Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1711: Steel Plates Vs. Bumper Plates, the Negative Effect of Stress on Gains, Using Indian Clubs & Macebells for Joint Stability & More

Episode Date: December 22, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the difference between lifting steel plates vs. bumper plates, their favorite or most fun program to run, the difference macebells and Indian clubs make for joint stability, and whether chronic stress is a strong enough component to keep someone from achieving their fitness goals. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Are you looking to get lean? Well, you might have to bulk to make that happen.  (3:44) Is BDE a real thing? (11:25) How Justin dropped the ball on promoting his favorite product from Organifi. (21:14) Kids say the darndest things. (26:56) Why there is something so pure about radical honesty. (28:50) How Mind Pump evaluates the supplement company’s they work with. (33:18) Why Elon Musk is Sal’s favorite person he doesn’t know. (37:49) Mind Pump Recommends Entrepreneur Video Essays with Jake Tran on YouTube. (40:18) Inflation among commodities since 1970. (42:40) How Ned’s hemp oil has helped Sal’s grandfather get back to good health. (50:30) Financial literacy among the Mind Pump families. (55:51) #Quah question #1 – What's the difference between lifting steel plates vs. bumper plates? (59:32) #Quah question #2 – What is your favorite or most fun MAPS program to run? (1:08:58) #Quah question #3 – How much of a difference do maces and Indian clubs make for joint stability? (1:13:06) #Quah question #4 - Is chronic stress a strong enough component to keep someone from achieving their fitness goals? (1:20:35) Related Links/Products Mentioned December Promotion: MAPS HIIT and MAPS SPLIT 50% off! **Promo code “DECEMBER50” at checkout** Calorie Cycling For Bulking and Fat Loss – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1427: Don’t Make These 6 Bulking Mistakes Watch The Pick-Up Artist Season 1 | Prime Video Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Elon Musk calls Elizabeth Warren 'Senator Karen' in fight over taxes Jake Tran - YouTube Learn Liberty - YouTube The Rich Dad Radio Show with Robert and Kim Kiyosaki Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Stockpile – Your Favorite Stocks By The Dollar Visit Serenity Kids for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MP20” at checkout** Products - Watson Gym Equipment MAPS Fitness Products 3 Reasons Why You Should Train w/ Indian Clubs & Steel Mace (John Wolf) | MIND PUMP How to Use Indian Clubs – Mind Pump TV How To Use The Steel Mace Bell in Your Fitness Training (John Wolf) | MIND PUMP Mind Pump #1402: Good Stress Vs. Bad Stress & How To Know The Difference Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Vicki Reynolds (@ vicki__reynolds)  Instagram Robert Kiyosaki (@therealkiyosaki)  Twitter Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Watson Gym Equipment (@watsongymequipment)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions that were asked by viewers and listeners just like you. But the way we opened the episode was with an intro portion. So we talked about current events, we talked about scientific studies.

We mentioned our sponsors. Today's intro portion was 55 minutes long after that. We got to the question. So here's what went down in today's podcast. We opened up by talking about how to bulk to get lean. Then we talked about BDED-E and Pete Davidson. We talked about Justin failing. He was supposed to do the Organifi commercial

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versus bumper plates? The next question, what is your favorite or most fun maps program to run? The third question, how much of a difference do mace bells and Indian clubs make for joint stability? And the final question, chronic stress, is it strong enough to keep someone from achieving their fitness goals?

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All right. Let's talk about this. I know, right? Is it backwards advice? Wait a minute, I want to get lean, but I got a bulk. Oh, yeah. We're in backwards land. Yeah, no, you know, this is good advice for a lot of people because when you're getting

lean, you have to eat less calories than you burn, right? You got to cut your calories. But people don't think beyond once they hit their goal, right? You want to be able to cut your calories to a point where the maintenance calories now when you're lean is something you can sustain. And so if you're going to cut your calories and they're low and hard for you to maintain, you're screwed. So bulking, speed the metabolism, build some muscle, kind of like a reverse diet, gives you more room to do the cut afterwards. So I like that advice, but I'm gonna take it a step further.

I think that there's tremendous value in doing the opposite of whatever you tend to do no matter what side of the fence you want, meaning. Oh, that's true, yeah. Like how, I mean, and I know you can get erupting the process. I know you can definitely relate to this because you and I were both the same way we were on it. We were on a permanent bulk for most of our lives.

Always. Because we had this insecurity about being skinny, so I was always bulking. And one of the best things I ever did in pursuit of the bulk was actually run a cut for a while, because I had never really done that. And one, I got leaner and quote unquote smaller, but I got the compliments my insecure ass

was looking for forever, which was, oh my God, you look so big. And I thought, this is crazy. Yeah, I lost 15 pounds. Yeah, I lost 15 pounds. I'm getting all these comments. And then when I went back into the bulk, my body just responded amazing.

And so, and I think the same thing is true is for the kid or the guy or girl who struggled with weight loss their whole life. They've always been 40, 50 pounds overweight. They're either not paying attention at all or they're on a strict diet and they're trying to cut, taking that always been 40, 50 pounds overweight. They're either not paying attention at all, or they're on a strict diet, and they're trying to cut, taking that person and saying, hey, let's start to add food to your diet.

Let's try and build some muscle. Let's put you on a bulk, even though you want to lose 50 pounds first, and then cut. So I think even better advice is to evaluate what do you typically do all the time, and then maybe even potentially do that first. Yeah, I'm glad you clarified,

and by the way, bulk is not just eating a bunch of garbage. Right. When we're referring to, when we say bulk is eating in a surplus that allows you to build lean body mass, but not too much body fat. So it's a small surplus, you know, clean bulk or whatever you want to call it. And you have to pair that with effective strength training or resistance training. Speed's up the metabolism. You get your maintenance calories, in other words, the calories that require your body requires

to stay the same, to go up, up, up, up, and then when you cut, you got to this room to cut calories. And then what you said about what you and I experienced, I noticed this incredible resensitizing effect to calories. Like I would just eat more and eat more. And it got to the point where I was like, I got to eat 4,000 plus calories to make anything move. Then I went on an actual cut just like you did,

which took me a long time to even attempt. I got lean and then it was like the most sensitive my body had ever become to calories. And I was able to build muscle up. Well, and there's a threshold to bulking as well, to where you find yourself just bloated and gassy. Your body is literally just fighting you throughout the entire process.

And you don't have to keep pushing and driving, going through that process of pain and anguish to make it happen. Like, you can kind of bring it back and step out a bit and make sure your body responds the way you want it to by just interrupting that. It's funny because what you're saying is the body is sitting there trying to give you

all these signals that you need to go to. It's just ignoring them. Yeah, but you ignore them because of your insecurities. But I really like the original, I wanted to add to it, but your original tip with somebody trying to lose weight. I remember this being a really challenging conversation, right? So person sits in front of me.

Super hard. They've been struggling with weight loss their whole life. I know you want to lose weight. Right. They've yo-yo dieted up and down. They've tried all these different diets. I assess the way they're currently eating and their goals. And they want to say, let's say lose 50 plus pounds

or whatever. And I go, okay, the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna increase your calories and they freak out because it's like, that's not why I'm hiring you. But the truth is the people that hire me at that stage, most of them have already tried dieting on their own. And what the diets look like are crash diets

where they restrict calories like crazy and they do cardio and do everything they crazy and they, you know, do cardio and do everything they can and they've completely slowed their metabolism down. So I get somebody who is 235 plus pounds and they're eating 1500 calories and they're like, where are we going to go? Yeah, like we can't, we can't cut from it. And even if they, let's say they're at still at 2200, 2200 calories for someone who's 250 plus pounds, is a very low. You're gonna end up at 1200 calories, yeah.

That's right. So, you know, when I see that, I go, okay, and that's, you have to be able to articulate that to somebody and say, you want to know what I used to say, which was kind of a trick. And it's not really a trick. I think it's a coach you have to figure out how to communicate certain things, because what you're talking about is such an uphill battle. And sometimes the most convincing coach and trainer, you're just not going to convince the person.

So what I would say to people is, I'm not going to worry about your nutrition yet. Right now we're just going to work out and we're going to take this one step at a time. The reason why I would say that is I know that if I said that, then most likely they're going to eat at least in main insert of surplus. And it gives me the opportunity to build strength and muscle and metabolism. And then three months later down the line, then we can start to talk about. Yeah, I'm always trying to have them focus on rebuilding the body first, like building the body up.

And so it just works better. And I think that's totally not something somebody coming in for weight loss is ever going to focus on. And that's, you know, as a coach, it's, you know, if you can get them to get into that mentality so that later on, the weight loss process becomes so much more effective and it sticks longer. So I would, I would focus on something that I, I'm trying to increase. Normally, when you get someone like that, they are, you know, most common thing, either under consuming protein,

under consuming fiber, underuming, potentially healthy fats. And so, instead of even talking about calories, I go the direction of, oh, we need to increase protein because we need to build muscle and I would make the case for speeding the metabolism up. So I wouldn't, I too, would not focus on, hey, I'm going to make you eat lots more because that would freak someone like that out, right? You just say, hey, I assessed the diet and we definitely need to increase protein intake.

So I would focus there knowing that I'm also bumping calories in any bit, but I'm not really telling them that all I'm doing is like, hey, we need more fiber or we need more protein or we need more healthy fats in your diet and they don't really look at it like I'm telling them they need to eat more food and they don't freak out. Yeah, I know speaking of the bulk thing, like what you said, Justin, I mean, I'll give you guys my

personal, I ignored all my body signals forever because I was so hard-headed about it. There was what we all did in here, dude. At one point, this is true. I think everybody does, I remember this at one point. The breakfast I would have, so I was probably a senior in high school. This is when I was like all in,

like this is gonna happen, right? And my breakfast consisted of a punch bowl of Cheerios. So this was like maybe a quart of whole milk in order to make this happen. 12 egg scrambled. So 12 eggs scrambled and then on the way to school, toast and bananas. This is what I would have for breakfast.

