Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1663: How to Even Out Unbalanced Leg Muscles, the Ideal Length of Time to Follow a Workout, HMB Supplement Review & More

Episode Date: October 15, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about why Iron Man athletes are muscular even though they do excessive cardio, the best way to even out the quads, how long to stick to a program, and whether HMB is worth it. How extreme overtraining can be terrible to your body. (3:23) Luna Physical Therapy is here to disrupt the space. (14:57) Mind Pump’s ultimate goal is to save the world! (22:04) Mind Pump Investments: What is the main goal of the guy's side investments? (24:13) Dave Chappelle is the GOAT. (28:02) What is the financial impact of Tesla HQ heading to Texas? (35:47) What an ex-Google executive thinks about A.I. (39:26) Are we genetically engineering pigs?! (43:03) How blue-light blocking glasses may help with anxiety. (45:56) Adam doubles down on his robot theory. (47:50) #Quah question #1 - Why are Iron Man athletes muscular even though they do excessive cardio? (54:13) #Quah question #2 – What is the best way to even out the quads? (1:00:51) #Quah question #3 - How long to stick to a program? (1:05:07) #Quah question #4 - Is Hydroxymethylbutyrate (HMB) worth it? (1:10:56) Related Links/Products Mentioned October Promotion: MAPS Anabolic and NO BS 6-Pack Formula – Get Both for $59.99!    Too Much High-Intensity Exercise May Be Bad for Your Health Mind Pump #610: Dr. Andy Galpin Luna Physical Therapy Mind Pump #1650: How To Know When You Need A Physical Therapist Mind Pump x NCI Mentorship Coaching NCI Certifications x Mind Pump Dave Chappelle: The Closer | Netflix Official Site Here's Why Dave Chappelle Walked Away From $50 Million Tesla to move headquarters to Texas, Elon Musk says California’s Median Home Price Seen Topping $800,000 in New Peak - Bloomberg Ex-Google Exec: Artificial Intelligence is God as a Child — And We Must Love It Human-Pig Hybrid Created in the Lab—Here Are the Facts Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! This bathroom-cleaning robot cleans up after you use the loo and is cost-efficient Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP10” at checkout** The Only Way You Should Be Doing Bulgarian Split Squats! (BUTT GROWTH) - Mind Pump TV How Phasing Your Workouts Leads to Consistent Plateau Free Workouts – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1512: The Value Of Following A Workout Program Hydroxymethylbutyrate (HMB): Benefits, Downsides, and More Tip: Feels Like Deca? The HMB Controversy: Better than Steroids? Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jason Khalipa (@jasonkhalipa)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Dave Chappelle (@davechappelle)  Instagram Bill Burr (@wilfredburr)  Instagram  

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. All right, we answered some fitness questions in today's episode. These were our asses. These were asked by our audience, so people want to know things, and we gave them the answers. But the way we opened the episodes

with an intro portion, where we talk about current events, we bring up scientific studies, and we talk about our sponsors. Today's intro portion was 44 minutes after that, we got to the fitness questions. So here's what went down to today's podcast. We opened up, I talked about a study on the effects

of too much exercise on the body. Turns out, it's not good for you. It's really bad for you. Too much, isn't good. Then I talked about how my grandfather fell, got some stitches on his nose, and I recommended that he get physical therapy to get stronger, so he gets better balance. There is a company called Luna that offers physical therapy to your door, covered by insurance, and you don't need to go through your primary care physician.

So this is even for you fitness fanatics. If you have shoulder pain or back pain, you can't squat whatever. Go get it addressed. Your insurance will cover a PT coming to your house. So you can go check them out at getluna.com. Then we talked about mind pumps ultimate goal, it's to save the world.

Then we talked about our investments. And then we brought up the goat of all comedians, Dave Chappelle, under fire for being controversial, or should I say being himself, then we talked about Tesla moving to Texas. I brought up how a Google executive, or at least an ex-Google executive, is warning everybody about AI, it's gonna kill us. SkyNet is upon us.

Justin showed us a very disturbing video of a human pig embryo, at least that's the conspiracy around it. You're welcome. I talk about how blue light blocking glasses may help with anxiety, that's my own speculation, but I think I'm right. By the way, if you want the best blue light blocking glasses, you'll find anywhere and you want ones

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He's hanging on though. He's hanging on. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. Why are Iron Man athletes muscular, even though they do lots of cardio, huh? What's the deal with that? The next question, what's the best way to even out the quads?

The third question, how long should I stick to a program? And then the final question is HMB, hydroxy metal, metal butyric acid. Metal butyric. Worth it. Is that supplement worth it for muscle building or for fat loss? Also, all month long, we've taken MAPs and Obolic, combined it with the NoBS 6-Pack formula,

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Hey, you guys seeing the study that's making the round on too much high intensity exercise? Have you guys seen it? No. What? So, study... Just... Proposterous. A study...

Bullardash. A study is circulating because the scientists took people and trained a shit out of them with high intensity interval training, something that we advocate against, not high intensity interval training, but rather overtraining in general. But what they found in the study, again, this is just, I wish they would just ask coaches and trainers

before they spend money on studies, but anyway. Decreased mitochondrial function or dysfunctional, so the mitochondria of these people who got over trained, functioning worse, and they were showing some glucose impairment. So it was airmen, yeah. Their bodies became less sensitized to insulin and glucose, okay. So essentially the study, the headlines are,

high intensity in over training is bad for your health or something like that, right? But when you look into the study, they beat the shit out of these people. And what they basically showed is if you overtrain it's bad for your health, which is obviously a duh. But I do wanna bring that up because what you will see in articles is hit training,

hazardous for your health, question mark, or something like that, right? Yeah. Well, it's interesting being that all the articles previous to that were always highlighting the benefits yes exclusively yeah but most of those are probably funded by the people selling the you know method right well it's a lot of it's the the salt bites how you apply it I could also do a study showing that well that's what I have a question I, you didn't really specify what train the shit out of means. What does that mean? Well, okay, this obviously had to be a long duration.

I think that the way people do some classes is train the shit. 152 minutes at 95% VO2 max is part of the was part of the study, which is insane. Okay. That's just ridiculous. Now, the thing that people need to understand, because I could also do a study that says, that says back squats will hurt your back. I could prove it by having people do it on the wrong. 95% of your VO2 max for an hour and a half is crazy.

That sounds like just pure cardio. Like, wrap this. Yeah, they're not doing weights. No, it's high intensity interval training with cardio. Just cardio. Yeah. And again, the thing that I think people, the big message that people need to understand is that the way that exercise gets your body to improve or get stronger or get healthier

is by sending a stress signal. And then what your body does is it gets the stress signal and then it heals or recovers from it and then it tries to adapt so that next time that same stress signal no longer causes damage or stress. Now if the stress signal is overwhelming, if it overwhelms your body's capability to heal, let alone adapt, well now you're just stressing the body and beating it up. And over training is, it could be terrible for your health. There's studies on extreme endurance athletes that show that their lifespan is similar to

like obese, you know, cigarette smokers, right? Because they just push their body so hard for maximum. And I doubt it took into account all the lifestyle stress factors that could have came into play there as well with relationships and work and everything on top. So this was a short study. This was just a short study. They just beat the crap of these people for a few months and then looked at the mitochondria. But that all fills your stress bucket.

And that's the, that all plays a factor in how your body is going to respond to that. Very good point. Now this was actually one of the issues that I had with Orange Theory was, now they recommend, right? I think it was like, it's like 12 minutes, 12 to 15 minutes in the Orange Zone, a short period in the red, very short period in the red, and then if something,

but the way the points work is the harder you go, the more points you accumulate. And because it's a competitive class that there's TV monitors and everybody can see everybody, it would turn into this. And that mind you, this is my class where I'm telling people not to do that, it still happens, right? People can't help it when you put them up next to other people. You give them points for exerting more energy.

Even though your protocol says, oh, we want you to be at this many minutes, this intensity, so in theory, their idea of why they did that was smart, and if you actually followed their protocol, you would be okay, but what I found from teaching hundreds of classes is you put a bunch of competitive minded people, which by the way, that type of class attracts.

That's what I'm talking about, yeah, you put a bunch of competitive people in there, and you tell them, hey, don't go harder on this for much longer, but then you score them points, they get points for being in that, and they can't help but compare themselves to other people in their class. So what ends up happening is these people pushing

like 90% intensity for, you know, 30 minutes or beyond inside the class, which is not ideal at all. I think the other takeaway that is important with this is although this study did something insane for anybody, I mean, that's an insane amount of intensity for any fitness level, that can happen to you with far less intensity

depending on your current fitness level. Or depending on your current state, meaning, I didn't get very good sleep last night. I've got a bunch of stress at work right now. I'm three days in a row of under-consuming calories and nutrients. That's where that completely changes. That becomes something half the intensity becomes double the intensity for that person. Right. It has to be appropriate for that moment in essence.

