Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1676: Difficult Exercises You Better Not Skip, How Much Sugar Is Too Much, Brown Rice Vs. White Rice & More

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about exercise they dislike but do regularly because they know how beneficial they are, what to do during rest times between sets, the difference between white rice and brown rice, and how much sugar a day is too much. The most impactful teachers the guys had growing up. (5:07) The importance of valuing money and how to earn it. (11:28) The two worst things to happen in the middle of the night. (23:08) How to justify your meat consumption from a kid. (28:52) Organifi, improving the quality of life for Mind Pump listeners. (31:04) What is Mind Pump watching on the big and silver screens? (39:39) Where are the protests for Dr. Fauci?! (52:04) The Ned hemp oil is QUALITY! (54:26) #Quah question #1 – What is the exercise you dislike the most, but do regularly because it’s beneficial? (1:00:46) #Quah question #2 - What do you all do during rest times between sets? (1:08:10) #Quah question #3 - White rice versus brown rice, is there really a difference? (1:15:31) #Quah question #4 - How much sugar in a day is too much? (1:19:56) Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Anywhere and the Fit Mom Bundle – Both 50% off! **Promo code “NOVEMBER50” at checkout**    The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America’s Wealthy Lottery winners and accident victims: is happiness relative? Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Agmatine Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** MP Hormones Dune | In Theaters and on HBO Max October 21 | HBO Max You | Netflix Official Site Mind Pump #1642: COVID Vaccine Skepticism? Bad Sport | Netflix Official Site Lawmakers slam Anthony Fauci for alleged puppy experiments Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “Mindpump15” at checkout for 15% discount** How To Do A Perfect Pull-Up (AVOID MISTAKES!) - Mind Pump TV The Only Way You Should Be Doing Bulgarian Split Squats! (BUTT GROWTH) - Mind Pump TV HOW TO BE A HOLISTIC GANGSTER (PAUL CHEK) - Mind Pump TV The Potential Toxins in Vegetables – Mind Pump Podcast Mind Pump #1247: The Dangers Of Eating Too Much Sugar Mind Pump #1435: How To Kick Your Sugar Addiction In 5 Simple Steps Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Zuby (@ZubyMusic)  Twitter Joe DeSena (@realJoeDeSena)  Twitter Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram

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This is where we talk about current media. We talk about news stories, scientific studies, fitness articles. Are you ready? Here we go. We have fun conversation. The intro portion was 53 minutes, then we got to the fitness question. So here's what went down in today's show. We opened up by talking about impactful teachers, teachers that have had a huge impact on our lives,

and the connection between that and good personal trainers. Then we talked about financial literacy and how important it is to have financial literacy or financial skills. Now we learn none of that in school. Yeah, then I talk about the Dutch oven that I did on my wife the other night, sorry honey. Justin brought up racist cows.

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include your shirt size and your shipping address. And we'll get that shirt right out to you. Hey, I got a question for you guys. Can you remember the most impactful teachers that you had growing up? Or first off, how many really impactful teachers? Yeah, like how many really impactful school teachers that you have and then, okay, so you're saying one. One.

All right, what about you, Justin? Yeah, one. I mean, I'm honestly, it's like third insignificant. Miss Goble, shout out to saying one one. All right. What about you Justin? Yeah, one. I mean, I'm honestly it's like Third insignificant. This is goable shot out to miss school. Yeah, whoa That little wink was weird. I can't Hold on a second wish you a prop. No, no, no, she was even a hot teacher. Oh my god All right, no all joking aside You can hate that, Saddo. All right, no, all joking aside,

what separated, and trust me, there's a direction here. What separated these impactful teachers from all the other, because you obviously had probably 30 teachers on warrior and entire life. What separated this one teacher from the others? The irony of mine was, it was a subject that I don't think I'm very good at, but she helped build self-belief in me.

So that was the big thing, right? So I've shared a little bit about it on the show where it was English, right? So I knew you guys know, like I just can't put a full sentence together for my life to put it on it. I've grammatically challenged, right? So writing stuff, but yet I found myself

an advanced English. Isn't that great? Yeah, and it's because of her though, she instilled that in me right, like even though she, my papers would come back chocked with red right because I, you know, all the grammatical airs all the time, but what she always encouraged me about instead I was really good at was, was putting my thoughts on paper. Like I had the ability to take whatever we were reading or learning and then put it on paper. The way the structure of it was awful, but my thoughts were powerful and she made me, or she made me feel that they were powerful and that I was really good at that.

And so it inspired me to work at that and get better at writing. And still to this day, Justin may remember some of this, but I actually used to write emails to like the VPs and presidents of our company when we work for 24-hour fitness for other managers because I had a really good, I had the ability to take like, okay, this is what your desired outcome is. This is like how you need to say this. Then they would have to go edit it because the

grammar would be all messed up, but the delivery of what I was trying to convey, I was really good at. That all came from her. Well, the truth is you are a good communicator. So what you said was really interesting is she gave you a sense of self-belief, which is a big deal. Justin, what about for you? Yeah, I don't really have specific, I think for me it was mainly like, who's a really

dumb kid? Yeah, it was just dumb, in general. The only way with a degree. I actually got more impact from my coaches growing up for the most part. And that was just mainly a mindset thing for me. Like for school for me, I got interested in certain subjects. And so it was very much like anatomy physiology, like biomechanics, like, you know, the sciences, like those were the things that stimulated me. So I did have one impactful professor that was teaching chemistry and

I hated chemistry because anything where I had to like memorize everything like it was terrible, like memorizing like formulas and like put all, but you would make it so interesting to where it would show like actual experiments and make it fun and blow stuff up and you know, it was just like whoa, like it could be cool and like there's, it translates to real things. It's not just like, I'm living in this textbook

and trying to regurgitate whatever it was that I just read. It was actionable. So that was probably, the person that I can think of, we called him Boomer because he just blew everything out. Did you have, did you sell? I did and it's like one or two right? Yeah, I did. And you know, the reason why I'm talking about this

is I was talking with someone about good trainers and coaches and how really what a good trainer is at the end of the day and people might not realize this but they're really good teachers because the goal of a trainer isn't just to take you through a workout. Like it would be like a teacher just taking you through the exercises of your arithmetic or of your writing, but the difference between that kind of a teacher, which is a majority

of teachers and the great ones, is they embolden you, they empower you to do it yourself. And a really good trainer has the, that's the goal, right, is to get that client to the point where yes, they come and do what you say and that's what clients think that they're hiring you for. But when you do a really good job, you empower them so that this is something that they do on their own. They develop that relationship with exercise that lasts a lifetime.

So that's really what it's all about is, can I create that for this person? Not just tell them what to do, take them through a workout when they show up, but be like that teacher. And the reason why I brought that up is here we are grown men, you know, we're all, you know, either almost 40 or in our early 40s, and we still can think back to that one or two teachers that had that impact. That's how big of a deal it was. Well, yeah, I mean, I think it changes the complete trajectory that my life probably went on from that point on.

Like up to that point, that was something I was probably insecure, scared about, wouldn't do. And then it ends up becoming potentially a strength of mine, which is, I think, crazy. And that a coach has that ability to do that to find that in somebody and go like this Maybe a weakness right now, but inspire them To find the strength within that right and change how that person's gonna be forever Yeah, some people are blessed and they have I mean, I forgot people tell stories about Several teachers. Oh this teacher and that teacher. It's like I know I'm almost jealous because even my brother like he became a teacher

because he had such a great impactful teacher that really, like, kind of took him under his wing and fostered that whole desire to learn more and do what he does. And so, like, I just didn't have that, dude. Like, I was always just like, sort of in class, getting through, watching the clock, and then trying to, you know, make people laugh. I was just like, I was so bored. You watching the clock and then trying to make people laugh. I was just like, that's so bored.

I wasn't gonna bring this up, but this conversation has got me thinking about the post that I just did the other day. I reposted, I don't know if you guys saw the tweet that Zubi put out and I did a poll to ask people and this kind of is on the same line to what we're talking about right now. And the tweet he did said,

I'm fairly convinced that if you level the playing field and gave everybody $25,000 to start, that within five years, most of the people who are currently rich would be rich again, and those who are currently broke will be broke again. And I got a lot of DMs of people that disagreed, right? That would think that if, you know, if part of why a lot of people are broke is because they didn't have the teachers and the financial literacy or education. And if they had that, then they too wouldn't. I said, well, I don't know if I fully agree with that because I didn't have that. Now, do I think if my parents would have given me that, would I got to a certain place earlier than what I am now? Possibly. But then I could also make the argument to that, I value it more because

I didn't have it. And it was later in life when I did finally seek it out myself. And so when I got that information, I put it to practice. First is, if it was just, you know, your parents are, that's one of my fears as a, as a dad now is, because I'm already sure, like I've already got the books for Max when he's like five. And then not, like I've already thought that out of like, I want like five. And then nine, like I've already thought that out of, like I want to teach him, you know, the cash flow game and like I'm gonna teach him all these things, you know, but the fear in the back of my mind always is,

you know, if I indoctrinated with all this, this financial literacy early on, will it just become like a second thought to him and not a big deal? Between that and also when we had Joe DeCena on and he's bringing up like trying to create adversity and create these challenges. So there's struggle, right?

And there's, to be able to present that in a way where it's going to help to grow and foster this sort of work ethic and overcoming mindset versus like being given everything at your disposal and then, you know, not necessarily growing and developing the way we want our kids to. It's an interesting debate. I feel like I could argue it either way.

Where do you stand on it? It's a classic argument of nature versus nurture. And there's a couple of things though. First, is that learning is more than just knowing the steps, right? So if you're taking a person and you want to teach them the steps to eating, right, and exercising so they could take a test and write them down, that's one thing. If you want to teach them so that they live it for the rest of their life, that's a completely different thing.

