Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1648: How to Increase Calories Without Adding Body Fat, Using Complexes to Build Muscle, Turkesterone Supplement Review & More

Episode Date: September 24, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how to slowly increase your metabolism by increasing calories, using complexes to build muscle, choosing your weight based on Rated Perceived Exertion, and the supplement Turkesterone. How often should you train each body part to build muscle and strength? (4:15) The latest growth leaps for Maximus Schafer. (8:14) Children’s BMI ‘doubled’ during the pandemic, a shocking study says. (10:57) The potential negative side effects of the lack of socialization for young adults. (12:52) The high school football update with Justin. (21:01) Is celebrity boxing the future? (28:29) Elon is at it again. (30:54) In crazy science news with Sal: Iranian scientist killed with robot sniper and modified vegetables containing the mRNA vaccine. (34:16) Vuori making BIG waves once again. (38:22) Stockpile, a great way to build your kids’ investment portfolio. (42:50) What are your kids doing on Roblox? (46:10) Watch out for those frisky sea snakes. (48:50) Did you know about the Butcher Box add-ons? (54:46) An amazing food allergy success story. (56:48) #Quah question #1 - How can you slowly increase your metabolism by increasing calories? (59:55) #Quah question #2 – What do you guys think about complexes to build muscle? (1:05:08) #Quah question #3 – Do you choose your weight based on Rated Perceived Exertion (RPE) or whatever you lifted on your last workout? (1:09:48) #Quah question #4 – Have you tried the supplement Turkesterone? (1:14:23) Related Links/Products Mentioned September Promotion: MAPS Performance and MAPS Suspension 50% off!   **Promo code “SEPTEMBER50” at checkout** Longitudinal Trends in Body Mass Index Before and During the COVID-19 Pandemic Among Persons Aged 2–19 Years — United States, 2018–2020 Tesla granted patent for laser 'windshield wipers' that zap debris NYT CONFIRMS ISRAEL KILLED AN IRANIAN NUCLEAR SCIENTIST WITH A ROBOT SNIPER Grow and eat your own vaccines? Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Vuori Announces All-American LSU Gymnast Olivia "Livvy" Dunne as Exclusive Brand Partner and Collaborator | Markets Insider Stockpile - Your Favorite Stocks By The Dollar Strip Clubs Now Appearing on Kid-Friendly Roblox Frisky venomous sea snakes are confusing divers for their mates Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Visit Serenity Kids for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MP20” at checkout** Mind Pump #1387: Turning Your Body Into a Fat-Burning Machine  How To Improve YOUR Work Capacity (6 MOVEMENTS) | MIND PUMP COUNTRY STRONG?? Increase YOUR Work Capacity (2 EXERCISES) | MIND PUMP How Do I Choose The Right Weight? (LIFT RESPONSIBLY) – Mind Pump TV What Is Turkesterone?  Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Stefanie Cohen, DPT (@steficohen) on Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, today's episode we answered some fitness and health questions. But the way we opened the episode was with an intro portion. This is where we talk about current events.

We talk about our sponsors. We're being up scientific studies. Today's intro was 52 minutes long after that. We got to the questions. So we opened up the episode by talking about frequency. How often you should train each body part per week for muscle and for strength. Then we talk about Adam's son,

gently taking his wife's hand and getting out of the room because he don't wanna hang out with her, it's kinda funny. Then we talk about BMI increasing during the pandemic at record levels, weird side effect. Nobody, who could have predicted that, Justin? I don't know, I was. People not moving.

Then we talked about the potential negative side effects that the lack of socialization on children has had during this particular pandemic. Then we talked about football, Justin's coaching a high school team and they won twice. Uh, what a good coach winners. That's right. Then we talked about some of the fights that are happening celebrity fights. Steffi Cohen just had a fight. Uh, that big dude from Game of Thrones, forgot his name. He just had a big fight. Yeah, the mountain.

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So exciting. Boom. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. about my nephew who defeated his peanut allergy. So exciting. Boo. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know how to slowly increase your metabolism by increasing calories. The next question, this person wants to know about workout complexes. Do they build muscle?

The third question was, this person wants to know all about RPE rated perceived exertion. Like, is this something you should use or not? And the final question, this person wanted to know about the supplement, Turkestorown, it's making some waves right now, is it the new natural steroid? I don't know, listen to the episode and find out. Also, all months long, two workout programs are on sale, maps, performance, and maps, suspension, both 50% off.

Go check them out or just go sign up at mapsfitinistproducts.com. Just use the code September 50, that September 50, no space for that discount. I was reading a lot this weekend about frequency of training, a lot of studies on frequency. We talked about this a lot on the podcast, right? Yeah. What's the ideal amount of frequency

for muscle building, not stuff? So, most of the studies that get quoted on frequency will say something like training body parts two or three days a week, tends to build more muscle than training body parts once a week, so long as the volume is controlled. So everything's controlled, exercise is controlled, right? Two days a week, three days a week, probably better.

But you know that studies show that more frequency than that is even better for strength. If you know that studies show that more frequency than that is even better for strength. Do you guys know that? No, I thought it full. I actually thought that three was on the upper end and it's actually the sweeter spot is two. For hypertrophy.

But the studies do trend higher or better for strength gains for even more frequency. Well, that makes sense just for the argument that we make for practicing. And you see, you know, you should strengthen that makes sense just for the argument that we make for practicing and using a string-that-leaf-dick-lifter, doing whatever their lift is, at least four, five times in the week. Exactly.

So it's really like a skill thing, right? So they don't necessarily build more muscle. I'll argue this, doing cycles like that, I would say, in the long term, probably would build more muscle, right? Because you're able to squeeze out more from each of those high skill exercises. You get to make sure the intensity you bring it down, which is really hard to do for people. That's the big one.

If you're training something four or five times, you know how much you have to back off the intensity. Like at least three of those workouts are really easy. Three of them are pure skill focused. And where you're probably moving 50% of your load or your max load or less. Yeah, so let's say, and this really applies best to high skill compound lifts. So on top of not only having to manipulate the intensity,

we're talking about squats, and presses, and rows. Like it doesn't really make a difference or too much of a benefit to do like Isolation exercises that often what what was that study? I think you shared this before in the podcast long time ago was the the percentage that a like a Olympic lifter can get out of their it's like oh, yeah, they can get up to like 98% or something like so I don't remember the term was but we we all have like a capacity, right? And what limits our capacity for power, output, or strength

is our central nervous system, which is governed by largely, like all these things that tell that, that it's either safe, or not safe, right? So let's say your maximum, absolute maximum capacity to lift off the ground is 500 pounds, right? You're not going to be able to lift 500 pounds because your body's going to prevent you from going to your absolute max to prevent you from hurting yourself, but Olympic athletes are so, and the reason why they're such good examples is when you guys look at, and no

disrespect to Olympic athletes, they're all muscular, they look really good, but when you look at the weight that they lift, it almost never matches. It doesn't make sense. No, you got like 150 pound athletes that are lifting weights that a 230 pound bodybuilder couldn't even move, and they don't look like bodybuilders. They just kind of look athletic. It's because they can maximize that power output. Yeah, at the right time too. Yeah. So there's very efficient with the energy output. So it's like, you know, you get that first amount that you really need to drive and then you're just in putting yourself in better position to catch and then the technique of it is at the highest point.

Well, the reason I was asking was, do you have any idea what that is for the general population? Uh-huh. So if an Olympic lifter can squeeze out say 98 percent, uh, you know, I would bet it's closer to 50. I bet it was, it's like way low. So imagine if that's true, then doing things like practicing four or five days a week, backing off intensity, you just increasing your capacity by 10% could be a huge difference.

Totally. And then this is, of course, I brought this up before, the stories of like the mom that lifts the burning car off their kid and everyone's like, I had her mom. Yeah, like how did she do that, right? I think under extreme duress, it probably overrides or your CNS.

Yeah, your governing is just, yeah, you just sort of override the whole system. Yeah, speaking of mom stuff, I have a funny, you just reminded me of a funny mom story that had just literally happened like two days ago with Max. So like, new stuff is happening right now, right? Like, so he's learning to switch on and off the lights and he's trying to babble and say new words.

When one of the things that when we get home so like, or when I get home from work, he gets all excited, he comes running up to me and he'll like grab my hand and then that's like our time for like the next four hours or so or just him and I are playing. And Katrina will sometimes come over and interact when we're doing stuff like that.

And he takes me upstairs. This is like the first time this has ever happened. He takes me upstairs and he wants to sit on his, like, his little bean bag thing in his room. And we're reading. And so we're up there for like 20 minutes or so and then Katrina decides she'd come in because she wants to bring up something to do with work.

I can't remember. She was talking actually to one of you guys and she needed to run something by me. And so I'm in there. He's like next to me and we're like reading. And then she comes in and I'm like multitasking. I'm kind of reading to him, but I'm in there, he's like next to me and we're like reading and then she comes in and I'm like multitasking. I'm kind of reading to him, but I'm also talking. And so she's sitting on the rocking chair.

I'm down the bean bag and he gets up and he walks over to her and he grabs her hand and she gets all cute. He wants us to and he takes her and he walks her out the door and then closes the door by her and then comes over and then sits down and go, we were, it was the funniest shit ever, dude. He literally was, he was getting irritated because she was taking our time and was trying to, trying to get in between us talking. Yeah. And she thought she's so thought he was going to go grab her and go sit her next to us

and we can all read together as a family. He literally walked her out the door and at first she didn't know like, she was nice about it. Well, at first she thought like, oh, he's gonna take me somewhere else that I want to go. You must hang out with mom. She walks out, he lets go over her head, walks in and closes the door behind her and comes back in. That's a dope thing. I'm gonna die, dude.

