Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1653: The Muscle Building Secrets of Jacked Prison Inmates, How to Adjust Your Workout to Accelerate Butt Growth, the Dangers of Bench Pressing With Your Feet on the Bench & More

Episode Date: October 1, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how men get jacked in prison if they are not eating in a calorie surplus, good glute exercises to build the butt, bench pressing with feet off the floor, and how the Mind Pump founders connected and decided to start the show. Adam addresses the haters in his DM’s. (4:41) The difference between discipline and motivation. Plus, the importance of having a trust circle. (7:42) Another example countering the risk of consuming too much dairy fat. (28:34) Dairy or nut milk with your Organifi Gold Juice? (32:52) Mind Pump Recommends, Star Wars: Visions and What If…? on Disney+. (38:03) Another glowing review for the benefits of Caldera. (40:33) What is the deal with vaccine mandates and the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement? (42:10) #Quah question #1 – How do men get jacked in prison if they are not eating in a calorie surplus? (50:20) #Quah question #2 – What are some good glute exercises to build the butt? (58:01) #Quah question #3 – What do you think about bench pressing with feet off the floor? (1:01:18) #Quah question #4 - How did you guys get connected to start Mind Pump? (1:06:04) Related Links/Products Mentioned  September Promotion: MAPS Performance and MAPS Suspension 50% off!   **Promo code “SEPTEMBER50” at checkout** Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Biomarkers of dairy fat intake, incident cardiovascular disease, and all-cause mortality: A cohort study, systematic review, and meta-analysis Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Watch Star Wars: Visions | Disney+ What If...? | Disney+ Originals Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** BLM leader in NYC threatens national 'uprising' over 'racist' vaccine mandates after three Texas women attacked hostess at Carmine's in vax passport feud Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP10” at checkout** Mind Pump #1362: What You Can Learn About Building Muscle from Inmates, Gymnasts and Sprinters  Mind Pump #1640: Five Steps to Build Muscle Without Adding Fat  Mind Pump #1370: The 4 Reasons Your Butt is Not Building  How To Grow Your Glutes (FREE Butt Building Guide) Vince GiRonda’s Guillotine Press Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, alright? Today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episode was with an intro portion where we talk about current events.

We bring up scientific studies and we mention our sponsors. Today's intro portion was 47 minutes long after that we got to the questions. So here's how we opened the episode. We talked about Adam's transformation post. So we gave us some, some, some, some talked a little bit about people DMing him and talking a little bit of crap on something he said in a previous podcast. When Adam's confident, I guess, people come after him.

That's it. Then we talked about discipline, the difference between discipline and motivation at a conversation with my daughter this morning that turned into a great learning lesson. Then we talked about how a new study just came out showing that dairy fat decreases risk of heart disease. Uh oh, what?

The opposite again. Come on. Weird how people don't eat. Completely the opposite. Weird how people don't always trust everything they say. How just so that is weird. Very strange. Then we talked about Organifies Gold Juice.

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Use the code mine pump for 20% off. Then we talked about the new Star Wars series visions on Disney Plus and the Marvel series, what if they're both animated, a lot of fun, yes, I'm a nerd. Yeah, I'm a nerd too, so. Go check it out. Then we talked about how one of our forum members

used Caldera's face serum on his hands and had a radical transformation. Apparently he had really dry, scaly skin on his palms and had a radical transformation. Apparently, he had really dry, scaly skin on his palms and he started using the Caldera Lab serum. And within, I believe 10 days had a dramatic change. I like their serum for my face. It's really, really good.

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That's C-A-L-D-E-R-A-L-A-B.com forward slash MindPump. Use the code MindPump for 20% off. And then we talk about BLM, Black Lives Matter in New York, protesting the vaccine mandates because they're racist. Uh oh. Uh oh. What's going to happen? People are split. Who do they go with? Uh oh. Uh oh. What's gonna happen? People are split.

Who do they go with? Uh oh. We'll see what happens. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. First person asked us, how do people get so buffed in prison if they're not eating a calorie surplus? So we talked all about what the workouts and stuff look like in prison.

So the next question, this person wants to know good glute exercises to build a dump truck. That's actually the word that he used dump truck. I think they're talking about having nice butt. The third question, this person wanted our advice on what we think about bench pressing with the feet off the floor. And then the last question, this person wants to know the mind pump origin story. So we talk about how we met and how we started the mine podcast. Also, these are the final hours for our 50% off sale of maps, performance, and maps suspension. Okay, so they're both half off. This sale is

ending very soon. As soon as you drop this episode, you only have a few hours take advantage of this. Head over to maps fitness products.com, use the code September 50 that September 5 0 with no space for that discount. This morning on the way here, because my kids are super into like 80s and 90s music. So I go on. Really? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, it makes sense, because when we were kids, I think the music your parents listen to maybe, I don't know, it's like a thing, right? So my daughter's always like, put on 80s, put on 90s, you know? So I'm like, all right. So today I went on and I go through the stations. I'm like, oh 90s hip hop.

This will be fun. This will be fun to listen to. What do you mean, dude? It's not fun. It's so inappropriate. Not fun. No, I did that just so you know. If you already figured this out.

Yeah, and I was like, this is not good. Bro, I quit. The dance is your chance. And like, I'm trying to introduce is not good. Bro, I quit. Bro, I quit. Bro, I quit. Bro, I quit. Bro, I quit. Bro, I quit. Bro, I quit. Bro, I quit. Bro, I quit.

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So I will wait a minute you got some heat on that on YouTube, too. Oh, yeah. Oh did it get it come on I didn't see if I just guys like oh my god Adam's ego. I could totally do this I know it always comes off that way fuck you you I'm saying fuck you That's all I gotta say this He did sound a little do shit I know it always comes off that way. Fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Fuck you. That's all I gotta say to this beauty. He did sound a little douchey, but I listen to it afterwards and I was like, you know, I knew it was gonna come off that way too. I was like, you know what?

But my point of that, and I obviously have probably- He just has supreme confidence. That is not why. The supreme confidence. Shut up, you're gonna make it worse, okay? My point of saying that to people is, because I mean, I used to get, I still get tons of these DMs is ever People think that those transformations are so fake or all they got to be on all the steroids and the point I was trying to make was not

Me having superior anything or being amazing and anything was that it's possible actually It's more like I don't know a lot and I could still do that. Okay. There's people out there with better genetics than me Know a lot more than me, and they can make that transformation. That was really the point I was trying to make. So anyways, back to the dude talking shit to me in my DMs. I had the pictures when I was rocking the bucket hats, where it's like, you know, forward bill and stuff like that.

And I have a tiny head, so when I, that style, when it was in style, I had to tuck my ears in. And so he was talking shit to me about you tucked in your, your, your, your, yeah, about that. And I was just like, you know, fuck you. It was one, it was in style two. I had, I have a small head. So if I wear that hat, I have to do that. It's you that or my, or my ears, or my ears to this. I don't know what we've done. Dumb bones. Yeah. I don't know what would be worse. But the irony of it was the kids bio picture. He's got the fucking 90s, you know,

you know those are back in style again, right? The big old like Oakley looking, goggle glasses. Dude, that's everywhere. Everywhere now. I'll say kids are the worst things that we've made fun of people for in the 80s and people are owning that.

Like the lightning bolt, like, gets in the side of their head with like a mullet and then like, rat tails are back Dude, no they're not are they really I'm serious. So that's you talked to Vicki told me like there's all these kids that come in and they want Specifically they want like a rat tail. Yeah, and she's like are you sure? Bring the bring the flat to that was the irony of this I know as some kid He's probably like 18 years old and he's talking shit to me

I'm like meanwhile you're fucking biting shit off the fucking 80s right now dude to get out of here Hey, I tell you well. I don't care how cool you think you are whatever you're wearing now and you're in your young You're gonna look like an idiot in 20 years. Yeah, you can't win dude. No. Yeah, nobody can win Well, especially if you're trying to be all cool. You know, anything that's real cool and in style is like wild and stupid. I just never cared. Yeah, go classy. Oh, hey, it's right here consistently out of style.

Man, I never cared. And you know what, turn it off. It's not for the old man, sir. I did the right thing. Turn it off, right? I did the right thing. Hey, so this morning speaking to my kids, right? So this morning, I woke up at five to do my workout at five,

45. I do my thing. It, of course, sucks, right? Working out at that time is just crap. I do my workout. My daughter comes out. How is it taking you to get all ramped up? Well, from five a.m. to five, 45.

Yeah. So I go downstairs. I take all my caffeine, go upstairs, and you know and go to the bathroom by the time it kicks in, then I go downstairs and do my workout or whatever. So I'm in the garage doing my thing, and I come out when I'm finally done. My daughter comes down and she's like, she looks at me with this like look,

like you're an idiot. And I said, what? Why are you looking at me like that? And she goes, I can hear you grunting and gasping for air in my room. And she goes, and you look like you're about to die, she goes, why do you love this so much? And I laughed and then I stopped, right?

A pause for a second and I said, I'll be honest with you, honey, I said, I don't love it at all, hate it. I said, but I do it anyway. And she's like, what? I said, less in time right here. That's right, absolutely. I'm like, I do it anyway. And she's like, what? I said, less in time right here. That's right. Absolutely. I'm like, I do it anyway.

