Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1703: The Best & Worst Cheat Rep Exercises, the Most Overrated Supplements, the Best Grip for Deadlifts & More

Episode Date: December 10, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best and worst exercises to do cheat reps on, the most overrated supplements, the grip that is the best and safest for deadlifts, and how lack of sleep affects performance in the gym. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Sugar doesn’t make you fat, fat doesn’t make you fat. (2:38) Butcher Box is now on Instacart. (25:12) Dana White has NO filter. (27:29) Conspiracy theories surrounding Jake Paul. (29:09) Sal goes down the rabbit hole of old-school bodybuilder videos. (35:07) The connection between Viagra and its effect on Alzheimer's disease. (36:48) Some fascinating statistics on the physical therapy industry. (39:51) The humbling ‘Spotify Wrapped’ numbers and their impact on downloads. (45:41) Cool technology news with Sal: SpinLaunch completes the first prototype flight using a kinetic launch system. (50:54) When a misdial leads to chat with one of your idols. (54:16) #Quah question #1 – What are the best and worst exercises to do cheat reps on towards the end of your set? (57:29) #Quah question #2 – What are the most overrated supplements? (1:03:41) #Quah question #3 - Which grip is the best and safest for deadlifts? (1:11:15) #Quah question #4 – How does lack of sleep affect performance in the gym? Does it affect pumps? (1:15:10) Related Links/Products Mentioned December Promotion: MAPS HIIT and MAPS SPLIT 50% off! **Promo code “DECEMBER50” at checkout** NIH study finds heavily processed foods cause overeating and weight gain Mind Pump #1435: How To Kick Your Sugar Addiction In 5 Simple Steps Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! UFC President Dana White Says He Has Tested Positive for COVID-19 Jake Paul, Tyron Woodley Set for Rematch After Tommy Fury Withdrawal Cleveland Clinic research identifies sildenafil as candidate drug for Alzheimer’s disease Luna Physical Therapy Americans Spent $33.9 Billion Out-of-pocket On Complementary And Alternative Medicine In One Year Alternative rocket builder SpinLaunch completes first test flight How Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers landed on a call with a Michigan high school basketball team Visit Serenity Kids for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MP20” at checkout** Mind Pump #1235: The 5 Most Overrated Supplements HOOK Grip vs MIXED Grip?? Which Will INCREASE Your Deadlift More?? (Jordan Shallow) - Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Dana White (@danawhite)  Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram Jake Paul (@jakepaul)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions, but we opened with a 52-minute intro portion. We talked about current events We talked about the news, scientific studies and we mentioned in our adges sponsors

Here are the topics for today's intro portion We open up by talking about how it's not sugar or fat or salt that is making your health Your health bad and your body over weight Then we talked about butcher box, one of our incredible sponsors. By the way, if you'd like to check them out, they deliver grass fed meats to your door for incredibly great prices. And right now, they will give you free bacon for life with one of their boxes. Head over to butcherbox.com forward slash mind pump to get that hooked up.

Then we talked about Dana White getting COVID, Jake Paul versus Tyrone. Then we talk about old-school bodybuilding motivation, Viagra and its effect on Alzheimer's, physical therapy statistics, by the way, we work with a company that works with physical therapists. They actually come to your door to help you with your therapy. You don't have to go through your primary care physician, your insurance, we'll cover this. Go check them out. And if you're a physical therapist, you can moonlight with

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The next question. What are the most overrated supplements? The third question was, which grip is best and safest for deadlifts? And then the final question, how does lack of sleep affect performance in the gym? Also, all month long, we're running a 50% off sale on two of our most popular programs. Maps hit, which is high intensity interval training and maps split, which is an old school body part body split routine and advanced.

Both programs half off, go check them out, head over to maps fitness products.com and then use the code December 50. That's December 5, 0, no space for that discount. All right, here's some interesting facts around nutrition. Many of the negative effects that have been associated with sugar and even fat are really attributed to when you overeat them. In other words, when you look at a diet that is low in calories, even if it's high in sugar, high in certain types of fats, many of the negative effects are actually gone. So you might wonder, well, why then do we attack sugar and fat,

and why are they connected to poor health? Well, here's why sugar fat and salt salt is another one Together make food hyper palatable So if you observe populations that consume a lot of one of them or all of them what you're probably looking at are People that just over consume in general all right, so let's talk about this a little bit Talking about human behaviors again. That's it. Yeah, better hook I think would have been sugar

doesn't make you fat, fat doesn't make you fat. I think everybody knows that though, right? I mean, I think that's become, when we first started, I don't know, there's still lots of thoughts other that sugar is like the cause of all obesity. Yeah, you know what it, in this, okay, and this is what's interesting about, right? You can find studies that find that diets

that are higher sugar cause more problems, inflammation, higher rates of cancer, Alzheimer's. You can find studies that show this with certain types of fats as well. And then there've been studies where they have people eat a high sugar diet but the calories are low or a diet that's high in saturated fat, but the calories are low.

Or like keto diets when those first came out and became popular, people eat tons of fat sugar diet but the calories are low or a diet that's high in saturated fat but the calories are low. Keto diets, when those first came out and became popular, people were eating tons of fat in low calorie and you saw blood markers improve, health improve, and so everybody's kind of confused. Yet, we still see these studies that connect these macronutrients, especially salt also, that connect these macronutrients to poor health, but really it's about over consumption and sugar fat and salt, this is very well known, those three are the three main components

that make food hyper-palatable. And what we've done in modern times is we've really figured out how to engineer foods with those flavors through either real sources or chemical sources to make them so hyper-palatable that you overeat. And so what's interesting, sugar consumption is actually dropped over the last maybe decade or so and yet people are still getting moral beast. We're just eating too much. That's the big problem.

This is really difficult to curb cravings when you have all those flavors to consider. I mean there's still a lot of people out there that literally seek after foods based on their flavor alone. And that's really like the amount of thought and effort that put into a lot of the meals that are created, where when you add sugar to the mix, it really does sort of perpetuate this craving, this longing for more sweet things in the diet, which then the calories really start to add up before you know it and it gets away from you. So how do you feel about like health and wellness experts that demonize sugar when you see them post about it, what goes through your head right away?

Well, you have to know too that, and the context of overconsumption, which is pretty much everyone, I mean, on average, is overconsuming. That's the biggest point right there. Right, so do you think it's good or bad or in different advice when you see something like that? Well, two things. First, health and metabolism are way more complex than, you know, what I might have just

presented. There's a lot of complexities there, right? But the truth is, of course, like what I said earlier, overconsumption really is what results in a lot of complexities there, right? But the truth is, like what I said earlier, overconsumption really is what results in a lot of these negative effects. Now, I don't demonizing sugar, demonizing fat, demonizing salt, because a lot of it has to do with overconsumption.

I think people might get the wrong message. And so they say, oh, I got to avoid sugar, but then they'll continue to overconsume and then not understand why their health is poor. Now, I think if avoid sugar, but then they'll continue to over consume and then not understand why their health is poor. Now, I think if you educate people the right way and say, here's why sugar compose issues. Here's why certain fats compose issues. Here's why if you combine those things with salt, with salt, it composes issues.

It has a lot to do with how much it makes you want it. And you avoid other nutrient dense foods that maybe aren't as palatable, and that don't result in you overreading because you're going for these foods that are so damn enjoyable to eat. Well, I'm a little conflicted by it because it does immediately sort of address a lot of issues. Like in people's diets, if you start just focusing on removing sugar because of just what follows up with that. So to demonize it, it's kind of like, you know, that's not the whole story. But it does help at least address kind of like

one of the biggest invaders of bad habits that tends to kind of stack the dominoes in that direction. I'm with you Justin, I'm conflicted when I see something like this. Like, do we have our friend like Lane Norton who loves to like just destroy the wellness space that likes to do posts like this? But then I also know from experience,

like I'm sure both of you that if I add a client, there's been many times where all I did was, I don't worry about anything else. I just want you to reduce your sugar from this many grams, this many grams, right? So we, I have them track their food, I kind of see where they're at. And I see that they're, they're, they're grossly overconsuming in general, but primarily a majority of those calories are coming from sugar. And I also know the behaviors around sugar. And so I know instead of getting into all the nuance and science around what exactly is going on with their body inside

by them eating over calories or sugars, I can just go listen right now on average you're eating 90 to 110 grams of sugar a day. I want you to cut that below 50. So let's try and manage that below 50. Don't worry about anything else. We'll get there later on. And instantly I can see a huge difference many times just by doing that. So I feel torn when I see that advice coming because the truth is that advice probably helps a lot of people. But then I also understand where Lane is coming from because he's right in the context of low calorie. You could literally, you could eat 500,

if you're a maintenance calorie, you know the same. Yeah, someone was you at your essentials, right? Let's say, well, yeah,, if you're a maintenance calorie, you're the same. So long as you eat your essentials, right? Let's say, well, yeah, even if you weren't doing that, say somebody is, you know, 100 pounds overweight, their maintenance caloric intake, so for their body to stay the same is, say, let's just say 3000 calories, they technically could eat 2000 calories

of ice cream every day and live off it, and they would lose weight. Yeah. But you would see blood markers improve you. That's right. You would actually see all the health markers improve in that time period, but would you guys ever recommend somebody eating 2,000 calories of ice cream?