I had done something like that. Yeah, that's what I thought that was. Yeah, I really was. Well, if Jessica's nursing him, he likes it to be quiet, but if she's talking to me, me or anybody while she's nursing him, he'll reach up and put his hand on her mouth like that to make her stop Hit her hilarious That's hilarious. Do you guys have a good weekend? I mean, they're all sick man. Oh, yeah, my you know I it's not the vid though you guys all didn't know no no no

It's just that cold that you and I caught when we went out to Arizona And it wasn't that bad. Super. But I, you know, because it wasn't that bad, I was still interacting with Katrina Max and I should have kind of stayed away because they both have it worse than me now. So this whole weekend I had the two sickies.

He was, and he poor guy, he can't, like when he lays down, he can't breathe really well. So I've got the humidifier in every room and he still can't really breathe. That sucks, is asleep messed up? Oh, yeah. So the last like four nights, I've not been getting like Harley. He gets up and comes running in our room right now. Oh, yeah.

One, two, one. That's the worst dude. Dude, speaking of kids, did you guys see the study on BMI rates and how they've changed? So BMI, right? Body Mass Index, it kind of measures the, the average weight of adults or kids or whatever. They have updated this useless metric. Well, it's not, well yes, okay,

so it's not completely useless because it is a general metric and if it goes up generally, I think we could assume people aren't building a ton of muscle across. Yeah, I mean, for your average leg. That's what I mean. So they track BMI and it's been steadily increasing over the last few decades, right? People are getting heavier and heavier.

And again, it's probably not because everybody's building more muscle and they've been tracking it with kids for a while. During the, when the lockdowns first started and the pandemic first started, the rate of BMI index increase among children, the rate of increase doubled. So it's sped up twice this fast

during that whole period of time. So yes, and you know, this really points to, sometimes when we react to things and we make decisions, we don't consider any potential unintended consequences. We only think of one metric, and we don't consider all these other potential metrics. Like, what could that potentially mean for these kids?

Because we know that overweight and obese kids, I think they have a 70 or 80% chance of being overweight and obese adults and then what that means, right? So what could this, you know, think about the unintended consequence of all these kids not going anywhere staying at home, not being around people, not all of them. Oh, I mean, we experienced this already just like, I mean, I just started to see some bit of an encouraging energy out there with kids coming back into sports and like getting outside and doing things.

But for the longest time, like, you know, the parents weren't having their kids out there playing their pool pulling them from teams and it's been the hardest thing ever to just get consistency of kids going to practice and everything. What do you guys think is gonna be the worst group that gets affected by this? Meaning like, what age group?

Right, well, no, that's two fucking general kids. Oh, that's under 17. No, I mean, like, so I'm noticing like between my nieces and nephews and my brothers and sister, like all these different age groups like that, what period of school? So kids, we know kids, obviously, I don't think adults are going to feel the impact as much as kids are going to feel the impact. But if you're talking about zero to 17 years old, at what grade do you think is going to

be the most impactful to actually sit an entire year or almost two years out completely. So I don't think as much as it would suck to be a junior in high school and miss out on junior and senior year, I don't think the development stuff skills are not as gonna be hindered as much as somebody who's like, oh I do, so I compared to somebody who's like six. Yeah, oh I don't.

Yeah, so. No, here's why I do. The things that you develop at six are also very important, right? You start to learn certain social cues. Most important. You learn, you learn facial expressions, maybe more fundamental, but think about junior high and high school. You're really learning complex, you know, social interactions. Just when you learn, you know, you're communicating with the opposite sex, you're with your groups you understand you know group politics and stuff like that and they are not seeing each other's faces you know big of a deal

that is not reading someone's facial expressions course and then those parts of the brain at some point are not as plastic yeah but I would make that that is more important for the five to seven year old than the junior higher I mean maybe I was I mean those are the most valuable years for your brain for a child. So here's why they are developing those things. The point you're making right now, I would think that a five to seven year old will be affected more than a junior. So here's why I would say maybe not because the impact that parents have and closer of family have on young children is higher than peers. When you become a when you go into junior higher high school, the impact that your peers have on young children is higher than peers. When you go into junior higher high school, the impact that your peers have on your development

is much higher than your parents. So in other words, if your six-year-old is at home most of the time, they're gonna miss out some stuff, but they're with mom and dad, they're not wearing masks at home and stuff like that. When you're in junior high and high school, like a lot of your development comes from your peers.

It's not necessarily your parents and your brothers and sisters, like it was when you were a kid. So you're missing that completely because you're not around, or think about when I was in eighth grade, it was like if I didn't have friends and go out and those social, and it was just my parents all the time,

it's like, that could be very dangerous. But between the four of us, I mean, we've got all the way from high school, all the way down to two years old, and almost every two year gap or so between there. What do you see between your two boys who it's affected the most? Definitely my youngest.

I mean, he's, and it's for a child right now, I was old every eight. Eight? Yeah, so it's mainly because of his friend's parents, like not being as comfortable, you know, with them interacting and stuff. And so again, it's just, it varies, but his lack of engagement with,

and being able to hang out with his friends has been like, it really tough. Yeah, five to seven is my theory. That's, and it's just for that exact reason that this is the most valuable time for the brain and you're putting all that stuff together. So I think five to seven will work. We're speculating, it's just different.

Like the way I would imagine it, if my six year old was having challenges, I feel like I could influence them more effectively than I could with a 13 year old. I mean, they're showing depression and suicide and anxiety rates exploding among teenagers, which is that's when shit happens Anyway, that's when you start to feel that kind of stuff anyway. Yeah, they're already angst as fuck. Yeah, but you're not going to mom and dad Yeah, and mom and dad isn't making a big a big difference. Yeah, I do. I'll tell you what so now so now my kids are back in school

Right, so and my son is 16 my daughter is about to 12. And now they're in school and events are starting to happen. I mean, it's just her wearing masks, but they're around friends. The difference in them is like, it's night and day, it's crazy. It's insane. They had the school festival for my daughter school that they do every year where they have like the big,

by the way, it's hilarious. They do like the big Ferris wheel and the rides and stuff. Those things, they put them up in like an hour. I don't know how safe those things are, by the way. I'm looking at the fairs. My holy shit, but anyway, it's like a big deal. She went with her friend. Now my daughter, you know, last year or year and a half,

it was very different. Like now, all of a sudden, she's with her friends and I'm seeing her develop so much faster and just it's like, boy, was that a tough time? Not being around people. So do you think junior high then, is that what you're speculating about? It's hard, boy, was that a tough time, not being around people? So do you think junior high then, is that what you're speculating? It's hard to say, I would say,

I know it's hard to say, I would say pro data suppression. I would say, I think it's probably the most formative. Do you think when? Junior high. Well, I'm counting that because like Ethan's now like in sixth, great, which is lumped into all junior high thing.

And it's like, oh, let's grow all the way up now. It's like, we're gonna throw the kitchen sink at you in terms of like, you know, everybody's ideas and I'm just like, ah, like, it's just so much at once. Like, he wants to like, ask me a million questions a day now of all these different things. Yeah, I mean, that's gotta be just, normally, one of the biggest transitions for a kid, right?

Elementary going to junior high or middle school. Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah, elementary, you're hanging out with kids all the way from first grade to what? Oh, it was super-adjacent. You make the leap to 6, 7, 8 all the way through. Like, it's like, you know, big kids and you're the young kid coming in. Well, think about this way. How important was your social circle with friends when you were in third grade versus when you were in eighth grade?

Yeah, but okay To that point though it was starting to be developed though in Fifth and sixth grade and if you miss those developmental ages that would potentially impact Whereas if you were somebody who went fifth sixth seventh you started already develop that. Oh, you missed two years Oh, that it's painful for them or it's difficult But to get back into the swing of things probably would be easier than somebody who misses the year or two years when it versus about that. Well, no, we'll see.

Oh, I know, that's why it's fun to speculate on this because I mean, I'm already seeing different things, like I said, I'm between my nieces and nephews and noticing all the different ages and like, who's been like, I have my niece who has two younger siblings and she is six years old. And she looks like she was hurt the most, but she's also the oldest in the group of kids

with three kids. The two that were younger, they're learning at home from the oldest one, so they didn't really feel like, I didn't feel like they really dropped off that much where she, I felt like, dropped off a lot. So, I wanna know what's weird. So, here's what's trippy is that,

my son went to go hang out with his friends and they were at Santana Ro, which is outdoor. So this is an outdoor kind of mall area. And then after that, they walked to a couple stores. So anyway, when I went to pick them up, they weren't even in an area that was required to be masked, but they were outside and all the kids had their masks on. So when I picked up my son, I was like, why did you guys have your mask on when you guys were hanging out over here or whatever?

And he's like, well, it's not a big deal. It's like it's kind of more comfortable. I'm like, holy shit. You're more comfortable. You know why? Because I think they feel anxious taking them off around each other. Because they're never, they're always covering.

