Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1656: How to Find Your Exercise & Diet Sweet Spot, the Truth About Training for Your Body Type, the Benefits of Earthing & More

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about flexing or tensing while lifting vs. just moving the weight, whether a lot of people are overdoing it with diet and exercise, if there is any truth regarding somatotype, and their thoughts on grounding or earthing. Why everyone should squat. (6:56) The many benefits of Felix Gray products for your eye health.  (15:21) Metal Education with Justin Andrews. (19:08) Strange Science News with Sal: Tiny flying machines that monitor the environment. (37:28) Ancient footprints suggest humans lived in the Americas earlier than once thought. (42:08) Sal’s obsession with Organifi’s Pumpkin Spice is real. (44:08) What is Mind Pump currently watching? (45:02) The more muscle you have, the better your survivability from infection and disease. (48:58) Mind Pump is NOT anti-cardio. (50:59) #Quah question #1 – Are you supposed to flex or tense while lifting, or just move the weight? (54:43) #Quah question #2 – Do you find that a lot of people are overdoing it with diet and exercise? (59:37) #Quah question #3 – Is there any truth regarding somatotypes? (1:04:24) #Quah question #4 – What are your thoughts on grounding or earthing? (1:10:00) Related Links/Products Mentioned October Promotion: MAPS Anabolic and NO BS 6-Pack Formula – Get Both for $59.99!    Eugene Teo Post Mind Pump #1382: Why Everyone Should Squat Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Tiny electronic fliers could float like seeds on the breeze to monitor the environment Ancient Footprints Suggest Humans Lived In The Americas Earlier Than Once Thought Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Midnight Mass | Netflix Official Site Foundation | Apple TV+ Sex Education | Netflix Official Site The Morning Show | Apple TV+ Muscle strength and muscle mass as predictors of hospital length of stay in patients with moderate to severe COVID-19: a prospective observational study When is Cardio a Good Idea? - Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1567: How Not To Die From Heart Disease With Dr. Alo Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! How Lifting The RIGHT Way Can Help You Achieve Your Goals – Mind Pump Blog THE 3 SOMATOTYPES Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Eugene Teo (@coacheugeneteo)  Instagram Mind Pump Memes (@mindpump_memes)  Instagram Dr.Alo (@dr.alo)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Right, in today's episode we answered four fitness and health questions, but we opened the episode with an intro portion where we talk about current events, we talk about scientific studies,

we talk about our sponsors. Today's intro was 49 minutes long, after that we got to the questions. So we opened up by talking about a post by our friend Eugene Tao, who said, squats are really not necessary to develop great lower body muscles, strength, and functionality. We disagree.

Great your contrarian. Great discussion there. Then I talked about how I got my dad to start using Felix Gray blue blocking glasses. So far, so good, I'm going to get some feedback from him to help him with his sleep. By the way, Felix Gray also now makes an eye health supplement. So not only do they have the best blue light blocking glasses around that don't change the color of the world around you But they also have supplements that can help you with eye health or eye strain. Go check them out head over to Felix Gray glasses dot com That's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses dot com forward slash mind pump. Then Justin gives us an update. He went to Alabama

Yeah, to a metal concert did the Mosh Pit and everything. That's a lot of life. I survived. He did survive. Other people might not have though. I don't want to Mosh Pit with Justin. Then I talked about tiny flying machines, super small stuff that can go inside you, apparently, according to Justin.

Hey, I mean, I was thinking it. Then we talk about ancient humans. There were like nine species of humans, but we killed them all because we're the best ones. Then I talked about using the Organified Gold Juice on a regular basis. I've been using it every single night, noticing actually really, really good benefits from them. Right now they have pumpkin spice flavor, which is amazing. Go check out Organified.

They have lots of other products and supplements, all plant-based. They have a really good non-dairy protein powder as well. Head over to organify.com-flour-slash-mind-pump and then use the code MindPump for 20% off. Then we talked about some of our best shows on TV right now. I brought up Midnight Mass on Netflix. Justin talked about another show on Apple. Can't remember the name, what was it called?

Foundation. Foundation, that one sounded very interesting. Then I talked about a study showing that muscle mass and strength is Connected to better survivability from COVID Duh and then we talked about cardio. Everybody thinks that we're anti cardio. We are not So we talk about that in that part of the session. No hate here guys. Then we got to the questions Here's the first one that we answered. This person wants to know are you supposed to flex intense while lifting or just move the weight? The next question, this person wants to know if we think a

lot of people are just overdoing it with diet and exercise. The third question, this person wants to know if there's any truth to some auto types, you know, ectomorph, mesomorph, and endomorph. And then the final question, this person wants to know what we think about grounding or earthing. Also, all months long in October, we're running a massive, massive promotion, Maps and Obolic and the No BS6 Pack Formula, together for $59,99.

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huh what's really good on you when sizes that by the way because it's a little yeah it's a little bit extra small yeah tight that's a thing I mean it just hugs me because the material so nice you look beefier and I think you what's going on? What's what are you doing? I don't know man. I'm just still working out I just got back from hell. He's been drinking beer and mosh pitting. I didn't say batter Well, I said beat you look you look bloated in the arms You imagine say I've never in my life as a man said that to another man. Yeah, you look a little bloated You called me out the other day for saying,

that might make me cry. Did you, what did you say? When we were talking about my, my baths. I never wanted to do that. I feel that he asked about the, he asked about the, I know I should have fucking, whoops, and said, I just came right out of my mouth like that. You're way too honest, bro.

Some things get a hold on. And I was just bagged as it's paired with the, the bath, you know what I'm saying? The bubble bath going on here. I'm sure you got a bath, a little, a little bit. And I just bagged his paired with the bath. You know, I'm saying bubble bath going on here. And she got a bath a little bit a little bit of white. I was in my last lab. And it was the last night. Monday night, Monday night football going on on the counter on the TV and taking my little bath and my lights out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Little me time. That's good to know. Fight for those days. It's a dad now. You fight for

those times. You know, you know, so my brother, as we can, we can't. I wanna talk about the posts that we got tagged on, Eugene Tows, squat post, but before we do, I have to tell a story. My brother, he just had him and his wife just had a baby a few months ago, cute little boy, talked about this. And his wife was, you know, we're all talking. And I'm gonna have to have a conversation with my brother

because he's like I was when I first became a dad. He doesn't fully understand that he needs to help a little bit more like with the child-waring stuff So there's something they did She's going to the bathroom. So mom just had a baby two months ago. She's on the toilet go and pee or whatever He's playing with the baby and the baby starts crying. He walks into the bathroom with the cry baby. And hands in the baby. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I'm like bro, you better figure this out before you shake yourself.

The leading. Yeah, I know. Anyway, all right, so the squat post, this comes up a lot, dude. And you know what, Eugene Tau is a smart guy. So I want to say that. I like him, I like his post. He's a very smart guy. Yeah.

But we got tagged on his post because he kind of did that social media thing and he's smart about it where you counter something that's being said often and it does get you a lot of attention. Well, he opens it up with, in my opinion. So right out of gates, you get my respect and I'm not gonna debate that. It's his opinion, he's open to that opinion.

I think we could argue the other side but he's not really saying the squat isn't valuable. He's just saying that it's not necessary to develop big, strong squats. Or that machines have their value is what he's saying. The machines also have their value, which I agree. I think all these tools have their value, but it is hard to find a single But it is hard to find a single tool as valuable overall for the lower body as squats. It's hard to find one. I think he's also trying to point out an address,

which I also agree with is this, you know, just over generalization that everybody should be squatting right away, because the truth is everybody should work towards that, I believe, and stand behind that. But I don't necessarily believe that everybody should be squatting because there's a lot of people that can't squat with good technique and new risk injury. So I think he's covering that, that kind of movement right now,

like we talk about how CrossFit really brought back the deadlift in the squat. And now you have everybody starting to do, all these weekend warriors getting out there and trying to hit PRs when they have terrible mechanics. And so I think he's trying to address that, which and I agree with that. I think that everybody shouldn't just jump in there and start loading a barbell and trying to do astergrass squat when they don't have good technique. But I think the thing where I will always defend the squat and where the problem I have with like a post like that is that it discourages

I just right away I go back to you know teenage me or 22 year old me even and I would read a post like that just a five yeah a really intelligent He's a very intelligent coach and trainer. You look amazing. He's strong and look I would you know if he was older or same Age me I'd look up to him and go oh that guy, he tells me I don't need a squat. Like, I would continue to avoid it. And, and that, I guess that's fine if all you want to do is develop your quads. But the squat ended up being so beneficial for me personally and clients that I've trained at the pursuit to get a good squat. Because very few people can do a good looking squat.

