Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1678: Heel Raised Squats for Quad Development, Mike Mentzer’s Heavy Duty Training Review, the Most Essential Equipment for a Home Gym & More

Episode Date: November 5, 2021

In this episode, Sal, Adam & Justin discuss raised heel squats for quad development, Mike Mentzer’s heavy-duty training, the top 10 essentials for building a home gym, and the myths and facts on apple cider vinegar. The ketogenic diet, the benefits, and the drawbacks. (3:57) Mind Pump’s most fascinating personal training clients. (7:34) Justin’s joints now predict the weather. (19:26) The Mind Pump robot debate continues its slow burn. (21:56) Mind Pump speculates on the future of the Metaverse. (29:25) What’s the deal with ‘Poopy Pants Biden’? (34:08) Beware of fake news. (35:46) Can you theoretically ‘game’ a market? (37:33) Coca-Cola acquires BodyArmor. (46:01) Jewel is cool. (48:04) Marc Andreessen’s BIG flex. (49:43) #Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on the raised heel squats for quad development? (53:05) #Quah question #2 – What are your thoughts on Mike Mentzer’s heavy-duty training? (56:23) #Quah question #3 – What are the top 10 essentials for building a home gym? (1:04:15) #Quah question #4 - Myths and facts on apple cider vinegar? (1:08:30) Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Anywhere and the Fit Mom Bundle – Both 50% off! **Promo code “NOVEMBER50” at checkout**    Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP10” at checkout** Weighing The Pros And Cons Of A Ketogenic Diet – Mind Pump Blog The Keto Diet is Making People Fat – Mind Pump Blog Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Ex-Google Exec: Artificial Intelligence is God as a Child — And We Must Love It Meta: Facebook changes its company name - CNN Free Guy (2021) - IMDb Why 'Poopy Pants Biden' Memes Trended After POTUS' Meeting with Pope Francis Michael Myers Accused of Being Homophobic in New 'Halloween' Movie Zillow Seeks to Sell 7,000 Homes for $2.8 Billion After Flipping Halt Coca-Cola (KO) Nears Deal Valuing BodyArmor at $8 Billion - Bloomberg Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Path Water for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** #1724 - Jewel - The Joe Rogan Experience | Podcast on Spotify Marc Andreessen pays record $177 million for Malibu mansion - Los Angeles Times Sissy Squat – The forgotten quad building exercise of the pros – Mind Pump TV A New Study Confirms Mike Mentzer’s Once-a-Week Training Method for Building Mass Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump5” at checkout** Mind Pump Store Rubberbanditz Resistance Band Set Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode, we answered four fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episode was with an intro portion. This is where we talk about current events,

scientific studies, we talk about... Science! Fitness, we bring up some of our sponsors. Today's intro was 46 minutes long after that, we got to the question. So here's what went down in today's mind-pump episode. We opened up, I talk about the ketogenic diet, the benefits and the drawbacks.

Then we talked about some of our favorite and least favorite personal training clients from when we were trainers back in the day. Oh, memories. Justin predicts the weather because his ankle is getting swollen. I guess he's got that. It talks to me.

Weather predicting ankle. I suggested he use the Juve light on it. Now, Juve is the best product on the market for red light therapy. What's red light therapy? Well, it's very interesting. Scientific studies actually show that it improves your skin complexion, can speed up recovery.

And in some cases, even raised testosterone, I'm not making this up. Again, this is backed by studies. And there's a lot of copycats on the market, a lot of bad red light therapy products. Juve is the real deal. This is the only one that mine pump backs. So if you want to learn more, or if you would like to get your own,

head over to juve.com. That's j-o-o-v-v.com forward slash mine pump. And then if you sign up, or you buy yourself a product, use the code mine pump for $50 off your purchase. Then we brought up the robot AI debate again. Adam just keeps going deeper in that hole. Then we talked about the metaverse that they're talking,

I guess Zuckerberg is talking about that, gonna be ruling our world in the future. He is an alien. Then we talked about a little bit of the poopy pamp pants Biden rumors going around. We talked about Zillow. Fair one yet. Selling a lot of their houses for under market price.

Uh oh, is the market crashing? I don't know. Then Justin talked about jewel being on the Joe Rogan podcast. Jewel is cool. He had a crush on her back on the day. Then we talked about Mark Andreessen, who bought the most expensive house of all time in California for $177 million.

This is toilet made out of diamonds. Oh, yeah, I should hope so. I don't know. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one that we answered. This person wanna know our thoughts on the raised heel squat for quad development. The next question, this person wanted our opinion

on Mike Mencer's heavy duty style training. It's a workout style. The next question, this person want to know what our top 10 essentials are for building a home gym. By the way, during that question, we mentioned one of our sponsors that makes the best home gym equipment, PRX. If you want 5% off, head over to PRXperformance.com forward slash mind pump. And then the final question, this person would like one, it's the myths and facts on Apple cider vinegar.

Does it cure everything or is it just a bunch of hype? Also, all months long for the month of November, you can get maps anywhere half off requiring no gym equipment, just resistance bands and your body and you get a phenomenal workout or you can get the fit Mom bundle for half off, which includes maps anywhere, maps it, maps in a ball, and our intuitive nutrition guy. This is like seven months of structured, exercise programming if you follow the programs one

after another, huge savings savings. If you're interested, head over to November, excuse me, head over to maps fitness products.com and then use the code November 50. That's November 50 for that discount for half off maps anywhere or half off the fit mom bundle. So I started my my annual ketogenic diet. Oh, okay, what prompted that? You know, my tummy. Yeah, every time. You tell me. That's why it's the annual one. Tell me time. You know what, though, it's good.

You've been pushing the bulk for hot minute there, yeah? Do you try, but I can't, I can't push too hard because then my digestion tends to get thrown off. Although the digestive enzymes from one of our partners who is a mass enzymes helps a little bit. But anyway, nonetheless, I went keto, because that usually helps, and I do this like once or twice a year.

This is why I think, and we've talked about this on the show, it's a good idea for people to, once you're good and you've got kind of a handle on your nutrition somewhat, it's probably a good idea to go through these different kinds of diets, not the crazy ones, but the ones that actually have, maybe some application, just to see how your body feels

and reacts and how your talent changes. That's ice coach clients. I used to love to encourage them into just trying out different diets and just get them comfortable with running through a diet and then not becoming attached or married to the diet itself, but then starting to unpack the things in the diet that made you feel good. In other words, so you run keto and you go cut out most of your carbohydrates and then instead of being like,

oh my god, keto lost me 15 pounds. It's an amazing diet going like, okay, what are some of the things we notice when we cut carbohydrates off? What were your energies like? What was your workout? So like, did you know what's inflammation? Did you know cravings? Did you know sleep? Like, it started to help them attach the elimination of carbohydrates or specific carbohydrates in this case, and how your body felt. And then, okay, now let's go to a vegan diet for a while.

Oh, let's go. And then slowly move them through these different diets while also trying to coach them on the things that are making them feel. Yeah, what does that look like though? Like, so is it all sardines and butter? Yeah. What is this diet?

I guess it's why I didn't get to do that. It's so hard to structure that specific diet. That's a lot of mac and avocato. It's a lot of fatty meat, a lot of avocado. Yeah, avocado. All of, that's all, all of it. I ate a lot of, we're very well cook vegetables to help with digestion in the fiber,

butter, bacon, that kind of stuff. But you know, it's funny for me, what I, here's the pluses, right? I do notice a little less inflammation, and I also notice I don't get a sore from my workouts, which is kind of strange. And I always notice this every time, I'll work out hard and not get a sore.

I do feel mentally sharper when I do it every single time. Here's the drawback, right? Muscles not as full, so I don't get the pump or feel as full and I lose a little bit of strength. I can tell when I work out I lose some strength. Very noticeable. Yeah, yeah. Just in case I hear you weak. I did a video. You're weak, you're the normal one. He's always good at addition compliments. I gotta like offset it. You know, compliments and supplements. Yeah, we talked about it. I should have known.

He was, I did a video, or I was doing something, I was actually thanking Brooke. She sent us over a nice book and some spices on my story and plugging her. And I wasn't paying attention, but it was during the style working out. And so when I go back and hear the,

I got a bunch of DMs. I didn't even tell you this. But is that sound the background? And I'm like, what? And I go back and listen to you. You hear that in the background. I'm over. Thanks, bro.

Shout out. This is awesome real a tour, but I'm doing that. And he was so taking a shit in the background. That sounds so happy, but he's in the back. Oh, you know what it is? It's because I put my headphones on, and so I hear nothing else, but you guys have no music out here. So it's a quiet, so bust out.

Did you guys see that video I posted with the guy in the gym, making noises? Oh, the Holy Spirit guy or what? No, no, the one before that? Oh, no. Yeah, so this guy, we'll have to throw it up, but I was seriously dying for a couple of days. I couldn't help it.

