Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1644: Ways to Speed Up Your Metabolism, How to Train During Phases of the Menstrual Cycle, Avoiding Exercises That Thicken the Waist & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Today is a live question episode day, so people actually called in, and we coach them and help them with their fitness live on air. By the way, if you ever want to get on one of these episodes, email your story and your question to live at

Starting point is 00:00:34 MindPumpMedia.com, okay? Or just go to MindPump Live. Is that wrong, Doug? That's wrong. Live at MindPumpMedia.com. This is how we open the episode. We opened with an intro. It was about 50 minutes long. That's before we got to the questions. This is when we talk about current events. We talk about scientific studies. We talk about fitness.

Starting point is 00:00:54 After that, we got to the live question. So we opened up by talking about Yo-Himby. This is a supplement that I threw in my morning pre-workout ritual to give me a little extra energy. Now, Adam suggested I combine that with Organifies Red Juice. Haven't done that yet. Classic Adam.

Starting point is 00:01:10 I like Organifies Red Juice. It's stimulant free, but it does improve performance. So if you're trying to wean yourself off caffeine, or you want energy for your workouts, but you don't like the way caffeine or stimulants make you feel, give red juice a try. Organify makes some of the best plant-based supplements you'll find anywhere, and there's a discount through MindPump.

Starting point is 00:01:31 Head over to organify.com. That's ORGA and IFI.com forward slash MindPump. Use the code MindPump for a discount. Then we talked about the recent fight with the vendor Holyfield, very sad to kind of watch, we made some speculations on the future of that kind of Sport then I talked about an interesting individual Freddie Oversteagant if you don't know who this person was you will love listening to what we say about this individual They were a hero back during World War two and I'll it at that, listen to the episode to find out more.

Starting point is 00:02:05 Then we talk about Condor McGregor swinging at machine gun Kelly. Boy, he's just swinging, totally not with newsworthy. Then we talked about a study talking about the best age for sex, that he's huge survey, and they found that the best age for sex is maybe not what you're thinking.

Starting point is 00:02:24 Then we talk about gambling and marijuana legalization, what that means for the future. Then I talked about new studies done on cancer treatments. And then we talked about NCI certifications. NCI certifications is a wonderful place for coaches and trainers to learn how to become more successful in their business. In fact, right now, they are giving away a free training that will help you find out which framework will work best

Starting point is 00:02:50 for your specific coaching business. This is a very expensive course that they're going to give away for free. If you're interested, head over to ncicertifications.com forward slash mind pump. Then we got to the question. So the first one was Thomas from Virginia. This guy's been working out for a while. Calories a bit low, but he's satisfied with his calories.

Starting point is 00:03:14 Wondering if he should still bump them up because his goal is to build some muscle. The next question was from Jasmine from California, wants to know if she should change or adjust their training depending on her menstrual cycle. So, you know, when you're in phase one or when your hormones are changing essentially, should you change your workouts? The next question was from Sarah from California.

Starting point is 00:03:37 This person brought up how some people in the fitness space say, don't do exercises that load your spine in a particular way because it'll make your waist bigger. Uh oh, don't do squats, you don't want a bigger waist. We talk about right, that's false and stupid and we help point it in the right direction. Then we talk to Bethany from Kentucky, wants to know when she should attempt PRs during her workout cycle.

Starting point is 00:04:00 So PR stands for personal records. When she she test out her max during her workout cycle? Also, all month long, all month long for the month of September, maps performance and maps suspension are both 50% off. Go check them out at mapsfitinistproducts.com. Just use the code September 50 that September 50 with no space for that discount. Doug, too far. Can I help himself, dude? Can I help himself? I have a very demoted sense of humor.

Starting point is 00:04:31 If people only knew how dark Doug's sense of humor was, I just wanna go out and say, Doug, strikes again. It makes my sense of humor like Disney. We would be canceled for sure. We would, so, we're starting this podcast with that. You don't know what that will just happen You have no idea which hey, I want to talk to you guys about supplements you guys know I like supplements

Starting point is 00:04:50 Yeah, no, I didn't know that yeah, so this is a thing I see you changed you love in person Let's not talk about the supplement bag Every time you guys know yeah, it's a car heart satchel. Listen me. I like it. Just actually bought that for was it for father's day She bought me a supplement bag good for her It's a manly one too. It's that's sick. I like it It's cool. I'm better than the cute little Lulu lemon You buy a Lulu sports bras in yeah, you'll Looks like it looks like my lunch like I'm gonna go to manual labor

Starting point is 00:05:19 Boy did I lose that bed huh which one when we were talking about the uggs I saw that clip go up on Instagram. Oh, come on, bro. Geez, I got it. There's two things that you brought up recently. Get out of here with that. Hold on a second. There's two things you brought up. I'll get to the supplements, everybody, but real quick. Two things you brought up recently that you were so sure

Starting point is 00:05:35 was not you. One was who would wear uggs. That's, I can't even believe you said that. Like, obviously, it's like totally, and then the audience agrees with the fuckers. And then the second one, which we know, who's the most likely to go to jail? I was like, are you sure about that?

Starting point is 00:05:50 That was my bad for not thinking that all the way through. I don't know what that is. I don't know why, but what came to mind, like, because Justin has got the temper out of all of us, for sure. And Justin has been thrown at, I've been with Justin when he's thrown out a bar. So that was what was going through my mind.

Starting point is 00:06:05 Everything like everyone's on edge with where we're at right now. Well, it depends on the crime. Yeah, it's like it's crime-dependent. Who's most violent acts? Who's most likely to get thrown into a federal penitentiary? I go federal. This guy would go to state. He's going to hold himself. I'll be in Guantanamo Bay, nobody will know.

Starting point is 00:06:25 Oh, yeah. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, that's shit you up. Supplement stuff. Okay, so Yo-Himbee, what do you guys know about Yo-Himbee? Energy. Yeah, so it has a cool name, that's what I know. It's a stimulant, it's actually some interesting

Starting point is 00:06:38 statistics about it, right? It's one of the few supplements, everybody relax when I say this, because I'm gonna kind of explain it. One of the few supplements that's been shown to amplify, quote unquote, fat burning. So don't take it to burn body fat. It's not a huge effect, but it does show that it does get your body to utilize fatty acids a little bit more. Okay, so can I stop you there?

Starting point is 00:06:58 Because when they, when I hear the studies that connect to things like that, right, and you even hear that with it, well, most all stimulants, they say that. Is it, is there some sort of mechanism that is speeding the metabolism up or is it because it gives you energy and you move more and therefore, you burn more calories, therefore we can attach it to burning more fat. So the receptors that it activates are receptors that do burn more calories that do cause the release of what are called catacolomines, noripinephrine, epinephrine. Okay, so in other words, but there's that. And then there's the real world study.

Starting point is 00:07:34 So the problem with those is you look at it from a chemical perspective, what's happening to the body, and then they'll make assumptions based off of that. The problem is that they, for example, if you do cardio on an empty stomach, you will see that there's more fatty acid utilization. So on paper, oh, fasted cardio burns more body fat. The problem is it all balances itself out throughout the day.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Really, it's about calorie deficit doesn't make a difference. So with something like Yo-Himbee or other fat burners, you're quote unquote fat burners, they'll show that on paper, but then when the real world, when they're applied, they don't necessarily pan out. Although, sometimes they do a little bit, and I agree with you, I think it has more to do with the, you're moving more because you're hyped. And then maybe appetite. Because I used to tell, yeah, right. Because I used to tell clients if we controlled everything, calories. I mean, you took somebody, one person

Starting point is 00:08:25 takes you, him be or any other, any other stimulant or fabric, and we locked that person in position and locked another person in position. Fend them the same. And yeah, exactly fed the same same tables and go ready. I think there will be very negligible difference between the two of them. But I think what ends up happening is you take something like any of us have ever had, if you ever had your first time taking caffeine or a high dose. Yeah, you start fidgeting everywhere.

Starting point is 00:08:49 You don't want to be in prison. And that's stuff at that really ad, and that's that neat. And that adds up throughout the day. And if you're more energetic and finger tapping and toe tapping all day long, well, yeah, that could actually calculate to be a few hundred calories, which by the way, that's like a workout for some people. It can be, especially if you're doing it all day. And I think the biggest effect is the appetite suppression, because I think eventually your body balances even that out.

Starting point is 00:09:13 But I think when you take stuff like that, you just don't want to eat. And that's probably the effect, but that also eventually balances it out because your body adapts and whatever. But here's not that's not why I took you. You're taking it straight like just by itself. Yes, I have. And you do, you feel a bit of a stimulant effect. Okay. Not unlike other stimulants.

Starting point is 00:09:31 It just feels different than caffeine, but not on, but similar, right? Uh, you'll have your hembees been used for erectile dysfunction and libido boost. Actually, quite successfully in a lot of men. So sometimes men can take you'll have and notice a boost in libido. There might even be an effect in women.

Starting point is 00:09:46 I'm not taking it for that either. I'm not wearing a mask. Bring it, my biogra, got me your hem be. See, it came with something like that, is that because they promote more movement, more movement promotes more oxygen, more blood flow, more oxygen, more blood flow also can help with erection.

Starting point is 00:10:01 There's actually a different mechanism. I can't remember what it was, but there's a different mechanism behind that. Again, I'm not taking it for that either. The reason why I did it is because I wanted to stack it with other stimulants from my workout. So that's what I did. I took a little bit of Hymbe with caffeine,

Starting point is 00:10:17 the citrulline, the beta-alanyne. I did Agmatine, which is another kind of stimulant, slash nitric oxide booster, whatever. And it's small dose. It's like, what am I doing? Three milligrams of Yo-Henby. And, oh yeah, it definitely works. Now, I know it's not gonna work if I keep taking it,

Starting point is 00:10:33 but it definitely works. I definitely had that fire in my work out. Now, when you're using stuff like this, and messing with it, will you also, because you probably use the red juice out of all of us the most, will you use that in conjunction, or will you, when you're going non-stimulate,

Starting point is 00:10:47 you'll use that, or would you ever do both? Oh, would I do both? Would I, would I come back to this? I'm asking this question because I have a feeling you've already messed with both, and so what's your theory? Yeah, when you're the lab, like, what does that look like? I love mixing a bunch of shit together,

Starting point is 00:11:00 and I don't recommend that. It's actually probably dangerous, but the way out you should use the Red Juice is when you wean yourself off of stimulants. Because it'll help you with the side effects. When you start to go off stimulants, you feel like crap, right? But the Red Juice has got beetroot powder, it's got rodeo a little bit, it's got some other stuff in there that'll kind of make you feel better.

Starting point is 00:11:23 That's stimulatory, but you'll feel better. So when you go off caffeine, red juice is great for that. Now, if you want to be an asshole, then you throw everything together and see what happens. Well, I don't recommend that. I mean, you don't recommend it, but there is something kind of cool about the calming effect that you get from the red juice and like kind of natural energy and then doing something that's like stimulant based and combining them together. It almost kind of reminds me of that feeling I get with like, theonine and caffeine. A little bit, but I would rather do goal juice with that then.