I remember learning this with elderly clients. When I started to really get into that advanced age population, I would start off with what I thought was totally appropriate. And then the report I would get would be like, oh my God, I couldn't walk for three days. And I think to myself, like, all we did were three sets of getting up and down off of the bench. So I'd have to scale it way back. But then I had to consider like this person is 75, deconditioned, they've done no resistance training for pretty much their entire life.

Any stimulus is going to be sufficient to... And that's the key, right? It's also don't push your body to its limit in order to get you to where you want to go, but rather do the minimum amount to trigger that thing in emotion, because anything above that just requires more resources of your body. You can keep building on top of that versus, you know, you don't really have anywhere else to go

when you hit that threshold. And that's why I think one of the best metrics that I used to tell my clients was, after your workout, you should feel better than you went into, than how you felt than you went into. Then how you felt when you went into the workout, what I mean by better isn't just satisfied that you beat the crap out of yourself and whatever, but rather do you have more energy

at the end of this workout? Do you have less pain at the end of this workout? Do you feel like you could do another workout at the end of the workout? Like that's what you're looking for. What you don't want to do is leave the workout and be like, I survived. I survived that beat down. And now I'm going to sit in my car and just, you know, die or whatever, go lay down on the couch. You should feel at the end like, oh my, I went into this workout feeling a particular way. I feel revved up now at the end of it. That's a good sign. I guess somewhat, right? Because I think when

you get that flood of cortisol too, even if it's overdoing it, That's a good sign. I guess somewhat, right? Because I think when you get to have flood of cortisol too, even if it's overdoing it, there's a lot of people that are addicted to that feeling and would translate that feeling to a good feeling. So that's kind of, I don't even know if I like that as a way to explain sometimes to people because you would get people, I remember having these, like I had these conversations after class.

Some people would talk to me after the orange theory classes and I would ask questions about what their training was like. And then I'd be like, hey, you know, you need to probably back off a little bit. I'm see where you're at in the red zone all the time and you're always pushing through the weights like a circuit and you should actually slow down, take rest periods.

And then I feel amazing. You know, I feel so good afterwards. And I think it's, they're not really, you know what, that's a good point. They're not connected to what they're, what they're, what they're, what they're, what that means. That's right, you get that flood of, I feel good because you feel accomplished

because you did something really hard as we do almost in anything in life that's challenging, you overcome it, you do it, so you have this feeling of I did it, and then you add in the cortisol rush that they get and they're like, whoo, that feels like a little bit of adrenaline. And then a lot of these people misunderstand or misread what feeling good after a workout is.

And so, I know we've said that a lot on the podcast, but I'd say that's my one problem with even that as an indicator because I think more people than not are not that in tune with their body and know how to read those signs. Yeah, it's a good point. It's like if you can't even read what your body's signals are telling you or you're not in your body, that's a very good point. It's like if you can't even read

what your body's signals are telling you, or you're not in your body, that's the phrase that I like to use, then asking someone to listen to their body is like, well, my body's telling me to eat donuts and then go beat the crap out of it. That's what my body's telling me. It's like, well, you gotta learn kind of how to read it before.

And that can be a very misleading read because it does, again, it does feel good to accomplish anything hard, right? That always feels good, right? Well, it's like equivalent to some of the runners that chase that runner's high. And they'll go even further just to get that feeling out of it, whereas you go to these circuit training,

you do get that kind of a, like, you know, cortisol high from that the circuit training, you do get that kind of a, like, you know, cortisol high from that experience, and you're always kind of chasing. You know what though? I'll even challenge that though. I'll do this. You might get away with it for a little while,

but at some point, you'll start to feel the diminishing effects. At some point, you'll start to get shitty sleep. At some point, you'll crash an hour after the workouts over, and then you're chasing the previous, a bit, you know, way you felt before. You're going to start feeling it. Yeah, it's all going to come to the head. And those cortisol junkies, this is what they look like with their workouts.

They get really consistent going, saying, fall off for a little while. And they come back and do it again, fall off for a little while. Well, and the other problem with that is, and I think that's what they probably attribute the lack of the results is that, oh, I've just never stayed with it. Yeah, I know. It's not because I probably- They don't ask why. Yeah, it's probably not because they didn't have

a good approach. They think that, you know what, man, when I was doing it, I was feeling great. I was feeling accomplished. It's a button enough time. Yeah, my weight was even going down while I was doing it. It's just that, oh man, I fell off a month later with that. So, I don't know, it's a tough one.

And that's why I think, oh, obviously, there's a reason why a business like that is exploding. There's a reason why CrossFit still dominates quite a bit. Like I mean, people are attracted to that feeling and they perceive it as a good feeling. I don't think they perceive it as I just beat my body up. I think they perceive it as I accomplish something and I've got this adrenaline rush now.

That's a good thing. Well, I know what that feels like. I've gone hiking with Justin and I know, I know what that feels like. I know what that feels like. I was just motor. Yeah, like I was like, I'm going. This dude, I think it's a port.

I think it's important to note too though that there is, there is some value in occasionally doing that. Of course. I mean, I always refer back to the conversation that we had with Dr. Andy Gelpin when he talks about that there is value to pushing beyond your limits and stretching your capacity like that, but not when it's your every day

you show up to the class is like that, or every day that you get out. I think there's a psychological benefit to it, right? Sure, what do they call it? Type two fun. In fact, hiking with Justin's a great example. Like while I'm doing it, I know this is a little excessive. Afterwards, I'm like, that was definitely excessive.

But I'm glad I did it that one time, and I'll wait till next year to do it. Right, yeah. It's very sparse. Every single time. Dude, speaking of just hard-ass people, my grandfather, my grandfather, right, just turned 90. And he's just the horse, this guy. And he's 90, so he's got, you grandfather, right, just turned 90. And he's just, he's just a horse, this guy.

And he's 90, so he's got, you know, obviously, 90-year-old, you know, physical issues, although he's sharp as hell, like he's lost zero cognitive ability. Oh, that's great. But he fell the other day, right? So he's at my aunt's house, so him and my grandmother are staying with my aunt, and now they're pretty much,

they're in a situation now where they don't really live on their own anymore. They need kind of assistance. Yeah. And my grandmother uses a walk or a lot of stuff. My grandfather's still, he's on his own, sometimes he was a cane. But yet the other day, yesterday,

was at no two days ago, he felt, this is the story, right? This is what he tells me. So yesterday I go visit him because he fell. And he's like, Saluto, I had so much energy that day. He goes, I watched the car, I did the yard work. I felt like I was 70, and I'm moving around. This night, I felt like I was 70.

Yeah, that's great. His exact word, right? So I feel like, I'm dancing. I feel like a horse, and then he go, but what happened was he goes to, there's some steps to get into, I think the front of the house, and he missed one of them, forward on his face and now this guy

I swear to God. He's they don't make him like this anymore, right? He falls on his face cuts his nose That's it and now it's not it's not cool, right? He had to get stitches didn't break his nose Didn't knock no teeth out never breaks a bone. This is like the third time he's he's taking a spell And he's a tall guy my grandfather Well now he's shorter because you shrink a little bit, right, as you age. But he's six one, which is a pretty tall for a Sicilian, especially his generation.

So he falls and he doesn't break anything, which is kind of cool. But anyway, he's got these stitches on his nose. And so I went to go visit him, Jessica made some food for the family. So I brought him some food. And I'm talking about balance. And he's like, my balance just isn't good anymore.

It's not what it used to be. And I'm explaining to him, like, no, no, I said, a lot of the balance issues that you have are because you're losing strength. You have to work on getting stronger. And he's like, well, I go walking all the time. I said, I know, but we need to do more like strengthening exercises.

So I showed him a couple of things to do. And then I told him about Luna. I said, yeah, I said, you know, you can have someone come here. You can have a physical therapist come here. You don't have to leave the house because he will not go to a clinic. There's no way in hell my grandfather will drive somewhere to go have somebody work on him.

Yeah. Especially, you know, he speaks broken English, he's like, forget it. So I said, they'll come here and they'll do exercises with you at your house, your insurance will cover it, and you'll get stronger. I said, even if you just do once a week, and so I think he's gonna be on board, which is good.

So I'm happy to see that. Do you have any of those? I was actually speaking of Luna, I was actually talking to my best friend just a couple days ago, and he was like the first person I thought of when we first got introduced to Luna because he was the roommate I had when he finished his PT stuff and he was doing physical therapy

while we were living together. So I got to learn a lot about the ins and outs of their business. And I remember when they started a transition into home healthcare and then he started to move in that direction. So of course, he was like the first person I sent Luna to. I'm like, hey, dude, check this out.

I've you heard of them yet. And he's like, no, I haven't, but it seems really cool. I've got a lot of questions. Whatever. He hits me up just a couple days ago. And he goes, bro, guess who came into our meeting, our department meeting to talk to us. So I'm like, who? I have no idea. Because this is weeks later or what are months later, we've since we've talked about Luna together.

