Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1691: How Isometrics Build Muscle, Why Working Out More Can Actually Slow Your Gains, the Benefits of Regular Vs. Hex Bar Deadlifts & More

Episode Date: November 24, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how much more progress can be made with four vs. three full-body workouts a week, the difference between a regular deadlift and a hex bar deadlift, whether isometrics build muscle and their utility in training, and advice for someone who wants to start online coaching but has no experience. Mind Pump Fit Tip: For fat loss, should you focus more on the calories you burn manually or choose forms of exercise that teach you how to burn more calories automatically? (5:07) The pros and cons of continuous glucose monitors. (17:21) New product alert from Organifi! (22:23) Which will come first, augmented reality (AR) or virtual reality (VR)? (27:50) When Channing Tatum films in your backyard. (35:30) So, you say you like “golden showers?” (37:18) The concept of Universal Basic Mobility, defined. (40:07) The guy’s take on companies dividing up to focus on different things. (48:54) When will the real estate bubble burst? (56:11) #Quah question #1 - How much more progress can be made with four gym sessions per week vs. three full-body workouts a week? (1:00:03) #Quah question #2 – Is there a huge difference between a regular deadlift and a hex bar deadlift? (1:04:42) #Quah question #3 – If isometrics don’t build muscle, what is their utility in training? (1:08:39) #Quah question #4 – What is your advice for someone who wants to start online coaching but has no experience? (1:14:15) Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Anywhere and the Fit Mom Bundle – Both 50% off! **Promo code “NOVEMBER50” at checkout** Mind Pump #1387: Turning Your Body Into A Fat-Burning Machine Cardio Sucks for Fat Loss – Mind Pump Blog Signos raises $13M Series A to give you real-time weight-loss advice based on your blood glucose levels Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Facebook and Ray-Ban are rolling out smart glasses that actually look cool. Will anyone buy them? Free Guy (2021) - IMDb Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Brass Against Singer Pees on Fan's Face During Festival Set Universal basic mobility, defined Like Basic Income, But for Transportation J&J plans to split into two companies, separating consumer products and pharmaceutical businesses All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg With Soaring Home Prices, Government May Back Home Loans of Close to $1 Million Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #1615: How To Work Out Every Day For Maximum Results (Workout Included) Mind Pump #1275: The Best At-Home Workout That No One Is Sharing NCI Certifications x Mind Pump 3 Things You Should Know Before You Become a Personal Trainer – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump x NCI Mentorship Coaching Mind Pump #1492: Five Things To Look For In An Online Coach With Jason Phillips Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Peter Schiff (@PeterSchiff)  Twitter Jason Phillips (@jasonphillipsisnutrition)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, hop, mind, hop, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. By the way, if you ever want to ask us a question that we can answer on an episode like this, go to the Mind Pump Media Instagram page

and post your question under the Qua meme. So it's Q-U-A-A. Q-U-A. Qua. Now the way we opened the episode was with an intro portion. So that's what we talk about current events. We bring up scientific studies, we talk about our sponsors.

Today's intro was 54 minutes long, then we got to the fitness stuff. So here's what went down in today's podcast. We opened up by talking about fat loss. Should you focus on the calories you're burning manually, or should you choose forms of exercise that teach you to burn more calories? Or the better way.

Automatically. Then we talked about a company with a continuous glucose monitor called SIGNOS that just raised $13 million. They might be doing things differently. There was a bit of a debate here in the studio as to whether or not it's going to benefit people for reels or not. Then we talked about the new coffee creamer from Organify.

It's got electrolytes and nutrients that will benefit you. Plus, it tastes delicious in your coffee. By the way, Organifi is a plant-based supplement company that makes protein powders, gold juices for evening use, red juices, which are good for pre-workout, green juices for overall health, and much more great supplement company.

We've been with them the longest. They're one of our oldest sponsors. We love working with them. Oh, and by the way, they're having huge sales going on from the 26th to the 29th. And I believe it might even get extended. Nonetheless, massive discounts on a lot of the products. Go check them out.

Go to organifi.com. That's ORGA and IFI.com forward slash Mind Pump. Then use the code Mind Pump for some of those discounts. Then we talk about Rayban making smart glasses. Now they're gonna record all the stuff you look at just in at the beach. Great. Then we talked about the Amber Lens glasses

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If you want blue light blocking glasses, these are the people we recommend. Head over to FelixGrayGlasses.com, that's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses.com, forward slash. Mind pump, then we talk about Channing Tatum, Justin was super excited. He was in his neighborhood. Yeah.

Then we talked about, what was that group called brass against? I guess they are a cover band for Rage Dance The Machine. You won't believe the special bonus. The punk rock move ever. The special bonus, the fan got on stage by attending one of the shows. I know Doug just bought tickets to the next one. It was golden. Then we talked about universal basic mobility in Oakland.

They're experimenting with all kinds of new products. Then we talked about companies dividing up to focus on different things. So that was a cool part of the conversation. Then we got to the question. So here's the first one that we answered. This person wants to know how much more progress can be made with four gym sessions versus three. So how much better results are meeting at more?

More, more. Four days a week versus three. The next question, this person wants another differences between a traditional deadlift and a trap bar deadlift or a hex bar deadlift. The third question, this person wants to know about isometrics. What do they do for the body? How do you program them? What's the deal? Then the final question, this person wanted some advice because they want to start an online coaching and fitness business. Also, all month long, we are having a huge sale.

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Send the name I just read to iTunes at minepumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Favorite time of the week. Dole. All right, here you. Favorite time of the week. Do. All right, here is your fit tip of all the things that you can value with exercise. The amount of calories you burn while you do it

is actually the least important. You wanna focus on the adaptations and what that means for the body. All right, guys, this is so- Oh, blast to me, oh my God. How dare you say that burning the calories? Where does everything sell? You mean, calories Oh, blast to me. Oh my God. How dare you say that burning the calories? Where does everything sell?

Yeah. I mean, calories in, calories out is all that matters there. Yeah, well, you know what? Calories in versus calories out. That is important for fat loss, but what we forget is your metabolism naturally burning more calories is what you're after. Not the calorie burn while you exercise.

Your body adapts so fast to that. When the study's done on cardiovascular activity, for example, cardio burns a lot of calories per hour in comparison to other forms of exercise. And over time, the body becomes efficient part of it because it pairs muscle down and make it more efficient at cardio. But the other part of it is your body tries to get better

at those activities. And you find that it starts to, those effects start to negate, you start to lose those. You can't blame your body, your body is just trying to maximize whatever it is you're telling it to do. That's right. So you have to look at it differently

and to be able to get your desired results, you gotta be smart about the way you train. So are you telling me if this is my first time listening to this podcast and I'm here and I'm trying to lose 30 to 40 pounds and I'm just getting started on my fitness journey and one of my friends recommended me you guys and you're telling me that I shouldn't do cardio

that's not how I should start to lose body fat. Not quite, but I'll say this, if your goal is to lose. Thanks for creating that avatar. If your goal is to lose weight, what you wanna do is focus on the adaptations that the exercise that you're choosing induces and then what does that mean? What are those adaptations mean? Yeah, how about you simplify that since this is my first time listening to that?

No problem. No problem So if you if I'm doing resistance strain your strength training the primary adaptation is strength and muscle the side effect of that is a faster metabolism Cardiovascular activities since you brought that up the primary adaptation is endurance stamina, not strength, and what it does is it tells my body to become more efficient at that activity. Therefore, I can actually slow my metabolism down and studies will show that when cardio is the only form of exercise in a weight loss protocol

with a calorie restricted diet, you tend to see about half of the weight that's lost being muscle. The body literally is slowing down its metabolism. And that calorie burn that you get from the activity, your body actually starts to balance that out and adapt. So are there ever examples of doing cardio in which it can speed my metabolism up?

Or is it always catabolic and it always will slow down the metabolism? Well, I think, okay, so cardio has health benefits. So I do want to be clear, right? Yeah, let's take out the health. Like it's literally coming up. I'm here, I want to lose body fat as fast as I possibly can. That is my main focus.

So is it going to help me in pursuit of that or is it not? You know, I think a little bit of cardio might, but the primary form of exercise should be one that speeds up the metabolism. Also you said fat loss, not weight loss, right? The fastest way to lose weight would be to tie yourself to a treadmill and cut your calories. But then you're going to be losing a lot of muscle along with it. But if you want to lose just body fat, you want to send a signal to your body that says, at least keep this muscle or maybe build a little bit of muscle.

That's what you get through resistance training. And so the reason why I opened with this is that the average person tends to value exercise, and this is not necessarily their fault. This is how we've been sold through popular fitness media, that when you rank forms of exercise and the average person wants to lose weight, the most valuable ones, the one that burns most calories. This is what machines will tell you, burn this many calories per 30 minutes. There's articles that show you this. And the reality is that's one of the least important things about it. Well, the general masses are so indoctrinated in that way of thinking that it's...