So this guy was spotting him doing a bench press and he started mowing it like, I was like, oh, I know, I know. I know. That was sick. That was like the ultimate troll genius. Well, I've seen the opposite.

There's a video that went viral of a, like this really petite girl. She's probably, I don't know, 115 pounds tops and she's squatting like, you know, like 35s on each side and every wrap. She does that like the whole gym. She's all the guys turn around and watch it. Have you guys ever had a client that mow? Yes. What me too? We talked about this story. Do we have a time ago? I had a yes. Tina Turner client. She looks spot on to Tina Turner. She came in the makeup the heels the purple outfit the hair And I trained this lady and what's love got to do with it and she come out in like the 80s, you know Spandex pants and the the the what are this the leg the leg warmers? Oh everything

I mean peer it like straight out of the 80s and she would come in and I'd train her and we would do the Hacksquat and she would do the most sexual modes every rep. Every rep. No matter how much weight I'm talking for everybody. Oh, dude, all the guys stop, put their weights down. They would just watch us work out. They're like a round of applause. I had one of my first clients. This, I was 18 years old. Yeah, this is an early one for me too. Yeah, so I'm already like, first of all, I'm 18, so I'm a kid. I'm also new and I'm trying to do a good job and I'm really taking this job seriously

and this woman with probably the biggest boobs I've ever seen in my life, hires me. Now she turned out to be an ex porn star. This is true story. So she, but she was older by this point. So she was a porn star from the season. She had an ex porn star moaning like this. I sw swear to God. I swear on everything. This is true 100% What was her name Ashley winners?

This her that was a poor name. You remember her poor name. Of course I remember dog. Of course I remember I'm not a bad guy. I mean this is like this is your own time. This is the best thing you could ever Google of all the Googles I asked this is the best one Hey, you know, it's she's hard to find but because she didn't I know the titles of her her movie I know but I can't say it on the show that's all bad here This remember she was from the late she did she did these movies in the late 80s So when I was you had me on the different let's see a difference between late 80s porn to know what's the Well, she didn't know she's I don't apparently in that yeah, I don't know and that area was really in that era

I guess it was a big deal to have ridiculously large. Anyway, so she hires me. And while we're doing exercises, that's exactly what she'd do. She'd go, oh. Oh. And then she'd say my name. Oh, Sal.

Well, she was, she knew. She knew. And what point? Okay, what point? I didn't know you were just looking around. No, no, no, no. And what point training her did you find this out? Like, how long did you train her before

you found out she was a porn star? Or did that come out early? That came out relatively early, because you knew. Yeah, she was not, no, she's playing into it. Well, so here's what it was. So she hires me. She's making these noises.

I'm intimidated. I'm 18 year old kid. Like, I'm like, not, I'm like intimidated by it. And I'm trying to do a good job and other people are looking at me. So I'm literally pretending like it's not happening. And I'm literally just like kind of have to do. Yeah, I'm like four more reps, you know,

make sure your knees are straight or you know, fix your back or whatever, wash your legs like, ah, you know, doing this thing, right? Yeah. So as I'm training her and I only train her for like a couple months and then she disappeared. I you know, you talk to your clients, so what do you do?

She's like, oh, I own a entertainment agency. I'm like, entertainment agency, like, what's that? She owned a company with strippers. That's what I'm gonna say about us for now on Pylasses. I own an entertainment. Yeah. That's what.

That's easier to describe than what we actually do. I don't know what to say anyways. Do you guys have this problem? Not to cut your story off, but. Well, we do. Yeah, all the time. Yeah, like every time I meet somebody new, I think I have this problem? Not to cut your story off, but. What do you do? Yeah, all the time. Every time I meet somebody new,

I think I say something different every time. Yeah. I don't think I've been consistent for. I spend a so much for near. You know, I like this better. Well, she's able to do that. Entertainment company? Yeah, I have an entertainment company.

That's still, yeah. I say fitness media. That's what I say. It's very vague. But my kids will say influencer. I'm like, you say that again, your brown dirty forever. Do they really call you that? They just don't, they don't really understand.

For them, it's, you're on YouTube, you know? So you're an influencer. Yeah, so you're all that. And they don't get the whole, I'm like, no, it's fitness media. It was a different thing. No, I told you guys, I had a client that, her, it was like Dr. jackal mr. Hyde like she

Was a massage therapist was the most chill like mild person you've ever met in like when she got into the weight room Like and she wanted to go in where all the guys were like you know slam and weights and you aggressive And she would just throw it right back out of them just and she would just throw it right back at him just. Ah! Really? Ah! Ah! And I didn't know what to do,

because I knew she was put on a show and all the guys in there were just like, ah, is she pumpkin me? You know, she'd be like looking right at him and everything? Yeah, I know. I know, I think I told you guys about that. I had an older client that I trained that just, she just, she farted.

Oh yeah. Almost every rep. Yeah, she farted. And she'd laugh about it and stuff. I'm that just she just she farted. Oh yeah, like almost every night. Yeah, she laughed about it and stuff. I'm like, all right, keep going. We're working out. I wish, you know, for anyone, I know we have a lot of listeners that are either new trainers or just like thinking about getting started. If I could go back and do something over again that I wish I would have done, I wish I would have journaled. So if you're listening right now, and you're relatively new, and you're a trainer, it's true.

You journal, like there's just, you meet, and for lots of reasons, right? Like I, there's, I mean, I got tons of wisdom passed down to me through brilliant client, clients, you know, funny stories like you're talking about right now. Like I just think that you meet so many people in this profession that I wish I could go back and like read all these sorts. I've forgotten more than I can remember now.

Do you have like early clients that you maybe only train, because I'm at early days as a trainer, clients would stay with me for six months, eight months, maybe a year, which is still considered a long time in big box gyms. It was later on when I got good enough to work, clients would stay with me for seven, eight, nine, 10 years, right?

But in the early days, it was much shorter, but are there any clients that you remember early on that you still remember them? And you'd love to like, run into them again. I have a couple that I just, I have a pretty, Tom, he was one of the big ones for me. He was one of the main clients that really helped me kind of transition from 24-hour fitness to on my own and getting started in that whole business.

Do you still in contact with her? I haven't talked to them in a long time, I need to actually reach out. I had a client Wendy, I'm not gonna say her last name just in case, but I trained her early on, great client, she was training to get for her wedding and then trained a little bit afterwards and I lost contact with her. Yeah. I've actually remained in contact with quite a few, even today. You didn't have any clients, that's what.

Yeah. That've actually remained in contact with with quite a few. Even today. I had clients as well. I actually had probably the least amount of clients out of the three of us. When you think of total. Yeah, total number because you got to remember I was, we were talking to like all of our clients. Well, yeah, I mean, if you count that by proxy, right? I trained tons of people. If you go, if you count all the trainers who worked on these, you know, people in management. Yeah, I was, I remember I was only two years as a trainer before I moved into management. And then as a manager, you only manage, or you only train so many like two clients or so.

Yeah, it depends on what point in my career but never more than 10, you know, two to 10, two to 10. So for, maybe it'd be pretty close because I was only a trainer for four months then I was a fitness manager for, I don't know, eight months, and then I became a general manager. And so I didn't train anybody until I opened my studio, and then I trained clients.

So I had so many classes. Yeah, you probably trained the most. I probably, yeah. Because you were a trainer, just a trainer long, longer than the two of us for sure. Yeah, and my whole livelihood was like, how many I could get or like keep servicing. And obviously, you know, I had a few, I probably like, I wanna say eight, like lifers that have been with me since the very beginning

never left, and then it was, that was a hard kind of, you know, conversation once we started doing this, but yeah, I was always a constant, like, how do I market myself? Like, how do I get in front of people? And technically, we're probably the better trainer of the three of us. Yeah, I mean, I have a problem with that.

Yeah. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. It's with his wife, Dells, and his wife. You know what? He has a hundred best honey, you know what I mean? Come on, I'm going to bet it with those two assholes.

You know what? I have a positive reinforcement. Two of my most, I guess, the impactful success stories were two people who became trainers themselves full time. So they hired me. That's awesome. And they had no interest in, they were not fitness fanatics, they just wanted to work out like everybody else and then they ended up becoming one was a kid.

One was a kid that actually started working with me because he was insecure in school and his parents hired him, hired me to train him. And he built so much confidence. He became a trainer, later on became a manager, did his own thing. And then another one was when I opened my studio, her name was Nicole, she was the first client that hired me, and then later on became a trainer

in my facility and then, you know, doing it on her own now. Those two always stand out. Because that's what became- I had a client that was actually, I got her in the best shape of her life. She was a post camp breast cancer. Got her in the best shape of her life at 50. Convince her to do bikini show.

