Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1638: How to Use Isometrics to Accelerate Gains, Ways to Increase the Overhead Press, Healthy Foods That Have Been Wrongfully Demonized & More

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Starting point is 00:00:50 listening to the episode to find out who that is. Then we talked about Joe Rogan and his announcement of taking certain unapproved treatments to heal him of COVID. It's a controversy. Really crazy. Then Adam brought up a study talking about the number one predictor of child abuse, which is very interesting.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Then we talked about how some organisms can be frozen and then reanimated. Are we gonna be able to do this to humans soon? I don't know. I think so, Sal. Then we talked about renewable marriage contracts. Adam talked about this long time ago. I thought it was a great idea.

Starting point is 00:01:21 Turns out it actually exists in some places. Yeah. Then I talked about how my wife will be taking Organifi protein soon because she doesn't like the taste of meat anymore ever since she had COVID, but she still needs protein. So we're going to be giving her Organifi. By the way, Organifi makes some of the best organic plant-based supplements you'll find anywhere. One of them, of course, is their plant-based protein, but they also have a green juice, a gold juice, which is great before bed,

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Starting point is 00:02:09 It's amazing. Go check them out. Head over to magicspoon.com forward slash mine pump. Use the code mind pump for $5 off. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know all about isometrics and whether or not you can do them on trigger session days. So we had a great discussion on the value

Starting point is 00:02:28 of isometrics there. The next question, this person wants to know how to improve their overhead press. They seem to be stuck at the same weight. The next question, this person wants to know if a trainer can see good success without using online services in the internet or if they need to do the social media stuff

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Starting point is 00:03:13 How'd you like sell the Robert Qsaki interview the other day sent to you know what it was really good actually I wanted to talk about and this is very good. This is connected. I want to talk about a study on Muscle and preserving muscle and and trust me. It's connected to I want to talk about a study on muscle and preserving muscle and trust me, it's connected to what you're talking about. So I brought this up briefly on a previous podcast, but seeing people share it more now, so I want to bring it up. There was a study that tested how much volume of training you need to prevent muscle loss. Okay, so in other words, let's say you gain six pounds of lean body mass, right? You gain six pounds of muscle.

Starting point is 00:03:53 How much exercise and training volume do you need to do to keep that muscle? Now previous, I guess, I guess beliefs would be the same amount of training you did to build it. I gotta keep doing exactly what you're doing, nor a build it. But we know through experience, that's not really true. It's like building muscle is way more challenging than keeping it. And I know this firsthand as somebody's been working out forever. It's so easy for me to keep muscle as a 42 year old man than it was when I was 22, you know, working out and doing all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:04:26 And even though I was younger and all that stuff, I mean, I do barely anything to keep my mass. And if I'm gonna gain, of course, I have to do more. And I know you talked about the same thing. It was just talking to Katrina about this who was kind of, and I saw the same study, although you're so much better about remembering the exact stats. I thought it was one ninth or one fourth,

Starting point is 00:04:43 is that what it is? Oh, I did remember. Ah, yay. I was telling her and I'm like trying to tell explain to her what that study was. And it just confirmed something that we've been talking about for her. I mean, and I have shared it on the show multiple times how it trips me out where how little of training I have to do right now to maintain. I mean, obviously again, and I've said this,

Starting point is 00:05:05 I'm not maintaining the bodybuilding physique that I had built. But I would say this, and this is what I was telling her, because it was referring to her feeling out of shape right now, and just getting back into it, is like, your body will respond so quick, you'll get back, and then not only that, you just got to do very little to maintain that.

Starting point is 00:05:24 And I believe right only that, you just got to do very little to maintain that. And I believe right now that, so I just came off and not training for a month, and I'm only on week one, or week one of like get back and swing things. In two weeks time, with training three days a week, I will have, I'll be back to a place, not great shape, but that shape is better than the highest volume of training I was doing and consistency when I was 24.

Starting point is 00:05:49 Yeah, like how much training would you have to do, especially when you were first starting to look like you do now? Well, first of all, I couldn't, I couldn't get to that side. To be forever to even get beyond 200 pounds, right, and have over 175 pounds of lean body mass. It took me years and years to get that. But once I got there and had maintained that for several years, now the amount of volume I have to do

Starting point is 00:06:09 just to maintain that, which is in better shape than the hardest training, dieting version of me at 25, which I know you're going, I'm hijacked your investing car, but I totally know where you're going with this conversation. Yes, yes, building muscle is an investment. Okay, totally. So the studies show that, and you said it at them,

Starting point is 00:06:28 one ninth of the volume that you used to build muscle is roughly what you would need to do to maintain it. Now, I think about that for a second by the way. Okay, one ninth, if we typically are saying in a workout you're doing 10 sets of something like, in order to... You're like one or two sets. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:06:49 So that's mind-boggling when you think about that. As long as you just go, so somebody who squats 10 sets throughout the week, so let's say three days, three to four sets of squatting, as long as that person squats, one or two sets in a week. That should be super reassuring. It's an awesome news. Again, I've observed this in clients, I've observed this in myself, and I would speculate

Starting point is 00:07:14 that the longer you have this muscle on your body, the less, even less is required to maintain it, like, I remember working with older clients who were high level athletes when they were younger. I trained a 74 year old man who was a high level boxer, amateur, and then pro boxer in his youth. And I remember, he didn't work out, but he had muscle like a 74 year old that lifted weights. I remember once this guy, this old man came,

Starting point is 00:07:45 my studio used to be next to this breakfast place, that was always real popular on the weekend. And this old guy walks in and he was late 70s, early 80s, I believe, little guy. And he sees my kettlebells and he says, can I try this out? And I said, yeah. And he grabbed, I think it was a 50 or 70 pound kettlebell

Starting point is 00:08:00 and pressed it overhead. And he had these little meaty forearms. And he wasn't necessarily lean or anything, but it was impressive to see an old man like that. And I said, wow, how often do you work out? And he goes, oh, I go, I barely ever work out. And he goes, but I used to be an Olympic athlete for the Soviet Union back in the whatever days.

Starting point is 00:08:17 He had this deep accent or whatever. So obviously he's got this muscle that he's kept. Okay, so how does this connect to Robert Kiosk? Yeah, he carries a tie in this together. He's the. Okay, so how does this connect to Robert Kiosak? He's the author of Rich Dad Poor Dad and one of the great book, by the way, I recommend everybody read that, probably one of the best books that'll teach you how to develop some financial security and financial intelligence, right? One of the things he says in there is he kind of just, he differentiates the difference between a liability and an asset, right?

Starting point is 00:08:48 So like a poor dad, you know, everything's a liability, a rich, his rich dad talked about assets. So what's an asset? An asset is something that makes you income, makes you money. A liability is something that costs you money. So a lot of times people, for example, and again, I'm gonna connect it all, right?

Starting point is 00:09:05 People own their home and they say to themselves, oh, this is an asset, no, it's not. You're not making any money on your home. And yeah, that is the one you live in. Yeah, and yes, the value of it can go up, but you're not making that money unless you actually sell it, right? An asset would be, I own a property, I rent it,

Starting point is 00:09:23 that rental income is making me a little more than it's costing me. Say $5. Yeah, it becomes an asset right there. Now it's an asset. You rent it out, it's renting out for $5 more than the mortgage. It's profit there. It is now an asset. Right, and that's the strategy of really wealthy people.

Starting point is 00:09:36 Really, really wealthy people, they understand how to create assets and they tend to have multiple, multiple streams of income and assets and the very smart at this. And this is how you build lots of wealth. Very few people become wealthy just because they make they have a job that makes them a lot of money. Most people do okay, save their money, and then continue to develop assets that earn the income in over 10, 15 years now. Right. So we all kind of understand that story. So how does muscle connect? Well, unlike burning body fat, unlike, you know, trying to burn lots of calories, you know, through, let's say, running or cycling, which has its value. So you still have health value. When you build muscle, you have muscle memory. And you have this

Starting point is 00:10:19 effect that we just learned in this study that we've all speculated. If you build money, you are literally investing in your long-term health in speculated. If you build money, you are literally investing in your long-term health in a similar way that you would do it with an asset. So if I gain 10 pounds of muscle, I have a faster metabolism. So now what's happening is like a rental property that's making me money, my body now with extra muscle is burning me more calories.

Starting point is 00:10:40 And I'm not necessarily doing anything to do that. I'm just sitting there and burning extra calories. Not only that, but in the future, just like an asset, if I buy a property and it's costing me $2,000 a month in mortgage and I'm collecting $2,200 a month in rent, I'm making $200 income. If I eventually pay that property off, now it's $2,200 in income, right? You build 10 pounds of muscle with all this time and effort in the gym and consistency. Later on, very little. Let's put money in the bank.

Starting point is 00:11:12 Yeah, very, very little effort has to be placed to keeping it, to maintaining this faster metabolism, muscle is protective, it's insulin sensitive. So it's literally like building muscle is one of the smartest possible ways you can secure long-term health. That's why I connect. You know, it's hard and like investing like that too, because it's a long play.

Starting point is 00:11:36 And when you're trying to build the muscle and you're in the thick of it, it's hard to see that. Just like in best way. You're fighting so hard just to get it in. You want the results to have it right away. You get a couple pounds that you've worked, you know, the last year or two to get, it can be very discouraging, you know, just like only making $50 profit on that property that you invested in, you know, it's only made you a total of a couple hundred bucks in a year. Is it really that

Starting point is 00:11:59 great investment? Well, hang in there. Stay the course, stay the course. Totally. Watch what happens in five, 10 years of you of working on building muscle and that, and then look how much easier it is to keep that, maintain that, and potentially make more of that, and stay in shape, just like the, I like the investing knowledge. So this metaphor is CrossFit Bitcoin.