I feel bad for the kid that sat behind you. Oh, dude. Let me class. I would say, I'd be in the school. I'd be holding it together, you know? Oh yeah, keep it down. I did the same, but it was with like the like the beach scooper size of protein powder, a weight gainer, and then add in like 5A yolks and then also peanut butter on top of that

and just rumbles all day long, like especially after I work out. It was just gas. Drop in heat and just clasp everywhere. That's terrible. All right, so I'm talk to you guys about a scientific phenomenon that I think we now have some pretty clear evidence. So for a long time, this has been observed, speculated a lot of anecdotes, but I think now we have hard evidence that BDE is a real thing. Big tick energy. Big dick energy. Okay, so what spawn this research? Pro Pete Davidson.

Okay, okay. Okay, that is a good idea. That dude has to have a giant armistick, dude. Something I've convinced. Hold on a second, he dated Ariana Grande, Kate Beckins, they had it. I didn't even know this. I saw that meme that's flying around right now. It's like four like the hottest chicks out there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kim Kardashian and who else is it making Fox two or something? Yeah, like what? There's like four like the hottest chicks out there. Kim Kardashian and who else is it making Fox two or something? Yeah, like what? There's like four of like the, I don't know dude, this kind of looks like a creature. Yeah, and he's not really that funny. No, there's gotta be another factor. No, listen, I don't want to talk shit.

He's got that zero talk shit. I think he's not funny. I don't want to talk shit, but here's a deal. He doesn't look healthy. Like if you look at like he's circled on his side. Like something's not right. Yeah, yeah. So it's either or you see that. Like if you look at, like he's circled inside. Like something's not right. So it's either, when you see that, what are you,

okay, so what are you guys, we're gonna speculate and probably fucking cause them shit here. So I can't be just having a massive dick. That can't be the only thing. Sure can. Oh, that's it, dude. That's it.

I mean, that's really, A's famous, I guess he's got money, what not. Yeah, but all these women are famous too. I mean, I know, right. You can't have hooked up with anybody, right? For sure. So aren't most, like typically like most famous actors

and stuff like that, like smaller and stature and it's like they're not normally like big guys and he's kind of an anomaly too, because he's not a real big guy, but he's probably packing. Like isn't that like most, most of them is causing that? You know what I think is most of them? Most of them are like your little,

like at least in my school and growing up is like little drama guys, they're little, you know? Yeah, and they put like little little they shoot them from the angle down Yeah, then you see them in real life. They're like little little dude So he's probably a little bit of an anomaly in the acting comedy circuit. I would think no No, here's what I want any you could do you guys have any friends that are just like super ugly But would just pull like amazingly beautiful girl. Yes, but they had tremendous charisma. It's charisma.

He doesn't know. Well, I don't know. I have a buddy who he, like, yeah, he lays pipe and he doesn't. Like, he's like, he's five, ten. I won't say his name. I won't put him on blast. He's got anaconda. Well, it's actually not like putting him on blast.

It's like, he, and for the longest time, I know we were friends forever. And I didn't know that till a wait later. And he's kind of on the goofier side. He's my locker room together. And just crying girls. Holy shit. Girls absolutely love him. They just absolutely love him.

It was way later that I find it. When we moved in together, we lived together. So here's my theory. Here's my theory. He's probably packing heat, okay, let's find it. I don't think that's all of it though. Here's my theory. So studies actually show this,

that if you walk into a room and you wanna attract other women, the most effective thing you could do is walk in with another really attractive woman. Oh, yeah. This makes you immediately attractive. Women wanna talk to you or whatever. They've done studies on this. So here's what I think.

I think he tricked one. Yes, he tricked the first one, right? Yeah, that's the way. That does happen. That does happen. It was K-back in the ocean. And think he tripped one. Yes, he tripped the first one, right? Yes. It was, that can happen. It was K-beck and Stale. And then all the other women are like, K-beck and Stale, why are they, why is she with that troll?

So I imagine, I imagine like being a celebrity at that level is like a, you know, it's like a, you're that of the board being a, no, I think it's like a club, you know, say like, I mean, you,

did any of you go to a small school, I went to a small school for a while, right? And you eventually, it's such a small club. You ran that option? Well, yeah, you all end up dating the same girls and people. The classroom, and I went through a K through eighth. And I was there from fourth grade, all the way to eighth grade,

with that same group of people. And that's fourth grade, my first girlfriend. So you have girl. So by the time you get to eighth grade, you've all dated the same kind of circle PC Yeah, I think like celebrity is such an intimate group of people that eventually gets around like you know What's what's his name so what he's down the list on the bottom list? Well, no, I went through the whole list

He's on the list is the guy with the the package. And then, you know, at one point, that club of people, he wants to find out for themselves. Like, could it be really that, is it really that big or is she just exaggerating? Oh my God, I don't know. The other thing I think is that he's, he made a deal with Satan.

You know what I mean? Like, he's just signed the thing for sure. You know what I'm saying? Listen, you could have my soul. I just want to be able to bang whatever check I want. He's like, done. Here you go. And yeah, it's probably like this really sweet and romantic guy.

It says all the right things. We don't even know. We're talking shit right now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like the best game you've ever heard. Well, you know what it is. It's an anomaly. Of course, we're speculated. I don't know the guy, right? So, but it's it's usually when you see something like that. It's super generalized. Okay.

But usually because the guys are billionaires. Well, yeah, as I say, so you could rule out the money thing. Yeah. So they can go get money from any other. Kim Kardashian, or they have their own. So many better looking celebrities out there to choose from. Yeah.

Yeah. Kim Kardashian's got way more money than he does, right? He doesn't have ton of money. So it can't be the money. Karisma, I've seen this stand up, he sucks. It's not really good. He's not super good looking. Maybe it's the,

Well, he potentially is like the life of the party. So now imagine this club, right? They all go to the same parties and stuff like that. He's probably the dude who, he's probably got an aura about him. He walks in and he's probably got mad confidence, even though he's, see what's happening right now.

If you were a girl, you'd want to date him right now because you want to find out what's going on. Yeah, the Z mystery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's he do? You're also a stupid show or the guy had like this top hat is purposely and he's just like, he uses that. Yeah, the, yeah, what's he do? You're also a stupid show where the guy had like this top hat. Yes, purposely and he's just like he uses that. Yeah, the pickup artist like maybe he's been hanging out the pick. Have you seen that?

I don't know. You haven't seen this? Oh, it's the do she is show. I think I've ever watched so he like he's this guy He was a super nerd and then he learned how to pick up chicks and he teaches other people. He teaches these guys how to like, nag out on girls and basically like, he's like, first you gotta get on their insecurities and then wear stupid outfits so they get attention and it's just like cringes. Really, really. You know what's funny about it? Now I don't know how to do it.

I think a confidence has a lot to do with it. There he is right there. You're right there. Oh wow, look at that stupid hat. This guy is a pickup artist. Hey, you know what's funny though? What's funny is it worked. Now, I don't know how fake it was or produced.

I mean, okay, so in high school, if you look at all pictures of me, the way I dressed and the things I do, you probably like, what the fuck? You wore a hat like that? I'm not like that. That's a little, that's a little. I had worked, I were like a top hat

I wore yeah, I wore like I had a thing yours was more authentic like you would do that at school You do like this is like you know something he goes to a club to literally fish and pray You want a top at yeah, but I had a whole collection of all kinds of crazy hats And I was like did you write a unicycle? No. I did a monocle. Okay, so unpacking it now as an adult looking back,

what I think it was was that if you have the confidence to be so different than everybody else. And you don't, and don't get me wrong. Initially, some kid would probably make fun of me, but I didn't wait, I didn't waver. I didn't go, oh, someone teased me. Now the next day, you never see me wear it. I double-triple down.

You know, if you took me to the top hats. Right now, if you teased me about it, I'm rocking it. And so, and I, because I think I carried myself that way, I attracted, because I definitely, I know I was not a good-looking kid in school. Like, was not, I was skinny, crooked teeth, poor, drove a shitty, I had all the things, and I was not your top athlete. I was average. It's so hard to believe, can you just so hands him in? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, poor, drove a shitty car. I had all the things and I was not your top athlete.

I was at heart to believe. You're so handsome. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you are. I have you. We're on camera, you can't lie. Yeah, I'm serious though. Like, and I definitely, I can't.

And I get so shy when I say that. You notice that? He's just chisced a little red. I think I really think that that has a lot to do with it was. Probably. Having confidence. Yeah, especially in high school because everybody's so nice.

And I imagine, don't you imagine like celebrity life is kind of like being in high school. But I do, I feel like it's like that. But I do feel like it could backfire, right? I feel like some kid listening right now is like, okay, Adam said. Okay, so it does. Be so.

My friends tried to, as we got older. He's gonna dress up as a Pokemon. Listen, as we got older. Remember when I went there? I tell, early on, if you've been listening to podcasts since the beginning, I used to talk about painting my toes all the time. At one point, all my friends that used to make fun of me

all went through a phase where they tried it because they saw, there was like, oh my God, do the thing that we all make fun of them for. So you're at the pool and girls would walk by or whatever and they would see that and they would get their attention. It started conversation. But they weren't just painting the French man there. Some girls would think

Oh my god, it's a few some girls would try it would would make fun of me at first though But again if I didn't waver when they make fun of me it would start a conversation just anyways Just then tried to copy you with the big game out of the Method did not work for me my no. I had buddies that tried it We don't have a sad we don't have a standard strong enough to deal with this I had friends that tried it. We don't have a standard, we don't have a standard strong enough to deal with this. I had friends that tried it and they failed miserably, but here's why I watched it happen

and I watched why it failed miserably. It's not about the toenail paint. It's about how you respond and react with it. Of course. And so they would do it. And then when they get made fun of, you would see them, they just, they would clam up. And they would get, they would, they would,

they would different, like, oh, I lost a bet. or, oh, you know, I'm just kidding around. Like they would get all nervous about it. I'm like, you can't do that. If you do that, then it's not gonna work. You have to, oh, confidence. Confidence is a big, huge, that's a huge fact. You're saying? Yeah, I was, so I didn't care either.

