Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1666: The Truth About Fasted Cardio, How the Pump Helps You Build Muscle, the Residual Muscle Building Effects of Prior Steroid Use & More

Episode Date: October 20, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether fasted cardio really makes a difference, the effect former steroid or growth hormone use has on your current muscle growth, the benefits in adding bands or chains on the big 3, and whether getting a pump does anything for hypertrophy. Startling statistics for the US Fitness Industry from 2020. (4:10) Mind Pump Investments: Mindbody acquisition, supply/demand chain issues, and the state of the market. (6:17) Proud son moment for Sal. (12:49) Mind Pump’s go-to bedtime regimen with Organifi’s Gold Juice. (16:18) Justin’s run-in with Pavel Tsatsouline, and the pros/cons of certifications. (17:56) Shout out to Kim Constable, aka the Sculpted Vegan. (28:19) A study shows that women who eat more animal protein have more muscle than women who don’t. (29:46) An update on the Resistance Training Revolution. (32:36) Demi Lovato, stay in your lane. (35:54) Joe Rogan roasts Dr. Sanjay Gupta. (38:51) Vuori is KILLING it! (41:27) #Quah question #1 – Does fasted cardio really make a difference? (46:00) #Quah question #2 – If you’ve taken growth hormones or steroids in years past, do they still affect your current muscle growth? (52:30) #Quah question #3 – Are there any benefits in adding bands or chains on the big 3 or any other workouts? Or is it too much overtraining? (57:26) #Quah question #4 - Does getting a pump do anything for hypertrophy? (1:01:15) Related Links/Products Mentioned October Promotion: MAPS Anabolic and NO BS 6-Pack Formula – Get Both for $59.99!    U.S. Fitness Industry Lost $20.4 Billion in 2020, Comeback on Horizon, Per IHRSA Report Mind Pump #1655: The Best Natural Treatment For Anxiety & Depression Mindbody acquires ClassPass in all-stock deal and secures $500 million investment Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Five Branches University Relationship between animal protein intake and muscle mass index in healthy women The Resistance Training Revolution – Book by Sal Di Stefano Demi Lovato Thinks "Alien" Is a "Derogatory" Term for Extraterrestrials #1718 - Dr. Sanjay Gupta - The Joe Rogan Experience Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Vuori Gets $400 Million Investment From SoftBank Visit Oli Pop for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “mindpump” at checkout for 15% off your first order** Is Fasted Cardio a Good Way to Lose Weight? - Mind Pump Blog Rubberbanditz Resistance Band Set Mark Bell Sling Shot   Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Brendon Ayanbadejo (@brendon310)  Instagram Pavel Tsatsouline (@strongfirst) Instagram KIM CONSTABLE (@thesculptedvegan)  Instagram Mikhaila Peterson (@mikhailapeterson)  Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Mark Bell (@marksmellybell)  Instagram  

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. SALTA, Steffanau, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episode was an intro portion, just where we talk about current events.

We bring up scientific studies and we even mention our sponsors. Science. So here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about the fitness industry stats from 2020, just how badly did the fitness industry get hurt in particular the gym industry in 2020? Kind of crazy.

Took a massive black eye. Then we talked about how mine body just bought class pass. This is an interesting merger. I talked about the proud moment I had with my parents. I talked about my bedtime drink regimen that I incorporated with Justin, Adam, and Doug. You're such a sweetheart.

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and check this gold chocolate out. By the way, organifies gold is great for inflammation, great for relaxation, taste incredible in milk or almond milk. That's why I take it before bed. Then we talked about, add us Justin, his story with kettlebells at Gold's Gym. This is a story he's never told us before. Just kind of weird. Shocked them a little on this one.

Then I talked about the sculpted vegan Kim Constable. Love her. She's really cool. Go check her out on Instagram. Then I talked about a study correlating or connecting animal protein to more muscle and women. I gave an update on the resistance training, training revolution book. We talked about Demi Lovato, the smartest human on earth. Great idea. Then we talked about Joe Rogan's interview with Sanjay Gupta,

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I read an article this morning about the fitness industry in 2020. Do you know that it lost $20 billion? Holy. Wait, now what are they counting in that? Jim closures and everything like that. Was it mostly gym or was it like the whole industry? That's where most of the loss came from. Of course. They were counting the whole industry, but it mostly is the gyms that make out that now. Now you wanna know what's funny about that?

So first of all, that's not funny, that's crazy. That's terrible. And most of that. Now I'm gonna be honest, I think you still would have had losses. I don't think there would have been nearly as big if they weren't forced. But here's what's crazy about that. Along with that was a doubling of the speed of increase of childhood obesity and obesity

among adults. So fitness industry loses 20 billion and people get fatter, faster than ever before. Probably connect the rise in anxiety and depression too, because that went through the roof. Correct. So, and now, are they directly connected? Yeah, I think so. I think there's a direct connection there.

Yeah, I mean, I definitely think there was obviously, anxiety and depression around, I'm sure COVID caused a lot of that. I'm sure the loss of jobs or not, of course, work and socialized cause that too. But there's definitely a big piece of like the not allowing people to exercise that has to kind of play. Well, we just we just did the episode on exercises effects on anxiety and depression

according to peer-reviewed clinical study not just our experience and it's profound. It's as effective or maybe even more in the long term for mild to moderate anxiety and depression. So now imagine this, right, as medication. So now imagine this. You have prescription medication, which again, studies show that exercise to be as effective for the mild to moderate, you know, forms of anxiety and depression. Imagine if we took away everyone's anxiety and depression medication during the whole period of time. Then people, for sure, would say,

of course there's a rise in anxiety and depression, but when you take away exercise, they don't make that connection, but it's a big one. Yeah, yeah. Now, what do you guys think about, like during a time like that, where it's just lost 20 billion, a company like,

did you see what happened with mine body? Did you guys see which, they just, okay, so mine body just acquired class pass. So like a like a $500 million. I didn't know that was still around. Is that the one where you jump into different games? So yeah, I mean, they're comparing it to a Facebook

buying Instagram as far as how they work together, right? So mine body is like the booking for studios and so like that. And then class pass is like the subscription service. So they're both software, but they both complement each other. And so it's just the ideas that you can book classes and subscription all in one now by my body purchasing class pass.

Now I wonder if, now they bought it during the pandemic? Yeah, they bought, I mean, they just acquired it, but they both, I mean, I don't know what class, that's a good dog I get where you're going right now. I wonder if class pass was hurting. I don't know. Yeah, like if they bought it on sale. Yeah, I don't know if they were hurting right now

and during this time or not. I wonder if it's a good time because we have friends that are like industry leaders, right? And Jim business and they were doubling down during that period because obviously you're gonna have reduced competition later on. Last minute standing, I mean it's kind of one of those things like whatever gyms are left are gonna be the go to gyms.

Well I talked to Brendan all the time, I mean they're still aggressively buying. That's what I mean, I wonder if it's a better time to buy because everything's so cheap. I mean there's when there's blood on the street, right? Yeah, so I mean, I's when there's blood on the street, right? Yeah. So, I mean, I imagine what this company is banking on, right? Imagine what my body is banking on is the surge, right?

That eventually, you know, Delta starts to slow down. Hopefully, I think start to normalize a little bit and then when that happens, we're gonna see this massive, it's very similar to what everyone's saying is gonna happen in the economy. I mean, there's this idea that is crazy of, you know, we've been running for what, nine years now, that we're still going to, we haven't even seen the crazy surge or the greed yet.

So, you know, the theory is that this next year, if things start, if so long as things calm down with delta, I mean, delta getting worse or another variant coming, it could make change everything. But so long as things continue to improve and more people get vaccinated, the Delta variant starts to get go down. It is on its way down. Yeah, so if it's on its way down, more people vaccinated. If we don't see another crazy variant that starts to scare, but again, everybody is saying that we're going to see a massive surge in economy. Well, before the Great Depression and before the 2008 crash, everything was on a super hot run. Remember, before the Great Depression was roaring 20s and before 2008, which we were all old enough to remember, everything was on fire.