And there's a lot of things that are broken down that it highlights that so well. And the pursuit of getting a good squad has so many benefits in itself versus throwing that person into a hack squad, a leg extension, a leg press. You don't have to address any of those deviations. Well, and I ran his post too. He was kind of coming at a lot of the strength coaches

for highlighting a backloaded squad, is like the gold standard of squatting. And in terms of that being something that you lead up to, inevitably kind of displaying the ultimate strength of that, which I tend to lean towards. I agree. And I agree with that, whereas he disag strength of that, which I tend to lean towards. I agree. You know, and I agree with that. Whereas he disagrees with that and thinks that, you know, you can just, you know, get the same kind of value out of,

of these machines, if your goal is only to, to have muscular development and, and just focus on, hypertrophy and your aesthetics. But, you know, I would still argue that, in terms of overall, function every day life and longevity, you're gonna run into some real issues if that's all you're doing. Yeah, let's back up for a second.

Okay, let's just talk about the squat without weight. Just being able to go down in a squat comfortably with good mobility and good control is a fundamental human movement. So let's imagine now 500 years into the future, we don't have to walk anymore. We're on these floating devices that take us everywhere.

They're really good at what they do. And there's really no use to walk at all. And somebody comes across and says, maybe a fitness person in the future says, hey, there's a lot of benefit to walking regularly and learning how to walk. And people argue, no, no, there isn't. You could do other strengthening exercises.

You don't have to walk. There are more benefits to walking than just the fact that you're walking. It's part of how we evolve. Squatting is that as well. If you go back a thousand years and you couldn't sit in a squat, you were big time dysfunctional. In fact, go to third world countries

and watch people working or resting. How are they doing it? In a squat position, they're not sitting on the floor. Why do they sit in a squat? Well, first of all, if you go to the bathroom and poop, and by the way, those squatty potty, why do those so effective for people? Because that's how we pooped in the past. It puts your body in really good position.

But why don't they sit on the floor? If you're out in nature, first of all, you're not that mobile if you're sitting down. It's hard to move to the sides. Number two, if you need to get up and move real quickly, well, now you're out in nature, first of all, you're not that mobile if you're sitting down. It's hard to move to the sides. Number two, if you need to get up and move real quickly, well, now you're vulnerable to being attacked by an animal or if your kid needs you or whatever. So they sit in a squat. In fact, yesterday I was going for a walk

and one of my neighbors had their parents visiting and their parents were from, you could tell from, maybe a not as developed country. And I saw this grandma, she was sitting outside and she was gardening in a squat. This is an old lady, she must have been 80. It's awesome. And she's sitting in a squat and she's gardening

and pulling weeds and stuff. And that's, we should be able to do that. So not being able to do something that's fundamental to our anatomy, something that we evolve doing means that you're missing out on so much more than just developing your claws and your hamstrings and your claws. Also a point, I don't remember the name of the guys, there was the body mechanics or we went down to LA and we went and kind of visited them.

They have real unconventional methods, but one thing that highlighted about the squat was how it would depressurize your body. You have a lot of internal pressure built up that we don't necessarily always get rid of and we carry with us. The squat is one of those positions that really helps to be able to express all of that out. It's how women gave birth.

This is how women gave birth for most of human histories. I would sit in a squat. It's how women gave birth. This is how women gave birth for most of human history. I would sit in a squat. It's how we relaxed it. It's how we hung around each other. We didn't have chairs for a long time. We didn't have toilets for a long time. It's a fundamental human movement.

And so what is squatting with weight, dude? It just strengthens this fundamental human movement. But you should be able to do this anyway. And if you can't, avoiding it is a big problem. And that can you develop nice quads and hamstrings and stuff not doing it? Sure. But what are you missing out on a lot? You're missing out on a lot. And that's the main problem I have with this stance is not that he's not right. Like I don't the way he worded everything and he set it up. I don't just he's smart. Yeah, I do not disagree with what he's saying. The only thing that I have to say

about posts like that is it discourages a lot of people that should probably learn how to squat. smart. Yeah, I do not disagree with what he's saying. The only thing that I have to say about post-like that is it discourages a lot of people that should probably learn how to squat. That's it. And I can know that because I was that kid. I would love to hear that, that I don't need to, because it was hard and I was terrible at it. And I hurt my low back when I did it. And so, yeah, okay, I'll just avoid it. And I'll leg press and do all these other machines. And yeah, that got me by for a good 10 years of training. But when I started to address all those issues that kept me from, you know, that limited me from doing a good squat, the overall benefit that I got. You're a little back pain went away. Yeah, completely. So

and then and what I've seen that for clients, you know, I get a client that just can't perform a squat. And I point out all the reasons why they can't. And that's the way we measure. We don't get on the hack squat and go like, oh yeah, that was a good hack squat. No, I have a squat that I saw the way you squatted our video or took a picture of where you were. And now we've worked towards that. And now we go back and it's hard to do that with a machine and be able to be objective. Yeah, well, I just, for me, I like to look at the body holistically and all the systems holistically

and the movements holistically. And so to avoid something that is the ultimate expression of that with the backloin squat, I think, I have problems with that. It's segmenting it out and taking each one of those movements and just isolating certain muscle groups and trying to build and develop those, there's it out and like, you know, taking each one of those movements and just isolating certain muscle groups and trying to build and develop those, you know, there's definite value to that,

especially if you're not getting a lot of response out of certain muscle groups. But in terms of like addressing the overall performance of your body, we need to really incorporate those compound lists. Agreed. Speaking of holistic, I gotta tell you guys, I am slowly getting my dad to incorporate

a lot of the stuff that we talk about. So you guys know how I tell him a few things now. I have. And because each time I tell him to do something and he does it and he notices, now each time I tell him something else, he's way more like confident, like I'll give that a try. So now I got my dad trying Felix Gray glasses. Good night. Yeah, so over the weekend, so he calls me up on Friday and he's like, hey, Sal, what are you doing tomorrow? So I know he's okay, he's gonna need something.

So I'm like, well, I'm not doing much, what can I do for you? And he goes, well, there's a motorcycle that I wanna go look at because I might buy it. It's in Santa Barbara, so I want to drive there and back tomorrow. Like, oh my God, dude, right. You want to drive all the way down there and back? But my dad is the kind of person.

He never says no to me when I ask him for something. So I can't say no to my dad, plus it's an opportunity to hang out. So we got in the car and we drove, and we had great conversation the whole time, and my dad told me how he's been waking up like at two or three a.m. Just awake and he's like,

I don't know what the hell it is. It's like, I can't get any better sleep. And I said, you know, are you watching TV or are you on your iPad right before you go to bed? And he goes, yeah. And so I explained how the brain needs time to know that it's night time and it doesn't produce as much melatonin.

And so I said, if you wear glasses that block the blue light, it should help you with your sleep. So I gave him a pair of Felix Gray's and he's trying them out. Oh wow. Yeah, so I'll know. He hasn't reported back yet, has he? Hasn't reported back yet, but I'm assuming he's gonna,

like everybody else, he's gonna have good results from that. You know what, you bring it up, Felix, I just remember it. I wanted you to look into, so you guys know that they have a supplement now. Oh, I saw. It's called Insight. I actually had somebody ask me about it. I had remember it. I wanted you to look into so you guys know that they have a supplement now. It's called insight Yep, I actually had somebody ask me about it. I had no idea. They're like, hey, what do you think about the Felix Gray supplement? I feel great supplement. You mean their glasses? No, I have a supplement. So they put so it's a supplement that has

Astazanthin lutein and ZFanthin and then bilberry fruit extract. So these are all compounds that have been shown to reduce basically eye damage from UV rays to maintain eye health, reduce inflammation, and they're all proven in studies. So it's an eye health supplement. You know what's funny is I had one client, actually that one of the clients that trained the longest, that trained this woman for 13 years, Mondays at 3pm, every Monday at 3pm, Carol, I love her. And she had, I can't remember now at the top of my head, what do they do when they replace the witch and McCall in your eye? Cat or X surgery. So she had cat or X surgery. And these compounds are what her eye doctor, it you would take them separately. All the time, yeah, to keep maintaining the health

of right. So these are all proven compounds. I think it's interesting that they're getting in the supplement market. Do you know what, which ones of those, like I don't know what foods you would eat to get those. Some of them sound so foreign to me. I don't know if I've even known them. You know, that's a good question.