I said, that's the difference between doing things because you feel like it and just being disciplined. I said, I don't like it. I don't want to wake up at five. I don't want to go and do 20 reps of squats, cold ass garage in the morning. I said, but I do it anyway. And I said, and that's for you.

That's what discipline is all about. And I don't think she got it because the look on her face was like, not right said, but I do it anyway, and I said, and that's for you. That's what discipline is all about. And I don't think she got it, because the look on her face was like, not right now, but she was, that's a great answer though, because you know, I bet you a lot of parents or a lot of people get hit with that from a kid, and they, oh, I do, they put on the, like, I love it.

It's like, no, why would you do that? Why would, because then the kid's gonna be like, well, I don't love it like my mom does, or my dad does. I never fucking do in this. But if you tell them straight up like that, like, listen, I don't love it like my mom does, or my dad does. I ain't ever fucking doing this. But if you tell them straight up like that, like, listen, I don't like this shit. It's hard. I would rather a slip in.

I don't do that, but there's other reasons why I do it. And there you're gonna find plenty of things in your life that you're going across just like this. It started a conversation too in the car. You know, we're talking about it and she goes, well, yeah, she goes, it gets easier though, right? Like it, and I said, well, you get more fit and you get stronger, but then you lift heavier and you work out harder. I said, so the reality is, and I remember this

with clients too, the truth is it hurts just as much today as it did when I first started, maybe even more, but the difference is my relationship with that pain associations completely different. Totally different. Like, do you guys remember this? Do you guys remember getting a brand new client who was de-conditioned, never worked out, never did any resistance training? And they would do an exercise,

and let's say it's tricep pressed down, like super basic exercise. And then they would start to burn, and they dropped the weight. Oh, yeah. That ever happened to you? I remember that when that first happened to me, I was like, I would try not to laugh.

Oh, what happened? Yeah, and I'd be like, why'd you drop the weight? Oh, it really hurts or it really burns. Oh, they don't have a relationship with pain like I do. They don't understand that there's good pain or bad pain. And that's like a great life lesson, right? It's like, it's shit's hard. It'll never not be hard.

You just have to get, I guess, tougher and more resilient. Well, it's funny. I mean, I kind of had a similar conversation because both my boys are in gymnastics and they're not competing in it. And so they've stepped up the level of their practices. And so, I mean, they're doing 100, 200 push-ups. You know, they got them doing all kinds of pull-ups.

They got them doing like really hard things. And I'm like, yeah, you know, like I, back up. I'm just like, yeah, this is perfect. But then Ethan woke up the other day and he was just like, oh, so sorry. He's just, ew, walking around just like, you know, feel sorry for himself trying to get attention and all this stuff.

And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, you're sore. Like, you need to keep moving. Like, this is all part of the process of getting stronger. And this is something you're gonna come across quite a bit. You're gonna have those days where you don't feel up for it, but you just, you work through it. And this is all part of recognizing, you just did something hard.

You did something that you put a lot effort into and your body now is recovering and you're going through this process. But you can't always avoid that feeling. Like it's not always gonna be, like I'm always awesome and I'm not gonna feel the pain of it. That's why kids have moms by the way.

No, you know what I'm talking about? It goes to get a hug. All you wanted was a hug. Yeah, it's you know, I did not give them that. Yeah, I remember when I go to work with my dad in the summers, I started doing this one, I was like maybe 12. And you know, I'm mixing some man carrying buckets and you know, my hands and so I wasn't used

to this kind of work. My dad grew up doing this kind of stuff. So I get like a blister or a cut and I come to him but I got a big cut and you'd be like, you'd grab the dry powder to make it. Or stick glue in it. Yeah, super glue real quick. You throw some semandas or some sand on it.

Here you go, you're okay now. Like, it burns. It's gonna be two more buckets, please. Do you think both of you, do you think that, you think that's one of the biggest difference about being an older dad? Like when I think about about having future conversations, like what you guys are talking about right now,

I think that the way I would have handled it at 20 something, it would be totally different at 40. I wouldn't have the wisdom to admit that it's hard. Yes, like if my kid came in at like 22, and I'm working out like that, and they came in, they're like, oh my god dad It looks like this is why would you do this and they question me? I got it. Yeah, I'd be like no I love this makes me feel great like I probably I would probably answer something like that

I probably wouldn't have the foresight to go like hey, this is a really Great and at least what I from my perspective of seeing other And at least from my perspective of seeing other dads and older dads and younger dads, I feel like that's one of the biggest things that I notice a difference is like, most of my older dads that are friends of mine have the wisdom to catch all those teaching moments. That at young dad may not, it would just kind of like,

oh yeah, go right over them and they didn't see that as a like, here's a perfect opportunity for you to take a moment to actually use this as a great teaching moment versus just letting it fly by. You hit the nail on the head because what'll happen is if you don't tell your kid that you were scared, that you're tired, that it hurt, that it was hard, then what's gonna happen to them is they're gonna grow up

and they're gonna think something's wrong with them. They're gonna be like, you know, my dad was never scared, but why am I scared? Or my dad, you know, he loved that things were challenge. In fact, he never said it was hard. Everything was easy to him. Why is it so hard for me? And that's the wrong thing.

The right thing is to tell them the truth. Like, when I tell my kids loved for me to tell them stories of when I was growing up, especially stories of when I would growing up, especially stories of when I would get into fights, get into trouble. When I love stories of when I get into trouble. They love it.

So I would tell them the story like the time that I got jumped in eighth grade by a bunch of guys and SNAT, and I remember when I first told my son in my daughter, well my daughter was really young, but my son was like maybe seven, and I'm telling him the story about, and you know it's basically I went into the bathroom and they followed me in their closed doors and I got jumped by like maybe seven, and I'm telling him the story about, and you know, it's basically, I went into the bathroom and they followed me

in their closed doors and I got jumped by like five dudes, and my son's looking at me and then, after I told him the whole story goes, wow, you weren't even scared? I said, I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified, but I had to fight anyway, because if I just sat there scared,

I would have got really hurt. So it's really important, I think, to tell your kids. So she's like, oh, you love it. No, I don't. Actually, this sucks. I said, but I love the discipline. I like the fact that it doesn't matter if I like it or not that I'm gonna do it anyway.

It comes from it, right? Yeah, and you know what, who was at that top? I had a client years ago. It was so valid. One of the things I loved most about training, and sometimes I even felt guilty about it, was I would actually learn more sometimes from my clients than they would learn from me. And I had this woman that I trained years ago.

She was a child psychologist, and I'll never forget this conversation we had. She said, you know, one thing, this is what my son was first born, so he was just an infant. And I was asking her questions, like, what are some tips that you have for me? And she said, don't tell your kid, he's like super smart or super talented. I'm like, huh? She goes, well, what I mean is,

emphasize the hard work and effort, not the talent. And so she said, like, for example, if your kid brings you their test, and they have an A on it, in math. Instead of you're so smart. Yeah, instead of be like, wow, you're so good at math. You know, you're so smart at math, say of like, wow, you're so good at math, you know, you're so smart at math, say, I can tell that you really work hard at this

or I could tell that you studied really hard in order to do this. And I said, why? And she said, because at some point, they're gonna reach a challenge. And if they're constantly taught that they're smart and talented and that things should be easy, they'll reach a challenge and they'll think something's wrong

with them or they'll avoid the challenge because they don't they don't understand They have identified with the fact that they're so smart and talented So I did that at a very young age I would always emphasize the hard work aspect and I swear to God it's paid off like both my kids Very much so when something's really hard and challenging I see them kind of buckle down and work hard I hope I think you gave that. You gave that advice somewhere in the first 100 episodes I think that we ever did.

Probably one of the things that stuck with me the most that I've heard you talk about about being a father. I've never heard anybody else say that before nor have I ever thought of that. Because it's natural, right? Your kid does something really good. You want to tell them they're telling you some. Oh, you're so smart or you're so good.

You want to say that and you think that positive reinforcement is actually a good thing. But you don't think about exactly what you just said. It's inevitable that there's going to be a time when someone is smarter or so and whatever. And you always want to tie it back to their work because they can do more work. They can work harder to achieve those things.

Plus, let's say they are very talented, right? Let's say like my son is very, very talented at math. He's just really, really good at math. It's something that tends to come easy to him. But because I think we've emphasized hard work with him, what he does is he actually tries to go for the harder classes that are gonna push him even more. And it sucks and it's hard, and he'll complain sometimes.

But if I think if it was all about his talent He would have probably stayed in the classes where he felt talented, you know the ones that were easier for him because at some point You're gonna do some math. I don't care how talented you are unless you're you know like a genius of some sort Which you're probably not moat, you know, let's be honest most of our kids are not geniuses. It's super rare So he's but he's gonna reach out for the harder so which that's gonna pay back dividends in life. Sure. Not that doing the easy stuff, you know, so yeah, it was, it's a, I love these opportunities, but sometimes I push it too hard. Yeah, I see my dog roll or eyes.

No, it's recently. Yeah, you're gonna listen. Yeah, exactly. I told you guys about having the whole sex talk and all that. Yeah, but so again, like moving into junior high has been just this accelerated amount of questions come and it's good and this is why you have You know these conversations and you try to be as honest as you can Because then they feel comfortable coming to you to explain what's actually happening Which I never did in my parents right because they didn't want to they didn't want to address

You know these things or like even acknowledge that it was a thing yet. And it's very insightful for us to realize what this environment is like. And so the latest thing is like all these different drugs. Like, he keeps asking me about all these drugs. And you know that it's just like a kid that's just trying to be cool.