Starting point is 00:11:51 Oh, yeah. If I don't do that, then I'll go goal juice with stimulants, and then I'll get that balance. The red juice might actually amp it up a little bit. So you taper that high a little bit, so it can extend it longer. Yeah, yeah. In fact, I've been doing the gold juice.

Starting point is 00:12:05 Because the gold juice has cordiceps and things like that, and it right? No, it's got turkey tail, I think, racies in there. Oh, racies, that's right. It's got mushroom in it. It's got calming ingredients in there. It's got good, you know, turmeric in there,

Starting point is 00:12:18 which is good for inflammation. So that's why they say drink it at night. It's relaxing, help you sleep. But you take it with the stimulant, you get this nice smooth kind of effect. But I have been taking it at night, actually, more, help you sleep. But you take it with the stimulant, you get this nice smooth kind of effect. But I have been taking it at night, actually, more reason because they have the pumpkin spice, which I like.

Starting point is 00:12:30 Yeah, I mean, I like that. So if I'm like going into workout, I want to be crazy stimulant. So give me all the stimulants, because I'm going to go, I'm going to go spend that. But if I want, and I'm taking in something like an energy drink or caffeine, and I'm just going to be on the podcast, or about, I like,

Starting point is 00:12:42 I love to pair it with something that brings it down. You know, it's funny about that. That's annoying. If I go hard on the stimulants, I cannot do high rep workouts. It's just too much. I have to do heavy, lower reps, aggressive, that kind of workout.

Starting point is 00:12:56 Too many stimulants with high reps, and I just too much. I'll lose my breath, my heart's beating too much and it just doesn't work. I have to be more calm to kind of whether the storm. My levels are so high with caffeine that like actually, the best combo, yeah, I go the opposite direction. Yeah, like I actually take the pure to get me more focus now because like the caffeine

Starting point is 00:13:18 just like keeps me going and interject and awake. I don't think it's cocaine in the middle of it. But now I have like more focus in memory recall when I add pure, like every time. It's so much better. You know, I was, when I was doing this and working out and I was like, oh cool, I could feel this, you know, compounding stimulant effect.

Starting point is 00:13:36 I was, you know, kind of thinking, reminiscing on the days of a Fedra. I haven't taken a Fedra in so long. I wonder if I would even feel that if I took it. Of course you would. Where would you find it? I don't even think you could buy it. Can you?

Starting point is 00:13:49 Can you buy a fedra? I can buy drugs online. You can buy a fedra. Oh, I'm losing will there's a way. Oh, legally? I'm not gonna go through your guy. Yeah, I don't know if you can. I don't wanna go through that guy.

Starting point is 00:13:58 Are you sure you wanna fedra? I got some milk. Yeah, yeah. No, I wonder, actually you can. Sudefed. Sudefed is chemical effedra. It's pseudo effedra. Yeah, that's why they make you give you

Starting point is 00:14:08 a lock it up now. Yeah, yeah, buy one at a time. Dude, how crazy is that? You go buy Sudefad. Yeah, you have an ID. Oh, yeah, ID. We have to track it. No more than once.

Starting point is 00:14:17 Oh, my God, dude. It's worse than buying anything else. Hey, did we bring up the Hollywood Hollywood Hollywood Hollywood Hollywood We'll fight. Oh my God, you were way off. Oh, sorry. I don't think we talked about it actually. So I wanted to I want to do.

Starting point is 00:14:29 I heard it sad. I heard it sad. It was really sad. So, okay, this was something we have, because we've talked about right, we've gone back and forth and debated. You've admitted that you were wrong on this with the speculating on where it would go

Starting point is 00:14:41 like as far as, but here's a thing that I didn't think about that may slow this idea down of all these crazy fights is the danger of them. And so many people chasing money just because you're popular or you're famous or people want to see the fight. And then they see it and something happen.

Starting point is 00:14:58 Yes, and then something happens. I think that's what everybody thought. People don't like to be reminded of how dangerous certain sports are. They just don't. You don't like watching be reminded of how dangerous certain sports are. They just don't. You don't like watching football and seeing somebody's knee bend the wrong way. It makes people cringe a little bit. You don't want to hear about brain trauma

Starting point is 00:15:13 and you don't want to see boxers get really knocked out real bad or punch Trump. You're not good. It makes you want to watch it. It's weird though, because part of you does, right? Part of you wants to think of it very gladiator-esque. Yeah, but you don't want to see it happen. You want to see it happen.

Starting point is 00:15:27 You want to see it happen. You want to know that it's possible. Yes. You want to know that it's dangerous. You could die a bone, you could come a broken out of your leg, you know, or stick it out of your leg. You want to know that because that's what makes it, I think, partially, why. It makes you exciting.

Starting point is 00:15:39 Exciting, right? But then you don't actually want to see it happen. And then when it does, it makes you realize, like, okay. And what you want is you want a good ending to the story. Like, if you see someone get knocked out real bad, you want to't actually want to see it happen. And then when it does, it makes you realize like, okay, and making what you want is you want a good ending to the story. Like if you see someone get knocked out real bad, you want to, you want to be able to see the person get up and shake the other person's hand. You ever watch a fight where the guy gets knocked out,

Starting point is 00:15:54 doesn't get up. And the guy was up in talks and, oh, yeah, I won the fight and the guy still knocked out. Yeah, it doesn't feel good to see that. So I heard, I heard Holyfield didn't, he looked, it was, it was hard to watch. But you know how old he's old man. How old is Holly felt? Doug, would you look at these 50s? I did or is he almost definitely too old to be taking punches from a heavy hitter? I mean, that's how I feel. And after you've been 58

Starting point is 00:16:17 Problems 60 years old. And you know how crazy? You know old around he's getting lumped. You can realize how old 58 is for somebody who has boxed professionally. It's not like a 58 year old. He's like 88 mentally, probably. I would assume I haven't even heard him talk. Does he sound like he's... But Trump, he doesn't sound as bad as Tyson sounds.

Starting point is 00:16:39 So he's not. But Tyson's always kind of, you know, when he talks like that. Did you guys see his clip with Patrick Bet David? No. Yeah, he said he said he'd be canceled and he says I have my own plane and then he goes up. He laughs for like a minute straight. And he's like, he can't even replicate his laugh either.

Starting point is 00:16:57 It's like a weird. So I have something like that. Like laughing like that. Mike Tyson. He's like a hyena or something. Patrick Beddain, I've been like, I've consuming his time. I really like his content.

Starting point is 00:17:11 Like his, he's been doing some really good interviews. Yeah, his platform value team it. He does a lot of great interviews. He brings on a lot of guests that he, that disagree with them. He does a great job interviewing. I really, really like his content that he puts out. You know, Mike Tyson's one of those guys

Starting point is 00:17:25 that even if you're friends with him and you're cool and you joke around, you would never tease him too much because you think he's gonna snap. You saw that, did you ever see the, it was the roast of, I forget if it was like David Hasselhoff or whoever it was, but he was on the panel and he goes up there and he's like kind of throwing his jokes up. But like they all were trying to like chip

Starting point is 00:17:48 and like throw shots at him and then realizing like, oh, he gets up and like you see them just go shit. Like he could kill you. Like you better watch what you say. We're gonna go backstage at some point. I don't wanna do that. This is Iron Mike. Yeah, I think I did watch that

Starting point is 00:18:03 and you can even see some of the comedians poke fun at him, but they always ended with, I'm just kidding. I that. I don't want to do that. This is Iron Mike. Yeah, I think I did watch that. And you can even see some of the comedians poke fun at him, but they always ended with, I'm just kidding. I just know I love you. And you're the grace all the time. Oh, I'm not hurting. Hey, by the way, what I'm about to say is not true. It's totally joking.

Starting point is 00:18:14 Okay, all right, here we go. Yeah, dude. That's what I'm saying. Hey, have you guys ever heard of a person named Freddie oversteigen? I got to pull up this information. Oh, Freddie oversteigen, yeah. You up this information. Freddie over Stiegen, yeah. You probably haven't.

Starting point is 00:18:27 And that's okay, because neither have I, but I'm gonna go over this Wikipedia. So this person, their birthday just happened, it's a woman, okay? And she was part of the Dutch resistance during the occupation of the Netherlands in World War II. So World War II, Nazi Germany is just obviously going in, taking places over, and doing bad shit. Everybody knows that. This woman was a part of the first of all,

Starting point is 00:18:54 consider this, okay. I know everybody likes to fantasize and romanticize about how awesome they'd be in a situation like that. No, most everybody, 99.9% of everybody watching this would be a massive pussy and you'd be scared and you would not be the resistance because they would kill people right in front of you. You'd be scared. So here's a woman who was a part of this resistance, that's her. During a time when the Nazis literally would execute you on the spot and kill you and what did she do? She helped hide Jews, she helped smuggle them out. She also would seduce German soldiers, take them into the woods,

Starting point is 00:19:31 like she was gonna have sex with them, and then kill them herself. Herself? Herself. Gainster as fuck. Her and other women would do. Stabbing or what would she do? Gun stabbing, like she gets, dude.

Starting point is 00:19:44 Wow. How's your not a documentary about this? There should be a documentary about this woman. Yeah, like a real badass, you know, to do something like that to have the how did you come across the story? So I saw an article that because her, she died a few years ago, but her birthday was, let me see when her birthday, her birthday came up

Starting point is 00:20:00 and it was something like September, his or her birthday. There was kind of a similar story, but it was about, it was these Russian women pilots. So they, I guess this one lady was like created her own squad. And basically they were just like terrorizing Nazis and they were afraid of them because they would like fly over and just like demolish like these these camps of of of of Nazis and of course this is all pass on from like drunk history I watch that show they're like going over all this stuff and it was hilarious but it was like wow, is this real and it's real? And it was like pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:20:47 Like these stories, you know, that you find out later like these badass women that just like would do what a lot of the other pilots wouldn't do. You know some of the most feared people in, I don't know, war, I guess you would want to say are female spies. Because one of the greatest weaknesses among men, especially egotistical men, is an attractive woman. And female spies are very effective at

Starting point is 00:21:15 getting men to tell them secrets and lowering them into lower our guard. You feel safe. Ah, it's a girl. We're gonna go to the woods just me and her. I'm gonna bang right. And they know kill your ass. Yeah, so they're very dangerous. One might say women are pretty good at manipulating to it. Yeah, they're a little bit. They're smarter. They got a little bit of an edge on men for sure. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:21:33 That wouldn't work on a woman. Hey, you want to come to woods alone? We'll make love. Like fun. The night witches. Thank you, Doug. That's what their name was. The night witches.

Starting point is 00:21:41 Oh, the night witches. Wow, the daring female. Where's the doc, where's the movies out of these these chicks. I know they should make a movie about this too Instead of Instead of taking old classics and throwing women in it to think it's gonna be better like Ghostbusters What that stupid do this? This is true real shit? Yeah, so that's a stuff that I want to see I wonder if there's already something in the works I wouldn't be surprised if there's something that's already being done with it. I mean, it's a true story

Starting point is 00:22:02 Yeah, you know, you guys see by the way I might just keep doubling and tripling down on the MMA talk because, you know, because fuck you. That's why. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me what I can't. I can't get that.