Think about like this much of your face. How much is pressure like it? Not just that, how much of your, this whole part of your face. How much pressure? Well, not just that, how much of your, this whole part of your face, how much of that communicates, what you feel and your emotions and stuff. So now you're, it's like wearing sunglasses. You ever see people wear sunglasses to hide their emotions? Do you think then that, you know, at least the upside of that

is, they'll be better at poker, yeah? It's just, yeah. Or worse, you guys can't read the whole bunch of things of, like really good poker. This is all the things that fuck you up. But hey, you might be better at poker. Yeah. Yeah. Or worse. Can't read the guys face. They're like really good poker. Most of all the things that fuck you. But hey, you might be better at poker. Dan Bilsarians out there. Or worse, you're like, what's you doing with his face over? That's a smile. Oh, I don't know what that never seemed to them before, except for movies. That's interesting. The day way positive that they would opt to do that. But that does make sense, especially at

that age two when you're a kid. Oh, it's hard. It does. Because I explained to him, I'm like, do you know, especially at that age too, when your kid or child, it does. Because I explained to him, I'm like, do you know how important it is to see each other's? And he just, no, it's not a big deal, who cares, you know, whatever, because to him it's like, whatever. Yes, but I see it.

I'm like, no, dude, you need to be able to see each other's faces and read each other's, like that part of your brain, it's, you know what? Well, I'll tell you what, like working with these kids in high school, like just in the sports realm,

it's been so interesting to kind of see the dynamic. It's like these kids are so nice. You know what, it's just like, like, where's your anger button? You know, where is that hatred inside you? Like, nobody has it, dude. I'm like, you try and find it because like, football's a sport you need, you need it. It's an outlet.

It's like, you need to like get some angst, you need some like anger. I don't think like, I don't mean to hit it so hard. Like I don't know coach. Hey you guys are winning? I saw you won again. We won, yeah, we're two and oh.

Two and oh, I mean we missed our first two games because of like stuff but yeah, we, so we won this weekend. But it's seriously has been just like anxiety city for me because like we're so thin, personalized. We have like, I have like sophomores in there, we just have like, we're patching people together, try to put the winning strategy together,

but it's like nobody really stands completely out on their own, but everybody's working together so hard on that fighting. But in these kids, like, aren't used to being playing so much injured. I'm like, dude, you're you play injured every game. Like, that's what football is. Yeah. Like this kid comes out, he's like, I'm bleeding coach. Like, oh, do we need to have the talk? It's just like one of those things. Did that just unfamiliar with that?

Could you play a game of football and not hurt something? I feel like that's impossible. It's just like boxing or is like, is anything where you have combat, like physical combat with like, you're literally like assaulting each other? Like it's you're gonna be. Now, because they've played two games, they've won together, obviously it sounds like they're playing

well together. Are they starting to gel and become like a team? Oh, yeah. No, that's literally the thing that's been keeping everything working. It's just that they all have this belief system that is now, they're all bought in. And so that just sort of clicked after that first game was like definitive of, well, we can do this. They have the winning mentality, but it's just like,

I mean, there's lots of very new green players out there that have no, like, I'm seriously, they'll get some bumper brews and then you can't find them. And you're like, where's so and so, you're trying to grab the player and just threw him out in the field. You're out there. So you're trying to grab the player and just threw him out in the field. Like you're out there. You know, they're always just trying to figure out where to hide. Where is everybody?

Everybody's looking for somebody to have you play. Have you had to deal with social media? Do you have to regulate with kids, like actually walking over to their phone and actually checking their shit? Oh, I'm not. Or do you guys have rules? No, nobody brings any of that at practice,

but like they do have it for like displaying, like, you know, they'll post pictures or video clips to kind of like advertise the team, which is a new thing, which I get it. They as in the players or they as in the school. They're the players. You know, and so there's, I think there is a school Instagram

or something of the football team, but I haven't been on it You were telling me story about how you put on you put on pads or when you started going like letting them hit you So Justin comes in I'm working out. Yeah, and he's like he's strutting You know he's walking in like, you know, sometimes Justin gets that walk and like, what happened dude? Like, they don't even know. Yeah, exactly.

Who's the they don't even know? And he's like, I was letting the kids come at me the other day. He's like, it felt good to show them what time it is. I'm like, what the? It's tough, tough as a kid on the team. You know, he's walk around like a boss. And like, I was low on the scout defense.

I kind of managed that to give our offense a look. And we didn't have like an end. And so I was like, whatever, I'll just like fill in. Yeah. And he's like our stud tackle. And so he's just like coming down to block me. And I'm just like, hey, I'm going to beat you on this play. And you just like get you.

And like, and so I pulled one of my old swim moves real fast and then threw them on the ground. And I was like, boom. It's like flexing on the tree. I'm a 41 years old dude, where are you at? Yeah, taking chips. Yeah, where are you dude?

You're at the peak of your physical prowess. Oh my god. So that would feel good. But then I was doing this drill with the running backs and I forgot I didn't have a helmet on. And I went to come up and give him a look Oh my god. So that would feel good, but then I was doing this drill with the running backs, and I forgot it had a helmet on. And I went to come up and give him a look, and he kept going and we,

headbutt, he got right on my chin. And I had this like serious well on my face for a couple days. Like in the secret to open. Yeah, well you guys, now the two wins, were you supposed to win these, or was this a big, big win? What would you say? I mean, I honestly I'm like we won like I I didn't think we a whole lot about

well, what was the record last year before you got there? Do you know? I mean we won a few games. I think it was like I think it was like like a 50 okay 500 500 kind of season, but um yeah, there weren't there was a lot of expectations. We actually moved down in divisions, so our real test is like next week because we get into league, but these were These were tough teams. They're a lot tougher than they were on film. Oh, I thought this was was with league I thought you were to an only this isn't league. This is still preseason. So that was our last preseason game Hey, so when you when you did that tackle drill with the kids, where they different afterwards, because I've had experiences like that with like,

you know what? Judo coaches or Jetsu coaches, where I actually had a teacher, I had a math teacher, I don't know if I told you guys this story once. I used to cut class all the time, and I would show up and take the test, and I'd get a C, I'd always get 70% or 70, whatever. And I was happy with that, whatever, I don't give a shit.

Yeah. You know, typical entrepreneur, I'll pass. And he, this teacher was, he was one of the wrestling coaches kind of a big guy and him and I would talk about working out sometimes. And he was kind of cool and he would tell me like, sad, you got to show up to class, dude. And I'd be like, why? I get, you know, I'm passing your class. So in the whole front of the class, he called me out and goes I tell you what Sal he goes if you can come up here and

Beat me in arm wrestling. I'll never ask you to class again You'll just have to come take the test, but if I beat you you have to give me your word that you'll show up every day And I'm like I'll crush this old man And I'd never lost at this point in arm wrestling. I think I was like a junior in high school So in front of the whole class he beat me and I had to show up. But the respect that I had for this guy. Well, man's strength. Afterwards, you know, I was like, all right. That's fluid is like if I would have not done that,

that would have been bad. I would have lost that credibility. There's something there, like you have to kind of earn that. And as much as you want to just talk about the good old days or whatever, like they want to know you're still relevant. Have you guys ever seen that? It's like a leadership role, dude.

Yeah, I mean, you gotta be able to show them. I remember back when we all, I mean, we all worked for the same company. I remember when you'd work for a manager that would be managing a staff and then writing people up or you're getting pissed off at them because they didn't write a certain amount of revenue. It's like, I've never even seen you do that.

Like, let me show you. Yeah, I mean, if you don't do that, then I feel like you don't get that at the same level of respect than if they see that you can do their job as good as they can or better. You guys ever watched that video? It was like this kind of old squat,

kind of slightly overweight boxing coach, and he puts on gloves, and he goes toe-to-toe with, I guess, one of these amateur boxers, and like, like, we like them up. Yes. And this old guy, like, you looked at it, you looked at him, you never...

I think you shared that with us. Oh my God. It's hilarious because he put a weapon on that kid Did you guys see that? Steffi Cohen and oh yeah, what happened? She hers went to a draw and Then what's his name the other the Bjorn? Yeah, yeah Bjorn. Yeah, he won't he won his I didn't watch them I just saw clips highlights and the Shredded yeah, he looks crazy. Did you see the difference? Is it still mass mountain? Did you see though? Oh, man, I think it's like a hundred pounds, right? It's like he lost a ton of weight insane. So this celebrity boxing thing or this is the future. It's crazy. I mean look at Stephanie Cohen has like a million followers now, right? So you get a person who's got a million followers, fighting somebody who else has got a million,

like I don't know what the going number is for like a lot of paper views, what makes it like really profitable or not. But I imagine if you got two people that have different audiences each with a million people, the chances of you getting at least 50,000 buys has got to be pretty high, right? And do the math on it.

I mean, rivalries are always fun like a What point do you think it's gonna be like CEOs? Well, it's getting sad you almost Did you see the news that came out on a riddock bow? No, what oh yeah, so because it's getting so popular and this is where it's This is what I'm curious about right because we talked about this with a Evander holly film right because that was a dud that that everybody Well, and and take a look maybe Doug you can you can look this up so they can see like a picture of Riddick Bo wants to fight again. And he's like 58 or 59. No, I'm not sure.

You haven't heard me. He looks terrible. Like he doesn't even look like he's exercised in probably two decades. He's so out of shape. So this is what I think is gonna be, is kind of scary. Is anybody and everybody who had a name

before is gonna start coming out of retirement because they're gonna feel like shit. So this is what I think is kind of scary. Is anybody and everybody who had a name before is gonna start coming out of retirement because they're gonna feel like shit, even my old ask is to get hang with this young kid who thinks he's tough. People need to understand areas. No, but look for it. Did you look up, Riddick Bo wants to fight again?

