Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1683: The Difference Between Having Muscle & Being Strong, How to Correctly Perform a Seated Shoulder Press, Gaining Muscle Without Gaining Fat Vs. Losing Fat Without Losing Muscle & More

Episode Date: November 12, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the difference between having muscle & being strong, whether the seated dumbbell shoulder press should be done at a slight incline or at 90 degrees, if it is harder for the average person to gain muscle without gaining fat or lose fat without losing muscle, and how to deal with weird looks when doing the mobility sessions in MAPS Performance. The many complexities of working with a team. (3:39) It’s crazy how strong people can be. (10:50) What you can learn from the training techniques of old strongmen. (15:06) Identifying insecurities and how to work through them. (21:51) Wegovy, the latest blockbuster weight loss drug. (36:21) Are athletes taking parasites to remove fear and anxiety? (46:25) Will the Metaverse influence the real world? (49:28) Vuori is on a rocket ship! (52:27) How Rob Dyrdek is someone Adam would like to hang out with. (56:35) #Quah question #1 – Is there a difference between having muscle and being strong? (1:01:29) #Quah question #2 – Should the seated dumbbell shoulder press be done at a slight incline or at 90 degrees? (1:07:59) #Quah question #3 – In your opinion, is it harder for the average person to gain muscle without gaining fat or lose fat without losing muscle? (1:13:10) #Quah question #4 - How do you deal with the weird looks you get when doing the mobility sessions in MAPS Performance? (1:16:59) Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Anywhere and the Fit Mom Bundle – Both 50% off! **Promo code “NOVEMBER50” at checkout** Valentin Dikul Power Juggling in Circus 1985 How to Rip a Phonebook in Half (Awesome Party Trick!) - Mind Pump TV Your Next Five Moves: Master the Art of Business Strategy – Book by Patrick Bet-David Weekly injectable weight loss drug Wegovy is a huge hit and in short supply Toxoplasmosis - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic Meta and Microsoft announce partnership to integrate Workplace and Teams Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Vuori Gets $400 Million Investment From SoftBank How Rob Dyrdek Optimised His Time To Build A $400 Million Company Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP10” at checkout** One Arm Arnold Press- Improve Shoulder Mobility & Development – Mind Pump TV How To Do The Landmine Press - FREE Shoulder Growth Guide – Mind Pump TV Z Press to take Your Shoulder Development to the Next Level – Mind Pump TV MAPS Fitness Performance | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Serene Wilken (@mindful_axis)  Instagram Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid)  Instagram Rob Dyrdek (@robdyrdek)  Instagram Mike Salemi (@mike.salemi)  Instagram Jordan Syatt (@syattfitness)  Instagram Aaron Alexander (@alignpodcast)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. By the way, if you ever want to have your question answered, go to the Instagram page, MindPump Media, post your question under the quap meme, and then if we pick it, we'll

answer it in one of these episodes. Now we open the episode within intro, which was 56 minutes long. This is where we talk about current events and scientific studies. We talk about our sponsors. So here's what went down in today's entire show. We opened up talking about the difference between the individual superstar and teamwork and how that relates to our business.

Then we talked about a famous, or I should say, used to be famous, Russian, Kettlebell, Juggler, Strength, Athlete. It's insane when you see what this guy did back in human powers. In 1985, that led us to talking about the training techniques of old time, strong man and how they could be valuable

to how we trained today. Then we talked about our own insecurities, things that we've had that we've been challenged with, things that we're working on currently. I brought up a new pharmaceutical weight loss drug called Wigovie. That is exploding. It's, I don't even think they can meet demand right now. It's very interesting.

Just then talked about how some fighters, professional fighters, are willingly giving themselves toxoplasmosis to help get rid of their fear, which is kind of crazy. Yeah, bizarre. Then we talked about the metaverse and NFTs. Then we brought up Viori. Their money they got from Softbank, how profitable they are.

Some speculations to whether or not they would make NFT at Leisureware. By the way, Viori is the best at Leisureware company you'll find anywhere. We've been working with them for years. We love their stuff. It lasts a long time. It looks really good.

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Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know if there's a difference between just having a lot of muscle and being strong. The next question, should you do a seated shoulder press at a slight incline or at a perfect 90 degree angle? The next question, this person wants to know if it's harder for the average person to gain muscle without gaining body fat or if it's harder to lose fat without losing muscle.

And the final question, this person wants to know how you deal with the weird looks you can get in the gym, doing mobility exercises like the ones that we have in MAPS performance, horse blinders. Also, all month long, we are running a big workout program sale. So MAPS anywhere, the equipment for you workout program requires only resistance bands,

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And by the way, that bundle can be for anybody, not just fit moms, so taff off. If you're way, that bundle can be for anybody, not just fit moms. So tap off. If you're interested in either one of these special promotions, head over to maps fitnessproducts.com, select the one you want to sign up for, and then use the code November 50, that's November 5-0 for that discount. I'm such a team guy. Like I just in life and business and in definitely in sports. And so the players that I'm most attracted to are not the most commercial players.

Like my favorite player is, right? Yeah, yeah, Dremon or Iggy who comes off the bench. I don't know about these guys, but you can get it. But my point was that, you know, somebody on the outside looking in, you know, may think, you know, like, oh, Sal is this entire business or Adams, this entire business and stuff. And I say, I don't, Sal is this entire business or Adams, this entire business and stuff. And I say, I don't, I don't look at it that way. And in fact, many times it's the guy who you have no idea about that is the true glue or that really makes it work.

And so we are talking about that. And he was like, are you going to try and say that, you know, Steph Curry is not the lawyers or nothing without Steph Curry. And I said, well, I think Steph Curry is one of the greatest players ever played the game. but I actually don't think he is the most valuable person that he just freaked out. I'm just like, you want to know who I think and I say, Dremon. He's like, what? And I'm just like, yeah, because that guy, that guy is humble enough to give the ball up to Steph all the time.

And that doesn't work all the time. And so you've got to keep that in perspective, even when talking about a business where you have like four founders like this, is like, you may hear someone who's louder like me all the time, but imagine the level of confidence it takes for Justin or Doug to allow me to be that personality or to do that. You know, you know what you see that most clearly

is with bands, right? Because they're so visible. Yeah, imagine being the drummer for, you know, basis. How many times that happened? they're so visible. Yeah, and how you mean the drummer for, you know, basis. How many times that happened? We're a band. They break up. Crushes, and there's a lead singer.

Lead singer gets a big head. Yeah. Takes off. I'm gonna do this on my own. And then fucking tanks. Clothes and their next band is dog shit. Yeah, people remember the lead singer that went off and did well, but that's like one out of 20.

Right. 19 times they tanked. Right. And it wasn't like that. And, you know, and it's not just the lead singer that went off and did well, but that's like one out of 20. 19 times, they tanked. And it wasn't like that. And it's not just the lead singer who all time gets a big head. Sometimes it's the drummer who's jealous of the thing, the big singer. And that says something special about the drummer, the bass player, who's okay playing that role.

Like listen, I've met a guy who's got a beautiful voice and can do something I can't do. And even if I am part of this synergy, I'm okay not being the guy. So that was like the discussion and we were talking about mind pump and then the warriors. The irony is, for us, none of us want to really want to seek to be the guy.

If anything, that's the least appealing part. No, I would love to be the guy nobody that I told him. I said, I would prefer, I told him to do that. I was like, there was a time when I, I remember at the meeting where I told, I told you guys who everybody was in the wears, you know? And I said, you know, I didn't put myself as Steph Curry or the guy who everybody else thinks is the best guy. Like I, Dreymon, that's because of who I am.

Like that's, I like that personality better and I'm okay Not if the whole world doesn't think that I'm the best around the great. Well the reality is to if for every You know Kobe Bryant or whatever. There's a team owner or billionaire No, that's the real fucking That's where it's at and I was made that's the case I was making his organizations and leadership and like people just they get so caught up in the The fame of the person who gets all the the hype and the attention. It's like Steph Curry and they all don't work if it's not for Steve Kerr and Steve Kerr doesn't work

If isn't for Bob Myers who's the owner and like it's a top-down organization. It's so rare to have a team that really works That works well when they succeed. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? When they're really crushing, it's hard to find a team that really works well. And that is, you know, it's in this why love good team sports is there's this movement and his generation and younger that look at NBA because in the last two decades, the NBA began building what are called super teams. This has never happened before in a history of basketball where We're big, big players. The best players on the team started trading up to be all on each other's teams and getting meeting after we're and that didn't happen before. And in the back in the Jordan days, there's Jordan, there's Larry, there's magic. Right. And they stay with that team their whole career.

There's loyalty. And they're like that. We're now it's like, buddy, guys are like, let's get together and we'll go win a champ. And the best of the best is adding on to anything. Other guys going on. That does not work. So it does sometimes work. I didn't know worse a lot actually because they are so good.

But every once in a while, you have a team like the warriors who are far, they built their guys. They were 19 year olds that we developed in a culture. None of them are, I mean, they've become superstars, but none of them were bought. And they they've become superstars, but none of them were bought, and they were built in our system, and they win. And plus, if you look at it like from this standpoint, like you get that superstar, okay, which they exist, how rare is that to find and combine the right ones, or your odds of

having a superstar and then having a team that supports it and all works together really well. And you see this, how your odds are better with that. Right now you're seeing this in the NBA right now. You're seeing it with the the nets that have done that they've gone out and got three massive egos and superstars. You see that with the Lakers this year they've gone out and done that is. Now that's the team.

