Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1708: How to Improve the Mind-Muscle Connection, the Pros & Cons of Using Wrist Wraps, the Only People Who Should Use a Lifting Belt & More

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best ways to improve the mind-muscle connection, whether wrist wraps are helpful long-term or more detrimental, using a weight belt vs. just working on strengthening the core and proper breathing, and the proven benefits to taking ashwagandha. Mind Pump Fit Tip: You can’t get fat from protein. (2:14) Want a piece of the largest pot brownie in the world? (16:57) Mind Pump makes some predictions on the growing inflation rate and how it will impact you. (19:53) Eye drops that can eliminate the use of reading glasses! (29:35) How glutathione can improve the pump. (35:27) Adam and Sal recap their recent trip to the NCI coaching event in Arizona. (38:45) Sal’s favorite Organifi product and why it’s in his daily rotation. (49:22) Elon Musk, Time’s 2021 Person of the Year. (52:50) #Quah question #1 – What are some ways to improve mind-muscle connection? (56:02) #Quah question #2 – Are wrist wraps helpful long-term or more detrimental? (59:34) #Quah question #3 – Should I use a weight belt or just work on strengthening my core and proper breathing? (1:05:21) #Quah question #4 – Are there any proven benefits to taking ashwagandha? (1:10:57) Related Links/Products Mentioned December Promotion: MAPS HIIT and MAPS SPLIT 50% off! **Promo code “DECEMBER50” at checkout** Protein Consumption Linked to Longevity Mind Pump #1690: Eight Holiday Hacks To Prevent Fat Gain Cannabis Company Breaks the Record for Largest Pot Brownie with 850 Lb. Treat Antineoplastic Activity of Cannabinoids Netflix CEO on paying sky-high salaries: ‘The best are easily 10 times better than average’ New FDA-approved eye drops could replace reading glasses for millions Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Glutathione regulates nitric oxide synthase in cultured hepatocytes - PubMed Combined L-citrulline and glutathione supplementation increases the concentration of markers indicative of nitric oxide synthesis NCI Certifications x Mind Pump Mind Pump x NCI Mentorship Coaching Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Mind Pump #1682: Bacteria For Muscle Gain, Fat Loss & Health Time magazine reveals its 2021 Person of the Year Why Can’t I Feel the Right Muscles Working? - Mind Pump Blog HOOK Grip vs MIXED Grip?? Which Will INCREASE Your Deadlift More?? (Jordan Shallow) – Mind Pump TV Summary of Ashwagandha Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jason Phillips (@jasonphillipsisnutrition)  Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, alright? In today's episode, we answered live questions from listeners just like you, but the way we open the episode is with a 53 minute intro, where we talk about scientific studies,

current events that we mention are sponsors. Here are some of the things that we talked about in today's episode. We talked about how you can't get fat from protein. We talked about the 850 pound pop brownie. We brought up inflation. We talked about eyedrops that can replace reading glasses. I talked about how taking glutathione can improve the pump

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This is an advanced bodybuilder style workout program. Both 50% off, if you're interested in learning more or you just want to sign up, head over to mapsfitnessproducts.com and use the code December 50. That's December 50, no space for the discount. All right, look, it's almost impossible to gain body fat for meeting a lot of protein. All right, guys, let's talk about this for a little bit. I don't disagree with that.

I remember the first time that I kind of figured this out. We've talked on the show when we pieced together the processed foods tip, right, telling clients to stop eating processed foods. And I wish I remember like, if it was something that I kind of like did myself first and then I was like, oh wow, one of this works with clients.

But in your baked potato thing that you always talk about, like try eating like four or five baked potatoes with nothing on it and it's like impossible. But yeah, you could crush a bag of potato chips. Proteins, like it's similar that way. If you're getting, and I think that's the one caveat to that what you're saying is that if it's

whole foods that you're getting that protein, because you could probably get fat off of eating process foods that are full of protein, or that- There's protein Snickers bars now. Right, I mean, what are we talking about? Yeah, right. Well, so there's two things to this. One is what you're saying.

Protein is extremely satiating. It's really hard to just ovary a lot of protein, because it just, you hit a wall. You don't want any more. This is what, if you ever talk to anybody who's ever done a carnivore diet, they'll tell you, like I just, I can't eat any more. That's the biggest issue is like really trying

to be able to eat enough calories. It's really difficult. You get so full and it's just like, it's just too much to worry. I'm not even hungry after a day. Well, do you guys remember how we all went on the ketogenic diet way early on? So before we had, I think it was before we even had

Dom on the show and we were, it was just getting kind of popular. And we did a high protein version. And then we all decided we'd run it and we'd do it. And I would just happen to be in the middle of like still, I think just wrapping up competing even. You were trying to bulk? Yeah, I was in a bulk and I was like, okay,

well, let's just try and do this. And I remember I just how hard it was. And that's kind of what made me kind of throw in the towel was, dude, I just, I'm not able to eat 5,000 calories of just proteins and fats. Like you fill up so fast. So there's two parts to this. So first off, I do want to be clear. If you eat more calories in your burn, you will gain a lot of science, right?

That's science. But here's why I made that statement about protein. One is what we just talked about. It's incredibly satiating, so it's hard to overeat protein in comparison to carbohydrates and fats, but especially carbohydrates. But number two, they've done studies where they've bumped people's calories through carbohydrates, fats,

or just proteins. And at the end of these studies, what they found is that the increase in calories that came from proteins resulted in less fat gain and some muscle gain. That's even if calories, all things equal. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, now here's the speculation.

The speculation is one, protein has this incredible thermic effect. So eating more protein means your body tends to burn more calories. So the calories in versus calories out, like that rule of thermodynamics, it still stands, right? It's a rule of physics. But eating a lot of protein tends to change

the calories outside of the formula. Eating more of it tends to make your metabolism burn more calories. And then the second part is, we all know that, and again, this is clear in studies as well, eating a higher protein diet tends to lead to more muscle gain. And what does more muscle do? It burns more calories.

So if you're eating a lot more protein versus the other macronutrients and your calories are high, you're less likely to gain body fat in comparison to the others and or it's gonna be hard to eat a lot more when it's just protein. Yeah, there's still information out there that's like sort of deterring people from this in terms of like the mTOR and like cancer, sort of being a scare with that. Yeah, so mTOR is a mammalian target repomiasin.

I think I'm saying that right. And this, because I remember these things. Yeah, it's just a million. Yeah, listen, I dons mammalian target repomiasin. I think I'm saying that right and this because I remember these things Yeah, it's a million. Yeah, listen. I don't remember a lot of things. It's funny It's like I'll be with my family in the last me certain questions I'll be like I have no idea and I'll remember something or we'll have a Just your head meeting is there a later he forgets what he's supposed to do afterwards it completely So and it's a skill. That's good for podcasting. So thank you God for this Find this. Oh, it's perfect. podcasting. So thank you, God for this. I'll be fine. Oh, it's perfect. This career.

Anyway, so this particular, you know, mTOR signals muscle growth, but it drives the growth of a lot of things. If you spike mTOR when you have cancer, you'll probably accelerate the growth of cancer. So people will say things like, high protein diets will increase your risk of cancer, not true, by the way, carbohydrates also feed cancers.

And even fats, in some cases, although not as often, can feed some cancer. So there's a difference between a environment where cancer is present in a healthy environment. In a healthy environment, and by the way, if you have cancer, a lot of things change. There's a lot of things that you need to change and modify, in some cases, they'll put you on

hormone blocking drugs and other things, which normally would be a bad thing. That's the thing to consider. When you're healthy, and the studies with healthy people, high protein diets are not only perfectly healthy. In fact, the study just came out showing that in older populations, higher protein diets are connected to lower risks, excuse me, of all cause mortality. Again, probably because higher protein diets result in more strength gains or at least strength preservation,

and we know now how strongly connected strength is to all cause mortality as you age. The stronger you are when you're older, the less likely you are to die from, you know, from all different causes. Well, this is where that tip comes from too, where we tell people to eat protein first. So you sit down and you get your plates that are filling up on the bread or the chips, just eat the protein, protein and fats first, and then vegetables, and then move to like your

starchy carbs. And many times, just by telling somebody the order that they eat like that, carbs and many times just by telling somebody the order that they eat like that, we'll limit the amount of carbohydrates and calories that they consume and it's been like one of those tips that and it's a psychological thing too because you're not telling the client, you can't have the carbs or you can't have the chips or you can't have the bread. It's just, hey, go eat your protein and fats and veggies first and then go ahead and enjoy that and many times what ends up happening by the time you get to those, you're just full. Yeah, I think there's also this myth that, and there's some truth to this,

that because humans evolve for the vast majority of human history where food was scarce, that we evolved to just eat when food is in front of us, and we'll just eat ourselves to death. There's a little bit of truth to that, but the truth is there's a lot of falseness in that in the sense that our bodies, even back then, had safeguards against overeating

because it would have killed you back then just like it does today. Maybe not obesity, that would have been much more difficult to accomplish, but like overeating and damaging your digestive system or causing yourself to feel sick. So, we do this hunt, we kill this animal or we come across this, you know, naturally growing tree with fruit on it. Even it was still detrimental for us to just eat until we made ourselves sick even back then.