Oh, he's a big boy in that picture right there too. Do you get George Foreman out again? Well, Foreman became champion of 40, hell does he, 44? 40 in images. Yeah, you gotta be, people need to realize that a bot, somebody who boxed professionally and then who's 58,

it's not like a normal 58 year old, that you're a lot older because of the damage that you've gone through. Have you guys seen the life expectancy of these athletes? It's not very good. Oh yes, too. Cause of the beat that you've gone through. Have you guys seen the life expectancy of these athletes? It's not very good. Oh, yes. Because of the beatdowns that they go. Well, football is what?

Football, life is six. There's a lot of football. Super low. Insane, right? Yeah. 10 years after. Hey, speaking of celebrities, earlier I mentioned Elon Musk, did you see what got approved on the new Tesla that they're

going to start pursuing? No. No. OK. This single-handedly could be the coolest thing ever put on a car. Ever. The coolest thing ever.

Laser beam windshield wipers. I swear to God. What the hell? It's probably sounds a lot cooler than what it really is. It's literally what it is. There's literally, it will pick up if there's debris or water on your windshield and lasers will come out and evaporate it or blast it off. You're just with lasers.

Of your fucking windshield. What? Yes, dude. How sick would that be? You're driving, it's basically. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, so it's before the rain hits the wind, I don't understand. No, so the sensor's on the windshield.

Okay. So if it picks up water or debris, the laser will evaporate it off, or get rid of it on your windshield. Oh, off the windshield. Yes. Okay. So there's no way it works like that under rain conditions, right? That's exactly what it's supposed to do.

So you're telling me that it's be it's be costly raining and these lasers, he's not your windshield and shit coming off. Yeah, that's that's what that's exactly what I'm saying. I want to see a video. I was like, I don't. Now here's your this because it doesn't make any sense. Now here's what I'm saying. I want to see a video. I was like, I don't, now here's for this, because it doesn't make any sense. Now here's what I was thinking. Let's say like a bird or something.

Can you turn them out? Like you could with the, you know, the windshield wash. Have you ever done that? Yeah. People and you squirt them. Yeah. Point out the front.

You never done this? This can't, that can't be. I'm still stuck in the laser. I'm, I'm still stuck on the idea that this thing is gonna basically, so would you not need windshield wipers anymore? That is the windshield wiper. It's lasers.

I mean, this is from whatever in this article. Tell me it's not the coolest thing you're gonna do. I mean, it that is true, then it's, we are, it's like out of a comic book. I would buy one just for that. I want lasers on my car. I mean, yes. My whole life.

My whole life, yes. Have you heard of this, Doug? I have not. My whole life, I want a laser on my car. Well you heard of this, Doug? I have not. No. My whole life, I want to laser's on my car. What did you think about the new escalator that we rode in last week? What do you mean?

The new escalator, Cadillac escalator. We're just talking about this. Oh yeah, very nice. Yeah, that's car. Those things, the brand new escalator is crazy, huh? Nice. Yeah, it is. The whole front dash is like all TV monitor.

See, there it is. Tesla patents, new wipers. So this is on a video. Let's see if we can fast forward. Anyway, maybe Doug can pull the picture. No, I want to see this. I want to see this. Lasers clean the windshield, bro.

That's crazy to me. Well, better not be like when they try to do that. It's crazy to say shit. I'll see. I'll shoot lasers. I'll damage. I'll not damage eyes. Oh, yeah, that's true.

I wonder, I didn't think of that if it's hitting the eyes I wonder if it's going to like assist the wipers There's no windshield wipers and it's just lasers that's what I randomly Zap whatever's coming at it. I swore to God. I was not buying Out there the science well just think of like I'm trying to picture like a was like, Adam's not buying this. I'm not, I just saw a mean two out there. You're the science skeptic. Well, just think of like, I'm trying to picture like, storming rain, like these lasers are getting every rain drop before it's your windshield.

Yeah. Not so bad. So the worst thing. What's it hits your windshield blast it off? Yeah. Or that, if the one sounds crazy to me. No, no. Laser is so precise and not only precise,

but very fast, obviously they're lasers. So it's, if it's wet, it's just gonna do this and heat them up and evaporate them. So theoretically, it should be better than regular windshield wipers. Did, you know? Yeah, that's a great idea. I need to see a big, speaking of tech.

You guys want to hear something saying? So this was just released. So Israel, right? They have an AI sniper weapon that they just revealed that they use. So there was an Iranian nuclear scientist. So you know how they're always trying to prevent Iran from developing nuclear capabilities, right?

Cause, sure, you know, as we know, they've said oftentimes they want to wipe Israel off the fa- whatever, so there's this like thing, right? So they assassinated any Iranian nuclear scientists with this AI sniper. So it's a sniper that's controlled by AI. You wanna get this? How far the rifle was from this person?

How far? Over 1,000 miles. 1,000 miles? Over 1,000 miles. Shot a bullet. I didn't even know we have a bullet that could travel that far. I didn't either.

What? Doesn't that go real good? I don't know. Isn't that crazy? Wow. Because that's a lot. How do I make sure I got that? That sounds pretty impressive. I mean, it's a thousand yards would be crazy, Sal. Yeah, it would. A thousand yards because that's a mile is like, let me make sure I'm all right. It's like she was like Florida. No, no, listen. Oh, wait a minute. Maybe the thousand yards. Yeah, no, well, no, the right earthers like it hold on a second the rifle was operated from a thousand miles away. That's what up

So somebody's a way operator sniper. Okay, still still crazy. Not nearly as crazy as what I thought Give you a location that's a thousand miles from here think Think about that for a second. That's so cool. This should have pulled it from space. That's like for states over. Like that's how we're probably up to Washington state. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my bad. Still crazy.

It's just not as crazy as I thought it was. Pretty, it's not a, is it like a, like a sniper, sniper, sniper, sniper, sniper, sniper, sniper, sniper, like a, like a,'s a sniper with a knife. I got a like a like an AI person or is it like a like a drone? No, no, it's like a it's a rifle that's operated from with AI capabilities. So so it's a computer gun. Basically, all but a person is actually fired.

Yeah, the two. Like just yeah, like how does this guy, is just guided from the actual, the gun. The rifle itself is, it aims with AI. Yeah. So you set the target, it aims fire. So that's my point.

So is that mean that somebody else is pulling the trick, actually pulling the trick? From far away, so it's remote. So there were a thousand miles away. In the back to my original question, is it somebody, is it a, is it a machine holding the gun? Is it just a gun laying on the ground? Is it a drone flying?

Did you read it for article? According to the article, it's a piece of shit. It's a fucking rip. We're at the first half of the article. Did you worse than the Facebook factor? No, no. Well, it's where it got. No, it's a, it's a,

I just trying to picture this thing right now. Yeah, no. It's not as cool as the lasers though, huh? I mean, like I said, you know, both these things that you brought today are like, over the top crazy that I want to see, I want to see these things. This is a big stage.

Yeah. I thought it was cool. It's like, sounds like a theory article. Well, speaking of cool stuff, well, I don't know if this is cool. Kind of cool, kind of scary. So, do you guys hear that there's this technology that they're developing, and they say that they can do this, they just got money for it, that they could literally

modify vegetables like lettuce to where you can eat the lettuce and then get an mRNA based vaccine from the food. Did you hear about this? Maybe you can look it up, Doug. So they are literally getting that the technology exists apparently, and they're gonna start maybe pursuing this to where instead of getting a shot, they can modify vegetables to produce these mRNA components that you eat and then it gives you a vaccine. So rather than getting a shot, you eat something and then you get vaccinated.

I know. Now people are up in arms, can you? Yeah, people are up in arms, there's like, oh great, now what, they're gonna just make a bunch of vegetables and just, oh yeah, of course. Vaccinate everybody all the time. Yeah, that was in up in arms. There's like, oh great now what they're gonna just make a bunch of vegetables and just oh, yeah, of course Vaccinate everybody all the time. Yeah, that that was a little crazy. Yeah, are you looking it up right now, though?

Yeah, I can't say we're gonna the fact checks out I'm like we're getting fact check like I know I actually saw that one with the vegetables Did you see that confirm that you know speaking? It's speaking of money stuff Did you guys see okay? So I think it was this was it this year when they passed that law for college athletes now can take on money. Oh yeah, what's the call for the NIL? Yeah, yeah, I believe it was this year, this last year

and in the last year that they passed that. So now college athletes can be sponsors of do you see our partners Viori? Did their first, first athlete live you a doom? Yeah, the gymnast I think is what she is. Yeah, college gymnast. Yeah, really care. So that she's actually the first, I guess since that article, we brought it up on the show. I don't know how long ago. She the first or one of the first athletes. For Viori, she's the first. She's not like one of the first.

Barstool is the one that like jumped on it. Me. Yeah, they were already, Barstool was doing it right out the gates. I know that. So I don't know what the market looks like as far as how many people are doing that, but I imagine that's going to explode. Yeah. So explain this to me. So before college athletes were not allowed to be endorsed. If you were, yes, until you're professional. Yes. So they couldn't make any money.

So Nike couldn't come and get the number one basketball player. It's a sophomore and pay him a million dollars a year to plug their shoes. And the argument was, it's not fair because these athletes are generating so much money for the colleges, they're getting so many views and whatever. That's why I passed. Because they've been trying to get paid forever. The first was like, they should get paid

because their likeness is, I mean, selling jerseys. I mean, you have these schools that are popular for a sports program because of the athletes that go through it. I'm glad this is happening because I know the argument before was, yeah, I think it's a good thing that the students should focus on their education, but let's be honest, if you're a super popular college athlete and you're getting a degree in business

or you could be making millions of dollars of sponsorships, like if I'm their parent, I'm like, your business degree's not nearly as valuable as this. Yeah. I think this is smart thing to do. A lot of times, athletes don't really move on into the next level and do well either, too. That's true.

