Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1654: Ways to Kickstart Glute & Hamstring Muscle Development, Maximizing Muscle Gains on a Low Protein Diet, What to Do If You Seem Unable to Build Muscle & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: October 2, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions via Zoom. How there is a bit of permanence when it comes to resistance training. (4:27) Dad life with the guys. (11:23) Can young blood rejuvenate the old? (15:13) The 411 on vampire bats. (17:39) Strange News with Sal. (20:18) The MANY factors that go into running a successful company. (23:26) The criteria of what your future robot should do. (29:43) Sal, the supplement king. (32:09) The potential game-changing benefits of having your hormones checked. (34:32) The benefits of red light therapy on the body. (37:08) #Quah question #1 – How can I maintain my gymnastic abilities while trying to build muscle? (41:47) #Quah question #2 – How can I gauge changes in my workout programming before I move on? (53:48) #Quah question #3 – Is it possible to build muscle when you’re on a diet with restricted protein intake? (1:05:58) #Quah question #4 – How can I increase my calories and build muscle, while maintaining my gut health? (1:15:06) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] October Promotion: MAPS Anabolic and NO BS 6-Pack Formula - Get Both for $59.99!   Has the fountain of youth been in our blood all along? Grimes Jokes That She's Starting a “Lesbian Space Commune” on Jupiter After Elon Musk Breakup Fish are getting high from drugs in people’s pee in rivers near Glastonbury Festival CEO who gave employees $70K minimum wage says revenue tripled 6 years later Amazon announces "Astro," it's long-awaited home assistant robot More Plates More Dates – YouTube MP Hormones Mind Pump #1607: How To Optimize Your Hormones With Dr. Rand McClain Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Red Light Therapy Partner of San Francisco 49ers | Joovv Visit Oli Pop for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “mindpump” at checkout for 15% off your first order** Mind Pump x NCI Mentorship Coaching Stop Working Out And Start Practicing – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Strong | MAPS Fitness Products - Mind Pump Media How Phasing Your Workouts Leads to Consistent Plateau Free Workouts – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1612: Everything You Need To Know About Sets, Reps & Rest Periods Mind Pump #940: How To Avoid Training Plateaus The Secret To A Great Butt Guide How To Build A Bigger Butt – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1220: The 4 Best Sources Of Protein Mind Pump #1587: Getting To Root Cause Of Low Energy, Skin Issues And A Poor Libido With Dr. Stephen Cabral Mind Pump #1215: Dr. Becky Campbell On Thyroid Disease, Autoimmune Disease & Histamine Intolerance Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned More Plates More Dates (@moreplatesmoredates)  Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral)  Instagram Dr. Becky Campbell (@drbeckycampbell)  Instagram

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to live at mimepumpmedia.com. They're a lot of fun. Now, we opened the episode with a 37-minute intro where we talked about current events. We bring up scientific studies and we talked about one of our sponsors. After that, we got to the live questions. So we opened up by talking about Adam looking pretty fit. Now, he denies it, but you guys will see the pictures. He looks pretty damn good.

Then we talked about our kids and kind of what they're up to, a lot of fun conversation there, which led me to talking about an article that was published by popular science, talking about young blood rejuvenating older people. Yes, those conspiracy theories might be true. Why are we promoting this? What the hell? Doug was right all along. Then we talked about vampire bats,

Scary actually looked at some pictures of the biggest bats in the world. Looks like a person in a costume. Yeah Then we talked about Elon Musk's ex-girlfriend looks like she wants to start a lesbian colony on Europa, one of the moons up in the space there. Try sneak it in there. We'll be going there. Then we do, then I talk about an article talking about how at a particular festival in the UK, people did so many drugs that their P killed the wildlife around them. Wow. Yeah, literally the P had drugs and so much drugs in it

that sounds like a good time. Yeah, wild. Then we talked about a company that changed their policy on payments, actually made the minimum wage $70,000 a year and they're succeeding. Is that why we like to speculate? Then I brought up how I was right, again, I know, kind of boring.

Listen to the episode to find out what happened there. Then we talked about mphoromones.com. So great place you can go, you can get a consultation to talk about hormone balancing or if you qualify for testosterone replacement therapy or hormone replacement therapy. By the way, this is for men and for women. And then we talked about the benefits of red light therapy.

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That's j-o-o-v-v.com forward slash MindPump and use the code MindPump to get $50 off your first purchase. Then we got to the questions. The first one was from Luis from Florida. This is a trainer, actually, actually his part of the NCI coaching Club that we like to work with great place Anyway, his question was about maintaining his gymnastic ability while building muscle How does he do that the next question was from Joanna from Canada?

This is somebody that's been working out for a long time is actually quite built She's built a nice physique, but wants to know what to look for when she changes her workout. Like how does she know if supersets are working, how does she know if going heavy is working? Like what are the things to look out for? How do I know when to switch out? Then we talk to Lindsay from New Jersey. This person is limited on their protein intake. They only have one kidney.

Can't eat more than 60 grams or so of protein. Once a no, what she can do to help build muscle and boost her metabolism. Then the final question was from Megan from Florida. This person is really small, wants the bumper calories, but has gut issues when she does it, wanted some advice on how to increase her calories, build some muscle, and work with her gut health. Also, all months long, we have a huge promotion. Maps on Ebola, plus the no BS6 pack formula are put together. You get both of them for $59.99. This is a huge savings of over $100. So it's one payment. You get lifetime access to both. Maps on Ebola,

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I shut you down, right? I see his notes. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not talking about that. We're not going to get to that later in the episode. We're going to build up to these, oh, we're going to build up to them. No, I'm going to give you a compliment. Oh, wow.

You jumped the gun on the compliment. Yeah. Did you looking, you're looking good? I saw you post the picture yourself after you worked compliment. Oh, wow. You jumped the gun on the compliment. Yeah. Dude, you're looking good. I saw you post the picture yourself after you worked out. Are you back on track? What's not at all? I'm actually in some of the worst shape I've ever been in.

You're a big liar dude. I'm not lying to you. When you see that, the only times you see me work out is like, oh, I'm really working out right now. I haven't got that many, I train, I take that back. I train my legs at home two days before that.

Yeah, but you're more consistent than you have been or something? No, really? No, you just, I don't do a lot of posts of me pumped up, bro. You're used to seeing me deflated and that's what, I'm always trying to tell people that, like, they, you know, they see how massive you are. And you're the show, you see how massive you are

and all the pumps that you gave before we do this. You're like, oh, what happened to Adam? I'm like, well, fuck you guys. Watch me go get aired up for 30 seconds. And then so I got to throw it on my story just to tell her what time it is. How did that happen? I give you a compliment.

It boomerang though. It wasn't really a compliment. It was not really a bad idea. You're searching for another compliment. No, it wasn't. No, seriously. I thought, okay, so you're not, you're not a suspect. No, I'm not, I'm really not.

And honestly, so I have talked before about how I rarely train my arms because that's all I have to do. I do like, and that's because of so many years of training, over training them like crazy, that I barely got a touch on me and they get aired up. How weird is that though? Some people have that ability to just,

when they get a pump, they look way different. Other people not so much. Well, not only that, but you actually brought something up. And I think you shared a study around this. And when we first met, you actually said that you would predict this about me and when I talked about man It's so So hard for me to like build muscle and but you and I lose I lean out really quick and you're all I bet you Respond though really quick when you get back on and I didn't believe that really

Now being older and you and falling off the wagon, being on the wagon as far as my consistency, I see that now. I see it now after decades of training that I can take a break for a while, fall kind of out of shape. And then if I dial the diet in, touch the weights, my body responds.

There's a pretty cool, I'm careful with using this word, but there's a bit of a permanence when it comes to resistance training. Obviously, it's nothing permanent, but the longer you keep the muscle and strength, the easier it is to maintain it. There was that study that came out, right? Where they say, one-ninth of the volume to keep muscle that you've built. How do you build that now?

I really do. I think the training for the competition for that four years stand or so that I was on, I think that has because I never felt like that before. So if you were to go right back before competing days, but you are so consistent for four years. Oh, yeah. I've never been that consistent in my life. Right. Ever. And and and for that, you know, for four years, right? Of like never missing a workout, staying dialed on the diet, like even when I wasn't, you know, quote four years, right? Of like never missing a workout, staying dialed on the diet. Like, even when I wasn't, you know,

quote unquote, perfect as far as what I was eating, it was accounted for, right? So if I ate outside of the perfect diet, I still got what my body need to grow, like, and training like that. Would you say that going extreme for a brief, you know, period of time would have, like, some benefit in terms of like,

I do, I do. I do. I really do. As long as it's appropriate, right? Not that you're going extreme and you're overworking your body, but rather just super consistent. Everything focused dialed in for years. I feel like after that, it's so much easier. You know, hard it used to be.

Yeah. For me to be over 190 pounds when I was a kid. So hard. Now it's like, I think I just sit there. I think there's a couple of things happening there too, aside from muscle memory and things. There's also the, when you've been dialed like that

for so long, you learn a lot about your chest room. There's, all of us in this room, with all of our combined knowledge, are still uniquely different as far as how our body responds to certain exercises, what diets work well for you. You know what to look for? How do you tune?

