Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1686: The Benefit of Training With Only the Big 4 Lifts, Broscience That Actually Works, How to Know You Are Training Too Much & More

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

In this episode, Sal, Adam & Justin discuss doing only the big 4 lifts with no other accessories, what broscience still holds true today, how to know when you're training too much for your goals, and ways to deal with protein farts? Mind Pump Fit Tip: Frequency, volume, intensity, and their inverse relationship when it comes to your workouts. (4:59) How Ned’s new product, De-Stress, has antidotally helped Sal with his recovery. (11:53) Not all movies are what they portray to be. (19:54) The guy’s on the technology in the latest 007 film. (22:06) Rail guns are cool. (24:00) Mind Pump speculates on the future of Disney’s Metaverse. (25:45) The keys to happiness. (30:15) Adam’s 40th birthday bonanza! (32:43) Justin wants a radical shark vehicle. (40:28) Butcher Box’s bacon is legit! (42:42) Do you believe the hype around Chinese real estate, crypto, and NFTs? (46:00) #Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on doing only the big 4 lifts with no other accessories? (57:16) #Quah question #2 - What broscience did you do in the past that still holds true today? (1:03:42) #Quah question #3 – How to know when you're training too much for your goals? (1:10:28) #Quah question #4 – What are some ways to deal with protein farts? (1:13:35) Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Anywhere and the Fit Mom Bundle – Both 50% off! **Promo code “NOVEMBER50” at checkout** Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Finch | Apple TV+ No Time to Die (2021) - IMDb Disney CEO: We’re Ready for a Metaverse Future – The Hollywood Reporter #1732 - Ben Shapiro - The Joe Rogan Experience Harvard professor says ‘winning a $20 million lottery won’t make you happier in life’—but these 4 things will Seabreacher X - SeabreacherSeabreacher Testing the Seabreacher X Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! 'Ghost towns': Evergrande crisis shines a light on China's millions of empty homes Dutch Tulip Bulb Market Bubble - Overview, History, Impact Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Strong | MAPS Fitness Products - Mind Pump Media Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP10” at checkout** Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee)  Instagram Tom Bilyeu (@tombilyeu)  Instagram Craig Capurso (@craigcapurso)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered some questions that listeners and viewers just like you asked us on our Instagram page, mine put media on Instagram. And before we did that, we did an intro portions. We were talking about current events.

We bring up scientific studies. We talk about our sponsors. Today's intro was 51 minutes long. After that, we got to answering those questions. So here's what went down in today's podcast. We opened up by talking about frequency, volume, and intensity. That was a fit tip for today.

All of them have an interesting relationship with each other when it comes to your workouts. Then we talked about the new product from Ned called D-Stress. So it's a full spectrum hemp oil extract, but it's high in CBD and high in CBG, which helps your body relax, calm down. It's good for inflammation. It's good for gangster.

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Yes, spoiler. Then we talked about some of the cool technology in the most recent 007 movie. Then we talked about rail guns and how cool they are and scary they are. Oh, they're badass. Then we speculated about the metaverse in particular Disney's metaverse. I talked about an article that talked about the keys to happiness, hint, it's not money, believe it or not.

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this person wants to know what bro science do we continue to do today? Bro science refers to the stuff that bodybuilders will recommend in the past. But didn't really have any scientific support. Is there any value in some of that stuff? The next question, this person wants to know, how do you know when you're training too much for your goals? And the final question, this person wants to know some ways to deal with protein farts. Yes, I said that, protein farts. Also, all month long, we have some sales going on, some of our workout programs.

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All right, so today's fit tip, frequency, volume, and intensity. There's an inverse relationship between all of them. In other words, one goes up, oftentimes, one of the others, or both of the others, has to go down, right? Thoughts gentlemen on that. Is it oftentimes or is it always? You know, I would say probably almost always, right? Unless the total combination is okay if one goes up and the

others stay the same, but that's where the case, right? Yeah, the only case where I'd say that's not true, 100% of the time would be maybe with a beginner and you started them really low and you're kind of increasing everything at the same time, right? That makes sense. I start somebody one day a week, they're only doing two sets per muscle group

and that was, we did that for three weeks, let's say, and then I feel like they're progressing well sets per muscle group and that was, we did that for three weeks, let's say. And then, I feel like they're progressing well. And now I go to two days a week and I'd basically double everything. Increased frequency, increased volume, right? And maybe even potentially intensity. So about the only time I could think where that rule is not 100%. Yeah.

So in other words, it's like, volume would be like the total amount of work that you're doing, right? Frequency is how often you train or how often you train a body part and then of course intensities how hard you work out and if you work out harder Then typically you have to lower your volume or frequency or if you add a bunch of sets Typically you have to kind of reduce the intensity a little bit, or if you start working out each body part more often, you know, same thing, I wish I really understood this when I was younger.

I did not fully grasp this as a young, you know, lifter. Well, you really see the science of this with the Olympic lifters, right? And I think that's probably the best example out there of like a really thorough-studied way to train that has like a specific type of progression with that. And they always tend to train with a lower intensity, higher frequency, higher volume. And then they express the intensity like solely on its own to, you know, see what that's

produced strengthwise. I learned a lot from watching Olympic lifters later on. I normally didn't even pay attention to them because they weren't bodybuilders or power lifters. And then I said, you know, they're the most studied strength athletes, at least scientific studies. Let me see how they train. And I had no idea that they trained as often as they did,

but at sub maximal intensities. They would train with far lighter weight than what they could potentially lift, but they would do it so often. I mean, you also see it with gymnast, too. If you're expressing that much intensity, you can only do that for short bursts, to be effective and have that kind of control over your body.

I mean, it's just one of the things, even if you go through it and you try to kind of like, just blaze your way through the intensity and keep as high as you can, you're only going to go so far. Is there a simple and practical way that you guys without having to like track this? Because this could be difficult for, I mean, I failed at this for many years. Yeah, I'd say the way you did, the way you've talked about in the past is one of the better ways. I don't think there's a perfect way though, right?

But you know, what was yours? You did like sets times. Yes, times reps, times weight equals total volume. Total volume, which is maybe accurate. Yeah, that's a great formula there for people. Yeah, put that up there. And then where it gets a little weird is where people, like when you talk about compound movements and then somebody going, well, is that,

do I add that on the tricep? Is that, or is shoulders are involved there too? Plus not every exercise is equal. Yeah, and so kind of a generic way that I did it, right? It's not perfect, but I'm always trying to think of like, okay, if you're telling this to the general population, let's be real, how many people are gonna sit down and track and write down every single thing

like that and measure and calculate? I know. Yeah, I know there's not. So I would take like the big five, you know, since those are the, one, those are gonna tax the CNS the most, those are the biggest bang for your buck. Exercise are gonna move the needle the most. So, you know, take like the big five

or your big compound lifts that you do. And just track those. And then just track those. I think that right there will help people out a lot just on how much they should either scale up or scale back based off of what they're doing. Yeah, I remember when I was younger reading about how the old-time strength athletes used to train and it was typically that hit the whole body a few days a week.

The mistake I made and I think you guys have done, you guys talked about making the exact same mistake was I didn't lower the volume or the intensity. I just tripled everything. So I would do, you know, 15 sets for chest once a week before. And I said, oh, I should do this three days a week. So I did 15 sets, three days a week with the same intensity. And I failed miserably, like I got terrible results. And then I realized, wait a minute, I was doing 15 sets before once a week.

What if I just did five sets each time? So I'm doing three times the frequency, saying total amount of sets, let's see what happens, and then I got a great result. So you got to pay attention to those things, and what's cool about this is, let's say like for me,

every other week or so, I can only do about maybe 40 to 45 minute workouts. I dropped my kids off at school, I have about 40 minutes before we start work. Those workouts, I ramp the intensity up because I'm doing way less, way less volume, way less sets. I'm pushing much harder. Then like weeks like this, when I don't have the kids with me

and I have an hour and 20 minutes to work out, I can do way more volume. I'm not going nearly as hard, both have their value, but you got to pay attention to that. Well, since this is so subjective, are there things that you guys are paying attention to as feedback to yourself? Like, okay, if I'm doing this correctly, and did I add too many sets and reps, or did I take back, is there something that you're paying attention to? Obviously, tracking and measuring is, I think, probably one of the best ways to do this, to make sure that you're scaling appropriately. But since I also know that most people won't do that,

are there certain things that are like red flags of like, oh, you did too much? Well, I start to notice a bit of joint pain. Yep. And that's one of those things when I ramp the volume up a bit more, especially on the compound lifts. And so that's something I gauge based on like how many, where I was at with those specific sets. But to your point of like those compound lifts taxing the CNS the most, those are the ones I'm always kind of cycling through the week is did I hit, you know, those five lifts and I rotate them correctly and everything else is complimentary to that.