It's like their moment in the sun. So, yeah, I don't know. I've been kind of back up forth with it because it is like you do get a free education at a really good college if you get, you know, an awesome scholarship to them. So that is something. It's like you can't just downplay that completely,

but like I do get the fact that, you know, there is lots of money to be made off through these lineness. I was gonna tell you guys, Viori is making such big waves. I think this is my own personal opinion, but now these other big brands are moving into the Athletesure Wear for Men Market.

So, sketchers, and I'm noticing all these brands now, we're starting to put forth kind of Athletesure Wear clothing for men because Viori has shown that this market exists. Oh yeah, no, it wasn't a really, I mean, just a decade ago, it wasn't really a market. Yeah, they created it. It wasn't at all. No. And you can make the argument that Lulu was one of the first women.

Yeah, but they came in women, right? Yeah, but even then, the athlete's your wear wasn't even a thing. Like no one, you know, and said athlete's your wear just 15 years ago. No, back when we were growing up, if you were our sweats, you look like a bum. Yeah. I mean, that's what it was. Like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, we're sweats going out.

Or there's like, there's this, you're rocky. You're a, a chasing chickens right. I'm afraid about rocky. What a great movie. Best love story of all time. You're interrupting me. And I wanted to ask Justin something.

And we were just talking about, I was gonna ask you something related to that and then you chimed in to get to that. Call Jathleeds? Yeah, I was, oh, I was gonna ask you guys, what do you think about? Because when you're under 18, that money, I mean, it's mom and dad's money still.

So I wonder if that's gonna cause problems with, imagine you have, like, That's not a bad point. Yeah, you have parents who are the child actors. Yeah, their parents just can do this. Yeah, so I imagine you're gonna see some stuff like that pop up that's gonna be an issue where you have these parents that are like, no, he's still living under my roof

and he's 16, so that's coming to dad. Now it takes control. Now if this happened to me, which is salivating lawyers ready to go. Totally. And what do they call it, emancipate themselves from their parents? Now if this was me, I would be doing it like this.

I'd be like, all right, son, here's a deal. You're gonna pay me back first for this college that I'm paying for and then after that, that's your money. I think that's fair, don't you? But you think that's fair? Totally. Well, I mean, how do you manage that? It's a mom and dad.

I mean, you got a kid, let's say he's a sophomore in college, and he gets this crazy ass payout like that. You're still taking the trash out. Yeah, he's still living at your house. You're paying for like the $24,000 you're paying. My house, my house, you're making three million. You're taking the trash out. I'm buying my own house, dad. Yeah. What $24,000 you're making $3 million. You're taking the trash.

I'm buying my own house, dad. Yeah. What do we have to do now? Yeah, no. No, that's a very, that's a very very important one. Yeah, I just see, I just foresee a lot of issues around, I mean, like just, I mean, we saw what happened with Britney Spears, right? That took forever for her to get her own money back.

Yeah, but I think she's proving that why her parents kept them on. She's a little crazy, isn't she? Yeah, the first thing she did is like, good crazy. Huh? Good crazy. And your fantasies do. Yeah, a lot of fantasies about her touch you.

That's hilarious. Hey, speaking of kids and setting them up, I was talking to a friend of mine about, what's that company? We have no affiliation, but there's multiple companies. Stockpile. That's the one that you and I. I can't think of a better thing to do with your kids.

So basically, this company, there's other companies that do this where you can buy think of a better thing to do with your kids. So basically, this company, these other companies, I do this, where you can buy fractions of shares or shares as a gift for other people. So like before, if I wanted to buy Amazon for somebody, I'd have to pay, one share would be like $1800 or whatever. Now you can buy $20 worth of Amazon. You can make it as a gift. And I've already done this with Aralius

when he was born and when he got baptized, for example, I said to my family, if you wanna get him anything, here's the five companies that you can invest in, here's the, and it figured your kid starts this when they're a baby all the way to the 18, and for every birthday, people are buying, some stock. What a, I can't think of a better thing.

I am having a bit of a challenge with it, the family are the biggest pain in the ass because they're just like, they everybody wants to get old bored with it. Yeah, well, you're, and you'll see, they all want to buy them toys. Yeah. They want to, they want to be the, you know, the aunt, uncle, the grandparent, whatever that brings the cool toy. They don't want to say, oh, you got stock. You know, that's what I've got you.

So that's what I'm dealing with. Like, we have this Katrina as a massive family. I have a pretty good sized family. So like dude, my son should be rich already by this two birthdays Christmas. Not so, no, I've got numbers. I literally think I have, I've got like, I'd say four or five family members,

which that's cool. At least somebody's contributing and helping. Yeah, it's better than nothing. It's bad stuff. Right, but I mean, he's still, he should have been set by now. Instead, I have a bunch of fucking toys I throw away every six months. Well, dude, so this is what I used to donate

Yes, this is what I used to do right is that because you come on from Christmas, you know this now And your car is full of just toys Yeah, and your kid can't even play with them all. Yeah, it's just too much So what I used to do is I would see which ones they like which is usually two of them and then the rest I'd return and I take that money and I put it in their bank account Well now what I'll do is I'll find you want to buy him a toy. That's cool. I'll return it. I'll get the money and then I'll buy the shares for my kid because you kid don't give it they don't care. Yeah. Yeah. They get the two toys. The rest of them are just

pilots. You know what? He hasn't seen this like it's been like seven months. Just wrap him. We'll give it to him for Christmas now. So. Come on, man. Yeah, it's very good. I might parents. I don't think I thought I only got Max anything for one or his first Christmas. I don't think I got him. He just got brother's kids.

He's just now the age where he even, you know, realizes he's opening something and getting something. So this year will be like the first year I actually get. When I was a kid, my dad told us this when we got older. He goes, I was so sick and tired of you guys having so much crap that one day, we used to have a plate, but there was one room dedicated to toys and shit. My dad went in there one day with a garbage bag when we weren't home and filled up two garbage bags

and threw them away. We never noticed. We never noticed. When we got older, he told us about this and I, oh my God. So I did this to my kids. We do that to my time. Yeah, that's my daughter.

We took, and what I do is I'll put a bunch of stuff on a garbage bag and I'll take the garbage. Yeah, you can take it down the street. Well, first what I do is I can. You'll hide it for like two weeks. I heard it for like a week. Yeah, they don't ask anything then you know that. Never.

They never notice anything. I've already done it twice now. And I just thought it should have been. Where's my Megatron? Dude, hey, speaking of kids, I meant to ask you. I don't done it twice now. And I just throw it in the way. Where's my Megatron? Dude, hey, speaking of kids, I meant to ask you. I'm not getting it. I'm bringing this up. One of the last podcasts, you got,

cause I know, do both your kids play Roblox or just yours? Yeah, I know, two, my daughter is doing it. She does too. So they see, they got strip clubs on there now. God, dammit. Are you serious? Yep. Like what?

I know they had concerts. So they had like concerts and everything inside there They had like I mean that royal blood that's some other like cool bands in there But I had no idea that they're trying to get all Why this is for like well? This what happens when you open it up for cuz it is I and you guys know They're not perfect they can they can create their own levels and rooms and right their own code Right, is that what's so kind of cool about it that everybody thinks it's so awesome?

Well, that'll make you strip clubs. Because they make their own games and stuff like that. The dysfunctional kid, bro. No, it's not some 40-something year old paternity. Yeah, it's some sort of kiddo in there. Or that, you know what I'm saying? Or it's like a teenage, to me, I see most likely teenage boys thinking it's funny to do shit like that, and they can write code now or do whatever.

But the hell they create? Doug pulled it up there first. Like in Minecraft, we get like one huge already in just like a history. Hey Doug, how come we do pull it up? You had your credit. Your clubs, robugs. Why didn't pop up right away, dude?

Welcome back, Doug. Yeah, welcome back and say, would you like to have, you might also like this. You have a $500 credit. Would you, would you, would you like to complete like to complete your lap dance that you didn't finish? Well, I pretty much scared the shit out of my daughter. Right. I sat down with her and I said.

I mean, how do you monitor that? Well, you try. I mean, they're little boxy characters, so I can't imagine that being very provocative. Well, I mean, I so, look at that appearing on kid-friendly roadblocks. What the hell? Yeah, I'm sure they regulate, I hope they regulate that appearing on kid friendly roblox. What the hell?

I'm sure they regulate I hope they regulate that it's probably such a big I mean how do you do exactly so big I'm creating more more yeah, look at what the hell makes me want to beat someone that's why I go every now and then I'll play whatever game that they're really into that's why I want to like Kids oh I'm curious like, because I'm curious. Just like, I'm helping my kids. Yeah, like I'm beating you. You guys suck at this. Yeah, no, so I scared the shit out of my daughter

because I sat her down and I said, you know that there's weirdos on here pertaining to be kids. I know, but I know they, I said, no, no, you don't understand. They will be friends with you for years. He's like, oh yeah. He's like, oh yeah. Yeah, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he for years. He's like, Oh, yeah. Yeah, they will kidnap you.

I'll scare the fuck out of him. I said, They will be friends with you for years. You think that you know them? Oh, I've been playing with this person for three years. He'd be out 14 right here. I'm like, it's a 40 year old dude. With Harry shoulders behind his computer, just waiting.