And he's like, Luna, he's like, we're now being told that if there's patients that we can't service right now, to refer them to Luna and their doctor and then they'll get, how come to you. He also was enlightening me too on like, how, how, because now he understood, they actually gave a whole presentation, right? And better than I could probably present it.

And so he was kind of saying like, bro, this is gonna be, this is gonna completely disrupt the space. He's all getting, no downside, that's the crazy thing. That's what he says, he says, it's everybody wins in this. The insurance company wins. They save money.

The patient wins, the PT wins. It's like, he's all, the physical therapist make more money, do less paperwork, insurance save money. The patient wins, the PT wins. It's like, he's all, The physical therapist make more money, do less paperwork, insurance saves money. And then the patients get better service because they don't have to go to the court. On multiple levels. So the patient gets better service

because they have a qualified person who comes in addition to that. What happens with insurance because it's so expensive to go to do like the in-play in-house type of healthcare and stuff that places like Kaiser, super strict, they will not approve. You had to, my buddy was saying, I have to,

he says, I have to write a novel to get approval for more than six sessions. Because that's kind of like the standard. You had surgery, you get six sessions of physical therapy, you then, they kick them out basically after that. It goes unless there's something like, this person can't walk yet or they're really, really bad and he goes

and then even to get that, I have to jump through all these hoops to do that. So he's like, but home health care? Because it's so cheap, oh, insurance will cut you 30 visits, no big deal. He says like nothing, they'll write a check for that all day long. I don't see how it can't completely destroy.

That's what he's worried about. Yeah, the other part that I think is huge is, if you're just a fitness fanatic, you're not injured in anything, but you have shoulder pain, when you bench, you have a little low back pain. Oh, I can't squat anymore. Nine to 10 times, people like that would never go

to their doctor and ask for a physical therapy. Well, not only that. I don't imagine if you're a trainer, you know, and like that was something that like, okay, it was a little outside of your scope of being able to help them and like being able physical therapy. We're not only bad. We're not only bad. We're not only bad. We're not only bad. We're not only bad. We're not only bad. We're not only bad.

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We're not only bad. We're not only bad. We're not only bad. We're not only bad. We're not only bad. No, they won't. That's part of why he's like, dude, he's like right now, if I have somebody, if they do not have like an acute injury or a doctor's been like, you have to go to physical therapy, then even if you think you want it, or it would be extremely beneficial to you, you ain't getting it. That's what I was telling my aunt. That's why this is so sick. That's what I was telling my aunt.

She's like, well, okay, well, we gotta go to his doctor and get it, no, I said, no, no, you go to the site, thegetloona.com. It's direct, you don't have to go through your primary care. They'll send someone to you and your insurance covers it. Also, people who are just fit and healthy. Like, I tell you what, if you have pain or dysfunction, but you're not injured, regardless of that, one of the best people you can go to is a really good physical therapist. There's some of the best movement specialists you'll find anywhere in the world. In fact,

that's where I learned a lot of my stuff. I had a PT work at my wellness studio for years. And I used to just eavesdrop and watch and listen. And I learned so much from that application. And how good you are. Oh, that's so, so great about having a best friend that was my best friend and roommate for so long. I got to be there through his schooling and we would come home after, especially early on when I was so, you know, you remember being a trainer early on, you were so excited with your job. We talk about patients and clients and stuff like that.

He gave me so many resources. So before I even got my corrective exercise specialist, I had a PT living at home with me and I come back, he said, bro, I got this client and this is going on with their hip, well, if that, I'm gonna, I'll do this, do that, look for this. And I'm like, oh shit, I didn't even think like that. That's true.

Hey, so the other day I was on, I got interviewed by Jason Calipa. So, Jason Calipa has me on it. Now, it hasn't aired yet. Look, by the way, love the guy. Just wanna give him a shout out. Really, really, one of the better people, I think. Yeah, he's a great guy. In the fitness space.

Yeah, just a great attitude, really a nice guy. But anyway, he was asking me about mind pump and mind pumps like ultimate kind of goals. And I remember we first started the podcast, the main goal was, and we said this a million times, to kind of change the direction of the fitness industry a little, kind of change the conversation

and get people to communicate fitness the right way, type of deal. Now, another thing has really started to pop up, especially since we started working with NCI, which is to be an example, and I thought this was really cool because he agreed with this, to be the example for other fitness influencers

and trainers and coaches to show them that you can talk about fitness the right way with integrity, communicate the right stuff, and still be financially successful. Because I think one of the main motivations behind why new trainers and coaches say and sell stuff the wrong way, is because they see the successful people in our space who do, who make money,

and they all do it the wrong way. So they think, okay, the formula is sell bullshit supplements, sell, you know, baloney, you know, weight loss, you know, challenges, tell people that they're gonna, you know, hammer them for 30 days. High volume super intensive programming for this totally generalized. Yeah, and if you're a trainer

and you're trying to build your business, you're, you know, and you think, you're looking at these people like that person's successful, that must be the best way to sell and be the best message. And so I said, what we're trying to show people is, no, you could sell, you could tell someone, it takes a year to lose 30 pounds,

and it's gonna take a lot of big changes in your life, and still be successful. And he loved that I said. It's just a slower process. It takes longer, which is ironic, because you're trying to tell coaches that, and they know that that's the way they are supposed to train their clients too,

for the best. So, yeah, no, it's funny, that's how we think. And along those lines, right? So we got into more of the business of Mind Pump, and we don't share this too much on the podcast, but I did tell him that we also do side investments, and he asked me what the main goal of the side investments were, and I was very honest,

and I said, obviously, when you invest on the side,'re trying to grow your wealth and that's obvious I said but really for us it's we don't want to be put in a corner to where we have to at some point compromise our integrity or lose you know our livelihood like okay and that happens to a lot of people where they're in position., we are talking off air. Imagine how, and I don't know what I would do, right? So imagine I still worked at 24-hour fitness. And, you know, making good money there. I have a mortgage, a family.

I'm the main breadwinner of the family. And all of a sudden, 24-hour fitness mandates vaccines for me to go out and I have to do it. Yet I feel, I don't need to do it. I've already had it. I already feel like I have antibodies, but then they tell me I have to. I be put in this predicament on like,

it doesn't matter what I believe or not. I would probably... Well, that's what's happening right now, right? Y-Scale, but even if you go to something less controversial, which probably happens all the time in gyms, it's say you work in a gym, you're a trainer, and the gym that you work under sells some bullshit supplement.

I don't know, branching amino acids. All right, but here's your quota. You need to sell $500 worth of branching amino acid supplements every single month, and you know that it's a complete waste of money if people are eating adequate protein. But your boss is saying, I don't care, you need to sell this bullshit supplement. You know how many trainers get put in this position?

Where they have to sell crappy workout programs or they have to sell some supplement they don't believe in. And I, I'm for us, I'm very proud of the fact that we don't have to do anything. They could shut us down if they want, we're gonna be okay. And that's really the main reason that we do these side investments is so that we could always do what we want.

And if somebody ever tells us, sorry, you got to say it this way, we could tell them to fuck off. Well, it's also why I tell other entrepreneurs in our space too, how important it is that you acquire real estate on all these platforms. But I really say, I don't mean actual houses. I mean, like real estate as far as a footprint in Twitter on Instagram these platforms. But I really said, I don't mean actual houses. I mean, like real estate as far as a footprint in Twitter on Instagram, Facebook, on YouTube, on email lists. Like you really should diversify your portfolio

and really it's about what, especially in the climate we're in right now, because you have no idea. I've all said, I mean, how many people do you think, I mean, we estimated it right, or someone pulled up the stats on this. I mean, how many people lost you think, I mean, we estimated it right or someone pulled up the, someone pulled up the stats on this I mean, how many people lost millions of dollars when Facebook? Facebook, yeah, I mean, you have this platform. It's funny because people, they, they, because you don't own it. No, Facebook is not your company. Oh, I have this business It's so successful. Do you though really? I mean, if, if 80% of your revenue is coming from this one single platform that you don't own in control

Do you really own your business or do you technically kind of work for them? Dude, when Lane, okay, so Lane Norton, right, good friend of ours, one of the better voices in the fitness space, although sometimes a bit angry. He, at some point a while ago, people had been, because he gets aggressive. He gets aggressive with how he tax bullshit.

And I know sometimes that brings him negative attention. And I guess a group of people got together and would complain to Instagram because you could report on Instagram that someone's, I don't know, whatever, offensive or whatever. And a bunch of people did this and almost got his Instagram shut down. And he had to go fight it and everything.

But I remember talking to him and he goes, bro, he goes, my Instagram accounts for such a large percentage of my revenue that would devastate me if I got shut down even for a week because of all the stuff. And so that's exactly to your point. You like, you don't wanna be in a position where you're screwed. You don't wanna have your eggs in that one basket.

Totally. Dude, tell me you guys watched the Dave Shapel. Speaking of which That I you just maybe think about it because of the conversation that he know you know how hard they're The hardest I've seen him go so I started seeing like at an I didn't even know he had a new special And I started seeing stuff all over the social media again of like canceled Dave Chappelle I'm a canceled Dave Chappelle well because he was in a three Three special contract with Netflix and so this sort of honored that last one.