Yeah, and especially doing on a competitive level, I really know how to change and I had to because I've got two weeks out, I've got to look like this, or get out of off the stage, now I want to go do this. I only got three months before this next show, so I had to really work like that. And so it allows me now when I want to turn of turn it around really quick. I can I can switch it up I appreciate the compliment, but yeah, no, I'm not Yeah, I know I noticed it with with with I don't feel sexy right now I don't feel sexy right now. Yeah, or if you know the way you always ask Katrina like is that Adam brushes teeth naked or see like

Got his towel on and so like that. That's how on? That's the indicator if I'm feeling so. That'd be a weird thing to ask her. Hey Katrina, I got a question for you. Please, just try to brush your teeth. Don't ask me if you don't ask me that. Wait a minute, I don't believe you. She said you asked that the other day, so. I don't believe you.

You rested on the sink? No, so Jessica is the same thing. So obviously we had the baby. It's been hard for her to get into a rhythm because of sleep stuff and all that stuff. And so her workouts are like one tenth of what they were before, their body weight or whatever. And we'll go to family functions and family members like, oh my God, your shoulders and your arms, you must be working out like crazy. And she's like, I am not. And it's all the work that she did before. That's the thing

I do. You know, I my workouts have not been this radically different, this long for a long time. I have completely dedicated myself to lighter weight, higher reps, getting the pump, and it's because every time I went back to heavy lifting, more recently, I started noticing my joints a little bit. I'm like, you know, I should probably... You're the most dial I've seen you ever with us. Yeah, and training, we've all been hanging out for almost eight years now, and I've never seen you this dial for the time. It's all higher reps though.

It's all like straight bodybuilding. I don't even pay attention to the weight that I'm lifting, which for me was so hard to get around. And it's made a huge difference for me in terms of how I feel. So, and I think that's the better way, at this point for me to train for longevity, you know? Yeah, I've definitely been thinking about longevity and also just like my own movement capacity like being less

Let it because I'm just like trying to Trying to demonstrate certain movements and be explosive in them and like be able to Be able to react and have my body respond properly. It's like I need to go back to a lot of these functional exercises and Really promote that more because like you just after a while it just you got cobwebs. You know like we with some of these movements if you're not reintroducing them continue. I'm the opposite of that. I need to do that so bad. I've just been lazy. I know I know I need to put that work in. I was run I was play like I was trying to scare my my son. He's 11 months old right and so Jessica will have him. You know he'll kind of look for me. I'll go around the

corner and then I'll come around and I'll, oh, scare him and then I'll run towards him and then run away. And I'm like, running and I never run. And I'm like, it feels like I don't know how to do it. So I need to start practicing. This is an animal. Yeah.

And I'm not even running hard on a playwriting, you know? I'm like, this doesn't feel right. I'm not squatting, so I don't know. Speaking of our sons, dude, so you remember I told the story about Katrina, you know, Max taking Katrina to the room, so that he's had such a fun.

So this is, we're at two years in what, three months or so on of that. So this is marked out. His personality's probably really coming through. Yeah, yeah, this is like a really cool age for me right now, like just seeing the little thing. And he's starting to pick up things really quick. Like if you do something and like,

so I don't even remember what we did first to start telling them like, shh, like telling them to be quiet, like it's bedtime, shh, and we do this. So we're in, we're getting ready for bed again and we're getting ready to put him down and, you know, I'm reading to Max and we're seeing that and Katrina is again trying to talk to me and he puts his finger to her lips. Shhh. Yeah. You can die laughing. You're seeing it too late.

You're so ton of it. He doesn't do it to himself. He doesn't do it to himself. He doesn't do it to himself He doesn't do whoever he wants to show shit. He puts his finger to your lips And then you laugh about us and I was like oh yeah He doesn't more cuz you think it's funny. I really it's if I'm near Jessica He wants to go to her I call her number one. So I'm was like oh here comes number one because if she's not around I'm the coolest thing in the world. She's around he wants to go to her But now because of his age, he and he likes, he wants to nurse all the time.

He always wants to be on the boot. So I'll get him near her and he'll just pull her shirt down. It doesn't matter where we're at. He'll try to pull her titty out. Pull out, I'm like, we gotta be careful if we're at the where we're at, because you'll pull her booming the goods. Right out, I'm like, you know, we're at the. Now does she plan to, because Katrina shut down at one year,

I think is where she shut down, is that? She wants to keep going to two. Oh, she does. Yeah, yeah. So she wants, that's a big commitment, dude. So. Oh, yeah, I remember Katrina when she said, Katrina said, I don't want, she said,

I'm not going to commit to any, she goes, I'm going to do a year for sure. I'll see where I'm at around there. And I remember when the year marked it, she was like, I'm ready to be. It's a lot, dude. Yeah. It is a huge commitment. It's a lot of work. I think of all the things that I've watched as, you know, as far as raising kids. That,

I guess that was a part that I obviously was more, well, my mom also did formula really quick, right? So I guess I didn't see the breastfeeding for that long. That was the part that I didn't realize how crazy that is. You're on demand and it's throughout the whole day. Yeah. So you can't really do anything. A mom that makes a year to me, I mean, you go six months, even, to breastfeeding consistently. I have so much respect for anyone who can do that.

And I don't shame anyone who can't and doesn't because it's insane. I don't think I can make it. Well, you know what it is, is that you think to yourself, especially when they're newborns, right? Okay, every two or three Well, you know what it is, is that you think to yourself, especially when they're newborns, right? Okay, every two or three hours, you breastfeed, but we don't realize is the time that

you're breastfeeding. So it's every two or three hours from the beginning or something like that. So reality, it's like an hour and a half in between. So you're constantly all day long. You can't even do anything while you're doing that. You know, and then they get teeth. And then it's like a whole other thing. Well, and then you have to, and I don't know how much just cuz dealt with this too,

of like, you know, she gets engorged on one side, or the like, she's having issues with latching on one than the other. You're not even. Yeah, so Katrina not only was like every two hours, but then she was having to deal with pain and things like that. I haven't taken hot showers to calm it down.

It's like, oh my God. So not only is the dedication every two and a half hours, three hours of doing that, then the other free time you have, it's just making sure you're ready for the next two hours. I only go, oh my God. You imagine having twins? No.

I'm having to do that. My cousin just had two. You're cousin had twins? So I have the other shaffer. So there's only one other shaffer man in the family that potentially will have kids, my cousin, Jonathan Shaffer, Jonathan Schaefer, and he just had, they just had like what,

three, four days ago, had twin girls. Yeah, crazy. Well, good for God bless them, man. Babies at once, you need a night nanny. I had clients that, so I had a client who had twins, and she told me if that happens, a night nanny, like I don't care if you have to sell your car, what you need to do, it'll save your life.

Because when one goes to sleep, sometimes the other one's awake, so you're totally fucked. You're totally screwed. Anyway, speaking of kids, so I read an article in popular science, are you guys from the popular science magazine? I mean, I actually read it every now and then, too, so.

I love popular science. They're always posting cool stuff. It's cross over here. It's always cool stuff and it's great to read. Look at listen to this. This is they just put this out You ready for this? This just came out on the 28th of September Hmm. Here's the the the title of this article has the fountain of youth Being in our blood all along ready for this Studies published over the last 15 years have found that young blood can reinvigorate aging mice.

Now scientists are trying to crack the code. No, Doug has been drinking young children's blood for so long now. Here we go. Stop that. It's not what we get to say. So that's what I was saying, Justin. This big, I convinced he does.

There's this big internet conspiracy theory that like celebrities and like wealthy people. It's all tied to this like satanic cool. Yeah, and they get like young like young children the kidnap and whatever They take their blood and it keeps them young and whatever but do this side this freaking article Supports all that and literally it's saying here ready for this So this is uh, so uh places like Stanford Harvard have shown that when infused with blood from young mice, old ones heal faster, move quicker, think better, remember more. The experiments reverse almost every indicator of aging, the teams have probed so far. It fixes signs of heart failure, improves bone healing, regrows,

pink reatexels, and speeds spinal cord repair. Wow. Why would you publish this? I don't know. Yes, dude. I know some of those longevity people that want to live forever was like, Aubrey DeGrey or like some of those like, kind of looks like he's dead on the head.

Yeah, the ones that don't look super youthful, like have been promoting this whole blood transfusion thing from like younger. And they've, I mean, this is, I don't know how true it is, right? So I'm gonna throw that out there, but you know, some of these Silicon Valley-type like CEOs, I don't know if it's like Peter Teal,

or somebody else who like had, you know, hired some young man that he would actually do blood transfusions with and everything for this. You just hire them? Yeah, I mean, this is, again, this is all you're saying. You hook up like a dialysis machine and then circulate some of his blood into you or something. I don't even think you dial us.

I think it just goes right through. I know. All I know is like, we should have been paying attention to all the legends of like vampires. That's crazy, really. Oh, like yeah. Hey, speaking of vampires, you know, vampire bats, when they find like a juicy bite,

that they put off a sound for the other vampire bats know that humans can't hear. Wait a second. What the hell is happening? You just dropped some serious knowledge. Yes, I didn't know this. I can't. Where did that come? I never happened.

In seven years of my life, Adam just had like turrets. You just reminded me of the parts on the right way. You know what happened? You just let it out for all the information you've sent. I wish I could tell you guys where I read it. I mean, Doug could probably fact remind me. Sometimes the break starts on the right way. You know what happened. What happened? You just let it out for all the information you give. I wish I could tell you guys where I read it. I mean, Doug could probably fact check me. I know it's true. I read it.