Starting point is 00:22:12 I can't get that. Sucka, did you see Connor McGregor? God damn, what a, did you see him with machine gun Kelly? So you just like hit a drink and swallowing it? So okay, you guys know, machine gun Kelly is who got into the battle rap with

Starting point is 00:22:26 Eminem a couple years ago. And he's like this wierry, you know, looks like he sings with two three like 130 pound dude. And I don't know the back supposedly a Connor was walking through and supposedly machine gun Kelly pushed him. Now I didn't see now there's lots's lots of, I watched all the clips to see, like, if you could catch that. But like, Connor, like, takes a swing at him, dude. And they had to separate all of them and, and making a big old deal. So, you know, here's the thing, this is like, and I wanted to talk about this after the event, because, you know, is this gonna be, are we gonna really start to see this fake drama stuff all the time?

Starting point is 00:23:03 He's famous, you know, machine gun, Gellie's famous, he's got a, and Connor, everyone's gonna wanna see him get knocked out, and so they stage all these, you know, at a big event like the VMAs, they stage a big bullshit, you know, it smells that way. It does smell that way to me, and I feel like so many people are doing it right now. It's obnoxious.

Starting point is 00:23:20 Until people get sick of it, I, McGregor completely lost my respect when he's swung at that old guy at the bar. Like, you know what he's acting like right now? He's acting like a spoiled thug. Like, you're making all this money, you're real successful. What are you doing, bro?

Starting point is 00:23:35 You have no honor, relax. You're acting, and the fact that now he's gotten his ass kicked a couple times, it looks even more ridiculous that you're out there pissed off. Did you see that meme of him going or or getting, I forget who posted, I wish I'd given credit, but there's like someone posted this of like,

Starting point is 00:23:48 it might have been Mike Dolce, I don't know. It was like his cycle of like, you know, talks all kinds of shit, you know, hypes fight up, gets a fight, gets his ass kicked, humble for two weeks, start cycle again. See? That's kind of like his, that's his MO right now. It's like he's, He's so good though at

Starting point is 00:24:05 hyping his shit up. Yeah, but he loses that after he keeps losing. Well, I think that's, I mean, I think ever, I mean, of course, everybody got roped into the last one, but you lose enough times consistently and people are over it. People will be all over it. Plus, there's a part of me. I get the business side of it and I'm the entertainment side and I respect that. I think that's a part of it. Then there's the martial artist side of it. I've been doing martial arts, and I haven't done it a long time, but I grew up doing it as a kid and I did it

Starting point is 00:24:30 as a young adult. And martial arts represent honor, respect and discipline with fighting. It's not the same as fighting out in the street and kicking someone's ass. A big part of martial arts has always been the art aspect of it and the discipline. And so when it goes too far,

Starting point is 00:24:48 it makes your day in your entertainment. Yeah, I was just teenist with cells. I know, but at some point, I'm the purity of all sports has been started. It's bastardized. It's already been bastardized. It's not, and I would never judge someone of doing, I mean, he's playing the game.

Starting point is 00:25:03 Like in that, and that's your, I know, but when you hit that old guy at the bar, come on, dude, who's that guy? Is him old guy? Listen, to me, it's not that much different. Part of his loose cannon nature, it's not that much different than in our space where we have to like, we have to spend,

Starting point is 00:25:16 we, our goal always is to provide content that adds tremendous value. But unfortunately, after we do that, we have to sit down and think of a clever title that makes people click on it. And sometimes it has to be click baity just to get your attention so we can then deliver value to. And we don't like that, but it's put that's it we're fighting fire with fire. Right. So that's kind of how I feel about someone like that. Like I would never shame them that much because that's his fucking craft. His job is to punch people in the face and get paid as much money as he possibly can.

Starting point is 00:25:45 And he's one of the best. Yeah, but you hit an old guy. Well, I'm not swallowing. I'm not defending that. I'm not defending that. That was inexcusable for sure. Yeah, that's when you lose my, that's when you lose my. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:54 But that was a long time. I mean, he did that before his proper 12 and stuff came in. Isn't that what it was over? Wasn't it like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I said his wish to his ship as whiskey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes and punch his own like, what the hell? Yeah, what's wrong with you?

Starting point is 00:26:04 All right, do you ever wonder though too of some of that stuff is stage for marketing reasons like to get even bat even bad Popus in my whiskey and your personal guy in the face even bad publicity. I'm a publicity So maybe I mean for all you and I know I mean if you think he's that much of a master at Marketing advertising himself you tell a guy like hey listen, so I'm gonna do I want to have you I'm gonna give you 10 grand cash on the table. I want you to stir it up about, we're gonna create, and nobody knows, but the two of them, and then it goes viral all over the place.

Starting point is 00:26:34 You're hated by millions, but then you got, people are talking about you. Speaking of which, there was a story I read a long time ago that this guy paid to other guys to pretend mug him. I mean, he was with a woman. Oh, I thought you were talking about the, no, I'm not talking about that other reason. I paid to other guys to pretend to mug him. I mean, he was with a woman. Oh, I thought you were talking about the- No, I'm not talking about that other reason.

Starting point is 00:26:48 Would he just use Mollett? Yeah, that's so small. That was a different, that's so dumb. This is just a complete dumb, right? Yeah. This guy literally paid to guys to pretend to mug him and his girlfriend and then allow him to kick their asses. That's smart.

Starting point is 00:27:01 In front of his girlfriend, I know. That's not dumb, that's smart. So, shit, I would do. He's saying, she's in there. She's trying to impress this chick. So I know that's not dumb. That's smart So shit I would do Trying to press this chick. So dude. This is gonna give me action This going back to dump me dumb things men do for sure She's just like I bet you she told him like three nights before they haven't had sex yet She's like, you know what turns me on. Yeah, it's seen a man defend his woman or something. You know what I'm saying? So he's like, hmm, I'm trying to get this, dude.

Starting point is 00:27:25 Hey, you give me your purse. Hold on right here. Let me go take care of this real quick. Let me handle this. But there's two of them. I know. Don't worry about it. I got there.

Starting point is 00:27:33 You know how much that'll backfire in the future if they stayed together? Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh, fuck you. My husband will figure it out. No, the exact same. He should start getting them in fights.

Starting point is 00:27:40 You know what I'm saying? I'm picking on some big guy in the bar. No, honey. Yeah, my husband will kick your ass. Remember my shoulder hurts. I my shoulder stuff. You want to just keep quiet. We're funny. Let's go soar from the last bout. Let's go somewhere else. You know me anyway. All right, speaking of click baby stuff. Do you guys know what the best ages for sex sexual satisfaction for

Starting point is 00:27:59 men or women? Both. What? Yeah. So generally speaking different. Probably older. No, they picked it. They put me in. I would women. I would say 35 different probably older no, they picked it They put in I would women I would say 35 men 25. No, they did a huge study Men and women and they found that the best fucking they found that generally the best age. Yeah, it's in the 40s mid 40s mid 40s men and women report the best sex of their life generally speaking Yeah, right on their mid 40. I Okay, so there's some things that add up and make sense to that, right? Maybe you're not at your sexual prime

Starting point is 00:28:29 as far as how much you're having it, but you've probably refined the skill and figured out what you like. Confident? And yeah, everything that you like, I mean, at that point, right? Yeah, and you're confident in it. And I mean, let's be honest,

Starting point is 00:28:39 if you're ever gonna get hit on by a couple at a fucking vacation spot, it's gonna be in their 40s. It could be, you know, that's when they're confident, that's when they're like, we know, we like it. Whatever, but at that, that was very interesting. So a lot of people listening and watching right now, like, you know, you think you're having good sex,

Starting point is 00:28:56 it'll get better. It's just weight. Yeah. That's really cool stuff. Or the guys that are always going try to really young girls telling them like, listen, it gets better when you go start going up an age. Like, I remember telling my buddies that these

Starting point is 00:29:06 that tease me because I always liked older women. I liked older women when I was in my 20s. They always dated like 10 years older than I was. 10 years older? Yeah. Yeah for sure. I was always dating. What was the biggest age gap between you and a woman

Starting point is 00:29:17 that you were? Well that 10, 10 to 12 probably. So how old are you and how old are you? So you're like 25, she's? I'm early 20, she's in her 30s. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So always like, you know, and maybe. Do you learn a lot are you? 25. Early 20, she's in her 30s. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:25 So always like, you know, and maybe you learn a lot. Absolutely. Yeah. Great student. Yeah. For sure. It's cocky as I am. Very humble.

Starting point is 00:29:35 After I'm open to learning, after she's done rocking the world, she makes you a sandwich, gets it. Yes. In the middle. I gave you some gold fish too, so make sure you snack on these. That's right, dude. Have a good day. You know, snack pack.

Starting point is 00:29:48 Thank you. You know, here's something kind of neat. I saw a pop it up right now. I don't know how much you guys care about this. I pay attention to this. The what's going on with like betting, right? Gambling is like exploding because all these states are legalizing it.

Starting point is 00:30:03 And I bought stock in draft kings. I bought stock in Penn, which is bar stool, the company that bought them. They're doing well. Yeah, I've done decent on both those. I mean, nothing crazy, but I've done pretty well. I bought them quite a while ago. But what I'm not happy about that I'm seeing,

Starting point is 00:30:20 because they were kind of the leaders in the space. Like, draft kings is kind of leading the fantasy gambling thing I like pen because of bar still sports But now I see And so what you're seeing is now is so mgm has their own Basically betting, you know online betting platform now, too So I think it's pros now we're getting involved. Yeah. Yes. So I mean you're getting pros big money behind The market is gonna this is gonna advance very quickly. Yes. Yes. So I mean, you're getting pros, big money behind the market. The market is going to this is going to advance very quickly. Yes. Wow. That's exciting.

Starting point is 00:30:49 And you're seeing commercials on like big, you know, I don't know what I was watching. I was watching some some game. Oh, I think it was Monday night football. Now, you know, it's exciting about this, Adam, is that reminds me a bit of the marijuana market because a lot of the arguments against loosening up the laws on marijuana was, it's gonna be worse. More people are gonna be addicted to pot, it's gonna cause more problems. Of course, the argument in support of it was, it reduces the black market.

Starting point is 00:31:12 There's gonna be less problems there, because people in the black market handle their issues without police, without courts, but tends to be through violence, illegal activity. Now that marijuana has been legalized or the laws have been loosened, what we've actually found is both people are, there's right in both.

Starting point is 00:31:30 More people smoke weed than ever before, but also the black market shrank. And we're seeing tax-prone. I would challenge that though. I don't think that. You see the conversion of black market going into. No, I think the first thing he said, I think just as many people of smoke weed,

Starting point is 00:31:44 I think just people are more okay about admitting it now. So one of the things I was so blown away, when I first got in the space, I still... I've seen lots of studies on that. We have one of the fucking surveys asking people. I mean, that's the best you could do. Right. Okay, so if you're a doctor, and it's illegal just 15, 20 years ago and a survey asked you, do you smoke weed?