I don't. Carats are what are known for eyesight, right? So what's dominant in carrots that is? Well, I think they say that for vitamin A, is that why? Yeah, but these are more these are different. They're not essential like vitamins or micronutrients rather than their antioxidants and compounds that have been shown to have eye health benefits in their own right so and what's interesting is they also have other Benefits so those all have lots of health benefits aside from helping the eyes.

So it is interesting, right? And I wonder if this is going to be more, more valuable because eye health seems to be degrading because of how much for you. For use screen time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. How many just inundated with blue light constantly.

So yeah, I think if they can find any angle in that direction to kind of address it, I think it's going to be valuable. Now, I did want they can find any angle in that direction to kind of address it I think it's gonna be valuable. Now I did want to ask you something Justin I noticed you had a couple like look like you scuffed your hands a little bit. I know you went to Alabama Yeah, you went to Alabama for a heavy metal. What was this like festival? Like I want to hear all about this Yeah, dude, so okay. I saw Kill Switch and Gage was there. Yeah, so that was probably one of the only

familiar bands I think that people would recognize. And so I guess you'd call this genre kind of hardcore metal or hardcore. It's not even death metal. It's more in the hardcore side because they have like kind of a punk. So East Coast hardcore, a lot of the guys are straight edgers and it's like a gang.

So there's this whole culture around this kind of stuff that's very unique to this specific genre. We don't do drugs, but we'll keep your ass over it. Exactly, somebody smokes cigarette, they would beat them up. That kind of thing. Really? Yeah, dude, it was crazy. So many smokes cigarette, like they would like, beat them up, like that kind of. Really? Yeah, dude.

It was crazy. Straight edges are crazy. So what is that? Okay, yeah, you're at the school meal on all this. I don't know any of this. What is a straight edger and what makes a straight edger different than a death metal guy? Straight edges are, well, they're usually

into like the hardcore scene more, which is like, it's a tighter community. It's like, I mean, the shows are different. But what is straight edge or mean? Straight edge just means that you don't do drugs. You don't suppose you don't do that. Oh, that's what that means. Is that why you said that?

Yeah. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. Like, they've taken, like, I'm not gonna do drugs and they've made it like a gang almost. Well, and so it's like they have all this like, crazy energy now, like, where are they gonna pour it? They gotta like, you know turn them Violin outlets I guess

We're angry because we're not high. It spoke to me as a kid. No drugs are alcohol this thing. No, there was It's just it okay. So there's there's just for commercial repressions. We tell everybody we're straight edge No, the bands are straight at people going were were probably. People go, like, well, in some, and they build followings that, you know, are part of like certain bands have shows together where it's like a whole bunch of straight edges. Or like, yeah, our guys are just into the hardcore kind of punk scene. And then like, there's mixed in with that

has been like, metal, and then also like, like, Christian metal. And then the Southern kind of. I wanna hear Chris Chrazy. No, like red. Red's one of those bands. I know you know red, don't you? Red.

Yeah, yeah. You were with me one time when we were in Vegas, Center Hurting Play. Oh, maybe, yeah. I'll play a song for you guys. I like it. So living sacrifice is one of those and also beloved, which put on an amazing show.

Like I did. So, little background. So for me, like I was, I was basically like this angry kid. And I remember, yeah. So I had issues, like psychological issues, like that I just, you know, would bury. And then my outlet was like metal, dude. So I was not allowed to play anything with swear words

or anything in my house. And, you know, my parents were very much You know very strict and so I found a hack and that was Christian metal And so like my first band was like the crucified and they didn't play but the next one from there was living sacrifice and they are so heavy It's just like people like had no idea. Like they're just... Jesus loved you! I just...

I just can't help but she like this. Yeah, it's like an oxymoron, bro. It is. It's like that, but like they started to get really good. It started out some cheesy bands, right? And to be embarrassed to like say that like, Oh yeah, I like, I love these guys. Like I go to their shows, but they started getting really good in popular.

So anyway, so there was some of those bands were there, and that's why I was excited to go because it was part of my childhood, growing up with these bands, and there's a very, very small scene of people that really get it, and had similar issues as me growing up, I think. Now, did you mosh pit?

Did you get in the mosh pit? So I was like, I wasn't gonna do it, but I can't help it, dude. I wasn't gonna do it. I was like, I don't know. You knew you were gonna go to the bottom. You brought your mosh and shoes and everything. I don't know how to do my mosh and shoes.

I was ready to go, dude. I was armed and ready to go. Yeah, I got up to, well, I couldn't help it because some of the bands just, it's almost like memory lane and then you're like, oh my god, this song, and you know, then, and then you're like, oh my god, this song. And you know, then, so the thing about hardcore, yeah, this is my song.

They have breakdowns, the most vicious breakdowns. Like regular metal shows, they just play really loud and it's good music, whatever. There's like circle pits. So the thing about these pits that are different is like people just go fucking nuts. Like they start punching the air kicking, stage diving, like, do you say someone lost an eye?

Somebody lost, this is what I heard from one of the forums that they talk later about, you know, how the show's went. As anyone seen, a blue eye, do you know, you know, if that guy's okay, then they carted it off, that was like holding his eyes all blood everywhere. And so, yeah, so so mayhem did happen. And I was definitely involved in some of the bigger pits there. But the thing is, if you know what to do and you know, like sort of you're spacing, and there's code, if you're a big beefy, strong, a big

pit guy, well, I mean, a new shirt. Yeah, there's that. There's that. I mean, people in there aren't really like looking to hurt other people. It's just more of like this weird, like crazy violent dance outlet thing. I don't know how to describe it.

Now, did you get hit? Did somebody hit somebody? Like, what happened? Dude, I have no idea, but like, I was like, I was like just seeing it before it happened. Like, I was, you know what it was was like was when I do those heart swings out there at the Indian clubs. Like I was like, my arms were like this almost he's closer eyes, faster feeling is just there. Nobody was getting inside this, this energy field.

You, okay, I'm so, I'm so fascinated by the, the, the, the, the genre is within the genres here. I just, I would just say death metal is death metal and it's anything that's like beyond, like to me, there's like a heavy metal, which I think, Metallica, Pantera, yeah. Adam Carr, then there goes, yeah, then they just goes, everything is, that is, they're like thrash.

I feel like everything up to that is death metal. Adam characterizes it as I understand, and then everything else I do. And then this is completely gone. Yeah, like I started with like, yeah, what people properly know as metal, and then I went, I kept getting more and more into it, and finding out there's a lot of levels to this game.

Now let me ask you this, because I know that there's a lot of levels to this game. Now let me ask you this, because I know that there's a lot of stereotypes with, actually any community. Now I've never been to a metal concert, I've never been in a mosh pit, but I have met because I like that kind of music to lift to. That's the only kind of music, that's the only time I listen to it,

is when I'm working out really hard. And I've met other people who are like super into that kind of music. And at first I was always shocked by how friendly every year. I thought like there would be this angry whatever. The coolest people ever, and that's just my personal experience.

What's it like going to, is it like that? Or does it feel like really? It was like, it was this weird surreal kind of love fest. Like, I swear to God, it was like violence everywhere, but everybody was like, I was picking up dudes that fell, you know, and slipped on some beer or something, and like, we're getting pummeled, and I'm like, we're all just stopping it,

we pick them up, we throw them back in. You know, it's just like, it's one of those things. You're right, like, a couple, you know, bloody nose, keep going, you know? But we look out for each other. It's a couple, you know, bloody nose, keep going. You know, but we look out for each other. It's a strange, like unique community. Now is everybody super cool, nice? Is it a total sausage fest?

Cause I have a tough time thinking there's gonna be girls there. It's such a sausage fest, but there's, and I'm always baffled in the sausage. You're the girls that go. What'd you say? It's the good kind of sausage. It's the good kind of sausage. It's the good kind of sausage. It's a spicy sausage.

But do you see any girls at all? Yeah, dude, there was girls here. And there was one like in the pit and she was like, this tiny cute little girl that was just like, ah, like really into it and it's just funny because like the rest of us were like, okay, let's kind of make a wall around her so she's gonna get like nailed. of us are like, okay, let's kind of make a wall around her so she's gonna get like nailed.

You know, like, so you want to hear something? So we're all like looking out for her not to get like punched. So I used to have, there was this girl that trained very short per time and she was a total metalhead and she would go in these mountains. She was tiny. She was like 90 pounds. It's a little tiny thing. Tatted up and whatever.

Yeah. Super cool chick. And I asked her that, I'm like, don't you feel, aren't you scared? And she goes, no, she goes, it's the safest I ever feel, is when I go to these concerts because all the men there become super protective of me.

