Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1614: How to Add & Keep Muscle Mass, the Truth About Bioelectrical Impedance Body Fat Measurements, Training Post-Pregnancy & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: August 7, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions via Zoom.  Defining and breaking down sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, aka ‘the pump’. (4:23) Sal’s obsession with supplements. (11:54) The controversy surrounding flight attendants’ duct-taping an unruly airline passenger to his seat. (14:21) When ‘spittle’ happens. (19:53) Mind Pump Recommends, Fantastic Fungi and Heist on Netflix. (22:02) The Fall collection from Vuori has arrived! (31:17) Rhianna is officially a billionaire! (34:46) Joovv, providing you a competitive edge. (38:24) The high school football update with Justin. (43:44) Mind Pump Shout Outs. (54:01) #Quah question #1 – What program would you recommend to maintain consistency and performance? (55:34) #Quah question #2 – After getting an unfavorable body fat test, should I switch up my programming and diet? (1:05:26) #Quah question #3 – How would I design a program combining MAPS Anabolic and the NO BS 6-Pack Ab formula? (1:19:50) #Quah question #4 – I am due in November and as a police officer, what program would you recommend post-pregnancy? (1:34:13) Related Links/Products Mentioned August Promotion: MAPS Strong and MAPS Powerlift 50% off!  **Promo code “AUGUSTSPECIAL” at checkout** Mind Pump’s Occlusion Training Guide Airline passenger duct-taped to seat after groping and punching flight attendants Fantastic Fungi | Netflix Heist | Netflix Official Site Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Rihanna Is Officially a Billionaire and the Richest Female Musician Mind Pump #1252: Confessions Of A Sports Agent Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Joovv is Giving 49ers Players an 'Advantage' in Their Recovery Joovv is the Official Light Therapy Partner of the San Francisco 49ers Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Sexy Athlete Bundle | MAPS Fitness Products MAPS Fitness Anabolic | Muscle Adaptation Programming System MAPS Fitness Starter Bundle - Mind Pump Media No BS 6-Pack Abs | MAPS Fitness Products - Mind Pump Media The Most Overlooked Muscle Building Principle – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Fitness Performance | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Why The Scale Is Not Always The Best Way To Measure Progress MAPS Starter | MAPS Fitness Products - Mind Pump Media Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Stan “Rhino” Efferding – CSCS (@stanefferding)  Instagram Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Wynn Silberman (@wynnsstagram)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, special episode today. Shout out to our intern Olivia. It's her birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday! So in today's episode, we answered live questions asked by listeners just like you. So they actually called in, right?

So if you want to do this, email your question to live at mindpumpmedia.com. Now the way we open the episode is with an intro portion. This is where we talk about current events. We bring up scientific studies. We mention our sponsors. Today's intro was 52 minutes long. After that, we got to the questions. So we start out by talking about

circle plasmic hypertrophy. So this is building muscle without actually building muscle fibers. It works, ladies and gentlemen, it actually works. Plasm. Then I talked about how I did a mistake with pre-workout supplements because that's what I do. I overdo it every single time. Then we talked about the passenger on the airline

that got duct taped because he deserved it. That's what you get, buddy. Yeah. Then I talked about Spiddle. That's that annoying thing that gets in people's quarters of their mouths and it's pretty weird. You just educated me today. Then Justin brought up a great show you should watch

under the influence of cannabis called Fantastic Fun Guy. Good times. I mean, you know. Then Adda brought up another show on Netflix called The Heist. Oh, by the way, the Twiance series on Netflix, so good check that out as well. I know, I brought that up very impressively. I'll recommend that.

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and get $50 off your first purchase. Go Niners! And then Justin gives us an update on the football team that he is coaching use the code MindPump and get $50 off your first purchase. Go Niners! And then Justin gives us an update on the football team that he is coaching those lucky kids. Then we got to the questions. Oh, right, lucky. So the first one was from Alec from California.

He is a surfer, works out all the time, eats a really good diet, wants to gain some muscle, but his body has a hard time building muscle, so wanted some advice. The next question was from ADIARA from Florida. She's getting stronger, she's feeling better, everything is doing great, except she did one of those body fat tests at the local gym that the trainer put her on and they told her she got fatter. Find out why she should tell that trainer to go F themselves.

Next question was from Lex from Georgia. This person was an athlete in the past, is working out quite a bit now. Once I know what program to do from there. So they're starting out with the, what's called the starter bundle, getting great results. Where do I go from there?

So this is a good question for those of you that want to know what order you should follow our programs. The final question was from Catherine from Virginia. She is a police officer, hell yeah, also pregnant, working out like crazy, wants to know what she should do postpartum so she can get back to her job, kicking bad guys in the butt. She's a bad ass lady. Also all month long, two great muscle building and strength building programs,

actually two of our best muscle building programs are 50% off. So, maps strong and maps power lift, both half off. Go check them out or just go sign up at mapsfitinusproducts.com. Just use the code August Special with no space for that discount. Dude, that was thinking about you the other day, Justin.

Woo, okay. Again, like how? No, no, no, no, no. You Dude, I was thinking about you the other day, Justin. Whoa, okay. Again, like how? No, no, no, no. You know what I was doing? Well, cow thoughts. So I was doing a workout to try to induce circle plasma hypertrophy, which we'll talk about here in a second.

We have talked about this in a while. For my lower body. Do your brain really operate and work like that? Like that's what it's being said. I need to induce circle plasma hypertrophy today. Like is that how it sounds? It does, but the voice, I can't get a pump today. The voice in my head isn't sound.

That's what mine says. I'm gonna get a fucking pump today. That's what goes on in my head. It's aggressive, but you're just, I'm gonna get a circle plasma, I put my foot on it. The voice is wrong. The words are correct, but the voice is wrong.

No, so I was, I, I, The mouth of my mitochondria. I want it, yeah, I wanted to train for circle plasma hypertrophy, yes, known as the pump. So anyway, I'm doing higher rep leg stuff, which I really do because I hate, and I'm getting this really intense leg pump.

Here's why I thought about it, Justin. Okay. I, in between sets, I like to walk around. I made the mistake in the past of sitting in between sets of high rep leg stuff, which is terrible, and get up and forget about it. So I'm walking around and I could feel,

because I have a pump, right? I could feel my cakes shake. Yeah, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, making earthquakes and all that. This is what Justin feels like all the time. All day. All day long. Yeah.

So here's what I wanna talk about. So a lot of people don't know this about, so sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, actually pulled up a definition. So when you get the pump, that's called transient sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, meaning it's this temporary growth of the muscle because blood fills the muscle.

But is water included in that water? Yeah, of course, well, big percentage of blood is water too. But you can actually build muscle without building muscle fibers through what is known as sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. So sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is an increase in the volume of the sarculima and or sarcoplasm. Now here's the important part,

accompanied by an increase in the volume of mitochondria, sarcoplasmic reticulum, T2-beals, and or sarcoplasmic enzyme or substrate content. In other words, all the stuff that makes up your muscle size besides muscle fibers that are also important. These are also important things that are involved in the function of your muscle, the performance of your muscle, they're involved in the building of your muscle.

You can actually increase the amount of these things by training and utilizing the pump. This is why bodybuilders for a long time have loved and noticed that the pump be a far like an exaggerator. Well, that's it. I was just gonna say that's the research that supports YBFR. Absolutely.

This is so beneficial, because you're obviously not breaking down like you would if you're heavy loading a barbell squad or doing something like that, but you are getting a massive pump from it. Yeah, and if you think about it, you know, if you were to look at all the things that make up your muscle size,

your muscle fibers are actually not the majority. It's the circle plasm, it's all the other stuff that makes up the size of your muscles. So in terms of, and it also helps performance, that's a key I wanna make, and that just looks, but if you wanna make your muscles look bigger, rounder, fuller, training for the pump, going through this way in maps programs, we always have, or typically we'll

have some kind of a pump phase in there. It's a part of developing the muscle. Yeah, but it actually, so if someone always trains this way, now I feel like I fell in this category for a really long time. If you always trained this way. And one of the critiques I have on this is it seems to be most beneficial when I'm drinking lots of fluid and eating lots of calories and then getting pumped up in the gym. But then if I'm not doing those things, I deflate down to this same old size that I felt like I was trapped in forever. It wasn't until I started to train heavy and lift.

Did I actually feel like the gains that I got from that, were maybe not as pronounced as like a pump would be, but they stuck with me. Does that make sense? Totally. When I started lifting heavy and training in low rep range and really loading strength training, right? And I'd see gains on my arms or something, my tricep.

Like, even when I wasn't working out, even when I was in pumped, I was like, oh, I could see definition, I can notice a difference from that. Now, when I was before that, I was training for the pump all the time, chasing that and supersetting and high reps all the time. And bad, when I was in the gym, I felt amazing. I looked at myself and I was all aired up, when I was in the gym, I felt amazing.

I looked at myself and I was all aired up, but then about an hour later, I deflate back down and then I felt like I didn't even look, I don't even look like I trained that. So you know what's funny is I read an article recently that Arnold actually contributed to, and he talked about how he would always incorporate in his offseason a powerlifting cycle.

So a lot of people don't know this, but Arnold competed and trained as a powerlifter before he competed as a bodybuilder. In fact, he had some European records at the time. Pretty strong guy. I think his max bench press at the time was 505 or 550, which back then was still a lot of weight, but back then was a ton of weight, right?

And what he said was he noticed that when you train this way, he would get a much denser look to his body. And I've heard other people, other bodybuilders talk about that, but the heavy training gives him this kind of granite hard dense look, whereas training for the pump gives you more of that bubbly kind of round look or whatever. So both, right? They're both really important. I 100% agree and subscribe to that. And I think that people that want to knock it, or it's the same thing like when you hear

Eastern medicine and the stuff that we used to explain sounded a little woo-woo because we didn't have the right verbiage around it, or we hadn't put together a lot of the studies to support exactly what we're trying to convey. So I think bodybuilders like him have been trying to express it or explain it. I've personally experienced it.

I don't know how to explain it. Like, I don't know how to tell somebody exactly what's happening. It makes sense to me that if you train for the cycloplasmic hypertrophy all the time that you train the ability for the body to hold more fluid in the muscle build. Now from, yeah, functional perspective.

Like that in terms of having more muscle endurance and being able to provide, you know, more b terms of having more muscle endurance and being able to provide more bouts of work, that could be something to consider in terms of sarcoplasmic. Oh yeah, there's a cell-volumizing effect that also stimulates muscle protein synthesis to building a muscle. Crateen actually does this to some extent, because Crateen volumizes of muscle. Creating actually does this to some extent, because creating volumeizes it. Causes your muscles to hold a little bit more fluid, that actually sends them a small muscle building signal.

They all contribute to each other. So they're all important to train in, but it's just interesting. Like I said, as I was training, I could feel, you know, by the way, you know, it was a good example. This is, I know, this is not a study, because it's only one person. But like, stand efforting, right?

Stand efforting power lifter turn body builder and he had to train in the higher rep range just to get the volume of his muscles, but he always had that granite hard look to his body. So, been polyurethane thing. Yes, right? So it's very, very interesting. So it's just one of those things,

and I know we tend to lean one way or the other. I don't mind pump training for the upper body. Man, for the lower body though, it's so damn grueling. Just those reps. I just want to, well, I think that's just the amount of blood that has to leave from the heart down to your, to your feet and those are, and those are massive muscles. So it's a lot of it, right? You can get a crazy burn and pump in the bicep. It's like how much blood does your body really need to send in that direction where you get a pump

in the quads and the hamstrings, and it's like, that's a lot. It's hard to walk. Yeah, it's a lot. You gotta send that. Speaking of blood, pump, and all that stuff, so you guys ever fall into the same, I'm sure you do.