No, because you cannot remove how foods make you feel the kind of cravings that they produce. So yes, you would lose weight. Like there was this one scientist that in order to prove his point, I don't remember his name, but in order to prove his point, he went on a fast food process, food diet, but kept his calories low, made sure he ate his essentials. In other words, you still have to eat an essential amount of protein and fats of the

Y's your body can't function. And he did that. And just to prove to his students, look at my blood markers, look at my triglycerides, I lost weight, blah, blah, blah. But here's a deal. Can somebody, can most people do that and also feel good, stick to it, not feel like they have tons of crepe? No.

So you can't separate the behaviors and how you feel from the, I guess the physiological, what happens to my body effects from eating this way. So I think it's all important, but I do think it's important to understand, because here's what happened in the 80s. In the 80s, we were sold in the 90s even. We were sold that it was fat.

Fat is the problem. So what did food manufacturers do? Well, they cut fat out of their processed foods, but now the foods don't taste good. So what did they replace the fat with? Sugar. They added lots of, and then, I mean, I was a kid, there were aisles

of fat-free, low-fat foods, but in order to make them enjoyable to eat, they increased the sugar. Did obesity drop in the 80s and 90s? Did health improve in the 80s and 90s with the reduction of fat coming out of the food? No, it actually kept getting worse. Well, I have like two thoughts, and this is in the context of like keeping that amount of calories low and being in a deficit,

but still like including a lot of sugar in your diet. You know, I'd be curious to see if there's still this sort of degrading your teeth if there was like a rotting in your teeth and also too how that affects, you know, your insulin if you're just inundating it constantly, even with sugar, even if it's at a low calorie volume. Yeah, that's a good question. And like I was saying, it's more complex than what we're talking about. But if you look at the negatives of sugar that are connected to sugar, you do reduce, dramatically

reduce a lot of them just from cutting overall calories. And this is true for all the demonized stuff. The best studies that I can think of are these are the ones that show that, and these are the best studies that they've done because they're controlled, because a lot of these other studies are observational. For example, we notice that people that eat a lot of sugar are moral beasts, have higher rates of Alzheimer's, have higher rates of cancer. The problem with that is what I was saying earlier, which is they're probably seeking out

more hyper-palatable foods, and they're probably all over consuming as well. So is it the over consumption or is it the sugar? So the best studies that I've seen are the ones where they've taken people and they've actually in their crossover studies, meaning they'll take the groups, cross them over to see if the effects still exist. And they'll take these two groups of people

and they'll say, okay, you over here group A, you have unlimited access to whole natural foods and group B, you have unlimited access to whole natural foods. And group B, you have unlimited access to these heavily processed foods. And they'll even make sure that the macro breakdowns are extremely similar. So the foods all have a similar protein fat carbohydrate breakdown.

Then they'll, and then they'll observe them. So they're literally in a lab. They can't do anything else, and they're observed. So they count the calories, the scientists are watching. What are they eating? How much they're eating? It's up to them. They can eat as much as they want or as little as they want. Then they'll take the groups, and they'll observed. So they count the calories, the scientists are watching. What are they eating? How much they're eating? It's up to them. They can eat as much as they want or as little as they want. Then they'll take the groups and they'll switch them. Now they'll take B, put them in a group A's

room and take A and put them in a group B's room. So it's an excellent study. And they find on average, people consume 600 more calories a day when they have access to heavily processed foods. So you eat 600 calories more than you're eating or over your surplus. Now you're gonna store body fat and then you're gonna get a lot of the negative effects associated with that. And that's from heavily processed foods.

And remember, heavily processed foods are foods that food scientists have literally engineered to be as palatable as possible. So it's like comparing an apple versus like Apple flavored candy, right? It's grapes versus grape candy. I can eat so many apples, but I bet you I would overeat Apple flavored Applejacks or candy far more because they've added things to just really tip it over the scale of Hyper-palitability which causes you to overeat so we're looking at the wrong things

But that doesn't mean we still shouldn't look at those things so we should still look at Sugars some kind of fats and salt but not because each of them are evil But rather what's the relationship with those in overeating and then let's educate people on this and help them, you know, create behaviors around overconsuming. The truth is that people don't necessarily want, I mean, they may say they want to be educated, but nobody wants to go through the effort of learning, you know, it's like they want it, they want the quick, just tell me. Yeah, can I have sugar or can I have for now? I'll follow it. Yes or no, it's just, they want the 15 second clip. Yeah, the trick is to figure out what's the easier answer.

It's obviously going to be very complex. In my experience, the best results I ever got were people where I just simply told them to try to avoid heavily processed foods and then go ahead and eat normally. And that would typically result in, now you're not gonna get shredded doing that, then when you start to get shredded, you have to count calories and all that stuff.

But people would get to a relatively normal body weight if they followed that advice. That was the easiest one for me. I don't know, what about you guys, you guys think? Yeah, no, I did the same thing, but even the sugar one that I said, I had a lot of success with that. I had a lot of clients that ate well over 80, 90 plus grams

of sugar and not coming mostly from fruit, mostly coming from processed foods and just giving them a number that I wanted them to manage under. And I knew that that would indirectly affect calories, just like the stain away from the processed foods does the same thing. It's not, we're not telling them to count calories

or reduce their calories, but we know inevitably what ends up happening because we know the behaviors around those the same thing. We're not telling them to count calories or reduce their calories, but we know inevitably what ends up happening because we know the behaviors around those types of foods. I had a lot of success with just limiting people from eating that much. Yeah, and just adding more fibrous type foods and green leafy type vegetables in there, just adding that in and then starts to turn and change the palate a bit. Well, that's what naturally happens. And protein. Yeah, and then it just, it follows suit to that.

And then just trying your best not to drink calories because it happens like a lot of my clients didn't realize how many calories they were consuming so quickly just by drinking that. Hundreds, hundreds, sometimes thousands. Yeah, that was like a thousand calories of soda. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I still, I mean, we just, so in the, let's see here, what do we, December something, right? So we're in the first week or so of December.

And I, every, I don't think I've made, I don't think I've made three days in a row since Halloween that I haven't had some sort of candy, pie, cake, ice cream, something, and since it's been introduced, before Halloween, I couldn't tell you the last time that I had any of those things, since Halloween, those things have made their way into my diet.

So often that I don't think I've strung even three days of one of those not being in a diet. And I know that it's available now, it's in my house. I know that I've opened up, I broke the seal, you know what I'm saying? I've had it now, and now I, at night, I find myself craving that. It creates a feeling that is hard to resist.

The best example I can think for myself is this, right? If you put a bowl of plain peeled, boiled potatoes in front of me, I am not going to overeat them. But if you slice them, fry them, cover them and salt, by the way, adding calories, so you're making them more colorically dense, I'll overeat the hell out of them because it does something to my brain that makes me want to eat, eating past the point of being uncomfortable.

This is also, by the way, why artificial sweeteners have not done anything to solve the obesity epidemic. You know, artificial sweeteners have not done anything to solve the obesity epidemic. Artificial sweeteners are sweet, but they don't have calories. There are no studies that are not- Outrageously. There are no- So studies will have people live their daily lives, replace sugar with artificial sweeteners,

and nobody loses weight. It's not because they didn't reduce calories. You can very easily reduce calories to artificial sweeteners, but the problem was they would reduce the calories by having these artificial sweeteners, but then because they're so palatable and because they're not coming with calories, your body actually makes you want more food, they eat more.

So they make up the difference, even though they've cut out the sugar from their sodas. This is why it's a terrible, for most, unless you're controlling and counting every macronutrient, which nobody does, it doesn't result in weight loss for anybody. Now, do you think the cravings, the overeating, would you attribute that to chemically what's happening inside of my body more, or that it's attached to some old behavior more? Which one do you, because I look at like Katrina, She doesn't have the same problem. Yeah, she can literally we can have

Candy bar in the freezer or something and she can break a piece off of it for the next six months Like that just that would never happen It was especially one that I like or maybe she maybe it was what if one I don't like I would even do that But if it was something that I don't enjoy. Yeah, I'm not really into that maybe but if it's something that I like I love it She's same thing with like a little pint of ice cream, she could get it out, she could take two or three bites, put it back, I think we'll last a whole damn year in there.

If it's in my, if I open it, it's gone, it's done. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I think it's both, I think it's all the above. It's so complex. And here's the problem. The problem is in all of human history, we've never been presented with this problem, where we have all the food, all the potential flavor combinations, all available, all cheap and

all fast. 24 hours. So, so here's the problem. We are now in a position where, and dare I say, the solution is like, you almost have to go on a spiritual journey, literally, to create this different relationship to food. In the past, he didn't. There was an issue, because I could, I could want to eat all the food I want,

just don't have it. So the issue is I gotta find it. Now it's everywhere, it's cheap, doesn't matter. Nobody starves in Western civilizations, modern ones at least, obesity kills way more people. So now it's almost like I have to develop this relationship with food where it's like abstinence, discipline, valuing food for lots of its different, developing balance. And you never had to do that before. So I think it's both Adam. I think it's the behaviors,

how you connect to food when I'm stressed, when I was a kid, I would eat food, now when I'm stressed as an adult, this is my coping mechanism, or it helps me forget things, or when I'm sad, or every time I watch a movie, this is how I, the types of foods I like to eat, or this is how I connect with people, or I never learned to enjoy food for its other values aside from its palatability. Like, it's a completely different problem,

and it's very difficult. So I, 100% believe or know that it's both. The question I think I have is which one is more powerful because back to my point with like Katrina, is like it doesn't seem to affect her the same way. Now I've tied mine back to my childhood. I've told you guys this before that, you know, there's four,