Yeah, there's vampire bats when they find a bite, a juicy bite, they sound off, they make a sound that other vampire bats can hear, but humans can't hear it. Humans can't hear it. Have you ever seen those pictures fresh meat? Have you ever seen the biggest bats in the world? I don't know where they're from, Doug, maybe you can pull it up.

It looks like a movie vampire that turn into a bat. You know when vampires and movies turn into bats, they kind of look like humans. Where are they at? Where are they at? I don't know, in Australia, where all the crazy shit is. Yeah, why do they have all the crazy animals?

Look up the biggest bats in the world. You see this scary? I'm scared of those bats that you've seen that almost have like human size dicks. You see those things? What? Dude, I'm serious. A pointer, you watch it.

I'm not, like, it's, it's, that's what scares me. You know, like a bat just flying around. Like dying of homing you with that thing. Like the big dog. Yes, just drink my butt. I'm just saying. Stop trying to bring me, drop that. Don't mess with me.

Look up images, Doug, because it's boring to look at an article. I don't know why you were doing this. That's the details, though. I mean, wingspan up to five to six inches. The inches long, that's not big. Five feet, six inches. Oh, five feet, six inches, there you go.

Yeah. Yeah. Five foot wingspan for a bat. Oh, look at that. Oh, yeah. Okay, click on the one that's hanging there Do tell me that just look like a person in a costume creepy as hell if I saw one hanging like that I I don't know what I would do. Where are those at where those at Doug? I think the Philippines Really?

Totally avoid that. Imagine if you look up and that thing's flying above your head Okay, what is it about them? There's why are they so much bigger there? There's in big balls your time out Telling you do almost second. That's a good really dog. I mean you're your search engines ruined anyway That's not human size though Justin. Well, it's on your point of camera. I'm telling you there's ones out there Mega giant giant three inch penis right there. It's crazy. Right guys. Isn't that big? I guess it is. Yeah, cool. Yeah. Yeah. That's your scale, huh? Yeah.

Yeah. Did you guys hear about Elon Musk's? Okay. So you know, he broke up with his the what was it? What's her name? Grimes? What's her first name? Something Grimes. Sure. The girl that he was with, the weird. Yeah, the girl he was with. She's kind of a weird chick. They had the kid that they named the weird thing.

I don't remember what else. Is it like a bunch of numbers? Yeah, what was her name? Anyway, so Elon Musk's ex girlfriend, I don't even know if they were married, Grimes is her last name. She put out this, I guess, post or something saying that she's going to start a lesbian space commune.

Wow. Yeah. So she said, I'll be colonizing Europa separately from Elon for the lesbian space commune. Hmm. So that's, uh, that's a, I don't know why they broke up. But anyway, I don't know why that happened. Yeah. She is kind of weird, but she said that's what she said.

I thought I read something about where is where is his current wealth at right now? He just he just he's the richest right now. Is he? I read somewhere over Bayzos is he's like it like I want to say like 300 billion or something. I don't know and that's like total wealth right yeah total value It just saw an article around that. Yeah, see what is that's that's her right there. Oh, she jokes She's starting a lesbian space. It's not a true thing. I don't know man Look at it. Look at a picture of her spreading rumors might be real. I don't know. She might actually try to do this Yeah She was like a wonder woman's planet. What what were they called? Oh?

God there were weren't they Amazonians? Yeah, Amazonian. Yeah. Yeah, that's a legend though, right of the all female Yeah, island of female warriors. I mean, now we can create it, I guess. Yeah, now we can. Yeah. All right, so I got a funny article for you guys. So you know these festivals that happen with music and stuff and lots of people partying and acting crazy and whatever.

Yeah, we sell like old people talking about that. You guys are doing drugs. Those things where they all gather and loud music Well, check this out the 2019 glass-tenberry music festival had an alarming impact on local waterways So because the people at the festival my god, I take it so much drugs. They did so many drugs So because the people at the festival, oh my god, I take it so much drugs, they were... They did so many drugs that their p had,

that their combined urine of their p had high concentrations of MDMA and cocaine. So you have the harming local wild fish to fish there on LSD right now, MDMA and cocaine. So they did so many drugs. Well, they just swim in up toilets. That literally the amount of drugs that they had left over in their pee

was enough to harm wildlife. That was around there. That's crazy. So, I mean, I wanna see videos of this freaking festival. What was that? I think they're all, I think it's more rare to find something sober at one of those things. I've never been, obviously, I've never been to festivals.

Festivals weren't even a thing when I would've been, you know, young guys. Yeah, I think we're all too old for that stuff. Have you guys ever been to LA? No, I did. I was gonna do stage coach one year and then I think we talked about Coachella and then I was like,

have you done a rave? Either one of you been like a real rave? No. No, I haven't been to rave. I mean, I've been to obviously metal festivals, but that's different. Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole different feel, I'm sure.

Did you, not too many girls. Did either one of you guys watch the news clip that I shared about the company where the CEO raised, this happened like five or six years. I actually think we talked about this on the podcast. Five or six years ago, about a guy, a CEO, who decided to make a minimum wage of all employees, nobody under $70,000 a year.

And it was like in the credit card banking type of business. I don't remember that. It's a gravity thing. I think it was the name of the company. It was credit card processing. Yeah. And so what this guy did is he said, I am the minimum wage or the minimum income my employees will get, he announced this, is going to be $70,000 a year, which actually meant some

of his employees went from 30 to 70. Yeah. So he dramatically increased everybody's pay. He took a huge pay cut. He took a million dollar cut. A million dollar cut himself in order to make this happen. And of course lots of people are like, oh, the company's gonna fail, this is gonna work. Well, apparently it's done really well.

And it's succeeded. Except one thing that's kind of interesting They asked him recently about this and he pays himself $70,000 here. So okay, I'm glad you brought that up because that's the part I wanted to talk about so I thought that was at the end of the interview they ask him like okay So what is your salary and he goes mine's $70,000 a year so two things either one Why would this be a great business plan? The whole point of taking all that risk and doing that is so that you could make really good money, first of all.

And then the other thing I would ask is this is, okay, well, we have a salary ourselves and then we have a K1 distribution. So is he just talking about a salary and then he has this distribution that he gives himself? So he makes $70,000 a year salary, but then he gets a distribution of a $1 million

something at the end of the year. So that's what I would want to, I would want to know more detail about. Now the employees love working there. Of course. And now here's a thing though, that this particular article or video that you said is just perception.

They make it look like it's all about the money. And I've worked with enough people, I've had enough companies where, yes, pays important, but the environment, the culture and the people you work with. In my experience, it's more important. And for people who disagree, go to places where people volunteer, where people literally work for free, but they like what they're doing. They're so passionate about it.

They also have incredible loyalty. Obviously, the company is doing something right if they're doing they're so passionate about it they also have incredible loyalty. Obviously the company is doing something right if they're still succeeding. I don't know if that is the factor necessarily, but a lot of these employees took a voluntary pay cut when the company reduced their... Remember in that video they said that the company was losing money during the pandemic, so a lot of employees voluntarily took a pay cut in order to- Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't see that.

I didn't know it helped the company. Oh, interesting. What's your thoughts on a Doug? Did you watch it or no? I did watch it. And I think you make a good point. I mean, I can pay myself. We could pay a salary of $25,000.

Yeah. Yet, do we have ownership in the company? So, I don't know if that's a true reflection of what he's making. Yeah, I think that was just to make it look good on the news because that probably went over. Everybody said everybody went, reflection of what he's making. Yeah, I think that was just to make it look good on the news because that probably went over everybody said everybody went Wow, what a great guy. Yeah, he only pays himself the minimum amount and everybody else gets paid. Yay I see it. Don't miss any income. Yeah, like salary. That's true. Yeah, that's very true. I don't know like yeah again

It's it's sort of a news play and then if he's really actually only making $7 then that's a stupid business Okay, but you know what's, you know what's the problem with this is paying employees good is obviously. Well, you're also building a company too that's centered around credit card debt too. So you're not doing something that's super noble. You know, you're not doing something saving the planet

and then also taking this terrible salary. I think here's the problem. How many components go into running a successful business? There's so many components, right? It would be like me saying, hey, look at this company where this CEO pays himself $50 million a year and the bottom employees make a minimum wage. That's a winning formula because they're so successful.

That doesn't tell you not even close to the whole story. So what they're doing with this company is they're using this, by the way, for every company that does this, which I, this is the only one I know about, there's about 50,000 others that do it differently. So if you want to see what a winning formula is, I think what you want to do is look at the majority of them. But there's so much more. Like we don't know anything else about this company.

I would assume because they're successful that they're doing a lot of other. Yeah, the narrative from the way the news was was was But that was the winning, that was one. Yeah, and there's greedy, everywhere else are greedy CEOs that make the on average 250% more than the average salary of the person that's working there. You know what I always find interesting is nobody really says that about musicians or athletes.

Like if you watch a basketball game and you're a fan, you don't argue that LeBron James shouldn't make more than some other, you know, no name, whatever, average basketball player. Nobody's gonna be like, oh, he's so greedy. He shouldn't be because you watch the game. You see how good the damn guy is and how, how, why he's paid so much. He's the one bringing all the tickets sales. The problem with business is in corporations. Is nobody sees the plays. Nobody's watching the game. Right. All they see is.