So, we have these natural safeguards and it's satiety and we hit it. But the way we get around it now is we take different flavors and foods and combine them in ways, usually engineer them in ways, to make you want to make you eat even more and more, to kind of get past that barrier, because those barriers that we have evolved with whole natural foods and evolved with where sugar was quite rare. I mean, tell me where you would find sugar in nature, not with like modern agriculture, and all that stuff. If you're as fruit, but barely. You might find some berry.

Yeah, they're bitter for the most part. Yeah, or in apple and apples. In apples back then, were like full of seeds and lots of fiber. I've never seen an article that like compared like our fruit to day versus fruit, just like a hundred years ago. Did you know that?

Dramatically different. You can look at old paintings from the Renaissance. Like fruit? Yeah, and they're sliced up. Don't even look the same. No, but anas are full of seeds. Apples are very little flesh. You know, fruit was way less packed with sugar.

It's just how it occurred in ancient. Now we bred them to make them like super delicious. So do you not think that after a big hunt back in the days that you wouldn't gorge out of the food or you just couldn't because it's all meat that you were consuming? And so because it wasn't super palatable, it would hijack those systems.

I think you definitely would eat until you were satisfied. Because you definitely would do that. That would be silly. If you don't eat for a week and then finally you get a kill, everybody is eating as much as they possibly can, probably until they are almost feel sick. But those barriers that satiety signal that palate fatigue

kicked in. So you need, like, man, I can't eat anymore. Now what you, and this is from looking at studies of modern hunter-gatherers, the foods that are prioritized, or the parts of the foods that are prioritized or the parts of the animal that are prioritized tend to be the organs and the fatty parts. So we would eat those first, obviously the most nutrient dense, like animal liver is so packed full of nutrients. It's like the nature's multivitamin. So we'd eat that first, eat the fatty parts for, and then all the lean tissue was left for later on

or if it went bad, it went bad. I mean, in fact, there's something called, I think I talked about this once in a podcast. I think it's called a rabbit starvation, or I think that might be the term. Right. This is where trappers. Oh, trappers have been at Alaska, right?

Yeah, or even in the West. You know, one time. It's not fatty enough. Yeah, there were catch lots of rabbits, and they would still starve. You see that on that alone show. Oh yeah. You see that I remember like one of the seasons,

the guy got like a buffalo or something like a really lean animal. No, it was an El Mousse. Yeah, and the fact got stolen. Yeah, it wasn't an Elp. It was like either a mousse or like a buffalo or something. Yeah, it was one of those that are like really lean meats. And you would think that that's enough meat for,

I meant that's enough technically meat for someone to live off of for a year, and it still wasn't enough for him because I he ended up, I remember like Wolverine's got his, his, the fat, the fat in the liver, and so all he had was this lean meat, and then he was like starving. Yeah, I remember that in the lead.

He took all the fats and he separated them and put them in this like, he thought like animals wouldn't get to it and the frickin' Wolverine got to it, stole it all. And the only had left was lean meat. How great, how frustrating would that be? You're gonna starve to death that you have all this meat.

Yeah, it's right there in front of you. It just makes me think, I mean, how it's just so interesting where we are now where we can select like vegetable-based meats, or we can engineer these kind of meats that aren't even from animals. How do you even get satiated from that? How do you even get that signal?

It's like, to me, it's interesting. Is it mainly from nuts and from beans? And that's like for a vegan. That's gotta be really difficult to ever feel like you're fully satisfied. You ever seen the ingredient list on the Beyond Meat? Doug, maybe should pull this up. Well, it's all like vegetable oils and animal.

There's like 15 ingredients in here. Yeah, it's crazy. it's all like vegetable oils. And there's like 15 ingredients. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like super fun. It's like super fun. How long do you think you need to be like, monk like before you become in tune naturally to those systems? They're there still, right?

And I feel like we talk about all the time about trying to become aware of those natural signs that your body's trying to tell you, no, don't eat this or your full already. Like, you know, how long do you think it's for somebody who has like no connection at all to them and distracted all the time? Like, how long would they have to be like,

month-like to get reconnected to the world? I think it's a constant practice, dude. Because what it is because you're airing your, you're taking insults from the opposite side, right? The TV, the phone, the, you know, stress, work, like. And then you've got all this incredible food all around you and it's super tasty and inexpensive and really easy to get. I think it's a constant practice. Is there stuff to support like people who live like in rural areas versus in like cities

that would... are technically... Used to be, not anymore. It used to be that way because rural areas didn't have access, but now our markets are so damn effective that people are obese everywhere. In fact, in certain cities, people are less obese because the cities were designed before cars were invented. So people walk around and they were.

Yeah, so it's like, there's a matter, dude, where you're at now, you're gonna be, you've got this food accessible and it's gonna be a problem. It is a problem. So yeah, let's look at this ingredient list, Doug, when he pulls it up. What is that show here? Let's see. Water, pea protein, expel-a-press canola oil,

coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, which is, I don't know how many other things, cocoa butter, mung bean protein, methyl cellulose, potato starch, apple extract, pomegranate extract, salt, potassium chloride, vinegar, lemon juice, concentrate, sunflower, less than 10, peach juice extract. The peach juice, by the way, is to make it look bloody. Yeah. Isn't that funny?

Yeah, it's so funny. I'm a fan of this argument, though, by the way. That's what, I know you're bringing it up to make a point, like, if you look, you flip me around, it's just me, but like, when you just break, you say all those things, for the most part, most of those things are in a lot of foods.

It's the fact that there's all the combinations of it. No, I get it. I get it. But I just, I think it's a weak argument. It's a weak argument. Yeah, I agree. I know it's all that. Because I guarantee if you and I were to extract everything

that's in there, you'd be like, oh yeah, I eat that and other things or I've had that. They're not, it's not that horrific. It's not as bad as if I turn around my rock star and look at what's in the back of that. That's probably a lot worse for me than this thing is totally. And that's kind of like the go-to argument that everybody leans on is like, look at this, there's 70 things in here versus what. No, yeah, it's just not, it doesn't really compare to actual meat, I think is the point.

Well, it's not. And that to me, that's a better argument is the how nutrient dense meat is. And I think that would be a better way to explain it. Look at all the health benefits you get from eating real meat. And show that versus, okay, you can put all these things in here to try and emulate this, but look at the value of this versus. To me, that's a better argument than the liquids in it, like, scare tactic to how much stuff. You know, it's funny.

It's the demise of how we value meat. Really started happening once we started separating ourselves from the process of raising and killing meat. As soon as we separated that, you had these huge slaughter factories with animals being run through and treated a certain way in pump full of hormones or whatever, because we're not connected to it.

And then people never kill an animal themselves, so they have no respect for it. They go to the grocery store and they just see the meat in the plastic. And then because they have no respect, they don't understand the value. And so like, I'm not going to eat meat anymore. And a lot of people run into problems with that because you have to be more, you can definitely be vegan and be healthy for sure. You just have to be much more planned. And it also wouldn't be possible without modern grocery stores and modern markets. They're just so much variety

now. You can get all the nutrients you need, whereas you know, a thousand years ago, you would starve. You would starve if you didn't eat any meat. So it's, you know, it's really interesting. Well, why were on the food topic? Did you guys see the 850 pound pot brownie that was made? Dude. What? 20,000 milligrams of D.H.C. 850 pounds.

I think the company that I think Medymar or something like that, I think is the name of the company, they claim to have made the largest pot brownie in the world that 800 and 50, I have no idea. So you could say, how many people you can invite over to the shop. From a marketing standpoint,

I mean, here we are talking about it. You know what I'm saying? I can't be the first person to bring it up. I read it in some other big article or whatever like that. So you can invite a thousand people over and everybody gets super smart. I mean, really probably a just a smart strategy to get attention because everyone's

get the wow factor of looking at it and being like, oh my god, like, imagine how hot you are. How sad, by the way, how sad is this that there's people that literally, they just made this pot running? It's massive. There's no way they actually put all that pot in there. That's why it's not money. Oh, 20,000 you can fit in that easily, dude.

No. Oh, yes, you can, bro. I've seen a thousand milligrams in a cookie. No, I know. I'm saying that they didn't do that because that would have cost them too much money. Like they could just say that. Yeah, that would be really expensive to do that, right? To produce that.

I remember. Or it'd be wasteful to do that, right? Right. You can use it to produce a bunch of. Yeah, but if publicity stuff. Yes, it's produce a bunch of Yeah, but it's publicity stuff. Yes, it's that, but you know what's sad about this? They did this get all kinds of news. There's still people in federal prison

for marijuana laws. Is it still? I thought we started letting a lot of that out. No, no, no, no. Well, there's still people in there serving their terms. So there's people who got caught in the 90s, trafficking a bunch of cannabis. And I mean, in the 90s, if you got caught

with 20,000 milligrams of wheat, THC, you're going to jail for like decades. So imagine you're sitting in jail right now, and you're like on 15 years, and you read this damn article, I would be so mad, dude. This has been a pop round here, and I'm still in jail.