there's always four to five of us kids in the house at all times. We didn't have a lot of stuff as far as like we didn't get tons of treats, so it was a big deal if mom came home with a court of ice cream. It would be a big deal if we had one thing of Oreos and you got five kids and two adults. And you're all fighting for it. Yeah, we're all fighting for it. And so, you know, I knew that if I went to get it, I would overconsume it because I knew that it was probably the only time I'd for it. And so, you know, I knew that if I went to get it, I would overconsume

it because I knew that it was probably the only time I'd get it. Like one thing of Oreos, you got seven people eating out of it. So you learned a binge? Yeah, I knew that I couldn't just have two and then come back three days later because three days later it would be gone for sure. So when I went in to get it, I got to get the serving size that I want because I don't know. And so it created these habits and behaviors. Now, what I don't know is, did those habits these habits and behaviors. Now what I don't know is did those habits behaviors also do something chemically inside me that made me even more attracted

or addicted to the foods? Which one should you focus on? I think would be the way to ask your question and I think it's behaviors all the way. I think the physiology, your physiology also affects your behaviors but your behaviors really affect your physiology and your behaviors are the relationship you have with your physiology. So let's say you're somebody that, you know, let's say you're one of those people that says,

oh, my blood sugar drops. And I don't, you know, I start, I need to eat sugar. I've got, by the way, this is not true for most people. Most people who say this, this isn't true. It was very few people that actually happens to, but let's say this is you and you think, if I don't eat, oh my God, I need to eat some sugar, your relationship with that might be to eat some fruit or it might be, I eat some candy or overeat, right? So I think it's the behaviors that if you had to focus on anything, it would be that. I think that's the biggest, in my experience, at least, that's where I've had the most success. Well, it's the most controllable, right? Once it's ingested, I can't do anything about what's happening inside of me chemically. It is what it is. And also, I can make the decision whether I put it in my house or if I do have more than

one bite. And so, you know, I actually would do things where I've tested that. And there's times, like, if I go to the store and I go, hey, I'm going to intentionally buy this treat that I normally would. And then I'm also going to make sure that I don't eat more than one or two at a time. I've been able to do it, but it just takes so much effort. If it's like, what's happened to me right now is all these treats have landed in my house

without really me actively making that decision. Like if I go grocery shopping, and I go, you know what, it's been a long time since I've had some ice cream. I'm gonna get myself one little pint, and when I get it, I'm just gonna, you know, I'll wait till a really hard workout day before I have it, or I'll just chip away at it slowly. If I do that with that intention, I'll wait till a really hard workout day before I have it or I'll just, I'll chip away at it slowly.

If I do that with that intention, I have better success with it. But if it ends up like what's happened right now where it's like, here, take this extra red velvet cake. Oh, here's this pie and I open the fridge and I don't even know how it got there. And then my stomach's already craving something. That's why I opened it. Look for it. Boy, is it, it's hard for me and I'm aware of that. So I can't imagine how many people that are not that self-aware on how easily the sneak supple. My favorite tip for that,

because you just said it right there, you're aware. You're aware enough to know what you need to do for yourself and what's gonna be the challenge. That's the key. I think the key is to become aware. And then if you are aware that you have a challenge with a particular food or type of food, what I would always recommend, and this was very effective,

and I do this for myself even, is you just create a barrier between yourself and the impulse, because it's the, an impulse is literally acting without thinking, right, or acting in a less aware state of mind. That's what makes it an impulse. So what you do is you make a barrier. So what I would do with myself,

and again, I would recommend clients do this as well and it works so well, as I'd say, okay, Mrs. Johnson, if you have chocolate in the house, you know what a struggle it is. It's hard for you to just have one piece, you end up eating the whole box. Here's what I want you to do. I don't want you to never eat chocolate again

or tell you stuff you can't eat chocolate because that typically results in some kind of a rebound where when you are exposed and you go crazy. So what I would tell her is I'd say you can have chocolate but you have to drive to the grocery store and you can only buy yourself a single serving. So you can eat it. If you really want it, you got to get in the car, drive to

the grocery store and then buy a single serving. Now what does that do? What it does is it creates space between you and the impulse, which allows for, it doesn't guarantee, but it allows for awareness to step in. So now, as I'm putting my shoes on, I'm getting in the car, now I'm thinking, like, do I really want this?

You know, I probably don't. Like, why am I doing this? I'm grabbing whatever, you know, what, or sometimes you get it. But oftentimes that awareness, that space allows awareness to jump in and then it stops the impulse. So that's a strategy that I would use all the time.

I use that for myself. So like potato chips. They don't, they don't ever in my house. But does that mean I won't need them? No. If I really want them, I drive the store and I grab myself. If I eat too much chocolate, I just like make myself wear a chocolate moustache for a few days.

What? Let's make sure, sure you know like everybody knows Hey, how about food and dry places? I was you know, we were on Instacart yesterday yesterday or day before yesterday And I saw butcher box on there. How you guys know that? So I don't even know like literally I just saw this yesterday day before and I sent them an email out to butcher box to find out more details about this, but I'm assuming they have like an all-acart option that you can go through them. I don't know how this works. Well, I know that they're connected to local, like, farms and butchers. Are they? Well, yeah, so I'm pretty sure. So I think depending on

the area that you order your food, they're connected to local people with grass- Do you know this dog? If I'm not mistaken, I'm looking at it right now though. Yes, even if you can do a little bit of work. You know, butcherbox is crushing right now. Are they? Because of the price.

Yes, you look it right there. There you go, look at that. They're living able to keep their pricing pretty consistent. Well, yeah, because all, you know, prices are getting so inflated, especially meats like pork, and butcher box, if you sign up for them, right, you pay your flat rate for your box, and it's stayed the same.

They've kept all the prices pretty damn good, and I think it's because they have less, they have less middlemen, right? So they don't have to, if one raises their price, it doesn't affect them because they have less steps in between. You know, this is really interesting to me because I mean, as of right now, there are a, you know, subscription based model, you know, is that not subscription then? No, I don't think so. That's one time, right, Doug? Yeah, it looks like a one time purchase. What

I cool, I'm guessing that I don't know this for sure. It really depends on your location too. Of course. Where their supply is coming from. So, you know, for sure. It really depends on your location too, where their supply is coming from. So, for example, in the Bay Area, for example, it's a bigger population, maybe it's available there, but maybe not way out. I mean, I wonder if this is a way for them to sort of fish out there and be like, hey, try our meat and then.

That's what the show means. It'll bring you back to the point. Exactly what I thought of. But obviously, business-wise, it wouldn't be ideal for us. They're not going through mind-pump or anything like that. So it's not like we're getting credit for the people. You're not gonna get the free. We're not free-baking for what.

Yeah, so I'm sure it's not as good a deal as their membership. But what a great way for somebody who's been like listening to the show going like, I've been thinking about it. I don't know if I'm gonna like it or what that that you can do in all the cart version of it try it out Make sure it's something that you like before you sign up for their subscription. Oh my God speaking of health One of the best holed most hilarious videos I've ever seen in my entire life. I saw Recently Dana White

I saw his inner best conference Dr. Joe Rogan. You got COVID and he is why, okay, here's what I love. So what is wife is kids, they all got. Here's what I love about people like Dana White, okay. I don't know the guy, so I don't know if he's a good guy or not, but here's what I love about him. He literally will say whatever, it doesn't care. What's on top of it.

No filter, yeah. And he's obviously messing with people, but he's like, yeah, I called up Rogan, went on his protocol, and I feel like a champion three days later I talk. No, he really said Dr. Rogan's what he said. You know, you know, that is of course that triggered so many people for sure. Oh my god. That because it was because it was Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers called them because what he did is he got people to do like a bunch of vitamin and nutrient drips. I've remected him which focused on, but it was human grade prescribed to them. And then the monoclonal antibodies, which have the research, right?

The monoclonal antibodies have all the research showing how effective they are. But the fact that they're doing this, and what makes me laugh, is remember when CNN went after Rogan, kept saying he took a horse, de-wormer, and even after he's like, listen, my doctor prescribed it, it's human grade. It's been prescribed to billions of people, like stop calling it that. They kept doubling down. He's just keep pushing that button.

And he's just going after CNN, and now to have people like, they must be like, oh yeah, they're heading for spinning. Oh, they probably had in their boardroom, you know? All right, how can we take down Joe, you can't. His audience is 10 times bigger than yours. Well, speaking of the fight game, you guys see what is going on with Jake Paul.

So Jake Paul had finally got Tyson Fury, right? So he got the, yeah, he got the one of the Fury brothers who is like, is Tyson, is the, I always forget which brother is which, right? Which one's the, pull up the Fury brothers and remind me which one's the, I think he is his other yes So Tyson furies brothers younger brother. Yeah. Yeah, it's as young as younger brother, right?

The one that's not obviously not as good of a fighter as he is he was supposed to fight I think on December 18th against Jake and I guess you backed out something. I don't I don't know what health issues What it was but I mean Jake Paul of course did a video so that talking shit like it was you but I mean, Jake Paul, of course, did a video, so with that talking shit, like it was, you know, scared as well. I knocked out of that. But would Lee stepped up to take it out. Tommy, that's what it is. Yeah, Tommy. You know what I've been reading?

I've been reading that, there's like theories, and somebody came out and said that the rumor, or whatever that, he, Paul is having these fighters sign contracts saying that they will back down if they start to like hurt him or knock him out. What? Yes. So somebody, okay, so what was the last fight he did? Remember the guy hit him?

