Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1713: The Risk of Joint Damage From Lifting Weights, the Benefit of Adding Bear Crawls to Your Routine, Raising Healthy Kids & More

Episode Date: December 24, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about why bear crawls are not commonly seen in the gym, whether it is dangerous for short or slender people to lift weights, the best habits and activities you can instill in your children throughout their development so that they grow up healthier, and how to balance drinking and going out with working on fitness goals. Mind Pump Fit Tip: If you are looking to lose weight, DON’T follow the Will Smith approach. (3:57) The struggles being a child of a celebrity. (19:35) Dad life updates with the guys. (24:27) How Mind Pump is the “Ready, aim, fire” crew. (30:43) Butcher Box is CRUSHING! (41:55) Fun Facts with Justin: Small ‘dong’ marches trying to bring awareness to end shaming of tiny penises. (47:01) Why Sal makes sure to take his Zbiotics before date night. (50:13) How we cannot gaslight the whole world because of hurt feelings. (55:52) #Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on bear crawls as they seem to be total body, but you don’t see them often in the gym? (1:03:29) #Quah question #2 - Is it dangerous for short or slender people to lift weights? (1:11:32) #Quah question #3 – What are some of the best habits and activities you can instill in your children throughout their development so that they grow up healthier? (1:17:21) #Quah question #4 - How do I balance drinking and going out with working on fitness goals? (1:31:43) Related Links/Products Mentioned EXCLUSIVE LAUNCH PROMOTION! (EXPIRES TUESDAY 12/28): MAPS Resistance $20 OFF **Promo Code – “RESIST20” at checkout** December Promotion: MAPS HIIT and MAPS SPLIT 50% off! **Promo code “DECEMBER50” at checkout** Can Will Smith Lose 20lbs In 20 Weeks? | Best Shape Of My Life Why The Scale Is Not Always The Best Way To Measure Progress – Mind Pump Blog Angel: How to Invest in Technology Startups--Timeless Advice from an Angel Investor Who Turned $100,000 into $100,000,000 Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! 'Small Dong March' aims to end 'shaming' of tiny penises Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! The Vesper | Campbell Parents of UPenn swimmers demand NCAA change rules allowing Lia Thomas to keep breaking women’s records @mindpumpsal Instagram post on UPenn swimmer Visit Oli Pop for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “mindpump” at checkout for 15% off your first order** How to Bear Crawl – Mind Pump TV How To PROPERLY Do The Bird Dog Exercise – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump #1502: How To Drink & Stay Fit Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Will Smith (@willsmith)  Instagram

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I got one for you. If you are looking to lose weight, don't follow the Will Smith approach. That's gonna rub some people the wrong way. He's so likable. I love him. I want to put, I want a disclaimer. I fucking love, well I don't know him, right? But his persona, and I actually watched this whole series.

I don't know if you guys watched the YouTube series. I watched the most one. Yeah, okay, yeah. I got a half week first one. That's the first one. That's what, anytime we have homework, it's what. Okay. I got about half a week to the first one. That's what any time we have homework gets what he does. Okay. I should just send him over the clinic notes.

I don't know. I don't know. I got three kids. I got three kids. I got three kids. I got three kids. I got three kids. I got three kids.

I was telling that I told him to recall. Yeah. Exactly. I got five kids, man. No. You know, it was actually, I actually got emotional a couple times and it was so good. Like, he is so talented and authentic and just, I don't know, he's up there with probably one of my favorite people as far as famous, but it always blows my mind. Someone of his caliber, the money he's got, he's got a trainer who he's had for like nine years,

and the advice and the stuff they're doing is shit. And what I don't know is this, so disclaimer, I don't know if there is this, because what I wanna be careful of is like, what if I was hired to do something like this, right, they said, hey, Adam Will Smith wants you to be his, you're getting shit on the clock. He has a very specific, losing this way.

He's the entertainment. Well, yeah, so what I don't know is if he actually does have a really intelligent trainer who's giving him better advice off camera or maybe it was even on camera, but they're like, that's not juicy for TV, right? We need to drum, and because it does have that feel

of they're trying to dramatize the pound every week that he's got a lose. Yeah, so in the first episode, spoiler alert, he, so I don't watch the second or third yet But in the first one at the end of the first week he gains a pound Yeah, and he's really crapped out about it and I thought that was a great opportunity To talk about what often happens in the first week especially if you're lifting weight So that's if you're a man. So that's what I'm alluding to right now

What I don't know is you know did his trainer off air but don't even trip, you probably built a little bit of muscle, you're probably water, like it's not even good. I want to be fantastic, this is scale. Right, so you don't see any of that in the video, all you see is him beat up. Now, I don't think he got that advice from his trainer because if you watch the next episode, his response was fasting.

So then he goes right into, he goes into eating boiled eggs and vegetables. We're like, without his trainer's knowledge, right? Right, he didn't get that advice from it. And I don't think his trainer would advise it. But that also too, I feel like if I was coaching him,

like Sal said, I would have used that opportunity to then say, hey bro, don't trip. Like this is totally normal in the first week. Sometimes we're gonna see a little bit of a, especially when you saw how hard he was weight training. I mean, he wasn't training at all, then I'll say he's weight training like that.

Okay, you're talking, okay, Will Smith, who in the past several times has had a lot more muscle on his body. He's got muscle memory. He played, I am legend. He was muscular, right? When he was Muhammad Ali, very muscular. So he's got muscle memory, stopped working out,

gained a bunch of body fat for his role in King or whatever, where he was a Serena Williams played that father. So if you're a man with that kind of muscle memory, he's obviously got some athletic ability because he's got a natural build. I would have told him ahead of time in the first week or two, the scale's probably not gonna change or might go up a little bit, but your body fat's going down while your muscle's going up and we're gonna test body fat. Well, knowing his past and his body type, I actually, even if our goal was,

because their main objective was lose 20 pounds in 20 weeks, which is very doable, in doable even the healthy way, but I actually would have said the first couple weeks, I don't really give a shit, I wanna go up. If anything. Let's build, right now. I wouldn't even focus on the scale at all. Yeah, yeah. Let's build the first like four first couple weeks, I don't really give a shit. I want to go up. If anything, let's build right now. I wouldn't even focus on the skill at all.

Yeah. Let's build the first like four or five weeks, build a metabolism, let's build some muscle, and then we could really crank it up to, and the, so their approach is bad. They start them off right away on like five to seven days of cardio in addition to his, in addition to his weight training, the intensity is there, training to failure. You see multiple times, he's last rep, he could squeeze out. So, I guess where I... I know, from add a shape to that,

that's a really fast jump to train that way, right away. Does it do need to? No, not only do you not need to, but it's actually counterproductive. Right, and that's the point I want to make is that, you know, because even though you, as you watch the whole journey go through, he ends up, I mean, he looks pretty good towards the end. And he had good results.

Overall, if you're, if you're all we're watching is a scale, but I bet you, if you watched the body fat percentage week over week, you could have made a way better improvement in that short amount of time. Well, people don't know this, but let's say you're 200 pounds and 15% body fat. And you gain 10 pounds of muscle and you don't lose any body fat at all in terms of on the scale. So you lost no body fat. You've only gained 10 pounds of lean body mass.

Your body fat percentage is actually already dropped because you now have more lean body mass and your body fat total is a smaller percentage of your body weight overall. So that's how percentages work. For example, if a guy like my size, let's say I'm walking around it, let's say 9% body fat, if you were to peel all the body fat off my body and put it on a 100 pound person, they would automatically have twice the body fat that I have because it's a percentage of body weight. So, the scale is not by itself because it's a percentage of body weight. So the scale is not a great, by itself, it's a terrible metric.

It's not, and it messes with you all the time. And I only ever used it with clients if it also came with circumference measurements and body fat percentage measurements so I could get lean body mass and fat mass. Otherwise, like, you know, it's actually expected. If I were training Will Smith, I would expect his weight to at the absolute least stay the same But probably go up because of all the muscle that he's gained and then they don't talk about in the beginning I don't know how they talk about this at the end if they do in that first week I would have said what you're stronger. How's your stamina? How do you feel right instead of you so craped out?

Because of scale there was lots of lessons in this thing. I mean, they were trying, they were being competitive with mild times, which was I think a terrible idea. They decided one day they're gonna do a step challenge. He gets so obsessive with the step challenge that he ends up like pulling a hammy and he couldn't even finish it the next day.

Yeah. Yeah, I have a setback. He's riding his memoir in the middle of all this, so he had incredible stress and deadlines and stuff like that, and then still cramming in these 30 minute intense workouts in between, because he had, now you have to talk about the brilliance though of what, because after I watched all of it and I kind of took a step back

and went like, okay, let's take a, forget the trainer in me that wants to pick apart all the things that I think I would have done different. I mean, I don't really even think that was the desired outcome here. I think that this was a brilliant creative way to launch a book. I, I agree. Exactly. Because the way they do it, so it's a drama attached to the process. That's right.

And every episode, he's breaking down a chapter in the book. So just like how Jordan Peterson launches his, like his 12 chapters and he give you a little synopsis. Little snippets. Yeah. So he does that and then intertwines it into the storytelling of losing weight. Wait, that was the goal.

For sure it was. They crushed it. You gotta know that Will's smart enough to know that one of the most popular things on YouTube are transformation videos. Mm-hmm. He and he's one of the most famous people out there. And you gotta show the drama, you gotta show this struggle,

you gotta show the speed at which you make this happen, how hard it is, that's what people will watch. And he already got like an insane amount of attention when he posted that, I don't know if it's on Instagram or the dad bod thing. Yeah, the dad bod thing just went like crazy. And so it's like, oh wow, the response for that, I'm sure, you know, catapulted that idea.

Oh, well, I actually think he already had it. Here he had it going. I think that was studying the table. I think that he did the King Richard thing. You gotta know that he had the contract already for the book well before all of this. So the book was already planned to do it. King Richard thing comes out.

He knows he puts on the most weight he's ever put on in his life and then light bulb goes off. Oh, here we go. I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna worship in my life. I'm gonna get in the best shape of my mind. I mean, I had what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna work shape of my life. I'm gonna get in the best shape of my life. I mean, I had a similar moment for myself

when I decided to get back into fitness. When I decided to get back into fitness, it was very similar to what I just so happened to be in the worst shape of my life. And I went, oh, this is perfect. I'm gonna turn on social media for the first time ever. Like, I'm gonna show a transformation. I'm gonna like document the whole process

so people can see it. And I had the same type of idea. Yeah, this is the same type of idea. Yeah, this is the challenge with fitness media. If you have any integrity is how do I get the attention so that I can deliver the right information, but also maintain my integrity. That's very challenging to do because you're competing with people who are selling it in ways that are effective, which is the struggle and the biggest loser approach and the crying and the hammering and I can't move and I'm so sore and then you,

you're like, okay, I know that that's not the right approach, but the right approach is boring. I mean, let's be honest, right? If you did the right approach, that's why we're not being. That's why it's not a drama enough. When you said that, oh, we could totally shoot a documentary like this and do it better, it's like, I don't agree with that. Well, so, thanks for bringing that up.

Here's what I think, not gonna be engaging. Not that we're gonna do this, we're not gonna do this, but if we did, I think there's enough awareness now around these transformation type videos and fitness entertainment that the approach would be, I mean, to get in the best shape of my life, but I'm gonna do it the right way. And then through the process, you're pointing out, normally this is what they show, but this is how you're supposed to do it.

