Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1616: How to Use Dumbbells to Build Your Quads, Combining Barbell Squats & Deadlifts in the Same Workout, the Benefits of Lifting Barefoot & More

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about when to use a resistance bands, whether squats with dumbbells are as effective as barbell squats for targeting the quads, the pros or cons of combining barbell squats and barbell deadlifts in the same workout, and whether lifting barefoot is more beneficial in any way. It looks like Adam has got an artist on his hands. (4:33) The things the guys miss most about working at gyms. (9:47) Mind Pump’s worst gym disasters seen. (14:55) You are not taking my bacon! (20:25) The troubling trends surrounding the housing market and the economy. (26:27) Carol Hooven is under some heat. (39:04) Why expertise is important when it comes to hormone replacement therapy. (40:38) Mind Pump Weekend Update. (43:54) Justin’s theory on world power. (49:20) #Quah question #1 – When should you use a resistance band? (52:25) #Quah question #2 – In your opinion, are squats with dumbbells as effective as barbell squats for targeting the quads? (59:14) #Quah question #3 – Can you put barbell squats and barbell deadlifts in the same workout? Or is it better to keep them on separate days? (1:01:56) #Quah question #4 – Is lifting barefoot more beneficial in any way? Or should I stick to my favorite shoes? (1:06:22) Related Links/Products Mentioned August Promotion: MAPS Strong and MAPS Powerlift 50% off!  **Promo code “AUGUSTSPECIAL” at checkout** California Proposition Passed 3 Years Ago Could Create Pork Shortage Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! The US is facing a shortage of nearly 4 million homes as builders struggle to meet exploding demand Mind Pump #1580: Economy Crash 2021 With Peter Linneman Beyond Meat boss: Tax on negative impacts 'does appeal' Havard professor Carole Hooven who refused to use term ‘pregnant people’ rather than ‘woman’ is accused of transphobia Mind Pump #1610: Testosterone… The Hormone That Divides Men & Women With Carole Hooven MP Hormones Mind Pump #1607: How To Optimize Your Hormones With Dr. Rand McClain Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Rubberbanditz Resistance Band Set MAPS Fitness Anabolic | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Peter Schiff (@PeterSchiff)  Twitter Carole Hooven (@hoovlet)  Twitter

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We opened up by talking about Adam Sun playing the drums for the first time and showing some talent. Oh yeah, finally, somebody to play with. Then we talk about things we miss about working in gyms. It's not stuff you would normally think about. Then we talk about some gym disasters, stories of things that we've seen in the gyms. Then we talked about the pork shortage that California may be causing. Ugh!

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Adam thinks that the economy will never dip, and he explains why. Then we talk about the home shortage. Adam thinks that the economy will never dip and he explains why Then we talk about Carol Hoven somebody that we recently interviewed now making mainstream news because of baloney controversy Then we talked about people who are on TRT that's testosterone replacement therapy or hormone treatments how they should probably try to get a second opinion or hormone treatments, how they should probably try to get a second opinion from one of our favorite places, Dr. Rand McClain at regenerative and sport medicine. By the way, all you need to do is go to MP, so it's a letter M is a Mary, P hormones.com, we have it all set up for you, go there, set up an assessment or an evaluation, they're really, really good.

Then we talked about our weekend. My weekend in particular, I enjoyed Mimosas with my wife, but I didn't feel like crap because I drank Zbiotics beforehand. Zbiotics is a genetically modified probiotic drink designed to reduce the negative effects of alcohol and it works. It really, really works. Go check them out. Head over to zbiotics.com.

That's zbiotics.com forward slash mine pump. Use the code mind pump 10 for 10% off your first order. And then Justin brings up a new conspiracy theory. Wooo! Good stuff. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know the best time

to use resistance bands. The next question. This person wants to know the best time to use resistance bands. The next question, this person wants to know if squats with dumbbells or kettlebells can be as effective as those done with a barbell. The third question, this person wants to know if you can do barbell squats and barbell deadlifts in the same workout or should you keep them separate. And the final question, this person wants to know

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T-shirt time! And it's T-shirt time. Oh, shit! You know it's my favorite time of the week. We have two big winners today. One from Apple Podcast, one for Facebook. The Apple Podcast winner is the big hurt 23 and for Facebook Justin Riggins. Both of you are winners. Send a name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com,

include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. By the way, really easy to win this. Just leave a review on iTunes or head over to our Facebook page. Leave a five star review, make it a good one, and then if we pick it, you'll win a free limited edition mind pump t-shirt. Do we got the green light? Yeah. That's like, he's gonna love hanging out with my son,

bro, I tell you, my son's destined to be. What if I had the, if he wants to be like a jock rocker. Yeah, you got, you got artists on your hands. And then what if I had the if he wants to be like a jock rocker. Yeah, you got you got artists on your hands And then what if I had the athlete? How weird would that be? I'll be weird dude My son's like You like help my kid out and I don't know just some help yours out. No matter how much I try Here push the the sport the basketball football golf baseball thing. I mean we got it all

He's just drawn to music, man. I could not believe he took the drums like water. We were at Katrina's mom's house. We were celebrating the new backyard. We just got done and they had a live band there and everything. And Katrina said he was like, he kept going over to the equipment. And you know, people are with their stuff. Like, you don't want somebody else's random two-year-old

grabbing your guitar or your... So she kept just like, having to get him and finally the guy's like, no, no, it's okay, go ahead and let him. I have a nephew and he's not interested in it at all. So it's cute to see some kid that's interested. He walks over, first time ever in person seeing a drum set like that, grabs the stick

and just starts playing, dude. I know, yeah. I know you showed us the video. Yeah, that grabs the stick and just starts playing, dude. I know, yeah. I know you showed us the video. Yeah, that, that just looks like a true fit, dude. He was actually holding them well. Oh yeah, do it, yeah, do it all of them. Not just like hitting on one, like symbol. Yeah.

Oh my. Hit the snare. And I've said it since the beginning, right? So like still to this day, I can't get him to sit still for 30 minutes watching his favorite cartoon. But he will watch music videos for hours until he falls asleep. Like that's one of the ways that he falls asleep with. The only shame is that you have him listen to country all the time. We got to experience it over genres. I sure should don't want him listening to the hip

hop stuff that's out there right now. Definitely don't want to influence it with that way. And he's just, I tried to play some hard rock and maybe some classic rock to see if he gets into it. He'll listen to some of it. He's like, he likes Justin Timberlake too. So he's a little into some poppy stuff like that. Little Michael Jackson, he liked a little bit. There's some rockabillion there. But he loves, I think what he loves about country

is the instruments. Oh, really? Yeah, I think he loves it. I don't like this country music, but I like the sentiment. That's always very good. You know what I mean? Good messages, what am I saying?

Army people. Would you think I was meant? I don't know what you meant, but sentiment. That's it. I didn't know where you were going with me. What that was like our exercise today. You guys started to give me a succession. I'm like, what?

What are you talking about? Is this some kind of rock formation? Everybody gets a sponge, sponge, Bob, Michael Jordan, and all of a sudden like that. Yeah, so people don't even know this, right? So once a week we have somebody who comes in and does improv training with us to help us be better on the show. I thought we should be audience. Did we tell them? I thought it was mine. That was Justin's suggestion. I thought it was brilliant. And it's great. It's a lot of fun. It's funny.

It's challenging. Now, do you guys have a favorite exercise that we do of all the ones that we do? I mean, I like the latest one where you do in the press conference, so you're kind of looting to, yeah, that's one of my favorites. Just because you don't know what is going on. And it's like you have to kind of like feed off

the questions to be able to put it all together. I don't know. I like it. That's one of my favorite. Dude, so this morning I'm working out right and Andrew's in here working out with us. He's the guy producing our YouTube videos and he's doing, did you see him doing tricep press downs? I was not watching.

Look like a horse kicked the back of his arm. Oh, yeah. He's got a nice little horseshoe. I was just telling him though, I said, I said, you've been really consistently, I said, yeah, I know I'm trying to. He's following strong right now. Yeah, yep, yep. And he's doing good.

I was watching him do the high pulls, he's doing, you know, extras like, damn, this is impressive. And then I realized something, we got a badass team here. So let's run down the list here. Chokey's strong as hell. Yeah.