Is that what it's like? 100%. That's why I'll receive. Yeah, it is funny that everybody's just tat it. I was like, it's so good that like I'm too old now. And speaking of old, everybody there was over 40 easily. There was no kids. Was that because most of these bands

started a long time ago? Yeah, okay. They're all angry for different reasons now. Yeah. Yeah. My wife, Jackson's. Oh, fuck. Yeah, we're raging about taxes.

I can't connect with my son. Yeah, man, dates. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're raging about taxes. I can't connect with my son. Yeah, man, dates. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're raging about now. People driving too fast. My lawn die far. Now, be honest, right? Because I mean, obviously there's some nostalgia there

and so on that, but when you decided that you were going to do this, because sometimes I do stuff, right, that I remember I love so much. And it's been decades since I did it. And then I do it, and I'm kind of like That'll probably be the last time I ever do Yes, I think I could check that off as I'm done with that now like what what how did you feel about it like? Yeah

Yeah, I mean there was some some of those kind of moments like I know In terms of like trying to get into everybody and like being the crowd and all that, I was just like, like I would rather be in the pit because it's open, but for the most part, I was cool just standing off to the side and like watching and enjoying the actual madness of the music. It's, and I totally recognize that it's like a lot of people in the outside will just look at it as just screaming in noise, you know, like I totally admit that. I'm like, yes, like that's totally part of it. But there's so many like if you are into it, like you hear all the differences of it.

And like who does it well? And who has like, you know, real good musicianship behind it? And so I was, I was definitely more like less, less about like getting in there and getting my energy out and like, you're so analyzing it. You're so analyzing it and then pulling myself back and being like, oh, this is why I love this band. So what, okay, so then what are some ways that I know, like, oh, this guy's generic or

like, what, what are things that make it stand out? It's like, yes, good question. Yeah. So there's definitely bands out there that will overuse fuck all the time. And they, they, this is the power word. Yeah, dude, it's a cheap trick. You know, it's, it's one of those things they're going to get an emotional response from the crowd.

You're like, fuck yeah, let's fucking do this. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. You're like, bro, like, you don't have to overuse it. You know, like, save it for the impactful moments. Or, you know, let your music like do that. I always respected the bands more that their music would kind of like take you on this journey and then it would peak so hard that like everybody

would go berserker because you'd hit this like moment where you'd see, and this happened with August Burns Red. It was one of the best bands that played. They're just so tight musician ship that it got to a point where everybody knew this breakdown was coming. And all of a sudden, I was getting pushed and everybody was getting pushed aside.

And it opened up. It was the biggest... I had to... It took me five minutes, it it seemed to run all the way around and get to the other side because it opened up so big. So we're, so we're, so we're running across. I was wondering, like, Lord, my shoulder into somebody and locked them down, pick them back up.

As the concert climaxes, so does the Mosh Pit Hole? Yeah, yeah, it peeks, dude, and then the whole bro's big like this emotional release. That's what music does. You know that, that's what music does. It gets everybody to feel together. You know that, you've been to country music concerts wherever you're going.

Well, I mean, you have, you know. Yeah, so I have actually been to all of it. And I would actually, I'm trying to think where you would categorize some of these bands that I've seen, I don't even remember. I would think they'd be more punk. So you have punk, you have heavy metal, you've got... So punk in the hardcore is very similar because so punk does a lot of these anthem chants

and things where they get crowd involvement. So they're a lot better at like bringing the crowd like even on stage and they let like mayhem happen. So the hardcore bands, you see guys just like backstage running and almost hitting the lead singer and pushing and jumping and stage diving and then, you know, people are climbing up and then grabbing the mic and singing the anthem with them. And, you know, they're like in the crowd, you know, letting them be completely a part of the show. So it's a totally different kind of mentality. But it's cool if you're like, that's your scene. But if you're just in the back listening, it sounds like shit.

I would have loved it. I think that would have been awesome. It's fun. I wouldn't have loved the band in their interacting with you. It's super fun. Not a jibbutti's going on the mosh pit with you. So my one buddy did, the other one was like, he was the sort of smart one, but it was funny

because he went up to kind of watch the man close and I was watching because I was taking a breath from my, I didn't want to get in the pit and he kept like pushing me in the back and I thought it was just some random person kept like nudging me, like push, push. And then the third one, he pushed me real hard. And almost went in, I turned around,

like I'm gonna punch somebody. Oh my, it was him, and I'm like, oh, he got me. But you try to, you try to stoke me, you know? Oh you. Yeah. I almost got me to kill someone to do. Oh, it was just punch somebody. Didn't, did you see any of, any more of Alabama,

or was it just that? No, I mean, we went to like a bar that was close by, that had this like cool, like sort of beer garden, just to catch a breath of fresh air and like, you know, but no, there wasn't really a whole lot else going on, but I mean, beautiful weather, there's like 70 degrees and breezy. Awesome. Yeah.

Yeah, you would go to one of these? I would just watch. I find it so fast. Yeah, it would be really interesting to watch you at a concert. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm not a huge concert person. And the people watching was off.

Wait, how was it? That's the worst fist bump ever in my life. I feel like. You know, I'm like, you're like the universal move for all concerts that I would bring you to. No, I so, you know, so I had an experience like you said,

where you do something when you're younger and then when you're older, you go, I did that in EDM concert So I was in my mid 30s and there was like this big EDM thing that happened in San Jose I like you guys know that idiot. So here's a funny thing. I love it's perfect Death metal. Yeah, and I like EDM, which I don't know if they go together But I went to an EDM concert and I'm and we're in there and I'm looking around I'm like wow I look like a narc like either I'm a drug dealer or I'm a narc.

Hey kids, you got some drugs? Yeah, because I'm the only person over 25. Yeah, I'm so pleased. Dude, that's fun. That's funny. I got called out for, and I know it was kind of like, people aren't into what I'm into. Like in terms of like kind of displaying the concerts

and like, you're worse than one of those like, you know, girl in fish than one of those, like, you know, girl in fishnet going to EDM concert, you know, just like showing us all the concert. I'm like, what when you're doing the Mind Put Media page? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. People hating.

Let's get in call down on the way you're doing the music. I know. I would like to see you in the mosh pit. Was there anybody? I know. I have some footage. I'll make sure and add it. I mean, it's a big concert. Any Mind Put Moistitors actually listening to that music too?

Yeah, yeah, so I didn't think anybody did, especially from the response. We have cool, come on. Let's say we have cool fans. Yeah, of course they do. There's some hardcore people out there, dude. I ran into like five people. Wow.

One of them, I forget her name, but it was great because she saw me and I was like, oh, I've been one of the live events. And then she actually used that to cut in line. It was great because she saw me and was like, oh, I've been one of the live events. And then she actually used that to cut in line and get a drink because I was in this line for like an hour and when she found out she's not in a line, she's like, but I know you. So I call her out for that, but smart.

You know, smart. I knew what you were doing. That's awesome. Just so you know. I want to see the video of you in the Mosh Pit so bad Yeah, I thought you did post a video. I'm not sure I posted the one where I was actually in cuz my friend was filming it and Yeah, I think he did dude. You don't remember that I think I must have not seen you know you don't want paying attention I was I was yeah, you don't watch you don't watch either one of our stories do huh? Just your own huh? No, I watch I watch your story sometimes

That's just a meme guy. That's not true anytime you post something with your son. I call it Okay, yeah, anytime. Yeah, I don't want to be fear if you're by yourself Please speak of memes and picking on you right now. Please tell me you saw the mind-pop memes of one of you Oh my god, that was so good. That's my favorite one shirtless one. Yes One of you. Oh my god. That was so good. That's my favorite shirtless one. Yes. Yeah. Sal getting ready for the podcast. I got really uncomfortable watching that. Oh my god. It looked way on due to this grill. And he's smiling. That was the best one. Yeah. I mean, it looked pretty strong. The tech on that. That's an app.

You just use a freaking app. If you didn't see his grill, I would think you would think that was you completely. It was so good. The tech is getting so weird. The tech is getting so weird. The tech is getting so weird. You guys realize this is scary. We're like 10 years away from it getting so good

that I won't know the difference between you and me. That's wild. That's going to be weird, bro. It's going to be cool. I know. That's going to be strange. I bet you it's going to be the future. You know, you talked about the evolution of like

political cartoons and memes, right? Like memes are like this new thing. Watch gonna be the future. You know, you talked about the evolution of like, political cartoons and memes, right? Like memes are like this new thing. Watch that be the thing. Like it'll be, you know, making these videos of your buddies and friends all the time will be like the new thing to do. Because it's so good and accurate. You're like, oh, look at how caught you doing this. And you know, it'd be like funny shit.

