Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1604: Ways to Kick-Start Fat Loss When You Hit a Plateau, Lifting Tips & Techniques When Suffering from Joint Pain, How to Correct Shoulder Imbalances & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. You guessed that this is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we did live questions. So people actually called in and told us their fitness problems, asked us questions, and we helped them solve some of their challenges. By the way, if you want to get on an episode live

Starting point is 00:00:30 to ask us questions, I have us coach you on air, email your question and your situation to live at minepumpmedia.com. Now, before we get to those live questions, we do an intro portion. Today's intro portion was 55 minutes long. This is where we talk about current events. We tell studies, we bring an intro portion. Today's intro portion was 55 minutes long. This is where we talk about current events. We tell studies, we bring up scientific studies.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Of course after that, we got to those live questions I was talking about. So here's what went down in today's episode. We open up by talking about Justin's workout. So Justin got his workout. Watch out everybody. He used up all the weights in the gym. It was really annoying.

Starting point is 00:01:03 Then we talked about scary movies. Apparently there's a movie on, I don't know, it was on Amazon or Netflix. Empty man. It gave Justin. No, it was on HBO Max and I don't recommend it. It is, you know. It gave him the Hebe Gb's.

Starting point is 00:01:17 Yeah, it was awful. He was on sleep last night. I brought up another cool series. It's a horror called Fear Street on Netflix. Not quite as disturbing, but a lot of fun. Then we talked about the series on YouTube, it's been around for a long time called Free to Choose with Milton Friedman, one of my favorites. Then we tell some stories about our kids in potty training, that's always fun. Then I brought up a study comparing exercise to counseling

Starting point is 00:01:40 on mental well-being. Believe it or not, one of them did better than the other, you'll have to listen to the episode to find out which one. Then I talked about a supplement called Acetyl-El-Karnitine to increase Androgen Receptor Density and Mental Well-being. By the way, the form of Acetyl-El-Karnitine that were used came from a company called Live On. They actually make products that your body in real world terms absorbs through this patented process. This company has some of the best delivery methods for products and compounds that your body needs, things like I said, I see the little carnitine, B complex glutathione, and much more.

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Starting point is 00:02:50 are starting to take all the ME Awards now, which is kind of interesting. I talked about how my brother, his skin is looking really good. I won't tell him because he's my brother, but we'll talk about it on air. Because he's been using the Juve regularly. Now Juve makes the best red light therapy products

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Starting point is 00:03:25 youthfulness and quality, and help with injuries and inflammation. And this is all back by Scientific Study. This is not me just talking about anecdote. There's scientific study that supports this. Go check them out and you'll actually get a discount head over to juv.com. That's j-o-o-v-v.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code mine pump and get $50 off your first purchase. Then we got to the question. So the first question was from Tom from New Jersey. This person has lost a lot of weight, but has now plateaued, wanted some advice.

Starting point is 00:03:57 The next question came from Craig. Craig also lost a ton of weight. Wants to start building more muscle and strength though, but is afraid of gaining any weight in the process. So we help him out. The third question was from Taylor. From Kansas, Taylor has some knots and tight areas in her upper back.

Starting point is 00:04:16 Wanted some advice on how to solve that issue. And the final question was from Chase from Kansas. Also lost a lot of weight and wanted to know how to continue his progress now that he's kind of plateaued. So pretty cool questions. Also, all months long, you get 50% off to very effective summer workout programs.

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Starting point is 00:05:03 I got one that's on the couch. You can catch it in your face. Did you catch Justin's workout this morning? I got one that's on fire. I got one that's on fire. I got, so I showed up about 20 minutes or so. Lately to workout today is my day in the life. So I was doing a prediction of what would be good. Oh, like before you came in. Yeah, yeah. So here's the, you know, I'm coming in.

Starting point is 00:05:19 I'm sure you're way off because we're not creatures that happen to come. Oh man, was I almost dead on. And honestly, I was disappointed Sal didn't have his headphones on that I missed on that. I forgot them today. Is that why? Oh, damn.

Starting point is 00:05:32 So what were your predictions? So I said, well you mean you watch it on the story. So I mean Andrew can post up so the viewers can see my exact predictions. But you know pretty spot on Sal. I said by this time I said Sal will be peeled down to his wife, Beater, probably walking around flexing or probably eating 30. Yeah, I said he'll be, probably have his generic big headphones on

Starting point is 00:05:55 that he'll be rocking. I said, and then Justin will probably be driving a sled. And then I said, Doug, who lives around the corner probably still won't be here. And I was right on all of it, except for your headphones. Well, Justin was actually swinging the clubs and then 10 minutes later he was pushing the slits. So it was pretty close. He was moving some weight this morning. You would have been accurate if I wouldn't have had to explain everything I was doing, which really annoys me. But you know what, it's fine because I definitely enjoyed doing that and having that sort of a thing that I was going to do.

Starting point is 00:06:34 Such the trainer knew. I was so annoyed I had to explain what I was doing. Dude, but I just want to, like when I work out, I just want to work out. Yeah, I get it. I'm razzling you, but 100% agree with you that. Isn't that something funny? That's your special time, dude. Right, there's only two special times you have.

Starting point is 00:06:48 One of them is a little bit of a cracker. And you spend, you know, coming to bedroom with me next, like, what were we doing here? We didn't know we explained what we did. We didn't know we explained what we did. We didn't know we explained what we did. We didn't know we explained what we did. We didn't know we explained what we did.

Starting point is 00:06:57 We didn't know we explained what we did. I remember this was actually one of the, the challenges always had when I was dating somebody and we would try and work out together and of course they want, you know, my expertise if that's what I do, you know, should I do this, should I do that? And I'm taking my headphones off, I'm having to explain every time,

Starting point is 00:07:09 and I would get so frustrated. But it's like, dude, that's your job, right? You do that all day long with tons of people for many years. I think that you start to, I don't know, you start with the word I'm looking for as far as, you hold your workouts as sacred. Totally. Oh, right.

Starting point is 00:07:30 And it's totally. This is my time where I don't gotta teach or I could just do what I wanna do and for whatever reasons I want, because that's the only thing to do, I was like, well, why did you do that? Why did you go over there from that one or why only this means said?

Starting point is 00:07:42 Well, especially since we're explaining things all day long now, like that's our life, which is great. I mean, even with to my kids, you know, when I get home too, I'm just like, everything is always me kind of like trying to explain what I'm doing. So that's just like, I just like to hyper focus and to just get in the zone and just kind of do the work. Yeah, that's a for 100%. That's my special time. Like don't talk to me, like, leave me alone.

Starting point is 00:08:03 I don't want to hear about chores, shit I did wrong. Like let me just do my shit and let me work out. But I'll tell you what happened this morning. So I come in before Justin, right? And I forgot my headphones, so annoying. I can't stand it when I do that, but I'm whatever. So I blew tooth up my phone to the speaker. And Justin and I will often listen to similar work out

Starting point is 00:08:23 when we're both working out hard, right? So it's like simple, Tara. I came in this straight death metal. So no, no, I had mine on. For future, I did tap you, man. You got a really popular music stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on, I need a little anger.

Starting point is 00:08:39 Good morning. Well hold on, first of all, first of all, we're gonna go science here. Studies show that music makes a big difference Thank you big difference in performance obviously it's different from person to person But it makes a huge difference in performance, but here's the here's the thing I was gonna say there's a levels to Evil music I had mine on and I thought he's gonna love this shit Well obviously Justin's coming in here to break things so he's listening and he's like I got to change the shit I'm like, yeah, I sort of showed my true colors a little bit today, which was a little vulnerable. I don't

Starting point is 00:09:12 typically do that. That's one of the funny things is I always, I'm always like, I can't play this on a speaker and have people listen to what I actually listen to when I work out because it's just not compatible. let's just say. So yeah, it was, and you were playing good music, no doubt, it was good music, but I had this intention of trying to do like one or two things that was like pressing it a bit for me and to be completely transparent.

Starting point is 00:09:38 I even like yesterday had to make sure I could still do it. It was so, it's like, I'm gonna go through the motion, you know, kind of prepping a little bit. And I'm like, oh man. I haven't really like pushed it in a bit. So I tried to push it a little bit. Definitely, I'm gonna feel tomorrow. I'm gonna see.

Starting point is 00:09:54 Yeah, he was overhead pressing big bertha. The big, what is it? 120 pound monster kettlebells. You can single arm press that? Yeah. Wow. He's a moose. What is that?

Starting point is 00:10:04 135 or 120? 120, 123, I think. Wow. Yeah, He's a moose. What is that 135 or what? I don't know, this is 120, 123, I think. Wow. Yeah, that's a, that's a monster. So yeah, he had to put on the scary. Like, like I said, there's a, that was the top. Like I was like, yeah, when I'm, when I'm feeling good, I can probably get like 90s

Starting point is 00:10:18 on the circus press, but if you hit 120 on that monster. Yeah. Dude, yeah, let's just, I can't wait to see what, like the mind pump meme guy does with my face. I have no idea what Yeah, let's just, I can't wait to see what the Mind Pump meme guy does with my face. I have no idea what my face is I was making. Is it working out? You know, like I'm sure it was just,

Starting point is 00:10:32 he's been on fire lately. What do you post there, I started laughing. Oh, the Mind Pump handshake. Oh, I know. And then somebody underneath it, I don't know if you guys saw it. Someone underneath it actually commented on who's each guy. You know, so you were the guy that's doing the,

Starting point is 00:10:47 you know, walking around to each one of us to hype us all up. Doug was the first guy. I was the second guy who you jumped into my lap. You know, then Justin was the last guy who got the last lap. That's a lot of people. I know, you gotta kinda like. You can't.

Starting point is 00:11:00 Yeah, that's funny. No, and you know, it's funny. When I'm doing my own thing, I have almost no regard to, I mean, some regard, but almost none to my own safety. Like, if I feel like I'm gonna lift something heavy, like, I'm gonna do it, I'm in the zone, but when I'm watching someone else,

Starting point is 00:11:16 I'm like safety guy, right? So I'm watching Justin hoist this big ass, heavy, full on iron kettlebell up to a shoulder, and I'm like, please God, don't let this be. Please don't break something. Yeah, don't let this be like a filmed injury. I said, it'll go viral. That's what I was thinking about yesterday.

Starting point is 00:11:32 I was like, oh God, don't go hurt yourself because we're trying to live up to what salsa. I mean, no lie, exactly. That sort of like, you know, gave me that extra incentive and I was a little bit concerned because last night I didn't get the greatest of sleep and I'll tell you why, because we watched. So somebody had recommended a movie to me

Starting point is 00:11:50 because of, I think they know that I'm in the cults and this sort of a thing that I'm like obsessed with. And I had no idea this genre existed. I mean, I'm sure you might, you know, you don't watch scary movies. I'm not gonna include you again. But it's cult horror. So it's like psychological terror that,

Starting point is 00:12:16 it was, this movie is called Empty Man. It was horrible. Oh, no, it was terrifying. Empty man? I wanna watch that. Oh, it was terrifying, dude. Oh, I love that. And not only that, so it was horrible because it was scary. It was a horror, it was terrifying. Empty man. I want to watch that. Oh, it was terrifying. Oh, I love that. And not only that,

Starting point is 00:12:26 so it was horrible because it was scary, or was it horrible because you was terrible to watch? No, because it's like twisted, it sounds like. Because it messes, it's one of those. This guy loves that stuff. It messes with your brain, you know, like the way that you think and stuff. It's like in the mouth of madness or like, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:40 horizon, like those always scared me more than, you know, the slasher movies or the jumpy movies, like no big deal, right? These like get into your brain and, you know, scramble everything, you like, yes, I don't like this. That's how I judge a scary movie. Do I feel a little bit,

Starting point is 00:12:59 like, do I feel different afterwards? In a bad way. So I feel bad afterwards, then I know this was a good one. I put Courtney in on this because I don't know if I can watch this by myself. I'm like watching it and she was so mad at me for making her watch this with me. They pulled out all the stops in this movie. It was just like children of the corn, like this whole, like all these cult members together would like, obviously, obviously turn, you know,

Starting point is 00:13:25 and look and then they're like close to you. And then, hey, look at Adam squeezing his water bottle like that. I was like, oh, you know what, I wanna know, what is the psychology behind what drives humans to want to watch? Do you like roller coasters? I do, but it's different. No, it's similar.

