Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1699: The Best Way to Train If You Only Have 30 Minutes, How to Train Around an Injury, Bouncing Back After Pregnancy & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pup, right? Today's episode is a live episode. We actually had people call in, ask us fitness questions and we helped them on air live.

Starting point is 00:00:26 By the way, if you want to do this, if you have a great question, email that to live at mindpumpmedia.com and then if we pick your question, we'll let you know, and you can appear live on our podcast. Ask us in person. Now, the way we open the episode was in the intro portions where we talk about current events, we talk about scientific studies and fitness and we talk about our sponsors. So the first 57 minutes is the intro portion. After that, we get to answering the fitness questions.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about fast and cardio. Yes, it does work, but not for the reasons that you think. Then we talked about how the FAA released flight data on Epstein's plane. Uh-oh. Yeah. Looks like we felt like we needed to talk about this. Looks like the lizard people are gonna have found out, finally.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Finally. Then we talked about Epstein, the Clintons, and conspiracies, Justin and I loved it. Good time. I loved it. Then we talked about LeBron James. He's that not spoiled, great NBA player. The never cries when he gets hurt.

Starting point is 00:01:21 He's got COVID. We hope you get better soon, sir. Then we talked about some of our investments. We do have an investment arm of the company, people ask us all the time, what we invest in. One of the companies we actually personally invested in is also one of our sponsors, it's Zbiotics. That's how much we believe in the company. Now they make a product, it is a genetically modified bacteria drink.

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Starting point is 00:02:46 mine pump. And then we talk about baseball cards. We used to collect those when we were kids. Yeah, and I may have a couple that are worth a lot of money. Go check them out later. Then we got to the question. So here's the first one. First question is from Mark from New Jersey. He's been working out once and o if you should just do isolation exercises to preserve his joints or if compound lifts or something that he should continue to add into his routine. Then we talked to Aaron from New Hampshire. This person's been following our programs for a long time. Feels really good. Likes to work out because they love their body, but his question had more to do about not

Starting point is 00:03:23 losing lean body mass, but rather what they can do to keep their protein high and how they can keep their current fitness level while getting surgery, I believe. So, it's got to get hip surgery, wants to know how to maintain his physique or heal from that. Then we talked to Brenda from Michigan. She's trying to get back into shape after having a baby, has to pass some military tests, wanted some advice.

Starting point is 00:03:45 And then we talked to Isaiah from Arizona. He's a new trainer. His gym only allows 30 minute sessions. Wants to know what to do in those 30 minutes when he trains clients. We also gave him a lot of free stuff at the end because we love trainers. That's what we are too. Also all month long, two programs are 50% off. And they're actually two of our most popular workout programs.

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Starting point is 00:04:41 All right, guys, let's talk about it. I like this advice. Fasted cardio. I like this advice. This is a bro science advice. I've only heard this from bodybuilders for the most part. Yeah, okay, so the way that bodybuilders explain it's wrong, but the way that they would explain it is they would say, fasted cardio because you're fasted, you're going to tap into fat stores better

Starting point is 00:05:02 and burn more body fat because you don't have carbohydrates to utilize and so it's a better way to burn body fat. That explanation is actually wrong. However, they did notice that they would burn more body fat doing fasted cardio. There's another reason why they just didn't figure out what that reason was. And it has more to do with behavior than it does physiology. More or everything. Everything. It has everything to do with behavior than it does physiology. More or everything. Everything.

Starting point is 00:05:25 It has everything to do with behavior. And I did FASTA cardio the entire time that I was not in the entire time, but like I consistently did it for every show. So every show I'd get ready for FASTA cardio, heading into the final weeks was always part of my routine. And what I saw was that if I got up and did fasted cardio, I was up an hour earlier moving consistently,

Starting point is 00:05:52 more than I would if I didn't. And even if I didn't get up early, let's say, because maybe I didn't have to be somewhere that day, and I slept in a little bit, and I got up and I still did fasted cardio, I still would go do movement before I decided to eat food, which the reverse would have happened had I not done that. I would get up and then I would eat first and then I would go start my day.

Starting point is 00:06:09 So that would also push meals out even further, which it would have ended up resulting in potentially lower calories a day. So the behaviors around it I found extremely beneficial. And because there's two camps on this, you have the bro science camp that tries to explain it with glycogen stores and then tapping into the fat as your main source of fuel and explaining it that way, you have the bros and then where you're to your point, that's been debunked.

Starting point is 00:06:35 But then you have the other side, the science nerds that want to shit all over it and say that's not true. And then now you have a bunch of people that stop doing it because they don't see there's any value in it or never pursued trying it because their favorite science nerd on Instagram has told them that fast cardio is a myth and it doesn't work.

Starting point is 00:06:52 100% and I would love to challenge that and say, absolutely it does, just not for the reasons that they promote and they say, and I think there's tremendous value in doing this, and if you've never tried this, I urge you to try it. Try it just for a month or two of making a habit

Starting point is 00:07:07 before you eat, before you do anything. And in the beauty of it is, you don't need to push really hard. Just get on a treadmill. Yeah, no, to be clear, right? Apples to apples, everything's controlled. It's about calorie deficit. That's what determines how much fat you lose.

Starting point is 00:07:21 And this is why the science people are like, look, it doesn't matter if you burn glycogen because you're fast and it all evens out. It's all about the calorie deficit. But it's, we cannot discredit human behavior. That's actually the most important thing. Look, when I train clients, when I figured out the behavior part, that's what I trained.

Starting point is 00:07:36 I stopped training the physiological aspects nearly as much because it was all about the behavior. There's one more thing, too. We're missing here. And studies will show this. Studies will show that when people start exercising, even if they have no intention to change their diet and their nutrition, they start to do it a little bit naturally.

Starting point is 00:07:55 They start to change some of the other behaviors because the exercise component has happened. So what I say is start your day off with a workout. And what tends to happen is because the day started out that way, you're more likely to be more fitness and health-minded the rest of the day. And that I firmly believe in is one of the reasons why it worked out. That's where I see the most value.

Starting point is 00:08:13 I mean, it's really just setting yourself up the entire rest of the day with a good practice, good behavior, good discipline. And that could be all kinds of different versions of that. It is a healthy practice that you're trying to establish. Because if you can establish that first thing in the morning, I've noticed too, have you noticed like your best clients that have had the longest success

Starting point is 00:08:36 are the ones that come in first thing in the morning? And it's like a ritual and it's like something that, because nothing interrupts that. If it's the first thing in the day, the rest of your day could go left, side up, down, wherever, but if you can nail that down, whatever that healthy practice is for you, it's gonna lead you in a good direction.

Starting point is 00:08:55 Such a good point. If I'm in the habit of not training first thing in the morning or doing a fast-hit cardio, it's very easy for me to swing into Chick-fil-A right before I get to the studio and go, I'm gonna have a chicken egg basket and cheese sandwich today, and me to swing into Chick-fil-A right before I get to the studio and go, I'm going to have a chicken egg biscuit and cheese sandwich today and then to get into the habit and the routine doing that. It's a really good sandwich.

Starting point is 00:09:11 It is almost impossible for me to make that decision when I've been walking on a treadmill half awake for an hour. You're finished minding. I'm thinking about my day. I'm thinking about the first meal I'm going to eat and what the rest of the day is going to look like. It is so much easier to stay on that track when I started the day. And we can't exactly measure how valuable that is, but I know from experience, it's incredibly

Starting point is 00:09:34 valuable. So the science community that has shit all over the fasted cardio group of people that have been touting it for years, I can't stand because there's tons of value in getting up and doing it. Just because they communicated. They focus on the explanation, but not the fact that it actually works and then trying to figure out, okay, well why does it work?

Starting point is 00:09:51 Maybe it's not this physiological phenomena that bodybuilders created, but it still works. Why is it working? And to the morning workout conversation, look, I'll tell you, I managed big box gems for a long time. These are big box gems. They're not fitness fanatic gems. They're kind of the mainstream type health clubs. And I noticed the trend very early on in my career, which was that's six, so there's two prime times in big box gems, two times when the gym is busiest early

Starting point is 00:10:19 morning. And then of course, after work, after work being the busiest, right? That's when the most people come in. But the after work crowd was far more transient. It was far more, you know, where I would see people come in and then I didn't, I wouldn't see him come in anymore. And there's new people coming in. Then the morning, when I would go in early in the morning, it was the same people all that it was the most consistent members by far. Now, of course, on an individual basis,

Starting point is 00:10:45 if working out first thing in the morning sucks so bad that it makes you not work out, then forget what we're talking about right now. But I will stress this for most people, waking up and starting your day with your workout, if you are fitness-minded, you're probably more likely to stay consistent and it will likely positively

Starting point is 00:11:05 influence the rest of your day more. And look, straight up, this is for me now. My performance in comparison to afternoons sucks in the morning. I don't get as great a pumps. I'm not as strong. I'm not as driven. I can't work out as hard because it's, you know, it's 7 a.m. You know, in the morning, but I'm way more consistent.

Starting point is 00:11:23 I'm better at work. I have better habits throughout the day. I feel good throughout the day. So those first thing in the morning workouts, that's all the value right there. It's not the glycogen and the fat and all that kind of stuff that is only gated once the calories are all counted for the whole day.

Starting point is 00:11:37 Well, if you have the luxury, you can do both because I hate morning workouts. I cannot stand morning workouts. You're always in a good mood early in the morning. So I don't like morning workouts. I cannot stand morning workouts. You're always in a good mood early on the morning. So I don't like morning workouts. I'm a slow person to waking up and I need to have at least a cup of coffee or two before I'm feeling it.

Starting point is 00:11:55 I like to have at least a meal or two before I love to get a hard workout in. It's hard for me to get the ump in my workout, but it is very easy for me to half asleep, get on a treadmill or get outside of my hoodie. Right, so you're doing at least something, right? Right, and just go walk. And I actually really like that it's very meditative for me.

Starting point is 00:12:13 It's quiet early in the morning when nobody else is really out, you're by yourself. I can kind of organize my thoughts, I organize my day, I think about all the things that is kind of my way of doing like your gratitude journal or whatever I start doing into my head, while I is kind of my way of doing like your, you know, your gratitude journal or whatever like that. I'm doing it in my head while I'm kind of walking and thinking about that and your positive affirmations, like, such a great, and it doesn't take a lot of energy. If you ask me to go do dumbbell bench presses with 100 pound

Starting point is 00:12:36 dumbbells at 6 a.m., really, really hard for me to have done it, but it's hard for me to be consistent with doing that being completely honest. That's a good point. I can do both. If I have the ability to get up earlier, so if I'm getting up an hour earlier than what I normally do, to go for this walk, and then I can still do my afternoon lift later on, and then you're getting the best of both worlds

Starting point is 00:12:54 if you're that person. That's a really good point. All right, I got some cool, interesting, fun news. Did you guys know that the FAA accidentally released Jeffery Epstein's flight logs? Okay, so I heard about this, but what do you mean by accidentally? Like how does that happen? I don't know about the accidental part.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Sometimes I think they're like, it's accidental. And you're like, I feel like nothing's accidentally. But the flight logs apparently have been released and people are gonna be going through them. And they're seeing all the people that flew on Epstein's plane to his island. Okay, because I read that they released that in terms of all of the records between,

Starting point is 00:13:32 I think it was like 2013 to 2016 or something, but they didn't release names of the people that are on the flights. Well, somebody, there's also more to this. Somebody was, I guess this is gonna be part of the trial and said things like, oh yeah, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, like all these big players and celebrities and whatever, like a lot of people were on his plane to his island.

Starting point is 00:13:55 Well, it's always interesting when either Epstein is, you know, in trial or, you know, locked up or just Lane Maxwell is like seeing another hearing of what's happening in the news surrounding that. Usually at least two or three major things that we're kind of looking at elsewhere. Meanwhile, this is getting zero coverage. Yeah, the day just lanes things start, it's gonna be like an asteroid.

Starting point is 00:14:18 It might hit your tomorrow. I swear to God, it probably will. Everybody else pay attention to this. On the chronis out here. Dude, this is, but the eight. Volt, Voltron's coming out and last period and people because this is kind of making the social media news people are showing these pictures There's a picture of Bill Clinton walking his daughter Chelsea down the aisle getting married and then Like her head. Yeah, she'll say Maxwell is one of the attendees at the The wedding like front row right there. Well, I saw some absurd

Starting point is 00:14:48 already like their her defense was was trying to argue that like she's a victim of Epstein like of course. Yeah, which makes sense that they would try to That's your angle like he can't re-bottle. They said this is no joke They said that they're that they some they tried to say that some of the details of this case are so disturbing that they told the court, we can't release this to the public. What?

Starting point is 00:15:12 Yeah, that's not true. That's what they said. That's not true. It's because of who is going to get connected to it. Of course, that's the reason. Gonna be judges, employers, and politicians, and the news. It's going to be, I think there's so many people

Starting point is 00:15:26 that are attached to this. And even if you're not fully guilty, like you're bringing up the fight logs, like imagine if you're just somebody who happened to go there, like you're checking, you didn't do anything wrong, but you're just now associated with that guy. Oh yeah, it's like how bad that looks

Starting point is 00:15:37 and you're probably freaking out. So imagine even if you're, like I said, a person who, you don't wanna be seen, you don't wanna know, anybody to know you even knew this guy. Right. It's like, oh Bill Cosby, whatever. And oh yeah, you don't want to be seen, you don't want to know, anybody to know you even knew this guy. Right. You know, it's like, oh, Bill Cosby, whatever. And oh, yeah, you know, Justin, you say, hang out at his house for sleepovers.

Starting point is 00:15:50 What? Hey, you have nothing to do. Yeah. You just don't tie me into that. Right, so I, I mean, 100% I think that's the only reason. It was a never-land. Yeah. Double job.

Starting point is 00:16:00 That's terrible. That's terrible. I got to double down. Dude, I don't know about you guys, but this trial is good. I'm like, I can't wait to hear what the hell's going on. Oh, see, I don't even think about it because I already know I'm gonna be disappointed.

Starting point is 00:16:13 I'm gonna be disappointed. Thank you. Yeah, you're, they're gonna come out right over. Bullshit thing at the end of it, and you're gonna be like, it's gonna be, you know what it's like? It's like, it's like, it's like, what the,

Starting point is 00:16:22 it's so let down. Those movies that have this massive build up, and then it just leaves you hanging at the end of it, that's exactly what's gonna happen with this trial. Meanwhile, I think, I don't know if you guys remember, but when the whole documentary came out, I'm like, oh my God, I know, I went to high school when these girls,

Starting point is 00:16:35 I was, you know, his massage therapist, and she brought her sister, and I cannot connect with, I have no idea what she's like to. This is true, everybody. Everybody watching this right now, Justin personally knew one of the massage therapist that would be on this plane massaging Bill Clinton. Yeah, there's pictures of her with Bill Clinton. And Jeffrey, yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:57 And then, but yeah, and you can't get a hold of it? Nobody can. No, I mean, I honestly, I wasn't that good a friend with her or anything. I, you know, was a loose affiliation, but I had no idea. Like, that was even her line of work. And then to see her on that documentary, just blew my mind. I'm like, oh my God, you know, like I totally know that, bro.