So it was Olivia. Olivia are intern strong as hell. Then we got Gio, he's a brown belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Eli is, I think purple or brown belt, or almost there in Jiu-Jitsu. Like we got some bad asses. We're training for media wars. There's one rule though that I told them,

and I'm sure you guys support, like you can get strong and all that stuff. If you surpass any of the owners, you're strength, you're fired immediately. Yeah. We don't allow that. We're gonna cut you. Our egos won't let you do that. No, but it was cool.

It's cool to see everybody like really kicking ass. Yeah, there's something in the water right now. I think everybody's been pretty consistent. This is the most consistent, the four of us all at the same time, right? We tend to all have like our moments where one of us is more consistent than the other, but I'd say this is the most consistent everybody's been. Yeah, the benefits of consistency

besides obviously physical benefits, I think the main ones are mental. I don't know if you guys noticed that, but the more consistent you are with your training, just the more consistently your mood is positive, I would say. Oh yeah, the energy's totally different, and yeah, I feed off that. Plus like to a memory recall for me is so much better when I'm physically active.

Is that weird? Yeah. Well, it's not weird. Once you know the science. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. Once you know the science, but it's 100% true. This is why artists, writers, musicians, when they get block, when they have writers block or they're stuck, what do they always do?

Yeah, they go for walk or move. Move, yeah. They got to move her, yeah. Absolutely. Now speaking of good energy, so I'm, you know, getting my, my dude done by Vicki or awesome barber, and she plays great music, right? So 90s hip-hop, so I'm listening to it and bone thug.

She's a favorite. I'm her bone thug. Oh, yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm not gonna do it. Sorry. Okay, I love them, right? They were great.

I love that era, but I'm listening to music and then we're talking about music and she's talking about how she's cutting hair for 10 hours a day and it's really important to kind of music that you play. And then it made me think like, there's definitely things I miss about managing gyms that I didn't realize that were, that I would ever miss, right?

So obviously I'm not in a gym working out all the time. Yeah, you're gonna miss that, all that stuff. But one of the main things I miss is music being on in the background all the time. Yeah, no, that's true. It's a good point. Plus you get exposed to a lot of music you normally wouldn't listen to,

because I don't even listen to radio. That used to be the thing, is a radio just is littered with stupid commercials and like COVID information you've heard drilled into your brain of 1,000 million times. So I turn radio off. I'm just listening to my own playlist. I'm so sick of it.

Yeah, there's not a lot of professions that allow you to listen to music all day. All day. Yeah. It was always on in the background to the point where, especially in the background to the point where, especially in the early days, when the music was being piped in through, this was the early days of satellite, and then there was radio before that.

You would hear some of the same songs come on. Now if I hear certain songs, it'll literally take me back to a time when I managed gyms. Like I'll hear a specific song, and I'll remember working the front desk, you know, at Hillsdale, which is a location in 24, or I'm training a particular client. But I miss that.

I miss music in the background all the time, because I don't think I realized how much of an impact that had on positivity and mood and productivity, just having that on in the background. Well, I imagine the music that they're choosing in Jim's tours, upbeat and positive. Of course.

The opposite could happen too, right? If you're listening to the right-wing. Play sad music all the time. Yeah, sad music or angry music all the time. I would think that would have been a matching people to do cardio to sad music. Yeah. I feel that's what's playing though.

You know what I say? But I get on the, so I feel it's playing in my head. Whoa. You want a sad country man. You know what I'm saying? Because you're killing the fat. Yeah, that's what's going on. No, but I missed that. Is there anything that you guys miss from working in the gym

that you... The competitive atmosphere? Yeah, that's true. I love that. That was my favorite. My favorite was... Could you look at people, do I have to say it? Oh, yeah, that's true.

Wait, hold on a second. What do you mean you missed that? I'm just saying. Take a look around. Forget you guys. Let's see what we're going to do. You're saying, okay, so other people. So specifically, good looking, not us. Yes, that's what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. I felt that the gym atmosphere, and I wasn't ready for it to be that way, was a lot like team sports. I felt a lot of parallels to the competitive atmosphere with that, right?

You have a team together, even though you guys are somewhat competitors when you think about it, trainers are all fishing from the same pond, but yet there's a team aspect of it that you're not competitive with them. So very similar to what that's like when you're playing a sport, you guys practice every day against each other to get better at what you guys do. You all have a common goal, right? So the GM or the fitness manager is driving the team towards a common goal, getting everybody to move in the same direction,

the same challenge there is with getting sports. There's always the outliers that are paying the ass, like building people up and developing them. There's so much of the sport and team aspect that I felt played into working in it. It was, it was very competitive. It was also dynamic because when you're running a gym, people are constantly coming in and out.

So it's never static. It's not like working in an office. I've worked in offices for very short periods of time. I didn't last because I couldn't stand it. But they tend to be static. Same people, same thing. Gems are never like that. There's definitely trends and things you see,

but so many people are in and out. Stuff is happening all the time. It's also why this is one thing I miss, but I also don't miss. You need a lot of energy working in a gym. It just doesn't work to go in there and be chill. You're just always go, go, go. Here's something else I really missed. That it's hilarious.

I'm sure makes sense once I say it. I missed the intercom. I missed being able to get on the intercom. Is this here yourself? I, no. You got this stuff, bro. I still hear myself. No, I feel like we've been to a gym

and then like the first thing Sal did was win. Like, oh, tension. Yeah, did. A tension. I can hear myself. Oh, I know. Oh, you right now. And I can hear myself. I'm healthy right now. I used to have so much fun on the intercom. Like, I used to love selling apparel supplements

and then saying shit to make my staff laugh on the intercom. It was one of my favorite things. Did you guys do the intercom? I did, I messed around with it, but I didn't have the same infatuation with it. Oh, I had a thing. I had it. I had it.

But it makes total sense. You're also the one that listens to the podcast, the the most too. So you're the most consistent with that. That's for you guys. That's true. I believe that. I've 100% believe that. That's not true at all. You know what else I kind of miss? I kind of miss the excitement of like having to call and it sounds fucked up. Ambulances and police. Oh God. Well, I mean, when you're, listen, when you're running a gym. At least look, okay, let me ask you a question.

You guys manage clubs. How often would you have to call an ambulance or police on a regular basis? Yeah, I mean, it's once a week. Yeah, probably once a week. It's kind of fascinating. It's out. I mean, it's, it's you're journaling.

I mean, I actually never liked that. I mean, I was always nervous that I was gonna have to go try and save somebody. I didn't like a sea of adrenaline. I actually never liked that. I mean, I was always nervous that I was gonna have to go try and save somebody. I didn't like the pressure of that. I didn't like the pressure of somebody could pass out right next to me. I never had to do CPR, luckily, but I most certainly dreaded the thought

of having somebody's lives being in my head. I've seen a few people drop on the treadmill and just like, they fired off. Cool, yeah, I was like, that was not pleasant to watch. Dude, I saw a lady get fired on the treadmill and just the... Get fired off. Cool, yeah, it was like, that was not pleasant to watch. Dude, I saw a lady get fired off the treadmill because I think she was hitting the wrong button. I've told a story a long time, I think. She was hitting the button and she was hitting speed up.

Not slow down. And you know how, No, no, no, no. Yes. So old school treadmills, they're better now. They're much more responsive now. And now they have where you attach something to your clothes. So if you get too far away, it automatically turns it off.

But the old school treadmills is back in 1998, 1999 when I'm first run. You had to hit the stop button, and if you didn't, I don't give a shit what you're doing. That thing's gonna keep running, and they're strong. And so this woman was on there, and I could see here, because back then, one of the first clubs I worked in, the front desk was here and the cardio was right over there

across the way. And I was, you know, you watch the cardio, you check people in, I'm a trainer, I'm trying to get people to set up goal assessments and stuff like that. And I see this lady and she's, this older Asian woman and big glasses and she's walking on the treadmill,

but I'm noticing she's walking like, I don't know if she can keep up with that speed. And I see her doing this, like, hitting the button and she's going faster. And I'm like, oh shit, she's hitting the... Trying to make up for it with the swivel. She, yeah, she's hitting the speed up button. And so she starts to lose her and I yell across,

hit someone hit the stop button and people, by the way, I've seen many people go down on treadmills and fall off cardio, nobody helps them ever. People continue doing cardio, I've seen it happen like 10 times, nobody stops, they look over, and they keep doing the thing. Wow, that sucks for you. So I'm yelling, like, hit the stop button, hit the stop button, and she fucking loses her footing, but here's the worst part, She held on, so she held on.