And then this is what I do, and this is what you're not supposed to do, to show how you really do it. And then to show the results at the end where people go, oh wow, it actually works. You would almost need, I would think, like two different case studies going on at the same time, right?

Yeah, the comparison of how Hollywood kind of portrays it versus like, it almost would have to be on a same time, right? Yeah, the comparison of how Hollywood kind of portrays it versus like, it almost would have to be on a time lapse, right? You have to like super speed, you know, the longer approach in order to condense it down to something. You know what's funny is that it's the challenge and the difficulty of it is part of the sex appeal when people watch it, but people mistaken, because everybody knows it's very challenging to transform your health and your fitness. It is, it's a challenging process, but people

mistaken what part is challenging. They think the challenging part is, can I withstand brutal, destructive workouts and extremely restrictive diet for 20 weeks? That's actually not the challenging part. The challenging part is can I make? Sistency. Yeah, lifelong forever changes. And that's what makes it really hard, to be honest with you, and I'll argue this all day long. The 20 week hammer in my body, restrict myself, is actually easier.

It is far easier. In fact, people do that all the time. People lose weight all the time that way. So you would just have to find a way to present the real way. I don't think that exact thing. I really don't. I don't think it is sexy.

I think it, like there's parts in there where, you know, they dramatize, you know, him quitting and him not wanting to show up the next day of like flaking on his thing because he's just like burnt out on his thing. And they spin it in a way that it's like, but the truth is, and then they cut over to the therapist every once in a way that it's like, but the truth is, and then they cut over to the therapist every once in a while,

which the therapist is probably the most logical person of everybody that's in the documentary. She's encouraging him to do what's best for him versus he's got to prove people or whatever. But that's not sexy and entertaining to be. The truth is the trainer who's meeting him seven days a week, if my client who's been burning the candle at both ends. If they're like, man, I am burnt.

Yeah, what I tell him is like, don't come. Or I'd say, hey, why don't you come, who's walk? Let's walk and let's process what you're going. It's not your story. Yeah, let's just talk. Let's just talk. Let's just get you. Yeah, nobody wants to see that.

What they want to see is that he's got adversity and then he overcomes it. And he pushes through in spite of it, right? And because that's motivating and that will give you those juices flowing when you watch. How much does this conversation remind you of the first conversations that we had

when we started the podcast? Right. We used to talk all the time about, how are we going to impact, it was a big lofty goal, and maybe a bit narcissistic, but we thought we would be able to do this. And we said, how are we gonna be able to impact the field is a big lofty goal and we're maybe a bit narcissistic but we thought we would be able to do this and we said how are we going to be able to impact the fitness industry at

large and outsell in other words you know reach more people than the other guys who are selling everything the wrong way but it's sexy it's flashy we had lots of conversations about this like we got to beat them at their own game they're saying loose 30 pounds and 30 days by take a pill we're saying it'll take you two years to lose 30 pounds. Oh, dude. How do we do that? It brings it all back, right?

Because it's entertaining. Like, I was sucked in, like, and you get into the drama of it, and this is just the narrative that just keeps repeating itself because people see that and they're like, yeah, I can do that, you know, because it's almost like this one hard push, and then we're there. You know, and then that's it.

And so that's a message that just keeps perpetuating our industry. That's why I don't, I mean, what? I don't know if it'll ever leave too. I don't know if we could ever create something that is appealing, but done the right way. Because the right way isn't appealing. It's just not.

It's not sexy. It's boring. It's slow. It's got a lot of... When I would watch the biggest loser, I would imagine what it would really look like with a good trainer. Like, oh my God, I can't do this anymore. No, no, no, we need to stop.

You're going too hard, let's relax a little bit. Oh, you lost too much weight this week, let's back you off. The viewer would be like, click. And this is boring. Yeah, that'd be terrible. You ever talked to a police officer, like an actual cop or an actual doctor about TV shows about like Enforcement and in hospitals. It's the same thing. We'd never pull a gun out. Yeah

Dude, it's like that happens one percent of the time my buddy's like I have a buddy who's a cop and he's like dude He goes if if that was what it was like every single day like we would do it No way we would last he goes that happened like twice in my life. Most of the time I'm going up, people. That's a good point in analogy there too, because there are times when like, you're down, you're not motivated, and you should persevere and step up and go,

but it's like, that's the 1%. Right, there's that, few times where you're having that self talk or doubt or you're discouraged, and you should overcome step up, let's do it, but they play into that so much that they think that discourage and you should overcome step up. Let's do it. But they play into that so much that they think that like every time you run into that, it's hard or you don't feel like doing it, that you should like, you got this overcome it.

You know what two things about that stood out for me was that had nothing to do with fitness. One was the way the therapist talked about how Will Smith used entertainment and humor. How was this ultimate protection mechanism? Right, you missed what it got really good with that towards the later shows. Yeah, so I really liked that because it is true with people that, one way to protect themselves from being ridiculed

or bullied or. Well, did you hear the story where it all started for him? No. So where it started for him and he's like tells the story, it's very emotional. There's like probably like three different parts where I got really emotional in it.

And he tells a story of him and his siblings standing in the doorway and watching his dad clock his mom to where blood was coming out of her mouth. And he said that moment changed all the trajectory of all three of the kids' lives. And he said, his brother was fight, his sister was flight, and he was entertained. And it was all to, you know, his brother was fight, his sister was flight, and he was entertained. And it was all to, his brother would push back and fight,

his sister would run from the situation, his was distracted. Just deflect. Yeah, right? So just by entertaining and being that, and that's when that was born. So that was his character from very early on. And so he still is that guy today,

and he tells that whole story was you could tell Yeah, you could tell to when difficult things come up. He gets funny. Yeah, right? It's like oh, it's getting deep. Let's get funny and Distract you know the situation or don't take him off boy. He gets into his I really want you guys to get to the kids part because he seems like a great Yeah, I don't know him right he might be just a great actor. Bro his his Jayland mm-hmm try to be try to get emancipated. Oh wow. Yeah So there was a there was a struggle there. Oh, yeah He he had a struggle with all of them. Yeah his Jaylin. Okay, so his oldest is

You know will the third with a calm tray his his oldest He admits that he was the most naive with him obviously because he was the first right so he was completely like didn't know What he was doing and learning and then Jalen is the second one where he's claimed he calls himself You know will 2.0 where he started a piece together But I mean that kid wanted to be a man's name as youngest one willow is will one that he admits that will come up And it was she was she committed to a tour with him in Europe Where she would get out on stage with him. She wanted to perform a some of that.

And after the first night, she came to him and said, I'm done, I'm done, daddy. And he goes, oh no, honey, we still have a whole, whatever to go and stuff like that. And she goes, no, I don't wanna do it anymore, I'm done. And he's like, oh, honey, we've committed to the next month of doing this. And he said the next morning, she woke up

and she shaved her head completely. Oh. And he said that woke him up at that moment and he realized that he wasn't hearing her and what she was trying to say to him and then he took care of it. But he said that it completely changed his life at that moment.

But you're talking about the third kid and she's already I think like nine years old or so at that point. That signal to hear. That pulls that you man, those dad struggles. Well that's why I think like nine years old or so at that point that signal to here. That pulls that you man those dad struggles. Well that's why I wanted you guys to listen to it because it was a I mean I got all emotional listening to him talk about his mistakes. Do you know how old she was when you like nine nine yeah and all the kids are all the and so and Jalen was his big moment of what after wanting to be emancipated from him was you remember when they did that movie together

after wanting to be emancipated from him was, you remember when they did that movie together, that flopped? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the, sci-fi one, the war, the world one, or the whatever, the end of the world one,

so he did that with his son, and it flopped, it was like his worst movie he ever did. And that was the first one he did with his son, and he's like, he totally felt like he let his son down because he told his son everything to do in that. And then his son took on all the criticism that came.

And so that totally created a wedge between the two of them. I don't know. I don't know why any parent would put that make put their kid on a stage in that way. Yeah. But what you mean, what if they want to bro? If they look, if you're, if you're there everything, I so I, I mean, what are you going to do when you're going to throw up?

They want to be on the podcast. No, no, that's fine when they're older, but at that age, I don't know, I remember being a kid. Yeah, you don't know because if you're young and talented and you've got talent already and you're begging, I don't know if I would say no, like especially if they're talented and they're wanting to follow in your path.

I don't know, it's tough, it's tough because here's the two scenarios. One, and this I think is the worst scenario, they crush and are loved by everybody and they're nine and they're killing it. And then at some point, which happens to all these child stars, they lose that admiration, that love that they've created an identity around

which you're not gonna be like you were when you're nine forever. Now people forget about you. And oh, I can't imagine what that would do to me as a teenager, let alone as a man in my 40s. Yeah, but I think that's naive of you to think that, you know, you're gonna stop a preteen on their dream of following in your footsteps. You know what I'm saying?

Like, what's the backlash from that? I, it depends on the situation. That would definitely disagree. It's really easy sitting out here for us to say that, but it's not ideal, right? Not if you see the statistics with like child actors and what happens as a result. They're terrible, right?

I totally agree. They're terrible. But yeah, it would be a tough conversation when, you know, they're gonna want to rebel if you're gonna just, that's right. And then it may backfire even more on you. Of course, so every situation is different. That's a tough one.

I think there's a dad year over there, you're just praying to God that it doesn't happen, but you know, being in it is a whole different thing. I would try to find a way to do it differently, but I mean, of course I'm talking and I haven't been in that situation. Yeah, right, right. But I couldn't imagine getting like all these followers

on social media as a kid, real popular. And then you go through your ugly years or your different. Now everybody doesn't like you anymore, you're not as popular. What that would do with you. I mean, to be interesting, I guarantee that one of us three are even including Doug. One of us four is going to have to handle this one time.

We all have young kids right now who are on social media that one day will be by the time they are. I mean, you're already over 100,000 followers. The podcast getting millions of listens every single month to you or to them. You're fucking already super famous. Wait till they're at an age where they turn it on and you think they're not gonna wanna be like that with you?

I don't know. I know, I mean, I think that's- And the odds of all of us with all of our kids that one of them is it? Somebody's having that conversation in the next five years. Maybe I shouldn't make my kids feel real insecure. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, I'm not sure. I think you'd suck, you know? Yeah, you're not ready. Construction. Yeah. That's a tough one. Oh, it's gonna be time. I know it's gonna be tough. You know what I'm talking about? Here, I's a tough one. Oh, it's gonna be time.

I know it's gonna be tough. You know what I'm talking about? Here, I got a tough one for you guys. So let's hear what you guys have done here. This happened to me last night with Max. So we have like this routine. I probably take a bath with him probably, I don't know, two or three times a week, right?

That's part of our routine, right? That's where you put the toys in her? Yeah, yeah. So I, I mean, I'll do as long as I can, I made it so it's 16 or so, we'll probably stop somewhere else. I said that same thing, dude. So I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll do as long as I can. I made till his 16 or so. We'll probably stop somewhere. I said that same thing. Even then it just got awkward. Yeah, I don't know what, right now it's not awkward. He can't talk. He's like, they were just having fun in there. We're playing GI Joe's. He's the best. Yeah. Yeah. So

I, we'll, we'll see at what age my, my brother-in-law was, would take showers with his son. And then he stopped when his son started saying things like daddy's penis has a mustache. Okay, we're done with this. Yeah. All right, you're too old. Yeah, right now he's not talking. So I feel like it's okay. But let's so so this is kind of routine.

And I always love to mess with Katrina because I am the one who likes to let him run around naked whenever he wants to. She's like, he's gonna be on the floor. And he has. So she's right. So I just think it's funny because when there's something about kids, when you strip them down naked, they just want to go run and just play and jump and do. Yeah, I think it's so funny, right?