The new way of the NBA is like go find three all stars put them all on the team and see how they work out. And it's just rare for it to really mesh well because they're all used to being the superstar. And that it takes a very special person to be a superstar, but it'll also be able to be okay to take it back seat. You ever read about like effective, like these, what do they call, Navy SEALs or Army Ranger groups,

the real effective ones. If you ever read about how they do operations, they sometimes someone else will lead. Everybody else gets behind and they know. They work together instinctively. It's not like this big ego thing. No. And it works like understanding.

Yeah, it's like the group mind is that group flow that we've heard all the time, like Stephen Kotler and all them kind of bring up. Yeah. If you can get into that group flow, you have even more of an advantage over somebody that's an individual. Well, it's so funny to me, because so many people say they want to win.

But do you really? Yeah, except, but they care more about themselves winning than the teammates from it. Exactly, like they want to win, really. I want to win. You know how many people would rather be on a third place team but be the best person on that team than be on a third place team, but be the best person on that team than be on a first place team, but be like the third best person on that team?

Well, so did you hear it? Did you hear when he was leaving? That's what he was teasing me about. It was like, Adam would rather lose, but play the game well and be a loser than then then win. He misunderstood you didn't he? Well, no, actually, you're more likely to win that. Well, yeah, more, but there's truth to that. Like I would, I would rather play the game in a pure way

and the way that I think it should be played as a team than to go out and buy three of the best guys and ride their co-tales and there's no real chemistry going on, it's just that you're so good, they dominate. Like I would rather lose. I would rather lose, but be great together and enjoy that because I'm a purist in the game. And so, yeah, he was making fun of me because of that.

I'm just like, that's the difference between you and I. Like, that's the reason why you're broke right now. And I'm like, yeah. I'm sick of you. Ouch. Truth. Being is what you're borrowing your mom's car, bro. The cold shade of truth.

Oh, damn. Damn. Hey, Doug, I sent you a close. He's a good sport, though. I want you to pull this up. I don't know if you're familiar with this guy, Justin, but he was a Russian kettlebell juggler. Oh, yeah.

He's so strong. He's so strong. It doesn't make any sense. Oh, I think I've seen this guy with this. Bro, what's his name? Valentin D'Coul. What is it again? Valentin D'Coul.

Valentin D'Coul. Watching him do this has actually made me. Well, remember when Justin and I were doing that toss back and forth? I think it was his videos. He juggles. These are 75 kilo kettlebells. Damn.

Okay, so what is that? 160 pound kettlebells or something like that? Something like that. Is that really what he's juggling? 75 kilo kettlebells. Damn. Okay, so what is that? 160 pound kettlebells or something like that? Is that really what he's juggling? 75 kilo kettlebells and look at that. I don't know if you need a fast forward dug to the part where he's actually Messing with them, but he's like this famous This is 1985. Oh, yeah, he is the same guy that does the it's almost like a I mean, it's like a cannonball. Yeah but it's like, yeah, a 200 pound. Or maybe this isn't the guy.

Cannonball, he does these like tricks, like you'd seen some performers do where they have like a ball and they kind of roll across their shoulders. That's 75 kilos, bro. That's like 160 pounds in each hand. And he's just throwing them around, like they're like the 20 pounders.

It's insane to me. Yeah. How strong some people can be with their, yeah. Yeah, here it is, yeah, this is the same guy. What is that? That's like a, You know what, heavy that thing is too. That's like 130 pounded up.

Like it's like one of those balls at Chuckie Cheese or something. Yeah. And he's like catching it on his neck. That's sick. Yeah, you know, I love the, I really, really, It's close to his health. Yeah. You know how crazy that the, I really really really really.

You know how crazy that move right there is where he's like throwing it up over his head. You know, you if you look at that, we have a little barbell like that. And then the swans on his, that barbell right there is two hundred and something pounds that he's swinging around his body like that. You know what I'm saying?

Like imagine the course doesn't make a half right there. Well, imagine wrestling this guy. You know what I mean? You showed to his house and you take his daughter on a date. Did he do anything like that? Did he make a little baby? Did he actually do?

Obviously, this is, obviously, his main gig, but did he play a sport or do anything to express the kind of strength that he comes from? Well, this was it. He was a circus strong man. Now, remember Russia, he's Russian. Russia has a long history of these types of kettlebell athletes and strength athletes.

I don't know how much he's about to deadlift right here. I think it's something saying him on a weight. I've never seen anybody perform though, like strength feats like this is so unique. Yeah, I think it looked like, you know, a regular circus performance. You know, he has like all this performative act with it, you know, not just like, Oh, I'm lifting heavy and I'm struggling through weights. It's like, he makes it seamless and smooth, makes you feel like, you know, you have no strength at all.

Yeah, Doug, what's, do we know how much he's dead lifting or about to lift right here? Is there any way to put subtitles on there? Because, oh, let me see here, there may be some details in here. Yeah, let's look it up because he's doing these feats of strength. And you know, it's funny if you look at him,

he's not like bodybuilder-ish or whatever. No, but he looks strong. Yeah, you could tell. Yeah, let's look look it up because he's doing these feats of strength and you know it's funny if you look at him He's not like bodybuilder ish or whatever. No, but he looks strong. Yeah, you could tell yeah Like if I seen this dude at the beach Yeah, I feel like you don't want to kick sand on that guy Yeah, this guy's pretty pretty insane. So he break all your bones. This you said this is Russia right here. He's a rush Yeah, he's Russian and he's so the story goes he's a circus acrobat and he's start, and he broke his back when he was 17. What is he doing right there? He's putting like a thousand pounds on himself right now.

Oh, and then suddenly he stepped on it. Oh, is he doing a bridge? Yeah. Oh my God. He said the pyramid, I've seen notes here and I don't know how accurate it is, but it says he's holding it up. Yeah. The pyramid in the end is supposed to total 900 kilograms, which seems like a thousand pounds.

That's crazy. He's got 2,000 pounds under right now holding a bridge. Holding a bridge. I think yeah, let's see you do that, Brett Contreras. Yeah. Come on, good guy. Is he on his head? He was on his head.

He started like in a, what is that position called? Wow. It's a bridge, it's like a full wrestling bridge. You're that insane. So listen to this, right? So I pulled them up here. He's there's a video of him doing a 990 pound squat, a 572 pound bench press and a 1,012 pound deadlift. Wow. I mean, just insane. There's videos of him squatting a car. So they'll put a car in a ramp and put on his back and then he'll squat it. Wow. Really crazy.

You know what's interesting about these, these like strong men or strength athletes that did these kind of weird feats of strength is because they often didn't compete in these like powerlifting or Olympic lifting federations. Oftentimes their feats of strength kind of get lost to history. Yeah, because those numbers you just ride a lot. if he was like a competitor in, I mean, he would be very well known. He would. Those are some record breaking type numbers.

But then they do lifts that, you know, there's really no competition for, like a bent press or like we just did right there. You did a bridge with a thousand pounds on it. Yeah, there's no competitions for that. Or juggling with 160 pound kettlebells. And what's cool about these people, and I did this a long time ago, I remember years ago, I bought a bunch of books, I can't remember the name of the site, it was like old school strength,

or old school strong men I remember it was, and I was in my early 30s or late 20s, and I had just read this article about Eugene Sandow, right? So he's the guy that they modeled the Mr. Olympia Trophy out of, right? And I read about a bent press, one arm bent press he did with over three hundred pounds. So for people who don't know what that is,

it's this modified one arm lift, so you're lifting it in the air, and it's one arm, and it's a long barbell, which requires balance and stability and ridiculous, three hundred pounds, before this old time strong man, that's right I bought them. Before protein powders, creatine, definitely before steroids.

And remember thinking, I wonder if I could learn anything from these old strongman, right? Like how did they train? What did they do? So I bought all these obscure books that they wrote. And I would read about their training. And one thing that I found in common is they all lifted weights or did their strength sport

or whatever frequently. And they almost never trained to failure. They basically treated all their lifting like skill. Yeah, I practiced all. Everything was a skill. It's funny because I, you know, looking at it, I had the same kind of process where I looked back into history and was trying to see all the strongest guys and what they did and all that stuff.

And I think, and I'm not sure that this kind of sparked it for me, it was pretty embarrassing actually that this was a thing, but back in the day when I had to go through all these like youth groups and church groups and all that stuff, they had like a strength street team. You know, like came in with this like purple tube. They ripped the phone book and they bend the bar with their teeth. They rolled like a frying pan. Oh my God, I would have loved that.

Oh, bro. You would have told me I went there. I would have been rolled in. You know, and the whole thing is like this whole evangelist, like sort of a, you know, thing. I bet it's the same group of guys I saw. That's interesting. Yeah. Because you're nailing everything that they you know, thing. I bet it's the same group of guys I saw. That's interesting. Yeah.

Because you're nailing everything that they did for me too. I saw this one. Wow. And it, it's just kind of funny. But you don't really see that anymore as a thing, except for like on some stupid show like American, I, what do you call it? America's got count talent or something.

Yeah. Like you'll see some of this kind of stuff. You know, that's one of my favorite YouTube videos that we have when Sal taught us how to rip the phone books. Oh, yeah. I love that, dude. That was such an exciting day for me because I've seen that trick forever.

You know, and the fact that it's definitely there's like a trick to it to be able to do it. You have to have the right technique. You also have to be strong. And if you don't know how to do it, you're never gonna do it. You're never gonna do it. I don't care how strong you are.