Starting point is 00:13:41 What I mean is it's the excitement of getting scared but being safe. That's all it is It's you're not yeah, he's not actually inside the church psychology on is at the psychology Doug of wanting to watch a scary movie Because I mean I get what happens to you as far as the Journal in Russian ride, but it doesn't in there. It's not like like a roller coaster You go over the hill and it's like and then it's over. Yeah, you watch a scary man up for a second. Wow, I've never done that on a rollercoaster. Sounds like you had a premature situation. So you do it and then it's like, oh man, that was awesome. And then it's over. Scary movies. Not true.

Starting point is 00:14:22 Ruin the whole night. No, not true. Hold night. Well, that's because you're a little scared to catch. But here's the thing. Let me ask you this. When you were younger and you were driving fast and stuff in your car, now looking back as an adult man, can you see some of the dangerous, like real dangerous shit you did?

Starting point is 00:14:39 Of course. But it was the excitement that you, you know, like, exhilarating. Yeah, like here's, by the way, don't do this. This is literally one of the stupidest possible things you could do, but I remember talking to Adam because him and I were very similar and how dumb we were with our cars when we were younger.

Starting point is 00:14:53 There was this game that I played with my friends, which is seriously, if my kid did this, I'll take his car away and he would not drive for years. We would drive on a dirt road with no, obviously no streetlights, and we'd turn off the headlights and then play chicken, who is the first person to yell to turn the headlights on. So you're literally driving in pitch black,

Starting point is 00:15:13 Adam, you did the same thing. Yeah, in the fog we used to race. Yeah, so yeah, and you would race people. Stupid, but what the psychological phenomena behind that is you're scared and terrified, but then you're safe. So scary movies emulate that. But you just have a different problem. I mean, that's an interesting theory that I can't completely agree with because I would

Starting point is 00:15:33 never do something like that or do that right before I want to go to bed. Yeah. That was the problem. Like when I did stuff like that, when I did this, the stupid way, are you in bed, I admit that was a little bit. Are you in bed like with the sheets up like looking around? No, I'm watching the movie, I'm watching the movie like this. You know what I'm saying? You know, or pretending like I need to do something on my shoe, you know what I'm like.

Starting point is 00:15:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna say something like that. I'm gonna do it. Yeah, well, too. I've watched a movie that did that to me a long time and I was doing that. And the only way I could get through it was to yell at it. You know, I'm like that guy. I'm like, no, what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:16:09 Why? Why would you do this? And I'm just like, oh, I'm gonna go get myself something. If you ever watch a movie like that, and you hear me start laughing, you know it's getting to me. Yes, because something will happen. I'll start laughing at it myself. Like, oh, they got me. This is messing with my head a little bit. My sister through it. And I'll start laughing. And what I'm laughing at is myself. Like, oh, they got me.

Starting point is 00:16:25 This is messing with my head a little bit. I like that. My sister loves it. My cans, I do not. I wouldn't do it every night. It's a once in a while thing where you push it that hard. But then there's other horror movies that are just fun and campy because I appreciate the genre so much.

Starting point is 00:16:38 So like watching horror movies from the 80s, like Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street. They're kind of campy, they're gruesome, but there's an art to them. On Netflix, there's this series that taps into that. That is really good, and it's new, and it's trending right now. It's Fear Street.

Starting point is 00:16:56 Have you guys seen it? Oh, I've seen the preview. I haven't watched that, but. So there's Fear Street, 1994. Okay, now I saw that. Is it based off of RL Steinseries? Oh, it is. Yes yes and they did a good job I read most of those so I'd be interested in watching so it's a really good job of that kind of campy

Starting point is 00:17:11 Gold school. Yeah, you actually get resolved No, okay, no, they I got no res dude. I want honestly like I don't recommend this movie So I I think you're gonna waste a lot of your time and you're gonna suffer through the nights Now now where you sober when you watch her do you have an edible or something? Yeah, it had an edible so that makes it worse totally intensify Yeah, you don't want to watch you don't want to do something that increases your paranoia And it was all like psychologically like I mean they're talking about like your brains itching right now. And I'm just like, no it's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:46 Yeah. I was like in this thing. I was like, how different are all you're watching that? I'm watching the NBA finals last night. What are you watching last night? I was watching Fear Street. So I watched Fear Street in 1994 than the next one. Doug, were you watching last night?

Starting point is 00:18:00 I didn't watch anything. No TV last night. None. Dirty movies. Yeah. That's what that means. I don't classify that. You can't go up to the screen. Didn't watch anything no TV last night none dirty movies Classify that you can't go up to the screen. Yeah, I wasn't watching anything That's not what your history says okay, no actually I did watch I watched that

Starting point is 00:18:22 Was it called born to choose? Oh? Free to choose no free man. Yeah, I was, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no his, you know, how he talks about economics, how to affect people and freedom. Highly recommend. It's a, it's an old series that was filmed. I believe in the 1970s, early 80s, but it's so relevant. And what's good about it is he makes predictions, or he talks about what will happen, if certain things happen. And those things did happen. And sure enough, his predictions came very true. So it stands this test of time. So there was a really good one. I went down the rabbit hole too on that dug of Milton Friedman. It's Sal was sending over stuff and so that's probably why Doug and I both were watching it. And I found this video of him and the title is Milton Friedman debates young Michael Moore. Yeah. You told me it's not Michael Moore. No, but it looks like it. But the I found the debate really compelling because the the person who who stood up to to challenge Milton Freeman I thought had a very interesting argument that at first or face value

Starting point is 00:19:36 I would actually kind of agree like he made it you talked about Ford they for did the Pinto is that correct you know for the Pinto. So Ford came out with the Ford Pinto, and I don't remember what year it was, but it came out with the Ford Pinto. And I guess that they did not put this piece in. It would have been in like, I guess it was like a $15 or $15 piece of plastic, like a plastic box that was supposed to be

Starting point is 00:20:02 between the bumper and the gas tank. And Ford opted not to do that. The reason why they opted not to do that because $15 times, I don't know how many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of vehicles would cost millions of dollars to put that in the vehicle and they were trying to keep it at a certain price point. And it was estimated that 200 people a year would potentially die from this, from this. And so when I hear that, I'm like, oh my God, they put a car out there that,

Starting point is 00:20:31 statistically speaking, that they would probably, they would know for sure that, oh, 1971-76. So 200 people would potentially die, and the case the kid was trying to make was that, you know, that government should make them do that for safety reasons. They should have to do that. And he goes into the, and I'm thinking, wow, man, that's not a bad case. I could get behind that. Obviously, like that's dangerous. But then the way he spun it and explained what the kid was trying to ask, because his response back to him is said, well, what if the park cost $2 million

Starting point is 00:21:07 to put in there? Like, well, it's not. It was $13, just $13. He goes, well, you're arguing the wrong points. It's about principle. And so, how much is the, is that life saving those lives? Value. What price would it not be worth it?

Starting point is 00:21:19 Exactly, what price is it worth it and not worth it at? And that's why he did the exaggeration of $2 million. And you could see the kid's kind of wheels spinning. not worth it at? And that's why he did the exaggeration of $2 million. And you could see the kids kind of wheels kind of spinning. And he goes, listen, that's the beauty of the free market is that you make the choice that, okay, I wanna buy this car, the Pinto, which was designed to be this cheap car that people could afford.

Starting point is 00:21:40 Correct. And with that, it's, it's, it's, we all know that you could buy some car, you could buy a Hummer, right? You can buy a Hummer for $100,000 that is literally a tank on wheels. And I guarantee that the same amount of people would not die from the same rear in accent

Starting point is 00:21:55 that would from a Pento, but then you also pay $100,000 instead of $10,000 or whatever the Pento. That choice goes to the consumer. It's the same reason like why do we sell junk food, which accounts for more deaths by far, than almost anything else, right? Why do we sell any product that could potentially be dangerous?

Starting point is 00:22:14 At the end of the day, the choice goes to the consumer to make these particular, you know, you know, there's always a risk. There's a competitor too, like you get like a Volvo or one of these other like type of, other type of vehicle manufacturers that are just specifically focused on that point is of safety. Right? That's going to appeal to a certain type of consumer versus another consumer that wants

Starting point is 00:22:37 all of the bells whistles, wants the high performance, knows that there's a lot of risk involved. Plus, this is a hypothetical argument. If you actually go back and look at cars that were actually made by the state, because there were a few, the Soviet Union and East Germany, they had. Joey, did the bug, right?

Starting point is 00:22:53 No, no, what would they do? Well, that became, of course, there were competitors and stuff like that. I'm talking about cars where the state actually said, here's the car. This is what you guys are gonna drive. We're taking care of it. And they were terrible. They were terrible, polluting, dangerous. This is what you guys are gonna drive. We're taking care of it. And they were terrible.

Starting point is 00:23:05 They were terrible polluting danger. Yeah, do you know the history of the Cadillac Converter? And so I was watching something. I went down a rabbit hole one day and actually heard some of that too, that there was like a lot of the car companies were actually fighting that. They knew that how much pollution that it was creating.

Starting point is 00:23:21 And then all they had to do was put a Cadillac Converter on there and they refused to do it. So there was a time when you didn't have to have that on there. Do you know the history of that? Oh, I don't know. Okay, you have to look. But here's a good example. I don't know if it's like this anymore,

Starting point is 00:23:33 but when I was a kid, so this is a bit of a, there's a bit of a monopoly when it comes to school buses, right? School bus company, there's a private company that makes a school bus, that signs a contract with public schools, and then they become the only provider of school buses now when I was a kid We knew wearing seat belts was safe. You had to wear seat belts always wear seat belts The one vehicle that I would be in that didn't even have seat belts was a school bus. Yeah, this was that's all filled with kids Kids and there's no seat belts whatsoever, right?

Starting point is 00:24:02 So in real life It's actually, I'm always typically much worse, but yeah, I appreciate the way he, you know, he presents some of that stuff. Speaking of kids, I have some kids stories for you. The first one is Max, I'll share. Last to last night watching the game,

Starting point is 00:24:18 and he's going, where he goes to these kind of leaps that he's going through or regressions, whatever you want to call it, he's extra attached to me. Like he's already, you guys see how he is with me and everything like that. And then when he is, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:32 going through a gross bird or teeth molars coming in or something like that, it's like just, as soon as I walk in the door, he's attached to me till he goes to bed. And he's now at the age and size of him or climbing on the bed. We now know how to open doors and stuff like that. So I can't get away.

Starting point is 00:24:46 The bathroom time is not even free time for me, right? And I don't know if it was on the podcaster. This was just, I don't know if I should remember when I shared just last week or the week before we left on vacation, the, you know, my embarrassing moment of not shaking enough before after I go into the bathroom. I don't know if that was on the podcaster. I don't know if it was on the podcaster.