That means that to go through and understand the skill and how to apply it and the value and how to, you know, the discipline and how to deal with not being motivated and all stuff, that's a completely different thing. And then the second part is, this is a classic nature versus nurture thing. For example, would LeBron James be good at basketball if you never practiced or trained basketball. I would argue, yes, but he would not be as good as now. He would be great. Yes, would I be a better basketball player

if I practiced basketball since I was a kid? Yes, will I ever be as good as LeBron James is now? No, right? So it's a nature versus nurture. So I think you have your potential. Well, what about in something like this where like, like, Zoobies tweet, like related to financial success? I agree with that. I do. I agree with that because a lot of people think the reason why they're not successful

is they didn't have money to begin with or lack the opportunity. Right. But I think a lot of that has to do with the look. Here's a deal. I grew up, I was raised by poor immigrants with no education. They started with no money. But money, but I will say I learned a lot of skills from my parents in terms of working hard, saving money, and not going into debt. I learned very basic financial skills from them. I didn't learn investments and stuff like that because they never had the money to do that.

And that's the stuff that people were debating me is just like, you know, if you knew what to invest in when you were young, I mean, I did. No, that's the second part. Right. The first part is, do you are. I mean, I know that's the that's the that's the second part. Right. The first part is do you know how to work live within your means and not go into debt. Most people don't know that it's like this. It's like, do you know how to not eat enough, not overeat? And do you know how to count your macros?

Very basic. And most people don't know that when it comes to that. And that's a. The millionaire next door, it covers that that the number one thing that all millionaires had in common is the ability to live. They, there's like tons of millionaires in all different ways, they made their millions,

but the one thing they all had in common was the ability to live significantly below their means, right? Totally. Yeah, because if you knew that strategically, you knew how to invest, like you went to go invest and you made all the right decisions with that.

Like it just was something that was an opportunity, given to you, but you didn't go through the steps of valuing money and like learning to earn it, you know, in a certain degree and then make those investments, you may just make, you know, a wild investment and then lose it all

because like you think that same playbook's can apply. Yeah, I'll tell you well I know somebody personally who passed away and I know them personally They earned they were big earners in most of their working career Okay, they were really really good at what they did made lots of money died left their family with debt because They lived at the they lived above their means. Then I know people who, you know, blue collar workers, they didn't make a ton of money, but they lived a particular way,

they lived below their means, they didn't go into debt, and they were able to retire early and have a nice nest egg to take care of themselves. So that's rule number one, and I tell you what, I know people who struggle with money, who are adults, and I know them personally, and you look at their spending habits, and it's like they spend money on, and I know this sounds silly, but add it up. Starbucks all the time, cigarettes, going out to eat, five million screaming services.

Oh, it's Christmas time. We're going to spend $250 on our kids for their presence. So we're going to, you know, oh, I have enough money to afford this car payment. So rather than looking at the cost of the car, they go squeeze how much they can make a car payment. And they constantly are pushing it. And it's like, well, that's why you're always living that way. So that's the, it's not the investment aspect. Yeah, that might take you to like a whole nother level. But I think if you, and this is a fact, look at the average American's debt, it's insane. Well, nor is it necessarily the opportunity either. I actually think that bring it back full circle

of how this conversation started, the teacher has a lot to do with this. Like you could have a parent who can teach you about finances that may not be wealthy and you have a lot of success that way. So I think that actually can have more of an impact than not, like, or have a parent that doesn't at all and you grew up in a bad situation

and then you just fall in the same pattern. So I think back to the whole coaching point how impactful a good coach and teacher can be, a good coach or teacher could teach a lot of this stuff. And I know we've moved over to money and finances, but it's the same thing, right? Well, there's those studies on my favorite ones are the studies on lottery winners, where they'll follow lottery winners and the majority of them, if they start out in financial distress and then they win, you know, $10 million, $20 million, I forgot what the timeline was,

some like seven years later, they're usually back to where they were before. After winning, I think it's even faster than that. Millions of dollars. Which just, you know, and again, it's like this. It's the year. Does your change behaviors? Just like with fitness. Yes, and I'm gonna use this analogy

because our audience is a fitness minded. And I know by saying that people, like that's bullshit. If I won 10 million, okay, here's a different one. If I could snap my fingers and make all Americans fit in lean right now, how long before they got back to their current level of unhealthiness, it would happen. They wouldn't maintain it, right? Because they didn't have the skills to continue doing that, right? So it's just, you know,

it's one of those things is very challenging. 70% of people who win a lottery or receive a large windfall go bankrupt within a few years. Yeah. It's a majority. Wow. Yeah. Never learned how to manage it properly. Well, you know, you know, you know, you can build a good favorite. It's just like what you said.

It's okay. A better example that's like just like this is somebody who goes and gets 30 pounds of fat liposuck out of their body. Yep. Like, that's a better example of like the lottery example. Like, that's literally like winning the fat loss lottery or Bariatric surgery. Yes. I mean right so you do something that dramatically just takes the weight off over in a course of a month or two and you got You got to where you want to learn anything

It's you didn't analogy with like going Mount Everest and getting dropped off by helicopter Right. It's the journey. You made it, but did you learn anything? No, yeah It's the journey school you made it, but did you learn anything? No, not taking it a step further. What do kids learn in school about financial literacy and skills? What did you guys learn in school? Nothing. Not a damn thing. They don't teach us debt, credit cards, loans.

They didn't teach us anything about money that's a big, they don't didn't teach us anything about money you had to work. They teach you how to become a professor. They don't want you to know anything about money. I think that's my opinion. Yeah, no, I have a similar belief that they just want you to be another cog, you know, and just get into the system and just, you know, work and make a certain amount

of money, pay your taxes. I mean, that's where it's at. And of course, they don't teach you about really how to maintain your health either. It's like some of the most important things that you could possibly learn. I mean, I had to learn, you know, just me too, this is my personal story here. What I learned from my parents were very basic skills again because my parents didn't have a high education and were poor.

And they learned what they taught me was don't spend a lot of money, save, and don't go into debt, which are the basic skills. And it did take me far. But as a young, I mean, I was 19, 20, managing these big gyms. I mean, you're talking 1998, right? I was making well into six figures as a kid, living with my parents.

So I was saving tons of money. I did not learn anything about investments because my parents didn't understand investments. Now, had I learned that, oh my God, I would have gone to the next level. not learn anything about investments because my parents didn't understand investments. Now, had I learned that, oh my God, I would have gone to the next level. But the basic skills definitely took me, you know, a certain direction.

You know what I learned? I learned to stop telling people to buy stocks and they're not buying it myself. Oh, bro. If you keep happening to me too. To great advice out of. Yeah, I've been killing it. I'm so tired of hearing about stocks.

I don't even want it. Where's the Trump one at now, dude? Well, the Trump one's now down because I'm sure a of hearing about stocks. I don't even want it. Where's the Trump one at now? Well, the Trump one's now down because I'm sure a lot of people sold. They got. But it's at 68. I mean, we talked about it was like 20. Yeah. I love that.

Was there even an example of it or was just people just buying on the speculation of what it was going to become? Oh, bro, it's just because the news. Yeah. It's one of those news stocks, right? My favorite is still HubSpot. Yeah, I know. You know HubSpot's at now. I don't want to know. No, that's good, don't know. I mean, Adam, when you know, we's just because the news. Yeah, it's one of those news stocks, right? My favorite is still HubSpot. Yeah, I know you know HubSpot's that I don't want to know. No, that's good. I mean Adam. We know we need to talk about this

Bro, it's at $800 dollars 87 bro 100 dollars, but that's a company that's gonna just yeah, I mean they're they're leading the way you know I'll see another one to again. I don't have stock in a Miss Tesla Test that one blows me away. Yeah, because of how crazy well hurts just ordered a hundred leading the way. You know what else, another one too, again, I don't have stock on him is Tesla. Tesla. That one blows me away. Yeah, because of how crazy. Well, Hertz just ordered a hundred thousand cars.

A hundred thousand cars. They signed a contract for a hundred thousand. If their Hertz is gonna move their fleet into all Teslas, pretty much all Teslas. That's a hundred thousand cars, I think it's probably a big bulk of that. Yeah, and then Morgan Stanley came out and said that Tesla will go all the way over 1200,

I think is what they're predicting and they're like at 900 something right now, Doug, maybe you can check me, I think Tesla is at nine something and Morgan Stanley came out that it's there for sure till 12. Wow, that's a big order. And if other rental companies follow suit,

oh boy, that'll be massive. No, absolutely. Speaking of things that hurt funny story. So I got to tell this story because it's just hilarious. So last night, so you guys know the night before I came into work, well, I'll set a thousand right now. Tesla. So you guys know, I came into work the other day and I look like the walking dead because

our power went out because of the storm Yeah, no sleep for you and we have my son who always Sleep is always challenging for him. He we have sound machines that are on and now he's used to that I didn't even think of this because he's now been raised Bro hold on so okay, he's raised He's raised with sound machines now, right? Yeah thought of your story. Well, no, no, I'll tell you. He's raised with sound machines now, right? So now without the sound machines, you can't sleep.

Okay, power goes out, sound machines don't work. The reason why I can't use my phone or our phones is because we couldn't charge our phones. So our phones were at half power and I needed it to wake up the next day because we lost, so anyway, from basically 2am and on and off no sleep so I came in here just totally dead. So last night you know I told Jessica like we need to go to bed hell early she was obviously tired too so she's like I'll go to bed

like pretty much when he does and then hopefully I'll fall asleep so we go upstairs she goes to bed 730 goes to sleep and I'm like you you know what? I'm still kind of wired. Let me go downstairs and I'll come back up and when I'm tired. So about 45 minutes later, so 815-ish. I walk upstairs. This is funny story. This is a husband-of-wife story, right? I get into bed. I sneak in real quiet. And I'm like, oh man, my stomach. God damn it. And you ever have like a, just you just drop heat in the under the covers? Yeah, okay. A Dutch oven? Oh bro.