So I always like as the bathtub is filling up, I strip them down. I let them run and Katrina's like chasing them around. Why do you let them do this? You know, and he's running away from her. I don't know. I think it's so cute and funny. So then then I put him in as it's filling up and stuff, and then eventually I get naked and then I get in.

And so I'm getting ready to get in. He's standing there playing with his toys, and I'm like climbing in the bathtub and I'm just to get to my second foot in, and he's just standing there and he's looking at me and he holds his dick and he just starts pissing. No. And so I'm in this conflicted moment of,

do I just say fuck it and get in? You know what I'm saying? It's not like I haven't been in a pool or someone's pee or something like that before, or like get back out and listen, friendly. The bath is already almost full. Do I empty this whole thing of water and then refill it? Totally not dunk in my face in this.

Yeah, I had such a weird conflicted moment. Did you laugh? It would have been so hard not to laugh off of cool. I laughed because I was frustrated because I was just like yeah max Come on Yeah, and I'm standing there. I just I just slide in and get in the bathtub and just you know, I whatever Yeah, so I don't even know what the right move was right there No, if you have kids at some point, they're probably gonna do the same thing. Well, yeah, it's just, it's not, I'm like, okay,

and it's not like I haven't been in probably, in a pool. Dude, when little boys figure out they can aim with their pee, there's, yeah, he's not there, yeah, and he's definitely at the, yeah. Yeah, my buddy's son, they were teaching him how to pee. Oh, you aim and they throw the cheer you on the toilet, the whole thing. And he comes home from work the next day,

and his son's like just peeing designs in the carpet. Oh, you aim and they throw the cheer you on the toilet, the whole thing. And he comes home from work the next day and his son's just peeing designs in the carpet. Oh, yeah, he could do it. Dude, yeah, once my kids figured all that out, like I would take him outside and take the dogs out and it was like a ritual that we'd all pee on this tree. Together, and that's just, we're outdoorsy people. That's so mean. We're mountain kind of people. this totally backfired on me

But I think I bet you were in a public event sometime dude. I told I told you this story Yeah, so we were walking downtown Santa Cruz. Oh, it's a great and like you know my youngest was like I don't know He was maybe maybe two or three and just found this tree and like had the urge and looked at me and then just dropped his pants and started peeing on the tree and like, people were just walking around. Even though at least they were cool and they're laughing. You know, I was just like, I don't know where he gets us from. I would have died.

Yeah, I would have died. You could always tell who's like the parents, right? Cause parents just get it. You know what I'm saying? That's how I was, even when we were flying Saladai flew out to Arizona this last week or a week or two ago, right? And when some kid in the airport member, oh, yeah,

Just screaming and you know when before you have kids are like how I mean, that was just like after you have kids I was the guy who was just like motherfucker like leave you don't have any family you can leave your kid with further You know what I'm saying? Why drag them in the airport? Tell them myself. I'm never gonna be that kid And then you have a kid and then you go like, oh poor dad. Hey, we, stop when we look at each other. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we've been there, dude.

Yeah, he also wanna help him sometimes. They can't get you anything. You know some gripe water or something? Yeah, no dude, my baby son, he's, so you know how we teach him sign language, right? So he knows like, he does more, he, he does, yeah, more and and milk he does all these signs. He now is creating, yeah, he does,

this is this milk, which is hilarious, because we'll be out, you know, and he'll look at Jessica and you'll be like, and she'll be like, ha ha ha ha ha, you know, it's okay buddy, we're gonna get him. And then he'll just grab her shirt, start pulling down. The best is we're gonna do it some other lady dude,

who's gonna stand in front of him. Yeah, I guess. Sorry. Or what if I do it? Yeah. Hey,'s gonna stand in front of him. Sorry. Or what if I do it. Yeah. But anyway, he makes up his own, he's made up his own signs. For a couple things. It's so cool.

I feel like this is the dad. Like why? The dad is like my son's a genius. No, no, no, no, no. Bro, he's speaking Spanish with his hands. No, no, no, no. He said the whole declaration of independence. No, no, no, he sits there and if he wants something,

if he wants to try something of someone else's, he does this. He points to his mouth and we figured it out. So we always does it. So if you have water or you're eating something, you'll point to it and then you'll go like this, like put it in my, and then, so there's that one, then he does my favorite as a sign for music.

So because he loves us to put music on. So, if he wants it on, he looks at us and he does this with his arm. I swear to God. Very jerseyshawar. I swear to God, I will post a video of him doing that. I swear to God, you'll look at you and go, you'll start fist pumping.

His first word's gonna be maaaah. Yeah. G-T-L, right? Warm up the sauce, not my heart. I'm not fist bumping. His first word's gonna be maaah! Yeah! Yeah! GTL, right? Warm up the sauce! No, it's my heart. You know, it was like, like, so warm when I saw that. That's great.

He also does this thing where if, like, I'll listen to EDM with him, Jessica, put the country on or whatever, but you know how EDM always has like this. There's a formula. No, well, it starts off kind of slow, and it builds up, and then there's a drop, right? So as it's building up, you'll stop and he'll do this with his arm and then when that beat drops or whatever He does this weird like shimmy

Like like what's his name? Axel Rose from Get slinky. Yeah, he does this thing like this and we're just we're dying Anyway, you know what I you know what I wanted wanted to bring up is, so we're all listening or at least, I don't know if you are at just, are you listening to Angel, the book Angel? I have a third, yeah. Okay, so it's really good. And it's about angel investing.

And so we've, you know, for people don't know, we, part of our business is also angel investing in companies that we believe are gonna, you know, do great later on. It's risky, but there's always a huge, potentially huge payoff. But anyway, we've done this now with like six companies and I started listening to this book, Adam recommended it.

And in the book, he really breaks down the things you should look for and like bet on the CEO, not on the product. And so after listening to it, I'm like, man, we are so like the ready fire aim crew. That's where it got like I was all it's like we had no idea what we're doing and we're just going, you know, and now I hear this and like, oh man We could have totally that's the only way we operate. It's true. Yeah, but there's value in that right? They're I think there's tremendous value. Yeah, I mean I

You know out of all of us. I've probably been the most to that in in reading around real estate stuff, right? And we've been doing that now for almost two years and there's a lot of things now when I look back like I would have done different, you know as far as choices that we've made as far as investment now overall I think we've done really well as far as the portfolio and stuff and I'm very happy with where we're at But you I mean, I think you just continue to learn And I think that we knew enough getting into the angel investing that like listen, this is a pretty smart strategy where we're advertising with these people. Anyways, they're paying us to do that.

We're kind of playing with house money when you think of it. So, and we can influence the success of the company because of the size of the show and stuff. So we know them well because we don't work. And we have a relationship with them and we like them. So it's like, okay, this kind of makes sense sense after you can dive deeper into it and you say like I've been listening to podcasts all around startups and investing I've been reading I've reading the books now and I'm going like okay and it makes such obvious sense you brought it up before we get on the podcast that we start

the saying with gyms right and guys like Amy worked in Salinas, which is notoriously known as like one of the worst the graveyard. So yeah, it's the first club that I used to send GMs that they wanted to fire there because it was like, yeah, because everyone fails there, right? And I worked I worked at Capitol, McKee, which was the considered the one of the first. It was one of the first five that was really run down and the flagship one that I ran the first one was was one of the first five that was really run down and shitty. The flagship one that I ran, the first one was Sunnyvale, and the pool was green half the time. Well, right there.

So you just named Selenis Sunnyvale and Capitone McKee, arguably the three worst clubs out of the 400 and something clubs they have in the entire company. You can make that. They did spend around a long time old, even Capitone and Sunnyvale, which are big clubs, they're old.

They didn't ever redid them. It was just... Right, and the reason why that is is they were so early on that they built the EFT on it, and so they had a, they didn't need to put any money in it to try and drive. They didn't care about it, and you could tell. They treated that way. So really hard for a manager.

Anyways, the point I was making was that we used to say there's no such thing as bad clubs, just bad managers. And it's true because I know you went to Salinas, Larry went to Salinas, you guys both crushed out that place. I broke records out of Capitol, McKee, I know you broke records out of Sunnyville. And it is, it's a testament to like the leadership of these things or something.

Why would that be any different with a startup company? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like logical. Yeah, it's very logical and obvious. I've seen way too many state-of-the-art gyms with incredible equipment, you know, say it's like logical. Yeah, it's very logical and obvious. I've seen way too many state-of-the-art gyms with incredible equipment, great location, tank, because the team and the management suck. So, and it makes perfect sense with any company. It's like, you know,

the you bet on the person and the people not necessarily on the product or the service. Well, yeah, imagine a company that has an incredible product that's seeing 100% growth month over month the last year or two. You have no idea who the founder is. And then you have Elon Musk that is running in the red. You know, and his company's not very successful yet, but he has a vision and an idea of like, who do you bet on? Exactly.

You know what I'm saying? I think everybody would agree, like, oh, Elon Musk, well, yeah, of course, because we all know. But you know what this reminds me of, too, it's the character, yeah. When we first came out with our maps programs, when we first put them and made them digital

and filmed them the whole deal, we, one of the biggest things that I think gets in people's ways is the fear that it's not perfect, the product's not perfect. The market's not perfect, the marketing has to be perfect, everything has to be absolutely perfect. And the problem with that is, you don't know what perfect is yet, because the market hasn't taught you yet,

what works and what doesn't work. And one of the best things you could do is to put something out, look at the response, see where you should spend your time and money, and then just keep... Yeah, retention of the feedback and apply what makes sense and to make a better product. Yeah, and just to take that step, don't be so afraid.

That's the biggest thing. And if you look at some of our original, which they're not out anymore, they've been revamped several times, some of our original videos from programs and stuff are left. I did a post on this like two, two or three years ago, I did a post about this.

And what you're saying is the perfect recipe for paralysis by analysis. Yeah. You know, where you get, and there's definitely people listening right now that are entrepreneurs that are guilty of this. And I've worked with plenty of them. Yep. Where they want everything to be perfect before they launch. And the problem with that is that there's somebody else who's willing to do kind of like where we're at was like, oh, I like this idea.

Let's just do it. And then we'll learn from our mistakes. So we'll reiterate. We'll get four or five times of being able to reiterate before they even get off the ground with the first one. And I mean, timing is everything in business. Like if you're one of the early adopters or something or first to market, many times even if your idea isn't perfect or refined, you'll have tremendous success just because you're first to market.

Where if you're last to market, your idea does have to be perfect in order to surpass those people that got there first. So, I think this is actually one of the Achilles heels of many entrepreneurs that are trying to get started. Is there so concern about putting something out that is unfinished or isn't perfect or to get criticized or whatever? Yeah, that's a big one.

It's the fear of failure at which time. You're going to, here's a bottom line, you're going You're gonna step in the ring you're gonna get punched in the face You're gonna get Chris just go ahead and like assume that's gonna happen anyways Yeah, you know, I'm gonna you so bear with me guys. I'm gonna do a sports analogy guys. Oh god All right, so I put my sit belt on real quick. Yeah, so no, it's like this right? It's like trying to become it's the best athlete you can at your sport without ever playing the sport. Like it's not gonna happen, right? Versus, I gotta go out on the court and play, or I gotta get on the field and play

and then learn through that. Who's gonna learn faster, who's gonna be better at performing that particular sport, right? Not to mention, where does the most growth happen? In failure. Totally. So if you're so concerned about not failing and not realizing that that's one of the best recipes for success.