Starting point is 00:32:07 What do you answer on that survey? Today, when you legally can do it in the state you're in and that same person gets asked, did you change because the laws or now you're willing to admit? Well, okay, I now mind you, you're speaking from survey studies, I'm speaking from experience of running a club and I was blown away by the lawyers and church going straight narrow people and just people you just would not think smoke weed would come in and pick up their stuff.

Starting point is 00:32:37 I think you make a good point. I think that's definitely part of it, but you can't ignore the fact that there's a lot of people that wouldn't would avoid buying it because they don't wanna go through the black mark. Agreed. This stigma is a certain level. The stigma's definitely changed.

Starting point is 00:32:51 So I have to believe that you're gonna see, anytime you increase the accessibility of things, change the stigma, you're gonna see more you. Well, I also think there's gonna be, it always be an initial wave because it's that's new and try it. Yeah. Like we said right now, okay, if all of a sudden we said

Starting point is 00:33:08 cocaine is fully legal. For sure, more people will be, well, no, it's legal. I've always wanted to kind of try that out. I mean, it would initially grow right away because everybody would be like, okay, now it's accepted. So all those people that were on the fence or maybe people that couldn't get it before now go do it. But then I think it kind of levels off after you see the addictive properties and the

Starting point is 00:33:29 negative side of it. I think that's kind of the natural evolution of allowing. So I mean, I think we're all, maybe we're all, maybe I'm not sure, on the same page of like I don't think any of that stuff should be illegal. I think the fact that you make it illegal, there's more danger in the black market. And I think the same amount of people would do it or wouldn't do it. I really do. I agree with you.

Starting point is 00:33:47 I think I'm not like pro, nothing, no regulation, kids could, you know, whatever, but like you look at Portugal, Portugal decriminalized all drugs, all drug, any drug decriminalized for small amounts. Now decriminalized not the same as legal, right? So you can't go to the store in Portugal and buy heroin or cocaine,

Starting point is 00:34:06 but if you get caught by a police officer with a personal use. Yeah, pretty much, yeah, it pretty much protects you from using if you want to, but it keeps you from being a dealer, which I think that's a guy. I like that. I like that. And they show so far that it's actually reduced overdoses. Sure. And it's increased the amount of people willing to get treatment,

Starting point is 00:34:21 because there's not as much of a stigma. So I agree with that. So with this thing with betting and gambling, we'll probably see more people in the gambling market, but I also think you'll probably going to see less of the shit that happens behind closed doors type of gambling because it's going to be so much more accessible. Accessible. And sure, the tax collector's going to love that. How much money they don't make on gambling that happens at the black market?

Starting point is 00:34:44 Oh, yeah. I wonder how much money they could possibly generate. Yeah, I wonder how many people. I mean, I still use my bookie, right? I've been because I've been using them for so long. I can say that, Doug. Am I okay? No, probably not. Hey, it's you. That's your body. I'm a friend who still uses it. I like it when you talk for other people. He's a bit of a librarian. We call him a bookie. I like it when you talk for other people. Yeah, yeah. You know, my friend is still using the same bookie that he's been using forever. I like it when you talk for a little bit of a librarian. We call them a bookies. I like it when you talk for other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My friend is still using the same bookie

Starting point is 00:35:08 that he's been using forever, even though that you can use all these new plagues. Bro, you literally can't help yourself. Like you have no lying filter. He's honest. It's probably gonna get me trouble now. 100% is gonna get you a trouble one day, but that's what I love about you.

Starting point is 00:35:22 You can ask Adam, anything. It's a lie. And we'll come out before he can filter it. It's the truth. Yeah. And that afterwards he'll try to filter it. A little bit of curse. Hey, did you guys, there's an interesting trial

Starting point is 00:35:33 that I'm watching right now. So these mRNA type vaccines, obviously the one the most familiar with is the COVID vaccine. It's a new technology, very interesting. And I said this in the beginning, as we learn more, potentially, this technology could really transfer into some interesting spaces.

Starting point is 00:35:52 What is it? For example, the way that they work, right, is they'll inject the type of an RNA instruction into yourselves creating something else. It's a new technology, in essence. What they're doing in this new trial. Genetic treatment, they're testing a cancer vaccine. And so far in the animal trials, it's working.

Starting point is 00:36:09 Really? Yes. Well, it's a phase two or phase three. And oftentimes you see phase two, phase three trials. Look, promising. Pull this up, Doug. I want to see this. So what is the, I mean, what, how?

Starting point is 00:36:22 So what they'll do, it's a percentage, like, what are we seeing? It's very effective. I don't remember the exact numbers. I'll send it to Doug, because I have, I mean, what, how? So what they'll do, it's like, what are we seeing? It's very effective. I don't remember the exact numbers. I'll send it to Doug, because I have, I saved it. Wow. But essentially what they'll do is they'll identify your cancer and then be able to create a vaccine. Now, is it because of COVID and us having to accelerate this

Starting point is 00:36:37 and make this happen that this is now, they've started to do the research for cancer and that wasn't something they were doing already? No, this was already something. This was something that's going on. So this is, okay, so I'll read the title of this here. It's bio-NTech RMNA cancer treatment moved to human trials after huge success from mice. So it did so well with animals that now they're moving to one of the last phases, which is

Starting point is 00:37:04 to do it with humans. And it showed tremendous promise. I didn't hear what was, did you give it a percentage? Or you just said no, I can look at it. I'm kind of going through right now to try and see. I think we'd have to find the exact study to see. But nonetheless, it was, can you explain to like, oh, here we go. Here we go.

Starting point is 00:37:22 They, they, in this particular trial with 20 mice with melanoma is very aggressive forms of cancer. Okay 17 of them from this mRNA 17 of them effectively shrank their tumors to nothing within 40 days. So out of 20 with an aggressive cancer 17 tumor gone from this particular And and it inhibited the growth of these tumors in other parts of the body as well So can you explain this one and then also like the coat because they're not technically in the COVID vaccine is not technically a vaccine Right technically like a it goes in and it changes DNA code is that am I No, I mean it's like a genetic treatment. That's, yeah, that he changes DNA, no?

Starting point is 00:38:05 Yes, but it's a vaccine in the sense that you take it to build immunity. So an mRNA therapy would be you already have cancer. So I mistakenly called it a vaccine. It's a therapy, but with the same technology. So a therapy would be like, oh, you already have COVID. Let's give you this and then it helps fight it. A vaccine is we give you this now. You build up immunity. Therefore, later on, you could fight the disease. That's the definition this and then it helps fight it. Vaccine is, we give you this now, you build up immunity,

Starting point is 00:38:25 therefore later on you could fight. The definition of what makes it a vaccine and it's not this DNA thing that everybody keeps, like I don't know. Yes, loosely, that's loosely the definition. And correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, it's like you didn't help me out there. People out there.

Starting point is 00:38:38 Hey, I feel just as confused. Hey, let me explain something. It's this much depth and subjects I have. It's a lot of subjects. So stop acting. The deep shyness. Wait, I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:38:51 I'm working pretend like I know, so I thought maybe you might, you might have a little bit more. But this is really cool because this could, the cancer, and I know a lot about, I'm not a doctor on it at all, but I know a lot about it because I've studied a lot because it's been personal to me. And it's so hard. I used to think that, oh, there's a treatment out there, they don't want to know.

Starting point is 00:39:08 Oh, it's big pharma. No, man. Each cancer is different. It's cells. And whatever kills cells, kills all your cells, usually. Very hard to treat, very hard to kill, and find. It's a very complicated problem. Now, have you heard much to, and this is like something I just read about loosely, so I don't know all the details of it, but they were actually like experimenting like with other viruses to inject people with sometimes to treat certain viruses.

Starting point is 00:39:39 So they would take like, I don't know if it was like like a herpes or a... Yeah, yeah. And like inject it to build like a different type of anabolic. Well, that's the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Is that so if you took Johnson Johnson, you have herpes now? No, no, no, no. He's fucking scared every like a couple million people right now.

Starting point is 00:39:59 That's why they pulled it off the shell. Yeah, don't worry. You can only get it once. So it shows it. No, here's what it is. It burns. It burns. They use a off the shell. Yeah, don't worry, you can only get it once though. It's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it they use, I don't think it's an adenovirus, I don't know if I'm saying it right,

Starting point is 00:40:26 it's an adenovirus vector. So it's basically a harmless virus, not gonna make you sick, and they take that, and then they put in it this spike protein that they want to be reproduced in your body, that your body will then identify if you get COVID type of deal. So different than mRNA, mRNA tells yourselves

Starting point is 00:40:43 to make this spike protein, which then you build an immunity to. It can reach that with your cells. So, wow. And that's very, very, very, very, very different. I'd not to shit on your study or anything, but it wouldn't be me if I didn't do that. Would you know what? Respect it now.

Starting point is 00:40:57 Yeah, right. Yeah, right. I know I pissed some people, but some people appreciate it. What percentage of mice studies actually make it to human studies and are effective? Very few make it to human studies, and then when they do make it to human studies, very few make it past.

Starting point is 00:41:15 So, and there's been a lot of promise when it comes to cancer. So it's fun to speculate and talk about a cool mice study, but the reality of it is it has to translate. A one and maybe a 10 chance of it. Probably even less. Now here's what's exciting about this. What's exciting about this is this is a completely new technology and it's showing a lot of promise. So a lot of scientists are excited about, you know what the problems by the way with treatments? Is it cost so much money to go through the FDA process?

Starting point is 00:41:46 I think it's like $100 million more. Yeah, I saw a documentary on that one time. It's amazing. It's like 10 years, $100 million, maybe even more than that, of research and investment to figure out a new treatment. And so here you are, a pharma company. And I think it might even be more than 100 million. I think I'm low-bullying it.

Starting point is 00:42:02 But let's say you have all this money, like, okay, we want to figure out a new cancer treatment. And then you sit down with your scientists or whatever and they say, okay, oh, here we go. How much does it cost? A phase one, two, three clinical trials, three, 13, 20 million. Yeah, over the course of 10 years, it's typically far more than that, right?

Starting point is 00:42:21 We're all on the line. I saw something that confirmed what yours. I saw a documentary on this and it talked about that's one trial. The 10-year period, like, I mean, talk about totally, you know, having to have a monopoly in order to do that. Like, I mean, so it's a handful of companies can even afford to do that.

Starting point is 00:42:37 So in essence, okay, tens of millions to as much as a hundred million, let's just say, right? So, let's say you see now with your scientists, you're like, okay, we want to figure out a cancer treatment. You got scientists over here saying, you know what? We have this theory. It's a new kind of treatment. We think it might work. If it does, it'll be a blockbuster. And then you got this person over here saying, you know, chemo is proven. We're going to tweak it a little bit and make it less harsh and more effective. And you got a hundred million million in 10 years to invest, you're betting your capital.