And like, I know, I know what Angel Dust is, dude. You know what I'm like, Angel Dust? What are you guys talking about at lunch? You know, it's just crazy to be like, yeah, all drugs. I'm like, that's like an old school. I'm like, I'm talking about masculine, like we're talking about here, yeah.

PCP, you know? So it's weird. Like, it's just strange. I'm like, go and revisiting. I'm like, wait, which one is that? It's, it's for me too, because when I grew up, you know what topics you just didn't talk about? You didn't talk about sex ever,

so I never had a, you know what I had with sex? My dad and his workers would tell me dirty jokes. That's what the, that was the extent of the sex talk. We'd never talked about drugs. Never. There was never, we'd even mention like the words, you know, marijuana or anything like that. It would have caused like my mom to freak out or whatever. So for me, it's so unnatural, but I force it because I know how valuable it can be from my kids to feel comfortable asking me questions. Now Jessica, on the other hand, grew up this way. Her mom was super open, asked me anything, never freak out.

Like that's a big lesson, Jessica taught me. She said, at some point your kids can't react. Yes, she said, they're gonna ask you some crazy shit. And you can't react. Yeah, for else you'll never get again. Yes, you have to act super cool. And she's like this. So my kids know this.

So we'll be at the dinner table and sometimes Conversations pop up and then my son will just ask because we've created that environment, right? So he'll ask a question and they'll ask something like what does LSD feel like? You know, and I'm you know my and Jessica just may have to just answer him and be super frank about certain certain things And it's but it's it creates a good, you know kind of good dialogue Yeah, but my daughter now right because she's turned she's about to turn 12 so now they're doing the whole thing. We bought her I don't know if I said this on the show or not. I think I told you guys off air Jessica bought her this book about Learning about your body and it's perfect for young girls and it's very frank and very open or whatever and so my daughter brought it downstairs

and very open or whatever. And so my daughter brought it downstairs the other day and we're all sitting around and I'm like, okay, I want my daughter to bring this up to me but I also want to motivate her in a way that makes it kind of fun. So I acted a little embarrassed. So I'm like, oh my God, what's in that book and act the kind of whatever?

And so Jessica goes, she goes, Alessia, just open the book to a random page and then have your dad read it. So I'm like, oh my god, I don't want to do that. And my daughter thinks it's hilarious. So she opens it up and hands it to me. And it's literally how to use a tampon. I mean, she was a vagina, she was a tampon, those the whole thing.

And my daughter was like, yeah, read that. Read that, but I'll tell you all about it. And I'm like, doing it, you know what I'm like, man, this is hard for me. Never would my sisters have done this to my dad. My dad would have been like, what the hell's going on? But I like the fact that my daughter, you know, feels open like that. No, it's cool, and it's really cool

when you see, like so in Katrina's family, Katrina's the youngest, and they're all like this. So it's really a neat dynamic when you foster that in a family, and then to see, so I have been, you know, brought into this been brought into this family at my thirties. So they were all raised this way. And so to see the way they all interact at the table. It was weird at first, I bet.

Oh yeah, of course. There's nothing more weird than having your mother-in-law make comments about getting blow jobs from her daughter like at a dinner table and just be like, oh, how do I react to this right now? You know, like that's, it's that open in her family that they would have that in front of everybody and it be no big deal right?

And everybody kind of laugh or joke about it. But it actually is created this really intimate cool bond between all of them that they all trust each other about everything. And if something's going on with one of them, it could be very personal, it could be sexual, it could be drugs, it could be something going on dynamically in the relationship where someone cheated on someone. I mean, you name it, the whole spectrum, and it will get brought into the family.

And there's no judgment, there's no, there's this dialogue back and forth, you've got a collective group of different people that truly care about you, which I think that's so important because what ends up happening with kids and even adults that don't have a circle of trust like this where they can share almost anything, they go seek it in other places.

That's what I do. And then you seek it in other places. And many times those people don't have your best interest. No, even if they're your friends, you think that, but there's this competitive relationship that you have that you don't even know you have with your friends. For their young too. And they don't know about it. They don't have the wisdom or they don't really give a shit

as much as you think they do, or they don't want to see the best thing for you, whereas in a family network like that, it's a lot there. That's what happened to me the first time I drank, like I actually really drank. I was maybe 18, maybe 19, and I mean, I tasted alcohol here and there, but I didn't understand what it felt like to be drunk.

I didn't know how it affected the body. I went with a friend of mine who was right around my same age, and we got into a bar because we got our fake ideas or whatever. We got in there, and we're doing shots at tequila, and of course it starts to hit you, right? And I'm like, oh my God, this feels great. We're having fun, but I had zero experience. I had no idea that it takes a second

for each shot to hit you. So I went way over because you're going, you're going, and the next thing you know, I'm throwing up, and you know, that could have been averted if I had a relationship with my parents where they're like, if you're curious about alcohol, and you wanna try it and see what it's like, do with us, we'll do it first.

And then you can kinda look, because now I never get sick when I drink, except for that time we tested Zbiotic on the video. We pushed it, but I never get sick. It's not her because I know the limits, and so I hope one day when my kids are, if they wanna do anything like that, they come to me first, and then I hope one day when my kids are if they want to do anything like that They come to me first and then I'm like all right. Let me show you you know the right way to do this

What do you what do you think the the main attribute as a father or parent is that you think it's vulnerability? What like what is the attribute that contributes to that ability to have that conversation with your kids and do that? Consistency and stability I think You definitely need to be open. Yeah, I think vulnerability, that's why I said. Yeah, but you have to be, what I mean by consistency and stability is, you have to be there, because they have to know they can depend on you.

Yes, you got to be vulnerable, but are you always there? Actually, I was gonna have to- It's really the consistency part, because as much, you got to be able to do what you say. Yes. And follow through. And so it's like they know that you're consistently

like doing those things that you're telling them to do or like your example of that. Then it's like they're more open to release, you know, that information to you. Yeah, I think consistency is really important, but I really think it's a vulnerability thing that you guys have to, for you to admit that they're working out is hard. Yeah, you admit about drugs.

So that was scary or that was hard this time. You have to be able to first. Not some superhuman or something. Yeah, or even admit like, you know, hey, I don't know, I don't have a lot of experience in that or haven't done that. Yeah. Or I'll open up this book and read about a tampon because I've actually never done that before, but I'm willing to do that.

To me, it's more vulnerability and the ability to do that in front of your children, which is probably really hard for a lot of people. Yeah, that's definitely important. Yeah, it's funny. I was visiting my brother this weekend and he is exactly like I was as a young dad because we were obviously raised by the same parents.

And, you know, I love my mom to death. I love her to death. Great mom, but she was that old school Sicilian mom that literally did everything for her kids. Did everything, like I moved out when I was 19, or no, excuse me, when I was 20, to go invest in a gym. And up until I was 20, my mom made my bed,

washed my clothes, folded my clothes, folded my socks, folded my underwear. If I wanted to lunch, she'd make me lunch. It's like that classic stereotype, right, of the mom that, whatever. So when I first had kids, I didn't, I wasn't involved in that way. So I see my brother doing this, and I can tell that he's like,

oh, I'll play with the kid, kiss him. Uh-oh, give it to mom. You take care of everything. You take care of this. Like at one point, she was telling a story how she was like going to the bathroom. She was peeing. He was playing with the baby.

The baby starts crying. He literally picks the baby up, brings it in the bathroom, hands it to mom. Because, and I know, I was exactly like this. And so I'm gonna have a conversation with him and tell him like, you know, it's funny. When I got divorced and we did the dual custody thing, I all of a sudden had this learning curve

of having to figure out school and lunch and laundry and picking them up into a stuff and it was hard, but then I realized like, when you do those day-to-day things with them, you actually develop a relationship with them, you couldn't have had you not done those things. I didn't realize that. I didn't realize I missed out on all that stuff because I thought that's what my wife did or whatever. Right, right. And so this is a conversation I have. I hope he listens. I hope he understands what I'm saying.

But I mean it's it's all that stuff I think is you know super important. How old were you when you invested in the gym? How old are you? I want to say, was I 21 or 20? You had saved a $100,000 already by that time, didn't you? That's crazy. But I was making a lot of money and I lived at home. And I drove a Volkswagen. I mean, yeah, but still, I mean, a kid to say a $100,000, I was in my late 20s before I saved that kind of money.

So I had a terrible relationship with money in my early 22. But a good thing, but you were talented and you can make it. So I'll send it. Thank God. You know what I say? Yeah, I keep, get back up again. Dude, did you guys see what's making the news right now?

Another, a new study that came out that counters all the decades of, you know, I don't know what you wanna call information that we were hearing from the FDA about dairy fat. Do you hear about this? No. So study came out on dairy fat, and it showed that people who eat more fat from dairy

have lower risks of heart disease. That's completely like the opposite of what they've been pounding is. Complete opposite. Completely the opposite. Complete opposite. Yeah been pounding is complete opposite completely the opposite. Complete opposite. Yeah. Another example. Complete opposite.