Woodley. Against the ropes, but then he came back. Somebody came out and said, oh, he made him sign a contract saying that he, because if you watch it, it looks like Woodley loses the killer instinct. That's not true. But he has to think bullshit.

Why not? These are sanctioned fights, but they're not under the same rules as the rest of the party. Yeah, but how do you even leave? So you're saying that. So who knows what exactly putting here? Jake Paul had him right in the contract that if I'm about to get hurt, you back off. Yes. So in other words, let's say you and I are about to fight and you're a profiter. And you know, if you fight me, I'm gonna guarantee you're gonna make five million because that's these guys are making big money. And he says, but, and here's an NDA,

you can't let anybody know this, we'll sue this shit out of you. And in there, it says that you will, if you, you'll, you'll, you'll spar with me and you'll notice, if you start to hurt me, you'll back down, the idea is to make it an exciting fight. So the reason why I don't believe that is because he just came out and said that in the contract

he's giving a woodley a half a million dollars if he could knock him out So how do you do both those? How do you say if I'm if I'm about to hurt because you can tell Oblicity yet you can talk about the part of the contract you want people to know but not the other part Right. You don't know if he's gonna make more that makes him look good. That doesn't make sense So okay, you can you can knock me out, but you can't hurt me. No, no, maybe he's telling everybody in the contract, he'll get 500 grand advertising advertising, the hype to fight. But what he's not saying is, well, he's going to make more money if he doesn't. We don't know that. And by the way, it's not the first time fight,

fight, the fight sport has been marred by this kind of shit. Let's be honest, it's the most. Yeah, dude, it's, it's been more of a boxing. Yeah, I don I don't think you guys be watching too much of your conspiracy theory stuff. That's why I think. Listen, my conspiracies are all around. Because I mean, the actual, okay. Okay.

Hey, these days, the conspiracy theorists are freaking. They're killing the world. They're all right. Do you see that meme? What is a conspiracy? What is it? It was like a brain. What is a conspiracy theory look like right now?

And it was just like a brain that's all. It's just like a normal operating brain. Yeah, I just think that's look like right now, and it was just like a brain. It's like a normal operating brain. I just think that's just ridiculous on how, because you know, I think it's a contract. So you're saying that okay, he could potentially lose it if they heard him or went after him. So how do they decide whether that was too much or not?

Like who says what he did last time to him wasn't too much? Like you know what I'm saying? What would nullify the contract? I had no idea. Yeah. This was a rumor, but here's my point with it. My point with it is it is entirely plausible.

Because if you and I signed a contract and before we signed the contract, you can't disclose this to anybody where I'll sue the shatter you. And you're gonna make a ton of money while we're doing this and it's fun, it's exhibition who cares. I could see some people being like, okay, I'll go in. Now, here's where the issue, here's where I'm on your side, Adam,

does a fighter's pride matter more to them? Like, if I was a pro fighter fighting some YouTube person, I'd be like, I don't give a shit, how much money you offer me? I'm not gonna let you beat me, but then again, fighters have done it in the past and it's been proven. Well, yeah, and so far right now, he's fighting people who are, you know, they're already locked. And you said, okay, so you're the one that watched the Woodley fight last time. I watched both of his fights the last two. Yeah. Now,

how do you think you would fare the second time around now that Woodley sort of has a good feel for him? So again, he's gonna get my money. I'm gonna, because I think Woodley almost had him. I thought, I thought Woodley, uh... Didn't he look like he, he like kind of laid off? Well, he hadn't think so. I don't think so. Yeah, I watched the fight. I didn't feel like with, I think, I think they're, the first couple rounds I thought that Woodley really like was kind of playing cat and mouse a little bit, maybe feeling them out was, was being timid. And then as the rounds went on,

I think would we started to build confidence? And then it got really scary, I thought for a little bit there for Jake, but then there was never a part in it where I thought somebody was throwing a fight or doing anything like that. I didn't, and I thought would we almost had him? So the second go around, it'll be interesting.

It'll be interesting if Woodley was truly training this entire time because he's taking this fight on a short notice Yeah, it was it's December 18th and it was supposed to be because I mean I've heard so many different People he's been trying to get into the ring with him and I heard like Mike Tyson was one Yeah, I was trying to entertain to bring in and Tyson was all about it And then I didn't hear much maybe Maybe he got cold feet about that idea. Yeah, that would be interesting to me. Two things. First, Tyson's a monster, but he's also old. He's old, but he's still a killer.

Oh, he's still a killer, but man, if I saw Tyson get knocked out by a younger, you know, even if it was Jake Paul, that would break my heart. It would. Yeah, I would hate that. I would devastate. It's Tyson. I mean, I want to see that. Yeah. But by the way, every once in a while, I'll go on YouTube

and find old videos of Tyson when he was 17, 18. Have you ever seen him when he was a kid? Yeah. He's a diesel dude. He's a child. He's a year older than my son. And you watch these videos have him fighting, terrifying. Yeah. It's absolutely terrifying.

What I could speaking of old videos, you know what I did also this weekend is I looked up old workout and bodybuilding motivational videos from the 80s and the 70s. Especially the 70s. You know what's so cool about that era when you when these guys people were working out there was first first off, they were barefoot, shirts off, whatever. There's no music playing. They would go into the gym, and that, imagine this, you're working out in a gym, there's no music all you hear. It's grunting, clanging, counting. You know what I mean? Like, it's a serious work

environment, if you think about it. I mean, how kind of, you got to think it, right? I bet I wonder who introduced music playing over the loudspeaker like commercial, like what was the first commercial gym to do that? I'm sure most gyms looked like the Venice Beach gym where they were kind of grungy and there was no music and there were maybe 20 people in there at most. I wonder who was the first to kind of introduce

this kind of commercial style. Well, in the 80s is when that started happening I wonder who was the first to kind of introduce like this kind of commercial style. Oh, fitness or not a list. Well, so in the 80s is when that started happening, a little bit, for my understanding, I may be wrong, but I know that bodybuilders would bring boombox to the gym, sometimes, and listen to music and do their thing, and that kind of started, but back in the day, there was nothing.

You're just working out, you're going to work. I was watching some old videos, and what I like to do is place myself in there. And I'm like, man, what would say there's no, there's nothing. You're just working out, you're going to work. I was watching some old videos, and what I like to do is place myself in there. And I'm like, man, what would that be like to walk into a gym? It's awkward, dude. And I don't know, man, I think I'd be hyped as hell

to work out in a modern way. I'm hearing people breathing and clanging and grunting. I don't know, dude, I'd be like, where am I? Am I in a bathhouse? What? What's happening in here? Justin's like, I'm getting weird feeling. Yeah, I was like, yeah. I can't mind the right here? Yeah. Justin's like, I'm getting weird feelings.

Yeah, I was like, yeah. I can't mind the right place. Hey, speaking of health and stuff like that, so the study came out on Viagra, which is a very fascinating. It's a very fascinating. Yeah. They connected Viagra to a massive reduction in Alzheimer's. Really?

Yes. Now, here's the funny thing. What? Let's see if you guys get in. I have some other connections. No, and now here's the funny thing. Let's see if you guys get it. I have some other connections. No, and now here's the funny thing. The study literally says Viagra connected to a 69% reduction in Alzheimer's on like 69%. Is this a joke? No, but really the study showed that there was a huge reduction in Alzheimer's.

They think it has to do with how it improves blood flow. It's also been connected to reductions in stroke. Is it that or is it that people who use a vagra having more sex? That's what I was going to say. I wonder if you could connect something to just having more sex to that. Or more quality of life.

Yeah, if you're somebody who was either never having sex or rarely having sex in your 60s, then all of a sudden you're having sex frequently, I'm sure there's some health benefits to that. I would agree. Regardless of Viagra is assisting you to have that sex or not, I would think that the sex would have some positive benefits to you health.

Now I would agree, but I also remember reading a study that showed that the Viagra use was connected to an increase in divorce among older couples. Oh yeah. So like men and women in their 60s and 70s, once they're married after 20, 30 years, the divorce rate goes way down. They usually don't divorce.

Kill a little more promiscuous at the retirement. Yeah, I read this article that said that, like all of a sudden, you know, the wives are like, cool, my husband's not coming after me anymore. Yeah. It's all good, we're just gonna hang out. And then all of a sudden, he's like, hey babe, you know.

It's okay. I'm back. It's just outside of the rocking chair. Yeah. It just feels some state. It's just like, oh hell no, you're not. So I don't know, I will say this. I'm gonna make this prediction right now.

Just from everything I'm reading on these PDE5 inhibitors, I think that these are gonna be some of the most widely prescribed drugs in the future. Not just for erectile dysfunction, but for health, for strokes, for heart, health, and all that stuff, just from what I'm reading, it's really interesting. That biagra will be PD5 inhibitors, maybe viagra could be the other ones, but that class of drugs, they're connecting to all these improvements in health,

which I think is really interesting. That is interesting. Yeah, very fascinating. What was the company that we talked about for a little bit? We had them, they paid for a couple commercials with this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no that we talked about for a little bit? We had them, they paid for a couple commercials with this. No, no, no, no. We glued you.

Blew true. They're exploding right now too. I hear them on the radio all the time. They're all over the place. Yep, yep. And they're making it easier and easier to get, right? So it used to be really hard to get a hold of stuff like that. That's what I'm saying.

I think it's, it's, they're gonna start to prescribe it more and more because of these. There was even, I mean, one of the articles I read about strokes was this researcher said, yeah, we think that this drug is going to be widely prescribed just to prevent strokes and people. And then I read another article in relation to COVID. Increased strokes. That they were saying, more strokes, less strokes.