Starting point is 00:43:07 You want to do this brand new, like totally risky, probably not gonna work treatment, or this one that's based off of technology that has got market viability, has got some effectiveness, however bad it is. That's what ends up happening. So what do we end up with? New forms of opiates for pain relief, new forms of chemo, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:43:23 So that's the problem with this whole process. That's one of the challenges. With having all these regulations that make it so expensive, you know, to create a new. It's a terrible parallel, but they totally do that in the movie industry. Yeah, totally. You know, like it's, it's,

Starting point is 00:43:38 it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a proven concept that we're gonna funnel money into because we just tweak it or add like a different cast of people because we know we can predict like box office for instance. That's why so much stuff is trapped. Exactly, there's nothing

Starting point is 00:43:51 originally original stuff that's so different. Hey, so hard to find it. Speaking of original, so NCI, right, company we work with, Oh, I got them tonight. Oh, you're on there tonight? Yeah. So they do coaching for coaches and trainers

Starting point is 00:44:02 helping them be successful and they're very unique in their approach very effective Unfortunately a lot of bullshit and sharp. This is why we took so long to work with anybody It's because there's so many people praying on New coaches and trainers giving the money and actually giving them no value Dude, did you see what they're gonna give away right now? So I want to make sure I get this right Doug if you could scroll down there to I was like $10,000 So this is a what a training of coaching so this is a training and coaching I want to make sure I get this right, Doug, if you could scroll down there. There it is. I heard it was like $10,000.

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Starting point is 00:45:00 And I didn't know that, so he has kind of like a high-end, like mastermind group thing that he does. And then where he takes on only a select amount of people and it's a higher purchase price. But one of the sickest parts that I didn't know he does this is the people have to pay half of it up front and he does not make them pay the rest until he's delivered

Starting point is 00:45:23 on them making $10,000 a month. Yeah. How fucking sick a month. Yeah. How fucking sick is that? Yeah. Well, that's really smart. The great guarantees. I love that too because it's like, one of the things I don't like about mastermind groups

Starting point is 00:45:33 is this, you know, you're 90% of them in there are never gonna reach that potential and they're just pumping their money in this, you know, pipe dream. But they didn't know they're taking their money. Yeah, and so I just, I've never been, I would never really sleep at night doing that, but doing that really puts a lot of pressure on him to deliver.

Starting point is 00:45:50 Yep. Yeah, because then you ain't get you ain't making the rest of your money if you can't get these people up to that up to that 10k. And I think that's really cool. I didn't know that he did that. Yep. Hey, thanks for listening to the show. Real quick, head over to one of our partners, drink OliPOP.com.forstashmindpump.

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Starting point is 00:46:47 Good stuff, low calorie, no artificial anything, good for your gut. Drink OliPOP.com forward slash Mind Pump. Alright, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Thomas from Virginia. Hey, what's up Thomas, how can we help you? Hi, good afternoon guys, thanks for having me. Yeah, no problem. Quick summary of a little background, bottom line. Hey, what's up Thomas how can we help you? Hi, good afternoon guys. Thanks for having me. Yeah, no problem

Starting point is 00:47:10 Quick summary of a little background bottom line. I have a I feel like I have a I'm a poster child of a what you guys talk about often having a very slow to almost no metabolism Basically the last year partly do the COVID etc. COVID, et cetera, just gained a lot of weight, gained a lot of unwanted body fat, and I've just been really trying to cut that down. I've done a couple other workout programs until I discovered Joel's podcast, and I have gone through anabolic, and it's definitely working. I want to say that for sure, but I am basically at a point where I'm trying to increase my calories, but bottom line, my metabolism is just really slow and really starting to get under my skin. Thomas, have you ever done like a bulk

Starting point is 00:48:07 where you were trying to actually gain muscle for an extended period of time or have you been kind of doing the, I see you've done hit and you've done the whole 30 and you've ran, you look like you're eating 12,500 to 1500 calories, but have you ever tried to actually build and put on weight for an extended period of time?

Starting point is 00:48:28 Have you been trying to run a deficit whenever you've been focused on getting in shape? I've definitely always done the deficit thing. I am currently trying to increase my calories. Honestly, it's my wife and I are both countin' macros right now. And I thought I was doing great even yesterday, and I look at my own account and I literally was at 1,500 and just stuffed to the brim. But no, I have not specifically done a bulk. Okay. You said stuff to the brim. So you're finding that eating 15-hour calories and you can't eat more because you get too full eating them.

Starting point is 00:49:08 Yes, pretty much. Yes. You know, partly again, closer child here, earlier this year did the whole 30 tried keto last year. intermittent fasting. I was doing, I think earlier this year, I could go without eating until honestly dinner. I'd do like a smaller meal at lunch, but no breakfast and skip. So, you know, since I've been doing anabolic, I've really focused on trying to do three meals a day and fit in the snacks. But, so, yes, I've had some days where I'm over 2,000 calories, but those are the days where I do feel stuff. Well, I mean, I want to be clear, there's nothing necessarily wrong with metabolism that runs

Starting point is 00:49:53 off of lower calories. Now, we have to look into more detail. Is this due to certain factors or the health issues, but if you're otherwise healthy and you're eating low-ish calories and you feel okay and your strength is going up, there isn't really necessarily a need to try to push it as high as you possibly can unless you're finding that it's hard for you to get leaner at those low calories and you don't want to go any lower. In other words, if you're eating 1500 to 2000 calories, you're like, you know, that satisfies me. But I do wanna get leaner.

Starting point is 00:50:26 But also, if I eat more than that, it just feels like too much food. That's a bit of a different strategy. If that's the case, is that the case with you, Thomas, or are you like, look, 15 to 200 to 2,000? Too low, I'm hungry, and that's the challenge. I think what's the issue here? No, I'm definitely satisfied and pretty full.

Starting point is 00:50:47 Specifically, the last two weeks, because my wife started doing it as well. I've been trying to get, honestly, above $2,800. And so far, I've got that like one. Yeah, no, no. Take your time, especially since your goal has been to get leaner, take your time and allow the workouts to stimulate your appetite, unless you're feeling challenged by eating only 1,500 to 2,000 calories.

Starting point is 00:51:15 I wouldn't worry so much about pushing the calories as much as I would by sending the right signal to your body to build muscle and get stronger. That will start to typically get your appetite to go up as well, just to fuel your body. The other thing I would do is if you have any symptoms or signs of hormone imbalances or testosterone imbalances, get that checked and see where your testosterone levels are. Sometimes low testosterone can cause that. Now that being said, strength training them properly, pretty much reliably will raise testosterone as well.

Starting point is 00:51:45 And you've been going through anabolic phase one and you haven't really noticed much of an appetite increase? Well, so, yeah, let me dive in there a little bit. I have noticed an appetite increase. I don't want the best gain that I've had like actually feeling hungry in the morning. So here's where I'm a little mystified and I didn't put this on my question but I did I'm actually starting in a bulk again but I did you know not all nine weeks I did the three days a week program and I gained 12 pounds

Starting point is 00:52:30 I didn't I mean I wasn't trying to win myself, but I weighed myself before and after and shot right up. So Again, I was I'm slightly mystified how I could get that How you how you gain 12 pounds? Well, I mean well Yeah, it's not bad. I know it's not fast. Oh, well, that's that's freaking great You're're kicking ass. Yes as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, if you're strength, did your strength go up a lot? Yeah, insane. Yeah, okay, you're You're actually doing probably really fucking good, bro. You're on the right track. I would I would stay on that track Follow your appetite. What we don't want to do the reason why we encourage people to eat more and speed up the metabolism The reason why we encourage people to eat more and speed up their metabolism is usually

Starting point is 00:53:05 because the person struggles with the calories that they're eating and maintaining their body weight. Like my gosh, it's so hard for me to stay at this, you know, X amount of calories, I'm always hungry. In that particular scenario, we wanna try and get your metabolism faster because it makes it a lot easier. But if you feel good and you feel satisfied

Starting point is 00:53:24 and you're getting stronger and you're building muscle, let that be your God. I would just keep doing that, you're kicking out. And this is your second round now going through maps and a ball. Like after doing that, I'd go maps performance or maps aesthetic, which is kind of taking up to even another level. I do, I do think though, that your, your head is in the right place of wanting to, I know Sal's saying that you don't necessarily need to increase calories,

Starting point is 00:53:48 but you're a 40 year old male at over 200 pounds. Nutritionally, I think it would be advantageous to get your caloric intake up. So your body is getting all the micro-macro nutrients. Pretty hard to get the macro and micro-nutrients that the body needs with only 1500 calories for a 230 pound man, especially if you've got a good amount of lean body mass.

Starting point is 00:54:08 So your idea of wanting to increase, I think is a smart strategy, but to Sal's point, I, you don't need to stress about it so much that you need to push calories and allow the world. You, you, you, you get, you hit a good workout. Let's say you do a phase one, maps in a ball of workout, and the next day you wake up and you're hungry. That's an awesome sign, feed that,

Starting point is 00:54:29 but feed it, feed it, give it the calories it wants, and then maybe you have a next day's a trigger day, and your appetite's not roaring, and you only eat about 1500 calories. That's okay, don't stress about that. When it tells you that you're hungry, and you need calories, feed it, just make good choices. Feed it, and it sounds like,

Starting point is 00:54:45 oh, I don't know if I guess I'm speculating, but did you typically skip breakfast before? Was that like part of your day? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, like I said, I've had to change my lifestyle pretty drastically, which is, I know that's part of the process, but yeah, I was never eating breakfast.

Starting point is 00:55:01 Oh, yeah, you start making that a priority, and you start feeding yourself, because your body's obviously, you know, like giving you those signals, like feed me. So, you know, you start making that a priority and just, you know, watch how that sort of snowballs from there. Yeah, just really, if you send the right signals, if you're comfortable right now with your calories

Starting point is 00:55:19 in the sense that you don't feel like you're, oh my gosh, I need to eat more. Feed your body, what it needs, eat good, right? So pick good, make good choices, eat the adequate amount of protein, send this signal to build muscle. As you get stronger, you should see your appetite start to increase along the way.

Starting point is 00:55:36 Now, I do want to address something that it does put you at a disadvantage when you're at this low of calories. So although it's okay and what everyone's saying is right, here's where it can get really frustrating for someone like you who has an ultimate goal of losing more body fat and your everything's going pretty well right now, you have less room for air.

Starting point is 00:55:57 And what I mean by that is, you know, let's say Justin who eats closer to 3,500 calories a day decides, hey, it's Saturday. I'm going to have two beers and a slice of pizza because it's Saturday. I want to enjoy some football or whatever, right? So he, so he eats an additional, you know, 400 calories that, you know, aren't really that beneficial for him that he normally wouldn't. Well, that percentage of his maintenance of 3500 is, is a fraction compared to

Starting point is 00:56:24 what 400 bad calories say, you know, quote unquote, bad calories are for you. So you do have, and that's probably, you know, why I think it's a good idea that you're trying to increase calories over time and build them and tell us up so that you can have some balance in your life, have days like that occasionally, and it doesn't feel like it all sticks on you and you gain body fat. So it is important to know that that is one of the disadvantages of having the calories have days like that occasionally, and it doesn't feel like it all sticks on you and you gain body fat. So it is important to know that that is one of the disadvantages of having the calories

Starting point is 00:56:49 so low, even if you're satisfied, you're fine. It gives you less room for air if you eat outside your meal plan. But you're on the right track, just give it some time. Yeah, you're doing good, bro. Slowly, you're going to see, you'll probably see it start to increase over time. Strength gains are the best gauge. That is the best gauge. If you're stronger and you're doing a lot of things right,

Starting point is 00:57:09 it's hard to get consistently stronger and do a lot of things wrong. That's very, very hard to do that. And something that might help too, mentally for you, if you haven't done this already is to pick and get one of those digital scales that do the body fat test or go to if you have a local supplement place that normally has them or a gym and

Starting point is 00:57:27 Use that and again don't get hung up on whatever the initial number is but use that as a good gauge of you know Test your body fat and then you know follow the program take the advice. We're talking about nutritionally and then you know Fordous eight weeks later retest again because you know you may hover Around that same kind of body weight and not see a huge dip right away, but you're having this nice exchange where, you know, you've lost five pounds of fat, but you also gain five pounds of muscle. So the scales stayed the same, but you are dramatically changing your body composition and you are in a very nice place where I would love to see my clients.