Things were crushing. Besides a small blip in 2001 after September 11th, it was this crazy run. So not to... Well, I mean, you did see an insane surge of equipment sales and obviously that's because of just it's still like that By the way, too. Yeah, like I was curious to if there's any statistics on that just because you know You know even work with partners that are just you know We know they have to be killing it right now because everybody needs that at their house And they don't have access to a gym. I mean, it's just well

It's the same thing that's going on in the car industry where they might be a little handcuffed too. Yeah. Like as far as getting them into the disambusion, and distribution, getting it made. So it might be like the best and worst case scenario at once, right? It's like, you got all this demand, but then you can't supply everybody

because you're supply-generating it. Dude, how frustrating with that. Oh, well, when we were talking to our friend Jason, who obviously he manages, you know, big dealerships in California here, and he's talking about how so many dealerships have so few cars on the lot because of the crunch, the supply crunch, and that some places you go on the lot and there's almost nothing. And then if you want to get a new car, you have to order it, and then you got to wait six months or a year to get it. So that's why the use car market is exploded. I my cousin's my cousin bought a car and like four years ago sold it and he was used when he bought

it. So or three years ago. Bought it three years ago used sold it recently for a little more than he bought it for three years ago. Yeah because the people well, I think Justin didn't you shop your Yeah, we're shopping Courtney's car on because we're thinking about maybe upgrading and it was like we could get It was five thousand dollars more than what we actually paid for it initially You're right. So it's like this is crazy. There's no brainer. It doesn't happen with cars. No cars always loses all new Yeah, but the only downfall of that is. Nice left without a car. Yeah, you sell that. It's now it's hard for you to find a car. So part of the reason why you can get that much for it

is because there's not like, you know, especially when you have a car like a nice to knowly like that, there's not a lot of those running around for sale right now. So yeah, you can get this premium price for it. You sell it. Now you gotta go find a car that you want to replace that. And good luck finding the car you want,

especially if you think you're gonna upgrade. But people are starting to work. They're working horses again. Yeah. That's gonna help. Yeah. Watch market same thing. It's crazy what's happening on that side.

All the luxury watch market. I mean, I think, so I was reading this article, I wish I remember the name. I'll have to look it up and circle back to you guys, but I sent it over to Doug this morning and it talked about two brands, of course, two of the brands that I didn't buy stock in. But you guys remember, I don't know if you guys bought the stock I did. I bought stock. I remember that. Yeah, the luxury brand. That

was a company that would deliver luxury. Yeah, they were just an online, and there's a lot of people moving in that market now, and the article talked about two of the leaders in the space, neither the two were the one I bought stocking, unfortunately. So is the one you buy stocking, is it doing better? I haven't even gone on my thing to look at since I just read that article this morning. And I didn't get it. I didn't get it in my portfolio.

Yeah, I know. I'll look. I mean, I'm sure it's not crazy, but I hope it's up a little bit. But it wasn't one of the two that I just read and the article that are booming. But it's crazy. What's cool is that,

like so the car cars are trying to build more to make up the demand. Houses are trying to build more of a demand. But the luxury watches, Rolex and Pateek Philippe, so they won't make any more. They make a certain amount per year, and it doesn't matter if they, of the, of the, where the economy's at up or down or people buying or more, it's like, limit it's the point. They limit it always. That's they've done that with that brand forever,

which is part of the reason why it holds its value so much right now. Did you know that with diamonds, that they do that with diamonds, they've done that for years, it gives you a few people that own the diamond mines and they restrict the production of diamonds on purpose to keep the prices high on those. At least that's what I've read.

Oh yeah, pretty well. Yeah, speaking of cars, I gave my car to my dad over the weekend. Oh wow, he met you and I get sun. I'll tell you what dude. Making Justin and I look bad. Well you know what? Hopefully my mom doesn't hear that. The fuck?

Only Sal got his dad in court with Sal. I paid for his movie ticket. Only kids I recently. Well, you know what? Hopefully my mom doesn't hear that. Yeah. The fuck? Only sad got his dad in court with sad. I paid for his movie ticket. Only kids that recently. Only kids that love their parents. Yeah. I don't know. No, you know what it is, is that as a kid, I remember daydreaming about this where I,

where one day, except my parents, you guys know the story, right? My parents were poor immigrants, my dad, he didn't even go to school. I think he went to third grade or second grade, because he was so poor. Worked seven days a week for as long as I can remember as a kid. Always was at dinner with the family. Always made time for us. My mom working hard. When I was a kid, she would split napkins in half to save money. And going out to dinner was McDonald's. That was a big deal when I was real little. But they were able to provide a middle class life for themselves and their four kids through just being this way And I remember as a kid thinking like daydream like, oh man one day

I hope I could like do something nice for my parents just to you know just to do some forms. So anyway I I did that gave it to my dad and he was so Happy and so proud and he says, you know, this was you know I came to this country and, you know, to give you guys a better opportunity. And now that you guys, you know, and he's referring to me in my siblings, because my sister's done similar stuff, right? And my other brother too.

And he goes, now that now I feel, I'm so proud that my kids, you know, do this for him. All of them, right? Every one of you guys have done really well, right? Pretty well. I mean, my other sister, she does okay, but working class family, but they do pretty good. My youngest sister, she got with Zoom early on, and so she had stocking it.

My brother's an investment baker, and he does really well. He does a good job. And everybody's hard working and honest. But it was so nice to hear my mom starts crying, and she's talking about how, because my mom came here when she was four and Her dad she was telling the story to Jessica about her my her dad came here

It was even worse for him because it was even before my dad came here He would work as a custodian and would work two or three times during the day and would wake up my mom and her brother At four o'clock in the morning on Mondays before school to come with them to help them clean movie theaters and then he would drop them off at school afterwards and she's like crying and talking about all this and how proud they are. It makes you feel really good.

Yeah, that's cool. That's awesome. Did you do like a whole Oprah reveal with it? You get it like in the... Can you drive my car back for me? I'm not good at way it's yours now. I'm not good at that. You guys know me, dude. I get excited.

And then I gotta tell you, you know, right away. Yeah, but it was really happy. And by dad, I'll tell you what. Just to see you guys get an idea. My dad, the car that he currently drives, has 240,000 miles on it. Now, it runs great because he takes care of that car

like it's a child. Like every little thing is taking care of it. How it runs great because he takes care of that car like it's a child. Every little thing is taking care. How many years has he had it? I came in. You got your it is? I don't know. He's that for a long time obviously. He's got two cars. One's 240,000 miles is 220,000 miles and he takes care of them like whatever you get it from. You had that jettna until just last year wasn't it? Yeah, I think I had a really good music video though. That's always my dad, why do you get rid of it? It's still good.

That's always what he said. It still works. It's pretty funny. Where are you with Sweetheart? You were a sweetheart while we were up in trucky the whole time too. You must be feeling all soft and fuzzy inside. Was that really? Yeah, you made us our little Organified drinks every night.

I came out after dinner and like frothed up the milk for us and said it gave each one of us. I thought that was really sweet of you. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to get you guys very homely. But I don't know. No, come on, I always do shit like that.

Yeah. But what do you guys think of the Organify Gold Juice and that way? Oh, yeah, no, I love that, dude. Yeah, you've been drinking it very consistently. I sleep better. Yeah, I just leave way better. I just forget to do that, so it's nice, you know.