And the treadmill is still running, and it's pulling her pants off. It's fucking... Oh my God. Oh yeah, dude. Finally, so it's like, was this a Hillsdale? This Hillsdale.

The old one. This is before they redid it. Oh, the old one. This one they had Racka Ball and they had a Women's Jet. Because there's only a few options once you know you're gonna eat shit, right? Dude, it's like I've seen where the feet are getting lazy

and they stop and then it's, boo, she face plant, right on the treadmill. She held on for a good three seconds. I start running over there. It's pulling her, her workout pants off or whatever. And then she let's go and then it fires her off into the wall and I was like, wow, that was hilarious. So she was okay though.

At Hillsdale, I watched a Tourette's kid get launched and bounced off of the group X room because they had the last row of treadmills. And so if you can imagine the Tourette's have to do with the suit. Well it was a Tourette's kid. Like he literally like would, so this is like, I walk around and I'm like, fuck.

Yeah, no, it was like a 16, 17 years old. I remember his parents came in, signed them up. He like, they sat down and met to let us know. So obviously, yeah. You see some shit? Yeah, yeah. And we were totally used to. We knew I can't remember the kid's name.

It's been so long. But we come in and say hi to him. We always kept an eye on him for them and stuff like that. And then we'd always let members know that we're nearby if they were, because you get complaints and stuff that he has to rats. And so he would run on the treadmill time. And then randomly, you hear him swearing and stuff. It was totally normal. but he always went to the back row so and he did in the late morning when

it wasn't really busy and stuff and he was running on the very back row and the very back row right behind the treadmill literally three feet maybe four feet tops is the glass for the group X and I remember one time you hear the yeah you hear the bus word real quick and then you just thought it was normal. Oh yeah. And then you see you poop and get a lot of them in shot because you hit that thing if it's like speed eight plus it'll fire. Yeah. He just he skipped right off of it and slammed in the the Plexiglass afterwards. It's worse thing. And this is I've seen lots accidents but this one made me feel the worst. So we had you know you have physio balls remember when that first became a thing?

Cause they weren't in gyms at first. When I first went work in gyms, physio ball was not a thing. Then all of a sudden they became a thing and they were everywhere. And we had one and one of my operations guys said, hey, Sal, someone brought to my attention that this one has a cut in it.

Now it's still okay, but it might burst. I said, put it somewhere where members aren't gonna use it. Well, this moron put it in the group X room up high, but it looked like you could, I mean, this would happen. So, member signs up, heavy set woman, and she specifically asked my sales guy, specifically. Can I sit on one of those physio balls? I'm kind of heavy.

Can I use them or, and he goes, no, no, no, they're tested for like a thousand pounds, totally safe, which ball do you think she grabbed? The one that was almost broken and she blew it up. Pff, man. Yeah, and you hear a big ol', and I felt so bad for her. On the ground, big ol' ball exploded. I was like, oh my God, dude.

Anyway, I got her to buy some training after that, because I was like, either one of you guys, I didn't get a chance to read the article, but I was like, oh my God, dude. Anyway, I got her to buy some training after that. I did either one of you guys have worked on it. I didn't get a chance to read the article, but I was interested in it because I thought it was at least got me clickbaities with the title, the pork in California thing. Was it Jerry or who sent it over to us this morning?

Yeah, that's the thing, the title got me, which I'm like, you are not touching my bacon. What's happening? Probably what you exactly said. So, okay, so you guys read it? No, that's why I'm asking. So, I'll pull it up because I don't wanna, I don't wanna misrepresent it.

But California passed the proposition, I'm gonna name the proposition that essentially gave guidelines to how, you know, pork and chicken and all these animals are raised and essentially how we can produce some of these foods. And I can't remember what the proposition is, it's called animal welfare proposition. It was approved and it gave rules and laws for how much space these animals needed and how they should, and it's one of those feel good propositions that people passed.

Right. The problem is, only 4% of hog operations comply with the new rules. Oh, wow. Now, this means that California not only won't allow animals in California to be raised this way and slaughtered this way, but it also means they won't sell anything that's raised or slaughtered this way, but it also means they won't sell anything that's raised or slaughtered this way. So now we've just shrunk the market down to 4% of producers.

And this is the problem with feel good laws and propositions is that nobody thinks further than this feels good. Because now here's the problem. Eggs, bacon, milk, these are staples for a lot of people and especially people in low income. This is oftentimes the only unprocessed food that they eat. And now it's gonna make them super expensive. Don't you think this is the natural progression

of where we're going? If it's not gonna be, if it's non-reginative farming, it's gonna get taxed at a higher rate or outlawed potentially? Like, don't you think we're moving this direction anyways? Well, so yeah, and here's, again, here's the issue with that, is that sometimes things feel good and we don't consider the potential ramifications. So imagine you're low income family,

you're supporting your kids, 90% of what you buy. Shrink it supplies substantially. Yeah, so 90% of what you buy is processed garbage because it's cheap, it's easy, it's to buy. But hey, my kids still drink milk. I still can buy them eggs. I can still buy them bacon. Oh my God, bacon now is five times as expensive or not available.

So we're eggs, I'm not gonna do it anymore. So we don't consider some of these. So the article go into the prediction of that. I mean, what? 4% of producers, yeah. Or I was just gonna cause a big shortage if they don't change it. And it only be California though, though.

They'll have that. So you're gonna have like a black market for bacon. Well, here's the other issue. California is such a big market. My ears just perked up. I know. California is such a big market that it could cause problems for other states as well. Remember, we're one of the biggest markets for anything.

Oh, because it will have to shut down even the farming. Are they gonna shut down? They can't technically they won't be able that mean, they're gonna shut down. We can't they can't technically They won't be able to those farms can't sell to Minnesota. They'll be able they can but because they're not selling to California And let's say you're a producer of bacon in California by itself. 30% of your exactly. Okay. I wonder what I wonder how what percentage that is So now now companies like butcher box I Think you know you're you're going to see them benefit, right?

Because they probably fall into that small category of companies that meet all these requirements. Now the demand's in explode. Yeah. For some of us. I mean, do you think that this could just be a transition period though where, yeah, it's going to hurt at first. There'll be a major shortage, but then it's going to drive a lot of people into better farming practices.

I mean, I figured that's the desired outcome of this, right? I mean, eventually it isn't just attacks or fuck everybody. It's eventually, but you have to consider the downstream consequences and what happens in the mean times. Yeah, understandably. But if the desired outcome is to move towards regenerative farming and doing things like that, would you suggest is the best transition? Well, let me put it this way.

I'm going to probably make massive moves like this when we're already in economic crisis. Like we're already hurting from, you know, small businesses are getting to start. I mean, I'm gonna leave her. And now let's just do this. Is it really an economic crisis right now? It is for the way I said this.

There's more than 10 people saving savings account that ever housing prices are going through the roof. Stocks are going up like crazy. I'm just talking about $100. This is vaccine shots now. I mean, is it really that much of an economic crisis right now? Yeah, I mean, not for big business. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, speaking of which, so I'm not an expert in this, so this is just my own experience. I didn't know very many people who got COVID up until recently. Now I know like 10 people. All of them were vaccinated. Every single all of them got, we're vaccinated. Every single one of them had the vaccine. This is kind of an interesting situation, right? Because they're saying that they can now spread

this new variant like anybody else. This is really gonna hurt their credibility. Well, to their credit, they had no idea of knowing this. It's the other variant. Right, first of all. So, and then, I mean, I'm sure there's a pretty good explanation. You gotta think that people that get vaccinated are now probably, they went from being staying home,

masked up if they go anywhere, ordering in most time, and then now they get the vaccine. So they feel like they can go all back to normal life. But they can. Yeah, they can't, but they did. I'm sure, I'm sure a lot of people that got vaccinated felt like they would have superpowers now and that they don't have to worry about anybody else and that's proving to not be true now.