Totally something she never would have done. Did the bikini show? After that, told her that she has what it takes to be a trainer, got her to get certified. She got certified later on, her and I went into business together. So the boot camp business that I've talked about on the show before, we actually were partners in that, in that the original business that I started,

did that for a couple of years with her. That's great. Speaking of partnerships, and you know, people ask, sometimes ask business questions and say, you know, how do you find the right partner in business? It's, I think you should pick your partner like you pick your spouse. That's literally like how important it is that you pick the right partner. It is a relationship the other day because you can be free. I don't know if it didn't work out.

Obviously, you're not working with her anymore, but I know for me, I've had partners before. I've had a lot of quite a few partners actually. I've had quite a few partners. I'd say 50, 50 on having a relationship still with him after it ended. So, half of them bad. That's true. Half of them bad. The other half just didn't, wasn't the right time.

Like, for example, I was in business with a trainer that Justin knows. We worked with Ronnie. We were at a place where he wanted to go in the direction of franchising. And I did not want to do a franchise. So I'd rather build it myself and we agreed to basically disagree on that and say okay well you go off and go do your franchise thing I'll continue doing building what I want to build and no hard feelings it was just we split in a different way so we'd been still friends I can start off but then I've had other ones where you know there's a sour taste in my mouth about how it ended and stuff

I think you can almost make the case that it's harder than marriage. It's just because there's money involved and the failure. Like it's our, okay, businesses fail more than marriages do. That's true. Okay, so business, so you're getting into a relationship that has a much higher chance of failure in the first place. And then I think it carries all the same important things, the qualities as far as having to be able to, the synergy, right?

So if you have to have that type of synergy, you have to want to make it work too, when you don't like that person, and you're like, it's like, I'm not married to you, so I can always bounce. Right. So yeah, I would make the case that it's. We don't have sex.

I mean, yeah, we're kind of, and that's like, you know, make-up sex saves lots of marriages. You know what I'm saying? So we can't, we can't do that business. How do business is that? Make-up sex saves lots of marriages. You don't say that. We can't do that business. How do we risk that? It's bad. It's bad for a while for us. It's just like you.

Adam calls a meeting, hey guys. It's been a rough week. I know it's been a lot of yelling. He starts saying close off. This has worked in my relationship. I just have a proposition for you guys. Let's end up seeing what happened. Dude, have you guys acquired this new superpower of when you get old?

What is it? Like, so my joints can predict the weather. Oh, you got one of those though. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude, my ankle has just been talking to me. As of late, and every time it talks to me, no, hey, we got rain. The rain's coming.

Is that why I saw you walking funny? Yeah, I was just, yeah, marching. I know, I was trying to get some response from my ankle, and so I'll just stop in my foot, and trying to get things to grab on again and get some traction. Be sure you're an old washing machine. If you hit it, it'll start working.

I can't start it now. Do I have to wear new shoes? I'm trying to figure this out, because I do mobility, I do all the things. Besides all that, put the jube light on it. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, great. I always, again, this is another one of those things

where it's there, and I got to figure out a way to consistently put it in front of it. For the joint pain? Yeah, dude. What's the theory on that? Of why? Oh, this is inflammation. And so because it, okay, so the way that some

of the red light rays work, they actually penetrate pretty deep. So if it's a joint that's like the ankle, right? There's thin skin, there's not a lot of fat. I know he's got cancels, but they're pretty lean. I can't wait to find the jaw. There it is. There it is. I'mient. I can't wait to find the gem. There it is. That's the best thing. That was really nice.

But the red light will go far enough to get the mitochondria to produce more ATP and to reduce some. So I did it on my, I don't, I think this one's called golfer's albore, one that's on the inside. It actually helped. Now I combined it with stretching and everything else, but it sped up the process. And I would just put the light on it every single day. Oh, interesting.

I haven't thought to use it like that. Well, that's how the NFL using them that way for recovery. Yeah, but I think it more like ligament though, like a torn ligament and the recovery of that because it speeds up the regeneration in the mitochondria. So that makes sense to me. But when you refer to it for like a joint issue,

that's where I was kind of lost on the angle you're going, but I get it for the inflammatory. Yeah, so I've gotten DMs from people who use it for neck pain in particular, so they'll put it on their neck. Interesting. And they'll notice that it, you know, it helps. The biggest, most profound change. It's magical, dude. I don't even know how you can explain the science of it.

The skin part is pretty remarkable. When Jessica uses it regularly, it's actually profound. Like within a couple weeks, it looks very different. You just have to use it regularly, that's the only thing. You can't do it like once. Yeah, and then speaking of DMs, I have a DM that I'd like to read to you both right now. I can't explain.

I can explain. I just, you know, you just got me to go. Oh, I'm gonna do that too. Adam, you're the best host. Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't share the only hint. There's too many of those who need to share on the podcast. Come on. No, the reason why I'm going to share this one,

because this is the second AI kid that's going through school for artificial intelligence. This guy has his masters in that. Because there's's students that can't really figure it. Hey, hey, Kate, so shout out to Stephen Williams. He is the second student that has reached out to me to shit on your theory and argue. The ratio is what two to five. Oh, yeah, but you get some regular house like kid who's just DMing you like plastic robot arms. Be like, oh yeah, show Adam this. Bro, Elon Musk. I've got the students that are actually going through artificial intelligence right now.

Listen, I love the podcast. I've enjoyed you and Sal disagreeing about the robot height recently. I'm currently studying artificial intelligence as a master student. Thought you may be interested to know that we are a lot further away from intelligent robots than you would think. In fact, I'm not convinced we can see functional robots

within our lifetime. Artificial intelligence is an excellent at solving very specific problems, but lacks common sense or versatility. It would take far too long a message to fully explain why. However, you might want to tell Sal to calm down with his hype. A few examples of the limitations. Imagine you were out with your robot and you dropped your wallet. Somebody asked you if you lost your wallet and you tapped your pocket to check, your robot would not have a clue why you tapped your wallet. There's a big issue check, your robot would not have a clue why you tapped your wallet.

There's a big issue as it means without implicit instruction, instructions, robots or AI systems are unable to make decisions from a very basic common sense. This is very similar to what the other student was talking about if he had a scratch on a plate. Let's go back to our pre-qualifiers. Thank you. And you knew he would do this. He just changed the context.

Yes, he just changed the context. So it has to be all the wash Now it's be put in the dishwasher. That's it. Okay. I'm not talking about so that's where I'm Ambing it though. Yeah, but yeah, no, it's not that's the problem because it won't know the different That's what the other student was talking about it won't really difference between a scratch or dirt on the plate You'll keep trying to keep it clean or unless you program that in right that that takes a lot of Programming which is a couple year and and all the variables you've got. You have dirt and run this way.

You can't program it. It's not going to be a robot that's self-aware, singularity style. It's going to clean a dish like your dishwasher will. So that means one out of every 50. The truth is, that's something as, as, as what you guys think is dumb and simple as doing the dishes requires more common sense than actually landing on the moon.

That is more technical and precise than can be programmed where something like washing a dish knowing if it's dirty is that food is that paint that takes common sense which the AI lacks there and your guys' argument has been my argument that people keep trying to shinde you guys bullshit these are just random people the two people that I've had that have messaged me these long old message we run this both are in school for artificial intelligence. But they're students. It's all confusing.

Yeah, like we do at school. I wish there was a little emoji or something of like, add on like digging. You need digging. You know, you are digging. When the robot is washing dishes, it's a basic robot that washes your dishes and puts it away before commercial flights to the moon are happening,

we are gonna take all your argument. The pre-qualifiers for that is they're really taking a common person like you would take a flight to Europe. It's gonna be a montage video of all these things that you've said, with music in the background to be so great. I don't know, I like it. It's good.

Well, according to my artificial intelligence students that are going through this stuff, it might not have an entire lifetime for your argument. So I don't know if mine's gonna happen either. So we'll never have this montage going on. Hey, we'll continue with our grandkids. Yeah. Yeah.

Listen, make sure I win the bet. Good. Yeah. My girl. Yeah. I just, I don't, I think that it's, it's simple as it may seem. It's a lot more complex because of the common sense. That's every that's all that's all AI stuff. Yeah. And that's like the we haven't seen them take over like on any industry yet. Speaking of AI. So I read this very fascinating

article. There's these I can't remember who it was, but it was a pretty high ranking scientist who wrote this kind of letter warning companies and saying, look, we're gonna get to the point where AI algorithms are gonna be able to hack humans. Okay, so hear me out, right? They're gonna be able to read, they're gonna know all the decisions you make online. They're gonna know how your body, you don. They're gonna know how you don't like,

you're sweating, you're hot. How your body physically reacts, things that you're not even aware of, to things that you see, articles that you read, things that you do, it'll know how to trigger certain emotions in you, it'll know you better than you. So I'm on this whole time, that's you, a camera, it's been looking at you.

Right, so it's gonna hack you so well that it's gonna manipulate you, and you're totally gonna deny that you're hack you so well that it's gonna manipulate you and you're totally gonna deny that you're being manipulated or that it's even having... It looks like... Give me an example of what you're saying, right? Okay, so an example would be this, right?