So I basically structure the whole rest of my workout based off of like, if I got two or three of those major compound lists. Yeah, I'm like you, a section of those joint pain. I start to get weaker, I feel more fatigued. You know, these are kind of subjective things, I feel a little bit more soreness. Not getting as good of a pump, I feel like I have to train at a lower

intensity because I just don't feel like I have it in me. Then I typically, it's because I'm doing too much. So I bring it down and make myself speaking of CNS and recovery. I'm going to tread lightly here because I don't want to advertise anything that in particular, and specifically with what I'm about to talk about without any real studies supporting it. So this is my own subjective experience, okay. So I know the audience knows we work with a company called Ned, and they produce very high quality hemp oil extracts. So hemp has all these cannabinoids that have effects in the body. it doesn't have THC, so hemp is very closely related to the marijuana plant, the difference being marijuana has lots of THC in it.

Hemp plant has the other cannabinoids, so it's not going to make you get that high, but cannabinoids have other effects in the body, reduce inflammation, make you feel relaxed. There's a lot of other potentially beneficial effects, right? So they have a product called D-Stress, which is new. And I've tried all the other products, they're always really good.

The D-Stress, for, this is again my own experience, for recovery, ridiculous. It's ridiculous. So I've been taking it now semi-regulatory. I haven't used the sleep in a while, so Ned sleep like knocks me out. And I stopped using their normal hempoil extract. I'm using the D-stress one now,

which is higher in a cannabinoid known as CBG, which is they call the parent cannabinoid. So it has all these kind of general effects, including relaxing the body, and lots of anti-inflammatory effects, also got CBD. And I swear to God, dude, I take this, if I feel like I'm over trained or little sore stiff, and I notice the next day, I feel,

it's like I'm either recovering faster or there's like this anti-inflammatory effect. No way. Do you really think that hemp can be helping that much? I'm not gonna be right after you work out. I'm not sure you actually feel like that, like recovering. You know, I'm pretty sensitive to stuff. So, and I've been doing

I want to call bullshit on that. There's like no way. Well, so here's a deal. Canabinoids definitely have a systemic is this my explanations what I think right they definitely have this kind of systemic anti-inflammatory effect now. It's not anti-inflammatory like a like ibuprofen right or like a ibuprofen, right, or naproxen, right, which literally these are NSAIDs. They go into the body and they prevent the production of prostagladins, which contribute to inflammation. So it's like a hammer, hammering inflammation. And if you use them too often, you'll see in studies, you'll get reduced muscle mass, and increased risks of injury because your body needs those inflammatory markers to heal

and build muscle. So you don't want to block them completely. What you want to do if you're slightly over trained is just kind of modulate the inflammatory system. So it's not a little bit maybe run away or whatever. I think that's what's happening because the cannabinoid system is more like a dimmer switch on a light, not like turning it off. So I think that's what might be happening.

And again, I'm trading lightly because this has only been maybe a couple weeks, but I just, I feel like it's got this kind of recovery effect. You know when you train, could you be getting into a parasitic, sympathetic state faster because of it? I mean, maybe it's compounding because of that. I think so. Have you guys used the distress yet? I have used it. Oh, it's so. Yeah. I haven't used it consistently, and I haven't used it with the intent that you are right now, because I just, I can't, I don't think I can wrap my brain around the fact that hemp oil could be potentially helping you recover faster.

I think it, maybe recover faster is the wrong thing to say. I think maybe you're... Yeah, I don't like that. You know, I don't like that because I, a lot of this is where how it got Marketed in the body space which annoys me yeah, we've got you got these jacked out bodybuilders and steroids and some of that and they're pushing like Himpoil because I recover so much quicker faster. I just cringe at that because as valuable as I think Himp is and I swear by it. I love the product and so like that. It's not how I use it It's not the main reason it's that's why I'm careful with how I'm by it, I love the product and stuff like that. It's not how I use it.

It's not the main reason. That's why I'm careful with how I'm saying it. You know what it probably is? Maybe it's keeping, there's that line of overtraining and maybe it's like if you overtrain a little bit it helps. I don't think it's like a regular post workout recovery supplement. You know what I'm saying? I think it's more like, oh crap, I'm a little bit overstressed or over-trained than it might help a little. What I was saying is, is there studies

to support like getting into that state calming the body down and if you can do that say an hour faster than like so when you work out like you're heightened, you're amped up and it probably takes, I don't know and I'm just speculating right now, you know, an hour or two, three hours for the body to completely calm down and then it to switch over now into recovery and rebuild mode, right? So, you know, if you, if you cut that time in half and that every single day over time, I mean, how much do you think that is there any, any, any, regardless, not just talking about him, forget him, just being able to get yourself

into that state at a faster? Not specifically, but of course, if you get good sleep, if you have a good meditation, I guess practice, or things that tend to help with that, you do know, people do get better results, or on the flip side, if they're too stressed or too, in that sympathetic state, they tend to break their body down too often. And I don't use it post-workout.

So it's not like I'm doing it right after my workout. I'm doing this in the evening, but I'm just noticing I'm less, like, less of the symptoms of over-training. Yeah, so I would wonder too that if maybe some of what you're feeling too is just maybe just better stress or a better sleep, I mean, you know, I'm saying that you're just, well, what's the class of supplements called like with mushrooms and everything? Where they basically just help to kind of not adapt to gender adapt to gender, right? So it doesn't allow, you know, to

allow a signal to low of a signal. It's sort of like balances it out. You know, that's a great question. I wonder if you could classify cannabinoids as adaptogens because they do do that. For example, in studies with people who have depressed immune systems, canabinoids can help the immune system be a little bit more robust. And then in cases where people's immune systems are at a control, like they have autoimmune issues,

canabinoids have shown to bring down the immune response. So in that, I mean, almost the definition issues, cannabinoids have shown to bring down the immune response. And that's almost the definition of what an adaptogen would do. Right? Well, it seems to, it's built in, especially we've found, we always thought if you're smoking in a bunch, you should have the same type of problems you had with tobacco and have all these. But it somewhat mitigates some you know, some of the

damage that you get smoke. Yeah, that's true. They can't connect smoking cannabis to lung cancer, probably because it also fights it at the same time. There's not officially a dapte gen. Oh, yeah, what does that say there? It makes all the requirements. Oh, interesting.

Yeah. Yeah, dapte gen gens an interesting category of supplements. I wouldn't even know how they... I mean, that's a fairly new thing. Like, they didn't really like discuss that. Like, I don't remember that being around when we were training. Not in Western spaces, but adapt to gens have been used in aeravetic and Chinese medicine for thousands of years.

Do you think it's just because it's minimal as far as the benefits behind it? I don't think you're taking a nap. It's not like caffeine, like you're taking a nap to your lip. Oh my God, I feel it. It's like you got to take it for a little while and then, oh, okay, I think I'm feeling better. You know, I feel less stressed.

That's where I could see, like you could make the case for kind of your point. It's like if you were consistently using like a de-stress, you know, full spectrum hemp product like that. And, you know, every night every night for say a month, you got 5% better sleep because of it. That's compounded over a month's time. That's a lot better sleep

towards your process of recovering, rebuilding, and I could see it working like that, but like the boom, take it right after work out, this helps get me recovered from know, recover from being sore from the last. That's why I'm careful with saying it, because I don't wanna advertise it as like a bodybuilding supplement.

That's not what it is. You wanna know what you guys are not careful about is the way you guys recommend movies on this fucking show. And I just wanna point out, because Doug wanted me to talk about it. He said that the movie that you guys chose as we can was fucking awful. The Tom Hanks fenced one. Hey man, we got cocky dude. You guys so excited. We go in sci-fi category and you go,

you know why? Here's why. First of all, I had no idea what the movie was about. All I saw, yeah, all we saw was the picture. I saw a robot. You have a robot and you have a robot and it looks like, you know, whatever like a poca-lipped exciting. I'm like, okay, this has to be somewhat good, right? I mean, that's 100% what happened to me. I'm like, there's the checklist, dystopian future, check. Robot, check.

Tom Hanks, check. This might be good. I mean, we didn't factor in the writing. Yeah, that was a big big It was bad. It was terrible. The writing was really bad I didn't even see who who made the film I didn't see who made it, but it was it was not good Dude, it was the modern-day short circuit, right? Oh my god pretty like accepted an apocalyptic setting It was really 5% yeah the same thing about worse like I mean, right? It really was like it was exactly

One of the lines was like I know you were born yesterday, but can you grow up? Yeah. I said there's a robot for that. I was like, do somebody wrote that? Okay. Like, shh. It was a snappy thing.

The only cool thing about it was some of the ways that Tom Hanks' character made vehicles to travel through, like, because I guess the UV, it was real strong, because the ozone layer was destroyed. Yeah. And that was, I was okay. I was kinda like,

oh, that's an interesting winnow-bego. You know, the way he put that together. Besides that, everything else stuck. What's the one he did where he talked to the volleyball forever? What's that, what was that? Castaway. Castaway.