Starting point is 00:12:18 Yes. That's hilarious. I'm just trying to follow you here. Yeah, but it's beautiful because, you know, if you had, if you examine, and I mean, I must have said, I've talked about this a million times, I wrote a whole book based on this theory, or not theory, what you see with the data

Starting point is 00:12:36 and in real life in our experience. If you're, look, if you're the average person and, you know, exercising consistently is tough, which it is for a lot of people. Like every day being active, like, that's hard. Your normal life is not designed to be active. Everything is sitting down, everything is convenient. So you have to like, structure time aside from exercise. Oh my God, I have kids, I got a job, I have friends,

Starting point is 00:13:01 I have family. Okay, I gotta look at this for the rest of my life. Like, why not? And if you, and most people only really will do one form of exercise. Ideally, it's like, yes, you should probably do resistance training, cardio, flexibility, mobility, meditate, all these wonderful things.

Starting point is 00:13:17 But most people will probably only pick one because they don't have a lot of time. It's a pick the one that's gonna give you the most dividends, right, the most return. So you build some muscle. Oh my gosh, you are really setting yourself up in a way that requires the least amount of effort

Starting point is 00:13:35 and the least amount of consistency. And holy shit, you know, let's say you're young and you're watching this show right now and you're in your 20s and you're like, yeah, I got a lot of time. I can work out every single day. It's fun. It might not be that, and you're in your 20s, and you're like, yeah, I got a lot of time. I can work out every single day. It's fun. It might not be that way when you're in your 30s

Starting point is 00:13:49 and 40s and 50s, but if you build the muscle now, and do it right now, now in your 30s, 40s and 50s, I make it to the gym two or three days a week, Max. I got kids or whatever, but you maintain a great physique and you maintain good health as a result, which is freaking awesome. So many parallels there. That's so many.

Starting point is 00:14:07 Between financial health and you know, just your overall health. So yeah, I love that analogy. Oh, so speaking of health, we all did these, and I'll talk about my own personal results, because I think it's hilarious. So we all did this, like this thing for the business where we get life insurance and we do this,

Starting point is 00:14:24 this is just to protect the business, something happens to somebody or whatever, right? So they do this whole health panel, right? And we're all healthy, so everything look good, but my cholesterol numbers always come back. And I eat, I swear to God, a predominant amount of my fat, a saturated fat, I eat a ridiculous amount of cholesterol. I have six to 10, sometimes 12 a.g. in the morning.

Starting point is 00:14:51 I eat tons of red meat, whatever. My cholesterol is always like 149, 150. Total. No matter what I do, it's pretty wild, right? Yeah, that's good. How much of that is determined by genetics and activity? A lot, I mean, it's a majority. A lot.

Starting point is 00:15:03 It's really, really crazy. You know, speaking of studies, so I did my questions just other day and I got, I was surprised. I got a lot of questions around Jim's to Pony. And I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, there's an old name. I know, I thought about, I was like, you know what? Actually, I think it was like in the,

Starting point is 00:15:20 I don't remember, Doug, maybe you could look it up. And like it was in the, probably the first few hundred episodes when we did an episode that where we went straight after him. I don't remember, Doug, maybe could look it up. And it was probably the first few hundred episodes when we did an episode that where we went straight after him. And I was like, oh man, you guys must have just joined Mind Pump if you're asking me questions about Stepani. And somebody DM me, maybe that's why because he's got something that's getting some traction right now

Starting point is 00:15:38 because I love what he does to me. You win for the most tatted PhD. Well, he's an example too of why you have to be really careful with some of these studies, because you can. Look at academia. Yeah, you have, because you got to be careful you could take a study and you could twist it and turn it to serve your benefit or try and fit your narrative.

Starting point is 00:15:58 And. Or take it so literally and forget everything else. Yeah, right. And then think about the all the other variables and factors that come into play. What a person is actually gonna use your techniques. And so the study that he's referencing right now, and I don't know if it's a brand new study or what.

Starting point is 00:16:13 It is, it's making his rounds. Oh, it is. Okay. So it's this idea of, you know, super fast like ab work. And we've already talked forever about, you know, when we tell people about working the abs, forever about, you know, when we tell, when we tell people about working the abs, it's, you know, slow down. And one of the mistakes we think that a lot of people make is just going through it so fast, they've already got a poor connection to their abdominals,

Starting point is 00:16:34 hip flexors, take over the movement, forcing the bad. Yeah. So they're not even training, they're not even training the abs very well. So learning to really articulate the spine and use the abdominals to do a proper crunch and sit up. One of my favorite exercises like the perfect sit up, which is extremely slow movement. And here he comes out, you know, with the counter information and says that that's the terrible way to do it. Best way to do it is this explosive, fast way of doing that. Now I didn't have to dive very much into the research to completely dismiss this right away because I really don't give a shit

Starting point is 00:17:08 if the research says that. What I know from training so many people is how impractical that really is. Because of the fact that what I just said, most people have a poor connection with their abs and don't know how to properly contract them. You take that same person and you tell them to do something explosive,

Starting point is 00:17:24 it's no different than somebody who can't even do a body explosive poor recruitment. It's no different. It's no different than somebody who can't do a proper body weight squat doing box jumps. It's like you can't even do a proper body weight squat and now I'm asking you to do something explosive onto a box is a terrible idea and this is the same thing.

Starting point is 00:17:43 So I couldn't see the clip because I was blocked a long time ago. But I was able to see the clip through going through the MindPup Media account. By the way, his nickname is Doctor Integrity. If you guys ever listen to past episodes, wonder who we're talking about. This guy really annoys the shit out of me. And one of the main reasons why annoys me is because he has the credentials. He looks jacked. So people tend to believe him.

Starting point is 00:18:04 And what he does is he takes so people tend to believe them. And what he does is he takes studies and literally, we'll take them so literally and then give advice that is terrible. This is the same guy that tells people to eat gummy bears, post workout, because sugar does this and that. Dumb. I don't give a shit how fast you absorb gummy bears. You're telling people who are improving their health and fitness to candy post work out like there's so many

Starting point is 00:18:25 You could go around so many problems and a big percentage of people who work out also have dealt with insecurities and Food dysfunction issues same reason why we don't recommend fasting for weight loss like stupid Now this study comes out and what the studies showed was by the way, this is also annoying to me It showed greater muscle recruitment in a study when they compared fast crunches to slow crunches. Okay, they've shown that in other exercises and also doesn't mean a whole lot in the real world. So I could show better recruitment pattern in your quads with a leg extension than a

Starting point is 00:18:59 barbell squat. Does that mean leg extensions are going to build bigger quads than a squat? No, it doesn't at all. It doesn't work that way, so it doesn't really translate. But let's say it does. Let's say fast crunches does work the abs a little bit more than slow crunches. I don't know very many people that can do a fast crunch without completely fucking them up. I don't. You know one of the biggest complaints of people who do spinal flexion, this is lumbar flexion. You know one of the problems, you guys know this? Back pain, I heard my back doing that.

Starting point is 00:19:32 In fact, there are movement specialists that actually advocate for avoiding all lumbar flexion. They say, don't ever work your abs, lumbar flexion. We've seen too many slip discs and issues and stuff like that. Here comes the study and then you have doctor integrity coming out saying, do your crunch is fast. What are you doing? It's, I tell you what, one of the hardest things to articulate with resistance is lumbar

Starting point is 00:19:59 flexion. It's really fucking, because the difference between lumbar flexion and hip flexion like here's the difference in space here's your lumbar Yeah, and then your hips are literally right here and both of them bend you forward Right, this is why people who do leg raises and Roman chair sit-ups and and they do them wrong I watch them do it and they go, but I do feel it my abs well. They're stabilizing But you're mainly doing hip flexion You're not really working the abs through full range of motion We're gonna make you do it fast now.

Starting point is 00:20:26 Oh my God. And by the way, 99% of people who go to the gym who don't know how to work out, when they get on like the the ab rocker machine or they do sit-ups on a fizzial ball are doing them fast. They're all doing a fast. How many times have you actually sold training to someone? Yes. Doing fast crunches on a physical ball.

Starting point is 00:20:45 That's why this is terrible advice. Terrible. I think Doug, you pulled it up with episode, it was like 257, so a long time ago. So if you wanna hear us talk about, you know. By the way, we were a little bit more rough. Yeah, no, this is not, we weren't our best. A little more aggressive back then.

Starting point is 00:20:59 By the way, back then, you know, we were punching up, right? So it was okay. So, and we were, we were bullying, we were bullying, we were the little guys that were trying to help the average consumer get through all this information that they're seeing and we were discrediting this stuff. While speaking of that, you just reminded me something talking about this, discrediting PhDs.

Starting point is 00:21:22 So you guys remember, we got this guy emailed into us, we get questions pretty frequently about him. I know we addressed it a little bit on one episode. Dr. John Jankwish, does that ring a bell, you guys? Ooh, Jankwish. Jankwish, it sounds familiar. Yeah, Jankwish. Jankwish.

Starting point is 00:21:38 He's the kind of buff dude ball, the bands, the extreme bands claims that resistance training. training only does band exercise like flipping weights Is the waste of time? Yes. Yes. Yeah. And again another PhD that likes to cherry pick data to try and To sell the service. Yeah. So Lane Norton went in and destroyed him about two weeks ago I totally forgot to bring it up on the podcast and you just reminded me to be talking about Stepani and I wish I would have shared a thing because then I would be able to give you guys more information about, but I mean, if you want to go back on Lane's page, you could probably find it up.