It's one of those things. I wish I was like more regular about doing that because it just totally calms you down and gets you ready, you know, for the end of the night. Yeah, so what I do with Jessica is sometimes in the morning, I'll make her, because she drinks coffee black, but sometimes she'll have an additional coffee later. So I did it with coffee, almond milk,

and the organifi pumpkin spice. Incredible. Really? Really good. Yes, so coffee, almond milk, and then it's like a Starbucks drink. Yes, exactly. And she loved it.

And then because of the gold juice is relaxing with the caffeine, she felt really calm and energized at the same time. I'll have to try. So what do you put the organic? Do you put it straight in the coffee or did you put it in cream and froth it and then add it to the coffee? I first warm up on the milk so I get that hot.

And then I add the gold juice and I use the little froth or thing. Then I pour the coffee and mix it and then there you go. And it's all set up. Yeah, it's really, and if you put it on ice, it's amazing too. Yeah. So if you could do it that way and then you could put it on ice, it's super good. I'll have to try that.

Anyway, I was doing my story the other day. I was going to tell you guys like, when somebody asked me about like when I first learned how to use a kettlebell and like when that happened and I was reflecting back, and I did do a workshop in San Jose, and it was kind of led by the RKC. Oh, you did the Pauvel? Yeah, so here's the kind of funny part.

I was in Gold's gym, and so in Gold's gym is just very bodybuilder of focus. There's serious dudes in there that are just huge and jacked and whatnot. And so I was kind of one of the first trainers to bring in the kettlebell. And so I was in there and just kind of practicing and whatnot. And it was, I was just like doing my thing.

I was like trying to work on the skills that I'd worked on in the workshop and swinging and it was like, I compare it to this. Like say you're dribbling or you're working on drills and whatever and all of a sudden, like Michael Jordan walks right behind you. Whoa. Yeah.

So it was like, Pavel was right behind me when I was like working on my... Wait, Pavel, Pavel? Pavel. Really? At Gold? At Gold. Yeah, at Gold's.

He was in town, I had no idea. I before I know I just I wonder how the worst story tell Some tell the story right now. It's terrible I know I tell the story I know me for seven years. We've done thousands of hours of podcasting And that's you forgot it all the kettlebells I'm saving it for this month. I wonder how many of it I went on crazy things this guy's not told them You know Adam for how you just compared it to Michael Jordan like many crazy things this guy's not told them. You've known Adam for a half a lot. You just compared it to Michael Jordan. Like that'd be like me talking about like,

I was playing hoop at the party. Maybe you guys should ask me more questions. Oh, I forgot to tell you. Michael Jordan was there. I got to say, I've just, you know, I'm all coming out with him now. If it was me, I would have told you 15 times by now. But the story I would have heard. Anyway, I want to hear about the full episode.

Yeah, so I was like, you know, it was really a golden year. It was off Bernal. The about this one. Yeah, well, I was like, you know, it was really gold or here. It was up Bernal. The Bernal one. Oh, wow. Yeah, so he was in town for some, I don't know, event, I think, and so I was like, too embarrassed to talk to him, dude,

because it was like, and he totally was like watching me and looking at me over and, because I was the only guy in there with kettlebells, you know, and so I kind of looked at him and was like, hey,, because I was the only guy in there with kettlebells. And so I kinda looked at him and was like, hey, and then I walked away real quick, just like super embarrassed. Which sucks, because I should just talk to him

and been like, hey man, I'm just learning. And I love these. And it was like how many years I was like over like 12 years or so. Yeah. Wow, that's like the story of like, you know, a young girl says something to you and then you leave and then for the rest of your life, I 12 years or something. Yeah. Wow, that's like the story of like, you know, a young girl says something to you, and then you leave, and then for the rest of your life,

I should have said something like that. Yeah, like I wish I would have talked to him. You know, so that's probably why I didn't bring it up, because it was like, I guess that may say. Well, kind of embarrassing. Well, you, I mean, you have really good form and technique with kettlebells. Were you good then, or was that,

were you still honest? No, I was terrible. That's why I was like, oh, it looks like I've just been looking at me like, oh, God. Now, that's not American. I hope you're able to go through my certification. You should get certified.

You must have been on the competitor. You know, a workshop. I remember when that all hit the scene, it went, it was from, it went from nothing to all of a sudden, you saw them all over the place. But I remember when it hit the scene, it was like nobody had ever seen them before. What the hell are these things? Yeah. How do they work? So this must have been more than 12

years ago, right? I was about right. Because you were I think it's 12. You left me by that time, which we go back 15 years. And so I would say 12 or 13. Yeah. That was an expensive certification. Yeah. That's why I never did it. I remember I wanted to do it It was but I was a manager already which it didn't benefit me to get anymore. You got no get certified instead I had this idea of gymnastics provocation. I had this idea when I was when I was running boot camps You know, I had a bunch of boot camps all over the area. You do a yogurt well You know, I had a bunch of boot camps all over the area. That's picture you're doing yoga right? Well, the reason why is my favorite right now. Oh, I started to, I quickly recognized my demographic

that I was attracting. So I attracted a lot of soccer moms, you know, middle-aged women that were wanting to stay in shape. Yeah, you know, they weren't looking to compete or do anything crazy. They didn't need to lose tons away. They just want to stay fit, you know. At a real house. Yeah, and so I thought, you know, looking to compete or do anything crazy. They didn't need to lose tons of weight. They just want to stay fit.

And it's real house. Yeah, and so I thought, you know, and they love the boot camp class. I thought, man, a good half of these women would pay for me to come to their house with my little basket and my little mat and then take them through a private session. Oh my God. I went and did the certificate.

They so much said stuff. I never did it though because I don't remember what happened business wise. Something like that business, I was like kind of moving on from it. I had already like, you know, farmed it out to somebody else to kind of manage and do and I was already on. I think I was during the transition of the marriage. It reminds me of what was that? Was it couples retreat where the dude comes out and he's wearing a spear?

Totally. And he was doing the same stuff that goes out of the stretches. That would be where dogs are actually. That would have been out of them. It was also right when I was starting to get with Katrina and so I think this bit of like guilt was singing. When I was single it was like a brilliant idea. I was like, oh yeah.

Hell yeah. She was like, I'm pushing a barrel. She opened my little booty shorts and my oil and my fucking red mat and stuff like that and go charge $200 an hour to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go mat and stuff like that and go charge $200 an hour to go do a ride about it. How was your yoga today? Oh, it was great. She taught us good stuff today. Yeah, yeah.

What's her name? So that's actually, it was probably, maybe now I think back, it was more related to, maybe the combination of transitioning to another business that was probably doing even more, making more money for me and then also probably starting to date and get serious with Katrina, I probably thought, yes, this is probably not the best thing. Wow. I actually, I toyed with the idea of doing Chinese medicine certification, but I never actually went through it.

Oh really? No. Because it's like seven years long. Oh, is it really that dude? Oh, I didn't know that. I'm like, oh, you know what I'm like, maybe I'll do like a year and learn or whatever. And I, what's the school of your five branches,

I think it's called? Really good school for acupuncture, Chinese medicine, and it's like, it's a legit, it's a big deal. So I look through it and I'm been interesting. That's how I do anything for that one. That's how I feel about, I mean, I talked about some, I'm sure, and I get DMs all the time and people ask me,

hey, did you get your real estate license? I fucked, no, I didn't. Let me tell you, I was definitely cocky about that. I was like, oh, yeah, we could build this company and do this and do that and on the side, I'll get my real estate license, like little that I know, like it's like learning law. So there was just intent. So many regulations. Oh, yeah, it was so intense and then I still was kind of pushing through and trying to chip away as much as I could. But you know, I got to a point where like obviously the

things that we do here are far more important and that isn't going to benefit me that much financially. Like there's nothing that being having our my real estate license right now would benefit us financially really. It would be nice to have and it would be a fallback point. And also to your credit, you dive really deep into stuff you're into, and you're constantly researching and reading, and you've partnered with people who, I mean, people don't know this, but Adam is mostly responsible for our site investments.