Because that one was such a hit, I feel like everybody's like, tries to do this thing. Like, can we build a whole movie around one character? Yeah. And you know what I'm saying? It's like been a trend ever since then and it's like, and there was no, like, they, they, they alluded to like this imposing force like of these like raiders coming and then they

never show them. Yeah, that was so disappointing. I'm like, dude, there's like no conflict here. Yeah. Totally, totally. And that was a weak robot. Yeah. Well, speaking of tech stuff, and I think you walked out of the room

on this house, so you missed this. We watched the 007. This weekend also, or I watched some of it. You know, I can't get into the 0070 more. It's so predictable to me. That's why I walked out. It's just like the same. Oh, cool.

He's gonna get away. Nobody could shoot him. Oh my god. Look how cool his car is. He's shooting everybody. Wow. I mean, yeah, that's, it's just like the same, oh cool, he's gonna get away, nobody could shoot him. Oh my God, look how cool his car is, he's shooting everybody. Wow. I mean, yeah, that's what it's a formula. Yeah, it's like so, anyway,

but what happened with this? Well, there was something that was cool, I saw it on Justin's notes, and I was like, you know what, I don't think Sally even seen it, I was trying to find it on YouTube, so I could share it with you, so we could actually have this conversation, but there's a part in it,

and this isn't gonna ruin the movie, because it's not even that important. But Justin and I were both like, oh, that's kind of cool. And is that possible? So they had to like jump down this elevator shaft or something, I don't even remember what it was, but it was a deep shaft, they had to jump down it.

And they suited up real quick. And you're not sure. And then they throw down like all these balls. And they all stick to the walls all the way down. All the way down sticking Magnets basically yeah, and they and they they hit a button it lights up like red and then they have a suit on With all these magnets and then they just jump and then the at the very bottom falls all the way to the bottom And then once it turns red basically like it it changes the charge and then it it holds them and suspends them before he hits the ground You know like when you have two magnets that are really strong and you can't push them together like that.

So imagine you have the suit with the opposite charge than what it's cool. Yeah, and they jump through it and just, they just catch and balance. I thought that's pretty cool. Yeah, right. I got a thousand interesting ideas. You know, a lot of the sci-fi tech and movies. So you can be a pacemaker though. They tend to come out of the...

Stop my heart. I was gonna say a lot of these movies with these technology in the past, oftentimes comes kind of true in the future. They conceptualize it based off of like, you know, current tech and work and potentially go, like speaking of magnets, you guys have seen rail guns, right? I was watching videos of rail guns. Yeah, I'm a, you ever seen a rail gun? No, remind me with that, with that. The Navy has, I think they have two ships with rail guns

because they take up so much power in the soul. I feel like it shoots a gun. It's steel bar or something like that. Yeah, it's like the ultimate like lowest form of friction because you have electromagnetic way of basically just catapulting this thing. Bro, they fire like a tungsten steel rod, which is like they're bullet or whatever.

So fast, you don't need any explosives on it. It'll literally hit with such an impact that it goes through and explodes everything. Multiple buildings, just. Oh, bro, it's the fastest most. I forgot what they showed like how fast the conventional bullet travels. And then one of these things travels like thousands

of times faster. It's like the Tesla bullets. Yeah, it basically can create like a meteor. You know, on earth, just, it's hitting so hard. You shove it through everything. And with actually pretty damn good accuracy. So one way that they use it,

I was watching this cool video on it, is they'll aim these rail guns at incoming missiles, they'll fire them up into the sky, and then whatever they're firing out, once it gets close to the missile, the front opens and it shoots debris out to make sure that the missile detonates in the air. I thought that was so cool. Yeah, that's really cool. But yeah, there was this concept where they would put these rail guns on satellites and fire down tungsten steel rods, right? No explosives, but they come in so fast and hit the ground so hard that it would cause

an invader. It would explode with the force of like massive nuke. Because they fired from space. Isn't that cool that all of our innovation? Dude, we have so much innovation. Go to innovation that will just kill us all now. I mean, isn't that exciting? Isn't it, is it mirrors so much innovation that will just kill us all now. Yeah, isn't that exciting? Isn't it, is it mirrors?

I just feel like it's accelerating right now. And I feel like this whole talk around the metaverse is maybe I'm promoting that, you know, because I felt like it was such a buzz term right now. Oh, what did you see Disney's announcement to? They're going to do one. They're into. I mean, ever, it's, it's, everyone's moving in that direction. What's it going to look like?

I don't know. I mean, it's going to, I imagine it's in that direction. What's it gonna look like? I don't know, dude. I mean, it's gonna, I imagine it's gonna be a little clunky at the beginning, but I mean, so we're video games just 20 years ago. So it's gonna be like this, right? 30 years ago. So it's gonna be like this, right?

You could go to Disney's Metaverse. Google's Metaverse. It's not gonna be like that. It's like they're walking around. It's gonna be a Metaverse. It's probably the internet. Right, so you're, you're, you, so you're, and you have a website, and you have a,

so you can walk into different, you could just visit different areas of the universe. It's like, wreck it Ralph too. Is that where we're going here? Yeah. I think he's in a video game, isn't that what he's in? Yeah, but it's a meta verb. No, but he actually goes the second way

you can see the internet. You're right. Oh, there's Google, and there's, you know, real places. Yeah, so it's not like, they're not competing, right? So Disney doing it, it's not like, oh, who's gonna win? Google, Facebook or whatever, it's like, they're all in a sense working together

to build this, you know, another online, you know, a digital platform that everybody is. It's gonna get weird, like, how are they gonna stop? Weirdos going to Disneyland's, you know, Metaverse or the kids going to life? I mean, is it really any different than that in the real world? I mean, they put stuff up to, you have security and you have checks and you have, I mean,

I just feel like it's- I'll be that much different. Maybe, right? Sometimes I feel like it's- I mean, it will be a lot different. I feel like it's easier to trick people, you know, because you see my avatar and- Yeah, but there's also less risk,

because it's not real life. If a creep gets into Disneyland in real life, you know, some pedophile who is going to do harm, that's very dangerous, you know. If a pedophile gets in Disney Metaverse, yeah, it would be bad, and maybe some kids see some bad things, but at the end of the day, like,

it's not as dangerous as in the past. That's not the strategy. The strategies they go in, they earn a kid's trust. Right. And then they be able to say that there's risk in everything that we do, but in your opinion, what is more risky, a real pedophile in real life being able to grab your child

at Disneyland or one in the digital world? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's potential for more. You're saying we shouldn't live in the real world because it's more dangerous. No. No. I've already, I think I've already came out

and said that I will probably most likely be the unplugged. You know, I don't think that I'm not interested. I wasn't even, you're gonna be the old funny, daddy. I get, I mean, it doesn't mean that I won't dabble. I mean, I play like I play video games, you know, once every six months, like, I play a video game with my buddies. So, you know, I'm sure I'll have the option to jump in the metaverse and play around and see what it's all about. I'm not going to be like that. I'm not going to be like anti it. I don't want to do it with it. But I just, real, real life is just is more

interesting. Yeah, way more interesting to me. It's hard to say, I mean, I could see, if it's cool, like it could be something that you kind of just go in every now and then and just try to make sure that you have like boundaries. But yeah, I don't know, like, I guarantee he's gonna be clunky for a while. Did you guys hear the full episode of Shapiro with, with, with Rodeo?

I'm halfway through. He talked about a philosopher back in the 60s, predicting something like this. And he know why he said it wouldn't work. Oh, because there weren't real risks. Like, I thought that was really interesting, but you know, that's probably, I'm part of what it dicts people to gambling is the loss part.

That you can, it's not the winning. Yeah, it's not, it's the fact that you can. Yeah, gambling isn't fun if you never lose. Yeah. And you always bring up that great news on your bitcoins. What's that? Yeah, the Twilight Zone episode. And that highlights that really well.

Like you think you would want to win all the time and have everything you really want. But maybe you don't. And maybe that's what the metaverse is going to do for everybody is maybe that's maybe initially everybody is going to want to do it. And everybody is going to make their avatar amazing and they want to do it and everybody is gonna make their Avatar amazing and they always win they're always pretty and they have all the cool stuff and then they're

gonna still be just as fucking miserable as they were before they got in this and realize I think so this is utopia I think so unless it's like doesn't mean anything though metaverse 2.0 if you die here you die for real 2.0, if you die here, you die for real. Oh my God. Basically what comes and kills you. Yeah, the haptic suit. It's just like you're getting stabbed. Oh, this is cool. Or you get like a mount of life.