And so it's like, that's why it's one of those cool tricks that if you know how to do it, you still have to be strong. Yeah, yeah. And I've done the fat, the old school, you can't find them anymore, but the fat, remember the old school phone books? Yeah. When I was 16, I was listening to like, what is a phone book? Yeah. This is how you used to find phone numbers, kids. You know what? The things at grandma's house. These strength, strength feats kind of go, they go back a couple generations of my dad's side of my family. So when I went to go visit my dad's parents in Sicily when I was 12 or 13 and I was just starting to kind of get into like strength stuff. I didn't work out in the backyard yet. My parents

still didn't let me touch the the the barbells but I did have these little cement dumbbells in my room and I was always infatuated with strength. So when I go there, my dad is, they're telling me stories of my dad and oh, your dad one time did this and he did that and your grandfather. And then they have this heavy-ass wooden chair that my grandfather sits on and he has it in his garage. I guess it's like a garage.

And he goes, my dad, so my grandfather's dad, my great grandfather, right? He goes, do you see the bike marks on the back of this? And I look, oh my God, there's bike marks on the top of the back of this heavy-ass wooden chair. I'm like, yeah. And he goes, my father used to, when we had people over, this was something he would do.

He would bite it and lift it with his teeth. I didn't even have to share it there. Really? Yes. That's a common strength thing was like, you know, biting things and being able to like, you know, hold a ton of weight in your mouth like that. And you figure out later, why is that such a popular thing? It was just, that's sort of like your last line of defense, right?

You know? Because you were showing off the strength of your teeth and your mouth and your neck. It required still. I know, but isn't that just of all the things that you could show off, strengthwise and all the muscles in the body. On the body, like, like, I know. That's just a weird one, right?

I have no idea. It's weird, but also if you think about it, I mean, it's a last thing to brace and support, you know. I guess it's very primal too, when you think about it. Of course. Yeah, I'm like, feel how tense that makes your entire body when you like clamp your jaw down. It was, it was an old school full wood chair.

And it was heaviest shit. I don't know how he did it, but he lit, and there's all these teeth marks on the back. And then it was like, That's funny. It was like six months ago, we're at my parents house. And my, so my dad now, he's got arthritis up and down his body.

He's got pain this and that, but it's still in his blood, right? He's still like, if he comes up, trust me, if he ever comes in here and visits 100% he'll go over to the kettlebells and he'll ask one of us which ones they have you as to try and do something It's just what he does. We were at my parents house and I was having him tell these stories to my son the apple doesn't fall far from the tree I know right He was telling my son. I know he did he probably break down to a wife beater, too

I know he did he probably break down to a wife, Peter too. So where'd a guy that'd fall over, bro? I would fall over. He doesn't wear lips. Pulse his wife, Pulse his shirt off down to a wife, Peter, then he goes and grabs the key hit him up.

Well, no, we were at my parents, and I was trying to get my sons, you know, interested in the spark, he could care less, but I'm trying to, you know, so he's telling these stories, and my dad goes, so he's got a heavy, like dining room chair. My dad says,

can you lift the chair from the bottom leg with just your arm straight, and my son's like, that's impossible, there's no way. So he's down there and he's trying to lift it or whatever. I go down there and I try to do it and I'm like, oh man, I'll strain something if I do it. And I said, dad, I don't think you should, because I know you're gonna try and do it.

I said, don't do it, your back hurts. I'm like, oh no, it's no big deal, I do right now. He fucking did it, he lifted it in the air. My son was like, his mind was like blown. So till this day, my son's anything that happens, my son's like, can no no do that? Did, uh, did the minicose say anything to you, but I've been razzin' him when he comes into two. Do you really? Does he have you said he has you said anything to you? No, not really. Uh, he's pretty good with that. He's so quiet. He comes in and he like, brooks into his plugs into his, uh, these level four. That's it. Well, 10, he's a four.

You can't, and that my goal, I'm not saying we'll bring him out of that. My goal since you said that is I'm always trying to get kind of a rise out of him and see if I can get like him to to gal or get some excitement out of him. It's you can't. Nope. So he's been coming in and every time it comes in and I know he's getting ready to train with Serene. And Serene doesn't know because I don't I don't talk to her

about this stuff very often. And obviously I'm sure because of the position that I have in mind pump and her working for us at the YouTube and doing so that she I don't know if she's picked up on it if I'm just kidding or being playful or not. So she'll come in after he's already been here or whatever and he's sitting down the couch and I'll say to her I said, Hey, you know, I was talking to Dominico and he was telling me that, you know, the workout sessions have been really easy.

And you can see like she's trying to process it like, oh really? And then he's over there like, and I thought I'd get him to like, no, no, no, he's just like, no, no, I didn't say that. Yeah, and then I think she's trying to process like, is Adam like critiquing my training? And we're like, yeah, inside I'm over here cracking up, so he's funny, but he can't get him to go beyond that. Bro, he could, he really could care less about that kind. I mean, he does it because I, I signed him up for it,

and you know, whatever, but he could care less. And I think that's part of that's good. He does not have any of the insecurities I had at his age. So I don't know if that was a good thing or bad thing. Maybe I should inject it a little insecurities in there. It is asked that we're kind of, you know, I mean, you just gonna say a real dark joke and walk away real quick, I got him.

No, but note, all joking aside, I was a real skinny kid and it really affected me. No, but he couldn't, he doesn't care. Yeah, because, well, that's not his thing though, right? But I mean, insecurity as a kid is just normal, right? So have you guys been able to identify that within your own kids? Like, do you know what they're like thing is

that they have to earn? So that was working out for you. That was that way for me, right? Because a skinny kid. But more than likely, that's not his, but there's something else. Do you know what that is? Do you know what you're adjusting? Yeah, I don't know.

We know it's pretty weird because he doesn't really show, I mean, he's gone on sports teams and played, even though he's got my athletic genetics, which means, you know, not great, but he'll go and do it. He'll do reports and stand and talk in front of the class. You know, his girlfriend's dad, I'm like, oh, he's gonna meet his girlfriend's dad, is he gonna be nervous?

No. He shook hands and talked economics. I'm like, what, you know? So, he's just kind of chill. It's hard to read, you know what it is? It's hard to read him. That's what it is. My daughter, she's still kind of young, but it hard to read, you know what it is? It's hard to read him. That's what it is. My daughter, she's still kind of young,

but it's everyone's small. She deals with the girl kind of drama, you know? She just doesn't tell me a lot. I think she tells her mom, but that's kind of normal. But I don't know. Why about you, Justin, do you see any? So, I mean, you mean like what they struggle with the most? Yeah, well, I mean, we all had insecurities growing up.

Everybody has insecurities. And as dads, dads I mean obviously mine's so young so Max hasn't this hasn't manifested yet but it will one day and you know and I obviously I want to be able to help him through that process. He has to go through it but I want to be able to guide him if I can as a father and so I'm wondering you guys being fathers with kids that are older. Yeah, I think of something I guess I would identify as more of like just trying to be liked by everybody too much. Like, you know, like in terms of being the life of the thing, if somebody, if one person is like annoyed with him, or it like just ruins his day.

Oh, I was talking like that. I would like to, like, the life of a dude. And everybody liking me. Yeah, so, dude. And everybody liking me. Yeah, so. That's normal. So, yeah, so Ethan's kind of like, he, because he's so outgoing and like wants everybody's attention, like he'll do stuff to just like, he's just, when nobody's looking,

he thinks like everybody's watching him, like everywhere we go. I'm like, do you know what he's checking you out? Right. Like you're fine, you can just be normal. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey can just be normal. Hey, you know, you take it down. He's a good kid too, he's a really sweet kid. Oh yeah, he's the best. But yeah, then ever it's more just like,

he's just so hard on himself, he just like keeps saying like negative like thoughts about like whatever it is he's doing, he's never good enough. I'm bad at this, right? Yes, this, I'm like, dude, you just smoked everybody. Like, and it's because one kid beat him. You know, it's so he's like, I'm, I'm just, I'm second, you

know, I'm where he gets that from. Oh, it's weird. It's weird. I have no idea ways outside just, you know, punching the shit out of a tether ball to his like whole arm is black and blue. And just because one kid beat them, you know, it's weird. Now, what would you guys say is yours? Make you guys be vulnerable right here? What you want to, what would you say is your, your biggest insecurity that you've had to work on the longest as even as an adult today? Like something that, we all have a lot, right? But there's, there's, there's ones like, there's ones that I could say that I had I've worked through and I think and I think I don't think they ever leave. I think they'll always revisit

But there's ones that I feel like I have you know Dare I say mastered I feel like I see them coming just change the relationship with it Okay, it's better way to say that because there's other ones that are still hard that you that you're you face with it And maybe you catch yourself even slipping into that pattern, so like that, do you guys know what those are for you? Do you recognize that? Well, the earlier ones was obviously the body image stuff, and I do feel like that's still kind of always there,

but I've definitely developed a much better relationship around it, where it used to really be a big problem. You know, now I would say the one that I'll always struggle with, I don't know if always, but I'll still struggle with, is just being, and this is probably common for parents who care, is being a good dad. I think, you know, you make decisions, especially when you make hard decisions. That's a good one for you, because you've shared about that off-air before,

and we've talked about it. It's just, you know, you do something, and maybe you punish your kid, or something happens, and then you, oh, shit, I should have done that better, or I didn't pay attention, and you're just questioning whether or not you do a good job. I should have done that better or I didn't pay attention. And you're just questioning whether or not you did a good job. I've heard lots of parents say that, you know, that's kind of a normal one. But that one's one that now, still I still kind of always, you know, try to work on.