Yep. So to get it, I remember when I shared this not that long on the podcast where I read something about like the number of failures that the billionaires all had, like the average number of business failures that every billionaire had. And it was like nine or 10. That was the average. And obviously some way more than that. And it was like nine or 10. Yeah. That was the average and obviously some way more than that.

And I was young. I was only like 21 or 22 years old. Let me guess. You're like, let me get to my first nine. Yeah, that was like, literally, it completely, it really reframed the way I looked at any business idea I had anymore. Instead of me, like if I had an idea,

it was like put it into play right away. I didn't want to even wait to think, oh, is this a good idea? Let me ask someone smarter than me. I was like, no,, it was like put it into play right away. I didn't want to even wait to think, oh is this a good idea? Or let me ask someone smarter than me? Or like, no, fuck it, I like it, let's do it. And then, because I got to get to 10. And I'm not even close at that age. I only had maybe one or 200 my belt.

So it was like, you know what, I need to get out there and just do this because if every one of these billionaires has a minimum of nine to 10 on their belt, and I'm only at one right now, I got a lot of work to do before I get there. Yeah, I've told the story before, a very impactful client that I had was a gentleman

who, multi-multimally, millionaire, didn't graduate high school, grew up very poor, rough upbringing. And I remember asking him, I was like, can you give me the best advice or whatever? And he says, you need to ask me the following question. I said, what, and he goes, ask me how many times I failed? So I said, okay, how many times have you failed? He goes, so I've gone bankrupt three times trying to accomplish what I've accomplished. And

he went through each time that he went bankrupt. And I remember as he was telling me, I thought to myself, I don't I wonder if I would have even tried again after the first one. Like I was devastating. That must feel to bankrupt feel, to bankrupt after doing something. So that's the key. And now what I would look for is, is this person tenacious, passionate? Do they know what they're doing somewhat? And are they adaptable?

That's the big one. That's the adaptable part. Because they work their way through all these problems and address them right away. Yeah, I look at it as an accelerated education. Yes. Just getting into it and then getting that immediate feedback and altering things to make sure you're moving forward with a successful product.

But you have to have that immediate feedback in order to even get that. No, Doug, you're probably the least like this, yeah. Would you say you're less ready, aim fire, or would you say you're... It really depends on the situation. I mean, I've entered into a lot of things without a lot of knowledge in the past. That's right, oil guy, forgot. Yes.

So. I actually was so surprised when he had the ant. He's like, I did that. I'm so nervous. I've done a lot of things. I've done a lot of things. I'm fairly cautious now because I've lost a lot of money over the years.

I put some money into some investments that I thought at the time were gonna make me super rich. And I lived in Japan for six and a half years. I worked and saved my money. I had purchased stock in Microsoft, in Starbucks. I had like these stocks, and I bought a triplex up in the Seattle area, and I sold everything to get into some investments

that ended up going to zero. So yeah, I've taken risks and I've lost it all. So if I had to, if you were to draw a line down the middle and say like the four of us, you know, the super conservative or like, you know, slow to start and then the other two, then you have the other side ready aim fire away. I would say that Sal and I are probably too extreme slow to start and then the other side ready aim fire away.

I would say that Sal and I are probably too extreme on the ready aim fire like there's no thinking involved at all. I was just like, I liked it, let's do it. And then I would say you and Justin are a little bit more on the conservatory. Which is why we make such a beautiful balance of us. Having kids made me more conservative, that's for sure. Because now I'm like, well, if I fail this time,

no college for you, you know. so I thought about it a little differently, but I mean, I drove down to Palm Desert and took, at the time, I see I'll hold it at 21, I had saved $100,000 in my own money, which was, you know, I didn't go to college, right? So I worked from 18 till then, saved all that cash, left and put it down as part owner of this gym and let it roll. And I almost lost it.

Luckily I came out flat. I didn't make anything, I didn't lose anything. So I've always kind of been that way. After having kids, I became a little more conservative because now it's other people are depending on them. Which is why I tell people, and they ask me advice, I always ask them, do you have kids? No, I don't.

Take the risk now, because right now, what's the worst that could happen? What are you going to do? You're going to fail. Big deal. Go get a job. You'll get back on your feet. It's not that big of a deal. Get your nine out before you have your kid if you can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. So speaking of companies that crush and took risks, right? I was supposed to talk about butcher box. What a great example, right? Here's a company that said, we're going to make meal. We're going to make grass-fed meat delivery, bring it to people's doors, eliminate middlemen, make it affordable.

It's gonna be a subscription service, who the hell bought meat on a subscription service before? And they blew up. Oh, I wish we would have caught, there's a couple companies that say, I wish, yeah, fresh. The Ori and then butcher box are for sure two companies that we've been with now for like four years or more.

And I wish that we were in a place capital-wise to have invested in them, because I didn't but your box come out with their valuation a couple of just a year or two ago and it was up there. I thought I saw an article on the do you guys know? Well, they just, they do so well, they're so good and they've proven the subscription model for this kind of stuff,

which companies wouldn't have touched before. Speaking of which. What'd you guys think about the salmon? I was just going to say, okay, so one of the challenges with eating on the go, if you're like trying to take care of yourself, is protein, right? Okay, see there are protein shake, a bar, which okay, that's fine, I guess, but I'd rather have whole natural foods.

What can I eat that I don't have to store on ice or put in a fridge that's out protein? The salmon bites are vacuum sealed. You eat them right out the bag. You can take them with you anywhere, high in protein, they're hell of good. I'm like, this is one of the best, like on the go meals that I've had.

I thought even Justin liked it. Did you like it? I did. I did. I was actually, yeah. I had a good one. You really like it, huh? I really did like in, and again, like it? I did. Yeah, I had a huge mouth. I really did. And again, everybody knows my aversion to fish, but I'm a big beef jerky guy and smoked meats. And it just had really good smoke flavor.

And it was actually pretty delicious. It was amazing. And I'm with you, Sal, anybody who's ever really tracked their protein and tried to be consistent with that, it's hard. That's one of the hardest things to be consistent with, especially when you're on the go, or if you do travel carbs, that's easy. Yeah, the protein, and you can pull over

at any gas station and get a whole host of carbs, but when you pull over to gas station, what is everybody eat like protein-wise? It's not tricky. Yeah, it's either be-per-erty, yeah. Right, it's like, it, or some nuts, which is mostly fat in a little bit of protein. So you're only two options. Yeah, it's really tough very key. Yeah, right. Or some nuts, which is mostly fat, and a little bit of protein. So you're only two options.

Yeah, it's really tough to get a good amount of, 20, 30 grams of serving of protein, but having that would be amazing. And Doug, you just, all you had, yeah, it was in the refrigerator, that was it, right? That's it. Wow. I don't know if you even need to storm in the refrigerator.

You don't. I think there's smoke. Yeah, smoke, there's a vacuum seal. Okay, we'll explain that to me. So if so. I'm not sure why they sent them to us over on ice But maybe because they're up. Yeah, because maybe it's hot or whatever So you really think that you could store that I don't know for sure

Well, let's double check, but I know you can eat you now what I know you could do is break this down me so if something is smoked and vacuum sealed you don't necessarily have you can buy smoked salmon at the like Costco For example, it's similar to reserves it longer. It's similar like how beef jerky last, because it's dry, it's smoked, and it's vacuum sealed no bacteria. Now once you open the packet, now is that because the smoke takes all the moisture out of the meat, so with that,

so there's not a, there's a lower chance of bacteria building up. And I'm like, what is it about it? Because obviously if you cooked, if you like did a pan, sear salmon, and then you just let it sit out. So I'm gonna talk at him ass now, but I'm gonna guess. So I don't know quite no, but you know,

when they make ceviche and it's raw fish, but they use the acids from the lemons and stuff, that kind of cooks it. Kind of cooks it. I think the smoking process is similar. It does something similar. I feel like Doug's more qualified to talk about this than you do.

I don't know, but they used to preserve fish and meats with salt, for example. And one of the things you do with a smoked salmon, for example, is you put it in a brine, and then you smoke it. And so I think the combination of those two things caused the meat to last a long time. Well, and that's what I'm asking,

or what I'm guessing, is that it has something to do with probably pulling the moisture out of it Yes, it's the moisture where the bacteria would probably grow on right? Well, I would think so moisture, but salt also prevents that's good right salt prevents bacteria So in sailors would salt meat and then travel while you'll have to look that up because that's basically even cool I mean even if you just had to have it in your refrigerator than you took it on the go It still would be fine still be amazing But if it doesn't need to be stored like that,

that's even crazy. Now I would bet that once you open it though, you probably need to eat it within a certain period of time. Sure. So once you open it. But anyway, it's natural and it's good. So good.

Yeah, it's actually surprisingly good. Totally. And for me, it's like traveling and even protein. Now I've got you foods that, you know, you guys know, I'm like, I have sensitive gut. So it comes to paying the butt like, all right, what do I pick or whatever? To answer your question about the salmon bites, however,

they do need to stay frozen or refrigerated. No, frozen, okay. So they're super fresh. Okay. I don't know why the ones you buy, like a Costco can stay in a box. Well, they probably are putting a bunch of preservatives and you're definitely doing much.

So that would imagine you take it and then take it with you and as long as you eat it within 24 hours. It's more dry because you remember the bites were quite moist and yeah, they weren't dry. No, they were not. I mean, you guys say jerky, but it's you're gonna give people the wrong impression. No, it's not speaking of a small moist bites. Let's hear this way. Are you gonna bring this up finally? I've been seeing this in the low. Yeah, oh, let's hear this way. Let's hear this transition. Are you gonna bring this up finally? I've been seeing this in the low. It's like, yeah, yeah, I have some tension here.

It's like, it's like a month since I've been trying to bring this up, this happened a while ago, but there's been like, like protest marches around. If you guys heard about this, it's a small, like, small dick marches. What? No, they're trying to bring a weird house the only one that got invited. Oh my, guys, you're trying to bring a warehouse only one. We weren't invited.

Oh my guys. You're the only one invited. You were there with me. I'll dare you. I'm in the locker. We're the only one on that email this bro. I tried to join this. God.

Yeah, no, no, no. You started this, but it's like a whole, it was pretty hilarious. Like the signs alone, if you just look it up online, it's like all dogs go to heaven. And it's really just trying to like destigmatize like these guys that have like small decks that really are get shamed for it.

Doug, you got to pull up a clip of the, so it's a protest of March with a march. And so like this happened like in New York and LA. We have small penises. Yeah, big hearts. Exactly. Exactly. Something that we're in, like hot dog outfits and yeah, trying to bring awareness to the fact

that, you know, some guys, they got little shrimps and they're proud. Activists hold small dong march to end shaming of tiny penises. Wow. Wow. That's hilarious. Small dick big heart. By the way, I'm on the opposite side, we need to bring back more shaming, Justin said that to their dip.

I did say, you said that. That was one of my fit tips. I guess that's so long ago. You did a fit tip, did you see that fit tip? I did, yeah. He's a fine friend that will shame you a little bit. But I mean, like, yeah, exactly. Like, the point is, you wanna have like real accountability

with people around you, so you know that they're being honest, right? Like that's a better way to say. This whole like small penis thing. So I had a buddy years ago. Oh yeah, I have a friend, huh? Yeah, yeah. I have a friend with a really small penis.

Listen. Tell us about this friend, South. You've seen me. So tell us, that's not bullshit. Tell us about this friend. So listen, here's, no, this is what's funny. I had a buddy, this was his strategy. So, you know how guys always joke around.