Starting point is 00:25:03 I don't think so. You're referring to the post, the post-P dribble. Yeah. Every guy knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. I was right. If you're trying to say that's never happened,

Starting point is 00:25:11 do you piss off? You're not missing who came up with this arbitrary rule of you. It's like it like three times. Like any more as you plan to like get out of here. Every guy, every guy has pulled his drawers up at a baseball game or a hurry or something like that. And a lift comes in.

Starting point is 00:25:26 And realized, damn it! I should have shook two more times before, right? 100%. Anyway, we were talking about that the other day, right? Science. So that was fresh in my mind because we had just talked about that. This guy follows me into the bathroom, going to the bathroom,

Starting point is 00:25:39 can't get no peace and stuff like that. And it's like, I used to try and fight it and it yells and it bangs on the door, it makes me just just whatever, let it man. And so he's messing with me as I'm on the toilet and trying to climb on me. I was like, oh no, max this, that. But anyways, finish going the bathroom, I pull my drawers up and I'm like, oh, again. Right?

Starting point is 00:25:59 And it's like, but this is soaked. He was, he's drooling so bad right now. So when he was trying to climb on, he's drooling so bad right now. So when he was trying to climb, he's drooled into my underwear. It's so, my underwear was soaked and when I pulled it up, I thought I like- Yeah, I thought it was me, I'm like, how did that happen? You know, I'm sitting there for like five minutes, there's no way I didn't shake enough for getting out. You know what I'm saying? He has a mind of it's own.

Starting point is 00:26:19 Oh man, pull him up and my drawers were all soaking wet and then I realized that he was drooling in my underwear while I was doing that. So there's your first kid story. This is a great story to tell when they start to become embarrassed by dad. Like when you have their friends over and they're like, oh, it's my friend John. Oh, hey, what's up John?

Starting point is 00:26:38 Hey, let me tell you a story about the time. About myself. About my time, your friend there. Got my doorbell. I told this story on the podcast before about when a dog peed on my crotch. No. On your crotch.

Starting point is 00:26:50 I'm not on your dog peed on your shoe. I'm wearing your dog shit on your shoe. Well, that was a different. That's my dog I have right now. That's, you know, yeah, he's special. But, no, this was when I was a kid. And I was at my friend's house. And we actually were there with a bunch of adults.

Starting point is 00:27:04 It was like a party or something. I was at my friend's house and we actually were there with a bunch of adults. It was like a party or something. I was outside and the dog kept like sniffing my crotch and like I was like, get out of here. And it was like a golden retriever or something and we're out there just kind of playing. And all of a sudden the dog would not leave me alone. It just kept like going right for the crotch. So obviously it smelled something enticing. I don't know what was going on there. I wanted to like claim it or something.

Starting point is 00:27:26 Lists' leg up literally dry. Starts peeing on my crotch and I'm just like baffled by this. And I'm like, oh, and I'm like, and my friend was the only one that saw it. And she was like, oh my God, it started laughing. And I'm like pushing the dog off me. I'm all mad, I storm inside. And I'm like, oh my god, it started laughing and I'm like pushing the dog off me. I'm all mad, I storm inside. And, you know, I'm like, oh my god, the dog peed on me.

Starting point is 00:27:50 And everybody in there was, oh yeah. Sure, yeah. Nobody believed me. They're like, oh, this guy just peed himself and came up with this cover story. And the dog peed on him to this day. Well, I personally believe that. Yeah, I wouldn't do that co-puls, you know. Dude, it was, it's like, it's the most random thing that's ever.

Starting point is 00:28:08 It's like the people that go to the emergency room with something stuck up their butt. Oh, it's in the shower. Four batteries in the room. They're like, oh, I just think you fell. Meanwhile, it's like a shaved carrot. Yeah, oh, see, it's all the time shaved. I was thinking to shower while I was making a salad. It's so strange. You wouldn't even believe what happened.

Starting point is 00:28:24 What are the odds, right? So are you guys getting close to the potty training or what? Yeah, so that's what we're all we're going through. All kinds of big transition for him right now. So we're getting ready to put him in a Montessori. I know I think I'm a Montessori, right? Not Sari Montessori School. I don't know. I don't know. Sorry. Sorry. So you look into it and you are thinking about. Yeah, three days a week, he's gonna be in a Montessori school. You can start them at three days a week at a Montessori school.

Starting point is 00:28:50 If they're not potty trained, they'll actually assist and help that. So that's, and then once he is, then he can go full time there. So we're starting to do that with him. Oh, as an as I tell you, he's, you could tell we're real close to like starting a strings and word is together.

Starting point is 00:29:06 Like he's all these new sounds this week because he was hanging out with my two buddies kids who are a year and a half and a year older and they're talking. And they're at this such a cool, this is one of my favorite ages. When you start getting to that three to five range and they can say things and you can keep personality. Yeah, I just told you guys the other day how I taught my buddy's daughter, kosher. And she was in the was so my other buddy We were getting ready to leave to go to the lake and he was like screaming at his dad

Starting point is 00:29:31 You know cuz you and Justin was doing something in the house I don't know what he was doing and he's trying to get his attention and Justin was busy and he was starting to get really frustrated I want to cry and I don't her relax come here. I said listen. You ever want to get your dad's attention when you want to leave you yell regulators He looks at me all cut it weird. I said yes. Can you say that? Yeah, he tries to say it a couple times They can do regulate and so they started dad Regulators It just starts loud. We sick what's it? I said it gets his attention so it worked right so now he does it No, he does it all the time, right?

Starting point is 00:30:05 So my buddy sent me a video of him in the grocery store. Uncle Adam, I'm going, Ray you later. He's good. That's hilarious. That's a favorite agent. You know what's funny is when they start to, when they get at a diapers,

Starting point is 00:30:15 they're learning to go to the bathroom on their own, and then there's this transitionary period where they're on the toilet, they figured out how to poop, but they don't wipe yet. So then they go to the bathroom and they're like, duh, duh, and you to go in there and wipe. And I remember when my son first did this, for you go in there and you wipe for them, right, or whatever.

Starting point is 00:30:32 And then you teach them, okay, you got to try doing this on your own. Well anyway, the first time you did it, like I go to, you know, change them, or what? I'm like, oh my God, like there's poop in your, like, did you wipe? Like, how did you wipe? He's like, yeah, wipe, I wipe.

Starting point is 00:30:44 I said, okay, next time you go to the bathroom. Let me see how you wipe So you go to the bathroom or wipe and he was just wipe his cheek He would literally get it Ever would do the opposite I so it would take the entire role He would literally get it. Why big in the circle in this gig? I'd do it. Ever would do the opposite, right? So it would take the entire role. Just like, I told him to like face it.

Starting point is 00:31:11 And the little thing was done. And then just smash it all in there, right? And then it would just like particles were everywhere. So we're doing a method that starts Thursday, Katrina has started that. I don't remember, we didn't definitely, I know we didn't do this with my younger brother and sister when we were potty training them.

Starting point is 00:31:28 And I don't know what the name of it is, maybe one of you guys know, are familiar with it, but it's a three day thing, potty training three days. But the deal is like, you literally need three days of 100% by their side all day long because you keep them naked. We did that, yeah. So did you do that?

Starting point is 00:31:44 Yeah, so you keep them naked all day long. I'm gonna see if they gotta go boom. Yeah, and they're gonna make the first few times. They're gonna definitely... Just gonna camp out on a weekend and make it work. Yeah, try it. I'm gonna have, so I have those, I don't know if you guys regret my house potty pads.

Starting point is 00:31:58 You won't know, we're gonna lay this plastic, you can get it home depot, you can get this like clear, surround wrap. So we're gonna run it all over the carpet area and then we've got a lot of tile in the house and some of that and we're just gonna keep them on the lower floor and just make it for three days and then do some the cheerio you know yeah yeah yeah supposedly it's a it's a my buddy but both my buddies did it with their kids and said yeah after three they went from not at all even close potty train to full on potty train after three days. Wow, that's great.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Yeah, and of course there's some growing pains a little bit through different moments that they're scared or they're at a different place that you hurdles you'll have. But for the most part, like went on, went from not potty train at all to full blown. Now you guys using the, are you gonna use the regular toilet or are you gonna use like the... So both.

Starting point is 00:32:42 So we have, cause the thing about the little carry toilet the kid one is sometimes the kid then it only will use that right so then anywhere you go so they have these other things so we've just bought a bunch of stools to get up on the big boy toilet or whatever you want to call it yeah you know it's really embarrassing when you're with all adults or a business meeting and I go I I gotta go pee pee real quick, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go, did I just say that? I gotta go party. Yeah, it's a big old business meeting.

Starting point is 00:33:12 It's some of the, I gotta go pee pee real quick. Oh, my God, dude. No, so we're gonna get these little, you know, stools or whatever to get up on the toilet and then they have these inserts that sit on the toilet. Yeah, actually sit on the fall inside. Yeah, so he doesn't fall inside, right? So we have both of those.

Starting point is 00:33:27 And then we have two bathrooms on the lower level. And then we'll set that stuff up, surround, wrap, everything, whatever. And just for three days, keep them down there. So that's literally happening this week. So I'll be able to report back next week to see the success of it or not. Right now with the baby, we're doing this timer method

Starting point is 00:33:44 where we do a timer to help encourage patients. So like, okay, we're going to eat in two minutes and we'll do the timer and it's visual. And when he sees it, he'll watch it. And you know what he did yesterday, this little turkey, he's eight months old. We set the timer for him to eat because he gets too excited, he gets so antsy and anticipates eating and he wants to eat right away. We're trying to teach him patience, you gotta wait. So we're like, okay, in two minutes, we're gonna eat. So he's looking at it, looking at us, looking at it.

Starting point is 00:34:11 And he reaches over, I swear to God, he reaches over and turns the knob till it rings. And then he smiles, like, it's time to eat. Like, wow, he figured that out. He figured out how to make it go faster. So he's time to eat. It's interesting how quick they can actually start to learn even before they can speak themselves.

Starting point is 00:34:28 Like we had my Katrina was already concerned, right? We're at two years and Max really isn't speaking. Like he says daddy. And he wow, he has a few things he's starting to put. Not very many, like right now typically they say about now, he can even put two words together. And so he's kind of behind on that. And of course, like every parent, I'm sure that can relate is like, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:46 anything that your kid is not right on pace for you, instantly start freaking out and stuff like that. It's actually not that big of a deal. It's not, in fact, you know, Katrina spoke with a speech therapist and was asking a bunch of questions and he really understands. Like he's actually really smart. She's like, oh my God, he can tell the difference

Starting point is 00:35:05 between that color and that color, and you could tell him to go get this and hand you that. And he does all these, she's like, oh, he's gonna be just fine. He goes, she goes, just some kids are, they wait. And she goes, what it's gonna be like for your son, probably as it'll go from like you guys never hear me and they'll all of a sudden, it'll go real fast. Because he understands everything,

Starting point is 00:35:21 he just hasn't figured out how to do it. I have a friend's kid, was like that, took forever and then just tons of words. Yeah, yeah, it's not. He totally, I could tell him so many things. And he fully understands. You talked to him like he's, you know, a lot older. Yeah, so I think that's really interesting. So I wanted to bring up a recent study that came out

Starting point is 00:35:39 that was absolutely fascinating on exercise versus counseling or therapy for well, you you know well-being for mental health for anxiety that kind of stuff. Yeah, I read that seems steady. Okay, so they took they took a lot of women. I think it was like over a hundred women and they divided them into two groups and half of them they put them in like group therapy counseling. Then the other half just exercised on a consistent regular basis. Exercise outperformed counseling in terms of improving mental wellbeing. Over how long again? It was a 16 week course.