I'm still in jail. I had this conversation with Mike earlier, because he's, he's, he's, he's, Matthews? No, no, our friend, Mike. Uh-oh. And we gave, yeah, and we gave, I gave him some hemp oil and we were talking about cannabinoids

and I'm like, man, you know that they, they made, they literally made that elite, like, like schedule one specifically to target the counter culture. It was 100% of political move to be able to throw protesters in jail because they had to figure out a way to do it. So like their number one drug is weed. Let's make that the, you know, the schedule one or whatever. And by the way, there was a study. I haven't

talked about this a long time. I remembered it while I was talking to them. Do you know that one of the first studies that showed cannabinoids and their anti-cancer effects was a government study, excuse me, government funded study in 1974. They did a study trying to connect smoking marijuana to lung cancer. And halfway through, they saw that there was a small anti-cancer, very small anti-cancer effect. And they stopped the study and classified it. And it only got released later because of the Freedom of Information Act, I think, when

people like, wait a minute, why did you guys stop this study? Oh, I know why. Just show that convenient information. I know. Isn't that crazy? Speaking of crazy stuff, I'm not telling you guys something that's super annoying. So obviously, inflation's exploding. I think we hit a new record, right? 7% highest in 40 years. Yeah. So we're crushing with that, right? What you do, it's funny, though, is the news articles coming out around it are cracking me up, dude. Like the spin, like the positive part. So okay, now let's, let's play the, you know, a prediction game that we always play here. There, I believe there is a, like, a $5 trillion bill

on the table right now. Now, this new, I think we can say it's not transitory anymore. Or is that because it's been hanging around? Oh, can say it's not transitory anymore. Is that because it's been hanging around? Oh, inflation. Yeah, it's been hanging around five plus and climbing, right? So I think it's no longer transitory. So based off of that, does this bill get killed or do they still, Congress still push it through and we still, now we print out five trillion dollars. I think, I think at the, at the, the best, they're're gonna pass something that's trillions of dollars. Maybe it's not the five trillion or whatever,

but they'll pass. So is that your prediction? Is that like half of it will get passed? Yeah, something in the trillion. Why would they stop it? I mean, at this point, they keep bringing money, yeah, but I mean, part of their theory on printing money before

was that this was gonna be transitory and we would return back to normalcy and the fact that it's not and it's continuing to rise. Printing more money is only gonna make it accelerate. Yeah, but you're speaking of- Yeah, I know, but that's logical. I guess my point is they've been successfully able to keep hitting that button.

Well, it's kind of like their hand has been caught in the cookie jar now. And I feel like it's like, are you really still gonna try and reach in there and grab another one even though though you are the cop? Dude, everything I've seen so far is keep throttling as fast and as, you know, it's the opposite of what I'm gonna come out.

Totally negative, dude. Like everything out there is just, in my favor, it's all naked. So just to be full pessimist is gonna say, they're gonna, they're gonna stop really through. Let me go next. Ah, they're gonna go, they're gonna probably lobby, it gets a little bit, it'll be around.istic as they say. They're gonna, they're gonna, nobody stop being the real fact. Let me go next. Ah, they're gonna go, they're gonna, probably lobby gets a little bit,

it'll be around. No, there's no accountability. Let me be a little more, let me be a little more specific before you go at them because you're gonna go positive. So I'm gonna go be a little more specific. Here's the two options that they have. Do huge spending bills or race taxes and interest rates?

Which one is gonna be providing more pain? What were you and I just watching? What did we, and we heard so much? Nobody wants to do providing more pain? What pain would I just watching? What did we, and we heard so much? Nobody wants to do that, right? What was it we were watching? Was it when we were in the hotel room when he said, like, oh, I'm gonna do this, and we won't have to pay any more taxes.

Oh my God, what was Biden? Oh, what did he say, though? Oh, Biden was like, I felt fell out of the shit. We're gonna provide this, we're gonna provide that. We're not gonna raise a single dollar of taxes, and it's not gonna cost us any money. Oh my God, that's what it was.

We found a money tree. Anyway, so either raise interest rates, increase taxes or inflate, which one was more likely to get blamed on politicians if they goes through with the pain, right? The interest rates and taxes, which one are they going to pass the buck on? Inflation, in fact, the propaganda already started. You know what they're doing right now? And I'm seeing articles on this. And I'm seeing political pundits say this bullshit too.

They're blaming the rise in prices on companies price gouging. I swear to God, that's what they're saying. They're saying the reason why baking is- Companies are taking advantage. Yes, the reason why baking is 50% more expensive is because baking companies are like, hey, we could totally raise prices and people will pay more. That's not how it works.

If I'm in a competitive market and I have a product, I wish my competitors had to raise their prices. Now I'm going to crush them. It doesn't work that way. It's not price gouging. Sorry, this prices are reflecting what's going on, but they're already starting the propaganda machine. And inflation is their favorite way to tax people without people realizing it,

because it's easy to pass the buck. All right, go positive. Yeah, I dare you. Well, I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be the, the optimist of the group and I wanna believe that they're, they're gonna shut it down.

So I'm gonna say they're not gonna pass it. So at all, like zero. At all zero, yeah, I think that we have to, at least for now, I mean, I think that it's, it's so out of control, I think you can't pitch the transitory thing anymore that it's here, it's here to stay. In fact, it's probably inevitable, it's going to get worse.

And so by printing any more money, it's only going to make that situation 10 times worse. So I think that- So I'm gonna be your political opponent right now. So you said that, which is true and honest and logical. Now I'm gonna be a political opponent right now So you said that which is true and honest and logical Now I'm gonna be not good politics now I'm gonna crush your politics I'm like, everybody's just gonna blame somebody else and keep passing the butt. I'm gonna say like this They do it every time Adam you don't want to you don't want to build new bridges and create new jobs and

Fix our discreet our crumbling infrastructure. You want to cancel this bill when Americans need work the most Yeah, and need work the most and people need the most help. You lose, I win. That's going to be the pitch. You don't think that a lot of people are kind of, I mean, you brought it up the other day about his approval right now, so most people are pretty upset. I think most people see the writing on the wall now, don't you think or no? I think they do when they don't understand. People don't understand inflation, they don't understand what's happening. They see that this new building will get passed.

We're gonna create jobs with it, by the way. Okay, government doesn't create jobs. They take money from producers, and they spend it on stuff that they think is valuable through the process you automatically lose wealth because there's a massive bureaucracy that administers in. You also have to pay off the special interest grease. That's it. We'll talk about that. Yeah, and then who knows if what I'm

building is going to have market viability because there's no pressures on it. So I'm going to build it and then who knows and we'll see what happens. So it's really, I mean literally I could be like I'm going to create a thousand jobs and here's your job. You're going to dig a hole and fill it back up and we're going to pay you. And how are we going to pay you? We we're gonna just print money or I'm gonna tax these people over here. Speaking of jobs, I heard that it's pointless to even pay attention to unemployment rate.

And the reason being, this was very interesting, I've never heard this before, that as technical, like for example, 50 years ago or 50, 60 years ago, the skills that you needed to be in the workforce is so different than now. That keeps leveling up while we're not getting more educated. Now maybe as a whole, like we are,

but there's a larger percentage of people that are uneducated are growing at a faster rate and the jobs are getting further out of reach. And so it's inevitable that that number is always gonna continue to get worse. I thought that was really interesting. I never heard anyone make that point before and it makes a lot of reach. And so it's inevitable that that number is always going to continue to get worse. I thought that was really interesting. I never heard anyone make that point before. And it makes a lot of sense. What do you think about our parents' parents? The jobs you do to a lot of them were like labor. You know what I'm saying? The skills required to learn how to do it, you could get hired not having TikTok influencing isn't paying off.

Yeah. Yeah. That's not a real career. What the fuck? Well, I don't know. According to unemployment numbers, it's pretty low. But one thing they don't tell you is how many people stop looking. Because those people are off that. So if you say that you're not looking for a job, even though you're unemployed, they don't count that.

So I don't know. That's another reason why I hear it's not very important. It's like, we're not tracking that, which that's just as important too, right? Yeah, I have, I don't know. That's another reason why I hear it's not very important. It's like, we're not tracking that, which that's just as important too, right? Yeah, I have, I don't know. But isn't that interesting when you think about that? You know, I was like, wow, it is kind of inevitable that it's going to continue to get worse than like if we are,

if we're not getting smarter as a whole and the jobs are, you know, being replaced with AI and it's requiring you to be smarter that you either have to be able to run AI. You mean to have more skills? Yeah, more skills than what, just 50, 60 years ago, and it is, when you think about jobs, what they look like. Well, isn't it, isn't it just like when Google, like announced they're having like more of that

in-house education, where you... Certificates, you could just go direct, you know, right out of like high school. I think the market will answer that. I think that's the move. It's really just getting more skilled with the net-specific trade. I do too.