No, no, it's wild. And what it hurts is the credibility of the people who have been pushing it because the truth is they don't know, right? There's no way of knowing. But because they sold it so hard, first they sold the flattened the curve two weeks, the flattened the curve, obviously now we're like a year and something later. Then they said, you know, get the vaccine, you don't have to wear a mask now, you have to also,

it's gonna get to the point where people are gonna listen anymore, that's not a good situation to be in. Yeah, you're losing credibility, authority, and like, yeah. That's the thing, it's like, who do you turn to now for like real like legitimate information in terms of, know disease prevention. Yeah, I don't know. Speaking of other wild crazy things, I got to share these numbers.

I was sharing with Sal, Offer, I didn't share with you or with Doug. Just have to bring me some. I have to bring it up for sure. I think it's like, I read it today and it blew my mind. I mean, as much as I'm in and reading stuff around real estate, this is a number and a stat I was unaware of and I think it's crazy. So we up until the O8 crisis, right, in the big crash or recession then, we were on average

building 2 million homes per year. Since then, because of that and everything that, because the big crash, we freaked out and we slowed that down on average to 500 to 600,000 homes. So production weighed down. Yeah. For the last decade we've been down right now. Then we had the pandemic hit and we shut down of our stuff. So we are currently based off of trends on how many new homes that we need to supply the normal

demand were behind by 3.8 million homes. And on average we're only doing 500 to 600,000 per year. Then you add in the fact Millennials are up and coming right now, which are the is the biggest buying percentage of people that we've ever had hit the market And then in addition to that you have baby boomers right now 44% of them still have a hold of all the homes and yet they only represent 28% of the They're not getting rid of their house And they're not getting rid of their houses. And they're not getting rid of their houses. They're working longer and they're healthier.

So you have this, I mean, we've already talked about all the crazy thing that, and then you have mortariums that are being pushed back even further. So this crazy surge of home sales does not... You don't think it's going away anytime soon? Well, it can't. Unless something, like to sound as point, unless something like the sound point they do, something like, which they've already said

they're not going to, so they're not gonna raise interest rates from... No, they won't unless they have to. Right. Because if you're the one responsible for raising interest rates, you are not getting elected again. And so what does that cost?

And what does it, and what will make half to? Like, what does that look like? Well, the only thing that we have to compare as an example would be what happened in the 70s with inflation. We had double digit inflation. They did lots of things to try to slow it down. Finally, what only thing that got it in check was to raise interest rates. So we would have to see inflation would have to be bad enough where people would demand something to be done. That's it.

There's no political pressure. In other words, right now, there is no political pressure to change interest rates. Now, when that happens, now that you know, I agree, that's not happening right now. Now, when that happened, you know what, was that the greatest decline in the dollar?

So here's what you saw when they raised interest rates. You saw it. No, before that. Obviously they did it for a reason because we went on this radical run of inflation. What I'm asking you is during that time, was that one of the highest runs are declines in the value of the dollar?

You saw, yes. You saw a pretty big decline in the dollar, although we're printing much more now, but you did see a decline in the purchasing power. So that's part of what's interesting what's going on right now is we are completely staying steady because the entire world does happen to the pandemic and everybody's, I just say we're standing, standing, standing, look at the, look at the dollar right now. Look at the value of the dollar in relation to the previous decades and to where it is right now. It's not losing.

Inflation's higher now than it's been in a decade. It was Peter Renneman, right? That doesn't necessarily mean that doesn't necessarily mean the dollar is losing value. That's exactly what that means. Oh, it does. Inflation can happen in other areas. It can happen in assets and other things besides just the dollar. That's exactly what it means though.

If the dollar, if one dollar buys you a product and then then the next month, a dollar 50 buys you the same product, that means the dollar lost worldwide. And everybody's feeling the same. So what you're saying is, if everybody sucks, then we're cool. One of the types of the shit, but actually the worst possible case scenario. If the whole world experiences this massive value,

devaluing of currencies, there's nowhere to turn. That's a very bad situation. That's not the worst case scenario would be if we were losing the dollar losing value while we're also printing all that money. That would be worse. It's still, well, that's what's happening. Yeah, but that's not though,

in comparison to the rest of the world. That's what I'm saying. Are you talking about currencies, how they're pegged against each other? Yes. For example, the yen and the dollar. Yes. Yeah, but I don't think that's an indication of the value of the currency.

No. The currency's declining, I think it's probably declining worldwide, the purchasing power. And that's the inflation that we're seeing. Yeah. So it may be the yen and the dollar are still pegged at the same amount or the yen and the euro, but we're still seeing a decline in purchasing power

of a single dollar. Okay, let me put this away. In 2008, we exported a lot of some of our issues by other countries, buying treasuries, buying and putting their faith in our dollar. If everybody tanks, we had nowhere to go. So that's a really bad situation. Inflation is bad right now, but again,

in the 70s, when they corrected it, or's a really bad situation. Inflation is bad right now, but again, in the 70s, when they corrected it, or tried to fix it by raising interest rates, you did see a contraction in the economy. Now, the contraction was followed by growth, because you either handle the pain now, or you handle the pain later, and the pain just gets worse later on.

So that's, now here's the deal. When is it gonna happen? Who fucking knows? I have no idea. Yeah, well, so the theory is that, and I'm listening,'m listening by the way to like I'm not listening to like an economist like peer shift Who has an interest in people buying gold sure this is NPR news that I'm listening to yeah cuz they're non biased Well, I mean everybody everybody's technically biased, but what is NPR trying to sell you? Oh, man So NPR oftentimes anyway, I get what you're saying though.

I think, so essentially what you're saying, you're listening to mainstream economists. Yeah, it's not anywhere, and they're giving out just regular facts and statistics. And the theory is that we couldn't possibly catch up for at least five years to a decade because we can't build homes fast enough with the amount of people coming up that are buying them

with interest rates as low as you possibly can possibly your only possibility of slowing that down is to creep up rates like you're saying that's it and how fast are you going to increase the rates in order to slow that down the demand is still that that's what I'm saying predicting when stuff's going to happen I mean boy if you could do that you're you know it's like that it's like that dude that predicted the 2008 crash. He's like, it's gonna happen. Just don't know when and if you guys recall, he thought it would happen sooner and almost lost his ass

and then it happened and then he was okay. Very difficult to predict these things, but the fundamentals don't change. You know what it's like, just what it reminds me of, when people have these conversations, because here's the problem, economics become politicized. In fact, we're seeing science become politicized as well, and I'll touch on that in just a second.

But economics have been politicized for a long time. So what they'll do is they'll make their political argument, they spin things, but this is what it reminds me of in our space. It's like you have the people who say, hey look, if you go zero carb, you're not gonna gain body fat because it lowers insulin. And insulin is the thing that stores body fat.

And people say, okay, that's partially true, but if you don't have excess calories, you can't store body fat. That's a fundamental you can't get around. With economics, there are fundamentals. Fundamentals being supply, demand, and currency has to be, has to represent those things very well. And if it doesn't, at some point down the line, you start to get a correction. So they can spin it however they want. Here's the

facts. Are there artificial ways of constricting the supply of certain products and things. Yes, right now we're doing a lot of that. Are there ways of artificially creating demand, like keeping interest rates super low all the time. That's one way to do it. So is that going to cause distortions in the market that might need to get corrected? Fundamentals will tell you, yeah, when, who knows, who, I have no idea. I'll tell you this much right now, people who are at the top, who own the assets,

are probably gonna do okay. Well, yeah, because even if you think of it this way, right? So obviously we don't think it's crashing tomorrow. Yeah, all right. So it's, let's pretend it crashes really soon, which really soon would probably be within a year, right? That would be really soon. I'd say five years would be soon.

I know, right? So, so at the rate it's been going, if it just maintains that rate, even if you see a crash as bad as 08, which I think everyone's agreed, the likelihood of that is, I don't know, a single economist that thinks that we're on pace to see what we saw in 08, if even if you were to do that, you even, you losing that much percentage in your assets, you're still up 25, 30%. That's what's crazy. I mean, that's how much it's, it's those assets have gone up that even when the market corrects itself, it's, it, if you bought a year ago or more anywhere

beyond that, even when the correction happens, you're still going to be sitting on top, which makes sense because we've printed that much money in the economy. I think the part that's interesting is the people that are all for all the free programs and the more money and we need everyone needing help, don't realize, this is the same people that are gonna get fucked the most total situation. Because all that's gonna end up happening is the same buyer habits that have always happened

and we know what consumers do. They get that extra money, it goes right back in the market and it goes back to the people that have always happened and we know what consumers do. They get that extra money, it goes right back in the market and it goes back to the people that have the assets, that have the companies, that have the houses, that have all the stock, they end up just getting it. So they just get wealthier and the gap becomes bigger and it's all a temporary mean, but at the same time, disguised as we're helping you.