You just keep making the same mistake over and over again, because you don't learn your lesson. Training wise or in life? Never. Just everything. For me, this is a, I mean, this is not a life one, this is a training one. gonna stay mistaken over and over again because you don't learn your lesson. Training wise or in life? Never. Just everything. For me, this is not a life once, this is a training one. But so every once in a while, you guys know I have a little bit of a supplement relationship.

I like supplements. You take care of your time with them. I went to every once in a while, I'll do this. I'll go get gas or something and then, oh, there's a supplement store. Let me just go in there, just walk around. I like doing it, see what's going on. And I saw some of their pre-workout ready to drink drinks, right?

I can't believe you're even in a supplement store with the amount of fucking supplements. I don't have any here. We have door supplements in this store here that you could eat supplements every day, twice a day for the next year and never get through all that. Now, what gets you more excited?

Is it the color and the labels and the marketing? Is it the names of these crazy ass products? Like, what is it? What are you doing, dude? What are you doing, dude? What are you doing, dude? It's like, I'm a self-experimenter. Oh, yeah, it's the chemicals, dude.

It's like, oh, this is a new combination of weird shit. And you know, it's funny with pre workouts. Ever since that market opened up, which it's, how long would you say the pre workout market's been like 15 years? Oh, yeah, yeah. Before that, there really wasn't a pre workout category song.

Yeah. They, because the stimulants are, you build a tolerance to them, like caffeine, right? You drink a small cup of coffee, get your jazz, eventually you need two cups and so on. The pre-workout ingredients have gradually ramped up to insane levels. The original pre-workouts had 200 milligrams of caffeine.

Less than that even. I remember stuff that had 150. Yeah, now it's 400, 400s, which you see now, and some of these phones. It's like a baseline now. Dude, I got one, right? And I read the back and I'm like, oh shit, this has Yohimbi in it.

Oh, this is Tyrosine is in there. Oh, this has got Agmentine. And it's got a lot of caffeine in there. Nuclear fallout. Yeah, the same. So, I don't know if you can see some. I wanna make my balls pink today. When I'm podcasting, that sounds like a great idea.

I'm like my eyeballs are sweating, that's what happened. I over did it, dude. I was working out and I was like, I can feel heartbeat. You know what I also find out? I do about you. You're the biggest cheap ass out of all of us. And that you would go waste money on a product that you have for free. Which is funny to me too. It's an amazing point. It's an experience. Oh, I over did it. I have something I'm going to show you. Doug, can point, I sent you privately a video this happened.

Make sure you pick the right video he sent you. He's not the first one he sent you. He's having just the other day on the plane. Did you guys hear about this story right here? Oh, I think I saw this. I think I saw this. Play it. I know Doug hates this when we play.

I want you to see the whole thing when he's another angry. Blow it up. Oh shit. Passinger, can I read it? Adam, yeah. So a passenger allegedly touched to flight attendance. Press. Then screamed his parents are worth two million before punching a flight. First of all,

you're worth two millions. Nothing. You're then punching a flight attendant and suspended the crew. Wait, hold on a second. The crew duct taped him. Yes. Oh, just wait. Do you see this? That is why what you guys to watch this I my parents are with two million Chad losses mine Hey, he even has the pastel polo on Hey, he even has the pastel polo on Like 50,000 dollars my dad's a lawyer

Oh, yeah, oh that's That's that oh He took the face dude Wait, did he die? No, he can breathe Yeah, so okay, so I mean taking matters in there. What kind of Authority do they have to duct tape somebody? So they have a lot of authority. So to maintain the safety of the air?

Yeah, no, I get that. I'm just, I'm curious as to like protocol. Yeah, so they're, right now they're on a leave of absence. And the first statement that came out said they were suspended. Now the, now, frontier, I think is the name of the plan or whatever. They came back out again and said that because people sort of freaking out, like that they weren't supporting their employees for what they did.

I mean, they a lot of people feel that they did what they could or they did the right thing. Then you have some people that are like, okay, they took this too far. They humiliated him by duct taping his face and some of that. That's pretty humiliated himself. Well, yeah, I agree, right? So there's some controversy here. There's this controversy around, did they go too far with it or, you know, they don't have handcuffs. They don't have things like that. There was no air marshal that was on the phone.

No, they didn't go too far. That's what it would have been too far if they like beat the shit out of them after he stopped fighting back. Like that might have been a little too far. They duct taped them. He was acting like a moron. And it said in the comment or the clip or whatever he was touching, female. I think they counted that him, like when he was reaching or swinging at them, like that was the...

I wonder if he was, you know what though? The two of you had Tourette's or what if he would that seemed like he might have had a little bit of a drunk or something, like he didn't seem like he was in the right state of mind. Well imagine if he's been diagnosed bipolar and has Tourette's. like he might have had a drunk or something like he didn't seem like he was in the right state mind. Well imagine if he's he's been diagnosed bipolar and has threats. Yeah.

And then they did something like that. He's not as mad as I don't know, dude. You guys ever deal with anything like that, the gym where you had to like, not like that well, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not the gym. Yeah. Yeah, I told you guys a story.

There was the though you tricked him to walk outside then you walked out the big biker dude and he was I mean he was gonna fight me dude and so I had to like I had to think fast and I was like all right I'll fight you let's go outside meet me outside right and and so he's like yeah so then I open the door for him to go out Yeah, just like you walked out and then I just locked it right behind him and he looked at me through the glass and I waived Yeah, and then we call the police but now I mean I mean, I've had, like I said, in that situation, you have to think kind of quickly, like what I mean. I think that was a pretty smart maneuver right there. I don't think I've had somebody that, I'm trying to think if I'm going to stabilize them right away,

you kind of quill all this like crazy energy. Yeah, I don't think I've had, I mean, I told you the story with a guy spit in my face, but I mean, that didn you this story with a guy spit in my face, but I mean, that didn't end well for him. So that was it. You overreacted, yeah, I didn't like walk him out the door. And I don't think I overreacted. I think who's been someone's face,

you get a fucking fist to the face. That's what they're asking for. To me, that is up there with like, it's biological warfare, dude. Yeah. I don't know what you got. Yeah, I just think there's certain things that yelling at me, calling me names, I mean, whatever.

Like that's not a big deal to me. No, I mean, I was at a concert and there's this guy's big dude. That was in one of the pits and we saw him throwing girls down. And so, you know, myself, like a mosh pit, you mean? Yeah, but like he was being a total dick and was like, and so we all took him out, you know, like it tookosh pit. Yeah, but like he was being a total dick and and was like and so we all took

him out, you know, like it took a few of us, but we targeted him. I like it if I justifies this fucking bar fighting all the same. Just say, we saw him hit girls and that was not okay. You know, what I'm sure that's how that would do. So I've heard this. So I had a friend that was like you, Justin, he loved going to those kind of concerts. You get in the Mosh Pit. Yeah. And I would ask him like, dude, are you, do you just rules? Yes. I had no idea.

I said code, yeah. Yes, because I'm like, why would I do that? You're just getting a mark. You're just fighting people, swinging. He's like, no, no, there's a code and there's ways you do it. You don't actually have fights unless you're an asshole. And he said, he said that if you break the code in the Mosh Pit, you're dead. Like if you go in there and you're

Intentionally, yeah, everybody ends up turning on that guy everybody will turn on that's what happened. Yeah, so Pretty crazy. Speaking of funny stuff. So I met one of our our neighbors and He's a he's a spittle in the corner of your mouth person you guys know I'm talking about you're gonna meet someone like that I like a little dribble. You ever meet someone like that as they talk? A little bit of like, just a little bit of foam a little bit of fiddle. Gathers in the corners of their mouth. And they don't know and they just keep talking.

You ever meet that before? Starts bubbling a little bit. That's the worst dude. I've been told you was a tell them like they have food on their faces at the same thing. Like hey, you know you're drooling, right? When you're talking. It doesn't matter.

I've met several people like this and it just happens every time they talk. Is it a condition is you're called to talk or two on top of that. No, thank God. That would be the combo. Is that a condition? I'm sure that's gotta be this got what would you call I gotta have no idea. I don't know. I mean, there's gotta be something going on mechanically with him. It's not working properly and and so then he gets this buildup right. Don't you think you might be right? I gotta be right here, don't you think? I had a T-S-I-I-I've had people that I've seen and talked to you before, very rare you see it,

but I have seen a handful of people in my life. Yeah, I just keep going, it's right there. Yeah. And it doesn't go away. Yeah, it gets all filled up right there. Yeah, dude, and I'm like, oh man. Man, he's one of those guys. Yeah, but they have something going on with their,

you know, they got lazy tongue. It's part, lazy tongue. You got sleepy butt syndrome. There's like a sleepy tongue syndrome. He was talking okay, I mean his words were pronounced right. It just said the corner, you know, really?

Cause I think I remember that person having kind of a list too. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, that's fucked up. You got spittle and a list. Yeah. Is that a thing, spittle? Is that, is that why things don't overcome?

No, this, why do I know this? Oh, I see. I see, I see I'm trying to get through all the terms. Look at the little hyper salivation. Really? Some people get like excess saliva in their mouth. Spiddle, I don't know if that's the exact word. I think of spiddle as like coming out of your mouth. Spid.

That's gleeke. What does that call? I don't know, but I've seen those little bugs. You know that they cover themselves with spit but I've seen those little bugs, you know, that they cover themselves with spit. And have you seen those in nature? Yeah, those, yeah, it's like a little defense mechanism and they cover, you see just these little spit piles.

Really? Yeah. Where's the little bug? I don't know. I've seen it in nature. It's just one of those things. I have no idea. Speaking of that, so you guys actually watch a fantastic fun guy. I'm, you know Speaking of that, so you guys actually watch I haven't watched you. Fantastic fun guy. I'm, I'm, you know what I have, don't ruin it too much because I'm gonna watch you.

Hold on a second. The bug is called a Spiddle bug. Yeah. I told you. See? You know what's funny? We merged brains there on accident. That was really good.

So maybe he's got one of those bugs. He's a face. Stop. All right, so tell me about this. Okay, so tell me why you texted us the night to tell us to eat an edible watch. Because it is mind face. Stop. All right, so tell me about this. Okay, so tell me why you texted us either night to tell us to eat an edible watch this. Because it is mind blowing.

All right, yeah, it's mind blowing. There's just so much progress. I think that we've gotten away from like really cool stuff in media because it's all negative and everybody's thinks their apocalypse is happening. But at the same time, you get somebody like like I guess the class five is like an amateur scientist researcher, which I mean, some people are touting him is like,

like the next like Darwin, because of some of these breakthroughs he's found with mushrooms. Really? Yeah, and fungi and mycelium in general. And so he was able to pat in a few, just not to like go too far in depth with us, because you guys need to watch this, but there's just a few things that I was just mind-blowing about.

One of them was basically what he figured out with how to exterminate certain pests, like termites, for instance. Basically, long story short, there's mycelium that some of the termites will walk over and When they come back to the colony these the the guard Termites will recognize this this fungus that's on on their legs and will basically usher them out of the colony Decapitate them and then we'll commit suicide themselves, so it protects the colony Oh, that's a dream and so I'm And so he's Paul, this guy that's discovering all this, was able to come up with a different type of mycelium that actually attracted the termites.