They were saying that this could be a potential, they were investigating it as a potential treatment for COVID to prevent some of the vascular damage that COVID can cause and a lot of people. Now again, speaking of health, I got some stats on physical therapy, the physical therapy industry. Somebody sent me this morning. Really fascinating, trip off this, right?

Did you guys know the physical therapy industry in the US right now is worth $33 billion? Just physical therapy. Just physical therapy. It's projected to grow 18% by the year 2029. So however big it is now, we're looking at consistent growth year over year. Check this out. Physical therapy can lower patient treatment costs by 72%. What? can lower patient treatment costs by 72%. What?

Yes, so insurance, this is like Luna, for example, is even exists and why insurance companies love them because if you're an insurance company, you want to lower your cost. Physical therapy reduces the costs of other treatments by 72%. Now, what do you think, what's the, why the growth? Why, why the huge jump? Do you think what's the why the growth why why the huge jump?

Do you think it's just because of the age of maybe boomers finally kind of coming to that that population needing that would be my guess That's part of it I think the other part of it is the Understanding and acceptance that movement and correctional exercise can solve a lot of pain and a lot of issues Whereas before it might have been like surgery, pain killers. Don't do that movement anymore. Now we're, preventative health measures.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, keeping the body functioning, moving, you know, keeps you healthy and out out of the doctors. Yeah. Speaking of Luna, by the way, did you know they have a, like a calculator on there for practitioners? No. So, okay, so, so for people to tell them how much they make if they want to oh yeah yeah like. Yes so for people that know right. I did see that. Loona's a company that is connecting people to physical therapists. They come right to your house. You don't have to go

to a clinic or anything like that. Your insurance covers it. You don't have to go through your primary care physician and the therapist make more money. There's less people. It's like a total and the therapist make more money, there's less paper. It's like a total industry- disrupting technology and company. But what they're looking at, they're in constant need of more physical therapists, they have a calculator on there for a PT who can figure out how much they can make

through either moon lighting with Luna or going full time. Doug, I know you have it up. Is there any other information that I'm trying to ask? Yeah, just go to thegetluna.com and then at the top of the page there, there's a link for therapists, click on that and then there's a little box that you click on that calculates how much you can earn.

Yeah, well, with all the companies that were invested and it's the one that I think unanimously that we all agree has the most potential. Oh, I mean, rarely do you see something that disrupts the space this much where like everybody wins, right? Normally like a new business comes in a town like this and it there's somebody might be making out or one or two parties But it's like yeah patient physical therapists insurance companies. Yeah, how on that? It's better for all three of them and if there's a situation where all because you think like if it wasn't better for insurance Companies, they're gonna be they're gonna put a halt on that. That's not gonna happen, right? Or if it's not very good for the doctors and stuff, they're gonna put a halt on this,

they're gonna, they're not gonna do it. But when it benefits everybody and everybody wins, that's why it was like a no-brainer. Yeah, it was an interesting, I mean, I did kind of have a bit of a theory with the lockdowns and everything coming back into plain, like really strenuous sports and athletes. I've noticed quite an uptick in injuries.

Oh, because they took time off. Yeah, from all the time off, and people not properly, you know, keeping their body, you know, their joints and everything else, like healthy and... The NFL speculated on that. Yeah. Could they really? Yeah, yeah, because of this, the season was off. They also speculated that with the NBA, because they had that short season, then ran

back another season without the normal off time that they would, that there was this uptick and injuries and stuff because of that. So a lot of players were not practicing as much as they were and then they ran too because the season got cut short because of the beginning of COVID and then it got pushed back a little bit which made it closer to the new season that was coming around and because that shortened up

their training window to prepare for the season, didn't get as strong or yeah, as protective as they should have been. Well, so I think my personal opinion is that estimate of how much it's gonna grow by 2029? I think it's way low because there's two markets that I see that are gonna explode with for physical therapy. One is the younger market because kids are so less active,

they're not playing outside like they used to. You're seeing kids now with back pain, and neck pain, and shoulder pain, and carpal tunnel, which you never saw in children before. And then the second market that I think would benefit tremendously from physical therapy are expecting mothers, or people who want to have children and then have children and then post pregnancy,

postpartum. Like, it is not standard of care. If you're somebody that has a baby, it is not standard of care for them to say, you just had your baby, you need to go through six weeks of physical therapy. I mean, they'll give it to you if you're like, oh, I have some issues with my...

Yeah, that is crazy. They don't prescribe. No, and it should be. Yeah. I can't think of a more like valuable thing to work on pelvic floor. Or traumatic experience for the body. Yeah, core control. And, you know, there's all kinds of hip pain

and pelvic floor, especially pelvic floor issues that women will get after having a baby, or C section, right? What that does to the core, and that. I can't connect to it, but they don't know, like a lot of people don't know what's going on. I think it should be standard of care. I think after you have a baby,

it should be like traditional standard of care that you go when you're ready, you go get physical therapy for six weeks. And I think it would make such a tremendous impact, and I feel like that market's about to explode. I mean, it's not about it bad. I mean, it needed to be more accessible like this. Exactly.

I mean, before the point. That's the point. But with this, there's a huge potential. Yeah, you're a new mom. You're not going to go drive to a clinic, you know, when you're at, say, for six weeks postpartum. You're not going to do that. But if they come to your house, then yeah, absolutely.

I would do something like that. So I'm about more crazy stuff and also humbling. Seeing the people share the Spotify wrap-ups this year was crazy awesome Yeah, so do we see someone that listened to like 58,000 said there was that was the winner the winner was 58,000 something minutes Which I don't know how many episodes that that made crazy that like Apple doesn't put that kind of effort into podcast. Like Spotify does really cool things like that to help kind of promote everybody and show them. That's cause their whole business model is built around driving more subscribers

and more listeners were Apple, it's the podcasting space is like a total afterthought. They make so much more money everywhere else with phones and computers and all the other stuff that the whole podcasting feature is such an afterthought where Spotify, their whole models around digital streaming. So speaking of it, I could buy Spotify later. Yeah, right.

I mean, they could, right? No, totally. Speaking of that, so check this out. So part of why, you know, do you know why Spotify does that wrap up like at the end of the year over here? Is it because they know people will share? Yeah. I guess what it does to the numbers.

It must crush. 21% increase in download traffic for them. Wow. Just because people are sharing it. Which Doug and I were talking before, because I shared this with Doug before we got on air. I actually think, Sal, that has a big reason why we had this record week we just had.

So we had a record week in downloads for us. It's because we just had all those that we just shared. And if Spotify sees a 21% increase in their downloads, and we have, we probably had a hundred people share their rap ups and mind pump was their number one, and they'd listen to tens of thousands of minutes of mind pump. And every, I think all the people that are seeing that in everybody's stories, I bet that actually had an impact on us, you know what, that's an interesting theory. You know what, to the point of like Apple acquiring Spotify,

I don't think they would. And the reason being is what happened with them with Beats by Dre. And the literally reason why they even bought into it wasn't because of the headphones, it was because of the streaming side of it that they were developing. And they tried to do that.

Yeah, I don't think Apple would do that. And so it's, but they already, I mean, Apple streaming is not a thing. I mean, unless somebody like out there like argues it and knows a bunch of people that use that feature, I don't. No, very few people. I know a couple of people that do,

but it's very limited in comparison to like Spotify. I mean, even like I heart radio is making our world or like that. I mean, if you, the future of podcast, obviously, it's huge. It's the way people are going to be consuming most of their talk media, which is a huge market to begin with. It's still, by the way, more people listen to talk radio

through the radio than through podcasting, but it's changing very rapidly. You have to have analytics. You have to provide people with analytics and metrics. Spotify does that. Apple does not. And if you're building a podcast and you're a host and you have a show, you want analytics.

So I don't know how long Apple is gonna get away with that. Right now it's still on the dumb. Yeah, I know. It's a mystery to me. So what you guys think it's smart? Do you think it's dumb? What do you think? What you're Spotify? No, no, no, what Apple is doing.

By not doing it, by not doing it, by not doing anything and waiting for the markets to really. Yeah, what you thought. You know, it's funny, is I think it's dumb, but I, it's for to prove itself. And in terms of all the money they make from the other stuff that they do, it's probably not, right?

They're probably looking at everything as well. Well, why is money here? My thought is like, they're head so far in the clouds with trying to create a car and do all this other shit that like nobody needs, you know, where this is something that's like right in front of me. I think they just are neglecting it. I mean, what's a Doug, look up the estimated revenue

from podcasts right now. I think it's smart. And I think it's, I think it's peanut's competitive. I think it's no different than the thing that we've experienced in our small little bubble in our world of scaling a company to the size that we have right now.

And what do we say is one of the biggest challenges is saying no. Is there's opportunities to do so many different things and it really easily you can get distracted by going left and right, then back this way and that way, where... Yeah, okay. All of podcasts advertising. Nothing. $880. Not even a billion dollars.

Not even a billion. That's like peanuts to apples. That's right. So my theory is it's really smart because they're going to go ahead and let all these guys fight over it. Find the top dog or versus engineer it or steal it. That's right. That's right. Now I think at some point, it's going to be something they're going to want to look at. Yeah. But right now,

maybe I bet. So you talked about this also, Sally, the day off air. We're talking about one of the things that you wanted to do and we all agreed is, you you know because we are getting our hands And so many different things that we should sit down have a meeting and come up with rules What are gonna be our rules on do we invest in this company? That way we don't like get distracted every time something falls Get excited right so we are it doesn't check all the boxes move along. Just keep on right I mean don't you think a company like Apple has the same thing too

We don't even fuck with anything until becomes has the same thing too? Of course. We don't even fuck with anything until it becomes billion. Unless it's a billion dollar space that we can come in and disrupt, I don't care how cool it is, how fast it's growing, how neat it is. If it's not even a billion dollars, we're not gonna waste our time.