I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't know that. But did you, I mean, he opens it, right? What does he say? Hey, I'm not gonna be doing this for a long time. Yep. And I'm gonna go hard and he did go hard. He lived up to what he was cautioning.

You know what I love about him too? By the way, he puts his money where his mouth is. He doesn't give a fuck. If you want to cancel him, go ahead. I mean, he canceled himself. No much money left on the table. When the purest comedians still left. Do you guys remember when he left the Chappelle Show?

Yeah, 50 million or something. He left on the table to cut it out because he didn't like the way things were going. No, he's gone from good to great to brilliant. That's literally how I feel his trajectory of his career has been been because I've always been a fan of Dave Chappelle. He wasn't my favorite comedian though 10, 15 years ago, but his last like three to four,

I mean, each one of them, he's continued to bring a whole nother level of brilliance to his art. I mean, he's always been amazing and an artist, but shit, dude, his, his delivery, what he, what I noticed, and I've noticed this on the last two or three more than any of his other material before, he takes you on this intelligent ride where you don't know if he's about to crack a joke on your beliefs or side with you. You get you, you don't know. And so you have this kind of weird angst like, I want to laugh, but is he shitting on me

right now or not? But it makes you think. So, no matter what side of the fence you're on with that topic he's discussing think he does such a good job. I mean, he's definitely ruffled it. Some serious feathers because of just some the wild, wild content in there that some people have that knee jerk reaction. Like, oh, but he shits on everybody.

You know, the thing is, is like nobody, any class of people, anything is up for grabs. So it's just like, that's just pure comedy when nobody is up on this little pedestal. Like everybody has, gets their shot. Yeah, but I don't even feel like he, like he so much that he's like takes jobs at like everybody. He like, he goes after very sensitive topics

that everybody seems to be scared to talk about or there's gaslighting on one side or the other. And he tells a really good story and he makes it compelling, he makes it funny as shit and he really makes you think about your own views on that topic. Well, you nailed it on the head by saying brilliant because I love comedy for obviously,

because it's funny, but I also like watching comedians who are so smart that they can talk about third rail topics, that I mean, real third rail topics, but do it in a way to where you're like, wow, that was funny and interesting and oh my goodness, you know, he does that better than anybody like bill bill bur is hilarious

I love bill bur any hammers people too But Dave Chappelle goes so hard and says shit that you're never supposed to Bill and bill bur is one of my favorite to bill is Shocking off funny. Oh shit. He just said that like that where War day view. He gets you catches you going. Oh, fuck. I never, I never thought of it like that. Well, you're laughing and you're also thinking you could feel any different perspective. He's becoming so good. I mean, his, his, his, uh, he's got to be one of the greatest. His, his, his point of view with the, the transgender community and then, uh, the, the, the, like white and black separation thing and how that has divided itself.

I just, I had never thought of it from that perspective before and whoa, was that interesting to me? Well, what he did brilliantly is he took two sides that you're not supposed to. You're not supposed to question and you're not supposed to be against, right? That's the politically correct, I guess, you know, position and then pits them against each other.

And now you're left with, what do I do? What do I say? Where am I supposed to? Which is really, really smart. Now, the funny thing to me is that people are trying to cancel him. First of all, good luck. Second of all, comedians are supposed to be untouchable.

Like, they're supposed to be untouchable. Unless they suck, if they suck, nobody pays, pays for tickets or whatever, that's fine. But they're supposed to be that way. In fact, that's like historically, for thousands of years, if the king was executing his gestures, that's what you knew the shit was about to hit the fan, because it was only the gesture. That was the whole goal.

The gesture's goal, like the whole point of one was to say things that nobody else could say and poke fun at the king and poke fun at the court and say what a lot of people are probably like they're dealing with that in their own mind. Right. Try to make light of that shit. Yeah. You know, conversations maybe behind closed doors or whatever. It's like, you know, I I know this thought is out there,

and let's see what that looks like and see how to kind of present it in a way where it just makes you think about multiple perspectives. Not just one that predominantly has the power position right now. Now name a person that you would rather smoke a joint with over Dave Chappelle. I can't many do. I think the ultimate. I'm Tony. He literally he he catapulted into brilliant dude. Oh, you went from good to great to absolutely brilliant. I would love and you know, by the way, have you ever seen him on shows where he's not

performing, but he just kind of like there was one with David Letterman. He had a great conversation. Yeah, and then there was there was one with Seinfeld where they're kind of hanging there was one with David Letterman. He had a great conversation. Yeah, and then there was, if you didn't see that, there was one with Seinfeld where they're kind of hanging out. And you can tell he's a deep thinking different kind of person. Like when he's on stage, he's way more charismatic, way more off stage. He's got this kind of interesting. And I kind of feel like that's the big change

that I've seen in his career is that, I guess he would, he used to be more dramatic and more goofy. Where I feel like he's talking to you now. And you can feel the confidence. It's got so much weight in his foot. Yeah, dude. He's an important voice. You know who is like that?

What's that one comedian, Carlisle? Oh yeah, George Carlin. Yeah, he was like that. Yeah. You reach that pinnacle of comedy where you could do that. Like at first you're just funny and then you get so good because he's been doing this for how many, how many years now decades, right? Yeah, that you get to that. Like that wasn't a, that's what's so sick too about Chappelle. I know we're sitting here pumping his tires like crazy. Like he literally that was a,

a completely brand new set. Like a lot of comedians, right? You listen, like I've listened to Bill Burr enough times that like there's like recycled jokes that always kind of make it into another show It's like rare now if you've heard someone enough of someone's material that you hear a whole set that is like nothing like another one And and what ends up happening a lot of times is that's kind of the when comedians start to go down as they they had they hit a couple Like home run jokes. They know they're smart. They keep that in there all time They go completely away from that and they just ain't got it anymore where his set was nothing You would have heard before it was literally all about the last year almost of his life and him just kind of Communicated that and then finding comedy in these very serious just I mean there's not a lot of times

I'll watch a stand up like that and I want to turn right back around and watch it again I want to watch me and I want to watch it with you guys even after I've already seen it. Speaking of goats, right? Tesla, you guys hear about Elon Musk, the big move. Yeah, Austin, officially now moving from California to Austin. Now, this is shocking to me because like, why would you move from the highest taxed most regulated? You big this day. Obviously. Mandated vaccines on all your employees, everything else.

Shut down his factory and all that stuff. Like, people are so fun to leave. Dude, people are so funny. They're like, it's an ego play. Well, it's the smart business play. Let's be quite honest. Like, this state is so terrible with that kind of stuff. And now he's moving his business over there

and they're moving all their jobs over. Do you have any idea on the estimation on what California loses in tax and then also employees when he does that? No, I don't know. That's a good question. That's a good question. I would be interesting to see

like the top 20 companies per se that actually contribute to California's tax. Well, didn't we lose a seat of representation because of the population? I don't know if we have yet, but we might. Yeah, California's tax. Well, didn't we lose a seat of representation? That was being talked about. I don't know if we have yet, but we might. Yeah, California's bleeding. It's bleeding residents to first time ever. A lot of other states. So, and it's not, that's not good. You know why it's not good? But the majority didn't want it to change. I know. Because thank you, everybody. You know why it's not a good thing? Because for all intents and purports,, if this just, if you look at the state of California, you can't find a more perfect physical location in place to live than California.

I'll compare California to any state in the country. It's not too hot, not too cold. We got mountains and snow. We got the ocean. We have incredible desert. We have the desert. We have incredible, you have incredible hiking and biking, and it's just, it's an incredible place to live.

It's not an island like Hawaii, so you're not trapped. You could go to different places. It's a gorgeous, incredibly beautiful state. I mean, here in the Bay Area, the weather is so mild that, you know how, let people know this. Now, most houses now in San Jose have air conditioning, but for a long time they didn't, because although it does get hot,

it's one week out of the year you'd have to sleep. That's it, it cools down at night, it's like incredible, right? And here, I can drive to the, I can drive the beach or the mountains within a few hours, I can see snow in ocean, right? You guys see the new, it just actually just came out, so funny talking about California,

the new medium house price in California? No, it's $10 million. No, no, no, but then we have some of the poorest areas in our state. So of course, those poorest areas are going to bring down the average of the super. So the average statewide is 800K. Wow. Wow. Wow. Now that will hold on.

You said median or average, which one? Because it's different. I think the article I should look it up was median. Yeah, so it's probably a median. So median is just the middle number. Average is you add them all up and then divide by the you know, the total, so that can be two different. But 800,000 is the median? Yeah.

In that wild. That is ridiculous. That's ridiculous. And I think that I wanna say the rest of the country is like 240, it's between 240 and maybe ducts and looks at that. Now here's the crazy thing. I've lived your my whole life, okay?