Starting point is 00:36:16 Over 16 so four months, over a four month period, exercise outperformed group therapy. Now if you had to unpack that, I mean, interesting. It's really, I mean, we kind of know this, but to see a study that actually says it outperforms therapy, I would be impressed if it was right. Yeah, which doesn't mean get rid of the therapy or like, you know, obviously that's an integral part of the whole thing, but like to just focus on your body

Starting point is 00:36:43 and physically, physically active and what the kind of response you get mentally from that was very. Right, this, this, by no means is this discredit? Yeah, no, in fact, I always say this is, it all it does is highlight how incredible, how powerful, uh, wait, what I want to hear from you guys is if you had to unpack it, like, what are the attributes that contribute to better well being that much, that a trained psychologist or therapist that has tremendous value in helping you through these work through these things actually doesn't outperform just somebody who

Starting point is 00:37:18 follows a weight training program for 16 weeks. Well, to be clear, a perfect scenario would be to do both. Right. And I've worked with lots of clients that have done both, and it's extremely effective and powerful. But here's why I think in this case, and I'm very careful to how I word this, because previous studies have shown

Starting point is 00:37:35 that for mild to moderate forms of depression, for example, which is the most common form of depression, that exercise is as good in the moderate length term and then probably better long term than antidepressants for helping with depression. Now why would that be? Well, okay, the obvious is the physical benefit, right? So your healthier, you feel better, hormones regulate, all these things affect your mood,

Starting point is 00:37:59 how you feel, your inflammation is lower, but there's a very strong mental effect as well because people don't realize this, but when you exercise and you do it consistently, especially if you do it for the right reasons, it's one of the best personal self-growth techniques you could ever go into. So people, when they think of personal growth, they think of like, oh, I'm going to sign up for course or I'm gonna go to one of those. I'm gonna learn a language. Yeah, one of those, you know, Robbins weekend. Tony Robbins weekend. But exercise does this very, very well because the process of exercising is you challenge yourself. You see that, oh, I need to practice something over and over to get good at it, the feeling of accomplishment, the feeling of overcoming obstacles, the accepting what you can't

Starting point is 00:38:44 do. That's a big one. Like I accept the fact that I can't run as fast as other people, like that's okay. Like you go through this whole process of long-term exercise and all these things are personal growth methods. And so that's what you get with exercise. It's not just about the physical health

Starting point is 00:39:02 that you get which plays a big role. It's all the things you learn through doing it, especially if you go into it the right way, right? If you're going into for the wrong reasons, it could do the opposite, but you go into it for the right reasons and you come out. It just proves to me how interconnected physical activity

Starting point is 00:39:19 is with cognitive activity. Totally. It also speaks to, I don't know if we did a whole episode on this or I know you went on a rant one time, just talked about all the other benefits, or I think we did it. We did it at some episode where it was like, all the unknown benefits of weight training,

Starting point is 00:39:33 or they're like, I forget what the title was, Doug probably looked it up, but that was literally it, was we went into all the things that you just wouldn't think about. Everybody knows gaining muscle, losing body fat, getting stronger, those are all the... Dude, that's why it's so effective because you go into it, not expecting personal growth.

Starting point is 00:39:50 You go into it and you go, I just want to get in better shape and then you stay consistent. Then what you get is like, oh, actually, what I got out of this, that's even more valuable, is I accept my genetic limitations. I can overcome obstacles. I know practice makes perfect and discipline is important. And the camaraderie you may get for work hard. It's objective too. Right? So you see progress objectively.

Starting point is 00:40:15 And you can see this actually happen versus sometimes it's hard to see that in other aspects of life. That's what I feel like the most you get out of is that you really start to figure out what you put in is what you get out, right? Or what you get out is what you put in. And think about a lesson that is what I mean. That's what I mean for life is like, because it's not easy.

Starting point is 00:40:33 And it's slow, it's a slow process, and it's hard, and you have disadvantage. And it's filled with failures and challenges. But, oh my God, when I stick this out and I stay consistent with it, I do feel the benefits. I do get some payback from it. It's incredibly empowering. So I would think, and when you talk about depression or mild depression, you got to think that's

Starting point is 00:40:54 got in one of the things that somebody in that state feels powerless and feels weak and incapable of doing things. And I think just going through a 16 week program has got to overcome those maybe. It may redirect a lot of the chatter in your mind too, and fueling that into physical pursuit. So it's like sometimes it allows you to kind of break that perpetual loop that you get stuck at. Look at this. This is a study that Doug just brought up showing that aside from the traditional real-life improvements you get from being healthy, after two months of regular exercise, the people in the study

Starting point is 00:41:30 also perform better on laboratory tests of self-control. So you learn so many skills, this pursuit of fitness that help you and is self-control a valuable lesson in modern society? I think that's the most important lesson because we're, we live in a society of so much abundance that you could literally go down so many dark paths of indulgence and pretty much anything you want. Food being the most common. Those problems, yeah revolver on indulgences.

Starting point is 00:41:58 We also talk about the feedback loop from like posture too. I mean, think about that. I mean, it's always really obvious to us when we, America, me to client and I could just tell the battle depression by how they walk up to me to see it. You could see it. Yeah, you could see the way they walk the way they hold their head the way their shoulders are slouched forward. Like, it's really, really obvious. And man, you get that person working out for 16 weeks. Yeah. Chest is up. Shoulders are back. Head is out. And that feedback, it just speaks to it. Speaking of feeling better and mental health, I gave you, I love that Adam does this by

Starting point is 00:42:30 the way. He never questions me. I just throw him a supplement. I just throw him a supplement. What did you do some of today? No, so it's a new sponsor that we're working with. Not a new one that we know of. In fact, I've been taking live-on supplements now for a long time.

Starting point is 00:42:44 They give us free stuff all the time, but now we're going to be working with them. And so I threw you a C-L L cardinete. Yeah, and a thousand milligrams of essential phospholipids. Yeah, so they put it together in a delivery system that really increases the absorption. They have lots of different products, glutathione, B complexes. It's like in its super concentrated form, I'm ever given this to me.

Starting point is 00:43:07 Oh yeah, it's just, it's like, it's like almost like they do it medically. Like this is, the delivery is very important. So anyway, acetyl-el-karnetin has been shown to improve mental states of well-being in older individuals. Now the reason why I take it is because el-karnetin, especially if you take it

Starting point is 00:43:24 in a form that's absorbed properly, improves or increases, I should say, angrogen receptor density. Okay, so what is that? The angrogen receptors are what testosterone attach to. If you have more of these receptors, your normal levels of testosterone now become much more effective. In fact, studies show that it's androgen receptor density, that better predicts how much muscle and strength you'll gain

Starting point is 00:43:48 not testosterone levels. Now, why would somebody like myself use their product? It's here's the thing, being truthfully, it tastes terrible. It really does. There's no flavoring. If people use this, all the people I know that use this product, which by the way,

Starting point is 00:44:02 I know quite a few people, they're all the nerdy science guys like yourself. But I know that swear by this product, because you see Elkharnitine in pre-workout mixes all the time and post-workout shake stuff all the time, yet I know that they are like the leaders, I know they're partnered up with some medical companies and stuff like that, that they're,

Starting point is 00:44:21 I know they're super reputable, but what is it about theirs that they can just say, we're not, our focus is not going to be on wrapping it with sugar and making it taste good and trying to oversell it. It's just all of the delivery. One of the big problems with taking anything orally is that you, let's say you take a thousand milligrams of something, you may only get 10% of it, right? Or sometimes less, you know, for example, in the case of magnesium, certain forms of magnesium is just at acts like a laxative. You're not going to get absorbed any bit. They have created a delivery system that has been shown medically to dramatically

Starting point is 00:44:55 improve absorption and utilization. So what you find when you take it, it's like an agel. Yeah. And these phospholipids actually improve the absorption of the acetyl-alconicine. So you'll get a higher amount of the total amount that's in the package. And I notice a difference. This is why you see me squirting these in my mouth more than other products.

Starting point is 00:45:15 That are the same. But yeah, it's an interesting effect on Androgen receptors. And now there's studies at show now that they compare men with different testosterone levels and they compare how they adapt to exercise. Like do they build more muscle? Because they have more testosterone than this guy over here. And they found the wasn't really a big difference.

Starting point is 00:45:34 But then they looked at Androgen receptor density. That's what predicted. That's what predicted the muscle growth. Now you were giving us a pair of these for a long time. It was well before we started even talking to them or working with them. And I don't remember what the two, you was a cop. I was giving you this and glutathione. Now, glutathione is got a strong flavor.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Very, very strong flavor. That's the one that you're like, oh my God, that's wrong. But glutathione. It's just like farts. Glutathione is such. Just wanna put it out there for the audience. This shit's the real deal, it's effective. And I know you will sell the science

Starting point is 00:46:03 on how amazing the product is all day long. But if you're somebody who's like, oh, I'm gonna try it, I bet it tastes healthy good. This is not magic spoon, this is not fucking bad, this is not something that's a taste, bubble gum flavored. Like, you were literally taking it because it's supposed to be the best of the best of this product.

Starting point is 00:46:16 Yes, so glutathione is a very, very strong antioxidant in the body, very good for the liver and the immune system. In fact, there's studies now that are being done on glutathione and COVID, and it's effect on getting people to see you. You want to get our freaking episode flagged out? No, no. There's studies, I said, and make a claim. Look up to studies yourself, so.

Starting point is 00:46:39 And here's the warning. Yeah, boom right there. Here's another cool study. They just did a study on theanine, the amino acid that I talk about, take with caffeine, and THC. So THC obviously being the active, you know, the cycle active effect.

Starting point is 00:46:55 Does it have a similar effect like with caffeine? No, what it does is it protects against the negatives of THC. So THC has some negative effects on the brain, especially if you take it consistently. And what you notice from that is like, worst short-term memory, word recall, taking thehyening with it seems to have a very powerful protective effect. Now, is that the same as or different mechanism as what happens when you do the one-to-one

Starting point is 00:47:18 ratio with CBD? Because I know we've talked about this before. CBD is different. It does it, it does it through different. So if you want the perfect storm, I would go theinean CBD, then THC altogether, and it should protect against those potential negative effects that THC can produce when you do it on a consistent basis. Yeah, you've already, because you've taught me that, and I did notice a difference of that,

Starting point is 00:47:37 by the way, when I use... You don't get the memory effects. Like if I go too much THC for too long, I notice I'm not a sharp. Especially on the podcast. What I would do is I would, I'd start it after I talk to you, for too long, I notice I'm not a sharp. Especially on the podcast. What I would do is I would, I started after talking to you, but as I would, I would buy cannabis that was a one-to-one ratio. And if I didn't have that, because many times I'll buy something that's very high THD,

Starting point is 00:47:54 low CBD, then I would just take CBD capsules or like, Ned product with it to try and kind of level it out. And I did notice a difference with that. So you're saying you could add this on top of that. Totally. Totally. I'm going to try it. I'm going to see what I noticed. But the study was actually pretty interesting. And I think this is going to be a big market because cannabis consumption is going as it's becoming legalized. It's going up through the roof. And I predict that you're going to see these products that are effective to be used in conjunction with cannabis to explode because of their use.

Starting point is 00:48:28 Speaking of your predictions, it seems that I'm gonna pump your tires again on this topic. We've talked about this and I've already admitted that you were right or more right, I think, than I was in this situation. That was the streaming. So I saw an article come out about Netflix and Grammys and they, I don't know if you guys knew this or not,

Starting point is 00:48:49 they were like dominating the Grammys. Like Grammys or Emmys? Oh, I don't know. Grammys for music, Emmys is for like TV. Obviously that's it. Yeah, obviously that's it. And then there's three Oscars. So terrible.