And so in a sense, they would go walk over this, bring it back in, and then go all the way, it would reach all the way to the queen, and this would deac, like basically just devour the entire colony. And so, and it was so successful, you don't even need pesticides. Wow, that's brilliant. And he's been able to prove this in other, like even with mosquitoes, even with like other types of pests

that there's very unique types of mycelium that they can create, you know, in the lab, to address like each one of these like pests problems. Fun guy is fascinating. That's actually the largest organism on earth is a mushroom. Yeah. And it's massive. Where is it?

Isn't it an old orgy? Isn't the old as two? It's huge. It's under, I think it's underground. It's underground. It's massive, apparently. I don't know. It's whole like, like, neural network of, they communicate through chemicals and things that we don't understand. So trees transfer, like nutrients to each other through the mycelium. And so, you know, it's all interconnected. My favorite are how some of these mushrooms will actually infect an animal like an insect and take over the insect's behavior and make the insect walk up to the top of a tree

and position itself so that a bird eats it. Yeah. So it's like committing suicide. So the bird eats it, poops out the mushroom and it goes to another, and it's like this life cycle. Well here's another mind blowing thing, right? So they've, you know, poops out the mushroom, and it goes to another, and it's like this life cycle. Well, here's another mind blowing thing, right? So they've, you know, how you mentioned the trees,

are they communicating everything? Well, they'd been able to like research even further into that and they found really interesting behaviors that they didn't think was possible for, but basically the trees recognize siblings. So they understand that their group, like they have actual like a family, you know, within this tree circle.

Yeah, so they take nutrients and gather things and they provide it to their specific siblings and take care of their family. There's so much we don't know. What? You ever seen those pictures from the ground up? So they'll take a picture of the canopy, and trees will, they'll prevent themselves

from crowding each other out. And so they'll create these spaces in between their leaves, like they're communicating to each other, to give each other space, to get more sun. Have you seen these? These canopies where they do this? I have seen that.

It's crazy. I really want to watch that, though, so don't keep sharing too much. Yeah, all right, I you seen these these canopies where they do this? I've seen that it's crazy. I really want to watch that though So don't don't keep I will keep going more but don't give you guys a watch it. I'll just yeah, why me? I'm gonna be I'm gonna because I definitely get high and watch it I think that'll be a fun one or I'm a little bit just do that if everything's better that way I was watching the one you recommended not that long ago the heist. Oh, yeah That's really so so you were saying it's like a series and it talks about...

So it's a docu, it's docu, it's like mini docu, I don't know, is that the right name for that? You got a mini docu series? Yeah, or just docu series. Right, well, they have, because there's multiple, right? So it's not just a set time. It's like two episodes for each one of the stories.

That's right. So there's like, I don't know, six stories and they're all two episodes long. And they're all successful Heists that are famous. Well, they got away? Yeah. Do they have the one where the guy jumped out of the plane never found again? Oh, no.

You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know you're talking about. What's his name? I've only watched Lokey. They had that in Lokey. Yeah, what's his name? It's like DB something. You mean Cooper.

Yeah, dude. What was that one? You never heard about DB Cooper? The guy dropped out of a plane? Bro, he took a bag of money that he robbed. I don't know how many millions of dollars and parachuted out of a plane and nobody's ever found it never found again Yeah, still still look him up. Look at his pictures pictures got exactly sunglasses on in his famous sketch You never did DB Cooper. No. Oh, bro. He's one of the most when was it how far back? Oh, gosh

90s 70s. Oh God that far back. Yeah, remember Of course. What do you mean? Why would I remember that? No, I said I do. Of course. I do. Yeah. Remember that. That's him right there, dude. So that guy right there. Still how much do they say how much money? He got away with the $200,000. So these ones are all famous for their the biggest ice ever two. So seven million three million. I think like 10 million in booze on one of them. Like there was some really cool heist and just, I don't know, I think it's interesting to listen to Clevver stories. I think I've shared on the podcast before that the robberies get a, they get away with robberies actually way more than the news leads. But it was interesting.

The one with the, the airplane heist where they have like all this money and access that there. Yeah. You know, sort of, they have like a, like it, and they don't even have guards or anything protecting like the money. And so this guy finds this and basically does his homework from watching all of these like CSI type shows. And like like FBI shows and like how they actually like find these people.

So he's basically like just taking all the information down and like planning and plotting his whole strategy. And he gets away. And he gets away. You know, that's why. So I think I've talked about this too on the show a long time ago when I first was talking about the wire. Originally when the wire was launched,

it got removed from television because it laid the blueprints out on how to beat these cases. Really? Yeah, because that was before, everybody knows what a burner phone is now, but that's what made it popular. Nobody knew what it was before that. Nobody was, oh, that's interesting.

It's like common knowledge now, right? Like, oh, a burner phone. Like everybody kind of knows what that is, but back then, nobody knew what it was. Well, I know the movie Goodfellas, if I'm not mistaken, that they almost, they got threatened by putting it out because it was showing too much of the interworking. Yeah, that's how wire was.

I mean, they basically show how the drug dealers avoid getting caught up and how they stretch. Is this all on Netflix? I don't know if... The Hices on Netflix. Hices on Netflix. Yeah. So you know what else they just put on Netflix?

Super exciting. The Twilight series. Oh, yeah. Wait, so you guys haven't seen the number, the Chick-Bam wire one? The Twilight Zone. The Twilight series. Oh The chick band. Yeah, there's a Twilight zone. I got excited and then I didn't No, it's on it's on there now. It's no thing. It's ranking right it's ranking real high because there's so many Because there's a lot of teenagers that watch Netflix. Yes, so I've been watching them with Jessica right so we're watching Well, so seven watching them with Jessica, right? So we're watching all sorts of. Oh, man, bro.

Hey, listen, listen. Bro, everybody call me. Yeah, you're on. Okay, one more strike. You lose your man card, bro. Okay, but which team are you on? Kenya, why you're working out? It's the fair will guy.

Hold on a second. Kenya, why you work out? Twilight, one fair. Four, dude. Purple's your favorite color? One more. We'll talk about that for a second. One more.

Purple's royalty. No, I, so I watched it with her. I think they're fun. We talk shit the whole time as we're watching it. So we're actually having a good time. Those movies are so, if you watch, they're so dumb. No, no, so as I'm watching it, so here's,

I have watched it. Here's something that nobody really talked about, right? So Edward, the frickin vampire, in my case. Oh, there's lots of people talking about it. They're just between the ages of 15 and 9. Come back, dude. Come back, dude. Everybody calm down. Just hold on a second.

I gotta say something. In the movie, he's a 109 year old vampire, right? He fucking falls in love with that minor, a 17 year old girl, and then he marries her. Do they not know? He's a hundred and nine, he's a freaking, he's a pervert. He's a freaking.

What are you doing with this kid? Anyway, that's all I want to say. Just see what I'm doing. As I'm watching, I'm like, what the hell? That's a whole new angle. I didn't even consider it. Exactly, this is terrible. Speaking of plum, which As I'm watching, I'm like, what the hell? That's a whole new angle. Exactly. This is terrible.

Speaking of plum, which is a rad color, by the way, some of the best muscle cars of all time were plum color. What's the one that I love so much? Barricutis or Challengeris? Doesn't, uh, Viori have their new collection coming? Yeah, the whole fall thing. Their highlighting plum is a big color. So I brought up last time the metapans, right?

So that was part of the fall collection. I do know they've introduced more colors. I've had, they've had the plum for a while because I have the Sunday joggers and plum also. I have the Sunday joggers and plum, brown, white, three blacks, two grays. Yeah, so those are my first. I'm still trying to get that one Army green jacket

that they had at the location in Santa Ana, right? I haven't seen that. Have you seen that? I got it. You did. No, not on the website. When we did the event, I took one. Oh, you did?

Yeah, I did. You took the last size. I did. I didn't know you got that. Yeah, that's right. I had to see you wear it. I love it. Absolutely.

So you guys know that in the past, purple was royalty because you could not find in nature, it was very rare and hard to find purple die There was a particular type of mallaske which is like a snail that produced this purple die It was very hard to find and it was punishable by death from grapes. No No, you can't there's very very hard to find real purple die in nature But again, there was a small risk that produced this purple die when you did something with it And it was punishable by death to collect these mollusks because

it was so hard to get and make purple. So kings and queens wore purple. It's in now. It's on your underwear. Now it's on my underwear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's always interesting to listen to you navigate to your bullshit. So now I'm gonna just somehow some way somehow I'm gonna justify watching a teeny-bopper freaking movie and then I'm gonna justify the color purple and why I love it so much. He never used that anymore. It's like still a thing.

They're the ones that are fucking up the net the Netflix algorithm with the most watch. I remember the first time I got all excited about them like oh look at these are all trending these must be good. So I think like the three of the top four were just like, this is appealed, this is definitely power. I was like, I can hear everybody's thoughts.

Yeah. Let's, okay, let's, let's be honest. They're the dumbest, they're, yeah, they're the dumbest vampire. Like I grew up watching, what's it called? What was the one that we watched? Lost Boy? No, right. That's a vampire, bro.

Yeah, it might be your head open. Well, I think it doesn't like so, Twilight falls in the category of, in the way I said, teeny-bopper, it's like there's like a formula, right? To movies to make it. It's a love story. Yeah, right.

It's a love story wrapped into high school drama. Yes, I mean, there's a hundred different ways to tell that story. Do you know I'll go popular? Do you know why girls in particular are evacuated with vampires? I actually read Jessica read this. What book did you read? The next sucking? No. I don't know. I'm just speculating. Just as like I got this move. My girls love it. No. How well do you do that? No, so there's this book. I can't remember the book,

but it talks about why they're want, why they're certain things that are found or it's because a vampire, no, a vampire is, looks, well, looks relatively young. Sorry, that's creepy. You know, obviously, relatively young could kill you, dangerous, but isn't very protective, but it's also, so they look young, but they have the wisdom of an old man.

So it's like, it's this contrast like, oh my God, he's like, he looks like me, he's a teenager, but he's so wise, because the perfect formula for something like twilight to go huge, right? Yes, because that's a good looking, but wise. That's like the formula, that's what girls want at that age, right? I want a guy that's still. And chill, because he's got hundreds of years.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Isn't that interesting? How we do that? Anyway, speaking of this kind of stuff? So do you guys know Rihanna is a billionaire officially? Oh, she reached a billion a billion. There's only it okay So you have Dre you have I don't think has Jay-Z hit it yet. Oh, Jay-Z had to no. No, I don't think he has yet Maybe though. I don't know I'm not like a vodka and everything I thought that I know he was chasing it

Do you know Andrew? I feel like you're up and up on that hip hop scene. No, you're not. I'm not talking about daddy. Yeah, P Diddy. One point four billion. Who's that? Jay Z. Okay, so yes.

So Jay Z made his first two things. Oh, bro, he's got his clothing line. He's got a clone champagne. I mean, he's got a ton of things, right? So you have, is he behind the champagne? Is it the spade? The ace of spade one? It's called Armand Brignac.

Close enough. That's my best friend's pronunciation. Can I see a picture? Oh, oh. Can you show it to me or not? So you have Dre, you have Jay-Z. I'm sure P Diddy is now too then. You have Rihanna.

There's not that, wow, 1.4 billion. Wow. Where's the, uh, we've got Kanye. Oh, you just, you don't have a picture of it, Doug. That's what I was looking for. Yeah, I'll find it for you. Okay. Doug, if you want to look up images, it's Kanye up there yet, too.