My entire life, this was the conversation that people would have. My entire life, people would be like, there's no way it could keep going up. Yeah, yeah. No, the house prices are gonna go up, are you serious? That's gonna be unaffordable. Guess what they can do. Watch me try.

They keep going up, dude. It's crazy. And it hasn't slowed down at all. No, you know. Now speaking of California, obviously the tech still, I guess, one of the tech capitals of the world, did you guys see, I think it was Google executives, what they were saying about AI. Did you guys see this whole, I mean, I've been following AI advancement quite a lot, but I did not see this as a recent article.

Yeah, so okay, so Guy Mo Gautot, G-A-W-D-A-T, is his name. Formerly the Chief Business Officer for Google's Moon Shot Organization, which was called Google X at the time, issued a warning in the times. In it, he says that he believes that artificial intelligence is basically is Basically gonna is like the terminator and it's inevitable saying that we're building this coming from the executive at Google Yes, he's he's he's basically he was part of one of the people that was working on this and that and he said this is Quote and I suddenly realized this is really scared I have scared it's kind of and it completely I suddenly realized this is really scary. I have scary-rated sky net.

And it completely froze me. He goes, the reality is we're creating God. And he's giving this warning. Come on, who, right here? Yeah, you, bro. You give me some credit. Hey, when we're all about to get destroyed, you're right, Justin.

I told you guys, we were creating the antichrist. And it's the computers. Dude, this is official intelligence. By the way, it's not creating God, you're creating Satan. That's what you're Becree with. Yeah, with AI. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I subscribe to that. Like I don't know I don't think that I mean I definitely think we have to do a lot of other things first before we get to something that actually would be able to be smarter than us and actually kill all of us off or that would even have that desire to do that like

There's so many more levels. That's the big and I feel like the big question. Would it want to? Yeah, it wouldn't want to maybe you know, here's the okay So here's the the gist of what do they call the singularity? I don't know look at all how the all the algorithms are pitting everybody against each other Yeah, you know like we make you ourselves first. That's what I mean. Or, or, that's the mode to me. That is the mode. But we will implode first. That's all part of this whole, like software, you know, technology, artificial intelligence, everything is like moving

in that direction even further. Well, here's another angle. Let's say scientists are like, okay, we're getting close to the singularity, which essentially this is the gist of it. Technology that becomes smart enough to create technology better than itself. At that point, it's going to accelerate so fast we can't even... I thought we already had that. I thought a computer can actually make already a

super... It can't invent things smarter than itself. Once that happens, forget about it. Like, all bets are off. We don't know what the hell is going to happen, right? But here's another angle. People are saying, well, what if scientists just made sure to program these AI machines to always protect and take care of humans? Okay. Now you got this AI that's super intelligent. That's rapidly evolving faster than we can even keep track of. They decide what's protecting you. And they decide that the biggest, I'm going to protect you. That would not be a good program. I'm going to put you to sleep. Right. What if it looks at us and says,

the biggest threat to humans is humans. And then it's like everybody in your bubble, locked in your home, and a few ciphers. We're gonna feed you, don't worry. We'll give you everything you need. We'll plug into the matrix, so you'll be happy with all the food. The average person's overeating by X amount,

we're gonna restrict food from it. Okay, the matrix, dude, I guarantee it, because they'll keep us around, but safe in a nice bubble, where we're just, you know, not. I guarantee it, because they'll keep us around, but safe in a nice bubble, where we're just, you know, not breathing real toxic air, you know, and we're all just like living in this simulation. Yeah, and you know what, you wouldn't even know, dude, because it would plug you in and you'd forget

everything that happened and you'd just be right now. Yeah, it could have happened already. Hey, speaking of conspiracies, Justin sends the most disturbing fucking video. What the hell was that? Oh, I saw that. Why I didn't see this? Okay, so there was like a video that's been starting to circulate.

I don't know where it came from. It looks like it might have come from like Mexico or something, but they were like showing this. It's human pig looking. That's what it was, right? The feature, which again, so we've heard about the human pig embryos that they've been experimenting with, you know, in other labs, you know, elsewhere, I'm China probably, but it, like,

this was actually a little pig that had like, the most disturbing looking face, and it had like a little tongue out had the most disturbing looking face and it had a little tongue out. It looked like an old man's face and this tongue kind of hang out. And it was like, and then I showing it off. So yeah, this is one of those things where I think we have this

weird animal deformity and then it just, it's like a mutant pig, but it kind of looks like a person. It has a little bit of a look like a person, and then this is how this stuff goes viral. Like, look, we're doing in labs right now and then everybody starts freaking out. That's my theory. It's like that one picture.

Did you ever see, and they think that it's just like a hairless raccoon that was near New Jersey, I think. They thought it was, yeah, they thought it was like some lab-created monster, you know, but it just, it turns out like it looks really freaky when you have a red mane with just in its skin. You know, yeah, where it loses all of its hair.

Yeah, and it looked like I had a beak and everything, it was like really creepy looking, but it was, yeah. Now, you know why that's always pigs, right? Whether I was talking about like working with pigs in human, no, because the, from what I've read, pig organs or in particular, pig heart is very similar to human heart. So theoretically, you could grow human hearts in pigs

and then take them out and use them for humans. So we could grow a bunch of human pigs. And then when we need the parts, the closest genetically, we could start messing with the organs. You have to be so torn between like wow How amazing that potentially could be right could potentially save lives, but then where are we going with this right like that? Well, I was when the pigs escaped Yeah, I say I just ate hey I just picture the pigs are smart enough to like say to talk

Be bacon I'm say listen. I'm sorry dude. We need your heart right now. You gotta kill you. Sorry, please don't. Oh my god, that's a nightmare. Let's terrifying too. They're just squealing all night. All right, I gotta change subject. Dude, I just wore to God bro, you send that.

And you know what the worst part about this by the way? I gotta tell you, audiences. It's the first fucking thing I see this morning. When did you send that late last night? Yeah, late last night. That's what I saw it, dude. I had to sleep after that. Ruin, ruin my morning.

I woke up, it was the first time I saw this. It's this little pig human baby. Why? Oh, it's terrible. Anyway, I'm gonna go different direction. So I've been reading about the potential application. Now, there's no studies to support this, all right? But there's just some, I've been reading about

and I've been speculating myself, the potential application of blue light blocking glasses to help with anxiety. Because anxiety can be triggered or amplified through physical feelings, right? So you can take caffeine if you're anxious and feel more anxious because you get those physical effects. Blue light, especially a lot of it can be very stimulatory to the body. So wearing daytime blue light blocking glasses, which don't completely block blue light, because that would make you tired and wanna go to sleep, but block enough to protect your eyes

and cause less damage. Also could theoretically cause a more calm, focused state rather than too much anxiety. I don't think that's a far reach at all. I think it makes a total sense right now. There's not, you know, I tried blue, are those Felix? Felix Ray?

What, you know what frame that is? I think not the Nash, but it says it on the inside of the frame. Yeah, let me see. I think it's Jamison, I think. You Jamison. Of course you get the whiskey one. There was, there's a new frame that Katrina just ordered. So I always got the Nash, which was like the smaller frame. Yeah. But I think they have a new frame that Katrina just ordered. So I always got the Nash, which was the smaller frame.

But I think they have a new one. I think it's Carver is even smaller than that. So if you have a narrow face or a beak face, like salads, I need a big ass glasses. Yeah, you need a big ass glasses. Wait, it's the credit card. Just call BDI. Oh my god.

I never since just said that. I just, what are you guys doing, bro was so much better since Justin said that I just Bro you come at my huge fat face. I need like big ol like grandma glasses Like those cow just ears like ski goggles He called Felix great. You guys carry these Like ski goggles for more of those all day. You guys are fun. I never said.

It's pretty good. All right, hey, Justin, what was that article you were gonna talk about with the robot at home thing? Oh, yeah, dude, there we go. I just wanted to put this out there. It's gonna be like throw, like all the way back up. I got your DM the other day. Yeah, I messaged him ahead of time,

so it's not like I'm totally rolling. He keeps doubling on this. I am, I'm already fully, I I'm all in you have to be okay So we'll put this we'll put this so you guys can see like there is a legit robot already the restaurant cleaning Yeah cleaning bathrooms and it like has a way that like sprays the floors like vacuums, you know it afterwards It like hoses everything down, it cleans. Super cool, not impressed with it towards the art. You can't take it fucking forks and put it in the dish.

How many steps does it take to go from the industrial version of that to the retail? Well, I mean, again, we already have, we can already take a rocket from here to the moon and we already have enough seats that people can be on it. So that's like the same argument, right? It is. The technology is there to get it done, but it's like the practicality of actually having normal people go to the moon or having a actual robot

in your house. Are you really saying it's more practical to fly humans on a private rocket to the moon for a trip than it is to have a small robot? Remember, you said regular people, right? You just tried to diminish this robot that has to actually do your dishes and put them in a dishwasher, because you guys are making leaps with that shit, dude.