So, and this is kind of a silly example, but it's like all your tells. Well, so it's like this, right? Hyper-palatable food, right? We've engineered food to be so hyper-palatable that obesity is now so common that a majority of people are obese. Even though we know we're killing ourselves because what we've done with this food is we've

essentially hacked our systems and people can't help themselves or it's like drugs, right? Drugs can be so appealing that it just, you know, your willpower and discipline doesn't necessarily help. So what are you saying that there'll be like an alert? So like my, this AI will be able to go like, Adam, you're overeating, you're overeating. And you know, and give me an warning that. No, AI will be able to read and trigger you so effectively

through many different means that it will be able to hack you to the point where it'll get you to do what it will want to do. Yeah, it'll make you, I'm still looking for the example. What, give me an example of what you're saying. Let's say I want you to buy a product or a political party wants you to be upset. Okay. So how would it go about doing that?

It knows what you like, what triggers the things that you read, the image you're something free to look at. Things that cause your pulse to speed up or slow down, your pupils, it knows how the human brain works. So it'll put all these things together so perfectly that you'll be manipulated. So you'll read an article and it's a combination of things. Here's something, see something, see a different color.

It'll hack your systems to the point where you're gonna be like, man, I'm just pissed. We need to do this. Not realizing that there was AI. Yeah, the only thing I can think of is if you're on social media and it presents a series of articles, videos, pictures that put you in a certain state of mind that makes you 80% more likely to buy a certain thing.

Right. That's the only thing I can see it on. Right. I don't see any other thing. But think of it to the next level. Because it'll always be consumer driven. Yeah, so think of it to the next level. Right, so think of it this way. And so they're's good because it'll always be consumer driven. Yeah, so think of it to the next level, right?

So think of it this way. So they're pretty good at it, right? So they know that they can, if you're on social media often, they could probably get you to move in a direction, let's say 70% of time, take that to the next level. Maybe it's a song that they could throw on top of it, and it's the color and it's the way that it's presented and the speed that it's presented and the article that follows it up by hacking into your emotions and your physical body.

I mean, we're kinda already doing that. You're right. We advertise. It's been a grand experiment. Yeah, yeah, social media is in a big part of that. This guy saying that AI will get so good at it that we're gonna literally get hacked. That we'll totally get hacked.

So which one of you guys Looked more into I've figured the out of the three of us It would be more likely you to the me looked more into the Facebook made up meta thing. Oh, yeah I read a bunch of so what is it? What is it like what we've talked about or speculated as far as like this living in this virtual word the unplugged plug thing I've been saying. Yeah, so like gonna be like that Yeah, so the example was that we spend, like even now today, we probably spend, 30 or 40% of our time,

interacting with humans online, whereas before it was never, right? You never interacted with humans digitally, it was always in person, over the phone maybe, and that's about it. Now it's like 40% of time, and it's getting the point where the younger generations are more concerned about their appearance.

Right, their avatar, that this mold and make unique in terms of how they're gonna personalize. Yeah, so the metaverse essentially will be, where you'll do everything that way. And almost all your interactions with other people will be online, whether you're going to the gym and it's virtual and where you're going to the store and you're picking out items, you're talking with people and so that avatar, that whole situation is going to be how you spend

most of your time and that's what they're essentially talking about. So I know. That's going to be weird. Well, and yeah, because they've been speculating on what they're going to do because when they acquired Oculus a long time ago, I was paying attention and I'm like, I wonder how they're gonna use this for games or like they're gonna throw this in the platform somehow but you know, I'm sure he's using that platform now to kind of create this whole virtual way of conducting business and you know it being its own like Commerce it's only gonna be weird for us old funny duties everybody else They're already doing it. Yeah, like your kids are already getting closer

and closer to that, right? So it's not going to be that weird for them. Well, it actually by this, dude. Like I've said this before, but like what, you know, sort of the Sims and World of Warcraft and all this kind of stuff, like I swear to God, it's already like now. Like the reality is becoming what that was. You know, in terms of them being able to create themselves,

tell it like have everybody, you know, call them whatever they want. Like it's just you just make up, you know, your character. Well, like you look at my kids, right? My son's 16. And now he's starting to go out and meet up with friends. But still, if you add up the time that he spends with friends in person versus the time that he spends

with friends online, it the time that he spends with friends online. It's still mostly online if you compare the two, the two. And that's quite common. I was talking to him the other day about cars. And I was like, hey, what kind of cars are you, he's a 16 year old boy, what kind of cars you and your friends into? He's like, we kind of don't really don't care. And you look this up and you see that, and this is a point to this, you see that kids are getting their a point to this, you see that kids are getting their driver's licenses later and later really don't have interest in that because it doesn't mean the same thing is when we were kids getting your license and

having a car meant you could be with your friends. Yeah, I mean, access. Yes and no, right? Like, I think more what plays a bigger factor in that is that owning a car is expensive, car payment, gas, insurance, using an Uber five times in a week is not expensive and it still allows you the same freedom. 15 to 16 rolls ain't using Uber. You have to be 18. What? Yeah, you can't call a Uber if you're 16.

You can't call a Uber, yeah. Who told you that? You can't. Doug, look, thanks. Sounds might be right. Your daughter doesn't use Uber? No. Yeah, you can't use Uber Yeah, look thanks sound might be right. Yeah, you're your your daughter doesn't use Uber No, yeah, you can't use Uber unless you're 18 What? Yeah, I have never even heard that

No, no, I'm never gonna open a count with a credit card on it. It has to be present But if an adult to interuse it. Yeah, I have never heard that before. Yeah, is that true? Yeah, anyone under age of 18 Yeah, they will not pick up. No, wow. Yeah, it's too much of a liability. Yeah, it's a liability, forever. Here's the deal though. Even if they could, they're online, they're playing games with each other and their headsets.

They're talking, it's all virtual and getting a car is like not that big of a deal or getting your license is not big of a deal because, oh, I hang out with my friends at night when we put my headset on and we talk to each other and I see his image or you know, and this is just how I don't think It'll be that big of a leap though too for them to be plugged in completely. Yeah, I know it'll look very appealing to them Because I it's gonna be cool for them where us will be like dude You're just you're getting more sucked into that. So I know right. I know I watch that movie of minis me the I just watched free guy finally. I was good.

What a what a smart movie. Yeah, very, very intelligent. Yeah, really fun, funny, smartly, you know, intelligently made. I liked that. I thought it was it was a cool. Yeah, I watched it with my daughter. She thought it was a new shirt guy. I like the the jacked version of him. Hell, I'll juice the juice to the gills. I know. It's pretty funny. Anyways, uh, so what's this rumor that I heard? Have you guys heard about it? So President Biden went

to visit the Pope at the Vatican. Oh, guy, is this real? Did he really shit his pants? That's the rumor, dude. He's getting trolled right now. Nobody really shit his pants. Come on. Listen, who knows? It's been getting worse though. His speeches have been getting worse and worse. It just seems like he's I Believeable, you know, I hate talking about that type of stuff. He's early stages of the I know he there like you're no better than the people who were just three years ago that hung on everything that Trump did Well, did you talk about his policies and the shit he's not doing like is the man. Shitting you watch a shitting his pants? Like that's all. Well, no, dementia's legit. Look here's a deal. If you watch the guy you watch the guy he's got early stages, especially if you knew him before he's been a politics for so long. Doesn't matter. He's not making any decisions

anyways. Yeah. Is that making any of the decisions that they never are? You know what I'm saying? It's there's a bunch of people they're pulling strings that are doing stuff. So that's true. I don't like getting all that's identity politics. You know that better. Well, no, that's not a dead. That's literally saying your your commander in chief might not be a sound like capable. Did you see him at the climate change meeting or talks or whatever?

And he's like sitting there and he's just falling asleep while he's while while he's listening. I can't consume anymore. I can't I can't consume any more. He's the president now. So I'm rooting for him to be better as much as I possibly can. It's sad, but it's like, dude,

that stuff sucks so much energy from you. And I've seen so many of my family members and close friends in the last three to four years. Like I've never seen so much division over the political climate. Ever. Never speaking of division, did you hear about, so Michael Myers from Halloween?

He has. No, I have one. So, Chris Delia did a little spoof on this. You haven't seen this yet? There were some people that were saying that, there was articles written about it, homophobic, because he killed the gay couple, and the news is how Halloween.

And the last one, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he kills everybody. I know. In the last one, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He kills everybody. That's the funny part. That's the funny part. Yeah. If anything, he's not like,

he's being inclusive now. Come on, what's up? Yeah, exactly. Everybody's on the chop. It cracks me up that people get up. Okay, now he's a, he's like, he kills people. Yeah, but here's the way he does. Here's the challenge, okay?

So I, right away, my other side of my brain goes, okay, this is great marketing. So if you are the makers of Halloween, okay? And you have hopefully a blockbuster film going out. Yeah, and we know that this goes viral, faster than anything to make this stupid fake outrage stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if it's them who leaked the story to start with.