But it's safe. It's just air, but it's extra hot. Oh yeah, I'm sorry I'm sharing the story with this hilarious because the sheets are down, so I'm like it's safe. If nobody moves, of course she turns over. And then I'm like, please God, please don't it. And sure enough I heard it turn over. She just all of a sudden, mother fucker! Oh my god! I'm like, oh, I'm like, please God, please don't it. And sure enough, I heard it turned over. She just almost said, mother fucker.

Oh my God. I'm sorry. You're not a good husband and you don't roll the opposite direction and then let it creep out the back. Bro, that's a good husband. You got to have little escape hatches. Yeah, you got to roll the opposite direction and you got to let it creep out the back.

It doesn't matter. And a little bit at a time, because if you go all of it at once, the aroma will be too strong. It was bad. It was, I felt so bad for it. I just hear, I just hear a wake up mother fuck. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry for that.

Bro, you sure heard what? You sure heard what happened to Katrina just the other day. So Katrina goes in and gets max. It's like, I don't know, I think it's like four o'clock in the morning. This is when we were up at Truckee. And she goes and gets max. He's, you know, she's like half, it's like four I don't know, I think it's like four o'clock in the morning. This is when we were up at trucky and she goes and gets max. He's, you know, she's like half, it's like four in the morning and he wakes up. And when he does that sometimes, if it's like after four, she'll go get him and she'll put

him in the bed with her and let him sleep the rest away. So she goes and it's all, she keeps it all dark. So she doesn't wake up, turn the lights on. She scoops him up, puts him in the bed, and the crowd lays down and she's laying there. And right now, Mazi's hurt. Like, his, I don't know if it's arthritis or what. And we didn't, she didn't take him out that night. So, and she was all worried like,

because he's like, because he can't get up and down the stairs. And she tells me I couldn't walk him late at night. I had max and couldn't figure out how to do it by myself. And so I just, you know, crossed my fingers that he doesn't go in the house. Well, all of a sudden, she smells shit, like really strong, and she's like,

oh my God, she just, it's 4.30 in the morning now. I've scooped max up in here, so she gets up and she's like using her phone to look on the carpet and stuff like that, and she's like, she doesn't see anything. She's like, what the hell? She's like, I smell so strong, like poop, and so she turns around, I've crawls back in bed.

Again, like smells really bad. She's like, oh, maybe Max is, you know, had a poopy diaper. She goes to check his poopy diaper and he is covered in shit. Oh, no. So he shit the bed. And like, I mean, it just like, explode one of those explosions.

And she actually picked him up and brought him into our bed, all like that. And then now it's like all over her. She doesn't know until she turns the lights on. And she's like, she's covered in shit, bro. And she's like, five o'clock in the middle. Good stuff. Oh, dude.

Poor kid. Oh, I know she got up and just, you know, obviously stripped the bed and then just did a bath with him. And so, the two, that's the two worst things in the middle night. Is that, was a blowout or throwout? Have you had that yet where your kids like, I threw up and he's like,

oh, you're so over the wall. You know to do, you're like, get the garbage bat, I don't know what we do. Is there a hose? When Max was little, you remember that, we went through that phase where he was learning to do that to make her. To get her attention.

Yeah, smart kid. We would watch him on the camera and he would, this was, he hasn't done this in a long time but he used to do this when he was like one. We would watch him on the camera and he would, this was, he hasn't done this in a long time, but he used to do this when he was like, one, where he would be looking at the camera. Yeah, I was thinking. Oh, yeah, bro, he knows where the camera's at and he knows that we could, because I used to talk to the camera.

So he would look at the camera like after he'd cry for a little bit. Yeah. And then he'd look up there. Dude, so easy. My son, he, he's found his screaming voice apparently, and so he just randomly screams, just loud at the top of, ah, ah!

Now Jessica is sensitive to sound. So she's the kind of person that she can only tolerate so much sound, and I'll funny considering she married me, right? She needs it quiet or whatever. And he's screaming and she's like, it still texts me. She's like, I'm trying to maintain because I don't want him to know that it's really bothering me. Yeah, yeah. Because then he'll continue doing it. So it's like, I'm hoping this is a phase that'll pass. But dude,

I come home and he's playing and just screaming. He's going over there. He just screaming. Just screaming. Yeah, just his favorite thing to do. Oh my god. I'm like, honey, I'm sorry. He took my genetics. You got a loud ass husband to kick it down my bad. You speak, so I wasn't gonna bring his exhaust to kind of try and like keep it for like a cool like, well, actually, I don't even know if it'd be a good butcher box commercial or not. But it was like this moment we're at the table and I was talking to Everett and Ethan

and they had been getting into YouTube videos and memes and they love watching all these memes and stuff. And there's this one YouTuber that says vegan lady who's just really aggressively angry. And so they're like, why is she so angry, Dad? And they're asking all these questions about veganism. I'm trying to like, you know, like have them understand, like,

and be a little more empathetic, like, okay, well, like she's considering like the way that some of these farms are set up is like, you know, it's like, you know, just horrendous. Like, they're mistreating these animals, they're putting them in these cages, and like, you know, shoving all these, like, kind of, oh, no, I'm not sending them, and, you know, it they're putting them in these cages, and shoving all these antibiotics in them. And it's just like inhumane the way that some of these

farms are set up, and then I had to try and explain. And then basically, other ways of practice, like grass-fay, grass-finish, and having free reign, I actually ended up turning into a commercial. I started talking to them, and this is why we have butcher box. They're, they're, you made me treat it. Like 10 word, you saw. And blah, blah, blah, right?

And then this is where it got me because this is where I was like, okay, this is my son, but also I had to have another conversation after this. He's just like, well, dad, I mean, shouldn't be like this. Like you should just say that, you know, all the cows are racists. What? That way we kill them and people are happy. Oh my God.

Oh my God, these ligands. But I'm like, okay, this is a while, how their brains turn at that age, you know what I'm saying? This is the point where you know that that term has been watered down. We only kill, we only kill back overused. And so I was just like, this term has been way overused and this is a real thing that's an evil thing. And like, here's why and all this kind of stuff. But like, you know, you can just see

how just throwing these terms out there so willy-nilly about every little thing. Like, this is what happens, dude. And now it's not like respected for what it really is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's totally true. While speaking of like health and stuff like that, so I got two messages from some of our listeners. One of them was very interesting.

So you guys remember when I brought up the supplement Agmoutine? Yes. You guys remember that? Okay. One of the one of the purported benefits of Agmoutine is to help with opiate withdrawal. And I mentioned that in on the show. Well, somebody messaged me and says he goes Sal he goes that was a godsend He goes I've been trying to come off of opiates because he's he's got an opiate problem where he takes you know like pink

Hills remember he says the Agmontine is helped from end so does it does it? Like a Cratum does is it pair with the opiate receptors? Is that what no? It helps it. How does it help so the thing with cratum is then you'll go on with the opiate receptors? Is that what? No, see the helps it, how does it help it? So the thing with cratum is, then you'll go on with the drawles when you go off that. Right, right, because I mean, that's the downfall of cratum is that. No, the agmentine's not like that.

If for whatever reason, the way that it works with the neurotransmitters, is it just helps with the withdrawal. So when people go off opiates that take agmentine and apparently according to the studies, the withdrawal is much lower. And so this guy message mean is like, man, I feel like this is like a godsend.

This was a big, and it's not an opiate, and it doesn't act on the opiate receptor. So interesting. Very interesting. And then I got another message about one of our sponsors, Organified. So, you know, the products that we use in here most often are like the green juice, the pure, and the protein.

And then we'll throw in the red juice here and there once in a while. But they have a lot of products, and there's a lot of stuff that I've never used. I see the ingredients and it looks really interesting, but I've never used. Well anyway, somebody messaged me and said that they were using their liver reset product.

So they have a supplement with compounds that help the liver with its health, like artichoke and it's dandelion root and milk fissile. Anyway, they said that their liver enzymes were always kind of an issue. They started taking it and they noticed the dry and improvement and their energy have gone up a lot as well.

Now the ingredients in the liver reset have been shown in studies to have beneficial effect on the liver So it's not you know, there's there's proven benefits, but they were mentioning how it's really improved their quality life Yeah, I'm taking so it's cool to hear about that's interesting. Yeah, because that was one of my markers when we were doing that whole life insurance thing Like I was I would have better numbers. I should have considered that before. Are you done with that? So what happened? So after that happened, you were the most unhealthy out of all nationals. That's not scary.

That's not scary at all. No, so I mean, so it does explain this to me how this, because I was confused by this too, like how this, there's like a, we did all, we all did our stuff, our blood work for our life insurance and stuff like that. And there's, there's grading scales. Like you're the insurance guy, explain to me how that works and what's good,

what's bad, how much of a difference that can make on your payment. Is it like super preferred or something like that? Yeah, it's like super preferred, preferred standard. Is that the super preferred the highest? Yes. What's the lowest? Well, there's rated policies.