Starting point is 00:49:01 Right, hold another camera. One of those, those wards. Doug's all into it, so he knows. I know, all over me on that, that is not great. Who's gonna get it? Yeah, so they were dominating that. I don't know how many, I think for like the last three years, they had like, they were like,

Starting point is 00:49:14 mopping up on all the awards or whatever. And that is now flipped to like a 60, 40 split. And it's because HBO Max and Apple and like all these other streaming services now that it's really starting to push their content. Netflix was so far ahead, they were kind of dominating that space. And it is starting to shape up as a very olicart

Starting point is 00:49:34 and maybe there will be room for several of these competitors to live amongst each other and that you won't see one or two of them gobble up all the small groups. There's enough people consuming enough content where you can do very well, you know, catering to a particular. It's funny. We were when we were in Kauai, I had forgot at one point we were driving, we had a rental car, and I forgot my attachment, you know, the, each, whatever attachment for my phone into the car. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:03 So I had to listen to the radio. So we're listening to the radio. And commercials come on, right? And I haven't listened to the radio in a long time. There's like five minutes of commercials. And the commercials are these generic companies. They're trying to blast out. They don't really know who they're targeting.

Starting point is 00:50:18 They know that they have pop music. So they know that a certain kind of person, listen. Now, the commercials, first of all, on streaming services, first of all, shorter. I don't, you know, you never watch five minutes of commercials on YouTube, but they're very targeted. So even though they're shorter,

Starting point is 00:50:34 they're much more effective because they're so specific and targeted. So this is what's gonna end up happening. You're gonna have so many more choices already we do, but you're gonna have even more choices for content and movies and streaming Because now they can really narrow down who they're talking to To speak to that Doug. Did you I know you are listening to Mark Randolph that will never work podcast

Starting point is 00:50:55 Yes, are you current on all of them? Did you listen all of them? I've probably listened to half of them Did you listen to the one about the the guy who has a business that he works with all the biggest gaming One of the one about the guy who has a business that he works with all the biggest gaming companies in the world and they are working on engineering the psychology of the player that they give them that feedback. So they have been able to figure out this is this guy's business, brilliant like business for these reasons for advertising reasons in the future. So that is they are able to really, I guess cattle or categorize it.

Starting point is 00:51:26 I don't know how you know. Profile. Profile somebody by their gaming behaviors and habits. Does a guy in Call of Duty go and hide for three hours and not get in the middle of the action? Does a guy choose a sniper weapon all the time over like a hand pistol? Yeah. And like, what does that say about that person?

Starting point is 00:51:46 Right, so they can engineer it to kind of cater to these. So they can then give the feedback to someone like Epic Games and say, oh, 30% of your gamers are this type of a profile. And then you can now match it with advertising. Like, oh, these people that hide away and do these things will like the, how, for crazy is that? That's how specific, I mean, I know like to your point,

Starting point is 00:52:09 when I watch YouTube now, I'll get caught sometimes watching a commercial, because that first 15-second hook is something that I'm interested in, and I was just like, oh, that was compelling, I'm just gonna let it roll, and I'll let watch it come. Yeah, because they know your profile. Yeah, they know the stuff that I'm into. So they can advertise less and you get a free service,

Starting point is 00:52:29 but it's more effective for them. It's a win, win, win for everybody. Yeah, and so they're moving this way, gaming on another level, and I've been able to break down the psychology of the gamer who's playing the game. Speaking of awesome products, we were gonna mention another one of our sponsors.

Starting point is 00:52:43 You know, my brother has been using the Juve Lite now for a little while and he's been very, very consistent and I could clearly see. Now, he's my brother, so it's like, am I going to tell him? You saw a little bit of like haired pro. So he was using it on his head for a while and he's getting some hair. He's the one in the family. Between the two of us, he's most likely to go completely bald here in the next five years or whatever. But he was using his head, definitely worked, definitely was regrowing hair.

Starting point is 00:53:10 Now he's been using it on his face, and I've been seeing him in pictures because we talk through text or we'll do FaceTime. He just had a baby right now, so we do a lot of FaceTime. And it's my brother, so I don't know how your relationship is with your brother, but sometimes I want to tell him that and your skin looks good, but I'm like, that's my brother, so I don't know how your relationship is with your brother, but sometimes I wanna tell him, I don't know how, and your skin looks good, but I'm like, that's my brother, I'm fucking.

Starting point is 00:53:29 But dude, I've been looking, and so I told him, I'm like, are you using a filter? I do, right, this is mine. Are you using a filter on your face? He goes, no, why? I'm like, never mind. Because literally, I can see in his face, his skin is looking.

Starting point is 00:53:41 Oh, thank you. You're beautiful. Yeah, it's looking, so I asked him, have you been using, because I gave him one, I had an extra one, I gave him one. Have you been using, dude. Yeah, it's looking. So I asked him, have you been using, because I gave him one. I had an extra one. Have you been using the Juve light on your face a lot? And he goes, oh yeah, every morning.

Starting point is 00:53:50 So he's a stockbroker. So he'll wake up early in the morning. Yeah. And he'll check his charts. And he's got graphs. And also, it's funny. Looks like the matrix when he sends me stuff. He's like, dude, check this out.

Starting point is 00:54:00 Like, can you explain it to me? I don't know what this says. But anyway, when he's checking him, he has the lights on. One on his head, one on his face. And he does everything in the morning. Now, I don't know what this says. But anyway, when he's checking him, he has the lights on, one on his head, one on his face, and he does everything a morning. No, I don't know, this is a stupid question, but can that actually reset your circadian rhythm?

Starting point is 00:54:12 Like, let's say you're somebody like him who gets up really early, goes straight to the computer and doesn't go outside. I don't know if it's a good question. Is that a, you know, obviously nothing beats going outside and being in the sun, but if it was, is that the, like how we talk about organifying green juice.

Starting point is 00:54:26 Nothing beats going and getting the real thing and eating your vegetables, okay, and we'll always stand by that. But if you're not eating them or you don't have access or you're on the go, then supplementing with something like that is the next ideal situation. Would you say that would be the same thing with the juice light?

Starting point is 00:54:42 If I'm not gonna get out in the sun, I didn't get out in the sun? I Didn't get out early this morning. I'm right on my computer working right away. It's like as a supplement Yeah, that's a good question. I would assume so but I don't know the answer to that That's a really really good question. Yeah, anyway it works indoors for a long time I would assume that it's pretty beneficial for them. I would too I was looking for salad Maybe have him me I know I didn't set them up and tell them but ahead of time But I would like to know the science behind that

Starting point is 00:55:06 because I know that a lot of the benefits from the Juve light come from the same benefits that you get from Sal. Well, I tell you what, if there's a study that exists, it's on the Juve website and maybe Andrew. They're really good about it. Yeah, maybe Andrew can, if it's there, it'll pop up here on the video.

Starting point is 00:55:19 Oh, okay, yeah, that's a really good idea. Hey, you want to know a funny brother story? Yeah. So Justin's brother comes into the studio, you sure?. Oh, yeah. He asks if I'm sad. What? And, uh, because you and I look so much. Yeah. So there's been 1600 episodes. Yeah. And his brother hasn't listened to a single one. Not even one. Wow. He was in here doing work with you and your brother has never listened to one episode. Yes, no idea who we are. He always like compliment, but the thing is he's very congratulatory and he loves to see that we're successful. Fuck that. But I just feel like you did. I just feel like

Starting point is 00:56:02 I just feel like I would be so different. you're seeing when I, when I think of my ad. I just feel like I would be so different. Like my sister, especially the level that we've reached. I'm sorry, but like I get it if it's like. There's a competitive element, 100%. Listen, my brother-in-law, okay. My brother-in-law is on episode like 23 of his podcast. My best friend has got a golf one, okay, that he does.

Starting point is 00:56:24 I've listened to almost all of my brother-in-law's, at least half, if not three-quarters of my buddies. I guarantee my day is as well. You'd be a great brother. I'm not the free to pump. My point is that I'm just curious, and I want to see them do well, and I also want to be able to give them any feedback

Starting point is 00:56:43 I can to help them. It's more common in Justin's scenario than not. Oh, I know. There's a saying that I have in front of the same one. Yeah, what's the saying? It's the part that you never be a prophet in your own town or whatever. Yeah, it's hard to be a prophet in your own town. It's like for my life to listen, you know?

Starting point is 00:56:58 It's just one of those things, dude. Like, it doesn't even bother me because that's how it's always been with everything I've done. Like, I just, I'm just, I put my head down and I'm going my own direction so it's like you they're either like pay attention you know it really doesn't bother me well now I do understand the people which I do have some friends that did this and I did I do not blame them because I I send over to you guys last night was on YouTube I was going down the rabbit hole. And for some reason, our very first episode with Craig Capurso at my mother-in-law's house, right? The very, very first one we ever recorded.

Starting point is 00:57:31 I couldn't watch it. Popped up and I clicked on it, watched like the first eight minutes of it. And oh my God, is it bad? I mean, it is. And so if you listened to us early on and you're a family friend or what do I thought, and you're just,

Starting point is 00:57:46 because I've had people telling me, yeah, I've heard some, yeah, it's a good job, but not really my thing, totally get that. Yeah, totally get the way we were presenting information early on, but I will say we were, I mean, you came out, so that episode one, you were talking about the decline of testosterone in our society. I introduced to the audience BFR training, it was before anyone had done it yet and you

Starting point is 00:58:11 asked me about it and we broke down BFR training. So I guess there are a little bit of nuggets that had been in there that people found value of. We sucked less than other people. So at the time, seven years ago, I was like years ago, I don't know why my default when I get nervous, but it's boobies and sexual things. I mean, that, I mean, wild. I mean, we were trying to figure it out. I don't think I could have a lot of douchey on there. Now people are going to try and find that.

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Starting point is 00:59:19 All you have to do is pay for shipping. All right, enjoy the rest of this podcast. Our first color is Tom from New Jersey. Hey, what's up, Tom? How can we help you? Hey, what's going on guys? Long short of it is, I lost over 150 pounds naturally. Oh, much from, we're 20, down to the 270s.

Starting point is 00:59:40 Captain Off over the course of three years was with a trainer till about six months ago. Got certified myself really trying to take it. So the next level, big thing is I've kind of plateaued and I just really want to keep burning, really want to put on some more masks. It's tough with the own natural thing, but I want to see what you guys say about possibly

Starting point is 01:00:03 taking to the next level, what program I can maybe go on and you know any You know hurdles you can help me face. Yeah, I have some questions around the cut, okay? So yeah, well first off. I want to commend you on your right Adam haircut. That's a really nice Is he got my look or why he's got your look? I must be handsome as fuck did super handsome I must be handsome as fuck did super handsome. Yeah, so I know I saw yeah the questions I have um I kind of want to know how you got got down right so did you do it mostly through weight training and diet? Did you utilize a lot of cardio? Do you have any idea of where your calorie intake is right now? And then the last question is have you been on a a bulk yet? Okay. It started through light training. I was an athlete back in high school and out into my mid 20s until I changed. So I had knowledge of that. I incorporated light training again.