Starting point is 00:17:14 Dude, this is good. Yeah, I just made it more real for me. This is gonna be wild, dude. I mean, what if it comes out that there's like this crazy international ring of disgusting, whatever's running this thing. Would they even let that out? I mean, yeah, like, is any truth going to escape this thing? Or are they just going to spin it like they spin everything else because it's involving so

Starting point is 00:17:36 many powerful people around the world? Well, the thing that to me that makes this all like, I think I'm with you guys, I'm going to be let down is because we can't forget this. Like nobody can forget this. Jeffrey Epstein was in a cell watched 24-7, cameras on him, guards dedicated to him, on suicide watch or whatever because they're like, no, they lost the footage, right?

Starting point is 00:17:58 And oh, oh, they fell asleep and the cameras turned off and the dude killed himself. Okay. Like, for really, really? What the fuck is going on? It's sad that we live in a time that shitty Hollywood movie. It's, I feel like the citizens we have, we have no power or say in that. Like, that's crazy to me that we don't have the ability to.

Starting point is 00:18:17 It feels that way. Yeah, it's like what, I mean, this is obviously made mainstream news and everybody knows about it because we're aware of it. But what this just highlights to me is like, how much shit are you unaware of? That's backdoored and not happening and people that are getting knocked off or go missing or just, I mean, it's like, to me,

Starting point is 00:18:37 it's like, it's so blatant, it's right in our faces. And then in addition to that, it's gonna be a nothing trial. You're gonna be completely disappointed afterwards. And there's so many blatant evil things going on in this story. You ever seen, I don't know how true this is, but this is just, you know,

Starting point is 00:18:53 reading these conspiracy theory things, but you ever seen these lists of the people that had like suspicious suicides that were connected to Hillary Clinton? You ever seen this? No, I have seen it. Bro, it's a crazy list of like reporters and like, with the boys and random like,

Starting point is 00:19:09 really? Yeah, accidents. Yeah, like car exploding. Yeah, like weird shit. Now, I mean, is it too that like when you're that coincidental, well, when you're that bacon famous, it's not, it's like the Kevin Bacon thing, right? Cause he's been in so many movies,

Starting point is 00:19:22 like you can connect every actor to Kevin Bacon with lists in six people or whatever. Maybe Doug can pull this up. Like people who... I mean, you're the president's wife and you ran for president, right? I would think that you're so connected to so many people that it's not weird that.

Starting point is 00:19:35 So was she a lawyer? I know Bill Clinton was a lawyer, but she was a lawyer as well. Like in Arkansas and then, you know, kind of worked their way. It was almost like they both simultaneously just had this agreement. Well, that's almost every,

Starting point is 00:19:47 both trying to get the power. That is almost every president and wife. They're almost every, every president and their wife got together decades before with the intention of trying. Like a power cup, a political power cup. Yeah, I can't remember what I was reading this. Overhouse of cards. House of cards kind of showed that?

Starting point is 00:20:05 Yes, and I know people that have been associated with like the president and then the family that's related and they say like many of them have separate lines and that's like it's an unsaid agreement that they all make. Like when we go and we're running against each other, it's like you know, I know we both know that I got my family over in Cuba, you got yours over here, your second family

Starting point is 00:20:24 where you're like your real quote unquote wife in guitar. I got my family over in Cuba. You got yours over here, your second family, where you're like your real quote unquote wife in the kitchen. I got my intern. No, seriously. No, and it's like this unsaid agreement and everybody has that same dirt on each other that you just, they leave that out because you're now your mess in business with real personal family life.

Starting point is 00:20:40 Like, I mean, I can't prove any of this myself, but I've heard that, and it makes total sense to me. And when you hear these stories of what they were doing politically before they got married and what they're tied to and family said, no, it's just a power couple, dude. Power to me is just always interesting. And going back to the whole Epstein thing, it just screams to me this massive black male operation. So the whole thing is just like, I mean, I even heard, I don't know if it's true, obviously,

Starting point is 00:21:08 but there was another building that had huge big screens where they just would watch rooms. The best conspiracy theory that I heard was that it was an intelligence agency, and I think that said it was the massage, which worked for Israel. So this was the theory, I thought it was fascinating. And again, it's just, I don't know, someone invented Masad, which worked for Israel. So this was the theory. I thought it was fascinating.

Starting point is 00:21:25 And again, it's just, I don't know, someone invented it or whatever, maybe it's true, who knows. But I think it's really cool to hear that it was an intelligence agency and they worked with Epstein and their goal was to get as many powerful people from around the world, from all these major countries to go there, have sex with underage girls or boys or whatever, film it. And now they have power behind the scenes over all of these countries.

Starting point is 00:21:51 Because now they have film of, oh, well, you sure you don't want to pass that bill? Because we got this video right here and or what about this? So that was like the big, I mean, logically, like it makes sense that somebody out there would, you know, try to construct. What position do you think you have to have in the country to have the most inside information? I don't think it's the president. I think it's the dark half the stuff too.

Starting point is 00:22:12 Oh no. Who do you think, who do you think CIA had? Head of CIA. The CIA was created specifically to protect the country from the Soviet Union, cold war. That's when they got all the power. Right. They had a lot of money that people aren't, that is not on the books, because they have to operate.

Starting point is 00:22:32 Do you guys remember, this was during the Reagan administration budget, they don't have to report. Correct. Okay. In the, in the Reagan administration, there was that whole contra scandal or whatever, where they were literally paying people to, or they were getting paid to smuggle drug because they had to get money somehow Yeah, to support these rebels the taxpayers didn't want to support it So they found another way to do it and it's one of the reasons why we got all this drug smuggled into the country

Starting point is 00:22:58 In the 80s and they sold they will sell arms to other countries or I've heard they'll say things like Okay, we can't sell all these weapons to, I don't know, Pakistan, for example, but we can do this bill to give you, you know, a billion dollars for women's studies or whatever, or you know, and they'll find a way to create this kind of like behind this, we can. It's kind of saw a little bit of that

Starting point is 00:23:24 in the whole COVID package. It was interesting to see all the of like behind this. We kind of saw a little bit of that in the whole COVID package. It was interesting to see all the money that went overseas. Dude, we just passed another one. Why are we doing another trillion? So what's the latest, what's the latest in future? Just print them on a.

Starting point is 00:23:35 I've heard it was a trillion dollars. Is that what it is? Yeah, just I can't keep track of it. It's just recently. It's like a trillion dollars. It's just got recently passed, right? Dude, can you do me a favor? Because people don't realize how much a trillion is.

Starting point is 00:23:45 Let's look at a million and a billion. Look up how long it takes for a million seconds and how long it takes for a billion seconds. Just to look at the discrepancy there and then remember a trillion is exponentially larger than that. So this right here we'll tell you when we see this. Yeah, cause it just sounds like,

Starting point is 00:24:02 you know, numbers when you say that loud. Yes, it's not that grandiose. Doug, did you find it? So one million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes. So 11 days is a million seconds. How many, how long is a billion seconds? Yeah, 31 and a half years. Whoa, that's, that's, that's, that's,

Starting point is 00:24:20 11 days, a 31 year. That's the difference from a million a billion. I've never had someone do this before. I truly, that's an interesting way to look at it. A trillion has got to be, what is a trillion? 31,688 years. Okay. So when we print a trillion dollars,

Starting point is 00:24:32 people are like, oh, that's a trillion dollars. What a fascinating way to look at that. We've ever told you to do that. I read that a long time ago, and it just kind of highlighted. No, it is. What a great metaphor for getting, because a lot of people can't wrap your brain,

Starting point is 00:24:45 a lot of people can't wrap their brain around a million dollars. You've never seen more than a hundred thousand dollars, even wrapping your brain around a million, is it big deal? That's why I was so crazy to see companies like Apple and Amazon get to that trillion dollar cash amount that they, didn't they finally achieve that? I don't know if they got a trillion,

Starting point is 00:25:01 I thought they got a trillion, I thought that they finally got a hundred. No, no, there was something that are... You know what always cracks me up is when, well, we'll watch a movie, I hope you don't mind me they got a trillion or a trillion. I thought they finally got a number of. You know what always cracks me up is when, we'll watch a movie, I hope you don't mind me saying this at them. But of all of us, you've seen the most cash in front of you. Uh-huh. And, what do I, you're the most gangster, right?

Starting point is 00:25:17 No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I'm just saying, let's leave it at that right there. Okay, true story keep going. Don't let me tell you over. But my favorite is when people will, we'll be watching a movie, and then some of them will bring out a briefcase,

Starting point is 00:25:28 I got your, you know, $5 million, and now they'll be like, that's not $5 million, I was like 10 grand away. You just picked up, he's like, nah. Yeah, I mean, you're missing it, like $50,000. Like $100,000, it looks a lot different than you think, right? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:40 Yeah, no, that's why I think this analogy or metaphor you just gave is I think phenomenal. I've actually never had somebody try and break it down. The 11 days, 31 years, 3,000. No, 36,000 I think he said. But you said 3,000 or 3,000 or 1,000? He said something ridiculous. There's 3,100.

Starting point is 00:25:55 That's crazy. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah, to go from hours, days to years, that's crazy. Dude, I got the list of the suicides connected to the two. Okay, let me check this out. Even though I'm gonna stick with what I think. Yeah, I know,, like that's crazy. Dude, I got the list of the suicides connected to the team. Oh, okay, let me check this out. Even though I'm gonna stick with what I think, right? Yeah, I know, but it's still fun.

Starting point is 00:26:08 It's still fun to play the kind of baking game. 1977, Suzanne Coleman commits suicide. She was alleged to have a sexual affair with Bill Clinton during the time he was the Arkansas State Attorney General. Okay, so that happened. No autopsy was performed. Suicited.

Starting point is 00:26:21 1991, Danny Kosselaro committed suicide. He was an investigative journalist who had been working to undercover the leads of several then rumored Clinton scandals, including activities at the men, men are a report in Arkansas. He was found dead in his hotel bathroom with both wrists opened, though he had repeatedly informed his family and friends. If he had met such a fate, it would not be suicide. 1992, Ian Spiro committed suicide. It's axology report.

Starting point is 00:26:45 An international businessman and commodities broker, as well as government associative operative, he was involved in collecting evidence in the inslaught fair, which connected with Bill Clinton and wife Hillary. He told friends he had been receiving numerous death threats, although when the bodies of his wife and five children were discovered by authorities in their home, and Spiro's body, dead of cyanide in his car. It was ruled a murder suicide

Starting point is 00:27:09 1993 John Wilson committed suicide. This was a chairman civil rights activist He claimed to be involved in the white water scandal which focused on questionable land deals and money laundered tied to the Clintons I mean, I'm not gonna go through this Are you kidding me dude? I would we're gonna be here for a long time. That many? There's a bunch in 2016. There's 1996. How many? How many?

Starting point is 00:27:31 Oh, let me see all the ones that, which is okay, so I did. There was the 1997, 1977, so one, then there's two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. There's 15 there, and this says it's a partial list, but these are all people who were closely connected. Many of them were investigating the Clintons

Starting point is 00:27:56 or were, you know, had some of the... They're like the ultimate mafia dons. Yeah, dude. Yeah. That's just crazy. If you're gonna pull that, pull that for bringing it up. No, let me tell you. I that, pull that for bringing it up. No, let me tell you, dude.

Starting point is 00:28:06 I'm always afraid for you bringing it up. Bill Clinton won the best president's. Yeah. I mean, he can really play a saxophone. Yeah, he gets down. Did you imagine that? That's crazy. And that's, I mean, have you check, like,

Starting point is 00:28:18 fact check debtors? That's just like a, because you gotta be careful today, man. Someone just draw a bunch around. How do you fact check it? I just pulled it up right now. Yeah, there's no fact check. You're going. No, it's just like, she was your own adventure.

Starting point is 00:28:30 Dude, the meme you posted today, it was so funny with the, it's a, it's a meme of a guy robbing a grocery store and he's got a ski mask on. He can't see his eyes. He's got a gun and gloves on and he's, and he's holding up and right behind him is, you know, somebody obviously like scared standing there and they don't have a mask on it. It's San Francisco looking for, you know, unmasked man. Yeah, please identify the unmasked man. But the police, that's where we live in now.

Starting point is 00:28:57 That's something that's pretty funny. Hey, so kind of along these lines, news just came out. LeBron. He's got, oh, yeah, kind of along these lines, news just came out. LeBron. He's got, oh yeah, COVID LeBron, huh? Huh. Yeah, I'll see you, though. He's a master. He's super vaccinated and following the rules with his mask on

Starting point is 00:29:13 and on how that happened. Yeah, I hope he's, I mean, I wish no, I wish. They're okay. Have we had any, okay, so I've seen obviously, we know one side loves to highlight anybody that was ever in sports, health, or or fitness and they're how difficult They're dealing with right like every time like somebody who is at all remotely considered healthy Even though there's much more to health than just your physical appearance

Starting point is 00:29:35 We love to highlight them and point out oh my god. They're on their death better. What about that? I don't know anybody who is a current Athlete who's in great shape, physical condition that has gone through COVID and like either died. Have you heard anybody who's died from that? Oh, Diego Sanchez. I'm not dead. Sorry. As of the recording of the podcast, he's in the hospital. Remember the MMA fighter? Yeah, he's in the hospital. Yeah. Now is he still, is he still or what? Yeah. And as of the recording, was he still fighting? Do you know, like, I don't know much about this.

Starting point is 00:30:06 Yeah, he's fighting for his life. Because I, so I have known some people that were either, that got really, really sick, that were younger, that were like health and some either, either passed away or were just like in the hospitalized, that the average person would go, oh my God, they're relatively healthy. You know, they're not obese, oh my god, they're relatively healthy. You know, they're not obese or really overweight,

Starting point is 00:30:27 they're fairly young. But when I found out more about their lifestyle and what was going on in their lives currently at that time, I've yet to meet someone who wasn't under a tremendous amount of stress that they were going through or doing cocaine or doing stuff the outside of like. So even though their body fat percentage wasn't through the roof and they weren't 75 years old

Starting point is 00:30:49 and so the outside, they always, oh, that's first of exposed something. Yeah, there's other parts that were really, are smoking cigars all the time, doing things like that. So I've yet to meet somebody who I know has been really, really healthy. And you can prove that they're right.