Oh, and listen, anytime they push a policy and they say, this is good policies. This is to help the little guy, you should always be very, very suspicious. Like when they'll say rent's too expensive. So we're gonna help the little guy, here's what we're gonna do, we're gonna pass laws, making raising rent illegal.

And people are like, yay, I have an apartment, this is great for me. Now, what happens? People don't invest in new apartment buildings, people don't invest in upgrading their apartment builds You create a shortage of apartments So anybody who wants an apartment now ends up paying higher prices because there's fewer Available but the people who have them are helped and it sounds good. This is what you got to be careful

You know another thing they talked about that that was interesting was Boomers being the ones that have 44% of the housing market, also blocking the development of duplexes and apartments in a lot of areas. So there's a lot of zoning laws all over the country that even though there's a huge need for more housing, there's not a lot of square footage as far as putting it so that you can only build single-family homes in a lot of these towns, even though it needs an apartment complex or it needs some duplexes or you tryplexes, and because these towns have passed laws

that won't allow them to come in, so you have that working against the building of the house as to had no idea that was a major problem, but with the boomers being the ones that have a good percentage of the housing market, have put that all on place. Well, I'm telling you, dude, one of the best, one of the housing market have put that all on place. Well, I'm telling you, dude, one of the best,

one of the most effective strategies for people to make money and create and make them protect their wealth is to work with government to create laws that ensure that that'll happen or to eliminate their compet... I'll give you an example. So the, I think the founder of Beyond Meat, I'm gonna look it up just to make sure.

So this is the meat alternative, right? The, the, I can't believe it's not meat. Yeah, okay. So one of the, the founders, I'm gonna look up who it is exactly. He is now backing openly a tax on meat. Of course, right. He has a product that on meat. Of course, right? He has a product that replaces meat, so he's going to support taxing meat, which is going to make it much more expensive and only do what, right? Improve

his ability to compete in the market. I got to make sure I find, maybe Doug can find this guy's, this person is, you can look up like meat guru or something like that or beyond meat guru supporting increasing meat taxes or something like that. So of course, right? Because he feed lobbies and he's and it sounds good, right? No, I want to help the environment and whatever. But meanwhile, raises the price of his main competitors, which is me, it makes him a great alternative, which is, you know, kind of crappy.

Ethan Brown. Yeah. And what is he, what is he run or who's he? Yeah, he's beyond meat boss calls for attacks on meat to encourage shift to plant based food. Isn't that awesome? Oh, just beyond plants gym owners, you know, propose attacks for obese people to pay for gym memberships, you know, yeah, speaking of Yeah, I can be. Speaking of politicizing science, so that episode we did with Carol Hoven, right, on testosterone, she's in the news.

Oh, yeah. I'm not saying that. When her colleague said that her statements saying that men and women are biologically different and that biology drives some of our behaviors and stuff, is dangerous and transphobic. So now she's having to defend all of her research. And by the way, it's not just her research. This is mainstream science, or at least it was for a while.

She has to defend herself now against all of this. And she's all over the news because- Thank God she's a woman. She'd be getting crucified if she was a man. I think that she's already- Protect her a little bit, oh, just a little bit though, obviously, because she's still under heat right now. So that's crazy.

It's crazy to me that scientists are getting under, you know, they're under heat for doing science. It's just, it's a very, it used to be a very pure, you know. It's objective. Yeah, it's just objective. It's just like, I'm studying this. You know, I see this in animal behavior.

I see this in human behavior. All I'm doing is reporting the facts. What has money not tainted, though? I mean, religion, politics, science, I mean, you agreed in self-interest. Yeah, I mean, if man is involved in any part of it, and there is a place to make a dollar, show me where it hasn't been completely polluted by corruption.

Yeah, I mean, it touches everything. Religion is supposed to be like one of the purest forms of it, and we all know there's plenty of examples of religious leaders that have done it to seek power and money and stuff like that. So name, name me something that doesn't, that isn't been completely tainted. You're right, nothing's immune. Yeah.

Speaking of testosterone, so ever since we did the, er, the episode with Dr. Rand McLean, right, from regenerative and sport medicine. I've gotten messages from people who are already on TRT and are already doing hormone replacement therapy. Two, I told them to still go there and have him look at it. That's what they wanted. So what they want, what they're saying is, I want them to assess my current protocol,

which I think is really smart. No, they should. That's exactly how I came across him because and I remember He laughed at where I was at and said I can't believe this is where they started you you should tell him you should tell the audience exactly I do I talked to a lot we talked that's what we talked about that already where I said the the reason why we are we are We are ended up with him after you referred him to me was because my tests were coming back was because my tests were coming back lower than when I started. And I needed a higher dose and they were like incrementally moving me up. So and he's afraid of giving me.

Yeah, afraid of giving me a little bit more and he's like, I would have started you. So he would have started me higher than where I would worked up with them, just based off of what my lab said. And the stuff that they were talking to me about wasn't even the stuff that he was concerned about. There were other readings on my test

that he's like, this is the number we care more about. We're watching, and then more than anything is how you feel. So you tell me this, you tell me that, that this is what I'm looking at. You know, it's funny, it's like any other field. I don't care what field you talk about, plumbing, doctors, whatever. There's people that are really good,

and there's people that are not so good. And when it comes to hormone therapy, I think this is extremely true. I think you have the standard, you know, basic, oh, here you go, here you're in the range, don't worry about it. And then you have people really, really experts at it who say, okay, well, you can see that

just from your general practitioner and like how many of them won't even let you have. I mean, I get DMs all the time if someone goes, I just did a test and my free testosterone is our total testosterone is at 200 and something, and my GP doesn't, won't even recommend TRT for me. So there's a lot of GPs that don't,

they're not versed in this field. If they don't see anything like seriously happening, you chronically happening to you, then they won't just use saying, oh, you're tired or you have no energy or your sex drive low, isn't enough for them to throw you onto your energy. They're still into like just treating illness instead of being optimal. Yeah, come back to me when it's broken. Come back to me when this isn't working or you've got something. Meaning preventative, you just don't see that in any, yeah, dog rules. Could you imagine if you trained clients that way?

Oh, you know, I don't know this, I don't feel good with this workout, my hip hurt. No, no, no, trust me, this exercise is great. I've read the literature. Yeah. No, no, this is plenty of, this is the right amount of volume. This is what the science has.

Yeah, keep, instead of the person telling you. It's a great analogy, an example, it's so true. And that, I mean, that's what, that's why, yeah. So to your point, and I have been too, I've gotten a lot of deans from people that are already on it, and they've told me where their doses are and what they're doing. I said, you know what, you should at least do a consultation with them. Do a consultation with them and at least get him to look at your labs and talk to you

and see whether you stay with your current one or not. I think it's worth doing that in itself. And they offer that, right? You can just literally do like, yeah, just evaluate what I'm currently doing. Let me know what you think. I'd love that opinion. Just to see what's going on.

So I didn't ask you guys how your weekends were, what you guys wrapped up, I know you were doing a bunch of yard work. Oh man, yeah, I was going crazy trying to get my house prepped and everything, and I didn't really anticipate putting my house up on the market But it was just one of those kind of opportunities where we found another place I was gonna remodel and kind of like rebuild and make this whole thing work where I currently live But turns out this was a better option. So ice was just scrambling

They give us like a couple days before we had to do an open house and Okay, if you know the current state of your house that you're living right now where you're just like oh, you know I'm you know you kind of let things go over the years and you're just like yeah, whatever I'll get to that But then okay now you have you have like three days to get this thing like primo like spotless like everything like on point and so I was stressed to fuck out, you know, just running around like I've never done so much, you know, chain-sying and, you know, like clipping and digging and breaking and like I saw you take it up

your face, your switch or so, why did you have to do that? Well, that was, because we get our septic tank inspected. So in order for them to do it in the timeframe because the schedule them is a big issue. So, there was a guy who kind of works for the septic company, but didn't have like all his gear and truck and all that and was like, well, I could come, you know,

evaluate your leech field or whatever, but you're gonna have to dig it out and all this like I'm gonna come by tomorrow. I'm like tomorrow, I think it's something about the, I don't even have like a pickaxe or nothing and it's like really hard and like gravely kind of ground so it was just like. Did you do it? Yeah, I did it but it yeah. Yeah, did you see that's how I was like, why the hell is this guy digging that out? I thought they do that. I know. I was like wait a minute. I thought I was like and you still got to pay for it.