I think in tech especially, let's say you get a four-year degree in tech, at the speed at which it's advancing. At the end of your degree, what you learn the first two years might even become kind of obsolete. So companies like Google and Apple and others are creating their own education systems, and then their six month certificate is equivalent to a four-year degree. Not just for them, there's other companies that are accepting these certificates as well. So I think it's going

to keep doing that. As far as education is concerned, we are more educated than we were 50 years ago, generally speaking. More people. Generally speaking, but the skills required for jobs is outpacing that. Well, you know what happens is the jobs that are at such high demand require high skill. For example, I read this article, I think I sent it to you on computer engineers. Do you know the difference between the productivity

of what they would consider a superstar computer engineer and your average engineer? No. It's crazy. I think you said this. Yeah, so one of the founders of Netflix, it wasn't the gentleman that we interviewed, it was one of the other ones, but he said that they had a meeting where they had to decide how

many computer engineers or engineers or coders are we going to hire to create this new product, this new service. And he says he had a budget to hire. I think it was eight engineers, but he remembered learning about these what are called superstar engineers that are hyper productive and really good. And so rather than paying eight engineers, a engineer average salary, he hired one who was a superstar and paid

him a fat salary. And it worked. He said because of the amount of productivity that these high level engineers can produce, one of them is equivalent to like 20 engineers. Oh yeah, which is really crazy. So there's a huge discrepancy between these superstar, you know, coders and engineers and then your typical one. It's just like that guy that's on a sorrent and just never leaves his fucking computer. Just all day. Speaking of tech, did you guys read the article on

these new iDrops that just got approved by the FDA? I drops. Oh,, bro. And tech. Okay, tech knowledge, it's really crazy. So they created Idrops that can eliminate the use of reading glasses. What? Yeah. So you use these Idrops. So it's a temper, it must be like a film that gives you like a no? No, no, no.

So in it lasts for like, I think it's like 12 hours or 10 hours. So you put these eye drops in. So the problem with people reading, when they start to get older and they have trouble reading things up close, is the muscles of the eye, the ones that constrict the pupil, start to become less flexible and you start to lose that ability. So you might have good vision far away, but then when you look up close,

your eye can't adjust and, you know, reduce light or I don't know what happens if your pupil's grow or just is listening intently, right? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah, so, like squeezing my eyes. But the people on the podcast don't ever get the season, but would Justin's like this all the time, whenever he's

thinking hard. Yeah, when it's his turn to look at the notes, he's like, I don't know. Like, where is his going? It's like an old man, Joe. Do you have the worst eyes out of all of this? For sure, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean. Do you have the worst eyes that I'm on with? For sure. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, are you far from here? Well, what color are your eyes? What color are your eyes? Color? Yeah. Can you see them? Well, no. Well, I can't now.

We'll see. We'll see. Well, I see. Well, no, people are light. I feel like these are hurting. Are you on my eye color? Maybe I'll be the other for light. No, you know that.

Somebody, like Justin has lighter brown. Someone who has lighter color eyes is way more likely to have eye problems than someone who has dark color eyes. You know that? Oh, is that because the UV goes in and Oh, you didn't know that. Oh, look up. I know that like my fair skin and like red head I know specifically has a higher pain

threshold. Oh, I gotta say something cool. He's all over the whims. I could take it and more pain. Yeah, maybe Andrew could look at for us and Doug stepped out in the middle of our podcast. I think I know. I think I had diarrhea. We lost our Google.

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We got to see what happens, Doug. We got to back up. You've been running just lots of jobs. What does that say right there? Can you expand up on that right there? Although brightness may be an issue for light eyed people, it is not directly related to the quality of their eyes and eyesight.

I still got quality. In general, science has not found evidence that people with darker eyes have intently better vision than those with a paler eyes. Oh, so not better vision, but they're more likely to have to wear glasses. They have like, what? Is that the same thing?

No, I don't think it that the same thing? No. No, I don't think it's the same thing. Cause it's, cause what you're saying is what it's saying right now, is that you do UV rays. Doug, if you, you know that people with like eyes are more likely to have to wear,

wear eye glasses than people with dark eyes. Like eye glasses for scene? Yes. Well, hold on. Yeah, I do not know. Look what I'm reading right now. How's your stomach feel, Doug? Is that, did you have a good one?

Yeah, I know. No, I had a phone call. I did. So the second part, look at this says, this means that dark eyed people, so there's another part that says that dark eyes excelled at reactive tasks while those with light eyes were better at self-paced tasks. So this means that dark eyed people

score better in areas like hitting balls and playing defense while light eyed people scored highly when it came to throwing balls, bowling or hitting golf balls. in areas like hitting balls and playing defense. While light-eyed people scored highly when it came to throwing balls, bowling or hitting golf balls. I don't know if that's true, did I? It was a defender, so I just, you know. Yeah, I'm gonna do my own homework on that liar.

Yeah, well, anyway, these eye drops, you put them in your eyes, and it improves your ability to read at close distance. So it could eliminate the need for reading glasses with the eye drops. That's a trip. It is, right? Now it just got FDA approved,

so I don't know if I would necessarily wanna put this in my eyeballs to see what happens. Yeah, later you find out it's just like eroding your eyeballs. Yeah, it's listen to good idea. I don't have to work that 10 years later. Yeah, so what Andrew, what are you pulling up here? The first article I pull up says, how eye color impacts your eyeballs. Yeah. Yeah. You can listen to good ideas. I don't have to work loud 10 years later. Yeah. Andrew, what do you point up here? The first article I pull up says,

how eye color impacts your vision. Your eye color is unique to you. In fact, no, two people have these X-E eyes. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, one of the most distinguishing characteristics to people is a big part of this, our expert. Light versus dark. I love the light.

Blah, Zip. No, no, do. I want you know what it is. I clicked on it and then it brought me to another point. Yeah, yeah, the head right there. Yeah, the head right there. Yeah, dude. I used to, whether you have lighter dark colored eyes, your eye color does actually have an

impact on your vision. Okay. If you have a lighter eye color, your eyes are more sensitive to light because you have less pigment and, yeah, melanin. For UV. And you're, and rises to protect your eyes from the sun. And that was the only logic. And this means that you could have a greater risk of degeneration and that you might find yourself squint protect your eyes from the sun. This means that you could have a greater risk

of degeneration and that you might find yourself squinting more outside during the day. So yes, it does. I'm a squinter. Now I'm gonna, I'm gonna, and if you have darker eyes, you can, we are more often with stand high glare lights better than light-colored eyes can.

More likely to wear out, eyeglasses. You have really dark eyes, Adam. One, very mysterious. Look into the camera. You're all making that quick. Yeah, you just like a shark. Like a, oh my god. Whoa. Very mysterious. Look into the camera. You're all making that quick. Yeah, you just like a shark. Oh my god.

Whoa. So exotic. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna admit now I cheated because I had lacic eye surgery. Oh, come on. Wait, long time ago. I actually had it like maybe 15 years ago. Do you know that?

No. Yeah, I did. I had really bad, I was really bad at looking at seeing things far away. Yeah. And that's where I'm at. I went in and got it done and it's still good. My eyes now are 20, last time I got a check was 2010

and when I in 2015 and the other. Which is really good. Nobody really cares. That has nothing to do with the argument. Great staff. You're right. You're right. I wish this was as few as great commercial.

Yeah, I mean, it's a chance. You could totally tie it. I would have been a good commercial for that. Yeah, but I don't know we were gonna make it. I mean, I got prescription. I wear all the time. Like if I'm reading, that was a random. I got prescription, I wear all the time, like if I'm reading. I just thought that was a random one.

I got something cool to tell you guys. Okay, let's hear it. I found out about a compound that has profound effects on the pump. That we don't know about? Water. Glutathione. Glutathione?

Glutathione. Why is this like the wonder drug all of a sudden? Because it's COVID, all kinds of stuff. It's the massacres. It's the cannabis of 20, 22. Yeah, it's really doing well. It's the master antioxidant. It actually increases the amount of nitric oxide

and they did studies on this. There was a study on glutathione that showed that people who supplemented with it who exercised had better strength gains as well. I swear to God, not making this up. It's in the video of being the show notes. Look at that. Really?

Yes. I mean, is it like a correlation leap though? I mean, is it just like, really? No, it's like a direct effect. Yes, not a reminder. So, like, how many versions are at, because I know the most effective one that we use is those packets from live on, right?

Lipelzomal. Yeah, so it's like a gel, and it's rough to get through it. But like, are there other like versions out there that like our competitors that are like in a drink or are like Pillful. Yeah, well the problem with glutathione is that the original studies done it showed all these benefits But they were all done intravenously so people had to go directly to the blood because when you consume it It's destroyed in the gut and it doesn't get to your system So the old way of increasing glutathione in your blood was the supplement with NAC, which stands for NS Sittle Sistine, I think.

And by the way, that's the supplement the FDA now said, can't be sold over the counter because there were some studies showing it. It's effective. Let's get rid of it. Yeah, it's effective against a certain type of biorextrotor. What are you guys doing all the wrong commercials today? What's going on? You read the same show notes, I'm reading.

Yeah. No, no. We're going to work our way through all the partners, but the commercial doesn't align. No, I see that's going to be real real information. No, no, actually, we'll live on, we'll be mentioning the in the middle of this episode. But nonetheless, the glutathione you want,

liposomal meaning it's surrounded by a fat, so it's protected, and studies show that liposomal glutathione you want, liposomal meaning it's surrounded by a fat, so it's protected, and studies show that liposomal glutathione does significantly raise glutathione in the blood. Okay, now, take it an hour before work, I've been doing it, and I can tell. I sort of got it. So I took mine today, now what's your recommendation for just like, should you take one of those little packets a day, or I know when we were worried that everyone was sick in the house, you told me to jump it up to two or three times a day.