That's gonna go. Well, I'm just afraid how it'll be used against people, you know, like someone wants to fuck with you. You think politics right away. Of course, I think of all that. So things speaking against people, you know, like someone wants to fuck with you. You think politics right away? Of course, I think of all that. The things speaking of which, they did you, okay, so trip off this, right? So they invented, you ready for this? Tiny flying machines, smaller than a grain of sand.

These are microchips that glide and fly in the air, and they report back information. And so scientists have created literally, literally, literally, whoa. You didn't think of that at all. You're like, mini-pullers. That's huge. No, they have like little wings. I'll pull it up right now because it's, yeah, dude, it's, it's, it's trippy. Now the way they want to use it, so these are called micro flyers,

and they think that they can throw them in the air. I want to see a picture. And monitor pollution, airborne diseases, environmental contaminants. That's not why I created them. Yeah, they could provide, they could form a massive wireless network, gathering important,

invaluable environmental data. Do what? But I'm just thinking like, dude, they could spread these all over the air and just watch everybody. Should we do locusts? Yeah, dude. Smaller just thinking like do they could spread these all over the air and just watch everybody locusts. Yeah, dude Smaller than a grain of sand and you know, I didn't even think they could go inside you but now I'm freaked out Yeah, like they make him any small you breathe it in. Yeah, you know, nice thing. You know, you have a manufactured disease How how tiny are the people that have to build these things?

Little kebler elves I think so. Yeah. Little keyboard else. Right? And normal person with normal hands can't build stuff like that. It's engineering. Not possible. This children. Children build. I don't know. That's a great point, Adam. That's hilarious.

Yeah, I mean, but it's pretty crazy. Is that what it looks like right there? I don't know what the hell that was. What is that, Doug? That's what they are. Micro flyers. Yeah, dude. I didn't even think of that though, Justin,

because that's interesting. I wonder if they could have you inhale something like this and then it could report back or deliver medicine to the body. I know that at some point they'll be able to make nanotechnology, they'll be able to inject into your body. Well, that's sort of the real futuristic kind of stuff out there that they're making breakthroughs with,

which is gonna change the whole landscape, but I hope it's for the best, but my skeptical brain is always alarmed. Look how small those are right there. Doesn't that feel like superhero technology? Yeah, and that's something that actually records to report back. It's a microchip, that's a microchip right there. That can fly.

It's so small. I love Adam Skepticism, by the way. Yeah, that's not true. It's a microchip. That's a microchip right there. That can fly. That's so small. I love Adam Skepticism, by the way. Yeah, that's not true. It's immediately not true. I didn't say it's not true. I'm just curious how this works. It doesn't make no sense to me. That's wild, man.

Do you see, I think I added in the thread too, that there was this other spotting of like a military spaceship that like, they're like, oh my god, this has to be like a UFO where yeah so it was okay this is not a valid source right it's Sun I think that's one of those it's like those wolf boy and yeah but it was loaded on this truck and this guy's taking a video and it looked it looked possible like it could be made like it's a you know a stealth bomber, but it was like even more aerodynamically crazy.

So I don't know if you can pull it up or not, Doug, but yeah, it looks like it's feasible. So I'm like, wow, I wonder if they're getting even more advanced in that direction. So here's what I always wonder with stuff like that. Whenever stuff leaks out or somebody, like a normal bystander, films a military thing and it goes out, I wonder how much of that is manufactured.

You know, because I have to admit, I have to think, excuse me, that the military would be better than driving a spaceship on the freeway some dude can film. I wonder how much of this is them flexing on other countries kind of an upside-ways way. We got, we got. Or making them, we think that this is all we have when really we have five steps ahead of that. Yeah, that's right. I think it's more likely that like anything that we hear about

We're we're far more advanced. Well, dude you guys know that the okay, so the first war in Iraq Desert storm. I think that was what was called what was that name was that 1991 Doug The first one right this bush senior right yeah, we go to the same one. I think that's about correct. The first one, right? This bush senior, right? Yeah. We go in there before I rocky freedom. Right. And that was the first time we unveiled

the stealth technology, stealth bombers. Before that, nobody even knew that they existed. And it had been around for like 50 years before that. I think we created them in the 70s or 60s. Yeah, it was a long time ago. Yeah, and so it was like, here's something cool that we made 30 years ago. So what the, what do they have now?

That's why I feel like some of the stuff that they're doing with UFOs is their sideways way of saying, by the way, we have technology that can go super fast, underwater, above water, do all this weird stuff. So, you know, if you mess with us or whatever. Right. Did you guys see the post that Joe Rogan did? He did the footprint, you didn't see that mess with us or whatever, right? Did you guys see the post that Joe Rogan did? He did the footprint.

You didn't see that? What? Pull up his Instagram, but I think it was... I saw his freedom, uh, brand. No, no, I thought, I mean, which I thought was right. This is stuff that Justin and you are way more into. That's why I thought for sure you guys would have already seen it. It was like, it just, it came...

I might have seen it, yeah. Yeah, it was like a footprint that dates back further than what we think home, home, home your opapiens were on earth. Home opapiens? Home opapiens, would I home home your sapiens were on our homo sapiens. Homo sapiens. What do I say home? Home. Home. Home.

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So Neanderthals, then you have modern humans, which appeared, I think, around 10,000 years ago, there were like seven or eight other, maybe seven other human species that all started to disappear. There's like seven or eight of them. There's like the red. There's like the red deer people of China. There's like seven or eight of them. There's like the red, there's like the red deer people of China, there's the dinosaurs, there's the neothols,

and the dinosaurs, they sit across the great bearing straight and then made the rate of the America. So there's all these different types of humans and many of them displayed intelligence, many of them displayed art and toolmaking, but basically modern humans and here's the theory, because modern humans have the DNA of all of these. So different parts of Europe, Asia, Africa, you'll see more Neanderthal, more Denisovian, more whatever, right? They think because that DNA is in our DNA that we killed it we banged them and killed them.

So basically we out competed them probably because we were better at making weapons and war. Just like that game murder Mary kill. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And we but we also you know made it with them. But so they say that we're the ones that killed them all off because we all contributed. Yeah, that's a lot. I didn't realize it with that many. I always thought that we're like yeah, lots of different species. Yeah, isn't that interesting? all contribute to them. Yeah, that's a lot. I didn't realize it with that many. I always thought that we were like, yeah, I know. Lots of different species. Wow. Isn't that interesting?

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just start to chill out before bed. Yeah, speaking of before bed, I watched a new series on Netflix. I watched the first episode, Midnight Mass. Have you guys said that? No, I haven't seen scary, isn't it? Yeah, it's a little scary. Yeah, damn it. It's already out.

It's not that scary. Okay, so the Jumper Watch... I was just waiting for you to bring something good. Did you ever watch the hunting of Hill House? No. You even asked everybody to told you it was so good? It's so good. It's not that scary.

It's not that jump of that time. It's not that scary. It's not that, it's not that, jump of that time. Jump of that scared. It's that I just have no interest in that. I bet if you watched it, you would like it. Maybe. It's really well made and written. Anyway, midnight mass, I only watched the first episode. Looks like it's gonna be fucking amazing, dude.

It looks like it's gonna be really good. Same writers and everything. So, I'll tell you guys all about it. You need a cosine before I wash it for sure. I said you need a fucking cosine before I wash it for sure. I said you need a fucking cosine before I wash it. So you're gonna start building it back up I think with that I'm a doug.

But you know what, I'm still in cell. I'll give it a whirl. Yeah, what do you guys, you guys were talking about a show earlier. Yeah, foundations, one of those I've been excited about the whole time and I guess like over the weekend it launched and I haven't got a chance to watch it I'm like so antsy to watch it. I don't want anybody tell me anything

Yeah, you'll be excited. It's got three episodes already so you can watch it I started it but I actually he was doing something else and quickly realized like oh this is gonna be one of those shows that There's gonna be lots of character development and I gotta be paying attention because they're using words in terms Yeah talking about stuff that I'm not familiar with. I'm like, okay, I'll watch this another time. So it looks, I mean, graphically. And it's only on Apple. I can't watch it in New York. Yeah, it's on Amazon.

Yeah, it's on Amazon, right? No. God, I gotta send it for something else now. Yeah. Well, they do, they put a lot of money into this thing. So, I mean, I, yeah, I expect they're just gonna keep it on that platform. I'm watching a clickbait right now, which is pretty good.

So I'm, how far am I into that right now? I'm a handful episodes into it right now, and it's got me sucked into it. I say four or five episodes into it. Have you got to the third season of sex education yet? I know you were on the second season. No, I have, no, I have it. I'm like, many other ways to do it.