You get five. Or like shots, you really bad. Use them wisely. You know, this reminds me of an article I read over the weekend, Harvard professor, who is an expert on happiness and what makes this actually happy, wrote this article about, and basically the title was,

if you wait $20 million won't make you happy. And what he talks about in this article is they literally show studies, and this is well documented, that besides having your basic needs met, for example, you need a house, you need food, water, you need to not be stressing that you're not going to be able to pay for certain basic necessities. Past that point, studies show that like somebody winning $20 million within three months to

a year, they return right back to their baseline of happiness. So they get all this money, they're happier for a short period of time. And then after that, right back to where they were before. And so he listed the things that actually do make us like genuinely happier, like long-lasting happiness. One of them was friends and family. For spareances. Another one was gratitude, which was another one. Forgiveness, he actually listed forgiveness. And he cited studies where you have this kind of long term issue

with a person or a situation, being able to let it go and forgive that individual increases a person's happiness. That was a very interesting article, it's really good. It's hard one experience. Is there any experiences weren't in there? I think so, let me double check. Yeah, I would think experience,

life experiences would be in there, I would think. Yeah, I would think so, that that would be one of them. But I remember the time. We talked about that with, when we interviewed David Hanson from Basecamp, right? Oh, giving. Giving was the other one. They say his last name, right, Doug?

Hanson? No. I'm not sure would a Hannah Meyer or something like that. No, that's his middle name. How is it? Yeah, David, Hannah Meyer, Hanson. Oh, is it? I'm totally fucking up David. I apologize

But yeah, no he talked about the same thing right the difference between Zero making zero dollars and a million dollars a year is crazy is like astronaut difference, right? It's just there's a huge But a million to ten million and above is other than like being able to fly your own rocket ship and do some shit like that He goes there's not there's not a lot that you can't do if you're making a million dollars versus if you were making 10 million dollars. Have you ever seen the charts on happiness as you age where like it starts out high when you're a kid, kind of goes down in middle age and then it comes back up after middle. Speaking of which middle age, is this a big birthday for you?

Yeah, no, we're I mean we're in the middle of it right so I'm technically the 16th is my birthday the 15th is Katrina's birthday So hers is first, but this is the 40 for me and Do you remember when like those parties used to have like over the hill and it like black? You know like everything is like downhill from there. I wonder if Katrina will decorate like that this weekend. We'll see if she does something like that. But she set up like, you know, Adam's 40th bananza month, you know?

So I've been, every, I haven't really shared much of this on the podcast, but every weekend, there's been something that we did like the first one I was out with my brother-in-law. I took the ATV out and haven't rode that. We did a bunch of backcountry stuff. It was nice. She pretty much watched Max and set it all up

so I could do that. Tomorrow I've got skydiving tonight. Whoa. Hold on a second. You go jump out of a plane tomorrow? Yeah, and I guess we're at we are doing the highest jump in the United States. I don't know if you knew that Justin or not. I was yeah

I just agreed and I don't have no idea what I'm getting my Yeah, yeah, we should record a lot of back episodes over on that is the highest highest jump. So I don't know the exact maybe you want to do it you do it You know that was actually a surprise to me that she put that on there She was actually you know you don't really seem that excited for I said well, you know This was like a bucket list item I thought when I was like, it was less of a bucket list item as I got older. Are you nervous? Yeah, I mean, a little but not really.

Uh, you know that it's, you know that, uh, riding a mountain bike is more dangerous than jumping out of a plane. Do you know that? Statistically, yeah, or riding a motorcycle. Like, you mean one versus one or just total, just in general, just like more people die from downhill mountain statistically or riding a motorcycle. Like, you mean, one versus one, or just total amount of stuff? Is this a number thing? Just in general, just like more people die

from downhill mountain biking. Well, yeah, because way more people mountain biking. Well, no, as a percentage, as a percentage, yeah. No, it's way less riskier than what you think. I mean, you're attached to somebody else, he's got multiple shoots. Are they gonna be like small? We were squirrel shooting, or whatever you call that.

Yeah, that's different that's totally different But we've got that and then we have the oh you're not even nervous about that. Not too bad. I mean well I guess I'm there. Yeah, you can say you could ask me when I'm like going up in the plane and like getting ready to jump out the door I'm sure I'll have some nerves I'm not like yeah, I definitely was about the dude on my back I'm not like, yeah, I definitely was. I'm just nervous about the dude on my back. You know, I just hope he smells good, man. Yeah.

I don't want some sleep in your ear. And a happy guy. As a little dude. As your falling's like kissing your ear. Oh, stop! I do think you're better. I look over, I just see Justin flipping. Listen, we're taking this all the way down.

Do we miscalculated your weight? Sorry. Yeah. Then we're doing a five star Michelin restaurant tonight that this is the first time I've ever been to a restaurant like this. We had to put, so she reserved it almost a month ago. You have to put $200 down non-refundable

to reserve a table to go eat there. They called her yesterday to confirm to make sure that we're going. It's less than 24 hours. They say, so if you don't show up, each person gets charged $140, no matter what. So it'll be a $300 bill for me if I didn't show up to the restaurant. Wow, what are they serve there? I know. I don't know. I find out. So like meat. And then I don't what was the other thing we got going? And then we had the big party, right? So we had the party going, it's not that bad. Now are you like, what is turning 40s?

I mean, anything to you or something? It means absolutely nothing to me because I'm the youngest of the group of you guys, of my best friends, Katrina's a year older. I'm literally the baby. So I've been saying I'm 40 for the last three years. Yeah, yeah. So it doesn't really mean anything to me. I was looking forward to it. I feel like

Forties is like the bed. I don't know. I feel like that's the best decade looking forward for me. I don't I don't I don't think there Was any looking forward to me. I think that I think that ended at either 21 or 30 maybe I look forward to 30 a little bit But I do I enjoy getting older now where I don't I don't think I probably would have thought I would have. Like if you asked me at 20, when do you get to be about 40, I'm like, oh my God, I'll be almost dead. You know, like that's gonna be. Like literally, when you're 20,

you think 40 is so far away, right? So, but now, I mean, for sure, life gets better as you get older. It really does. There's obviously things that I am not as athletic as I was when I was 25. I don't have the same kind of energy. I've got the aches and pains that pop up here and there

that are nagging, but aside from that, everything else seems to be better. Yeah, you know, they've done studies on that and people think the age that people think is old is 20 years older than them. So if you're 40 for example If I would ask you does 50 seem like you're getting old and be like yeah, not really 60 Yeah, yeah, so it's always 20 years older. Isn't that weird? Yeah, it's like Doug. I could ask Doug

Doug does a hundred sound really old you know, but seriously like if I tell you you know 60 or 65 or 60 you might think Yeah, but if I say 75 80 then, then you say, yeah, definitely is. But I think at some point, 80 is old no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. So Katrina is like, oh, about you skydiving. Like Courtney was like having a hard time with it a little bit. And she actually didn't even show up when I went on the F-16 flight.

Like, she refused to go and watch the whole thing. So I imagine that's actually even more risky. Probably. Yeah, I mean, if you just, yeah, because even in France, I remember that they had some incident just taking off in something like he hit the, yeah, I would imagine if you did that.

I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be, some happens to be so mad at you. I'm gonna be so mad. Katrina, you can already ensure you're fine. You're gonna make a payday if I'm back. No, actually, we haven't signed that. If you, Katrina's already done it. Katrina did You're gonna make a payday. No, actually we haven't seen anything like that.

Katrina's already done it. Katrina did it like, She's done it? Yeah, yeah. She did it with like, her one of her old boyfriends that you were doing. You're the weirdest person I know. You won't watch a scary movie,

but you'll jump out of a plane. That makes absolutely zero-level. I don't, yes it does. I've explained this before, and I'll explain it again for you because you still don't get it. Like, I'm not against like, adrenaline things that make me scared or push the limits.

I, but when I sit down at 10 o'clock at night and I put my feet up from a day and smoke a joint, I don't want to be scared in my fucking mind. What time I want to go to, I want to relax and I want to be entertained and I want joy. I don't want my heart racing like this right before I'm going to try to go to bed. Like I watch movies to chill out. Alright, so what time you skydiving? I don't know, in the like late mornings. Heart racing like this right before I'm gonna try to go to bed like I watch movies to chill out all right So what time you skydiving? I don't know like late morning So like so if I if I have you watch a scary ass movie at 11 a.m. You watch it. I mean no you liar has nothing to do with that

I mean I have no desire to either though, so it's like you can scare right now talking about it Yeah, you got uncomfortable in chair dude make it much hills have eyes I'm scared right now talking about it. Yeah. You got uncomfortable in your chair. Dude, make it much hills have eyes. Oh, 100%. This guy wanted to replay the beginning of 007 just because there's like a scary part

and you wanted to see my reaction. I saw him. I was like, you turned 007 on him. It's such a weird intro to 007. Yeah, that was not normal. Yeah. It's the mask. Yeah.

He's like, Adam's scared. Let's watch that again. Yeah. God. I like, I like roller coasters. You know, I love doing crazy shit on the snowboard and the wakeboard, it's like the pushing limits like that. I've been hurt.