So you can have like ABC table D type ratings. So for example, somebody's had cancer. Like seven years ago, they may be able to get a policy, but it's rated like table C or something. So your price is way more. So what they do is they add basically the cost of insurance goes up. There's something called a flat extra where you add extra premium. And of course, the higher the rating, the lower the cost of insurance per thousand dollars. You know what I know, it's interesting about this. So if you read about markers that predict your mortality,

the insurance companies actually do a damn good job in comparison to other ways of seeing someone's potential mortality over a period of time. Really? They have to. Yeah, right, I was gonna say it's money. They spend so much money on research and figuring out because it's competitive market, right? You're gonna go, you're gonna compete, compare,

sorry, four different life insurance companies, and they wanna give you the best price, but they also have to profit, otherwise they're not gonna have a business. So they are really good at figuring out how much you can pay versus what your mortality risk is and then what their profits are going to look like. That's why they do the big physical, they do all the tests. So when they say you're preferred, super preferred or whatever, if you ever want to know,

your risk of mortality, go try to get life insurance, they're actually really good. I was going to say that's like the real dead pool, right? You get all the insurance companies like have your name out there. Like, I don't know, like, yeah, I'll give them another 10 years. They have to, because that's how they make their money, because if they're wrong, then they'll lose money or they'll get out competed by a company

that does a better job with you. Now, Doug, you did this stuff. So are there certain ones that you know that are really major? Obviously, I think smoking is a big one. I know you've said that before. Yeah, so they ask all types of questions regarding like health things such as smoking,

obviously your medical history such as diabetes, cancer, heart disease. But there's also other risks such as, do you skydive? Do you go spillunking? You know, these are like crazy questions. Do you write a motorcycle? They ask. Yeah.

And so they actually have what's called mortality tables. And these are like tables that say, okay, based on these risk factors and your current age, this is how long we anticipate you're gonna live. In order for our company to make a profit, we need to charge this much for insurance. So say you want to do a, say a 10 or 15 year term policy for a million dollars. That's very inexpensive, if say you're 35 or 40 years old, for annual. But the company's on the line for a million dollars from day one.

So they wanna make sure that you're gonna at least make it pass that 10 to 15 year mark on that policy. Yeah, because they don't wanna pay out on a term policy. In fact, they don't pay out on over 95 or 97% of term policies. Those are their cash cow there. So those mortality tables definitely tell them, okay, where's this person at? How much should we charge him? And they're in it for the profit,

of course. And something as simple as Justin's liver enzymes being a little bit off is enough to knock him down a whole category, or is it a lot of, was it because of his STDs and stuff in there, that's more like the crabs, but I told them it was only there for their friendly crabs you know yeah so I mean no really though I mean it was is that enough to knock him down a whole category yeah so they're looking at like the elevated liver enzymes and they're saying okay this guy has something going on with this health even though is probably related to his exercise yeah but but they're saying this is a risk factor.

And because of this, we're going to use our discretion and give him a lower rating. Yeah, but if you go back and say, okay, I noticed my CK levels are a little elevated, but I do resistance training six days a week. And then they look at everything else, then they'll say you you're right because they have to consider certain things. Yeah, okay Yeah, when you exercise and you tear muscle down and all that kind of stuff and you have more muscle mass Your numbers will be a little different than the average persons and if they don't know that They're gonna think that you're then those numbers look bad compared to the average You know the irony of that is I so I'm working out the least that of all of us right now, and my levels came back, my blood work came back the best.

But in the past, when I did it for like my hormone therapy, my levels were, and I was consistently training almost every day, they were off a little bit. So it's kind of, it's kind of like this. It's a little misleading. Yeah, because I mean, technically, just three months ago or whatever it was when I did my blood work for my HRT, I would consider myself healthier than I am now, just because I was exercising even more than, but the irony is that it threw my blood work off a little bit compared to it. And then what does this say about the percentage of people that exercise regularly that these life insurance companies work with?

Most of the people that they work with are just like most people. They don't exercise regularly or definitely not with any intensity. That's why body mass index, you know, that's why they'll consider your weight. I mean, if they don't know that we lift weights and work out and they just look at our weight, they'll get, you'll get something in the mail from Kaiser, for your obesity clinic.

I want to put you on 1500 calories. I was like, what the fuck dude? Like, you don't hit me while I'm down, you know? Like couple of shots of nuts. That's so great. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that.

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I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. I please don't share too much. Come on. There's no we're not gonna. There's no confirmation why it was amazing, right? Doug, have you watched it yet? I haven't. I'm waiting for that. Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay. So one of the best movies I think I've ever seen. I'm not bringing your credibility back up with your

recommendations. It's one of the best movies I've ever seen. It is easily. You guys, you guys compare it to Matrix. Yeah. So, yeah, so you know why it was so good? Because first off, the way it depicted the future, I think it did it in a way, sometimes when directors or whatever, I feel like it's good. Cause I feel player one, hit it out the park with something. It was so good, it's like very believable.

Yes, but remember, Dune is set in the year 10,000. Okay, so it's so far in the future. Like, ready, player one is like, you could believe that happening in the next 50 years, right? The year 10,000, you're trying to create a future that's 8,000 years for now, whatever. Like, that's crazy. But what they did, that was really interesting,

is the way that they incorporated culture with technology and in the explainer. Or explain the technology. This is something that you're gonna find a lot of movies that they don't take the time to really describe like why it's relevant. Why it's relevant I'm wearing the suit in all the intricacies with that suit and like,

so they took the time to explain their way through each one of these like tech items. And it was like, I just, I picked up on that the second time of walks I already watched it twice. But yeah, the other thing is like, you know, this author, instead of going in the direction of like all tech, like advancements,

was like more of the human advancements. Like so, say that like, you know, way in the future, we figure out like telekinesis, we figure out like psychic abilities, we figure out like telekinesis, we figure out like psychic abilities, we figure out like all these different ways of like improving our involvement of humanity. Like, where does that lead? Like, so it's just a different idea

that I think is really cool, but also you do see like really cool spaceships and like all that kind of stuff. Yeah, the scale. I love the scale as massive. And I love the story. So my other critique, because I'm a big sci-fi fan, and one of my big critiques with sci-fi

is they focus too much on the imagery and not on the story. Or the tech is ridiculous. Or they'll put tech up for the sake of it. For example, minority report, there up for the sake of it. Like, for example, minority report, there's some cool stuff in it, right? But then they show these big, massive awkward computer, and just to show that you can move your hands, nobody would have a computer that I have to stand up

and move like crazy to you just to make it look cool. So when I see it, I go, they went overboard with that, right? This doesn't do that, the scale is incredible, and the story is really good. And it's so, it's one of those. It's very believable. Yes, dude, it's it's one of those. It's one of those. Yes, dude. It's going to be epic, bro. It's an epic film. Speaking of good stories, I was, so just a couple nights ago, I'm trying to catch up to you guys.

I think, now, are you watching you yet? Yes. You are. How far are you? Before you say anything, where are you at? No, I'm on episode nine and I'm already having weird dreams because of this forget it. I had a dream the other night. It's four or five in. Okay, so I had a dream that Jessica and I murdered someone and buried them in the woods and I woke up and I was like, what do you need to, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, surprising you guys did that. Yeah, it's surprising. I didn't add to it. I had to apologize. This happens in Justin, by the way, sometimes.

Sometimes he brings up really cool stuff and just because maybe Sal or I have a red on it. Why does that sell it with enough of a red? Yeah, you get a cell-batter. Okay, that good. Take some ownership here. I'll take a picture. Sell your stories better.

Sure. So, before you guys are just dicks. So, we're watching, right? And we're downstairs maxing asleep. We're watching a couple episodes of you. Katrina's on the computer and she's working at the same time, like kind of half watching. And I'm watching it and I'm like,

oh, get the fuck out of here. And I'm like kind of barking at the TV. And she's like, what, I'm like, are you not seeing what they're doing right now with measles? I'm like, look how they're trying to draw this parallel with spreading measles right now, the same thing that we're going through right now. And she's like, no, she goes, oh my God,

that's so funny because I literally was just, she's like responding to emails with work and stuff. She's all, we got this email from a fan, and I wasn't even a waste my time sending it to you guys, but maybe you wanna see it now. And I'm like, well, what is it? She's like, it's someone's watching you, and they've heard us talk about it on it

and they wanted us to talk about this point of like how they're targeting anti-vaxxers and like making it a big deal and they do this parallel rammed in for sure. Oh, dude, I just, out of nowhere, all of a sudden it took this kind of turn. That was so written in. Like, it's because it's relevant for the times. You know what's annoying about that whole conversation that this is the truth now.

Not all vaccines are the same. I, you're not either anti-vax or pro-all-vax. If you're a wise person, you, you look at them all individually. Nisles vaccines are extremely successful. You get one, you have lifetime immunity. Comparing that to other vaccines and saying that they're all the same is silly. It just really is.

So if somebody's doing that, you're an idiot. They're not all the same. It's like saying all antibiotics are the same. We're all vitamins are the same. We're all whatever. It's not that way. But I mean, you could see how it like in boldins that sort of tribal response of like,

yeah, these people don't give vaccines or fucking Kelly back out. Yeah, it's exactly why they threw that in there. And you know, and I get it too. It's good writing in that they're, you know, this is the climate right now. And so they're sort of like presenting that as like how somebody would actually think about what's going on right now.

What also, yeah, it shows how like movies have a lot, you know, their narrative can really shift the way people collectively think. Yes. Because you gotta think there's a big portion of people that aren't doing their own homework research. They hear a little bit of stuff in the news, but then they're, they're binging their favorite show.

All right. And so a lot of that just kind of, it subconsciously solidifies some of their beliefs without really knowing everything. It's all corporate media. Okay, like for example, did you guys know that if you do a military movie and you depict the US military in a good way that you can actually get money from the US government to support your film?

