Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1714: How to Improve Stamina Without Sacrificing Muscle, Ways to Pack on Muscle With a Fast Metabolism, Tips for Becoming an Online Fitness Coach & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: December 25, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Don’t do cardio until you figure out your calorie balance. (4:18) Recapping Adam’s Wine and Weed Evening with his wife. (17:22) Dad life updates with the guys: How kids love to eat dirt and parents robbing grandparents of their joy. (30:58) How you can regulate a market so much, but still have a vibrant black market. (37:29) Why most politicians are corrupt. (45:05) Vuori is on FIRE! (48:23) Postpartum physical therapy and its value. (50:49) Research finds Covid-19 spike protein binds to cells in the heart and could help to explain some effects of severe infection. (54:14) #LiveListener question #1 – How do I increase my VO2 max while not sacrificing my gains? (59:11) #LiveListener question #2 – How long does it take to rebuild your base metabolic rate? (1:08:41) #LiveListener question #3 – Any advice on ways to gain muscle with a fast metabolism? (1:19:38) #LiveListener question #4 – Any advice on becoming an online fitness coach? (1:26:07) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] EXCLUSIVE LAUNCH PROMOTION! (EXPIRES TUESDAY 12/28): MAPS Resistance $20 OFF **Promo Code – “RESIST20” at checkout** December Promotion: MAPS HIIT and MAPS SPLIT 50% off! **Promo code “DECEMBER50” at checkout** Top 3 Misconceptions About Cardio Training – Mind Pump Blog Cardio Sucks for Fat Loss – Mind Pump Blog We Burn as Many Calories as Hunter-Gatherers, So What Makes Us Fat? Mind Pump IGTV Wine Weed Wife ‘Our Industry is Collapsing’ Warn California Pot Leaders in Letter to Gavin Newsom Why Elon Musk will end up with an $11 billion tax bill this year Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Luna Physical Therapy Mind Pump #1650: How To Know When You Need A Physical Therapist Research finds Covid-19 spike protein binds to cells in the heart and could help to explain some effects of severe infection All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg Mind Pump #1682: Bacteria For Muscle Gain, Fat Loss & Health Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP10” at checkout** MAPS Strong Mind Pump #1695: How To Lose 100 Pounds Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum MP Hormones Mind Pump #1607: How To Optimize Your Hormones With Dr. Rand McClain The Resistance Training Revolution – Book by Sal Di Stefano MAPS Fitness Anabolic Mind Pump #1680: Muscle Science With Jordan Shallow Visit Pre-Script Level 1 Coaching Certification for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit CPPS Coaches for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** NCI Certifications x Mind Pump Mind Pump x NCI Mentorship Coaching RGB Bundle | MAPS Fitness Products – Mind Pump Media Prime Bundle | MAPS Fitness Products Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid)  Instagram Peter Attia (@peterattiamd)  Instagram Robert Oberst (@robertoberst)  Instagram Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram Jason Phillips (@jasonphillipsisnutrition)  Instagram Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym)  Instagram

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So in the intro, we talk about current events. We bring up scientific studies and we talk about our sponsors. Today's intro was 54 minutes long. Then we got to the live callers. Here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about not doing cardio, then we talked about Adam's weed and wine evening with his wife. I talked about how my son likes to eat dirt and how Adam's son opened up presents with grandma. Nobody knew about that. I talked about the California weed

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Don't do cardio until you figure out your calorie balance. I was like, what happened here? Yeah. So think about that for a second. I brought this up on the show. You mean like your maintenance caloric? That's right. Okay.

So it's the last thing that I want to introduce to any client no matter what that has. It just makes me laugh. Every time it makes a point, it just jingles. It's just kidding. It makes a point at leg. Just jingles. What's wrong, Scrooge? Sorry. I'm sorry. Anti-festive guy.

You have to see right now how could you not be Santa Claus out right? All right, all right, all right. Sorry, keep going. So, we're wrenching it. All right, go for it. So home bug. So, your time out maintenance, like you're trying to figure

out your maintenance calories, do that before you do it. Well, before, and I don't even, and I think you should, you should have introduced training consistently. I think you should have played with your diet up and down and a while and kind of have built some consistency around. Okay, I know that on average these days of the week, I burn about this much, my body needs about this much with no cardio involved whatsoever. Before you even think about introducing that into it.