They don't know what it takes. That's right. They see Amazon. This guy makes this much. This guy makes this much. It's not fair. That's not how it works. You have no idea.

You're not watching the game. Because if I guarantee if you go to the average person on the streets and you say, Beyonce made $200 million last year, Do you think that she deserves it? And people would be like, oh yeah, she's so talented, she's so good, she has these huge concerts. But then you say, hey, the CEO of no name corporation made 250 times more than his average employee. What do you think?

Oh, it's not fair. You see what I'm saying? It's not really a fair comparison. Let's have to reason why you get into that, though, right? They'll have to reason why you take all the, okay, 80% fail. So you're already, you know, you're already going up hill here. So and you know, you're going to probably have to work for a long time for free, right? Or lose a lot of money before you even get out of the red.

And imagine the pressure and the stress of running some of these companies. Yeah, I think I think the motivation for most people to start that their business is to be able to get to a place where they have financial freedom and control their pay. I don't know. I don't know if I subscribe to the whole narrative that the news network is putting out there. Otherwise, he seems not like the greatest. There's a lot of factors that go into running a successful company.

You can't really just say that one thing. Doug, I wanted you to pull something up because I want to show Adam something. Can you Google Amazon Home rub robot real quick? I Got sent this DM to I love how people are like keeping tabs I get I get all the ones of people like the the crew of five normal people that just are getting ready to go take Not the same. Yeah, I was Fade not on the moon. This is this a, this is gonna be a mass production.

Look at this. It's new robot. It looks a little short to do in addition. That's for sure. Well, if dishes is the standard, yeah. That is the standard, because you can clean your house. Yeah, they're already, we already have Siri and what are all the Amazon ones?

You know, that, that, So what's your signature music and that can order fucking groceries? I want someone to do my dishes. All right, manual labor. So is that the criteria? Yes, so what's your music and that can order fucking groceries? I want some to do my dishes. All right, manual labor. So is that the criteria? Yes. Has it got robot that does your dish?

That's the criteria. That's it. Just like I have to get someone to land. We got, we got room buzzer. Just like I have to get someone to land on the fucking moon to win this argument. You guys won't give me that the five normal people that just went up to the space. I'm not winning that argument is people flying to the moon for vacation. Average people like, like a cost-effective way.

Yeah, all I said was robots in your home, they're gonna be like, no, we were talking about doing dishes. That's exactly what we said. I said that. I believe that. Well, then close to that. That's the average person would be able to afford

to take a trip to the moon before we will have a robot that will do your dishes. That's the argument. That's the right thing. And so both these don't work. So I can't use the people that are sending me shit in my DMs that are saying, hey bro, check this out, five people up in space.

These are average Joe's that are out there to make sure you tell Sal, like no, it doesn't work. They're not going to work. So like, are we going to have any consequences in this bet or like we're going to like put some stipulation behind it. I don't want to see with Jake Paul, like how Tyrone Woodley actually like tattooed that

on his milk finger. Yeah, he did it. Yeah, I love Jake Paul. I don't want to add anything else. He already still owes me a car from years ago. All right, all right. No tattoos, you know, on a raster or something. Hell no.

Okay. I mean, this robot, the least thing driving around, you talk to it. Well, what's it do? I mean, is it just a robot that drives around that's still the same thing that oh It gives you beer, dude. You a beer. Come on. It's kind of cool. Okay. That's that's an advancement But it's got to do the dishes just in yeah, forget that they can even open the beer, bro

That's not that cool. It's such a show, but it's Bringing the body of your and clean my house. Yeah, they said that I read an article that said that the robot from Rocky IV is a reality. I thought that was really cool. Hey, speaking of funny crazy stuff. So I'm on, we have our private forum. And sometimes they post great stuff. And somebody screen-shot it, so check this out. We did a podcast episode, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago,

where somebody asked us what we thought about Turkestoron. And we also talked about Ekti's sterum, right, the supplements, whether they work or not. Well, anyway, on the podcast, I said, yeah, it definitely works, and there's some studies that show that works where there's a supplement company that clipped part of our podcast, and used that as a way to sell their supplement. How cool is that? Sneaky. I feel that pretty cool. But I will say this, they never sent me a sample. We've to sell their supplement. How cool is that? Sneaky. I feel that pretty cool.

But I will say this, they never sent me a sample. We've never tried their supplements. So they're using it to sell their product. I have no idea. I don't know. It could be good. It could be bad. Yeah, shoot a commission, bro.

I have no idea. But I did, I tell you what though, it was, you guys know my relationship with supplements, right? Disfunctional at best. But it's really cool that somebody used me talking to celebrate in supplement. I thought that was really cool. Like you did get a lot of underneath that too,

is, uh, uh, uh, what's his name? A Derek more, more dates, more plates, I always say it wrong. Yeah, that's him. Yeah, I like him. I like him. I did too. I've been following this stuff for a while now. I actually reached out to him.

I would love to get him on the show, but I don't know how to get. I reached out to him on Instagram. Yeah, get him on the show, but I don't know how to get there. I reached out to him on Instagram. Yeah, I think it was Instagram that I sent the first message. I don't know, I haven't dubbed that deep to go see if I can get like a personal email

and then put our team on trying to get a whole of them. Like I was hoping that he would see the message and then just respond. I like his stuff. We've both been tagged enough times. He's got to know who we are and seen our content. So, but yeah, no, he puts out really good, if you, if you, if you, if you,

anything related, Psalms, steroids, supplements that are coming out, and stuff like that. Kind of that edgy part of, of bodybuilding. Very intelligent, dude, breaks it down really well. Yeah, no, I like, I like the stuff that he's putting out. I mean, he does a lot of that too.

Like I told you guys before about how everybody wants to know, like, oh, is this person natural? And then he'll take whoever's going, last one I saw him doing was Dana Lynn Bailey. Is she natural? Yeah, and she's been claiming natural forever. And so he breaks down kind of like her training career and talks about it.

And he does it in an intelligent way that makes it intriguing to watch and listen to. So he's kind of made himself as an authority in that space. Hey, speaking of hormones, I do want to say this. So we obviously we started working with Dr. Rand and their TRT and HRT clinic that we, in our opinion, the best in the business. And they got such a huge demand that some people had to wait and stuff

They put a calendar now up on at mphormones.com, right? So you can go there and book your consultation on the calendar So you don't have to wait to get contacted so this will speed things up But a lot of people are having are really liking what they're doing. So I have a buddy Who heard our podcast, called me up, and he goes, do you think that I may have testosterone issues? So I asked him a bunch of questions, and I said, well, I said, you could try working out

a little more consistently changing your diet. See if that helps. I said, it won't hurt to get your testosterone levels checked just to see where you're at. And to see if you could rate, if you raise it, if it's going to make a difference, anyway, well, anyway, he did. He went and got tested. He came back in the 200s, which is really low.

So in other words, he could double his testosterone, and it's still going to be, it's still not going to be great. So he went on, you know, hormone replacement therapy. And what they recommended that he do, and I'm not gonna, obviously I can't say who this person is, it's gonna be a violation of their privacy or whatever, but he did testosterone. He also got prescribed Nandralone,

which is known as Dekka, right? Dekka is what they say, and that was the trade name, right? But Nandralone is the generic name, and it's a low dose, and I'm like, this is pretty cool, they actually use, and this is approved for human use. And the reason why he went on, on Nandra alone,

along with testosterone, was for his joints to feel better and all that stuff. Anyway, I thought ecopoys was only the one that was really cool. No, so that's not approved for human use. That's only ever been for animal. But I thought that's what, like, I mean, in the bodybuilding community, like, it's, that's supposed to be for like pumps, red blood cell. No, that's what I said. Ecopoys is known as it's that's supposed to be for like pumps red blood cell

Echo poises known as like it's supposed to be like a joint lubricant. Yeah, and I've always felt good when I've taken EQ I Didn't know I didn't know that yeah, so Nando was yeah, so Nandro loan is supposed to be good for that And it has something to do with pain receptors, and you know, he kind of explained to me anyway He's been doing this and he's like dude., he goes, I feel like a completely different person. Because I had no idea how bad I felt before, now that I have a contract. So I'm just so.

Well, he was, I mean, similar to, that's where I was. I was just 250 and then I worked my ass off to get to like 400 and you know, felt better than what I did at 250, but still didn't feel really good. And then it was like life changing when I got back. Yeah, well speaking of testosterone, but boosting it like naturally, I was like in this conversation,

it was pretty funny with one of the coaches I work with, one of my good friends, and you know, we were just talking about like stuff out there that you know, you would, you would try and describe that just sounds like complete magic and nonsense. And I was talking to him about, you know, naturally raising testosterone. It's not actually like red light therapy is like a proven legit way to do it. It sounds so crazy. He's like, what the hell are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like

red light. Your balls. Dude, sometimes you forget, like, we're just in this, like, total bubble of, you know, whatever's advancing with health, fitness and all that stuff. So your average person is like, you're just shining red light on you. Like, they all just start laughing at me. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm some kind of like the crazy person. Yeah.

It's such a good point because that's it. I feel I get the same thing when I talk about the juice like that because it does see, and I forget, just like. That's how we were, yeah, we were. We felt that way. When they first approached us, I was like, what? No. And then they sent us all the studies.