Starting point is 00:31:04 I wonder, I had this conversation the other night with a friend of mine. I wonder what this would be like if it were 50 years ago without media being so easily accessible. You know, like if this pandemic existed 50 years ago, would the fear be the same? Of course not. No way. I don't think so either, right? It would be more proximity the same? Of course not. No way. I don't think so either, right? It would be more proximity, right?

Starting point is 00:31:28 If you knew. Like who you know. Yeah, who you know. And if they're struggling with it, it'd be like, oh, wow, we need to, I think it'd be more isolated incidents instead of taking on this, everybody in the world numbers, you know. I also think that you, we would naturally self-regulate to your point that you made the other day. It's all your thing. I really think that if you found somebody who

Starting point is 00:31:51 was in your family or connected to you that was really sick or that you saw pass, it would scare you enough that you would change your behaviors without being told what you need to do whatsoever, I think you would self-regulate. And I think a lot of people would do that. They actually did that. They followed, I think with cell phone tracking data, and they found that in areas where the cases went up, and these are areas without strict lockdown laws, right? That people naturally stopped going to more crowded areas

Starting point is 00:32:21 and started kind of self-isolating, and it was similar behaviors to places that had extreme lockdown measures or whatever. So and again, we ignore human behavior whenever we pass any law. We think, oh, this is going to work, but we got to look at human behavior. But yeah, I wonder if the fear would be anywhere the same. This new strain that's coming out that is not very many people have it. I think it's, it's not widespread, not causing all stuff so far. The data is showing that it's mild.

Starting point is 00:32:51 That's so far, but it could change. But boy is the media going crazy over this and making it feel like we need to be scared, like crazy. We just constantly need a boogeyman. That's what just upsets me about the news. Yeah. Like how much of that can you take in all the time with Stain Stain?

Starting point is 00:33:07 You know what I told my, because I have a family thread, excuse me, thread with a lot of family members, aunts and uncles and cousins, and it's usually it's a wonderful thread, we share pictures of babies and talk about holidays and all that stuff. And I have some family members

Starting point is 00:33:23 and I can fall into this, by the way. That boy, do they spin constantly in this, right? And they're constantly sharing news articles. And oh my God, that's what I can't believe that they're gonna do this. And I can't believe they're gonna do that. And I had some conversations with them, and I said, you know, I can get caught up in that myself,

Starting point is 00:33:38 especially because I have a tendency towards being a hypokondriac. So this is like my worst case scenario. Like the worst thing ever for me is an illness that's spreading. Like that for me, fucks on my head, more and almost anything. You guys know that. Yeah. About me. And I told them I said better with a meteor coming down. Yeah. Like it just it just messes with me anyway. And I told them I said what I had to do is I had to consciously turn shit off. So I literally would tell myself for four days, I'm not going to read

Starting point is 00:34:04 anything about any of this stuff. And the improvement in my mental health was incredible. Endurance is bliss. Yeah, and it's not even that. I'm trying to stay, because then they would argue me, don't you wanna stay informed? I'm like, listen, if you do it for four days

Starting point is 00:34:15 and some crazy emergency happens, pretty sure someone's gonna come tell you. Yeah, you can say. So it's not about staying informed, it's about feeding that fear monster that lives inside of you constantly. Eckhart totally would call it the ego, right? The pain body constantly needs to feed itself with negativity.

Starting point is 00:34:32 We think we don't like negativity yet we seek it out. We constantly seek it out. Well on a positive note, I promise the audience, yeah, I promised the audience that I would share more both on the real estate side of things and then also our angel investing. So recently, we have invested in Zbiotics. I think we mentioned it. That's how much we believe in the company.

Starting point is 00:34:56 Yeah, so very exciting. I mean, we're excited about it. We were already considering doing it before. We had Zach come to the studio just a couple of weeks ago and just blown away and impressed by the direction that the company is going in with they were already doing. They've had incredible traction and growth and they're doing well and then to see what their plans were.

Starting point is 00:35:19 And I didn't know that. So up into the, I looked at them as just this cool drink that you could take to eliminate or reduce the hangover effects. And I've tried it enough times ago, this is revolutionary, this is amazing. People are gonna love it when they try it. And I was sold on the company just from that. But after hearing him and what they are doing

Starting point is 00:35:38 with other future products. Just the tip of the iceberg. Oh my God, it was a low-hanging fruit. It was like a slam dunk deal for them to just start there, but it's nowhere near. Well, the science is wild. Like, they literally, this is what they did with their current product that's out in market.

Starting point is 00:35:52 And I wanna explain this because it's wild science. They took bacteria and they modified it so that this bacteria produces compounds that break down as they'd allowed to hide, which is this negative byproduct of alcohol. So what they did, they literally created, they modified bacteria to do what they wanted. And the science exists to be able to do this

Starting point is 00:36:13 for lots of different things. So what you could do is you could create bacteria to theoretically, this is totally possible, to produce more serotonin, more dopamine, to produce anti-inflammatory compounds. Like, the sky's the limit with what you can do with bacteria in that case. And now there's complex things to do.

Starting point is 00:36:34 For example, creating bacteria that helps with breaking down the negative byproducts alcohol, like you said, I'm low-hanging fruit, very easy. You know, if I want to create a bacteria that helps with depression, well, that's a really complex. And we could eventually do it, but we have to address so many different things. It would be much more complex, much more, you know, difficult.

Starting point is 00:36:52 But yeah, this is remarkable. I think this is a field of science that's gonna explode. Yeah, I agree. So, it's a whole new class. What do you, what do you guys think about the future application with? Because what went through my head when I was listening to that was like my struggle with psoriasis and autoimmune stuff.

Starting point is 00:37:09 Like and trying to figure out what is happening chemically in my body that causes this autoimmune reaction and what if we could genetically modify a bacteria that actually combated that regardless of the food I ate. So if we could isolate and figure out what it is that causes this autoimmune reaction, and then you could actually genetically modify a bacteria that I would ingest.

Starting point is 00:37:31 Totally. I mean, that's, well, imagine, I mean, we're just talking about psoriasis, and my single ischina. You're dealing with it. It's because you're a bacteria, you're a flora, right? You're, the bacteria that lives in your body and on your body is,

Starting point is 00:37:45 it's considerate, and he said this, I think, in the podcast, it's like another organ. It's another organ of the human body, and it's responsible for influencing lots and lots and lots of different functions. The point where we've connected bacteria to Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, heart disease, obesity, depression, libido inflammation, like you name it, there's, heart disease, obesity, depression, libido inflammation, you name it,

Starting point is 00:38:07 there's been a connection somehow, and it's either a connection that is causing or it's a connection that's caused by particular situation. Nonetheless, they're connected. There's a highway between the two. And so this science is remarkable, and the potential, unless we really find out that there's no connection and everything we saw was garbage,

Starting point is 00:38:27 which isn't looked that way, the potential is limitless to what can happen. As long as we can create the right, type of bacteria and the right mechanisms, remarkable. So when we talked to him, and because we like the product so much for the alcohol aspect, we're like, and literally it's what we did.

Starting point is 00:38:44 We sat down as true now. We sat down as a true now. We sat down with them, talked with them more, love the product, we've been working with you guys for a while. Let's go on the future, what's happening at the company. And we literally, he didn't approach us, we approached him. Can we invest in your company? Yeah. And he said, let me see if we can work something out.

Starting point is 00:38:57 Well, more remarkable, limitless, fascinating things. I'm so hung up on this metaverse NFT. I know, you love it. It's just, it's so fascinating to me right now, fascinating things. I'm so hung up on this metaverse NFT. I know, you love it. It's just, it's so fascinating to me right now what people are doing. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I mean, I have a lot of family and friends

Starting point is 00:39:14 that are connected to me that are going in on all this stuff. I just, are they really? Oh yeah, buying NFTs here and there and just, now they're expecting to sell it later for hire. I mean, yeah, it's all speculation. It's all it is. It's not a hard asset. It's you're completely speculating on that

Starting point is 00:39:27 if things go the direction they make. Did someone sell like an NFT real estate for $2.4 million? So now here's the thing that's trippy. And somebody's explained this to me because it doesn't make any sense. Theoretically in the metaverse, there's a limitless supply of real estate, right? It's not like real real estate.

Starting point is 00:39:43 Theoretically, but think of it more like a video game, right? So at least this is how I am, please correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't fully understand this. But imagine if a level or a place in the video game is for sale. And this place in this video game, say level one has, you know, Nike and great America theme park. You want to make sure though, you want to be in that state, you're close to that. So for example, like Nike, Nike just bought real estate in Roblox. So Nike is

Starting point is 00:40:17 now invested in a card video game makers can drum up that money. Yes. Because yeah, they can outfit their characters with the players. Right. And so think about how like Starbucks want to Starbucks strategies in the real world. When they put up a store is they put them all by McDonald's. Yeah. I don't think guys know that or not, but that's like one of their strategies is just they know that like if that that the type of client tell that is attracted to going to McDonald's

Starting point is 00:40:39 stuff like that, they're going to get I've heard of that. I've heard also businesses look for whole foods because whole foods is a good job. Yeah. they're gonna get. I've heard of that. I've heard also businesses look for whole foods because whole foods is a good job. Yeah, so imagine if Nike buys real estate in this video game metaverse world, how valuable real estate will be right next door. So your little avatar guy goes in the Nike, does all the cool Nike things and then goes right next door to your store or whatever.

Starting point is 00:41:01 So think about this, the video games we played when we were kids, like Mario Brothers. Think of the levels that are the most popular. How much each level would cost? There's some levels at suck. Nobody really cares about that one. That's right. That's the thing. I mean, you're going to want, you're going to want something with there's foot traffic, you know, virtually. Otherwise, it's going to be completely worthless. Well, that's the part that is risky right now, right? So if you're guessing, yeah, you're guessing. And but I mean, if someone like Nike, okay, which is a billion dollar like company,

Starting point is 00:41:28 goes into a place and invest a significant amount of money, it's probably a pretty safe bet that if you bought some real estate nearby, that by proxy, you're gonna do well. Now, here's my question. So, okay, so it's no different than a sponsor buying real estate on our podcast. We're gonna talk about a sponsor, they pay us money,

Starting point is 00:41:44 so they're gonna pay a video game for real estate on a particular level. Here's my question though. What controlled you own as the owner of that real estate? Let's say you own, you know, level six of role blocks or whatever. Not even if there's levels, but let's just say you own something like that. Does that then mean you can rent your space out? Does that mean you can, that role blocks is still going to develop video games on it? Or that you own the air above it if there's air?

Starting point is 00:42:10 That's 100%. Right. Yeah, like how does that, I guess it's different from, it would imagine it's different from space to space. I would imagine that too. Like I don't know. I don't know. I mean, what, the value that I would see in it and I don't think you could buy like a whole, a whole level or maybe they wouldn't allow, maybe there's like, they wouldn't allow the, like, row blocks

Starting point is 00:42:26 wouldn't allow you to own the whole level. They would want the rights to, to that. But a part of the real estate within a level makes sense because it's like, maybe I could brand the whole thing. Well, yeah, you, you do. You bright like if you look up, maybe duck and pull up Nike, Nike, Nike, Nike, Nike partners, Nike partners with row blocks and you can see what they did. And it's like a whole experience. Your little avatar goes through Nike land. And it's all branded Nike land. I mean, there's Nike stuff everywhere

Starting point is 00:42:51 and trying on shoes and doing all so. Oh my God. And then Nike is now selling the kids or whoever's playing. Yes. Nike NFT shoes. Right. And exactly. They can buy.

Starting point is 00:43:00 And so that's the thing. That's the thing. I'm telling you guys, you're gonna be okay. There you go. Oh, Nike land in Roblox. There you go Nike land and roll blocks there you go Wow, right? So it's just a great way for branding. I'm sure you're gonna be able to buy NFTs there Which you know when we get into the AR world. I mean this is around the corner right being able to wear these Google got glasses or whatever they're gonna be whoever brands them first or does well is out we can be sitting here right now

Starting point is 00:43:24 And you guys have your normal outfits on. Yeah. I see real. And then I'm going to put my glasses on and I'm going to see your virtual outfits. Right. That you are going to be able to buy and what's going to just like in the real world. Okay. There's people that spend thousands of dollars on a pair of sneaky sneaky.

Starting point is 00:43:40 Sneaky. Sneaky. Sneaky. Sneaky. Sneaky. Sneaky. Sneaky. Sneaky. Sneaky. sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky is a good guy guys yeah I don't know I didn't have you need more magic spoon yeah I put on my sneak you got to have more protein in your breakfast that magic spoon no dude so there's people that will spend that kind of money like that commercial huh

Starting point is 00:43:57 uh that was a good place for that would have been a better like like for pure I was trying to think about how we would construct our little metaverse like plot a land with all of our sponsors and everything and like, you know, maybe there's like a huge bowl Well, no, another great example. Imagine we build our own virtual space and world that lives within the metaverse And then we can sell real estate to our partners our partners already pay us yeah money to have real estate on the podcast If we made this place, you know mine pump landpum plan, a fun place for people to be at and there's traffic in this. What would Adam Land look like?

Starting point is 00:44:30 I don't know. I would. I mean, I've already, I've already came out and said that I would be a part of the unemployed people. So I'm fascinated by all this stuff. Would I dabble in it? Absolutely. You know, I don't believe you.

Starting point is 00:44:42 Why? Because if it turns into a massive business, investment opportunity, there's no way in hell. Okay. Adam Landy would be able to sit idle by. So okay, okay, fair enough. I could see myself participating in it for the business reasons only.

Starting point is 00:45:00 You wouldn't play in Adam Landy would you? Well, I mean, it's, look at it. It's even how I watch myself and how I monitor Instagram today. Like, okay, I turned on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, with the intentions of, I didn't know it was gonna be mind-pumped, but building a digital e-commerce business.

Starting point is 00:45:16 That was the plan, the very first time I posted the very first stupid picture on Instagram and Facebook. That was the real reason why I did it. Now, over the last eight, nine years that I've been on there, I've fallen prey to the same trap that all the other people do where it sucks you in and all I'm doing is scrolling and looking at booty picks and bullshit and things that are not feeding my soul or making me grow or be a better person. And so I have to monitor this stuff and regulate how much I'm in it. I don't think it's going to be any different for this metaverse.

Starting point is 00:45:47 I think it's going to be just like another one of these things that people love to escape and go to. And if you're not self-aware enough to catch yourself, so I will probably dabble in it the same way, but then also have this plan of, I don't want to get stuck in this. I feel like I can describe mine. You guys are just a plan? Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. So it's like this huge forest of, you know, cheese trees.