I was in a style, I didn't care. I just didn't care, but I was, I never, yeah, it shows. Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah. And then, hey, if you guys seen my wife come on now? No, it's hard to me. Or maybe in spite of.

You have a different method, that's just all. But, you know what, I didn't care about expressing my opinions and talking about whatever. So we'd be in a crowd and, you know, I have a cousin, super good looking guy and girls would always go to hand right away. But then, as the day would progress, I would, because I wasn't afraid to talk about whatever

or speak by mine. Yeah, you still have your own confidence and other things. Sure, right, right. So that's hilarious. Speaking of confidence, Justin, you need to be more confident about remembering to do commercials.

Come on, man. Okay, you were responsible for Organifies Commercial today. Draw the ball, bro. I told you guys yesterday I'm gonna bring it in. And here's the thing, we ran out because I used it all here and I have the rest of my house. We were supposed to start the pure kick again. We were supposed to have it ready for the next

commercial Organify and we're failing them. I was gonna say, hey, let's lie. Adam's like so sharp today, but just, you know, we'd be able to pull it off because obviously you're just gonna lie. A little cloudy day, but just, you know, we'd be able to pull it off because obviously you're, you know, just so it's gonna lie. A little cloudy day. So let's lie you guys.

No, I, yeah, I'm sorry, I apologize, that was on me. Now, are you back to using it though consistently? I am. You have it at home, bro, he hoarded it all. Yeah, I brought it all up. That's why we don't have it. And I was, and this is the thing,

like that's probably one of my most consistent supplements that I use. And you guys, you know, like we'll talk about creatine. I'm actually going to start taking more creatine again too, but I haven't taken it in years. So there's just certain supplements that, you know, I do well with, and this is definitely one of those in terms of like right now, like I'm trying to recall information, I'm trying to stay focused, and this is one of those things terms of like right now, like I'm trying to recall information, I'm trying to stay focused, and this is one of those things that just helped me.

No, we've all talked about how much it makes a difference. In fact, if I was the producer of this show, I'd probably have it ready for my host all the time, because I care about the production of the show. So let's put this on Doug. Yeah. Yeah. Doug's fault.

Try to help you out, Ralph. Like send him in a reminder, God, we're so useless with that. I remember you. I know what though. Justin's like a squirrel, you know, he takes all the supply, all the pure for the winter. Yeah, I mean, left. And I'm also like the dog like a school too.

Yeah, I was gonna say I'm like the dog that if you say squirrel, I'm like squirrel. Yeah, that's true. It's true. By the way, don't poke it dug too much. I've seen him get pissed off not that long ago. The guy will. Yeah, he flipped on you.

Oh, yeah, dude, it was great. It was, we had some technical difficulties up in trucky. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm good guy will. You flipped on you, dude. Oh yeah, dude, it was great. We had some technical difficulties up in Truckee and I was like, oh, good about it. And he started getting really mad. And I saw that side of Doug that I never want to see. Cause I've seen it once before. So I was like, I better back down or he killed me. You can't poke the bear, you know.

I'm easy going, but I do have a threshold. Doug will murder everyone. Well, I imagine you like that, right? And you probably obviously like that, right? And you probably obviously experienced this, right? Because you do, I think, have a incredibly long fuse. And I think it's been connected to a nuke. Well, yeah. I think that's what happens with people like this, right? Like you put up with a lot more. You kind of don't, you don't rock the boat hardly ever. But if it comes out enough at the right time, then you don't really the boat hardly ever. That's true. But if it comes out enough, at the right time,

then you don't really have a warm, hotter, hot, it's the right time. No, I'm hotter cold. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. So it's not something I'm just warning you. The jokes. Well, you would think by now, shame on you.

You would think by now, okay, as long as we've all been together, everybody knows each other's life. Yeah, no, you know, for a bit, we fuck with your fucking eating schedule or your workout schedule. Hey, hold on a second. You know what? Having for bid that, like since we're called talking shit right now,

let's just bring this out right now. So we have Vicki in the morning who cuts all of our hairs on Monday or hair on Monday, right? And there's a normal order to it that's just is naturally happened. I'm first ironically, even though I have the longest drive to get here, I have to be the first one. So I have to get it up an extra. Oh, yeah. The longest haircut.

Right. Yeah. The ironic too. Yeah. So I go first then, then normally Justin and then, and then Sal goes. Yeah. And you know, there's been a couple of times where Justin and then also I have been caught in traffic and accident and with that.

And this guy over here will make Vicki sit and wait real and profess for an hour all by herself It's instead of ruining his usually like work out 20 minutes and number two Number two, this is a pump enough. Yeah, hey, hey, listen. I'm glad we're doing this on the show People listen to the show. They know what do we say about your workouts? You make them rocks in your schedule I have a schedule Workout I'll miss a haircut. I got to do my workouts got to happen. That's the only way it'll happen It's worked out, but you should know Doug Okay, when it comes to technical stuff and if I mean nobody

Nobody is harder on him and than himself when it comes to making everything right So when it doesn't go right it it's, he's one of those, it just is like this also. I've worn this from all the years we've been together. If Justin fucks up on something or something doesn't go accordingly, I don't normally need to say anything because I already know he's probably beating himself up

inside, touring myself. Yeah, so if I put anything on him on top of that, it's like all sorts of things. Oh, Justin looks mean-dug-related. Yeah, we do. Justin was awesome. The more I think about it, we'm we're talking about you guys are a lot like each other when it comes to that stuff. Well, you're the youngest, right? Doug? Yeah, older brother. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We think that plays a fact. I am the youngest

as a matter of fact. That's true. Yeah, I think so. I find that people who are first born tend to be very, they think they know a lot of things over Barry? What was that? I got the old way in the oldest things that he has a lot to say. And we listen, we listen, I think you're wrong. Yeah. I'll show you, but oh, wait for my moment.

I wonder what they say when we leave. I know what it was sometimes you and I have this huge blood. I mean, that's inspiring. I wonder when we leave with the. I already, I know you all talk shit all time I say these guys are always like if I get all frustrates of they all go grumpy Adam's yeah, no, he's just a little moody But that's about it. I have moody Brewding is what they say for guys for moody. I just say moody

Is that really a thing? Brewding yeah, that's what they say for guy. It was just kind of funny, but it really is just, you're being, you know, it's a guy being moody. I've never even heard that before. He's so mysterious. No, he's just moody. Oh, that's like a look on the face, right? When you're watching movies and they do this loop.

Yeah. Oh my God, it's so funny. You just reminded me. So I was talking to my daughter, right? So on her iPad, she had a picture of, who's the guy that plays the new Spider-Man? The last one. What's his name?

The young guy. What's it look in his name? Anyway, Toby? No, not Toby McWire. That's the one before. So bad. I can't remember his name. But anyway, she had him on there.

So I'm teasing her. Like, oh, you think he's, you know, he's your crush or whatever. She's like, no, he's not. You know, we're doing this whole thing back and forth. Anyway, really into spiders. Anyway, so I was teasing her. So, what's his name? Tom Holland, there he is.

It's not a bad guy. Yeah, those are all the spider mends? No. No, these are, I think. Neopatric Harris was never a spider bed. But anyway, so we're, later on, right? So I'm teasing her whatever and we're, you know, and I told, listen, I'm just kidding, whatever I said,

you just got a date. Make sure you date a guy like your father, right? And she's like, oh, okay, so, date a guy that speeds all the time in the car. That's what she said. Yeah, dude. I was like, oh no. Oh man, but she's right, you know what I mean?

Her perspective is always so funny. It's like, what they hold onto. Well, so I was thinking about this, right? Cause I feel like such an asshole. I was thinking about this, I'm like, what if she does date some jerk who drives Hello Reck in his car and she's used to it because her dad drives like an asshole. Yeah. Oh, God. Damn it. I got to change this. So what needs to bring back the the kids say the darnest thing that shower what I thought obviously was Bill Cosby before

we can't do that. That was different. If we could buy some more. Yeah. Welcome to sleepy time. So we got some more wholesome games. Welcome to Sleepy Time with the film, Tons of You. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, that was such a good show though, right? It was hilarious. I can't believe they haven't done another one like that. I thought it was hilarious when the interview

the kids like that and they would say the darn to say. Kids are great, dude. I had a client. No filter, that's why. Yeah, I had a client once where his daughter, he went to go wake her up in the morning. She was like three years old and he's like, hey honey, wake up and she looks at him.

She goes, your face smells. She was like, yes, up in the morning, she was like three years old, and he's like, hey honey, wake up. And she looks at him, she goes, your face smells. She was like, it smells. It's more like a red. There's something so attractive and pure about radical honesty. When you meet some, and that could be it,

and it's rare to find it in adults, right? So it's so pure in children, because they don't know better. Right, they don't know how it is to offend somebody. They're not thinking that way. They don't process it that way. So it's so cool. but then for some reason,

we tend to lose that as we get older and people tend to. Well, I was talking to Courtney about this because I was describing a lot of my friends that are still friends now on the ones that have left. And the ones that are still my friends are the ones that are super blatantly honest and tell me stuff that might be offensive or piss me off, but I just, I know who I'm dealing with.

You know, I'm just like, what was your name of your friend that I hit it off with at the party? Oh, Bo. Yeah, I just, I'm immediately drawn. We could have different political, social, but you know what you're dealing with. But yeah, but I just, I love somebody who embodies

that radical honesty that's not afraid to say their're mine and there's a there's a line there to Because it doesn't you think it's not an asshole Yeah, exactly you just you say rude shit all the time It's like you can you can be very honest a bit also empathetic and consider someone's feeling yeah So let me ask you this so let's say your wife comes up to you and she's like hey, does this does this dress make me look kind of fat And let's say it does would you say yes? Would you would know you say that really asking me that? your wife comes up to you and she's like, hey, does this dress make me look kind of fat? And let's say it does. Would you say yes?

No, you say you'd ask me that? Yeah, for real. Didn't you heard Katrina talk about that before? No, what do you have it? No. Oh, yeah, she adamant say. Oh, yeah, I'm brutally honest with you. I was like, what?