That one on the board. And I'm like, when you see stuff like this, like, and you, and then you, you wonder why people are skeptical and don't just jump. Go for it. What the FDA tells them just to go. Okay, go further. What hell, what all that was said and what, what was the, the big difference that they found today, then what we were talking about?

Well, it says researchers tracked dairy fat intake in over 4,060 year olds, and they followed the participants for 16 years and found that older adults with higher blood concentrations of fatty acids from dairy were less likely to have heart disease. Consuming more dairy fat was not linked with an overall increased risk of death, which is, it's not just new information, it's exactly the opposite.

But what we were told forever, we were told that dairy fat was among the worst fat because a lot of it was saturated. I mean, I've heard that in a lot of these documentary, these vegan documentaries as well. I mean, they tack that point hard, so that's getting like uproot a lot of that momentum. I mean, they attack that point hard. So that's going to like uproot a lot

of that momentum. I mean, it's again, a lot of this is propaganda based on everybody's cherry picking to find studies that they can identify, you know, to fit their narrative, but this is just another example. Well, you know, when I hear it, when I hear a study like that, it reminds me of the I hear it when I hear a study like that, it reminds me of the coffee cigarette one, right? So I always take that with a grain of salt. Like, that's a very extensive study. 4,000 some people, 16 years, that's incredible. But right away, the way my brain starts working is like,

okay, are there things that are in common with people that tend to drink dairy on a regular basis? That's a great point. No, I'll make an example that's probably not true in the situation, but like, okay, of those 4,000 people, how many of them work in a farm or a dairy, and maybe their health benefits have more to do with their labor all day long.

They're outside, catching sun, they're doing something labor as for some bacteria. Yeah, versus a soy kid engineer who's sitting at a computer desk under fluorescent lights all day long, the opposite, right? You think that dairy milk is going to kill you. So that would be what I would want to know more detail about. Now, what they try to do with these studies, they try to control for all these things, but of course, it's impossible to be perfect. Now, here's the counter to that. The counter to that is because it's been mainstream media to say that dairy fat is unhealthy and it's been that way for at least two decades if not

longer. It's probably closer to three decades, right? If you figure when they were saying that fat was bad, actually starting the 80s. So we're talking about 30, you know, three to four decades. We've been hammered that dairy fat is bad for you. So I would imagine that the relationship is the opposite, that people who ate more dairy fat anyways didn't care about health because they weren't listening to the mainstream narrative. And so I would imagine that the correlation would be the opposite, where people who ate more dairy fat were less likely to care about their health because they're less likely to listen to mainstream, advice around dairy fat.

So, but I don't know, it's very interesting. Now, there's lots of studies that show that dairy fat is perfectly fine and healthy for you. There were studies that showed- Which I agree with, by the way, I'm just playing devils advocate here. Oh, there was that one study that showed that fat-free milk was worse for you than whole milk.

Because the way it affected insulin and blood sugar and stuff like that. Well, not only that, but you start to pull out all the healthy things that are in it when you start doing that too. Totally, right? Totally. Yeah, I mean, fat, I grew up drinking fat-free garbage milk.

That's like white water. Like what the hell is going on? More cases for cheese, as I'm saying. You see, you see, let's have it in here you guys. Yes, I do. Is that gonna give up on that? I don't know, that's what I got to give up on. Speaking of milk, I've been making the

Organified Gold Juice like pumpkin spice lattes. I've been doing it for my kids. You know I use milk though, do you? I don't, because I can't have dairy. Yeah. So I use, we've been making those too. Have you? But with milk, yeah. With milk? Yeah. Oh, okay, so I don't, because I can't have dairy. Yeah. So I use, yeah, we've been making those too. Have you? But with milk, yeah.

With milk? Yeah. Oh, okay, so I haven't done it with almond milk. Frosting in there, it's so good. I bet it would be good. It's better. Yeah, I tasted a little bit, it's incredible. I do with macadamia nut milk or with almond milk.

That's a, you're more of a macadamia nut milk, right? Yeah, that's my favorite. So you macadamia, I'm almond most of the time. What are you, are you coconut or you? Cause I know you, I'll do almond macadamia or coconut, kind of evenly. But can you use fence? I think you'd like keep all three in your refrigerator, not consistent with one.

No, when I go to the grocery store, we'll grab one or the other. Yeah, but what are you more consistent with? That was a question. Probably almond milk, I would say. Yeah, okay, so that's me too. And you're dairy straight up. You don't even waste your time.

I ain't shugging no nut milk. I'll just tell you that right now. I will have dairy at two have Darryl too, because we have, we have, we have, we have, you know, whole milk in there for, for Max when he has milk. So I'll have it ever occasionally. So I'll still, I'll still have it every now and then.

But I've told you guys before, what I noticed is if I have multiple things of Darry in the day, then it bothers me. I can have it, you know, intermittently, but I can't have it consistently and lots of things. Well, I go on and off with the gold juice, but when I do it at night, I do get better sleep. It's clearly, I get better sleep, and I'm less inflamed. What do you think, what compound in it you think is most benefit? I know it has several

things in it. You said, ratio is in that way. Yeah, turkey tail is in there, which is another mushroom. They're both relaxing. And then it's got the, what's it called, that yellow turmeric turmeric. Thank you, Doug. Yes. And I'm turmeric and curcumin, especially if you take it with a fat and it's absorbed properly. Incredible anti-francide inflammatory. Yeah, especially, man, my body's been getting beat up a bit just, you know just hitting pads with the kids down there. I've been so sorry, I did my joints and everything. So it's been helping.

Do you, when you give your son milk, do you do regular whole homogenized, or do you get the one that separates? We get that raw brand. Where do you find it? I couldn't find it. I think Katrina gets a whole food, don't wanna say it. You get it too, don't you?

You don't have raw milk? It's a brand called raw milk. But it's not actually raw. Don't you remember that it comes with a raw container? Okay, so whole food stops selling raw milk. Oh, so that's not whole food she gets it from? You guys, they sent us some stuff. I brought it up on the show and they sent it over to us.

That brand, I believe it's raw. That's the one I used to do all the time. I liked it. I love it. Yeah, no, it's great. Yeah, because I couldn't find any, so I just went with the non-modularized. Yeah, I believe it's raw. That's the one I used to do all the time. I like this. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, no, it's great. Yeah, because I couldn't find any, so I just went with the non-homogized. Yeah, I have to ask Katrina,

I don't do the grocery shopping. So she gets it from somewhere. I don't think we have to go anywhere special, though I think it's either at Safeway, if it's not at Whole Foods, it's at one of the normal places. Did you know that if you pasteurize milk and you feed it to like calves,

that they end up with nutrient deficiencies and issues. Yeah, because they need to die just of enzymes that come with their red. Digestive enzymes, the bacteria, yeah, all that stuff. And then here's another thing, raw milk from healthy cows, if you leave it out, it doesn't go sour. Yeah, yeah.

It turns into, what does it turn into? Keifer? Yeah, it doesn't go sour though. So it's only the pasteurized shit that goes bad. It looks so well with that. You know, if we had it like in grocery stores, it would look so weird. It almost looks like brown.

It's blue or? Yeah, blueish brown. Like, it has just a weird off-tint. If you were to shake it in a jug, it would like stick on the sides and it's all fried. That's right, you worked and I forgot. Yeah, now I used to be able to taste the difference of like if they got a different patch of like,

like what was it, Napoleon Dynamite where they're like, oh, it tasted the onion and you know, you can taste the difference between, you can tell it tastes the difference between like a jersey and a whole steam cal, like different breeds of cows. I would say yeah, yeah, you can taste like a little bit of difference. I don't think I can.

They look different, those two breeds. Oh my God, they look way different. What's the difference? The brown ones are jersey, the whole stains are black and white. Oh, okay. So jerseys are significantly smaller. That's actually think I can. They look different, those two breeds. Oh my God, they look way different. What's the brown ones? The brown ones are Jersey, the whole stains are black and white. Oh, okay. So, Jersey's are significantly smaller. That's actually what I worked. So, the dairy I worked on was, were Jersey cows,

and they produce. Yo Adam. Hey, hey. I want you to say, I'm like, on average, they're like two, and I correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure somebody will. I think Jersey's do about two to three gallons of milk a day, and a whole stain will do about two to three gallons of milk a day, and a whole steam will do like four to six gallons

of milk a day per cow. So they are quite a bit bigger. And so most people go hosting because hosting cows produce more in turn, probably make more money, but Jersey milk tends to be a little bit richer and people like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder which one is higher in the A2 proteins.

You guys have heard of this? Oh, there's a brand that's called it. Can Bruce, oh, six gallons of 5% butter fat milk each day. Okay. Yeah, the, the, you know, the A, there's a A2. A pair of two, a whole thing, don't worry. Yeah, look at that. They have the proteins called A2 apparently

are supposed to be easier to digest. Isn't there a milk brand called that? Yeah, they like bred the cows to produce primarily that. Oh interesting. Yeah. So what does that say there? They're done nine gallons. Yeah, wow Perzo, I mean, I guess I had the ratio pretty close right but so 96 Yeah, that's that's quite a bit that's a productive cow. Yeah anyway, are you? Have you guys seen the new Star Wars series that came out on Disney?