Starting point is 00:46:07 And your lumberjack and your, your, your acts actually is like a guitar that plays metal and, uh, and your avatar. Yeah, you can be a Jedi whenever you want. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'll play that right? Yeah. I feel like mine would be boring.

Starting point is 00:46:23 You know, I mean, hey, come to Sal Land. Yeah. I'll answer your beans and, you know, I'll come to your side. I'll confidently that. I, right. I feel like mine would be boring. You know what I mean? Hey, come to Sal and I'll answer your deans and I'll hit your side. I'll confidently answer your questions, whether I'm right or wrong. That's what, hey, speaking of Instagram, you guys see I rolled over a three figure, was a hundred thousand dollars?

Starting point is 00:46:36 It's such a depressing day. Wow. Such a depressing day. What a, who cares? That's funny. People in the social, like in the influencer business, it's such a big deal in soul business, it's such a big deal. Insulting.

Starting point is 00:46:46 It's not a big deal. It doesn't mean that much at all, actually. Of all the things that we do, that's the least. I mean, it means you're the most popular of the four of us, I mean, it does not mean that. On Instagram. You better own that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:56 Except when it's showing. I like it. No, I'm gonna call you out Justin. I don't care where we go in the real world. No, you can't do that anymore. You're a hundred thousand dollars. Listen, that's bullshit. We show up everywhere. It doesn't matter where it's fact. Adam and I

Starting point is 00:47:07 will go to speaking engagements and they're all and we'll ask him on purpose. Yes, because I'm not there. What? What? Raise your hand. Tell us your favorite hostess. It's always like eight of them are just in. There's like one that's me one that's me. Yeah, but then if it's us three, then it's those Doug. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:21 Whoever it isn't there. Is that your theory? That's my theory. That's not a good trick. I think the order goes you, then Doug, and then Sal and I tied for last or third. How do you want to look at that? I'm sharing for me, Doug. It's a, there's a love hate relationship that I think that comes with, with Sal and I. I think you're more likable in the, uh, super like love hate love.

Starting point is 00:47:41 I mean, I love you. I mean, I'm drawn in. Totally. I'm speaking of love, I got to get back to Magic Spoon. Yeah. So I had one of my, I don't know if you guys met my buddy, Dom. He came. He's an investment advisor. Super smart guy. Guy who came in the other day.

Starting point is 00:47:52 Yeah. Love him. He's always giving me free investment advice. And he's into working out and training. And the guy's a Moitai. He fights Moitai. And in fact, one I held pad for him once. And that was the last time. He kicks like a horse, dude. Oh, yeah. Crazy genetics, too, by the way.

Starting point is 00:48:07 He lifts weights for kickboxing and the guy could squat for plates like it's no big deal. Anyway, he came in here because he was in the area and he's like, hey, I've never seen your studio. I'm like, hey, come on by and also do you want any supplements? Because we have this back room and because he's always giving me free advice. I'm like, let me give you some free stuff. So we're going through and he looks up. He's like serial. Why do you guys have kids serial in here? I'm like, bro, try this out. Just any kids. Yeah, I'm like, try this out and let me and let me know what you think. So anyway,

Starting point is 00:48:37 he's the guy's ordered like like seven boxes. Like he went crazy. He texted me and he's like, bro, this serial is incredible. Are you sure that it's got a lot of protein? Yeah, I keep waiting for the bodybuilder. Because I mean, it's so perfect for that. Cause you know, all the different protein shakes, everywhere is trying to do, you know, those old flavors that we remember growing up, like Siminto's crunch and whatever. I used to see all these flavor. I'm like, look, it's literally cereal with the protein in it. So it's just like a proctor.

Starting point is 00:49:05 You know they have like a satisfaction guaranteed thing, right? So they dug, don't they, if you don't like the cereal, if you order from them, you don't like the cereal, though you can send it back, yeah? Or, yeah, right? In your first order, yeah. Oh, I love it. So they do a satisfaction guaranteed.

Starting point is 00:49:18 So I think that's pretty cool. They have some of the highest ratings. If you look at their like star ratings or whatever, it's like, I mean, I feel like you can only do something like that if you know your shit, your product is the shit. I mean, if you otherwise you go broke giving everybody their money back who tries your product. So you count on that 90 plus percent of people are gonna love you. You know, it's funny though. So my, so dumb, right? He's not a fitness guy, but he works out. So he's like, oh, there's no sugar. It's high in protein. This is crazy. He's like, so can I get fat off this?

Starting point is 00:49:45 I'm like, yeah, you can eat a whole box every day and your calories are too high. So you'll still you're still doing that. It's true, but if you did, the partial whole box of management, it is still much lower in calories than like a normal bowl of a lot of regular. Have you guys eaten a whole box? I have. I have.

Starting point is 00:50:02 At once. Not at once. Not at once. Probably half a box. No, I've gone back and I've gone through a whole box? I have. At once? Not at once. Probably half a box. No, I've gone back and I've gone through a whole box. In a whole day? Yeah, yeah. And I've calculated it up.

Starting point is 00:50:10 It's not that crazy amount of calories. So how many grams of protein is it in a like a serving that you would actually eat? Like 30 something? Oh, I thought I would normally eat it. Yeah, like, can they give you a small serving? But you'll be. Yeah, no, at least that. No, I'm getting at least 40, 50 grams minimum.

Starting point is 00:50:23 So it's, and that's only like, I'm getting at least 40, 50 grams minimum. So, and that's only like, I wanna say three or four servings worth. But I mean, come on, when you look at like serving size of cereal, nobody eats the serving size of cereal. I don't care, healthy or not healthy. Like you look full of the bowl. And I have done this many times, and if you guys have never done this, do this.

Starting point is 00:50:39 I think it's important you do this. So you actually measure what they say. Yeah, measure it and so you can see what you're feeding your kids and yourself when you give them cereal. Like the back of boxes, most boxes are either quarter cup, a half cup or three quarters of cup, not even a cup. And one cup of cereal is nothing.

Starting point is 00:50:54 Nobody eats three, four, a cup of cereal or a half cup of cereal. Everybody is eating two to three to four cups. Yeah, what did they say? The same person that eats two Pringles only. This is the peanut butter 170 calories for cup one cup. How many cups in a sir or how many servings per box? Five. So not even a thousand calories for a whole box. Yeah, how many grams of protein would that be? There's 14 grams. So that's

Starting point is 00:51:17 70 grams of protein. Oh, so 70 grams of protein under a thousand calories. And it's way protein. Yeah, it's really good protein. Not so I'm saying it's not, I mean, I'm not encouraging people to binge eat or go eat a whole box of cereal, but my point is you could do worse. You could smoke a joint, do that, watch cartoons. It's a good time. The only thing they're lacking is the little like plastic toy. When are you going to come out of that, man? Can I tell you something right now that closed me on cereal so many times?

Starting point is 00:51:42 Yeah, dude. Did it really? It's shitty toy. I'll take the cereal that is I like less than this one So who hacked that first was McDonald's the first one to hack that does anybody know? Oh that had a Simpson on a scheme like who hacked the toy giving toys away with food cracker jacks. Maybe oh yeah Is right good cold guy? reference. I remember back in the day Black and white I remember

Starting point is 00:52:05 We get print color You get a real rock. We're playing. We're playing hopscotch. Let's do a little Google search. What is what is that when did crackled crack? What I have. What today? Ah, give me some purers. Give me something. When did cracker jacks start?

Starting point is 00:52:21 I think it was eight is in the 1800s. I want to say it was late 1800s. You know, it was like World War two or something. No, Salah's right. I think it was eight is in the 1800s. No, it was late 1800s. You was like World War two or something. No, Salah's right 1893. Wow. Well hold on hold on. Where's that? Where's that we're keeping track here, right? Yeah, make sure you put that above my head and inflated inflated numbers. Yeah, I knew that because it's an old-ass. It's a real. Wow. And then now when it started, Doug, did it do? Did it come out the gates with the little toy and the member

Starting point is 00:52:45 they had tattoos in there? Oh, I remember the tattoos. Yeah, that's what I remember that and there more than anything else. I know they did other things. Well, I know baseball cards would give you gum that would cut your face. Yeah, but that is a small heart. It was going back to 1800. baseball cards have been around a long time.

Starting point is 00:52:59 Not before 1800s. It was until 1900s. It was until 1900s. It was until 1900s. So they started adding toys in 1912. Wow. Wow. It's a 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19 before that really yeah got it if I know more about baseball than you right here this will be terrible 18 18 86 that's embarrassing now I have to back check that is not true with the sports ball tell me by the way that's why I have this jersey wins it professional I gotta fact check dog here you think dogs I'm a fact check dog here. You think Doug's on my, I'm a slip of my tent afterwards. Hey, Doug, anytime I have a fact check.

Starting point is 00:53:47 You must be using Yahoo. Wow, I do not know. I'm 1869, yeah, I'm seeing different numbers here. It's, yeah, no, I'm, yeah. It's America's past time. Yeah. Oh, you know what, you know, the major league baseball started in 1903, that's why.

Starting point is 00:54:01 Okay, I can see. Wow, I didn't know that. So okay, when did, now when did when did the gum and baseball cards were what? Well, before we get there, MLB was started in 1869 in Cincinnati, Ohio. Yeah, so I got 1903. Wasn't that the reds? This is not even reds.

Starting point is 00:54:18 It's too big. I'm gonna stop my stuff on my head right now. You're really, you're gonna quit while you're head right now. You want a sports bag. Wasn't it the Cincinnati Bumblebees? Wasn't that the name of that? It was everything. So 100 subscribers.

Starting point is 00:54:28 All the teams were racist names back then though. So who knows? Okay, so top baseball cards added chewing gum back in 1938. Wow. That's the actual cracker. So cracker jacks was first. Doug was like 35 back then. So cracker jacks was the first one to do that.

Starting point is 00:54:42 Well, the bubble gum in baseball cards, and I'm gonna tell you something, nobody know, people watching this now, unless you're as old as we are, you have no idea. It was harder than the cards themselves. It was crunchy sharp, you bite it and be like, be careful, you'd have to chew it for a second before the, the flavor was gone in 30 seconds.

Starting point is 00:55:00 I got to correct myself here. So, Topps was also a chewing gum company. So they started back in 1938 and they actually started selling baseball card packs. Smash them. So with a stick of gum included in 1951. What? That's brilliant. I didn't know. So it's tops the first baseball card company. Oh, I believe so. Call me Mr. Google. So I remember. So these are the baseball card companies. Can I say buy baseball cards? Score, upper deck. Score, upper deck, Don Russ. Yeah, that was K1.

Starting point is 00:55:28 That was K1, those are top. And then what was the one that everybody's like? This is the expensive one. Upper deck. Yeah, upper deck was the expensive card. Upper deck, by the way, a great prank you can pull on your friends, look that up. It's too upper decker.

Starting point is 00:55:40 So the oldest company was Peck and Snyder back in 1868. Well, G1 to Y, then it's succeed. That's a nice Snyder oldest company was Peck and Snyder back in 1868. Well, do you wonder why they didn't succeed? That's not Snyder. Mr. Peck. Have you guys watching that market, by the way? It's every market. No, you said it is. It is.

Starting point is 00:55:55 It is. God, I value you saying. Bro, literally, I have grown-ass friends there in their 40s that are waiting in target lines on Tuesdays. How can you tell me that we're not in a bubble without telling me we're in a bubble? I know. I can literally take money.

Starting point is 00:56:07 You can name 85 markets and I could just throw it at it. Growing man, not going to work for the day so they can wait in target line to buy baseball cards. Just tell me, can't Griffy Jr. is up or deck, you know, rookie cards finally worse something. No. Did you have that? No, it's still not.

Starting point is 00:56:20 It's not because, you know, what? It's kind of them. Okay, so that's what crashed. And there's a good, I think it was a Netflix documentary on the kind of the whole evolution of baseball cards and like, and then the market and then the crashing of it. And what happened was baseball cards got greedy. They were making, because these companies

Starting point is 00:56:37 were making so much money, King Griffey Jr. about the example of that, that car. So what you're saying is they printed so many, it inflated the circulation of them. The slower things value. Exactly. Wow. That sounds like. So now, so now the, now why it is, they, they learn from that. That's what crashed the market. So cards now that are being made are very limited. And so that's what's part of what's driving this, the price up to them. So I have two cards that I think are worth money. I have Trayakman's rookie card, score, and then Barry Sanders rookie card score. Duck and look it up. Yeah, so I mean, condition. Yeah, I mean, I get their work today, Doug. I put them in the hard

Starting point is 00:57:17 plastic case, you know, that you're pressing together and you get it. So what you have to do now is you have to send them in to get them graded. So if you really want to make any money off of them or them to be worth anything in the future, you have to go get them professionally graded and they'll actually seal them themselves and they'll give you a score. And right now, good money is only being paid for like 10 meant perfect, a perfect card which is rare. Sorry, so they already limit the amount of the, you know, oh shit, I have that exact card. Look at that. $9, 1500. Yeah. $1.27.

Starting point is 00:57:48 So okay. So here's the thing we should go to pay attention though. See how there's one for $2. So the one that's really expensive if Doug clicked on it, you'll see how that's up in the top. It'll be like super. That's the grading, that's the grading system. And so I guarantee that's like a 10, a 10 met.

Starting point is 00:58:01 And the likelihood that you, there, see PSA 10, see it says PSA 10. That's why it's worth so much money because it's not only in his rookie car, but it's in perfect condition. You could have like a seven and that car was more than anything. Wow. Well, I'm not, I don't plan on selling. I know you don't. I'm giving them to my son. But you see how that's all see how the top is like that. Yeah. Has a barcode. I mean, I gotta go look at them because from what I recall, it's pretty damn good. Oh, it's cheap to have that done, and it's worth doing that. Does look at Barry Sanders' rookie card score,

Starting point is 00:58:28 I wanna say, I'm like, cause that's the other one that I have. That's worth a lot. Little random two cards, you have. Just turned into antique roadshow. How did you get those? How did I get, I used to buy, I used to collect, so I did, I had baseball cards, football cards, and stamps.

Starting point is 00:58:40 How weird is that that you collected something you don't even watch? Huh? I watched it for a second, you I did I watched it in his bike Okay, let me hear it. Let me hear it. How did? Watch it Wow look at Barry Sanders look at that one fifteen hundred dollars also. Yeah, but look at the shit thirty five thousand dollars That can't be right of course. It's right. It's also yes He's gonna go check this shit out when he goes home today. See okay. Look at see that once is 9.5

Starting point is 00:59:04 Yeah, 549 for the same card to 35,000. That's how much that makes a difference. So a 9.5. Please God, let my shipy Minty. Right. Minty. Minty Minty. What about sign balls?