Did you guys know that? I didn't know that. I mean, that's probably not the case anymore, but yeah. Well, let's be honest. My point is that there's a narrative and it's corporate own. I'll give you guys another So that's probably not the case anymore, but yeah. That's just, well, let's be honest. My point is that there's a narrative, and it's corporate own. I'll give you guys another, here's a great example. Okay, based off of that theory,

do you think that a show like you, you know, has an opportunity, so they obviously wrote that script during this whole time, right, in the last year or two, right? And in order to build that into the, and that probably, with the writer wrote this story, I doubt exactly was written that way, but they probably found a way to insert that into the storyline, right?

And, and, and does, do you, based off what you're saying, do you think someone like Netflix pays them more money to do that? Not pays more money, but I definitely think that they're saying, hey, let's put this in there. By the way, nuance and is not. Really, I don't believe that happens. You say, I do.

Really? Yeah, 100%. Here, I'll give you a great example. Here's the best example. Have you guys seen this whole thing with Joe Rogan and CNN? That's going on? Yeah, with what's his name?

Yeah, so he hammered them. And they went back and doubled down. Like Don Lemon, if that's that his name, that's something. Yeah, Don Lemon, yeah. He's keep saying that Iver Mect's something. Yeah, Don Lemon, yeah. He's keep saying that Ivermectin, the horse dewormer, okay. This drug has been prescribed to a billion humans and was prescribed to humans way before animals.

By the way, there's lots of drugs that humans use and animals use. They obviously are painting a specific narrative and Rogan is calling them out and they are losing right now. They're totally losing because he pointed out the obvious. a specific narrative, and Rogan is calling them out and they are losing right now. They're totally losing because he pointed out the obvious. I think that the narrative that they're trying to point is you either are anti-vax against all vaccines, or you're pro-all vaccines.

There's way more nuance. There's no between, yeah, there's no room for nuance for anything. But you okay, so I don't disagree that that's like a big narrative that's happening right now, but I also am careful not to put my 10 foil hat on and think that every single time I see it, there's like behind the door deals going on, like Netflix going, oh yeah, we're going to pay an extra million because you built that into the storyline.

Like you think that's happening? Well, I'll tell you what, here's what I think about Netflix. I think that they had a show that basically was soft core child pornography. Not a single fucking person walked out and was on strike at Netflix. Everybody was like, yeah, it's cool. Dave Chappelle, a comedian goes up there and says some jokes that are offensive because he's a comedian and people staged walkouts and strikes. So you tell me.

But again, that's the people working for it. And they have a narrative, absolutely. And their opinions, just like any company, I definitely think that I'm not necessarily saying that there's some emperor behind the curtain that's pulling all the strings. But when you have a company like that, a foreign guy is that are getting preference.

Terms of priorities in the forefront versus others that they're trying to kind of omit. like that. There's some ideas that are getting preference, you know, in terms of like priorities, like in the forefront versus others that they're trying to kind of like omit. Now, you don't think that's a bias of us because we have an opposing view. And so it seems like everything flies in the face of that. I don't care what my bias is. It's so clear. I watch the full sides though. That's the thing.

I try to do that. It's so clear. It's obvious. You know what reminds me of, what was that series that we watched that showed all those crazy sports scandals. Remember the one we saw with the bad sport bad sport with the referees. Okay, they were showing you know professional series A. I think it's called Italian soccer like one of the most the wealthiest most successful Yeah, leagues in the world and with some of the most

successful teams in the world. And there was this huge scandal of people influencing referees and picking referees and doing this whole thing. And it was wild and crazy. And it's definitely true and proven. Whenever there's a referee that actively plays a role in the game, there's a huge incentive for that referee to be influenced. That's the bottom line. So to say it doesn't happen with corporate media and corporations aren't working in tandem or influenced by government and back and forth,

there's bullshit, of course. Of course it is. And it's so obvious. You know, speaking of Bad Sport, did you like that? I mean, I know, see, this is why I've been, you know, I've been trying to get you to watch like 30 for 30s and some of these things because you'll enjoy the storyline. You know, they did one.

I watched one just like two nights ago. Drew and I had, this is crazy right here. So they're, I forgot the title. I think it's called horse killer or something like that. And there was this dude who was known for killing race horses for the rich because, and this is how bad this is right so insurance policy Yes, so these horses now here's the dirty part about this that blue mind. They're doing it to to change

$30,000 gaps like it's not like it's not like it's a million dollar horse and you and you have the horse killed and you cash out on a million It's like you get a horse you get you buy this race horse and it's a and you have the horse killed and you cash out on a million, it's like you get a horse, you buy this race horse and it's a 250,000, 150,000, so it sounded like most of them were somewhere between 150 and $250,000. Maybe you could sell the $250,000 horse for 190 at the time, but he's dead, he's worth 250.

And they have found ways to kill the horse through electrocuting them without it coming up on the autopsy as a form of murder. It looks like a sort of a stomach disease, the way it current, the stomach turns. Like something else that's common? Yeah, something else that's very common horses. And it's such a common practice that this guy did this for years and years for people.

And who knows if there's other people that have done it for them, but they would literally do it to close the gap on like 20 or 30 grand. I was like, oh my God, that's so terrible. They're probably like race horse. We've already studded it out. And we've got the genetics now, kill this one.

We'll make a little fun. Well, if it doesn't pan out, they you buy this core million horse and then the first three races they can really tell, oh, that he's either got it or he doesn't have it. And if he doesn't have it and you've already taken the insurance policy out and he's worth quarter million, he's worth more dead to you than he is alive. He's not going to go win races. The longer he races, the resell value is going to go down on him so you either got to sell it right now at a discounted rate or they kill him

and he's worth that. I thought man that's so fucking awful. awful speaking of which with animals you guys are seeing the news coming out with Dr. Fauci oh my god the dogs oh dude of all the shit by the way that this guy I heard the protests you know I have a name you know you have a neighbor that still has a sign in their front yard that says we I we believe in Fauci what how weird did they like why do you turn people like this or no we trust Fauci's what it says. We trust Fauci. He's a human. But why would you mean, again,

this is a belief system now. You're not gonna critically go through empirical data and news, like brand new news that comes out that like undermines like everything. That's such a powerful state. I don't trust anybody that I don't know. Yeah. Like if you don't know someone personally,

I'm saying, why would you ever come out, forget Fauci, anybody. Just anybody. Like you, someone says, It makes no sense. To say that. Okay, I could say, I might say, how dark is his person?

I'm okay with that. You asked me about this guy that, I admire that. Yeah, when you think about Sonsan, I like, he seems cool, this and that. But I would never go, I trust him.

Okay, well explain this, explain this study that study that that he can well so the first off i find it interesting that of all the things that he've been tied to like you know that the way that they've gotten money for research the way he worked with this is the one that is getting heat well i mean people don't like it when you kill puppies uh... and and that'll care what side of the i'm right for so so

there was a there was a test where they took beagle puppies and put their heads in cages. I saw the picture. Had like these flies eat them alive. Then they did another study where they took monkeys and they burned a part of their brain that would cause them to be terrified and then they present them with snakes and spiders

to see how they, just very inhumane animal studies and now he's gonna get destroyed over that. Those people are okay with other. He's making sure people still like, oh, I got Fauci, like, you know, the sign, the sign still up in the shower. That's wild, dude. So here's Mike Quatt, we're still brainwashed now.

Here's the question I have. Do you trust this person to babysit your kid? That's who I trust. I don't give a fuck who they are. Well, trust it, okay, saying you like someone or your interest, I mean there's a lot of other words you can choose but to say that you trust someone that you don't even know that's such a wild.

Yeah, why would you do that? That's why I mean those people who would have their kids spend the night with Michael Jackson and shit all the time. I'm like, do you know how great is music is? You ain't watching my kids. Yeah, we're not on that level. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway, it should stress a minute. Yeah, you know what? I tell you what, speaking of stress. Speaking of stress. Can I just tell you, the Ned Hempoil capsules are incredible. They feel so good. And they're so easy to take because they're in the capsule. But you know, it's funny, the audience says another,

we get stuff sent to us all the time. Companies are constantly trying to get us to work on CBD stuff. I must have tried, I don't know, 50 CBD hemp oil products and I almost never feel anything. I take them and I feel nothing. I feel nothing. Barely like any impact.

Nothing. Ned, you feel. Take Ned, wait 45 minutes. You think that's the full spectrum thing? Do you think that's the dos 45 minutes. Do you think that's the full spectrum thing? Do you think that's the dosage thing? Do you think that's the crop quality? I guarantee there's the shenanigans in the other price. Well, I know there is, but I mean,

because it's expensive, dude, we even looked into a long time ago, you know, extracting that from hemp. It's a really expensive process. Well, and you talk about all, do you guys talk about all the time about pixie dusting in the supplement industry. It's, I mean, talk about a very lucrative one to be pixie dusting right now because everybody is jumping on the CBD bandwagon.

So it's really, no, those companies. Real easy to put just a little bit of CBD in there and then fix them. And yeah, and, cause FDA's not regulating it, so it's pretty easy to get away with. No, if you take a good hemp oil product, you you should not, an hour and a half later, think to yourself, I think I feel it. Maybe.

No, you take it, an hour and a half later, you should be like, oh, I feel that. Like I feel a big difference. If you try NED, you will feel a big difference. And all these other companies that send to stuff, I almost never feel anything. Now do you have an order of their products that you like the most or that you use the most? Like what's your order with Ned's stuff? I like all their stuff, but there's definitely like ones I use more than that. So the hemp oil just feels good.