No, hold on, I'm not fine. A robot that takes your dishes, puts them in the dishwasher, washes them, and puts them away. That's less practical than flying a bunch of private citizens, giving them trips to the other. I don't know yet, that's what we're trying to bet on improve. I believe it will be more practical for us to be able

to go to the moon and do that than that reality. We're being able to go to Australia anytime soon. I'll give you so many. What is the jet what's the jet since, because that's what I want from you guys. And until we get her, we're not doing what's in. What's in what's in. What's in.

What's in. What's in. Oh, I forget. Dog come on. This is your generation. I don't have to even beat off to release such a thing. What's the robot?

Every show had a robot. I've seen his, his, his, his search engine. Was it a Betsy? No, was a Betsy? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no robot Rosie. No, Rosie. No, Rosie. Rosie. I don't know. It is Rosie. You know that over there. Oh, oh, I was gonna say you tell you what did you I asked you something the other day and you didn't know what it was the line that I was talking about it from a movie. I'm like, how's this guy not seeing that line? Andrews. Yeah. Oh, the back to future line. Yeah. How did you not know that? It is Rosie, huh? Yes. Okay. All right. So we're like this. You're the one that keeps changing. Go on man

You're saying now the robot has to wear an apron no walk around. That's that what I mean Okay, I mean, but I'm saying actually like what just just and just sent some mechanical robot and that technology's been around I was doing with that shit when I was in high school. You want organic real? And they're all mechanical I mean, but it had multiple functions like Specifically for what you're asking. It was cool. No, it's not.

It's like really, it's blasting. Nobody would let that shit in there. Think about how clean your house would be. Nobody would let that shit in their house. This thing is like literally blasting a way better than this and then it's spraying the chemicals all over the wall. I'll give it to you. Like, yeah, I'll give it, I'll give this to you right now. I'm going to go harder on this bet. I'll give it to you. Yeah, I'll give it this year right now.

I'm gonna go harder on this bet. I'll keep that original bet. Cause I'm gonna win that for sure. Now it's not fair. Cause now you're getting ridiculous. I'm like, You guys gonna have another side bet. It's another side bet.

Okay. We're gonna have fuck robots before we fly regular people to moon back and forth. Well now that I actually think that comes before is the duty of dishes. Oh yeah, bro porn is always ahead of us. And they had a brothel already Oh, yeah. Bro, porn is always ahead of us and everything. They had a brothel already with, yeah, dude. I wouldn't take that bet.

I first saw full on fuck robot. Yeah, we're not that far from that. You know, we've less than even on porn hub. What, what do they have? That fuck robot, they're like, dude. They do, they do, they do. They do, they do. They're living dolls or something.

Yeah, I mean, they're dolls with facial expressions and vaginas that are supposed to feel like real vaginas. Like, all creepy people. All of that. Yeah. Yeah, no, I wouldn't take that, but they just lay there like, yeah, I see that happening before the dishes and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm thinking of the complexity. You know, all the money and innovation is going to the fuck doll. That's the way I look at it is like, you already have a lot of AI in our lives already, okay?

So it's I'm not looking for a you know What are the fucking Amazon things that you say Alexa? Yeah, Alexa I'm not looking for an Alexa thing that or a robot that's Technology I'm looking for something that will have the dexterity to be able to grab a fork wash it like you do and put it in a Dish, but that's gonna be and then then grab a fork, wash it like you do and put it in a dish, and then grab a plate and then a pot and everything. That's gonna be a lot harder than you think it is. It's gonna be like a Boston Dynamics robot, right?

The ones that have the experience. Yes, they can jump, they can back flip, they can do it like you do. And that's what it's gonna take. It's there. It is there, just like there's a rocket that goes to the moon. It's there. Yeah.

Okay, so which one is gonna happen first? Your average person cruising to the moon or us having these robots, like you guys are talking about in your house. God, I, you know, I, one thing I love about, I love about the show, it's recorded. So this is all, it's all documented. I don't know.

I mean, you guys can keep trying to change my mind, but until one of those happens, I'm already, I'm already throwing it. Bro, when this is, I can't push anymore of my chips in on this back. No, you can't. But when it happens, I swear to God, I'm gonna come to work in a T-shirt. Oh, we don't doubt, we don't doubt you Oh, we don't doubt we don't doubt you will

We don't doubt you will and Doug's got a running tally It's you keep for him all time. I'm not make sure you let out of no that was right again on that one right there Hey real quick. I hope you're enjoying the show. I'd like to talk about one of our sponsors Mass Zimes now they make digestive enzymes that helps you break down and utilize the macronutrients that you feed your body, proteins, fats and carbohydrates. Now if you find that after meals you get a little bloated or you have digestive issues, especially those you eating a high protein diet, digestive enzymes can make a tremendous difference. And Mass Zimes were designed specifically for fitness-minded individuals.

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Oh, good question. Okay. Muscular or lean? Well, they also got some decent muscle on their bodies compared to the average person. I'm gonna admit that. But here's the thing that people need to stop doing. Stop looking at the pinnacle of physical performance

and then using that as proof or evidence of a particular training methodology. Because here's what you're gonna find when you look at the top top level of any sport whether it be endurance or strength or whatever they all have exceptional genetics exceptional genetics so if you took the average person and you got them to train like an Ironman athlete They would not look like the top level well Ironman. Okay, decided, because I don't even know where this person is coming from at all. So I decided to put Iron Man athlete in Google

and look at the images, and I'm scrolling down right now, and I don't see anybody muscular. Here's what you need to understand, is that we all have muscle. Even if you don't train your muscles, you have muscle. And if you get really, really lean, you see more of that muscle. So the perception of them being muscular is that they're super lean. That's true. More than anything else. You don't see any buff iron man. No, ripped, but but lean. It's not an advantage. Yeah.

Yeah. Look at all the part showing who in there, would you define as muscular? Well, Doug, look up. I would say lean at best. Look up, and by the way, if you're in, I'm not, this is not me shitting on by any means. It's me trying to clarify someone, misconstruing what a muscular, the definition of what muscular is that, I would not define that as muscular at all. Doug, look up a top ranked Ironman athletes,

so we could get at least that, because here's a thing that, again, I wanna make this case here, at the highest levels of competition, people have incredible, incredible genetics to preserve muscle, even if they're trying to take it off their body. You're okay, we're scrolling right now.

We've seen already 30. I haven't seen one muscular person. No, yeah, I gotta agree. Yeah, I mean, some have some lean defined arms, but again, that's the, we know where we have 40 people, I mean, some have like some lean like defined arms, but again, that's a really, we know where we have 40 people, 50 people, how many more top ranked Iron Man and women do you need to see before it's a terrible definition? But they put, but to be fair, they look different than the top then there's runners. Yeah, you know, because they do, they do incorporate more of the body cycling and they're swimming. Yes, but yeah, so they build a little bit more muscle.

But I'm gonna make this fast-twish movement. But again, I'm gonna make this argument. You take the average person, you have them trained, just like a top level Iron Man athlete, they probably won't look like that. Because when you're at that level, you have the genetic ability to preserve muscle even when you try and take it off your body.

Sure, sure. So yes, they're not jacked, but they have more muscle than they're like someone. I mean, I guess you're a point and you're right. Like your point is it's, it's, it's, I mean, it's just like a body building, like you should not look at body buildings. No. And compared, well, they only do, they train this way or do this.

It's like, dude, they're all, you're in an anomaly. If you are the, if you are on the, the start of a strange to build on. Yeah. You know, regardless of an apple, all that bullshit, like that, it takes us certain genetics to get to that level. So I get your point where you're going. I'm just saying that to me,

this highlights more what we've shared before about being lean is I remember, okay, my whole career, trying to get bigger and never being on a diet and cutting because I never had a problem with being kind of leaner. I always couldn't get bigger. And the first time I decided to get lean, I got more, you look huge and big compliments than I ever had in my life. And that's just because you can see my muscle more.

Okay. And so I didn't get, I didn't add any more muscle. You just leaner. Yeah. Here's a better comparison. If you want to compare two similar sports, one more aerobic and endurance-based. Sprinter versus, yes.

Yeah. Do a sprinter versus an endurance. They are buff. Look at the difference. Yes, for sure they're buff. You look at a sprinter, look at a long distance runner, and there's a dramatic difference in how their bodies look.

Yes, sprinters are buffish, shit. And that's because they're not running for longer than about 30 seconds. Yeah, it's the same thing with those cycle races where they sprint through and do those. Oh, bro, there's just one athlete. I don't know his name. His legs look ridiculous. It looks like a Godzilla. It's insane looking. But, you know, okay, so this is the example I like to give to people because trying to explain the range of genetic variance there is for

the range of genetic variance there is for muscle building, it feels a bit abstract, because you can't necessarily see it, like just with people walk around, and you can see it, but it's not as easy to see as like height, it's easy to see with height. And if you think about the amount of times you've seen anybody in real life,

I'm talking about everyday life, going to the grocery store, going to the store, you know, going to work, think of all the times in your life you've ever seen about everyday life, going to the grocery store, going to the store, you know, going to work. Think of all the times in your life you've ever seen anyone that was over seven feet tall. Either A, never in your life, unless you went to an NBA game, or B, once, and you remember it, I literally, one time in my life saw someone,

aside from watching a pro game, saw a guy over seven feet, I was at the airport, and I remember looking and going, that's a giant, that's a great thing. And he was probably an NBA player. B.J. Armstrong and Bill Cartwright came into my restaurant and it was just like, it was like a giant. It's just like, entered the building. And that's one end of the extreme with height, right?