The anime? Oh, you sent it already and get a chance to check it out yet. Okay, so. And it's all your big anime guy. Well, okay, so I don't mind good anime. I think it could be very interesting. So what they did was, is they had different production studios do animated Star Wars stories.

None of them are canon, so they're all kind of like, Vieroff Star Wars, but they stick to the universe. And you get to see different production companies and different stories and different animation styles. Now, I know you guys, I know you guys is opinions on anime. Most of them are like that, you won't like most of them,

but the first episode is sick. You guys have to watch the first one. Really? Yeah, it's like samurai slash Star Wars and the way that they organize it and depict it. Well, I mean, very stylistic. That's what Luke is pulled from is that whole samurai culture. You know, like you take a lot of that in the helmets and, you know, in the sword fighting

styles and all that kind of stuff. Bro, it's sick. Okay, did you guys ever watch Afro Summary? Did you guys remember that? Did you watch it? That was really cool, yeah. You liked it? Oh yeah, it was cool. Okay, so the first episode is like that.

Okay. Except it's in black and white. I mean, watch those in flux and all that, the really weird, interesting animation. I was into that for a bit. Okay, then you'll like it then. And then Marvel has one that came out called What If, which is, you know, you guys familiar with the watcher? He's like a Marvel character. Anyway, he's like this universal god. I thought the watcher was from DC, no? No, Marvel. And you might, oh, you thinking of the watchman? Oh, yeah, yeah, this isn't.

So the watcher is like this character that observes the universe's, cause there's multiple, and so there's alternate. Bigger than Thanos. Apparently, yes. There's like some, yeah. Like Galactic, what was that one? Another one Galactic, or?

Yeah, I know who you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, in this series, it's actually kind of smart. Each episode is an alternate universe where something else happened. So like one episode is like, what if Thor never had a brother? What if he was an only child?

What does that look like? It's actually a funny one. He's like the spoiled party, like college frat kid who goes to different planets and like wreaks havoc. You guys is wise, get turned on when you guys talk about this. So just had a curiosity. Oh, 100%. It is. It's all wild. So Oh, 100%. Yeah, that's it.

You know, wow, no, like a Sarah desert. That's it. That's it. That's it. Hey, speaking of Sarah desert and dry. So I did you see in our private forum, the, Sean, I forget what last, what Sean's last name is. I know it's Sean. I don't remember his last name, but he did a picture of his before and after, oh there does pull over, shot over.

So he did a picture of his hands before and after using Caldera. I know. How nuts is that? Because I talk about it with my psoriasis and he goes, I don't know if I have psoriasis, what? But he has like this really, really, really dry. So chafed.

Raised, right? And then it went from that to normal. What's the time frame in the picture's dog, does it say? He says there are 10 apart. So I don't know if that's days. Probably 10 weeks. 10 weeks? I don't know. Parts, I don't know.

10 days would be insane if you had that quick, because it takes a little while for me to see a difference with my psoriasis when I'm consistent with it, but that's crazy though, right? The difference. Yeah, you know, it's funny. Of all the partners we were working on. I know, you, we, yeah.

That was the one we were like, um, you know, skin care oil, I mean, how's it going? But if you think of your skin as like the largest organ in your body, that's true. You know, it's kind of one of those things, like, I mean, I just think that it's new as far as men adopting this. Like women have been taking care of their skin forever. And it was, like dudes are like, most dudes are like Justin, we're for the most part. men adopting this. Women have been taking care of their skin forever. And dudes are like, most dudes are like Justin for the most part.

And it's kind of changing. Well, it's just changing. They're starting to market to men that you could use product like this and still take care of your skin just because you're a man doesn't mean you don't need to do this or doesn't help to do this. But it works. Because you're a man doesn't mean you don't have to be radiant. Yeah. Wow. Look at the radiant coming off his face right now, dude. Hey, I'll tell you what.

So amazing though. I want to bring up something that it's interesting, at the say the least. And Sal sent over a text message in the thread. And I have to give you credit because, and I don't know if you did it on air. So that's why I want to give you credit because and I don't know if you did it on air. So that's why I want to give you credit because we definitely talked about it off air many times because I remember when there was a little bit of controversy around mind pump when we didn't jump on the bandwagon of posting black squares when everybody posted a black square right away with the whole BLM movement. And I remember clearly you South saying,

just wait, watch what's gonna happen when they no longer need this group to support their movement or what they're trying to do. They're gonna throw them out or wait when you see this uncontrollable group ends up doing things that is counter or opposite of what they want them to do. And here you have the left to attach themselves to the to their use that whole movement

to probably outstfricken Trump. And now they are coming out and they're protesting again, but guess what they're protesting, right? vaccine mandates. Yeah, they're saying that it's racist. Well, okay, so let's back up for a second. So I have a lot of friends that are like conflicted. Very conflicted right now.

So it's happening in New York and they're threatening ideologies. They're threatening like serious upheaval if New York doesn't lift their vaccine mandate. Now here's their point is that a disproportionate majority of people who choose to not vaccinate are minorities. And so many of these minorities now are excluded from businesses. Not only that, but lockdowns and all these policies disproportionately hammered minority-owned businesses and all that stuff.

So BLM came out and said, if you don't lift these mandates, because the racists, we're gonna have this big deal. So here's a deal with BLM. Now, the sentiment, Black Lives Matter, obviously, is true. Of course, Black Lives Matter. But the group is, it is a Marxist philosophy group. That by the way, there's still people that think

that some sort of a rumor or like. No, it's true. You can literally YouTube that. And there's still people that think that some sort of a rumor or like you can literally YouTube that and there's a video of her saying that one of the three girls that leads that group that says that they are trained Marxists. Yes, they are trained Marxists. And I mean, I saw this early on, Marxism as a philosophy essentially is about valuing the collective over the individual.

So it's about group identity over individual identity. It's about attaching characteristics to a group. If you're this group, then this is your problem. If you're this group, then you're the victim and so on and so forth. But I could see it clearly when all that stuff was happening right during election season that they were quiet, the political party

with certain political party very quiet or outwardly supporting them because it helped them politically. It was very expedient. And I knew you are feeding a monster. And at some point this monster's gonna come and it's gonna turn on you. And it is.

So now what are they gonna do? Like how do you turn on a group that you made look so virtuous and so good that now is saying vaccine mandates, which you support so wholeheartedly are racist. Very interesting. And this is by the way, it's like Paul, this is a major, major push right now. I mean, that is the every single conversation leads in that direction because it's so important.

By the way, you all made your bed. Now you got to sleep in it. Oh man. And by the way, I agree with BLM, not that they're racist, but that the vaccine mandates should be lifted. And I do wanna clarify, people, they, we talk a lot about freedom and liberty and people are like, well, you're not free

to get other people sick and I get that. That's because people have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be free. So there's two sides of this. One is you are free to choose what you put in your body. And nobody should be able to force you to do otherwise. On the other end of that, a business owner is free to say, you can't come into my business.

And this is all jives, this is all consistent with liberty. Now what isn't consistent with liberty is when the government comes who has the power to legislate fine and jail and all that stuff and says, hey, you groups of people that want to voluntarily meet with each other, you can't do that unless this person does this thing

and sorry, you can't let them in otherwise, that's anti-freedom. Now, people may say, well, what about everybody else who's at greater risk because of unvaccinated people? You are free to put yourself at risk or not, and you are free to go to businesses that say vaccinated only or avoid businesses that allow people who are unvaccinated. So the freedom and liberties on you. You do everything online at home. Yeah, but the liberty is on you.

That's all consistent. So what sucks is that you have people on either side like the people are saying, well, businesses can't say that they can't let me in. That's not freedom. Actually it is. They own their business. They can say what the hell they want

if they don't want to serve you to, then that's up to them. And then the other side's like, oh, well, they should be forced if they're gonna, no, that's also. So what's your theory on what's gonna happen? How is this gonna unfold? Do you think that, I mean, mine is that you're gonna see

the left condemn BLM now, right? So they were supporting them and helping, it is, but I think if BLM continues to push this, okay? New York first, then California will probably be next. And if you start seeing more and more cities jump on the mandate, then I would imagine you're going to see BLAM continue to rise up on this and try and make a statement. And so it will force, I think, the left to have to come out and say something. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Or do you think I just ignore them? Well, I think that's probably this, probably the smartest bet, is it just pretend like it doesn't exist. Yeah, because I, okay, so I try to think of this politically. What would I do? Like, if I was a political strategist, how in the hell would I... Yeah, ignore. You'd have to just ignore.

Yeah, how would I counter that? Now, I know what I would do if I was on the opposite team. On a way from interviews, like we've seen everything else so far. Well, yeah, I know what I would do if I was on the other side as I would be like, this is hilarious and I would say, in fact, some points are true, you know? A big percent. You are shutting down a lot of minorities

from going into businesses, isn't that strange? You know, kind of play that same game, but I don't know, man, I don't know what they do, but this is a monster that they help grow. I mean, that's how my friends are handling it. All my friends that were all supportive on that side that I'm messaging some of that, that I just crickets, you know what I'm saying,

because nobody knows what to say back to it because they were like, by the way, you know, I don't blame people for being skeptical, especially minorities. I don't blame them. There's a history of minorities being injected with shit that made them sick, that they were told, wouldn't. I mean, you look up the Tuskegee experiments.