Starting point is 00:58:01 Okay. All right. perfect. That's awesome. Now, Tom, Thomas, you're doing maps in a ball like, I think the best program to follow up with that is Maths Performance. If you don't have that, we'll send that over to you, okay? Okay, thank you guys so much. I did wanna say just one, one, one, thank you. I'm in the military, apply for the Air Force.

Starting point is 00:58:23 And, you know, I am my wife next time because I'm not the military, apply for the Air Force, and you know, I am my wife next to me because I'm not in social media channels that don't talk about a lot of the whatever trends on the Insta's or the Facebook's, but she makes one of me because I love y'all's podcasts so much, and when I drive to work, that's what I'm listening to. And you guys are authentic and genuine. And I don't know, I love it. You guys are changing lives out there, specifically mine. So, you can do what you're doing.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Thank you so much. And thank you for keeping us safe. Thanks for that. I appreciate what you do. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you guys. Take it easy.

Starting point is 00:58:59 Yeah, I mean, this conversation is, it was good because it shows the nuances of calories. You know, I remember when we talked to Bikolski, Ben Bikolski, right? So he was a pro bodybuilder, big IFBB bodybuilder. Later on, you know, he, now he's a podcast host and he's kind of a health and wellness guy. Very, very smart guy. One of the smartest bodybuilders I've ever met, love him. And I remember talking to him and I had this misconception around pro bodybuilder.

Starting point is 00:59:25 I remember this. And I said, you know, pro bodybuilders have just the rarest muscle building genetics, that's very true, right? They're like 0.01% of the population can build muscle like that among other things. And I said, and you guys probably also have this incredible digestive system to be able to eat 10,000 calories a day to build out that muscle. And he goes, no, not at all.

Starting point is 00:59:47 He goes, we have bodies that can build a tremendous amount of muscle on 3,000 calories a day. I blew my mind. Of course. Of course. So calorie efficiency is a real thing. And this guy, you know, he's eaten 2,000 calories a day. He's a big guy, but he's like, I feel good. Like, should I stuff myself? Cause it's too much food. It's like, if you feel good, you're healthy, and you're getting stronger, you're okay. And it'll probably go up as you get stronger.

Starting point is 01:00:13 So don't stress over it. So I think that was great advice, but I did think it's very important to address what I brought up because that's the thing you gotta be careful with someone like this. Cause you tell them all that and they're like, oh, cool, great, I'm doing so good. Nothing wrong with occasion. Yeah, and he tell them all that and they're like, oh, cool, great, I'm doing so good. Nothing on vacation.

Starting point is 01:00:25 Yeah, and he doesn't even have to do it that much. When you're that low a calorie, that's why I use the analogy, maybe we're just in the 3500 calories, they both eat the exact same thing and it's going to affect Justin's body. We're wiggle room. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, significantly different than that. So even though you're in a comfortable place and you're happy, the drawbacks of not, you know, trying to push the calories up there is that, hey, you're

Starting point is 01:00:51 human. You're probably going to have some birthday cake. You're probably going to have a night out with pizza or popcorn every now and then. And when you do, it's, you know, having a faster metabolins is insurance that you don't put all that on body fat. But hey, 500 calories to somebody, you know, which is, we all know 500 calories when you're eating junk food is like not, I can breathe that in. Right. Probably a thousand a 1500 more. Realistic.

Starting point is 01:01:16 So he could literally eat his, his, his whole entire day. Dumbled it. Yeah. Double it real quick. And that's the, that's the drawback of that situation is, he can be doing so good for like two weeks straight. And then he has one little hiccup. And that little hiccup affects him way more

Starting point is 01:01:32 than it would affect Justin having that same hiccup. Our next caller is Jasmine from California. Hey Jasmine, how can we help you? Hey guys, I'm very excited to be here. I'm from Orange County, California. I've been listening to guys for a year and love you guys talking about current events and I used to live in the Bay area so I can totally relate when you guys talk about tech trends and housing prices.

Starting point is 01:01:58 Yeah, so under you guys influence this year my focus is strength training and before that I did beginning competition and I was doing a lot of cardio. So my question is, how do I continuously make strength gains during offices of menstrual cycle? So, a little more context on that is, although there is not sufficient research, but there are some research showing that during different phases of menstrual cycle, women performance is at different level. So during the first phase, which is from period to ovulation about two weeks, because of her months, in this phase, women are performing average at a higher level and

Starting point is 01:02:40 lift higher, especially close to ovulation because of higher testosterone, many women hit PRs during this time. And after this time, the second phase of the menstrual cycle from ovulation to next period, there is increased progesterone, so performance job. And it's not the case for every woman, but it's exactly the case for everyone but it's exactly the case for me and notice After my ovulation every month my strength decreased and it's very apparent because

Starting point is 01:03:14 Rename focus is on pull up and I can do a pull up before ovulation, but I cannot after ovulation It's very discouraging because I work very hard to get there from a thick band to a medium band to thin band and finally got there and then lost it just after abolition. So I read a lot of articles and they all say, oh, during this phase you should try to relax and do some gentle yoga and gentle cardio, but I really want to make strength gains. So my question is how do I program my strength training workout during the entire phase so that even though I don't hit PRs every day, even though I don't perform at my best every day, how do I continuously program my workout to make strength gains? This is such a cool question that we actually talked before about creating a program specific

Starting point is 01:04:07 to this. Now here's why Dr. Joelline Brighton. Here's some of the reasons why we didn't. I'm going to ask you a question. Are you exactly the same as every single woman you've met in your life? No. Of course not. Here's the challenge and trouble with these kinds of studies and advice, okay?

Starting point is 01:04:28 Generally speaking there's truth behind some of the stuff, right? So when you're ovulating There's certain hormones that peak testosterone being one of them After that hormones change and that can change how you feel and blah blah blah The problem with this is if we take this at face value, oftentimes what it can do is it can make you ignore the most important possible thing, which is to listen to your own body. When I would train a client,

Starting point is 01:04:56 I don't care what phase of, you know, her menstrual cycle she's in. If she feels good and strong today, then we're gonna train in a way to, you know, to cater to that. If she's feeling a bit tired, I don't care if she feels good and strong today, then we're going to train in a way to, you know, to cater to that. If she's feeling a bit tired, I don't care if she's ovulating and it's in the first phase, and I'm reading this book and it says you should make, make strength gains. If she says she's tired, well, we're going to train at a much lower intensity.

Starting point is 01:05:17 So what I would do if I were you, this is good information to understand and know. It'll help you understand yourself. Ultimately though, what you need to do is take it and apply it to listening to your own body. So if you feel good, you have good energy, then it's okay to increase the intensity and train harder. If you don't, it's okay to train lighter with less intensity. Follow that.

Starting point is 01:05:40 That will guide you much better than these general pieces of advice. Now, to be a little bit more specific with your pull-up question, the mode, if you really want to get better at pull-ups, the best possible thing you can do with it is practice them every day. Now, I didn't say work out with them every day, but rather practice them every day. So get a pull-up bar at home, put a resistance band around it, because when you practice them, you don't want them to be super hard. And just get better at them every single day.

Starting point is 01:06:07 You will see strength gains in your pull ups very consistently and very quickly if you do it that way. The only value I see in the research around this and the articles, because I've read a lot of this stuff too. And like I said, we talked about writing one of these programs at one point. And this was the challenge in the hurdle we had. Is there such an individual variance between all of our female clients we trained to the sales point? You know, I've had somebody

Starting point is 01:06:33 on day three after their cycle feel this way. And then I've had a woman who felt completely the opposite. And so if I wrote a program that's for the masses that is, you know, telling you, oh, on this day of your cycle cycle back off and do this many sets of reps, like it's going to be so inaccurate for such a large percentage of people. So the only real value I see in this information is to help give someone insight who doesn't understand why, hey, man, why every time when I get to this part of my cycle, do I feel this way? And then you find out what's going on with your hormones

Starting point is 01:07:05 and it's like, oh, okay. And then you could have a little bit of empathy for yourself. So you're not beating yourself up. Like, what am I doing wrong? Or what's wrong with me? It's like, no, this is completely normal. A lot of women experience this. So just ride the wave.

Starting point is 01:07:18 You'll be fine in a few days and you'll be back the other way. But as far as trying to write some rigid program, I don't mean we don't even believe that take periods out of this and just a person who is trying to figure out their training program, we don't even believe anyone should follow our programs exactly to a T. You should always, and we're always coaching on this show on how to listen to your body and also calculate in, okay, last night. So if you're following a maps program, you know, a period aside, you're just following a maps program.

Starting point is 01:07:49 And it's your next day is for you to go hit heavy squats. And last night your kid keeps you up till three in the morning and you only get four hours of sleep. I'm not gonna have you follow that to a tee. We are gonna make it audible. And we're gonna scale back on the intensity. Well, that's actually the direction I was going to go is going to ask like if you've ever kind of checked

Starting point is 01:08:10 or tried out HRV and paid attention to your stress levels. And obviously you're in tune with your cycle and you're kind of making associations there. I'm wondering too, if that's something that you're pursuing and trying to track and get more understanding around too, of we've talked about this with Joe DeFranco to about how to get a grip tester in the morning

Starting point is 01:08:35 and give you a pretty accurate read of how ready you are. Your readiness factor going into a strength workout tends to help if you're the type of person that wants that kind of insight and can apply it. So, Jasmine, what he's saying essentially is you could, if you really want to get super technical, you could take a grip tester, I can't remember the name, a dynamometer, dynamometer. Yeah, dynamometer. It'll measure your strength.

Starting point is 01:09:03 My pump store, we have one. It'll measure your strength. We have one at mindpumpstore.com. You can measure your strength on it and do this for two weeks or three weeks in a row, use your non-dominant hand, notice your trends, and then if you're a lot higher than your average, you know that you probably can go harder that day if it's much below your average, then you wanna go a little easier.

Starting point is 01:09:21 But at the end of the day, even that, even that is just teaching you to start to listen to your body. There is no better coach in the world than you being able to listen to your body. That's just the bottom one. Just get you more in tune with your natural body signals. Totally. And so, here's what I want to do. Are you in our private forum, Jasmine?

Starting point is 01:09:38 Oh no. Okay, I'm going to give you free access to our private forum. And here's what I want you to do. Is I want you to ask people, because we have a lot of trainers, professionals in there, we're in there too, ask people questions in the forum because you'll get some more personalized advice.