It's Kanye up there. Kanye might be close. Yeah. You know, it's, it's actually, I think it's really cool because we've, we've watched this happen in the last, and this is, uh is this is true with Professional athletes wow look at the champagne bottle. That's it. That is it. So I was that's why I said wow five or six hundred bucks Yeah, for one bottle. Look at that. That's crazy

How do you know this was his was But no the last I don't know two two decades or I would say, like this is now a lot of your professional athletes, your rappers, your movie stars, like you can build with social media now, you can build a personal brand and build so much off of that where you couldn't really do that before. You know, at the mercy of agents and other companies, sponsors.

I was just gonna say, what you'll notice about all these artists is they did not become billionaires. Off of music. No, no. They become billionaires. They make their money and their name in their art. Then they take that, they pour it into some of the business. They partner up with tech and

yeah, so like Rihanna has got, she has a beauty line called Fenty Beauty Line. And this is how she's become a billionaire. Which is, look, I love this. I think the Kardashians, right? That was cool. I think this is so brilliant. Aren't athletes some pro athletes

starting to do this too? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They are, everyone, I remember when, my buddy, when he's been on the show before, who's a sports agent, when we first kind of were hanging out and first met, he was introducing me to his pro athletes that he had that were football players.

And he wanted to use me as an example to show the good. That time I had, I don't know, I think I only had like 10,000 followers, but I was building my own quote unquote brands. This was before my pump and I was building a presence on social media. That's when you were doing half naked photos.

Yeah, yes, stuff, whatever it took, right? So, I'm just breeze over that. I'll do anything. Literally. That's a long night. You got money? I'll do it.

So now these agents, like that became a big part of his job is actually to help, so you know, it's like, hey, I'm gonna negotiate your contract get the most money for you and also help you build your personal brand. That's great.

So that's part of most good sport agents now, is they don't just negotiate your contract, they also can help you in this department. I imagine some of the bigger agencies and bigger ones even have literally probably departments that help some of these guys and girls with building it. Okay, so you just reminded me, you're talking about professional sports.

Wasn't there an article about the 49ers using or utilizing Juve for recovery? Yeah. So what were they saying in there specifically? If that was part of their recovery. I think I saw on their website that it says that they had the competitive advantage because they have it, which I'm sure is like an article from Juve for them to post on there. Well, I mean, I'm sure other teams can buy Juve and use it too. I don't, you know, that's a good question on what happens when you sign with a pro team like that.

Is there exclusive? Yeah, it must be, I would think. I don't know. I don't know if you, I mean, you, as if you're Juve, you don't want to do that. Yeah. Because you're, I mean, you're talking about passing on Juve. I know, do you know Doug, it will specifically be the practice. Because they're highlighting that Juve was the best option out there

that they researched and everything. And so it's like, it was cool. Cause I remember when this happened, like, I don't know, it was a year ago where they had announced that they were, like, moving into their training facility and like adding these panels for recovery. And so they're putting a lot of emphasis on recovery,

which is really smart. And I was stoked to see them, then go that direction. I wish I could share with the audience, who's using Juve but I can't. Like so when we when I talk to them, they share with me and they're technically not supposed to right because for the same reason why I can't share and talk about it but there's a lot of very big name pro athletes and all kinds of sports that are using it to get the competitive. There's a okay so there's a lot more that goes into red light therapy than just having the red light panels.

Which is all the where all the charlatans come in. There is. There's intensity, direction of the rays and how it's used and worked. And Juve is like literally what they'll use in studies. When you see red light therapy studies, you're looking at the way Juve works. Other red light panels don't do that. Now, they may emit the same red light, but it's not nearly as effective. Until this day, it still weirds me out. It's the strangest thing. Like Jessica, I can clearly see in her face when she uses on a regular basis. It's remarkable how much it should do.

Now, the thing that I can't quite wrap my brain around, because I don't fully grasp the science behind it, is that is it because, and why we're seeing these huge benefits and why I think it's helping as so many people is because of how little sunlight we get and many of the benefits that you get from the Juvely are similar to the benefits that you get from science.

It's more like this. I know it's concentrated, so I know it's like a higher dose of it. I'll give you a good example. Criatine, tremendous benefits for building muscle, strength, performance, also naturally found in animal proteins, especially red meat. Now the problem with trying to get the upper limits of creatine, because our muscles can actually store

quite a bit of creating. This is why they do the loading phase and that stuff, right? The problem of trying to eat enough animal sources of creating to get creating is it always is accompanied by proteins, fats, and calories, right? And in order to get the upper limit of creating that's gonna saturate your muscles, it can be a bit

unrealistic for most people to get it from food. Do you get some of those red light rays from the sun? Yes, but you also get other rays from the sun that can cause skin damage, sunburn, and you have to be out in the sun. This is only more radiation to consider. Yeah, so with this it's concentrated with this particular wavelength of light that doesn't cause this kind of damage, but produces these positive effects. So the benefits, can you get some of the benefits from sun that you get from red light? Yes, can you get all the benefits now?

No, that's crazy. That's my point, though, is I feel like the people that would see the most extreme benefits. So let's say you're somebody who lives down by muscle beach and your routine is you train and you go out on the beach every single day for an hour afterwards compared to CEO over here in Silicon Valley who works 5 to 11 p.m. every night, burning the cannibal both ends underneath for lessened lights all day. And I would compare those two bodies and then I would introduce the Juve light three times a week to them.

My theory is that the CEO is going to see the most dramatic benefits from that. Probably. I would assume just like if you were to compare a vegan to somebody who eats red meat occasionally and then create a team. Very good point. If you were to take a vegan and give them creatine, you're going to see cognitive benefits, muscle bill, energy, all these things come of them, or maybe this person who diets and eats

lots of red meat. Oh, yeah, I feel a difference. It helps, but not as dramatic as the meat. Yeah, that's a very, very good point. I would have to agree with you. I would definitely have to agree with you. Well, it's also consistency, too. In terms of the frequency of using it, you start to feel those effects, right?

So in terms of being able to consistently have, you know, a contained light source that gives you those benefits versus like, you know, the sun on this day, you know, like, I just don't feel like people consistently get that kind of exposure. No, I totally, I mean, that, to me, that's kind of how I've trained myself to use it is,

you know, at the bare minimum, right? If I don't get out on the sun, I'm definitely, that's a day I'm gonna get in front of the juice. Every day I'll try and spend 10 to 15 minutes in there in front of it if I can, let's switch it on, it's in the offices where we have it. But for sure, if I know it's like,

oh my god, today I'm like racking my brain, I really was not outside and get a walk in the sun or anything like that. Like that's, I'm for sure gonna get over there and get 20 minutes. Speaking of football and stuff, any updates on your team that you're coaching. So we're in Hell Week this week. Oh this is Hell Week?

Wow. Are you going in the morning? Uh so no, the double days is next week. So Hell Week is different. It's all good. The hell's your conditioning like. Oh so Hell Week always for us was also double days too. So it was it was separate.

Yeah. This is like two hell two shitty weeks. Hell Week and then freaking. I think always for us was also double days too. So it was separate. Yeah, it's like, two hell, two shitty weeks. Hell week and then freaking. It's intense, it's football. Yeah, that's okay. So what, so what, what, yeah, what constitutes is,

I was gonna say this, let me add to that, explain this to somebody who might not understand. So what is the purpose of hell week? What are you trying to train? Honestly, there's no, there's no individual work. It's just literally just conditioning. So it's almost like because the practices during the summer optional, you kind of use this week as a kid. Everybody back and

take it back. Everybody that has been gone and vacationing or whatever, like everybody's got to get, you know, up to speed with everybody else that's actually been consistent. So it's kind of like a last minute effort to get everybody sort of like in game conditioning speed. And so we're just kind of throwing the kitchen sink out. I mean, again, this is like, this is mindset. So I look at this as the opportunity

to really drive the point home that we don't have quit in us. And so when you're fatigued on the field, this is where you gotta fight through all those factors. And it's a totally different mentality than what I pre-chair in the show about longevity and sustainability and all that. This is a sport. So you're saying conditioning, this is also, this is a lot of it mental is a sport. So you're saying conditioning, this is also,

this is a lot of it, mental conditioning. Yes. So you're teaching them and this is important to discern because I think sometimes people, or even ex athletes, I've had this happen where I'll have somebody I train and now they're 30 but they played football before and they're like, but I used to throw up after my workouts, especially during double days and hell week. And I would explain to them,

that wasn't necessarily to train your body to make it more fit. It's that was to train your mind to deal with that kind of grueling. Because when you're in a game with the team, sometimes the difference between you winning and losing isn't your physical fitness, but rather which team is gonna give up mentally first.

Because that's it. Although the cardiovascular adaptation that happens in that short period of time is actually unbelievable. In fact, as a kid, I thought it was all bullshit. I didn't realize the science until I became a trainer a way later on actually how effective that is. I always thought, oh, this is a way for the coaches to punish you for being lazy over the summer.

Yeah, it feels like punishment. Yeah, it does feel like that. When you're a kid going through it, you think this is, it is mostly mental just to perceive all break and too to kind of get at me for being lazy and drinking celebrities all fucking summer and not exercising at all. And this is our time to whip you back into shape. But actually your body adapts to cardiovascular training

very quickly. I mean, and if you're doing it twice in a day and running that much for that long, it's like in a week's time, your cardiovascular endurance compared to what it was seven days ago is dramatically different. It's unbelievable how fast you can push the VO to. Yeah, so I'm in sort of a weird place because the kids know I'm really, you know, my background in terms of like, you know, workouts and mobility and I'm always stressing all these things

and like, you know, paying attention to their diet, making sure they're well fed, like eating like two hours before they come to this practice because you saw the very first practice, kids made the mistake of like, 20 minutes before, like scarfin' something down. And it's just coming out. And so like between that and then also like adding, you know, some sodium into their

water, you know, to kind of avoid a lot of the cramping and all these types of issues. And so I've been talking to them a bit about element T and, you know, adding that in. And so I have a lot of kids that are doing that. I have a boy in the pedal hard drugs. Which is very helpful for some of these kids. So, you know, there's a lot of stuff, but it's, but again, it's like, and we stress that, it's like, this isn't punishment, this is preparation. This is preparation to be able to go all four quarters, you know, fully conditioned and be able to give 100% each down. And so, the whole thing is like, you pay attention to those little things. Who doesn't finish

all the way through? You know, is? Is that the same effort you gave, the very first rep to the very last rep and everything in between? And so it's like all those little things, you just gotta get in the mindset of that because if the kid's like, it's so easy to take plays off. It's so easy to coast.

And so that's what we're looking for that. We're looking to prune all that kind of stuff. Now you told me at one point, you had the guys do bear crawls for a hundred yards. Yes. Wow. My idea. Uh, and yeah, it was great across the field.

Oh my God. And so again, this is this is intense. This is hard. Like I'm like, okay, what's going to be something that they can do physically, but it's going to be really challenging. And so they already been doing these liners and sprints and stuff. And so we kind of finished with 100 yard bear crawl,

which is doable the first 50 yards. Like everybody gets through that pretty easily. And then all of a sudden after 50 yards, it's, oh, everybody's just dropping like flies. So what's the mix look like? Because you have Freshman, sophomore, junior, and seniors. How many total do you have and what's the mix of each age group? Does it look like? Yeah, so it's pretty light on the seniors. So we don't have that many seniors coming back.