And she's like, what? Yeah, scared to show. The Harry shoulders. Good dad. I mean hairy shoulders. Good dad. That's what we do. I mean, yeah. Good dad. You want him worried.

Anyway, speaking of gross stuff, what's up? What's this article? I read this article, Justin, you brought this up too. Did you hear about the C-snakes trying to bang diapers? Yeah. Yeah. So apparently this has been a thing. A lot of diverging.

There's a divers have noticed recently behavior. I think it's because they found themselves amongst like, you know, in animals have their mating season. So I guess they're getting extra aggressive and like wrapping themselves around these divers and nibbling on them and, you know, and then biting them and they're venomous and everything. So.

God, you know what's funny? Okay, so of course, sea-nakes will mate that way. But for whatever reason, I thought the cease-nake was trying to penetrate it. They're like penetrated. That's why I thought of meant to. That's why I thought of meant to. But why would they have sex that way?

They wouldn't do it that way. What's the title of somebody who writes articles for a magazine or for a news here? What's their title? Is it just a writer? A writer? A author, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I think so. Yeah, an Ole Miss or something. I know, I just think of like, imagine like you get that, right? As your, the editor comes in and be like, this is what you're reporting. Hey, we want you to report on the source. Yeah, I feel like that's a big, big, big investment, right? That you get some more, like this that you have to write about, right? Ben, someone doesn't actually go and seek this information out.

And they're venomous, too. Yeah, dude, it's a problem. So what do you do? You let them mate with you? Yeah, you just get it. Yes, they're till they're done. Oh, dude, it's a problem. So what do you do? You let them mate with you? I mean, just get, yes, they're till they're done. I don't know. I don't know. This is in Australia.

Of course, it's Australia, man. They got all kinds of creatures. They have the craziest animals down there. Spiders and big asses. What is the latest that's going on over there right now? I brought up the camps last time. I know, but I had people message me and let me know they're okay, so that was good. So I have a 50-50 split. I've got some people that are like freaking out over there saying

that crazy over here. Yeah, it's crazy. We're fighting back and we're doing all that like this is unbelievable. Then I have people be like, you know, it's not bad, you know? I think it depends on where you live there too. Like the different states, I think, are more aggressive than the other ones. But yeah, it's it varies. Like there's some people are like, man, this is like the different states, I think are more aggressive than the other ones. But yeah, it varies. Like there's some people that are like, man, this is like the apocalypse down here. Yeah, you know. Yeah, it is interesting.

You know, they did, there was a large study done on mask mandates to see if they actually had an impact. So here's what's interesting. I actually had this conversation. Who was it that I talked to? I talked to somebody who understands research really well and they explained this to me. So it's masks definitely can help prevent the spread of viruses. It's not 100%, not even 50%, but it does have an impact. However, when you look at real world studies and they're now coming out from places that have mass

mandates versus those that don't, they don't see a difference. So I asked this, my friend, I said, how is this possible? Because I'm looking at studies where they actually test masks to see how much virus they prevent from coming out, whatever, and it looks like there's a 10% or 20% reduction. You should be able to see that in the data. And he said, and I thought this was brilliant, what they don't account for is user error and how people use the mask. So if masks are used perfectly, then they help.

But who the hell uses one perfectly? It's funny because I have a family member that's a nurse and she told me, nobody wears a mask properly, like the way you're supposed to touch it and use it once and this and that, she's like, people reuse it all the time. They're taking off. They touch the face all the time. They put these points since day one because she got trained to how to properly use an N95 mask

in like, you can't, you're not supposed to even able to smell something. You know, and they spray you with all these things and then they, they'll get like pepper spray and stuff to like, you know, make sure that's it. Yeah, to test out, if you don't get it, like your eyes are gonna water and all this like, so if you don't get it right,

and half the time they don't get it right. So it's just like, it's on, and that's the N95 one, I'm gonna stop there. Well, no, it's again, you have to, no, no, this is good because we do this. We see this in page entry. We see this in health studies too, right? Well, they'll say artificial sweeteners

will cause weight loss. Why? Because if you cut your sugar out of your diet and replace it with sucralose, you're cutting your calories, you should lose weight. In the real world, it doesn't work that way. Studies show nobody loses weight. Why?

Because what we don't account for is human behavior. People end up eating more food. Anyway, so it just doesn't work. This is true for lockdowns, too. So they also showed that when they compared states with really strict lockdowns versus ones that didn't, it didn't really have that big of a impact. Well, so we're going to compare those things because you've got to think, too, there's probably a portion of people that just because of the mandate are also going to like revolt and not follow orders, either. So it's not just that. When you do something that's as an,

I can area like try and use that as a way to make base your argument that's really good. Well, here's what it was, because I've, again, I've read articles on this. Yes, if people stay away from each other, you definitely are going to spread less viruses. The problem is that we don't consider that if there are no lockdown mandates, but

people are aware that, oh, there's a spike, people naturally avoid crowded areas and change their behaviors. And so they find that because of those natural, those tendencies that people have, that it actually kind of balances out. So this is all the stuff that we don't consider, right? We just look at data. That's the behavioral part of all. Yeah, and we say, just do do this it'll work and but we never

Consider like well, how will people gonna behave how are they an actor gonna do it right those are all things that you know need to be looked at Which you know very interesting? I saw someone say that the Taliban was was offering their assistance in hotel or in hospitals What yeah, is that satire? I thought it was thatire too, but I thought it was too, but it seemed like a real article. Where in Afghanistan? It said, let's see if Doug can pull it up. Taliban offers assistance in hospitals. We have COVID cure, we cut off your head. Yeah, I've seen that making it rounds right now.

What the hell? I'm crazy. That's ridiculous. Hey, I'm going to change. Are we? I'm going to change subject to something really, I'm gonna change. Where are we? I'm gonna change subject to something really cool. Did you see, you guys never checked, do you?

Do you guys ever check your box from butcher box so you can add like the specials? No, no, no, you, I've been learning the same thing over. No, I can't help it. I'm not going to, I go to a restaurant, I like what I eat, I stick with you. No, no, no, you don't have to change what you have. You could, there's add-ons, so every month

they'll have specials for add-ons. So you can add something, it doesn't change your box. So right now, they have, and I don't know if it's gonna be on when this podcast air, so you can go check, there's a six plus pound beef brisket already prepared. That you can, and it's seasoned and prepared, and it's supposed to be really good, and you can add it to your box, and it's already cooked. So I have to do is warm it up, put in the oven, and it's seasoned and prepared, and it's supposed to be really good, and you can add it to your box,

and it's already cooked, so all you have to do is warm it up, put in the oven, warm it up, and boom, you have a question. Oh, I've been, Doug, have you, have you, actually, I should do on the trigger. I was gonna say, have you done, let's try, you have one now too. Yeah. That's still, I have yet to do like a 12, 24 hour smoke

on like brisket yet, I haven't done that yet. Have you done that yet? Yeah, it wasn't with butcher box, because butcher box doesn't sell the actual brisket. But I did buy a grass-fed brisket probably two, three years ago and use my old traeger. How long do you smoke for? I think 12 hours. Did it come out good? It came out good. Unfortunately, that particular piece of meat was pretty low fat, and you need a bit of fat with a brisket, I feel. But if you're trying to-

We've tried to make brisket several times where you slow cook it in the oven, and one time it came out good. Yeah, it's tricky. It's really hard. It's not easy at all. And then, whenever, ever since we went to Texas and had brisket there, ruined brisket for me.

Because everything else is terrible. It's terrible. They're not using grass-fed though out me. Everything else is thermal. It's thermal art out there. They've been using grass fed though out there. Oh, absolutely not. Yeah, you see the laying. They're feeding them beer and yeah. You see the fat on them, so good. Hell good.

I want to try that though, so I'll definitely do that. Yeah, but it's pre-prepared, so I would imagine they make it pretty good. You know, Doug, if that's just like a short time, so I need to know what time I need to get on that run. Yeah, I think typically their special offers are limited so you better get over there. Okay.

All right, one more thing, I want to tell you some crazy good news. This is really exciting for you. I like when you bring good news. Yeah, this is very good. Yeah, let's lighten it up. I have a nephew who's got severe food allergies, like really bad.

He's had anaphylactic shock a couple times and my sister, you know, she's God bless her. She's always, she's so on top of it, but it's so hard because there's several foods that do this to him. And it's been really scary and a couple times she's had to hit him with the EpiPen because he like, he goes limp in the whole deal, right?

Well anyway, he's now, it's the hell does he? 11 or 10, 11 and she's been doing, cause this is a new strategy now, where you, you, you, you, you, you desensitize your body, your body, your child's immune system to their, their, whatever they're allergic to. With microscopic, microscopic doses, and you gradually increase them.

He's been doing this for a while. And this is a relatively new thing, because in the past, they were like, stay away from peanuts or whatever. Now it's like, now they tell you to give them like a little bit of peanut butter, you had to start like super, super small, right? So she took him there to the doctor to do full on tests.

Okay. And now this is scary because he's at the hospital. They're ready with staff because he's had where he's almost died before. My sister was like texting us super worried because if something goes wrong, even with all the medication and all the stuff that I'm having anxiety, you must feel like he could still die. Like he could have it so bad no matter what they do. Oh my God.

So they had everything ready, hospital ready to go. He's sitting there and she did this whole photo shoot. Give me the chills. I looked the photos. I was, I brought me to tears. And you can see he's super nervous. He's like biting his nails, crossing his legs. He's really scared.