It's honestly, we should be bringing this up like every other podcast just because it's still common thought. That's what all of these gym franchises speak to. That's what all of the machines that you buy and the infomercial speak to. That's what your jazz or size probably, whatever you're buying online, they're all banking on the fact that they're trying

to make these exercises hard, make you sweat, make you feel something, and feel like you need to keep moving your body at an incredibly intense degree in order for you to get anywhere. Yeah, that's the burn calories approach. Just burn. Burn the calories manually. I'm saying teach your body to burn more calories

automatically, right? Speed up your metabolism. And by the way, when that's your approach, burn as many calories as possible manually with calorie restriction, your weight loss does initially happen very quickly, some of it being muscle, but then you'll notice, and I'm sure a lot of people watching this have experienced this, you plateau because your body adapts and becomes more efficient.

Hit that wall. And then your next step is, well, I guess I got to cut my calories more. I guess I got to do more cardio. And then you can see at the end of the day what that ends up turning into is this unsustainable approach versus making the cornerstone of your routine something that builds strength and muscle. And that results in a over time faster metabolism for a lot of people. So the weight loss might start off slower, but it's a bit of a snowball effect later on. Your leaner and it's easier. Yeah, I feel like your average person sitting down, the biggest gorilla in the room is that they're overweight.

Or maybe that's something that's like the most impending issue. And so the first thing they think of is I just need to get rid of the weight and not thinking about building their body and building their body up to create something that they could actually have longevity with and strength, but also you could get to the point where the burning, the calories part becomes automatic.

Yeah, and it's sustainable. And, you know, it is important to, you're not using elephant because it was offensive, was that the reason you went through it? You know, no, I just thought of changing the analogy. Because we're talking about weight loss right now. I think gorilla is probably more offensive. Yeah, now, hold on, those are both, those are interchangeable, right? The gorilla in the room or the elephant in the room. I think you, I've never heard gorilla in the room, does it?

I have. I think I have, yeah. I have. There's a gorilla. Oh, two to one, you're a little stinker. Yeah, I'll do one. You know, have you guys seen elephant in the room? Have you guys seen it?

It is, by the way, I'm gonna go back to weight loss versus fat loss, but have you guys ever seen that video where they're showing how your brain will choose to ignore certain things, so you'll effectively be blind to certain things. So there's this video, we've all watched it, I think, where people are throwing a basketball back and forth.

And they don't have a gorilla go through the background. Yeah, so they say, count how many times the basketball has passed. So you're really focused on the basketball, and then a dude in a gorilla suit walks through, and at the very end, you're expecting them to tell you how many times does the ball pass, and they say, did you see the gorilla? And you're like, no? Like what?

Yeah, even though it walks right through your line of sight. Is that the same trick as the bus driver trick? You know that one before, like, people get on. You know, yeah, you're the bus driver, right? And let me, let's see if you can figure out how many people get on and off the bus, and then you go through the whole thing of like, you go to this stop, you pick up five people. Then the next stop, two people you can figure out how many people get on and off the bus and you go through the whole thing of like you go to this stop you pick up five people then the next stop two people get off and seven more people get on and the next stop and you do that and that's

the very end of it you go who's driving the bus well though you say what color the bus drivers eyes oh and then people are like huh you're and they got the math 72 yeah so because they're so focused on that task specifically yeah yeah so I think blind It's elephant in the room and then the 800 pound gorilla. Yes, that's another story saying that has no relationship to the elephant. So it doesn't mean the same thing. Does not mean the same. Can you read the quote that it says?

So the 800 pound gorilla is an American English expression for a person or organization so powerful that it can act without regard to the rights of others or the law. We use that totally wrong. Yeah. Yeah, we kind of failed on that. Write that down Adam. You guys were on my side and then you went and fucked it up. Yeah, that's good. This is like Adam's on a roll.

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They're way the same, but they look radically different. And with strength training, resistance training, you get body composition change, not just weight loss. I didn't want to make that work. Can you simplify a little bit more for this person too that's listening to the physiology behind why would our body slow its metabolism down because of doing cardio? So in a simple way as you can.

Okay, so it's not just doing cardio, it's that's the only way or the primary way that you train in combination with a calorie deficit. Your body's always trying to get better at what you're asking it to do, right? So if I'm doing lots of steady state long distance type cardio, long distance running or cycling or swimming, I'm asking my body to build lots of endurance and stamina. I don't need a lot of strength. In fact, you need very little strength for endurance type activity. And because I'm burning a lot of calories

while doing that activity, my body is trying to become more efficient at that activity. So I don't need muscle, I need endurance, and I need to become more efficient. It pairs muscle down. It doesn't burn the muscle, I need endurance, and I need to become more efficient, it pairs muscle down. It doesn't burn the muscle, that's different. It just pairs it down to make you a more efficient cardio machine, not unlike a AI car

that would adapt to your driving habits. You know, if I drove my car 400 miles at 35 miles an hour every single day, it would adapt to be a very low energy consuming vehicle versus if I took my car to the quarter mile and practiced a couple quarter miles every day, it would adapt to be a very low energy-consuming vehicle, versus if I took my car to the quarter mile and practiced a couple quarter miles every day, my car would adapt and become an even simpler way of saying that you were teaching your body to need less calories a day to survive. Right. So, the pairing down because muscle needs more calories to survive. It's expensive to

do. It's expensive to do. And by you pushing the body by burning lots of calories and consuming very little, of course, the initial thing is to lose weight, i.e. body fat and probably some muscle. But the consequences of that is the body becomes efficient at that. And then it slows the metabolism. Meaning that it doesn't need as many calories as what it needed just two months ago when you were eating twice as much and doing no cardio. Yeah, so like if you look at like the biggest loser, we read an article a long time ago, I felt what it was, but the average calories consumed

after the show to maintain that weight loss, it was something in the neighborhood of like 16-air calories with tons and tons and tons of activities. So all these people lost a hundred pounds, but now they're in a position where they have to work out so much and eat very little to maintain their bodies. And that's an extreme example, but obviously unsustainable. We want to get people in a position to where they burn

more calories at the end of their fat loss journey. And they don't have to work out like crazy to maintain that calorie burn because they've got a faster metabolism. Right. Much more sustainable. And that's the approach that I have. Well, and the opposite is true that the like we're to my point is that you lift weights,

say no cardio, and for every pound of muscle that you gain over the course of weeks or months, your body now needs more calories in order to sustain that in in turn speeding the metabolism. Yeah, and it's not even just the muscle gain because I know there's someone watching right now, I was like, eh, there's a study that showed every pound of muscle and it's not even just the muscle gain, because I know there's someone watching, and I was like, there's a study that showed every pound of muscle, and it only needs 15 calories or whatever.

There's a range of calorie burn, your metabolism will achieve with the same lean body mass that you currently have. There's a range of calories, and your body can choose to be more or less efficient. It's a very complicated process, but you could take someone and just, because you're telling the body you need strength and muscle

and feeding it a certain way, even if they don't gain muscle, their metabolism will move more towards the burning more calories. If you restrict their calories and do forms of exercise that tell the body, we need to become more efficient. Even if they don't lose any lean body mass, within that range, they'll move over to another direction.

And this is why people like Lane Norton, for example, argues in favor of reverse dieting and all that kind of stuff, when people are like, oh, five pounds of muscle doesn't burn that more, many more calories type of argument, has more to do with that range. And then of course, extra muscle does require. Speaking of calories, metabolism, all this stuff, did you see that company?

I think it's SIGNOS. I don't know if I'm saying that, S-I-G-N-O-S, maybe Doug could pull it up for us. They just, I think they just took on, took on 15 million, I think that's what they just did. Just a bit of continual glucose, mother. Yes, yeah. It's supposed to be pretty sophisticated too.

It's supposed to like help them predict and tell them what foods they should. Really? Yeah, maybe Doug could pull it up for us. I just saw it in my tech watch. I saw that it was apparently apparently was also giving diet recommendations, which is interesting because not just like you kind of taking a food item and then kind of watching to see how that affects your blood sugar level, but also like based off of that now, could it

have some recommendations? Yeah, that's a big leap. That's a big plus because the previous ones just told you, here's how you're insulin- Like, here's the data, here's your- So, what do you guys, I mean, we haven't, it's been a long time. We actually talked a lot about glucose monitors a couple of years back. You just, there hasn't been a lot of news around them since then.

I mean, it was, I think it was on the front end of kind of cutting-edge stuff in the last decade and then it's kind of been quiet for a while. And I think it was on the front end of kind of cutting edge stuff in the last decade and then it's kind of been quiet for a while. And I think a lot of that has to do with, they had to be prescribed, right? So you couldn't because they're invasive, right? Because they have like little tiny needles that go in. And they were kind of making headway in terms of like making that more accessible for your average person and that was sort of like the last time we had discussed it.

But which was, there's a lot of potential, I think, benefit to these in terms of like getting insight. Yeah, you needed a prescription. So if this is available without a prescription, that's a big plus. I do, I believe so. I think that's part of it. Maybe Doug, you can find that. The article that I read, I think, and I don't know how they're doing that because I thought that if you do have anything that's even invasive like that at all, that goes into your

space. It's a tiny, tiny little, little, little, little, little, little. So I don't know what they did to bypass that, but I think that you don't need a prescription to get with this company, and that's why it's blowing up. You know what they're thinking they're gonna be the leaders. Here's the pros and cons in my opinion of these.

I think fitness and health-minded people will benefit greatly from this. That's right. I think the average person is not people will benefit greatly from this. I think the average person is not gonna make a dent because it doesn't address the behaviors that are associated with eating a particular way. And that's the real issue. It's not that people don't know

that they're eating necessarily bad food, or they can make better food choices. It's the behaviors around them, and it's just really hard because of that. And if you don't address the behaviors in the psychological piece, you can give someone a diet plan. You can tell them all the perfect foods for their body and whatever. And they're just, it's just not going to work.