Especially after I got divorced, that was a big one. You know, the guilt of putting my kids through that was something that I had to, you know, really work through. Yeah, I mean, it's, again, I mentioned those things because those are like two very good examples of what I've had to work through, you know, forever was just like the self-talk of like, I actually am really good at this and I acknowledge this about myself versus like, you know, sort of this chip on my shoulder that everybody thinks I suck and I have to work my way out of that. That's been a real weight on my back my whole life.

And between that and then, again, making sure everybody's cool and everybody's happy. And I struggle with that too. I just wanna, I avoid drama because certain environments grew up in, I just wanna, I wanna, you know, I just, I avoid drama because, you know, certain environments like I grew up in, like I just don't like that. You must enjoy it when Adam and I get in big ass organizations.

It's great. It's my favorite thing I should about this business and hanging out with you guys. He's sitting over there going, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck, I guess, you know, how do we get out of this? Here we go. I gotta turn it up. Do I gotta like, mellow it out?

What about you, Doug? I mean, is there anything for us to look forward to when we turn 80, is it all go away? Or what is it out? What about you, Doug? I mean, is there anything for us to look forward to when we turn 80? Is it all go away or what is it like up there? It doesn't all go away. I can guarantee you that. It doesn't ever go away. No, it doesn't.

I mean, Justin, I resonate a lot with Justin's type of issues, if you want to call him issues. Again, this whole thing about making everybody happy. I want everybody to be happy like. Again, this whole thing about making everybody happy, I want everybody to be happy, like me, that type of thing. Perfectionism has always been the thing that really dog me, and I had this standard. If it wasn't perfect or the best, it wasn't good.

It was, had to be the best or it was all or nothing. And of course, that would often times cause me to be paralyzed. I couldn't act because I wanted it to be the best. So I just couldn't do anything at all. That's standards impossible. Yeah, so I've had to let go of a lot of that, but I still have some of that hangs around.

But again, I can be very good at something and I still don't feel like, you know. And now, how good are you guys at catching it in the moment, like when it, or is it normally like something you still have to like go like, oh fuck today, I did this. You know, I feel like it fits in in secure. Or somebody has to tell you. I feel like if it's working on it,

it's almost never in the moment. It's always after. Like, oh, and you think about it after. You know, until you develop a good relationship with it, then you can catch it in the moment. But until that happens, I think you do shit and then later, why did I do that? I think if you can become aware of it

and then really kind of keep that awareness at the top of your mind, you can start identifying it at the time it's taking place. And then you have some tools to kind of let go of that and move forward. Yeah, when you work on it, you identify it more. And I think that it's got to be intentionally, like for me, I have to constantly like think about

how to improve, you know, personally on certain things. And then it's more obvious when it happens and you can like, you can address it as it's happening, but it takes like those reps to be able to do that in the moment versus later on like, you know, Doug's saying like, I will think about it later. I'm on, like, you know, Doug's saying, like, I will think about it later and be like, ah, you know, like, I wish I would have, like, done something a little bit differently with that.

What about you, Adam? You know, I agree with what Doug said that I do think that I can catch, not always, but I think I catch it real time. I'm aware of it when it happens because it still does and it's the success, money, and education thing for me. It's like, because I didn't go to college, because I came from not having a lot,

and that was a lot of where my drive came from. I still catch moments where, and it tends to happen when I'm with really educated people or really, really financially successful people, and I'm finding a group like that. I'll have this, which is totally out of character for me if I'm with you guys or people I'm comfortable with. I'll find myself inserting my accolades.

You're like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like no need to reveal my bank role or things that I've done and had success with. I get to prove that you're not like this. Like I would never do that in a normal conversation with a friend or people I know really well, but there are moments when I find myself in that environment. Because I don't have the education, because I have a different pathway towards success and everything like that, the thing that's the insecurity that's happening in my mind is that,

oh, these guys probably think I'm just some dumb tattoo gym guy and I'm not really smart, I'm not really successful. And so there's that part that rears its head and makes me want to say that stuff. And so in the past, it would happen and then later on that night, a bit, fuck, that was so stupid. Where now I actually can catch it. Like someone, they say something and I'm about to say it and I go, what in my head, I'm having that conversation going like, there's no reason for me to tell this person.

One, they don't care. Two, I'm gonna sound like a douchebag probably. And three, it's really just my insecurity. You know what it is also, because you can see it in other people. You ever talk to somebody and they just, they'll start doing that and you'll be like, oh, why, you know, you don't need to do that.

Oh, totally. They come down. So, you know what's funny? So, I never had it with money. That was never something that I was insecure about. But with the education, I was. Yeah. When I was around really highly educated people,

I would sometimes feel that way. Until I owned my wellness studio and the vast majority of my clients were extremely educated surgeons, doctors, or executives. And because I trained them so long, and I had developed this great relationship, and they would ask me lots of questions about nutrition, the human body.

I'd have surgeons asking me about muscle function and biomechanics, and then they would always compliment me and say things like, man, you're the, they would say things like, I can't believe you didn't, you know, go to college for this, or whatever, anyway, boosted my confidence and made me feel to the point where then it became cool. Like I can't, I hope they ask me,

you know, where I went to school because then I'd make something up and I'd say, you know, university of, you know, Google. It's an interesting dichotomy because there's these parts that you look at it and that's a great example of like, that's also something that probably drove you to being very intelligent and successful in that arena

because there's a part of it that was probably driven by insecurity. So it's hard, right? Sometimes the things that are our greatest insecurities are also our greatest motivators in getting us further ahead in life. And then it's like, now how do you balance that? How do you use that as a superpower, right?

Like Patrick by David talks about this and his next five moves that I talked about on the show the other day, like learning how to use that to power you for it, but then also being aware of it. So it does become just fun. So, you know, don't identify as it, you know, and recognize that it's a,

it does put a little bit of a chip on your shoulder, use that chip to use energy to propel yourself, but then don't identify as that. Very similar to like, you know, we have with people with body fat, right? So somebody who is, it's okay to look at yourself and know that you've put a lot of body fat on and your choices that you've done have got you there.

And so you have this motivation to fix that and change that your identity. But don't identify with it and see yourself as I'm fat. Totally. No, I made a lot of bad decisions in the past that got me to this place. I'm gonna use that as fuel to make the right decisions, and that can be very powerful,

but then being very careful to not identify with being the fat person. One of the greatest values I got out of training people was when you help other people with their insecurities with something that you are confident in, right? So I'm your trainer, I'm very confident in being able to help my client through their insecurities of being overweight

or not feeling worthy and all that stuff. And we talk about this on the show all the time. Helping them do that allowed me to self-reflect on my own. So it's like, it was so rewarding. The personal growth I got from training other people, I can't quantify it. It was tremendous. And the personal growth from a podcast, because you're talking about this stuff, it's being recorded, you could watch it later.

Imagine, okay, so you talked about times when you would sit down and talk to people and feel like you had to insert your success. Imagine if all that was recorded and you could just watch it later. Imagine, okay, so you talked about times when you would sit down and talk to people and feel like you had to insert your success. Imagine if all that was recorded and you could just watch it later. How obvious it would be. Oh yeah. Like talk about what a powerful tool. Oh, 100%.

That's what's it, Black Mirror had that, right? Or you could like recap all that stuff for the date of the year one. Hey, speaking of obesity and all that stuff, have you guys heard about this blockbuster weight loss drug? That is they cannot meet demand right now. I've heard about it. What's it called? The wigovie is the name of the I think the brand name of the drug. Is it legit? It apparently works. Okay, so so so here's the deal We're just a catch. I know there's always

Well, first of all no drug comes grow a tail You lose all your body fat, you make grow a tail. You also die. No, I, okay. All medications, all drugs are gonna come with their own, and they call them side effects, they're just effects, so but they're unintended or undesirable effects, right? They all have them.

But if you compare so far, so I've done my research on this, if you compare this drug to other weight loss drugs that have been approved, it blows them out of the water. It blows them out of the water. So the average weight loss for people who use this particular drug, and it's a once a week sub-Q injection, sub-Q being in the skin like insulin, right?

So once a week, 15% of their body weight lost. So it's like 30 pounds. Over the course of a year or two, it's a long-term drug, meaning you take it as long as you see value in it. It's not as stimulant like fenn fenn or anything like that. Now, side effects could be things like nausea and...

So what's the mechanism? What is exactly is going on? So it's an agonist for, I'm gonna pull it up. There's a hormone that it's attaching to the same receptors as a particular hormone called, let me look it up. It has to do with appetite? Yes. Yes. Is it like CLK then where you take CLK

and it's supposed to artificially trigger that to make you think you're full before your free time? Kind of. So it's a peptide hormone molecule known as semaglutide. So this was previously approved for diabetes, type 2-et diabetes. Now this new version is a once a week injection made for losing weight. So that's basically what it's for. And it's in the other ones where oral and you had to strict guidelines, this you can inject no big deal crosses the blood brain barrier

so what it does is it it agonizes or other way or in other words attaches to the glucagon like peptide one receptor Which is so it's a glucagon like peptide one receptor agonist So GLP1 is a hormone naturally released in the gastrointestinal tract in response to nutrient intake. So, it has multiple effects, including increasing insulin release from the pancreas, slowing down stomach emptying and targeting receptors in the brain that cause appetite reduction. So, the result is a sensation of satiety or fullness and it lasts a long time.