She didn't have to ask me. She'll walk out in an outfit about it. You can't wear those shoes with that. No, that's your seatbelt. Yeah, I would say. You never ask Katrina this? You mean, Courtney is the same. But I would say it away where I'm like, like, oh, that was just

not as flattering on you. Yeah. So I probably started like that, but we've been together now for so long. I'm straight. I don't have time because I already know if I do that, then she'll kind of, we'll go back and forward like, no, that you can't do that. That doesn't look good at all. Yeah, she said that to you.

Not so much. I'm probably the more one who's more critical with that stuff. So, but what she'll tell you is that it's initially annoying, but she also loves that part. Because then she knows too, like I'm not, if I tell her, oh, she looks pretty today, or I say some of that, she goes,

she goes, I know he's not bullshitting me. No, Jay, the first to tell me, it doesn't look good. If it doesn't, no, it's not. I've got to wait to it. I've got an argument with Jessica over this. Early when we first started dating, because she, remember, she first to tell me it doesn't look good if it doesn't. No, I've got to wait to it. I've got an argument with Jessica over this, or early when we first started dating, because she, remember, she traveled a lot when she used to work for the Cirque du Soleil.

And other countries have different kind of standards. So like in Brazil, an evening wear or bikinis, they're much less, I don't know, they wouldn't seem appropriate, right? If you wore them in the US, but because of the standards are different. So she had all these dresses and stuff,

and she puts one on, and I'm like, honey, that's like see through, I can see everything. It's too sexy. Yeah, and she gets all like, what do you mean, don't tell me, I'm like, honey, listen, literally, I can see everything, you know what I mean? Like it's cool, but I don't think we should go

to my parents' house. I'm gonna keep you here, wearing that dress. That's something we should... See now, that's interesting because you probably would be all for it if it was somewhere else, but it's because it's mom and dad's house. Yeah, and it depends where we're at, like a thong bikini at the apartment complex pool with family. Like that might be something that we don't want to do, right?

Right. Versus going to that. I love even how you're presenting it right now. No, actually, no, she's gonna listen, right? She knows, dude. Yeah, probably how do we wanna do that? No, we had all conversation about it. Like, what's the big deal?

What are we like? There's like, kids and dads out there, the moms are not gonna like us if you got there. Where the- You know, I don't know where, like where it even started from. I also love when you see a couple who's been together for like 30, 40 years.

Yeah. And you hear them the way they, it's the best. Yeah, it really is where it's just like, it's almost like, they're more, my parents are great, right? So when I was,

they smelled into one mind, when I was a kid, I mean, like any, any married couple that were arguments and fights over certain things, and there's these, I don't know what they call them, but these issues that don't go away, right?

So if you look at couples that get in big fights, like all couples do over certain things, it's usually the same kind of thing over and over again. And it was like that when my parents do. Well, I think when you've been married as long as my parents have, you just get over it and you could say shit about each other

and they're like, whatever. You laugh it off. What? The key. Yeah, so my dad will say something, well, you know your mom, you know, she's not whatever. And that would normally have made her so upset, but she'll fire right back, well yeah,

because your dad can't do that, you know, whatever. And it's hilarious. And they get over it and that's like, okay, that's how it works, you know. I wanted to ask you, this is not on the agenda to talk about, but I just sent over something to you recently, Sal, and it was a supplement company that's coming out from us, pretty aggressively.

And it sounds interesting, but also sounds a little bullshit to me, but then I see the people that are connected to it, that are backing it, there's a lot of big-name people that are connected to it. Did you read enough to give me a little short version of what it is and what it's supposed to do? I can't remember the exact name, I can't remember it. It doesn't matter, the supplement main doesn't matter. Well, I care more about what it was supposed to do, I can't remember the exact name. I got a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit interesting we should look at a little deeper, but because the compound hasn't really been sold

by other companies, it sounds like the latest greatest thing and it's an opportunity to market the product. Now, I'm not saying that's necessarily what's happening with this product, but when I looked it up, there wasn't a ton of research. And so the claims were based off of kind of like a couple studies. Yeah.

And so that makes me always like kind of skeptical. Like I'd wanna try it for- Now you say that, but I was on the pitch deck that they sent over to me. There is actually a chart of all the studies that have been done on it and how much it has like skyrocketed in the last day. Yeah, but I think there was only like a couple

that were done on humans and you know, human studies. Oh really? Yeah, so there's a lot of speculative kind of, for example, let's say they do a study and they say compound X increases fat oxidation or whatever by, you know, 15%, which is how, oh my God, you're gonna burn more body fat. But then when you do a real study and you look at the real world results,

things balance out and it doesn't result in any... So then what does it take for you when you're looking at new, I mean, we've talked about one of the Turkestones and the other crazy one that you brought up early on. When you're looking at these supplements or these compounds, what makes you go get excited? Like, oh wow, this actually has some potential. I wanna see a lot of either really good evidence.

So good studies, not only humans that are conducted well. I also like to see a lot of anecdote. So I don't take anecdote and throw it out. A lot of people say, oh, I don't like anecdote. So well, here's a deal with that. There's compounds that have been used for hundreds or thousands of years. Like some compounds you'll see in Chinese medicine

or a Vedic medicine, that maybe right now doesn't have lots of studies, but if it's been used for 500 or 600 years, maybe we don't know the mechanism at which it's totally. Then I'll be like, oh, this might actually work. And then there's anecdot like, you'll see a supplement, there's a few studies that are kind of interesting, but then you'll go read the forums and people like,

oh my God, I totally feel this and it works. And then I'll also wanna try it. I'll wanna try it myself and see if this is something that, because usually I find when I try something, I can communicate it a lot better. For example, you brought up Turkestorone or Ekti Stereone. Studies show that it works. The anecdotes talk about that.

It works. I've also taken it many, many times, and I know that after about 45 to 60 days, it stops working. So I'm able to communicate that if I were to sell a product like that, which no affiliation, we're not selling that product. Also, we now know that it's mediated by the estrogen receptor, which makes me say,

I don't know if we want to recommend this to women, we don't know what might be the effects on women, who knows. So, you know, that's it, that's basically it. I look at all those things and then, of course, what do I always have you guys try it? Because, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been hearing on us. Well, you know what it is, like. It's like, have you guys try it? Because, yeah, yeah, we'd be there with us.

Well, you know what it is, like, there's been a couple products, like there's been certain synthetic, what do they call, neutropics? Oh yeah. That I like, then I'll have you guys use it and you guys be like, I got a headache. Exactly, yeah.

And a headache didn't resonate well with my gut. Yeah, I'll be like screw that. You and I tend to be the same. I feel like the stuff that you, the insom- You and I are similar in a lot of stuff. Except for the neutropic, sometimes they give you headache and they don't do that to me. Yeah, there's not a lot, there's actually,

that's why I think, you know, I like pure so much is it's one of the few that I can take that doesn't- It feels healthy, doesn't it? Yeah, it doesn't feel like- I think all the synthetic ones just don't feel right on me. Like either the mesosamol with my stomach or I get these weird headaches from it. I mean, maybe one at a five. And I've taken it enough times to be, to like, okay, it's, if I've had bad feelings from it more often than not, but I'm sure we're interested in. Yeah,

I've tried so many, we tried a bunch of new tropics. Yeah. And again, that's, that is, I think that's the main thing is if it's coming from natural sources, it just feels better, the way that my body reacts to it. Exactly. Speaking of neutropics and smart people, so Elon Musk continues to be my favorite person that I don't really know, right? My favorite celebrity in the world. In the world.

Love that guy. Did you guys see his little Twitter battle with Elizabeth Warren? Elizabeth Warren, yeah. Oh, just recently? Bro. So first of all, she's like, you know, she's talking about Elon Musk and we need to pass law so that people like Elon compare, you know, we need to pay their fair share. Even though he's paying 10 billion.

He's paying, he's going to pay more taxes than anybody in history. American, American, and millions or something like that. Yeah, yeah. 10 billion dollars. It's just hilarious that she would pick a fight with him. But then he's like, he goes, he goes, you're like, you're like, 10 billion dollars. It's just hilarious that she would pick a fight with him. Because that. But then he goes, he goes, you're like, you know, when I was a kid, like my friend's mom

that just yells at everybody for no reason. And it makes sense. So hilarious. But yeah, he hammered on her and he's paying the guys. And also, by the way, this whole like fair share thing, it goes both ways. Like I've done this before to people who DM me and I've said, listen, if you wanna talk about fair share,

Elon Musk has created tens of thousands of jobs, has innovated at his own expense often. Incredible innovations in environmental research and space travel and cars and other technologies. How many jobs have you created? How much innovations have you done, you are not contributing your fair share to society. So it could flip both ways.

It's not about pay or fair share, where's your fair share of contribution to society. Now obviously, I'm not being serious about that, but if you're gonna talk about, you need to pay your fair share, look in the mirror, what have you done to help anybody? And it's probably nothing in comparison to these hyper productive, like what I've done is nothing compared

to somebody like Elon Musk. I mean, he's such a hyper productive person. He's innovating more. I don't know anything wrong, it's everybody else. It's exactly. That's where we're at. I just think that when you get people like this, they have so much money that they could totally cash out

and stop trying to do all this stuff. And I feel like we would all suffer. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's just like the things that they have created. I mean, I saw the time magazine or like I forgot all the companies. Oh, that's what it was. It was because he got person of the year

so she went in, went after him for it. Yeah, and then you look at all the incredible companies that he's created. Those wouldn't exist if this guy decided to... She called him a fre loader. Dude. The irony of a politician calling an entrepreneur a free loader is hilarious. Because politicians don't do anything

and they get paid to do nothing. They're the definition of a free loader. So it was pretty ironic. Did you get a chance to go down that kid that I sent over to you? I know you. Did you watch that one? Yeah, I did.

A little bit. Really entertaining. I loved it. Is this what's leading you to talk about like the whole gold and oil and is this? No, I mean, it can. We can't, we can transition to that right now if you want to get there. But I mean, you just reminded me like this talk,

like that's why kids, he makes these things, he calls them business essays. And they're the short 15 minute, like many documentaries that he does and it's mostly, I mean, it's everything. He does business, stocks, crypto, conspiracy theories. He talks a lot about all the stuff that we're talking about now. And the kid's been on YouTube for a long time. I've been following him for like a year and I just, I like the content.