Well, it's the same reason why Fitbit didn't solve the obesity problem. Right. I mean, I think that was, I think it's a tremendous tool. Very broad stroke. And I really do. I agree with you, I think. And by the way, there's exceptions to the rule, right? There's always that one client that you had that they just needed that one more piece of data to bring it all together for them to make sense of, oh, that's why I couldn't lose weight.

Now I get it. And then that's something that's, there's always exceptions to the rule. But for the general population, the same people that have a hard time writing down and tracking their food or disciplining themselves to go to the gym every single day or look at their Fitbit to see what the feedback gives you

are the same people that I think are gonna have a hard time with this and this thing's even uglier and more invasive than like a Fitbit. And so I really have a feeling, the same people that buy a Fitbit, the same people that use the fat secret app or the My Fitness Pal are the same people that are gonna getbit, the same people that use the fat secret app or the My Fitness Pal are the same people that are gonna get a kick out of something like this. I agree, it has to be a tool that works

on the behavior somehow, not just giving you information. That's why I think, and I'm not, this is not definitely not the first choice for me, but I think that, that Novo Nordisk, that's the former company that has that weight loss drug, I think that's gonna have a greater impact because you inject yourself once a week and then you just eat less because you have less appetite Of course that will be dude. I mean because it's time you can find a magic pill to help with fat loss or muscle Meaning it will always do that. You know, it works. The other stuff requires

Inputting following rules That's like a general population goldmine. It is, because you do it, and it just makes you eat less. You're just not as hungry. So it does work on the behavior from that aspect. It doesn't get to the root, root of the behavior, but it's much more like, oh, I just get this injection, then just eat like I normally do, and I end up eating less.

Do you remember that company I brought up a long time ago? I wonder how they're doing. I forgot the name of it, but it was like, I think you like ate, it was like a gum or a lemon. You suck on it and then it made like sugar taste like and it's disgusting or whatever. I forgot all about that company. I wonder how they're doing.

You know what I didn't like about that? Is that you still have to choose to make food not taste good? Now, if they could give you like a pill and then that pill just works for like a week, and then that would work, but I could see people being like, I mean, I just wanna take that out. People would still hate that though, you know? Because again, this is like punishing yourself,

because it's like, well, I can't enjoy this food, you know, instead of like really dealing with the fact that, you know, the underlying issue that's really there. Well, hey, speaking of enjoying food, I wanted to ask Doug, because I saw when we were up in Truckee, you pulled the new, organified creamer, what'd you think of it? I liked it.

I mean, it reminds me a bit of the bulletproof coffee. That's what I thought. Yeah, so it has the MCT oil taste, a bit of a coconut taste. It's very coconut. Does it have MCT? I know, obviously I had coconut, I can taste that. It does, so it has MCT in it also.

Yeah, so here I'll read the ingredients too. So one serving of this creamer is about 50 calories. Not bad. It's got coconut milk powder, coconut sugar, coconut MCT powder, coconut water, then there's organic aquabin, so this is from Marine algae, magnesium, sea salt salt aloe vera Basically, you're getting electrolytes and some phytonutrients and healthy fats. Yeah now from for sugar too

Yeah, or no tiny bit very very little bit. Yeah, you're looking at a total of Three grams of sugar. Oh, sorry, so very minimal but the fats Really help your body absorb the caffeine in a more sustainable kind of sustained way. You get kind of this more even. That's why people like bulletproof, I think, so much. You felt longer lasting. It kind of takes your energy a little further

and also keeps you a little bit more satiated. Except bulletproof's like 400 or 500 calories. Yeah, we haven't talked about bulletproof coffee in a very long time. So I'm curious to like, I mean, there was a kick. I know everybody went on when they were using a try and I feel like there's two very distinct camps there. You either talk, mad shit about it, that it's ridiculous that this whole idea of like,

oh, for fat loss, go ahead and start your day with a 400-h allery cup of coffee. That's a great idea. And then other people that swear by it and say that it's amazing. How do you guys feel about it as a strategy for somebody to, you know, for overall health or of our fat loss? I think it tastes good. Okay. Here's why it helps some serum.

Yeah. Here's how it helps some people lose weight. They drink this big coffee in the morning with butter and coconut oil, or MCT oil in it. And then they don't eat breakfast in lunch and then eat dinner. So the weight loss really is the fact that they had 300 or 400 calories all day instead of 800 calories all day because they ate breakfast and lunch. So they're skipping meals and then eating dinner and then they think it's a cost. But I found that's a temporary thing, right? Because the longer you go skipping that breakfast,

like it has more of a detriment over time. For me, in terms of metabolism and everything, I've noticed that. Like, you know, like, again, this is just one of those things. Like if you are pulling out some of your normal habits of like where you're, this is where I get a majority of my calories and I'm reducing that right now, you're gonna see benefit to it. Yeah, I think, I think when it comes to fasting, some of the best biggest benefits come from doing it, not all the time, but long fast every three or four months.

That's where you see some pretty profound, like a 48, same to two hour fast. You see some really, really big. Well, what about like mental clarity? So, because one of the things I remember, I remember feeling sharper from fasting, and then does an MCT oil have some benefits when it comes to mental clarity?

If you're in, if you're like a ketogenic state. Yeah, if you're in ketosis, MCTs get converted really quickly to ketones. So you get this energy right away. And now I feel clear too when I fast, but I save it for when I need it. I don't do it every day. I get a, I get a, I start to lose the effect

if I do it all the time. But if I'm like, which makes sense, body just gets adapted and used to it. Yeah, but if I'm like, oh, we got three podcasts and you know, I want to be super sharp, then I'll fast throughout all of them and then I'll find myself being, you know, my wife. Have you guys tried, I think it's Laird Hamilton.

He is a version with like turmeric and does like these. Oh, golden, what do they call it? Golden milk or golden? Yeah, it sounds like it'd be gross. I don't know, it sounds interesting. If you had, yeah, turmeric in lattes is not too bad actually. No, well, that's what the organified gold juice is. It's turmeric.

Yes. Now that tastes amazing. Yeah, but organify has some like magic stuff going on. They do. It's serious. They're green juices, like everything they've made, like that's why that company has hit it out the park. Yes.

Because it tastes amazing. And it's good for you. Yeah, they figured it out. You normally get either or. It's either you're all health and you taste like you're very healthy or you taste amazing and you're just not very healthy. Yeah, you ever look at like protein bars

with a gas station? Yeah, you look at the macros. You mean a Snickers bar with 10 grams of protein in it? That's literally a hell of a game. I'll never forget as a young trainer when that like light bulb finally went off for me. I remember being at it. It was actually a gas station.

It's probably a detour bar, right? Or something like that? And I remember looking at the sugar content, the total calories, everything, the fat, all that. It was like, and I had like a Snickers bar. And it's like literally, this is just a Snickers bar with 10 grams of protein, which even the Snickers bar, I think has two or three.

So I'm getting like seven more grams of protein with my, with my, you know, quote unquote healthy protein bar. It's funny. I had this conversation with my cousins yesterday where he was like, oh, the future is insect powder because it's so easy to make insects and it's got protein.

I was saying that for a long time. And I'm like, listen buddy, I said, here's the problem. The problem is people don't value food for its nutrition or its health. People largely value food mostly for how much it, how good it tastes. And if you look at any food category, breakfast, lunch, dinner, holiday foods, health foods,

look at health foods. The top selling health foods are not the healthiest. They're the ones that taste the best. That's just what sells the most. That's what, I mean, if you're company like Organifi, you've done both, that's no wonder that company. Yeah, they figured that out. And it's loaded.

Did you guys see, you guys know, like, I've, you guys seem like all the competitors with the whole smart glasses and stuff, or you pay an attention to that at all, you know, at the Google glasses, did their thing and it kind of failed. And then who else did another, there was another company that did it. And I just saw recently Rayban. Rayban has smart glasses now. You see these? No, what are they showing the lens?

What's smart about? They're not tech companies. So it's got built in, like, you can listen to music. It's got cameras on it so you can take videos and take photos. And it's all, so of all the glasses, smart glasses that I've seen, these Raybanz looked the coolest. But I was watching this whole like someone did

you know one of those unpacking on YouTube and I watched them break it all down. And it's the camera's not as good as the one on your phone. The speakers in it aren't as good as your AirPods or our headphones. It doesn't do anything else special. The video time is short and limited on it. The quality of the video and is not comparable to your...

It's just version one, right? So it's trying to combine all those in one way. And I think that's the selling point is that it's just the beginning of where they're going to try and take this. You know it reminds me of reminds me of the... Oh yeah, they look good. Yeah, they did a good job of looking like, it's hard to tell, I mean, because I told you guys, you can tell there's cameras there. But they look pretty close to the,

didn't Snapchat have some? Snapchat did them for a while and they failed. We had a pair. We had a pair. So this is actually a direct partnership, by the way, with Facebook. So these are Facebook Raybans. So it's connected to your Facebook stories.