Do and well. Do I well, do this shit anymore. No, you got to do this. Now was this one of those situations because you told us before how like you'll fix things and you'll like have just your tool belt on, take your shirt off and Courtney gets all. Was this one of those where like, hey, honey, can you come look at the white

and you're like digging the second tank? You do bin and set like she was spinning around like doing some weird both going. So I wasn't getting any kind of like, you know, attention for that. I was just like on a where you're both going. So I wasn't getting any kind of like, you know, attention for that. I was just like on a mad rush to do all these things and get it all prepped and ready to go. Oh, that's it.

So yeah, I was doing that. Well, for us, because we moved, right? So moving is always a pain in the ass. And yesterday, Jessica and I were like, let's just do a day, or at least half a day, where we just relax. Let's go out in the back and have mimosas, which is, you know, it's a good time or whatever.

So I made some mimosas for us. We'll hang out back there. We bought this little pool for the baby and just put like real shallow water. So I put them in there, had a good time. And, you know, we had some, you know, 10, 11 a.m. mimosas out in the sun. Oh yeah, nice.

Had a great time, I love day drinking. Yeah, oh, and here's a plug for our sponsor's ebotics. You know, in the past, it's so crazy how effective it is. In the past, if I had three or four drinks during the day, I, even if I hadn't during the day, I would feel like garbage that night or the day after, no matter what. It's like I drink water.

And I, yeah, I'm not encouraging people to drink more, but man, what a difference. Yeah, and even for Jessica who's very sensitive, she gets migraines if she drinks alcohol often, quite often, nothing, nothing at all. Katrina's mom just bought the big ol' value pack because I brought, by the way, the studio four of them because she ordered some sample pack originally or whatever, the little four pack or whatever, the small, I forget what the small package is under 10, right? She ordered that, didn't come in because they're back quartered right now. So she asked if I could bring some more of her studio because we had that big party.

Did you see the wine bottle that she uncorked? I saw. Yeah, what is that? That's sick, right? That's like the... That was something that pop in her had bottled that before he passed and it was supposed to be a special occasion. It was his five-year anniversary that he'd passed away So that was what the celebration was about. It was and then also her finishing her backyard But she had it she texted me the next morning. She's like, oh my god, son that Zibiotic is amazing And then she ran back and ordered the big old value pack of them because how amazing she fell after she goes I had so much to drink yesterday and felt amazing this morning.

Now, you know what's interesting about it too, is like, so Courtney, she went on to some party, some birthday party and went on one of those Shardinay cruises or whatever, through Santa Cruz that you can get on the Shardinay. And you, anyways, her friends and her like got her kind of schnooker. And I'm like at the house still trying to paint.

But snooker, it's the thing. It's like, it's being drunk. Yeah, it's three sheets of the wind drunk, right? And so, you know, she's coming, they drove her back home and everything and she's, I'm like, oh my god, like, what happened? Like, you were supposed to help me and we got into this thing and all that,

but like, she was like, just completely out of it. And I was like, we should try giving you a Z-biotic now, even though I know you didn't take one, just in case, you know, like even after the fact, even after the fact, it still helped a bit. Yeah, I know it helps. You know they're having trouble, I deal, but it still helps.

Yeah, it's better than not. You know the demand for, their demand is so high, they were having trouble. That's why she couldn't get them. She ordered them last week and they didn't come in yet. So that's why I had to go grab some for her, because she did it anticipating the party. It's from reorders.

Yeah. It's from people getting it, getting some using it, and then trying to get a whole bunch more. Yeah. That's how remarkable it's magical. Yeah. Dude, so I gotta bring up something about your shirt. Oh, really?

I mean, this is my really true, authentic in so many ways. But I wanted to kind of throw something out there. So Doug, if you could also help me on this in terms of like looking for countries right now that are like have all kinds of protests and are going against their governments, there's a bunch of them right now. Oh, why?

Why is it going crazy? Yeah, like all over the place, France, Germany, Italy, the Middle East is like just exploding and all this unrest. But I had heard this sort of sermon and this brought it back to like the book of Revelation and everything. And I'm like, oh my god, like it was interesting because you started like putting all these pieces together of what needs to happen in a curve before like the one world leader sort of takes over. But if you think about it, if every single country gets to a point where there's no trust

in their government at all, what does that leave? Yeah, that's a vacuum. It leaves a power vacuum. Then what? Damn. Then the lizards and aliens come in the lizards. No, dude. That's how it is. No, Justinizers and aliens come in the lizards. No, dude, that's not what it is.

Justin's theory, I can describe to you. He sold me on that. There's a world leader that's gonna emerge. And who are, and what are they gonna be? The savior of all of our life. No, because nobody trusts governments anymore. Yeah, it's gonna be Joe Biden. So you guys get with re-centred together?

No, by the way, Kamala has VP, the worst ranking, she has the worst public opinion polls. Yeah. Like I think in history, if I'm not mistaken, she's so disliked. But anyway, no, your theory about the anti-Christ being AI. That's it. So AI emerges.

So we're all gonna have merged. So now our currency is all going digital. Governments can all be merged together. And initially AI digital form solve all of our problems because it's so smart. So it just solves everything. That's the problem. And then all the billionaires are going to Mars instead.

I mean, that's happening. Now this conspiracy. Yeah. That's actually funny. I'm just saying. The lockness monster. They know it's big monsters. They know it's coming.

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during weight training or will it benefit more to use it when you're priming your body? Yeah, both resistance bands are extremely versatile, valuable ways of changing workouts, adding variable resistance, priming your body. You know, it's funny about resistance bands is, they were not really considered, you know, like a serious exercise tool for a long time.

And then you saw strength athletes really start to use them. I can't remember which powerlifting group did it. You used Westside Barbell. Where they the ones really, okay. I know the Soviets used to end its studies. That's where they got it from. That's where they got it from. Yeah, yeah.

And then you got strength athletes started using them and they started crushing in competitions. And you know initially bands were like considered kind of wimpy, but it's hard to do that when you guys girls squatten and lifting as much as they did. Next thing you know people started using them. I started using them myself as variable resistance

with squats and dead lifts, love them, and then use them for trigger sessions. Absolutely, love them. And now a week doesn't go by that I don't use resistance bands. So I think they're extremely valuable. And one of the reasons why they're so valuable is their resistance gets harder as you stretch them out, which is very different than what you experience with weights.

Yeah, I think you need to use a machine. It's a very variable resistance for the listeners they understand. So if I have a band I'm doing a overhead press with, I may start here at 40 pounds, but as I stretch it out, it gets much harder. Now, the cool thing about this is as my arm extends, I tend to get stronger as well. So the resistance matches how my strength

tends to express itself. So it's like I get more resistance right when I get stronger, which is kind of cool. And it's the opposite of what happens when you have a barbell or a dumbbell. As you get barbell and a dumbbells, you get closer to the end of the movement. It's much easier than what it is at the very end.

It's making sense. It's making sense. Or with a free weight, because it's working against gravity. If I'm doing a preacher curl, it's heavy down here, but when I'm up here, it's not heavy at all because I'm just supported by my elbow. Where's with the resistance band? It's always challenging.