Starting point is 00:59:15 I got the A's world series, the entire team sign that. Yeah, that could go up there too. We do some. I want to get back to how you started watching football for a second. Where in your life were you? Late 80s.

Starting point is 00:59:28 I was a young kid. So what did it? What sparked it? What makes nerdy Sal who's reading encyclopedias every day? Go, you know, I'm going to watch some football as this every day. Because in the neighborhood, in my neighborhood, when I would hang out with the kids in the neighborhood,

Starting point is 00:59:39 there were two things that we did. One is I owned a pair of boxing gloves, and I also owned gloves that full backs and running backs would wear. And the ones that they cover their hands with. That kind of look like MMA gloves, and we would fight each other. So this is one thing that we did.

Starting point is 00:59:54 And I was the neighborhood champion. I used to knock people out. I was really. Yeah, that's where it got. And the other thing that we would do is we'd get together and we would play street football. And just look at these. He says, believe this story.

Starting point is 01:00:04 Those are two, hey, hey, look at me. Look at, if you knew me in the neighborhood, you could, you at DM, DM Adam, let him know what time it was. So, no, that's true story, it's where it got. So, we do that, we'd all get together and we'd do these big fights. And then we'd also play Street football, which was basically two hand touch or if it got aggressive, we tackled each other in the street.

Starting point is 01:00:23 And we would play so for a second. And then of course, the 49ers in the 80s were so dominant, it was hard not to be a Bay Area kid and not get caught up on it. So I was like, you know, Roger Craig and Joe Montana and Jerry Rice and, you know, Rathman, all those guys. And then what's the name, Bubba Paris? You played for the parade.

Starting point is 01:00:41 Okay, so you went to school with us. You watched during that time, which is a great time to be watching. And we would hook most people, what made it fall out of favor for you? Why didn't you keep watching? Sorry, I lift them weights, dude. I got into it.

Starting point is 01:00:52 Yeah, I loved weights, and then UFC, I watched the first UFC with my dad. So I've always liked martial arts grappling, especially, and lifting weights. And, oh, here's the thing, I played, I told my mom, I wanted to try tackle football. I think I was in eighth grade. I think so. And I'd never played real tackle football before

Starting point is 01:01:14 and I went to two practices and the coaches fucked us up. Bass. And I remember being like, I don't wanna do this anymore, Bob. Cast a little bit at least. This is too much. I was not fun, I don't know to do this anymore, Bob. Cast a little bit. This is too much. It's not fun. I don't know what's going on. I had a back experience. Sorry.

Starting point is 01:01:32 I love this. I can fucking slam myself in my head and everybody. They beat the shit out of us. We didn't even tackle each other. We were just, the coach was throwing up. The coach was like, keep going. I'm like, this is not healthy. This coach used to go around like pull the hairs out of my legs as I'm like trying to get in stance.

Starting point is 01:01:52 We never were allowed water, you know, and then they would just put us in a bull in a ring like as much as possible where you just go ahead and just smash each other. And you loved it. I loved it. I was so much hate and anger in his life, you know. That's good.

Starting point is 01:02:04 I was loved. So I did like, I can hate and anger in his life, you know. It's good. I was loved, so I didn't like it. Just like, I can hurt people. I can hurt people and you'll tell me, good job for it. Yeah. You can't let it keep darkness. It's fun. Look, here's the deal.

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Starting point is 01:03:09 Mark, what's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys. So I've been working out and playing competitive sports probably for over 20 years now. And I'm finding that it takes a bit longer to recover. And I'm looking at different, you know, kind of different schemes, methodologies

Starting point is 01:03:30 to actually get to the point where I can keep doing what I'm doing without feeling like I did a thousand dead lifts the day after I play a soccer game. So I've been looking into one of the things I looked into was Doug Brignoli's his work out plan where it's mostly like it's pure isolation. And I'm just wondering what you guys, I know it's leaving a lot on the table as far as CNS signaling and stuff like that, but I'm wondering what you guys think about that as like a kind of a prehab rehab kind of thing.

Starting point is 01:04:00 Yeah, okay. So that's a good question. All right. So first and foremost, there are corrective type exercises that are used to connect to certain muscles that you may have issues firing or connecting to during certain movements, physical therapists use movements like this all the time.

Starting point is 01:04:17 They're not traditionally the body builder isolation movements, but they are isolation movements nonetheless. And in that particular application, there's some value, but the goal is not to stay in there, but rather to use those movements as a way to get the person to move better in more complex movements because, you know, every day life involves lots of complex movements

Starting point is 01:04:39 and very little kind of single joint isolation type movements. Now, the guy you're referring to, I'm familiar with, and his approach is somewhat like this. I go to the doctor and I say, hey, Doc, my knees bother me when I squat. And so the doctor says, oh, don't squat anymore. Or I say, hey, Doc, my knees, my ankles bother me when I walk a lot.

Starting point is 01:05:03 And the doctor says, yeah, yeah, don't walk a lot anymore and it'll stop hurting. Now, part of that's true. You stop doing what's bothering you and you'll start to feel better, but here's the problem with that. You just start to lose the ability to do the other stuff and you're not addressing really the root cause.

Starting point is 01:05:16 The root cause of a lot of these issues isn't the necessarily the exercise like squats or deadlifts, but rather the improper application or lack of connection, lack of mobility, your inability to stabilize, or maybe your inability to recover because there's too much intensity and combination

Starting point is 01:05:31 while all the other stuff that you're doing. So nothing necessarily wrong with this approach, but it's definitely going to result in your, and you losing the ability to do what you, what you can probably do right now, or just going further down that path. So I don't think isolation movements are key. Complex movements are, you just got to be able to do them right and you have to address

Starting point is 01:05:52 the issues that are preventing you from doing them properly and then apply them properly. You might just be applying too much intensity in the context of your overall lifestyle. I'm always, I'm always torn with with questions like this and and this approach like I don't necessarily disagree with his philosophy on on training because I think there's a majority of people that don't know how to apply intensity correctly to your point cell. And so a safer easier way to do that is let's just focus on isolation movements and control. It is. And it's a lot easier not to overdo it and hurt yourself because it's an isolation

Starting point is 01:06:32 exercise versus something that's like a big compound movement. That being said, I think that there's tremendous value in training these compound lists, but just understanding that where you're at in your life. Like the way I train a compound lift, even today just at 40 and I'm not lists, but just understanding that where you're at in your life. Like the way I train a compound lift, even today just at 40 and I'm not 50, right? So I approach it different than when I just did, that I did 10 years ago. 10 years ago I was so infatuated with how much more weight

Starting point is 01:06:56 can I put on my back? Where when I squat today, I care more about the movement. You know, how does it feel as I go through the squat? And that load could be 100 plus pounds less than what I was doing just five to near it? Now, do I look at it and go, oh my God, I'm so much weaker than I was before? Like, no, it's not like that.

Starting point is 01:07:13 Just, I have different goals in my life. I'm older, I'm a father now. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. I've already built the best physique I could probably ever build on my body. I'm just not at that place in my life anymore. But I, and I don't want to lose the skill of being able to squat, ask to grass, or deadlift, good amount of weight.

Starting point is 01:07:31 But I, but I also don't need to lift the most in, in, in the room anymore either. So my approach towards those movements is just different. I just, I, I look at it like the, the skill of the movement. And if, if it's off at all, or I feel like it's wearing on my body, that's always a great indicator that, okay, I'm not addressing mobility in my hips, or oh, I need to work on my ankle mobility more.

Starting point is 01:07:52 And I use squatting and deadlifting overhead pressing, these movements as great-gip fact yesterday, I hadn't done a barbell overhead pressing literally maybe a month. And it was actually really hard for me to extend my arms all the way over my head. And I was doing a 45, just the bar, you know,

Starting point is 01:08:10 even though I've shoulder pressed 225 over my head, I don't care about that right now. What I noticed was, oh wow, my lats are really tight. I have a hard time fully extending right now. And now it's an indicator for me to go back, use my Maps Prime pro program and address Some of my in mobility and some of my shoulder and potentially tightness in my lats And so I use these compound lifts today to be a gauge of improving my movement

Starting point is 01:08:37 Not so much how much can I hammer the body? And so that's my one thing I don't like about programs that decide to just dismiss these these movements that are fundamental. Yeah, and I want to add something to in terms of like the isolation movements. It's a great helpful tool for coaches to be able to identify you know, like a disconnect. So if there's a muscular disconnect there if there's a lagging body part if, if there's some kind of a lack of mind muscle connection, we could sort of microscope zoom in and see how to address that. And I think it's a very helpful way to kind of bring that back for the overall, but if you stay and you live in that type

Starting point is 01:09:18 of methodology, you're going to create more disfunctions for you. Like, think about the overall patterning of movement and how your body is able to organize itself for the overall. You're going to have issues with that when you come back to your sports specifically. So this is one thing that really irritates me is when I see athletes go into this direction of isolated movements and they come back to perform and there's just so many dysfunctions to deal with it in address at that point. Well, there are no isolated movements in support.

Starting point is 01:09:50 In any movement. Compound. Yeah, in any movement. Okay, so here's the, I'll give you an analogy mark. Just kind of illustrate this comparison, this false comparison that certain people will make. So let's say, I say, okay, hitting a nail with a rock is far more effective than using a hammer.

Starting point is 01:10:09 And you think yourself like, what? How is that even possible? And then I show you the comparison. On the one hand, we got a person using a rock to hammer the nail. On the other hand, we got someone throwing a hammer at a nail across the room. Well, yeah, in that case, the rock is going to be more effective. If I compare a leg extension to a crappy squat with poor mobility and no connection, yeah, the leg extension is going to be safer and better than a crappy poor

Starting point is 01:10:30 connection lack of mobility squat. So that that's a false comparison. We got to compare good to good, right? Like a good and I've heard, and if I'm not mistaken, maybe correct me if I'm wrong, Mark, but Doug Brignoli will refer to like isolation movements as being more efficient than compound lifts, or compound lifts are inefficient, right? Well, it's that there's a lot of load that does not go into the target muscle essentially. That's not how the body works.

Starting point is 01:10:57 And I get what he's saying in a lab, we can measure that, but it doesn't translate into the real world. There isn't a single, serious lifter. In any strength sport or even bodybuilding, that's gonna say a leg extension is gonna build your quads more than, any pick your compound lift, lunges, barbell squats, leg press, tack squat, I don't care.

Starting point is 01:11:20 No one's gonna say that. We know that, we know in practice that the compound lifts, they just are far more effective. We know when we're comparing apples to apples, but at the end of the day, Mark, what you wanna look at is, okay, why are these compound lifts hammering my body so much?

Starting point is 01:11:36 Why are they making me feel terrible? It's not the lifts, it's how you're performing them. And it's also, it's how you're applying them, what kind of intensity, your form, your technique, and your connection. If you fix those things, you'll get phenomenal results out of those compound lifts. But here's the best part, Mark, the pursuit of fixing those things will also get you amazing results. So it's not like you have to wait for a year before you could do a really good squat or really good deadlift. Your pursuit of getting there is going to still get you phenomenal results.

Starting point is 01:12:06 Versus, I only do these isolation exercises, in which case, you actually slowly lose your ability to do gross motor movements, because gross motor movements or movement in general involves muscle, okay, that's true, muscles have to contract, but there's skill involved. There's the way the muscles fire and work together.

Starting point is 01:12:29 That's why somebody who lifts a lot of weight in the gym isn't gonna feel as strong on the mat as a trained wrestler, right, the wrestlers gonna have smaller muscles. Each muscle probably contracts with less force, individually than a bodybuilder, but man, when they grab you, they know how to apply it, they know how to use leverage, there's a skill involved, and it feels like they're a lot stronger. Anybody who's ever trained in mixed martial arts will tell you this.

Starting point is 01:12:54 So, that's what you want to focus on. And there are lots of people in our space who take what they do is they take this kind of aesthetic-minded bodybuilder mentality. They go extreme with it. And then because they're smart, they can articulate it in a very misguided way that sounds kind of smart. So the average person listens,

Starting point is 01:13:13 he goes, wow, that kind of makes sense. It's convincing. And let me look at a picture of the guy. Oh, he's ripped. So maybe he knows what he's talking about, which I'll tell you right now, in my space, there's a lot of really ripped looking people that know

Starting point is 01:13:25 nothing about- I don't think it's just that either. I think it also matters what Mark's specific goals are. And I'm assuming that with your athletic background that you don't want to lose that ability to do some of those things, or you at least want to keep it as long as you can. And definitely.

Starting point is 01:13:43 Right, so that's the part I think is the most important of this conversation, because, be honest, there's nothing wrong. I used to, ironically, I was more of this guy when I was younger where I used to say, I'm all show no go. I just want to look good. No girls ever ask me how much I bench

Starting point is 01:13:58 when I take my shirt off. So that was my mindset as a young kid, but it's different now today. Today I care more about being able to get down, sit down all the way on the ground, and play with my son without feeling like my back is on fire, or my knees are my hips are on fire. So different goals in my life.

Starting point is 01:14:12 So that matters here, right? And if you are a guy that likes to move, and likes to do active things, and you want to keep that as long as you can, then I definitely would not want you to eliminate certain movements like a squad or a deadlift or overhead press. But I would, I would know this because I've trained many people like you that have an athletic mindset. And I know that how you do anything is how you do everything.

Starting point is 01:14:36 And the one thing I'd probably have to keep reminding you is Mark, don't get competitive with yourself here. Don't try and keep adding weight to the bar. If you're going to get competitive with anything, get competitive with how well you're moving the bar. Practice the lifts. Don't train the lifts. Think that way. I'm going to go in the gym and I'm going to practice these movements like you would be practicing a throw or a swing to get really good at them. And then I'll use one more analogy, again, just to kind of hammer this home. Imagine if you were in a laboratory

Starting point is 01:15:06 and the scientist studying you said, okay, here's what we're gonna do. You're not gonna walk at all for the next three years. We're not gonna allow you to walk at all. However, we're gonna train all the muscles involved in walking in isolation. So you're gonna do calf raises, leg extensions, leg curls, hip abduction, hip abduction.

Starting point is 01:15:24 We're gonna work all the muscles in isolation, but for three years, you're not going to walk at all. How well do you think you're walk at the end of that three years? Yeah, it's, it's horrible. And also, I guess the, the, if you follow this origin to insertion theory to, you know, the conclusions that have been drawn, you wouldn't lift, you wouldn't do overhead lifts, which seems very dysfunctional. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:43 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, 100%. Yeah, there's a lot like look at real world practice. Don't don't forget that pretty much all movement is a skill that can be learned and forgotten. So it's not just as easy as looking at a muscle, look at some traction. It's not just muscle contraction. You know, there's there's more to the story here. And I think a better approach would be to if you need a break from compound lifts and really address any kind of imbalance or dysfunction, go for a while doing unilateral training.