So you could be- Not only is Facebook listening to me on my phone, they're going to watch everything. So okay, so you have your app open and you have your glasses on. So basically whatever you're capturing, can you look at it real time on your phone, like what you're like looking at with your video? I believe you can do that. I know for sure what you can do is take photos or video and then automatically uploads to your Facebook stories.

So you know what it reminds me of? When phones first had cameras on them, the camera market was still good because the cameras on phones sucked. But eventually cameras on phones got as good as the ones that you could buy separately. And then the camera market just collapsed. Eventually these glasses are gonna have all these features

that are gonna be excellent. And it's gonna create a new market. So what do you think it'll be? What will it make off, Salih? Because it's not gonna out compete, or at least I don't think it's gonna happen. Here's what I envision. I watched a free guy, right?

That was a great movie. And in that movie, he's in the video game. He puts on his glasses and all of a sudden things appear. Yeah, for the Higman and Greeley. Something like that. Like I put the glasses on and as I'm walking, and I walk by this, you know, this Mexican food place, and their Yelp reviews pop up right in front of me.

And if I want, I can look more, or I can order from right from my glasses. Or as I'm walking, if there's a feature turned on, it's got facial recognition, it'll pull up someone's Instagram right above their head as I'm walking, if there's a feature turned on, it's got facial recognition, it'll pull up someone's Instagram right above their head as I look at them or, you know, I'm looking at a product and I can see the reviews or I can look it up instantly. So it's all in front of me whenever I want and I can access all that's how I picture it in the future.

Yeah, you know, it'd be a massive hit. You know how big Pokemon Go was, you know, I could see that easily of like having some little augmented reality dinosaur thing, you know, off that they have to go find or whatever. But yeah, I mean, I'm sure, again, this will be kind of weird because I don't know what the rules are with that and marketing to kids and all that kind of stuff, but I can see a lot of potential.

Well, this is what I brought up the other day of, when I asked you guys, what do you think is gonna take off, AR or VR? Because you have a split with some of the big monsters. I think AR. I think AR is like first, only because I think it's not to be as easy or crazy. It doesn't take as much a commitment.

Yeah. Because here's a thing with VR, you got to be sitting down, you got to have this thing covering, you can't just do normal things. You have to be committed to sitting down and having this as like your entertainment. Think about all the apps that they can make with AR glasses, right?

Imagine health apps. So I put all my glasses, it does a bunch of stuff, and then when I look at food, it calculates the macros. It recognizes chicken breasts, three ounces, you know, estimated calories, estimated macros. Enter this in, yes, pink, and I am true. That would make sense. Imagine I'm at a gym, and I look at a machine, and it shows. Enter this in, yes, beep, and I am tripping. That would make sense. Imagine I'm at a gym and I look at a machine

and it shows me how to use that machine and what body parts. You know, imagine, I mean, imagine going to a nightclub and you're looking around it picks up people's faces or you're driving and you can put your directions on right away in your field of view through glasses. Like the app creators are gonna go crazy.

Either way, I mean, it has to look cool. Because because like if it doesn't look cool the consumers are not going to get behind it So I can see potential mainly because like Ray bands already kind of a cool brand and they make great looking frames Much like you know Felix Gray, which I actually just bought so remember we talked about the amber lens version of this Strongest one. Yeah, so I got them mainly for the screen initially for my kids because they're on iPads are on laptops all that kind of stuff all the time to get the eye strain, they act like little monsters after they're done and that's helped. But you know, the getting them to the bed to bed part, like I don't I don't do what you do with like, you know, lighting candles and all that, which I could get better at that.

But I just bought those, I'm hoping that'll be sort of the next step in that direction, to get them to calm down a little bit. Yeah, your kids are on fire. They're crazy. They're on fire. So have you noticed that they sleep easier if they wear them at night before bed?

Yeah, and I think that the amber, I'm anticipating that's gonna be even better because, you know, it sort of be even better because, you know, it sort of helps kind of get, you know, the circadian rhythm in that direction. So I can't, if I watch, if I'm gonna watch a movie right before bed and I put those on, I give myself about 35, 40 minutes

because then I can't stay awake. So if I'm gonna watch a full movie, I can't put them on. Cause about 35 minutes in, I find myself, those amber ones. Yeah, they're really, really strong. Yeah, I'll use the daytime one, if I'm watching it, watching a movie like that. Now, the part I have, I'm curious is a dad

who doesn't have kids as old as you guys as kids is, do you feel though, like you're the dad who's like trying to force your kids to do that or do you feel like they're accepting it and they like it? Like what does it feel like trying to get? To where it lasts is? Yes.

I'm trying to make it more, almost like it's a uniform. Like it's sort of something that, like, if you're gonna spend time on here, you gotta, you know, put on the glasses. It's just like a thing they do. Yeah, and I, you know what? I'll be honest, I haven't been super good at it about it recently and they won't.

I if I don't say something. So I think it's like one of those, like, So Justin's a better father. Yeah. I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, we're all drawn with it. It's true. No, I think it's like you, you know, it's like one of those things like, oh, you want

to go to electronics, you have to wear this. I don't think they'll do it on their own. Although you hope that they notice a difference. Oh, you definitely have to be involved to make sure you establish the ritual. I would just want to get into it though. Maybe they thought they're cool because they are cool. They're not, they're not dorky like the old blue blocker plastic. Different things are cool these days.

So this is why I'm asking, because I'm wondering, because you guys are bringing it, it's probably why it's not cool. If a friend or somebody else introduced it to him, maybe it would be cool if they saw somebody's using it. Maybe the moves get all their friends. Yeah, or maybe Phil Scraini's

to get some of these young YouTube influencer people to be wearing them. So so then maybe that's when the kids take a percent. All those kids that are on YouTube, like talking about video game. Yeah, she's all be wearing. I feel like if they were if they were rocking it, then then the kids would be like, Oh, this is cool. And they can make it kind of trendy. But I think my dad telling me like, you need to put these on before you get on the computer, because it's

going to strain your eyes. It's like, you fell like, Oh, I can't shoot a beef gun because I'm gonna shoot my eye out. That's what you feel like, you know? So, you know what this reminds me of, like, maybe. You guys remember, you know the movie 21 Jump Street, the remake that was like, I don't know, it is now maybe 10 years ago. It was chaining Tatum. Yeah, hilarious, right? I watched that the other day.

It's so true, right? Because they go back to high school and what used to be cool isn't cool anymore. Yeah. I was, he had his like cool muscle car. And they're like, I'm like, I'm a Sam. How many miles per gallon is that? And he's like,

I don't know six and they're like, God, that's terrible for the environment. Yeah, right. His backpack on one strap versus two. And all the stuff was back. And he's like, if anybody steps, you punch him right away. And then there's like,

that this kid and he punches him. And they're like, you punched the gay black kid in the school. Is that, oh my God. Why would you ask that? Because he had, he's like, what am I doing? Dude, I feel like I never even told you guys, but he filmed a movie like my old house that I sold like right down the street.

Recently, during the pandemic. I didn't know that. Yeah. I think it's called like dog something, not dog town. Was Courtney there? She just watched all the time. Yeah, I told her about it. You know, excited. And I was like, well, he, not dog town. Was Courtney there? She just watched something. Yeah, I told her about it. Side in, I was like, well, he's not here now.

What was that new one that he did? Yeah, I don't know, I'll have to look it up. But it was so random because there was like, oh, these trailers and I was driving by, at one point they had like somebody out there like directing traffic. I'm like, I'm just trying to get to my house. This is one, you know, small road one small road that goes to a dead end.

And so they picked this one random off road that goes up through all this ivy and it's sort of off adjacent to that road. And anyways, I have no idea what they shot there. I'm really curious though, because he was there and then some other famous person, I'm like, what the hell are they doing? Like in my backyard.

Yeah. It was weird. I know you're a big fan too. I am. Oh, it's just quite awesome with his movies called Dog. Yeah, Dog. No, not in 2022. Wow, good job, Doug.

Yeah. I'm so good. I'm looking forward to that. Dude, speaking of famous people, okay, what the hell did you say yesterday with that cover band? Oh, the bro. Okay, so I forget the name say yesterday with that cover band? Oh The bro, okay, so I forget the name of the first of all I don't realize it was fully filmed. Oh, yeah So it's the so I got DM. I love all of the listeners. There was like a rage

It's a race against the machine right or the raging against the machine is was the concert It was the opener. So whoever the band is I'll have to look up the name of the band. I'm gonna find a Brass I thought it was brass against the machine. You might be right if I'm correct. Not Brass against the machine. Yeah, because they're Brass instruments. They're Brass, it was Rage against the machine they open up for. And they're, I think they're a cover band.

They're a cover band. Yeah. Okay, it is. It's Brass against. Oh, just Brass against. Yeah, so I'm really, it's called Brass against. And I mean, they look like a badass group or whatever, but the vocalist, the girl that sings in it, Sophia Yerista.

I'm a panic per- Oh, polar pet, look at it, it's all over the place. He's trending right now. One day go, two hours ago. Literally, literally a fan. You're in Nista. A fan goes on stage, and apparently she'd been complaining to the audience how she gets to go to the bathroom. So the sky's like, I don't know how it went down, a fan goes on stage and apparently she'd been complaining

to the audience how she gets to go to the bathroom. So the sky's like, I don't know how it went down, but the dude laid down, the whole thing's filmed. She stood over him, pulled her pants down, squatted, and peed, and I mean, it wasn't a little bit of peed. You know what I feel like? She's a peed-a-walk on a space. All over the door.