Do I think they can replace weights? No, but I think in addition to extremely valuable. So, I mean, especially for priming, it's one of my favorite things to use them. Well, yeah, and I think part of the case that we make for priming is that, because it's not that you can't prime with a machine or dumbbells or barbells, but you're more likely to get sore due damage by doing that. And the idea of priming is basically kind of neurologically wake up,

a dormant area, pump some blood. You're not trying to tear or break down really. And so bands are great for that because they don't do as much damage. So I see it's great to compliment for the variable resistance that you're talking about. So it goes good with weight training and then it also makes for a great tool for like on the go because I mean our little band kit that we have has I mean everything you need in this little pouch has it to where you can hook it up to a door all the different band resistance and I can get a great little workout in a hotel room real quick

And so when you when it's convenient, I think it's nice to that and again Like we talk about other things on the show where here's an area where instead of programming, you know Resistance band workout for a week or two weeks or I just let it happen naturally If naturally there's gonna be a time where I'm on the go or traveling or it's convenient just to do bands. And so I intermittently throw that into my training routine. Yeah, speaking of the prime, I think sometimes it is helpful for people

to be able to connect more when you're actually like, you know, you have a tool that helps you to kind of fight against the resistance of it instead of creating that muscle contraction yourself. It's kind of a hard concept for people a lot of times to be able to squeeze and contract their muscles and get that kind of blood flow just with their body weight and without any kind of tool to kind of aid with that. So sometimes I feel rubber bands provide a nice amount of resistance when you set it up to kind of take your joint through full range, but keeping that nice consistent contraction, you know, to

focus on with that too. But in terms of performance, it's one of those things. If you start adding that in and you're really focused like on your power lift numbers or, you know, kind of getting over that hump of a plateau that you always hit, it's such a valuable tool to add to kind of get you to hit those certain points with a bit more strength that's not going to damage quite as much. If you consider how little space they take up and the fact that you can literally create resistance in any direction.

So I can make resistance going down, diagonal, I could rotate, of course going up. If you consider those things, they're one of the most versatile tools you could use. I'll give you an example of how you would use it for body building or body sculpting or whatever you want to call it. Let's say I'm doing a dumbbell fly, great exercise, right? Grace isolation exercise for the chest. At the bottom of a dumbbell fly is where I'm feeling most of the resistance. As I come up towards the top, even if I have 35 pound dumbbells on my hands, the resistance against my chest

gets much lighter because gravity's not pulling sideways. It's pulling down. So I appear there's really none. How can I use bands to augment that exercise so that I feel lots of resistance at the squeeze? Well, what I could do is I could attach a band around my wrist or the dumbbell and attach them out. So now at the bottom, I have the full way

to the dumbbells, but as I come up, now I'm engaging the resistance of the bands and then here at the squeeze, I have lots of resistance with the band. So extremely valuable and it's literally limitless in terms of creativity. Here's another way that I use them. In fact, the first time Adam and I worked out together

years ago when we first met, I did this, we were doing a deadlift workout. And in order to help lock out something that I did with the bands is I attached them to the bar and I attached them to the cage, which is in front of me. So when I stand up with the bar, the bands are pulling down but also away from me. So it encouraged me to pull back and kind of create this lockout. You know, the first

time I really saw their value, back when I grand opened Sanatrice at 24 Fitness, they, the cardio area was open first. The weights and machines weren't open, but we were selling memberships and selling personal training. So all my trainers used bands. And what was crazy was, and I remember we had these meetings and it was like, okay, people make a complaint, make sure you give them a good workout, explain the benefits, literally within a week, all the members who were training with trainers were enjoyed working out with bands more than they did with other equipment. They loved it.

They absolutely loved the point where when we had a full gym, you could see the trainer still in corporate bands and almost every single workout. They feel good. They do. I always feel good after I do a band workout. Next question is from the real Rashden. In your opinion, are squats with dumbbells, goblet or front loaded as effective as barbell squats for targeting the quads?

It could be more effective depending on the person. Yeah, now here's the drawback, right? A barbell sitting on your shoulder, especially if you have a good, if you can rack it well or support it well, you can load much heavier. It's hard to load something that's substantial, you know, with a kettlebell or even or your dumbbells. So, yeah, I prefer a barbell for that reason, mainly for the loading reason, but yeah, it is tough to get in the technique and you have to have really good wrist mobility and

have more. Rest in shoulder mobility. I mean, a lot of people can't do a front squat very well. So we use the goblet squat a lot, or at least I did in training clients for that exact reason. I mean, I would prefer to do a front load, it's quite, it'd be ideal because to your point, you can load it, so it's not that you're not gonna be able to hit it as hard, but the truth is,

a lot of clients just didn't have that shoulder and wrist mobility, or it was extremely uncomfortable for them to do that, so I tended to do a goblet squat more often than not, so for that reason, it can be more effective, so you give a client that can't do it, then of course it's great. Good point. And speaking to that, and you showed me this atom,

I almost, I did lots of gobblet squats and front loaded squats with kettlebells and dumbbells with clients, exactly for the reason you said. But never, almost never for myself. I liked the barbell. I liked that I could load it with a lot more weight. I wouldn't be able to do this with dumbbell. So I kind of never did them on my own.

I did a leg workout with Adam. And I don't remember, we did like one or two exercises first, probably a squat and some split stance, something. And then what you did is you had us elevate our heels. So we stood with our heels elevated. So we had a, I don't remember what it was, but imagine a block under your heels. So you're almost up on your toes, but not quite, right?

And then we did, we held the dumbbell in this kind of goblet position, and really slow, went all the way down, came up and squeezed the quads. Now we're both pretty strong in our legs. We didn't use, I think the dumbbell we used was 50 pounds, I think, which is light, right? That's not even a bar, a little bit heavier

than a bare barbell. Oh my God, the workout I got in my quads from that until this day When I really want to target my quads, especially after I've already done heavy squats I'll do that exact exercise elevated heels hand on the dumbbell and it's like I mean it hits my quads Harder than almost any of the extra I love that I'd say it's one of my favorite ways to kind of finish off a leg workout because I'm already taxed from the back loaded squad or the Bulgarian squad. So I've already hit them hard enough. Now I'm just getting pumped and I love doing that.

Next question is from Jules Teelman. Can you put barbell squats and barbell deadlifts in the same workout? Or is it better to keep them on separate days? I mean, you can. Is it ideal? No. Yeah. in barbell deadlifts in the same workout? Or is it better to keep them on separate days? I mean, you can, is it ideal? No. Yeah. Both of those exercises load the hips

and the lumbar spine so much that if you do them both hard, the risk of injury does go up considerably. Now, one thing I would almost never do is do a heavy deadlift before doing heavy squats. I think that's dumb. I could see how that would really increase the risk of injury. And the reason why is you're taxing your low back, which is so important that it's completely strong going into a loaded back squat, right? So that's the main reason why you would never go that direction. Because people always ask that. We've said that before in the podcast,

and I don't understand why not deadlift before squatting, why can you squat before you deadlift? Yeah. Now, I'll do this, or I could do this, kind of lighter barbell squats, and then do my heavier, but I would never go heavy, heavy, and train lots of sets for both.

It just loads the lumbar so much that I could see that, again, the risk of injuries, really, really high. The risk versus reward. I mean, you can do whatever you want. You see CrossFit, you can do whatever you want. You just throw some shit on the board and get after you're some ring muscle up.

Yeah. It doesn't mean it's ideal. So you gotta listen to your body. When you're putting that much demand on stabilizing your spine specifically, you gotta be conscious of that. When your formed degrades or when you're overworking all the stabilizing muscles just to keep your shit together, it's probably not a good idea.

I mean, I never do it, but I also don't think it's that bad unless you're loading heavy. If you're doing five or less reps, and you're moving at 80% plus type of deal, then I think it's a terrible idea for the risk versus reward to your point. But I mean, if it's 15 reps or you're doing light or it's a technique day, I don't see anything wrong with it,

because the likelihood that you're really going to hurt yourself on 15 reps or 12 reps, the load that you have to do in order to do 12 or 15 reps, you'll probably feel your form degrading before you actually hurt yourself and can set the bar down. Yeah, I mean, consider this, right? The area that tends to be, not always, but the area that tends to be the weak link

in a squat or a deadlift is the lower back, right? So if somebody hurts themselves on a squat or a deadlift, it's usually the low back, definitely the deadlift often in a squat because they both require such strong stability from your core. Because you're using your, you gotta understand, when you're listening to this, your hips are so powerful. You got these big powerful muscles that drive the hips

and you're either arm extended holding a barbell or a barbell on my back. The thing that connects all of that is the lumbar spine and the core. And if that fatigues to the point where the hips are using more weight than the lumbar can support, now you're starting to run the risk of injury. And because they're both so intensive in that area, probably not a good idea. This is why you'll rarely see people load them both heavy and two exercises. Now you will see

barbell squats and a stiff leg at deadlift, but rarely will you see people do a stiff leg at deadlift the way people do conventional deadlifts. Where they're doing singles, doubles, and triples, you know, type of stuff. It's typically higher reps focusing on form technique. So, in our programs, the only place you'll see them in the same workout is, I think, pre-phase and maps

at a ball like, and it's really not hard workout. It's not like you're doing tons of sets. Yeah, it's like technique. So I can see it on a technique day, right? So I'm trying to teach a client to get better at squatting and deadlifting. I want to increase the frequency of both just for technique reasons, right? Like I'm for practice reasons. I mean, so I don't I don't have that much of a problem with doing this three times a week if it's the intensity is low. If it's low intensity and it's all about getting my client to practice squatting, getting

to practice deadlifting and that's how we go into each workout is thinking like that. I'm not worried about their low back being fried because I'm not loading. But if I'm loading, I think it's a terrible idea to do those two exercises in the same workout. Next question is from Fulvio the Castle? Is lifting barefoot more beneficial in any way or should I just stick to my favorite shoes? Sure.