I got a big one. And he's like, why? You guys do that. He goes, say you have a small one and they're pleasantly surprised. That's hate and terror. I'm not loa- No, everybody knows that.

I thought that was brilliant. No, it's not that brilliant. I thought that was really smart. Everybody knows that. You did really? Yeah, yeah, of course. Is that well known? Yeah, it's super well known.

You had a buzz. Over it. You under-promise and over-deliver. I mean, that's been a- Listen,? Yeah, it's super well known. Adam has a book. Over it. You under promise and over deliver. I mean, that's been, that's been. Listen, I'm only last 30 seconds. It's like, well, that was a minute and a half. That's exactly right. There's three times as long as you told me.

Yeah. So that's just happened. Was it pretty big Doug? No pun intended. No pun intended. Oh, it's actually tiny. It was a small march. It was a small march.

Is that what it says to you? I'm not seeing it. Now, I heard that they've been reporting on these things prematurely. My dog is not choking hazard. Oh, no, no, no. He's even got his handle. See that, he's got his Instagram handle next to it too.

So you can look him up. I did respect, though, for these guys that actually go out in public and are having signs and you know, like that's pretty bold. This is a girl. Look at this, a girl with him. Yeah, man. Oh, buddy. Don't bring a girl about March. Let's roll with you, dude. That's hilarious. I love it. Yeah, this so speaking of of penises, I'm having a date night tonight with the wife. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's right, honey. Hopefully you get seen. Yeah. Yeah. Not to feed it. No,

so we've been doing this like twice a month where we do date night. You have to do this. If you have kids, especially if you have little kids, there's no spontaneity in the date night. It's not gonna happen, you got a baby, what are you gonna do, right? So twice a month, we schedule it.

And what we've been doing is going to like really nice restaurants or fun experiences, great conversations, great connecting. Tonight we're not doing any of that, we're going to a bar. I have not gone to a straight up bar with the wife in so long. So we're going to eat beforehand at home. Okay, so go get some drink.

This, I find this a weird idea. What, why a bar? It's, so when just, and it's more kind of bars, this idea. Who's ideas this? Yours are hers. Like a dive bar. Are we talking about like a nice, swanky.

No, there's a nice bar up in Campbell. I don't know if I should say, well, sorry, this will air after I'm already there. Vesper, have you guys been to Vesper? Great, Doug, remember we went to the mine. Yeah, I've been to Vesper. Oh, is there last week? Oh, where are you?

Oh, cool. What are you doing there? Doug, Doug, part of the drink. I haven't a drink. You're self? No, with a girlfriend. Oh, shit, it's on air. Oh, my goodness. That's right. He's a change. It's

broke so much. He's a Facebook profile. This isn't count. You just broke everybody's heart. That's it. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Not to the gun. No, no, no. You're losing that. It's one of the two wife thing. It's okay. He could do that. Stop. It's still in there. Don't get him in trouble. He's the most loyal man you've ever met. No, we did this. When Jessica and I first started dating,

I'm not an alcohol guy. I don't like drinking whatever. You're a man, you've ever met and you're like, no, we did this when Jessica and I first started dating, I'm not an alcohol guy, I don't like drinking whatever. She likes different kinds of beers and you guys know this. We go out, she's always like, no, I want that. She's like my whiskey friends. Oh yeah, she embarrasses me, not because she's embarrassing, because I'm embarrassing,

because we'll order drinks. I just say you embarrass yourself. Correct, bro. Because the way I forward to some scotch and he's like, I'll take the one with a purple and brown. Hey,'s the one with the although I will admit where you and I I didn't know it was gonna come back looking like that. We had dinner when we were in Arizona. Come on, bro, the same way. You like the fruit stuff? And we had it. What was it?

What was it we had? It was like a blueberry lemon drop. Yeah, we knew that was gonna happen. Yeah, blueberry lemon drop. Yeah, it came in like a little martini glass and it sugar around the ring. Yeah, the guy was like, that was the same thing.

I knew it was just him and I. Yeah, it was just, yeah, it was just, Sal and I, oh man, that was so good. It's a big tree. We were holding hands on it to you, that was so good. Oh, that's a great word. We were holding hands on it. No, so we did this a lot when we first started dating

because she would introduce me to like different whiskies and scotch and beers and it's a lot of fun. We enjoyed it and then we went to a couple of speakeasies. So we found a couple of speakeasies. Here in South-Aid? No, there was one. Shampoosisco. Oh, God, where do we go?

Oh, near on here. We went somewhere. Might have been in the coolest ones in Chicago. I can't wait to see guys someday. So it might have been in Seattle. I don't remember what we went to the speak easy and the people, the bartenders, making the drinks are so talented at making these drinks and presenting them.

Like, I don't know you could do things like they did with ice and with like rind of the lemon and like a certain plant and it's really enjoyable. Jit's school is out there for bartending that like it's like a lost art though. There's not a lot of really swanky places. Right. It was so fun. What was that bar we went to Austin? Austin. Yeah. Was it Jefferson or something? Roosevelt. Roosevelt. Yeah, Roosevelt. I remember I think I had a glass of whiskey, but they had one of those like clear ice cubes

that was infused with a couple different types of fruits that would like, as it would melt, it would kind of emanate into the drink. Yeah, so what we like to do is we go and then we'll order something different on the menu and share and enjoy and have fun listening up. And so anyway, we're gonna do that tonight. Which brings me to this, where's the Z-Biotic guys?

There's none in the back. There's probably one. I could assist you with that commercial. You don't need to assist. This is just to keep going. This is just to keep on going, guys. Because I went in the back and there's none. So you both you guys, or somebody's taking all these.

That's just it, Justin takes it. I did, I mean, I'm taking few here. He takes the sea biotic It takes the peanut butter magic spoon. I don't even need it. I mean I should just leave it for you guys I just know that I'm fine, you know, cuz I'm I'm the real alcohol. So now does Not a win so Katrina. It doesn't actually use it as she's like she's got a like a an iron liver or whatever I thought and it runs in the same just them to both. Yeah, so she like although I mean I've told stories before where she did it and then she wasn't feeling so hot and like why do you have to be like the tough

girl who doesn't need the Zbiotic it's like me. Well, you're like me you and I will drink a if I'm even thinking about yeah, if I am thinking about having that's a but that's also why I've really this is this is why Zbiotic has been so big for me is that I don't always want to get fucked up, but sometimes I would like to have a class of wine with my wife, a dinner, or enjoy one cocktail and watch a game. And I just don't do that because it always throws me off. But now with the Zeebiotic, even if I'm just going to have one or two drinks, I can actually enjoy just one or two drinks. Obviously, if I'm going to get fucked up, it's and you have to do

that, right? It's, but I'll even have it when I'm just going to have a drink or two, because even one or two drinks affects me negatively, and if I, if I don't have the Z-biotic, and I don't, if I, or if I do use the Z-biotic, I don't have any of those feelings. Yeah, because I'm the same way. I'm just like, you're a really sensitive tackle, and if I have a couple drinks, I'm not going to have a hangover the next day, but I'm going to feel down and a crappy. And if I'm going to work out that day, you fucks up the workout. So that's why I'm annoyed because again, I went in the back and there's nothing. There's nothing to be found. So.

Hey, I meant to tell you that I was pretty impressed with the feedback that you got from your transgender post. Oh, you're talking about the the U-Pen athlete? Yeah, I didn't know you were gonna do that, and I popped up in my thread and I went, oh, wow, Sal went there, and I clicked on it, and I read it. So, you know, presenting, because I didn't read your posts. So, you had a huge abrasion.

Well, I got the Roachie by John I wanna read it. No, you know, it's a really, this is a platform for pictures. You know what sucks about this is that there's this movement that goes so far, it's actually gaslighting and it actually hurts the very people that they pretend to help. So that's kind of what I talked about. So you have this UPEN athlete who was a competitive swimmer when they were male.

So they're born, right, male, transitioned to female, competed as a female and smashed records, right? Destroyed records, one of the records they broke was by 38 seconds, which in competitive swimming is like... Crazy. It's like outlifting the next guy by 150 pounds. That's great. It's ridiculous.

And so then I listened to her in an interview. So she got interviewed about this whole thing. And she was visibly uncomfortable. You could tell that she kind of felt bad about it. She's getting a lot of heat, which makes me feel really bad for I felt very empathetic. And so what I basically said was this,

like we created gender categories in sports, specifically to give women, cisgender women, opportunities to place, get scholarships, and also to prevent serious injury in certain sports, right? You're not gonna put cisgender women in a boxing ring with cisgender men, or same thing with football, or anything with heavy contact,

because the risk of injuries so high, right? And then of course, placings give them opportunities to place. Like if you look at the records in sprinting, or lifting, or whatever or you know whatever, you'll see that the top women don't even rank anywhere near where you'll find the men. And so that means that there's no opportunities for things like scholarships and placings. So that's why those categories exist. And the part that annoys me is there's this movement

that is pro trans rights. And what they're doing in my opinion is they're hurting rights, those rights, because they're taking people to put him in these categories. And there's a clear and distinct biological advantage. Doesn't matter if you transition, especially if you went through puberty as a male, many of those advantages, they're there. So you can get rid of some of them with hormone therapy, but you're not gonna get rid of all of them. Like if you transitioned me to a speed now, he was a competitive swimmer already as a male.

So it's not like you transitioned and then you got into a sport, you learn the sports, like you had been already competing at a higher level when you were... Well, look, you could put my sister on all the Annabelle steroids you want. You could put me on estrogen and testosterone block I'll still be stronger than her I'll

lose a lot of my advantages but a lot of them are permanent and there's even evidence that shows that even if they don't go through puberty that there's still some advantages that just exist on a genetic level and so what that does is it it basically destroys the idea of the category so it's like you either either get rid of the categories, let everybody compete together, in which case, sorry ladies, you're not gonna place at all

in competitive sports, or we maintain the categories for the reason why they exist in the first place. And don't gaslight everybody. This is what damages the trans right movement, is that it's blatant gaslighting. No, no, no, there's no advantage. No, of course not.

It's all the same. And anybody with any logic or eyeballs can see, like, that's not true. There's total advantage. Well, you presented it really well because you typically get somebody is triggered and goes, and I really didn't see that. I only saw one guy on there that

You you fired back at but it wasn't he he didn't even come aggressive He was just trying to he said it's such a correct you said it's such a complex issue and I don't know where I say It's not complex you have a clear all things being equal because yes There are women that could outlift me as well, but in the same category of elite athleticism. No, it was the guy who talked about that it's a social construct. Oh yeah, that's right.

Yeah, but that had no point, right? That's not what I was talking about. I'm not trying to debate. That was like the only person that I saw that try to take it a different direction. Everybody else. Oh, yeah. And again, this is why you don't see

trans males doing anything like this. They're not crushing records because when a woman transitions to a man and competes, you're going to get crushed for the most part just because those inherent, even though they're on testosterone, everything. Yeah, it's just interesting because it's becoming more prevalent, right? And like nobody really has any good answers in terms of like, how they're going to structure this going forward. You can, you can be empathetic and honest at the same time because I have,

there's people that'll say like, oh, you know, it's not fair and it's not, first of all, it's not fair to cisgender women. This is an assault on them because that's why those categories are concerned. That's the concern, right? And we need to get more of those voices to, like, that are concerned about that, and losing scholarships and all that, like, you know, you have to consider that. I think it's how we all that. You have to consider that. I think it's how we reconcile that. I think it's happening.