I like how he's doing. I've never seen anybody do something like this. So he'll take, he'll try and make a point, like what happened with all the money printing, right? He'll title it really cool, and he'll edit it up a really good 15 minute synopsis on the history of how we got here, like say from 1970. Oh, so it all makes sense. Yeah, no, it's very, it's educational,

and it's informative, and it's entertaining. You know what I like about that? Is I feel like they sometimes they purposely make things seem so complicated so that people go, I don't understand. How does inflation, I don't get it? When actually it's actually quite simple when you break it down.

His name is Jake Tran. Okay, I'll bring another one. And that's what you get a chance to look. I know I did. I watched one of his videos. Cool, right? Yeah, really cool. Right, I thought it was really, I reached out to him. Hopefully we'll get, I mean, I've been talking to him back and forth in DM. I know he's got a lot of things going on. He's all over the place

But I would like to talk to him. I just find what he's doing it really interesting It's kind of a disruptor in his space too and like his whole idea of like how he creates his content I thought was pretty fast and then yeah, you'll like it. You have to go go down. It's not like I mean you're gonna Watch it. There's not there's nothing. I think that you're gonna see you be like, oh, I didn't know that. But the way he presents it. Yeah, so I look at it and why I was attracted to it was, Katrina's not really into talking about economics

and stuff, some of the stuff that I'm more into, but I could see I could get her to watch some of that and her really enjoy it. And he simplifies it in a way that the average person who may be not be into that as much, can enjoy that. I love that. I used to watch Learn Liberty is a great channel on YouTube

and they do that really well with controversial topics and they'll break it down in like five minutes and you go, okay, that makes perfect sense. You alluded to something though that I wanted to do and I asked Doug to look this up for me because I was listening to, I think this was on a podcast. I don't remember where I actually heard this first, but I thought it was interesting because

I was wrong. And they were saying that, you know, if you were to have put money in oil, gold, or houses. So let's say like a quarter million dollars. Still same amount in each of those. Yes, same amount in each of those and left in cash, which I'm sure everyone would predict that. In 1970, what would be worth the most today? So you asked me this earlier, and I guessed oil, but the reason why I guessed oil is because

you said in the 1970s, and I thought, because I know in the 70s there was an oil in Bel Bargo and oil skyrocketed, but then I forgot, of course, that it came back down. So I was wrong, it wasn't oil, but that's what I thought. Yeah, did you pull those up? I did. It could be breaking the breakdown though. Yeah, so it was against what I thought as well. So if you had a quarter million dollars in a house,

in houses, you would have $4.1 million today. Okay. So that's 16X. If you had a quarter million dollars in oil, you would have 5.5 million dollars today, which is 22x. If you had 250,000 dollars in gold, you would have 12.375 million dollars today, which is 49.5x. So look at gold in 1970 was $35.96 cents an ounce and today it's 1779 80 and obviously if you had cash we would you be more blessed and cash yeah you would have basically not and at the bet by the way at the best so all those things

you said I think 16 was the lowest 16x even so even if you invested your cash in like the best CD in the world back then which was probably around six to eight Garbage. Yeah, even that would still be way way Let me speculate on the sum of this then right so oil At one point I think would have surpassed gold But the difference is that in with oil we had new technologies like fracking which made like for example We thought I don't know if you guys knew this, but scientists and environmental, you know, environmentalists said, hey, we're gonna run out of oil.

We're gonna hit peak oil in the early 80s. This was actually a big deal, and they talked about this. We're gonna run out of oil, it's gonna fuck everything up. We need oil. This is a terrible disaster just waiting to happen. The, it never happened because, in fact, today, we have more oil available to us now than we did in the 1970s, even though there's way more people on Earth than we're using more oil.

And it's because of technologies like fracking and other technologies where we have access to more oil. So the price didn't explode like a thought it would, and we obviously didn't run out of oil. Houses, I can't really explain that one. Gold, I'm assuming, well, gold is limited. They're not mining more of it necessarily that's when we came off the gold standard, too Yeah, so I can't be off the gold. Yeah, so that's when we that's when we came on There is one there is one component that's missing to that that would would make me say that real estate still is number one Because that that what that doesn't factor in is of all those ones, that one could be cash flowing you. So you got a gold is just sitting there.

Right, so let's say you bought the house for, so we said a quarter million. So let's say that actually bought it, which a quarter million dollar house back in 1970 was probably a pretty nice fucking house. Oh, that'd be amazing, house. Yeah. So that house could be getting rented out

that entire time, and so you'd have to actually add that cash in addition to that, and what else that could have done. And what you would have to actually add that cash in addition to that and what else that could have done. And what you could have done with that cash. That's right. So the house still wins in my opinion of all those. And the reason why I went down this, because you and I were talking about how sad it is right now that a lot of people,

I don't even know really understand this, if you have, let's say you've worked really hard for the last 20 years of your life to save, let's say, a hundred grand in your bank account right now, sitting in that bank right now, it is losing money. Oh, at the end of the year, like, rapidly. On average, at the end of the year, your 100,000 is worth 90 or less, depending on what you buy with it.

And that's assuming you got it in some like a money market account where you're even getting a percent or something on that, you're still going to lose. And so simply parking in something like one of these investments, you would be far better off than sitting at Justin. Now the thing with property that's interesting too is that's the median, right? So that's the average. That's not the average. That's the middle price house of all houses.

Yes. And now, and as we know, real estate is all about location. So imagine if you took $250,000 and invested it in Manhattan or New York or San Jose, right? Back in 1970. But that's not a fair way to compete. Sure. Yeah, fair way just to say what the median house was at that time. So I made a comment that $250,000, if you had it in 1970

and compared to today, still $250,000 or less, of course, you got an interest. Yeah, but what's the benefit? So, but yeah, well, exactly. So I don't know what, say you got 5%, I don't know what that'd work out to be, but it's probably not the best thing to put your money into.

It's just cash investments. But I was gonna make one comment here on gold, I'm not gold, on oil. This year, the opening price was $47.62, and now it's $7.504. Yeah. So in a single year, we've seen it jump up a lot. That's an extra.

You said so much. Off air and I wanted, are you comfortable talking to me a little bit about the oil thing? Because I was also listening to Rich Dad podcast, Robert Kiyosaki. And I was, you know, he's famous for, you know, making millions of dollars and not paying taxes because he's constantly reinvesting and one of the things that he's aggressively reinvesting in right now is oil and not just oil barrels but oil wells because there's a massive deduction from the government from that. Like, I think he say they invest a million and he gets 400,000 back on the right off,

not to mention that that oil, that that well eventually could produce tons of oil, which then could also produce money, which also could go up. And so just sounded like a brilliant investment. I said that to you, Doug, and you actually piped in real quick and said, well, you can get fucked into doing that also. And I guess you did this?

I did this. Around 2000, I invested in a couple speculative wells. And, you know, according to the information I had at the time, these were supposed to be kind of sure things. I was obviously a novice, didn't know anything about it, so I put some money into it and come to find out. Both the wells ended up being dry. And I lost every penny I put in.

So I had a few clients into the same thing. So the reason why there's such huge tax breaks and credits with oil is they often don't produce oil. So they're trying to encourage people to find more oil and the cost of setting it up and the wells and the process is quite expensive. So it's a risky, now that pays off, it pays off, and you do really well.

So I know somebody who paid off really well for, he had taken two million dollars of his money down in Mexico. And yeah, then he's like getting millions of dollars every year now from that initial like two million dollar investment. And he's, I mean, he's filthy rich, literally off of that one big move that he did.

So, but I hadn't heard somebody getting fucked like that where they went in and they did did something like that and then it ends up being a dry one. So I had four clients that did it. Three of them got nothing. And one of them, Jim, you know, Jim, he was getting one of the wells that he invested in, started to pay him checks. And he would just get a check in the mail, a 10 grand, 15 grand. That's how this guy would get it.

Depending on how much. So, any time you see huge tax credits, you've got to say, okay, why are they doing this? Well, anytime you see huge tax credits like that, that's because the government wants you to go invest money for their benefit, right? That's why they do it. So, we don't have to go other places, they can get it from here. So, they incentivize people in the US to go do that. So I totally understand why they incentivize you to do it.

Man, speaking of like all this investment, some properties and back in the 70s, I went to go see my grandfather now is 90. And we were hanging out a little bit and talking about what it was like when he came, when he first came to San Jose. So he came to San Jose. I wanna say early 70s or late 60s.

It was like all orchards in farmland. Yeah, so this is, so San Jose Silicon Valley right now. But back then it was all farmland. And it was all farmland because they grew the food that they would provide to the, I guess the naval base up in San Francisco. So it was all farmland, all whatever. And he was telling me about his house that he still owns.

Now it's in San Jose, it's probably worth 1.7, 1.8, which is a decent house in San Jose. It's not super big. It's just like average, you know, larger house. Like track home. Yeah, track home. It was crazy to the rest of America. But he told me how he chose to buy it. And there was another house that he almost bought. I call it a crazy to the rest of America. But he told me how he chose to buy it

and there was another house that he almost bought. And the one that he chose was $1,500 more. And he remember, he was telling me the story. And by the way, I think he paid like $21,000 for it or something like that. And he's like, he remembers how much he struggled to make the decision to spend another $1,500 on a house. And then what he did to pay for this house,

because remember, he came from Sicily, was very poor, lived in Venezuela for a while to try to make money as well. He worked as a custodian at a school, and then he would clean movie theaters at night. So he would go to work, come home at four, he would eat, my grandma would have food for him, seven o'clock or eight o'clock at night,

or sometimes, you know, 10 or 11 o'clock at night when some of these theaters were closed, he would go over there and he'd clean them and whatever. And this is how he worked for years to pay for this mortgage on a $21,000 house, which is really crazy. Is this your grandpa that you introduced Ned to? Oh, yes. So he's obviously older and he's, you know, at the age that was health is starting to climb and so sleep is getting a little worse and he's got pain.