No, it's like legit, legit, right? So I think, now the dude looks legit, right? So I think, now the dude who looks like he was upset. I think there's this movement that's been going on for a while now of like, you know, badass, like famous chicks, going back in history and looking at the most ridiculous things that men did and trying to one up.

Did a guy do that? No, not that specifically that, but you've had like Ozzy Osborne bite the head off of a bat and you're like, I don't think a dude would get away with peeing on a chick in on stage You get that that's so this is one-uping it. That's my point my point is like you know, and what's her what's her name? Came up with the WAP song. It's like it's not like men haven't done songs that are you know me so horny or so crazy over the top of the past I feel like there's this movement now from women in powerful positions or fame to go like,

all right, what did some of the dudes do in this? I'm gonna fuck you now. Yeah, I'm gonna pee on you. I'm gonna warn you about that. It's gonna piss on the guys facing the monster. I couldn't believe it. I thought, you know, because they're, oh, it was filmed by a fan.

I thought you kinda see it. No, no, it's like full on. And it's not like drip drip, it's like splash. And it's going. Yeah, and the dude had a mop, you know, like after. And the dude underneath. That's like, isn't that he got a whole, that's a whole porn category, right? Goldie showers and then they call that. That's that's it. That's it. That's one of those things that, um, sour saying he's really into. Oh, come on. Oh, that's an off air conversation.

Sorry. He's like, Hey, hey, change the directions I have to Oh, that's a hammer. Oh, that was an off-air conversation. Sorry for the ride. Or guy, you just like to have a ring. Hey, change the directions I have to pull this up. This is better for your search engine here. Pull up, universal basic mobility. I want you to read the article of the guy because I actually want to have a discussion. I know these guys aren't up on this.

The government is going to have universal basic income, but it's exactly like that. The government's going gonna provide mobility exercises for everybody. No, it takes basically a clear close. What? Well, it's not around exercise, around movement, it's around transportation.

So they are trying, it's already being passed right now in Oakland and they're already doing it. Oh, they're gonna subsidize bus rides, e-bikes, and scooters. Already happening. So it's already happening. So they're, and it's very interesting, because it goes online with our talk about how we talked about how cars are gonna kind of go away

and there's gonna be this, you know, no one owns anymore, you just have a- But it incentivizes you to go public transportation instead of like, penalty, taxing you for your carbon emissions, whatever. No, you know what this is even better because it's e-bikes and scooters. So here's, okay, so if you look at government-funded things,

oftentimes you'll find that they're just not efficient. They cost more than they return and they're not very effective. For example, in California, I have this, this, what do they call it, the rail to nowhere? We've been building this high-speed rail forever. It's still happening? It's costs us, I don't know, how many hundreds of millions or maybe billions of dollars.

I thought it's already done and there's people that are only using it. I think they halted it. I think they halted it. But it's a complete waste of money, a boondoggle. It's obviously to special interest groups. Nobody cares about it. That's part of the green plan.

But yeah, and it's always someone, one of their friends at. Right, anyway. But in some countries, public transportation is extremely valuable. It's part of the culture though. Not just part of the culture, it really does save money, makes a big difference, and it's very valuable.

New York City, for example, in some cases, it does very well. Yeah, but I think that was how wide this failed was because that way of transportation has ingrained in the culture for so long that it's just the way people do things. And it's not that it wouldn't be beneficial right now. I mean, if there was a train that would underground that took me from my house to here,

it would be way better than sitting in traffic like I have to, but because we are so accustomed here to driving all the poison. Also, we have the infrastructure. We're driving culture. It would cost so much money. But I don't, this is interesting to pay, to subsidize private transportation, like e-bikes, scooters. I mean, who knows?

Maybe they'll throw a burger in there. No, it is. So this doesn't show it. This one, this jug just pulled up the first thing, but I read an article that's, like basic, you know, the UBI, right, except for all things transportation. And then it would, you would get like a $500 card every month,

and it works on all of those things to use for transportation. Now I'm gonna take you to step further. Five. So it's $300 on a prepaid debit card. Not all that who apply will be approved up to 500 participants will be randomly selected or they're testing it. Yeah, this is the Oakland one.

So Oakland's already, there's Oakland and some other places are already currently testing it. But it's very interesting to me because it's already moving in this direction that we talked about where maybe people are not gonna own cars anymore. And when you do the math on,

I mean, when you talk about car insurance, gas, the car payment, maintenance on the car, you average, I've seen this before. And they averaged out per year on average, what the average American spends. And then they look at like, what if that same person was provided, unlimited access to all this or that and that they actually said that they could save already. We have the ability to save money by doing that. Now here's where I would take it a step further.

You're going to give someone a debit card for $300 for transportation. There's a bit of bureaucracy there to check things to administer this. In other words, they're getting $300 but it probably costs tax payers, I don't know, $400 or $500. Why don't you just give people, if you wanna give people money, just give them money and then use it however you want. You want to spend on transportation?

That's cool. Yeah, but they care that's cool. Then the initiative that they're trying to accomplish. I know what they're trying to accomplish. It's not gonna work. Like you give a bunch, you give 500 people in Oakland, San Jose or or any place for that matter, a $300 bill versus $300 they have to use on this.

They're not gonna use it for that. I know, it's all controlled. You want to control it. But it's not about, this isn't like welfare where it's trying to help somebody who needs help with money. This is about encouraging people to use transportation that is going to benefit the environment

and so they have to keep it like that. Oh, this is for green, because I mean, you have to qualify for it. Yeah, that's what I think. I think that's just right now. What you just read was Doug pulled up Oakland's, they're testing it, just like they just did the UBI with Oakland.

You had to qualify to be even the test group to do it. It's, they're using the people to prove if it's a valuable thing or not. I just think if people knew what percentage of each dollar that we take in taxes that's supposed to go to programs that help people. So this and welfare and housing and daycare and education subsidies and stuff, if you could see how much of that dollar went to the bureaucracy, that all the government all that stuff. If you could see how much of that dollar went to the bureaucracy, that all the government people and stuff.

There's a much easier free market answer to this. I mean, it's a similar example that would be like the golden pass that you have for California and like all the ski resorts. So I can buy a pass, it's like $1,200. And I can use that at every single resort in California. and I think Colorado and Nevada stuff like that right so you would just do something where Instead of you know subsidizing it making it a government program like allow people to charge a card With their own money. Let me put $300 card and then now I can use this for all these different modes of transportation Just to simplify it so then it's like it makes it very easy for me to go,

I can get a car payment and insurance, which it costs me on average, at plus gas, I think. That's all for tax benefit. Yes, $600 or so a month, that's right. And also give some sort of a tax perk to do this. There's your free market answer. And allow people to put their own money

and charge it in that car, give them some sort of a tax kickback. You don't need anybody to oversee it and manage it. That's that kind of drive. Even if people didn't have the money, and let's say we want to help them with some kind of social safety net, just give people cash, just give them money.

Do what you want with it, you're gonna make some bad decisions, fine? I mean, to me, that, it'll save us so much. So the part before the horse, in my opinion, like the first thing to do is to prove that it makes sense, the average person would wanna do it. Then when we see that people start to adopt it,

they like it, they start using it. Then you go, hey, here's a way to help people out that have lower income. I don't think so. I think we're already spending this much money on all these programs. Let's just say per person it's $10,000, which I don't know what the number is,

but I'm just gonna use that number. We're already spending that money. And we know that at that $10,000, $3,000 goes to the bureaucracy. So we're gonna say, look, here's what we're gonna do're already spending that money. And we know that, at that $10,000, $3,000 goes to the bureaucracy. So we're gonna say, look, just what we're gonna do. I love your money. I love your free market libertarian mind, but you fail to realize how many people

need to be told what to do. It's fucking, as much as I, I love it. I know that's the attitude of the people that want to control other people. I don't think so. I think they'll be better off. You cut the bureaucracy, give the people the money. I'm sure a percentage of them will.

I don't disagree with that a percentage of those people will, but the truth is there's a good percentage. There's people that want to be led, bro. I don't want to be told. No, no, no, if you look at the use of some of these things, people are trait, they're selling their food stamps, just for cash making less money than it's worth because they're trying to do other things.

There's a whole black market for a lot of the stuff. I don't, I see it being so much more valuable. You know what it reminds me of? Peter Schiff, I think that's his name. Did you see his tweet that he did on taxing billionaires? I thought was absolutely brilliant. Oh, I did see that.

That was what he said. That was really smart. He said instead of taxing billionaires on their, more on their income, what you should do is add luxury taxes to things that they buy. So make add attacks to yachts and jets and really expensive, so that when billionaires

go to spend money on themselves, then they're spending a lot. I know that was brilliant too, but doesn't luxury tax already exist? Is that already a thing? Yeah, but you can hike it up. Instead of taxing them on their income, which could go to innovation, investment,

their companies. Creations of jobs. Yeah. Tax them when could go to innovation, investment, their companies, creations of jobs. Yeah. Tax them when they go to spend it on luxury shit. That makes so much more sense. No, I agree. You go buy a yacht or a Ferrari, paying an extra three to five percent in taxes on that for that person is not probably going to change their mind whether they buy or not.