No matter what your goal is, I don't care even if your goal is just long-jevonial or health, and for sure, if you were trying to burn body fat or build muscle to figure out your caloric maintenance without that introduced into your home base established. Right, if I bet you're out. Does this include like walking,

or you mean structured cardio? Structured cardio. Okay. And that's a big difference because, you know, adding, you know, some walks throughout the day, very good for you, very different than the structured form of cardio. Well, that's because I, with adding walks in the day,

the idea of that concept of, you know, creating more movement and, you know, like we, you know, advocate for 10 to 15 minute walks, post eating and stuff like that. When we recommend that, that isn't like, hey, just do that until you get to your goal. That's trying to get people to do that for the rest of their lives.

Where telling someone to get on a treadmill and get after it for an hour, first thing in the morning or at the end of the day for three times or five times or that is not a realistic thing for someone to do for the rest of their life. Now of course there's exceptions, there's a rule, there's someone that's listening right now.

I've been doing that for 15 years, I love it. Okay, that's just like that, too. Right, okay, good for you. The rest of everybody else though, probably hates doing that. And before you get on it and decide you're going to use that as a method of burning more calories, you should have a very good grasp of what your body needs without it and what it needs to, what it needs calorie wise to lose, could body

fat potentially without introducing it before you decide to introduce it into you. Now I'll go pro and then call on. I think the pro is it's, it's great because you want to introduce it into you. Now I'll go pro and then con. I think the pro is, it's great because you wanna know what your maintenance, caloric balance is, I guess, so that when you add anything to it, now you know you're adding to whatever your body's burning. And saving cardio as a secret weapon later on is really effective.

I've done that also with clients before. I think it's really effective. Now the con would be discouraging someone from just increasing their activity, and they're like, well, I wanna do it, and I enjoy it. And what I think the maybe the potential con is that we may be talking people out of doing something that may be good for them.

Agreed. So then my middle ground on that for that person is go for a walk then. You know, if you just, you're motivated right now to move more, you recognize you have a very sedentary lifestyle, maybe someone got you a fit bit for Christmas this year, you put it on, realize your ass doesn't move more than a fucking thousand steps a day.

You should be moving, and I wouldn't tell that person, don't move until you figure out, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go move. But again, be very careful with how you do that, because if you are somebody who's extremely sedentary, you don't move more than 500 to 1000 steps a day and then you decide as your first plan of action is I'm gonna get on the treadmill

for an hour every single day. I don't think that's a smart strategy. That's like four times the movement you are consistently doing and now you're gonna just implement that into your routine. Go for a walk. And then when you go try to cut calories to lose weight, it's a bit skewed, right? That's right. Yeah.

Well, I think the biggest thing to focus on for most people's goals, which is weight loss, is to focus on getting the metabolic rate to increase on its own, because that's a very sustainable approach, right? So if you build some muscle, that'll boost your metabolism. Cardivational activity doesn't really do that. In some cases actually slows the metabolism down. It's the opposite. It's catabolic. Yeah, and so it's not, it's manual.

It's a manual form of calorie burn versus speeding up your metabolism. So I agree with what you're saying. Well, in that context, though, let's talk a little bit about why that is such a bad metabolism. So I agree with what you're saying. Well, in that context, so let's talk a little bit why that is such a bad idea. Yeah. Okay, we've talked on the show many times that one of the first things that we do with a client, even if there's someone who's 50, 100 pounds overweight,

is to start to build their metabolism up. Well, i.e. that means increase calories and strength train. That doesn't mean also do cardio. And why wouldn't I also do cardio by doing that? Well, it's because it's a conflicting message. One of them is anabolic, one of them is catabolic, one of them is pro building muscle, the other one is pro breaking down. So I wouldn't want to try and compete with that. Yeah, this is a very controversial subject because people misconstrued what you're saying as cardio is unhealthy. Right. Not true. I think what we're saying is if your overall strategy is long-term success,

the number one thing you should probably focus on is let's see if I can get my metabolism to burn more on its own. And what cardio does when it's done by itself, especially with calorie restriction, is your body in the study support this, your body will pair muscle down to kind of offset that imbalance. And so you end up with a metabolism that's more efficient, which is slower. And again, there's a study from the modern hunter gathers that show just how efficient your metabolic rate can get. By the way, I know somebody's going to get on, especially YouTube, and oh, here's a study that shows up, yeah, a pound of muscle only burns this much. And okay, it's it's far more complex than that. here's a study that shows up. A pound of muscle only burns this much. And no, no, no. Okay, it's far more complex than that.