He's, you have arthritis and everything. Yeah, and you know, he's such an independent, my grandfather's a horse literally. He's just so strong and so independent and the shutdowns affected him and my grandma tremendously. I remember this is kind of sad, but their health wasn't bad. And I remember they were isolated for like six months or eight months because everybody was scared.

We don't want to give them, you know, COVID or whatever. So we would drop groceries off at the front and food at the front. Nobody would see them. When we finally, you know, started seeing them again, their health had declined so quickly. And I know it was because they were isolated and away from their families.

And you could see the huge decline. Well anyway, it's been like that a little bit. And so he's not doing so well. He's more tired. I've never seen my grandfather like this. He's the kind of guy that he would do all his yard work at 88 years old. And so I introduced him to Ned.

And I said, here try this out. And he goes, is this the weed? introduced him to Ned and I said here try this out and he goes is this the weed? No, no, it's the weed. It's legal. It's so don't worry, you know, give it a sh- he's funny, right? He wasn't going to do it if it was the weed, right? So say here you could try this out. Anyway, he tries it out and a week later, you know, he face times me, which is hilarious. My, my grandfather now knows how to use FaceTime. And he FaceTime me and he's got like, he's emotional. He's an emotional man.

So he's got a little bit of a tear and he goes, so what, don't I'm like, yeah, what's up? No, no, how's it going? He goes, I like it. You bring me another bottle? I said, yeah, I'll bring you more. I don't worry about it. I like it.

Make me feel good. I said, good, I'll bring you some more. I feel like it'd be like a really fucked up prank to like all of us get dressed in like black attire and stuff like that and like kick the door down and be like where's the weed at all that he would he that would be a terrible he would shoot you with a gun that would be a terrible prank would backfire he would literally shoot we know you we know you have it. Get the fuck out, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's me, no, no, no. No, don't play that prank on my crefother.

You'll pull the trigger before you. I've seen him, he's so funny when I was younger, I was in high school, and there were these high school kids. So he's like, takes so much pride in his fruit plants and all his trees and whatever. And I swear to God, this is an Italian thing. So anybody watching who has like old school Italian family knows this, they can have the smallest yard.

Every square inch of that yard is growing something. And it's tomatoes and pomegranates. Anyway, he even used a front yard this way. So every little square inch, he's growing food. But you know, the front yard, if people walk by on the sidewalk and they see, oh, I'm gonna pick a lemon. And these used to fucking piss them off, dude.

So I remember I was a, I was probably a junior in high school. My cousin, Sappin' Eye, we're over there. And we hear my grandfather outside just going off. So we run out there and there's these high school kids, our age, who had picked a few lemons. And so I'm like, I'm telling him it's the sillian. I'm like, don't, you're gonna get in trouble.

You're gonna get the other kids, you know what I'm saying? So they leave. And so my grandfather looks at us and he goes, you're right, I get in trouble if I do something, because if they pick again, you and your cousin, I want you to beat him up, okay? I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, cause he took your lemons, you know what I mean? But I didn't say that so, cause he got mad, so I said, alright, well don't worry, we'll take care of it next time.

I'm like, I like that my cousin's like, do we gotta make sure that these kids take his fruit? Do either one of you guys have somebody in your family that's like, as into business and economics and stuff like that, as you guys are that are older,

wiser, like do you guys have that in your family at all, anybody? You know, in my family, I have a lot of sales people and a lot of entrepreneurs, but because they're so old school, their mentality was very much work hard, spend little, and save. So I never learned investments, I don't learn how to buy properties, I don't learn any of that stuff.

So I learned the basics, but I never learned anything. Well, I take that back on Courtney's side since they're my family now, right? So there's her brother and then my brother-in-law to the other one that's married to her sister, very much into financial investments and just killing it. And so I'm always riffing with them at what they're doing, where they're parking their money, all that kind of stuff. Do you have people in your family with that, Doug? I do.

My nephews are really into it. Oh, your nephews? Yeah. One of my nephews is actually really in the crypto. I should actually talk to him more about that. But my sister, she's really into it as well. She's always calling me up and talking about different things that she's into.

It's great when you're a kid and you grew up around it. I think you learn it. Because I don't learn it. So I don't want to build that for my family, right? I was just going to say, this is going to be so good because your son's going to learn from you some really great. Because I learn, what do you learn this otherwise? You don't learn it in school.

Now I do take it back. My cousins who are my age are all financial, I have so many family members that are financial advisors and they do investments. But the older generation, all they did was start businesses, save money. Yeah, you have a thread going with some of your cousins and stuff that that's all it is, right? Just stock, stock and business stuff, right? You know how funny is, do I piss them off so bad?

Cause I'm not a financial advisor, I'm nothing. And I've made a few stock picks. So you rub in their face. Oh, and they talk shit about them. They talk shit about them. You crush them with it. Yeah, and I always bring them up, you know? Anytime they bring up an advisor, I don't know if I'm gonna take your buy. We've talked shit about them. You crush them with it. Yeah, I'm always bringing them up, you know, I mean, time they bring up advice. I don't know if I'm gonna take your buy the wins there. They're like, shut up, you know.

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By the way, that pissed me off. We bought, we bought him that for Christmas. Yeah. Was it stockpile? Yeah, yeah. And they were supposed to send it to you on Christmas. Stupid. They sent you that day.

I don't know, you can do that where you could like, time it. Oh, yeah. Interesting. Stupid. You get it on the bed. Yeah, I got it right. I got it right.

I got it right. I got it right. I got it right. I got it right. And we like last week I got like this. I was like, hey, did you mean to send max $50 towards HubSpot right now? And he's like, yes, that was supposed to be for Christmas or like that. I don't know. We got him a couple things. Now you got to get him another gift, dude. So just a cow came early. So annoying. Hey, real quick, I hope you're enjoying the podcast.

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All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from C cuff fitness. What's the difference between lifting steel plates versus bumper plates? Are there advantages and different disadvantages to both for lifts such as squats, deadlifts, cleans, et cetera. You know, how funny about that is you think, like, oh, it's way the same as no, but if you're really breaking down,

there's a little bit of a difference. No, there's absolutely a little difference to it. And I also, I forget, you know, we're so, we're so serious. That's for sure. Well, we're so into this space for so long that you forget, like, if you were entering into. I would ask that question.

Right, like, why are these people using rubber, you know, these bumper plates that bounce and why are these other ones using iron and, you know, is there a advantage to one of the other? We're still in the other... It's like the Olympic style too. I mean, do you, I mean, I prefer certain ones

for certain things. Yeah, so, yeah, so I think, I think for specific exercises, ones are more valuable. I like iron and steel plates for almost all lifts, mainly because I like the feel and the sound and it's nostalgic for me. But if I'm gonna do something off the ground, if I'm gonna do something where I'm dropping away,

for sure I want bumper plates. But if it's off the ground, a deadlift, I like bumper plates because even when I put the weight down, I like to have a little bit of bounce because the metal plates are just so jarring and so loud. I'll tell you the plates I don't like, which I remember. Back to the gun plate.

Yes, this fucking piss me down. Every time for our fitness, too. It became a big thing and the whole thing was, oh, they don't roll, you know? But you do anything off the ground, it is dangerous. So you put a deadlift down with hex-gun plates and one side's over here, one side's over there. Yeah, it definitely throws off your entire trajectory of your bar path

The bumper plates the other thing I liked about them when they first came out was that the lighter plates with the same size is The have your plates I got five plates on the bar Honestly, I think there's something to that though for you know some especially beginner intermediate lifters It's like it's like you just's like a lot of cool stuff. You just don't feel like such a complete loss. Yeah, you know, it's funny though. How many times have you heard this?

I've actually seen memes like this where people are like, I don't care what you say. The metal plates are heavier than the bumper plates. Oh, there's some people swear by. They do. Well, I mean, you can make a case for like, old war rubber plates. If you're slamming them on the ground,

they're gonna chip a little bit and the rubber will fit, but I mean, an ounce. Yeah, I don't know. You don't think, the other thing too is with bumper plates, you can fit less of them on the bar. So like, for example, if I'm gonna do a deadlift or a hip thrust, something where I can use quite a bit of weight, I can't go past, I think five plates.

Oh, that's the main reason why I like competition plates with the steel inserts instead. So you get sort of that hybrid where you can load, they stay skinny and they're pretty standardized. So each plate is almost like the same width. But yeah, because it's so annoying if you're trying to do anything from the ground. And it's like, you get to four of those bumper, or those rubber plates and it's like you get to four of those bumper

those rubber plates and it's you're done. Especially the ones, here's the other ones I hate, the ones that back in the day the crossfitters would post, which were, they were not just rubber, they were huge. Yeah. Like they put like, and they were 10 pounds or 15 pounds, they were this fat and it's like, five plates on each side and it's only 95 pounds. Yeah, I think, because I'm not doing a lot of a limpic type of moves, like maybe Justin might do more of this,

like the only thing I'm really doing off the ground with the barbell is the deadlift. And I actually just like the first one a bumper plate. So you could actually do the first one a bumper plate and then the rest iron because the bumper plates are normally a little bit bigger. Yeah, and that's all you need. So when you slam it, it slams the bumper and you still need that iron-cleaning sound that

you like, you know, which I agree I like that same sound. For sure, for Olympic lifts, like, I want everything as close to me as possible, like, with that width, it's just so clunky, you know, to have the weight distributed way outside my body. That, okay. That's a great point, right? So, it will change the feel of the exercise because the weight starts to extend out past

with a longer, longer, longer. I noticed this was squatting. So I notice I like squatting definitely with the skinny, the skinny or the plate because it is close to my body. And when it's all out there, it tends to have this more kind of bouncy, left to right.

So I do prefer that for squat. 100%. It's, and a lot of this is based off of feel. So I do for that for squat. 100%. And a lot of this is based off of feel. Like, okay, so yes, definitely bumper plates if you're dropping the weights on the floor. It's safer, it's not gonna break or make a crazy amount of noise. You can get through out of the gym.