I think so. Going over there. That would be my guess. So we saw Netflix just finally get to that billion market and they're like, oh shit. Okay, now we have the create this whole streaming service and then they did it. Yeah, it's like they'll let other people prove the market variability and then they'll jump in with all their cash

and their power. And then they'll do so. Speaking of cool technology, I have to show you guys this because I think it's, Doug, I just texted it to the group if you could pull this up. There's a, they're gonna build or there's a concept that they're thinking about building. It's the first kinetic energy

Launch machine that will be launching things into space stop it. That's kinetic energy You know what that means? Yeah, but how they how they build that? They're gonna throw something into space. There's no Okay, why isn't it just like you're coiling something? No, no watch watch this video Doug starting the beginning So that thing right there spins so fast Watch this video, Doug, starting the beginning. So that thing right there spins so fast. And then what it does is at the right moment, it launches the rocket.

Look at this. Who signs up to do that? Look at this. No, it's not people. It's gonna be launching satellites. Oh, okay. And then the boosters don't kick in until it gets into low orbit.

In which case, you need way less. So that's gonna take less energy to create force yeah, yeah, the kinetic energy like like like cylinder. Yeah, because one of the problems of launching shit is you know much like gas yeah, resources that take you to get it off the ground so many so much energy is required to launch a rocket into space not to mention that's probably the highest risk part of launch. We can't you can't put astronauts in there though. No, no, no, no. They're brains explode. You imagine that. But I mean, how cool? It's like T comes from hell. But how cool? Does it say how much G4 it creates? It's got to be something. No, it doesn't say. Oh my god. It's like insane. But

it would it does it literally it's it's been so fast so launch is it into low orbit and then once it hits low orbit It it'll then it'll turn on its boots. So who's it? Who's a company who's doing this? It says genius, but who owns this company? I have no idea. I thought it was just so cool. I was watching this and I was like Yeah, where did it where did you see this? I was it just showed up. Oh my god Look at that. Yeah, you ain't put a person in that No, no, and then look with high precision look at look at this example, though, that's so sick. And it literally just, shoo.

And it's in it, oh, so it's in a vacuum. So it's in a vacuum. Oh yeah, yeah. And it only, oh no friction. No friction. No friction just straight out. It's just throwing a rocket to space. That's like a Superman movie,

don't you throw shit in space? Yeah, no, that's wild. How random that is. I mean, that would be a great one for this whole like hysteria over trying to deal with meteors and things coming. Yeah, so they're already, I know like Elon Musk and people are already trying to address this. So I'm so two things.

One, it's a 10 times reduction in cost. That's what they estimate. Number two, number two, remember NASA during the space race, they made it look like, no, we're gonna eat to the moon first, but reality is what they wanna do show the Soviets that we can look, we have the technology to put a man on the moon. Yeah.

This could be a very cheap way to do it intercontinental. You call this the David, like David Goliath, this is the school like this. Oh wow, that's a great name. This is the opportunity. So this would be a great way to be like, we have intercontinental ballistic missiles

that we could launch for hell of cheap, and then we'll throw it at you. Now is this all? Is this all theoretical right now or is it like is it really possible that it can do this or I mean have they proven they can do this or is this just like a concept? I think right now this is a concept and they're like oh the physics you know totaly you know workout so I don't know you would ever have thought I mean I would never thought that would be a way to launch a freaking missile into space. Why don't we just throw it? Yes, throw it, yes.

We're way overthinking this, you know? But I mean, how awesome is that? That's cool, man. Yeah, you know what else is really awesome? I just saw this video is on ESPN. These kids were on a group chat call, and one of the kids was calling in one of his other buddies and he was off by one number

and he called the DB from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and they were in the locker room and Tom Brady got on and everything and it was just a couple of kids. A couple of kids at some mission. You got a true story? Yeah, it's a true story. They actually showed clips of it.

The kid was, I mean, imagine that you're on there with your like five friends, you're all high school buddies and some of the adults answers the phone. Yeah, yeah, and you go to your dial when your friends, and because he accidentally missed dialed by one number, and he landed on like the defensive back for the buck and years, they landed on it.

Hit the lottery. Yeah, hits his number. He answers it, and this kid is like, live streaming into the buck and years locker room, and the Tom Brady comes over and says hi, and stuff like that. Imagine being those kids. He does so for a great day.

Real quick, you know what I used to do? Cause it's the holiday season. There used to be a phone number, probably exist. You can call and Santa Claus will answer the phone. There's one for the Grinch, too. Okay, I used to threaten my kids with this, so effective. Oh, you wanna act up?

And I put my phone on the speaker phone. I'm calling Santa. Ah, I'm sorry. You know, you could send a letter to the post office and they'll write you back. I know. Yeah, yeah. But the call is great, bro.

That's right. Wait, you're stuck a little older and you're still in the room. Does the call still exist? I mean, can you do it? I don't know what it is. I think it does. I forgot the number, but I used to call it at one time. Literally my kids will freak out.

No, buh-bh, please don't call. Now, are you guys doing the elf on the shelf? You guys do that? No. Yeah, I'm still doing it. So my youngest is still, still like I believe in Santa and The elf thing is still a part of that so I've like and it's so funny because every year you get worse and worse with the thing He's lazy

By the way, I posted a meme that nobody figured out so I'm just gonna give it away And we'll try to poop in a M&M's today just so you know, oh did you really? today just so you know, oh did you really? He's all brown. He's a little thing. And he just like drops it. So I did a meme that everybody could figure out and post it on the YouTube. Anyway, it's a picture of like an X-ray

and it shows like a pelvis and then there's a planet. And everybody's like, what is that? It's Uranus in Uranus. So it says we have Elphanus shelf and then we have and nobody guessed it. Everyone's like Jupiter. I saw it too.

And I didn't get it. It's Uranus in Uranus. I saw that pull. I was like, I don't get it. I have no idea what that is. It's like, Jupiter? I saw it too, and I didn't get it. It's your ainus in your hands. I saw that pull. I was like, I don't get it. I have no idea what that is. It looked like Saturn inside your stomach. Your aim is, yeah. And your aim is, yeah, I didn't get it at all.

It was too dirty. And to work in those devilian nerd jokes for sure. That's why I liked it. Yeah. Hey, look, if you're into fitness, and I know you are, because you watch and listen to this podcast, you probably want your kids to be healthy and fit as well. Well, we work with a company called Serenity Kids.

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All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from James Errors 95. What are the best and worst exercises to do cheap reps on towards the end of your set? Good old cheat reps. Cheat reps refer to the loosening up of form to get more repetitions done to improve the intensity of a particular set. It's a popular method, bodybuilders have used for a long time. Here's my opinion on a cheat rep.

I think, first off, if you're going to do them, you need to be advanced. You have to have good control, be able to connect to the target muscle, but also realize that exercises don't all have the same risk versus reward kind of ratio, right? Some exercises if your form is off a little bit, you don't increase the risk that much. Other exercises if the form is off a little bit, you dramatically increase the risk of injury. For example, Olympic lifts, Olympic lifts, if performed perfectly are very safe, if your form is off a little bit, it really changes the risk of that exercise. For example, Olympic lifts. Olympic lifts, if performed perfectly or very safe,

if your form is off a little bit, it really changes the risk of that exercise. Other compound lifts can be like that. Like a deadlift, you wanna have really good form if the deadlift is off by a little bit. The risk goes up quite a bit, squat, overhead press, very similar. So I think the cheap reps should probably be relegated

to kind of single joint exercises, or exercises at least where the wrist doesn't go up dramatically because you're loosening up the forearm. Bicep curls, tricep push downs, lateral raises. What else? Yeah. I'm trying to think what else I had ever done like a cheat rep on.

And you do a shoulder press but then be considered a push press. Yeah, that's a different exercise. Right, so it's a different exercise. There's a whole technique to it. Right, so those are the only three that I can think of where I have, you like put body English on it to get it up.

To make it, yeah. Yeah, I think that a better strategy, if you want to increase the intensity by doing more reps would be rest pause. I think it's a little better. Because with rest pause, you think it's a little better. Because with rest pause, your foremaster sets. Yeah, so like, right, so let's say you're doing a set and your form is perfect and you're like, okay, this is it. Like one more

rep and my form breaks down. Rather than doing a cheat rep, you put the bar down, you wait 15 seconds and then do another rep. And there, there you getting more reps, but the form remains, you know remains really good. It doesn't go bad. This is such one of those novelty things that if you work out forever, like yeah, I will never do that personally. But also, if I know that there's been,

I guess there's proper criticism here for cheat reps within the CrossFit world. So if you're doing keeping pullups for instance, I would consider a cheat rep that puts way too much stress on the shoulder joint specifically that is problematic. And then also like a handstand pushup, I've seen them go down to the ground on a pad where their head gets to the pad

and then they kick their legs to add momentum for them to pushing up. And I get it. So this is where sort of that sport side of it pervades and it sort of gets in in the mix of like actual strength training. And so I have a big problem with that. But it's more of the compound lists are the most problematic versus single wrap where you can have a lot more control. And it's really just about squeezing that last bit of pump instead of, you can lift the rest of your life and never do these.