I was a wonderful example. For example. So I don't blame minorities being like, I'm gonna hold off, or I don't know if I trust, you know, what's going on. I don't blame them. That's saying that they're right. Just saying, I don't blame them.

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to build muscle, you have to be in at least somewhat of a surplus. So that's not entirely correct, but I do get a lot of questions about this. It's like, you know, some prisons don't even have equipment. They're eating, you know, top ramen and tuna fish. Like, how are they able to build so much muscle and whatever? And the number one reason is frequency

and the second reason is consistency. They work out often and they work out a lot. That's not it either. There's also still this misconception of what people, what Jack does. And we've talked about this in the show. All of us have. Talked about when I got lean,

or when any of us got really lean, I got more Jack'd, you look huge compliments than ever. So when you lean somebody out, we all, even someone who doesn't work out has got muscle. They have shoulders, they've got pecs, they've got a back, they've got legs. They've only got a six got pecs, they've got a back, they've got legs. They've only got a six pack. They've got all the, they have those muscles.

If you peel down all the body fat, they look jacked. They'll look like they built a bunch of muscles. So there's a couple of things going on here. So it isn't always, you rarely see a guy go into prison, okay, at 185 and he comes out at 215 and jacked. And that's also to say too, I bet some of them get stuff. Yeah.

And they found ways to get all other drugs. I wouldn't be surprised if they found ways to get D-Ball inside there. Yeah. For getting things on the outside. But I think it's probably even shifted. I think that might have been the case, like, you know, decade or so back when,

you know, they did allow, didn't been the case like, you know, decade or so back when, you know, they did allow, didn't they allow like weights and, you know, and they're able to actually like, you know, have actual plates and everything. Yeah. So, but they removed that from a lot of the prisons because not even all of them though, just California. Yeah, I would say not all prisons are like that. So, one of the biggest, I think, stupidest things they ever did, I think exercise is a great way

to reduce depression, anxiety, of course, improve, could mood. It's a very positive way to build self-esteem, give you some a little bit of purpose, and it's an effective tool to take away if somebody messes up. So I think that was very dumb, but here's the thing. So I had a couple of people work for me in the past

who served some time. And we actually talked about this. And they said, you know, they said, you work out all day. Like you wake up in the morning and you do push ups, pull ups, sit ups. And self-preservation too. There's extra motivation there.

It's like you break up your day with like three different workouts. It's not like they go and work out for an hour, you know, three days a week. What else are you gonna do? And literally one of my employees told me this, he goes, you work out and you read or you lose your mind. So what I did all day was I worked out three times a day

and I read all the time. I read more books in prison than I'll ever read in the rest of my life, but that frequency and that frequent practice and that consistency, especially when you're, you, especially when you're, you know, when you're, when you're dogged about it, right? It's like, I mean, here for five years, you know, every day looks exactly the same.

What am I gonna do? A lot of these guys, this is how they maintain sanity. And if you practice exercises three times a day, every single day consistently, and you don't overdo it, and you're super consistent about it, you will build strength and muscle, you just will. And there's also the potential, I mean, we're speculating on what everybody does in prison,

and the reality is there's probably lots of different examples. There's probably an example of somebody who smuggles extra calories in there, and so that's why he gets bigger. There's maybe somebody who actually never worked out till they went to prison, and now they have those newbie gains where anything they do, they're going to start to build a little bit of muscle regardless of their calorie intake. So the guy who is doing three

days a week or three times a day every day training. So his frequency is up there. So there's lots of reasons why this could be. And then there's the other one where they could be getting drugs too. There's a very good chance that some of them are taking steroids in there. So, you'd have to give me the exact person and then be able to assess what I think from that. So, all those though are major factors. I mean, all those things can result in someone building in incredible physique. I don't think it's a one size fits all.

This is what they're all doing in prison. It's like, well, there's probably this potentially going on. This could potentially go on. Oh, I mean, how do you know they're not smuggling more food, too? That's what we said. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I said that as a possible variable. Like, do you better believe some people are getting calories?

Sometimes they're traded. Yeah. So they'll play games and then cigarettes or packets of tuna. Yeah. Really popular in prison. Progy, how are you? They're not going to surplus is kind of like, it's just, yes. And I would make the argument that most of these,

the guys that we're talking about, and or girls that get jacked, the definition of jacked is, is, but showing more muscle definition, you know? And so a lot of them probably just lean out, and a lot of them probably lean out, because they're eating low calorie, only three meals a day,

and moving and exercising all day. Well, one of the guys that I, again, one of my employees, they would be locked down for a majority of the day. So a majority of the day, you were stuck in your cell and then they would let each person out for like an hour or two a day. And literally that's what he said. He goes, the way you keep your sanity

is you break up your day with exercises and I'm like, in your cell and he goes, oh yeah, you do pull-ups on the top-bomb. You do push-ups. You do push-ups, you do handstand push-ups, you do sit-ups, you do lunges, you do all kinds of creative exercises just to kind of maintain your sanity.

And you get really good at doing, you've ever seen barmen, you've ever seen guys that are really good on bars. Okay, some of these guys in prison on bars are like gymnasts because for years, this is what they practice every single day and they develop tremendous skill. I feel like what prompted this question is the episode that we did not that long ago.

Because we got some stuff on YouTube where a couple of people that saw the clip, it sort of debating. Practicing pushups. No, no, no, we talked about how you don't, if you're in order to build muscle, you need to be in a calorie surplus. Oh, I see.

And we got debate on YouTube a little bit from it. So I think that, I feel like that's where this is coming from, because that was just recently, like a week ago, that's been like the one of the most recent contested things that we've said. And of course, everybody takes one piece of that and they try and run with it. It's like, there's always exceptions to the rule.

The exception to the rule is somebody who hasn't lifted weights ever or hasn't in a very long time and even in a calorie deficit, that person could potentially build some muscle. Also, I do want to make this point, like never underestimate the ingenuity of people when they have nothing else to do. I mean, you have in prison, you have a bit of a self-selection bias, supposedly not the smartest, brightest people, right? Go to prison. And yet, if you ever learn about the economics and the ingenuity in the communication that they have.

In prison, it would blow your damn mind. I mean, they have ways of communicating through the toilets where they can go through the pipes, where they can make their own alcohol. They make tattoo guns. They can make all kinds of different devices and ways of listening and communicate with each other and ways of smuggle things and you can make out their own languages so you can write and code and do stuff.

Now, why? They're locked in a cell, they have nothing else to do. And so they just, they're just discipline. I focus on something else. Yeah, so imagine that with exercise or learning. And how many people go to prison, come out with a degree, or even a master's degree, because they had nothing else. I've read stories of people who actually

built their cases and then defended themselves or appealed their cases themselves. And they became lawyers. They used to use themselves law. Yeah, so never underestimate what people are capable of when they have no other choice. Next question is from Christian Lynch, 10804. What are some good glue exercises to add to my leg day

to give me a dump truck? Don't dump truck. That we don't already have in all of our programming or that I mean, because we're doing this. Well, here I will look at this. Yeah, let's do some of the best butt exercises. Hip thrusts are really good. Barbell squats are really good.

Deadlifts are really good. Single leg. Deadlifts. Split squats. Yeah, really good. T. Barbell squats are really good. Deadlifts are really good. Single leg deadlifts split squats. Yeah, really good. You know, you know, deadlifts. Yeah, I like, I tell you, you know, I've been doing hip thrust now a little bit more consistently and man, it really, you're a big hip thrust guy. Yeah, it really pumps my glutes up like crazy. Well, I'll take the power version of that with like a heavy kettlebell swing as well.

You know, you can get creative with that, but yeah, it's varying it to make sure that you're getting exposure to a lot of different stimulus. I also think we should highlight what's wrong with this question though. It's not that simple of that. It's not right to call it a dumb truck. It wasn't no, that's not what I mean by this.

It may also not be that you're missing something in your exercise routine is as why you're not building a butt. I mean, if you're struggling with that and you're trying a lot of the movements we already did, it may not be like, oh, you're missing the exercise that is going to be a game changer for you. There could be something wrong.

You may have a poor connection to your glutes. That's more common than not. More often than not, I have clients that are just quad dominant because we are everything so forward on us that when they go to do a lot of these movements that the quads are involved with, the quads take over the movement. That's really, really common.

So we just listed off a bunch. Now, there's a few of them in there that do a better job, hip thrust, being one of them, good mornings that tend to isolate the posterior chain better, but a lot of some of your best butt exercises, there's still some quad in it. And if you are a quad dominant person and you do a ton of these exercises, the quads are going to take over the movement and you're not going to build the glutes very much. Yeah.

In fact, I had a conversation with Doug about this this morning because he was talking about how he's glute dominant. So he's the opposite, he's trying to develop his quads. So he's starting his leg workouts with like quad dominant knee extension kind of based exercises. And then saving the glute stuff for the end. If you're quad dominant, you do the opposite. There's no rule that says you can't start your workout with hip thrusts and with good mornings

and then move over to the other exercises like squat. You could totally do that and you'll get more development and I diglutes that way. Well, this is where I have value or find value in those movements that I think we make fun of all the time when you see someone doing the little, what do they call, donkey kicks or whatever or fire hydrants in these little body weight leg exercises

to isolate the glutes. Well, if that is your reasoning, like if that, if like Doug has, there's lots of value to Doug doing that, or excuse me, not Doug, because Doug's glute dominant. Somebody who's not glute dominant, that's quad dominant, coming in doing these little isolation exercises to feel in their butt and to get a little pump in there

and then go do it ahead of time. Yeah, didn't go do squats, then go do deadlifts. That makes a lot of sense to do that. Not to fatigue the glutes in that type of a movement, but to get better activation in a pump there before you go do the big lifts. Next question is from, I am your man's six, six, six wet dream. Wow.