So I like adrenaline and I like doing these, but I'm in the mood for like that's what I'm trying to do at that moment. And TV has always been this like, I wanna check out partially when I'm watching TV if that makes sense. I want to kind of to melt into the couch and I don't want to think or stress about anything. Remember the weed commercial from the 90s?

He tried to talk you out of smoking weed. And the dog talked you out. Yeah, and the girl was literally melted into the couch because she was smoking weed. That actually convinced anybody not to smoke weed. No, the opposite. That's my favorite part of it. Dogs can just like you. Melting into the couch. This looks how fun. Cool. Talk's my favorite part of it. It's like you melting into the cowl.

This looks hell of fun. Cool. Talk to my dog. Yeah. Oh, speaking of like adrenaline and tech and whatnot. So it's called like, I think it's called like the radical shark vehicle, but there's this new kind of, it's like a hybrid of almost like a submersible vehicle that goes like super fast under the water can jump out.

Oh, I've seen it and then back. Yeah, it's basically like the canopy almost of what's it called a shark something. It's so they make radical sharks. So they make it look like dolphins. I want to see it. They'll make it look like killer. Well, fun, dude. Like really cool.

Yeah. So it's literally it looks like a shark or a dolphin and you fricking jam in this thing and you dive out. Is it called an amphibious vehicle? Is that what you say? Is that how you say it? Oh, I don't know. Amphibious? I think amphibious is just a vehicle that can go on top of,

you know, above water and underwater. Doug, can you, can you school us on that maybe? I don't know the, some kind of submersion. Definition. I got you guys, huh? Yeah. It's, it's wonderful. Yeah, look, look, look.

So he's inside this like, oh, they just show the outside of it though. What the hell? Yeah, so he's on the inside, like, on top of the water right now, but it actually can dive down. It looks like it goes hell-of-fast. Yeah, look, it literally looks like a shark.

Oh, it's your shark? Yeah. It's really made like a shark but it can get into all these like cool places with the boat and hell. And it goes underwater, above water. It looks like it's pretty cool, right? Okay, now where would somebody even be able to sign up

to use this, or could you even buy it, or are we looking like a one off? Like a prototype? Is this like a one off? I think it's new. I think it's like a prototype that they're messing with. No, I've seen it. I've seen it for like, I saw.

Where like Mexico or something you can do this. I don't know if you can do it there, but I know that there's a place you can do it. I don't know if you can do it there, but I know that they. There's a place you can do it, that's probably. Somewhere where there's less regulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, dude, that's so true. Did I ever tell you guys when I went out?

That was the first place I seen the member one that the rocket boot things first came out. I saw it in Mexico before. Oh, Mexico, you can do everything. I remember one time seeing someone fall out of the freaking, you know, they do the, what do they do? And they pull you in the parachute. What's that called? Parasail. Someone fell out. Pfft. What they do the what they do when they pull you in the parachute What's that called pair sail? Yeah someone fell out?

Mexico yeah fell out you could die for that's high enough to die it's like concrete. That's cool. Wow. Yeah, I saw if they died No, no, I don't know they wouldn't die. They went oh really. Oh wow. That's like that's super dangerous I know it was fun. Hey, I had this morning store-bought bacon and That's like, that's super dangerous too. I know, it's fun. Hey, I had this morning store bought bacon, and you know what, it sucks. What's your box bacon is legit compared to these other bacon? Oh, speaking, not to hijack your commercial, but you just reminded me of something, Doug,

so I was telling you about the beef and broccoli and the pot thing that we love to make. And you asked me to try the, is it? So we got, so I by the way, okay, I finally changed my box from giving, getting shit all the time. And we did these, they're already pre-marinated flank steaks, I think is what your box does.

I've never gotten this. What was it, what was it you told me? I like the flat iron. Oh, flat iron, that's what I heard there. But they're already marinated. Really? The ones I get aren't marinated. Oh, so these are already, they have some of these ones that are already, it's the flanks

that are the flat iron. What is it an add-on or whatever on the box? What? What? Must be an add-on. I don't know. Maybe you can choose it. Maybe you can choose it.

Maybe you can choose it. Maybe you can change it. Change our regular order. Because I was telling her, hey, you know, selling them and giving me shit about we'd never changed the book box. I need it for, I literally said this for commercial reasons. I got to talk about everything that they have. Let's try some new things. Yeah. And she was, oh, no, we already did.

And she brought them out of the freezer. Uh-huh. And I was, and she showed me the flat iron steak. And I was like, oh, this is what's Doug literally just told me, have you tried that for your Instaportress? Because Katrina does this broccolini and, you Brockelini and Flat Iron steak or flank steak type of recipe. And it's Asian fusion or whatever like that. I forgot all the sauces, I send them to you.

I don't know, but they're all these different tie and spicy stuff, but it is so bomb. Oh, I'm gonna go check it out. Yeah, and she makes it in the Instapart. So it makes, you know what, is when you cook in that thing Like me meet falls apart and it's got this little spicy kick to it But yeah, so I didn't know that but your box even did that they have some really good cuts that are already like

Yeah, I ordered their brisket and it the brisket was pre cooked and set up and it's vacuum sealed and all you got to do Is take the brisket out and then throw the oven put in the oven for like 30 40 minutes I think it is and it's not bad, it's actually pretty good. And brisket's hard, you'd see they're crappy or good. This was pretty good, but it's an add-on, so I don't know if they'll have it, you know, anymore. Oh yes, oh, that's what you mean by add-on, like if it was just like a temporary thing

and you do right now. When you go in a emotional meet. Yeah, when you go in and adjust your box, you have the meats that are always there. And then they'll have specials every month for add-ons. So like, if you have butcher box, I suggest you check every single month because you'll see some pretty good discounts and specials and lobster tails. They had one time and stuff that you don't normally see that you can add in your box and

you can add it every month. You know, I think they had to stop their free turkey thing because they were doing like all the signups, they were doing a free turkey until they ran out, I think, because I guess there's rumors that like a big portion of our population is not gonna be able to get a turkey for Thanksgiving, have you heard that? Did you see the price? I've heard, like doubled, right?

I don't think he percented up or something like that? Double, double did, huh? Yeah, I just read an article that, who was it? The guy that predicted the 2008 crash, they did the movie about him. What was that movie called? Oh yeah, I know you don't know. The big short.

Yeah, yeah, okay. He said, oh, this looks very much like the beginning of what happened in the YMAR Republic with their hyperinflation, where like investments were going crazy. Everybody was making money. Inflation started getting out of control. And then it went crazy and everything crashed.

Dude, speaking of inflation and crazy and markets, you come up. So can you explain to me when, you know, people inflation and crazy and markets, you come. So can you explain to me when, you know, people talk about China having like one of the greatest comeback stories in their economy and just over that, I think the last what two decades is that correct? Now, when when we measure things like that and say that it's done so well, is it just GDP that we're measuring? Like how do we measure that? And then? And then we're looking at it. Okay, so we're looking at GDP.

And GDP is, you know, consumers, government. It's government spending too. Government, yeah, government spending, real estate market, all of that's included in that. Yeah, so if government spending goes up considerably, GDP goes up as well. So even if they're spending it on, you know, digging holes and filling them back up. So as you know that the real estate is the, in China, is the largest asset class in the world. And I didn't know this.

So the US is I think 23% of wealth in the United States is generated from real estate. In China, it's closer to 40 to 50%. Have you guys ever heard of ghost towns? Oh yeah. I did not fucking know about this. There's entire cities that are... Bro, this is like... Nobody lives in.

Mine blowing to me. And it's all on speculative, like, increase in real estate. They buy these properties. There's skeletons. They're, they're, they're, don't even, some of them don't even have staircases in it. There's like cities that have 50,000 houses. And only 5,000 people live in the entire city.

Completely empty. I mean, you couldn't know electricity, no running water to them. But people buy it as an investment because it goes up and people speculating on it because of this boom in the last 20 years. And they just buy them very, and you know, a resume of kind of like crypto right now

where everybody just buys all these random coins and because they speculate on more people buying it or flipping and all these people are making tons of money. But in China, this is like really popular. Like there's all these ghost towns that I had no idea about. Terrible misallocation. That is crazy to me.

Of resources, yeah, that's a pop. Yeah, and the government, so the government in China owns the land. So like here we can, you buy the land and the property, right, or the house, right? We're there, they lease the land to developers who then take loans from the government to build and develop all this.

So talk about a total, I don't even believe the hype anymore about China's economy. If a large percentage of their economy is based off of the growth that they've had in money and real estate, one fifth of the homes in China are empty. That's fucking insane. When that's included in their GDP and they're all there, will there be...

Fake. Do you know, okay, it's not even real. So if the US decided Let's just take some the middle of the United States where there's you know thousands of acres where there's no homes and just said Okay, we're gonna lease this land to you You can we're gonna let developers take billions of dollars of loans and just start developing houses They're gonna be empty We're gonna sell them to other people in the United States so they can hold them as investments even though they fucking are useless

And you can't do anything with them. It's going to prop up the economy like we are crushing and killing it when we really are not. Yes. Wow. It's a huge, huge issue. It's a reflection of their side. I can't believe I didn't know this.