Yeah, but there is a feel aspect, right? Like, for example, I remember years ago, I went to this old iron dungeon gym and I didn't realize how old this equipment was until later when I became more educated on how equipment changed over the years. But this place literally had dumbbells and barbells where the dumbbell had to handle

and then the ends were round iron balls. Like these must have been dumbbells from the 50s and 60s and they had barbells that were like that. So, and I didn't like the feel as much because the weight came out and it just felt different versus when they would have the plates or whatever. Then later on, of course, you'd work out

with the one with plates. It was like caveman dumbbells. Yeah, I've seen those. It was crazy. Really weird. And they had barbells like that. They had this rack with barbells lined up on it. I heard those.

And they were all big round cannonball ends on the barbells. And it was really weird. So old tiny. And not only was it like that, I remember this too, the handles, so rather than having a fun. A thick, right? Well, there was one like that, but instead of just having the straight bar all the way across, it was the bar,

and then there were places where you're supposed to put your hands. Now what I don't like about that was if you went wider or more narrow It was kind of weird and if like half your hand was on the handle It wouldn't feel very good So you could tell that they when they create these they were like there's some of the first weights You know that they kind of look funny to see like if you look back like how much technology has influenced now and upgraded a lot of Just regular fitness equipment, like even barbells, you know,

the ones that like spin and the ones that have flexing them and you know, like the Texas bars and some of those Olympic bars now, like I love that, like I love like how they've innovated like very simple thing like a barbell. Now do you guys have a favorite types of barbells and dumbbells and just for yourself? I really like, what was the brand that Ben Pekolsky had at his gym?

Oh yeah, I really like those, those kind of, with a chrome, chrome weights or whatever. Yeah, I've always done bells here. You remember those dumbbells? They had really, they felt really good. Do you remember the name of that brand, Doug? I'm looking them up right now. Yeah, he'll listen. You know what I really of that brand, Doug? I'm looking them up right now. Yeah, he'll listen.

You know what I really liked that he had too? So back in the day, the first incline benches that were invented was a bench that was inclined, but you didn't sit on anything. You stood up against it. And the way that people would work out is you would have to clean away. So there was no rack, right?

So you'd clean the weight, and then you'd lay back on this incline, do your press, and then come forward. And of course, the limiting factor was like how much you could rack, right? So you cleaned the way and then you'd lay back on this incline, do your press and then come forward. And of course the limiting factor was like, how much you could clean, right? Later on, they invented the incline bench that you sat in with the rack. Now what he had, what Pekolsky had, which I love, was a combination of both.

So you could stand back and have the rack. If you've ever done an incline press where you get to stand and plant your feet. Put your feet into it. Oh, the feeling is so much better. I really like it because it's actually, it's really challenging for me. I'm still not good at that technique with really grounding and using my leg drive. I'm just, I'm still not good at it.

Like I have to actively get into the bench press and really think about loading my legs to, and, and using them or otherwise I've trained myself for so long of not using my legs in the bench press that that's something where when you're in that it forces that because you're standing up on them right so you're already naturally in that position where you know when you do a bench press your legs are kind of behind wrapped kind of behind you and you're trying to do that just doesn't feel as I don't feel like I can drive as well as I am when I'm standing up, so I really like that.

That's why I like it. You activate your CNS and you're much tighter with that. Is that the brand? I think it might be. It's Watson Jim equipment. Okay, from the UK. There's a free plug for you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, since I'm our way.

Yeah, it feels really good. You know, since we're on the topic, I like this is a fun topic for me. Machines, do you guys have a favorite brand of machines that you've ever used? Hammer strikes. Yeah, like the strings. Really? Just because it's got like the plate loaded and I just like the different angles they use a lot more so than some of the other. I mean, even there was some at what was that gym, the science gym? I'm trying to remember what that was. The voice is really cool too.

What they've done now with leverage, I think those are pretty neat. They're interesting. Yeah, but I still, I don't know. I don't necessarily have a favorite brand, but I do have favorite machines within a specific brand. For example, the Nautilus, old school Nautilus chain, not cable,

they use the chain, pull over machine. I have yet to ever use a pull over machine that feels like that. And not a lot of this had a couple pieces of equipment. They had this really awkward tricep extension machine. You'd have to squeeze in like this and put your elbows on these pads. And then the top was like this.

And it was also used to chain. But oh my God, it was like simulating a skull crusher. It was a great tricep exercise And you won't find them with the chain anymore because I'm sure somebody got their finger in there probably lost their Luster hand at some point Next question is from Braden Kilgore. What is your favorite most fun program to run? Oh, yeah Yeah, what do you guys, okay, so. Doug, are you in a ball, like, I think you always go back to Anabolic?

It's always go back. I would say, since we've been together, I have ran a Maps aesthetic map performance as a baby program. It's like, I meld the two of them together. Aesthetic is notoriously my favorite. I just like, it's the way I like to train the most. It's always based off of how you train when you're doing it.

So I'm obviously on bias, right? But I know how valuable mobility is and actually doing some of the movements that we've included in performance. So I tend to follow our programming around a static and then I intermittently use things from performance and maybe a little bit of strong because there's some stuff in strong I really like. But that's I would say like much really funny about that we're gonna have like very similar

responses to buy mine is definitely performance is is where I come back to quite a bit. But I use trigger sessions instead of the mobility sessions. Only because the mobility part, I've dived into that for, it's not a week or two years. Yeah, it's a week of my always do anyway. I remember just doing the trigger sessions and that just blew my mind about how responsive my muscles

were and how stronger I felt going back into the regular workouts throughout the week. So I was like, I just loved to incorporate those whenever I came here. Yeah, I really, of course, some abs and a ball like I like that, loved aesthetic and split. But one program surprised me because I followed it mainly just because I want to follow programs that we write, especially when we're creating with other people, just to see, you know, the nuances and what I want to change or whatever. Map strong surprised me because- I run that every now and then. I like that strong. It's not like bodybuilder-centric. I like that bodybuilder style workout. It's not really like that, but I got such great gains in muscle

from following Map Strong, and I was doing so many movements that I normally don't do in my workouts, and it was phenomenal. And it's the one that we tend to get a lot of feedback from people where they're like, oh my God, I built my back got bigger or my butt. You know, I built my butt on that program. Now right now, I'm working on a, and I don't know what this will be called,

but it's kind of an anabolic 2.0, that's just, but nothing's out, whatever, I'm just kind of letting that out, that it's something I'm working on. And I'm incorporating different aspects, it's a little more advanced version of anabolic. I was also surprised, I really enjoyed running our maps power lift. Maps power lift is the first time I'd ever like, train that way before, where I was like, focused on the big lifts only and just kind of improving those.

And I mean, it's very well written. It just, I think with Ben and us writing a program together, I think that was a great collaboration. And that program was a program that. That one also gets a lot of good reviews. I was surprised by the game. I wish I remember, I know I haven't written somewhere. You're squat.

Explosion. Everything did. I mean, I was really surprised. I wasn't anticipating that. I mean, you've been lifting as long as we've been lifting. You understand programming as well as we understand programming. So whenever I do anything, I don't, today, I don't like expect, like, major gain. Like gaining five or ten pounds in a lift is kind of a big deal.

Sure. And I saw significantly more weight than that increase. So I thought, you're squatting up like 30 pounds. Yeah, my squat went up quite a, I think it was 30 or 50, actually my bench went up a good 25 to 30 pounds, everything kind of went up on that. It was really, and because I remember where I was, now, granted, I wasn't at the peak of my like training

and I wasn't at, I wasn't already in PR place, I was coming back from like not training as consistently, so you gotta take away some of that, right? But all in all, that one really surprised me. That one, that program surprised me. I really liked that one. But if I would say with my favorite because it's aesthetic-like,

so mostly following the aesthetic layout with a blend of probably performance and there's what mine are. Next question is from Moe Strength Gaines. How much of a difference do maces and ending clubs make for joint stability? Oh, this is a lot. It makes a big difference. It does.

And I never use these ever until meeting Justin. And then I started messing with it. And it truth be told, I don't use them all the time, but I have used them for weeks, weeks, or three weeks, and my best guess, and I'd love your input on this, Justin, my best guess is to why made my joints feel so good, is because there is no resistance,

no traditional resistance training movement that really emulates that circular motion that's required, the momentum that you're controlling while you're moving away, which is very much like deceleration. Yeah, all of that are components that the muscle is contracting and accounting for, and you have to be fluid with it too. So you have, it's almost like you got to know into tense and turn on the muscle and then also release and allow for that free flowing movement, which then to control it is the other portion of it.

So to stabilize movement is challenging for the muscle to account for. So it challenges a lot of what is your programming typically is devoid of. And what's really cool about it is instead of just body weight, we always think of body weight with mobility, right? And that's something that it's very impactful, it's effective, but then sort of we just move on, right? And it's funny, because I accidentally posted, like me doing some rotational movement with weight,

and this was on Instagram, and it was one of those feeds where it just, anybody can comment on it that's not a fan or doesn't follow us or whatever, and it was getting all this grieve, like rotational movements are stupid. You know. And it's like, are you kidding me?

Like, obviously, you know, this was some Gibroni out there that has never actually taken the time to work and develop the skill. It requires, and what's cool about it, what I'm getting at is that you can actually progress and be able to do more load and you can get stronger with these movements and that's I went through that whole process and got to a place where I can do that with substantial weight that I could swing around that beforehand if I picked it up I'd'd be worried that something was gonna break or something was gonna give way.

So I became pretty much of an evangelist for these because I just found out that was a strength. I didn't know I could develop that also translated really well to stationary, you know, bilateral movements and, you know, especially bench press and overhead press, it helps substantially. I'll tell you what, I loved about this.

And after Justin, because I didn't do it at all until we all met, and I went on my mobility kick for that two years or whatever it was. And during that time, I also started to learn how to use the Indian clubs in the Mace Bell. And the thing that I loved about it, especially when you're doing an in conjunction with correctional work and like body weight mobility stuff,

is once I had worked on like the thoracic and shoulder mobility and got it to a healthy place, then all I had to do was just swing the club or the Mace around for a little while. So once I got to a place where now I was in a better, advantageous position for my shoulders and my neck and spine and okay, I've done all this. Nice.