I mean, what's kind of like the generic recommendation for that? Just one packet a day, but the key is to have your glutathione levels be high before you get sick. So once you're sick and then you're trying to get it to go up, it doesn't make sense. Better than nothing. But it makes sense, so then it does make sense for me to maybe do it to, because Katrina maxed both woke up sick, and I'm fine, I don't feel anything coming on yet, but I should probably double triple up your same, right?

And what else are there? It's because I know they get the vitamin C and what's the other one that you have us doing. You got me doing the green packet, the, which one do you want to like? I love giving out a purple packet, and then I think the gray one. I'm having a green one.

I'm having a C little Elkhornate. Yes. I'm having you take the glut A Cedar Elkhornate. Yes. I'm having you take the glutathione and the vitamin C pack. Yes. So those three still. Yeah, you just take all three. And then the B complex, you could take two. That one's actually, that one actually tastes kind of good.

It's glutathione. I don't know what I mean. Yeah, it's not offensive. In comparison. Yeah, okay. Yeah, if you compare the two, then there might be a Taurus midget. Anyway, so Adam had a great time in Arizona with you at the Ancline event.

Dude, that was really good. Yeah, tell me about it because obviously I had a little bit of foam out there. So you guys got to know. Really? Because he brought that up and I said, actually, I take that completely back. Okay, as I didn't want to do anything with it. See, see, wait a minute. Now you have to be careful for line like that because him and I actually got a little

bit of a debate in the, yeah. I wanted to go to go hang out and like you know watch and be part of it But I didn't want to go speak. I was right. I definitely didn't want to do So here's what I said here's what I hate because we doing that because we went to go speak on stage and you know Adam and I Whatever we like you know people looking at us. I guess and so we went up there did the thing And Come on bro only one of us posed on stage know, people looking at us, I guess. And so we went up there, did the thing. And you took me into that with you. But come on, bro. Only one of us posed on stage in a little short. Oh man.

All right. A snap. Not at the NCI event, Doug, this one he was competing. Oh, I see. Yeah, he didn't do that there. I guess everybody for you. He was a, no. No, so.

That was all there, picture me in little booty shorts. Yeah, I said, let's bring Justin because, and even Doug, because this is all coaches and trainers, right? And this is who we talk to on the podcast all time. And afterwards they wanted to come up and ask us questions and meet us. And like, man, this would have been great if we had the whole crew. And I said, fuck that, they wouldn't want to be here.

Yeah. And he's an, he argue with me. And I said, well, if they want to come and I'll stay, that's fine with me. I said, I rather be in Palm Desert, sitting around a pool right now. He's probably, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was doing. Yeah. And, and hiking is perfect weather. It was great time. Anyways, tell's fine with me. I'd rather be in Palm Desert, sit around a pool right now. He's probably, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was doing.

Yeah. And hiking is perfect weather. It was great time. Anyways, tell me about you guys. It was great, man. It was a room full of, I was like 200 something coaches and trainers. These are our people.

And he packed the house, man. Yeah, yeah. It was like, when we got there, there was no chairs, people standing around the wall. The building was completely, in fact, he was probably over the occupancy and the wall, the building was completely, in fact, he was probably over the occupancy, and the fire marshal probably would've got him in trouble

if they would've found out. But how many speakers were there besides you guys and Jason? What would you say, eight to 10? I think so. Something like that. Well, it was three days too, so maybe even more, maybe 12 to 15 of them. So a lot of the other people that spoke besides Sal and I

are people in the coaching group that have gone through it and had like tremendous success. So what he would do is basically have them come up and tell their story like, oh, you know, I started coaching with Jason a year ago and now my business is doing six figures or I'm making all this money. So they come up and they kind of talk all about that.

And Sal spoke on the first day and then I spoke on the second day and then we left. I was most surprised with, so we did this two years ago. Yeah, it was two or three years ago now. So two or three years ago. Yeah, it might have been three years ago. Yeah, and this is really the first time that we've been out since Ohio trip

for our, what you're gonna call it? Live event. Yeah, our live event. So it's been two years since we've kind of been out. And the shows had a lot more growth, right? Since then. And I could, because it was like in the exact same place, similar event, he had even more people there, I wasn't anticipating that many like mind pump fans, like everybody.

The whole room, when Sal got up there and asked how many people listened to the show, literally the whole room raised their hand. Well, I mean, that's our people. I mean, trainers and coaches are the ones that are really making, we know this because we did this. They're the ones making race or hand. Well, I mean, that's sick. That's our people. I mean, trainers and coaches are the ones that are really making... We know this because we did this. They're the ones making the big changes and when it comes to health and fitness. And if we could speak to them, for them to make those big changes

with people, I mean, that's phenomenal. But it was a lot of fun. This one couple come. Everybody was great, by the way. I loved everybody. But at one point, there was this couple that came up and they're both coaches. And the wife shakes my hand.

She goes, I just just wanna let you know. You're gonna roll her into the back. No, that's good, no, that's good. She goes, I just wanna let you know, I love your show, I listen to every episode. You know you're getting a shit sandwich when it starts like that. She goes, but I disagree with a lot of the stuff you say

in regards to like economics and politics or whatever, so I'm like, okay. So then afterwards, I asked her what it was and we had this nice discussion. So I'm like, okay. So then afterwards, ask your what it was and we had this nice discussion. But you know what it highlighted to me? It highlighted to me how valuable health and fitness is. It's this growth model, this personal growth mechanism that doesn't matter where you come from.

I don't care what your political beliefs are. I don't care what your religious beliefs are. I don't care what your religious beliefs are. All these other controversial areas of life, everybody can agree on improving your health and the methods to do so. And there's some polarization in fitness and health too, especially recently, but it's not like other spaces. So it's great that she disagrees with some of the stuff I say,

but listens to every episode and loves the fitness and health stuff. One of my favorite things about a space that, I remember all my clients, they were so different from each other. But we all agreed on that. I don't know that I had many clients that I can completely agree with with all that kind of stuff,

but it was just about getting better and improving and self-improvement, and you had that common ground the whole time, so it didn't matter. Oh, I think that's what has led all of us to be kind of like we are, because I was the same. My clients that I had the common ground the whole time, so it didn't matter. Oh, I think that's what has led all of us to be kind of like we are because I was the same. My clients that I had the longest actually died totally, was socially and politically like we didn't see eye to eye at all.

But I liked that. Yeah, like I actually- So do I, I never held that again, you know, really, I never held that again, so you might- No, it helped me learn. It helped me learn. It helped me learn. If you hang out with all people that agree with you, right?

A lot of times you get caught up in the rhetoric and it's just bullshit, you close each other and it's like you're not really versus me listening to someone who totally disagrees without not getting to hear how they dismantle my point of view and then either want to either strengthen my point of view or changes my mind. And I think that I really like that as a trainer,

getting people that were much smarter than I am who disagree with me. I learned a lot that way trainer, getting people that were, I thought were much smarter than I am, who disagree with me, I learned a lot that way, so I enjoyed that. It's just a very positive, especially if you communicate it right, and you have good intentions, you really want to help people. It's a very positive space, so the fact that we have such a wide range of people that listen to the show regularly, who are interested in health and fitness,

even though they disagree with us in certain things, I think it speaks volumes of the space that we're in. And it was nice because again, we're talking to a room full of coaches and trainers. And here's the beautiful and challenging thing about working in the fitness space we've said this before. It's, if your goal is to make a ton of money, you pick the wrong space.

Not that you can't be successful in the fitness and health space, but if you just want to make money, get in the finance or tech,, but if you just want to make money getting finance or tech The reason why people work in our space and choose it as a career is for two one It changed their life significantly at some point in fact at one point during my talk I told people raise your hand and tell me Why you got into this space to begin with and people were sharing the craziest stories. Like, I saved my life. And I was really obese and I had these body image issues

and it helped me and then I want to help others with it. And then the second part is you have a passion for helping people. So it's like you do this and you have all this purpose and meaning behind it. And then the second part is, okay, let me figure out how to make you support myself doing this. So it's a great space to work in.

And that's one of the reasons why I love, you know, talking to trainers and coaches. Doug would have freaked out if he was there because I did what he hates. I went deep into like all the, Oh, you care about it? I told everybody. I told everybody,

I know how much money we make. This is what we make here. This is what we make here. This is what we make here. He gave away everything. Everything. And I mean, he was like, and Doug, he was like, exact.

He, he, he, he, he, there was no vagueness. He was in the teeth. There was no vagueness. There was no vagueness whatsoever. He was like, if Doug gets audited this year. Talked about Doug's and Lambo. Well, you know what's funny. You're mad at Doug and he gets this house in the Cayman Islands. If anybody's gonna get a Lambo, it's gotta be Doug.

It is good to be dead. But he will tell you, but he will. He'll partner in some other house. Totally silent. Very gold. You know what though? Actually, he will. He'll park it at some other house. He'll totally silence it. Very gold. You know what though? Actually, Sal and I both started our talk the same way, which is like, I try to think about what would I want

to hear from these guys if I was in their shoes. And he went one way, but I thought the exact same way too. And what I would want to know is about the business. Like, okay, I look up to these guys, I listen to their show, I want to build something like them. And so I see all these different things that they're involved in. So where are you making most of your money?