On the other end of the extreme, right, are people with dwarfism and then everybody else's, most people are somewhere in the middle. That's what it's like for muscle building. Those giants that are so rare, you never see them in real life, that's how rare it is to have the muscle building genetics, that produce the freaks that you see that you go,

I don't wanna look like that. If I, if I look for it, it's I'm gonna end up looking like that. No, you won't, you're not, because the odds are you don't have that one in a billion. Yeah, you know, top of that. I just think that this highlights more that perception of what lean is.

That's what I think. I think people, and that just shows you, that's what's great about getting really lean. If you've never leaned out and got to single-digit body fat, like you will look more muscular. So if your turn's heads, yeah, so if you're somebody who's watching and listening and you're always trying to bulk

because you already feel like, I wish someone would have told me that like sooner because I spent 10 years on a bulk, you know, thinking that I need to get bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. The minute I decided to lean out, and just get really shredded, all of a sudden everybody thought I got bigger.

I remember, like, one of my excro-friends telling me that, like, you're better off being skinny with abs than being big with no abs, and was so pissed off about that, because I just want to be big, and I don't care. I never subscribe. Bigger. That don't care. Never subscribe.

That's a lie. I just... Curialize. Next question is from Danny Bartelt. What is the best way to even out the quads? Bulgarian splits quads. Yeah. Any unilateral exercise.

Yes. Train one side at a time and allow the weaker side to dictate the reps and the weight that you use on the stronger side. And you know, I'm going to take this even further. Most people do not go through a two or four month training block where everything they do is unilateral. One of the best ways to improve your aesthetics is to develop tremendous symmetry. And in studies, support this, by the way.

Studies will show that people who are considered beautiful typically have incredible facial symmetry. And this is true this by the way studies will show that people are considered beautiful typically have incredible facial symmetry and this is true for the body as well. Left to right symmetry and of course balance between upper and lower body and training one side at a time doing unilateral leg exercises unilateral arm exercises really does develop kind of this this side to side symmetry and balance And then when you go back to your double arm, double leg exercises, you do notice a profound effect on your stabilization and just how you feel, how solid you feel with those lifts. And it tends to break you past, you know, plateau.

I think you can make the case also for injury prevention. Of course, I think that as a trainer, I remember seeing a lot of that. If you had some major discrepancy from left to right, that's a lot of times had chronic pain. You have this chronic pain on that weaker side because your body is not working together. It's overcompensating on one side more than the other, which causes chronic pain a lot of time.

Usually starts out nice and subtle. I know for me, for instance, just being stuck in traffic more often and having my foot on the pedal, and then externally rotating my foot. And that's just over time just continuously doing that same repetitive movement goes up the kinetic chain. I start to feel my knees,

start to feel it up into the hip. And so to be able to address those individually, to make sure that everything is stabilizing properly and then everything's in better alignment that way. You know, lateral training is so crucial to that. I'll give you a machine that's great for this. Adam was big on this when we first brought this. Yeah, single leg press.

I love that for this. That's a great, actually brought it up for that. It's like, I actually, you know that I never leg press. I love that for this. That's a great body brought it up for that. It's like I you know that I never Leg press bilateral Once I once I like introduce my started training unilateral more often and I started to leg pros like Because here's the way I looked at it was Most pretty strong people can leg press you know Impressive. Yeah, I don't even know how many plates I got up to I definitely could fill the whole thing up right to the leg pressing

Which you know as a kid at the when getting got up to. I definitely could fill the whole thing up, right? To the leg pressing, which, you know, as a kid, when I get into that point, I thought it was so cool, but it's just not practical. I could do half the weight with one leg and get even a better workout because I'm doing single leg. And I can keep my legs balanced by starting with my less dominant leg,

let it dictate the reps that I do for that X amount of weight. And then I also save a ton of time of unracking all that weight because unracking, you know, 20 plates off the leg press machine, just to look cool. This is where you get like, all these guys like jumping on top of it.

And, you know, it's like this. Go do one leg. Go do one leg. And you'll be, and that was like a goal for me was to get one leg, at least caught up to half of what I could do with both. And you'll be surprised for someone who never trains this way. You might be able to leg press 10 plates, but I bet you can't do five.

That's a good one. That's a really good point. I think people might assume that because they're using one side, they can do half. That's almost never the case. So if you could bench press 200 pounds, you probably can't do 100 pounds with just one hand. Now, if you get to the point where you could do that, yes.

Then you go lift with two arms. You feel so solid and connected and so stable. I noticed this with single leg deadlift. I did them for a while and then went to a traditional deadlift and it was like the bar fell. I mean, it felt so different. And learning how to just anchor, so if it's anchoring your hips so they're still straight ahead, you know, it takes a lot of effort and a lot of core strength and stability, same with, yeah, if you're doing that 100 pound dumbbell and trying to bench press that up,

like just to be able to maintain, you know, a rigid structure in your body is so massively beneficial once you go back to bilateral training. Next question is from T-Serk. How long to stick to a program? So it depends on the program. If they broke up, if they have phasing in the program. Yeah, I was just going to say what you want to think about is this is that you have your big program goal, but then within your program you should have changes to the workout to keep moving you in that particular direction. So for example, MAPS and Obolic, right?

This is our foundational workout program. The main goal of MAPS and Obolic is strength, muscle, and then for those people who want fat loss, metabolism boosting. And it's a very effective program for that. But when you break the program down, you have three phases, and if you count pre-phase, you have four phases. In each phase is pretty different. The different rep ranges, different tempo, different rest periods, even different combinations

of exercises. Now, each one of those phases, though, works towards that ultimate goal. Now, that all being said, your your big ultimate goal, you probably ideally, and this depends, if I'm talking to an athlete, it's going to be much longer. Like if you're a power lifter, then most of the time you're training, it's to get better at powerlifting. But if your main goal is overall fitness, overall muscle building, fat loss, and health, I think you should change the big goal probably every three, four months is what I would say, where you go from like max muscle building

to athletic performance and functionality to sculpting the body, to correctional exercise. I think that's kind of a general but good advice, right? About three, four months. Yeah, this question also highlights too how and why we priced our program, so what we did. So I remember when we first were looking in the space as far as like what is the average online,

digital online program sell for, low end, high end, and what does it look like? The average program online, you can find programs all day for like 27 to 59 dollars give it 30 days. Yeah, but they're all like a single phase. you know, and then and you should be done with that after you shouldn't repeat that program over and over where when we wrote the maps programs, we wrote them with the intent you could potentially follow it over and over.

So it was not something that you had to do and move on from that. You technically could do maps and a ball like two, three, four times in a row because the way we phase you in and out. Now, I do think there's tremendous value in what you said is, yeah, after like three or four months, it's actually really good to even move on to another goal. But you technically could stay in that, with that goal and actually continue, especially for a beginner who's really just starting to start their journey. You could run anabolic two, three times in a row because of the way we built in the phasing, which is also why we price it higher because it's almost like

three individual programs built into one. Exactly, but ideally, right? Just use our programs as an example. Ideally, you would go like maps and a ball to maps performance, to maps aesthetic, which is about nine months, right? That gives you nine months of kind of workout programming. And then like you said, Adam, within each program, there are individual phases, which technically you're right could totally be considered work out. Well, then to like there's other factors,

you know, that go into play with that in terms of like when the joints inevitably start talking to you, okay? You're staying in the same plane a bit too long. You're doing barbell training specifically exclusively a bit too long. And all these things that aren't like coming back to reinforce the integrity of the joints and really even address that at all. And so this is why we do recommend anabolic to performance, then it's aesthetic too. There's rhyme and reason behind the whole thing,

but I think that if you're just like trying to figure all this out on your own, it's quite a lot to consider, like how are you gonna weave that into your programming and really account for that so you can still progress. Like we wanna make sure you're still progressing and you're not gonna hit that wall or hit a place where, you know, your shoulders are gonna give out at you're still progressing, and you're not going to hit that wall or hit a place where your shoulders are going to give out at you

at some point because you've just been overwhelming it with loss of stress. That's such a good point. And I know I just said that you could technically run Annabelle or one of those programs, two, three, four times. I don't know, but what happens to most people if you do that is exactly what you said. Search for stress.