You don't need to do. And when you think of all the different, yeah, and then think of the benefits. Yes, what extra benefits would you have? What do you think of all the different techniques and tools and ways to manipulate your training program? I agree. This arguably could be for sure close to dead last, if not dead last.

There's just not a lot of other, I can't think of a lot of things that are worse than this as far as the value of it that it adds as far as different techniques. Not to mention that most people that probably do it shouldn't be doing it yet because they still don't even have really great techniques. Not to mention that most people that probably do it shouldn't be doing it yet because they still don't even have really great techniques. It's a great ego boost, isn't it? Like, oh, I can do another five pounds or I can do another repetition. I don't do cheat reps ever on purpose. Now, I might do them on accident. If I'm in the gym, I might ego kicks in. And I want to hit an extra couple reps. and I'm sure if I watch the video myself doing those dumbbell curls,

I'd be like, oh, those are kinda a little loose, or if I'm working out with my buddies, and I wanna add a little weight, but I don't do them on purpose anymore. I don't see tons of value. There's other ways to increase the intensity of an exercise. You know, going back to what you said about keeping pull ups just them,

that's a completely different exercise. That's a, yeah. that's a completely different exercise. That's a technique that gymnasts use. Well, I've seen, I just know, because I've seen people actually try like strict pull ups and then as they get fatigue, start like swinging their body into it, which, yeah, again, yeah, it's supposed to set you up and to get onto the rings and so that, you know, gives you that sort of transitionary move to do it, but they've turned it into an exercise.

Yeah, what you need to understand is if you are doing, let's say you're doing a set of squats and you're doing really good form, and then you go to the point where it's like technical failure, right? Your last rep is the last rep you could do with perfect form, but then you push past that and do like three more kind of crappy cheat reps, if you will. What happens is you're besides increasing the intensity, which we've already discussed, there's a lot of ways that are better

to increase intensity that don't have to do with making your form worse. What you're literally doing is you're training your body to function in a less optimal way. In other words, whatever you train is what you strengthen. So if the last few reps of my set are bad form, I will actually become stronger and solidify that bad form recruitment pattern.

So over time, this really can start to pose an issue with your technique and with how you live. So I agree with you guys. I don't really see tons of value. And I did when I was a kid because I was like, cool, I could do more of like these last few reps I can get. But yeah, if you do it too often, it will become a pattern that's a bad pattern

that is gonna find its way into regular strength training. Next question is from I am sofa king awesome. I love this person's day What are the most overrated overrated supplements? Didn't we do an episode dedicated to this? I think we kind of did I think it was literally titled that too wasn't it something like that? I think we don't agree BCAs. I mean that we've talked about that was in there So I know that was one of the I think we did five I want to say we did like the five most overrated supplements.

Yeah, it's my guess. Consuming enough protein. Yeah, branching amino acid supplements and essential amino acid supplements are valuable for specific types of people. People who don't eat a high protein diet can get gain some value from them. So if you eat, you know, if you're eating 50 grams of protein a day

and you work out and you're eating 50 grams of protein a day, and you work out and you supplement with branching amino acids, you'll get better recovery, you know, better muscle growth, all that stuff. But if you just eat more protein, you'll get that benefit and then some. If you're eating a high protein diet, it's literally, you know what it is? I actually saw a meme that really illustrated this well. There was a guy that was outside, it was raining, and then he had a water hose and he was washing his car. And it was like, that's what branching in a washroom is like, right?

It's raining and you're throwing extra water. I've seen the water polo one. The guy's treading water, and he's got a, water bottle is just dumping water bottles ahead. Yeah. So I would say that's gotta be up there. And again, I see value in specific types of people. I would recommend it to clients with really low protein diets,

but nobody else really benefits from them. I would put fat burners in there. So I would put most of the fat, not all. I can't think of any fat burners that I wouldn't put on there. They don't burn fat. That's right, that's why I think of their... They might make you eat less

because they suppress your appetite for some part of time, but they don't burn body fat. They're fun. So any fat burner would go on there, BCAAs would go on there. What else do we have on that list that I can't recall what the five were. I know we had five on there. Yeah, there's a lot of, every year, right?

New supplements come out and they promise the latest and greatest, what I mean the truth is, most supplements are overrated. Yeah, exactly. I was gonna say, you know what, even the best supplements, okay, we talk about how great creatine is. We know the value of protein if you're under consuming. At the end of the day, I mean, our goal should always be

to get most, if not all, the things you need through whole foods. And where I see the most value in supplements is to supplement those needs when you can't hit them. So, if you're under consuming protein, then protein powder is extremely valuable. Right. I mean, very, very valuable. But it's even more valuable to get it through whole food.

So if you can get it through whole foods and not use any protein powder, that's even you're winning even more. So the supplements are such a small percentage of the benefits that you get from training and dieting. Yeah, I guess too. I mean, there's ones that are just specifically trying to target, like for pre-workouts or like,

no explode or like, you know, the NO2, like, fortunately, it gives you a better pump, whereas you can just drink a lot more water and you know, you probably do and just find, going in that direction versus like adding, and no, citrally and all these other things that have value, but in terms of it stacking up against just like making sure you're properly hydrated,

I would think it falls a little bit in comparison. So there's the five we were listed before. So we listed branched in amino acids, fat burners, nitric oxide boosters to your point right there, Justin, testosterone boosters and call it, and so the case was on the testosterone boosters were if in the context of you having, you know, low testosterone, low testosterone, like really low testosterone. Some of them will show it in a booster can kind of bring you up to a higher, more normal level, but if you were like I was

a 17 year old kid who's got probably testosterone through the roof when I was trying these things, they're absolutely worthless. Also, the effect seems to be temporary for testosterone boosters in that case. You just see kind of this, you know, losing effect. You don't even mind me of, it reminds me of like you have a car and you put a new air filter on it. So does the air filter do something? Well, yeah, maybe increase a little airflow.

Is it gonna give you like five more horsepower? No, it's not gonna give you five more. You might sound a little better, might make it a little bit more efficient. Well, they say it gives you like 15 more horsepower. Yeah, I mean, okay. Have you ever put an air filter, put an air filter, go measure your core mile,

put it out, you know, is there gonna be a drastic difference? Probably not. Crayotein, the most effective supplement that's out there is gonna add like a few reps to your lifts. You might add five pounds to some of your lifts. Does it compare, and creatine is by far one of the most effective supplements that out there just to give you an idea of how big of a, you know, how overrated most supplements

are. I think most people think that supplements are like 30% of their success when it's more like 5% or less of their success. So, I mean, and that's just the truth. Like it doesn't make that big of a difference, especially if everything else is off. Like if you're training sucks, take all the supplements you want, it's not gonna do anything for you.

It doesn't make that big of a difference. So aside from maybe filling some nutrient deficienciesiencies where I could see a lot of value, I don't see a huge amount of value for most of them. The other one that we talked about was collagen protein, which I think that if you're getting regular, getting your protein intake, then it's all protein powders are worthless if you're hitting your protein intake. And then collagen, I think pulling it out to just collagen protein, if you're taking something like way protein, it's superior than that. We've already talked about the studies that support way protein being more valuable.

If your protein is low and you supplement with protein, you'll notice a difference. Collagen or way or any other protein. And some of them are a little different like collagen. You will notice more nail growth and hair growth just because the amino acid profile. But if you have, if your protein intakes high, you've got enough of all the amino acids and the benefits that the law provides.

Well, I've noticed that game more popular, like in the wellness world, especially in women. That's what the hair of the nail skin angle that they're trying to use is like a beauty. Well, along those lines, think of the average female client that you had, not the fitness fanatity, average female client, they don't eat enough protein. So they know this shit.

So they do it, they do it. Oh my God, it works. That's why it's gotten so popular. Because there's someone listening right now, 100% we have enough people to listen. They use collagen and they probably swear by it because my skin, my hair, my nose. Yeah, because someone told me to take it,

they started taking it and they noticed those things improve the the thing that I would say back to them is I guarantee if you got rid of your collagen protein powder and you replaced it with way you get the same benefits so or if you just made sure you hit your protein and take the one you know every day through whole foods you would notice the same benefits there's nothing magical about collagen because it's but it's marketed that way. It's marketed like it's doing something magical for the hair, skin, and nails. But in reality, it's just that you just took somebody

who was probably only averaging 30 to 50 grams of protein a day and you just boosted them to 80 to 90. To their defense, if they're not willing to eat more protein, they're not willing to make any other changes, except for taking some collagen protein every day, and they're noticing health improvements to, I mean, to their defense. I guess there is value because of the convenience and stuff. But I think the real question is, how valuable are these things in comparison to what they're

trying to replace or supplement? And in that context, they're not, right? Protein powders are great when you can't get enough protein from your diet. In comparison to getting protein in your diet, protein powders are a waste of money. So that's, I think, the big point with most of the stuff. Next question is from Thabish K.