And that's that amount of money could go into helping the overall economy. But I think that just making taxing their income, which in turn hurts the way they grow and scale their business is a silly way to do it. I thought that was brilliant. Yeah, I think that's so brilliant. And along those lines, when we're giving people money, but then so much of it is wasted for all this bureaucracy,

it's because we had to tell people how to use it. No, I'm sorry, it's only for childcare. I know you need more education, but sorry, this's only for childcare. I know you need more education, but sorry, this is only for childcare. You gotta apply over here for that other subsidy or whatever and such a mess. Just give people cash. I mean, I should let them choose.

I should let them travel back and forth on that, right? So I just, I don't think anything's perfect by the way. Like, you know, definitely, I think we all agree on that. And I want to believe that in this complete free market that it would work the way we're saying. But, you realize it's not a free market. It's still a government funded.

You know, you're still getting taxed to pay for the social safety net. So it's not full free market, but it has the components of the market in the sense that nobody spends their money better than the people who risk losing it. And you give people freedom, some people are going to spend it on stupid shit, that's true.

But some people are spending on it. It's starting a business. It's not that different than the signals conversation we were just having. The truth is, who will it really help? The people that are already probably budging their money and good with it and making good choices. Who is it not going to help?

The people that are taking advantage of welfare and doing that bullshit anyways, it's still not gonna help them. You're right, but who's getting hurt right now? The people who want to move ahead, but they only got money for shit, they're not gonna use it. I mean, your idea and theory is that you're just simplifying it,

so there's less government. Simplifying it, less government, it saves and stuff. It saves way more money. Our tax dollars go straight to the show. Theoretically it does, yeah. And so I think that's, and it's just like school choice.

Like I think if people could take their public school money and then choose the school they want their kid to go instead of being stuck in the shitty school that's in their their crappy neighborhood like my god well I've always thought we school should be competitive if schools are competitive that I you would see this you would see this rise in in competition for sure Oh yeah, I mean, I can imagine a single parent was in this neighborhood and like, man, that school's terrible that I forced to go to and my kids getting state money to go there. Why can I just pick another public school?

I'm gonna pick that nicer one over there and then the good ones grow and the shitty ones shrink. I think it's super valuable. Did you guys also see all the companies that are starting to break up right now? J and J is breaking up. General Electric is starting to divide up into... Johnson and Johnson?

To like, so you know, Johnson Johnson's like, you know, Q-tips and Listerine or whatever, like mouth and heat for all kinds of things. Well, in part of their... So it's like you're gonna have a, like a good, good and services type of business and then you'll have pharmaceutical, you know, so they can separate.

And supposedly it's a smart strategy to get more money and more backing, because there's certain people that are probably invest in J&J, that they invest in J&J because of what they're doing with drugs. And there's other people that like, oh man, they crush it on the retail side. And so what it'll end up doing is it'll attract more money

that's more specifically allocated towards where you see them doing the work that you wanna see. So supposedly, and General Electric, I saw like two other big companies happen, several companies are doing it right. You know it's really weird. So, I've been listening to that podcast, he referred me to all in, I wanna give him a shout out.

Great podcast. By the way, if anybody knows a host, let us know we'd love to meet and talk to them and try and get a hold of them, exceptional podcast, but they, and they're really, really smart when it comes to investments, the money in the markets, super, super high level, very, very entertaining. And they made a really good point. They said, basically, you could have thrown your money at anything over the last 10 years, and you wouldn't made money. And they're like, art, baseball cards. It's been a really great day.

It's stock market, real estate, and they're all like, it's kind of bubbly, everything's kind of bubbly. And I was like, that's true. I can't think of a single general investment you would have done in the last 10, 15 years at Wembley. This is what scares me about the crypto runner now. It's so crazy for me to even hear myself speak differently about crypto.

When we first started talking about crypto of all of us, I was the most proud. And now I feel like I've shifted the other direction and it's because of how many people, it's purely on speculation. You are buying that cryptocurrency, speculating that somebody else is going to pay you more on it. It is not, it's on anything else.

It does not provide any more value to your life or potentially someone else. It reminds me of the ghost towns in China. You literally are buying property, speculating on that someone else. It reminds me of the ghost towns in China. You literally are buying property speculating on that someone else will think it's just as valuable or more valuable in a year or five years from now and you're banking on all of that. It has no, it's not functional.

You can't use it for anything. It's not even shelter. I feel like the same thing with this crypto, it's like we have no idea, okay? What crypto is for sure gonna be the one that most people accept or what companies are still gonna continue and go and so you're You're betting on some news and some hype that you hear and you're really crossing your fingers that hey Hopefully it'll it'll sheba in the next two months

And I can become a millionaire too, but it's like there's not because of the technology is brilliant Not because the company is doing something revolutionary or new. It's purely office speculation It's those those rare stories, right? Oh, I know somebody that made a hundred million dollars and you know It's it's known people but I haven't known when they actually Converted that to yeah, I realized it. Yes. Have you like because I know I've heard that quite a bit But I have not heard people being able to convert that to cash and then be able to take that in, pull it out by a cheap way.

And then being like, I'm done. I'm done with crypto. You have to have a buyer, right? On the other hand. Bitcoin is not as easy as I think people realize. Yeah, Bitcoin is pretty liquid, right? There's typically buyers for Bitcoin, but some of these other ones, you might be stuck.

Yeah, Bitcoin because it's one of the foundational ones. Yeah, so you might be stuck, right? You might have a look. And even, again, even on that, it's still speculation. I mean, I think you are, it has the, obviously, the most likely to be accepted. Yeah. If we go full on cryptocurrency, and even if we don't go full on, it's most likely to be the one that people, and people are actually, there's, please, lenders are taking it.

There's definitely people. There's a lot of drug dealers that are using it, so it's being used. There's always a market for you. Yeah, 100% it's being used. So I'm not denying that. But buying it the way it's going right now is purely speculative. It's you are banking that someone is gonna give you

more money for it in six months. You know what's funny too, is that? You look brilliant right now, like you said. I know, and they have this like, they have this army of like fervorous crypto maniacs especially on social media and on the internet. I guarantee you I know when he did it. That's what I Guarantee you in the comments of this

Oh, I'm gonna piss somebody off. There's so many. Oh, you don't even know crypto is Yeah, double bank. I would we crypto. I just I mean whatever more power and I'm not I'm not hating I mean, I hope you I hope you make millions of dollars and I hope it's you've done well doing it and more power to you I just I prefer an asset that's actually something that does something producing income for you Yeah, something that's doing something. Yeah, you can take that same amount of money and put it into something You put it into companies that are paying dividends or that's growing and scaling and has a product and you can watch You get better or you can put it in real estate where you can rent the property out, cash flowing it.

It's an actual real asset. This is not a hard asset. It's all speculative. And a lot of greed plays into it because you're like, I don't want to sell, even though I made 300%, I don't want to sell because what if it keeps going up or whatever. Exactly. I would say, I'm not a financial advisor, but the way I would look at it is I would take that money out real quick. Okay, I made some money and I'll be putting something real

assets. Historically, he's got some stability right? Well, speaking of that Justin, did you see, I know Salisog, because he sent it over the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac extending out the loans to the government back, yes, government back loans going up to a million million dollars now. Oh my God, dude. Well, you know what, they had to do this. If, if, if, so one of the things that a lot of people said, like, you know, what was going to happen with this real estate, the people that thought it was going to bubble those going to burst any day now was like, at one point, these houses are going to go

beyond what people can reach. Yeah. That they can get loans for, that they can afford the down payments, but they just boosted this another $200,000 plus on average so they can actually back these and people get these loans. So, and just guess what, I don't think we're gonna see ever again, like, Negam loans, but don't be surprised, we start seeing more government programs

to encourage people to watch us like a lot of 40-year loans start coming out. Watch them come out with things to encourage people to get tied up in a loan to get tied up into a mortgage for the rest of their lives just in the installation is good. Yeah, right. What you say is a good thing to get inflation is good. That's what that's what's seen in some of the media saying. Shit, your mouth.

You know what the problem is is that you don't want to be the politician. Yeah, that stuff says hey, stop the gravy. Hey, everybody, we't want to be the politician. That's stuff says, hey, hey everybody, we're gonna feel some pain. I got to raise interest rates, sorry, things are going crazy. Nobody wants that bubble to burst on their watch. Nobody wants to do that. And so they're just gonna pump it up until there's a calamity. Because nobody wants to be remembered

in the 1970s where they stopped inflation, was they jacked up interest rates, which caused the recession for a couple years And then there was a boom right because things got cleaned out. You know the problem by the way with raising interest rates is We have so much debt that if we raise interest rates to control inflation. We won't be able to service the debt Yeah, we are literally we're beyond repair there bro. We are stuck, which is why you should buy crypto The average person has to understand is the people that are making these decisions don't give a fuck about you.

They wrap it up, but it's like putting pig on a lipstick or lipstick on a pig. They can you think, you can put pig on a lipstick? Or a gorilla. Yeah, making you think that they're trying to help you out in all these programs. No, they're helping themselves. Yeah, they all stuck in lots of different companies.

They all have real estate. And so they don't care. The price of milk or gas or things that are going up a dollar, four dollars. What does it matter to them? If you have millions of dollars in assets, like companies and like real estate, they don't give a shit.