Yeah, because Annabelle is heavily dominated by bilateral movements and in the sagittal plane, almost everything in there. And doing that, you really limit what the body is capable of doing. And when we wrote performance, that was why it was, because this is a good time to address this, because I got a question recently in one of my stories about why performance,

what was the logic behind performance after? Well, that's exactly the logic. We looked at it as if someone's training in just a sagittal plane bilaterally in almost all their exercises for three months consistently, even if they're progressing beautifully and could technically do that again and continue to see muscle building and fat loss goals, we think for overall optimization for like joint health and overall health, it would be very wise to do some unilateral stuff, multi-plane stuff, do mobility work, to complement that work before you move on

to the other people. So to that point, yes, you could run our programs, but we thought about all that when we wrote the order of it and there is more to it than just, oh, okay, you should train like a strong person, oh, you should train like a mobile person, oh, you should train like a mobile person, oh, you should train like a aesthetic person. It's not just that basic.

We took into consideration all the common things that you would see arise from training in one of those programs. Because inevitably, what do you see? You see like elbow sleeves, knee sleeves, like you see like wrist wraps, like, you know, all that stuff starts to kind of come into the sessions because just the inevitable happens where it's repetitive stress on the joints that just adds up.

Next question is from Rui Marquez Insta, is H&B worth it? H&B, you guys remember that supplement got all crazy and it was like all over the ads and stuff. Yeah, this was actually not one that I really got into. Really? So, okay. So, hydroxy methyl butorate, you could call it, right? That's what H&B stands for. It's an active metabolite of loosing.

The amino acid that is really closely tied to the anabolic effects of protein. So, the more loosing protein has So the more loose scene protein has, the more anabolic it has. Now I will say this, if your protein intakes high, does it matter? As much, it's if your protein intakes is below that, you know, what studies will show to be the upper limit

of where you'll get benefit from high protein. Now I remember when HMB was first came out, it was EAS that was really pushing it. EAS at the time also sold Kriatine. Now Kriatine is just, it's the best natural supplement just hands down that you can find. It's good for you, it works, it builds muscle, improves recovery, it's got heart health benefits and cognitive benefits and it's just a great supplement all the way around. And EAS tried to kind of follow on the heels of creatine with HMB. And I remember reading an article and this will haunt, I think it'll haunt Bill Phillips

till forever. The literally article said, creatine is like D ball and HMB is like Deca. Like he was trying to say, you get explosive gains with creatine and you'll get slow and consistent gains with HMB. I, and by the way, studies show HMB to be great for presenting, excuse me, preventing muscle breakdown in certain populations. It helps with muscle building and strength.

So there are studies to show and support it. In fact, you know those insure drinks that they get to old people or whatever. They now will have HMB in them to help with old people to prevent muscle loss. Now, I've tried H&B at least a hundred times because of the studies. And I've taken monster doses of it to make it work

or whatever. It does, here's why it doesn't do shit because my protein intakes high. It didn't do anything for me when I was supplemented because it didn't do much. The value with H&B might be the similar you'd find with branching amino acids, which is if your protein is low, then you may get some benefit from taking HMB. Let's say you're vegan and you're not hitting your 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body

weight because it's harder to do with plant sources. HMB might be beneficial to you. Other than that, it's just, it's one of those supplements that didn't even come close to meeting the hype. Have either of you heard Laine speak on this before? He's someone who I'd love to hear talk about H&B. He says, Lucy, just do Lucy,

because Lucy has been shown to do the same thing. Yeah, I was just sure. I know that his thesis was on that. So I imagine that he would have a really intelligent answer to. If you compare Lucy to HMB in similar studies, you find that it doesn't make a difference, except for HMB's way more expensive. HMB's a much more expensive supplement.

I can see benefit in some populations. Like I said, low protein. Yeah, but then why not just take losing then? Uh, you exactly. Why not just give them losing? So it's really worthless because even where it has some value, there's a product that's cheaper and would do as good of a job if not better. Yeah, I know.

So that to me, that's enough to do. But one time I saw some benefit, I was taking, I don't remember the dose, I was like three grams three times a day, which is way higher than you're supposed to. So I'm not advocating for this. I do like to experiment on myself with supplements. And it was during a period where I was cutting really aggressively and by protein intake, even wasn't high enough because my calories were so low.

And then I felt like I got a little bit of a benefit. But it never added up to the cost of buying all this freaking HMB that I took. So it's one of those supplements that I just say, you know, you're probably, look, here's a deal. If your protein intake is low and you want to take amino acids to help preserve your muscle, buy branch-shamingo acids, way cheaper, they're high in losing, right? One of the branch-shamingo acids is losing. Typically, a good branch-shamingo acid supplement will have like a 2-1-1 ratio.

So, the highest amino acid is losing and isolucine in valine, so 2-1-1. And that'll do what the H&B is gonna do and it's much cheaper. Or your better option is increase your protein intake. Take a protein powder, which gives you all the amino acids and has all the benefits of preserving muscle. But yeah, this is one of those supplements that,

it was, the marketing was so heavy behind it in the 90s and the early 2000s. Like, they spent so much money marketing it, and it absolutely never lived up. Like I've heard of it, but also, I got it confused. What's the other one called? It's like a muscle relaxer, it's like a drug. H, it's something like that.

It sounds like H&B, but you guys. Come on you guys. I like all the drugs. Yeah, yeah. And it's supposed to be like a muscle relaxer. Yeah. I don't know. I have no idea.

Is it a prescription drug or is it like an acid? No, no, it's illegal, I think. It's illegal? Illegal. Oh, it's illegal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I don't know. I was looking to add think. It's illegal? Illegal. Oh, it's illegal. Illegal. Oh, I don't know. Everyone's looking to add them.

Adam, what are the illegal drugs you're like? Well, shit. I'll never know. Yeah. I mean, how do you measure it in grams and ounces? Hold on a second. Wasn't there a, okay, now I can't remember it. Wasn't there a drug that used to be sold?

Yeah, I know this for a fact, just don't remember the name. It used to be sold in supplement stores because it raised growth hormone and then people would take it before we're in a bed and it would help them sleep. It talks you, yes. It talks you, Bolly?

No, no, no, no, it's not, bro. If people used to take it to party. Yes, yes. Oh, you're talking about, here we go, I got, so I have some of that somewhere. No, you can do that. I have some. Allegedly, bro. You're talking about, here we go. I have some of that somewhere. No, you do. Yeah, allegedly. You're talking about GH.

No, not GH, that's growth hormone. No, no, no, it's called, it's called, it's the acronym is called GMB or GHB. GHB. GHB. That's what it is. GHB. That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah, yeah. No, not the same. Give me the GHB. I remember, got I remember my first experience trying that stuff. So, gee, this is so g-t-o-s, this is g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, g-t-o-s, Yeah, you're REM sleep faster like you instantly go into a new bodybuilder and I remember my first I'll never forget the first. Please don't take don't do it Yeah, we're not just cuz I'm telling somebody a drug store. Gamma hydrox computer eight. There you go. Yeah, GHP right? So I mean what okay? That's the what it what exactly is it? derived from and like what is it used for is it used for anything right now? This like like the pride I know what it is on the black market used for, but what is it used for?

Oh, yeah. I heard it was like used for like cleaning computers and shit. Oh, really? Interesting. It's a central nervous system, depressing that is commonly referred to as a club drug or date rape drug.

Body builders would use it to get into their REM sleep as fast as you could. And I remember the first time that I tried this, I was at my house, I remember I was scared of death to try it and I had a buddy that was peer-pressuring me and do it and I'm easily peer-pressured to try drugs. And so I go, okay, I'll try this out because it's just me and you and it's safe, right?

So I take it. Oh no, it was a different, really. Yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah. He pressured you? I'm sure he was a friend. We used to be friends, no, it's, so. Where's my pants? What happened, I passed out on the couch afterwards, I just fell asleep and he came back,

he went to the bathroom or something, we were watching TV, it was late at night and he went to the bathroom, he comes back and him coming back into the living room startled me enough to wake up and I woke up and I thought I slept through the whole night. I get to know I went, oh my God, and I just felt so rested and it felt,

it literally felt like I had full night sleep and I thought it was like early in the morning, like five or six in the morning and it had only been like 20 minutes. And he's like, I was like, how long have you been gone for? He's like, I just went to the bathroom, I came back and I'm like, what? That's what it felt like.

Bro, they used to sell this at supplement stores in the 90s. I believe the early 90s and it would, because it raised growth hormone, and they sold it as something to help you sleep. By the way, this will kill you. You take too much, very dangerous. You take too much, you go to sleep, you don't wake up. Yeah, and it was, I mean, I was,

I experimented with like a little tiny cap for us. Yeah, so small. Yeah, and then people are like, oh, this is fun to take at the club because you feel like you're drunk, that's what I heard. It's kind of fun. It's no alcohol, and then friend told me.

Yeah, I don't know. And I've never used it before, but anyway, it's kind of fun. It's no alcohol and then I've been told me. Yeah, I don't know. And I've never used it before. But anyway, it's crazy to sell it as a supplement and now it's one of these, you know, whatever. But it's not H&B, not even close. Just a little side track there. Don't try. Bring it home.

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