So I'll take that just to feel good if I want to hang out with the kids or go to a family function or my energy's low. So that's probably the one I use the most. The Ned's sleep is like my emergency. Oh, I need to get some goods. Because if I take that, it's gonna put me out. Anytime I travel, I'm bringing sleep. Mellow, I'll use regularly,

because it's just, I think I need magnesium and that the kinds of magnesium they have are quite absorbable. And I don't get tolerance to it. So I use that one. What about you? Not a lot of mellow, dude. Mellow is, I mean, and it wasn't like that

until that product came out. So that's one of their newer products. But, and I think it is because I was deficient. I don't think that I was getting enough magnesium and I think that, and I have, by the way, too, I've tried like other good brands that have magnesium and it doesn't give me the same feeling as the, the net does.

I don't know if that's liquid versus capsule. I don't know if that's the amount of the dose that's in it or the type of magnesium. Or the type in the dose. If you take, I used to take magnesium citrate or whatever, so one that fizzes. And, but basically, you don't absorb it. Basically just acts like a laxative.

So if you need a good laxative, there you go. Yeah, I'm so serious. Yeah, that does have that property because I remember trying to pitch at somebody and they're like, oh, so I could like, you know, shit my pants. I'm like,'m serious. Yeah, that does have that property because I've remembered like trying to pitch at somebody and they're like, oh, so I could like, you know, shit my pants and like, no, no, it's not like that. Have you guys stacked the mellow with the sleep before? Yes.

You want to go down, dude? If you want to sleep, if I want to sleep, like nine hours, then I'll do that. Yeah, I won't do that every night, but if it's a night where like I need to get to sleep, or maybe Vegas or something like that, or like reset like, oh my goodness. That is like talk about,

you know what I think I wake up, suck in my thumb. Yeah. It's like, on the frontal part, the drool on my pillow. Whoa, wow. That's it. Wake up, that was a good one. Bro, you ever do that?

You wake up and you look in the mirror and you get like drool crust. Yeah, oh man. Your skin is just like, that was a good night right there. That was last night for me. Do I tell you what, I woke up, bro, and I had like three crazy ass dreams

when the one was Jessica and I, because I watched you, I keep watching you. I murdered someone in the dream though, we didn't murder the person. I just remember I was in the dream thinking and I was hanging out with her like, I hope nobody ever found that. Nobody ever found that, dude,

because subconsciously, you know, you just keep taking in like some of these things, these imagery, like I went through that with walking dead and I had to stop, because it was like, it stopped being about the zombies. You know, like we gotta kill these zombies. It became like people just slaughtering people. Oh my God.

You know, and I was just like, why am I watching this? This is affecting me. I had a dream too, but you know it's weird that it wasn't gory, scary dream. It was like the planning of it, like that we were gonna kill somebody. And it actually didn't feel like a scary dream.

So that's what's so weird about watching you because I think they normalized it so much in there that it, you know, I watch a scary movie, which is rare, but if I were to watch something like that, like in the other reason why I don't like watching them is it does, it'll affect my, and I'll have a scary movie, which is rare, but if I were to watch something like that, like in another reason why I don't like watching them, is it does, it'll affect me. And I'll have a scary dream. Wake up, like, whoo, sweating, don't like it.

We're watching you. You're just about to. We're watching you, doesn't make me scared, but it's definitely in there because I have dreams of that, but it doesn't feel like a scary dream. Have you seen all the memes that people are making with what's their name love? The girl in there?

No, no. So she's like the epitome of like the crazy girlfriend or wife. So it's like, there'll be like the meme will say something like, you know, when someone likes your boyfriends picture on Instagram and it's got a picture of her. Yeah. I was like, oh my God. She's just taking people out.

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Pull ups, really? Yeah. That's actually a good call. Why do you hate them? I just was never good at them. You know, I was a pusher. Yeah, more than a puller. That's not, yeah, but it's true.

I don't know. There's something you end up there. There's no sexual pomegranate. Yeah. I just remember you remember the presidential physical fitness tests? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah-ups. We're just a grind. I can't even like this. Yeah. Because you got that dumb truck, bro. It's just sucked. And it's always been inside.

We'd avoid it and come back to it and avoid it. And now just like it's a part of the routine by spiked, because I just don't want to be weak. You know what's funny? What the presidential fitness test? I did a crushed everything. The one test he's stuff always pissed me off was the sit and reach. What a stupid fitness test, I did a crushed everything. The one test he's stuff, always pissed me off, was the sit and reach.

What a stupid fitness test. Yeah, look at you suck at it. I don't care. It's a facility. I crushed the run, I crushed the push, all the physical stuff. Then you gotta sit down and you gotta go and reach as far as you can.

We gotta give the gum be kids something. Yeah, right? Maybe so mad. Maybe so mad today. The area that that's probably your Achilles heel today, if you're probably the least flexible at all of us. No, I think flexibility, I'm pretty good, mobility is different though,

but I got decent flexibility from Jiu-Jitsu, but my mobility's not that phenomenal. It's a different story. That's a different story. So it's yours then. You know, I would have to say the split stance, lower body exercise. Ooh, Bulgarian splits quite like that.

Walking lunges, back step lunges, single leg exercises. They're just, I can get now, I enjoy them now because I've connected them to the, I've played some mind games on myself with it. I've connected the benefit to the exercise, which now makes me enjoy it. It's like, switch to do the vegetables too.

It's like, if I sit and like think of the taste of the vegetables, I'm like, oh, but if I start to really connect the dots to the exercise, which now makes me enjoy it. It's like, switch to do the vegetables too. It's like, if I sit and think of the taste of the vegetables, I'm like, oh, but if I start to really connect the dots to the benefit, then I start to actually enjoy the vegetables. Split stance exercises, you can't go as heavy. I love heavy training. I like loading up the barbell. I like to feel like I'm packing on the muscle. And when I'm doing those exercises,

they're lighter, they require more balance balance I need to be slower with them But I've dedicated myself to them for a little while and I see the carryover so now that I've connected them the benefit I like them a little more, but I still don't enjoy them as much as like that That's such a good point because I think that most there's most exercises that I do on a regular basis I might have I I probably hated it at one point, but because I've gone through that process of, okay, regardless of me hating it or not, I'm going to build into my routine consistently,

and then I've done it long enough that it's shown me the benefits from it that I've learned to like it. I mean, squats was like that for me at one point. Oh, wow, great point. You hated squats. I hated squats. It's like one of my favorite things to do. If there's anything, if I have a week where I do hardly anything, I will me at one point. Oh wow, great point. Yeah, I mean, you hated squads. I hated squads. It's like one of my favorite things to do.

If there's anything, if I have a week where I do hardly anything, I will definitely at least squat. So, you know, a lot of movements that I do on a regular basis, at one point, now, which, okay, here's the thing. Most people hate the stuff that is most effective and most difficult, right? Most people like, pull ups are pretty hard, you know? Squatting is pretty hard, deadlifting is pretty hard,

overhead, standing overhead press is hard. They're like, Turkish get up hard. These are all hard movements, and they also come with tremendous benefit. And if you've done a good job of putting it in your routine consistently long enough, it's probably page you dividends, and then you don't have the same feeling about it.

So it's hard to say this, like it's hard to, like, what is it that I'm doing right now that I'm in there on a regular basis that I really hate doing, but I continue to do it really well. I mean, pull-ups are probably the one that comes in mind the most Justin because I do go in and out of these phases when I am doing pull-ups and I just came out of a phase of not doing them for a while.

And so I suck at them right now. So as soon as I see I suck at them and I'm like, okay, I'm going to fix this. I don't want to be that bad at pull-ups, such a functional movement. I love pull-ups, one of my favorite exercises. But I think when you, you know what, you guys are bringing up good points because we've been training for so long. I think you got to get past some of that stuff because you see the benefit. You're like, well, this is why I'm doing it.

So I'm just gonna do it. I would never do a standing before you guys. I would have never done a standing overhead press on my own, just on something I like to do at all. I definitely wasn't even deadlifting before. I would have never done this sled drives. Never. It felt too, it didn't give me the pump

and it felt like I was, like what, I'm not gonna play football or whatever. Yes, it's hard and yeah, yeah, like less reward. But now I do it at least once a week if not twice a week because I'm starting to really see and feel the benefits that it's providing. Yeah. But you know, that's another good point. You are gonna go through cycles with exercises. There's gonna be times when you're not gonna like an exercise and then times when you like, like, you know, here's a deal.

Certain ways of working out, I like when I'm trying to get lean. There's going to be times when you're not going to like an exercise and then times when you like like you know here's a deal Certain ways of working out. I like when I'm trying to get lean and there's certain ways of working out that I like to do When I'm trying to build size and bulk like heavy lifting for low reps and you know long rest periods you want to suck When I'm getting lean because I'm just not a strong. I'm not gonna go out and squat or deadlift tons away Well my calories are low So I tend to pair it with lighter weight and supersets just not as strong. I'm not gonna go out and squat or deadlift tons of weight when my calories are low. So I tend to pair it with lighter weight in supersets, not cause of the calorie burn or anything, but because I'm already not gonna,

I'm already not gonna lift as much weight because I'm doing short rest periods. Mine's we'll do it when my calories are low, right? Well, that's the same. I mean, I just got back into like kettlebell swings. I hate it right now because I just been if doing like no cardio, no endurance training, like nothing like that kind of explosive. And it's, oh man, and it's very visible

and my body feels the lack of work in that direction. So it's just one of those things I'm like, well, I should probably get back into these just because I haven't done them in so long. I mean, that's the takeaway from this is that, no matter what it is you hate doing it, you do it long enough, you're gonna to see some tremendous benefit from it. And that typically switches you hating it. I think at one point, a lot of the stuff that I do

on a regular basis and a lot of the stuff that I love today, I hated it at one point. Yeah, no. So if you can discipline yourself to just be consistent, especially if you know it's good for you, right? You know it's a movement. You know it's a one of those movements that has so many benefits to it. And you just have never been really consistent with it for long enough, stick with it and it'll probably end up turning into something you love. Here's a little mind game, you can, because it's all about how you perceive the movement and what part of it you're focusing on. Like if I'm focusing on am I good at this exercise now, then there's going to be exercises that I'm gonna hate.