Wow. It's a job. It's a bold name. That's confident. Yeah. What do you think about bench pressing with feet off the floor? I would say dumb until South started telling people to do it.

No. No. No. You do not, no, do not. Bench press. I'm not a fan of this. With your feet off the floor, unless you're going to do a what's called a guillotine press variation,

in which case you have to have good shoulder mobility mobility, good stability, it's an advanced exercise. And there's a reason for that. It brings the chest down, elbows flare out, you get more upper chest activation. If you're bench pressing, like a traditional bench press, and you take your feet off the floor, you're not bench pressing anymore. You've created a brand new exercise, and it's not a good idea. Your stability comes from your lower body when you're bench pressing, taking the feet off the floor.

You know why that started, by the way, back in the day? I know, I did it back in the day. Well, the reason why it started was because guys would cheat when they bench. They push their butt up off the bench so people would take your feet off the floor. Now you can't cheat all of a sudden. Well, okay, just don't push your butt off the bench and you're okay. So that's not why I did it.

When I was a trainer and I, it will admit this, I taught this, it was terrible. It was in the height of the core movement, you know. It was all about corporate the core. Yes, so that was it was that, okay, we're doing bench press and I was all about, you know, incorporating more core work into all my other movements. And so any time that I can challenge instability

in an exercise in my eyes as a trainer back then, it was a superior movement. We're not only working the chest, but now we're challenging that core. And I have said this pitch that the, you have two, the most important muscle in your body is your heart, without it, you're dead. The next most important muscle is your core.

So everything is about the core and trying to challenge that in every movement. So the thought process for me stemmed from that early on as a trainer pushing the core all the time. It's a terrible idea. I remember when you brought up on the podcast talking about the guillotine press and I'm like, oh God, Sal, if you share this now, we're going to have people going and doing this and most people doing it, just they have no business doing it. There's no reason for you to try and do that movement. Super novelty exercise. Yeah and you got you need to have been trained for a very very long time like so understand biomechanics we will got great form and have already done all the other exercises that are

superior to that movement before playing with it. If you're an advanced lifter you get all that by all means have fun you know and there's lots of exercises you can play with, but I would never teach a client today putting your feet up on the bench because of the simple fact of what you just said. You put your feet up and it flattens the back. When it flattens the back, it also naturally starts to attract people's shoulders forward, which everybody,

you lose all your ground forces. Yeah, I mean that's for lifting for power and somebody that that makes sense But I'm talking about just for you and just a louder signal like like if it's a true compound lift You know you got incorporate your whole body sure sure But I that's not even the number one reason why most people don't feel it in their chest when they press is has nothing to do with their feet It has everything to do with their their shoulders and with it. Yeah Almost every client that I ever did a bench press with, at least 80% of them did not fill

it in their chest when we first started doing it. They fill it in their shoulders and their arms. Right. And that is because they do not know how to retract, depress the shoulders, keep them in that position while they bench press in order to add. Or to do a machine, I guess is my point. Like if that's your focus, like go do a machine press. Like the beauty of it is that, you know, you're going to incorporate. Like if that's your focus, like go do a machine press, like the beauty of it is that,

you're gonna incorporate your legs and that's gonna be a big part of like amplifying that signal. So now I can actually load, substantially more weight because I'm incorporating the fact that my entire core and my legs are driving in implementing that into the press. So it's a lot more going on than it just looks like I'm pressing this weight off my chest.

You're actually making the bench press less effective when you take your feet off the floor. Unless, again, you're doing a variation, a specific novelty, very strange variation, in which case you really need to know what you're doing, but otherwise it just makes the bench press less effective. So you take your feet up, okay, you've reduced the effectiveness of a great exercise, you know, congratulations. That's basically what you've done. Well, yeah, then it becomes like I was doing, which was not a good idea. It now becomes a better core exercise and it becomes a better exercise. So that, I mean, and that was the

thought process for me, which was silly and not a good idea. But I really do that. Just press on a physical ball. Yeah. I mean, I think Justin's point is right, but I don't think that's the main argument to make here. The main argument to make is that most people have a hard time using their chests when they bench press, taking your feet up on the ground is only going to make that hard. It's not going to make it easier.

It's not going to make it easier. It's not going to make that heart. It's not going to make it easier if you make it more effective. Next question is from Nikki the Visla. How did you guys get connected to start mind pump? Yeah, you know, you never would get, you know, it would tell you, you know, I would not talk about the story a long time. You never would tell you used to say all the time every single time.

Swipe right? Yeah, the tender. Oh, yeah. I missed that. That was like, yeah, I was like, for, I remember, I think Doug finally said something, okay, I think you should tell that story different because you share that every time. That's not what happened. I want to bring like, yeah, I was like, I remember, I think Doug Fully said something. I think you should tell that story different because you share that every time.

That's not what happened. I would bring it back though because you hadn't said it in such a long time. That's when we didn't see each other on Grindr or whatever. No, I picked this question because we haven't talked about a long time. We have a large new audience, especially on YouTube that kind of,

they asked this question quite a bit in the comments. It kind of goes way back, but it really started because back in the day, I managed gyms. I worked for a very large fitness company, probably considered a high performer. And you would always hear about other high performers in the company. It was a large company.

This was 24-feet fitness. And in those days, the company had like three or 400 locations. And you knew about the other high performers by name, the people that you would, you know, that would be mentioned. And I would occasionally hear Adam's name being brought up. He was a fitness manager and he was one of the top ones in the company. You were also in the same, not district, but the same region. And so I'd hear your name pop up here, but that was about it, nothing else. But then as the years went on, it was very strange.

I would have people come up to me who knew Adam, and I remember the first time this happened, actually happened with a trainer that worked for me, named as Amber, you know she is, and she comes up to me and she goes, have you ever met Adam Schaeffer? I'm like, no, I think I know who he is, I think I've heard of him.

Oh, you guys need to work together. You guys should meet. You guys, oh my God, you guys will work great together. It was a weird thing to say because, you know, I never knew him, but I said, okay, well anyway, this happened maybe five more times with five other people. Happened with Jason, happened with Larry, and a couple other random people.

So his name stuck in my head because of that. It's a very strange thing to hear from anybody Oh, you got to meet this person you guys should work together very strange, right? So anyway fast forward Years later I had my private personal training kind of health and wellness studio and At the time I was really doing lots of research into the medicinal effects of marijuana. I had a family member That had cancer and I was trying to help them and help alleviate some of the issues

with the chemotherapy and that kind of stuff. And on Facebook, I saw that Adam was on there and this is when Adam, you had the cannabis clubs. And so I've been like, oh, let me ask him some questions. I was doing lots of research. So I messaged him through messenger on Facebook. I don't even know if it was messenger back then,

but I messaged him. And then him and I talked about marijuana, strains and cannabinoids and stuff like that. And, you know, and I thought that was kind of cool. Like, oh, we have kind of similar background, but. That was rare back then too, by the way. That's, I think it's a point you know. Nobody in fitness.

Yeah, that was, you were the first person that I met that I respected in the fitness space that I thought was very intelligent and then also was kind of pro cannabis. It was kind of taboo in our space. Yeah, and that was it, right? That's kind of ended there. And then I met Doug and Doug actually came into my gym

and hired me as his trainer. And long story short, he had back problems, was referred to me by a chiropractor. And I trained him, and I trained Doug. Doug was not inexperienced. Doug was actually very experienced, very knowledgeable, probably one of the most knowledgeable clients I'd ever worked with in fitness,

because it'd been a passion for him since he was a kid. But I flipped a lot of what he had known on a TED. And he came to me and I said, I'm only gonna train you twice a week. That's all we're gonna do. Let's start with that. And I remember your reaction was like, just twice a week. Like, do you do more to build muscle?

I said, no, no, let's start with that. We're gonna do full body. We're gonna focus on these basic exercises. We're not gonna train to failure. All the stuff we talk about on the podcast. And as I was training Doug, his body was, and Doug literally thought he was a hard gainer. He's like, I am a hard gainer. I don't build muscle. Well, if you know Doug now you know he's not a hard gainer. You know he's got, he's a really strong guy and he responded

very well and he came to me probably six months or a year into this and he came to me once and he goes, you know what, Sally goes, if you ever have something that you want to try to sell online, let me know because I could put it together for you. I think it would work really well. I like the way you present things and you communicate fitness. And that stuck with me. And I thought, God, you know, I've always wanted to write a book.

That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to write a book. But I went home and thought about it. And one day I was up late and I'm reading these studies and I, this is when I created Maps and a Ballack. And I bring it to Doug and I said, this is the program I think I wanna sell, but I wanna test it on people. I'm gonna test some of these theories on you,

on other clients, I'm gonna send it to other trainers. Doug took it and created this online platform and he talked me into doing instructional videos know, instructional videos, which I had no intention of ever doing. I never had been in front of a camera doing that stuff. So I did it and we did this huge sales video and this, all the stuff and we had all the stuff together and I said, I want more opinions on what we're doing. And then I remembered Adam said, you know what? Adam, people have been telling me to work with him forever. He's obviously a high performer, smart guy. He's in fitness.