And again, the trials came out and it was so explained to me the difference between a peptide and a sarm. Like how are they similar and how they differ? Oh, sarm, so peptides are long chains of amino acids that can act on receptors. Sarm's are specific chemicals that are also looking to attach to receptors. I don't know the, I'm not like super privy on the chemistry.

Yeah, I'll take the layman dummy version. But I do know that. The difference, how would I, you communicate that to a client? I was like, hey, I'm thinking about taking these charms. I'm also thinking about taking this peptide.

What are you saying to those people? A charm isn't gonna cause 15% of your body weight lost and body fat on its own or body weight, right? A Sarm can help you build muscle, but you also down regulate your angiogen receptors to testosterone will drop, they're not approved yet. This was approved. Now check this out, okay.

In comparison to placebo, the placebo group, and by the way, both groups were told eat right and exercise, whether they did or not, whatever, but that's what they were told. Placebo group lost 2% of their weight, the people taking this particular drug, 15%. Now here's the crazy thing. The current existing anti-obstitum medications, which suck, a lot of them have terrible side effects, typically will result in about five to nine percent of weight loss, and this, or typically on average,

about five percent, this is 15 percent. It makes people eat less, which is really crazy, and it's this long term, so here's a deal. Now, are there side effects? Yeah, it can cause nausea, it can cause some gastric issues. If you're predisposed to, or can cause nausea, can cause some gastric issues. If you're predisposed to, or you have thyroid cancer, probably not a good idea, because it can cause that to accelerate, but so far they're saying it's safe. I think this is the first anti-obstitied

drug that has the potential to be widespread, like prescribed and used. Definitely doesn't take the place of just eating better and exercise. Of course. But when you're looking at an obesity epidemic like ours, I think this is going to be one of those drugs that's like just widely prescribed. Now, you're overweight. Here you go. Let's see what happened. Now, there's two sides of me that I see the investor side going, okay, I'm bought into what you're saying and probably smart drug to have stock in. But then I have the other side of me goes like, do I think that this really is going to

make a difference or make a real dent in the obesity epidemic? And that's the question I have for you guys is does something that potentially helps lose 15% body fat in a year. Body weight, body weight. Do you think that it's a long-term solution? Do you think it will help that many people, or do you think it'll just be another one of those drugs that bodybuilders use and stack into their cycles

because they will definitely take advantage of its benefits and put it to use. Based on the, so here's a deal. If it isn't, it's just about like controlling your appetite. I don't see that any other benefit of that, right? No. You're reducing calories. You know what happens when all you focus on is reducing calories.

Yep. So inevitably, you know, let's just slow your metabolism down. Well, no, you can't see. Here's a deal. To that point though, that was one of the things I actually thought that I was very pro about with the ketogenic diet or the carnivore diet was, I noticed my appetite was dramatically reduced, or at least me, that was my experience. I was not.

Yeah, but here's the difference. Here's the difference though. That requires you to make the decision. What I was trying to say is that there is value in that, right? There is some value in some, whether it be a drug or a way of eating that actually just have control. I think it is.

Right. If it can tamp down the, because you got to think that it. This just makes you eat less. Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah, if it doesn't make you eat differently. Right. So you can still eat the behaviors. It doesn't make you extra-

It's gonna be there. You can't compare it to changing your lifestyle, right? You can't compare that. But here's the reality, and this is the sad reality. Getting people to change, to permanently change their eating habits and to exercise consistently and regularly forever. This is one of the hardest uphill battles of all time. So will this drug make a huge impact? Yes, is it going to be as good as, I think, yes, it can make a huge impact. Is it as it gonna be as good as, I think yes it can make a huge impact. Is it as good as changing your lifestyle?

No, of course not, even close. But if you're looking at 15% reduction in body weight with obese individuals, will that start to save lives? Probably, I mean losing 30 pounds, even if you're just eating less, is better than nothing, right? That's what we're comparing it to, is nothing. Nothing to this.

Did they actually like survey the people and ask them like how they felt or did they have anything around that? Yeah, it's like I said, in comparison to the other drugs, it's got way less negative reports and side effects. They can't meet demand. The demand is so high.

Interesting. They're having supply. I never heard of it. Is that high already? Well, the company that owns the drug, Nova, is it Nova Nordisk? Okay. Their stock is now, I mean, since May, it's exploded, right?

Just got bought by Pfizer or weird. Yeah, no. But, I mean, it's wild. It's wild to look at. And of course, a drug that major appetite go down, that wasn't as stimulant, you know, that sounds like a medically speaking, that's probably gonna be,

people are probably like it, you know, it's probably gonna work. In that sense for a lot of people, but I don't think it's gonna solve the problem. The problem is far deeper than that. It's not just not, you know, eating less, we know that. We talk about it all the time. Anyway, pretty wild.

I full disclosure, I invested in the company because I saw what the drug was doing. I saw the potential and I said, okay, well, this could be a big blockbuster. Yeah, I mean, I'm in on that. I'm in on the business side of it. The reality of it, though, is I mean, I think it's people's behaviors that have to be changed. And if this helps, which I'm sure it will, there'll be something... And that's, you know, there's always exceptions to the role of stuff of that too. Sometimes like changing to this specific diet, it was all it took to get this person to fall into better behaviors. One emergency situation, right?

Like we had said that about like bariatric surgery and things that like people have done, you know, in terms of like a life threatening situation where we can help and intervene, you know, sure. But like, again, to the behavioral patterns and things, this doesn't address, no, for it to get FDA approved, this has had to been around for a minute as far as the, well, the drug itself,

it's gonna try, I don't think, yeah. But it was an oral version and it was for diabetes. This is now approved for weight loss as a once a week subcue injection. Oh, so were they giving this to Diabetic patients or early or every day every day. Yeah to help for years already. I don't know how many years But I know it was out. Oh, I wonder I see you need to see what the what the success was with yeah that for that long time I mean here's a deal, okay.

Viagra was invented to lower blood pressure, which it kinda does, but does Viagra make its money as a blood pressure medication? So, could it be a good diabetes medication? Sure, is that why they're gonna sell a shit ton of them? No, it's for the weight loss. People want a bunch of donors. Yeah, exactly.

Well, I have an interesting intervention that has nothing to do with like intervention pharmaceuticals. No, this is actually a parasite that we've actually heard, well, I've heard through a couple of podcasts, not sure like this is totally like fact checked or not, but fighters are going to like a Disney buying in Mexico. It's not quite on that level. It's a little bit more qualified than that to get toxoplasmosis.

What, why would they get that? Because of the aggressive nature and that, what is that? So toxoplasmosis isn't that found in cat, cat feces, right? And this is what, you know, I didn't really have to. Pregnant women have to stay away from it

because it affects the development of baby and born babies and it creates this sort of like what do you call it like a behavior where it's like you lose fear yeah you lose fear like everything is like super spontaneous like you you do all this erratic behavior. So rats or mice that get toxicoplasmosis to get attracted to urine of cats. They become attracted to cat urine. So they lose their examples in nature on this on a few things. Yeah, certain things are attracted to some that's basically going to kill them. Because that's the survival of the parasite. Because the rat then goes finds cats, isn't scared of them anymore. The cat eats it. Now you've got the life cycle of the parasite.

Same with the cornice sap, right? It's the mushroom that ants end up walking across and then it basically turns them into these zombies. They walk up. Yeah, they walk up to a ledge somewhere and the bird sees them and eats them and then the cycle goes on. Yeah, by the way, their sights are fascinating. By the way, why are people doing that? I must reduce their fear. It reduces fear, makes them more aggressive, like in terms of like not having any reserves

in certain, like polite to connection to the frontal lobe or something like that. What is it doing on the mechanism? That's interesting. Wow. I have no idea. You know, speaking of chorus apps, that was crazy. That is crazy. It like take willingly take parasites. You know what though? Is it really crazy? Like athletes do willingly crazy shit to themselves. No, it's just to win. That's why I believe it. That's why I don't think this is a Disney by-corphing. You know, this is more believable. Yeah, it's not that far from us. That's why I don't think this is a Disney-boy thing. This is more believable. Yeah, that's not that far from us. That was not believable when you said it.

I was like, no way. You totally chose me as a boy. Well, so to Cordoseps, you mentioned Cordoseps. You know, Cordoseps in nature has been shown to have some pretty potent anti-cancer effects. Well, a pharmaceutical company studied Cordoseps, found the portion or whatever of Cordoseps that has the anti-cancer effects, concentrated it, turned it into a pharma drug, so they tweaked it to make it more potent.

And it's not FDA-approved, they're in, I think, phase two trial or something like that, so far proving to be one of the most effective anti-cancer drugs that we've seen so far, based off of cordi-ceps. Now, is this in the real world or the Metaverse? You know, I'm practicing that because we're gonna have to start saying that in the future. You know that, right? Like, you're gonna have conversations. You'd be like, go, do I just kill this dude?

Like, literally like two days ago. You're here or you met him? You're alive or did you kill him in the Metaverse? I got a girlfriend. Yeah, yeah, right. Where? Yeah, where is she? She's a model in Canada.

She's a model. She's a model in Canada. She's a model in Canada. She's a model. I'm like, I use that one as a kid too. You've got to be able to do this. You've got to be able to do this. You've got to be able to do this. You've got to be able to do this. I remember I shot this by dab or whatever you do.