Well, or, or it's five people on Twitter. Yeah, exactly. And we get to share, if it's them who leaked the story to start with or or it's five people on Twitter Yeah, I'm gonna share right what are the other you know, I'm saying like either one they staged the story themselves So people just start talking about how ridiculous the other point. That's always like they don't want this to and it's like who's they Yeah, and then you go back and it's it's literally like a group and you don't even know if they're foreign actors or they're even live here That's why I'm so careful not to jump on something anything like that. That's like get you your blood boiling or get all you like emotional thoughts like you know what? Like, yeah, do you don't be fooled if it's the actual people that you that you

think you're supporting by fighting over that actually put out that negative news. It's like talking about it. It's like the protest that happened at Netflix over Chappelle. It was like a dozen people. Yeah, that right. Right. There was like a dozen people there, so it really wasn't that big of a deal.

But it made so much news. Yeah. Then it makes you think that it's a really big deal. You know, let's speak in a, you have to be that way with like everything now. It's crazy. You sent over an article this morning. Yesterday was it screwed up with Disney?

I'll admit that one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They did not buy porn. They did not buy porn. Hey, real quick. You said over buy porn. Hey, real quick. You said over about that. Well, real quick, Adam, because he said Disney,

did you see that they shut down in Shanghai and quarantined like 34,000 people because of one COVID case? You guys see this? What? So Disneyland and China and Shanghai, there was one COVID case, 34,000 people quarantined. They have to stay in their hotel rooms for two weeks

for one case of COVID. Wow. Crazy, right? That's a lot over one thing. That's pretty insane. Anyway, so I wanna hear what you said about that. No, no, no, so I wanted you first to share, because when I read a lot of stuff right now

related to real estate and the market and what's going on, and I do my best to actually following people that are on both sides. People that think that the sky is gonna fall on us anytime soon or the bottom's gonna fall out. And then the other people that think that trees will grow to the sky. Right, so I do both, so I can get kind of a balance.

And I saw you sent over an article that's more than I had already read, like two days before. In fact, I sent it to Doug on, was it Friday night? I sent that to you? Friday or Saturday night when I sent you that article about the Zill I had already read, like two days before, in fact, I sent it to Doug on, was it Friday night? I sent that to you? Friday or Saturday night when I sent you that article about the Zillow. Oh yeah, I saw that. So I had sent it over to Doug already,

and Doug was like, you can see, like, oh my God, or what, I was like, calm down. I was like, no, you know what's interesting about that. So basically what it says is that Zillow is, they had this operation where they were buying properties and then flipping them at a... Well, the headline says, Zillow sells off 93% of its properties for a 5 to 15%

lost in them. So it makes you think, oh my God, the market's crashing. Yes. But really what it is is that they were testing out this algorithm that could find the best houses to buy and flip and they, they, so what it went into it hard and apparently the algorithm didn't work. Well, so what it is is that, okay,

so Zillow is one of the largest home buyers in the United States. So they are buying homes like in the hundreds. So imagine, I mean, you guys know what it takes just to sign the deal for one house, the process, the headaches, all those things you have to go through. Imagine doing that on a scale of hundreds, like the amount of systems that you would need

in place just to be able to do that. Well, one of the things is they had software that would predict where this, based off of where the housing market was, where it's going. And so they needed to, and because it's so competitive right now, which we've dealt with this before, losing all these deals, they need to, they need to get past all that bullshit. And so they knew, oh, we could over bid on all this, and it's okay, get it now, saved three to four weeks. So on haggling back and forth, losing possible deals,

we know we'll make it up when we put $20,000 in construction, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever, right? Well, what ends up happening is that they were so aggressive on all those deals that they won all their deals and instantly get flooded with two 300 properties that they didn't necessarily all want, all at overpriced on a market that's kind of starting to slow down

to flatten a little bit. And so they're selling off a bunch of these and they're selling off as a loss. So you have some of the people I think the sky is following going like, oh my God, Zillow, one of the biggest real estate buyers is selling off hundreds of homes. They're actually selling them off for a loss.

They see the riding on the wall that the crash is coming and they're willing to take them. That's an indication of the risk to come. But the truth is there were billions of dollars and losing a few hundred thousand dollars is a speed bump for them too. Apparently, this is something that they've had in place since 2018. And what I read was that they have this algorithm that they put together that was supposed to, you know, according to them, accurately predict the best house and the price they could pay

and how much they could make. So essentially, they were trying to hack real estate investment, right? But it didn't pan out. Yeah. What it didn't pan out was they actually, they, they won all the offers because they went so it, the algorithm was so aggressive and they started overbiting. And what was happening in this run right now is you've had people, you know, a lot of these people are putting their houses up.

And this is what we kind of have seen right now in the last, like if you pay attention to real estate in the last six months or so, is there's been this kind of what people think are flattening or we're starting to see the go down. And a lot of that's not. Like every realtor know all the states that I talk to people, they're like, all it is is that everybody was making so much money in the last two years that you started getting people,

they put their house up like, well, my house is only worth 1.5, but let's start up there for 1.7, see what happens. So everyone started just way overpricing their houses and then you have a computer that's just supposed to read and predict all the numbers that it's seeing and then it goes Oh, let's over bit all that and so they got stuck with all these homes that they way overpaid in a short time So this reminds me of how forever people have been trying to put together an algorithm that predicts the stock market because if you can if you can find an actual formula that will predict

You know investments that way. You're the sky's the limit. You're a biff from back to the front. They're an extraordinary amount. The problem with that is that both those markets are dependent on people's emotions. Correct. And try to predict that. That's mask.

It's impossible. Good luck. Yeah, you can be great. And you know, both stocks and real estate, you can be very calculated to minimize your risk. But lots of things don't make sense. But yeah, a lot of times times it just doesn't make sense. Like even like something like this, that's why I wanted to talk about the Zillow thing

because that Zillow thing could actually trigger a bunch of people to get scared. Forget that it's based in any real logic of what's really happening in the market, but it's enough for people to go like, oh my God, biggest people, they see it's happening and then oh, and everyone's pumps the brakes, but a lot of people at one time pumping their brakes

could cause the dip Now there are ways that you could theoretically game a market like zillow's got enough purchasing power to where they could go into a market and Make make everybody think that the market's going up and then flip their houses, but that would be illegal Right you've seen that in the stock well forever. We've seen that in stock market with so I think they are I think they actually already do that and get away with it a little bit You'll see like and I think Zillow and I read Finn or some of these that they at both are like this where they might own 70 of the 200 homes in a in a small Kind of rural area and so easily they can manipulate the rents and the housing and I don't know how much of it is technically illegal

That's I'm gonna say how legal is that? Yeah, I mean, you would think it would be illegal, but I also don't know how they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, pretend your Zilla are redfin, and out of the 500, you control 200 of those homes, which they have the power to do something like that. And then what's to stop them from inching up on all 200 of the houses, $100 of rent on all of them, and unless you're in a state that has rent control, they could legally do that, and that's happened. So that's happening, I think, with both redfin and Zilla, in some of these areas where they kind of dominate a neighborhood. That's really interesting. I know. Yeah. All right,

so I want to bring something to you Adam because I thought it was absolutely heresy. So previous episode I had on YouTube I had asked people to try to guess what your terrible idea was. Okay. Which I'm not going to reveal because you drive the brain. Because I do is so bad that I can't even say it. Do you people get a sush foe moe about this forever? But you know what's funny Because I do not even say it. Do people get such phone moments? But, but you know what's funny? I read the comments and the majority of the bad ideas that they thought were, one of them was, Adam wanted you guys to get to smoke weed

or drink alcohol before the podcast. Like we've done that. Do they forget? Okay, this is how I know we have a lot of new listeners on YouTube because that's what we did for the first year at least There was no convincing that Button just it was on air. It wasn't even before the podcast would be on air when we do it and you can hear it in the podcast By the way, but I was reading those comments and I was a lot of people asking or someone made comments about my voice really changing

And I thought maybe it was like raspy because the smoking and do so that and I forgot Doug Remind him. He's like don't you remember you used to come straight over from orange theory Where you're yelling yelling in a class for like four hours and I was like oh, that's why I was crack Yeah, it's right it would crack and it was all raspy Like your voice hell a chance Show up in his train outfit. All right guys a great pocket Did you did you guys see the the big acquisition that just happened with Body armor oh wait a minute. So yeah, yeah, I wasn't who bought them. It was Nike Did you guys see the big acquisition that just happened with body armor?

Oh, wait a minute. So, who bought them? It was Nike, no. It was a big deal, right? It was actually the largest acquisition ever at $5.6 billion. Oh, I think the last time, Coca-Cola, heard of body armor. Like I know that they existed. So did you.