Starting point is 00:22:12 I think he did it on one of his, he likes to like tear somebody up every Friday and he just, he does. He does. He does. I mean, Lane is, I love Lane, Lane is such an acquired taste though, like if you get, if that stuff you don't like, then you know, you won't his but he's lane's a very smart guy and and he'll also you know what I've he'll also admit when he's wrong. Yes that's why I like lane. I have you know and the the things that most people don't. But he can't rub people wrong. Yeah yeah I I like him. I like him as a person

Starting point is 00:22:38 we we we're all really good friends and stuff like that. We have different approaches on how we do things but I have a ton of respect for him. Anyways, he just tore, he went in and took every bit of, this is what I love about Lane, because he's so detailed like this. You know he'll spend like, he were three days. This is what he did. So he didn't just sit and see what he could do.

Starting point is 00:22:57 We're more, I guess we're a little like slow, I'm just like, ah, just credit somebody or are you just saw our little run on Jim Stepan, I'm not gonna go, yeah, I'm not gonna go in and like take everything he said and then like picking apart and destroy, Lane does that. Lane is like, let's take his whole, he did that with game changers, the dark greenery too. And he did that with this dude.

Starting point is 00:23:16 He went through every study he's ever referenced to prove his point and destroyed it. And showed how he cherry picked the data to try and prove a point and make a leap from here to here And how it doesn't work that way then to top it all off So I'm already laughing as I'm watching them like you know We already told this guy to go fly a kite. We would never bring him on it. We already sickle this shit bullshit So he pulls up his PhD

Starting point is 00:23:39 Look up Doug Rushmore University So and this is the thing you you gotta be careful of too that you can get the hard work of online uh... it's not even that it's not even that they don't even like watch when you pull up when you actually google at what's the first like three sentences about it well came in islands first that's the first uh... it says as a fraudulent, substandard institution,

Starting point is 00:24:05 this is a Texas higher education coordinating board listed Rushmore University is that. Substandard Institute, was that mean? So means it's a very popular, fraudulent, freaking way to get you three letters after your name, but it's not really. Yes, and that is where his PhD is from. So, you know, by the way, I don't give a shite.

Starting point is 00:24:24 By or be what? Yeah, I know, I don't give a shite. I don't care if it's fraudulent or not, when you say stupid shit, that's fake and not true. Like, then I don't care where you're at. It was just the icing on the cake after that. I mean, I watched Laine's full thing on it and just watched him just pick apart every bit of his studies and stuff

Starting point is 00:24:38 and he didn't his story too. And then at the end of it, and then he's like to top it off, here's where his PhD is, he circles it since he tells it. You have to be careful with academics in fitness, not saying that they have no value, I think they have tremendous value, but when they don't apply real world, like what happens and they don't consider like big context,

Starting point is 00:25:01 then it gets really messed up. Here's an example, you remind me because of lane, right? So lanes, I think is thesis or what he wrote to get his eventual PhD was studying protein. Actually, this is lanes like it was more, in losing. Yes, losing. This was, this is like supreme expertise, right?

Starting point is 00:25:19 So whenever people try to hammer on protein, it's like, like, this lane is like the man when it comes to this. And there's studies that show that increasing losing, which is a branching amino acid or protein in general, increases what's called mTOR. So mammalian target, rapamycin, I think it's called. And this signal's muscle growth. It also can fuel cancer growth, okay?

Starting point is 00:25:41 So people come out and say, protein causes cancer. Just like that. No If you have cancer eating a lot of protein can fuel cancer just like a fuels other cells So by the way can eating lots of carbohydrates or high calorie diet like Cancer cells are cells. Yeah, they get fueled in different but similar ways often and so eating more of Amino acids and carbohydrates will fuel but in a non-cancerous, non-inflammatory, healthy environment, high protein is very good. So he goes into that quite, I saw him do a whole talk on that and I loved it.

Starting point is 00:26:14 And then back to the explosive stuff, I will say this for people who are wondering, what's the best way to train my core explosively? It is not by using exercises that are designed to be slow and controlled. In other words, if you're doing like a physio ball crunch or leg raises, one of the worst exercises I hate CrossFit does, by the way, is those leg raises, but they swing in them like crazy or whatever. And I get that that's its own, I guess,

Starting point is 00:26:40 I don't know, competitive. It's a bar or movement, but as an exercise for core, it's not great. If you wanna do explosive stuff for your core, don't know come to the bar when the movement but as an exercise for core. It's not not great If you want to do explicit explosive stuff for your core Don't use those exercises. They're not designed to be used that way instead do things like a A chop with the resistance band or slamming down a medicine ball and a medicine ball out of a crunch Yes, it's if that will give you much more applicable Explosive power right well, let me stop you there too. There's still prerequisites for that.

Starting point is 00:27:07 100% yeah. So you gotta, and that's what you have to, as a consumer, you have to understand that when you're taking in this information that, does that mean that like, I can't get down and get some benefits of explosive crunches? No, sure I can. I also know how to articulate my spine perfect

Starting point is 00:27:21 because I've trained this way for a really, really long time. The average person, no, not so much. Even the average person who thinks they do crunches really well, don't do crunches really. Just because you feel a little bit in your abs, a lot of times just come from the stabilization from the resistance on the way back down. You're not even firing it properly

Starting point is 00:27:36 when you get up, you use momentum with your hip flexors to get you up, the way down, you get a little bit of resistance in your abs and the stabilization part of your spine. And so you feel somewhat in your core and abs so you think that you're working them really well. This is more common than not. So even if there are benefits like wood,

Starting point is 00:27:53 or anything explosive, it's at the peak. You don't go explosive until you have control and stability and strength. Yeah, you just don't. All that stuff first before you even go there. Absolutely. Or if you just don't. All that stuff first before you even go there. Absolutely. Or if you're gonna do something explosive, it's gotta be the most regressed, like easy, simple,

Starting point is 00:28:10 like, you know, before you go to box jumps, maybe you just like hop. Yeah. You know, on a pad, like no joke, you know, something like that, right? hilarious. All right, so we gotta talk about Joe Rogan because.

Starting point is 00:28:22 Oh boy, it's making it's round three now. So you know what, you know, okay, so I wanna say this is getting lit up, right? how dare him talk about Ivermect. Oh, bro Wow, you know what I love about right? Wow, your mental treat. I is it's okay So before you get into this, you know, let's I want to speculate a little bit because none of us really truly know is he Because now he's paid out by spotifying stuff like that. Is he trying to push boundaries to potentially get his contract canceled and because he regrets maybe doing it,

Starting point is 00:28:50 maybe undersold himself? Or does he feel invincible because he's being paid by a company and he's not at the mercy of sponsors and ads and stuff like that? What's your theory? Okay, so first off, Rogan's, so here's the thing, he's always been that way. Remember, he was talking about DMT. I don't think this is a off Rogan's all so here's a thing. He's always been that way. Remember you he was talking about DMT and I don't think this is a new Rogan. No, but here's the beauty of it

Starting point is 00:29:10 He's so big and so popular that the tech companies or whoever Plits a big risk to cancel him. Yep. Like they can't just shut him off like like we're not big like we could say what he did And we would probably suffer some repercussions. But if they do that to Rogan, he's so big that would call, not only would it cause waves, but it would might even strengthen his case. Yeah, you know, I can't remember. It was one of those articles where I was reading about Spotify. He's responsible for like a big percentage of their subscribers in the last like you. That's hilarious. Yeah. So that you're right. Like he's got that much weight, so.

Starting point is 00:29:46 Yeah, so he comes out and he says, got COVID, felt shitty, and I did, I took Evermechden, I did Mono, I don't know how to say Mono, Nucleidia, something therapy, did a couple of things. All of these are not approved officially by the FDA for treatment of COVID.

Starting point is 00:30:03 Now here's the thing that really it's cracks me up. The hypocrisy of certain people, right? I see people who are like, oh, you're gonna take a horse, drug to blah, blah, blah, you know, and these are the voices. That's the narrative of the mainstream media right now. That's how they attack it.

Starting point is 00:30:22 Well, I love fitness people, it's particular who, and there's not a lot, by the way, a fitness community tends to be very skeptical of anything that's official, whatever. But there are people in fitness who are hammering, oh, take a horse drug, meanwhile they'll inject themselves with echo poise, which is a veterinary steroid.

Starting point is 00:30:37 Yeah, exactly. Or they're advocating for ketamine. Ketamine is a horse tranquilizer, and they'll be like, oh, I did this you know, I take this one, you know, I did this once and it totally cured my depression or whatever. Ivermectin's a drug that's been given to a billion people worldwide over the last four decades. A billion?

Starting point is 00:30:53 At least a billion. Wow. One of the most prescribed medicines worldwide to the homerline in humans, right? In Africa. Now, isn't the leap, though, because there's prescribed Ivermectin and then there's Ivermectin for the for the horse right veterinary grade So isn't that what the what the same drug. Yeah, is it same drug. Yeah, you exactly just is it just a dosing

Starting point is 00:31:13 That's different or what the dosing per pound is identical to or almost identical the difference is the the standards For pharmaceutical is much higher than prevent and area so I saw that either Andrew or Doug beat me out when I said it last time, you know. I told him to. Oh, you did. Come on, guys. Why don't you let me be a little Joe Roganish. Because we're not, we're not nearly the size.

Starting point is 00:31:34 They just cancel me. You guys just, we started to agree with him. I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the power to three of us. You know what I'm saying? If one of us goes two four out the rails, we'll just didn't like, I'm not, I've been trying to tell

Starting point is 00:31:45 Sal, he shouldn't be talking about that. No, I mean, I'm not gonna, I definitely won't advocate for anything that's officially approved, but I will say if you read the, the studies that are, come that have come out of Africa, India, the way that they're using in South America, they are pretty compelling and it's driving more research here, what's going on?