Obviously, this is kind of in our space. And so, we see every time it happens, and it's starting to happen more that the average person knows more about it. And I think you're starting. So, I think you're going to start to see. So, I have some speculation, because the Olympics just announced that they're eliminating weightlifting. One of the core sports. We lift the board.

Yeah, one of the core sports. We're out of here, dude. Now I'm wondering, does it have anything to do with the fact that they allowed that athlete to compete and they got all that blowback and so they can't reverse out. So we're gonna start eliminating sports where this is just eliminating,

because it's controversial. Well, I mean, boxing, could you imagine if they did this in boxing? How hard it would be to watch? What was this about? Do you guys know? I don't know how they come up with their... They got it, it has to be a vote.

We can't think just about the first. Bro, they replaced weightlifting with skateboarding and something else. It was really weird. Those are two staple events. Like, why would you get rid of those? I don't know. I have no idea.

But yeah, I think we can be empathetic and honest and you know, that's it. Like feelings matter, but when it comes to objective truth, like it's a fact, so we gotta, either we keep the categories and we maintain the integrity of why those categories exist, or we eliminate the categories. It's really the only two options, not this gassing.

Oh, you created a new category. You created a new category. Right. I would prefer to see that, but yeah, that's, you need a lot of competitors. I don't know if they have enough competitors in that direction. You would, if you made the category, you would have eventually, right?

Yeah, I think, but that's the first step. So I think that somebody needs to lay that groundwork down because I think that's the only way to really solve it. Totally. Hey, real quick, look, you're a fitness and health person, but you like soda. Of course you do, it's delicious. Well you gotta try Oli Pop.

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First question is from Rebel Hammond. What are your thoughts on bear crawls as they seem to be total body, but you don't see them often in the gym? Good old bear crawls. It's not a like strength exercise. It's not a bill muscle or burn body fat necessarily exercise. I mean, you burn calories, you will make your body stronger, it's not as easy as it looks. But it's really good at getting the right and left sides of your body to communicate through kind of a fundamental, you know, kind of human pattern, right? Where, when, for example, when you're walking, you'll notice that your arms move differently than your legs or opposing to your legs that control that all right so I

used to like to do stuff like this for my clients before we would start to work out and it would help them perform better and exercises that were like split stance or one arm exercises and then there's some course stability component here because you do have to have good course ability to get the arms and legs communicate properly. That's I think the best way to use it and I've I like to kind of take clients through that. Just like a real slow approach with it to make sure they can even maintain that position and not allow their hips to rotate especially. Get that communication started from right to left is each intention with the right arm to left leg kind of coming together and forward.

It takes some people, a lot of coordination that they're not used to, which will really help them in terms of their overall function athleticism. So there's lots of benefits to it in terms of like crawling patterns are pretty much of a fundamental human movement that a lot of people just kind of skip through and being intentional with it has a lot of carryover. But also, I mean, you could use these for conditioning as well, which I've done with athletes. And it's really difficult after a while to go

and extended a length of doing these bear crawls too. So I think it's a really underrated movement. You did a really good video, Justin, on the Instagram, I believe, right? On a Fit Tip. Was it a Fit Tip you did? Yeah, I think I did the Fit Tip. Well, that was a silly one.

I didn't want on YouTube. That was a little more. Oh, it wasn't on Instagram. Where you did the bear crawls, I wasn't. I didn't want on Instagram, but it was like a silly one when I'm like growling and shit. So, that's not part of it. I mean, to answer the question though,

like why don't we see them in a gym? Well, why don't I think they take up a lot of space, right? To do like a full crawl, like, you know, if you're gonna go 20 yards, not every gym, and you probably feel kind of silly doing that. People feel silly doing it. The other thing is that I think that they're used mostly for conditioning when I don't think that's where

the real value is. I think if you watch the video that Justin does, if you learn to move like that versus just doing it as cardio, which to me when I see bear crawls done, it's rare. And I definitely, if I see someone doing them proper, I know they're either a trainer, they got a good trainer who's teaching them that because it's like seeing a good plank.

It's like one of those these fundamental movements that you should probably incorporate into your lifestyle, but most people don't even do them properly. And then when you see someone who's doing them, you know they really get it, either they've been trained or they are trained or they're themselves. So I think that's part of why you don't see them

in the gym is because I think people look at them and think they're just a conditioning tool. And if you're, and they're like, well, I can just get on the treadmill and run on the treadmill. Why would I crawl down the middle of the gym? It's just not a sexy, like, you know, I'm not working a specific part of my,

like exercise that don't necessarily work a specific part of the body or make you really tired and sweat. Often, you don't see them in gyms. But I'm glad you said there's a way to do them, right? When you do them properly, like you could just get on the floor and go, but you're not really gonna gain a lot of the benefits

of how to do a bear crop properly. When you do them right, you're stabilizing your core, you're not allowing your pelvis to twist everywhere and you're staying stable as you're moving. Now you're getting things to communicate and you're really activating the core in a really effective way. So done right, they're really effective, done wrong,

and it's just a way to move. I also think too, it's a great progression from like a bird dog, which bird dogs, for your average person, you look at that, what's the value there? It just doesn't look like you're gonna get a sweat, you're really working in a kind of strength move, but that communication right to left and also the anti-rotational focus with that is a lot of the value of what you're receiving.

Well, this is one of my favorite analogies ever given on this podcast was the one that Sal did almost five, six years ago now when he talked about the, you know, amp and speakers, right, the whole CNS thing. And this, to me, this is a great example, like, how, what are some basic exercises that I can do to improve my CNS and the communication that my, my amp has to my speakers? This is one of the ways for you to invest in that. Like, if you want to work on how your CNS communicates to your muscles and improve upon that, doing things like the bird dog or doing the bear crawl

are incredible, but doing them with intent is where the value is, not just doing it to burn calories or to sweat. If you go into it, yeah, you lose the value there if you do that, but if you actually do it properly, then it can really improve on the way that you're C&S communicates to your muscles. It's no different than taking a hammer and trying to use it on a screw. Like, can you hammer a screw into the wall?

You can, but it's not going to be nearly as effective if you use a drill, right? So, use the right tools for the job and then use them properly. And to get that control lateral communication, get the right kind of core stability, it's a great exercise to build a lot of muscle and burn a lot of calories. Not really. However, does getting your body to communicate better contralaterally does activating your core in a way where it's more functional and stable during other exercises. Could

that improve your ability to build muscle and burden body fat? Yes. And I want to say that because I don't have to sell it, right? I know people watching are like, oh, build muscle, burn body fat, not for me. No, you do these things better than you're able to do those exercises that are the big muscle builders and the fat burners much more effectively.

By the way, as far as bird dogs are in a rep, as far as bird dogs concerned, you know that was when I favored exercises to help people with low back pain. If somebody came to me with low back pain seven out of 10 times, bird dogs would make the pain much better immediately. That's such an effective exercise for that. Well, those both those movements are, I mean, I know you sold it for the fat loss community and the muscle building community, but man, if you're an athlete, that's a for sure foundational thing you should be able

to do and do well and that will really translate into whatever sports you're doing because when you're doing sports, that's the ability for your body to communicate from left to right on each side and do that seamlessly is only going to improve your body. Yeah, full control. The first time I learned this was a year that I was embarrassed, well, I wasn't embarrassed. I'm looking back on my

barris, but back then it was such a great learning experience. I had a physical therapist. She was so good. Her name was Laurie and she was phenomenal at what she did. And she was she would do things that sometimes I had no idea what the value was. And remember she was training a young athlete and she had this young athlete stand and do a one-armed shoulder press with the right arm, but as the right arm went up, the left knee went up, and it went down. And I remember watching this as a meathead trainer, right? And I thought, what a stupid exercise.

You can't press a lot of weight. Where's the value in that? And I asked her afterwards, I said, what was the value? And I respected her enough to ask her. So what's the value of that? Because she's not really lifting a lot of weight, not building a lot of muscle. And she said, oh, it's contralateral communication. And I said, what does that mean?

And she goes, well, do me a favor. She goes, walk down the hall. But instead of your left arm moving up on your right leg steps forward, move your right arm with your right leg. It's the same together. And I was like, oh my God. And she goes, now try and walk and run that way. I couldn't do it.

She goes, that Contro-Lateral Movement is so fundamental to performance. So what I was training with him was getting that to communicate better because of running and all of the stuff. And when we do the other lifts, and I was like, Oh, that's absolutely brilliant. Next question is from Natalie Lawrence. Is it dangerous for short or slender people to lift weights? I'm 137 pounds and five two. And I've been advised by a physio to not lift heavy and by a nurse not to lift at all. There must be a way for shorter people to lift without causing joint damage. So first off, first off, fire your fucking physio and fight another nurse.

Okay, so to be fair, we don't know what the whole situation is. Yeah, so if it's like a, it's, it's an actual physical therapist. We don't know what the situation is now nurse has no Knowledge or experience on exercise. So I wouldn't take that advice that being said. Here's a deal Exercise any form of exercise could be either dangerous or very safe. It's so moldable It's how it's applied when he's in applied appropriate has nothing to do with though your height and being slender Nothing, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no In resistance training is one of the greatest forms of exercise because of how moldable it is. I could train a paraplegic with resistance training.

I could train a kid with resistance training, an older person, a younger person, an athlete. It's all in how you're supplied, choosing the right movements. Are they stable? Do they own that movement? Is it the appropriate resistance? If you do all the right stuff, it's, not only is it safe, okay, but you want to talk about your joints, you will strengthen your joints. You will improve your longevity.

I'm sure you do it. Yeah. For strengthening your joints and alleviating pain. And so that's why this, this advice is so wrong to me, it's just like they're not setting you up for success later on. You're going to have all kinds of problems by avoiding it. Yeah. This is the same. Along the same lines of, don't lift weights if you're too young because you're going to

stunt your growth or women shouldn't lift weights. That was around for a long time. No, no, no, you're a woman. You shouldn't lift weights. Absolutely ridiculous. The value that proper application of resistance training has is literally for everyone. In fact, when you're looking at exercise therapy, pre-surgery, post-surgery, injury rehab, the primary form of exercise that they use is resistance training. Now, they may not be using dumbbells and

barbells, but they're using resistance bands or body weight or control instability. But it's all resistance training. It's literally the safest form of exercise you could do if applied properly. And understand too, there is a very big difference between lifting heavy and lifting shitty, right? So like if someone, a lot of people think that, oh, the reason why I'm assuming the argument that this physio has to be trying to say is that, oh, when you lift really heavy, your form is off, and then that stresses the joints. That's the only angle I can see them using,

but, okay, yeah. So pick a weight that is heavy for you, but you can maintain good form. And that is the goal. The goal is actually to lift as heavy as possible with good form, and the moment that form starts to waver in the size bit, then back and perfect your form but that should be a good goal of yours is okay when I put anything over a hundred pounds on my back to squat

after anything over a hundred I start to notice I shift a little bit or I cheat or I notice that I my form isn't perfect okay great back it down to 190 get re or back it down to 90, get really good at 90, and then move up to 105, and then 110, like that should be what you're goal. That's the beauty of it. It's like you can re-grace, you can progress, and that's how you have to look at it. What can I do under control and maintain good posture, good mechanics, and perform this appropriately? But the goal is to increase, you know, the resistance, increase the stimulus, increase the load.