Have you been watching? Calerius. It's pretty funny. It's really good, dude. I thought it'd show. You know what they do in that, too, is they, and I know, I mean, they throw every single possible type of individual in this on purpose. So you have like a non-binary person, of course, you know, gay people in straight, but whatever.

But the way they do it is actually quite smart. They don't make a huge necessarily big deal about things. They're just kids kind of figuring it out. Yeah, and there's the one relationship. So there's the main character Otis and his best friend. I can't remember his name. It's the Nigerian kid who's like very flamboyantly gay. Yeah. But they show their friendship very genuinely.

I really appreciate it. It's not a big deal and they're saying. That's what makes it different. Yeah. You know what else is like? Either one of you guys watch Morning Show? No, I know what you're talking about though. You watch Morning Show.

Are you up to date on the season? Not yet, but getting there. So I think they do, like I, Katrina and I were just talking about this because we were on the new season just got released and so we're up to date on that. And they do a really good job of addressing the kind of political climate and both sides without feeling like they have a buy.

Like you feel like they have a buy it. You feel like they do a good job of developing a character on each side that maybe you might gravitate more, too, but it doesn't. And they're all likable? Yes, and they're all very likable. So it's really well done.

We're normally in the point you're making with sex education, I feel like you watch a show and it's like quickly the way they present a position or a character I can tell right away like okay that's their device. But when I'm wrapped into a show and maybe I think they have a biceous way but then also and they counter that with another character that's very likable and you go oh shit like yeah I can't see where they're coming from I really appreciate more than I ever have

before I don't think I ever really paid attention to that. So much like older shows, like kind of like either their political view or where their bias is versus that way these guys are riding is I feel like it's really well balanced and it's just a nice way to watch a show like that. Yeah, I appreciate that too. Oh, well, one quick thing, a study came out on muscle mass and COVID and they found significant reduction that was connected to the amount of muscle mass you have and severe COVID or hospitalization. So more muscle, far less likely, just muscle, muscle and strength.

These are grips, as in it's more protective. Yes, very protective. Now that's obvious. I was just gonna say, come on, this is kind of like a hot. Yeah, but people need to hear that. Trust me, I was around people as we got to. So we gotta need to hear that. That's so crazy to me that you would need to hear that though,

because in order for you to build, the more muscle you build in the frame, the more you have to be dialed in nutritionally and more often that you have, you can't just build, you're not gonna just build muscle out of thin air, you're gonna have to go in and put the work in. So you'll have to exercise strength train.

In addition to that, eat the nutrients that are required to build that and sustain that. So, what? Yeah, but they were just showing muscle strength. And you're right, I think there's so much more connected to it, but how many times have we heard like, oh, just because people exercise or just because people, this is their like, if you're stronger,

you're less likely to have all these severe symptoms, which is, I mean, obvious to us. I mean, I would think that's obvious. I think you can connect that to cancer and all kinds of other things too, right? Of course, yeah, so. To me, it's kind of a very obvious, you know, study to come out and say that.

It's like, but if you're, I mean, you think that there's people that don't get that, that really, that's crazy, I do. I think people don't realize this. I've been around that just recently. Think about the average person. If you think of the average person, and you ask, forget like a fitness fanatic or a person that listens to our show, you take the average person, you say, you know, what kind of workouts will help you improve your immunity?

Oh, yeah, you got to do like running and cycling and that's also true. But then ask them, do you think like building bigger muscles will help with your immunity. Oh yeah, you got to do like running and cycling and that's also true, but then ask them, do you think like building bigger muscles will help with your immunity? And a lot of people have no idea that just muscle strength and size alone is better for just immunity and your ability to deal with disease. Speaking of that, did you see it? We had a comment on Instagram and we also had a comment on the YouTube of people like having to every time we talk about cardio, I feel like we always have to get into this with somebody who feels the need that they're defending cardio and how beneficial it is for them and that like

we're anti-cardiopec or not. It's like it's not that at all. It's trying to educate the masses on the benefits of strength training and why that is a superior way of training. Not that you shouldn't do cardio and we don't think there's tons of benefits. Adding into your strength training routine appropriately, you're going to get better health and better. But the truth is, if I had to put him head to head and I had one or the other, I got three hours a week, somebody is going to move or exercise and I had to choose running them on a treadmill or whatever mode of cardio you like or or training. It's a no brainer. No brainer because you can get many of the benefits that you get from

cardiovascular training through your straight train. Like the example I tried to give the girl that was going back and forth with me is go do 10 sets of squats with 30 second rest periods been between and tell me how much cardiovascular you can't elevate your heart rate doing that. Yeah. The one thing that'll cardio will be better at is whatever the form of cardio is. You'll get better at running if you do more running. That's true. But in terms of overall health,

and even aesthetic goals, of course, but overall health, mobility, strength, organ health, cognitive function, hormone health, like in the studies now support it. Well, the argument they were both these people were making were the cardiovascular endurance. And it's like, okay, if all you care about is cardiovascular endurance slash health,

then doing cardio will help that. And it will help that faster than strength training. But there's so many more benefits that you get from strength training that you don't get from cardiovascular. And you can get most, almost all the benefits that you get from cardio. So why wouldn't you choose the one that is superior?

Now, in a perfect world, yes, you do both, right? I mean, I would even argue it's not cardiovascular health but rather cardiovascular performance. You'll get better long-term endurance by training, like cardio, but in terms of cardiovascular health, like heart health, they've already shown. That strength training is superior for reducing visceral body fat, inflammation, improving heart health. They've already shown that strength training is superior for reducing visceral body fat,

inflammation, improving heart health. They've already shown this. In fact, when we had Dr. Lowe on the show, who's a cardiovascular doctor, it's literally what it's like. Well, that's the point I'm trying to make is that we're not anti-cardio. It's more so that most people don't understand that about resistance training. They don't understand the value. And so our message comes out that way. But yeah, okay, in a perfect world, my client does both. You know, that would be great. But in the context of overall health

and also in the context of body composition because everyone thinks that getting lean and lean and ripped cardio is the best way towards it. And it's not, and we know this. And so that's why our messaging is always around that. It's not that we're anti-cardio guys. It's that a lot of people don't understand the benefits of actually strength training in the pursuit

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to feel those muscles contracting. This is more of a bodybuilder style of training and there's a lot of value in it. However, there's also a lot of value in just focusing on moving the weight and perfecting your technique and skill to move more weight. This is how strength athletes train. Both of them are very, very valuable. For example, I can squat, I can do a barbell squat, slow my reps down and really focus on my quads. Like really focus on the knee extension and the squeeze at the top and staying connected at the bottom

and give myself a crazy quad pump and burn. And again, I'm gonna develop good, nice, develop quad muscles from doing that. Or I can get under the weight and just perfect my biomechanics and my technique so I can squat the most amount of weight. And both of them are very valuable. If your goal is to train for a balanced physique, develop your muscles, be strong, mobile, all that stuff, I think you got to do kind of both of these. They're both

important. Well, there's certain things that you can't do, like say, you don't wanna be flexed and tense when you do like a kettlebell movement, right? Like you have these explosive kettlebell movement. Like a swing, you mean? Yeah, you have to be able to be. You have to be fast and loose. Yes, fast and loose, like in a, like, Olympic,

there's a lot of Olympic movements where you can't be tense the entire time through the movement. You gotta be explosive tense, but then relax. I call them about the movement. It's really about guiding and shuttling that force output in the very beginning. So it's very high emphasis on that concentric part of the lift with the very beginning, and then just kind of guiding that weight as it accelerates. So it's a totally different type of a technique, but yeah, to your point, it really just depends

on what the focus is on and the objective and the intent of the exercise. What's funny is when I train clients, I would do flexing and tensing with correctional exercise. I'm talking about like new clients. New clients come and hire me. When I'm telling them to flex and tens a muscle, it's when I'm doing correctional exercise and trying to get them to feel certain muscles and connect to certain parts of a movement. But then when I would teach them traditional exercises, I never said, hey, while you're squatting, I want you to really feel it

in your glutes. That didn't happen to later. It was more like, let's perfect the skill of the squat. Let's perfect the skill of a press, let's perfect the skill of a deadlift. And then later, when they got the skill down, and I could see if they were squatting well and you know, deadlifting well and not stuff, then when there were areas they wanted to focus on, I would say, you know, squeeze your glutes here, focus on your quads there. So it is, they're both very valuable, and it's funny how there's like two camps, like which one do I do? I mean, I actually train the op, I actually train more less about the movement

and more about keeping tension throughout the movement. Like, so I guess it's the body builder-esque background that I come from, like that was, I always felt like if I got a client to really feel the entire movement really, really well, then I could teach more dynamic explosive things where you ask them to be quick or loose and then tight. Like, I find that that's a little bit more of an advanced technique to be able to do that.