Starting point is 00:32:05 Yeah, so who knows, but... Well, I've taken echo poise before, so I'm not afraid of taking Ivermack from Poise. Pretty simple for me, Ian. Yeah. Hey, I love it when people are like, I'm not taking that horse drug here. Give me that cocaine, let's go to the party.

Starting point is 00:32:21 Let me take that Molly pill, who knows what the fuck's in there? Let's take a good time. It cracks me that Molly pill. Who knows what the fuck's in there? Let's take, let's have a good time. It cracks me up. But it's funny, he comes out, he doesn't give a shit. Yeah. Because that's like a big, like, you're gonna put a big target. You see like Fox and CNN now report on him. Isn't that wild now if you watch the news,

Starting point is 00:32:38 which I rarely watch, but news has now become reporting Twitter and Joe Rogan, like that's like news. Like mainstream news now, like a majority of their content is built around what's trending on Twitter or what Joe Rogan says. That's because old media is dying. I was hanging on by a threat. Jessica and I are watching these like.

Starting point is 00:32:57 People are still paying attention though. Oh, cause you have, you still gotta remember, you still have a population. Our parents, right? Our parents and that generation that's still alive. Most of them still, yeah. Television is still the main story. You get anybody under 30 right now,

Starting point is 00:33:09 and even if they still watch TV, they'll tell you they get most of their news from Twitter. More people still listen to radio than they do to streaming. Still. But, is that true? Yeah, it is. But the growth of streaming and the shrinking of radio is like so fast.

Starting point is 00:33:22 It's gonna be reversed. It's just really bizarre to me that people would rather listen to a politician or like a policy maker than a world-renowned physician. You know, like, why would, like, I don't understand how that shifted, you know, like in terms of like, like how you credit, like some kind of information like that versus like just because of a mandate.

Starting point is 00:33:46 You know what the problem is? I'll tell you 100% here because look, I you guys know how obsessive I can get about data and back and forth. I mean, it's to a point where it's actually detrimental to my health. Okay, I'm just gonna be honest. I get in and I read and I read and I read and I read. Here's the problem. The problem is that these policy makers and the CDC have screwed themselves because they've said so many, they don't know, they didn't know anything in the beginning. It's obvious, yeah. And they came out with these like absolute statements, two weeks to flatten the curve, like, okay,

Starting point is 00:34:21 here we are, a year and a half or two years later, right? 99% you're covered, right? Now we know that's not true. Like zero risks. Well, that's not true. Now we're seeing very, very low risk, but still there's risks, especially in young males for heart inflammation and stuff like that, right? So they don't know, and the problem is they come out and say all these crazy, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:34:42 Yeah, they make definitive statements that they have to go back and retract. This is why I learned this as a trainer. As an early trainer, I made the big mistake of I would get a new client and I would make all these promises. Yeah, you're gonna lose 30 pounds. Do everything I tell you and you lose 30 pounds. Yeah, this is definitely gonna work.

Starting point is 00:34:57 And then the occasional time would happen when it didn't work. I lost all faith, the client lost all faith in me. That's it. But if I under-promised and said, look, here's a deal, it's really hard, it might work, it might not, but we're gonna move in the right direction. And then they get the results and it surpasses my promises. They have tons of faith in me.

Starting point is 00:35:15 So that's the big mistake that they've made and why so many people don't, or like, I don't know what to believe or whatever. But the data, if you look at the data, it's pretty clear like so far that for most people, you know, you're better off getting vaccinated than not. That's just a fact and the data on some of these medications isn't super clear, but in other countries,

Starting point is 00:35:37 it seems compelling. Also, you own your own fucking body. Rogan wants to put whatever the hell you want to put in his body. It's his decision. His decision. His decision. By the way, I know people are like, he's so influential though. No, you're still an own your own goddamn body.

Starting point is 00:35:52 Well, don't be a sheep. Think for yourself. Yeah, if he says something. If you want to take the vaccine, take the vaccine. I do. If somebody does something because Rogan says it and then they get hurt afterwards and they blame Rogan, like you take no responsibility for yourself. It's crazy.

Starting point is 00:36:04 It's so ridiculous. Think for yourself. Speaking of data, I've just heard this. I thought it was really interesting. What do you guys think is the number one predictor of child abuse? Ooh. The kid doesn't listen. No, I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 00:36:20 That's terrible. Sorry. Sorry, bad dark joke. No, seriously, take it, guess. But I bet you guys have pretty good educated guests, but I bet you'll be wrong. So what do you think the number one predictor of child abuses?

Starting point is 00:36:30 Being in a single parent household? Yeah, I thought you would have used this abuse, obviously. Having a step parent in the house. Oh, yeah. That makes perfect sense. No, interesting. It makes perfect. Yeah, it does, right?

Starting point is 00:36:41 I'm going, so I can't remember the last time I went down a rabbit hole on somebody's content that I'm just eating up right now that I really like. And so I'll share it with the audience. And you and I really, I know you're gonna go nuts with it too. The way you pronounce his name, I'll say it's like God's sad.

Starting point is 00:36:57 So G-A-D. G-A-D. G-A-D's sad. I've heard that people say it both ways. God, God. Yeah, so it's G-A. I'm thinking he wants to call himself God. Yeah, G-A-D.

Starting point is 00:37:06 I think that's how you say it though. G-A-D, S-A-A-D, and he's a behavioral scientist. I think he's got a Cornell, I think is where he came from. That's what, but really, really interesting stuff. And he, the lot of the, it was that where I got that from. And I've been going down the rabbit hole. I bet it's a majority stepfather over stepmother. I would assume.

Starting point is 00:37:27 Oh, he didn't say that. I actually, he didn't get into if it was male, female, or that. Just because the rate of abuse with fathers is much higher than with the mother's own way. You mentioned Cinderella, so that's the opposite there. Mm-hmm. It's a stepmother. Well, you know what? Okay, here's why it makes perfect sense to me.

Starting point is 00:37:44 I have kids. You guys have kids. Well, here. You know how stressful they are here's why it makes perfect sense to me. I have kids, you guys have kids. Well, here, you know how stressful they are. You know how fucking hard it can be. Now imagine they're not your kid and you live with them and everything and you're not really a good person to begin with. Like the rate's gonna be in the next slide. My résistant to you is,

Starting point is 00:37:59 it actually has little to nothing to do with all that. You should look at me. Yeah, it has more to do with them carrying your genes and not carrying your genes. And having to take care for somebody else's child that is not gonna carry on your genes. Evolutionary. So there's, and that's why you're more likely to.

Starting point is 00:38:14 Now of course, fighting and alcohol abuse, all those things just escalate that. But the main root cause is that there's no evolutionary reason while you raising somebody else's offspring. You know, you raising your son, part of what, part of that is because they're carrying your genes on. When you're raising somebody else's child,

Starting point is 00:38:35 you don't have that anymore. So that's why it's the number one. That debunks the whole sex at non-movement. No, and he gets into some stuff around there, actually, about that. So you know what, just a little bit of, just a, that's what he's, he's an that. You know what? Just a little bit of... That's what he's an evolutionary behavioral science. Just to put a little bit of light on this.

Starting point is 00:38:49 Okay, in the animal kingdom, if mammals, if they see offspring that's not theirs, it's very likely that they'll kill. They'll just go and actually kill that offspring. So like a lion takes a lioness, she's got cubs, she'll kill it. Right? Same thing with chimpanzees and humans as imperfect and shitty as we can be. We're pretty damn amazing when it comes, we're very maternal and paternal when it comes to taking care of our young soul. And I just want to say that because I know a campaign to really nasty picture, but we're pretty damn good with our kids, especially when you compare us to any other mammal, you know, in the animal kingdom.

Starting point is 00:39:24 No, of course. Yeah, so. But check, I mean, definitely if you have it. That's what's saying, thanks for lightening it up. I know, that's right. John, the thing is, one of the things you talk about too is that, you know, this isn't information that, you know,

Starting point is 00:39:36 people get, sometimes, get triggered by this stuff. And he's like, when I'm talking about this, it's not that I condone it or I agree with it, but if you really want to learn about some of the, even the most evil and bad things that we do as humans, a lot of times you could tie it all the way back to evolutionary reasons where that comes from and learning about that, I mean, it's only going to make us better as a society. So instead of getting angry about the data and being like, oh, I don't, you know, I don't

Starting point is 00:40:00 agree with that. It's like, listen, I'm not condoning it or saying that it's, it's right. It's just data. It's just a data. It just like, listen, I'm not condoning it or saying that it's right just because it's just data. Yeah, it's just a data. It just shows that that's what a majority do. Speaking of science is not really related to that at all, but I had a discussion yesterday with Everett

Starting point is 00:40:15 about crowd-genic freezing. Because we were talking about, I don't know what brought it up, but it was something about freezing something, and then it coming back to life and it was like, can't do that. And I was like, well, actually, you know, there's actually, there's some science there. I don't know, it's somewhat like science fiction as of now, but there's people that really are trying to make

Starting point is 00:40:37 advancements in this direction. But there was an example, I don't know if you guys remember, it was on unsolved mysteries, you know, a long time ago. In the 1980s, there was this example of this lady, who actually she was 19 years old, so she was a girl at the time, but she was in Minnesota where they have like these nights where it's like 20 below and was walking back

Starting point is 00:40:58 and literally froze to death. And her whole body was just like a stiff block of ice. And this guy found her in that state and brought her in. And she had like, you know, like, he could tell that there was some life still there. I guess there was like some bubbles that were frozen, but literally, two of the doctor had some hypothermia specialist doctor kind of start to warm her body back up, you know, internally. And so I guess like she literally came back from the dead. Wow. Yes.