I found one on the ground. One time. I actually was trying to like pond that off. This is my model girl for the day. Yeah, and Seer all the time. She lives like up north. I'm like, wait a minute. I've seen her before at the Seer.

Don't you aid pitch frames. Really though, think about it for a second. Like this is around the corner for us where that is going to be, no, a normal thing to say and ask in a conversation. Was this in the real world or in Metaverse, where, which one was it? Like, could you tell someone a story about your day or something you did? Well, along this Microsoft call it something different though, because I know, uh, no, you look at it. Right.

So it's mesh. Oh, mesh is there. There mesh is there there's I thought that's not gonna stick The whole well, so and I think they both believe that they are not gonna be the ones that own it or dominate But they will both be a part of something even greater that has multiple legs. Think of the internet. Who owns the internet? Right, so that's how they envision it is not like, oh, you know, people that are thinking that right now, I would never be a part of the metaverse that Facebook owns with their private, it's like, they're not gonna own it,

they're just the first ones to start to integrate. Well, I heard some, we're already kind of doing, right? I heard some funny thing, I guess both of those platforms, they don't have, like, they have their avatars that you can construct right now, but they don't have legs. Oh, I guess both of those ploppers, they don't have, they have their avatars that you can construct right now, they don't have legs. Oh, I didn't know that. I don't have legs yet. I have no legs.

I don't know. I just thought that was interesting. What? They do everything but legs. Instructed that, yeah. Makes no sense. So I had a conversation with my son today about NFTs. Oh yeah.

So he says, what do you think about NFTs? Oh, that's so funny. He said that because we just talked about it or no. No, he brought it up himself. Oh, right. Yeah, says, what do you think about NFTs? Oh, that's so funny. He said because we just talked about it or no No, he brought it up himself. Oh, right. Yeah, we were talking we were listening to that podcast all in by the way Freaking amazing podcast. Yeah, and they were talking about something and then my son said what do you think about NFTs? I said to be honest with you at first I thought it was stupid But then I realized how much? Money people spend on like a skin in world of warcraft or you know some like rare acts in Minecraft

or whatever. I said that's essentially the same thing and I said and we're spending that purchases are crazy. Yeah. When we're spending all of our time in the metaverse, now it makes sense that you're going to buy a rare item and it's an NFT and it's going to be in your metaverse house or on your you know avatar. It makes perfect sense.

The irony will be the shift from the real to the unreal one. Okay, let's say right now you buy your clothes, right? That normal clothes, obviously. But if you spend now 80% of your time in your room plugged into this thing, will you just end up buying a pair of cheap gray sweats and a white t-shirt, and that's the only outfit you wear, but then you spend thousands of dollars on fake outfits inside. Think about that. And then think about the companies, like Viori. Like, is Viori gonna have to, do they have to start thinking right now,

oh wow, we need to create Viori NFT, or else what's gonna happen is, our business is gonna start to die. And we keep the care less about. Do you think too, as they get crazier with the designs in the meta, in terms of like your outfits and whatnot, you may see a reflection of that in the real world.

Of course. So you get a wild outfit that takes fire or whatever, and then some person in the real world decides to just make that's an interesting one. Movies were big screen movies, dominated money spending and entertainment. Video games surpassed them, I don't know, 10 years ago. Video games make more money.

Video games now make movies. Video games influence movies and influence culture. The metaverse. Great example. The metaverse will influence the real world and at the very least think about how brilliant of a way to market your clothes. If you're spending all your time in the metaverse,

you're gonna, where are you buying? Nike, Viori, you know, you're gonna buy. I think Viori was already on top of this. I just bought some meta pants. So, what a good point, dude. Those are my favorite, hey, those are my favorite pants. Maybe Joe's way ahead of the curve, dude. Did you know, by the way, you know, the 400 million

that they got from Softbank, that was a no-pitch presentation. That was Softbank saying, we wanna give you guys 400 million. Oh, shit, I did not know that. $4 billion valuation they got. And you know what the quote was, and this makes me annoyed because we were not in on this, we weren't there fast enough. Most of that money, the quote was to go to the early investors.

So when people first invested in Viori, I bet you made like 50 times their investment, which is insane. Wow. Billion dollar valuation. Wow. I mean we what were they when we first came up when we were with them. They were they were valued at what 50 60 million maybe it was under a hundred. I know that that's it was under In fact, we have the interview where I think I might have directly asked him I don't know if I did you remember Doug if I just I don him? I don't remember. I know I talked to him when he was in here about it,

and I know they were under a hundred. I don't remember exactly where they were at, but I think we might have been speculating about exactly where they were. It was under a hundred for sure. I mean, I tell you what, dude, good eye for you for really catching on it, because they're so good to go from where they were

to where they're at now. You know that, you know what profitable they were? It was early on. This was one of the reasons why SoftBank was so awesome about it because they see that there's this extremely profit oftentimes when they invest, it's potential, right? Oh, we're still in the red, but here's the projections. Profitable all the way through, very well run,

very smart, and of course the products are really good. I can't take all the credit for that. I mean, that was definitely a tailor assist when he was here for sure. That was one of the qualities about him that I really liked was, I was better about that when I was younger. I'm just not. I'll be the first to admit that I know I'm an old guy who wishes he was a still in style. I get it, you know what I'm saying.

So fuck you if you're one of those people that like to point point that out or was that like that's why I went classic very Very weird stuff. Okay very aware of this. Yeah I'm so aware of it that I hired somebody who was better than I was at that But I that I could connect with and was like oh that is so me when I was 20. Yeah, like scooping you into my world And I resist the whole man, but no'm saying they don't work out for you. No, no, no. Yeah, but that was, I mean, I just remember being a young guy like that, who, I mean, I was on all, I mean, back then it was like magazines, right?

I was, I had all the latest magazines and was always on the up and coming, like, new company that was hip or doing something different or had it in like, I was, I loved, you loved finding that stuff first. Like, people get a, he and Taylor was like that. Taylor prided himself. You never, he never wanted to be the guy who was rocking what everybody else was. I wanted to be the guy just like he was,

who found something that nobody was rocking yet. I wanted to be the first one to rock it within my group. And then everybody else falls into it later. And you're like, yeah, that's right. I was the first person that you know that brought that around. So I can't take the credit for that. He for sure found a Viori and brought it to me.

And of course I accepted and said, hell, yes, I love this. It's good. They're amazing. You know, speaking of $400 million, I was reading an article this morning. I'm listening. Yeah, Rob Girdick. Yes, something for us.

For, he's worth $400 million to. Oh, good for him, man. And the articles, yeah, he has, he's like one of those dudes that I would totally love to hang out with. There was an art, the art out. Yeah, call it whatever you want. Just chat, whatever. He just seems like, okay, all right, so here's a good conversation

around that. Like, when you guys see ultra famous, successful, or rich people, what are you typically attracted to as far as wanting to hang out with them? Like I see. Right? Like what characteristics do you see? There's lots of, you know, millionaires.

Oh, I like, I like, so I'm an Elon fanboy for that. And it's because he Bucks the the mainstream. Mm-hmm. He's weird which and super to intelligent So I feel like if I sat down with him for a few hours It would be one of the best conversations of all time. Yeah But again, he's just he's an innovator, but he doesn't he's just doing his own thing and he kind of doesn't care If what he says or does is popular. I mean the guy sparked up a joint and is stock plummeted because of it, unrogan, and he was unapologetic about it. And that's really cool.

No, I agree with that. For me, it's always the people that are so famous but are just to have zero fuck still. And a Bill Murray or somebody like that has always been one of my, I would just love to hang out with that dude, just because, you know, it's like, you get so many eyes on you,

you take all that in, but at the same time, you're still yourself and you're just like, yeah, whatever, this is like, I'm Bill Murray, dude, I do what I want. Like I just walk into a party, say what's up, you know, it's like, there's no like all this, like, oh, get away from me. And you know, like these only celebrities

that think they're so narcissistic about it. Yeah, no, I agree with that. The article was talking about how in 2016 that investors called him uninvestable because he was just some skateboard punk kid. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, there's no, don't put any money behind it. This is all, he's ideas and stuff.

Underestimated, right? Yeah, talk about making the wrong decision there, guys. Worth $400 million. But I think it's along the lines of what you just said right now, is that he seems to me and I don't know because we don't I don't know him Personally, right we know drama and he speaks highly I think it's cool like you'd be a cool person You know, I'm glad you said that though. It's true. You don't know you don't know these people. Yeah, I don't right Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what made me think of that is that remember I went on that little rant about the neighbor who is you know rock in the

Fouchy sign I trust them, remember, I went on that little rant about the neighbor who is, you know, rocking the Fauci sign. I trust him. Yeah, I trust him. And you let him, you know, babysit your gym. I've seen all these other things. Yeah. You're just going to be real careful with that. Like, I don't know what the guy does behind closed doors, but what he projects that I see,

I tend to like. He seems real. He seems the same guy that when he was making no money live with his parents over in Ohio or wherever he's from He's the same as the guy who makes 400 million. That was one of the things I loved about Robin big Was I remember watching that show going like oh man if I ever made it with my buddies and we made a lot of money like this is how I'd want To fun factor That's still like if if there's a one more Grew it spent money. There's one more dream left in mind pump.

It would be to build like a mind pump factory. Like I would still, it would be a lot different though. It would have like, yeah, it's just chairs. No, no. I'd recline her. Yeah, it definitely would have a 50 foot rampant. No, no, no, no. For sure it would have like an Ollie kicklips.