Oh yeah, no, I wouldn't do fast on loose time. I'm talking about just traditional squat press. When I did an overhead press with a new client, I wasn't like, feel this in your delts. It was about your posture, your technique, in your form. Practice that. And then later, if they're like, hey, I wanna develop more of this or that, then I would, through the movement, then I would get them to focus.

But you're right with the fast stuff. No, no, no, you can't sit there and connect to a kettlebell swing. You've ever seen a bodybuilder or somebody trained in building, trying to do that? Oh, yeah. Well, that was the first thing that came to mind when this question came up was thinking like,

all I could picture was a tense, buff bodybuilder trying to do a kettlebell swing Yeah, and it just it looks it looks awkward because it's a lateral raise at that point. Yeah, it's exactly Yeah, but yeah, I mean there's tons of value in either of these. I think for example If you were to follow maps power lift The focus is on the movement. It's it's about technique form Biomechanics, and movement. Now, you follow a program like MAPS aesthetic,

and it's very much about flexing, intensing, and developing particular muscles. Which one is better for you? They both are. They're both going to give you tremendous value, and I think it's a mistake to only focus on one and not the other. I think both of them will develop the best body

that you ever had, because there's a very different feel from when I'm squatting and trying to focus on a muscle group versus when I'm just trying to squat and get better at squatting. It's a very different mentality going into the movement. Next question is from Tyler Mcnutrition. Do you find a lot of people are overdoing it with diet and exercise? I see a lot of people doing twice a day workouts, extreme dieting or fasting, hit, etc. or a combination of multiple things. I don't think they're taking into account

other stresses in their lives, which can lead to some of these additions being negative. Of course we believe this. We always bring this up. Everybody overdoes it. And here's what I mean by that. I don't mean everybody works out too much all the time. I mean, people that stop working out and are inconsistent, usually when they start, they overdo it. Now, overdoing it's different from person to person. Overdoing it can mean you overdo it

for what your body can handle. It could also mean you're overdoing it because you're doing more than you'll be able to maintain on a consistent basis. So if you're never, if you never exercise or you have it for a long time, I used to get this all the time. I'd manage gyms and I'd, you know, get a walk in. This is somebody that's interested in checking out the gym. And I'd ask them what their goals are and, you know, are you currently exercising? No, I'm not.

When was the last time you exercised consistently like for longer than six months? Oh, you know, 10 years ago, how many days a week would you like to start working out? Oh, I'd like to come five days a week, like overdoing it. Like you're gonna go from zero to five, even if you train properly five days a week,

it's too much for you to go from zero to five and to maintain consistency. So it's the whole like I want to get there faster. Overdoing it literally means you'll get there slower. It's human nature. I mean, we want to get to that desired outcome as quick as possible. And our entire culture is based off of that, right? It's like, well, how can I get rich faster?

Yeah. How can I achieve whatever goal I have the quickest way possible? And it's just, there's no pill to this thing to really like accelerate that process. Like you just really have to put the work in. Well, I'll give you guys a less extreme and I think more common situation of overdoing it that I think most people fall into this trap

and that's just simply eating less and moving. It's like the most practical advice given to somebody who is overweight. Oh, you're overweight. Well, eat less calories and move more. And because of that simple advice, what ends up happening is somebody ends up eating way less than what they probably should for their size and body. And certainly for somebody who's going to go start building muscle, and then they overdo the amount of movement.

Somebody who was completely sedentary on the couch wasn't doing anything, is all of a sudden doing crossfit workouts, or all of a sudden working out, like you guys are saying five to seven days a week. So, I think it's way more common than not. And, you know, a lot of that is just because the messaging that's been around in the fitness space forever, we always tout the law of thermodynamics

and everybody says, okay, they just oversimplify that. Okay, well, less calories, move more. I should lose weight. Well, yeah, you can, but you have to follow it together. You're overdoing it. You don't need to be doing that. I mean, everybody that I get, if that was overweight,

later on in my career, I figured out like, actually what I should do is either keep them at a maintenance or even try and give them a surplus and actually focus on building muscle. Even though they came to me to lose 50 pounds of fat, I knew that where they were at nutritionally, what they were feeding their body, they were overfeeding it in calories,

underfeeding it in nutrients that their body needs in order to have this healthy physique. So getting them balanced out and keeping them fed, while also now introducing this new stimulus was a much better strategy, and you just don't see that. You see most people over doing them exercise and that doesn't need to be a lot and then under consuming. Yeah. The right dose will get you there faster and will make it sustainable. Doing more than

that is the wrong dose. Doing less than that is also the wrong dose. By the way, if I had to pick which one I would want a person to, if they had to go over or under doing it, I would say under doing it, because then it's easy to wrap up. And you get build it up. Overdoing it's hard to back off of. It's interesting, right? Because I think people think that the most that they can tolerate

is the right dose. So like, oh, I'm getting great results right now. I think my body can tolerate even more. Let me do that. That's still not the right dose, because I know that there's more I can do with my training, my body can tolerate even more, let me do that. That's still not the right dose, because I know that there's more I can do with my training, my body will tolerate, but it's not gonna get me there any faster.

It'd be like one of the doctors and the doctors saying, you have an infection, here's your medication, take two a day and you're like, I wanna get this infection done. It's a low model. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not, what'll happen, right? I think of like, like, hard alcohol,

versus like a sip of wine or beer or something. It's like, you know, you give somebody like a shot, like, oh, I'm going to introduce myself to alcohol, and then you just go right to like, you know, the most condensed version of everything it wants. How every college drink from the first day. You know what that leads to? I just want to get drunk real fast. Next question is from preacher man Joe. Is there any truth regarding some meta types? A trainer said that knowing if you're an ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph will determine what your body needs.

There's a little bit of value in this, but it's so generalized that it's really for marketers. Yeah, if you live and die by this, you're not, look look most people are not A most people are not a pure Ectomorph so ectomorph is the here's what they would say right tall skinny smaller bone structure tends to be really lean

Hardgainer right mesomorph Meso morp, your athlete, more muscle, lean, builds muscle easily, athletic, endomorph, gains body fat easily, is thicker, bigger bone structure, and it's harder for them to get lean. Very, very gentle. This is so generalized that most people are combinations of these different things. They're like hybrids of whatever. Yeah, so is there value in it? Maybe a little bit, but not a ton.

I find it valuable. I find it valuable, and I defend it because it's been, I know trashed in the last like 10 years or so because we've dispelled that there's these three categories or whatever, but for explaining something to a client who falls in one of these categories to get them to understand their body more in how it responds to exercise and nutrition.

If it reminds me of a 3500 calories equals a pound of fat. Okay, that is not that simple and there's it's much more complex than that. But when I like when I'm explaining to a client over overconsuming calories and underconsuming it's just an easy round. It's just an easy way to get them to grasp that, hey listen, that 500 calorie one thing you did is not gonna even put a pound of fat on your body.

So don't beat yourself up over it, like relax, you know? So I also think the same thing is true when I'm looking at a body type and they're struggling so hard to put muscle on, but then they can lean out really easy, explaining them what kind of body type they're more likely and the benefits of being that kind of a body type. And vice versa, on the other end of the extreme,

when they're like, man Adam, I just cannot lose weight for the life of me. Look at something in a game weight. Yeah, look at something in a game weight, is I find it, I think I find it a good way to be able to kind of explain to people their body types, even though we know that it's way more complex. You know what's funny about this?

If I'm not mistaken, the person who created this was, I think a zoologist, I think is the right term. They're into eugenics. Yeah, and basically, what he did was, is he categorized humans. By the way, I don't know if you guys know this, the original, the person that came up with this also came up with personality characteristics

for each of these. That's the same person. I believe. I mean, that's not spelled right, right? It's semano type, isn't it? It's semato type. It's too, it's too amount of type. It's not an end?

I thought it was an end. No, I think it's a T. So I'm curious. Like a tomato type. Who created that? Semato type. So look up his name, Doug. I can't remember his name off the top of my head.

That's spelled correctly, though. Yeah, and look up it. I think there's a dark history of eugenics in there, too. Maybe because people who can't, people who tend to characterize people like humans into category. Because they used to attribute also characteristics. Like for example, I thought it was a marketing thing.

That's what I thought it was. It then was used for marketing. It's very valuable, right? Marketing, it's a smart strategy. Oh, you've been doing the wrong diet and workout. Oh, it's a psychologist, William Herbert Sheldon, in the 1940s. So they would also attach, it's a taxonomy.