Starting point is 01:09:53 So you could say something like, hey, I'm stuck at five pull ups, has anybody tried anything here that was successful at getting them better? And you'll get other trainers and coaches commenting, for example. So I think that someone like you will find a lot of value in that okay.

Starting point is 01:10:05 We also have done very specific videos on our YouTube channel to that exact question. So if you haven't looked at that, make sure you check those out. I'm sure Andrew will link it on the YouTube channel so you can watch some of the videos that we talk about that. And we've done episodes dedicated to that question. So yeah, you know, you listening to your body,

Starting point is 01:10:23 you know, and this is the hard part of science, all the great information and studies and stuff that come out. You'd be like a diagnosis and then you stuck there. And I guarantee there's somebody who's listening right now that's well versed in this area and is going like, oh, there's this and they want to talk about how much more information there is around this.

Starting point is 01:10:42 And it's like at the end of the day, all that goes out the window if my client feels amazing that day or terrible. I don't care what all the research points to on how they should feel at this point in their cycle. If they don't feel that way, I'm adjusting my program. And that goes for talking about somebody who's on a period or not.

Starting point is 01:11:00 That does take that out of the equation. And I am making a decision on my program. I might have written the plan today, but when my client shows up the way they the way they report back to me on how they slip How they fell how they how they ate and all that how they feel ready today is going to dictate the intensity that I bring to that workout Totally so Jasmine. We'll see you in the forum. Okay? Yeah, so just one last question So when you say adjust the intensity, you mean not only reps, but also all kinds of stuff,

Starting point is 01:11:29 you guys talk about like intervals and weight, okay. Yeah, just think of it this way, harder or easier. So more intensity is harder, less intensity is easier. And you can use, you can do a total volume, meaning that you do a little less, so let's say it's a day and you just, even though your program says to get after it and do a hard workout today, you might scale back on the total sets. You may scale back on the weight.

Starting point is 01:11:53 All that will lower intensity. And then the opposite is true. You come in and it's a day where you are feeling good. You're well rested and you know, maybe at this point in your cycle, you tend to always feel stronger. Well, that's the day I'm going to push those limits. Those are the days that I'm going to put more weight on the bar than you usually do and see what you can do.

Starting point is 01:12:11 Yes. Thank you very much. No problem, Jasmine. Thank you, Jasmine. Yeah, I've worked with people who get so hung up on numbers and the books and this is what the science says that they completely ignore their own bodies and it takes them out of their bodies even more than if they didn't have that information sometimes. So you got to you kind of take it absorb it

Starting point is 01:12:34 consider it but you got to listen to how you feel that nothing else matters at that point. I don't care what your any test says you feel like crap all right we're not going to we're going to train you accordingly. Well, it reminds me of, yeah, certain people coming in and they've read articles, they've read studies and then they're like, oh yeah, that's me. And that's always them from that. I'm always a hard gainer.

Starting point is 01:12:54 You know, like I can never, I have a really slow metabolism and it's just like this definition that they sort of just carry with them from ever. Well, and I don't, I'm sure I came off a little dismissive of the science that's related to this, and I don't want to come off that way. It's just that it's providing insight.

Starting point is 01:13:11 If somebody had terrible sleep the night before, or the last workout they did, they overreached and did too much, those two factors alone, individually, not both combined, but individually by themselves, will impact their capability to work out today more than a point in their cycle. That's how, so if you're all hung up and you're watching the period cycle so much, you know, oh, this is the day I'm supposed to feel great, but one of those other factors is out of line and nutrition, another one, like one of those three things, if you're too low of calories that day or the day before that will make a greater impact than what day you are on your period.

Starting point is 01:13:49 Now, and that also, there's variants there too, but maybe for someone else, it's not like that. Maybe somebody else is listening and they're like, man, not so true, I don't want to, during my cycle, like clockwork, it doesn't matter if I am off calories, it doesn't, like, Yeah, but it always points back to the same thing. You're an individual.

Starting point is 01:14:05 That's right. And then that's you. So you adjust that way because you've learned. And so that's, I like that stuff because it's just one more thing you're paying attention to and just making you more aware of your body. And I think there's tremendous value in that. But that's where you got to be careful not to get so hung up on.

Starting point is 01:14:21 And this is why a good trainer or a good coach will outperform any program that's out there in the world that's written for a lot of people because a good coach or a good trainer knows exactly how to individualize the training and attrition to the person. Our next caller is Sarah from California. Hey Sarah, how can we help you? Hi, my name is Pam. Thanks so much for taking my call.

Starting point is 01:14:43 It's great to talk with you. Yeah, thanks name is Pam. Thanks so much for taking my call. It's great to talk with you. Yeah, thanks. Thank you. So I have a question about something that I've seen circulating on social media recently that I just really wanted to put on. So I've heard some others in the fitness space talking recently about the benefits

Starting point is 01:15:00 to women's specifically training glutes where the weight is indirectly loading the spine for the purpose of avoiding bulking through the midsection. And I understand that as performing exercises like hip thrusts, barbells, split squats, lunges, deadlifts, where the weight is below the spine to avoid that bulking effect that can happen. And I'm just wondering if you think there's any truth to that or any merit or benefit to women or anyone training that way who want to grow glutes but stay lean. Yeah, good question. Tiny bit of truth.

Starting point is 01:15:39 Here's what I want you to do. I want you to stop following all those videos. Yeah, I follow them. Yeah, you know what they're doing is they're using very smart, but also sneaky and slimy marketing tactics, which is women are afraid of growing their waste, but they want to grow their butts. So what they will do is they'll position themselves differently or try to by saying, I have the butt exercises that also don't grow your waist. It implying.

Starting point is 01:16:03 It's yours in on the butt. Implying that the best exercises you could possibly do, don't do those, they're gonna make your waist grow. Don't worry about that. That's the dumbest thing ever. I hate that almost more than anything in the fitness space, this whole mentality about freaking out over growing the muscles around your waist.

Starting point is 01:16:18 Sarah, even if I trained your core muscles like a bodybuilder, and even if my goal was to make your muscles of your core grow as much as possible, it wouldn't happen. You would get as a very sculpted, strong midsection. It's very hard to grow those muscles. They don't grow that much anyway. And it's very rare to see somebody with really overly developed muscles of the core.

Starting point is 01:16:41 And if those individuals are the super genetically gifted, I wouldn't worry about that at all. The best exercises to grow your glutes are the best exercises. Barbell squats is one of them. Is it going to activate the core? Of course it is. It's just going to give you a stronger, more sculpted core. Do not worry about growing your waist with that. If you're really worried about that, you just maintain a lean body fat percentage,

Starting point is 01:17:05 that makes the biggest difference. The muscle, don't worry about that. Well, before Adam kind of takes you into the aesthetic sculpting world, this is like nails on a chalkboard to me in terms of dysfunction. In terms of protecting your spine and having the ability to avoid pain and future problems down the road, we need to consider building up the core to be able to protect itself appropriately and also have the strength to support your lower back. So, in terms of avoiding it by loading your spine, I think it's a disservice to put that kind of information out there.

Starting point is 01:17:46 So to address the tiny bit of truth to this, if a female client who wants to build her butt is working with me and we are doing heavy loaded dead lifts and we're in a calorie surplus, yeah, her butt's gonna grow or hamstrings grow and legs and grow and you know what, maybe she adds a millimeter onto her waist because her core is having to stabilize that,

Starting point is 01:18:11 that is going to build some muscle. You're in a calorie surplus, so you may build a tiny bit, but the ratio of the waist to the butt, well not, I mean, your butt will grow, outgrow what that waist is going to grow. So the as far as the hip to waist ratio is totally different. Yeah. And actually, you know, even though I'm talking aesthetics, Justin's point is so important. And I used to, I

Starting point is 01:18:35 used to die when I'd see these my peers. And when I was competing, this is very common in the men's physique world, too. So you have all these men's physique guys wearing these corsets or squelms around their waist to shrink their waist and then avoiding squats and movements like that because they don't want to bulk their waist because judges score us on a shoulder to waist ratio. And if I have big broad shoulders and I have this tiny little waist, then they score me better on that. And the same have big broad shoulders and I have this, you know, tiny little waste, then they score me better on that. And the same thing goes for like bikini models. So, so there's this movement in the space to let's atrophy and shrink the waste area as much

Starting point is 01:19:15 as possible and try everything we can to build that. And in theory, there's a little bit of truth to that. But at the, the risk of what Justin is pointing out as to that. Yeah, that's it's a stupid idea. And then to what's sourcing like the ratio, you visually are going to, if you build the butt doing the best exercises, which happen to be things like squats, which load the spine, you are missing out on the one of the best ways to grow the butt. So the ratio is still going to outweigh what you might see in the waist. And you would never want to to Justin's point, not train the core because of that. So it's a, it's a dumb idea that you see a circuit.

Starting point is 01:19:53 It's been circulating for quite some time now. In fact, you can go all the way back to early episodes in mind pump. And it was one of the first things that we came out and addressed because it was just, I was in the middle of competing and I was telling these guys, at that point, none of them had to leave. They couldn't believe me when I come, I said, you guys won't believe this, but would you believe that I've got bodybuilder buddies

Starting point is 01:20:13 of mine that won't squat and they actually wear these waist trainers all day long and they just didn't believe this was really happening. And yeah, it's still is circulating and popular and yes, there is a tiny bit of truth to it, And yeah, it's still is circulating and popular. And yes, there is a tiny bit of truth to it, but it's splitting hairs, what you're talking about. And it's a stupid way to go about it.

Starting point is 01:20:32 Yeah, I'll tell you what, it's a very clear red flag that the person you're listening to is an idiot and doesn't know fitness and health. No, I swear to God, if a fitness and health professional, it's just brass task. No, no, I 100% if a fitness and health. No, I swear to God. Yeah. If a fitness and health professional brass task, no, no, I 100% if a fitness and health professional is telling people or women,

Starting point is 01:20:49 you don't want to grow your waist, don't do squats, just do that. That's an idiot. Don't follow them and I'll say that all day long. That's a terrible, terrible information. Don't worry about that. Your physique will look its best if you strengthen all of it. Not if you avoid some of it for fear of, you know, some... Strength is sexy. Yes, put it that thing. Here's the thing, like, you got, we have to remember that these, these bikini athletes and these men's physique competitors,

Starting point is 01:21:13 so I think is what, who's perpetuating this problem, they're not thinking about that. These are the people that shoot all kinds of drugs in them and do all kinds of different world. Yeah, they do not care about health and what's ideal for them. They purely want every little competitive edge

Starting point is 01:21:30 that will score them one more point higher on stage. So a lot of them, because that's their life, will sacrifice some of this stuff in pursuit of getting that millimeter advantage yet they're risking something that is crazy, but they'll do it for that reason. By the way, in real life, the best looking mid sections are developed. They're not just small, they're developed.

Starting point is 01:21:52 And so that's muscle, like anything else. But like I said, I could train your core, trying to build it as much as possible. And I might, like Adam said, I might be lucky if I grow your waist through muscle by a millimeter. if I'm lucky. It's just not going to happen. So don't worry about that. Now, are you following one of our programs at the moment?