And he definitely came across as very blunt and honest back then, which was a very accurate, you know, just to say assessment that hasn't changed. Yeah, I know. And so I figured if it sucked, he would tell me. And I appreciate that. So I sent it to him and then Adam called me on the phone and then invited me to his house.

And then we all sat down and met and literally that's how mine pump started. We all sat down and met and from the gates literally as soon as we sat down it was non-stop conversation about the fitness industry, the best direction of it, all the crap that's in it, how we communicate fitness and health, you know, why we would want to do podcasting because there were low barriers to enter and nobody would tell us what to do. We didn't have to sell a product just to, you know, mention what we wanted. We could say whatever we wanted. And so literally that's how we started.

And then I remember telling him, you know, Doug, my partner, he's got recording equipment because this was a hobby of dogs. I think we could do this and we literally started it, I think like the next week. And the first is the next week and that dog said, hey, I've got the stuff, we could just try it and see what happens. And we started it in your house, literally recorded it.

And I think it was at the kitchen table or the counter and Doug put up the camera and that was the first mine pump episode and that was it. Well, you know, one memory that comes to mind was when we launched the podcast, I think we dropped, how many episodes did we drop it first? Was it five or at least three? Was it three, is it like that?

We dropped the episodes, I'm training my clients. Remember all of us had our day jobs or whatever. And I'll never forget, I had my phone in my pocket and it's just buzzing like crazy. And I look at my phone and it's Adam and I put him to voicemail, put it back in my pocket. It starts buzzing again, pull it out. It's Adam again, voicemail. This happened like three or four times.

I'm with a client, like, shit man. So I tell my client, hold on one second, I gotta get this call. It's obviously important. I go outside and Adam's like, bro, go to iTunes right now. I'm like, okay, and he goes, check new and notable. So I go to the section and we were right there and listed as a new and notable. And I was like, oh shit, I think we have something. So it was a really, really good time with that.

But, you know, with that. One more cool thing to add, I think that it's unique to the four-way partnership is that, you know, Justin, I think God, I don't even remember what year it was. Justin, maybe, oh six. When did you go out of your way from college? Yeah, somewhere around there. Yeah, so Justin, I got him fresh out of college with his kines to come work for me as a trainer.

And we just, we connected so well because we are actually really different. Like he had a lot of success as a trainer for the opposite reasons that I did. I would say that the areas that I was weaker in as a trainer, I opposite reasons that I did. I would say that the areas that I was weaker in as a trainer, I found those were his strengths. And so we made just a really good team together. And he quickly became my right-hand man, an assistant at the clubs. I transferred to another club and took him with me. And we went on to do some really great things in those places. And then we went our separate ways. He left the company, went on to do his own thing privately, and I went on to marijuana to do my own thing. But

always remained in contact, just checking up on each other, and he was always like, wanting to do something with me. He's like, come on, we should do this. And I'm like, I'm digging this marijuana. I'm going back into fitness. Yeah. I knew I would. It's something. Yeah, he was always coming down and pitching me on the new idea that he wanted to do. And I'd say, yeah, I like that. Just a little closer. Yeah, he would always be showing up and telling me this stuff.

Well, we used to crush, I mean, the environment was nothing like I'd ever been in in terms of having a job. It was like just constant fun. But I mean, we put numbers out there that like the company hadn't seen. And it was just like the culture that was created and just working with Adam was always like, really super fun. And it was like, but we got after it.

And it was, it was, it was remnant of when I was on a really, you know, a championship team. It was very similar to that. I had that same dynamic. And so I guess that, I think I just always wanted to, you know, bring that back and figure out a way that we could like, you know, resurface that somehow. So I was just like, Adam, what are you doing? You know, we're going to get back to this or what, you know? And ironically, we eventually did, right? But what, you know, what ended up happening was I about two two and a half years or so somewhere around their give or take

I got I got tired of marijuana and I've shared this story before where I Had reached this this financial goal that I always had and I was actually really unhappy. I just I had deep pockets, but I had Relationships falling apart the girl I was dating had just cheated on me which had never happened to me before relationships falling apart, the girl I was dating had just cheated on me, which had never happened to me before. My relationship with my family was in disarray, I was in the worst shape of my life, so I was really like unhappy. I didn't like, I no longer liked what I was doing and I missed fitness and at that same time, Justin had this like fitness app idea and I had been kind of toying around with something similar that I wanted to do.

And so he would always be hitting with these ideas. I was like, you know what, let's go have coffee. I want to talk about some things. And so when we first met up, I was like, I was in a position at that time to be able to kind of financially support our idea. And I was like, all right, you kind of run this. I'll be the finances behind this.

And let's see what we could do. So we started with the intention of building an app and then my goal was, Justin was going to build all the technical stuff and then I was to go get the audience. And so I instantly turned on YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram, like the next day up into that point. I didn't have any of those. And the sole intention of starting all those platforms up were to gain an audience to build an audience of people So we had people to potentially sell this app to yeah, and that was really and we were in the thick of that when you guys had already built maps and when we all got together

So it just seemed like great center to eat and you create the crazy part about this We all went into business each other without even laying out who was gonna get what money, if Sal and Doug sold this program through Maps, would it be our money too, or your money, or if we sold this app, would it be our money, or it was a lot of respect. Yeah, it's irony is what we were actually doing back then,

we still do on a lot of levels too. So there's a whole page devoted to exercises and descriptions and we're creating all that stuff that you've seen in our maps programs. Now, Sal had come up with the concepts that were very unique that people haven't focused on the real main things that get you success. And so it was like, oh yeah, you figured that part out. And it's like it just became this, you know, total synergistic contribution. I like Justin, obviously right away, he's very likeable, but I know I had to win him over.

I think early on, early on, he's like, who's this flashy? I'm a tough, I'm a tough one. I'm a tough one. Like, especially if you got, you got verbal skills like you do. Yeah, that's, I actually like to do more for that. Because I know that you, verbal skills like you do. Yeah, that's actually liked you more for that. Because I know that you, that's who you are. You're gonna be who you are and if somebody has to win you over.

Which was, it was a really interesting dynamic to see four serial entrepreneurs, all leaders in their own right, come together and with no real real organization or business plan be able to come together on something and then it just I mean that's why I'm the one or we all do believe this way right I just believe some things were meant to be and you know they're I think we broke all the rules as far as how you start a business I don't think we did anything you the way you're supposed to it was one, at least for me specifically,

I've said this before, I haven't said in a while, but for me, that was really pivotal. And it was when we had another partner when we first started Mind Pump, that we were gonna do this with. And we recorded, I don't know, 12 episodes, filmed them, edited them. Remember, we were new with this,

so this was like a big deal, it was hard work. We had this nice backlog or bank, I should say, of episodes ready to launch and this partner of ours who had the largest social media following, by the way. Adam had a small following at the time. I think he had like 20,000 followers. Not even, he was like 10 back then.

Yeah, and this other person had something like, I don't remember what it was, 100 or 70 or something like that. So we were relying on this person's social media following. And he comes out and he was sponsored by a supplement company. And I think he sent some of the episodes to the supplement company. And because we were so honest and raw, whatever, they said, I don't think it's a good idea. That you work with these guys. And so he dropped out. He dropped out through text, hey guys can't do this. We had to scrap 12 episodes and I remember, I just literally remember the day.

I had my phone in my hand fully prepared to get on the phone and motivate Adam, Justin, and Doug to continue with Mind Pump. Because I thought for sure they'd want to stop. And I'm like, no, I got to get them motivated. And I get on the phone and before I could say anything, it was to stop. And I'm like, no, I gotta get them motivated. And I get on the phone, and before I could say anything, it was either Adam or Justin that was like, fuck it, we're gonna make new episodes and do it ourselves.

And I remember hearing, before I could even get a word out, and it gives me the chills because I was like, oh shit, this is gonna be good. These guys are the guys that I think I wanna work with, and this gonna be pretty awesome. And there's a bit more stuff that's happened since then. Yeah, but to that point, it's a real force. That is probably...

It's the root of it all, yeah. Because when you think of, when I explain this to people, like, there was no doubt that none of us, none of us thought we were good at this. Like nobody was like, nobody was like, oh, I'm so good. Like we're gonna be great. And it was like, the thing that we all had in common

and that we had built in all of our previous years of experience in building other businesses was that, we're probably gonna suck. We're probably gonna fail a lot. And you know what, like, let's just outwork everybody. Let's do it a lot. Let's do it a lot. And let's get back up.

And so when back then, it was advised you do like one episode a week and start slow and we came out the gauges. Let's see how much we can put out there because we knew that the reps were where this is where we were going to get better. Like we knew we were terrible and we, but we would, we could get better if we just poured everything into this and just kept going and kept going. Really, that's a testament to how this thing was built was by no means do I think that any of us were talented in this arena at all, but we knew that.

We were very well aware of that going on. Yeah, we were all willing to just be sucky for a while. That's the key right there. We less suck now. Yeah. Look, if you like this show, if you like our content, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our guides. We have guides that can help you build muscle or burn body fat, improve your fitness and

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