So that way you adapt, you change, you get stronger and, you know, you transform. Yeah. Name one condition where getting stronger properly won't benefit it. You can't. Every single condition you can think of or situation, because there isn't a condition that exists where someone's too strong. We'll improve. I remember once I had a client who came to me,

who told me it was a woman, and she had, I don't remember the name of the condition off the top of my head, but she had a condition where her body was super lax, so she was hyper mobile, but she also did no exercise, so she was also very weak. This meant that she was unstable,

and she had lots of pain, hip pain, knee pain, back pain. I mean, this was a woman that could literally, she could be a contortionist, just if she wanted to, this is how Lacks her body was. So she came to me, she said, I've been told I can't do resistance training because of this. And I said, no, you can, we just need to do it appropriately and that we cannot challenge your range of emotion because your range of emotion is so deep and you have no stability. For the first time in her life,

she had found something that took pain away. And I'll never forget, it was like a month into the training and I'd shorten her range of motion because again, she was so lax. She came to me and she goes, you know, Sal, for the first time in 10 years, my back doesn't hurt when I'm sitting down

for a long period of time. And she goes, you know, I can drive now without my hips bothering me and she's like, this is insane. I don't know why I'm sitting down for a long period of time. And she goes, you know, I can drive now without my hips bothering me. And she's like, this is insane. I don't know why I've been told for so long that I shouldn't do it. And I said, I think it's because a lot of the ways that people have observed, or doctors have observed people who lift weights, first off come to them after they've been injured. And so, and they're, they're, they're basing it off of poor application of resistance training. If you do it right, like the doctor's not going to see the person hurt themselves doing it right. and they're basing it off of poor application of resistance training.

If you do it right, like the doctor's not gonna see the person hurt themselves doing it right, right? I think I see all the people that did it wrong. So they're gonna view it in that light. If you do it properly, again, it is the most applicable safe form of exercise you can do. And it doesn't matter how slim, slender, or short you are. Next question is from Micah2448.

What are some of the best habits and activities you can instill in your children throughout their development so they can grow up healthier? I like this is like a full-on single topic episode I feel like there's a lot to talk about it like instantly. And by the way, we're not experts too. This we're experts in fitness This is challenging for us too. Oh, yeah, no, I'm clear And it ends in challenge. It's a for sure a learning process for me because I'm in the thick of it right now, right? So I don't I don't know what some of these things will end up happening later. I could think of three things right away though that that come to mind. One, the decision to not put shoes on Max's feet, I think was one of the best decisions that I ever made. And I watched that as he started to go through the walking phase, my son really didn't go

through that like falling down and hitting his head, like literally he had one situation where he fell down at his head. Because he had shoes on. He had shoes on. Contrary to put shoes on him early on and was walking with him and he just fell out, it was off balance and fell over and then hit his head and you know a little bit of it was on his hairline. So blood came out.

It was this big ordeal if you guys remember when that happened. That was crazy that I noticed what a difference it's already made. Now I have no idea what that impact will be five, 10, 15 years now if it really if it plays a role in his athleticism or his balance in coordination. I don't know. But his feet look so strong, developed and stable. Yeah. Where did you see other kids who start walking with shoes?

Pro-nate. Yeah, pro-nation, and they have little control over their feet. Your feet, there's so many muscles and nerve endings on the bottom. And you cover it. It's like, be like, imagine putting gloves on your kids when they were babies. How much less articulate they'd be with their hands.

Yeah, so that's the first one. There's one, too, that I made like as a role and I totally failed here, right? Or I don't know if I failed, I ended up changing, right? So, and now I've learned like I know better now on this podcast to say, I'm never gonna do this or I'm never gonna do that because it eventually life hits you in the face and you go,

like, oh, maybe I don't wanna just be like that. And that was the TV thing. Originally, I had this plan that he's not gonna have any TVs. Never gonna see the TV on like that. I was just gonna keep it off until he gets to an age where he even really understands what it is. And for the most part, I actually stuck to that pretty well. Then he got to an age where he was interested in it

and what it was what I was doing. And I had these moments of like on Sunday, I wanted to lay around with my son and he's at an age where he'll actually cuddle up next to me and chill for a while I'm like, oh man, this actually sounds really good. I don't want to deprive him that or myself selfishly of that and And so I reintroduced it but Making that kind of a rule and being so hyper aware of it early on taught me a lot already about And so hyper aware of it early on taught me a lot already about behavior and how much time in front of the screen really affects his behavior. So even though I've loosened up on, he'll never have any television, I was so paying attention

that so much that I recognize that, man, if he gets over an hour of iPad or TV time, his behavior and his sleep completely changes. Like the way he goes down at bed is completely different than if we have a full day of playing and never doing that. So that taught me a lot about how that can affect behavior, sleep, and everything. So I'm really glad that.

The third thing for me is the no sugar. So, and we now have, and it's actually kind of cool because we have these moments, there's been a couple times now where I've Katrina or myself has allowed him to taste something that's like, we just, just this happened two days ago. We were doing gingerbread houses with them and we were making it and it has the icing

and I had it on my finger and I let him lick it and he was He didn't want anything to do. Yeah, I didn't want nothing to do with it And I'm like, oh, it's so great, right? So and then my mom did the same thing I let her let him try to buy a cookie and he just he had no interest in it whatsoever And we just we we avoided giving him that for such a long time that I actually think that he doesn't even really crave it Now we're still early. I'm only heading into three years old. So we'll see what happens when I predict that like all kids he'll love it. He'll want it.

But I think because we did such a good job of limiting how much I don't think you'll have the same pull because one of the mistakes I see a lot of parents do and I understand. So this isn't me at all shaming anybody. But they use that as a way to bribe the kid to do what he wants. I see this a lot, and I see that with the TV too. I see the iPad and I see sugar as ways of briving. And you have to understand that, even though it's really, really young,

you're already starting to change their relationship with that thing. Reward, reward, reward. Yeah, and so I've avoided that. We've avoided doing that. Like we don't use the television, we don't use sugar as a way to reward punish or whatever with him at all.

And I think those are things I'm glad we're doing. You know, when you look at the data on this, it's actually pretty interesting. It's something like 80% of what you do will impact your kids in 20% of what you say will impact them. For example, children who grow up in households where their parents smoke, even if the parents tell them don't smoke, they're twice as likely to grow up in smoke cigarettes as well. Same thing with alcohol, bad eating, or whatever you want to call it inactivity. And this

was a tough one because we often, for me at least, it's easier for me to tell. Like, this is what you do, this is what don't do, teach you verbally and talk about certain things. But your kids learn from watching. I remember I had a client once that was a she was a therapist who specialized in in child therapy and We were talking about like eating disorders and stuff and this is a big one for me because I had body images She's growing up and after I had kids I was like, oh man, I really don't want my kids to have to go through this I'm already in the fitness space. I already work out, you know

They might see that I post pictures of my body or whatever, how do I navigate this? And she said, when I work with kids and their body image stuff, sometimes it comes from the parents saying shitty stuff to their kids, which is obvious. Like I would never say to my kids, you're a fat guy.

That's obvious to me, right? She said the less obvious one is when kids hear their parents talk about themselves. So like, you know, why did you start doing this? Well, I heard my mom saying how fat she was all the time, you know, or, you know, and so that's the big one. It's like, okay, your kids model, whether they even try to or not, I mean, I'll tell you what,

you talked to anybody who became a parent themselves and became their little older, and what do they always say? Oh man, I'm turning into my dad. I'm turning into my mom. Like I find that with myself. I'm like, I got all these traits that my parents have. Probably because I grew up with that. And I saw them doing it.

And you just, it becomes instilled in you. So I would say that's probably the most important thing. And that's something that I always, I constantly get challenged with because I may tell my kids, don't go on your electronics so much. And so much, and then I'm on it. You know, I'm on my phone. I'm, oh yeah, I'm working, but am I really modeling what I want them, you know, how I want them to be

or how I treat my wife. You know, if I could tell my son, you make sure you treat women this way, but if I yell at my wife or I say something condescending to her, you know, that's what he's gonna end up, you know, learning. So I think that's, no, it's such a good. That's the biggest one. That's such a good point. Like that's something that Katrina and I, and we actually made an

agreement on this before Max was born that we would call each other out on certain things like that. And one of them was the, because I can't just tell him no TV, no iPad and then be sitting there on my phone. So if we're ever with Max, that's a, that's a rule between her and I, like, phone is out. If you got to get on the phone, you got to do work business. So it's all very, you go somewhere else. You walk in the other room, but you don't ever sit with him. Yeah. Why he's playing or doing something and pull your phone out and let him see you do that. And absolutely, there's been times where mindlessly one of us does it, but the other one always calls that one out so they know. And so it's like, hey, if you gotta go take that call, you gotta return something, go.

Go away. A little mirrors, yeah. I totally, that's the biggest lesson is that they pick up all your habits, they pick up the way that you talk to people, they pick up, you know, the food choices you make. And so it's really just been a reflection on my own, what I'm bringing in to the house.

So we make sure, which was the biggest thing for us is to make sure we always have good, healthy, whole foods around and less the process stuff. We never even really go buy it. And so they just don't constantly have that available. It's just not there. And so they just tend to not make those decisions when they're with their friends quite as much.

Again, there's, their kids where now it's, unfortunately, sugar is a bit of a currency for them. And I'm struggling through how to deal with that right now because it's not available. Now it's like, oh, where is it? If you're at somebody's house, it's like, wow, they have sugar. You know, and they get crazy over it.

So I'm kind of working my way on how to deal with that. I don't really have a good answer for that yet. But one of the best things that I've done in terms of like health and fitness was to sort of engineer a way for them to climb and to express, you know, their strength and movement and challenge them physically. And so I just was always passionate about making sure

they're outside and how can I make them do things outside that's gonna challenge their body in a certain way. So there's big old trampoline, there's things for them to climb on, there's ropes, there's so I, that was just a big thing for me. And then getting them involved in gymnastics was another great, great addition to their, their body awareness and, and just, you know, really enjoying that they can move in cool, unique ways. And I think that that's something they can build on. You know, I think that was brilliant that you did that because let's be honest, at that age, they're more interested in play than they are.

I want to learn how to do a bench press or shoulder press. I mean, maybe you get lucky and your kid wants to do that, but they're likelihood of that as well. I know, I'm like praying that my youngest is like that. Yeah, and the likelihood of that is probably one and a million, but showing them how they can play and encouraging physical activity, I think that's what you just remind of you, something else that we do.

So we have friends that obviously have kids that are older, and they, the way that they're very fit, right? And so one of the things that they do is that, you know, the dad goes to the gym, and then, you know, wife watches kids, then he comes home, and then they switch, and they kind of do that. And Katrina and I just took a different approach because I want them just to see us doing like he doesn't have to do it So we bring him to like a lot of times when other than many times when I didn't even feel like working out that time But because she's gonna go in the garage and go lift all come out there So it's like a family thing and he's kind of playing and You don't make a big deal about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't even yeah, there's nothing

It's like I put him in the back of the truck And it's like a big playpen so he could watch mom and dad exercising and we just kind of play with him and we'll work out together. And so my idea behind that, of course I don't know how this is going to unfold, but my idea behind that is that it's just a part of our life and that he sees it.

He picks up on the behaviors and it's not something I have to tell him he has to do or not do. It's just that. You know, and I wanna be careful that come across, like we know raising kids is so hard and they so individual and sometimes they'll have the personality where they're going to rebel.

So you're modeling these behaviors and they're you know 13, 14 trying to figure out who they are. And often this is very common right. Often times the kid will just do the opposite. You know, it's like that what's that one meme where there's like a death metal family? Yeah, and then one of the kids is like super clean cut. You know, like he wrote belt flanders. Yeah, you know, and it's like, that's gonna happen.