He manages all that, and you're obviously very good at it. So although you don't have the license, you know your shit. Well, that was kind of fine people to team up with it. Yeah, well, and that was kind of what made me like, I was like, okay, it's not going to accelerate that anymore for us. And it was like the amount of time that it would take for me to do that. And what it would take. Better spent doing.

Yeah, so, I mean, I definitely, anybody that has it, man, I have a lot more respect. I actually honestly, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I really thought it was gonna be like, I mean, it reminded me of like, probably one of the hardest certifications that I did was the corrective exercise specialist. Like that one was.

I did that one. Yeah, that was pretty extensive. You know, I did that one and never took the test. Oh, really? Yeah, I did all the course and everything. And then I went and opened up my own studio. And when you own your own business, does it matter? You don't, you make the same amount. Yeah, I did all the course and everything and then I went and opened up my own studio and When you own your own business, does it matter? You don't you make the same amount. Yeah, when you work for Jim They pay you money. I've done that so many times. I just go through the course and I don't care

Well for me it's about the knowledge Yeah, and I but I it was really I mean the NESM CES is legit. Yeah, it is really in debt. Oh, it was it was the hardest it was the hardest test that I actually had to take And it was probably one of the last One's because like you guys I did the same thing once you got into the management role I didn't get paid anymore. So I've probably been through 30 certifications or so I had eight So I only actually took like eight tests because once you get to a point where I didn't get any money from it It was like okay, why pay go I I had the connection. So as a manager, they would always give me,

let me in the classes for free. Yeah. Kind of like what we even get here, right? So all the courses that have come through here, they let us sit in for free, but I actually don't pay to get the certification because I don't really care. I know what course I took once that was really weird.

That was really hard for me. I got a Series 6 in a 63 license. This is when I did, I was a premier banker for a second. I imagine that's a lot of like law and regulations and show them, right? Now it's not a series seven, which is another level, right? But series six and 63, for someone who had no experience whatsoever, it was like learning Chinese.

It was a totally, Well, that's what the real estate one was like for me. I was, it's a new language. I was, and that's what it reminded me of the corrective exercise, special stuff was like, the, I needed to dedicate, I think I got the, the, like glossary or index cards, and I think I want to say there was 800 terms and definitions

that I needed to like memorize and learn, that I did, we're all unfamiliar. So it's not like I like had some sort of a background. Like, I mean, we have all of us have an anatomy and physiology background. So even the hardest national search aren't that bad because you have some sort of a foundational base there, right? But with real estate, like the terms were like almost all foreign.

Oh, that's what it was like. And the way that I studied for it, and this is the sometimes with tests that aren't good, is that you could study for the test, which is essentially what I did. And I had all these courses that would teach you how to take the test and I would memorize things and do it over and over again. And I did, I passed my first time, but asked me about that stuff now.

I don't remember a damn thing. I was like, when I was going from my astrology degree. Shut up. And then, I'm just kidding. I was like, what? Another story is getting this. I was just really, you could be the way with that shot. I'm just like an Aquarius. Yeah.

Exactly. A total Aquarius moment right there. Anyway, I wanted to tell you guys that over the weekend, or actually over the weekend, over the week, last week, I interviewed with the sculpted vegan, do you guys know what this is? Oh, you told us that you were doing that. How was that?

So Kim, her name is Kim Constable, and she's based out of Ireland. You did that while we were up in Truckee, did you? I did, yeah. So she's based out of Ireland. She's a vegan fitness expert, but I love her because the way she presents her information, she's not like this

dogmatic zealot, very open, she's totally our flavor, right? She's like, she could be brash, abrasive, but funny, really cares about the people she works with. Anyway, had a great conversation with her. She looks amazing, of course, fit the whole deal, but she's got a great presentation. Her podcast is doing well. I loved hearing about her success. So where she based out of again, would you say Ireland? Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. And she does a great job. How did you get linked up? How did that even happen? So Michaela Peterson, obviously, who knows us is good friends with her. Wait, now here's what's funny about that. Michaela Peterson's carnivore diet. I know. That's why I'm wondering. I'm like, how's that? You know, that just shows you how mixed,

that's why we like them. They're not dogmatic about it. Correct. It's like, yes, they follow that diet, but that doesn't mean that, like, I don't understand why you would follow the opposite. Correct, but I had a great conversation with her. I'm gonna be on her podcast,

which will probably air in a, I don't know, week or two. And she was energetic and everything. She just great, great personality. Oh, stupid. I get what you're trying to say. Actually, speaking of which, speaking of which, there was a study that came out that showed that women who eat animal protein

have more muscle mass than women who don't. So this big study where they were looking at and doing lots of controls and stuff. And eating animal protein is associated with more muscle mass in women according to this particular study. Well, I mean, based off our experience, I would guess that's obvious because most of them under eat it. I mean, that was the most common thing that I noticed with all my female clients is Rarely ever did I get a female client assess the diet go. Hi, your protein. It takes fine. Yeah, almost every single one of them

I had to say if you're to get with animals. Well, it's easier to get and it's a better source You've already talked about this before and that's where that really matters. If you're under eating protein, the quality is even more important. Yes. So I imagine that's why that study would point that. Yes, and I got this huge, actually, this huge because it was posted in a group that I follow on Facebook. And there's because I follow you guys and I follow these groups and I, this is how I filter

my studies. It's really cool. They do the work for me basically. But I went on there and I commented're this good. This is how I filter my studies It's really cool. They do the work for me basically But I went on there and I commented and it was a It was a neuroscience group believe it or not and the reason why that one was posted was there was another study that showed that Depression and anxiety was correlated with a vegan diet as well So got into this huge debate and nobody and there's really a fitness or nutrition expert, a lot of them are kind of, you know, neuroscience students or scientists. And I said, well, I said, this is due, this is likely due to the fact that it just requires more

planning when you're a vegan because it's easier to hit nutrient deficiencies. You can't just wing it. No, like if you just ate state, like if you just ate me, you would get most essential nutrients. By the way, this is not ideal. There's a difference between ideal and essential. Essential just means you're not going to die of a nutrient deficiency. Beef alone provides you with pretty much every single essential nutrient that you need. There is no vegetable source of anything that does that. That doesn't mean you can't eat a vegan diet and be healthy and fit and awesome. Of course you can.

It just requires a little bit more planning. And so I wrote that in there. Oh my gosh, the fire people. Oh, you know, it's standard American diet super unhealthy. And I'm like, I'm not comparing it to the standard American diet. Anything's better than that. And I was trying to explain.

That's a little bit of other monster. I was trying to explain, but it's these people were just, and I said, listen, here's a deal. You can be very healthy with a vegan diet, but you do have to pay more attention to making sure you get all of your essential nutrients because you're not gonna get them from one source. You have to get them from multiple sources.

And you just have to be a little bit more planned. If you're just a vegan and you just avoid animal sources of food, and then you don't pay attention to anything else, your chances of nutrient efficiency are higher. That's just a fact. But that doesn't necessarily again mean it's bad. So we got this whole discussion. But yeah, so the protein one was pretty interesting with all of that.

I wanted to ask you, what's going on with resistance training revolution? I haven't got an update on that in a while. Have you talked to your agent lately? I did. How are the sales going? So the last update I got was from June. Oh shit, well that's July, so I should be getting another update soon.

Is it every quarter? Is that what it is? I think so. And I can request like more like loose updates. Yeah. But as of June, and I think I forgot when we launched it. Do you remember the month? April.