Starting point is 00:41:34 So there's another story. I thought you were going to talk about something else. I didn't know about that one, but I did know about this kid who fell through the ice in a lake, frozen lake, and was underwater for something like, it was a ridiculous amount of time, like 20 minutes or something like that, and they couldn't get them, couldn't get, you're dead, right? You're hanging it, how long can you hold your breath, right?

Starting point is 00:41:54 Plus, it's freezing lake water. They pulled them out, revived them. Revived them? Well, I guess, and they said it was the cold. The cold is what prevented him from actually. You don't need as much oxygen when you're frozen, your body cools down to that state. And so I guess like they figured out too

Starting point is 00:42:12 that if they take your blood out and are able to kind of warm your blood first and then put it back in, like that's a lot better strategy to then, because it has to be at the rate of their thawing that they worm your body internally free to have a better success rate. Because the ice crystals when they form,

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Starting point is 00:42:54 Isn't there this frog? Maybe Doug, you can find it. There's a particular frog that'll get in mud. The mud will harden and I think they can stay in that state months, months, months or maybe even years. Yeah, and they're and they're nothing's happening Their body literally just stops. They just hibernate and then they come out and they're a lot but it's longer than months. It's like it's ridiculous

Starting point is 00:43:12 I think you're right. Yeah, I think it's like a year you're two years or so. It's definitely something that is possible But I don't know we're gonna figure this out in our lifetime You know if you listen to a lot of like it it'll happen after the real longevity experts and stuff. I don't know if it's our generation. We'll put that one in the races. Our generation or our kids' generation coming up is they predict will be living to like 150. Yeah, that's crazy.

Starting point is 00:43:35 You know what? We're going to run into with that. Okay, mark my words. Housing crisis. No, here's what we're going to run to. If we continue to extend our lifespan over, like longer and longer and longer, we're gonna start to run to psychological issues

Starting point is 00:43:50 because, or what makes life precious, part of it is the fact that we- There's an ending. Yes, like imagine if we never died, right? Like would you, you'd stay married on the same person? Yeah, but never dying in like extending, you know, 50 more years is I think a little different thing. I don't know, like think about it this way.

Starting point is 00:44:10 What's retirement with Social Security? I think it's like 62, right? 62, you get Social Security. You know when they came up with that number? When the average person was leaving like 70 years old. Like 68 years old, you got to pay these motherfuckers for eight years,

Starting point is 00:44:21 no big deal. So we all think you retire in your 60s. Greatest hustle ever. What are you gonna do if you retire in your breakthroughs come out fast enough. Well, yeah, that's why I think stuff like this is really interesting as like, especially what do you mean? I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean it'll be slowly over time. Maybe, but I don't know if these breakthroughs come out fast enough. Well, yeah, that's why I think stuff like this is really interesting as like. Especially if you're married, this reminds me of your policy of the contract for marriage, right? Yes. It goes to a certain amount and then you renew. Yeah, renew.

Starting point is 00:44:58 Somebody shared after not long until we did that podcast. Somebody shared with me some places that actually have put that into place. I don't remember what country it was. Yeah, I wish I remember. You just brought it up. I totally forgot about that. But it was somebody who was like listening to old episodes when I talked about this. A long time ago, right?

Starting point is 00:45:15 When I brought that up. And somebody was like binging old episodes and they DM me relatively like, I don't know, maybe two months ago or whatever, and showed me like some, somewhere where people are trying. I actually, not think about it, I think they were trying to pass it in Florida. Maybe that's where I saw it. So look up, Doug.

Starting point is 00:45:34 A lot of old people in Florida. I wanna say, maybe it was Florida. I think maybe it wasn't another country. Marriage contract renewal law. Yes, yeah, marriage contract renewal laws and look Florida and see if it's there. Because now that we're talking about it, I think so. So instead of till death to us, it's like this agreement is good for 40 years.

Starting point is 00:45:51 Right. After 40 years, then we have to meet again. And then we have to decide whether or not we want to renew the lease agreement. Yeah. I think there's a lot. I mean, I don't know. And then do you get like, do you have to pay for my licensure like that? There's an argument for both sides.

Starting point is 00:46:04 I just think like, do you have to pay for my licensure like that? There's an argument for both sides of the tier. I just think like, okay, so I think of you guys like in relationship, happy marriage and stuff like that. And I'm in a happy relationship. Like, but it would be a healthy exercise in seven years that we had to revisit, you know, that, oh, we're still together, we want to renew this lease. We'll renew that.

Starting point is 00:46:21 We'll renew that. We'll renew that. Well, we're in the house and things and I think that's great. Yeah, it needs to be a thought process of like, have I been contributing my best to you and vice versa? There's a reason why people renew their vows. I think there is.

Starting point is 00:46:33 There's a renewable marriage contract that for two years. So after two years, oh, two years. Come on, what's it? It's gonna be like, how can you really assess in two years? Well, I mean, still not bad.

Starting point is 00:46:42 I mean, you could quickly hold on. The pictures were doing. Dude, come on. Why are they wearing one sweater? There's one sweater, two people are inside of it. Oh, that's just like a blog or a blog. I would like push them. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:46:52 Those are the kind of people that have one Facebook page. Do you want to just sort of get the word? John and Sally Smith, one Instagram page. They're the same ones that are just drinking out the same straw. Yeah, okay. Those kinds of people. You know what. You guys are those guys are people. You know what it is though? Here's the truth.

Starting point is 00:47:08 If I'm married to the same person for 50 years, like you build so much with that person, would you really want to be like, all right, let me go start over with someone else? I don't think so. I mean, no. No, that doesn't make any... I mean, you deal if you were unhappy for 40 or 50. Yeah, if it's not working out.

Starting point is 00:47:26 Geez, it's been for 40 years. Like, you might as like, why'd you wait so long? I haven't a lot of people. I think you just turned around. I'm the same person. A lot of people. I mean, how often do you hear somebody who got a divorce, say like, I got it just in time, you know?

Starting point is 00:47:38 Most of them go, I hung around way too long or I should have gone out 10 years. Well, I know, I was just 20 years ago. Well, I know because, I mean, I went through that. ago. Well, I know because I mean, I went through that. Usually, especially if you have kids, you usually get divorced after you've been thinking about it. And, you know, for- Yeah, or the kids go through school

Starting point is 00:47:52 or whatever, you kind of hang around. Yeah, that's done. Ironically, right? Hey, I want to ask you, Adam, is your sense of taste and smell back? Finally. Oh, it is. Yes.

Starting point is 00:48:01 Oh, good. And it was like a slow progression, too, because it wasn't like it was lights went out and then I also know it was back today. Like, I it was like a slow progression too, because it wasn't like it was lights went off, and then also, and I was back today. I do remember it was a little over, I'd say a week to 10 days when I started to get the taste buds back, and then it's been like every day after that better,

Starting point is 00:48:16 better, I really feel like today. So here's what, with Jessica, so Jessica normally loves meat. Loves steak, loves ground beef, lamb, like you name it, if it's got a face, she loves eating it. But ever since COVID, ever since recovering, her sense of smell and taste has been kind of off and it's gotten a little bit better, but it's still off.

Starting point is 00:48:38 She does, the taste of meat actually is slightly repulsive to her. So what she doing for protein. So that's, I'm, I'm, I'm going to bring home, I'm going to bring home, I'm going to have her take protein shakes. Like last night, we made land, which is usually one of her favorite dishes, and I could, and she's like, powering through it. She's like, I can't.

Starting point is 00:48:55 Now does she prefer the vegan protein over way? Is she also like you or she's got tummy issues with the way? Well, we're going to try either one and see which one she likes. Okay, so she can have way. She can have, I think she can, but we'll see. We'll see how it affects her digestion, but I'm going to start with the organify protein and see, because her protein intake is low now, and she can tell. She can tell in her energy and everything else, so.

Starting point is 00:49:14 You know, speaking of protein and way and organify and our partners, I actually notice when I have, if I'm eating like a lot of magic spoon, I'm better off having the organifi protein. If I'm not eating a lot of magic spoon, I can totally have one. It's because magic spoon. Because you can't end in date too much of the way. I can't get too much of it. Because magic spoon is dairy protein in a way. That's the only thing I can think of.

Starting point is 00:49:36 And I also normally have more than one serving. So I'm having a pretty good size. Yeah, I get a big healthy one. Yeah, I get a pretty good size bowl, okay. Hey, do you hold, when you eat cereal, do you eat your spoon normal or do you hold it like this? No, I hold it like normal. You're interested? Yeah, I got a pretty good size bowl. Okay, do you hold it when you eat cereal? Do you eat your do you hold your spoon normal? Or do you hold it like this? No, I hold it like this interested bro, no not limp come on

Starting point is 00:49:50 I'm like this right so so my grip no yeah, no my grip is like this. No, dude I don't so you don't do that right pinky out. That's just me then huh when I see I don't know what it is I don't eat cereal very often but when I do it's a kid thing right I grab the spoon like I feel like it's more Facts you shovel it, your mom told you, you have really weird eating behaviors, bro. That's not weird, bro. Come to my family, come to my saint Sunday dinner. I'm fine.

Starting point is 00:50:13 I'll tell you how much this would just get, we're sitting there eating. Isn't that funny, though, how we attach things that aren't weird because it was, well, how are upbringing, right? Because the five people in your household did it. It's normal. So I could treat it, I have this debate all the time

Starting point is 00:50:25 when she tells me things about how normal she is with something and how not normal I am. I'm like, it's because your fucking family raised you that way. It is, I mean, it's like general population all agrees with you right here. So we're, we, I literally have this exact conversation. Jessica eats, she sits like this.

Starting point is 00:50:43 She sits like super tall posture, very proper. And you can't hear shit when she's eating. And she looks like a commercial for that. I love her for that. Like, big new ones. You know, like one of those, Mommy, can you give me another thing? She rubbed off on her.