I know, I knew this. There's other things that they've done to her. You do realize that the Soviet Union. Doug show him pictures of ghost towns. This is fascinating to me. It's like something from like an eerie scary movie. Yeah, right there. It's like a big ass city. And for film sets.

Yeah, totally. So, so people don't understand this. The Soviet Union, before it collapsed, there were still articles coming out talking about the wonders of central planning and how great it is. And I mean, Bernie Sanders went to the Soviet Union and I think the 80s and came back and talked about how incredibly amazing it was and their economy's crushing

and this is wonderful, right before they crashed, right before they imploded. So this is a lot of this is smoking mirrors. Now China is very different than the Soviet Union because their markets are far more liberalized than the Soviet Union, so they have more private markets. But there still is lots of this central planning going on over there, and lots of this, and look, by the way, we do similar things, not nearly to that extent, but here we have the

Fed printing money and doing stuff like that as well, not nearly to this extent, though. That is crazy. That's crazy. I mean, those houses, it's crazy that people are actually buying them and flipping them and buying them again and driving the price up on these things that they're not even being used as investments. Nobody is renting them out and getting cash flow from them or anything. Nobody can, if they lost their other house, can move into it and live in it. They're literally are worthless buildings. If you, that is weird. If you ever want to read about like a wonderful example, that sounds silly to us now, but during the time people didn't know that well. Oh, I couldn't believe this would happen

I don't know what country it was. I want to say Denmark But they were speculating on tulips and tulips were extremely valuable Yeah, and people were buying them and the price of tulips skyrocketed and it was this new market and people are speculating on a tour Of course until it all came tumbling Well, this is this is crypto for me and I by the way I came out as the guy on here the most that was pro crypto. And I still believe it won't go away.

There will be a need for it, even if it's just the black market. But this idea of a thousand different coins, you know, that are, and they're all people are buying them and selling them and buying them and selling them. It's like the same thing. It's like at the end of the day, like what are you gonna do with this Sheba coin if nobody accepts Sheba coin? Exactly. Like it's like the same thing. It's like at the end of the day, like what are you gonna do with this Sheba coin

if nobody accepts Sheba coin? Exactly. Like it's like an empty house. Until they have like a legit ATM where I can go, you know, press a button and I can get real cash for what that translates to. Like I'm super skeptical. Yeah, it's not fully liquid, it's not accepted everywhere.

I think that crypto will always exist, but I don't think you're gonna have all these coins. I think you'll have like one or two. Yeah, somebody's gonna beat out all the rest. Yeah, I think obviously Bitcoin is probably at the top of the list because it's the most widely accepted and people. There's a lot of people who just think they're so smart

because they're the way they're flipping and making crypto. Well, yeah, you feel smart when everything, every time you swing the bat, you make a hit. Yeah, but it's just like you make millions, you know? People are hitting like so artificially inflated though. It's like the same thing that you, like we're talking about right now. This is why my cacles are up right now because pick a market that you wouldn't have made money in the last ten years.

Yeah, right. You can throw, throw your eyes closed at a dartboard right now. There isn't a single market you would not have made money on in the last ten years. It reminds me of the dot com thing. I mean, everybody started to sell URLs and you know, just became a thing and like they're speculating like some companies you don't want to buy it from them.

Stock market, you would have made money in 10 years. Real estate, you would have made money in 10 years. Crypto, you would have made money in 10 years. Like, like everything made money. Doesn't that sound a little funny? Yeah. Baseball card. Baseball card.

To the roof. Stamps. Coins. Now we have this new NFT market that's exploding all over the place, sound a little funny. Baseball car. I smell baseball car. To the roof. That's stamps. Points. Now we have this new NFT market that's exploding all over the place, which is another one that like, I mean, we kind of started to go into that a little bit. And do I think that's going to be around? Yeah. Then I understand how they're going to work it with the metaverse.

It makes total sense. But now everybody is starting all these NFTs and it's like, you're speculating on what's going to be the name brand jeans that everybody wants to wear or the name brand car that everybody's going to want to drive in this metaverse with all these crazy NFTs. Unless you have a community, like I get it if you have a community, like I know Gary V has his NFTs, I know Tom Billio is moving into that space right now. Listen, if you've got a fan base of a couple million and you sell, and you create an NFT, I could see like that, but you have random people,

consumers that are buying these things and trying to flip them and think that they're investments and so that. That's why I like better be careful. That's why I like real estate right now because it's real. It's real. People need a place to live. If the apocalypse comes, I have somewhere I can go sleep. Yeah. Go sleep when you're fucking crypto

and you're NFT. Let me know how that works out for you. Unless we're gonna literally digitize ourselves and go into the metaverse, like our being, I don't see real estate, I always think that's a safer investment. Of course it is, because it's real, you can touch it, you can hold it, you can use it.

It doesn't mean it won't go down, just don't think it's a fraction of it. Of course, nothing is perfect, right? But I mean, if you look at the worst case scenario in all those markets, the worst case scenario for something like crypto or NFT is like no one gives a shit about it. And they're going, and it can disappear.

Yes, it can pull the plug. Right, and that's my biggest thing. Like it's your card asset point. It's like you can figure something out with the land, with the way that you use the building somehow. Like there's something else, you know, potentially you can use, you know, from something like that versus just a digital asset.

Well listen, if, if, you know, we have multiple properties in Boise, Idaho, right? So let's pretend like everybody's sides, nobody wants to live in Boise, Idaho, and the whole economy crashes, Poccos, and we, mind-pump again, floats, well, and the whole economy crashes, Poppins come and we, mine, pumpkin, floats. Well, we can all move our asses to those houses and live there. I'm saying for free because we own them.

So that has a tremendous value to me in comparison. Now, what are you going to do with your, what are you going to do with your shoe? What are you going to do with your million sheba coins when no one gives a shit about sheba coins anymore? Can't print them in the them about it. Yeah, I got you. Are you hungry? Yeah.

And that doesn't mean, I think you doesn't mean I think you can be pro crypto that this is kind of the future of way things will go. I do believe that. I believe we are moving in this direction. I believe that it's gonna be, but to speculate on all the different ones and the exact value of it or how exactly we're going to use it for is that risky.

If you're a kid and you're in debt and you haven't saved, you know, 50 grand on your own or a hundred grand on your own and you're speculating a bunch on crypto, you're probably not making a smart decision. You got to learn how to save your money first, not be in debt. Those basics still apply. Once you save a bunch of money and you have money you can throw away, then you can experiment all you want. And I know people like, oh, my buddy made a lot of, yes, have money you can throw away then you can experiment all you want and I know people like

But my buddy made a lot of yes But that's not a long-term strategy whatsoever and yeah every once in a while look right now Right now it's a T-ball the baseball sitting on a T and every time you swing you're gonna hit the ball It's not like that. It's never always like that. So expect it to not be that way Hey real quick. I hope you're enjoying the podcast look We know that being healthy isn't just being perfect with your diet and working all the time. In fact, that's not healthy to be so crazy about that stuff.

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Yeah, and I did it for relatively short... So here's a deal. There's good and then there's optimal. Yeah, and I did it for relatively short. So here's a deal. There's good and then there's optimal. Is this good enough to give you strength and general muscle? And you know, yeah. Is it optimal? No, because with the big four, your squat, your deadlift, your head press, overhead press.

So it would be those, right? Yeah, and you're not rotating, you're not moving laterally, you're basically in one plane, you know, with all those exercises. You're building your foundational base for strength, basically. But you're not getting. Get a long ways though with that.

You get a long way. Especially if we are talking about the average client or someone who's extremely deconditioned, if you are not consistently training, and then all you did was the the four big lifts for a year, you would see tremendous results. Yeah, I think you'd be okay. If this is how you work out and you're not a fitness fanatic and you're not thinking about

optimal results, you're fine. You're going to be okay doing this. It's better than any other four-hour. Well, it's like the carnivore diet for training, right? I'm just saying that. That's a bad example. You got your meat. You can live off of that and it, you know, it'll sustain you and give you the nutrients.

No, that's a bad example. No, that's it's not like the carnivore. No, no, it's way better. It's way better than that. If you were on that the whole time, inevitably you're going to hit a wall where like your joints are going to talk to you. Yeah. But look at it more like just like, you know, like if you're not including fiber and your

diet, you're not getting the other values from all the other anyways. It's somewhat of a It'd be like eating four foods. Yeah, yeah, but you're not perfect I'm gonna challenge that a little bit. Here's the thing so if you're very inconsistent with your training Okay, you let's say in a and I don't even know what the with the studies show around this like with the average person Who does quote unquote workout consistently? how many days out of a year, they actually workout. But let's pretend you're the type of person that falls in the category of only meeting 50% of that.