And then I thought to myself, okay, well, light has a profound effect on your body. Obviously, I mean, one example is your body synthesizes vitamin D through exposure with UV rays. Lack of UV rays can cause problems, too much can cause problems. So light does affect the body and the cells. And so, and then when you look at the literature, the red light, this particular type of red light, by the way, it's not just red light.

Like you can't just get a red light bulb and do this. Yeah. It's a particular. That's what I was trying to describe. They still are mine. It gets the mitochondria to produce more energy and to work more effectively. What does that mean? Every cell that has mitochondria to produce more energy and to work more effectively. What does that mean? Every cell that has mitochondria performs better.

What cells in your body have mitochondria? All of them. So if you shine it on your skin, less wrinkles, that heals faster, it's going to seem more useful. Use more youthful cells. If you shine it where you have testosterone, psoriasis, psoriasis, I've seen improvement on all that stuff. Exactly. If you shine it on areas where you can get Sariasis, I've seen improvement on all that stuff. Exactly.

If you shine it on areas where you get to the lighting cells, which are in the testes, those produce testosterone. You'll raise your testosterone. And then hair growth, that one sounded like snake oil. Yeah, that one's actually the most, that's one of the most proven ways of using red light therapies that it regrow. Yeah, people think you're crazy though, for sure.

And I forget too, that we're in this little bubble of ours because we get all that stuff first. But I mean, it's, you know, we'll see like in a year or two watch. I mean, when you start, I think once you see like how the sports teams are adopting it. That was it.

That was sort of my angle because in like, well, the, you know, the 49ers like have a whole training facility where they have a recovery, a portion of that like devoted to red light therapy panels, and then you have all these other devices to speed up your recovery. So it's like they're jumping on the front. They are on the front end of BFR,

they're on the front end of cryotherapy. I mean, you have million dollar athletes, and there's millions, hundreds of millions of dollars on the line to have a winning franchise that consistently. So they are, they'll use every cutting edge they can. And so they're always a good place to watch. Now it is a therapy, meaning you get the effects if you use it. You don't get the effects if you don't use it.

And the reason why, because red light therapy and the studies that supported it have actually been around for a while, the reason why it never became a thing is because they were so expensive that in order to use these things, you'd have to go to a salon, spend a lot or it had actually been around for a while. The reason why it never became a thing is because they were so expensive that in order to use these things, you'd have to go to a salon, spend a lot of money, and then you had to go a few times a week. Nobody was gonna do that. Now that you have companies like Juve,

you can have it in your home, and now you can use it regularly, now it makes sense. But before just it makes sense. That's why I have to explain this to other people that have psoriasis, because I've talked about how it's helped my psoriasis, and I'm like, it helps while you're doing it. It doesn't help when you don't do it Like if I and I notice it right away if I'm consistently doing three times a week is seems good to me

If I'm doing three times a week 10 to 15 minute sessions That's enough for it to dramatically improve what my psoriasis looks like if I stop doing it It'll only take like a week or two and then I'll start to notice it get bad again So it's something you had to consistently do It just looks like if I stop doing it, it'll only take like a week or two and then I'll start to notice it. You get bad again. So it's something you gotta consistently do. Hey real quick, I hope you're enjoying this podcast. Look, head over and check out Allie Pop. This is one of the partners that we work with.

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I form, first of all, I want to thank you guys for everything that you do. I actually form part of the coach to coaches group with NCI and Mind Pump. And I'm really grateful for everything that you guys have brought to the table in the last couple of sessions. Now, my question basically is regarding my own personal fitness journey. So, I'm a really big fan of advanced calisthenics and gymnastics. So I started off with gymnastics, learning handstands, front levers, back levers, iron cross, all these more advanced technical moves, but I'm also a fan of aesthetics. So it was very hard for me at the start trying to combine these because I would basically do a bodybuilding routine every single day with a calisthenics gymnastics routine and my body just really took a toll.

Everything changed once I started using anabolic and instead of the trigger sessions I did light calisthenics handstand skill sets in my days off. off and it all was very beneficial, very helpful and I was able to get both the aesthetics and the skill improvements with calisthenics. Now my problem is now that I'm done with antibiotics, I want to go into more of a strong man or a powerlifting type of program, but I'm not too sure how to incorporate calisthenics with that because I also don't want to lose the abilities and the skills with all these gymnastic movements. How would you guys approach that? Yeah, that's a great question. Really good question. First off, thanks for saying what you did about NCI. It's been a really good experience for us working with great coaches and we've gotten great feedback from it, it so I appreciate that. Now here's a deal with what you're talking about. You want to understand or consider that

learning a skill takes a lot more effort and practice than maintaining a skill so for example maybe a silly example but I think it illustrates what I'm saying. Learning how to write a bike takes a lot of practice and a lot of effort and then keeping the skill of riding a bike for the most part, if you ride it here and there, you'll probably keep it. Now, you're talking about calisthenics at a pretty high level,

but it also sounds like you've been doing them for a very long time. I think if you wanna maintain your ability, just practice it on a regular basis. Now, don't do it as a workout, but rather just on a daily basis. Practice the skills that you don't want to lose. That should be enough to prevent you from losing those abilities too much.

You won't be as good as you would be if you train them hard all the time. If you're doing power lift or strong, and then you're practicing the calisthenics on a daily basis, when I say practice, literally it's not a workout, you're practicing the skill, you're getting up on the bar, you're making sure you could still do the movement. I think if you do that on a regular basis along with strong or maps, power lift, I think you should probably be okay.

I actually really like how you're doing this. I mean, I think this is probably the right direction that I mean, it all matters to like how much of the Genastic skills that you still want to be good at right and I think if you want to keep them at the level at your At which is sounds like a pretty high level I think your strategy is actually pretty good and what's kind of neat about all the Programs is most all that at least all the ones I can think of right now top of my head We've built them with these you know you have your foundational days and then you have these, you know, in strong, for example, their work sessions.

And so I would just drop my work sessions and I would do my calisthenics there instead. So you could follow strong and basically do the same thing that you did with anabolic and I think you would see great success. I mean, I love what you do. And by the way, too, okay, and I would love to see great success. I mean, I love what you do. And by the way, too, okay? And I would love to see you do strong and do that. But when we wrote these programs, we did write them to where you could run that back.

So you don't necessarily have to. I know obviously it's financially beneficial for all of us for you to go through every single program. But the truth is, they've been programmed in a manner that you could run anabolic multiple times, one after another, and be fine because of the way that we phased it. So nothing wrong with how you're training right now at all, but if you do want to move into something more

like strong or powerful, I would just take the off days and I would incorporate my gymnastics. Yeah, again, I want to echo that, in terms of how you're structuring it, I like. However, I wanted to pose another sort of option, only because I know some of these movements are super intense. A lot of times they devote all of your effort, your body gets really taxed, sounds like you got taxed doing it that way. What if you flipped that So you take anabolic and you do the trigger sessions in between your skills, only because if that's your goal at the time, so you can kind of, you know, really

hyper focus on, you know, building up that skill, but also like getting the recovery, the hypertrophy benefits of the trigger sessions in between, you know, trying that as well. If that's a little less taxing, more moderate intensity, giving that a go. Yeah, Luis, I think the bottom line to understand, and you know this as a coach working with clients, what they do the most of is where they're going to gain most of their, I guess, benefits or results. So if endurance training takes up the majority of your time,

then most of your progress is gonna be connected to endurance. If most of your training is devoted to strength or power or hypertrophy, that's where you're gonna see most of your results. So if you wanna continue to improve at calisthenics, you're probably gonna have to make that the cornerstone of your workout. But if your goal is to improve your aesthetics

more than your calisthenic skill, but you just wanna be able to maintain some of those foundational skills, then the path that you're on is, in my opinion, perfect. You follow one of our programs, and then just practice those calisthenics on a regular basis because it's the practice

that maintains the skill. Now, if you wanna get better at it, it's not necessarily gonna work, but honestly, if you're good enough at those calisthenics to the point where you could, a few times a day, hop up and practice a few moves, get on a handstand and hold that and come down, nothing too super intense,

but just practice it throughout the day. Just doing that, your skill will probably maintain pretty well, but that's, there's always a give and take with training, always. He could do a two one also, like with like, Anna Balak, the way that's structured, you could go a two days of foundational, one day of gymnastics, and then actually

do the trigger sessions. So for sure, what you're doing, I think, is great, and you can play with that. And you could actually change throughout the program as you're going through, like, if you feel like, OK, I'm doing more than enough gymnastics, you could scale that back to Salis Point and do more of the bodybuilding stuff.

So I think you actually get the concept, and I think that almost every program we have is very easy for you to just drop a day of strength training because most of the program, the only thing that would do program I would tell you not to do with what you're doing is split. Because split, we break up the body parts, and then you're...

It's so bodybuilding focused. It almost doesn't give you too much of a feeling. Yeah, and then you're also gonna end up sacrificing a muscle group if give you too much. Yeah, and you're also going to end up sacrificing a muscle group if you do that. Where all the other programs are mostly full body, so you can literally drop one of the full body days off and do a full gymnasium. Well, even performance was really set up.