But I'm like, I've never seen them. Did you know that Kobe Bryant was one of the first early investors. Shut your face. So his, his, how much is he going to make? 400 million. Wow. So it just sold at 5.6 billion to Coca-Cola. Wow. And that's that whole Gatorade market. So Gatorade and, and, and, uh, underarmers, not even the biggest player of the, all the energy drinks, right? You have Gatorade. And what's the other big one that I can't think of the name right now? Yeah, powerade, right? So powerade, but it's that's body armor, not under armor.

Yeah, it's body armor is the drink. You might say in that right? Thank you, Andrew. Yeah, yeah, it's body armor. You've seen it before. It's like the red and black light. I know, it's brilliant. But I've seen it anywhere.

I didn't know it was popular. It's five, I know me too. It's 5.6 billion. That market's interesting. That's why a lot of people know't know this, but we invested in Elemente. We think that they are going to start with product. We think that they're going to. Well, it is.

It's a better product. In a space where obviously there's lots of room for it. And it's palatable. That's what sells, by the way. Sports drink. It's taste better. It's superior. It's superior sugar.

And they're getting it in the hands of once it starts getting in the professional athletes Which that's where it's at right now. You'll see yeah, so it's exciting. Yeah, I thought you just really like that Since that's in a similar so I guess we could do the math if it's 5 billion and you got 400 million What does that mean what was it so he had a estimate is that about a million Doug see if you could do that We had about a million vested in it We saw a path water got into a whole foods. Yeah, that's right. Yes.

This is another big one. That's really cool. Another, another, another. Get that math bug. I did not get it. Oh, we threw it too fast. We're drilling this earlier this morning. What happened?

Yeah, math problems. Yeah. No, I thought that was, I thought that was pretty exciting. I do have to throw out there. Those driving back from passable road bulls and got to listen to all of the jewel episode that I heard that was amazing. Like literally the best podcast I've listened to.

Really? Yeah. And it's main, obviously, because she has a insane story and she's just such a positive force. Like she does all this stuff for a depression, anxiety, and has really actionable steps to take over, and take charge of your life again.

It's very inspirational, but her story is so insane. It takes you through so many twists and turns, and her rise to success. You're like not expecting that. People that came after, like family members that stole you're like the fourth or fifth person that I've heard said it was like the best podcast ever. It's so articulate.

I had no idea like she's like so well spoken. And honestly, it was it was a ride. The whole episode was amazing. You ever listen, you ever watch her, you know, link videos when she was younger? No, but I mean, I've been a fan. Like I enjoy her music just cuz I know she you know she sounds like a legit crazy Towns that but yeah crazy crazy. She's always had it. But then she disappeared right? She just oh yeah, and then she gets into that too. How like I mean she was making

selling a million Albums but back when he had CD sales and all that, a million albums a month for an entire year. Wow. Wow. Which, you know, like really something, this is for like 15 to like 20 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's one of her songs? Come on. Who is it? You're so. Oh, there you go. She's way out of my rage. I wanted the name. I don't have to, you don't have to sing it. But I know what I was thinking of that I wanted to bring up because we're talking real estate stuff. That's what was on my mind.

Mark Anderson buys the most expensive house ever bought in in California be past Bezos Bezos bought the one for one 60 something million 160 something million 177 million dollars Malibu. What the hell is in the house? It's on Malibu, dude. So it's the property warning Anything else? So it's like probably a big chunk of land that's right on the beach or right on the face of water. That would be so weird to live in a house like that. We know what crazy at once they said they could do this math for us because what's California property taxes 1.56 or

something like that? Doug is that right? How much you can owe? Yeah, like month like even that's what people don't realize with something like that. Right right you let's say you have Let's say someone gave it to you. Yeah, you have to sell it. Yeah, you can't right like say like say someone bought it out right for you You still to pay the property tax on that thing and property tax on 177 million what's the least 1.7 million? At 1% well, yeah, that would be at 1% at 1.7. I'll be more than that Yeah, so by 2.5 so someone gave me the house, we better sell this real quick. Because you're a monthly payment on property tax to be closer

like 20 something thousand probably more. That's rough off my head. 20, $20,000 a month. And by the way, that's Mark Andreessen, not Mark Andreessen. Oh, I think Andreessen. What is he, like a fat, he bought it from a fashion mogul dude, right?

And I don't know what he's a, is he a VC? Yeah, a fashion mogul. Yeah, he was, I think he was started with was it net scape that was his first thing I'm not sure he's a investor. Yeah VC guy. Yeah. And he bought a Silicon Valley for a long time. Yeah. Any body. But he did the big news for was because that's the most expensive house ever sold in California before it would

just feel strange to live in a house like that. I wouldn't feel I don't know, it'd feel weird. Oh, it's so good. No. You feel real good. You've been fucking feel real good. It's kind of like, like, kingly. Where's the kids in the, you know, in the East Wing?

All right, call them up real quick. Yeah, I haven't taken Uber to get to the kitchen. I mean, you would, you would have a house and insanely amount of money always coming in in order to do that. It would be hard. Yeah, not just, you couldn't just be worth three half million people to help you.

Like managing the place. Exactly. It's not just property taxes. What do you think his freaking gardener bill is? Right, right. House cleaning and all that stuff like that. Yeah, no, all that stuff. His house keeping is probably thousands of dollars a month

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like a block or you wear squat shoes or anything that raises the heel but a stable, it increases knee flexion and extension and reduces the activation at the hip. So it's more quad focused than it is glute or hamstring focused. In an extreme case you do something like a assisti squat where you're actually pushing the hips forward as you're doing this. But it's a great way to hit the quads. Try doing a front squat with your heels elevated. Well, that's how we used to do. I mean, before, I mean, you're really the person

that introduced me to Sissy Squads. I didn't even know what those were, but that's how we used to really try to like get more activation of the quads was to get our heels up on these blocks and then do front squats have you loaded. And we do that, you know, and programming for football as well. Justin's like, I ain't doing anything that says, sissy first.

I'll put my heels on a block, but I ain't doing an exercise called sissy anything. That's right, masculine squats. No, I think you just, I think it's, I, what's happened is squat shoes have become trendy. And so you see a lot of people wearing them to squat, thinking that that's the way people wearing them to squat thinking that that's the way you're supposed to squat.

At least that's what I see in the gym. Like I see a lot of people that they're not wearing a squat shoes because they're like, I'm trying to target my quads. They're like, this is what they saw. Olympic lifters using them. They thought it was cool and they brought it in. Right. So to be fair though, right?

Squat shoes will raise the heel, but it's not gonna raise the heel as much as you would. If you're doing a gallbit squat with your heels elevated, you're gonna elevate your heels more than you'll get in a squat. You'll raise them higher. That's just like trying to compensate for the lack of ankle mobility. Yeah, that's a little more. And you are getting more quad activation. But when you're elevating your heels, you want to elevate a little more when you're doing

a heel elevated gallbit squat or a front squat with your heels, you want to elevate a little more when you're doing like a heel elevated goblet squat or a front squat with your heels elevated. But I think it's great. I think the quad targeting exercise that used to be super popular was a leg extension. There's a little bit of value to a leg extension, but it pales in comparison to doing some of these other exercises.

Oh, especially that. Cicci squat or like a goblet squat with heels elevated, you're gonna get a much better quad pump that you will. Especially if you understand how to focus on the quads on the descent and at the top and really squeeze the quads like if you do a goblet squat with your heels elevated with your feet relatively close together and you really focus on the descent and feeling your quads and then you come up and squeeze the quads hard at the top. It fire.

It maintains tension all the time. You'll get a crazy question. Not to mention it's, again, it's more functional than something like a leg extension. You know, and I know some people hate to hear that, like, oh, the functional word. There's the functional word on everything. It's like, you're more likely to be on a hill

and have to squat down in the squatted position than you are to be in a seated position and never have to kick your leg out. I mean, it's that simple. So getting strong in that position is not only probably better for quad development, but also just overall movement and in just real life that there may come a time when I'm picking my toddler up and I'm on a hill. And I have the ability to do that with good strength and good control, you know. Next question is from Justin Lee.

What are your thoughts on Mike Mencer's heavy duty training? Change your life. Well, it actually was a very profound book for me, but it was just generally in the whole muscle building world. So he's the intensity one, right? Is that right? Yeah, so a little background, right? So Mike Mencer was a bodybuilder in the 70s, early 80s. And he was, you know, he never won

Mr. Olympia, but he had a very commanding physique on stage, very smart, kind of cerebral guy, very different. And during that time, the bodybuilding training was all about volume and frequency and angles, Arnold dominated body building at the time. So everything was about 20 something sets per body part, double split routines. And Mike Menser comes out and says, no, in order to trigger muscle growth, you just need to do one all out high intensity set

of weight, so resistance training. Send the signal, leave it alone, right? And he got this from Arthur Jones. Arthur Jones was the inventor of Nautilus equipment, you know, the famous, you know, experiment he did with KC Viator that we've talked about on the podcast. And so Mike Menser employed some of these techniques and built a great physique. He just, he took it too far, you know, on the one hand you have the the volume as king. On the other hand, you have no, it's all about intensity. And they are inversely related, right? The harder you work out, the less volume you could do

in vice versa. But neither one of them is the full answer. And I learned this through trial and error. And through, I even did this on my clients. I actually would have clients do heavy due to workouts because I was going through the period of kind of like experimenting. And you'll see them progress and then stop.