Yeah, it depends. I love it. You know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of, again, as a kid, trying to go help my dad do construction in the summer. So it's the only time I'd ever do it. During the year I was in school and whatever. And I remember him telling me, because I would work loves, sometimes to handle,

you know, heavy things and tiles and concrete and wood. He teased you. And he'd say, you know, I never used them when I was a kid, my hands just got really tough. Now of course, my dad at nine years old was doing this and didn't do with this into the summer. So he did this all the time. So he did, he worked.

But I'm like, oh cool, I'm gonna get my hands tough. So I didn't do with this into the summer. So he did this all the time. That's what he did. He worked. But I'm like, oh cool, I'm gonna get my hands tough. So I didn't wear gloves and I immediately shredded my hands to the point where I had to tape them up and wear band-aids and gloves again. And my dad's, you know, he kind of laughed and he goes, you know, I should have told you you got to go slow. You can't just jump into it because you're not ready. This is what happens to some people with barefoot training.

Is that they go, oh, if I train barefoot, it'll strengthen my feet and my ankles. But meanwhile, they've always trained in supportive shoes. They've always had some kind of a heel rise. So then they go all the way barefoot all the time, and then they wonder why they develop plantar fasciitis or hip issues or knee issues too hard to fast. You are not ready. Like, this takes some time to get to because if you look at like an anatomy picture of the bottom, just a foot,

forget the ankle and everything else. Just the bottom of your foot, it is covered in muscle. Those muscles need to be strong and stable enough to support you to do your heavy lifting that you normally do in your supportive shoes. I just, I wish I did it more. I mean, there's definitely, it's beneficial to work your way in that direction. I would say definitely, like, takes a while. So just walk

around barefoot, getting used to that is the first step, but then sort of building upon that. But to be able to feel your way through and connect to the ground and stabilize with all those little muscles in the bottom of your feet and also articulate your toes and find those points of ground forces. What happens when you get up into power and the pinnacle of your training is how you can distribute that force and to be able to create more ground forces, it starts through your feet and what your feet are doing are so crucial and essential.

And so this is stuff that I try to teach athletes all the time. And so it is beneficial to get rid of the shoes so you can really kind of feel your way and feel like the forefoot, the pad of your foot. And when you're doing anything athletically, you're never flat footed. You're not, you know, your heels aren't on the ground. In fact, most positions like

out in the field, if your heels are on the ground, you're not at you. Yeah, because you're not able to transition, you're not able to cut and move and be dynamic. And so, you know, these are all considerations to have. But there's definitely, you know, there's a progression. So you just got to really, like, slowly gradually introduce yourself to just walking around a lot more frequently, adding frequency to being barefoot, then start to kind of load basic exercises like lunges, like things, you start adding dumbbells and then you start doing, you know, lateral training, then work your way to the heavy loaded barbell situation.

So this is close to home for me because this has been my journey the last like five or six years. I had a terrible foot strength, a terrible ankle mobility. I couldn't break 90 degrees in my squat, and my feet were sleepy as shit. And I wanted to get to a place where I addressed and fixed all that. It just didn't happen overnight. Like when I got to the point

where I was working out, barefoot, I did a lot of just barefoot walking first. And I would start there. Very few people, like people here us talk about that or they see a video, maybe one of us posts and we're working out barefoot. And they're like, oh, I'm gonna start doing that.

It's like, well what you didn't see was that, I just got in the habit of when I come home, I would just, for now, I took my shoes off. How many people walk in their house and they just take their shoes off for the rest of the day? They decide, like, oh, I'm home from work, I'm not gonna wear shoes the rest of the day. How many people walk barefoot outside?

Yeah, and then go outside. So it started like that for me, where I would just, as soon as I was done working and I'm home, shoes off and then I would walk around my yard and be outside and I would just stay with my shoes off as much as I can. If I love going to the beach and walking in the sand with no shoes on and so I just started doing that

a lot before I even decided to exercise. So there's no exercise. And then when I even started to exercise with no shoes on, it started off with mobility work, not loading the Marbleback squat. It was just me doing ankle mobility and walking, doing farmer walks, real light stuff, and working on posture, stability exercises.

That was when I was working on that, jump to balance stuff. And so I was doing a lot of balancing things with barefoot, but not loading a lot of stuff. Once I got my ankle mobility in a good place, my hip mobility, a good place, I had been walking around barefoot, then I started to load the barbell

and actually squat barefoot like that. But that was a progression over, you know, two and a half years. And you know, I mean, you really need to stress that because I remember you going through this, especially in the beginning, and there were a couple times you had to take a a half years. And, I mean, you really need to stress that because I remember you going through this, especially in the beginning, and there were a couple times you had to take

a couple steps back. Yeah. Because I remember like at one point, you're like, oh my God, I could squat, barefoot all the way down, then you add it a little bit of load. Oh, got it back off again. Yeah.

My hips bothering me. It takes a while. And consider this, what you train is what you get good at. So what do I mean by that? So if you look at like a boxer, look at a boxer who trains with big gloves on, they get really good at boxing with gloves on and blocking with gloves and understanding

where they are in space. You take those gloves off and they lose a little bit of that, right? So it's like training with a weight belt. Like you can get good at a weight belt, that means you're not going to be as good without a weight belt. But if you can get good at a weight belt. That means you're not gonna be as good without a weight belt. But if you don't train with a weight belt, that means you're not as good as other people who train with a weight belt.

So, whatever you train is what you start to get good at. And if you've always trained and you majority of the time walk with your shoes on, and it's been most of your life, start which is taking your shoes off. This is gonna take years. This isn't like, oh, next month, I'm gonna do this. This is literally years and years and years. I remember you saying with your son,

you know, you have your son now as, you know, how old is he now? You're gonna have two. Two years old. You always have kept the shoes off. And I remember the first time you fell, was cause he had shoes on. Yeah.

Cause he was used to walk. Oh, he's still, he's very clumsy with shoes on. It's the funniest thing ever to watch him watch him. Because now I've trained him so much to be barefoot that I can only keep shoes on him for a few minutes. And then eventually he'll sit down and he'll pull him off. He feels weird, I'm sure. Oh yeah, and you can see when he walks around,

he's not as fast, he's not as stable when he's got shoes on, because he's so used to not having shoes on. And so I've, and some of the family I know they've seen that, there's like, aren't you worried then? You don't want him to not be able to do shoes. I say, I'd much rather him be uncomfortable and shoes than uncomfortable barefoot.

He's got strong face. Plus, he'll get plenty of opportunities to work with him. Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's the shoe thing I'm less worried about. But it did it through him off. The only time he's ever fell was actually the first time that Katrina put shoes on, I'm gonna take for a walk, and then he fell forward because of that.

If you've never seen a picture of a hunter gather, modern hunter gatherers' feet, just from the top, it does not look anything like the average person's foot. Their toes are split out, like very strong, they're gnarly looking. Yeah, and our feet are all like toes smashed. I feel like Max's are starting to look like that already.

He has like really wide flat look at this feeder like this It looks like little hands. Yeah, you can see the way his loose Toes disgusting Serious I'm sure you're listening Yeah, dude, you can like spread them out and grip things and like like ew So just don't feed me something Yeah, did she tickle you into the covers? No.

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