Starting point is 01:00:59 I have a very bad knee, I have no cartilage left and it's so I'm working with that. But it was mainly strength training and very light cardio. And then it got to the point where I built up from two days a week to three days a week to five to six days a week. I have not gone on a bulk. I'm very scared about putting anything on. It's trying to break that mindset. And the other thing is, I'm probably around 3400 calories right now. Okay. So this is a, we're in a good place, bro. 3400 calories, loss that much weight, and you haven't done a bulk yet. And that is going to be this conversation from I'm sure from all three guys are going to be the same thing as far as the mindset is going to be the greatest hurdle that we have right now, which is I totally get this because I've trained many clients in a very, very similar situation

Starting point is 01:01:54 as yourself. And I do know that when you're coming from there, just the thought of, oh my God, what if I start a bulk and I see the scale go up 10 pounds or even 15 pounds or anywhere in that direction after all this hard work? But the truth is, that's why you've plateaued right now. You've plateaued right now because your body is completely adapted to the chloric intake, the activity level that you're doing,

Starting point is 01:02:17 your best bet right now is let's put on some muscle. And in order to put on more muscle than you already have done and already have right now, we are going to require increasing our color it can take. And then putting you on a muscle building type of program, I would recommend based off of listening to what you're kind of doing right now, probably a MAPSANabolic type of program. That's the direction I would go. I'm curious to hear what the guys would say, but I'm sure they're going to say the same thing as far as the mental hurdle. Yeah, I agree 100%.

Starting point is 01:02:46 I think Maps and Obolic, three foundational workouts a week, because you have the choice in the program to do two or three. I would say do three. Make sure you do your three trigger sessions on all of your off days. And then what I would add to that, because you mentioned your knee, is I would add Maps Prime Pro to work on hip, ankle, and foot mobility to take pressure off the knee. And, you know, be very careful with your lower body exercises.

Starting point is 01:03:12 Don't worry so much about going real heavy work within your limits, but you're in a really good position. I mean, based off of what you said, you lost weight the right way. And your 3,400 calories, you're still at a pretty good number. Your crushing. Now a bulk is just a little bit more than that. You don't got to do an aggressive bulk.

Starting point is 01:03:31 In fact, I would recommend against doing an aggressive bulk, especially if in the past, your tendency was to overeat. So all you got, I would add, you know, 300 calories, 400 calories max, probably around 300. And just let your body slowly get stronger, build some muscle. Do it over the course of the MAP's endabolic program, about three months, keep it kind of slow.

Starting point is 01:03:53 You can throw in a couple days, a week of low calories if you feel like you're putting on body fat, and then just do that, and then see where you're at at the end of that. I think you'd be surprised how much body fat you may actually lose, believe it or not, by following that kind of a protocol. Cool. I also, we definitely want to, even though our ultimate goal probably is to get down to a lower body fat percentage

Starting point is 01:04:17 and continue to lean out, like you said, the goal though now mentally is to focus on strength. Because what you don't wanna do is to take the advice we said and you go, okay, guys, I said add three, four hundred calories a day. I'm doing that. And the thing you're watching is the scale. You gotta just, that means you go to the side for a while.

Starting point is 01:04:36 Don't worry about your exact weight right now. Eat like, eat like Sal saying, three to four hundred extra calories a day, follow maps and a ball three times a week. That doesn't mean that the other, because you've worked up to five to six days a week of activity, still go for a walk, still do things. And you get the trigger sessions.

Starting point is 01:04:54 Yeah, trigger sessions and still do like a mobility from prime process. That's what I would do to supplement maybe the all the activity that you're doing currently now since we're telling you to reduce to three days a week of full body routine, but still do activity, still work on mobility, still do the trigger sessions on the off day. So you're still going to be moving around doing stuff five to six days a week, just training.

Starting point is 01:05:13 And then the mentality is around building strength. So let that be your guide on, am I doing a good job? Am I getting stronger week over week following the program and then we can assess at the end of it where you're at? Yeah, strength is your gauge. How like to energy level. So like I don't know how energetic you feel right now at what 3,400 calories, but you know, that's something to really pay attention to and just gradually increase that based on like how that's going to help aid you in your, you know, performance

Starting point is 01:05:43 in the gym, very much of a strength focus there in the gym. Yeah, you know, Tom, I had a client, you remind me a lot of a person I trained a long time ago, and we did exactly what we're talking about, and he was really good at following what I said to a T, and it was remarkable. At the end of three months, we gained muscle, and actually his body fat percentage went down a little bit. Now, I think what happened is his body fat total weight didn't change, but because he gained lean body mass

Starting point is 01:06:12 this overall body fat weight became a smaller percentage of his body weight, if that makes any sense. So we actually saw his muscle go up and his body fat percentage go down. Then when we went to start to cut, it was like his body responded again. There's this theory, I remember Jason Phillips and I talked about this on a previous old podcast where we think, and other people have talked about this, where the central nervous

Starting point is 01:06:35 system kind of has this memory of how you lived before, what you did before. So it's a little bit more resistant to It's a little bit more resistant to getting lean or getting yourself to where you wanna go. So you kinda have to let your body know it's okay. A surplus, a calorie surplus in your situation, especially when you're sending the signal to build, may do that. And it may take a few months,

Starting point is 01:06:57 but I think you'll be happy with the results. Do you have maps and a ball like a maps prime probe, by the way? No, no, I was waiting to see what you guys would say before I made any moves. Okay, cool Well, we're gonna give them to you. So you got those Yeah, so you start off with what we're giving you right now That should take care of you for the next three months if we don't touch bases between now and then The ideal order for someone like you is maps and a ballic Maps performance then maps aesthetic we wrote them in that order to help first build the metabolism,

Starting point is 01:07:27 build a strength base, then move into kind of performance based stuff, and then eventually into aesthetic. So if you do not make contact with any of us between now in the end of three months, that would be the next progression for you. But I would love to hear back from you. I'd love to hear how you're doing after a month or two and stay strong.

Starting point is 01:07:44 It's gonna be the mental game. It's gonna be everything for you. I'd love to hear how you're doing after a month or two and stay strong. It's going to be the mental game. It's going to be everything for you. Yeah. Figure out your rituals in terms of like protecting that ankle to or that knee. Excuse me. Work on ankle, work on the hips and really dial that in. It's going to help a lot. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:08:00 If I could just say to you guys real quick, I appreciate everything you guys do. And especially the other day on one of your podcasts, talk about sales, awesome video, awesome, by the way. Thank you. You guys, something that I must respect and appreciate is people like me, who are trying to find where they fit in the fitness industry in the fitness world,

Starting point is 01:08:20 by you guys, not just selling your bodies and stuff, to push stuff and letting the you know, the information speak, it really makes it comfortable for people like me in that situation to come on here and talk to you guys about it. So I really appreciate that. I love that you guys do everything the way you do it. So thank you. Hey, you're a feedback means a lot. Appreciate it. Thank you Tom. Thank you guys. No problem. You know, I had a, I had a trainer years ago that I recruited from footlocker So you know they sell shoes right I was at the mall and this dude is selling me shoes and he's super charismatic

Starting point is 01:08:52 Super personable and we started talking asked me what I did. I said oh, I managed to gym, you know down the street And he says oh, you know, I've been working out now for a while I lost a hundred pounds now He probably still needed to lose 30 or 40 pounds, but he'd lost 100 pounds, very similar story to this guy. And I said, you want to, you want to get into fitness? I think you'd make a great trainer. You just got to get certified. Anyway, he ended up working for me, became a trainer and actually did very well because he'd gone through the journey recently. People connected with him and he made an excellent trainer. I was somebody very similar, and they just become this evangelist of fitness,

Starting point is 01:09:28 and it's just like they did very well in the business. This is one of my favorite clients to help, because you literally change this person's life. Somebody who's been walking around at four bills plus for a good amount of their life, right? Should it's not like this happened overnight for him. And you drop, you know, 150, 200 pounds down on this person and get them excited about the fitness and how and when they do it the right way like this, right?

Starting point is 01:09:58 He didn't do obsessive amount to cardio and cut down to 1500 calories. He's in a pretty healthy calorie and he should be a little bit higher. Just so the audience is listening, I think he's 270, right? So 270 person who's lifting training five days a week easily could be around 4,500 calories in a good place. So he's got plenty of room to still go up and still be in I think a really good place. And that's the goal for me if he's a long-term client, as I would say, okay, we're gonna go in and out of this bulking and then back to cutting

Starting point is 01:10:29 and back to bulking until I can move you up to about 45, 4700 calories. That would be the kind of the goal, would be to run a bulk for a while, increase those calories, then I'd reduce for a little while, then go back to a bulk. And the ultimate goal is building strength. I don't actually give a shit

Starting point is 01:10:45 if the scale doesn't move right now. Like if we hover right around that 270, yeah, I would like to hover right around that 270, give her take a few pounds, and actually get him up to eating 4500 calories, because then if I go, okay, now we're at 4500 calories, we've maintained 270 pounds. What I know for sure has happened

Starting point is 01:11:03 is there's been a nice even exchange. You've probably added five to 10 pounds of muscle, lost five to 10 pounds of fat. So you're a leaner, stronger, better faster metabolism, version of yourself. Now let's go down to your 3500 and watch what happens. Yep. And melt off your body.

Starting point is 01:11:19 Yes. Our next caller is Craig from California. Hey, what's up Craig? How can we help you? Hey gentlemen, how are you guys? It's great to hear you. Good. Over 20 years, I'm 48, over 20 years ago, I lost over 100 pounds through running, lifting weights, and eating correctly.

Starting point is 01:11:38 And then that eating correctly kind of turned more into orthorexia eating powder and then I'll still suffer from body dysmorphia. Now that I'm 48 I kind of want to focus on getting bigger and stronger. Obviously I have a six-year-old daughter and I need to discourage your suitors by having some size on me. Yeah, go flare that chest. And I'd like to look like Sal and a wife Peter too, but I know that's impossible. So nobody can attend that. But the two things that hold me back, when I lived to have you, my joints start to hurt. And then my mind will just not let me eat enough calories to put on size.

Starting point is 01:12:19 So how would you guys go about attacking those situations? Are you currently following any of Amats programs right now? No, I had aesthetics just because I was more into aesthetics. I was thinking about getting strong, but I just haven't got around a point that trigger yet. What you're asking is a really, really good question. This is quite common, not specifically what you're saying, but it's quite common for people to fear going in one direction or another. The person that was always skinny,

Starting point is 01:12:52 at one point, may fear trying to get leaner, and then vice versa, the person that dealt with maybe being overweight, having trouble with trying to bulk or build muscle. Ortheraxia, by the way, or orthorexic type eating for the listener is this obsession with healthy eating. So it's a dysfunctional form of eating, but rather than restricting calories too much like you would find with maybe anorexia or reverse anorexia,

Starting point is 01:13:16 which is always stuffing yourself. Extremely prevalent in the bodybuilding. Yes, it's like everything has to be super healthy, structured, imperfectly. And it can cause a lot of stress, and it can make eating a chore or stress on the person's psyche. And it is quite common. So here's how I always tackle this with clients is I take the focus entirely off of aesthetics.

Starting point is 01:13:40 I take the focus entirely off of the scale. So what I would say to you is I would take your scale and I would throw it in the closet or throw it away or put it in the garage, don't weigh yourself at all. Also, don't flex in the mirror or study your body in the mirror. It's okay to look at yourself, of course. But try to avoid analyzing yourself in your body and the way it looks.

Starting point is 01:14:03 First off, the way you perceive yourself can be a total lie. As evidenced by the times that I'm sure you've looked at pictures of yourself and said, wow, it looked pretty good. But I remember at the time I felt like I looked really bad. This happens to a lot of us. So I would avoid those things and focus entirely on performance, strength, stamina, mobility. Now the second party question was the joint pain. When I left heavy, my joint starter, you can create more tension

Starting point is 01:14:30 without adding weight on the body. So going heavy doesn't necessarily mean adding weight to the bar. It could mean slowing down. It could mean creating more intrinsic tension on the body. You know, I could, if I want to just push heavy weight, for example, and let's say I'm doing a, I don't know, an incline dumbbell press, I might grab the, I might grab the 100 pound dumbbells and try to push them hard. I could get an equally challenging workout with 50 pound dumbbells.