Which grip is the best and safest for deadlifts? Over over. You know it's funny. Okay, so the most popular one, you'll see this over under grip, right, when you're deadlift. So one hand is supinated, palm facing back, the other one's palm facing up,

and what that does allows you to hold on to a lot more weight because the bar doesn't roll out of your hand necessarily. Here's the issue with that, and that was a lift that was created by strong men just to get the bar Off the ground and powerlifting obviously allows you to use a mixed grip Here's the problem with it if you're not diligent about switching Your which hand goes supinated and pronated with every single set you will develop an imbalance like I did I developed an imbalance. I did lifted

for years with the switch grip, and I would always, when I go on my heaviest sets, I would always pick the one I was strongest in. And sure enough, I could see a difference in development between my right and my left side. And still today, I still have a slight discrepancy, even though I've now switched to a hook grip, so that both hands are facing forward. So now I don't have to do this switch. So if you use the switch grip, you better go back and forth

with every single set and make sure you're even because it does, I mean one is supernated, so one, your humerus is externally rotated, the one that's rotated inward a little bit and that's going to change the recruitment pattern a bit and you will see over time just imbalance between these sides. Well, I notice I would get the hand that was supinated so the one with the palm up, right? I was doing the same thing. I was getting issues in my elbow and my shoulder on that side. So that side, I would see problems

with the other side I wouldn't see any problems. So I went back to doing just double over. And what I just started doing was like, if I couldn't pick it up that way, I just stopped picking it up. Yeah, once I mean I went to that kick with you for a little bit Where I was trying to chase a number, but if I'm not chasing something like I'm not competing. You use a hook grip It all or just now I try to go out you know when you went on the kick for the hook grip and we restarted doing it For a while there. I was trying to play with it. It was so bad at it. It was it was awful. I could not I couldn't get her to her hands a little bit Yeah, I couldn't get it. I don't know what it, it was awful. I could not, I couldn't get, it hurts your hands a little bit. Yeah, I couldn't get it.

I don't know what it is, my technique sucks. I also, I didn't care enough to be that consistently deadlifting with a hook grip to get good at it. You know what I'm saying? It does hurt your hand. And it takes a while here. Yeah, that's just it.

I wasn't deadlifting enough consistently to get to the place where I'd get good at. It's just a fuck it. I'll just do double over. And then, you know, if I can't lift that way, I can't lift that way and you get stronger. I think if I were training clients now, I would, and I was getting the point where they were strong enough to where their grip would give out,

I would teach the hook grip over the, you know, the switch grip, the over 100 grip because I, like I've seen it way too many times where you start to favor aside side and it does create an imbalance and yes I know in powerlifting competitions they don't care you just got to get the weight up but if you're training your body you got to train it balanced and small changes is like one hand supernated one hand pronated definitely makes a difference and a hook grip does take time to get used to it does take time to get used to. It does hurt your thumb. It's not without its own issues. I know people have had, you know, thumb issues as a result of doing that, but at least it's balanced. You know, I mean, at least both hands are working. I try to switch every set, but that's just

because does anybody even do like a double-supinated grip? I don't get it ever seen that. But yeah, I do try and start out as heavy as I can go double overhand, and then I just switch after every set just to make sure I don't have this. I go chalk and hook grip. Chalk and hook grip, and you should be able to go pretty far if you get good with it. Otherwise, I mean, I guess you can't really hook. As much as I hate recommending that, I guess you could, right? Use wrist wraps if you can't hold onto the bar.

But that does also disengage the hands a little bit, and I think it's important to develop the strength of the grip. Next question is from Pizza Cun. How does lack of sleep affect performance in the gym? Does it affect pumps? Negative. Oh, man. I can't think of anything that would negatively affect performance faster than lack of sleep. Maybe just chronic low calorie. No, no. Chronic low calorie long enough. Not faster. Imagine if you did, you ate no calories one day.

How much that would affect your performance? Now imagine if I had no sleep one night. The sleep really messes up a performance. It puts you in. The thing with lack of sleep is it is such a stress signal to the body because for most of human history the only time you would not sleep at all at night is if you were in danger or scared or in a really bad situation and what your body does in that case is it ramps up stress hormones, ramps up catacoleamine production, changes hormones, and really doesn't care about the long term

because your body perceives the immediate threat to be something that needs to be handled right away. You can forget about your body adapting and building muscle and doing all that stuff in that particular space. Like I sleep, they've done studies on lack of sleep and they can induce psychosis in people. I don't remember with the timeframe, in a very short period of time.

It's like three days. It's like three days, people like a majority of them start to go crazy. What about the pump though? Is there a direct mechanism that is affected by that? I don't think so. I don't know about the direct mechanism. I mean, if blood vessels are going to be more constricted,

you're more stressed, you're probably going to get less blood flow. I, for me, it does. Yeah, cortisol, with that effect that it anyway, I don't me, it does. Yeah, cortisol, would that effect it anyway? I don't know if it would or not? Like, I don't know. Yeah, I think so. I think it's more... I mean, the fact that it affects the overall workout

means it would affect the pump indirectly, but I don't think there's a direct connection. I feel a more essential nervous system. Like, I just don't have access to that type of like force production. It's just like, it is so much more fight within what would normally be something I'd have access to if I'm lacking sleep. It just feels like my body like wants to just shut down and so I lack luster go through those types of

exercises. Now have you guys had those examples of like when you you were really exhausted, you probably should have took the day off of working out. You ramped up on some pre-workout and you did anyway, you had adrenaline. And then you had the best workout of your life, though. Yeah, that's because you're very occasionally. Yeah, you got to fight or flight kicking in. Right, right. I mean, so I think that's why this, I think sometimes, it's tough for people to like, read or know

what they should or should not do, because most people that have been lifting for a long time can recall something like that too, where they're like, I don't know what these guys are talking about because I had a PR on a day where I only got two hours of sleep and I went and did this and this is how I felt. And like, so I don't believe that bullshit. And that's, I mean, I know that I was in that camp

in my 20s, because I knew that I could draw back to times where I had incredible workouts where I pushed through. You see athletes on benders, on cocaine for a few days, and then they'd like pitch a no hitter. Yeah, you're like, what the hell? I think I just do that. Who was, that was LSD too, right?

Yeah, LSD too. Yeah, you know, this was the last piece of the puzzle that I put together. I took me a long time to figure out workouts, nutrition, probably was next. Sleep took me a long time because we're remarkably, humans in general remarkably good at coping with lack of sleep. Like, we could get by and we have caffeine and stimulants and, you know, we don't notice, we can, I guess we can get by.

And especially when you're young, man, my motto literally, I used to say this, it's so stupid, I used to literally say this in my sales meetings. I'll sleep when I die, I used to tell people this all time, I don't need sleep, sleep for weak people, I was, you know, and I would sleep five hours a night, that was my average, and I would just go and go and go, and you know,

and wonder why I got, you know, would get me old and stuff like that, but it took me a long time to piece that together Now once you piece it together the contrast is dramatic like go for you know Even just do like six and a half hours of sleep versus seven and a half hours And do the comparison and you'll see that that's a huge difference Well, I think because the adrenaline of the in the isolated situation Sometimes you might have this example of where it was great for you, but overall, I think the compounding effect of poor sleep

and training, I think it starts to take a toll on that out. You know where this really becomes obvious when you have your first baby? Because when you're in your 20s, you're sleep deprived for like a weekend. Yeah, but you know what though to that point again, I was on a little bit of a high. I remember a couple weeks after that. I remember talking shit about it. You remember how easy it was?

Yeah, just a lot of things. I feel good. Some of my best workouts have been these last couple weeks for like that, but guess what? It eventually catches up. Yeah, that's why it's, but that's what I mean by that. It's like, you know, in an isolated event where it's just maybe one or even a handful or maybe like some of that.

From a funnel drilling. Yeah, I just had a child, probably one of the most amazing experiences of my life. Yeah, about two weeks later, it turns into two months, three months. That's right. You're like, okay, this is a whole different point. But I think that's the part, though,

I think that throws people off when you talk about that. Or even through me off as a young fitness trainer, like thinking that, oh, sleep's overrated. I used to say, sleep's overrated, you know, because I can power through, I can get through it, I'm fine, but not realizing, man, when you optimize your sleep, how much, and I think that's the better thing to focus on. Not, could I survive or get a good single workout on a lack of sleep? It's what happens.

What happens when I truly dedicate myself to a week or two weeks or three weeks of consistent going to bed at like a really early time for myself or preparing myself for bed and getting good sleep and diet, then I think that's the better thing to teach people is like instead of saying, oh, it doesn't affect me that much or oh, I've had bad sleep and had my best workouts. Forget looking at like that. How about have you ever

actually made an effort to get great sleep consistently for a period of time to actually see how much it benefits? That's a great point because the challenge with this is that I think people are in such a chronic state of poor sleep for so long. they don't know what they don't know. It's like that, they never experienced it. Yeah, it's like that story. The man that was born with one ice-sone shut and everybody tells him, you open your eyes, and he's like, I'm see just fine.

And finally, when they open it, he's like, oh my God, I can't believe what I was missing. I have a buddy who just was always chronically tired. He would always have to have caffeine. He would not often meetings and just whatever. He just thought this is just how it was. Well anyway, when he got, he had this girlfriend that moved in with them and she was like, you know that you like stop breathing when you're sleeping and you choke and all that stuff.

He had aphnea here. He had sleep apnea, did the sleep test, got put on the, what is it called the CPAP machine. And he's like, I had no idea how big of a difference it would make. He's like, it's a game, but he didn't know because he had nothing to compare it to. So, you know what Adam said, I think is exactly right. Like, make an effort to do this for a week,

so you have a contrast. Otherwise, it's like water. How many times you get clients like, oh, you need to drink more water? I drink more water. I'm fine. And then when they finally do, I had no idea how much better I would feel

from drinking more water. It's really no different than that. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our fitness and health guides. We have tons of guides that can help you with all of your fitness goals. You can also find all of us on social media.

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