So you have those core foundational days, but in between is mobility, but there's room there to add in your skills. You maintain those skills for your specific sport. And you just want to structure it in a way where it's moderate to low intensity, but you're drilling those skills. So if you can do that within the gymnastic realm, that's totally not true. One more thing to keep in mind of, Luis, if you're building muscle and gaining weight,

that will make your calisthenics more challenging. And it will likely reduce your skill because you know when you're lifting weights, if you get bigger, your fine isn't really changing anything. But when you're lifting your body, now you've just made that exercise more challenging. And the shape of your body has changed and the leverages have changed a little bit. So keep that all in mind, but it's not that big of a deal. You could always go back to what you were doing before if you really miss it. Easy to lose muscle. It's not hard. I hope that helps. Yeah, I wanted to really thank you guys. One of the great benefits I got from doing antibiotics and

the skills days on my days off was that exactly that my weight was basically around the same. I was eating a pretty high amount of calories, but my body composition completely changed. I think I benefited so much from that routine because before tackling and doing antibiotics, I was doing basically what Adam was just saying. I was doing a bodybuilding routine five six times a day and on those same days where I would work out I would do a 30 45 minutes skill session and my body was just hurting. Yeah, too much. By the way, when you say anabolic just for the listener, he's talking about maps and a ball. That's terrible. Sounds like you're talking about taking an animal. Although it's like you're on steroids when you run that program That's why it's named maps and aballics. So thanks Louis. By the way, do you have a map strong or maps power left? Do you have you the one of those programs?

I don't have a strong How is how's this split on strong is it similar to antibiotics? Yeah, like a three day a week. Yep. Yep. Very similar So we'll send it over to you. Thanks for calling in. Awesome. Thanks guys. See you on the inside guy. Yeah, I really enjoy these coaches and trainers that we get to, you know, when we all ran gyms and stuff, one of my favorite things to do is train coaches and trainers.

And you know, we haven't done that obviously because we have a podcast. So it's great to do this and work with people on the front line. I actually enjoy that more than training That was why I was saying why I was quick to take the fitness manager role was I was actually kind of burnt out of training clients Ten clients a day was excited actually trained professional so for most of my career That's what I spent most of my time doing was actually coaches

Yeah, but you know again, it's like when you design your routine, a big mistake is to try to do everything, so you can get everything and lose nothing. And you are going to overtax your body, and you'll end up with less of everything. Your best bet is to prioritize one's type of goal, make that the cornerstone of your routine, and then supplement that, and then it may change. And that's okay.

Yeah, and fluctuate it. So do a different focus for a while and then come back to it, you know, the main goal that you have, but, you know, that way you keep from plateauing. I love what he's doing though. I mean, I think his strategy, well, he's obviously a trainer,

he has an idea of something. Yeah, no, I mean, when he was laying out what he had done, I think. It was a great structure. Yeah, no, there's nothing, and there's nothing wrong, that's why I wanted to say too, there's nothing wrong with you running.

If like, you got shredded, you look awesome, you could still do your call callus then make sure you're living the program. Fuck you could run it back But I'm glad you brought up the point to that you know He's gonna lose something if he keeps building right because it sounds like he still wants to keep building Oh, you try try doing a you know Handstands and you know iron cross or whatever the stuff you was it with when your legs got bigger You know we got to grow with. Well, even, you know, we gotta grow with it, with your skills. You know, we talk so much about the whole, you know, astagrass and then the, you know, squat and scroll thing.

Like, as I get bigger and bigger, it becomes really difficult for me to sit comfortably down in that position. So there's definitely a sweet spot of getting bigger and still keeping my mobility, you know. Yeah, Justin's astagrass squats are like, so short range of motion now, because his cakes are just, they're heading for me. Yeah, Justin's asked to grasp lots of likes. So short range of motion now, because his cakes are just, they're heavy. Yeah, it's easy.

Our next caller is Joanna from Canada. Hey Joanna, how can we help you? Hi, so first of all, Big fan more, several months now actually got into listening to MindFunk after I came back from deployment in Africa because I was quarantined and had not much to do, so I happened across your podcast. I have been listening ever since. So basically, I got into bodybuilding and fitness a few years ago, competitively, before that I would do resistance training, but not really

with any specific goal in mind, and bodybuilding, especially unilateral training really helped me to identify like, imbalances and stuff, because I do have a pretty sedentary job, and so that really helped. So my question is, I'm ready to kind of change my programming up. And I know you guys talk a lot about switching things up, increasing or decreasing risk periods, incorporating supersets, changing tempos, stuff like that.

So before I start to make changes, I would like to know how long should I incorporate these changes until I should see a difference versus if I try it for a couple of weeks and I don't really notice anything at what point should I move on and try incorporating a different kind of change if that makes sense.

Oh yeah, good question. That's a really good question. Okay, so number one, when you make a change in your programming, and you want to monitor how it's working for you, or if it's working, you have to know what to look for. So what do I mean by that? If I switch to a long, resp period, low rep phase of training, what I'm looking for a strength, I'm looking to see if I'm moving more weight or doing more repetitions with the same amount of weight

so long as I stay within the rep range. But usually it's more weight that I'm looking for. What if I'm doing supersets or shorter rest periods? What am I looking for? Now strength is always welcome, but I'm not really looking for that. I'm looking for, do I have more strength stamina? Am I getting a better pump? You know, am I getting, is my technique even better with my exercises while I'm fatigue, right? Let's say my phase is more into mobility and practicing the technique. I don't care about any of that. What I care about is range of motion. I have control over. Do I feel it more in the target muscles? Am I doing better, you know, form and technique overall? So, you gotta know what to look for because if you're looking for the wrong thing in the

wrong phase, you might think you're not doing a good job when you are. Totally, like when I do supersets with short rest periods, I don't care about adding weight to the bar. In fact, in the past, when I did care about that, it was super sets. It would really screw me up. Now I'm looking for, am I getting a better pump, better field, do I have more stamina at the end of my set? Am I breathing as hard as I did before, that kind of stuff.

Now, one thing to keep in mind, if this is all confusing, which probably not for you, you've been working out for a while, but let's say somebody's listening and they're like, okay, well, that's kind of, okay, I gotta listen to my body, but what does that look like? Generally speaking about three to five weeks is when you want to switch out of a phase. So about three to five weeks You want to move out and that'll prevent you from, you know, from plateauing that'll prevent you from hitting a wall Usually people wait till they hit a wall before they switch the problem with that is it's a little harder to back out

When that happens so about three to five weeks. Now that first week or two, here's why I typically don't tell people to switch out week one or week two. That first week or two, especially if you make big changes, is gonna suck. Like if I go from heavy long rest periods to short rest periods or supersets, like that first week is gonna feel like crap.

I'm just gonna do my squats or whatever and I'm gonna be like this. I just, I'm weak, I don't feel good. It's just because my body is not used to that. So you gotta give it at least two or three weeks before you can kind of pass judgment on whether or not it's working for you. Yeah, if you're doing it right in the beginning,

I mean, that should be a major shift for you in terms of like your focus. So that way, you are going to kind of go through that period of relearning some of these movements that you probably haven't incorporated in a while. So they are going to kind of suck. It's going to be a grind. And you have to give it ample time to, you know, for your body to respond the way it needs to respond. So yeah, at least like three weeks a a lot of times, you're not gonna even really feel like you're getting good at it. Well, the only one that just the one example you gave, Sal, where you increase your time, right, your rest period,

that's about the only one you're gonna see, actually a very positive impact. Everything else, if you super set, you're gonna get right away. Yeah, well, when we talk about weight, right? You get it, like, because that's like the easiest measure for everybody's like, oh, I'm getting stronger, right? Everything else, like if you're getting weaker,

you're gonna feel more tired. All, if you add supersets, you're gonna feel more fatigued, right? If you cut your rest period, you're gonna be weaker. Like, that doesn't mean it's not working. Like, that's the adaptation that you're going after. So you kind of just have to trust the process and know that where you're really gonna tell

is when you go back to what you were doing before. So whatever you do most consistently, you move out of that, messing with tempo and rest periods and stuff like that. And then when you come back to that, that's where you should feel or notice like the biggest change. Most of the great point too,

because I've got a lot of people reach out like face to performance. It's like totally different, right? It's not that, you know, strength is something that's like, you can kind of like recognize that right away, but being able to move efficiently in different directions and then be strong in that is not something super obvious right away, but it's very beneficial. So, you know, there's ways of altering your programming that have massive benefit that aren't like so visibly obvious. Yeah, Joe, here's a good rule of thumb.

Stay in a phase until you feel like you're good at it. So, that usually takes about three weeks. Usually takes about three weeks when you feel like, oh man, I'm really good at this. And then you can start to think about switching out. Do not wait until it stops working. That's one of the biggest mistakes people make. I make that still because I get excited about a particular phase, especially if it's heavy. I just want to keep going. And then I hit a wall.

And then it takes me like two weeks to back out and I have to deal out and do all that other crap. So you're better off moving out before you plateau. The opposite is true, though, too. There's a lot of people that will, you know, I'm going to it and they try it for two workouts and they're like, oh, I don't know. Yeah, you gotta go on. Yeah, trust the pros at least three weeks. I like being more like four or five. So and you'll find out everybody's body's a little bit different. So stick to it for at least three or so weeks and then and then you can go back and measure how your progress don't want to do. Do you have any of our programs? I have most of your programs. Are you in our forum? That's right, you're in good shape.

I am in the forum. Oh, all right. Damn, we got nothing to give you, girl. Don't you want anything for free? Do we have anything to offer you free? Yeah. Pictures of Adam or something. I've been going to see for like last month, so I'm like everywhere. Excellent. Well, we appreciate you.