Starting point is 01:15:00 If I try to make it harder myself intrinsically by slowing down, focusing on the squeeze, and literally the goal is, can I make this 50 pounds feel like a hundred pounds? That's what I would recommend to someone like you, rather than trying to add weight to the bar, can you make the weight feel heavier with your technique, form, and concentration? Your body doesn't really know the difference. Well, let's get into programming. I mean, what are you leaning towards with him? I mean, the first thing that comes in mind for me

Starting point is 01:15:30 would be anabolic. I asked a question too about if you were following one currently, because typically when my joints start talking to me, it's what I'm actually not doing what I should be doing. It's when I'm overreaching and I'm like lifting too heavy, too often, and my programming is off, which even as long as we've been doing this,

Starting point is 01:15:50 all of us have still a tendency to do this. So I think following something like a map, Santa Ballock protocol is ideal for you. The other program I could be convinced potentially by the other two guys to go is Powerlift. I actually think because- That's kind of the direction I was going, but it's all brings up a point about joint pain.

Starting point is 01:16:10 And that was something where I was like, okay, well maybe even performance, because it's not specifically focused on hypertrophy and really like physique type driven aesthetic focus. So it's very much driven towards, you know, your movement quality, your overall strength, and too it's addressing joint issues too,

Starting point is 01:16:33 at the same time with the mobility sessions. So I think, in my opinion, I think, you know, Maps Performance is probably, you know, the best because it's gonna really shake up your mentality that you've been driving so far. I agree 100%. Maps performance is perfect.

Starting point is 01:16:46 And focus again on can I make, if you're in a phase where it's low reps, like phase one and maps performance, for example, rather than as you feel yourself getting stronger, thinking, oh, I think I can add 10 pounds, think to yourself, can I make the same reps I did last week feel harder? And how do I do that?

Starting point is 01:17:05 Slower, squeeze, concentrate, technique, intrinsic tension. I mean, these are, I tell you what, if you look at some of the most successful body builders, uh, who've been training for decades, who can beat into their 40s and 50s, what they do is that exactly. They'll use a lightweight, but you, but when you watch them work out, like Vince Taylor was really good at this. It was, can I make this weight feel heavier? And it's a very effective technique,

Starting point is 01:17:33 especially for longevity. It really reduces the risk of injury. And again, your muscles really don't know the difference. Your body doesn't know the difference if you do it that way. So if we're gonna lean towards performance, which I can totally get behind it for the reasons that you guys said, I'm actually even going to, I know we normally would say,

Starting point is 01:17:49 a focus on strength and get, I'm actually going to say I wouldn't even worry too much about more weight going on the bar because there's still a technique. Yeah, technique, that, that, that program, you're going to do exercises you've probably never done before. And instead of when you feel like you're getting better at it, trying to add weight, I would be very meticulous about my movements. Can I make this even prettier? There's some stability components in there,

Starting point is 01:18:14 there's some multi-planar movements in there. So when I'm doing these exercises that are challenging and unique that I've never done them before, and just because I've got a couple of weeks in and I start doing them better, I wouldn't start adding load. I would actually just slow down like the guys said and try and make my form perfect.

Starting point is 01:18:32 I think that with the mobility sessions in between the foundational days are gonna benefit you tremendously. Now one more thing Craig, just to help you out with this because I know when you do this process and you say, okay, I'm not gonna weigh myself, I'm not gonna flex in the mirror. When can I flex in the mirror?

Starting point is 01:18:48 When can I check on my aesthetic performance? Do this, right? Follow my app's performance, it'll give you about three months. In that three month period, do what I'm talking about. At the end of three months, I want you to go ahead and flex, look in the mirror, weigh yourself, and I would bet you money that you'll be surprised

Starting point is 01:19:05 at the changes in your aesthetics at the end of three months, but the three-month period at least allow you to break those chains a little bit. Now when it comes to diet, it's the same thing. I want you to judge your diet based on your performance. So oh, I'm not feeling as strong, Maybe I need more carbohydrates. Maybe I need more proteins or I'm feeling kind of sluggish. Maybe I over ate or my digestion's a little off. So look at your food rather than from an aesthetic standpoint. Look at it from a performance standpoint.

Starting point is 01:19:36 Oh, I could tell a difference in my performance based on how I ate yesterday or my digestion feels real good or my inflammation. You know, you talk about your joints, this, you know, you would encourage you to eat more well-cooked leafy greens, olive oil, fish. You could also try supplementing with something called bromelain.

Starting point is 01:19:55 You could take this a few times a day on an empty stomach. It's a very good natural anti-inflammatory. So give that a shot, but take it on an empty stomach. Otherwise, if you take it with food, it acts more like a digestive enzyme. But give it three months, and even this might make it even more fun for you. Take a picture before of yourself, front, side, back, and then don't do shit in terms of looking at yourself and taking pictures until the end of three months where all you did

Starting point is 01:20:18 was focus on performance. And I think it'll be pretty surprised. It's a nice byproduct. By the way, do you have maps performance? No, I don't. Okay, gonna stand we'll send that over to you Oh, man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. A thousand times. Thank you No problem, man. Good luck with that So keep us posted take it can I take a second to thank you guys? Of course

Starting point is 01:20:38 Okay, so we lost our daughter Seven years ago and then my wife was battling cancer and I found you guys in like 2016 and honestly going back and listening to every I've listened to every single episode. That's not how I've heard really I've listened to every single episode because I just needed a distraction from life and your guys this banter and wit was so so helpful and getting through a tough time. So and you guys ruined every other podcast for me, but I can't listen to them now, because you guys are so good. But I just wanna thank you guys for everything

Starting point is 01:21:09 you've done for just me in general. Hey man, God bless you. I appreciate that. I'm glad we could, you could find value in our podcast. What a huge compliment man, thank you. Thank you. No, thank you guys, I appreciate it. All right, brother.

Starting point is 01:21:22 God, bro, today's gonna give me all the teary-eyed and emotional today. Jesus, man. I know,, bro, today's gonna give me all the teary-eyed and emotional today. Jesus, man. I know, you know, it's all got me a bit. I tell you what, fitness, of course, it's a tool like anything, so it can be abused, but when it's used the right way because it's such a personal growth and present,

Starting point is 01:21:39 you know, method of being present, it really can be an effective tool during challenging times. Not that it's a cure for anything, of course. But boy, does it, can it be very useful? So I appreciate him saying that. I mean, I think the reasons why we do what we do is to really help people in real way. So. Well, these are the people that, and you know, God, it gets me all emotional talking about

Starting point is 01:22:03 these back-to-back questions here that we we got because this is who I really feel like we were thinking about when we thought about this podcast right when we looked at the landscape on social media and in podcasting, you know, a lot of a lot of fitness people were talking to other fitness people or other people that were like them. And there was this huge majority of normalized people that have shit that happens in their life. And you know, the fitness goes to hell for a while because other major things happen and they are just trying to get back to feeling good. And those were the clients that I remember training and helping and the conversation is so different than what I see all over the place.

Starting point is 01:22:46 It's not this shit about breaking down the latest study on what modalities better or macro counting or the latest and greatest tool. That's a little irrelevant. Yeah, it's all irrelevant. And these are the people, man, you help these people out in its life changing. So, man, what a cool person to talk, both these back-to-back that we just had have been phenomenal. And talk a little bit about the orthorexia that he mentioned.

Starting point is 01:23:15 Like, this is really, really common in the bodybuilding space. Super prevalent. Yeah, I didn't know that until I got into it as heavy as I did with the competing and man It's these people that a lot of the That we idolize and that are on magazine covers and we look up to and aspire to be like Many people have no idea that you know because they're sitting at this in the place of these two people right over a hundred pounds Overweight feel terrible so that and they look at this

Starting point is 01:23:46 Perfect body and this guy's got a great hair and it's, you know, he loves to exercise every day. And they think they got it all together and what they don't realize is they're broken as fuck too. They're hell of broken. But just because they look good on the outside, they're missing out on a lot of life because they can't go fucking two hours without checking

Starting point is 01:24:07 themselves in the mirror or weighing their food or figuring out what the next meal is. That's a lot of fun. Yeah, 100%. That's a front. And we've seen that and that's been our biggest motivation is to really just reconnect with people and show them that there's a way to do this in a healthy manner and you can still attain a lot of really impressive, you know, goals that you set yourself out towards,

Starting point is 01:24:29 but doing it in a healthy way is everything. Our next caller is Taylor from Kansas. Hi Taylor, how can we help you? Yeah, so I guess in a nutshell, I have been lifting for a while now, have run several of your guys' programs. And I'm getting a lot of like upper back pain, like knots in between my shoulder blades.

Starting point is 01:24:53 And so from what I've heard you guys say, I feel like that's some movement pattern issues. So really my question is, like, do you think I should run prime and try to work on like priming before I work out and get those move and patterns better while I'm working out or should I run prime pro and like correct forward shoulder or whatever it might be that's causing those knots. The answer to that is yes.

Starting point is 01:25:21 So in other words, do both. That will be your best bet. I would also go light on your pressing exercises overhead pressing forward pressing. And I would even go light on your pull down and rowing movement. So in other words, focus really, really heavily on technique, perfect form while you're doing the priming while you're doing the correctional exercise. It looks like there's a bit of maybe some overcompensation or movement pattern issues and so these muscles are just tight because they're protecting. You know oftentimes when we have muscles that are really tight, what it is, it's

Starting point is 01:25:58 really a signal from the body because the body's trying to protect something. So it feels unstable or maybe an instability under that. Yeah, so it's just, these muscles are just kind of constantly flexing a little bit in order to protect a potential issue. So in order for them to go away, you're gonna have to correct that issue. Now in between, I would recommend either massage

Starting point is 01:26:19 or foam rolling of those areas because pressure on tight areas will temporarily get them to relax. It's not a permanent fix, but in combination with what I just said, it's a really, really good combination. Taylor, is it on one side more than the other on your back or is it right down the middle or on both sides? Where do you feel it mostly? Yeah, mostly on my left side, like under that left shoulder blade. Okay, so what's common when it's on one side or the other like that And maybe you can video yourself while you're doing some movements like bench pressing or rowing when you are and and see if you that left side Is the shoulders rolling forward or you're getting kind of like a like a

Starting point is 01:27:00 Yeah, elevating where it'll kind of come up a little bit more than the right side and and or roll forward. That might be what's causing that in balance back there. And then I believe I believe Kelly star at did a really good video on a lacrosse ball like release before you get into lifting when you have this. Have you seen that before Justin? It takes I think and maybe Andrew can do a clip of this or maybe we can shoot it ourselves. But he takes like two lacrosse balls, tapes them together, and then he puts them right back there, and then you kind of, you take your arm all the way above your head. Similar movement is like what you would be doing for like your wall circles that you teach

Starting point is 01:27:38 Justin, like that. You get your circles with pressure. Yeah, so you get in scapular kind of, you of, it's moving abducting, it's elevating all while being the lacrosse balls were pushing. Yeah, the function of your scapula too. So you want to kind of take it, you want to elevate it, you want to retract it, you want to depress it, and then you want to bring it forward too.

Starting point is 01:27:57 So just like getting it to articulate through all those different movements, it's going to help a lot. So you can identify kind of where there may be some dysfunction. Another, and a good way to test when you're getting good at that is, and Justin, I keep leaning on you for the mobility stuff to remind me the name. Just so good.