So that you guys gotta be careful. The people that are voting for this stuff to go through, man. It's gonna get really weird. And we just did another one trillion got passed yesterday. Just throw it out of a helicopter, sprinkle it on everybody, see what happens. Yeah. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the podcast.

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How much more progress can be made with four gym sessions per week versus three full body workouts a week? Okay, so more is not always better. What? The right dose is what's going to be best. For you, and the right dose is dependent on your own individual context and your body and your training experience.

Most average people will get best results with about three full body workouts a week. If you're pretty consistent, you've been working out for a little while, that fourth day I think you could throw in mobility or some trigger sessions, you'd be fine or maybe do an upper lower split, but honestly, more is not always better. Sometimes it is, but oftentimes it's not. You can get a lot done with three days a week. Well, I'm gonna go further and say, most times it's not. It's actually very rare that I meet a client

that four days a week of them in the gym is going to be better for them than doing a three day week full body routine. Other than the only other exception that I feel is the people that have already built a consistent routine of like, oh, this is my one hour every single day I go to the gym or I exercise. And so in that case, I would still structure them a three day week, strength training, full body type of routine.

And then I would encourage mobility and yoga and walks on the other days and say, okay, still go to the gym. So, you know, you can go to the gym four, five, six, seven days a week. And it be extremely beneficial. But a four day split type of routine versus a three day full body, I have found in my experience that more people have benefited from the three day than the four day week. Now, there are exceptions to the rule. Of course, and when I'm coaching competitors, yeah, many of them are training in the gym, but we're talking about high level athletes

that are getting on stage and competing have been training for a long time. The general population, most of them do much better here. Well, and too, like if you keep it within that three day structure, you can ramp up intensity. You can mess with the different acute variables within that framework, which also, two, I think people just forget all about the recovery process. That's a huge part of your success in terms of being able to adequately recover and then

adapt and then gain muscle. All that is a vital part of the process. So to have that structure, it's a nice balance structure. That three day a week schedule, adding another one. I mean, yeah, you could kind of like change your focus a bit in the gym or if you add it like six days a week, but you'd have to make sure that the majority of the hard foundational type workouts were adequately spaced out.

Yeah, along those lines, I think it's great to be active every single day. I think it's great to do something every single day. But when we're talking about structured resistance training, which is geared towards building strength, building muscle, there's a certain level of intensity. Three days a week is ideal for most people. Now, again, you can be active all those other days. You do things like trigger sessions or mobility work or walking, or if you like, if you're into sport,

you could do the sport type activity. But more than three days a week of actual resistance training, I think it should be reserved for people who are really advanced, Who've got great recovery? And if that's you if you've been working out for a year or two consistently and you want to add a fourth day of real You know traditional resistance training. I think that's totally fine But you're not gonna get you're not at some point there's diminishing returns at some point you'll add an extra day And you'll get a little bit of benefit you actually day and you start to get negative benefit. I mean when Doug hired me

He wore he did two full body workouts a week for I think two years before he even moved to a third day. And then he did that for like a couple of years before moving on to more. Well, I'm glad you brought him up because he wasn't a beginner lifter either. He wasn't, and because I was just gonna say after you said that about reserve for advance, I'd say I'd proceed

with caution even if you're advanced. This was one of the most pivotal moments in my training career. I'd already been training for almost a decade before this came together for me. I was six days, seven day a week, and I remember dropping down a three, it blew my mind. I was in the gym half as much lifting weights,

and my body was progressing faster than it ever had in the previous five to seven years. So, it more is just not more. You just you think that the more you hammer the weights and you hit it, the better your results are going to be. It's just not true. And I would say more often than not, it isn't. So I always start with less, start with less, see how much you can accomplish with that

and then build upon that. Next question is from FB Salis. Is there a huge difference between a regular deadlift and a hex bar deadlift? What's the difference? And am I missing out on anything beneficial by not doing the hex bar? There's definitely a difference.

I would even maybe call them different exercises. Both of them are called deadlifts. Now, hex bar deadlift, I think, or trap bar deadlift, I think is a great way to start deadlifting. It's easier to do. It places less potential strain on the low back. I would have a lot of clients start with a trap bar deadlift. For athletics, sometimes it's more valuable

because it's more functional for certain types of sports. But as far as like working the body the same, a trap bar deadlift, you're gonna get more of that anterior chain, you're gonna get more quad, less of the posterior chain. You know what, a bar is in front of you, the weights in front of you, that does change the exercise quite a bit. Do I think they're interchangeable? Maybe. I mean, I've gone through periods where I've just trained

traditional deadlifts for so long that I feel like I need a break Then I switched to the trap bar and then I go back to my normal straight bar and I feel better But I don't necessarily think that they're always interchangeable. I think they're very different in the field Well, I think And this person's asking right they deadlift already and they're asking are they missing out on anything by not doing the hex bar I think if you're conventionally deadlifting and missing out on anything by not doing the hex bar. I think if you're conventionally deadlifting, you're checking enough of the boxes

that missing out on the hex bar, you're not missing out on a ton. I think if you only hex bar deadlifted, and you never conventional deadlift, you're missing more. You're missing more by not conventional deadlifting. That's how, now that all that being said, I always think there's value in different movements,

a different exercise, it's a different exercise and it's got different applications to it and it has value for multiple reasons, scaling back sometimes more athletic performance. You can do explosive things with it a little bit better. Easier, I love a hex bar deadlift for teaching a client. Sometimes clients can't get into a conventional deadlift position and so a hex bar is a great place to regress them and start them off before you progress them into a conventional deadlift position. And so a hex bar is a great place to regress them

and start them off before you progress them to a conventional. But as a lifter who is already conventionally deadlifting, I don't think you're missing out on a ton not by a hex bar deadlifting. Yeah, I think too, like in terms of your point of it being two different exercises. I look at it, the conventional deadlift

is being more hip hinge, right? And it versus like, to me, it feels more of the hex bar deadlet's more of a squat. Vect squatting with a weight in your hands. It's basically squatting just from, yeah, from a different loading perspective, which it helps to more evenly distribute. And maybe it does distribute a bit more

on the anterior chain versus the posterior, but at least it's a little more evenly distributed that load versus the deadlift really forces you to have everything in good communication posteriorly. Nothing really focuses exclusively on the posterior chain like a deadlift. So I agree to those points of it being probably, if you're not including conventional deadlifts, you might not be receiving the amount of benefits you would otherwise. Yeah, and you can lift a lot more with a trap bar,

that's for sure. I can lift about, if I recall, about 70 pounds more. So whatever my max is in a traditional deadlift, I could typically do 60 to 70 more pounds on a trap bar because I get more quad. Yeah. But in terms of technique and being able to teach this to the young athletes, I prefer the trap bar.

I do too. You know, mainly because of just that risk reward and just like the amount of time it takes to really get their mechanics and not, you know, establish. So you can still get the benefit there. Otherwise, but you can't explode the benefit there, otherwise, but- And you can't explode. And you're not gonna do explosive deadlifts with a straight bar, but you can do explosive,

a trap bar deadlifts, you can jump with a trap bar. Definitely. Try doing that with a barbell in front of you. Definitely. You can do farmer carries with the trap bar, I think, more effectively too. Next question is from Grant Satterstweight. If isometrics don't build muscle,

what is their utility in training? Who said they don't build muscle? Exactly. Who said that? That's fixed that first. Yeah. Isometrics build muscle. All forms of muscle contraction contribute to muscle growth, now some more than others.

But that doesn't mean you only should focus on one because the others have no value. They all have value, but here's the value of isometrics. First of all, they do build muscle. There's many studies that prove that. Yeah, you will build muscle with isometrics. Not to the extent you will with like full range of motion training, but one of the benefits of isometrics is I can focus on a specific range of motion.

If I'm weak at the bottom of a squat, I can really focus on that bottom position of the squat. If I really want to connect to a muscle, isometrics really are effective at allowing me to connect to a muscle, isometrics really effective at allowing me to connect to specific muscles. It's also not as damaging. Like I can go high intensity isometrics, and it's not gonna require the same recovery

that traditional kind of resistance training is gonna do. So isometric, here's a deal. Everybody's always asking, what can I add to my routine to make it more effective? Now, so long as you don't over train, Isometrics is usually one of the best answers. You can add Isometrics to almost any routine. You'll take this much more recovery,

but you'll get this much more in return. So, yeah, in the irony, it's like it spans all the way from the very, very beginner to the advanced. That there's benefits all the way across the board, and it's kind of funny that they said that you don't build any muscle. When, in fact, any muscle contraction, whether it's like eccentric, concentric,

or isometric, either one of those, is going to, you know, actively stimulate the muscle in order to produce, you know, some kind of an output. So, you know, it's going to stimulate the muscle, which, in fact, if you do them, you know, enough times it's going to affect the muscle, which in fact, if you do them enough times, it's going to help them grow and develop as well. But yeah, isometrics, I mean,

I think it's just because it's just not as popular, not as familiar, it's not as sexy. People don't like to focus on that portion. Of contraction very often, but there's so many other benefits to it that get you really connected to the central nervous system. It actually acts as a way to alleviate pain, almost instantaneously,

which is a very amazing feature of it. And then building muscle, of course, is another huge part of that process. Well, I think it's because in the moment, or right, initially, if you compare it directly to the eccentric or concentric portion of the exercise, it doesn't build as much. So I think that, and I say that like in the moment, meaning like, you know what, what's that thing that you and Jess call always say, so the, your type one fun and your type two fun, yeah, you have like fun that is like fun while you're in the moment. Like, think of that like feels like more work. Yeah. And then you have like type two where it's says, you're type one fun and you're type two fun. You have fun that is fun while you're in the moment.