A fucking nail salon in there instead. Before I put a 50 foot rampant there these days. and these are the four recliners that we sit on You take a nap and this is the That's amazing. Here's the hair nice thing Doug would you be down to build something like that or what I would okay? Okay, let's do it. Okay. Oh, I like this. I like that everybody's on the same page on now. Did you just say everybody? I did it. It's close. It's close. I It's not record now. I misunderstood. Sometimes I underestimate your closing soul now. That was slick. Yeah.

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So theoretically having bigger muscles will make you stronger. However, a huge component of strength is skill and the way your muscles work together. So in other words, if you practice squatting and really get the form and the technique down, you can squat more weight without necessarily building bigger muscles. On the other side, you can train in a way to where you're really just focusing on the muscle, and the contraction, and the feel, not squat more weight, but get bigger leg muscles.

You see bodybuilders do this all the time, but they are connected. Power lifters have understood now for a while that, although their goal is to lift as much weight as possible, if their muscles get bigger, that potential is much higher. So it's not like they're avoiding hypertrophy for just for strength. And of course bodybuilders also, they know that adding weight, of course to a certain extent, but adding weight naturally increases the tension on a muscle and is a better signal

oftentimes for bigger muscles. Yeah, strength is specific to this stimulus applied. And so that's what, like some of the videos that I remember it was kind of fun to watch because I used to think that just a big jacked guy was, had to be like the strongest guy in the gym. And then you'd see just this kind of hard work and guy that was like a little bit, you know, how to gut and was just, you know, looked like, you know, had big forearms or whatever, but was really understated with just outlift the guy all day long for specific

lifts. And so you see videos of bodybuilder versus power lifter versus cross-fitter versus it. And it's like, you can see what their strengths are, you know, relative to what they practice the most. Great. Great point. That's sort of like how I started to look at it. Yeah, here's a good example. Champion power lifter versus a champion Olympic lifter. Both incredible strength athletes, who's stronger

depends on what we're asking them to do. If I'm saying let's do a snatch, the Olympic lifter's gonna crush the power lifter. If I'm saying do a deadlift, then or a bench press, then the powerlifter is probably going to win. So there's a huge strength component. And there's also how you fire the muscles. Like here, you know, and this is a fact,

you take the average person and you give them caffeine and they will be a few percent stronger. What's what happened, right, in that moment? Did their muscles grow? No, their central nervous system is firing a little harder they're stimulated and They're able to fire more juice to the muscle to lift more weight But their muscles actually weren't any bigger in that particular moment so but What does this mean for the person watching right now?

What should I train for well if your goal is to look good and be healthy for a long period of time both They both have lots of value. They both contribute to each other too. It's, it's, it means nearly impossible to build strength and not build some muscle. Right. Right. And it's nearly impossible to build muscle and not build any strength. There's some outliers where you see some extreme examples of it, but you're going to get a little bit of both.

And extreme examples would be comparing the, the would be comparing the bodybuilder who just won Mr. Olympia compared to the guy who just won World Strongest Man, and they probably look nothing like each other. But both have a lot of muscle mass on them for sure, because you're not gonna be the world's strongest guy in the world and not have a bunch of muscle. I've always been really impressed with people that don't look like they should be as strong as they are. It's always really impressive to me. We just talked about this.

Mike Selimmi's like that. We just talked about this. We talked about Mike Selimmi and then who was the other example that we gave? We gave two examples of friends of ours. I don't remember, but he's a great example. You just would never guess. Oh, what's his name?

Jordan's Tiet. There you go. Yes. Jordan's Tiet is that way too. You just, you look at him and you never, and that's not, I don't mean that to be an insult at all. No you go. Yes. Yeah. Jordan's side is that way too. You just you look at him You never and that's not I don't mean that to be an insult at all. No, he's fitting everything Yeah, he's a thick guy, but he doesn't look like he did live six around he yeah He deadlifts way more than I did left it. I looked like I should be old and dead live more than him

So I think that's just impressive when you see somebody like that Yeah, it always stands out in the gym. I haven't seen it very often But there's been a couple times where I see a dude load a bar and I think to myself, he's gonna hurt himself. And then I see them lift it and I'm always like, how did that guy bench five plates? He looks like he weighs 170 pounds

or I've seen a guy deadlift almost seven plates and I swear to God, he weighed like 160 pounds or something like that, which was just insane. There's this guy on, it was Stan Lee's, I think it was like super humans, I think, is super humans. And so he was able to find sort of really unique people out there that had like gifts in certain directions, right? And so there's a guy there

that just looked like an average guy. And he was able to, I was like deadlift, almost like 900 something pounds. And like he actually had this one feet of strength where he was holding on to a rope and I think it was like when those ninja bikes was like you know full throttle like trying to pull and so they estimated the amount of force you know it took to be able to hold the bike in place and it was just

insane like a feet of strength. Yeah,, so how do you train for strength? Typically, of course, lower reps, compound lifts, longer rest periods, really focusing on the technique of the lift, really focusing on the skill, and of moving the weight in a stable controlled manner. How do you focus on building bigger muscles, focus on the muscle, the contraction, the feel, the squeeze, reps are a little bit higher.

But again, they both, there's so much crossover that you want to do both, even if you're in a sport that only focuses on one, right? Even if you're just a bodybuilder, you'll benefit from some strength training. And if you're just a strength athlete, you'll benefit from some of that bodybuilder. Well, I think that's the biggest takeaway from this conversation is you get people that identify with one or the other and then they don't venture into the other modality of training, right? So if you're somebody who all you care about is strength, you're missing out if you don't train like a bodybuilder sometimes.

And if you're a bodybuilder and you never train like a strength athlete, you're missing out. And I think that's most common what I see. And we're all guilty of that, right? Like I identify as more of this type of a, you know, lifter athlete, whatever you wanna call it. Therefore, I don't do XYZ lift and I don't care about this because I'm not that,

but the truth is they both contribute to both sides. Next question is from L. Squy. Should a seated dumbbell shoulder press be done at a slight incline or at 90 degrees? Oh yeah, I don't know why they're asking this. Yeah, you know, okay, so you'll see body builders often do an overhead dumbbell shoulder press and the bench is not straight up.

It's at a slight incline. And that's because they don't have great shoulder mobility. That's really what it is. It's compensation. They don't have the ability to really get that full extension at the top. Are they both hitting the shoulders? Yes. But if you can't press directly up over your head, you should be doing things that get you to that point because that is expressing

that full shoulder mobility. I would say, in some studies that show this, that good full range of motion under control tend to build more muscle than shorter ranges of motion. Of course, all things being equal, right? You should be able to do it. So don't hurt yourself. But you should be able to press straight up over your head and not have to be at this kind of, you know, slight incline. So that's basically it. Yeah, that being said, and 100% agree with you that that is what's going on. And you can always tell you walk by and you see someone doing a dumbbell press like that.

They'll either be at the slight incline or they'll have this massive arch where they actually, like, I mean, I'm doing it themselves. Yeah, I remember I'm watching my buddies would scoot their butts at the end of the thing and then just their upper back is against the bench and it's like, damn, I mean, they may as well be on an incline. Right. Now, that being said, it doesn't mean though you can't mean though, because I'll do this every once in a while, and I have the shoulder mobility to do it where,

I'm like, oh, I'm doing shoulders today and chest, and so I'm gonna do something in the middle there where it's more of, it's not a full, like your traditional 45 degree incline bench press. It's more, I don't know what degree I would say that is, it's more like at a 60 or a 75 degree angle. So it's a lot more like, you know, I don't know what degree I would say that is it's more like at a 60 or a 75 degree angle So it's a lot more shoulders and I'm doing shoulders that day But I'm also doing upper chest and so and I never really do that

So I'll include it every once in a while So if that's your desired outcome, there's nothing wrong with doing that But when you see it like to your point it's mostly because people can't do a straight up, you know, 90 degree press. Of course, also, I like the Viking press and, you know, the stuff of the land, landmine as well, just because of the amount of force that's, you know, the directional force, I can actually push the weight and get full extension so I'm up, but also it's not quite as demanding on the shoulder joints specifically, it's not all the forces aren't straight down.

Yeah, because of the way the angle of the bar actually is a little lighter at the top and you can move your body forward, you can move your body forward, I think that's a great way to kind of transition you into it's a good point. Direct overhead load. Oh yeah, that or a Z-press. I mean, think that's a great way to kind of transition you into, it's a good point. You know, like direct overhead load. Oh yeah, that's a Z-press.

I mean, to me that's, so a Z-press, so you have to. Right, I would either do a Z-press or what I actually started to do when this, I became aware, because I was guilty of this, right? I was guilty of being this bodybuilder guy who did the arching his back like crazy. So I didn't do overhead press lot.

As I became aware of that and started to work on the mobility and address it, one of the things I would do if I sat at a 90 degree bench to do a shoulder press, I'd actually take my back off the bench. So instead of just your hips around. Yeah, so that I have to, my core has to stabilize me and I get full extension. And that way, if my back is touching, then I'll scoot in a arch. I'll cheat because it's there.