And they gave him his first little dose of like peanuts and they waited, waited, waited, nothing. Then they gave him a little more, nothing. Then they gave him a scoop of like an actual scoop of peanut butter. His peanut allergy's gone. Wow. Gone.

He went right afterwards. How long to progress. You know, that's a good question I should ask her. But I think it took a couple of years. Oh, wow, that long time. He afterwards, he would, I mean, my sister was in tears, they were so excited. They went right to the store, bought Reese's Pieces Cups and bought like all the foods that he's so scared of.

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So here's what's interesting. And I want to say this before I get into the point that I'm going to make, right? Because we talk all the time about boosting your metabolism through building muscle. And then oftentimes, I'll get people who will retort and say, oh, you know, studies show that a pound of muscle only burns this many calories, so it's not as big

an effect as you think. Here's the interesting thing about metabolism. You have, or imagine this, think of it this way. You have a range of calories that you can burn with the current lean body mass that you have, right? So, this is just for, you know, illustrative sense here. Let's say you have 150 pounds of lean body mass. Your potential calorie burn metabolism-wise

could be between two to three thousand calories, for example, or two thousand to twenty five hundred calories, with the same lean body mass. Simply eating more actually gets your body to burn more calories. So it's cutting calories actually will slow your metabolism down. When you lift weights and you send the signal to build muscle, even if you don't build muscle because you're prioritizing or at least sending the signal to build muscle and strength, you will move more towards the upper limit of what that calorie burn is.

So step number one, by boosting your metabolism, isn't just to increase your calories, but it's to send a muscle building strength building signal. And you don't have to add a lot of muscle to do this. I mean, you can add a pound of muscle or two pounds of muscle, but make a big difference. Step number one, if you do this, you have to follow a good workout that's really working and you're seeing strength increases. Most people that ask this question are already working out. The advice I like to give to someone like this is actually to switch your programming up when you decide to do this. I've had a lot of success with clients because you're normally

training them or they've trained before or this person asks this question, I'm guessing is probably already lifting. So instead of just, okay, you're following the same routine or your favorite program or your favorite workout and then now you go, oh, I heard on my pump, I want to build my metabolism, so I'm going to start increasing my calories and you just increase your calories and that's it. And then hopefully you just put on lean body mass. I also at that same time want to shift my focus on my training, and that can look a lot of different ways.

I mean, you can go to a whole different program, you can add in new exercises, you can manipulate your rep ranges. There's a lot of different ways for you to manipulate this, but I think also sending a new loud signal, I think it just protects you with any sort of extra calories that you make. It's really hard to be like, okay, well, how many calories do you eat to build just muscle and no fat? Well, it's almost inevitable you're gonna put on a little bit of body fat because you're in a calorie surplus

consistently. So, well, how do I ensure that most of it goes to building muscle? One of the ways I can do that is send a new loud signal to my body that I need to adapt to this new movement or this different way of training. I think it's a smart strategy and I always do that. Anytime I'm switching gears on a cut or a bulk, I also like to switch gears on my program. Now do you guys like target say specific macronutrients to kind of focus on more to boost those calories up,

like say more protein, like actively trying to seek more protein in your diet versus carbohydrates or fat. I would recommend clients that the proteins, the must first that we get, but I actually don't tell them they have to get, if they have, if they're gonna increase their calories by say 150 to 200 calories, I don't say, oh, it has to come from protein.

I say it's so long as your protein targets are hit, you can use it however you want. Some days if you feel like you want more carbohydrates or more fat and I think there's value to going on all three directions. I agree 100% because if once you hit that target, adding extra protein, it's okay, your body will turn it into energy.

Here's the problem though with adding too much protein. It's so seashathing that past a certain point, if you're really starting to reverse your diet and starting to bump your calories, you'll find that, oh, I can't eat anymore. Because protein is so satiating. I've had female clients tell me that, like, you know, I'm reverse dieting and I'm trying to get my metabolism up, but I'm so stuffed. And I look at the protein intake and this is not

calm, this is rare. These are for people that really pay attention. Like, well, your protein's really high, it's gonna zap your appetite, which is a good thing if you're trying to cut, but when you're trying to reverse out, you know, and trying to go up, maybe not. I would say, you know, as far as how fast to increase your calories, depends on the person, you know, 100 calories to 300 calories,

this probably the range, I would say, although I've seen people go up higher than that, who have a lot of lean body mass, we can get away with adding 500 calories and not gaining, you have to be. Lean big and already muscular and you're trying to add more. I mean, you could easily go 500 plus on some. But I mean, here's a strategy, right?

Follow a good strength building routine. That's number one. Slowly increase your calories. That's number two. Get good sleep. That's number two, get good sleep. That's number three. You do those three things and you should see over time and some people just happens pretty quickly.

You should see your metabolism really start to boost and sometimes you'll get your, I mean, I've had clients increase their metabolism by a thousand calories. Like, they're literally burning a thousand more calories a day just sitting there. So huge, very effective strategy Next question is from Fredrickson 855

What do you guys think about complexes when it comes to building muscle? So now let me get this straight. I'm asking Justin. Yeah kind of like a performance thing is now how many exercises Constitutes a complex complex. yeah, that's a good question. I would say three, but I mean, I could be wrong. I'm looking up, Doug. Yeah, look it up. Yeah, because then it becomes circuit. Because then we just basically stack some of these exercises together to make the overall

exercise more difficult, obviously. So it's like, you're basically super setting, but it's usually in a way where you have like one, you either have a barbell, you have dumbbells, you have basically super setting, but it's usually in a way where you have like one You either have a barbell you have dumbbells you have kettlebells. There's different ways you can do it But it's not like you're replacing it. You're trying to use the same equipment To pull off these moves and usually starts with like deadlift goes into squat goes into overhead press goes into back loaded squat And then they there's kind

of creative variations from there. Yeah, I feel like this is not feel like. The benefit of this really is about strength stamina, strength endurance. Yeah, it's a work capacity. Exactly, even better. Way to say it. Does this contribute to muscle building? Not directly.

I don't think it directly, it's a great way to build muscle. However, if you improve your work capacity and your capacity to handle higher reps and move from what exercise to exercise, could that contribute to building more muscle when you do more traditional type lifting? I'd say yes. I mean, I, intermittently using this as a tool.

Sure, I like it. For using that as your way of training most of the time, terrible idea. I mean, it's, if building muscle is your goal right? Yeah, if building muscle or strength, building muscle or strength, you're going to be better off with straight sets

and long rest periods and one lift. Just plain simple, all the research supports that. Does that not mean that you get some benefits from running a complex, a circuit, a superset, a tricec, all these different ways of combining exercises in a routine? Yeah, there's value to it, but the more and more you keep adding to that, you start to sway over to work capacity

endurance, stamina, and that becoming the major adaptation and not building strength and muscle as the number one adaptation. Yeah, you know, it's funny is that Doug's been pulling up articles on complexes and this is what I thought, that's why I wanted to, you know, just confirm. The word complex in our space

is been used to replace circuit because circuit sounds like, you know, it's like a aerobic class. Yeah, aerobics. It doesn't sound tough, right? So what they're doing now is calling it. It works on me. Yeah.

Like, like, oh, a compilance is totally different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, because like he pulled up an article. Here's a nine exercise barbell complex, right? Sounds better than a nine exercise barbell circuit. Because you'll have a circuit training. That's why I think it's crap. It's crap for the most part.

Intermittently using it, you're short on time one day and you wanna do a cool complex to get your workout in 20 minutes. Sure, do it. Are there some with kettlebell outside? You know, it's just good to change it up, but yes, totally a novelty. So this is like a novelty workout

that you can do every occasionally and get some benefit from it, but yes, not something you wanna stick with. Well, this is what CrossFit calls it all time, right? Oh, I got this new barbell complex I'm doing that super cool, yeah, it's like part of their lingo. That's where it came from, because otherwise we would just call it

shitty circuit training. Yeah, that's what we call it two decades ago. That's shitty, yeah, we're just doing some shitty circuit training. It's a true trainer, yeah, thank you. The most exercises I think you should combine for, now forget performance, stamina, work capacity. I think you could put together complexes, but they have to be programmed really well. It's rare that I see a really well programmed combination of four or more exercises.

But let's just say your goal is to build muscle. The most exercises you probably should combine are two. I think a super set, you can do that. Pass that, it starts to really tap into that cardio component where it becomes very, very much about endurance. Yeah, and let's just the goals, like yeah, it's durability. Yes. And, you know, that's part of the adaptation you're seeking. Like, it's, you know, it's one of those other tools

you can pull out and go for it. And by the way, if you're, if you're listening and I know I just shit all over complexes and maybe that's the way you train all the time, if you're consistent with it, you love doing it, you're good at your form and technique and it's what keeps you coming back and training all the time, like, okay, it's got value to it. Because you like doing it and you have fun with it, then by all means, go ahead and keep it.

But if you're going to get a question like this where you ask me straight up, is it good for building muscle or building strength compared to straight sets? No, no. Yeah. Next question is from S Powers 28. Do you choose your weight based on RPE or simply aim for whatever you lifted during your last workout?

Yeah, so RPE is what rate of perceived exertion, you know, and they give it a name or whatever. I move more towards that than anything. Why? Because the way that I feel each day can change. And so if I go into the workout saying, I'm going to train at 70% of my one rep max, and I feel a particular way that maybe doesn't back that up, that I'm gonna follow how I feel.

The only time I like percentages based off of maxes are for specific types of strength athletes like power lifters, where I think it has more value. But I think for most people, you should go off of your perceived exertion because 10 reps with 200 pounds may feel very, very intense to you one day and another day it may feel a lot easier. I feel like this is just another example how the fitness space loves to overcomplicate things.