That's why I said zoology, just a verb, excuse me, a word describing like characterizing animals or whatever. They would also characterize characteristics. I don't know if you guys ever heard this, old stereotype that like, you know, endomorphs or people who would tend to be a little overweight, tend to be more jolly and happy.

Have you guys ever heard that? No. Or people who are like more like ectomorphs, they tend to be a little bit more quiet and timid. This is the jiggle more. Yeah, I, you guys, you never heard that? No. Oh yeah, I don't know if Doug maybe knows that he's heard some of the, oh, so do we, is, was your theory wrong

than this person did not also create the other thing you said, what, because that's what the character, the characteristics. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if it was him or other people. Yeah, some of you made a leap on something. Maybe, maybe. But I can surprise you guys never heard that before. No, I haven't heard that.

And again, my point to it, because I know you guys were starting to go the direction of it being not very valuable anymore. And as a coach and trainer, I found value in it to help explain things. And this is an area where I actually don't like when the fitness industry loves to tear something down that we've disproved or like shit on something

like the, also how many calories equals a pound of, or how much calories does a pound of muscle versus a pound of fat. There's all kinds of stuff to say that all that 60 calories is not true. And hey, at the end of the day, I think from the perspective of a trainer and coach who's trying to explain this super complex thing around nutrition and the body and how to get

their body competent change and how to be healthy. And all these complex things that the average person just has no clue about, these types of things I've found help me explain certain reasons why maybe they didn't notice this or they noticed that. I just wouldn't live and die by it as individual. No. I wouldn't read this. I wouldn't encourage people to read this and be like, this is...

No, and I think that's the takeaway from this question is that, you know, what they did do, just like, it's something that had some value to it. It's been bastardized and now used to market to people. So don't buy into the, there's a diet and a workout plan specific for your body type. That's definitely not true. So if you run into something like that, I think that's a bunch of bullshit.

But for the average person trying to learn their body type and understand it better, I found value in that. Next question is from Sea Greenwood 32. What are your thoughts on grounding or earthing? All right, so this is one of those situations where there's value in something, but the way that they try to explain it or sell it, I disagree with.

So here's the theory. It's a theory. It's a peculiar oil out there. Yeah. So the theory with grounding or earthing is that there are positive and negative electrical charges or ions, I think it is, and your bare feet touching the earth, health balance that out, and it produces all these health benefits and stuff like that.

I don't think so. What I think the benefit is that the bottom of your feet nerves stimulus. There's tons of nerve endings, and we are constantly covered in socks or in shoes, and that part of our brain and central nervous system is super undeveloped. And when you take your socks off and walk around outside on different textures and the grass and the concrete, develop the muscles and then in those nerves, start to develop in the way the brain interprets them, I think that's where the health benefits come from. I don't think it has to do with this transfer of negative or positive, you know, a lot of different from them. I mean, before, I mean, I'm with you because this is how I would say that probably five, 10 years ago, but

I think no one in this room would have thought that it was possible for memories to be stored in tissue in your body. Yeah, I think if you would have told us that two decades ago, we would have thought it was just as woo-woo and just as fucking crazy as saying grounding or earthing. Maybe more, I think that sounds easy. They've granted up a lot. I don't know how they really have proven that, but they've definitely brought that up.

Well, and what it really is, and the point you are making that I completely agree with is that this is what happens, we haven't put the words to what we, what they've figured out a long time ago has value. Yes. There is tremendous value. I mean, I've talked about this podcast for years now of walking around barefoot outside

and I absolutely do this grounding, earthing thing. I don't call it that. I don't think of it like that. I think of it as taking my fucking socks and shoes off and walking around. That's what I think of it as. And I don't call it that. I don't think of it like that. I think of it as taking my fucking socks and shoes off and walking around. That's what I think of it as. And I feel the value in it. So I don't need someone to tell me the science behind

if it is or isn't. So I think this is one of those areas that we've known this for a very long time that it provides value. And then there's practices that have decided to put some terminology around it. And then you get science that wants to come over and like shit all over and be like,

oh, that's not really scientific. Well, that's the problem. For example, Chi has been around for much longer than talking about your core. Right. Well, no, that's a good example. Because here's, look, in your right, because this is what's that happens.

So here's Earth thing, I'll explain from a website called earthing.com. The Earth's surface has a virtually limitless supply of mobile electrons that gives the ground we walk on a natural negative electric charge. When you touch your body to the ground, it dissipates static electricity and extraneous environmental electrical charges that are on you. At the same time, you receive a charge of energy in the form of free electrons and your

body synchronizes with the natural frequencies of the earth. Okay. Scientists are going to come and shit all over this. Yeah, the next step from there is like, butthole-signing. Yeah, that's where you're gonna go for it. That's a big leap, Justin. I'm just not that big. I don't know, I'm not that big.

What's his name? Bulletproof Coffee, guys. He actually puts the pictures of himself subburning his butthole. Yeah. But anyway, so that right there, people will shit on because they'll be like, no, the ions the ions electrical charges

No, no, here's the value imagine this here. I'll give you a better example Imagine if you almost always had Thick padded gloves on yeah almost always you're handling everything and you're doing everything in your life with thick padded gloves Imagine how less sensitive and unless developed your hands would be and your connection to that feeling, how less intricate you'll be able to handle objects. That's what happens for our feet, our feet, our cosplays. Yes, like spiky surfaces, things like that.

You're not gonna have the same response as you would if you allow your skin and your actual fingers to touch it. Yeah, I mean, my son rarely ever wear shoes and I see Trum in his value. I don't think it has anything to do with the negative positive energy around it. I just think that that's, we evolved probably on this earth a lot longer

not putting anything on the bottoms of it. Totally. So to think that there wouldn't be some sort of value in us doing that, we always just assume just because we've progressed, you know, as far as clothing or or the ability to wear something is gonna make it better. It's not gonna make it better all the time.

No, I always take value too. And just like obviously taking your shoes off and walking around barefoot, but also paying attention to your pressure points. Is your big toe even pressing down or is it like staying up and raised up and are you compensating? You could find out a lot about what's happening

with your entire body by just focusing on that triangle of pressure. I've been so fascinated with watch, I watch Max's feet when he plays and he's in a squatted position and he's doing things. It is wild to watch how he, because you don't see that when they have shoes on, you can't see all that stuff.

And I certainly do not have the connectivity that he has because you can see just the way while he's sitting here playing up here, you can see all of his toes articulating, like putting when he shifts over to one side, this one grips this way, then it flexes this. I mean, it's crazy. You would have that. Yeah. And think about the parts of the brain that are developed because of that or the parts of the brain that are underdeveloped because your feet are always

covered. So that's the benefit. So that's why people go do this and walk outside and go, oh my gosh, I feel so good. Like you're waking up parts of your brain, you're making new connection. They started taking baths and crystals. Yeah.

But even like to what you were saying, Adam, about your body storing memories. I don't know if the memory is actually stored in your body body, but I do know that the central nervous system stores memories and part of those memories are the position of your body. Like if you were assaulted at one point, so you create this kind of defensive posture and then something reminds you of that even subconsciously, that becomes your defensive. Yeah

So and then if you you might try to work through the process in your brain and thinking about it But it doesn't work then all of a sudden a massage therapist comes over and forces your body to move differently Lucid muscles and then remember and then emotions come out like how many time I know your wife was a massage therapist for long time I'm sure she had people cry. Oh yeah, that's common. Yeah, caught right. Yeah, yeah. So again, I think it's the way, it reminds me of adrenal fatigue. Remember, adrenal fatigue?

Yeah. You have all this list of symptoms. It's because your adrenals are fatigue. Then scientists came out and said, no, the adrenals are still producing all the, whatever. The reality was, it was an imbalance between how the adrenals communicated with the hypothalamus and, you know, computed, you know, communicated with other parts of the body, that's what was going on. So it's just the explanation.

Yeah, I think that's the takeaway from this question is that I think that whether you subscribe to the terms grounding or earthing and what they claim to be the great benefits of it, nobody in this room disagrees that it's not extremely valuable for you to take your shoes and socks off and walk around on earth. Yeah, absolutely.

And you should do that as much as possible. Yeah, and I think the best way to do it to start doing that, and I started doing this a few years ago, is I don't wear shoes in the house anymore, which is also very sanitary and clean. So that's when I'm barefoot, is at least I'm in the house moving around and I've noticed benefit myself. So look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free guides. They can help you build muscle or burn body fat or just get healthier. Okay, so there's tons of guides that are all free mindpumpfree.com.

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