Oh, so April may. I think it's every six months you get a report. Okay, so we launched it and within three months I guess then right? So three Doug. No, well, yeah, because you launched in April, but I think it's a semi annual report. Oh, That's why we haven't received one for this third quarter. So we'll get another one at the end of the year. Yes, I believe so. Okay. Okay. So Yeah, that's not very often getting updated on it. I think no, I can actually request and then they'll tell me You like three yeah, because I'd like to know because the report you have right now is 50 yeah, but you're at the halfway point that report we've done double the time so whatever you tell me right now

I mean I'm gonna hear but I mean it's not you yeah Hopefully we've done more than that. Yeah, so within three three months almost 15,000 units, which I guess I don't know if that's great or bad in book world, but they seem to be pretty I have no idea. I don't know to compare it to. I don't book world. Welcome. It's like my fantasy plan. Can you do the the reading rainbow, the more you know thing right there? It's reading rainbow. This room is fun. It's a reading time book world. No, so 15,000 units in a few months, they're pretty pleased, I guess. They said it's very consistent. So consistent sales every.

Do you check reviews and stuff like that? You're really overwhelming. We good. And you know, part of me is like, oh, that's great. And then the other part of me knows how like amazing our fans are. And I feel like our fans will go there. And I could literally write anything. And they'd say, you know knows how amazing our fans are. And I feel like our fans will go there and I could literally write anything and they'd say, you know, which is cool, but also, I don't know.

And I'm also a little self-critical. So I'm rising, revealing. Yeah, shit. But we'll see what happens. I guess that's all right. They were saying it was pretty good, but like I said, I don't know. I think that's pretty good.

I mean, you know who a big a person to ask is Mike to see, because he's done several books now in our space. Mike can be a dick to ask his mic to see because he's out he's done several books. Mike is can be a dick. So what? Yeah, you never heard you say that about Mike. Yes, he can. No, Mike is a shrewd businessman. That's why I love him.

I don't mean this in him. I do this. I love Mike as a boy. That's why you have to call him out. I love Mike. I 100% one of my favorite people and something the people I love the most can also be Dix and he's a Dix. I'm sure I'll bring that up and something that people I love the most can also be Dix and he's a Dix.

I'm sure I'll bring that up and he'll say some shit like, well, you know, you know, you may ruin good try. Not bad. It's your first book. You never written anything. You're comparing it to people that fail. You're doing really good. Number one, really good.

10 years. Exactly. You know, he's sold like a million or something. He's really good. Number one, really good. 10 years of first books, you know. Well, he's sold like a million or something. Craziest. Yeah, yeah. He's really good at what he does, dude. I could never match his level of, and the guy sits in there

and just crushes and writes great content. Well, he's an online marketer first fitness guy second, right? And I mean, that's one of the things that was fascinating when we first met him was, but I was really impressed with his fitness knowledge with his little experience in the fitness space It just goes to show you how intelligent the man is yeah, he's extremely intelligent guy Yeah, so probably one of the smartest people you know, I've ever met yeah anyway speaking of smart people

Did you read that quote from Demi Lovato? I did I did not tell me oh man. She said we said I don't know if I've heard she said we should stop referring to aliens extra terrestrial so like well you want to she wants you to call him I did not tell me. Oh man. She said we should stop referring to aliens. Extra terrestrials. So like, well, you want to, she wants you to call them extra terrestrials, not aliens because that's offensive. Really? Aliens is offensive. So when we're talking about, hey, hold on.

When we're talking about space visitors from other planets, we should not refer to the aliens because that's offensive to us. Right. This is literally from her mouth. Yeah, I don't, I don't. That's important though. Yeah, that's like, is that is that stemming from there's this rumor going that we might find that if we do find life

somewhere else, there's a possibility that could be a human species. That's what, where did you read this? I just, how did you guys all excited? What? Yeah, I was, somebody tagged me on a post and somebody had like this kind of like you know rule I don't know dark goth looking like human as Oh, that's from what's that movie? Moth man. No, dude. What's that movie? It was from alien. It was like another oh

Prometheus. Yes, the guy Prometheus. Yeah. Remember how the story was that he looked like humanoid? Yeah, yeah. I saw that. That's the picture. Oh, okay. Yeah, I got tagged on it like yesterday and so I thought maybe that was a connection there. So maybe there's this rumor now that we might find humans and so she's being proactive to be like, listen, we should stop calling them aliens and be a little more politically correct

about them. Listen, Tommy Lovato, if aliens come here. They're not something. They're not gonna read you know Social, maybe like this girl is gonna be our leader Yeah, she said this cool thing about it. Oh no, bro. Trump was president I guarantee when you were watching the apprentice 10 years ago You would have never guessed that dude would be really good. You're dating a girl like that. She just starts saying like, who was she with? Who was she with? Just was your last, like, famous boyfriend or girlfriend? I know she's like,

non, she's all the non stuff non binary. Well, she was dating a guy last, wasn't she? I she asked human. Kind of. Maybe I have no idea. Oh, really? The boys just look at a doggy follow people and stuff like that. Oh I sure do. Yeah, you're making it to that stuff. Look who is, who is Demi Lovato dated or whatever. I am bio-robotic.

I thought- Well speaking of that, you know Elon, how he broke up with Grimes or whatever? Yeah. Like people, she's apparently saying she's getting harassed now by a bunch of people. But some of the stuff she says is fucking weird dude. You know, you're of Elon did you guys brought up you know a couple I mean couple weeks ago how he trolls basil so great yes over the second place I like him more now I I do too. It's funny. I do too. And you're weak sausage. You don't like to be funny that's funny. That is funny man.

Did you guys see the clip of Joe Rogan's podcast where he had Sanjay Gupta on from CNN? Oh, I didn't see that. He railed him. There was a portion there. So remember how CNN, how CNN, which like all these, did he roast them for the whole horse? Do you wanna think? Yeah, I do.

So all these news networks are just propaganda machines. If you don't see that, then you know, take off your blind. I'm so mad I missed that. So CNN, when Joe Rogan got COVID, he took Ivermectin, which was prescribed from his doctor. Yeah, we all know this. He did the monocleil therapy.

We've already talked about it. So Sanjay given him shit. No, so all know this. He did the monocle... Yeah, we've already talked about that. So Sanjay given him shit. No, so CNN said, and there were clips and he played it during the podcast to show Sanjay. You know, they're laughing at Joe Rogan, taking a horse-de-warmer and it's so dangerous. And Rogan's like, you guys flat out lied. You lied, he goes, it was a prescript,

it was prescribed to me, it's human medicine. It's been used by billions of people. And he goes, how do you feel working for a network? That lies like that. And Sanjay would skirt it and move around and he kept pinning him. No, no, how do you feel about that? How do you feel?

I'm finally Sanjay said, well, I don't know, they probably shouldn't have said that or something like that. Anyway, Sanjay went back on CNN and kind of went against Rogan again. Like what the fuck? So cowardly, dude. So dude, what they, went against Rogan again. Like, what the fuck? Like, so cowardly, dude. So, dude, what they did with Rogan, with those clips,

was so stupid, they'd obviously spend it in a terrible idiotic way. It was misinformation machine. Yes, dude. And anyway, I love this. It's been off. He had him on a show and he pinned him in. And then he tried to deny it and then he showed him the clip

of them, you know, like lying with Glee is essentially no one cares about it. Nobody cares about it. He got better. Right. Isn't that like an important fact? Yeah. I mean, I think he's about that. I mean, it's hard to say though, right?

With like, because he's a fit guy. He's a fit healthy guy. So he's, I mean, to say it was from the Ivermectin, I think that's hard to say. He also did monocleo. Yeah, he did a lot. That which is proven. He did everything. You know, he did, he did like the whole full protocol. But this is my irritation though too like you somebody finds out that you know, okay

Somebody was exposed early, you know somebody close to you has it and the first thing they they call everybody else They don't find out if they're doing okay You know what I'm saying? Oh Like it's this this pandemonium of like who they were with and all this before they even find out. Well, that's you know, okay Well, that's how it is that when she pal did that whole thing when he opened it when he opened up the very beginning where he's like I felt dirty That's why you don't say because everybody's like oh my god. Did you see Adam last week because he had you I was I was well, did you see like an SDD see everybody try to track it back. I was on the phone with them, you better get tested. Hey, did you guys see the investment infusion?