So you have a lot of off and on's, you do it really good for three weeks or so, then you fall off for two weeks, then you get a streak for a month, then you fall off for a month, and then you go, you know what I'm saying? Sure. It's just probably the ebb and flow of the average person.

Right. Would you not agree? Yep. If that person, only when they lifted, and though they, actually, the only thing they did different was they only focused on the four lifts, I would make the case that they would get the greatest bang for their buck. Now you mean in comparison to doing my own stuff?

In comparison. Yes. In comparatively doing a bunch of it. You're just as inconsistent. Now that's not saying that you're not missing out on important things like rotation and lateral movements and things like that, that's a given. But if those four exercises give you the greatest return on your investment, and if you were inconsistent, but when you did work out, those were the only things you did, you would get

the most return from that. Yeah, I like that. Well, I love the simplicity of it. And I think that we go away from that all the time and we come back to it for that reason, because they're so effective. But yeah, so if I'm gonna compare that to somebody that always mixes up

with a good gillian different kind of cool exercises, like you're gonna have way more value from these four simple and packed full exercises every day of the week, it's just, you know, you gotta put pull him or thought into like the longevity of that. Yeah, all those four exercises require lots of strength, lots of stability, a decent amount of mobility. Here's what I like that for.

People who do other sports. Like I was just talking to my brother-in-law and he was talking about how he's doing jujitsu three days a week. And he's been trying to lift three or four days a week. And he's like, my body always hurts. I don't know what's, I'm like, did you're doing way too much? I said, you just got back into Jiu-Jitsu.

Just do one day a week of lifting. And just do, literally, those four exercises. Now, why is that okay for him? Because in Jiu-Jitsu, he's doing all kinds of dynamic movements. He's moving all over the place. All he wants to do is add some strength. In that particular scenario, that's a good option.

It's also a good option for, I mean, let's be honest, the average person, forget the fitness fanatic, right? The average person, the most we could hope for in terms of long-term consistency, if we do a bang up job, and we do a really good job, is about two days a week of consistent work. And that's why I say this. In that case, I think it's perfectly fine. That's because here's, there's been times when I've been so inconsistent with my training

that I take those four lifts and I divided even over three or four days. I'm just going in, that's all I do. I do five, six sets of overhead press for the day and I actually can leave the gym. And this is different. This is me older and wiser, younger me would never do that. I wouldn't count that as a workout.

But I know how powerful and impactful those movements and how much benefits that you get from it that I may just do that on day. So I might be inconsistent. I'm not doing a workout. I'm not getting the best bang for my buck as far as all the other movements I should be doing, but the bare minimum this week,

I did all those four movements, at least five to eight sets of it. And doing that alone will maintain a decent amount of muscle mass on me. Pretty good balance throughout my whole body. Yes, in my losing rotational strength, yes, could I get chronic joint pain if I'm always moving in that plane all the time?

Absolutely, I'm not saying it's ideal. But when I think of the average person who does not work out consistently, and if I only could pick four movements. Yeah, I tend to, I mean, I've done this before, but mainly with like six to seven exercises to keep it around, you know, that is so like you add like dips in there, you know, like, you know, weighted pull ups, uh, rows, you know, bent over rows. If I added those, I tend to feel like I'm a little more,

I get more of a broad stroke of, you know, everything else I was trying to get. Yep, I agree. Yeah, but you, that concept though, of just a handful of like big major movements and just doing those. And maybe you throw like Turkish get up where you hit everything really well.

You know, I'm saying that, add that to the, add that as a function in there. Yeah, and so, no, I, I think this is a really good place to start for a lot of people. Is there a lot of things better? Yeah, absolutely. Like, but I think this is a really good place to start for a lot of people is there a lot of things better Yeah, absolutely like but I just I'm always thinking about the average person who we who we trained and the reality of is There's a lot of things they didn't do that would be ideal and so if I only got them to do these things You know would I be we would be way better? Yeah, you be way ahead of the game Next question is from d price 22 what bro science did you do in the past

that still holds true today? You know, it's funny about bro science. Is that, so bro science refers to, like it's a bad name. The rules of nutrition or training that were pushed by bodybuilders and lifters. It's called bro science because they're not scientists,

but they'll say things like don't eat carbs or don't eat anything after you know Seven p.m. Or stuff like that, right? Right and the funny thing is that their explanations were often wrong. So they said I'll give you an example You know broscience would say don't eat food past six p.m. If you want to get lean now their explanation is Well, if you eat past six p.m. insulin drops. Yeah, and you're not gonna be active, so you can't burn it off, it'll get stored as body fat. And that's how they explained it, which is wrong. That's not how it works.

However, does not eating past six PM tend to lead to fat loss in people? Yes. Mainly because it's a behavioral adaptation. In the sense that, not eating past six PM means I'm not gonna eat my late night snacks, I'm not gonna eat the foods that I tend to make bad decisions with I'm probably cutting my calories sleep Yeah, cuz I adjust you in that kind of thing. Yes, so bro science

Oftentimes there's truth in the results, but it's not like here's another one like cardio first thing in the morning When you don't eat fasted cardio fasted cardio because it burns body fat rather than carbs or whatever. No, that's not why it works. Here's why it doesn't work for a lot of people. It gets you up earlier and it gets you moving right away. And that tends to be extra activity on top of what you're normally used to. Well, that would be one that I would still use knowing that the science has been debunked. Yeah.

I wouldn't tell people that I'm doing fasted cardio because the fasted cardio burns more fat than if I would have to do cardio some all the time of the day. It's that I know when I was doing fasted cardio for competing, I got up an hour earlier. I would have, and if I wasn't doing the fasted cardio, I would be sleeping in my bed. And so getting up, and then not only that, but normally, if I'm not doing the fasted cardio at six o'clock in the morning And I start my day even when I'm up at seven and I start the rest seven to noon is very sedentary So that not only that I actually get my heart rate and what you will notice

This is really neat if you've ever compared this in long enough before Is whatever I would get up and you know I know you know this because this is why part of why you probably love training it so early is I'm just more active and physical when I've started with something physical that early. Right? Where I'm more lethargic and slow and slow. It sets the tone.

It sets the tone for the day. I've got energy, I've got a pump, I feel good. I get up and down more, I move faster, I'm a little more fidgety and stuff like because I got that going early in the morning versus later on the day. So it has benefits, it reminds me of like what we talk about like woo woo science, you know,

like when you talk about Chi and you, the way that, they explain it in a way that it's not, that like their explanations are wrong, but that doesn't mean that the results are not there. Yeah, it's like, because Katrina's family is very much so into like

the massage therapy and Eastern medicine and a lot of that woo-woo stuff. And she still communicates like that. And I always kind of like chuckle them. That's not how that works. It's not, and she's like, I've done this enough. And her argument is always, I've seen it enough times. I don't need to hear me tell her.

It's like, well, it's not, I don't disagree that it doesn't work. It's that the way you're explaining it isn't correct. But that doesn't mean I throw it out and I don't apply it or use it. It's just that they're the way that we've explained it for so many years. And that's what bro sciences. Bro sciences, there has been enough years of experience of these bros that have applied this. And they've seen hundreds of other of their bros, okay? And they've gotten results.

And they've gotten incredible results from it. And then they do their best to explain it through science and it doesn't come out very well. And then you have the nerds that love to shit all over. They shit on the explanation. Yes, they take apart every word they said and then they go debunk it. And why I don't like that shit is because it's actually pretty good advice. Like the Don't Eat Pasti- Now you're deterring people from actually achieving success.

Or get up, you know what's really good for you? Get up and do some fasted cardio. Or stop eating at six o'clock. You know what, that's great fucking advice. Yeah, you know what, funny is they'll show studies and show fasted cardio versus unfasted cardio resulted in no additional fat loss because it's all controlled.

Right. But if you take a bunch of everyday people and you tell half of them to wake up and do cardio first thing and then they're half, you can do cardio whenever you want. And then you follow them along, you would see better results with the faster. Just because it's the first thing they did.

Well, yeah, and I don't know if the whole drink a gallon of water is considered a very great one. That's another great one. For me, I just like the intention of every day I'm trying to focus on, and I'm ordering take. Totally.

And of course, they'll promote it as, I don't even know how the bodybuilders promote it. No, they promote it as you need a gallon of water a day. You see, they have to see that. Flushy kidneys out. Yeah, like something like that. Like they'll add in as like some crazy. You're right, that's incredible advice.

And what I have found is if you don't tell somebody some arbitrary number that they have to go target. Then they drink too little. Yeah, here's another one. Here's another one is the pre-workout. You know, take these supplements 30 minutes before you work out to give you a better workout that's more effective. Now besides caffeine, which actually has stimulants

do have some benefit, not always, but some benefit for workouts. What about the whole like citrulline and amino acids and this and that? I know studies will show there's this like nominal difference or whatever, but it's really not something substantial. But why did I always recommend to my clients 30 minutes before that they do something or take something 30 minutes or 45 minutes before the workout? Why? Because it sets the tone. It was a 30, it's like preparing yourself mentally that, okay, in 30 minutes, I'm gonna rather than like, oh my God, I gotta workout right now.