Aren't you having a lot of success with what are your failures and all those things? So that's where I went. I went that way. It's just like, let it all out for everybody. Like this is what's been really success for us. These are things that may you miss. There's the mistakes that we made. You may think we're making a lot of money here

or have you success here, but we did it or we're not. And so I kind of like, I just laid it all out there and then turned mine more into like an interactive queue. Although I wrote something completely different when I got there and realized that, oh, all these people know who we are and what we're doing already. So I felt like the best thing I could give them

was just more insight to how I appreciate it. Everybody loves transparency like that. Yeah, I mean, I got, I got, I got tagged on 15 different things of people saying that like I cannot believe how much transparency that he had or what he talked about. Like so, and I feel like everybody keeps

that so close to the chest. Totally. Yeah, I think that almost is a sign in my, for me personally. Now there's boasting, which is what Doug, you know, doesn't like it. And that's not what you were doing, right? There's like the whole, there's boasting, which is what Doug doesn't like, and that's not what you were doing, right? There's like the whole, I make this whatever,

which is stupid, and I see people in our space doing that as well. But then there's this side, which is, if I was a new person in the space, and I was trying to build business, and I see someone that I think is successful, I would kill for that information. Like, what does that look like, and how does that work?

And the vagueness that people have sometimes in that scenario, it's weakness, it's how it comes across. Like they're afraid, it would be like, if you went up to someone and you're like, man, how did you develop such amazing arms? I'm like, well, they don't wanna tell you. I don't want you to build arms too,

because I got, you know what I mean? It's like that weak- Well, I just think about what it's been like for us to build the YouTube channel and like a peril. These are two like very common ways that people in our space try and make money. And they're like two of the worst ways we've made money in this business.

So I just feel like that's really good information. If I'm thinking I'm gonna get in the space, I see what my pump's doing. Oh, they got a half a million plus subscribers on one channel. They got another one that's growing at 150. I bet they're making this much money on that. They got all these cool clothes they're always wearing, but they're in another one that's growing at 150. I bet they're making this much more than that. They got all these cool clothes,

they're always wearing it, but they're in like, it's like, no. Because you had the influencers and the mastermind people that take advantage of that. People think that's where you're gonna make all your money. And so you'll get into this class, they'll show you how to get a lot of followers. A lot of people like subscribing

and all those things and all the hacks. And then you find out it's not really closing people on anything. Yeah, I'll tell you what's funny though, whenever we do stuff like this, which we haven't done in a while, but I always catch at least a couple people doing this. Though, so what happens is, and we made this mistake, so people afterwards I want to come and talk to us and maybe take a picture. And it's, we separate something which is stupid because then people end up going, yeah, we should stay

together. But anyway, I'll hear people come up to, and I caught a couple people that come up to me, like, , Sal, you're my favorite host or whatever. And then I'll see I'm talking to Adam. Adam, you're my favorite host. And like, Hey, hold on. Oh, yeah, you lied to me. Yeah, the safety to be. Yeah. I've seen that happen. So fun. Yeah. And then one other thing, I know we're supposed to talk about, or gain a fight. This is

true now. I had a guy come up to me. Just you say this is true now, that implies everything you just said before. Well, the rest was alive. We were all the others that was bullshit, but this is true. We weren't Arizona. No, I had this trainer come up and he's like, oh, I know you the supplement guy.

He goes, what's the one supplement you take consistently? And I said, well, Crayoneteen, that's number one. And then number two was the green juice. And he was shocked. He's like, really you take the organified green juice? I said, that's actually one of the one of the only supplements that is a regular rotation. And so he's asking me why, and I'm like, well, it helps my digestion. I feel really good taking it. It's just a general supplement that I take makes me feel good. Now, what do you say to the people out there that try and shit on the green juices? Because that's one of those ones that's a little controversial.

Like, people think that it's a waste of money and it's crap and it's why would you do that. Like, and by the way, I think we've always made it very clear. Like, you're always better off eating real vegetables and whole food. That's why. Right, so that's where that's the issue is. It's hard to do all the time.

Yeah, like, if there's one thing that I probably don't do well enough on my diet is have a nice wide variety of vegetables. I tend to get stuck in this like three vegetable rotator. Well, I think you're actually very normal. I think that's, with you prep your food, vegetables tend to be the thing that you lack, like prepping. It'll be like broccoli all over.

Sagi vegetables two days old, they're terrible. You have to do a day of, or exactly. So it's hard to get enough. Well, yeah, and two, after listening to Zach, when he's talking about gut bacteria, how to make sure you keep it diverse, and keep that up, that's hard to do. You have to really rotate and make sure

that you're getting all these kind of nutrients coming in to feed different types of bacteria. Yeah, and I could get stuck in the body builder mentality just because it's simple, where it's like the same foods all that I can easily, and with vegetables, that's the worst. So I'll have like broccoli or asparagus or sometimes spinach, but it's usually broccoli or asparagus all the time, all the time.

And so what the, I think the green juice just has variety. And I guess that makes me feel good. Well, that's fine. I was talking to our aganify people at our party and I was like just raving about pure because it literally is like, I am like so hooked on it. And it's just because it's, I mean, I'm a stimulant guy already.

I don't need any more stimulants at the throw on top of what I'm doing. And I just need more clarity. I need more focus. I need like, you know, something to keep me sort of here, you know, in the present moment and it's really been one of the things. It's just kind of which, by the way, Justin comes in this morning, right? And you know, he drinks, I don't know, two cups of coffee, probably by the way, by the

time he's here. Yeah. I've never seen anybody drink caffeine during their workout. So it's not even pretty workout. He grabs a drink and it's like 300 milligrams caffeine. And it's refreshing. It's refreshing. Halfway through their workout. So it's not even pre-workout. He grabs a drink and it's like 300 milligrams caffeine. And it's refreshing. Halfway through his workout, I start drinking. I'm like, did you do a pre-workout for tomorrow?

Like, why do you do more caffeine, Brian? Yeah, it's just, I'm at that point. You know, speaking of the pure thing, you know, be kind of a fun experiment because it's actually been a while since I've consistently taken that. And I remember we talked about like when we first started trying it a lot, like the buildup effect of it. Yeah, I really noticed it when we were podcasting. And since I haven't for

a while, this would be another good time for me to get consistent again. So you should next time, you should start how we used to do it. Remember we used to all drink it before we start the podcast. Now that I I haven't done it a long time, I'd like to kind of tease that out and see if I notice a difference in when we when we pod. Yeah, let's do that. Also, maybe the specifics of I pigment and all that. Yeah, that's time. By the way, it gets you got time magazines person of a year. Huh? Someone we know?

Well, I mean, everybody knows this person. Everybody knows this person, but. Jeffrey Epstein. I saw, I saw funny, you long must. Oh, really? And you know what? Oh, people are mad. Oh, there's some people. Really angry. Oh, people are mad. Oh, there's some people are really angry.

Oh, people are mad about what he just recently said about the, about the relief on the, what do you, he just, oh yeah, it's talking about the huge spending bill. Yeah. And he was you're taking the money away from people who allocate resources very efficiently effectively. And you're giving it to the one entity that has a proven track record of terrible allocation. Yes. For the listener, simplify what that means. Because I think that's such a great point. And I was listening to a podcast that was talking about that. And it is so true.

It is. So when you, first of all, nobody will spend money worse than the person who pays no consequences for spending it poorly. Meaning the government. Right. They just don't pay any, in fact, when they spend more money poorly, they make the case for more funding the next year

because they say it's a money issue. In comparison to really a blinder being. something out of nothing is what you would say. Yeah, absolutely. And not only that, but asset allocation or resource allocation, it's really important. Look at the cost. I forgot where it was. I think it was Seattle. They had this program to house the homeless.

And there was this private organization that was doing it. And then there was the government, the city that was doing it. And I think the cost per room or whatever from the city was something like 10 times more expensive than what this charity private organization can do because of the amount of waste that they that they produce. So that's what he said it pissed off a lot of people but he's the person of the year. Actually surprised that they named him because he's so controversial. Yeah, that is crazy. Yeah, that guy swears my favorite.

Even though I think Tesla stock is super bloated and doesn't match anything, and he's fundamentals, Elon is a- I mean, it matches fundamentals of betting on a founder. 100%. That's it right there. Yeah, it's because it's him. If he was gone, I don't think it would.

Oh, definitely. In fact, I would think this stock would fucking tank if he were to all sudden decide I'm out of Tesla. It would plummet. Yeah, I mean, I think that's everybody is banking on that is that he isn't done here. You know, he'll do that and then he'll go on to do something else and so it's a smart thing.

He's literally, he's Tony Stark. He's a real world Tony Stark. We need Elon. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the show. Look, we have a partner called Livon Labs. They make some of the best supplements you'll find anywhere, mainly because they put the supplements in a way to where your body will actually utilize and absorb them.

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And if you get on there and buy any product, you'll get a sample of all six of their products for free just cause you listen to mine pump. All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from Mitch B. Smith. What are some ways to improve mind muscle connection? You know that the mind muscle connection is something that bodybuilders talk about all the time, right?

It's being able to feel a muscle, a target muscle through the range of motion, particular exercise. They've actually done studies to show that people can improve the, or increase the amount of muscle fibers that fire in muscles that they start to improve this connection to. So this is a good thing to focus on.