Whereas if it's not there and I have to stabilize, I'm kind of creating a Z-Press. You know, it's funny when I was a kid, I noticed that if I focused on really getting straight up at the top, I'd get like a way better shoulder pump, right? And it's because you have to stabilize more and all that stuff. So you know what I actually did, I used to work out with one of my cousins

and we would sit, I had a bench that was adjustable and I let you do that. But then you'd find yourself as the reps went on that you'd slide your butt with slide forward as you started to cheat. So we would take a canvas belt. Remember those belts used to wear that I made at a canvas?

Strap yourselves with a bench? Around the bench on your way. I sort of got it. This was my solution when I was 15. That's awesome. But did it work because you couldn't slide forward? And it actually worked. It got you a really horrible ride.

And we dropped the weight. We'd have to go weight lighter with the weight, but I got a way better shoulder pump. You know those hoist machines are cool that do that too. You guys have been on those ones, are you sit on it? And when you press, it moves. Yeah, moves you. So it kind of gives you that, yeah, yeah, it kind of gives you the Viking press feel in

a seated position on the way the hoist machine works. Speaking of shoulder presses machines, one of my favorites is the hammer strength, where you kind of lay it back, but the handles go back. I'm a fan of hammer strength. Yeah, I actually like that one, but you know what, I have never used anything that I like

as much as the Viking press. I mean, no affiliation or anything like that. That's the best shoulder machine ever. It's crazy to me that, I mean, we've talked before in the show about, you know, things that we find that are new or things last. Like that's one of the most recent things that kind of blew my mind, right? That is the most recent.

I've been lifting for a long time and I just recently started to use a Viking press and it was mutually we're all in love with it. It's so complimentary too to overhead press. I can't really get a sponsor on that. Yeah, I can't really get a sponsor on that. You should just agree with me. Can you want to you to find a company that you really like that makes them? I tried.

Maybe now that we're saying podcast. Contact us. Well, let's put it out there. Yeah, that's right. If you. Maybe now that we're seeing a podcast. Contact us. Well, let's put it out there. Yeah, that's right. If you make a Viking press, I want to sell your Viking press. So let's work out a deal. Next question is from Jalen S. Four.

In your opinion, is it harder for the average person to gain muscle without gaining fat or lose fat without gaining muscle? Yeah, lose fat without losing muscle. It's got to be one of the hardest things to do. Gaining muscle without gaining fat is really a process of just am I eating the right calories, am I sending the right signal, and you can do this. Boy, losing fat without losing muscle

can be really frickin hard because it requires a calorie deficit which sends this overall signal to the body that says, you probably shouldn't speed up your metabolism. You probably shouldn't add this active tissue that is burning more calories. In fact, we should pair it down so that we could offset this calorie deficit. So in my experience, that one's really so much more hard, so much more touchy-go. Now, if you're talking about a beginner, well, you're less motivated to, you know, in that direction.

Yeah, I don't fully agree. I don't fully disagree either. Let's hear the other side. Well, the other side to me is that this is where the genetic factor plays such a huge role, is that I think that the grass is always greener on the other side. I think, and this is where I remember I talked a while back

when we talked about semano types, and I said, this is one of the things why I like the semano type conversation still is because I do think that for certain body types It's much easier to put muscle on and it's much more difficult for that person to you know lose body fat and the vice vice versa for the other person Right, so I think it just you're like my clients that were endomorphs I think it just, like my clients that were endomorphs, man, we touched the weights, we had a little bit calories and they just pile in the muscle. Ask them to lose body fat and it's like,

you know, the most difficult equation for them. It's just so hard for them to do that. And then the opposite is true with my skinny guy who was trying to build muscle. It's so hard for them to build muscle, but they look at a treadmill and body fat comes off. So I feel like I can make the case that both are equally difficult based off of your genetics

and where you see this. Well, here's a strategy that I've always employed for gaining muscle without gaining body fat. It's very easy one. It's just gets stronger. And you don't even have to change your calories or you bump them a little bit. And you'll oftentimes see some muscle gain without fat gain.

Now the more advanced you are, the more challenging this guy. Yeah, as I said, that's less likely with you being advanced. Yeah. Now fat loss without losing muscle, wow, that's hard. That is really hard to do. Now, if you're beginner, I see it all the time. I get a new client in the first three months, I would always see muscle and fat. You know, muscle go up and fat come down simultaneously.

But later on, that is a really tough thing to do because cutting calories is telling your body to adapt, slow down your metabolism. The most effective way to do that is to pair muscle down. Definitely not gain muscle while you're doing that. So, that's the one that I would say is gotta be the most challenging because I've done it many times with clients to get them to gain muscle without gaining body fat, to lose fat without losing muscle. Oh, man, that can be really hard. Well, I mean, the truth is they're not technically doing that simultaneously. What's happening is they have a couple days in a row where muscle is being built because

they've ate a, the right amount of calories in order for them to build. And then they have a couple days where they're actually probably a little bit in a deficit because they moved a little more or ate a little less. And so then the body pairs down some body fat. And so it looks like the building muscle while not putting fat on is easier, but the truth is you're never really doing both of them at the same time. It's just, and again, it goes back to behaviors, which one's easier for people. And that's why I feel like I can kind of make the case for.

It really just depends on what body type you are that one is probably harder than the other based off of that. And I'm sure there's people that are listening right now that can identify with that like sure I don't know about what South saying. I'm definitely feel like this is much harder so it really depends on you but I would bet a majority would be what I said but yeah there's always gonna be variances but that's yeah Next question is from Andy Penson How do you deal with the weird looks you get doing the mobility sessions in map performance? Why does no one do walking or moving exercises normally? Did we, I didn't ask Aaron Alexander.

Did we put, I did a post like way along the go, I don't even know if it's still on there of doing froggers in the gym. I did a video, I was teaching it. Did we program that in a mouse performance? Do you know froggers? Froggers are in the mobility. Is it in there? Okay, so yeah, that one looks really weird

because it'll go your hump in the floor. Yeah, and it just, you know what? I tell you what, some of the best results I ever got working out in the gym was when I stopped caring about what everybody, always. When I cared so much about what people thought when I was working out, I would do the wrong lifts, I'd train too intensely, add too much weight,

didn't do certain exercises because I wasn't good at them, so I don't want to use lightweight on them, and it was so stupid. And I had lots of clients that would have challenges with this, I feel intimidated by working out, and I'm a new beginner. And you know, it's funny working in gyms, I realize nobody cares.

Nobody really gives a shout out to them. Not only that, but I also think that when you're the one person who's doing the different shit than everybody else, I think if you look like you know more than everybody else. Yep. Everybody else has fallen each other. A bunch of parents have been doing it.

Yeah, copying each other. And so, like, this is happening every time. And so, yeah, I have a different attitude towards this because this was something that was pretty funny because when I was on my own in training, like, there wasn't a lot of other gyms that I could, you know, take my business to. And so the closest gym was Gold Gym. Gold Gym, everybody knows, pretty hardcore, like bodybuilding stuff, right? You know, you're gonna be a functional guy, right? And I'm doing all these,

like, crazy mobility moves. And so, you know, I'd get all the looks and the scoffs and the, you know, big bodybuilder. looks and the scoffs and the big bodybuilder. And then they're starting to ask me about it. Why are you doing that, your clients, bro? And so I was doing like crazy stuff, like I would do like inch worms and things like in the middle where everybody had to walk in. And I'm just like, dude, not giving any,

so that's all I was. I feel the same way too, because I feel like, of course you do know, and I do know. So like if you train with that confidence that you know what you're doing, then I actually feel like you look like the guy that knows more than everybody else, because you're the guy who's doing something that everybody else, and everybody goes over to the mirror who does bicep curls.

Everybody goes to the bench press and does bench press, but how often do you see somebody do a Turkish get up off the floor and do it with good form? I use the deadlift in the late 90s when nobody deadlifted. as bench press, but how often do you see somebody do a Turkish get up off the floor and do it with good form? You know, I used to deadlift in the late 90s when nobody deadlifted and members would stop me. I'm a general man. You hurt your back. Yes.

Members would stop me. What do you do? You know, here's my advice. First off, you're there to train yourself. So remember that, not there for anybody else. So who cares about anybody else? So that's number one. Number two, here's a couple of things you could do.

And I've advice clients with this, people who really had issues with being intimidated, wear glasses and wear and cover yourself up. If you go to the gym in sweats, a hoodie, headphones and sunglasses, you're in your own space, do your own thing, nobody gives a shit. It actually does change kind of that internal vibe.

And sometimes I would do that even on my own because I like to be in my own space and pretend like, well, it's just me. Everything but the sunglasses, I used to train like that. That was especially during competitive time where I don't want any distractions. I don't want to talk to anybody. I would be fully hoodyed out and big headphones on and head down like I just want to be in the zone only bothered by anybody. But your best results are going to start to happen when you stop caring about that. It's all about you, how you feel, what works for your body,

stop worrying about anybody else, and I promise your results will be much better versus when you're really concerned about everybody else. And you can, by the way, working in gyms for as long as I have. I mean, you can not only see, but you can smell the people who come in, who care what everybody thinks. It's can smell the people who come in, who care what everybody thinks.

It's like the girls that would come in, perfume would just stink up the whole jam and full on makeup and they got the next. They got the next. No, they know what they're doing. Yeah, dude. Or they got trash about. They might appreciate them. Yeah, right.

Right. Yeah. Or the guy that's like, you got to make sure I load up this trap bar machines. Everybody knows how much I could. You know, it's like, all right, dude. Nobody really cares. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody cares. Look, if you like our information, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our free guides. They can help you with a lot of your fitness and health goals. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So Justin is at MindPump Justin.

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