That Viori got? Yes, I did. Oh my God. Four, I'm so happy. I'm so happy. $100 million. No, no, $4 billion value. Value-wise, you've formed $400 billion.

Yeah, soft pain. Soft pain. Soft pain dropped $400 million on them. $4 billion value-wise. Dude, this is massive. Yeah, I'm listening. We missed investing in them by about 18 months. So check this out.

So this is a Yahoo article, right? It says, Viori sets aggressive expansion after 400 million investment. And then in the beginning, it says, when Jim Gold, the former chief of Neiman Mark has predicted two years ago, that Viori could be a $1 billion brand, a lot of eyes rolled,

not anymore. That's insane. It's a $4 billion value-weight company. We've been working with them now how long? Four years. I think when we started with them, they were like 150 million or 200 million valuations. That's insane, gross. No, we'd all be rich if we would have freaking been in a different situation.

But we didn't quite have the capital back then. Come on. Come on. So, no, it's awesome to see. I mean, I love Joe. I mean, but we, the first when we started, you could tell that the quality, they were gonna come after Lulu.

I knew they were gonna come after that market share. And Lulu just didn't do as good of a job with men as Viori was. So I think it was brilliant. They literally did the e-commerce thing so they didn't go way overhead with the brick and mortar. They went after the underserved portion of the market in ATHLEASURE Wear, the men, okay,

because everyone was going after women early off. Of course, good quality. That's your style, I love it. First one to really offer it to men. And then they went back door the woman's side of the business and they crushed on that also, just the opposite of what Lou did. I think it was brilliant the way they did that

and it's gonna be really interesting to see how fast they skill. Has either one of you been to Santana Raya? Santano, since then. Oh, you have. Yeah, is it busy? I mean, yeah. Oh yeah.

Yeah, it's a great store. It's a beautiful store. It's a beautiful store. People are always in there. What we're literally talking about is gonna be a mainstream American brand here very soon. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like very, very soon. If not already, people already know, a lot of people already know them now. Yeah. But it's great. It's great to see that. It's nice to see that kind of growth

with especially because we know the people who started it personally. Yeah. I feel like I ate a little bit of crow on the gym shark talking shit back when it went way back when I remember I was talking shit about gym shark like, I don't three four years ago and there I think they're worth even more. What's Doug look up a gym shark valuation right now I think they're they're that kid blew that thing up. You know what it is. It's like 25. It's because they used all the fitness influencers. No he did. He didn't. It was just a noise. I think that's why I can't uphold to them. But yeah, that was kind of allowing my emotions to come in there. I'm saying it should have been more logical

about it where it was going, but I was just like, oh, dirty. You know, it's a multi-level marketing bullshit, because that's really what it was. Was you go out there and you find a bunch of really popular people and he hooked them up, and he did it, he was one of the first to do it on Instagram before, I mean, now everybody does that.

But when you're the first, and he, I mean, you wouldn't be able to do it. It's quite great. And not have good quality stuff though. Like, the people that I know that wear it, they like it and they talk about it. They like it. It's nice, but I'm like, not that big of a fan. Yeah, 1.3 billion, but this is a year old. Oh, so the, so Viori passed them.

Well, a year passed. You were going to be like, I know I don't feel so bad years passed. You were giving him back. I know I don't feel so bad. I'm waiting again. You were giving a promise. I bet on the right horse. I was sweating. I thought they were higher.

I mean, still kudos. That's impressive. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. And it's a young kid. So kudos to you. But, you know, Viori was the better horse. You know what I'm saying?

So, because I remember when I was debating Danny about it, like, better looking product. Four years ago, when we were first starting to work with Viori, and he was like, oh, Jim Shark-Dooz, oh, Jim Shark-Dooz, and I'm like, get out of here with that MLM bullshit brand. I don't want none of the different. And then I was kept telling him what Viori, I said, you watch, you'll see what happens. Viori will be it, but I actually didn't know that. I thought they were.

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All right, enjoy the rest of the show. First question is from Alaina JB. Does fasted cardio really make a difference? I like this question. Yeah, so okay, so for fat loss note, doesn't make a difference. So then I'll study, we'll show that when you do fasted cardio, that you utilize more fat for fuel while you do the cardio.

And so when people saw that, they thought, oh, this is gonna burn more body fat. It doesn't because at the end of the day, literally, what matters is the calorie deficit. And they've done lots of studies now on this, and they show that you burn no additional, or you lose no additional body fat, doing cardio fasted versus doing it fed. And some studies show that fed cardio,

your performance is a little bit better, so I can even make the argument that in some cases, fed cardio is probably better. Now, here's where fast the cardio might make a difference You might get better at doing fast the cardio. So if you're Wanting to improve your ability to perform while being in a fasted state This might help you But no aside from that. There's no additional benefit It's a personal preference thing. It's not just that, I'll add more benefit to it.

So I like this question a lot because this is actually how I found Lane Norton like eight, nine years ago. So right when I was starting to get in shape after I'd fallen out of shape, I was kind of looking for resources that I thought in the space that were really good. Came across this guy, Lane Norton,

who I had no idea Who kind of specialized in competitors and people getting in competitive shape and one of the things that he was debunking and talking shit about was Fasted cardio and I was drawn into it because it was something that I utilized and I was doing already and Made complete sense and he does and if Lane's a great resource for this, so somebody who's watching and wants to hear more of the science and as far as what's happening in the body that to prove your point that you're talking about, he's great for that. Now that being said, even knowing that, I continued that. And the reason why I continued it was I had tremendous results from it, not because there was something that was happening that was so special, because I was fasted, was that never ever did I get up at six o'clock in the morning to do any sort of movement. In fact, if I was not getting up and doing my fasted cardio, I would sleep in.

I would sleep in till seven in the morning, shower, have breakfast, do my normal routine, train at noon or one, like I always do, and that was my routine. I began to do fast-hit cardio where I got up an extra hour early, go to the gym, walk, wouldn't run, or do anything crazy, just walk for one hour, and then go about my day,

get my training session at 121, had tremendous success from it. But behaviorally wise, some improvements. Yes, and I think that's the part that you still have to factor that in. Of course. And that, by the way, that's why the bro science continues and why you still see all these competitors do it. Now, they try and, you know, they don't know that's why it works.

Right. I don't think they realize that burning. Yeah. So I think they don't, they don't realize that. But the, this was the only time that I would get up an hour before I would Never go to bed was when I was disciplining myself to do this fast at cardio Not to mention Normally my routine is get up and then have a breakfast first thing I do is have breakfast

So instead of actually having breakfast here. I was in this depleted state with no, you know Not a lot of fuel at all because I had eaten since seven o'clock the day before. And not only am I not eating, I'm actually trying to burn without any calories. So the idea that, okay, my body is going to utilize fat versus me having a bunch of food in me and then utilizing glucose first was the theory and the idea of continuing that on. And had tremendous success with it and I still Recommended if you use it like that But if you think you're doing something extra special or you're really not well

This is where again to your point of of broscience like kind of perpetually kind of existing is because it's It's a honing in on something that it can become a habit and something like you're adding an extra amount of activity. We all know as trainers, people that establish these in early morning time slots usually have the most longevity in terms of establishing new types of habits in the routine. It makes sense that this could be an opportunity to now add more excess activity that accumulates that you're overall towards the end of the day. The behavior stuff is always important to consider.