Just like with almost any other viable training. That's the real magic behind all of these books, all of these methods of training is that if you've never trained this way before and then you go do it, you may see incredible results like you've never seen before. But it's not that method of training why. It's because the novelty of that. And if you go do that forever and consistent and then read a different book

that has competing type of theories or ideas around training, you're gonna see incredible results again. And that was, it took me over a decade to piece that together, right? Cause I fell into that trap. You've tried something that worked a little. Yeah, oh, high reps. Oh, it's all low reps.

Oh, it's going to failure. Oh, it's like, it's like, oh, maybe what it is is that I've been doing this all the time. And this is so different than that. So my body adapts and responds, okay, now I've been doing that for a long time. So damn near anything else, but that is going to show him. And so that's the real lesson is an understanding human behavior, how we get caught into doing this trap of the same stuff all the time. Well, it definitely ups the risk and the risk rewards. So it's sort of, you know, balance with that.

And you do see like success from that, but then there's that thin line of like, you know, now I'm flirting with like a risky, you know, type of a method where you see this sort of resurface. I don't know if you guys are familiar with those, like, ARX machines. So it's like basically like a mechanized resistance. And so they try to like really like intensify one rep. So you do each phase of the contraction, they like add more to the strength curve within those.

So it's like basically like cables, you're like pushing as hard as you can, you're holding for as hard as you can. And then you're coming back in descent as hard as possible. And so it's like, the whole thing is like all intensity, like short amount of reps, but they're trying to sort of solve the issue of it being such a riskier type of modality. But again, it only lasts for so long, you know, before we're going to need to expose the body, something else. It oversimplifies muscle adaptation or the adaptation of building strength and muscle.

They say it's all about intensity, and so if you just go intense enough for one set, the trigger or the wheels are set in motion, then you just step away, allow your body recover, and you should be able to build muscle up until you reach your genetic potential. It doesn't work this way. You can over apply intensity as well. And by the way, volume and frequency also contribute to muscle.

Otherwise, you wouldn't see mechanics with muscular forms. Why do mechanics typically have muscular forms? They never go to failure. It's a lot of volume, a lot of frequency, right? Now, I'm not saying that's the only answer failure. It's a lot of volume, a lot of frequency, right? Now I'm not saying that's the only answer either. It's a combination of them, and you have to kind of move in and out of each of them to get your body to continue to respond.

But look, even if we were to use bodybuilders as the example, the vast majority of bodybuilders out there train with more volume and don't go to failure all the time. There are a few that do, like, Doreen Aitz kind of trained this way, right? Mike Menser trained this way. There's a couple others that was something

called DC training, that kind of was similar. I mean, Mike Menser went so crazy with this at one point that he would train people with his typical style, which was one all-out set to failure per body part and people would, he would have people work out two or three days a week, that was it. Then when they would stop responding, you know what his answer was?

Less frequency. Okay, then it means you need more recovery. So now I'm gonna give you 10 days between body parts and then 14 days between, and it just, it didn't work, it stops working. Now do you, I don't believe that any of these guys that wrote any of these books only trained that way either. Do you think Mike Mitzer only trained that way

that he wrote in the book or that was like a phase or a thing that he did or that he talked about it because he was marketing and selling the boy. You know what I think? But then he probably actually trained a lot of different ways. I think it's sustainable. Yeah, I don't think so either.

I think that happened still today. You see somebody market an idea and it's like, oh, it's brilliant, but I don't think they do that either. They use it, oh, I've got this incredible physique that I've built. Now let's write a book around these few things, and it's like, they are not just doing those few things. You know, I used to think that,

and I think to some extent that's true, but then there's this other side that, you know, when you read about these people, you see many interviews, like Doreen Yates did train the way that he said he did for all of his Mr. Olympia wins. And he would literally do a few exercises per body part, one all-out set to failure, and that's it per exercise. So for back, he'd do like three exercises.

So three sets to failure, and that was it, which for pro bodybuilding terms is super low volume. Now here's my explanation. I think that there's genetic variances between individuals that sometimes makes people respond exceptionally well to intensity so they can cut their volume way down, use intensity and it just works really well for them. And then I think there's people on the other end

of the spectrum. And I think there's people with frequency that are like that as well. So I think that there's general truths, but your individual variants might make you work a little better one way or the other. And I also don't think it's permanent. I think as your body changes and your age

and circumstances change, then what works for you before may not work for you as well as it did before. But this particular theory at the time or this book, it came out and it was so different, so radical against, you know, comparison at what everybody else was saying, that it didn't gain popularity, and it's probably because people all did high volume.

And so they said, let me try this out, and then, oh my God, it totally works. So it kinda blew up. But I do think there's some truth in what he says. I just don't think it's the all-out answer. And by the way, the best studies on resistance training and building muscle shows that going to failure is too much intensity most of the time. And that one set to failure or one hard set versus three hard sets for beginners is usually this just as fine. But as they get more advanced, more volume,

tends to produce better results. And so we do have these general truths that we've already shown in studies, and this heavy duty style training is probably not best for most people. Next question is from Marco Arcega. What are the top 10 essentials for building a home gym? Damn, 10.

I don't even know if I have 10 of them. Yeah, I don't know if I have 10 I think we should be some of your Central let's make the list here squat rack. We all agree yeah, I barbell dumbbell squat rack adjustable bench Well, if you're done that was too fast there I know you would see barbell barbell dumbbells adjustable dumbbells or Plates obviously go in with barbells. I would assume that counts as your 10 essentials right? Yeah. Comes in there. Flat bench and Klein bench adjustable belt both. So you can do it. So you can do it and Klein or flat. You said barbells already plates dumbbells plates. I mean, I mean, if I'm an ad to maybe a easy curl, easy curl bar. I mean, you don't just name my garage gym that I've been working at.

I've been working out like that for the last 15 years. I don't even have the easy car bar. I literally have a barbellard plate, dumbbells. Would you say a hard curl bar? Yeah, hard to curl. That's not easy, man. I mean, I would say this though to start. If somebody actually asked me this in person, I would say, all right, number one, what form of exercise do you enjoy the most? Because we have to start with that, right? You're most likely to be consistent. Like if you like suspension trainers, and that's your favorite way to work out,

then that's going to be number one on your essential. That's crucial for me. Well, to me, that's okay. So I have a suspension trainer. That's under, it's $100 or what is ours? 97 bucks or some shit, right? So it's under $100, you can have that piece of equipment and that can hang in there. That could be one of your 10 easily.

So I think that should compliment almost any gym, because even if you're not a big suspension training, like training that much, I think the priming aspect of it and rehab stuff and the low intensity, I think, doing that in front. It's not gonna be the weird one. I gotta have a mace bell and I gotta have a you know, a kettlebell, like at least a pair of kettlebells. If I have a limit it to like two,

it's gotta be at least like two, 55 pounds. So I could at least do a little bit of damage. And since they said 10, you could throw a sled in there and then you're pretty much done. Yeah. But you know, it's funny because there's always this home a gym, you know, home gym equipment being sold and the newest latest, greatest piece of equipment.

But it's, it's honestly, literally, if you, if you got a squat rack that was, you know, stable, I mean, PRX is, I think, one of the best and it folds into the wall. The barbell, the dumbbells, adjustable bench, you're, the vast majority of people that I could possibly train for most people's goals, you're done. Yeah. And by the way, and I think we're answering this way because it says essential because I don't think we think there's 10 essential things for like lifting weights.

If you said, what are your 10 favorite pieces of equipment in there, we could probably list off some things like Viking press and then we had to probably add some things that we really like now that might go in that 10. But man, you can definitely, I mean, most of our programs, you can run on four pieces of equipment or less,

you know, as far as- If you just had like four sets of dumbbells or something, yeah, like you could do a lot of damage with that. Oh, I could, I used to train, sometimes, well, I used to do so all the time, because clients would love it. I would train clients with one pair of dumbbells, or I'd train them with like a couple sets of bands.

Today, our whole workout is gonna be done with bands, and they would get a phenomenal workout, and they loved it because they could see that we could achieve so much with such minimal equipment. There's a huge myth with fitness, especially with resistance training that you need all kinds of equipment.

And that's because when you go into the gym, what do you see when you go to the weight area? Yeah, that's how they sell you on the membership. You got so many pieces of equipment, oh, there's the chest area, there's the back area, there's the shoulder area. Oh, cardio, you just need a bike. And then you can, the truth is,

when it comes to resistance training, you don't need a lot of equipment. It's actually very inexpensive and you could do everything. You could train everyone, and there's so much variety. Look, I tell you what, the Arnold Schwarzenegger encyclopedia bodybuilding, okay?