If I switch my mindset and fall in love with the improvement of the exercise. So, not that I'm good or bad at it, but rather, wow, I can see that I'm getting better at it. And I fall in love with that part of it. Then what ends up happening is these exercises that you suck at start to become your favorite because the potential for improvement is so high in them. Right.

Like the exercises that I'm already good at now, my potential for improving on them is low. I've been doing them for a long time. I'm already good at them. But if I go do an exercise I suck at, I'm going to see improvements on a weekly basis. And so if I don't focus on the fact that I suck at it, but rather the improvements, now I start to enjoy doing the exercise. So you have to change your mindset. Yeah, reframe it.

Yes. Next question is from Cara M. McCloud. What do you all do during rest times between sets? Send news to each other. Yeah, it's always, it's always to each other. Sal does that. I dance. You're working on him.

Flexing pictures all the time. You know why I picked this out at him? You know why I picked this question? Because when I first became a trainer, I remember thinking this was the strangest thing ever. But I trained client. Remember I came from a resistance training background, it's how I always worked out.

And I would train a client and then we would do a set and then we'd stop. And they'd be like, okay, what do I do? What do I do now? No, no, no. What do I do while I'm resting? Can I do something else? I remember being like, no, you just rest.

That's the point. Oh, I don't need the rest. You know, I know it's not that you don't need the rest, but the rest is what is allowing us to target a specific adaptation. If you don't rest, we're training for stamina and endurance, which is fine if that's what you want, but if you want strength, muscle building,

you're wanting the water. You're writing the water as if you keep moving. Yeah, so now that being said, so in between sets, you're not trying to exercise or do anything, but what I like to do in between sets is read. I like to read interesting articles or I like to write. So sometimes my workouts will spark interesting thought for me. And since I work out before the podcast, I'll take notes, oh, you know what? There's this thing about this exercise

I wanna talk about, or, oh yeah, I got that message from that person about that particular supplement and I'll write notes. And that is a really cool feeling to be productive in between sets that way. But I think the key is, it really doesn't matter so long as you rest, so long as you're not getting your body tired. Well, I think it matters, I think it matters quite a bit actually, but I think the key is it really doesn't matter so long as you rest, so long as you don't, you're not getting your body tired.

Well, I think it matter, I think it matters quite a bit actually, but I think it matters most is what your desired outcome is from the workout, right? So there's times when I'm training for more for the mental aspect and just the consistency of being healthy than I am then making progress in the gym. So like there's definitely two very clear differences of like my mentality going into the workout. If I'm on a kick like I just, you know, okay I'm prepping my food right now, I'm gonna make some serious body fat change or strength gains. I actually want my music in my ears.

I don't want any distractions. I don't want my phone nearby me. And between resting periods, I'm actually music in my ears. I don't want any distractions. I don't want my phone near by me. And between resting periods, I'm actually focusing on my breathing. And I'm just calming my heart rate down, already thinking about my next set and how much weight I'm about to grab and kind of keeping an eye on the clock

to see where my timing is. And then boom, I'm in it. Oh, you're like your focus. I'm so focused on the lift and what I'm doing. And it's all about optimizing that. So I'm calming my brain. I'm bringing focused on the lift and what I'm doing, and it's all about optimizing that. So I'm calming my brain, I'm bringing my breathing down, making sure I'm getting really good rest before I get into the next one

and then prep my self, getting psyched to go in. Like that psych, you know, training at them. I'm focused on making moves with my physique. Then there's, you know, other times where I'm probably more like this right now, where, you know, I'm about optimizing my life and I'm about what's going on in our business and so I'm multitasking. So I might be texting to Katrina something that's going on or one of you guys business stuff.

I might be reading an article in between my rest period may not be exactly right at 90 seconds because I might be right in the middle of saying something at the 90 second market and might go to two minutes or whatever. So, and I don't think that there's necessarily something wrong with that. So long as that your desired outcome at the time isn't so focused around progress. Like, it's okay to go work out, and it's not always about, I gotta add, you know,

two more pounds of muscle, or I gotta burn three more pounds of fat. Sometimes it's just, it's part of my routine of being a healthy, a healthy fit dad, and I can multitask and do that. But so it really matters what your desired outcome is going into it, in my opinion. Yeah, I have a very similar way of approach

rests with that in terms of like what I'm actually trying to accomplish in the attainment. So if it is performance driven, you know, in between is just that meditative empty mind. So it's really for me, it's just trying to stay as present as I can and like not think about anything else going on. And it's something I have to be disciplined with as I'm sitting there, as I'm just slowly walking around and keeping my heart rate calm.

It's just trying to focus on my heart rate, I try to focus on my breathing, I try to then stare at one thing and just let my mind just completely empty all thought and then I go right back in and then accomplish my next set. But other than that, it's like, sometimes it's restorative. I'm just trying to chill like, just chill in between, or sometimes I'm trying to be creative, you know,

and so a lot of cool ideas come to me, like, to Sal's point, like, I'll write them down, you know, if I'm in that sort of mindset, sometimes it's their social, you know, components, if I'm not taking the actual time in the gym as seriously, in terms of, you know, trying to move the needle forward. It's just more of a maintenance kind of a phase for me. So it just really depends on what that intent

is going into the gym. Yeah, another example that, because I get people that ask a lot of questions about the, especially right now, the squat and scrolls going all over the place, right? You know, there was a time and a phase when I was really trying to make progress in that. Like, I was trying to get to a place

where I was comfortable in this really deep squat. And so, rest period, I could be doing dumbbell bench press and then I'd hop down on the ground and I'd, you know, get in that, you know, that I'd work down in that real deep position. And subtle flex there. Yeah. No.

That was, but it really though, that's, at that time, it was more important to me to get better hip and ankle mobility than it was to increase my bench press. So even though I'm in the middle of a bench press set, I'm getting ready to do my dumbbell press, I'm so focused right now on my hip and ankle mobility that I'm hopping down for that 90 seconds and I'm working on my hip and ankle mobility. That I'm hopping down for that 90 seconds and I'm working on my hip and ankle mobility.

So, you know, there's not like this rule of what you, but you have to know what is your main goal right now. And you guys said, like, we would never do like cardio. Well, that's not necessarily true. If I really cared about just increasing my work capacity and my stamina, I cared about that increasing my work capacity and my stamina. I cared about that at the time more than I even cared about building my chest or building more muscle.

You might actually do jumping jacks or something ridiculous in between sets. Most people, when their goal is fat loss or building muscle, that's probably going to be counterproductive. But if you cared more about building stamina, then you cared about building muscle burning fat. well, then it wouldn't be that bad of an idea to do things that are active when you're actually supposed to be resting. So it really depends on the mindset going into the programming when you do stuff like that. I mean, you have to try Paul Chex method. I think it's really interesting where he paints in between and has like that artistic side

of the brain kind of take over you know during the rest periods and then transitions back you know to getting after it. That's kind of what Sal's doing. Yeah. When you think about it when Sal's reading and then actually writing content, I mean you're using a different side of the brain to do that. Yeah because the majority of the benefit I get now from exercise and mental. It's the mental aspect of it that I do it mainly. But I want to see paint as a point. Okay. Yeah.

Next question is from Anil P. Fitness. White rice versus brown rice is there really a difference. So glad you brought this up because this gets asked a million times. So okay, brown rice is a whole grain. It's got the germ over it and the whole or whatever that makes rice difficult to chew or okay, does that make it healthier? No. In fact, it reduces its bioavailability and increases the odds at which it's going to cause

potential gut issues. So this is where what we've learned through mainstream, you know, baloney, you know, health and fitness advice is totally wrong. Yes, on paper, it's got more fiber and whatever. Therefore, it should be better. No, just like a rock is full of minerals, but if you eat a rock, it's not going to improve your health. Brown rice actually is harder to digest, can cause more issues and cause more potential gut issues. And there are things in brown rice called anti-nutrients that actually reduce

the, it doesn't strip you of nutrients. It can actually reduce the, the, the absorbability of certain nutrients. White rice is a far better. Now people think, well, what, we got to take something off the food to make it healthier. Yeah, okay. We just did, we did a recent podcast where we talked about how vegetables and plants have, you know, certain components in them to make them more difficult to digest as a defense mechanism. This is what the carnivore advocates talk about all the time. They say that, oh, plants have defense mechanisms. Therefore, they're bad for you, which they go too far with that. Yes, there are defense mechanisms and plants,

but that's why we process them and we cook them. And one of the things that we discovered as humans is that if you just eat the white rice and you boil it, it's very, white rice is very easy to digest. It's one of the foods that is really low on the scale of potential food intolerances. It's a great source of starchy carbohydrates. You try to eat the same amount of rice and make it brown, and a lot of people have gut issues from it or start to notice problems.

So the difference between the two in terms of application, white rice is easier to digest and probably better for you from a nutrient perspective in the sense that it doesn't reduce your absorbability of certain nutrients. Not to mention, it tastes way better. And it tastes way better. And if you flip the back or over and you look at the macros,

it's like you're splitting hairs. Yeah, they're almost identical what you're getting from a nutrient level. And it tastes better. I remember when I first learned that a long time ago, I never looked, I used to be a brown, I remember in my early 20s, I thought brown rice was healthier.