All things being equal, if you're going to get the same activity as you would if it was faster or not, doesn't make a difference. Now, it's personal preference. I work out fast at every morning because I feel better working out fast. I know most people don't. Most people need to have some food a couple hours before they train for maximum performance. I just like working out fast.

It feels better to me. But other than that, no, it's got no additional benefit. All things being equal. But I think what Adam, what you said is very important because oftentimes all things are not equal. And one thing may work better for your behaviors than the other and that's what the benefit often comes from. And we think it's like some, you know, physiological magic that's happening, but it's not.

It's the fact that you just, you moved more and we woke up early and moved more versus if you didn't. I think this is, this is similar to the the bro science that would try and support the anabolic window also. I think part of why people saw so much success with doing things like that is the ritual of making sure you pound a protein shake as soon as you get done with your workout. You would never have a meal in the locker room of a gym,

but it's become so ritualized as an anabolic window that you have all these meat heads pounding shakes before they even leave the locker room. Now, okay, and then they swear by it, helping them out. Well, probably because they're extra 30, 40 grams of protein, and without that, they may not hit their protein. I might not get it because you've got to literally be intentional. That's right.

So, it's a ritual. And so, I even would catch myself doing the same thing too, is we especially when I was bulking and trying to get five, six thousand calories. One of the things I liked was if soon as I finished working out, if I slammed a shake, by the time I got home, showered, I'd already be ready for another meal. It was just another way for me to get more calories and more protein in, saw tremendous value.

It had nothing to do with the anabolic window. It was more about the behavior of me making sure I consistently get another 30 grams of protein as quick as I could. Next question is from Tehoretta 11. If you've taken growth hormones or steroids in years past, do they still have an effect on your current muscle growth? Sure.

Yes and no. So here's why yes, right? So muscle memory is a very real thing. So what that means is let's say it takes you a year of good consistent resistance training diet to gain, let's say 15 pounds of lean body mass. And then you lose it the following year, you'll gain it back in a month or two, right? So it takes you a year to gain it the first time, but to gain it back, it only took a couple months. This is well documented. So if you take anabolic steroids,

you can build more muscle and move past certain genetic limits. And then you go off to steroids, that muscle memory remains, and you'll probably be able to build more muscle than if you never did those things in the first place. Now here's why the no. So I said yes and no. Here's the no part.

And studies now show this. Men who use anabolic steroids in their youth oftentimes have impacted natural testosterone levels throughout their entire lives. Oftentimes it shows up in their 40s. So they'll use anabolic steroids in their 20s and then they'll go back to being natural and it takes three, four months to get their body

to kind of regulate and go back and then their testosterone level seemed to be normal and it takes three, four months to get their body to kind of regulate and go back and then their testosterone level seemed to be normal. Then they have 40 and it's lower than it had been had they never done that. So they have the muscle memory but now they have the hormones working against them because now they have low testosterone. And they're again, there's studies that show this

that anabolic hormone use results oftentimes in lower natural testosterone use, excuse me, testosterone levels later in life. So muscle memory positive, natural hormone levels negative. And what you'll find is people who use anabolic steroids in their youth oftentimes have to go on hormone replacement therapy later on in their life. So it's not as easy as people think. I think it's a bit of a trade-off,

and if you add those two factors up, I guess the answer is it depends on which one's more. Wouldn't it also factor how much you were using back then and for how long and all that, depending on how severe it's going to impact you later on with that scenario? Yeah, definitely. If you use it for a year on and off,

it's going to have more of a negative impact later on than if you did it just for three months. So yeah, of course. But again, it's funny because there was one study in particular where it showed even doing a single common cycle of, let's say, 14 weeks or 12 weeks, they showed in the study to have a negative effect on testosterone levels later on. And somebody, which one of those is more impactful on you? I think it's more on that too.

I think there's a negative psychological effect also. You take steroids for a couple of years consistently or even a year consistently and get used to what it feels like to train and eat on those. And then that was one of the hardest things for me coming off of steroids would be the afterwards. Would after I come off is not feeling as strong, not having as much energy, not being able to eat a little bit out of bounds on your diet and it's still pack on muscle.

And boy, that has a psychological effect. If you're used to grabbing the 120 pound dumbbells and now you're only grabbing the 90s. It's a harder to kind of get up for it in the morning to train like that consistently. I have great workouts versus now my workouts. I mean, right. So even though there might be some physiological benefits

that are left over from it, there's also some negative psychological benefits from taking it before and then not having it that can be detrimental to. In my experience, again, all these things matter. I think people just look at one factor and think, yeah, you're gonna have more muscle later because of muscle memory and that's shown and all that stuff.

But they don't consider all the other factors in the context. Look at my experience, and I've known a lot of people, obviously in the fitness space, and I know a lot of people who've used analog steroids in their youth for relatively long periods of time, the most muscular fit 40, 50 year old people I know if I had to compare the two categories of people who use steroids and went off versus people who are always natural, the natural people, the natural people tend to do better.

I think it's because they develop better habits. They don't go through that period where they feel like crap going off. They're testosterone hormone levels stay optimized for much longer. The people who I know who use the analog steroids in the youth and then went off and never had never went back on hormone replacement therapy, they tend to not do so well. Now there's also of course the category of guys who then go on hormone replacement therapy, which is a whole nother conversation. So if you're listening to this or you're watching this and you're thinking, you know, I'm gonna do it to get the muscle memory effects

that way later I could rebuild the muscle. You are not considering the whole context of the effects it's gonna have on your physical body and also on your psyche. And I think if you're doing it once or twice or doing it for a year to give you better muscle later on, it's probably not gonna work that way. Next question is from preacherman Joe,

are there any benefits in adding bands or chains on the big three or any other workouts? Or is it too much over training? This is one of the most... I love doing that. It's one of the most effective ways to augment or change your training to produce better results. One of the most effective, by far.

Now does it cause more damage? Not really, chains maybe. Chains can be pretty, you can really get sore and it beats you up a little. Not bands though. I mean, I put bands on a squat or on a deadlift or a bench and it feels good. I don't feel like an overtrain.

I see faster results. Strength athletes have been using bands and chains forever. I know the Soviets use them way back and people just get strong doing them. Now why is it so, what's so different about it, right? I remember when I was younger and I saw people using chains, I thought just put a weight on the bar.

What's the difference? I thought they were just trying to look cool, right? Changes the strength curve. It does. I mean, when you lower a weight on the bar. What's the difference? I thought they were just trying to look cool, right? Changes the strength curve. It does. I mean, when you lower a weight, the links hit the ground, so the weight gets lighter. As you get higher with your squat or whatever, the links come off the ground and gets heavier,

and it matches your body's strength curve. The bottom of a squat, you're weaker than you are at the top. So, what if we had a weight that was heavier at the top and lighter at the bottom? Which that's what they do. So people know, it really changes that exercise because traditionally the squats the opposite. Yeah. It doesn't get harder as you get it gets the same. It's the same.

It's the same actually gets easier as you get to the top and it's easier for you to lock out because the weight gets easier as you get towards the end when you have the chains the opposite is happening. So it really changes that exercise. So that's how I look at this, is it's almost like, hey, if I've been doing squats for, let's say, three or four weeks, backloaded, same, same everything pretty much as far,

and similar load, that's a nice way to kind of change it up. It's almost like changing the exercise. And the same thing goes like, as if you would cycle in and out of exercises, is you wouldn't want to do chains and then never not do chains. It's one of those things that you have that's a tool and use it into your workouts intermittently and then pull it out. And I think there's great benefits to it.