That's one of my favorite first exercise books, 90% of the exercises in there are free weight. And there's like 10 exercises per body part, all free weight based, all phenomenal. So that's pretty much all you need. Dude, I'm getting crazy. If you just threw me in the woods with an axe, like I'm going to go into two.

You're gonna build that house. Yeah, yeah. Chop it, you know, lifting rocks, that's all you need, man. Like Rocky from Rocky for yeah, exactly. Next question is from George why our ex myths and facts on apple cider vinegar. I'll tell you the truth about that stuff. It's great for baby back ribs. It's that's your secret ingredient. I used it last night. So I was I was making ribs last night and I actually used that to hydrate the ribs. That's your ingredient. I used it last night. So I was making ribs last night and I actually used that to hydrate the ribs. So that's how I use it for you.

You know what it is? Is it got some health benefits? Yeah, but it's got right. It's nothing special. It's not like some miraculous. So for a second there it was like super popular. It still kind of is. It's become I don't know who started it.

Was it a temp faire? It's been green filled type of bio hat thing to have Nobody wants a one thing two table spoons to start their day off every day right to to set your gut right and balance it out Or some bullshit like that's been like the trendy thing to do. Yeah, it's got some I guess some anti microbial properties And but you know what though if you have for some people I know who have gut issues It's terrible like for me if I if I have apple cider vinegar on an empty stomach, it's gonna, I'm gonna have a good time. Oh really, it messes you up.

It does. It does feel good on me. So I have taken it before like that, because I'm trying to remember where I saw that first, but it's not noticeable. No, they're my God, that's all I had to do. There is no fitness stuff. There is no miracle food.

You know what, I'll use another example just to kind of illustrate this. For a second there, remember the a sideberry, the grow the Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. And goji berries like, oh my God, they're so incredible. They're chock full of any. It's like one degree different than a blueberry. It's literally exotic. It's literally like the same thing. Did you know that? You know the truth is blueberries is better. No, a sideberry was became one of the It's literally like the same thing. Did you know that? You know the truth is?

No, a sideberry was became one of the games. They made... It's because we didn't know what it was. Nobody ever asked. There was like a few places in the world you could find these aside berries or whatever. And you had companies like Monovie and some of these that they bottled it all up

and promoted all about Brazil or... And I oxidance and try to claim that it cured cancer and all these people. and it's like literally, you could go have a half pound of blueberries and get the exact same benefits. You wanna know what's funny? Here, okay, this is true now. Again, there is no miracle food,

but let's just say that all the common foods that we now, we're not familiar with and we just discover them. So scientists just discovered all the common foods that we now, we're not familiar with, and we just discover them. So scientists just discovered all the common foods that we eat, and they stumble upon the chicken egg and red meat. You know what those two foods would be labeled as? Super foods.

Red meat literally could sustain you and provide you with every single essential nutrient. Now I'm not saying it's ideal, by the way. Okay, so let me back up for a second. I'm not saying you should just eat meat. I know there's people out there with the carnivore diet, whatever. No, that's not ideal.

But what I am saying is, red meat will, you will not, you'll probably not have a nutrient deficiency and you'll survive for a long time or maybe forever. It's part of the essential macronutrient classification. Yeah, same thing with eggs, like a perfect protein and the yolk is chock full of all these incredible things. But because we're so familiar with these foods,

I couldn't come out and say, you know, steak, the super, like everybody's like, well, I eat steak all the time. Just like I couldn't come out with blueberry juice and sell it like they do with the side juice. Doug, aren't you an apple cider vinegar guy? I did a long time ago, but not recently. It's, is that what it is?

Is it supposed to just promote good gut health? Isn't that like the big thing from what? I mean, yeah, and they'd say it's anti-inflammatory. And you know, you could just like extend your life or something like some crazy good. That I didn't know. I think people use it for dieting as well. Yeah.

Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, drinking more. I mean, it's just, you probably just drinking more. There's what you're doing. Is it considered like a prebiotic or anything? Is it with phony? Oh really? Yeah, I mean, drinking more. I mean, it's just, you probably just drinking more. There's what you're doing. You put some in there. Is it considered like a prebiotic or anything? Is it with fallen? No, it's got some antimicrobial properties.

So it could kill, you know, certain bacteria. Bad bacteria, right? Yeah, but it's posted popularly good bacteria, kill bad bacteria, that's all it really is, right? Yeah, yeah, but it's not, again, there's no, there's no stuff. That much different than eating like fermented food. Is it that much?

You know, regular vinegar I think is kind of similar. So regular vinegar, balsamic vinegar, got some health properties if we're going to compare the two. Right. But you know what it is, is what they'll do is they'll take, and they'll do this often with foods, is they'll take one thing and then they'll extrapolate and add. Like, oh, okay, so the antioxidant capability of this is this, and then they'll, you know, then they'll say, oh.

That's what they do with the Ascii berries, Because they took out that like, oh, these super antioxidants and they go, well, what are antioxidants good for? Anoxins are good for X, Y, and Z. Therefore, this juice helps cure X, Y, and Z. Exactly. Whoa. Yeah, you want to know what this is? You want to know what the shitty truth is?

And this is backed by lots of studies. Here's the shitty truth. And I know it's a lot more complex than this. But if you're eating in a calorie deficit, a lot of what you eat doesn't really make that big of a difference. Now I know that people are going to hammer me for this and there's a totally admit it's a lot more complex than this and what you eat determines how you feel and there's essential nutrients and essential macronutrients. I get all that so I'm not saying that that's not true. But like sugar is a good example.

High sugar diet where your calories are below maintenance. You're at a weight loss diet that's high in sugar. Guess what that sugar does to your body? Nothing, it doesn't do to your body what a high sugar, high calorie diet does to your body, where you see all this inflammation and increased cancer, which is a lot of stuff. So this is true for a lot of things.

That's like Lane's number one mission is to get that message across to people. Was that in the context of low calorie, all this bullshit that people try and say about stuff. Does it make that big a raise as insulin? And this is the cause of obesity epidemic and Coke will make you fat and sugar will make you fat is like, dude, and if show me a study that shows you

in a calorie deficit, all those adverse effects that you're talking about from those foods. And there's scientists that will do this on themselves. I ate a fast food diet and I lost 30 pounds and improved all my blood, you know, markers or whatever. Now, here's why it's more complex. It's going to make your appetite. You're going to be hungrier.

You're probably going to feel like shit. You're going to crave more food. It's not sustainable. So there's a lot more to what I'm saying. Well, yeah, and you can't tell me that, okay, let's say you have your calorie maintenance is 2000 calories, right? So calorie deficit would be 1500.

Okay, so you're eating 1500 calories. So when it eats 1500 calories of a balanced diet, proteins, carbs, fats from whole foods, versus someone eats 1500 calories from mit chip ice cream, you can't tell me that the person that is eating the whole food diet is not going to have other health markers or other benefits that the person in the calorie deficit. Yes, of course.

You got to still have your essential nutrients and all that, of course. But I'm saying let's say you have two lower, you know, two diets that are below maintenance and calories. Okay. One of them is 150 grams of carbohydrates. The other one is 150 grams of sugar, which is also carbohydrates, right? So both carbs are the same. One sugar, one isn't. If they stay that way,

you're not gonna see that much of a difference in terms of the person's health and stuff. Now, how they feel, I will argue, is different. You eat 150 grams of sugar. Your appetite's probably gonna be a little bit different, up and down, your energy might be a little different. And that's important we should consider all that. But my point is the cravings too, right?

That's what I mean. My point though is that there's this whole super food thing. Now there's definitely foods that don't have tons of value except for maybe the palatability. Right, right. Like I can argue that. Watermelon versus avocado. Yeah, or a twinkie. It doesn't have calories, but I mean, what other value?

But this whole superfood argument, a lot of it is just, they'll take something that a lot of people don't use that seems exotic and then they'll spin it and market it and sell it to you. And because you've never used it before, because it sounds weird, it's the Goji berry, it's no need juice, it's whatever. Now you're going to want to find it.

Now that all being said, I don't see there's any, there's any, no harm, no foul and you taking two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar the morning. If it makes you feel good and you notice it makes your gut feel good, it's a very inexpensive product. Or you can just hydrate your ribs like I do with it. So what are you still coming in then? Well, yeah, like when you do a long smoke like that, like every hour to help a couple hours, I'll go in there and I'll hydrate the meat so it doesn't dry out completely and apple cider

vinegar is really good for that. Just the apple and the flavor mix really well with it. That's all. Aside from gaining 20 pounds of muscle, I don't know if I didn't notice anything on it. Anyway, just kidding. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free guides. We have guides that can help you build muscle, burn body fat, improve your health, get a better squat, we even have guides for personal trainers. You can find that again all at mindpumpfree.com.

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