Starting point is 01:16:08 That's gonna have to, yeah. Yeah, focus on that a while. It's really gonna highlight a lot of the imbalance and things that will just present itself to you. You'll get better at that. You spend some time there, you bring it back to bilateral compound lifts and you're gonna notice a massive difference. That being said too, I don't, to your point Justin and Mark, there is, there's nothing

Starting point is 01:16:28 wrong with this either. This isn't in either or or ours or his. It's like, there's nothing wrong with you running an isolated program like this for a small period of time. I just, I would, I would discourage you of getting rid of compound lists because of one person's philosophy. Like, I definitely don't disagree with, hey, for two or three months, if you wanna run all isolation exercises for a while

Starting point is 01:16:52 to see how you feel and then to come back to those movements and see, wow, do they get better, do they get worse? Do I like the way I feel, do I like the way I look, do I like what I see happening? Like, I don't see anything wrong with that. I would just discourage any of my clients from completely eliminating these movements in fear of like, oh, happening, like, I don't see anything wrong with that. I would just discourage any of my clients from completely eliminating these movements and fear of like, oh, there, the movement

Starting point is 01:17:09 is what's hurting my back. Yeah, cycling totally makes sense. Right. Well, Mark, thanks for calling in. And do you have access to maps prime pro, because I feel like that would help you a lot with regardless of what workout you're doing? Yeah, I went on a spending spree over during your Black Friday sale.

Starting point is 01:17:27 So I picked up prime prime pro and your RGB bundle. Oh, excellent. So yeah, use prime and prime pro. I don't care what work out you're following. You follow dog. Shut up up in the forum, dog. And if you're not in our private forum, that's good at it. Let's let's let's get you in there.

Starting point is 01:17:42 So we can follow. Okay, perfect. All right. Thanks, Mark. Awesome. Thanks, guys. No problem. Yeah. Boy, it's hard not to get annoyed when I hear stuff like this because you kind of hear it in our voices a little bit. Well, you know, the problem is we take very much a lot of pride in what we do in helping people. And we know that this message, there's some truth in it, but we also know how people hear it and then what they end up doing with it.

Starting point is 01:18:09 And it's gonna do a huge of service. There's an old saying in fitness, which is, use it or lose it, right? And it's this old thing we used to say in the gym, I mean, in fact, when I was younger, I had no idea what the hell it meant. Well, literally what it means is, you stop training something, you stop doing something,

Starting point is 01:18:23 you lose the ability to do it. That's the bottom line. I mean, again, like the example I gave with not walking for a few years, even if all the muscles stay strong and you can contract them independently, you will lose a significant percentage of your ability to walk effectively. And that happens faster the older we get. So that was the reason why it was so crazy. This was literally yesterday. So a great question to address right now because I was actually kind of blown away by how difficult the overhead press was for me last night. I was like, holy shit, it's only been like a month.

Starting point is 01:18:54 I feel like it was like been a month that I didn't do that movement. But because I don't do anything else that supports that movement to be able to extend fully over my head like that, my body starts to prune it way faster today than what it did when I was in my 20s, and he's in his 50s. So if you just decide I'm not gonna overhead press

Starting point is 01:19:12 or I'm not gonna deadlift, I'm not gonna squat, it does not take very long before your body says, hey, we don't need to be able to squat. No, you know why? It's because as you get older, efficiency becomes a much more important survival. Survival mechanism. 100%.

Starting point is 01:19:25 No, and I see that. I saw it last night. I'd constantly get reminded of that. This was a great timing for this because I was like, wow, that is crazy. I was doing the bar. I did not go over the bar and I'm telling you, I was sweating just to get the full extension, stabilize, come back down and blew my mind. This is also, I get irritated,

Starting point is 01:19:45 because you see a lot of muscle activation type of testing and you can get some cool data from it, but that's not considering the overall. That's not, it's the same problem I have a lot with health where you see practitioners, they know one specific area of the body, one system so well, but they don't consider how everything is interconnected.

Starting point is 01:20:05 And this is just another one of those examples from fitness where you need to consider how everything else is interconnected, especially function. Especially a guy like this, because your goal does matter here. If he came on and says, like, Adam, I don't give it. I don't got kids. I don't give a shit about sports. I just want to look good. I just want to look good.

Starting point is 01:20:23 And every time I try and work on these squats or try and do these things, I keep running into these issues, you know, maybe that I look at that and go like, well, if you don't really give a shit about not being able to get down to the ground or not being able to do some of those movements and you literally just want to look good, well, that's, that's an okay approach to do that. You're still going to lose the, the incredibly profound effects of those exercise on changing how your body would. Fair. Fair. I mean, I definitely think that's fair, but I also think that there's many ways

Starting point is 01:20:47 to skin a cat, and if your desired outcome is just a look a certain way, you can achieve that by not doing those movements. But it's like, I don't, when you ask people deeper, and they have to say things like, for example, if you ask me, like, why don't you care if you can't live

Starting point is 01:21:02 something over your head ever again? Yeah. And even though I might have said, oh, I just want to look really good and I think about, well, I don't want care if you can't lift something over your head ever again? Like, you know, and even though I might have said, oh, I just want to look really good in that. Think about, well, I don't want to actually not be able to do that. That's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. No.

Starting point is 01:21:12 Our next caller is Aaron from New Hampshire. Aaron, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, what's up, boys? How you doing? Good, man. Hey, before I jump into my question, I wanted to say that. I'll be at the NCI conference in Phoenix next week

Starting point is 01:21:25 So I was really excited to hear that Adam and Sal will be there. Yeah Sorry, Justin's not coming. I'm really so sad about this. Make sure he wants to hear me talk to me. Make sure you come up and say hi for sure then Yeah, absolutely. I will So just a little bit of context before I jump into my question. I've been training for 10 years and I got into fitness for the same reason as many people, which is that I had some body imaginations, which really traced back to middle school when I was overweight. And ever since I got into training, I've been an advocate consumer of health content, including mind pumps. So I've listened to you guys since 2016, and I never missed an episode. And I think between the show and the YouTube channel,

Starting point is 01:22:07 I think I've probably consumed just about everything that you guys have put out. And I've also run through several maps programs. So the past year has actually really been a big turn and point for me on my health journey. I turned 30 years old and I also had my first kid, which was my son. And with that, I committed to finally overcoming my body image issues and to focusing on performance,

Starting point is 01:22:33 which is something that I knew for a long time that I needed, but I've just really been putting this off. And I got Maps green and jumped into it it and it's really been awesome. I absolutely love it. It's my favorite maps program. And I can frankly say that I'm finally training because I love my body and not because I hate it. And I feel really confident in my physique and everything just feels really good right now. I'm in fitness now for quality of life. I know Sal, you've talked a lot lately about how you're in fitness because of how it helps you excel in all the other parts of your life

Starting point is 01:23:09 and because it's good for your mental health. And it's really the same way for me at this point. Finally, so I wrote into you guys because I have an interesting new challenge coming out, which is that I'll be having two hip surgeries over the next year. So I'm going to have limited access to my lower body, although obviously I'll be able to do some stuff with my upper body. So I'm just wondering what you guys think I should be focusing on from a training perspective during this time.

Starting point is 01:23:35 Yeah, no, that's a good question. You know, it's funny that my answer is going to be different now than it would have been even just 10 years ago. So studies are, there's some interesting studies on this, and they've actually done this with people where they'll have one limb immobilized, like the left arm, and then they'll have the right arm not immobilized, and they'll have the control group

Starting point is 01:23:56 where they don't do anything with both arms, and then they'll have the other group while we'll train the arm that they can move to see if it creates a greater discrepancy if it results in bigger imbalances or whatever. And what they found was when the people trained the arm that wasn't immobilized, it actually prevented some muscle and strength loss

Starting point is 01:24:17 from the arm that was mobilized. Now in the past, I would have told someone, don't train the parts of your body that can move because you'll create a bigger imbalance later on. it's harder to fix. That's naturally at all. So when you aren't able to train your lower body, continue to train the parts of your body that you can, it'll actually prevent some strength and muscle loss in your lower body. And then before that, even more importantly, go into your surgery, feeling strong and healthy because you're going to lose some strength and muscle.

Starting point is 01:24:48 It's just going to happen. But the stronger you go into it, the fitter and more healthy you go into it, the better the recovery is going to be, the better position you'll be in. And then of course, don't forget about muscle memory. It's a real thing. It's very effective. It's really cool. So once you heal, you'll definitely notice, oh my gosh, I lost a lot of strength and muscle. If you do everything right, it'll come

Starting point is 01:25:08 back very quickly. And then the finally, uh, create team, the wonder supplement. They're not, they're showing that creatine supplementation results in less muscle and strength loss, uh, during recovery from surgeries. Then when people don't use it. So those will be the three things that I would recommend. When Aaron, when did you say, when's the surgery coming up? December 28th. So it's a few weeks later. Okay, so you are coming up close. Yeah, I mean, my advice would not be any different

Starting point is 01:25:32 than sales. I mean, I really would just, the best thing you can do is to go into it with the most muscles, so staying consistent and building as much as you can going into that. So we can mitigate how much we lose. Cretein will help do that. But yeah, I would not stop.

Starting point is 01:25:48 I just continue training my upper body, working core, doing a lot of unilateral stuff. I would do that for my upper body. And then I wouldn't fret about the muscle loss that it's inevitable it's going to happen because it will. It'll come back pretty quick. And I think that's probably the most important part

Starting point is 01:26:05 of this conversation is I would actually, I would love to follow up with you after the surgery when it's time to get back into things with, because to me, that will be the most important thing and the thing that you'll have to be careful of is, we tend to have this tendency, especially when we've been consistently working out, you see you lose this muscle, you start to feel better,

Starting point is 01:26:24 and then you can wanna get after it right away, and you kind of set yourself back. That's very common. So to me, what you do afterwards is even more important than what you continue to do like, yeah, just do some upper body stuff, continue lifting. That's pretty general advice. But when you get out, how you're feeling, how you're moving, and what we kind of focus on really, really matters more.

Starting point is 01:26:46 That's going to be the hardest work is to be able to control the tendencies of wanting to keep going because you felt good. You feel good right now and you want to get back to that place. However, it may take a bit longer for you to heal and be able to adjust, but to find those thresholds and to kind of slowly work your way in that direction, all of those gains will come back. That's gonna be inevitable. Just it's the gradual approach that's gonna win you the longevity in your pursuits

Starting point is 01:27:13 for maintaining this kind of fitness. Yeah, isometrics are really good, by the way. When you get to the point when you can start moving a little bit, isometrics, they're safe because you're not moving through the range of motion, they activate muscles. Are you going to have access to a good physical therapist afterwards Aaron? Yeah, yeah, I'll be doing lots of PT. I've actually been doing PT for about a year and

Starting point is 01:27:34 a half within leading up to the surgery. So I also have a lot of equipment at home, not a dumbbell. Oh, dude. Now, do you have a therapist that comes to your house or do you go to a clinic? No, I know y'all are working with Luna now, but I actually go to an old school traditional PC. If you want someone to come to your house, if you want to do supplemental physical therapy, and it's super convenient, go to Luna, they'll send someone to your house and they'll work with the current therapist, and I think it's probably going to still be covered by

Starting point is 01:28:00 insurance, but I think your therapy is going to be key. A good physical therapist is worth their weight and gold when it comes to this kind of stuff. What are they telling you, Aaron? What's the time frame on that? I don't remember a last client that I trained with hip surgery. What's the time frame on recovery and getting back to things? So between the first and second surgery,

Starting point is 01:28:17 there has to be at least four months that has. He said probably somewhere between four to six months. And I'll probably be on crutches for about a month after each of them. They're not, it's not as severe as a hit replacement, because it's a bereavement, but probably about a month on crutches. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think you're going to be okay, but it's the struggle is going to be

Starting point is 01:28:36 mental. That's going to be the big struggle. You know, it's the in between aspect and stuff, but you'll bounce back quickly if you do everything right. And you're, you sound like you're going into it pretty fit. So I think if anybody has chances of a really good full recovery, it's gonna be someone like you. And I know that this isn't advice related to the really muscle and fat loss and movement.

Starting point is 01:28:58 But when I have situations that are, obviously I've never had hip surgery, but I've definitely had knee surgery and I've torn my Achilles and I've been basically locked down from doing some physical stuff. I always like to find another area in my life to put my energy and focus on it with growth related. And that could be a lot of things. It could be diving into your relationship or to family stuff. It could be reading, but find an area of growth that doesn't, you're not limited to by your legs and your movement to kind of focus your

Starting point is 01:29:32 energy on you. So you don't get discouraged by what you can't do. And you know, to me, like that's always been able to get me out of these places where I'm incapable of doing something or I'm limited because of something that I can't control. And then I use that opportunity like, well, I can't do any of my legs stuff right now and instead of dwelling on that and I'm like,

Starting point is 01:29:53 well, you know what, that opens the door for me where I would be training my legs, at least two hours out of a week. Now I'm gonna read instead or I'm gonna do something else that's going to grow me somewhere else in my life. I think that does tremendous things for your overall health. Adam, is there anything in specific in the library that you'd recommend?

Starting point is 01:30:15 Ooh, what are you into right now? Obviously you're into fitness. I get that, but that's boring for me to read. What are you all so are you into, or is there stuff that you're into with like investing in finance or personal growth? Where's your head at? Oh yeah, all of that. I'm also a marketing professor so I do a lot of business books about personal growth, finance, relationships, anything like that. Okay. Have you read the books way before? No. Check that out. So since you're into marketing and you like that, check the books way out. That was a fun read for me. Long time ago, I forget the author. Maybe a you're in the marketing and you like that check the books way out. That was a fun read for me

Starting point is 01:30:49 Long time ago. I forget the author. I'll have maybe a Doug will pull it up and then you'll catch a Clip of it after we post this up But start there and then hey message me I you know people message me all the time about what they're reading and give me I love to talk to people about what they're currently reading and give suggestions So I do have plenty of suggestions especially if you send me like over like three books that you really like. Normally one of them maybe I've read or I'm familiar with them and I can give a good recommendation

Starting point is 01:31:10 to something related to that. Awesome, Sway, I got it. All right, man. Cool. Thanks for calling in. I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. Take it easy. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:31:19 Yeah, you know, this makes me, I think back to the last like major issue I had physical was when I had shoulder surgery, I had my AC joint resected. And I remember the doctor, I don't remember what the timeframe was, but they told me something like, you can't work out for, it was something like eight weeks or something like that.