Yeah, I mean, in terms of treating these types of lifts like a skill, I think it's one of those beneficial tools, especially when you start to naturally kind of find that limitation load-wise and to be able to introduce this and have that sort of bridge between that next leap in terms of load, it's nice to be able to get a bit more weight on the bar and be able to work through that or less weight and make it add that extra bit of resistance. So you have to fight that extra bit. So I think it's a nice intermediary type of a device and tool and something to include if you really are trying to progress forward and something that is your goal, especially

if you're a strength athlete, of course, is something to consider. But you're an average person, I mean, if you're just kind of hitting a wall, and you need to try a new technique, I think this is definitely beneficial in that regard. Yeah, so it's one of my favorites. It's absolutely one of my favorites, and when I do it, and I do it right,

it's like I get great results every time. So if you're still in your beginning stages of training, focus on technique and formal stuff. Once you get to your intermediate levels and you wanna test new things, start with bands, chains are much more complicated, require, and they do beat up the body a little more. And then watch out, it feels good.

It's one of the weird things about it. You put a band on a bench press, and you can feel, and what's it called the thing that Mark Bell sells, that goes over your arms and slingshot. Slingshot is very similar. Yeah. You, as you go down, the weight gets easier and as you go up, it gets heavier.

Very similar to resistance bands, it's just a very convenient. Yeah, same, same kind of concept. Mm-hmm. Next question is from Jungle Jerry. Does getting a pump do anything for hypertrophy or just make you feel bigger for a short period of time? Yeah, there's, there's two things to consider with the pump. One is think of the conditions that need to be present for you to get a really good pump, right?

You're well hydrated, you're probably well fed, right? If you're in a really bad calorie deficit, your pumps tend to be gone, right? So you're well fed, well hydrated, you're not over trained, and you can connect to a muscle. It's hard to get a pump on a muscle and you can connect to a muscle. It's hard to get a pump on a muscle that you have a terrible connection to. So when you get a good pump, it's also a good sign that, wow, I've got all those things. And that's, that means

that at least some of the context is in the right place for muscle growth to happen. Now, does the pump also add to muscle growth with that other stuff being said? Yeah, studies actually show that it's got some hypertrophy benefits through cell swelling, which tends to signal muscle growth, bodybuilders have known this forever. Now, isn't that basically what's happening there?

Is your body is learning or adapting to being able to feel the muscle with more fluid than it was before, right? That's really the process of the sarcoplasm and hypertrophy. Well, sarcoplasm are all as all of the non-muscle fiber structures in fluid within muscle and train the pump theoretically improves or increases that because you improve capillary density. I think of it like this. Imagine like a water balloon and you always fill it up to exactly one cup, one cup, one cup and it kind of expands and then you pour it out.

Whereas if now you force in two cups in there and it volume wise, you pay the next time that you put that water in, it gets to that two cups a lot easier because you've taught it to stretch out. Yeah, there could be there's a little bit of muscle fascist stretching that will happen with that also. And also just you build more capillary so you get more blood flow in the muscle. There's also signals, there's some studies that show that actually signals more muscle growth.

Don't the cells actually volumize too? Yeah, so the cells actually grow and get bigger, which if they get bigger, they technically can hold more fluid, right? So that's kind of what's happening is you've trained it to expand more than you ever have before. And if you can expand the cells more, they can hold more more. Well, it's not just that.

You're also increasing the amount of fluid that can go in there because more capillaries start to develop. You start to get more blood flow, more oxygen, more fluid through just your body, improving its ability to do it also. And then you get the stretching effect and the swelling effect. That also signals more muscle growth also. They show it increases muscle protein synthesis. So it is.

Now, if you live and die by the pump, you'll make a mistake. Yeah. Now I was going to add to that. So I was a chased the pump guy only forever. And one of the things that I drove me crazy is, man, I could get to a place where I could really air up and look amazing in the gym. But two hours later, I feel like I would deflate. Almost like that water balloon got completely emptied.

And I didn't feel like there was the permanent effects that you might get from hypertrophy training. Didn't seem to be as sustainable or visual when I wasn't pumped as when I was strength training. We've talked about this before. Oh, in heavy weight, yeah. Yeah, that was one of the big differences when I started training like five by fives and like really heavy, really pushing the weight was I didn't quite get as much of a pump,

but the muscle I did add or build seemed to still be there even when I wasn't pumped up. But when I was always chasing the pump and hypertrophy, I looked amazing in the gym, but then when I would air out, I would deflate back down to what I thought was like the normal size of me, and it didn't feel like as much of the gains stayed, if that makes sense. You know, early strength athletes didn't even, the pump was almost a nuisance because- I was just going to say, I mean, that's always been my experience. Yeah.

Especially the forearm, you know, in terms of grip and getting a crazy forearm pump, it was like a very detrimental effect that would happen in terms of like if I would need it to kill your grip. Yeah, to do anything. It was one of those things that I was considered a bad thing. And then, you know, getting into the bodybuilding side of training started to figure out, oh wow, that's actually what they're seeking out because it does give you that effect that man, it fills up your shirts, your muscles look like, they almost doubled in size,

but I didn't really see the value of it until the combination of the two consistently with the hypertrophy and then the strength training together is like you get that size focus, but also now the strength kind together is like, you get that size focus, but also now the strength kind of helps to sustain. When I trained clients, it was a great way for me to teach clients how to connect to muscles.

And it was also a great sign that they were building a muscle they had poor connection to. If I had a female client who's butt, it was really hard for her to build her butt. And she couldn't feel it when she squatted, or whatever, and we would do priming, and we do all the muscles, all the exercises with the glutes,

and I would make her technique good, and after a couple months, all of a sudden she'd say, oh, I feel a pump in my butt. And then I knew it's gonna build, we're connecting to it, and it's working well. But I'll tell you, I had it like along the lines of what you said, Justin, I had a client once who hired me,

he was a motocross racer, and he hired me because his forearms would get pumped while racing and he would lose his grip. And he literally said, I need to train, and I need to wait a reduce the pump in my forearm. And I remember being so like, I don't know what to do because usually I'm trying to get that. I mean, I imagine you'd just trade his work capacity, right?

You're probably just having him hold. So that was my, so actually my experience was, and this is kind of hilarious, but it was playing guitar. So I would get on stage and I would, like get so tense, and I don't know if like, you know, they'd drennel in and whatnot kind of added to that,

but like I would start playing, and my forearm would just get so tight and pumped, and like I couldn't even keep playing to a point. And I'll get so frustrated because it was like limited, you know, to the length of like how I could keep a really good continuous like rhythm. So I started doing a lot more farmer carries and I started doing all that kind of stuff to elongate, you know, that ability.

Yeah, lots of endurance work. Yeah, that's exactly what I did. Lots of endurance work and then he got better with managing, I got into Getsu when I first started training, I've gripped the key and just get so pumped that I'd lose my grip and then eventually your body gets better and adapts. But it's a great way to sign in signal what's going on.

There are specific phases of maps programs where you're training for this, like phase three of maps and a ballacre, maps aesthetic is focused on the pump. But phase one of both is strength and you might get a pump, you might not, but we don't care. It's about getting stronger and building muscles through that. If you combine the two and train in phases, then you can really reap the benefits. But if you get stuck in one and you never utilize the other side, then you're definitely

slowing down from the rest. That's the key takeaway from this, I think, because that's what people get trapped in one and you never utilize the other side, then you're definitely slowing down the balance. That's the key takeaway from this, I think, because that's what people get trapped in one or the other. I was trapped in the, and the hypertrophy you want is really easy, especially for the person who's going to the gym to be more muscular, because when you're aired up,

you look way different. And you want that. Yeah, and you want that. And it's like, I can see it. It is, it's a great feeling. You can see it immediately right away. So you know, you end up chasing that all the time, thinking that that's, you

know, going to help get you bigger. And then, but you know, if you've been doing that for six months consistently all the time, your body so adapted that you're getting very little benefit to actually building any muscle. And the best thing that person could do if they want to look bigger or be bigger is to switch out of the pump training and go in a strength training. Yep. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfreed.com and check out our guides.

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