I gotta get into this mental state. And so it's just this mental component that makes it difficult. That or the, how about the six small meals a day? That's something that's been shit all over also. If calories are all equated the same, then the thermo, and they usually talk about the thermo effect and the different types of food and everything else.

That's bad science, but I tell you what, even after I knew that science wasn't true, I still used to make clients portion out their meals in four to six meals a day, because it taught them portion control. And what it helped them with was they never got really, really hungry, because every two hours though, they were feeding, so they never let their body get really

hungry to where craving started to kick in, and then they made bad decisions. So it helped with good behaviors. So the science was explained terrible with the whole four to six meals a day, like you're right, but there's tremendous value in somebody portioning their meals out and small meals and eating them every two to three hours.

And it's not because the science says it's better for burning fat or building muscle. You're building in discipline. It creates good behaviors in discipline. Next question is from Maddie Stu, how to know when you're training too much for your goals? Yeah, well, the easiest way to know if you're doing too much is if you're not progressing.

Now, of course, that could also mean you're doing too little. So you think, well, which one is it? If you're not progressing and your sore and you're tired and you feel run down, you're doing too much. Not progressing and also knowing that you're working hard. Oftentimes, means sometimes you're also doing too much. Sleep disturbances is a big one for me. That one shows up pretty early.

I noticed I just, I've been restless in the middle of the night. I just, I wake up a bunch of times, and then I realize like, I think I'm pushing myself a little too hard. Another one, and I used to notice with female clients, often was that their inability to regulate their body temperature. So if they were trained too hard,

they would be either really cold or really hot, or just have a poor tolerance to heat or to cold. And then I knew like, okay, we're probably overdoing it. But this is something, especially if you're a fitness fanatic, start to become aware of this, because fitness fanatics are far more likely to do too much than too little. Now, the average person, other way around,

they could use a little bit more work. Well, I also think that the ultimate goal, regardless if you have specific goals with your physique is to get to this kind of intuitive place of training. And if you're always focused on an in goal or result, you'll never get there. You have to learn to enjoy the process and the journey and do it for other reasons than just,

oh, I've got this race or I've got to do this show or I've got to lose 15% body fat and you're tracking and measuring, then you lose out on the whole journey thing. And I think that, and that's kind of how I'm reading this question right now, because it's kind of worded different, right? It's like it's not like how do you know when you're over-training the body?

It's more like how do you know when you're training too much for your goals? Like when you're, like when you should kind of step away from your goal and focus on something else to come back to your goal to, you know, progress you instead of just hammering this very specific target. Yeah, I think when you know you're training too much

for your goals is when you have to have goals in order to go to the gym. If you have to have a goal that you're trying to go after, which by the way is very normal advice that people give. Like, oh, you need to set the goals and you need to have all of stuff like that. Not a long-term approach, but it's a short one. Yeah, and it's not bad.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but if that's the only way that gets you to the gym is that you have to have this destination in mind that, oh, I have a competition or I have this race, I'm going to do. That is not a long-term approach. No, or I have friends I'm competing with. We put all our money in the pot, like, okay, maybe not a bad strategy to kickstart, but you don't want to stay there. At one point, you need to work out

because it enhances all aspects of your life and you enjoy the process of doing it. That's how I judge it now. I judge it by the quality of my life in the present. Is my workout making me better on the podcast? Is it making me feel more energized when I get home and hang out with my kids and my wife? Yes, strong, and able body.

Yeah, does my body feel good or my workouts super enjoyable? And then that's how I'll judge it. And if those things start to decline, in my case, it often means I'm doing too much because I'm more on the fitness fanatic side. Next question is from Hakobu. What are some ways to deal with protein farts? You know what's funny?

Is that there's a name for it because it's so common. Is there a way to deal with this? Yes, and because it's so the reason why what story comes to mind right away when you when you hear That time hanging around with Because it was the most it was the worst I've ever in my life experience Well, I've been around protein for we were held hostage without it literally was a gremlin that came out and then it grabbed you on your back And wouldn't leave and wouldn't leave. You couldn't leave. There's nowhere you could go. It was on you.

So, here's a deal. It's so common that people think that this is a normal reaction from taking protein or eating protein. Oh, protein-farts. Yeah, that's what happens when you have a lot of protein. No, that's what happens when your digestion is off. You should not... Now, farts are not supposed to be putrid. It's true. That is a sign that your digestion is a little off. Not as mean your farts should smell amazing, but it doesn't mean that you fart,

and then your partner's like, I got to leave the room, or you're embarrassed because you pass gas and everybody is just like running out of the room. If you have this issue, it's a digestive issue. So what I would say is examine your food or your protein powder. Do you know how many people take way protein? Get protein, fart and think it's a digestive issue. So what I would say is examine your food or your protein powder. Do not many people take way protein, get protein parts and think it's normal, not realizing they probably have an intolerance to weigh and they probably should switch to

something that's easier digested. Some advice, look at the food that you're eating and maybe you're not digesting it well. That might be the issue and you could try elimination. Where at what point does like what point does farting become no longer like a natural? Like you would you would say that the the process of your body farting once or twice a day is pretty natural. That's more than that. I think the average person. I don't know how many times they are. Yeah, that's where I'm where I'm going though with this is like at what point is it not natural anymore? And it's your body trying to tell you you're probably consuming too much of Something that becomes painful. You have painful gas like oh my god, I have to fart and then the really bad smelling ones Is telling you that there's something off with your gut or the foods that you're eating that you're not digesting well

Because I mean you can still get that for something like broccoli I mean like I know for some clients in myself Yeah, it's just I don't know if it's that because there's like some of the methane production of that Is it high sulfur diets? Well, they can however try this I used to get clients that would say that You tear me up They used to say the same thing and I'd say try Cooking your broccoli really well. Yes, probably that happens again, and it doesn't yeah It's because broccoli can, for some people,

be hard to digest, especially if it's raw or barely steamed. Just cook it more and then see what happens. Yeah, change your diet up. I used to think this was normal. Oh, I mean, a high protein diet. That's why I, having these terrible, you know, farads or whatever. No, it's not the case.

Digestive enzymes can help. So we work with a company called Mass Zimes that makes digestive enzymes that can help but Mainly it's you're probably consuming Something in your diet that's not working with your digestion or you're not getting enough of fiber or maybe you're eating too much fiber That can also be a problem. There's too much dairy for me when it was real I can tolerate a certain amount of dairy in my diet But when I when I was like lots of dairy that's when I experienced that and if like if I had let's say a certain amount of dairy in my diet, but when I was like lots of dairy,

that's when I experienced that. And if I had, let's say the same amount of protein a day, let's say the protein target was 200 grams. And I went on a kick where I was consistently eating 200 grams, all from meat and whole foods, no problems. If I, in order to hit 200 grams, I was having one or two protein bars and a way shake in there, maybe milk or ice cream or something

Also cheese in the diet that would that would fuck me up I mean also, I mean do we consider as well that it's liquid and you're drinking it and you're also ingesting more air as it's going down And you're also consuming more calories than normal. Yeah, but that would be that would make you fart more But that doesn't necessarily make your farts smell terrible. In terms of the smell of it, but I think your own fart smell terrible. I don't think you do. That your own fart,

I can tell when my smell. You like your own farts. And when he does, he traps us. That's, is that true? Do you always smell your fart? If it's smelly, I do. You smell it no matter what. What?

It's true. Don't lie to the audience right now. Everybody likes to smell their own farts. If it's if it's smelly, I do you smell it no matter what what Don't lie to the audience right now Everybody likes to smell their own parts. That's a that's first of all. That's a saying. I don't think it's true I it's not true. That's true. I have never smelled my far and thought to myself like Mmm, that's it. It's definitely you don't stop worse when it's somebody else's You're 40 something years old and you you have smelled a lot of your own parts if you were to fart right now You would smell it if it's smelly, I would, but it doesn't mean I get it. What do you mean? If it's the only way you know it's smelly, it's because you smell it every time. So if I smell it, I'm not sitting here thinking, that's great. I'm thinking, I can't get away from it. It's

attached to me. Do you take, do you believe this? I don't believe this. I think you love it. I believe he does this. That is the worst. That is so not true. That is the most disgusting thing. You flexing the mirror. Oh, wow. Look at that. so not true. That is the most disgusting thing. See, flexing the mirror. Oh, wow, look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and mix it in with flexing. Kind of a weirdo. You imagine, you walk it up to get a new trend. It's just like, that's me.

You know what, I bet you that exists somewhere. There's probably a weird fetish. John Rufflin. Remember that video, Cake Farts? Anyway, don't look it up. That was a thing on the internet for a second. Look, if you like our content, head over to mindpumpfre.com,

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