Think of that, it feels like more work. Yeah, and then you have type two where you get added benefits later on. That's how I think of the isometrics. The isometrics may not feel like or does not seem like you are building as much muscle as full range motion exercises in the moment, but it has this great carryover later on

to the points that you're making just right now with like CNS. Like your ability to contract like that, get a stronger, better contraction, recruit more muscle, will only in turn make you better at your full range of motion exercises later on, which will only make you build more muscle later on. So not training it because you think it doesn't add

as much muscle or build as much muscle as a full range of motion exercise, doesn't mean that it doesn't have tremendous benefit. This is another example too of how studies can suck sometimes. If you took a study that showed, these people only did isometric contractions for six weeks. These people only did concentric, these people only did a centric,

which one built the most muscle or the course of six days? You're just looking at size or something. Yeah, you're gonna look at, by itself, in a study for six to eight weeks, you're right, the eccentric and concentric full range of motion is going to probably beat out for total muscle gain than the isometric. Yeah, but the isometric still built muscle. Right.

You know, when you have all three contractions, concentric, which is the lifting, right? E-centric, which is the lowering, and then isometric, which is this, it's not moving, but you're contracting hard, either pushing against an immovable object or just doing it intrinsically. If you compare all three, eccentric builds the most muscle. Second place would be concentric, third place would be isometric. But what people forget is they all built muscle.

That means if you add them to each other, you get this cumulative effect. Compounding. That's what I'm saying by that, right? So it's like, even though in a study like that, if we were comparing, you'd go, oh, well, I'm not gonna waste my time with that one because it's the third most beneficial

when it comes to building muscle, but that doesn't tell the whole story of what the carryover you're getting from training. By the way, bodybuilders have a long history of isometric training. In the 70s Arnold used to talk about doing it to sharpen and harden his muscles. Bodybuilders today still do a lot of isometric training.

Now, they don't talk about it in their workouts because they don't consider posing as part of the workout, but bodybuilders are posing constantly, especially before competition. What is posing? It's all isometric. And by the way, for people who are like, oh, posing is easy. No, it's not. When you're on stage and you're doing a front double bicep, you don't just flex your arms. You are contracting and controlling every-

Strong men's a better example, even better. Right, I mean, they got to carry objects in an isometric position. I mean, they're moving with weight a lot of times, but also, too, they have events where they're actually just holding on to really heavy objects that are pulling them apart and they have to squeeze as hard as possible.

There's lots of events centered around just if they can keep their position intact and strong in that position. So, you know, isometrics play a huge role. Next question is from Twin Sanity Fitness. What is your advice for someone who wants to start online coaching, but has no experience?

All right, so I'm going to go first specific. Okay, we work with a company called NCI coaching and they are, in my opinion, the best in the business at taking coaches and getting them to the point where they're successful online and success as defined by getting their clients good results. But also it's one of the only certifications that focuses on getting these coaches to build their business. That's another part of being an effective coach is you gotta be good with your clients, which is a big part of it.

Obviously, be good trainer or coach, get people results, do a great job there, but there's a business side too, and that business side, you don't learn from almost any certification. NCI does both. Now I'm gonna be more general. Okay, here's more general advice. Go be a trainer at a big box gym for a year before you try

doing online coaching. If you're new, if you're brand new, I think you'll learn, you'll become so much better online if you train people in person first for at least a year. Because I believe online coaching, especially when it comes to fitness like exercise, it's harder than being in person. In person, I can give, I can watch your move, I can see cues, if I don't have that experience and I'm texting with someone and they're explaining how an exercise feels, I'm going to be clueless. But if I train people a hundred times and they say, man, it's really weird when I do cable

rows, I feel kind of pain in my lower back and I know, oh, tighten your abs while you're pulling the weight because I've trained people in person so much and I've done that queue to help them. So that's more general. Do some personal training in person in a big box gym. They'll provide you with opportunities. It's easier to get clients there. Do that for a little while then go online.

No, that's why I'm glad that we've sort of been a part of this and been a part of these conversations with these coaches and trainers, cause this question comes up a lot. And a lot of them are brand new to the space. And I do agree, you know, the physical part of it is hard to replicate, but, you know, the part of that process is being able to figure out what the right questions are to ask.

And to be predictive with that in terms of like staying ahead of your client's needs and being able to kind of, you kind of sharpen it down to what the bare essentials are for them to focus on so you're not overwhelming them with everything. And I think that with NCI, they've built in all of these things in terms of systems for them to kind of help these coaches figure out, I need to create these systems so that way, my client feels like everything is under control, at that way it's somewhat predictive and

they can kind of replicate that with other, and in individualizing, customizing, but you need a framework there to be able to work off of first. And I said, I think that's one of the hardest parts to create first when you're moving online because if you don't have that experience right away, it's really difficult to figure all that out. Well, I'm going to add one more shameless plug, which is you guys plugged to NCI. We have a mentorship with NCI. So if it and it's it, doggies it, mind pump NCI dot com, or is it NCI mind pump dot com? Mind pump NCI dot com. So mind pump NCI dot com? Or is it NCI MindPump dot com? MindPump NCI dot com. So MindPump NCI dot com, and you have the opportunity to meet with us, zoom with us, each one of us once a week.

So every Wednesday, and it's all trainers. So these are all trainers and coaches, both in-person and virtual coaches that are asking these types of questions. So if you're not, and it's unbelievably cheap for what you get, so under $100 a month for you to be able to have Access to all for us including Jason and his team I think there's tremendous value in there and nothing will ever beat in person hands-on training one-on-one

But if you're limited on how much of that you can do This is in my opinion the next best thing or if you have the ability to do both in conjunction would be great would be Going through the mentorship learning from NCI and then addition that also getting some hands-on practice So you can apply the knowledge and information that you're hearing from us. Yeah, you know Adam I want to ask your question because I know you manage trainers for a long time as as as did I At what point did you realize that you would produce more successful trainers by teaching them the business rather than just teaching them to be better trainers? Almost instantly. It was something that, and this is truly what made me a good fitness manager and even a

good trainer. I actually talked about this recently on NCI. They were asking, one of the questions was, Adam, how did you program when you first started as a trainer? I said, that's the wrong question, ask me. It's because it's not going to be good advice. I wasn't a good trainer. I wasn't the nutrition and the biomechanics. All that stuff came later. That came later with experience, lots of national certifications.

Did I, did that come full circle for me? What I was really good at the very beginning was, I recognized that everybody was talking about nutrition, physiology, program design. That's where all the energy was fully. If you heard about a good coach, it was about how well he programmed it or how well he knew nutrition. It wasn't that this guy operated a sick business. I just come from a different background and family and things that I'm into. I'm more into the business side and I was seeking that and I couldn't find it anywhere, and one of the first things I started to do with my staff,

right out the gates as soon as I started, was teaching them how to actually analyze their business by figuring out their show percentage, their closing percentage, the average dollar they sell. Yeah, so how to forecast, okay, so you say you wanna make $8,000 this month? Well, okay, let's just have- There's so many appointments you need to do.8,000 this month, well, okay, let's just have many appointments. You need to do it.

Yes, let's not just throw like a fairy tale number out there. Let's actually break down like how many people do you need to book? How many people are you going to see at what percentage are you going to close at what dollar amount to actually have some, so some real strategy around doing that. When I taught my trainers this and that I was, this was where I had a lot of success was being, later on, the other stuff came, but it was early. It's first of all, it's gotta be a given

that you need to be a good trainer or work on being a good trainer. So obviously you don't wanna be a crappy trainer because I don't care what else you do, great. You're just gonna sell garbage at the point. Yeah, you're gonna suck, it's not gonna, so you gotta be a great trainer. But, you know what I used to do with my trainers, I used to trick them because a lot of trainers,

they don't wanna hear that. They don't wanna hear, I just wanna train people. I don't care about business. If I just train people good, and they're just, for whatever reason, oftentimes fitness professionals, especially when they're early, they're like anti-business, all I wanna do is help people.

And so what I used to do is, he's just trick them. I would do weekly trainings with my trainers and the title of it would be how to activate your glutes more when you're doing your squats or how to correct, you know, common ways to correct shoulder impingement. And they'd come in and I would teach them exercises and techniques for the first 30 minutes

and then the back 30 minutes was I would talk about the stuff that you said because now I have them in front of me and it was the most valuable stuff. That was the stuff that really was valuable because they learned how to become better at what they did, better business, which by the way bleeds into making you a better trainer. Look, I don't care how much passion you have. If you can't support yourself with your business, you're not going to be able to do it. And again, one of the reasons why we chose to work with NCI is they do place some focus

on that. You're not walking into this new career, you know, totally blind. And that's a big deal. Look, if you like our information, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have so many guides that can help you with most of your fitness goals. Again, MindPumpFree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So Justin is at MindPump Justin.

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