So there's, you know, a few leaders out there, which less than 10. Yeah, it's less than 10. It's probably like eight or so that are confirmed. We're still kind of in the recruiting phase, but yeah, we have more juniors and the majority actually of the kids are in the sophomore and freshman class kind of coming up. So we're in a predicament where we're actually we're coaching everybody at the same time. We're running practices until we can farm more coaches to help with the JVs. Now, is there for you, is there a very clear difference between the freshman sophomores to the junior seniors as far as like mindset and like they're willing to work harder? They're just deer and headlights. Yeah. They're out there just like, oh my god, what are

we doing today? You know, like, I had to get pads today. Like, they just, they don't know anything. Like, it's like, they got dropped off and they're just walking around like this. You know, and so I'm just, I'm focusing on them to help, you know, kind of. I can't imagine you like, I'm welcome to hell, we, I can't imagine you seeing that and then going like,

okay, I need to organize all these knuckleheads and move them in the same direction to go after a lot of crushed people and win. Like, yes, you know, that's gotta be so scary, you know. You know what this makes me think? Like, getting ready to go to battle and dudes, I when. Yes, you know, it's got to be so scary. You know what this makes me think, like getting ready to go to battle and dudes I showed up like, where's my sword?

You know what it reminds me of? I don't know, I forgot my helmet. You ever watched the Kevin Costner or Robin Hood? Yes, he's like trying to teach all the customers how to like shoot an arrow. And they're like, oh, the dwing. Shooting it, that's what kind of was. So you know what this makes me think of?

So I noticed this as a trainer, when I would have clients that would do these absurd workout classes later on, CrossFit came on the scene and they would do absurd workout classes, something, this is a psychological phenomenon that I think coaches either do consciously or subconsciously, but when you have a group of people

that endure some terrible pain together, it brings them together. Oh, no, that's, they, they, that's 100% intent. They 100%. That's like a well-known, are you noticing that? That's a well-known coaching strategy, military strategy. Break them all down together so they suffer together and then build them back up and then they build this incredible bond.

It's 20 you mentioned that because it's, it does feel a lot like it's very militant, you know, the way that we're sort of structuring, but you need order. You know, there's a lot of chaos, there's lots of variables of kids, you know, like all kinds of things happening everywhere. And we're trying to manage it all. And so we need everybody within this group to look out for everybody else. So we can't, we can't like, we only have so many eyes out there. So we're really looking at pushing this back

on these leaders in there. And so we're creating these leaders, and we're really trying to foster this culture where they're looking out for all the other kids. And so, it's really starting to emerge, but it wasn't there before. We was devoid of this sort of, family, like tight knit unity.

They should just suffer a little bit. That's all right. Well, they need to do, but they also need to keep each other accountable. And so that's really what we're establishing with like really tight wraps. And so they do these four quarters where they gotta do like the same thing every time.

They gotta do a specific amount of pushups, sit ups, you know, up downs and all these things and they have to literally like yell out their reps. And so we're very adamant about this and we'll walk around and see if you're not counting reps and hammer them on it. You know, and it's, we want it to echo, you know, through the entire valley. And so we're just, we're like, and we're like, other team soccer teams, we're going by like, you know, and we go, you guys. And tough, dude, this football, you know,

like this is a unit. We all move together. And so that's starting to really blossom. And it brings a little smile. Like these kids are really, really fortunate. You know, are you going to do the, you know, you fumble in practice to really blossom and it brings a little smile to it. These kids are really, really fortunate. You know, are you gonna do the, you know, you fumble in practice and then you have to carry

the football school all day long? Like, I remember that. For the back, sorry, on that. Yeah, you have to carry it around and then every time all day long, you have to try and strip it. You strip it, a hundred push ups that you have to knock out. I'm already thinking marketing because we're, we used to have such a good turnout for the community.

We would have the biggest crowds because we just had this such this tight culture and everybody knew. You'd be randomly at a store and people, I saw your sack on Saturday, man. Like really, you went? That's great. Also, it's Friday night lights at the end. It's totally like that. So we're trying to get out there in the community and we're our next thing

We're gonna be like a lift of thawing wins our first official game. I want to make sure we have that calendar So we have so let's come weeks, so make sure you have to put it or put it in base camp. So we would love to get it Yeah, I definitely want to go. Do you think we all should I think that'll be fun. That'll be awesome. It would be interesting Yeah, we'll see before we get into the questions a few weeks ago, we shouted out the new Bedford downtown post office in New Bedford, Massachusetts. And we got this message from St. John Barbell from the Mount Pleasant Post Office in New Bedford, Massachusetts saying that he's the one

that introduced Mind Pump to them. And then he needs a shout out, so I'm shouting out. We're gonna wait here. And also, Are they rival post office? Yes they are. He says, and also we are the better post office. Oh snap.

Wait a second. So okay, last time we, we, we shot it out the last one. It was a post office. Yes. And you're telling me that this is another local or like local post office and they're very specific that we introduce Mind pump to them. And we're a better.

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Hey, what's up, guys? So I just have a question. I'm looking for a recommendation for a program. So I do a lot of surfing, also yoga and mobility work and have a hard time keeping on muscle mass. So looking to take one of your programs. Excellent. Do you do any strength training now? I do. Yeah. Intermittently, nothing consistent. So I'm really looking for consistency. Okay. And you want to be able to maintain your your performance too with your surfing and yoga and that kind of stuff, right? Exactly. Excellent.

Okay, would you say you want to look like a sexy athlete? Sure. Here's why I said that. So I think the perfect or do you? Yeah, here's no, no, just sexy, not athlete. Here's the reason why I said that. We have something called a sexy athlete bundle that combines maps aesthetic,

which is kind of a bodybuilding focus program. Really good for building muscle, but it also has maps performance, which is an athletic training program. And what you do with the both of them in that particular bundle is you combine the two workouts. So you alternate between maps aesthetic workouts with maps performance, and you kind of get, aesthetic workouts, with maps, performance,

and you kind of get a little bit of both worlds, right? You get to sculpt and shape your body, build some muscle, but you also get to train your body to move and perform like an athlete, which it sounds like it's something that you value. The second thing I would say is you definitely want to look at your nutrition. Sometimes people have trouble, oftentimes I would say,

people have trouble building and maintaining muscle, just because their calories aren't high enough. So you want to kind of combine the two, bump your calories, high protein diet, and then follow the sexy athlete bundle, which is maps aesthetic with mass performance. So I want to dive a little bit into the niche, because obviously you gave the short version

because Doug wouldn't allow you to say everything. But I'm reading your question right now and it sounds like you've tried to gain muscle in the past and you've struggled with that. And I'm guessing that has a lot to do with you teach classes, you're super active, you're surfing, it sounds like you're probably burning a lot, and you struggle with probably building. Is that true?

Yeah, it's true. Okay, so nutritionally, what do you see? Are you consistent with the way you eat? Are you inconsistent? Do you have you tracked it all? Yeah. I have tracked in the past, and it's pretty intuitive. I eat when I'm hungry, and I don't eat when I'm not

I know I also track my activity as well So sometimes I see him burning well over, you know, 3000 calories in a day roughly and so I try to match that and you know Eating that much is sometimes pretty difficult, but I do my best You know, Alec, I'm gonna say something real quick. You said you're eating intuitively, which is great But intuitive eating is keeping you at your body weight, which sounds like you're healthy, you can move well, but your goal is to gain a little bit of muscle. This is when you're gonna want to eat a little more

than what your body would intuitively want you to eat. So if you're okay staying where you're at, then keep doing what you're doing, but if you want to gain a little bit, you're gonna have to purposely and consciously add more food. Because some strategies for someone like you who's this active is, and I wouldn't give this strategy to most people, but considering the position you're in,

and how active you are, is actually drinking like some liquid calories before and after a lot of your activity. That's so beer. You know. I mean, that's a bit serious. like some liquid calories before and after a lot of your activity. That's so beer. I mean, that's a big cheers. Honestly, in your situation with trying to gain, I mean, that's actually probably better than water. But drinking drinks that have calories, they're easy for you to take down.

And that could be a protein shake. That could be some sugar filled drink. And I know some people are probably cringing because that's not great advice for the average person. But somebody who struggles with putting muscle putting weight on and has a very active lifestyle One of the best things that helped me because I struggled with the same thing was before I'd go play basketball In your case before you go surf I would make sure I drank like a five to seven hundred calorie drink or like shake that was loaded full of calories Before and then as soon as I was done 700 calorie drink or like shake that was loaded full of calories before.

And then as soon as I was done, I would make sure I fill back up again. And that will kind of help get to the calorie intake you need. Another thing was also prioritizing my breakfast. I was really easily I could get to 11 o'clock without really eating much because I wasn't that hungry in the morning. And then I was constantly playing catch-up the rest of the day. So, if struggling, because we could put you on the best program in the world, which would be MAP's Antibolic and then Performance, but if you're not feeding the body enough calories to build, you're going to have a hell of a time.

You might feel stronger, you might feel good and mobile because of the great programming, but as far as adding more muscle and more size, you may struggle to do that if we don't hit your calorie intake on a consistent basis. It makes sense. All right, so do you have the programs that I had talked about that are in the sexy athlete bundle, Maps aesthetic and mass performance? No, I don't. All right, we'll send those over to you, Alex. So follow them again in that bundle.

We actually explain how you can combine the two programs. So some people like to do more of maps performance in that blend because they like more of the athletic parts. Other people will add a little more maps aesthetic in that blend because they're looking more for the aesthetic aspects. I'm gonna push you in the direction of more maps aesthetic and even modify performance because as you start to get towards the back half of performance, there is a lot of movement and you're a very active guy already. So I would probably back off on some of the stuff towards the end of the program as far as I think we even get an cardio recommendation in or the.

You don't need that. Yeah, you're doing that right? That's phase four. So a phase one and two basically kind of stick with that, where we're just working on max strength and also proprioceptive type strength. So that would work and go well with what you're trying to do on top of that.

Also, the days in between is really where you want to maintain your surf skill and all these other activities that you're a part of. That's a great fit for that on your in-between mobility or if it's aesthetic, it's your focus days. Yeah, I think the mobility portion of performance is gonna be great for you. I would just back half of that program

gets pretty intense as far as how much we're moving and burning. So a guy like you doesn't need that, but the mobility is going to be phenomenal. It's going to compliment everything that you're doing. Maps aesthetic though is where I would push you to spend more of your time. You know, it's good about the mobility too, Alec.

I know you do in your comment, in your written question, it says you've been practicing yoga for a long time, which is, which you probably have great ranges of motion. I'm sure your flexibility is pretty good. The mobility and performance really focuses on connection. Now I know when yoga is performed correctly, that when you're getting into poses and positions, you're active, right? You're not just holding a static stretch, but rather trying to stay active. So you're getting some of that with yoga. You'll love the mobility

movements in performance. In fact, you should notice an improvement even in your yoga Practice from the mobility programming in mass performance Right on all right, man. Thanks for calling Yeah, thank you guys so much. You got it. Yeah, I want to touch on that what he said about eating intuitively You know eating intuitive is a great way to maintain General leanness general, general fitness. It's what I like to refer to as the baseline, moving above or below that.

Below that. Yeah, so you wanna move above that baseline or below, like, let's say my baseline, when I'm healthy, when I eat intuitively, my body kind of settles around 11% body fat, 12%. I tend to be more naturally lean, it's great for me. If I wanna get down to 7% body fat, it's not intuitive, I have to like push my lean. It's great for me. If I want to get down to 7% body fat, it's not intuitive.