Starting point is 01:28:14 What is that where someone does a dead hang, and then you do that with your scapula circles? That's hanging scapula circles. Is that what it's called? Do we have that? Is that in the program or no? I don't think it is in the program. No, but we've shot videos.

Starting point is 01:28:25 Yeah, you might want to do that with a lap pull down bar because it can be really hard for someone to free tough. Yeah, no, so that's me. I'm what I'm explaining to her. That should be your goal. Oh, right. Yeah, so it's a team that, yeah, if you can obtain that. So, and again, maybe I can have Andy

Starting point is 01:28:39 and put a lot of work on Andrew today. Maybe he can find a clip of that and or maybe Justin could do that. But he's, I don't even think I could do that. Even just starting by hanging on a bar too, and then really trying to just connect and sort of like depress those shoulders and then come back up.

Starting point is 01:28:53 And so you get a little bit of like retraction and depression, just focusing just on that to get kind of contraction there and response out of your shoulder blades, I think is a good start. So Taylor, if you don't have prime and prime pearl, we'll will send those to you and so here's what you're gonna do okay You're gonna you're gonna prime before your workouts your workouts are gonna be your workouts are gonna be lighter And you're gonna just be focusing on perfect form and then on the days in between

Starting point is 01:29:21 You're gonna use prime pro to work on work on your shoulder blade and the thoracic area. So you'll pick like two or three movements and do 10 minutes, two or three times a day on the off days, and then give yourself some time. In my experience, dysfunction dealing with the scapula can take, it can be hard to correct because you can't see it. It's hard to look at the scapula Obviously why you're working it but be patient when it'll it'll happen if you're consistent Would you got I mean I see that she has almost all the other programs

Starting point is 01:29:52 I'm leaning towards performance is that where you guys would drive her right now Oh, yeah, I'm asked for for minutes with prime and prime pro be great. It would be a good combo That's my favorite Excellent. Yeah, you look like you work out too. I can see it from where I'm sitting over here. So good job selling our programs there. It is billboard. Awesome. Thank you, Taylor. Thank you guys so much. No problem. Have a good one. You too. You know, it's funny. And I didn't want to say this to us on with discourager. The hardest imbalances I've ever had to correct in clients have to do with the shoulder blades.

Starting point is 01:30:28 Oh yeah. It's like the hardest most, because you can't see it. It's behind you. Yeah, it just sort of has a mind of its own. It feels like, because you can't really connect to it sometime. Yeah, people just don't have a connection to it anyway. Like, wings, scapular winging.

Starting point is 01:30:41 Oh, try to correct that. Do you think that's because it's an area of your body that there isn't a lot of movement and range of motion? There's a lot of movement as far as how often it does, but as far as the distance it travels. Like, most other joints, you can take it through a full range of motion. When you're talking about moving the scapula,

Starting point is 01:30:56 it's more aware of what's going on because you can see the limbs. Yeah, like I can move my leg, my ankle, and my shoulder, I can see what I'm doing, but like try to abduct, depress, elevate, and my shoulder, I can see what I'm doing, but try to abduct, depress, elevate, roll forward, just capula. Well, this is also what, remember the debate we went back and forth not that long ago about? That's bread. Yes.

Starting point is 01:31:14 Yeah, that's why it's so hard, because people don't know how to, that's what you're doing when you do a last bread. Yeah, now I like maps performance for super common though that you see this. That's why I asked her if it was on left or right. This was an area for me a lot of times I would roll forward on one side the side that I you know right with and I eat with because everything's forward on that side more than I would get those knots back there. I also would another thing you can tell for the men that are listening that may suffer from this also is it's really easy for you to tell a discrepancy and that may suffer from this also, is it's really

Starting point is 01:31:45 easy for you to tell a discrepancy and left or right of your peck. So normally one side of the chest will develop more because when you're doing like a bench press, that bad side will roll forward and it gets more shoulder and tricep versus working the peck and you'll have this kind of imbalance chest. So if you're somebody who's listening and you have an imbalance on your chest of that, meaning one side's bigger than the other, many times this is part of the reason why. Our next color is Chase from Kansas. Chase, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, so I found you guys recently. I started lifting again after a long

Starting point is 01:32:18 hiatus since high school joined for the fitness. They for the entertainment. So I appreciate all you guys do. I was an athlete in high school. I played rugby, they for the entertainment. So I appreciate all you guys do. I was an athlete in high school. I played rugby year round, played football, ended up hurting my knees, my senior year kind of kicked me off the athlete stuff. I met a girl in college. We had a kid.

Starting point is 01:32:39 I put on a whole lot of sympathy weight during that time. And then I kind of just accepted that I was fat. Um, about two months ago, when I started lifting again, I stepped on the scale. I was about three, 45. I'm now down to three oh seven. Um, as of this week, but my question is I've heard a lot that it's impossible to build muscle really when you're in a cut. Um, I was just curious how that works with being obese. I'm eating about 2,000 calories a day, aiming for about 200 grams of protein. I just want to do the best that I can

Starting point is 01:33:10 to make sure that once I lose all the weight that I have a strong body underneath. Yeah, no, no, great question because you're right. You will hear that a lot that while you're dropping, it's impossible to gain muscle. Now, you're also going to love listening to this episode because I think this is beginning themed right now. We have two questions before you, very, very similar

Starting point is 01:33:30 and I know that advice is going to sound very similar. Yeah, now, here's the deal. There's definitely exceptions to that. Now, here's the exceptions when people first start working out. That's the biggest one. Like, when I get a new client or somebody who just kind of started working out and they start out, and they start to burn body fat while building muscle, when it starts to get really hard,

Starting point is 01:33:51 is if you've been building for a while, and you're hitting that kind of, you know, you're starting to tap up to that limit of how much muscle you can build, and then you're trying to cut, well, in that point, then it becomes very difficult. But if you're just kind of getting the ball rolling and you're really starting to get into resistance training,

Starting point is 01:34:08 you can definitely build muscle while you burn body fat. Now, here's what I would recommend to you, somebody who's eating only 2,000 calories a day, who's already lost weight, got a bolt. I would go on a very slow or light bulk. I would bump your calories by maybe 300 calories and I would focus on getting stronger and building muscle And I would do that for a good two or three months and here's what you'll probably find at the end of that

Starting point is 01:34:32 What you'll find is that you did build some muscle and some strength and you'll probably simultaneously Burn some body fat and then of course here's the bonus. You'll end up with a faster metabolism 2,000 calories for a guy your size is very low. I'd like to see your calories well over 3,000 before you really try to burn the rest of that body fat off. And the biggest challenge here is going to be the mental challenge. It's going to be, you know, oh my god, my goal is to lean out, lose weight, and these guys are telling me to add calories to my flight.

Starting point is 01:35:06 So do not let the scale fuck with your head. I mean, normally the advice we give it, throw the scale away or put it away for months, focus on building strength, focus on the movement and the exercises and the program, but do not get hung up on the scale. And it's, and you're're gonna probably see it potentially go up a couple of times. That's okay though. I mean, as long as we kind of hover around closely

Starting point is 01:35:33 to the weight where you're at right now, and obviously if I saw you adding 10 pounds a week, I would need to adjust something, but that's not gonna happen from a 300 calorie surplus. Not even a 500 calorie surplus a day is gonna put on a ton of weight on you. And in a perfect world, you actually kind of hover around the weight that you are, but you see yourself getting stronger in the gym and you're able to maintain that calorie intake without really

Starting point is 01:35:58 going up. So if you are hanging around the same weight, but yet eating three to four hundred more calories every day, then I know good things are happening. I know that your body is actually starting to build muscle and it may be potentially losing body fat at the same time. And so we are putting you in a much better position. Now, Sal recommended to do that for a couple of months and cut. I may run like a three to four week calorie surplus

Starting point is 01:36:24 and then a couple of days in the deficit and then go back to you know three weeks or so in a surplus then do a two to three day calorie deficit and so breaking up the bulk every couple weeks for a few reasons just for sanity kind of reset a little bit see how you feel see what happens with energy strength, but I would do that over the course of a program and then kind of get back with us and let us know where you're going. Are you following any maps programs right now?

Starting point is 01:36:55 So I've, I'm not, I've looked at anabolic to build weight right now. I'm running 531. I was kind of trying to make sure I stuck with it this time because I've tried multiple times in the past, but Annabalex, kind of the one I was looking at, what would you guys recommend there? Matt Sennabalek, I would do Matt Sennabalek. Do three, so pick the option

Starting point is 01:37:15 where you do three foundational workouts a week, and then do the trigger sessions. I cannot stress enough how effective the trigger sessions are as a turbo special deal with the calorie surplus absolutely and you so you're gonna do two or three of those a day on the off days with bands You're just trying to get a pump. It's low intensity and do that consistently so three month program So it'll be perfect for what we're talking about and if you don't have an absentee ball, we'll send that right over to you Awesome. I appreciate that guys. No problem.. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, thank you guys. Definitely a theme shaping up today.

Starting point is 01:37:49 Yeah. Whether that was intentional by Jerry or not, but great, great questions. Interesting too. Everyone's kind of a little bit different place that they're at, but all very similar advice, you know. Yeah. Like he's all the way down to 2000 calories. Like, well, I know, I was wanted to get into that, but it didn't get a chance. But in terms of being able to find maintenance, and just like, obviously, like, the goal is to lose weight. So a lot of times, like, you know, clients will just keep going and keep, like, kind of scaling it down,

Starting point is 01:38:17 bringing those calories down. But did we ever stop, right? Do we ever stop and find where that sort of meets, where you're at in terms of like body weight and what you're doing in the gym and kind of find that. So then you can sort of scale up like your 300 increments or you know kind of gradually bring that surplus back. For people that are in this place, I want to make this clear and this I think every time I've said this I get pushed back or I get people go what? But you wrap your your brain around this when if we were trained or I get people go, what? But you wrap your brain around this.

Starting point is 01:38:46 When if we were trained, if I was coaching you and training you, and 30 days go by, and situation one with you is, we've lost 10 pounds after those 30 days. That's situation one. Situation two is you've gained two pounds of weight, but you're eating four or 500 more calories a day. As a coach, I want situation two. I'm actually disappointed in you situation one, which sounds absurd for somebody who has tons of weight. They want to lose. Totally counter. Totally counter. And the

Starting point is 01:39:18 opposite of what most clients would think, they would think, oh, 10 pounds I lost this month, we're doing great. No, if we're at 2000 calories and you're dropping like that still, my goal is to get your metabolism built up right now. Because if we want to lose this weight and keep it off forever, I know that a guy this size is not going to be able to eat 2000 calories for the rest of his life. It's just not sustainable. And so we need to get that, not only do we need to address that first, but it's also going to make this whole process easier if we can get the metabolism up by increasing the calories. That's right. And building muscle, it's going to be way easier

Starting point is 01:39:54 to lose that total goal. But you have to first switch the mentality to that. 100%. Look, we do not have a weight loss problem. That's not the issue. Millions of people lose weight every single year. That's not the problem. The problem is sustainability. Keep in the weight off. There's like a 90% plus fail rate with that. So if you don't think sustainability,

Starting point is 01:40:18 you're giving yourself 90% plus percent odds of failing. So you have to approach this from a sustainability mindset. And when you do it in a sustainable way, your success rate goes through the roof. So unless you're looking to lose weight and gain it back and then some and end up with a slower metabolism, you got to do it the right way. And that's the way that we're explaining right now. Look, if you like mind pump, if you like our information, you got to head over to mind pump free.com. We have so many free guides that can help you develop your body, burn body fat, and develop sustainable habits to give you a sustainable, good looking, awesome, healthy physique.

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