Starting point is 00:50:57 I don't think she, you must drive her. Correct me that. Oh yeah. Because if she is that meticulous, you are the opposite of her. You don't understand. I can't talk though. I'm sloppy. You guys actually she hold on she'll plug your ears. She gets up sometimes Hey, she pluggled your eat over here. Just literally she'll plug her ears. Sometimes I'm meeting. Oh my god

Starting point is 00:51:13 She will so so she's like this all super proper thing and after meeting her mom and be you know hanging out with her mom a Bunch of times that makes sense her mom's English And she's got that very English. They're the proper ways of doing everything. You know, you wipe your mouth like this. Yeah. Now, I'm Sicilian, okay. Sicilians literally, when they eat, man, women, kid, doesn't matter. They are making love to their food.

Starting point is 00:51:37 They're going for it. Doesn't matter if you're a man, you're a woman. It's loud, you're sharing. Soup is all slurped in. Oh, it's like you're just, you're literally having sex with food. I'm all, all, all, all, all, everybody's having a good time. Soup is all slurped in. Oh, it's like you're literally having sex with foods. I'm all, I'm all, I'm all, I'm all, everybody's having a good time.

Starting point is 00:51:48 That's why I eat that way. So yesterday we had this conversation, I'm like, man, I'm like, I make sense now. You eat like an English person or like the stereotype. And I'm like, you've been to my family functions. I was like, oh yeah, it makes perfect. I've seen your sister's eat, I've seen your brother eat.

Starting point is 00:52:02 Well, you're dead, and your cousins like, you guys are loud as shit. You know what you're doing, bro. That's how we do it. At one point in your life, did you realize that, or did someone make you aware that? Because obviously, if you grow up in a home like that, it's everyone's doing it, it's not a big deal. You don't notice it.

Starting point is 00:52:18 At what point did you? Took me a while because I would, I have a lot of cousins that are my age. So most of the after school people that I would hang out with and stuff are family. But then I had the occasional friend that I became real close with and then they'd come over for dinner.

Starting point is 00:52:31 And it took me a few years to start to piece this together because friends would eat over and then my parents would be speaking succillating to each other or whatever. And then afterwards they'd be like, hey, should I, should I leave? Like, huh? What do you mean should I leave? Like, huh? What do you mean, should you leave?

Starting point is 00:52:46 Like, well, your parents are fighting. They're not fighting, they're talking. They're like, oh, really? Yeah, like, okay. And then other friends would be like, oh my gosh, you guys just yell all the time, like across the house and over, like we do. And then I go over friends houses

Starting point is 00:53:01 and I feel like you could hear a pin drop and it was so strange, why is everything so quiet? So then I started a piece of together like, okay, we're ethnic. That's the difference. Oh yeah, we had to be quiet, like crazy. Hey real quick, I hope you're enjoying the show. You got to check out LMNT electrolyte powders. First of all, there's no sugar, no artificial sweeteners. And it contains the appropriate levels of sodium for increased

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Starting point is 00:54:03 Oh, that's great to do on trigger sessions. I like this question. Yeah, trigger sessions are designed just to maintain, think about that way, right? You're trying to maintain the muscle building signal that you sent the day before. So you're not trying to create damage, you're not trying to like hammer your body,

Starting point is 00:54:19 you're trying to facilitate recovery, blood flow, get a little bit of a pump, and then you want to also keep that muscle building signal that you sent, cause it starts to fall pretty quickly, about 24, 48 hours. And the trigger sessions kind of maintain it higher than normal, can isometrics do that? Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:54:36 Oh yeah. I love isometrics for that. I love questions like this. I mean, the idea always was that the podcast would compliment these programs. We always knew that we would never be able to make a program for the masses, that everybody should follow and it's perfect for their body, for where they're at. So there was so much, there's so much more to it. There's so many more variables, there's so many different ways that you can do this. And so, but we wanted to give these really solid blueprints

Starting point is 00:55:06 based on really good science and foundation in our experience, and then use this platform to be able to guide people to know how to mold it more for them. And like, we talk about the benefits of isometrics all the time. We don't actually have it programmed in some of the like, anabolic isn't got isometrics programmed in it, but what a great thing to add to your trigger days.

Starting point is 00:55:28 I mean, your trigger sessions are short, little 10 minute bouts anyways. You know, you do one or two exercises of isometrics included in there. Awesome. Yeah, I've always been passionate in this direction. This is why, you know, decided, we all decided to kind of introduce it in mass performance.

Starting point is 00:55:44 As we were programming it just to show, you know, the value of it. And it's another valuable technique this was like a long lost art. Yes. And it's one of those things that too you can really manage your intensity and manage the amount of damage you get very effectively, very easily because it's one of the only ones where you could literally just internally let off intensity and it's not dictated by the movement quite as much. And so too, it can also expose weak links in the chain where you could really hone in on those and spend more time in the recruitment process, which then builds up your overall

Starting point is 00:56:22 performance. Yeah, there's different ways to do isometrics too. There's different intensities, right? So I could do isometrics with just my body. In fact, in the 70s, body builders would often promote posing in between sets or posing on off days. That's popular. Yeah, it is, right?

Starting point is 00:56:41 And Arnold used to do this pre-contest. He did no cardio, did anything like that. And he said posing sharp in his body, really what he was doing was, that's what posing is, right? It's isometric type training. And you're right, it is a forgotten art. It used to be staple in strong man, in strong man training. I'm talking about at the turn of the century, like, you know, early 1900s, all the way up

Starting point is 00:57:04 until the 1940s Isometrics was a staple part of training and let me tell you these guys and this is before Supplements were popular let alone anabolic steroids Some of the feats of strength that they did today would blow people away just incredible I know Eugene Sandout I think did a bent press one with like 300 pounds, and this was in front of crowds, so he didn't just report it, this was like a legit thing, and they waited and tested it.

Starting point is 00:57:29 Pretty insane, so there's lots of value, but there's different ways to do it. You can pose, or you could push against an immovable object, which is higher intensity, and is gonna cause more, you know, quote unquote, damage, right? So I could flex my quads and squeeze my glutes and that's one way to do it.

Starting point is 00:57:47 Another way to do it would be getting underneath the bar and push the bar up against safeties and I'm not gonna lift the cage, to say it's all like, it's too heavy for me to even move, but I push against it anyway and I don't move. Or I get into a push up position, maybe put resistance on my back or a bar,

Starting point is 00:58:03 push up against, you know, the safety's again. It's not moving, but I'm pushing against an immovable object. That's a much higher intensity version of isometrics. Also has value, but will cause a little bit more damage. A very simple way to look at this. We've already made the case for why a practicing a movement is so valuable for like getting good at the exercise, getting the most out of it. All you're really doing with isometrics is practicing flexing a muscle. In a particular range of motion.

Starting point is 00:58:28 That's right. You're practicing connecting to it, getting really good at connecting to a specific muscle. And there's tremendous value in practicing that. I mean, that's one of the things that I remember as a trainer like, wow, how many clients just can't even flex a muscle. If you can't stand and I can't say, hey, flex your back or your lads or flex your shoulders or flex your tricep or your bicep and you struggle to connect to one of those muscles, you are not going to get the most out of your training when you're training

Starting point is 00:58:56 those muscles. I think to a lot of people don't even associate like in our prime program, for example, with Kinstretch and that whole methodology is isometrically based. So it's really about like getting into N-range positions. So a lot of times when we're going through exercises, we're trying to kind of focus on the peak of where we squeeze. Whereas, you know, spending time where you're in the N-range of that movement has tremendous value as well. Because now I can increase the amount of muscles

Starting point is 00:59:25 that I can recruit in the end range, which then you bring that back into that same type of exercise. Now you have more support, more strength within the entire range of motion, not just the peak. Isn't there some research that's around this? I believe, I think Ben Pekolsky is notorious for talking about this, when somebody has an underdeveloped muscle that they actually do train and they work out and they can't seem to develop it, he attributes a large percentage of that to the ability to connect to the muscle in range.

Starting point is 01:00:01 In the squeeze position. Yeah, it's hard. I mean, we saw this as trainers. Like if I wanted someone to connect to their glutes, I would have them focus on the squeeze position first the most. That would help them connect to the glutes. So he, I don't know if there's any studies to support it. No, I believe there is.

Starting point is 01:00:15 I remember he, I remember him referencing that to where he pulled from that. And I, he like almost, that's it. Like if someone comes in and says, oh, you train all your body evenly, but your calves won't come up or your shoulders will be a poor connection. Yeah, that's the tributaries to that

Starting point is 01:00:30 is that you just got a poor connection. So by the way, I forgot about this a long time ago. And I want to tell you, Justin, because I think you think this is super cool. I saw somebody do a home gym setup for isometric training. What they did was, is they put two bolts in the concrete, two loops, and then they would have chains that they would attach to the bar,

Starting point is 01:00:50 and then you could just attach the chains on a whatever link on it. So I could get underneath the bar at the bottom, and it's literally anchored into the cement in the concrete, and then do a squat, but I'm obviously in a position, or do it at a higher position, or a higher position. You could do it with curls, you could do it with over impressive. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen something very I think that we rad to have something like have something like that in here our our friend Eugene Tao did a series when

Starting point is 01:01:14 COVID first hit and I actually all he used was like a beach towel. Oh, yeah, that's old school Yeah, it just used a beach towel and did like this whole little workout of all isometrics with it for the entire body I thought that was really cool. So yeah awesome content next question is from Sergio Morales Bustillo How can I progressively overload the overhead press? I've been stuck at the same weight for several weeks You don't have to always add weight to progressively overload. Let's see episode number done What number we just did this. Nine things to, all we can do is to progressively overload. Yeah, there's a lot of different ways you could do this.