How do you react and respond? No, one thing that Jessica does, so I'll actually give a specific, that Jessica does is so well. It's just real hard for me. Is she does, because I have two older kids, 12 and 16. So now they're at the age where it's a whole different challenge, right? When you, especially when you're a teenager, they don't tell you as much.

They're not as open. Oftentimes, they're in the room or with their friends. Their friends have a bigger influence now over them than you do. And so it's like, okay, what do I do? I want to hang out with them. They don't hang out with them anymore. How do I get them to open up? I'll be in the car with my son and, you know, we could drive front hour and a half

and he won't say a single word. So I'm like, I want to talk to him, but like, what do the car with my son and we could drive for an hour and a half and he won't sing a single word. I want to talk to him, but what do I do? Jessica is very good at this. She's like, when they tell you stuff, don't react in a big way. Your kid comes up to you and says, oh, my buddy, he was smoking cigarettes or something, or whatever. Don't make this huge reaction. Oh, yeah, my friend had sex and you know, when they're in his 15,

don't react super strongly because then they're afraid to, to tell you, and she's so good at this, like they'll say shit. And I'm inside of my butt because I grew up in a household. We'd even say the word sex. We didn't say the word drugs. We didn't say we just didn't talk about it. Right. So and if I said anything like that, my parents would have, and that's why they would have

exploded, oh my god, don't do that. But Jessica's so good, they'll say shit. And inside I feel the turmoil, I'm like, oh, I start sweating like, what I'm like, your friend did what? You know, but I don't say any. And she's super like, oh yeah, you know, a lot of kids experiment at that age and that's, that's pretty normal. And, you know, what do you think's happening or how do you feel about it? And I'm, she's so so good at it and then what it did is it opens up like my daughter now talks about you know like she's 12 right so a lot of her friends are starting their periods and stuff like that and like we never talked about that in the house now my daughter just come you know she'll tell us stuff and oh my friend did this and this is what happened and here's what we found in the bathroom. And it's so effective at keeping communication open.

And so that was one big thing. But I think the big rocks are this. Just like with fitness, there's all these things that could make an impact. But the big rocks are the most important thing, which is model, the right behavior, that has more of an impact than the stuff that you tell them. Show them love and create structure.

Those are the big things. Love, if you have a lot of discipline without love, that's bad. A lot of love without discipline, that's so great. Love, discipline, or structure, and then modeling, and then just keep carrying a lot. And then you can sail and do a lot of things that might not be great, but if you do those three things,

I think you're probably 99% of the way there. Next question is from Cam, the Lamb. How do I balance drinking and going out with working on my fitness goals? I really want to get back in shape and go hard, but I also love drinking and watching sports with my friends, so it's hard mentally, and he tips. Yeah, I can't wait to hear what you guys are gonna say right now.

This guy sounds fun. Well, this has to be one of the most common. Super common. Things that you hear from clients super common totally and I think I over years my my conversations changed I want to hear what you guys have to say like how you would present. Oh, yeah You know the way I used to present so with your serious you're not gonna drink and you're gonna Do you really want to cut it out?

But here's the bottom line. Okay, you can't have everything. Okay, so now this is a negative Message this is a negative message. This is a positive one. You enjoy hanging out with your friends. There's value in that, nothing wrong with that. You also like fitness, that's phenomenal. Are you gonna get the most fit, buffed best performance if you drink occasionally,

eat the occasional slice of pizza with your friends? No, who cares? Who cares because you also like to hang out with your friends? So unless you're training for a high level competition, in which case I tell people like, okay, well, you want to perform me absolutely best on this particular day, make sure for the next two months or whatever. But this is life. Life is like this. So you enjoy things. That's fine. It's balanced. So you're going to give up a little bit for the other one. Is it all worth it to you? That's up to you. There's no secret answer.

I'm not gonna tell you, yes, Zbiotics, for example, will help you with the alcohol. Is it perfect? No, it's not perfect. Alcohol still has calories, doesn't eliminate that. Doesn't eliminate the fact that you might get drunk and make other choices around that. Just, it's just accepted.

It's not a big deal, as long as nothing's too extreme and not hurting yourself with the exercise or the drinking, it's not a big deal. Yeah, I mean, we have short-term goals sometimes and I think there's nothing wrong with intensifying your disciplines for periods. And so I get it.

Like I get sometimes you do want to present your body or you have the specific things where you know like if I'm, I feel more confident because I have to take my shirt off and I got to kind of, you know, make sure that I feel good in that opportunity and so I would tighten it up a bit then like that's just one of those things you got to, you got to sacrifice your fun a bit, right? And so it's just like, this is life is where you, you do want to do a sprint right now and really focus on that. Or you playing the long game. Is this something that is just like a lifestyle thing that you

just want to keep in shape, but also have fun on top of that. You could totally do that and be flexible with it. You just have to know that it is pulling back, you know, your results a bit, but you could totally like weave that in as long as you maintain your normal healthy fitness goals and practices and other disciplines throughout the week. Well, you like drinking and watching sports with your friends. Are we watching basketball? Because that's on three nights a week.

Are we watching football, which is on every Sunday and you're doing that. So first of all, I'd ask how often is this? Because, and you have to be very realistic with what your goals are, because they're conflicting type of goals. One of them is, you know, you're pursuing, you know, the social aspect of health and drinking and enjoying yourself, which like Sal said,

I think there's tremendous value in that. And I think there's nothing wrong with that too. But you also have to be very realistic with what you're asking yourself to do on the physical side too. If you are looking at your favorite Instagram person who's got six pack abs and looks amazing and you aspire to look like that. And at the same time too, you want to drink with your friends every basketball game or every football game on Sundays. It's not going to work. Yeah, it's unrealistic to do that. And I think that I think why we see this is because there's a lot of that promoted on

like social media. You'll see somebody who's got this great physique. And then they're only posting these videos of them celebrating and going out and having fun and doing this. Like, well, look, see, look at that. That's after they got to that. Yeah. And you don't know how neurotic they are

about their fitness outside of that. So all you, what you don't see is that guy or girl... Spitting it out right up there. Right, or you don't see them getting up every weekend and cooking for the whole week and weighing and measuring and tracking their calories and then getting on and doing that cardio early in the morning and doing all these other things so they can do that and still maintain this physique. And you just got to ask yourself,

if that's what you want, there is a balance here. I mean, I absolutely enjoy a drink with my friends and watch a game, but I also don't need to do that every single time we sit down and watch a game. It's like, so you learn to have a little bit of that balance of like, okay, well, I do love to do that. And there's going to be times where, you know, what I do want to do that my buddies and I, we haven't been together in, you know, over a month. It's a big game, you know, our two teams that are playing against each other and we don't have anything to do the next day. It's like, Hey, let's let loose and have a good time. Like 100% I'm going to do that. But if I'm seeing my friends every single weekend, and we're watching football,

and we're having beer every single time, is it really that special? Is it really that big of a deal? If I sacrifice two or three of those times, like is it really at that point? You can't have fun with your friends without including alcohol. I think you should really ask for those.

Every time, right? Like every time, that's a question you'd ask yourself why. Yeah, and again, it's all about that. It's so funny too. I was thinking right now, Adam and I went to that event in Arizona and it was like nine o'clock at night and we both look at each other like,

let's, we should probably not just go to bed. And it's funny because people might be like, oh, they're so disciplined. They didn't go out and drink with people. You see, I wasn't there. And it's like, no, it's because we have kids and we're tired of what to go to bed. But the truth is, as a fitness podcast,

we had a weed sponsor at one point. We had a cannabis sponsor, a delivery company. We will hang out and we'll drink and enjoy ourselves sometimes. And I was so neurotic when I was younger that I kind of learned this the hard way. I learned, like, wait a minute, that's not really enjoying life.

What was that study? I think you met a Stanford that showed not really enjoying life. What was that study? I think came out of Stanford that showed that like bad relationships or is bad for your health is like smoking 10 packs, you know, 10 cigarettes a day or something like that. So it's all health. But here's the challenge. The challenge isn't necessarily that.

The challenge is the I want my cake and I want to eat it too. You can't do it all, okay? You're not gonna be 4% body fat, you know, Instagram ready, but also on the weekends you hang out with your friends and your drink, it's not gonna happen. But that's okay, you know, that's okay, you gotta be able to look at the whole thing

from a balanced perspective. Now if you wanna do that, then it's gonna mean that you're gonna have to cut out a lot of other things that you enjoy in order to look a particular way, which I would argue is a miserable existence. I'm going to be honest with you. It's not a very fun. I'm the most neurotic out of all of us here in the studio,

but I also don't go that extreme because it sucks. It sucks to be that extreme all the time. You got to find that value for yourself and find that balance. And there's Justin was kind of alluding this. There's nothing wrong with you saying, you know what? The next eight to 12 weeks, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be neurotic. I am gonna, like, I'm gonna skip all drinking occasionally social events, I'm gonna train hard,

I'm gonna weigh a measure, and I actually think there's tremendous value in doing that, and also asking yourself, like, this isn't me saying for the rest of my life, like, remember, I was the guy who threw a piti to this for three years, and during that time, I carried my Tupperware and missed out on all these, you know, drinking occasions. And I don't feel like I really missed out that much. And if you did it forever, right? If I

did it forever, and that was my life, I would feel that way. But I did it for a period of my time because I had a goal that I cared about more. And I knew, although there'll be plenty of times in the future for me to drink, and I had plenty of times of drinking before that. So I think there's nothing wrong. And I think there's lots of value in you making that sacrifice to get to that point. once you get to that like that where you were seeking as far as your your your your your aesthetics or whatever we're we're chasing

right now. Once you get there and you find you know what it takes discipline wise sacrifice, consistency wise to get to that place, you then can start to do things like adding the drinking in here and there and you can see how much it affects it. And you can go, and you can go, and you can go, and you can see what's worth it. Right. And then exactly. And then you have a, and that's exactly what it is. Like, is it worth it?

I'll ask you Adam, you've done this before. Is it worth it to walk around, just for life, just for your life? Is it worth it to walk around 5% body fat all the time? No. No. No, for the, the, the, as cool as it is the most. Oh yeah, and I've shared on the show before one of the most epic moments ever was the, the, the, the, as cool as it is. Oh yeah. You know, and I've shared on the show before one of the most epic moments ever was the, the, the weekend in Vegas when I went pro it, it's burned in my brain.

It felt amazing. It'd be on top of the world at that moment and to feel that crazy in shape. Even knowing that I still would, nah, I wouldn't want that all the time because those are, those are tiny little sliver moments that you have the rest of the time. No one gives a shit. You're walking around 5% underneath your clothes.

No one cares. You know what I'm saying? I'm so glad you said that. I'm so glad you said that because I think we have this mental image of what, you know, looks like to, or what it's like to look fit and healthy. You know what the reality is? If you're generally healthy, you're going to look good. You're not going to be super shredded, but super shredded.

Nobody really cares for the most part of it, except for other fitness fanatics, I'll be honest. If I get super shredded, you know, who people who notice, other fitness maniacs, other people are kinda like, oh, he's a little too lean. I've actually had people tell me that. Oh, if you gain a little bit of body fat,

you look better, you know, type of deal when I've gotten that lean. So nobody really cares, not that big of a deal. You can't have it all, but so what? I think balance is the key. This is a lifelong pursuit. And this dichotomy that we create with ourselves is like, I think it's totally silly sometimes. Look, if you like our information,

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