I do have another question though that was in my initial email. Okay. So it's about my glutes and hamstrings, which I know is like a the Keeney Bodybuilder's nemesis. So I have a, I have a lot of trouble gaining muscle in my bottom half as well as losing fat there because you know, hormones or whatever. So I do have a program that has three lower body and two upper body days a week.

But I do have maps in a ballad and I'm hoping to start that probably next week is my plan. So my question is about the trigger sessions. Should they be incorporated like, and I did notice the calendar, but it's there every day that you're not doing a foundational exercise, right? Yeah, but we have a butt builder bundle. Do you have that? I have that. Okay, you can also do trigger sessions and make them focus on the glutes and hamstrings and then start your lower body workouts with glute and hamstring work. So rather than going straight into squats,

I would do a glute exercise like hip thrusts, I would do something for hamstrings and then move into the rest of the legs. Of the leg workouts. So prioritize those target areas, always in your workouts. That'll, that'll be the best thing you could do. Yeah. The other thing that when, when training my bikini competitors is it's, it's hard to build too if you're in a cut a lot. So you gotta be,

you have to understand that like if you're trying to build your glutes and you're also leaning out at the time, the likelihood of you actually seeing your glutes, good point. Build and develop is very unlikely. So you gotta put, you gotta, you gotta be at a good point. Build and develop is very unlikely. So you gotta be on a bulk. So you gotta definitely increase your calorie and take while you're also training or switching your programming up to develop the glutes.

So a lot of times when I get these bikini competitors and I look at their diet and I'm like, well, you're not feeding enough. It's just, it's no different than the guy who wants to build his biceps. If he's in a calorie deficit all the time, you could do all the bicep curls in the world. He's not going to see his biceps getting bigger. So the same thing goes for that. So I would the calories and then also, you know, being able to have good glute activation in those big

movements like the squats and deadlift. So priming the glutes before any of my leg days, for sure. Those are the two main keys that I would make sure you're paying attention to. Yeah, you look pretty lean. So I think a bulk would probably be a good idea for this particular goal. Yeah, I pulled out of competing this year. So we're doing my reverse right now. And the goal is to move into wellness next year,

because I think it's a more sustainable and like, don't want to mess with me. I'll crush you with my legs. Kind of look, do you like? Um, for trigger sessions though, is it basically any exercise can be a trigger? Yep. Kind of exercise as long as it looks on that. Yep.

As long as it's low intensity and you're just getting a pump. That's the key. The thing that people end up doing is they turn it into like a workout. It's, they're designed to be 12 minutes with rubber bands. And so if you are going to do, let's say like glute bridges or something instead of like, you know, rubber band bison curls, which everybody does, just just just keep in mind that you're just trying to get like a light pump. You're not trying to really fatigue the muscle. Right.

All right. Well, thanks for call. Thanks for calling, Joanna. Sorry. We couldn't give you anything for a minute. We have to say hi and make sure Thanks for calling Joanna. Sorry. We couldn't give you anything for We appreciate your patronage. Thank you Thank you. No problem. Yeah, good good question about the whole phasing Canada has a military Yeah They just go to rising right? No, they just go to the first person I ever heard they just go to the enemy and apologize No, sorry. Just kidding. You know, good question, right?

Because that's the biggest, that's still a challenge for me, is knowing where you're glued. To move, no, I have actually excellent. Knowing when to move in and out of phases. Like when do you switch, when do you come out, when do you go into the, you know, and especially when there's phases that you just don't have as much fun in.

So always a challenge. Well, that's why too. It's a good idea to have a program. So you have something that, you know, it kind of takes you on that. You put through that, you know, and a schedule, and a lot of times you can, you can go through that and find out,

oh, that's why I kept doing this for an extended amount of time because like your own intuition, a lot of times can trick you. You said she looked, I couldn't see her from here. You said she looked really lean. She looked like she lifts weights and she's lean. She looked really pretty well developed from the neck up

or whatever from the shoulders. Yeah, all the bikini competitors I trained, that was always the gluten hamstring, that's everything right for shows. That's what win shows for sure for the girls. But most of them were trying to build a butt and one, they're doing all these high rep exercises. Stay in freaking straight. And that's great point. And they're in a deficit. It's butt and one, they were doing all these higher rep exercises. And then stay in freaking store.

And that's great point. And they're in a deficit. It's like, yeah, they're in a deficit and they're doing all these, you know, pumping butt exercises. It's like, oh, dude, you're never going to grow the leaf. Throw yourself on a nice bowl can go get some heavy squats and deadlifts. Our next caller is Lindsay from New Jersey. Hey, Lindsay, how can we help you?

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. My question is, is it possible to gain muscle when you're on a diet with restricted protein intake? So to give you a little bit of a background, I want to gain 10 pounds of muscle. I'm pretty lean. I have a difficult time gaining gaining weight and maintaining it. And I also have one kidney. So I had a kidney removed when I was younger because it wasn't functioning properly. Since then, I'm healthy. I don't have any, you know, health issues.

I do see an aprologist every about six months and I've lab worked on just to make sure my one kidney is functioning and my lab or my levels are normal. I did ask my nephrologist about gaining muscle and I told him I was eating one gram of protein per pound of body weight. And he said, absolutely not. That's way too much protein for you. You should be eating one gram of protein per kilogram of body weight, which would be like 52 grams, which is like nothing. I didn't really like that answer.

So I decided to ask another nephrologist and get a second opinion. That nephrologist and get a second opinion. That nephrologist basically said the same thing because I have one kidney compensating for two. It's working harder and the kidneys do work harder to process protein. He did say that I eat 70 grams of protein a day, which gives me a little bit more wiggle room, but it just still doesn't seem like a lot of protein. So I don't really know what I should be eating. Yeah, no, that's a really, really good question, kind of tough situation.

So it's also the right advice. Yeah, number one, I mean, okay, these are experts in kidney health, so I would definitely take their advice, but here's some good news for you. Okay, although high protein diets have been shown in studies to be more effective at building muscle, you can build plenty of muscle on a lower protein diet. There are plenty of vegan and vegetarian bodybuilders that eat far less protein than other bodybuilders and do totally fine. What's the difference in muscle between the two groups?

Probably not as much as you think. I don't think you're missing out too much. I think the key is to be as healthy as possible. Here's what I would do if I was in your situation. I would listen to the doctor, but then I would say this, I'd say, look, would you mind if I experimented with eating more protein and then could I get my labs done

every few months just to see how things change if anything changes because I did say that to him and he said yeah your levels are gonna look fine now but I might affect you when you're older. Oh okay well in that case I would listen to what he says but here's a deal. Carbohydrates are protein-sparing so you're gonna eat case, I would listen to what he says, but here's a deal. Carbohydrates are protein-sparing, so you're going to eat carbohydrates, I'm sure that's totally fine.

Calorie surplus is more important to build muscle, especially if you're eating your essential amounts of protein. I would make sure that the protein that you are consuming is of the highest quality. This is when the type of protein matters. When you're eating a high protein diet, you always hear people say, egg protein is superior, way protein is superior,

animal protein versus vegan protein. Doesn't matter if you eat a high protein diet, but when the protein is lower, that's when you see a difference. So what you could do is you could eat the most high quality, highest in branch, shanimein acid type proteins,

which would be way animal protein, egg. That's where you're gonna get the best bang for your buck. And the grass fed beef. Yeah, other than that, I would definitely listen to the doctor because a few pounds of muscle, obviously I don't have to tell you this, wouldn't be worth. Because if your kidneys started to reduce its function as you got older, then they really have to restrict and then it gets really hard.

Are you following any of the MAPS programs? Yes. So right now, I'm on MAPS in a BALLIC. This is my second time doing that program. And before that, I did MAPS split and MAPS aesthetic. Have you done anabolic on a calorie surplus or have you been dieting or on maintenance, but how are you eating on those?

Yeah, I mean, I'm always hungry when I'm on the program. That's a good sign. But when I was tracking my food, it was to make sure I was eating enough protein. So now I'm not really tracking. I'm just kind of eating when I'm hungry because again, I didn't know what I should be eating. Yeah, now you're able to go to 70 grams

according to the doctor. Yeah, and are you, is that easy for you to do through food? Oh yeah. Okay, I'd stick to animal sources, high quality. And I'm tell, okay, you know, this is the truth now. Yes, a high protein diet has been shown in studies to be, you know, better than a lower protein diet for building muscle, but it's actually overstated.

It really is. It's not as big of a deal as people think. I've worked with plenty of clients who could not eat a gram of protein per pound of body weight because it made them constipated or bloated or they had negative digestive issues. We brought the protein down and they built more muscle because it made them healthier.

So you gotta look at the individual. I know studies show generally what happens with people, but on an individual basis, like I've worked with vegans who just felt so much better eating plant-based, I could put them on an animal-based diet and studies say that that's better for building, for them it wouldn't been worse. so much better eating plant-based, I could put them on an animal-based diet and studies say that that's better for building,

for them it wouldn't been worse. So, worry about you as an individual and I know those studies show certain things, but those are general and you're an individual and you have individual needs, focus on that. That'll be your best guide. Lindsey, are you in our forum? I know.