I have to push my body. Well, it's the difference between having a general goal versus a specific goal in my face. Right, so if you generally want to be healthy and strong and fit, it's a great place to live. Yeah, intuitive eating and exercising is excellent. And there's no reason for you to get crazy with tracking and weighing and all that stuff.

But if you have a very specific goal, I wanna add five pounds of muscle or 10 pounds of muscle, or I want to lose and maximize efficiency. And you really like direct it towards there like as quickly as possible. That's what you have to do. And it's not to say that you can't get to a place where you can kind of do that intuitively.

I just think that's a black belt of nutrition to be able to say, it's a pursuit, it's not a goal. Does that make sense? It's not a destination. This is just, well, even the best of us, you know, you go back and you figure out whether you're tracking, you're like,

oh, wow, I didn't even realize I was adding that in. Still happens to me today. I always, I'm off, always. Rarely ever am I like right on the calories and then also you're because you know maybe I'm maybe I'm dialed in I guess really close on my calorie intake And then I realized holy shit. I was moving way less than what I thought too, so all that stuff matters But and that but that was my concern with the performance recommendation with this guy because maps performance is definitely there's a lot more moving in that than that. Well towards the later phase. That was a good point. You made it because of the beginning phase are really good. Yeah, one and two functional. You're starting a three four and there's a lot more.

There's an endurance component in there. So because we're thinking of training an athlete and this guy is having a hard time keeping up with the calories. One of the best things I ever did was actually switch. This is why I know we went in the sexy athlete bundle, but I also could make the case for maps and abolish for him because one of the one of the biggest hurdles I ever got over was reducing my movement. And one of the best things I did was get out of a five to seven day a week program and drop down to a two to three day training volume. And that was way better for muscle gaining from you know. Our next caller is Adyari from Florida. Hey Adyari, how can we help you? Hi guys, how are you?

I'm a huge fan, so thank you for taking the call. I am a new mom, so I got the new mom bundle. You guys put out a few months ago. And I am almost done with maps on a ball, I'm on the third face. But my body composition changed for the worst. Like my fat, it's just got higher for some reason. Maybe it's my lack of sleep, you know,

the baby's just not having a good time with that. And I was just wondering if you have any recommendations, if I should change anything in the program and also what I can do once I'm done with antibiotics. Yeah no great question so you said bad sleep just how bad is your sleep? Well the baby's waking up once or twice a night consistently and once I put him down to bed I'm consistently and once I put him down to bed, I'm getting like maybe five, six hours talks every night. Okay, so this is a very important point, and I'm glad you have this question

because people need to understand this. Sleep is imperative, just like diet or exercise in terms of getting your body to progress or change. And sometimes what we do aside from, because right now you can't control your sleep, right? You have a baby, I know this, I have a young one too. And sometimes you can't, there's not much you could do to control this.

It's hard, right? So you're sleeping five or six hours a night, which is not very much. So you have all these other factors that you can control. And sometimes the best you can do is mitigate the damage. In other words, you're maybe not going to get the best shape of your life, but you might be preventing your body from really declining with your workouts and nutrition.

Now, the second thing I want to ask is, are you breastfeeding? Yes. Okay. I am. Okay, so while you're breastfeeding your hormones are Not necessarily conducive to fitness now. It's not a huge thing But they are your hormones are set up in a way while you're breastfeeding where it might be more difficult To build muscle get stronger burn body fat that kind of stuff

Are you noticing any other effects in the body is your strength any better? Are you noticing any other effects in the body? Is your strength any better? Are you noticing? Everything else is like, right, I'm making gains at the gym, right? I'm a lot less stressful. I chose, and the change is not that big. It went from like 32, 31.8 fat, right? To like 32. 1.8 fat right to like 32 so like just a tiny little bit and then my water way just went up to I'm just reading up the the test that they did at the gym but it's not a lot. It's just that since I'm feeling so great right and I'm not waiting myself or anything.

All right that's your that's your number one indicator right there. The fact that you you're feeling much better and you're getting stronger in the gym, I would actually, so I don't know how they're testing or who's testing you. Is it what kind of test is it? It's a, it's an in body, like you kind of like step on the machine barefoot and then you sell those. Do you have the paper with you from the in body? Can you hold it up for me for a second? Which one, the first or the second? Yeah, both of them. Both of them.

Yeah, now take those and throw them in the garbage. Ah! I love it. So here's a deal, okay? If you're stronger, it's very hard to get stronger and lose muscle. It's much to know that. I mean, it's possible.

There's like CNS issues going on, or, but extremely rare. If you're stronger, you probably didn't lose muscle. Now, the body fat percentage on those things, I'll tell you right now, I can literally make my body fat percentage go down by three or four percent in the same day on those stupid machines by modifying my water intake and the... Carp hydrate.

Yeah, they're super hard to be accurate. I wouldn't rely on those. Your most accurate measures are your performance. That's the most because it's either stronger or you're not, it's very objective. How you feel, if you're telling me you have more energy and you feel good, that's a wonderful indicator.

Body fat percentage tests, you know, even caliper tests. It's not bad, but you just have to, you just have to, it's a guide, and it's just another tool to get feedback, but you getting stronger at how you feel is more important than that. Like if you were to order like, well, it went up, 0.2%, that's something.

Yeah, so the fact that it is close if it's within a percent to 3% where you were, I'm not really tripping up or down. So a percent to 3% I'm not even tripping what's going on there. So long as the feedback I'm getting from my client is man, I feel better at them. I'm getting stronger. We're adding weight to the bar every time we go in here. Like everything feels good, but I just, the scale's not moving

or the body fat percentage is moving. That's okay, we're actually, you're probably believe it or not, in a really good place right now. Do you feel difference in the way your clothes fit and all that too? Yes, and I have guns now, look at this. Exactly, the definition's coming,

like there's a lot of positive things happening. Yes, it's great, I feel I feel really good I was just so surprised and So yeah, I just I thought of reaching out to you guys you converted me from a cardio bunny to like Weight training and following a program. I actually know what I'm doing at the gym now. I'm a lot more confident that space Oh, so yeah, what should I do after a bath? Okay, well, okay, so I'll tell you, but let me ask you a couple other questions.

If you don't mind me asking, how tall are you and how much do you weigh? I am five, six, and I am one, 17, 116. Oh, yeah, you're doing absolutely fine, especially if your strength has gone up, you're telling you you have guns. Now, here's, you want under the truth. I'm going to break this down.

I'm going to piss off a lot of gym owners and trainers. Do you know why there's an in-body machine in the gym? So they can sell you, you know, sessions? 100%. That's the tool. That's the tool. So a trainer is going to look at your thing and he's like, oh, we could do this.

So it presents itself as an objective measure. It's not extremely objective. All those other things are far more important. That literally throw that in the garbage. I would totally toss that. The only time I use body fat percentage of the people were caliper or underwater weighing. And it was when we were like specific.

I'm training someone and they're advanced and we're trying to see if we can manipulate their body fat by a percent or two. Otherwise, it was a total waste of time. Performance was a way better measure in terms of success. Okay, so after maps and a ball, if you're feeling good, you're feeling strong, you're feeling fit, the next program

to follow is maps performance. That's The next program to follow is Maps Performance. That's the best program to follow. You're still gonna continue progressing, you're gonna still feel better, you're gonna notice that your strength is still improving, but now there's more of an emphasis on movement, integrating the whole body, proprioceptive abilities,

this is knowing where your body is in space, you're gonna get a little bit more of a stamina component towards the end of that program. That's the next program I would say you should follow. If you don't have that, we'll make sure we send that over to you. Thank you so much. I love it. I got like, oh my God, I have got in the milk t-shirt and I always get super funny comments

at the gym where I wear it. And then when they read it, right, they're like, would you get that? So I have told two months of the gym to go and get it for you guys. That's great. You're a walking billboard. There you go. Excellent.

Yes. Well, thank you for wearing that. Thank you for listening to the podcast. And again, when you go back to that gym, if they ask you to do the embody, just give them the finger. Yeah. So aggressive. Thank you. Thank you so much, finger. So aggressive. Thank you.

Thank you so much, guys. No problem. I hate those stupid machines. I sort of got I've had to more often than not. I've had to help people. I love them. I like them. It's a, you know, it's just another tool that we have that we didn't have, you know,

several decades ago. So the fact that we have, it's just we we have, we have, I'm trying to know all the little, I mean, discrepancies that they prefer. Yeah, like this right here, like, I knew right away, that was why my question right away was what she's doing, how is she getting that, that body fat percentage and it's common. I mean, how sad is that?

Like, she's got all these wonderful metrics. For all intents and purposes, she's kicking ass. Especially considering she's got a newborn, which is really tough. And then she gets this test, and now she's like, oh my gosh, she's questioning all those positive things. It's terrible.

Yeah, I don't know if it's terrible. It's just that conversation needs to be had, not a lot of good trainers know how to have that conversation yet. To your point, it's a great selling tool for them. Most of their desired outcome is to get you on personal training sessions. So they're gonna lean whichever way

is more advantageous for selling more sessions. So, but the conversation is just simply that. It's just one more tool that we have to give, get feedback on the direction. I love it, especially when I am on like a bulk, right? And I'm putting weight on. I like to do it multiple times. And if I get multiple readings showing

that my body fat percentage is dramatically gone up, I adjust my diet. You know what though? I think you need to explain though how you do it because I've seen you do it. And you do it at the same time every day. Yeah, oh yeah. Same food, same food.

Same because I long time ago when that in embody first came out, I intentionally fucked with it in a day. I went and did it three times in a day throughout the day and I played with my water, my carbon take, the time, everything. And I could get readings that were five, seven percent different all over the place. So that's what makes them. But if you do a good job of, say, staying fasted, doing it first thing in the morning, no water, no anything, they should be pretty close

and a good gauge on, okay, I'm just adding that. Okay, I feel good, strength is going good, and then on top of that, body fat percentage is hovering around the same place. All right, I'm in a good place. If I came back and it was like dramatically off, I still wouldn't freak out. I would test again, you know,

just let's stay the course for another week. Let's test again. Does it stay on that trajectory or does it level off or go back to the other direction? So, and it's important. I think that's an important point. You control all, you're essentially doing a study on yourself, if you will,

where you're controlling all the controls. Because you want to make sure everything is the same each time you do it, so that it doesn't waver because your water intake changed, for example. But I loved it for this, so when I would get ready for, and of course, it's for someone who's competing, I think it's really helpful, right? So when I would go from switching from bulking over

to a cut, like for the show, a lot So when I would go from switching from bulking over to a cut like for the show, a lot of times I would cut a little more aggressive than I should. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to reduce, you know, 600, 700 calories and I'm starting to move more. And I'm dropping weight. Well, that's great. But then when I go and do a body fat test, you know, two weeks in a row, and I see that two weeks in a row, I have lost as much muscle as I have lost body fat test, two weeks in a row, and I see that two weeks in a row, I have lost as much muscle as I have lost body fat, that I'm not moving percentage wise, I adjust. Oh, I need a feed more. I'm cutting too much, and so I increase calories.