Starting point is 01:31:38 And the challenge is this, is that as a fitness professional, you have a better pulse on how your body's moving and what you can and can't do. But then the flip side is your tendencies don't want to push it. But I'm very proud of how I handled it. I remember I went to the doctor for one of my first or second follow-up appointments and he said, can you lift your arm up a little bit and I went all the way up. And he looked at me like, what the hell? I said, well, I'm a, I'm a trainer. I know, uh, correctional, correctional exercise.

Starting point is 01:32:11 I've been working on, on, on my own. And the doctor was blown away and then he said, you know, it's funny. Sally goes, we give these like time frames for, for how long you need to be off, you know, your, your legs or how long you need to not lift anything over 25 pounds, to the average person who doesn't do what you do to keep them safe. It goes, but it's obvious, you can move things a lot faster when you had no how to apply the right exercises and techniques. Yeah, it's pretty remarkable when you put the work in and you go into something like that or even pregnancy, for instance, how quick the rebound is when your body has that kind of muscle memory

Starting point is 01:32:47 and it has that that work already established it remembers and you're able to kind of really rebound quickly. Yeah, my mind's still on the book thing. Doug, what was the name of the book you and I read last year, a story brand? Was that, oh yeah, how to build a story brand, I believe. How to build? I think it's just called a story brand. It's called building a story brand.

Starting point is 01:33:06 Billion of story brand. That's another one, Aaron. So if you listen to this afterwards, when we publish, that's another good read for your field and what you're into at the end of it. You can do you recommend that book that you're on the cover of, Adam. Stupid.

Starting point is 01:33:16 Crazy. Well, but I'm not too sure. Well, but I'm not too sure. This is, and again, I know it's not related to muscle and movement, stuff like that. No, I thought that was a great advice. Yeah, I just think that a lot of times we get so focused on what we can't do when it's related to a lot of things in life, not just working out in fitness.

Starting point is 01:33:35 And when you're going through something like this where... Especially if you love fitness. Yeah, right. Or even an identity. Or in his case, he has just a lot of momentum in this direction and his pursuit of health and getting shape and he's probably feeling really good. It can be very discouraging. I feel like you're in the doldrum.

Starting point is 01:33:50 I've dealt with this quite a bit with athletes, especially too, where they get injury and it's just that's detrimental because your mind, it just starts spinning and it's like, what I can't do, what I can't do, what I can't do, what can you do? Like, and I love that because it's like, yeah, let's refocus that and let's work on ourselves.

Starting point is 01:34:04 There's more aspects to life than just this, 100%. Our next caller is Brenda from Michigan. Brenda, how can we help you? Hi, so gonna try to keep us short. I just had a baby about seven months ago, but I am in the military and thankfully, they changed the standards that we now have a year to get back to where we were, it used to be six months. I'm just struggling a bit,

Starting point is 01:34:33 I kind of lost all my strength, all my endurance, everything I worked hard for. So I'm starting back from zero and I'm trying to do everything at once, which is lose the way, get my pull-ups up, and get my run time down. And it's just a lot in like, I have five months left. So I was just hoping I could get some advice on how, I don't wanna push it, because my issue is push it, and then I'll just quit,

Starting point is 01:35:03 because my body breaks down. It gets tired, obviously. And that's just kind of what I'm showing you, if it's how to do it all at once without breaking that. Okay. Well, Brenda, are you breastfeeding at the moment with your stool? Not anymore. Not anymore, no.

Starting point is 01:35:22 All right, that's good because it gets a little more challenging when we're talking about fat loss while breastfeeding. Well, here's a good news. Losing weight might make it harder to get a heavier dead lift or a squat, but it actually makes pull-ups and running faster, easier. So all of your goals don't actually conflict. They actually help each other out a little bit.

Starting point is 01:35:41 The weight loss is going to come from diet. I don't want you to try to exercise the weight loss because that's gonna be a losing, that's gonna be a totally losing approach. Now, as far as getting better at all of those things that you're doing, you wanna do the minimal amount of work to see results because then you can move from there. So what you don't wanna do is do as much as you possibly can

Starting point is 01:35:59 and see if you can recover from it, but rather, do enough to get the improvement to start happening. And then once you start to see the improvement, it starts to happen, you feel good, then you can add a little bit more. So my next question is, what does your routine look like now? So right now, I work out about five days a week. That's pretty much the most I can do. I try to fit in a six or seven from there, but it's just not practical with the baby.

Starting point is 01:36:27 I'm kind of alone right now. My husband works somewhere else. So I work out five days a week for about an hour. I do weight lifting every day, all those five days, and then I do some form a cardio for 15 minutes. I try not to run that often because I know my body and I've had two knee surgeries before, so I try to limit my running and I've been doing the rower. So pretty much that's where I'm at.

Starting point is 01:37:03 Okay. Well, I think because you have this written up here, so I want the audience to hear this, that you need to be able to do three miles sub 30 minutes. You need to also be able to do a minimum of three pull-ups, and then you also need to be able to do a minute 10 plank. Correct. Okay, so this is important

Starting point is 01:37:24 because you obviously have to, the way you're getting back in shape is being measured is by these things, correct? There's nothing else that you have to do physically to prove that you're back in the shape. Correct. And those are all the minimums. So as obviously, I'd like to do more than that because that's your baseline score, which isn't a very good score. Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:49 Since you have something very specific like this, we should build your training routine geared around that. But that doesn't mean that you should be, like for example, the three mile, 30 minute run. I definitely wouldn't have you do that every day or even three times a week. I'd have one day a week where you're challenging that and then maybe shorter bouts, maybe two other times in the week, but you definitely want to build your routine around the pull-ups, the planks, and this ability to run.

Starting point is 01:38:18 So I don't know if I would want you to not run whatsoever because you're going to be challenged that way. Yes, rowing will give you some cardio endurance and help some carry over to that. But you could take, we've talked about this before. You could take somebody who is an incredible swimmer and they've been swimming their whole life and you can have somebody who's an incredible runner.

Starting point is 01:38:37 You flip flop them and they wouldn't perform as well, even though they both have great cardio-vascular endurance, just because their body has not adapted to that specific modality. So we do, and I think five days of weight training is a lot. I think you could get a lot done in two to three days of lifting, and then the rest of the time and focus, I would be put around these three skills that you need. Practice those things. How many pull ups do you do now?

Starting point is 01:39:02 I'm at one now. Okay. So do you have space in your home for a pull up bar? Yes. Okay. So get put the pull up bar up, get a resistance band, tie it around the pull up bar so you can use it to give you assistance. And I would practice one pull up, I don't know, five times a day throughout the day where you step on the band. So it helps you. So it's not like a hard one pull up. It's kind like a hard one pull up. It's kind of a moderate one pull up

Starting point is 01:39:28 and you just practice that throughout the day. Planks, how long can you plank for now? I'm out a minute 25 right now. Oh, so you already beat that, right? Yeah. So, I mean, if you want, you could practice that same way, 30 seconds, so you do like a 30 second plank a few times a day.

Starting point is 01:39:44 Those two things right there will get way better just from doing that practice. The run, I think Adam gave you great advice. You can practice once a week for the three-mile run and then do a couple shorter runs. And then maybe one or two days a week of full body traditional resistance training. And on those days, you don't need to do the practicing of the pull-ups and the plank. Those days is just the resistance training. And I think you'll see some pretty rapid results that way. Yeah, I mean, I agree with the protocol they're presenting in terms of also keeping

Starting point is 01:40:12 because that is like a specific goal you need to consider. But trying to kind of ease up on trying to take every tackle everything at once, especially in the beginning, really just focusing on your strength training two to three times a week, is the major focus there is to get your body back in strong and resilient. You know, the cardiovascular adaptation is going to come naturally as you start to kind of ramp it up there towards your five month sort of goal there.

Starting point is 01:40:39 So I would definitely try to taper that in the beginning and start adding to that in terms of intensity and then go from there. But really, the strength should be the focus. And like Sal said, with having a pull-up bar there, just continually practice that as frequently as possible. You're not training it. You're practicing it. You just hop up on the pull-up bar when you walk by, put the strap in your foot, do

Starting point is 01:41:04 one, and it's like moderately hard. If you wanted to, you could probably do five. That's it, and then you just get down and just practice it, and you'll see the strength will go up very quickly with that particular movement. And to be more specific with the running since you mentioned that you've felt your body break down

Starting point is 01:41:19 before, part of why you probably feel that way is trying to run three miles or more as fast as you can in addition to strength training four to five times a week. If you pull back on the weight training so you're not pushing so hard there and you also scale back on the distance that you're running I think go out. So it would for me it would look something like this if I was coaching you you would do one to two days or just mile runs when we do the run, we're trying to obviously improve your time every time that you do that. One time a week, you would do a mile and a half.

Starting point is 01:41:49 Also trying to continually improve that mile and a half time, week over week. And then the only one day a week will we actually test at the max distance, which would be the three miles, and then you're trying to slowly improve that. And that's all I would need you to do, and you would be surprised how fast your body

Starting point is 01:42:04 would acclimate to that and get good at it. And then the practicing like the guys said with training, but if you are feeling like your body is breaking down, that's a clear indication you're just overdoing it, you don't need to do that. There is a program that's somewhat similar. We don't really highlight very often, which is our OCR program. It does focus specifically on grip training, but also pull-ups and distance running.

Starting point is 01:42:27 There is a bit of a protocol in there to try and meet this timed run. That's something, too, if it's not as quite as specific as what you need in terms of what your standards are, but it would be something complimentary to that. It's pretty intense, though. I would definitely work up to that. Yeah, work up to that. You know what, Brenda, do you have maps prime pro? I don't. All right, we'll send that to you

Starting point is 01:42:51 because you talked about your knees hurting you. You probably have some mobility issues in your hips or ankles that can help fix that particular issue so that you could start running. So we'll send that over to you, okay? And you know what, Justin mentioned OCR, we'll send that to you as well.

Starting point is 01:43:04 I wouldn't jump into that though until you're, you're doing good. You're getting the strongest. Or just pull out a one day out of it. You don't need to swallow the whole protocol. I know we're just, yeah, Justin is alluding to that because of the pull ups that we program there and the running.

Starting point is 01:43:23 So I would look at that as far as the programming and how we set that up and use some of that guidance. And then maybe one day a week, you can follow one of the foundational training days in there and that will benefit you. But I wouldn't actually, to Salis Point, follow the whole program to a T because it's a little bit more than what you probably need

Starting point is 01:43:42 right now, but you could probably get some value from it. So we'll send that to you too. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks, Brenda. You know, it's a common theme, obviously, but it's so, how many times have you guys experienced this? You do less, you get better results.

Starting point is 01:43:56 The results finally come. Yeah, and it's always, every time that happens to him, I was like, oh, obviously, right? But it's such a hard switch to make mentally, because usually it doesn't compute. Yeah, well, usually doing more and working harder equals better, right? It's usually not the opposite,

Starting point is 01:44:13 but often in many cases, especially with people who like Brenda, who are working so hard and you have a specific goal, oftentimes, that's when he's happening. It's a bit of a problem. Well, especially when you're, you know, she's weight training five days a week and then also running. So much. Especially when you're, you know, she's weight training five days a week and then also running so much.

Starting point is 01:44:27 They're so conflicting, you know, so, she'd be far better off doing mobility three, four days a week and only strength training once and then focusing on the run if she wants to get good at the run. But the reason why she fills the body breaking down all the time is she's probably sore and tight and in mobile from all the strength training and not addressing mobility.

Starting point is 01:44:45 And then she goes out and goes for a run for three miles or without that. And the body just says, FU, that doesn't feel good. And so then it probably sets her back. So there's definitely a way to scale up to this to be able to do all that. Gotta consider the recovery process.

Starting point is 01:44:57 Our next caller is Isaiah from Arizona. Isaiah, how can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for accepting my call. This is super awesome and I appreciate what you guys doing, the content you guys put out. So I had to say that like everyone else does. So to help that with the question, I am currently a personal trainer.

Starting point is 01:45:19 I'm very new. I started this year in June and the gym that I'm working at, the amount of time that they give us, trainers to work with our clients is 30 minutes. And I felt like that is a pretty short amount of time to kind of figure out what kind of program I want to run for them and what kind of exercises I should include. Since it's only 30 minutes, I have to work with listening to you guys. I really understand the value of making sure you do compound lifts and just the benefits that those offer, especially when the client schools are weight loss or muscle gain. So I've been trying to really incorporate those, but I feel like they take

Starting point is 01:46:07 up a lot of the time that we're given as trainers at the gym I work at, and maybe that's still okay, but I feel like I'm having a hard time figuring out how to program my workout for my clients for only 30 minutes. I love this question. Do you guys remember, it was actually the very beginning of the podcast. I don't think we've talked about this in a long time. We talked about this. Remember, we talked about, like, if we only had 30 minutes to train a client, like, how would, how would we address that?

Starting point is 01:46:34 And this similar challenge was, you know, because I get it, like a squatting session could literally take 30 minutes by itself. Yeah, totally. Um, so obviously, the first thing is everybody is an individual and this answer that I'm going to give you would be different based on the client. So this is where your skill sets will evolve. You'll have to learn to modify and adjust based on the person,

Starting point is 01:46:57 their goals, their needs, their inability and so forth. But I do think there is nothing wrong with an entire 30 minute session being dedicated to improving the squat. And so I would actually convince my client that came in that like today we are gonna work on the skill of squatting because it's so bent and I would sell them on why I want to do this

Starting point is 01:47:19 because of how beneficial it is for building muscle, for burning body fat, for overall function. Like we wanna get good at this. And so the whole session would be around, you know, these priming and mobility movements, and then we would squat, then we would do priming, mobility movements, and then we would squat, and just trying to get them good at it.

Starting point is 01:47:33 And that would be like one of the training sessions. And then maybe the next day I see him, it's overhead press and bench press or something, like maybe I can get two lifts done. But don't be afraid to do one or two, like full body movements, like the squat, a deadlift, overstanding overhead press. These movements are so fundamental and beneficial

Starting point is 01:47:52 to the client that just because you didn't do seven exercises, listen, you could do seven exercises, right, in a workout for somebody, and it'd be less effective than one. And I think that's the hardest part for some people to understand. It's like, you know, you could have someone do a machine, bicep curls, tricep push downs, lateral raises, you know, cable rows, and maybe something else.