This is where the value, the big value in isolation exercises comes from, in my opinion. Isometric, I mean. Isometric and isolation. Yeah, say isometric are incredible. Excellent. So like compound lifts use so many different muscles

that if you have a hard time, like for example, feeling your chest in a bench press, one of the best things you could do in my opinion is either an isometric squeeze of the chest or like a cable fly or something that isolates the chest. So you could feel it and then do your compound lift. So I think isometrics or isolation, slowing the exercise down, going lighter.

Those would be my three. A single joint going slow slow, and really paying attention to the feel. The first time I read this question, I remember it was at the rock, where it was just like, focus! Yeah, it was like, just yells it out in the gym, but I think that people don't realize

that's a major factor. We just kind of get in the rhythm, and we get in the momentum of moving and exercising, and we don't really pay attention You know to what's at hand and also to if there is like a lagging body part or there's a lack of connectivity You can increase that by simply, you know really hyper focusing on the squeeze and you know getting you know that recruitment process like more honed in on the only thing I would add to what you guys are is practice I mean when you think about an athlete who gets really good at throwing a ball that recruitment process more honed in on. The only thing I would add to what you guys are, is practice.

I mean, when you think about an athlete who gets really good at throwing a ball, that's improving your mind muscle connection. The ability to throw a perfect spiral, super hard, like Tom Brady does with the accuracy, a lot of that mind muscle is improved mind muscle connection over years and years of throwing the ball and lots of repetition.

So isometric isolation exercises and then just flat out practicing that movement with the understanding of what your desired outcome is. So when desired outcome is, I want to squat, I want to fill it in my glutes. So doing those things that we're talking about, isometric exercises to get the glutes to fire, but then also just practicing that movement,

knowing I'm trying to fire the glutes. I'm glad you said that at the end because throwing a practicing to throw a football better would be more like mind to movement connection, right? Versus mind to muscle, which mind to muscle doesn't necessarily mean better movement. Like what I mean by that is a power lifter is constantly focusing on how to improve the efficiency and the leverage of a squat. They really don't care if they feel in the quads, glutes, hands. It's like how can I squat more weight, how can I improve the leverage of a squat. They really don't care if they feel in the quads,

glutes, hands. It's like, how can I squat more weight? How can I improve the skill of my squat so I can lift more? Versus someone who's like, man, I want to really build my butt. I can't feel my butt. It's not so much about using more leverage

or it's about feeling the target muscle, which is a different- Creating muscle tension. But like you said, I'm practicing the connection often, right? So like if you have a poor connection to a muscle, every time you train this muscle with all the exercises, that should be the focus. Can I feel it?

Can I feel it? Not how much weight you lifted or how great your performance was, rather how much better can I get this muscle to- And even when you're not exercising, right? So that's what's great about things like trigger sessions. If you are practicing just activating that muscle, even with no resistance, what is only gonna make you better

with that mind muscle connection. Next question is from Tyler Cortez, are wrist wraps helpful long-term or more detrimental? We used to debate this a lot at the beginning. I think for the average person, detrimental. I could see value in advanced bodybuilders and lifters who don't have to use them. That's a good way to put it, I think.

Yeah, but I think the average person, what they do is, first of all, they disengage the grip. So you're not strength, and by the way, your grip should be able to support pretty much any lift you do. This is one of the strongest parts of the human body is your ability to hold onto things. I mean, we evolved, we're primates for goodness sake. So this is very strong,

but you're gonna make your hands not strong enough to support your exercises if you're constantly using something that helps you hold onto the bar and studies show that wrist wraps or straps or whatever you call them, the things that you, go around your wrist and go around the bar, change recruitment patterns, all the way up to the shoulder.

Changes the way you fire your muscles to accomplish that task. And I think that if you don't realize that, it just, you naturally, wow, this feels a lot easier. And I feel like I can, you don't really get a better hold and a better grasp on more weight, but it doesn't translate then after not having wrist straps on. So now I've said, I feel like I can do that

80 pound dumbbell, no problem, but guess what? Now there's a big weak link in that chain that goes all the way up into your arm. So now early on in the podcast, I used to debate you guys a little bit on this, it's not because I don't disagree with everything you just said, because I do agree, 100% agree. But then at the same time too, you might catch me using wrist wraps.

Well, you were competing. You were a bodybuilder. And that's why the way you started it, I think, over time we've refined how we present this message. And I think that's a perfect way to say it. It's like, for the most people in the general population, it's going to hinder them. It's not ideal for them at all, and you should avoid it at all cost.

But for an advanced lifter who has very specific goals and has got a great developed physique, there's some application for it. And there's been plenty of times in my career where I've pulled them out to use them because I don't want my forearms to be the limiting factor. And even though, yes, practicing with a grip would be better for my grip, but I'm a bodybuilder. I'm trying to get my rear delt at that moment to fire. I don't

care if my forearms aren't firing or getting developed at that moment. I'm trying to develop a very specific thing and I don't want anything else to get in the way of that. And so there's times when there's some application, but talking to the general population, and by the way, I haven't used wrist wraps in a couple of years. Well, you're not bodybuilding. Yeah, I don't care right now. Right now, I'm not like into the body sculpting thing right now. I'm just training to be healthy and fit. And because of that, if I can't hold on to something that's over 350 pounds, I don't deadlift it. Yeah. Because so it does because it doesn't matter to me anymore. Yeah, here's the places

I say that are probably where people will use it, right? So high-level body builders who are doing these high-volume workouts, they're doing 20 sets for back and they're already really well developed and they know how to isolate and squeeze and they get plenty of hand and grip work and everything else that they do. Strong man competitors use wrist wraps often because the competitions allow them to sometimes. Right. So you'll often see them do these lifts. Power lifters.

Yeah, power lifters don't use them because power lifters have to use their grip. Well, the competitive power lifters, yeah, but you see here we can worry you guys doing this. Yes, yes, that's a big problem. It's an ego lift for those ones. Yes, now I use them rarely, but here's when I'll use them. Let's say I'm going to do a heavy stiff leg of deadlift. I'm not working my upper body and trying to work my hamstrings So and I have 400 pounds on the bar and I already did a conventional deadlift early in the week

What I'm trying to do there is actually use my arms last. Well, that's my rear delex Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are trying you are trying to isolate even though it's impossible to isolate a muscle But you're trying to put as much emphasis on your hamstrings Yeah, and what you don't want is your forearms to limit you. Or over train my forearms. And because you're an advanced lifter who has got a balanced physique

and has strong forearms, then to me it makes sense. And that's how I felt when we used to talk about this early in the podcast, you guys used to give me shit all the time and I'd be like, well listen, I feel like I can defend why I use it because I don't use it all the time, but then there have been specific moments. but when we're talking to the general population I think most people is caution because either way you look at it you're gonna cause dysfunction

And that's just something that you're gonna have to work your way back and you're gonna have to prepare and Eventually it's gonna sneak up and bite you in the ass So if you are competitive with it, there's a window for that. Sure, but you have to ask yourself too, what's a lesser evil? Someone to do an over-under grip on a deadlift or a wrist-wrapped deadlift? Depends who it is. Most people, I would say,

use your switch or over-under back and forth. Which nobody does, right? Unless you're us or top-up. But who have you seen over the whole time? A lot of people do over-under and to go max-lift, us. Yes, you're right. But who have you seen over the whole time? A lot of people do over under and to go max lift and I would, and I used to, okay, I'm guilty of this, but looking back now, I actually probably should, I would have rather, because the issues that I have are shoulder and upper back stuff.

Because you always kept the same hands right. That's right. And so since I'm not switching back and forth, which most people don't, I probably would have been better off of using wraps in that situation. This is why I switched to hook grip, but it took me six months to get my hook grip to be able to handle the weight that I could use

with an alternate grip. Yeah, I've never given clients wrist wraps. Either of I. Yeah, I've never had them using at all. And by the way, bodybuilders, don't care about function. That's the other thing we need to realize. Yeah, I've never had them using at all. And by the way, body builders, don't care about function. That's the other thing we need to realize. Yes, yes, no factor. No, they don't care.

Oh, great, great. It's changing the recruitment pattern in my shoulders or, okay, my hands can't handle the 20 sets I do from my back. I don't care. I'm going on stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it doesn't matter. Next question is from just a girl in her Jeep.

Should I use a weight belt or just work on strengthening my core and proper breathing? Very similar question. Very similar question. If you're going to use a belt in competition, then you're going to want to train with a belt because it's a specific skill and it's a specific core recruitment pattern.

Everybody else avoid belts. By the way, this is coming from someone who uses a weight belt when I do heavy Deadlifts or squats. Why do I use a belt for heavy deadlifts and squats? I did it for so long that I don't feel like taking two years out of my training to train myself to not use it That's a little how long it'll take. I've been training since I was a kid and when I was I think I was 15 or 16 That's the story I talk about when I ran into those powerlifters. And they're the ones that, oh, you gotta use a belt, whatever. So then from 16 till, you know, now I've been using this belt

and I've gone through stints without using it. And I know it would literally take me a couple years of training without a belt and I don't care at this point. But to the average person, you're better way better off developing the type of course stability that you need to train without a belt. And it's different. When your core braces without a belt,

it's a different recruitment pattern than when it braces with a belt. When it braces with a belt, it pushes out against the belt. That does not do that. We don't have a belt. You see that, is I'm probably in the opposite, where I've actually done, it's been maybe since high school where last time

I've really like trained with a belt and like heavy squats and like I feel like I've lost that ability to brace that way by pushing out. And so that would be like so unnatural for me that it would like take me forever to go through the process of, you know, like working in that, you know, when I squat. So I think, again, this is, this is one of those things. Like if you're competing with it, it makes sense. And it's just at one of those things. I don't think that you need it if you train and develop it all the way up without one.