So if it wasn't for that, I'd have a heart, because I would definitely be looking like I'm getting smaller and leaner and heading the right direction, but because I had a resource like that that I could use that, okay, I'm probably cutting too fast and too aggressively. So I think they're useful tools. I just think that you get a client who isn't versed enough in all the other factors and variables that play into the reading of that number. And quite frankly, how you feel and strength is far more important. Yeah, and it's, you know, even with competing,

I've actually had friends that has, this has screwed them up where... Yeah, I have buddies that don't use it. I have buddies that... No, I have, I know people who have you, have gotten body fat tests and they're not using the mirror because when you're on stage, it's about how you look. And they're like, oh, my body fat's going down,

I'm doing okay, even though people are like, oh, you're not looking as sharp or, you know, it's not going down, but I'm looking really good. I'm gonna get, I'm gonna cut more aggressive and it screws with them. I think it's really important to understand kind of what you're explaining. You gotta look at a lot of different things.

Yeah, no, I'm using steps and what I've been training consistently. I'm taking all, and that's why I like it because it's just one more piece of data arguing all of the methods together. Yeah, that's relatively close. Yes, it can be manipulated, but if you do, if you tease out a lot of things that will make it a huge difference, like if you're inconsistently tracking your water

and you test that thing one day on a Monday at noon and then another time at seven o'clock at night and think that the carbon tank and the water intake difference is not going to change that you're a fool. It's going to manipulate that machine. And so you have to be consistent. You have to at least tease out the things that are definitely going to germinate. I've just seen more people get messed up by those tests than not. That's all.

I've just seen more people come to me and be like, my God, I was doing so good. My performance is good. My clothes fit good, or the reverse. Wow, I thought I was gaining so much body fat, but it says I got leaner. I'm like, well, you did gain body fat. Your average person isn't gonna consider

all those other metrics. It messes with their head. Yeah, no, it's gonna look at it straight up. Oh no, I'm gaining fat. Yeah, that's what happened to her. Yeah, I don't think it's a great tool for the average person who doesn't know how, I mean, but for a coach, it's a phenomenal tool. I loved it.

I loved having a body fat test. That's a good point. Having someone like you decipher it through all the other metrics and controls makes sense. Yeah. It's no different than a doctor using some of the tools that he has to get to the bottom if you're healthy or not. It doesn't mean like the blood pressure reading isn't the end all be all if you're healthy or not.

But I can pretty much throw out half the time. Yeah. It's just another thing that you have to be careful of. And I do think this is very common that even the scale. So I was looking for either one. She was going to tell me she doesn't do body fat tests and she's just using the scale as her thing or she does some, you know, you know, what do you call the digital. Electronic impedance.

Yeah, the electronic impedance type of machine that is, you know, what do you call the digital... Electronic impedance. Yeah, the electronic impedance. And type of machine that is, you know, easily manipulated up or down. Our next caller is Lex from Georgia. Hey, what's up Lex, how can we help you? So I originally was just gonna give you a little bit of my background and then ask y'all what maps program to get,

but I got a little impatient and I went ahead and bought the starter bundle. Okay. So I'm currently doing about to go into phase two of antibiotic and also doing the no-6 back, no BS6 back formula. So I guess really my question would be how to format the programs,

and select the foundational workouts and trigger workouts from anabolic with the Novabias and then maybe where to go from there. Yeah, that's it. Okay, so I'm glad you asked that because I actually designed both programs to be to work together, right? So in Maps and a Bolic, you have the option of doing between two to three foundational workouts a week. In the no BS6 pack formula, same thing. You can do two to three foundational workouts a week. Now the no BS6 pack formula for people watching focuses entirely on the core, building the

muscles of the course. They're more visible, even at higher body fat percentages. Both programs also have trigger sessions on the off days. And trigger sessions are these really short eight to 10 minute low intensity workouts, typically done with bands or body weight. And what you're doing is just kind of trying to get a little bit of a burn, a little bit of a pump, send a small muscle building signal. So a lot of people ask this question, how do I do both programs?

Well, here's what you do. You alternate the foundational workouts of each. So Monday, Maps on a Bolic foundational workout, Tuesday, no BS six pack foundational workout, Wednesday, Maps on a Bolic foundational workout, and so on. Then on the foundational workouts, days of Maps on a Bolic, you do trigger sessions from the no BS6 pack formula. And on the foundational workout days of the no BS6 pack formula, you do trigger sessions for maps and a ball. So every day or most days, you're doing a foundational workout from one of the programs and trigger sessions for the other program. Does that make sense? Yeah, definitely. I've been doing, I would say, a version of that.

I have too many questions of that's okay. Yeah, go for it. So one would be, so like today, I did a foundational antibiotic workout in the morning and then this evening, I'm gonna do one trigger session from the no BS You would that suffice? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that's good That's absolutely great at least one trigger session a day, right on those off days is good Now you can do up to three and I'll I can't stress this enough and I tell people this all the time

And I really think people overlook this aspect of especially MAPs and Obolic. The trigger sessions, especially when you do them frequently, two or three times a day on the off days, make a huge difference. It's like a turbocharger to your body. So mess around with that a little bit. So what you might do is MAPs and Obolic

foundational workout in the morning, and then at the end of it, do a little trigger session for the no BS6 pack formula. And then in the afternoon, do another trigger session from the no BS6 pack formula, and then at night, do a third trigger session. Try that out. Remember, keep the intensity low on those trigger sessions.

And then literally, not exaggerating, Lex, within three or four days, you should notice a difference in your strength and how things are feeling and looking. They're that effective. So give that a shot. It doesn't take up a lot of space and time. Like I said, there are about eight minutes long each. You could do them kind of anywhere.

See how your body feels. As far as where to go next to, we wrote them in this order to go from anabolic to performance to aesthetic. So that would be the ideal sequence of the program. So after you're done with anabolic to move into performance. Absolutely. Do you have performance?

No, I don't. I just, I got the star bundle. So it has, you know, great position down there. Great place to start by the way, too. Yeah. So go buy a mass performance, Namjom. We're going to send that over to you for free. Okay. And I appreciate you signing up for the way too. Yeah, so go buy Maps performance, now I'm just kidding. We're gonna send that over to you for free, okay? And I appreciate you signing up for the starter bundle.

That's actually a great place to get going. For people who don't know, the starter bundle includes map starter, maps and a ballic, maps prime, and then the intuitive nutrition guide. Not starter, just anabolic and prime. Oh, anabolic and prime, that's right. Now how are you doing with the nutrition aspect of it? Have you gotten to the intuitive nutrition guide?

Yeah, no, I've definitely read the whole thing. That's, to be honest with you, that's a whole other can of worms for me. The very short version would be that I used to do a lot of working out and high endurance, like so not for strength and a deficit all the time. So I've switched gears completely, because I'm like anybody else that follows y'all.

I listen y'all five hours a day, just catching up on all your episodes while I'm working. But anyway, I'm loving the strength gains. The trigger sessions do exactly what you set. I mean, y'all, y'all are 100% right on all the stuff y'all preach. The only problem I'm struggling with is because I'm eating more and doing less caloric burn type exercises.

I had a good core and it's starting to actually disappear even though I'm doing the stuff we just discussed. So my recommendation, and have you tracked like your steps by chance in the day, do you know how much you're moving? I track everything. Okay, so give me an idea of what you're moving in a day, like what's an average day for you as far as steps. So now since I started with the all those programs, it's 10,000 steps.

It used to be more and then depending on what I'm doing for my I work on a farm. So sometimes it's heavy step day, sometimes not, but definitely average is 10,000. So I lowered that tremendously, stopped doing cardio, except once or twice in the weekend. So one of the one of the one of the things I do with a client when this happens, when we switch somebody from like moving so much and probably running and training endurance and burning a ton of calories, and then we're switching over to kind of speed the metabolism up and build muscle and they're getting the straight gains. But if we start to see that we're adding body fat a little bit faster, like I

expect you to give put a little bit on, but I also don't want that to get out of control because the idea is that we just put lean mass on for the most part, even though it's inevitable, we're gonna put a little bit of body fat on. If I get feedback from my client that it's a little more than we would like, and if I start to notice it too, then what I'll normally do is just have them either one,

we'll reduce calorie, and this has to do with, if I think you're in a good calorie place. So if I think for your size, you're in a pretty good calorie place, then I might restrict a couple hundred calories a day and pull back and tiny bit. If I think I want to get you up higher calories, you're still not in a good place for your site. I might add movement, but not high endurance, high, like, explode, not just walking.

Like I just, hey, okay, if we're averaging 10,000, let's average 12,000 steps, or let's be aware of the days that you're not working out on the farm and you're more sedentary. And let's make sure you're active on those days to make up for the discrepancy from the other days. So those are two kind of options. Either one, we can, and you can do a blend of the two. We could go, let's just move a little bit more and then also maybe cut back a tiny bit on calories. The only reason why I don't like to cut back on calories was someone like you, if you were a chronic under eater

and over trainer, I don't wanna go, if you're under 2000 calories, I definitely don't want you lower than that. But if you're eating 3000 calories, I could take 200 calories a day for me to be fine. Yeah, what do you at? Do you know how many calories you're eating right now? Yeah, so I've been trying to eat 3,000, and I believe I don't know unless people are struggling to eat.

I'm actually the whole reason I'm doing kind of switching gears and doing the all those programs and eating regimen is because I was hungry all the time. And I just got tired of it. So I'm trying to eat 3,000, but I have those issues that like, I'll wake up, the scale will say something more, and then I'll eat tremendously less for the bad day, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I would say maybe get rid of the scale for a little bit. That can mess with people's heads. So let's not look at the scale, kind of judge

on how you feel, your performance. Waste circumference is pretty good. Weight can fluctuate quite a bit. I mean, I can gain four pounds of water in a day, just basically. Especially if you're a good sized guy. Yeah, I don't know how big you are, but if you're over at all 200 pounds or around there, you could easily fluctuate seven to nine pounds. Oh, yeah.

But, you know, waste circumference, that's a little bit better. That can measure your body fat a little bit more accurately But yeah, don't look at the scales much. I can mess you up because you know that would do that to me too in the reverse, right? I was trying to gain it's like I found myself Subconsciously increasing my intake of like high sodium foods because it would make the scale go up And I oh this this particular meal makes me gain weight so get rid of the scale a little bit and kind of listen to your body, see how you feel. And you can always cut calories down a little bit if you feel like you're putting on body fat a little bit too fast. But it does sound like you're trying

to speed up your metabolism. And in which case I'd say you're for the most part in the right direction. Can I ask you one small quite so if this is a three for it, like my my six flash eight pack. Yeah, I sound like an asshole, but that's what I had. And it's disappearing, but the weight isn't actually changing. Like I can, all right. So I'm five non and I stay between one 50 and 155. Okay.

But so the, I'm still there, but I mean I mean, my core is without a doubt disappearing, but I feel better in other areas because of the strength. Yes, I don't know. So keep this in mind, too. Okay, so right away when you increase calories, you increase carbohydrates, you increase sodium, your body's naturally gonna hold on to a little water.

So if you're kinda hovering around the same weight and yeah, you look a little bit softer maybe in the midsection, I would guess that a lot of that is just a little bit of water retention that you know, I bet you if I just made you not eat for two days and pull back on water, I bet that those abs would pop right out. And that normally tells me that you're just kind of holding on to a little bit of extra water based off the probably the carbon take sodium intake and water you're into. Are you stronger? Definitely. Well, the thing is, I didn't do legs for a long time

because of injuries and stuff. And not only am I doing it now, but it's the list, the all love, which is the compound lift. So I'm starting to lose sort of some of the machinists from my stomach down and starting to gain really quick, I mean, it's only been two and a half weeks. Oh, dude, you're on fire, bro, especially if you're stronger, you're doing good. And if you had the process.