Totally. Unless you're a strength athlete where you need to be progressing in strength like week over week or you're in a- And you have a peak date. Yeah, and you have a peak and you got a compete and stuff like that. Like, I never measured percentages like this

and like took my body to the ultimate peak level of the way it looked wise fitness wise like I just think that someone hears this and they're like oh where I got to figure out what I need to put on the bar here And I'm not sure I did this last week. So what should I do this way? It's like whoa dude like how do you feel? Yeah, it's not that it's not that crazy It's like literally you have a pretty good idea of what you think you could do right? Okay, let's put that on the bar. Let me know how to do a set. How do you feel? Was that really fucking hard?

Was that really easy? Like where are you at? Should we cut back on some weight? Cause your form was off a little bit. I mean, it's, it's really, that simple. They think that they're making it easier by like sort of standardizing these things. It's like, like simplifying it

but they made it way more complex. Yeah, like you said, like you could just literally go based off your feel, but you have to do work in order to assess what that feeling is for that day. So you have to do, that comes with experience. Every time you go to approach weights, your body, you understand that you have different days where you feel stronger in different days. And there's multitude of factors that contribute to that. So you can't just like standardize that to everybody and be like, oh, well,

this is gonna be your percentage for the day. And they've tried this with HRV even, and you know, just because the science has helped kind of guide it, but it's just not perfect. The way I always teach clients is like, lean towards lighter, okay? So always put on the bar a little less than what you think you could do for that set,

because the goal is to be two reps short of failure. And if you underestimated so much that when you're doing 10 reps and you're at rep five and you're like, oh, shit, this is way light. I could have put 50 more pounds on this thing. Slow the reps down. Literally just slow. And for the intensity you were looking for. Yes.

So if you were looking for an intensity that would be struggling struggling at 8, 9, and 10 to get a done. But you feel like at 5, 6, this is way too light. I couldn't put a video more pounds. Slow the tempo down. Dude, go way slower. People need to, there you go. People need to understand that. I could make 60 pounds feel like 100 pounds very easily

through focus, technique, tempo, and make it just as effective. So that's a great advice. Here's the thing that I think is important to communicate to people. It's not just how you feel going into the workout, but how you feel as you're working out. And I have to say this,

because I've had people go into a workout with a particular mentality and then ignore their body the whole workout. Like, they, oh, I'm supposed to do eight sets of squats. I feel really good. And it's like, the numbers and pushing through. Yeah, and then by set four, they know, like, oh, this is too, but they, oh, no, I gotta do more sets.

Like, you can change your mind halfway. It happens to me all the time, in both directions. It's happening before I start to workout, feeling like, oh, you know, I'm a little tight. I don't know, and then halfway through, I'm like, no, I'm feeling good. And it happens the other way too, where I start to back off. Like that's the ultimate guide is how you're feeling at any given moment and pay attention

to that. And that's what I mean by here's the fitness space over complicating stuff and throwing acronyms, thinking that you're simplifying. It's like, dude, no, that shit matters for most of the population. And if you're somebody who really grabs this, I'm not talking to you. If you're somebody who loves to calculate all this stuff up, you track all your weights, and you're all about increasing your strength,

and that's all you care about. But the general population, that's not their main focus. They wanna lose some body fat, build a little bit of muscle, be healthy, move better, and like getting cut up and hung up on stuff like this. Wait a time. Yeah, it's a waste of time for 95% of you. Next question is from Bailey Jordy. Have you tried the supplement Turk Kesterone?

Yeah. Sure. It's sour. I, of course, sour. With thousand percent sour. I hate to say it, but I called this out again. Remember, okay, how long? Okay, so you guys know,

Ecclisterone. Is this a Turkian net? Okay. No, what? Turkey balls, right? Turkey balls, right? Is this Turkey balls? Yeah, it's not. It's not from a turkey, everybody calm down.

All right, you guys have heard me talk about Acti sterone, yes, I brought it up. I don't know, how long we had the podcast seven years ago? Yeah, at least, right? So Acti sterone is a compound, it's actually an insect, it's an insect hormone, but it's also found in plants. And the first studies you'll find on Acti sterone, and believe me, this is connected to terchesterone.

The first studies you'll find that were done on empty sterone were Soviet studies. And the Soviets studied empty sterone. Actually, there's studies from that time where they compared it to dianeable. They actually compared it to dianeable. And it was a low dose of dianeable, nonetheless, by the way, dianeable is debol, it's a steroid. They did a study. I think it was like eight weeks long.

Ectosterone compared to, I think it was 10 milligrams of 15 milligrams a day of debull, which is low by body building standards, but the average person you give in 15 milligrams of debull are going to feel it. They compared the two. Ectosterone outperformed it in an eight week study. Yes. Ectosterone also reliably increases the amount of wool that sheep will grow, increases muscle mass and animals when they test animals. So pigs, cows, you give it to sheep, mice. Now human studies were mixed.

However, again, these Soviet studies showed that it worked very well. Now here's the problem. Finding real Ectosterone was really hard to do back in the day. A lot of bullshit was out there, but I remember, I've taken ectosterone, I've taken real ectosterone. And let me tell you, it definitely works. You definitely build muscle, your appetite goes up.

A lot more wool. You get, you get, no side effects. No, it actually, it definitely works. It's not forever. I think you'll take it for like... Oh, is it like humana for when we play it around with that? Yeah, so you'll take it for like 60 days and then you just not doing anything for you anymore. You'll get a libido boost in the beginning and then it kind of flattens out. That's what I thought about humana for was we were all so excited about messing with that. And I remember like the first month, we are all reporting grade seven, and then like plateaued. And then done. Yeah, nothing.

And then when you go off, you actually feel a little bit of a dip off of the extra stone. Now it doesn't interact with hormones, it doesn't race the testosterone, it doesn't interact with the Androgen receptors. They think it's mediated by the estrogen receptors, that's interesting enough.

Turquistarone is also a similar type of steroid molecule. They actually steroid molecules. So it's very similar, so it's supposed to be more effective. I've never used Turkesteroan, but it's similar to Ekti-Sterroan. If you get real Turkesteroan, it'll work. You'll definitely notice, but it's gonna be about 45 days, 60 days, and then it's not gonna work anymore. And it's about time I was waiting for supplement companies

to jump all over this. I remember thinking to myself, I ever started a supplement company. I'm gonna, this is what I'm gonna say, but apparently it's really hard to find and real expensive. So is this pretty much the same thing? Is that what you're saying? Turquist around is supposed to be more effective than Ekti-Starone, but they're very similar chemically and they're in the same category. And you can find, by the way, spinach contains... And no side effects, it doesn't aromatize any of the data.

It doesn't. So here's what's interesting in the studies that I've read, it has health benefits. So improves liver function, blood sugar numbers, like all the stuff. So now, does that mean that there's no potential, you know, who knows, like bad side effects? No, but the studies seem to be pretty, pretty good on that. Well, it doesn't like normal test oshrone show that if you have low test oshrone, if you have low test oshrone, then you, you take a, yeah, but this, it doesn't affect hormones.

So what they used to think was you take this stuff and it raised the testosterone. And that's how they promote it. So in the 90s, when I first read about this stuff, I don't remember where I read the first articles, but it might have been muscle media 2000. That's a throwback. This was a magazine. The back black and white pages. Yeah, so this was it was on a tablet. No, this was this was back in the day when Muscle Media 2000 used to write about like weird shit and black market stuff and they wrote about Ekti Sterone. I read about it

and I'm like, holy shit, where can I find this? But they used to think that it was a testosterone booster and that's how they marketed it. Then they did studies and they found it, doesn't affect testosterone. Interesting. Doesn't raise testosterone, doesn't lower it. So does this fall under like the Sarm's category? Or where does it work?

No, because Sarm's attached to the Androgen receptor. And this doesn't. Now, here's why you have all this renewed interest. Because for a while, people were like, this is the next greatest thing. Then everybody was like, oh, this doesn't work because every company that sold like these steroids selling you bullshit. So people like, oh, this doesn't work. They weren't getting a real like these down. Here's why there's renewed interest. Was it you sawdust? Is that the organization that tests? Yeah, it leads. Okay. They came out and said,

we may need to ban this from Olympic sports because it works. So now everybody's excited and I knew supplement companies would jump on the ship and say, let's do this. Now, it does, they think it does work through the estrogen receptor. So will this have potential negative or positive who knows? Maybe in women, it might have more of a negative effect. I don't know. But does it work? Yes, it does. Does it work as well as eating good and having a good workout?

No, deer antler one. Oh yeah, yeah. I remember that was popular for that. Yeah, that's an interesting one too. A lot of anecdotes about that. I've never tried it. I heard a lot of people over there about it. I thought you did try that. No, I never found deer, like a good brand that I really wanted to try. And so I just never gave up. just never did some of that stuff before. You know, you just got me excited. Maybe I'll try some weird shit again. Yeah.

The last time I tried Petri Dish. The last time I tried weird stuff was ants. Remember ground up ants? Just saying I can't. Yeah. I had you guys all tried that. I forgot about that actually. Just force fed us.

I just didn't try it. It was like a little ant waste. A little antenna. Yeah, so you didn't have antenna, he didn't say anything. He didn't say anything, I ate that for the reason. He didn't do shit. Look, if you like our content, you'll love MindPumpFree.com. Head over to MindPumpFree.com, check out all of our guides.

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