Starting point is 01:01:50 Here's one way is, we just talked about isometrics, try this. Take the weight that you're stuck at and just hold it above your head for time or hold it in the bottom position. Don't rest it on your chest but actually support it for some time or put it in the sticking point for time or hold it in the bottom position. Don't rest it on your chest but actually support it for some time or put it in the sticking point for time or you could take your weight, go lighter, attach a band down. So now you have kind of progressive resistance as you lift.

Starting point is 01:02:16 That's another way to do it. You could increase the frequency that you're doing your overhead presses. So rather than training overhead presses maybe twice a week, that you're doing your overhead presses. So rather than training overhead presses, maybe twice a week, take that total volume and divide it up over five days where you're just practicing the lift over and over again. Manipulate the tempo. There's a lot of, you have to change the way that you're doing the lift and change your approach to see if you can start making some benefits.

Starting point is 01:02:39 Here's a simple one. Maybe your rep range has always been the same. So you're stuck at eight reps with 135 pounds. Okay, see what you can do for 20 reps and then just stick to that for a while. Go back to your eight reps later on and you should notice an improvement. Or maybe you haven't put effort in time

Starting point is 01:02:56 and strengthening your stabilizing muscles to keep everything signaling back to the body that it's safe and secure, which then allows you to drive more force into that specific exercise, which is something I found was a key that unlocked even more potential for my overhead press specifically. So doing any kind of rotational movements and things in progressively adding a little bit of load to these rotations, to strengthen and support, to bring that up because if we're putting all the emphasis

Starting point is 01:03:28 on that one, you know, sagittal plane movement, then, you know, inevitably we're not bringing up the supporting cast to contribute. I actually saw huge gains from this with you, Justin. So I come from more of a bodybuilding style of training. And so when I overhead press or for a majority of my career, when I overhead press, I would do strict overhead presses. And I would get, I can't remember where I was at a weight wise at that time, but I had kind of peaked out and I really hadn't got that much heavier.

Starting point is 01:04:03 And when I train with Justin, Justin loves to do like push presses, where he gets used to lose a little bit of English, right? Use your legs and explain what you could increase the weight quite a bit. And so what I would do after I trained that with him, and I was like, right away I felt myself get stronger, is I would do that and then I would hold it over my head for a little bit. So I could use a little bit of my legs to explode it up over my heads and then I would get used to stabilizing

Starting point is 01:04:27 acclimating to a higher amount of low. Yes, I would get used to staying. And then we all know that you can, you can on the negative, the eccentric portion, the exercise, the way down and the overhead press, you can handle more load than you can on the way up. So I would put a lot of emphasis on

Starting point is 01:04:41 exploding it up over my head, stabilizing it and holding it up there for a little bit and then resisting it on a way down. And do like, you know, you talked about somebody who always does eight, I was doing like triples. I was doing triples with significantly heavier weight than what I could overhead press with. I was holding it up above my head and stabilizing

Starting point is 01:04:58 and then resisting the way down. Three sets or three reps like that. And man, I saw my overhead press. Something that worked for me years ago was moving away from the barbell and doing only presses with dumbbells or kettlebells. And again, really good at using kettlebells and dumbbells. And then going back to the barbell and feeling stronger

Starting point is 01:05:17 or vice versa. So again, there's a lot, and I think oftentimes, there's a lot you can do. People get stuck oftentimes. They're just adding weight to the bars, they think it's the only way. It's the same thing. It's just adding way to the bars. I think it's the only way. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's just I'm not changing anything. Why isn't why isn't anything changing? Well, you got to change things before you can expect them to change. So don't just look at adding weight,

Starting point is 01:05:36 look at changing rep and tempos and technique and different methods. There's a lot of different ways you can get the body to progress. Next question is from David K. Silva. Can trainers today see the same financial success you all had without an online presence? Or has the fitness industry changed so much that an online presence is required to be successful? No, that's, this will be a good discussion. I'll tell you what I think. I think I would have achieved the same level of success without an online presence. But with the tools available now, I think I would have achieved a higher level of success. It could accelerate what you're already doing.

Starting point is 01:06:15 Yes. So, my success was based around my local community, my local gym, the people that I was in contact with. That hasn't changed. That's still there. Wait, so people? I don't agree with, that hasn't changed, that's still there. Where is still people? I don't agree with that. I agree, 100%. That's what I thought.

Starting point is 01:06:28 I totally disagree. You think you would have gotten less success today doing the same stuff you did before. Meaning, okay, so the way I take this is like someone's asking if you don't have an online presence, can you build as much, can you have as much success as we have today? Okay, yes, but you use yourself, I think so. Of course not. That's scalable. The reason why this business so slow is because

Starting point is 01:06:50 there's nine different revenues. I think you're talking about personal training. When you were a trainer, not, not, not. Well, we didn't have any of those things when we were trainers and we were success. No shit. Okay, so that's why the question is. That's why it doesn't make sense to me.

Starting point is 01:07:02 No, no, here's the, okay, the question literally is, can trainers today see the same financial success you all had back then? Yes, got it, okay. So I today, if I did everything I did before, today, I get the same level of success. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's the difference now,

Starting point is 01:07:20 is that there's all these tools, and I would have gotten the same. They've projected your message even further. I would have gotten even more success. So it's easier today because of the tools to be even more successful. Something that it does draw parallels to where we're at in this business too, that's similar to that conversation is that this business is built on adding value and giving people good results and be in a and and and referral business. I mean we have grown this show. The show has been grown organically still to this day. We've never paid a dollar in advertising. That's right. We we have never had to go out and promote put any money into get us

Starting point is 01:07:56 in front of more people. Which means 90% of the people that come in either one fell like into us somehow and then stuck around or They're most of what you see is someone refers someone a friend tell them. Oh my god You have to listen to these guys that give out great free information So and that was a lot of my success as a trainer as a trainer I what I didn't do all kinds of I was I was terrible online Justin was much better here as far as building a website and things like that I didn't go hit the street hit the pavement and bring a bunch of people to me. And it wasn't like that.

Starting point is 01:08:27 It was like, if I serviced the people I had, really, really well, eight out of 10 of them tell their sister, their brother, their uncle, you've got to see Adam. And when you've put enough years behind your belt of doing that, you build an incredible referral. And those by the way are the best clients, the highest paying, the most consistent are referrals.

Starting point is 01:08:46 Getting some random co-lead in a business back then, it takes a lot more convincing to get that person to stay with you. It's been a lot of money. You gotta prove your methods. I mean, you gotta be effective. That's the first. Yes, that's the very first thing you need to do,

Starting point is 01:09:00 and that happens like person to person. And so, that's where you build. That's where you build everything from. And so I don't, I, I will argue that if you try to move in the online space before you actually like make that happen, you're not going to be successful. Yeah, that's a rough one. And I'm going to rephrase the question, by the way. Okay. So what if I went to, good, because I lost me.

Starting point is 01:09:22 What if I went to, what if I went to a construction worker and I said, hey, could you still build this house if this was 50 years ago without the same technology equipment, they'd say, well, yeah, take a lot longer, but I could do it. Yeah. We have houses that are hundreds of years old, right? So yeah, I would get the same success that I had before,

Starting point is 01:09:40 but there's so many tools available now that it's probably wise to utilize them to some extent. They exist and they can help, but the more things change and more they stay the same, the same rules apply. Hard work, consistency, tremendous value and service, but now we have all these online tools that can only help and augment that. I'll give you an example, right?

Starting point is 01:10:04 So I've been training people and running gyms in San Jose or in the Bay Area, maybe as far as Sunnyvale, right? But still the Bay Area for a long time. So I had developed a reputation and a name for myself in this area, outside of the Bay Area, you don't know who I am. But if you're in the area and you say my name in a gym,

Starting point is 01:10:22 at some point, a lot of people would know who I was I just did for so long and I did a good job and at that point I was charging This is you know, I don't know how long ago maybe six years ago right set no longer than that eight years ago nine years ago I was charging as a trainer individual my single session rate was a hundred and fifty dollars an hour Which at the time was at the higher end of what a chart a a trainer would charge. And I did that through building a reputation and value. After literally one year of Mind Pump, we weren't even big. We weren't even a big podcast. We had a few thousand downloads, not that big.

Starting point is 01:10:55 Nobody knew we were except for the few people that listened to us. I'll never forget a lady walks into my studio and she wants to hire me. And she found me through the podcast and I said, I don't have room for clients. And she said, I'll pay whatever. And I thought $300 an hour, then I'll train you. And she said, no problem.

Starting point is 01:11:13 And that's when I realized, wow, the authority that you could build through some of these new tools is incredible. So yeah, you can do it, but why? I caution you, though, because that's because you had year decades of experience. Right. That led it. It wasn't like it was just that.

Starting point is 01:11:30 That's right. And so I'm actually riding a post right now. So I've been working on this post right now, going back and forth with our buddy Darren who writes and like, having him critique can help me. And it's titled The Burnt Out Influencer. And one of the things I talk about in there is false market signals that you receive

Starting point is 01:11:48 when you get build this online presence. Because this young generation coming up with these tools that are incredible, that help you to scale massive business, that can definitely complement and speed up the process and become a great trainer. Unfortunately though, people put so much energy on hacking the algorithm and getting more people in front of them

Starting point is 01:12:05 That they, of course you get a million people in front of you and you're a personal trainer Even if you're terrible and no one's ever trained with you or everybody that has trained with you is probably not got good results You could still sell some people. It's so many eyes and so much traffic and at that and then that's an extreme right one million But put it down to 10,000 10,000 is a lot. 10,000 people in front of you, and then also when you sell two or three or four things and you get this false signal that like, oh, I figured it out. I'm good, I'm good.