Starting point is 01:48:16 And I would tell you that I could take that same person and do just one squat session with them, and they will get more bang for their buck as far as burning fat, building muscle, overall movement, overall health. So don't be afraid to have a session that's completely dedicated to a movement. Yeah, I 100% agree. I mean, simplicity here is key

Starting point is 01:48:35 because I mean, it's so nuanced. There's so many different cues, so many different things you can peer into. It actually, they get a lot of value out of that. And you have to consider each person individually, like, what's their biggest need? Like, what can I really hyper-focus in on and educate them and build them, you know, a routine that's going to last them a long lifetime. And so this is something to like, in considering, you know, each joints function and really

Starting point is 01:49:02 like hyper-focusing in on that and like alleviating pain or any kind of restriction of the body, you know, we could just do a session mobility-wise where I could really like teach them tricks and ways to, you know, place their body in positions where it's going to alleviate a lot of that, it's going to open up new ranges of motion, it's something that they can apply at home. I'm giving them skills to then apply at home and practice, practice, practice, we come back, you know, we move on and we go to something else like maybe a compound lift or something has a little bit more, you know, involvement in terms of difficulty. So, you know, there's a whole scale with that.

Starting point is 01:49:35 Like it's just, you got to look at it as like, how can I sort of, you know, compartmentalize what I would normally do with a long session with somebody and really just add as much value by hyper focusing on and educating this client. Yeah, Isaiah, you know your clients, so I would spend that 30 minutes on the stuff that they need you the most for. So it may be overhead press and row, it might be mobility, it might be correctional exercise, it depends on the client. So, and now here's what I would do if I was in your situation. So one of the things, one of the, one of the reasons why I ended up opening up my own studio was because I hated being limited by the big box jams. They tell me what I can and can't do.

Starting point is 01:50:20 I used to know this shit out of me, so I opened up my own studio so I could do whatever I wanted. But in the meantime, you're in this facility. You're limited by time, so you've got to figure out a way to work around it. Here's what I would do if I were you. I would do what the client needs me to do the most in that 30 minutes, and then I would say, John, here's the rest of your workout. Go do that on the gym. I'm going to be training Suzy over here. If you have a question, just come over here and ask me real quick, or I'll keep an eye on you through the corner of my eye. And if something really happens, and I'll shout across the gym,

Starting point is 01:50:49 and the clients won't mind, in between sets, I'll answer your question, or I can kind of watch a little bit, or I know you're doing the exercise I told you. But focus most of the, all that 30 minutes is what you think the client needs you most for. So look at all the exercise,

Starting point is 01:51:03 all the stuff you wanna do and say, okay, what do I feel most comfortable this client doing on their own? And what do they really need me the most for? Sometimes it's the exercises that they need the most cues for. Sometimes it's the exercises they won't do alone. So oftentimes it was like, I'm gonna do these exercises with my client because they're not gonna do it on their own. Like, they may need me, they may need my help with the squat,

Starting point is 01:51:25 but I know they'll go squat on the wrong, but I know this guy ain't gonna do mobility, so guess what I'm gonna do for 30 minutes with this person, just mobility. So this is where the coaching and training aspects, where your expertise comes in the way. In those limitations already, my head is in the direction of like,

Starting point is 01:51:39 how many times can I schedule them a week? Like, how can I fill the schedule up? And because it's gonna be a value to them, I'm gonna keep teaching them. If I have the short brief moment of time with them, if I can have them as frequently as possible, run through all these sessions, I'm gonna be able to establish some kind of routine

Starting point is 01:51:55 that they can stick to. Yeah, is this a big box like gym chain that you work at? I mean, it's called mountainside fitness, so I don't know how big that is. I know it's pretty big in the area that I'm in. Okay. Do they allow you to train a client two sessions back-to-back by any chance? Yeah, and I've done that.

Starting point is 01:52:15 It's just not every client has the time to do that, but I have done our sessions. Yeah, that's okay. That's what I was going to say. So, you know, if I had a client that I'm, I'm like, well, here's a deal. In this 30 minutes, I'm gonna focus on the stuff you really need me for, but I'm gonna be honest with you. You also need me for other stuff as well. I think you need to work on me for an hour.

Starting point is 01:52:33 I mean, you're the expert, right? You make the recommendations and you take it from there and you give them an option. Option one, I'm training you for 30 minutes, I'm gonna focus on the stuff you really need me for, but then that means that there's other stuff that you kinda need me for, but you gotta do on your own. Or option two, I'm your trainer.

Starting point is 01:52:50 That's it, everything you do in the gym, you do with me, and I can tell you that you're gonna get the best results, and I can guarantee that you're gonna be in the best hands doing it that way as well. Well, this also highlights the exception to the rule, right, that we make sometimes. We talk about on the show all the time, the benefits of free weights, and that, you know,

Starting point is 01:53:06 isolation exercises are like inferior to, you know, compound movements and so on that. But here's an example of where I would use a lot of machines and real basic movements is I would go, okay, like Sal is saying, I'm gonna focus on the thing that they need me the most for in those 30 minutes and then I'm gonna prescribe the rest of them and I'm gonna prescribe things that may not be as good, right?

Starting point is 01:53:27 So I know that a barbell bench press is superior to a machine cable fly or machine press, right? I know that. But maybe I'm limited to the time, and I know there's other things that I could help them out even more. So for the time being, I might squat with them for that 30 minutes and then tell them, I want you to use the machine press here and this tricep push down machine here and this bicep curl machine here and then this lateral machine here. And that's what you're going to do after you and I squat together. Or this is what I want you to do tomorrow when you don't see me. So I would use these exercises that we typically would say are inferior to other barbell dumbbell movements

Starting point is 01:54:05 because I'm limited to how much time I can support this client. Or you might have a client who actually, once you show them one time, they do have pretty good form and you can trust them to go do a dumbbell school crusher or they do pick up bench press. And so you can prescribe that. But I think the answer is pretty much the same from all of us

Starting point is 01:54:23 is you as a trainer need to figure out what, you know, if you looked at the perfect program where you weren't limited by time, where are the areas that they will need you the most, and that's where you focus your time, and then the rest, you prescribe and tell them to do on their own. That's perfect. Yeah, that was my thought process, and I figured you guys would also say the same thing. So my thought process was, if I only have 30 minutes of them, the best thing I can do for them is to provide the best service I can in that 30 minutes and I've really learned how valuable the compound lifts are.

Starting point is 01:54:57 So I've been starting out my sessions with those lifts, squats, dead lifts, bench press because I feel like those are going to get them the most benefit. And some of those lifts, you really need help doing that. Like you obviously need a spotter when it comes to bench or to watch form when you squat. So I've been really focusing my sessions on those. And sometimes they take up half of the time.

Starting point is 01:55:18 Sometimes they take up the whole time, like in a five by five squats, like 30 minutes goes by pretty quick. And they haven't complained that it's boring or that they're not having fun. They're seeing good progress and they're getting good results. I just figured I would get some validation from you guys. Yeah, let me interrupt you. Okay. This is a miss and also I don't think you're making this mistake, but be aware of this. One mistake that a lot of new trainers make is they completely forget human behavior. What your client needs you the most for,

Starting point is 01:55:53 sometimes is what you think they need the most. And sometimes it's just, like I said earlier, like I got a client who definitely benefit from me doing lots of squats with them, but I also know that they're gonna do some form of squats on their own, but the also know that they're gonna do some form of squats on their own, but the one thing that they always avoid is mobility work.

Starting point is 01:56:08 So guess what I'm gonna do for 30 minutes with that person, mobility work, right? So you gotta think like that. What does the client need the most for me and what is gonna benefit them the most? Do that in the 30 minutes. So sometimes it's gonna be the compound lifts, sometimes it's gonna be the stuff

Starting point is 01:56:24 that the client won't do on their own, even though they know how to and they can, they just don't do it on their own. So that's what you end up with. And when you have multiple things that you're trying to address, like, because maybe you're hearing Sour and you're like, shit, man, they really need me for squat,

Starting point is 01:56:35 they really need me for deadlift, they really need me. So there's nothing wrong with you doing this. And by the way, the more you plan this out and share with your clients, the better your resigns will be. So they see that you have this long-term plan. And you say, hey, I'm limited to only 30 minutes with you. So this month, what I'm going to do is every 30 minute session is going to be different. And I'm going to go over what I think are the 12 most important movements

Starting point is 01:56:56 I want you to do. And so every workout is different for an entire month. And they practice on the run. That's right. And then they practice on their own. And then you focus on maybe just a couple of times. Does that make sense? So there's, and I tell you, like talk about setting up resigns, this is a great way to set up your resign because they see that you have this long old plan laid out for them.

Starting point is 01:57:16 From into value. You're gonna get tons of value in your coaching by you. And what might end up happening? And I guarantee this will happen to you if you do a good job of this. Many of them are like, man, this one day or two day a week, 30 minute things, just not enough for me. Can we do more?

Starting point is 01:57:29 I love it. I want to do more of it. Right. And so that's another way to lay this out is to, you know, plan it out weeks or months in advance of everything you're going to be covering with them. And then you'll be asking to do some of the things on their own. Got it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:57:43 Very helpful. Thank you. No problem. Yeah, your guys just show has taught me more than my certification has. So I appreciate your guys' content. Which certification was it by the chance? And I've learned a lot. So I'm not going to discredit them, but I went through Nassom.

Starting point is 01:57:57 Yeah, I was joking. I was doing all started up with this. Yeah, we all started with NDSM. So they're great certification. Thanks for calling in. Oh, by the way, is there any program you want for free? Cause I mean, I'm in a giving mood. It's a holiday season.

Starting point is 01:58:09 Sounds to clause. I would really like. I'd be a fan of either anabolic or performance would be awesome. You know, I'll give you a 5% off code. Just add them. No, I'm just kidding. We're gonna send both of those to you. Wait a second.

Starting point is 01:58:24 Wait a second before I let you commit to that. Do you own prime pro or prime? No. Okay, so I'm not gonna let you pick. I'm not gonna let you pick, because here's the deal. Those two programs for trainers and coaches, I've said this on the podcast again, so I'm gonna insult you a little bit right here.

Starting point is 01:58:40 You're an idiot, if you don't own those and you're a trainer and a coach, those two programs are so valuable for you as a trainer and coach. Like when it comes to addressing issues with the clients, if you own those or you have those, you should be able to go back and reference that and be able to blow your mind through your tools. As I checked this out, right? Like I said, we're in a giving mood right now. You're a trainer. You're one of our favorite people. We love coaches and trainers because we are coaches and trainers. I'm gonna give you prime, prime, pro,

Starting point is 01:59:06 and a ball of con performance for free. There you go. Whoa. All right. No problem, man. Now listen, you gotta do one thing for me. Go be the top trainer and your gym. Go out there and check.

Starting point is 01:59:15 Kick ass and then go open your own studio. So you don't have to follow these stupid rules. Yeah. I will do that. I can do that. All right, man. It's up. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:59:23 Change lives, buddy. You know, it's really annoying to me that gyms do. I can do that. All right, man, thank you. Thank you. Change lies, buddy. You know, it's really annoying to me that Jim's do. I can't stand is they fail to recognize the following. What's best for the client is best for the business. They just don't think of that sometimes. What they think to themselves is, 30-minute sessions, we can fit this many more clients. Number crunching.

Starting point is 01:59:41 It's a lower price point. We're gonna sell more training. No, what's best for the person, what's gonna give them the best results, improve their consistency the most, it's gonna give the trainers the most tools to do the best job. That's what's gonna make your business

Starting point is 01:59:54 and your gym crushed. Pricing and timely, it's the race of the bottle. I, it's just a noise that crap out of me. And I really wish that a lot of them would do this. And it was funny when I would run gyms, I would do what I wanted to do half the time and not what they told me to do because I understood this and luckily,

Starting point is 02:00:08 they left me alone because when they'd see the money, then they'd say, okay, well, Sal, you keep doing your thing, but it just really bothers me when they do that, you know? Yeah, I remember this though, that was the push for a while because it made sense corporate-wise. Yeah, let's be as efficient as possible.

Starting point is 02:00:21 Let's like lower price point because maybe price is the biggest barrier, but you know, then you had trainers out there like me. I'm like, I want to sell the biggest package I possibly can. Like, I don't want to like, so I would have to sell these 30 minute sessions and I would just stack them all back to back to back. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 02:00:36 I'm going to use this opportunity to continue to insult Isaiah and all the other trainers. I'm serious, Kay, the kid just said, it's a valid point. In the crunch of that. Yeah, listen, he's just interested in me right now. The kid just got done saying how much he's learned from our podcast and comparison to a national certification.

Starting point is 02:00:51 In ASM, by the way, runs you 800 to $1,000. Okay. Maps prime and prime pro, the fucking bundle is 160 bucks or so, give or take, whatever it is. That is not that much of an investment. And what that will be able to, you'll be able to do with that with with your clients will absolutely blow your mind. So if you're a trainer and you're listening this and I haven't said this in a while

Starting point is 02:01:11 and you do not own both those programs, you stop listening to show. I don't want you listening to show anymore. You're getting all this good information, you see all the value in it. Now you have to apply it and you haven't invested in those two programs. And out of all the programs we own nothing. We made those for trainers. Oh, I mean, that's really what we thought about when we made them and the value is tremendous.

Starting point is 02:01:29 And as a trainer or a coach, I'll tell you something right now, if you want to be successful and you had to pick a goal that you could work on to make yourself successful, it's not weight loss, it's not muscle gain, it's not performance, It's getting people to not have pain and leave it pain I swear to God if you could do that you will have a client I just do two do you guys remember I mean I I totally remember being a young trainer and then a client Telling me they have a pain here or this bothers him and being like oh fuck. I don't know You know like I don't are trying to gas or forget or then going home and trying to research and figure out what it is like or trying to guess or then going home and trying to research and figure out what it is.

Starting point is 02:02:04 Literally, that has compass test built in. So if they have an issue in a joint, that's bothering them, literally you can go, okay, let's do this movement, see how they move through it. Don't feel better right away. And then they have exercises to support that and improve that that are laid out for you. You look like a brilliant trainer,

Starting point is 02:02:22 and you could be brand new. So if you are a new trainer and you don't have that, slap yourself. Adam's disappointed in you. You look like a brilliant trainer and you could be brand new. Like so if you were a new trainer and you don't have that, slap yourself. Adam's disappointed in you. You know what? Well, I knew it was a mean one. When you were asking him about what program. I know you wanted the cool one. Yeah, he was going, oh, he had a ball, a crack, a static, and I'm thinking to myself, this kid I bet she doesn't even have fucking primal.

Starting point is 02:02:39 She's a freak. She's a freak. Come out, dude. Spoken like a good fitness manager. All right, look, if you like our information, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our guides. So we wrote a lot of free guides that can help you build more muscle, burn more body fat, move better, improve your health and longevity,

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