And you said you had like an eight pack, like you were shredded. Yeah, I got down to, like I said, I was, I was, you know, always eating in a deficit. And I've gone through all those problems that, you a lot of people on your you know that y'all Talk to orthorexia body dysmorphia. I'm trying to improve. Oh, dude, but maybe maybe maybe send salad naked picture in his Dums don't do that. Don't do that. I know he's always trying to get that friend listen You're going times it'll happen. You're going in the right direction Now that you said that it may everything's to make sense. Get rid of the scale, stop obsessing about your eight pack. You were shredded before, you probably need to gain a little bit of body fat

to gain muscle and strength. Stop weighing yourself and see if you can move in the direction of focusing on performance. It's going to direct you much better than looking at your abs and weighing yourself on the scale. Get strong, man. You're doing good. Gosh, I appreciate that.

No problem. We'll send math performance over to you. Thank you so much. And I know you're busy people, and I'd love to give a whole speech. But I basically just want to say that you'll do so much for people all the time. I mean, you've already done so much for me already.

Anyway, I long story short, I'm a citrus farmer here in Georgia and we have eight different varieties of citrus and come harvest time this fall. If y'all are cool with it, obviously I'll talk to y'all later. I'd love to see y'all box fruit. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I love that. Especially citrus. You're talking to a tie and, you know, son of immigrants. You kidding me. So it by the way, thanks for what you do, you know, the work that you do. I mean, you feed, you help feed the country. So I appreciate what you're doing as well. Oh, thank you. No problem. Thanks, Lugs. All right, thank you all. It's like the mind games. That's the big thing. Well, that's some of the people. The theme today, right? The theme has been kind of that. Sounds like we've had several people

that are actually doing pretty damn good, exactly. I mean, it's crazy, right? It's only two weeks in, feeling stronger, already noticing that. Ligs are building. Yeah, legs are building, but because you got a little bit of, they still have the right people around them,

convincing them that everything's going well. Yeah, and if you take somebody, by the way, too, who's walking around with an A-pack, I've talked about this before in the show, like when you get really, really lean like that, the slightest adjustment or change in calories, water, anything with that completely change. It's crazy. Do you go up, you, if you're a 6% body fat and you go up 1% body fat, it's noticeable. It's drastic. You're a 12% body fat. You go up 1% you can't even tell. Yeah. And that keeps getting, you're at 15%,

and you change two or three percent, you can't even really tell. He's just started transforming to a whole different direction. So he's gotta give himself some time to really adapt and see that. Yeah, now he sounds like he's doing great. It's just exactly what Sal alluded to. I mean, a lot of this is up in your head.

I mean, you're gonna have a little bit softer of a midsection, you increase calories like that. And you switch from burning as much as you were burning for sure. But totally. Sounds like he's doing great. And that's where I want someone to be, right? So he's actually in the perfect place that I want a client in this situation is I don't want the scale to move. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to wait to really move. But we're stronger. But we're stronger. Adding more calories and and you're moving less. Holy are you kidding me? Yeah, like that is like It's all gonna happen. That means we're like literally right on track. We just got to be patient Our next caller is Catherine from Virginia. Hey Catherine. How can we help you? Hi Kathy?

Hey, so I am pregnant. I'm doing November and I'm also police officer. So my question is going to be how can I come back from pregnancy, obviously, having just delivered a kid, but then also go right into a very physically demanding position where my physical fitness is going to be, you know, it could be life and death for me or for somebody else. When do you guys recommend? Yeah, no, what are we doing right now? So right now I'm still able to lift, do plenty of conditioning. I'm running maps aesthetic right now. I'm in phase two, then doing that for about a year. And I just keep making progress, I've stayed on it.

I'm doing sprints, well, once or twice a week, about one to 200 meters, doing some stairs, sprints, doing some tire flips, trying to keep that conditioning up, and then able to keep up with the priming as I need to and then core activation work. Yeah, you're a bad... Yeah, pretty sure you're gonna be all right. You're a bad ass. First of all, thank you very much for what you do. You're good people like you protecting other people's couple of years. Really, especially last couple of years. So thanks for what you do and thanks

for listening to show. So most of the work that happens postpartum is actually what happens before you get pregnant and while you're pregnant because you're really setting your body up well for a nice bounce back afterwards. Now that being said, I do wanna say this, there's definitely a challenge that I've trained lots and lots of women pre-during in post pregnancy and I've trained a lot of women who were very athletic

and very fit going into it and then coming out and here's the challenge I was running into. They almost always overestimate their ability postpartum. So here's the main thing that I want you to consider. Okay, your entire body is gonna maintain lots of strength, fitness, and yes, you're gonna have a baby and a lot of stuff. But one part of your body is gonna radically change and radically change its recruitment pattern.

And that has to do with the muscles of the core, okay? Especially in the third trimester of pregnancy, as the baby is really growing, it's stretching things out, your transverse abdominis stretches out, your abs, stretch, you're gonna lose connection to these muscles, or at least in comparison to the way that you were connected to them before. Then you have the baby and you go to work out. This is what happens to a lot of people.

Is they go work out and they're going slow and they're like, you know what, I feel good. And they can't figure out why their back is hurting or they can't figure out why their hips are bothering. They're like, you know, I feel strong. It's really weird. Like I'm using a weight that's light, but my back is starting to bother me or my hips are starting to bother me. Like what's going on. It's all about that core recruitment. So the program I'm going to recommend places special emphasis on connecting to those muscles and especially connecting

to those muscles through other movements. And that's going to be a map starter. Now the reason why I set this question up or the answer up the way I'm doing it is because someone as fit as you, as competitive as you, is going to go into map starter and you're going to think, oh, this is easy. It's too easy. I can go harder. Don't do that. Go map starter. Trust the program because what it's doing is it's trying as you follow the program, a lot of work on a physio ball, a lot of slow work. What you're going to do is you're going to reintegrate your core with the rest of your body. After map starter, depending on how you feel, you could go into maps and a ball, you might

even be able to go into maps aesthetic, but do a whole cycle of map starter as soon as you're clear to work out. So, like Sal, we've all had lots of experienced training clients, like yourself in the exact situation you are. And I'll tell you that the question that you have is not going to be your problem and challenge. You are the type of person who I have to tell to calm down and like be okay with, we might have to cut back on some things, be okay with, we might get a little softer

for a little bit or a little weaker for a little bit. That's okay. You are absolutely crushing it. The fact that you are adding sprints and tire flips in maps aesthetic and your pregnant right now, you are on pace to crush it. And you can absolutely, so long as your body is feeling and doing well, continue that on.

I've had clients train pretty hard all the way up into the final month. So long as you are feeling good and everything is fine, then you can continue on that pace. And like Sal said, the real work is done right now. I mean, you're obviously gonna have a little bit of downtime right after you have your baby. But if you go into that pretty strong,

you're gonna rebound really quick. But then the tendency that someone like you has is wanting to get right back into it as fast you can. It's totally the mindset, like, reestablishing stability and connection to your core, like afterwards is going to be at the utmost importance. So if you can highlight that as, you know, the priority, you know, transitioning again

to reestablishing that you feel like your body is nice and supported. Then we can start getting back into that sort of get an after it mode. Talking to you is like talking to one of ourselves. I mean, we can relate to this. This is how we all, when I tore my Achilles, this is the issue. I want to get back to myself. And so as soon as I start feeling pretty good, I'm stretching the boundaries. Katrina was the same way after her pregnancy,

she wanted to get right into it right away. I remember wrestling with her about just staying starter. I know you, I'm already feeling good. Can we get to Annabelle? Just relax, you're not, you didn't lose a bunch of muscle, you're still in great shape. It's gonna come back just as fast, relax. So that is actually the conversation I feel.

I can tell by your voice, I can tell by what you're doing already. Muscle memory is real, you know, it's all gonna come back. Yeah, you're gonna be good, man. You are already kicking ass right now, and you're doing the hard part, which I think we get a lot of people that are already deep into pregnancy or already had a baby,

and then they're like, what should I do now? And they haven't done any training for the last nine months plus. You've been maintaining that, you're gonna be just fine, follow starter after the baby, stick it all the way through, even though you're gonna feel like you can get into anabok, that's okay,

you're still gonna progress in that program and then move back into like a couple of months. Yeah, you know, Katherine, the challenge with being, for lack of a better term, disconnected from certain muscles, is you almost can't tell. It's almost like you can't tell that you're disconnected. You're like, I feel okay, but it's literally you're not connected to that muscle.

I can't, I remember I had a client who she was a competitive soccer player. She played, you know, division one soccer and then she was into fitness and same thing. And then after she had the baby, she's like, I feel great, I feel like I can go wrong. Let's go. And I said, no, you're not connected to your core and we had kind of this debate. And I had her get down into a vacuum position.

So all fours. And I said, I want you to do a vacuum. And she sat there and she's like, I can't. I can't bring it in. Like it's hard to understand what it feels like to be disconnected from a muscle, but it's really hard to tell. So you got to kind of trust the process, but if you do, you're going to do great. You're going to do really, really good, but try not to overdo it, okay?

Awesome. We'll do. Yeah, we'll send that over to you and keep getting those bad guys, okay? Yeah. Thanks so much, guys. Can I please just compliment you on your professionalism? I've watched this organization and go over the past couple years I've been so impressed by the integrity of y'all's work and what you're putting together So thanks thanks for doing the good work and putting out a great product. We really appreciate it. Oh, thank you so much Awesome. Thank you Thanks guys. Yeah, this this happened to Jessica. She's you know, she's obviously fit strong Had the baby now. She had a C-section, so that had another complication.

I could tell as soon as she started, bro. She starts working out, and she's already getting after it. And she's like, my back, it's weird. Why is my back bothering? Honey, you're not, your core is not firing the way it used to. We have to get that back, get on the physio ball. I literally took a 10 and 15 pound dumbbell. I said, you can't get any heavier than this.

And she started doing it in low and behold, everything started feeling. Well, the thing that I had to explain to Katrina was, and it was hard for her, because we had a very similar challenge. Same thing, she trained most all the way through the entire pregnancy, had to take a few weeks off right after the baby, and then was right back in it, and she wanted to go ride an anabolic,

and I'm like, no, we're going and starter. And then after the first week, she was already like, okay, I'm feeling good, I'm ready for anabolic and I'm like, no, we're going in starter. And then after the first week, she was already like, okay, I'm feeling good, I'm ready for anabolic. I'm like, no. And the thing that I try to explain to her too is that if you're getting results from starter, right? That's minimal volume in comparison to anabolic, why would we go to anabolic?

There's no reason too. I mean, the way we, and I said, you know this, you hear me say it on the show a fucking thousand times. Our goal is to do as little as possible to list at the most amount of change. So if you're telling me you're progressing, you're getting stronger, you're feeling better, we coover weak, why would we jump out of this program and move into more just because you can do more? Don't why?

So and someone like this is more like us more like a boss. I can only imagine if it was me, I would be a hard head. It would be hard. Yeah, I know. I have to, I mean, imagine if it was me, I would be a hard head. It would be hard to get me to do the same thing. I know, I have to, and that's the only fair that we admit that as we talked about this, like I feel so passionate about it and close to it because I know I have this, I'm guilty the same bullshit. I mean, I'm dealing with it right now.

I was, we had some momentum going. I felt so good, I hit it so hard and heavy. And now my elbow hurts, my shoulder hurts, my hip hurts. Why? Because I was pushing it, and overreaching. Yeah, yeah. This is, this is the value of having a coach sometimes to tell you to pull back. Oh, total walk you down. Now look, if you like our information,

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