I would love to, we'll send that over to you. I'd love you to get in the forum and then actually just stay in contact with us and start tracking your food, get yourself in a calorie surplus. I mean, the goal here is to gain 10 pounds of lean mass. I think you can do that on that protein intake, just being consistent with being in a caloric surplus and run some good programs. So I think those two things, I think you're gonna be surprised,

you're gonna be okay. Now, are you limited also? Like you can't, I'm assuming they told you can't supplement creatine, have you asked? I did. I even asked if I could do like small doses, they said absolutely not, no protein supplements. That's what I think.

Okay, no problem, not a big deal. If you're eating, you know, red meat, you're gonna get adequate amounts of of creating in your diet from that as well. But yeah, don't worry about what you can't do, focus on what you can, and optimizing your individual body is always gonna be best, always. And again, I've worked, like I said, I've worked with many, many clients who had negative results or negative symptoms for meeting a high protein diet. It just didn't work for them.

It's so we brought it down and they did much better. That's great. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. I just want to say real quick, my boyfriend and our huge fans, he introduced me to your podcast. I've been listening to you guys ever since we started dating. We really appreciate everything you do for the fitness community. Thank you, Lindsay. Mary that guy. Thank you. He's the one.

He needs to get me a ring. Okay. All right. Sit him our way. We'll talk to him. Sit down. Sit him in this podcast. Thank you so much. Yeah, you know, it's tough. This is the this is the the bane of studies. Yes. Is that studies will show a general result. That's true, right? There's a true general result. But sometimes we get so stuck on that

that we forget that we are individuals. And if it doesn't work for us, well, then it just doesn't work for us. And this has happened to me before, where I've read studies on a supplement and this supplement's supposed to work and oh my god, it's supposed to be great. And then I take it and it just affects me negatively.

And I stubbornly stick to it because the study says so. It's like it doesn't work that way. We think you're missing out, but really like the point is to get as healthy as possible. And then your body will respond appropriately. And yeah, so it's the thing is you want a different answer, right? Because you see that study and you're like, whoa, I could still kind of pull this off. But you know, that's really not your path. You have a different path.

Well, especially if you're reading stuff in the fitness community because everything around, you know, building muscle in our community is protein, protein, protein. Oh, you want to have cramps? The magical, yeah. And we're always talking about eating more of it. So, and actually, 70-something grams is not bad for a female at all. No. And I think she's, I couldn't see her from here really well, but she didn't look like she was that,

I mean, from this angle, she didn't look like she was a big girl. She was a smaller girl. So 70 something grams is not. She's fine. Yeah, that's not bad at all. I had many clients that when I started tracking their protein, they were like 20, 30 grams a day. And we doubled it to 67.

They did great. They did great. They did great. They did great. They did great. They did great. They did great. They did great. They did great. They did great. They did great. They'll talk kinds of muscles. So I think she'll be just fine. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Our next caller is Megan from Florida. Hey, what's up Megan? How can we help you? Hey guys, um, first off, I just wanted to say thank you so much for taking my question today.

Um, I recently started listening to you guys religiously and I actually just purchased maps and a ballock. Long story short, I'm a 4, 10, 15 pound female, and I have been working out for quite some time. However, I didn't discover Macro's weightlifting and all of that fun stuff until about 2017. Also at that time, I've almost always had a trainer since 2017. However, I've almost always had a trainer since 2017. However, I recently decided to venture out on my own with training macros and calories.

These last set of trainers that I had who I have the utmost respect for and they actually are a big part of how I found you guys, discovered how low my calories have been and for about a full year I basically did quote-unquote recovery with them. My calories were as low as sometimes a thousand calories a day. The highest probably about 1300. My calories got up with these trainers up until about 1800 but I I felt terrible on them, which I was very

verbal about with them. I've done gluten free, I've done dairy free. I did gains in weight, which I was prepared for, but I am one of those females that really watches the scale, and kind of has a hard time letting go of that number. So I did sort of resist them a little bit. As we were about to start a cut, I did have to end my contract with them because my husband and I actually moved overseas. And so basically here's my question. Despite trainer help, despite eating well,

following good habits, I cannot seem to build muscle no matter what I do. I can't ever seem to lose my love handles or my lower stomach basically. I've also been told previously that petite women have to eat less because we are so small and keep calories relatively low because it's so hard for us to lose weight. So what do you guys recommend for petite women? Yeah, I know. That last part's false.

Yeah, no, good, good, yeah, I know. I don't know if you've ever seen female gymnasts that are like smaller than you are and just, you know, Jack, but you know, here's a deal, by the way, what you're explaining is most people, especially most women. Building muscle is not easy at all. It's very hard, it's a slow, long process, even for men, especially for women, so it can definitely be very frustrating. Now here's the thing that I want to address.

You talked about eating more and you didn't feel good and then you talked about cutting out dairy and gluten. So I'm assuming when you said you didn't feel good, you noticed digestive issues, is that correct? Okay, so I would address the digestive issues. You may have an underlying digestive issue that needs to get addressed and gut inflammation and gut health issues are a massive wrench in progress. I know this personally, okay.

I, it always gets in my way when it comes to my ability to build muscle and improve my performance, even burn body fat. And when my gut health is good, it's like I'm a completely different person. So I would highly suggest working with somebody who's an expert in this field, maybe a functional medicine practitioner.

And I think this will be one of the best investments you can make if you can address those gut issues because then you can increase your calories, work towards building muscle, and you probably will get a better hormone profile. Some of the stuff that you're talking about, like not being able to burn body fat from certain areas, not being able to build muscle, that may be related to hormone issues caused by gut issues as well. And then the last thing I want to say is always listen to your body. So just because you think you're supposed to eat X amount of calories, but you feel better

eating less, then that's fine. You can eat less. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that. But because of the digestive issues, I would say, let's focus on that first. I think if we get that out of the way, you'd be very pleasantly surprised at how much differently your body responds. A good investment would be Dr. Steven Cabral. He has a program that he does,

and I know he can do it virtually with you. That can be expensive, so you can do this on your own. If you have the discipline to do like an elimination diet, you could go that route. But Steven Cabral would be amazing to help you with the gut. The other thing that I would suggest to that I don't know if you were doing with the other trainer or not is when you do decide to go in like this, the Chloric surplus is to give yourself a break. Like we always advocate many cuts and many bulks. And so if I had someone I had someone like you and we were only at like a thousand calories and we, 1800, that's a significant difference, that's double.

I would do something more like 1500, we'd be running that consistently for a week or two and then I'd give you two or three days where we'd actually drop the calories significantly and then go back up to the bulk. I'd give your digestive system a little bit of a break by actually having some low calorie days intermittently in there. So even though the goal is to increase the calories, get you eating more, I would still break it up

with these days and you might have just been consuming so high for so long consistently that that's also what was bothering your digestive system too. Yeah, and again, it may be the kinds of foods you're eating, it may be that you need to treat something like SIBO, or maybe work on motility, which would be more of a specific, you know, type of application.

But if you don't get that out of the way, it's gonna be very challenging with everything else, especially if those gut issues persist. But here's the good news. Once they get addressed, man, the change in how your body responds and how you feel is like, it really is night and day, making it, it makes a huge difference. Now, when you were gaining weight,

did you feel though that you're stronger at that point too, or was this, yeah, what did that look like? I did. I did. I wouldn't say that I was going crazy in the gym, but I mean, I was lifting. I was dead lifting and I, you know, like I look back at my apps that I logged all of my workouts in and I realized that as I was eating more, I was lifting heavier. Soroidism about a year ago.

However, that particular doctor, I didn't really do my research, and he was just one of those doctors that, oh, it's this. So here's this medicine. And he put me on a thyroid medicine. And then I actually went and had some blood work done. I can't believe I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little bit of a doctor. I was a little medicine. And he put me on a thyroid medicine. And then I actually went and had some blood work done. I came off the thyroid medicine. And I had blood work done post that. And my thyroid levels were fine. And so I'm a little worried that maybe being on that medicine messed up some hormones. I don't know if that's, I don't know a whole lot

about hormone health. Yeah. So I'm not real know if that's, I don't know a whole lot about hormone health. Yeah. So I'm not real sure if that's the case. Dr. Steven Cabral, Dr. Becky Campbell would be another person you can work with. But so you could have normal thyroid, but you could have antibodies so that the thyroid that you are producing

just doesn't working. Or there could be a dysfunction somewhere else or or it could literally be coming from the gut, and the poor gut health will affect all of those things as well. So a functional medicine practitioner that really does a good job is worth their weight in gold. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you so much for calling in Megan. Hey, no, thank you for taking my question. Yeah, appreciate it. Yeah, that's one of those things.

It's like, you know, if you have an underlying kind of issue and it doesn't get addressed, it could feel like everything else that you're doing right is gonna get louder and louder if you don't address it. Yeah, and it just doesn't work. It's like, I've addressed workouts, I've addressed sleep, I've addressed this, but what the hell is going, it's like when we get guys and they go to,

you know, see their testosterone levels and they're like, oh my God, my testosterone's low. No wonder everything that I was doing, you know, just wasn't working. So this is where an investment in someone like Cabral would be amazing. Totally. To me, it's kind of a no brain of hers.

So long, and it sounds like she can afford it. She's hired personal trainers and she's invested in her health before. So I think investing in someone like, taking someone like him for a couple months, I think we do wonders for where he's at. Totally. Look, if you like our information,

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