And so I was eating brown rice with everything and chewing it down, going like this tastes like shit, eating it, found that out. And I was like, oh my, I never look back, I never again did brown rice, I think it's ridiculous. So unless you're some weird person who actually thinks that brown rice tastes better than if that's the case and by all means, but it's,

your splitting hairs is the difference. But you still see it like Chipotle or one of these, you know, restaurant chains will, we'll all of a sudden promote like brown rice versus white rice and it's just, it's just still something that's out there that's portrayed as like the healthier option. You know it's like that too? Sweet potato french fries versus regular french fries. You think that you're getting this as healthier thing. I'm

doing but they're both deep fried and when you actually look at the macro difference on it, the fries will actually be a little bit lower, lower calorie. One thing that I noticed is there's this, you know, we know sweet potatoes healthy, so you think that those are better choice. For me personally easier to digest, believe it or not, white potato can sometimes cause a little bit of gut issues. Yeah, so it's phytic acid is what it's called

in brown rice that reduces the absorption of certain vitamins and minerals. And in fact, in some, in third world countries, by the way, they don't eat brown rice. They eat white rice because they find in a lot of third world countries, obviously their food intake is low and challenged and they don't have lots of variety. And they find when they eat lots of brown rice that the children would develop nutrient deficiencies.

And it wasn't until they switched to white rice that they solved this issue. So now that being said, again, if you like brown rice, that's fine, go for it. But if you're thinking that it's this healthier option, it's not white rice is for most people, probably better. Next question is from Billy B3. How much sugar day is too much? Anything over 27.25.

You know what's funny about this? That's close to a number I used to try and keep my class when I was 25 was the number of times. It depends on the person, but I will say this, here's what the studies will actually show. The amount of sugar that you eat, doesn't really matter as much as when your calories are low, especially if you're in a deficit.

If you're in a deficit, sugar doesn't have like this crazy negative effect. It's when you're in a deficit. If you're in a deficit, sugar doesn't have like this crazy negative effect. It's when you're in this calorie surplus that you start to see problems with lots of sugar. Now that being said, I will say this, sugar in my experience with clients does stimulate the appetite in a particular, in a very interesting way.

So if I have a client that's like, hey, I read the studies. It's funny because Lane likes to actually counter that argument all the time. He does, but my experience is not like that. Now I know it's usually sugar and combination with that that causes the, you know, the palatability and all that stuff. But in my experience, I've had clients who've done this.

They're like, hey, look, these were like doctors who read the studies in Excel. In this study it showed that high sugar, low calorie, blood markers, improved. There was no difference between that and a diet that was low in sugar. And I said, okay, give it a shot and let me know how you feel. And sure enough, they came back and I'm like, yeah, my appetite is all over the place. And it's harder for me to eat lower calories than when I eat more complex carbohydrates

and more fats and proteins. So that's the one thing I will say. But, you know, sugar in a high calorie, in the context of a high calorie diet, can have some pretty inflammatory effects in a lot of people and cause maybe potential issues with insulin resistance. Do you guys have any experience? My experience with my clients with this is that if I'm coaching a competitor who's weighing and measuring and tracking their food. So long as we stay within their parameters and the guidelines I give them, then allowing them to have sugar in the diet is no big deal.

So long as they're following their parameters and they're sticking to that. If I am trying to teach a client to kind of intuitively eat or just change some behaviors, one of the first go to things I do is actually cut back almost all sugar intake. Because I find that when I don't do that, clients do tend to overeat. What the mechanism that does that? I can't tell you.

I can't tell you exactly what's happening that causes people to do that. It's just I've experienced that with so many things. So many things. And myself enough times that I just like if I allow a little bit of sugar in my diet, whether it be just like, I decided let's say, you know, yesterday I was moving around a lot, and I could totally afford to have that, you know, 300 calories of sour patch candy.

And I haven't had something like that in forever. And I have that. Something that can guarantee happen is that night all of a sudden I want ice cream or the next day all of a sudden I want a soda. Like it, my cravings changed. The minute I introduce it into into my diet, now I start to crave it. And it just, and it doesn't mean that I can't, it doesn't mean I can't get buff still or get shredded and still insert those things in the diet. It just makes it harder for me. It's like, now I have this other thing that I have to do. It's already hard enough to restrict

calories and stay in this calorie intake and exercise on a regular basis. Oh, now when I allow sugar to occasionally come in there, now I'm also battling this craving thing that I know you'll versus when I eliminate it and I stick to all whole foods and I don't have any yet the only sugar I'm getting is from from natural sources like fruit. Whole fruit. Yes. Not fruit juice. If I'm only getting there I don't battle these things and the moment that I allowed in there even if my calories are low and it's not gonna affect me and put fat on my body now I'm battling that craving. And so for me that's enough to coach clients when I'm teaching them hey let's if that's not gonna affect me and put fat on my body. Now I'm battling that craving again. And so for me, that's enough to coach clients

when I'm teaching them, hey, if that's not something you have to have in the diet, let's get rid of that shit. Yeah, for me, I mean, it's just a behavior thing. It's something that, you know, evolutionary, we've been hardwired to be rewarded. Like that signal is a massive, loud signal of reward. And it's like, you know, once you introduce that signal is a massive, loud signal of reward. And it's like, once you introduce that signal, it's just a natural response of like wanting

to introduce that back and like keep that into the routine because it's something that's just hardwired-wise. We're gonna be fighting that a lot, that response. And so it's a very strong signal. And regardless of this nuance talk that a lot of people get into this debate on whether or not it's bad for you or it's toxic or it leads to all these diseases, whatever all that stuff. Granted, calories are a big proponent of this in terms of having like it having more weight, you know, if you're over your calorie limit and having sugar in there, it's probably more, you know,

of a problem than, you know, if you're under calories and it's in there. But at the end of the day, behaviorally, like this is just something that you're just going to continually fight and it could, you know, like take over a majority of what you're consuming. The other thing it changes the way fruits and vegetables taste for me. That's the other thing I don't like about it. So if I allow, let's say I always kept my calories under my, you know, my maintenance. So I'm losing body fat, but every day I eat sour patch kids in there.

My apple and my vegetables taste different. They do not have the same taste, as if I were to have no added sugar into my diet and then I eat those things. So part of why I don't like it either was, I remember the first time that I cut sugar out for an extended period of time, and then actually bit into an apple,

or had some asparagus in my day. The food actually tastes richer to me when I'm not adding any sugar. If I'm letting sugar in the diet on a regular basis, it changes my palate. Yeah, the sweet, the perception of sweet is very powerful and it can definitely, you definitely build a tolerance to it, don't you?

And everybody experiences this again. If you eat lots of sugar, you'll find that sweet. In fact, artificial sweeteners are several hundred or thousands of times sweeter than sugar. And I've worked with enough clients who have a lot of artificial sweeteners and prefer the flavor of them to sugar because it's actually sweeter. I've actually had people tell me that when they drink

a soda with sugar, it doesn't taste as good as the diet coke. And I think it has to do with, my personal opinion is it has to do with that perception of sweetness. I mean, evolutionarily speaking, Justin, you know, sugar in its natural forms was probably pretty rare, okay? So finding lots of fruit, not that you actually planted in,

I'm talking about before agriculture, when for most of the time humans run Earth, pretty rare, that you'd walk around and find a apple growing or some berries. And by the way, the apples and berries and fruit that we have today has been modified and bred to be much higher in sugar. Apples were full of seeds that was very little meat.

Strawberries looked very different. Half-run. Yeah, and it weren't nearly as sweet. I mean carrots, not nearly as sweet. Like everything was not nearly as sweet. So it was one of those things that was, we just didn't get a lot of, I mean, honey maybe, but honey, you had to go kill, like,

battle a bunch of bees in order to get to it. And if you look at modern hunter gathers, it's a big deal to get honey. It's just not something you see quite common, but it's a very quick source of energy. So it makes sense that it would trigger these behaviors in us or these feelings that we're going to go seek it out because it's a very, you know, quick source of energy. So that's, that's for me. I see that it changes people's behaviors, but the studies do show that all the negative effects

that come from sugar if your calories are low and you're getting adequate protein and fat, not nearly as big of a difference. When your calories are high though, high sugar plus high calorie, it's problematic. That starts to look like it causes lots of problems. And the people I find that are most staunch about defending sugar are addicted to it.

That's where to go. It's like you have products that are trying to sell that have a lot. When I see, Lane always talks about this stuff, right? So he's, he defends sugar a lot because how many people have demonized it, right? Which I'm not pro that either, right? I'm not pro demonizing sugar either, but making people aware of its addictive properties or how it could change the cravings or change your palate, I think it's very important.

And the people that get behind them, like, yeah, fuck those guys. And then you click on those things and there's like videos and them doing sour patch kids. Yeah, that's some dead lifts. Like do you so funny? You know, our donuts every single day, it's like people want to, it's like the whole squatting thing that telling people not to squat. I hate that, I don don't like that messaging and I remember when we first met Lane

That was one of the things that we would challenge him a lot on is that it's not that I think he's wrong I actually he's right what he's saying is right But I also come from the place of training a lot of people regular people that are trying to create better behaviors in their life and Could you do it with having sugar added sugar and candy every once in a while? Absolutely. Is it gonna be more difficult?

Fuck yes, it will be. Yeah, usually the people eat a lot of sugar are not getting it from whole fruit. Are they? Yeah, they're getting it from other things. And I tell you what, it definitely feels different to eat 70 grams of processed sugar in candy or in a soda than having a starch, 70 grams of processed sugar in candy or in a soda

than having a, you know, starch, 70 grams of starchy carbohydrates. It feels different on the body. I think most people would agree with that. It gives you totally different feeling. Look, if you like our information, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our free guides. We have guides for fat loss and muscle building.

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