But there's, again, there's places for it. Yeah, this is the same answer for me as the last question. Again, the last time I've used a belt, you probably can look back on my Instagram and actually see, because I would do post of showing the audience, like, hey, I'm using a belt today, just to test my strength, right? I don't care about that right now.

I'm not trying to, I'm nowhere near my top strength on any of my lifts right now. So I haven't used a belt in whatever that post is. I'm gonna guess it's been well over a year or two since I've probably used it. But again, intermittently, I used that just like straps. There's been times when it's same just like my shoes. For the most part, 90% of my training is flat shoes

or barefoot and strapless and beltless. But all four of those things utilize occasionally. And a lot of times I do it because purely for ego, I wanna see what I can put up that day. I wanna see if I have a little bit of support underneath my heels, so it doesn't stress my ankle mobility as much, I got plenty of room, I wanna feel that. Sometimes I wanna throw the belt on

and maybe stack an extra 50 pounds on there just to feel that heavy ass weight. Sometimes I lifted really, really heavy the day before, my forearms are fine, but I still want to rip dead lifts and I get the straps out, but very, very rarely, especially right now since my goals are not geared around aesthetics or strength really right now. It's more about health. And then back to a point, one of you made already, I've never had a client utilize about or straps. I've only had a couple. Yeah, now you've done a lot of work with your incomeability and that's been more secure

and you've got the daps to go with that and everything. Now, in terms of each one of those aids, which one do you think now after putting work in, you'd probably see the most help from that aid versus maybe one doesn't have quite as much of an impact. Oh, that's a really interesting question. And one, I think we would have to first break down the lift. Right, so if we were talking.

It depends on the lift, huh? Right, yeah, so if it's a dead lift, the belt, you've got to be on the straps. Yeah, the straps. Yeah, arguably the straps, because I'd say right now, my limiting factor of doing 400 pounds would not be my core or back, it would be my hands probably couldn't hold 400 pounds right now but I think my back and hamstrings and glutes are strong enough.

The shoes are big. We're way bigger than I ever thought. Sal introduced me to heels. Sorry. Yeah. He got ironically the heels of the shoe guys. Yeah. Yeah, so I had never I had never used squat shoes in my life before at this is where this is pre-Adam knows He has a ankle mobility problem, right? So I didn't I didn't recognize it yet and I thought that's so weird what why are these help? I did it and I was like whoa I felt so much more comfortable But that also what what led me to realize like oh shit I have an issue with ankle mobility just just all he did was raise my heels up

and also in the squat felt better. Same here, I did him and I'm like, why am I squatting better? Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, that's why I have flat feet. So now when I actually, so to get to your point, Justin, if I go back, like let's say squatting right now,

because I can get really good de-adept barefoot right now, pretty comfortably. It does feel a little more comfortable with squat shoes, because you obviously have, obviously have even more room, but I don't feel like I'm not adding any more weight really anymore because of the heels. We're in the path, this squash shoes would,

I could add more weight because of the squash shoes, not any more. The belt though, I can still get probably another 25 pounds up because of that, and so that would help me in squatting big time. Actually, so I feel the belt you brought up the lifting. The belt helps me more squatting. The straps would help me more with dead lifting for the so but very minimal and I don't care now. So I don't actually use any of them ever right now. Next question is from Cole Cosnic. Are there any proven benefits to taking

ashwaganda? Yeah, that's that's actually a pretty well studied supplement. It's got lots of benefits. It raises testosterone in men with low testosterone. And it's got this hormone. It's also in your green juice, you were talking about right? It is. It's in the organified green juice. They put ashwaganda in there. And it's got this hormone balancing effect to where

it's called an adaptogen because the negative effects that you get from a lot of stress can be quite blunted by supplementing with osha gland. It's almost like it gets your body utilized cortisol better so your body doesn't raise cortisol as much so they see studies that where it'll lower cortisol and high stress individuals. You see studies showing that it improves recovery and strength and muscle gains in athletes. It's one of those few natural supplements that has a pretty good effect.

Now, there may be cases where you don't wanna take Ashwaganda, I think if you have a night shade allergy or intolerance, you probably don't wanna supplement with Ashwaganda, but it's like, okay, so you know how jinxing is for Chinese medicine? Like jinxing is like the king of supplements or herbs or whatever in Chinese medicine. Oshwagand is like that for a revedic medicine.

It's one of those like vitality, libido, energy, strength, recovery, improves sperm motility and sperm production in men. So it's a pretty phenomenal supplement. One of the things that you'll probably, if you have everything else dialed in. This is an herb, like what kind of plant is this? Oh, I don't remember, I don't know what it looks like.

The plant is a root. I know it smells. It's, I think in fact, if you do the pure, I've had the pure stuff, which blows my mind again. You mean the liquid? Yeah, the liquid. Oh, it tastes like alcohol. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

like rubbing alcohol. They called it, I think if I'm not mistaken, they called it, I think if I'm not mistaken in aeravetic medicine, they call like horse piss or something like that because it's meld, really bad or they make comments. Yeah, I have the dropper at home. I got that before we started working with organifier and their green juice and it's like,

oh my god, it's gnarly. Yeah, it's, it's not a root, Doug? Yeah, it's a root. Oh, there it is right there. Mark one up. Look up, like, like, like, Ashrugandas, like, horse pee or horse something, because it was like this funny. Now, do you, uh, what, what's your thoughts on maybe that's why you feel so good on the green juice?

Do you think that, that may be playing, uh, as much or more of a role than the fact of you just getting your vegetables that you're, it's all of it. It's all, I love Ashruganda. It's a supplement that I'll cycle in to my supplement regime. You know what's really good with Ashruganda is a stimulant because it's got that natural stress balancing effect. So if you're taking like a really strong pre-workout, take like a little bit of Ashruganda with it and you get this nice balancing effect.

I notice recovery from it. Really, I can definitely increase my volume if I'm supplementing with ashwaganda. So it's a very interesting supplement. If you have issues with cortisol, you may want to get advice from a practitioner and expert because I know it definitely can change the way your body utilizes cortisol which may be one of the reasons why it's known as this kind of adaptogenic herb but yeah it's one of those if you think it'd be equal in terms of like mushrooms and their sort of adaptogenic yeah cordiceps type of an effect or is it a little bit even greater the studies are

better with ashwagagandha right now. Oh really? Yeah, you know what's interesting though, with herbs is that they can have a pretty interesting, different effect from person to person. So like, they call it red panics, ginseng, right? That's the like the real, because there's American ginseng,

those aren't real ginsengs, they call them that, but the real ginseng is this red panics kind of Chinese Jinxing. And it's got this, you know, supposed to be stimulating effect and it's got adaptive genetic properties. I take Jinxing and I feel, I don't feel good. It makes me hot and feverish and I feel kind of bogged down. I had a Chinese herbalist tell me that it was because I had a lot of yang energy and it just makes your yang go up even more and so I was unbalanced. That's the way they explained it.

Rhodiola can do that too. You're really hot, right? And this is how somebody described it to me. Something like that, right? Rhodiola's like that too. Rhodiola's a stimulant. It's got great studies. Not one of those stuff.

Rhodiola can make me feel like crap too. I feel like shit when I take that. Yeah, I've tried that so many times thinking. You and I both. Yeah, it can do that to me too. Oshwaganda, I feel great. But again, it's interesting with some of these herbs, how with some people they can feel great

and other people can't. And the reason why I'm saying this is, don't do what I did, which is, you know, when I was younger, I would read these studies and I would take the supplement and I'd be so hardheaded about it. So I'd be like, I feel like crap, but I'm gonna keep taking it. Not realizing like, oh, it's probably this herb that I'm taking

that's supposed to be great, but it's making me feel like right. You should find us like a super woo-woo person to come on here and like break down like all the herbs. You know what the problem is? Paramedic is practitioner. Yeah, someone like who's like a woo-woo and all of it, you know what I'm saying? They can just be like, what's his name? Tell us a little bit.

So practitioner guy that we've had on a couple of times. Oh, would you be able to break it down? You can do it in the room. Dr. Cabral is an expert. What's his name, tell us no practitioner guy that we've had on a couple of times. Oh, would you be able to break a name for raw? Steve McIntyre. Dr. Cobrall is an expert. You know what the problem is, is that if they talk in aeravetic terms or they talk in Chinese medicine terms, people will scoff it. Well, they're going to talk about who cares, we'll take care of that. But what I want to do is I want to see the actual double blind placebo controlled studies

and I want someone to break those down. There's a lot of them, right i mean but i want somebody somebody who on it who knows that yeah right that can tell us like i like you just as a great question like what would what is considered better court of seps or i should go on and you gave kind of your personal opinion on that but i love someone to say like oh no there's way more research to support this for these reasons and i mean we cool to have someone like that i'm with you on that look if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our

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