Starting point is 01:22:10 I'm not. I'm relatively new to weight training. And I totally hear you guys about, you know, avoiding the social media hype of all of these different, like, quick fixes and things. I definitely think, if you guys is the gold standard, that's why I wanted to ask this question. But I'm not currently following program Well, thank you. You're on the right track. I'm gonna send you maps and a ball. I think that's the program you should start with starting pre-phase

Starting point is 01:22:32 Follow pre-phase for about six weeks then move to phase one and so on and I think you'll love the results, okay? Thank you so much. I really appreciate that and I appreciate your time Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Yeah, that is fast-grading. That there's like people with missed still persists. That just say the dumbest shit in poor, she's 24, luckily she found us, but you're at that age. And you know, you judge authority by followers and by attention and all the person looks good.

Starting point is 01:23:01 And you end up harming yourself or just spinning your tires in the dirt for years and then later on realizing, oh my God, that person was dumb. I should never follow them. Yeah, too. And I know a lot of this is coming from the aesthetic side, right? These are definitely not performance people.

Starting point is 01:23:15 These are not definitely people that are thinking about longevity. This is somebody who's like, can I make my ass look as big as I can with my waist being small? It's awesome ratios that hourglass. And even though it has a little bit of tiny, tiny fraction of truth behind it, it really doesn't because if you eliminate

Starting point is 01:23:32 the single best exercise. Your butts won't grow as much. Yeah, your butt won't grow as much. So, okay, so maybe you make sure that waist doesn't grow anything by putting this core set on it or whatever like that. But then you don't do something like squatting and you only do all the other movements. That also build the butt great.

Starting point is 01:23:48 Hip thrust, amazing for that. All those are amazing moves. But to just eliminate one of the best exercises for doing that, you're missing out on those automatic gains on that ass. And even if it takes the waist up another millimeter, the inch you're giving up on the butt, you're losing in this one. Yeah, it's like, it would be like removing two ribs to get a smaller waist.

Starting point is 01:24:09 Wow, look, my waist is smaller. We got two less ribs. I love that tag. I love that tag. I'm out of gains on that ass. You're good. Our next caller is Bethany from Kentucky. Hey Bethany, how can we help you?

Starting point is 01:24:20 Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. So thanks you guys. I'm in the beginning processes of kind of reconstructing my whole mindset around fitness and nutrition. I'm a former athlete long time ago. And what we are doing now, we're doing this seven day program that you guys put out my husband and I are. And it, my question is, what does PRs look like?

Starting point is 01:24:41 Do you guys do that with these kind of programs? How do I, what does that look like? Do you guys do that with these kind of programs? How do I? Was that look like I guess is my question? No, that's a great question So PR stands for personal record, right? So it's like I lifted more than I did before I did more reps than I did before Now if you're gonna be a if you're gonna compete in a sport where that's part of the criteria like powerlifting Olympic lifting strong man constant. There's a very specific Structure you want to follow of when you test out your your new PR leading up to a particular event now If that's not you if you're working out because you want to be fit and healthy and you want to do this for a long period of time There there really is no set and stone when you should you You, I, for me personally, I allow my body to dictate

Starting point is 01:25:25 when that's gonna happen. How do I feel? Oh wow, I'm feeling really strong today. Maybe I'll go heavier, maybe I'll try myself, you know, try going a little harder. I will say this though, especially if you work out for a long time, chasing the PR can definitely become a problem.

Starting point is 01:25:40 In fact, I rarely do that now because I don't care as much. The risk of breaking an old record does not outweighs the benefit, right? The benefit of doing so. So now I just train, if I feel good, I get a little harder, but I don't necessarily try to break old records. But I guess otherwise the message is allow your body to dictate that. So depending on how you feel, but I definitely wouldn't be doing PRs every single week.

Starting point is 01:26:08 I think that's maybe for beginners, but if that's... If you're, unless you're competing, so Beth, the eye competed in Mins, physique, and I made it all the way to the professional level, never testing a PR. I did not start testing PRs until I got with these assholes, and we were all competitive about who was squatting more, who was deadlifting more, and Sal was so impressive,

Starting point is 01:26:30 or so impressive with his deadlift that I wanted to see if I could catch him. You could have. And so I was on a mission. Still one time. All ego driven, no value in how I'm adjusting my program or anything like that, because there's gonna be someone who's gonna try and make the case to you about how valuable it is

Starting point is 01:26:46 to know where you need to be at, not bullshit. If you just care about feeling better, getting stronger, looking better, you can get to the highest level of that and never test your PR one time. And the truth is, one of the reasons why I think I feel so passionately about telling someone, like you about this is because I've had more aches

Starting point is 01:27:04 and pains today and chasing PRs with these guys than I ever had in my life before. And it just when you push your limits like that, it is extremely difficult. It's almost inevitable. You're going to have a little bit of something off. And that's all it takes to tweak something or stress something and now my joints are inflamed and so all doing that to me is it only makes real sense if I've got a client who is really into you know chasing PRs and we want to see these kids but if you are just doing it because you want to see it I would do it as little as possible to be honest with you. In terms of, yeah, sustainability and longevity, I completely agree. However, there are some days where just all the stars are lined up and you're going through

Starting point is 01:27:55 one of your favorite exercises, say it's a squatter bench or something and you just feel that weight moving easy. I honestly, you do it like a couple times a year and you know when you get that feeling that one day, like I have no problem with doing a PR that day and having fun with it, but literally it's just, I look at it as fun. Like let's see what I can do today because,

Starting point is 01:28:17 I mean my body's giving me all that feedback that I have everything working for me, but other than that, yeah, to their point, it's really not something I program in. I'm always trying to be smarter with my programming and sort of check myself because that interathlete that you describe is gonna come up in the forefront is gonna make you do something stupid.

Starting point is 01:28:40 So I'm always checking myself on that intensity, but if your body is ready that day and it's a fun thing to do, go for it. Now Bethany, you said your fault, so we did, for people watching this, we gave out a free seven day a week kind of workout program and included, of course resistance training, some mobility,

Starting point is 01:29:00 there's lots of components to it, and it's a great workout, but it's out there for free, so hopefully we can link that in this show. Now, I'm asking for you, how long have you been doing this particular workout? Only about two weeks. And it's been, I'll be honest, and you guys touched on it. It's been really tough because I want to do more.

Starting point is 01:29:18 Like I'm in that route where I'm just like, OK, let's get back to where we were. I'm trying to get back to old good habits and this has been really hard to not do more, but at the same time, like, I felt really good. My husband said the same thing too. He's felt really good because we're not going so hard and we're not trying to push it with everything. Perfect. And that's actually a lot. We actually, that was a seven day a week thing. Well, yeah, you're no you're good Trust the process. You're doing a good job. I'm gonna I'm gonna let you in our private forum So that you can have support and you can ask other people because that's gonna help you It's gonna help you a lot because someone like yourself. I get it. You know, you want to do more because you can

Starting point is 01:29:59 Not necessarily the right thing to do, but especially if you're competitive It's it's gonna always be pushing that direction. The private form will help. The problem. Yeah, you can communicate with other people, coach yourself out of it, trust the process, share your progress. And after about 12 weeks of doing that, I think you'll want to move to another maps program, and we have plenty to choose from. But for now, I'm going to let you in the private forum, make sure you tag us when you post them there so we can see, okay? For sure. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:30:26 Thank you very much. You know, PRs are like, there's such a good thing, but also such a bad thing. Did you know I didn't even know what they were until like midway through my career? I know. I remember you telling us that. I didn't know what it was until... We used to call it max.

Starting point is 01:30:38 Like, would you max out? Yeah, so I do remember hearing max out of CrossFit, I believe, or maybe... Yeah, it was, really. I mean, I also wasn't very privy to the powerlifting community, so maybe they were using that term. And I, so I wasn't around that,

Starting point is 01:30:54 so that's part of the reason why I probably didn't hear it at all. But it wasn't until CrossFit became really popular that I started to hear all the time. In fact, I remember I would start getting people coming into the gym first time and they'd be, oh, I want to get my PR to this. I'm like, what? I remember having to ask a person coming to get training for me. What's the personal responsibility? I was like, what's a public relations? You need a public relations person? No, it's really good because I think it made strength something to focus on or track. I agree.

Starting point is 01:31:25 Mainstream, before that, especially women didn't even track strength, they didn't care. I always use the five pound dumbbells. I'm a times you get a client like that. Oh yeah. How long have you been using five, oh I don't know, 15 years, you know, okay. We got to get you a little stronger or challenge you a little bit. So that's the good. The bad is, it could be addicting and you could chase it and that could be everything and

Starting point is 01:31:41 then you hurt yourself. That's why I feel conflicted about talking about it because I totally agree with you that and that's one of the things we talk about what we all like or love about CrossFit is they really did reintroduce strength training for the masses, making it popular again to get strong and especially for women like before CrossFit,

Starting point is 01:32:00 I don't feel like anybody was communicating that message really well. And it is the right message. It is the right message. Focus on getting stronger and try and get yourself strong. But not at the risk of potentially hurting yourself or also the potential of getting addicted to PRs, which this is the classic person to do that. Totally.

Starting point is 01:32:19 So a person who is an athlete is the one that has to be the most careful about moving into that competitive chasing PR. You're not in spite of your body signals that it's providing you. That's why I like your advice. It's really good advice. And here's the bottom line. Okay.

Starting point is 01:32:33 Even if you do everything perfectly, if you work out long enough, you're gonna have to make peace with the fact that you're not gonna be chasing PRs. At some point, you're not gonna hit PRs. It'd be very discouraged if that. Yeah, so like if you do this long enough, you got to figure this out no matter what,

Starting point is 01:32:47 because if you're chasing PRs all the time and you're going to plan on working out forever, at some point, you're going to have to figure this out because you ain't going to be hitting PRs in your 50s and 60s and 70s. I also want to add something that I wish that we see more of it, and I didn't get a chance to tell her this,

Starting point is 01:33:01 but I wish that we would talk about PRs because it sounds for personal records. So it doesn't always have to be more weight on the bar. Why not a personal record on how deep you were able to get a squat or how far you can get your your shoulder around in a wall circle or how much you can lift your back leg up in a 90 90 like we need to set PRs on other metrics that are health-related or improve the quality of movement opposed to just measuring PRs or a PR being of your stamina and endurance

Starting point is 01:33:32 or stuff like that. I had a PR the other day for how tired I was. This is the most tired. I've ever been a big career. What you know what I mean though, right? Like, we just are quality. Yeah, or is that or quality of movement? I did the most beautiful 185 pounds,

Starting point is 01:33:46 okay, 185 pounds quad is nothing for me, but it was the most perfect barefoot but that's a PR. Yeah, right. Like there's nothing wrong with that being a PR or a personal best of movement quality. And I wish that it wasn't always centered around weight on the bar because I think that leads. Yeah, that would be a cool movement.

Starting point is 01:34:03 I'd be all for that. Excellent, excellent point. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com. Go check out our guides. Lots of great information that can help you with any fitness goals. We have a lot of guides on there. Mindpumpfree.com.

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