Starting point is 01:12:31 And so what do you do? You double and triple down on the hacking, the algorithm, and building the social media when really what's gonna build you a long-term business that's gonna succeed in any market, and any time with any technology is being great at your job. And so it's kind of put in the cart before the horse

Starting point is 01:12:48 to focus so much on social media when you still suck at what you do. Well, yeah, I mean, think of it this way too. Like as you're working through all these things in like a troubleshooting and plain detective with a lot of different types of clients coming in, you know, inevitably there'll be holes in the way that you do things.

Starting point is 01:13:05 And there's more education necessary to be able to meet that demand or be able to help somebody at a better level. And to put yourself way out there where you have, you put that amount of volume in front of you and you get that many more variables when you haven't actually been able to figure out a lot of those different types of avatars coming your way. It's going to open you up to criticism.

Starting point is 01:13:31 You might do something wrong at a mega scale versus being able to kind of control that at a smaller scale. I'll never forget this. There was a restaurant that opened up. I want to say it was in Palo Alto, so really nice downtown area. And I was with Jessica. And we saw the sign we looked in,

Starting point is 01:13:53 I wasn't open yet, right, because it was a little early. I looked inside and I'm like, oh, this place looks incredible. It was new, new restaurant, just opening up. We're like, we got to try, and it looked incredible. Like the menu, the ambiance, the tables, everything. Like we gotta try this out. It opens up, we go in there, and the food was fucking terrible.

Starting point is 01:14:12 Anyway, it closed down, right? It shut down, not that long after, because they had shitty food, and they didn't have good service. They had a great surface, they had a great sign, they attracted people, but they sucked sucked so they're out of business If all your focuses on social media and online presence and you're a shitty trainer You're not gonna you're not gonna succeed the root the base still is true. You have to be good at what you do Provide tremendous service have people value you and then the other stuff supplements it

Starting point is 01:14:41 And so that's what I mean by I think I'd have the same success But I could probably do better because then I could now get even more eyes on me and at that point I was already a really good trainer. I was at, here's something, here's the nugget for this person that's asking this question. So I was asked in an interview not that long ago if I had to, if I was a trainer

Starting point is 01:15:00 and I had to start all over my pump and exist and I began to build this social media presence, what would it look like? I said, I exists and I began to build the social media presence. What would it look like? I said, I wouldn't worry so much on my social media following. What I would use my social media is to compliment my current in-person business. So what my posts would look like would be like this. I get, and this is me pretending I'm a new trainer.

Starting point is 01:15:18 So I don't know very much. I'm just learning, maybe I have one certification on my belt and I get a client. First time, I get somebody who has a torn ACL just at a surgery and I got to rehab them. Oh my God, I'm scared. I've never done this before. So what I do, I go home, I start to research, I get some books on it, I start Google searching, reading articles on the proper way to rehab this person, then I take that information from

Starting point is 01:15:40 that research and that becomes a post. And what I do is I am servicing my current client so they have now a resource to reference back to their specific program. I also may track another person who also is in that same situation. And I'm not worried about, do I get a hundred followers, a 10,000 likes,

Starting point is 01:15:58 it's literally to compliment my current business. So it's only gonna make my current business even more impactful. And over time, what's going to happen? I'm gonna get smarter, I'm gonna learn more. And then before you know it, I'm gonna have tons of posts around me. It's okay, and yes, it's a lot has changed

Starting point is 01:16:12 since we were trainers, but not all, there's also stuff that like websites still existed. I know, I remember trainers spending so much money and time and effort into their websites, like thousands of dollars to make it look so good and all this money on their business cards and they failed because they were shitty trainers. I didn't have a website and then when I did have a website it was literally a landing page where you could, you know, I could contact you and that was it. And I was kicking their asses

Starting point is 01:16:37 because I was a good trainer. This is a very common question with coaches and trainers right now. In fact, we do coaching for a small group of trainers through NCI, and this has to be the question I've heard the most consistently. He's like, what do I do with this online presence and what does it look like? And I tell them the same thing, like, you know, the more things change, the more things stay the same, focus on that important stuff first, and then everything else has a supplement. And By the way, if you're watching this and you want to get even more in depth coaching and training, I believe the page to do so is mindpump NCI.com. You can go there and then there's opportunities for coaching and this is not something we'll be doing for everyone.

Starting point is 01:17:20 No, this is our mentorship that we started with Jason Phillips and it's every week there is a call where we kind of a lot of these topics. One of us are it are on the phone talking with Jason. And this is the stuff that we get into. Next question is from David GTZ09. What are foods that get a bad rap that are actually generally good for you? Oh, I got a good one. Rice. Yeah. White rice is a good one. This, you know, there was a, generally good for you. Oh, I got a good one. Rice. Yeah, white rice is a good one. There was a, maybe not so much now,

Starting point is 01:17:46 but I mean, for a long time, it was like, have brown rice because it's whole grain. There's more fiber. It's better for you than white rice. And although it does have more fiber and it's whole grain and all that stuff, and white rice, essentially take that part off, and it's a little bit more processed.

Starting point is 01:18:05 The truth is brown rice is harder to digest. It contains what are called anti-nutrients, which actually prevent the absorption of other things, and absorption and digestion is a very important factor to consider. So white rice, for most people, is actually healthier than brown rice. Not to mention brown rice sucks.

Starting point is 01:18:23 It doesn't taste good. White rice is like a million times better. And when you brown rice sucks. It doesn't taste good. Yeah, it's one of the right white rice is like a million times better. And when you flip it around, you look at the labels. I mean, you were like splitting hair difference on the breakdown. Like, that's a great point that you bring up.

Starting point is 01:18:33 But I mean, when you, you know what it reminds me of, another one is chicken thighs. I mean, I got sucked into the chicken breasts, you know, movement in the fitness space. And that's all I ate for decades was just chicken breast. Dry ass chicken breast. And like as I started to understand nutrition

Starting point is 01:18:49 and healthy fats and that all started to come together for me and I looked at the, again, looked at the chicken breasts and looked at chicken thighs, flipped them around, look at the things I was really looking for with the calories, the fat, the protein. I'm like, oh my God. And then when you taste the difference between a chicken thigh versus a chicken breast, it's like night and day difference.

Starting point is 01:19:06 So that would be another one. So with a fatty steak, you have a rib eye or something. Yeah, in general, it's bad wrap. Yeah, because of all the different political motives out there. But I mean, it's a staple food that we've had forever. And it's something that provides nutrients. It's very bioavailable. Obviously,

Starting point is 01:19:25 there's like, you know, people out there that, you know, might have a different reaction to. There's always going to be individual variances, but, you know, for the majority of people, red meat actually is pretty good for you. Yeah, and I want to say this, if you're overeating and you're not active, almost any food can become bad. And the reverse is true. If you're under eating your calories. You get away with a lot more. Yeah, so it's like, oh, I'm eating healthy. This is a natural food. This is bananas and potatoes.

Starting point is 01:19:54 Context matters here. You're like, well, yeah, but you're obese and you're eating way too many calories. So those are all now unhealthy for you. So that makes a big difference as well. This may be not an issue so anymore, but it was when I was training people back in the day. Agoeks. Whole eggs, man. Whole eggs or organ meats for even organ meat. Doctors used to recommend you give this stuff to your kids before

Starting point is 01:20:18 they invented multivitamins and stuff. So your kids low in iron, cook them some liver, or they need more of these other nutrients. Yeah, give them some egg yolks, and all of a sudden we were thought, no butter was another one that we thought was really bad. Here's one that I think people still might think is bad, and it depends on how it's fried. Okay, so the oil that it's fried in,

Starting point is 01:20:39 but generally speaking, if your calories are good and you're fit and stuff, pork rinds, or, oh, I would say olive oils, another one that people think is an oil, you think it's bad, so that's a lot of very healthy. I think a lot of people know that, but like pork rinds are, I mean it's straight up, you know fat, skin, fried, but if your calories are pretty good, especially if you're eating a diet that's really low in carbohydrate and you're trying to go in that direction, it's

Starting point is 01:21:01 actually not a bad snack, but there's a difference, right? If you buy the ones that are fried and oils that aren't so great versus ones that are fried and oils that are. You know, you kind of just graze right over the olive oil. Olive oil and butter, I think, are two things that have had a bad wrap forever that I use almost daily. That's because we grew up in the fat as bad era. Yeah, and they also would caution about like cooking it

Starting point is 01:21:24 under too high of a temperature that it would become, you know, problematic for people, but I mean that that's true. Yes, very minimal the effect. Minimal. Here's one, salt. Salt gets a bad rap still. Oh, that's a big one. Today, and I'm gonna tell you something, except for highly sensitive individuals with blood pressure issues, where they need to be careful with their sodium. Salt is actually, not only is it good for its essential,

Starting point is 01:21:53 humans literally fought wars over salt, this is true. That's how important it is for our survival. And when you read studies that look at healthy populations, higher sodium intakes are actually connected to longer lifespan. If you're active and you work out and you sweat and your diet's normally good, you don't want low sodium. Low sodium in that case actually can be correlated to worse health outcomes, worse performance, health outcomes, worse performance, electrolyte issues, stuff like that. That's why we started working with LMNT. They're an electrolyte company that actually uses appropriate levels of sodium. So if you're drinking electrolytes for the electrolytes, because you're like, I need

Starting point is 01:22:35 electrolytes, you want a good amount of sodium. That's the most important of all those electrolytes. Otherwise, it's just kind of a waste of time. In fact, I think the original Gatorade was way more higher than the majority was sodium. It was higher in sodium than they eventually, you know, because, you know, of course, the media made it sound like sodium, super bad. So that's one of my favorite ones. Look, if you like our information, you'll love MindPumpFree.com. We have lots of free guides that can help you build a more fit and healthy body, burn

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