You need to turn the muscles on. Yeah, I did all this laborious, because let's be honest, I think the reason why most people don't stick with mobility is it's very laborious. So you're sitting down and you're doing these like active stretches all the time for a long time. And it's just, I know a lot of people that do it for a while

and they just kind of fall off. And I was really religious about it for a long period. And it's just, I know a lot of people that do it for a while and they just kind of fall off. And I was really religious about it for those two years. And then I started to advance it by getting into the clubs and the mace. And what I found was, oh shit, now that I'm here and my joints have good mobility, all I need to do is grab that sucker before I go to my workout and it's fun.

It's a lot more fun swinging a mace club or an Indian club, right? Because there's a flow to it and it's fun. It's a lot more fun swinging a Mace Club or an Indian Club, right? Because there's a flow to it, and it's kind of dynamic, and you can increase the weight and actually progress it. So it kind of makes me feel like I'm lifting, even though I'm not totally lifting, like traditionally. Traditionally.

Right, it feels cool, right? But now all I have to do, like I don't have to do the wall circles and the handcuff with rotation, so long as I get in there, and I do my mace swings and my Indian clubs. So it's more fun, it feels like it's faster to get that place.

I can progress it with the weight now. And it's, so to me that was like the most attractive part about it was getting introduced to it while I was learning to work on my mobility. And now all I have to do is that it's a lot like how I talk about my 1990 and combat stretch, I had to do that, and that was extremely laborious, and it took me a long time to get there.

But now that I'm there, all I gotta do is do like a deep squat. As long as I'm squatting really deep, I keep all those joints, you know, the mobile and able to take to that range of motion where I feel like that's the same thing with the Mace and the Indian clubs is if you do the work and you get to a place where you could actually safely swing it well, then that's all you got to do to keep that. Well, now you've established the strength and control.

Yes. You know, and again, to be able, it's just like when we talk about like mind muscle connection, first you gotta get the connection and that's what the mobility piece really provides. But now you gotta strengthen that. And this is a way to progressively strengthen that. And so, yeah, you can get to a point where you just pick up the club or, you know, the Mace Bell and you can stimulate the muscles and then it contributes to the workout.

Yeah, the Mace works the core like nothing else. A heavy Mace, we're gonna be behind your back, you're getting incredible whore workout. Yeah, the mace works the core like nothing else. A heavy mace, we're going to be behind your back, you're getting incredible whore workout. But you know, what's interesting is, you know, earlier in this podcast, we talked about anecdote, right, and the value of it when it's been around for a long time. Indian clubs and mace exercises have been around for just as long as dumbbells and barbells, and maybe even longer, especially Mace, right? Because you could probably go back and trace Mace training. I think God, I believe, yeah, back in India. Yeah, and a lot of the wrestlers you did, I mean, you could technically go and trace back Mace style training to like medieval times when they were swinging big swords and having

to practice then. And so when you find that people have found tremendous value over long periods of time of with training modalities. Now you have what's called training wisdom, right? Now what's funny is that some really smart marketers saw this old equipment, decided to bring it back, which was brilliant. That's actually a very smart strategy. Go back, find some old training techniques that were valued, bring them forward. Now they look like they're new training techniques, even though they've been tried and true for a long time,

and you'll provide a tremendous amount of value, just like Paulville did with the kettlebells. Right? Tremendous value in Indian clubs and maces. Incorporate those in your workouts, and they're gonna provide to you value that you won't typically get out of traditional resistance training.

So that's really the value. It's like, okay, why is it so effective? Because I can't think of a traditional resistance training. So that's really the values. Like, okay, why is it so effective? Because I can't think of a traditional resistance training exercise that is even close to doing the same thing. It's that different, right? But it's still resistance training. So that's kind of the beauty of it. Next question is from lean H17. Is chronic stress a strong enough of a component to keep someone from achieving their fitness goals? Oh, good question. Yeah. Let's kind of break that down for a second. Is something that has been proven to dramatically increase

inflammatory markers or inflammation to increase all cause mortality, increase risk of heart disease, cancer, insulin issues, like sensitivity issues, diabetes, raises cortisol, lowers testosterone, causes hormone imbalances of women. Could that possibly affect your results again? What when you frame it like that, of course. Well, that's why I did that because I know, but it's like someone asking, like, if you

drive 100 miles an hour, are you really likely to die? And it's like, what when you say, like, yeah, exactly. And then if you frame it, like, well, if you're driving like an asshole with your eyes closed at a hundred miles an hour on rainy roads, like, yeah, you're going to. Well, look, the bottom line is that that exercises stress on your body. And if you're already high stress throwing more stress at your body, now you're not going to respond whatsoever. And your body does some interesting things when it's under a lot of stress.

When it's under a lot of stress, it is trying to survive and protect itself. So what does it do? It raises cortisol. What's so bad about cortisol? Nothing is bad about cortisol, you need it. But when it's, this is what it does. It releases energy, so you burn more energy. It makes you not want to build muscle

because building muscle means now your body requires more calories. So we don't want to do that. It'll encourage fat storage because fat storage is like your insurance. And it can lower your libido because why should I throw your hormone profile off? All of that. Yeah. Right. So that's just that's just cortisol, right?

Why would it lower testosterone? Well, if my body's under a lot of stress, why would it want me to procreate or be driven to procreate? Like, let's not make that happen, right? And women you see other imbalances. Stress is a big one. It will crush your gains if your stress is too high. It would absolutely destroy your body's ability to build muscle or even burn body. And even if you're seeing results in spite of it, too, it's gonna dramatically slow it down. And gains and re-compening your body is a slow process already.

It's not an overnight thing to change your body composition. So it's already this long, slow grind to get to your goal as it is, if you throw chronic stress on top of that, I mean, even just making it 10 or 20% worse is a lot. And that, I think that is, I think, be honest with you, I think chronic stress is probably one of the main culprits that causes people to quit.

Because they feel like they're doing the right things because they're reducing calories and they're training their body really hard, but then they're not seeing the results. They're not getting the return on their investment. They feel like they're putting calories and they're training their body really hard, but then they're not seeing the results. They're not getting the return on their investment. They feel like they're putting all this work in, but what they don't realize is they already have so much chronic stress in their life,

and they don't recognize that the way they exercise is also considered a stress, and the one they're probably choosing is like the worst type of stress for their body, considering all the other things they're stressing. And so here they are putting in all this work. And I know there's somebody listening right now that could totally relate to this. You're sweating your ass on your work, you're consistent four or five days a week all the time. You make good food choices and your body just is not changing.

And a lot of times the culprit is stressed because you are just taking it from all of their ends. And because we look at exercise and diet as healthy and good for us, those both can be a stress. Eating in a calorie deficit is a stress. Right. Training your body, hell of hard, is a stress. And if you're adding that on top of a very stressful life, you'll stall the fuck out of your very strong signal. Yes. It's a defensive signal to your body, you know, to preserve things, right, at all costs. So, you know, sort of in this famine state

where, you know, if I'm consuming something, I wanna make sure I have adequate energy to move forward with. And so, you know, that's a strong signal to your body I'd produce is to keep you alive. So, you know, it is a part of the equation for sure. Yeah, and now it is important to know that stress isn't bad.

It's not, it's also not good. It's, it could be either. And it's essential, right? So they've done studies on quality of life and meaning and purpose. And what do they find? When people do things that are more challenging, that cause more stress, for example, have kids, if you decide to have children,

you can 100% bet that your stress is going to increase. But you can also, this is according to the literature, bet that your sense of meaning and purpose will also increase. So studies will show that stress is essential to a meaningful life. Stress tells your body to improve and strengthen, not having any stress would make you very weak and you

would be more susceptible to disease. This is why hot cold contrast, oh my health improves when I do that, well you're stressing the body and causing it to strengthen. Here's the other thing that we're not considering, how chronic stress, even if it didn't none of those things. So let's just imagine in a magic world where chronic stress didn't have negative effects physiologically on you. It still affects your behaviors.

So you will see that when people are chronically stressed, they're more likely to make poor food choices, for example. So I'm more likely to self-medicate with sweet foods or junk food or things that I normally wouldn't choose or alcohol, right? I'm more likely to do those things. Chronic stress could potentially make me more likely to choose inappropriate exercise for my body.

So what I tend to see with clients is people who are chronically stressed will do one of two things with exercise. Either one, they'll choose the form of exercise as too hard for them. Why? Because that extra cortisol makes them feel better in the moment, right?

So the chronically stressed person, they're most likely to do the spin classes and the orange theory and the circuit type training. Or it makes you not want to do anything. I can't even think straight, I want to do nothing. And so you're less likely to choose appropriate types of workouts for your body. You're more likely to choose foods that are unhealthy that aren't going to serve your fitness and health goals.

So even if chronic stress had no effect on you physiologically, it 100% for sure has an effect on you behaviorally. So what's the key to all of this? I think key number one is to be aware and then to place a little focus on management of stress. And well, what does that look like? Well, you could do things that offset it like turn off electronics and get off social media. By the way, this is a big one.

I was talking to, I can't say who this person was, but I was talking to somebody who, this is what they specialize in and they work with people and they work through stress like a therapist, right? And they said, one of the number one things they do when they work with people of lots of anxiety and stress, and it's an easy first step, is he says, I tell people to not go on social media and not watch the news, just for a couple of weeks, just to see how you feel. So that's one stress management strategy.

Another one is gratitude. Gratitude, man, that makes a big difference. This is probably why parents, again, with kids who are more stressed, less time, spend more money. Most parents, if you tell them, hey, would you trade your kids for not having them anymore? They'd say no, because they also bring this tremendous amount of gratitude.

So it reframes all those things and makes them worthwhile and valuable. So I think that's another strategy, right? Yeah, because you can get caught in that loop of just constantly focusing on, you know, either what you don't have or what's not working and then just keep reinforcing that same thought process, which then just perpetuates more stress to be accumulated as a result.

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