There's a range of calories that your body will burn with the current lean body mass that you have. Okay, so even without adding lean body mass or losing lean body mass, your body can become more or less efficient with your current lean body mass. Now, what moves it more or less efficient has to do with the signals you send it,

how you feed your body, stress, lots of hormones. For example, you could give someone testosterone who has low testosterone, and you'll see a boost in metabolic rate. That happens before the boost in lean body mass tends to happen. You'll see it starts a trend in that direction. So what you wanna do is you wanna get the metabolism to kind of move a little faster

because a faster metabolism definitely was a liability 10,000 years ago. You don't want to have a fast metabolism when it was so hard to come by food. Today is the opposite. A fast metabolism is an asset. A slow metabolism is a liability. So it's a great strategy and I don't, I mean,

I've done this before where I've taken a client, gotten them to lose 20 pounds, and they were eating more at the end of that journey than they were going into it, which it's usually not that way. Usually someone loses 20 pounds or 30 pounds, and they're eating way less than they had to, then they started with,

and now they're stuck with this kind of low calorie. Well, I like this advice, mainly because it's contrary to what people think. A lot of times when I have conversations with clients in their entire goals weight loss, and I like to bring up their activity levels and just wear their app with that and getting them to figure that out,

as far as lifestyle and addressing, what their rituals are and what their entire day looks like versus getting an artificial type of manufactured way of moving in terms of that sticking within like your daily routine. It's so much more effective I found with human behavior to find those moments to just like stand more, to just walk a little bit farther. And you just find like more of those type of approaches throughout the day. It's just so much more of a winning strategy. And so I like to focus more on that

because people aren't hearing that. It's definitely a winning strategy. This is, I mean, sometimes this science community is so stupid because we look at everything in this six week, you know, study. So if you took these, if you took two people that were both need to lose the same way, let's just say same everything, right? No, I love where you're going with this. Right, and you go, and you let, you know, study. So if you took these, if you took two people that were both need to lose the same weight, say, let's just say, same everything, right?

No, I love where you're going with this. Right, and you go, and you say, all right, client A, we're doing cardio. Right out the gauge, you're doing an hour every single day plus cardio, plus weight. Yeah, plus weights, plus, and then the other person, I go, no cardio whatsoever. All we're gonna focus on is building strength

and muscle right now for the first six weeks. At the end of that six weeks, if their goal was ultimately to lose weight, the client that introduced cardio is gonna win. But the problem is life is longer than fucking six weeks. So now let's take those exact same people and give me a year with them. And I guarantee you, the person that I spent the first six weeks focusing on building their metabolism, building muscle, not doing any cardio versus the person who was doing

it right on kids. I'm gonna whoop the shit out of that person. Here is all the ant. I'm gonna eat more with this person, so they're gonna be more satisfied. And they're gonna get better results faster in a six month year time. So that's the reason why this gets so,

I think so, muddied up because there's these little studies that show stuff in a six week or maybe 12 week like time frame Which that doesn't that doesn't speak to life. No, and this is why the medical community will still recommend Liquid diets, you know in this study showed oh my god, I lost the most amount of weight So here's here's the the argument. I'm so glad you positioned it that way. That's totally true What we what we're talking about and what we always consider first is sustainability We're not talking about just, in other words, the context of effectiveness, when we talk

about what's most effective, sustainability is at the top of the list. When you hear a body builder or fitness influencer or fitness fanatic or scientist in the space, talk about effectiveness, what they talk about is, what's the most effective right now? Which one gets you to lose the most weight right now? And they don't consider sustainability. It's not a consideration. So yes, you're gonna find YouTube, X Bodybuilders, and whatever, you know, get on.

There's one guy in particular who likes to go on, talk about how, you know, that's a bad message, a little short, X Bodybuilder guy. Not gonna say his name, but you know he is now. And he likes to talk about this all the time. And the problem is his context of effectiveness is not sustainability. His context of effectiveness is what he did

is a body builder, which is, oh, in 12 weeks, you'll lose more weight. Well, yeah, that's true. But who cares? I don't care. I care about sustainability. And look, as a trainer who worked with just everyday average people all the time, the first five years of my career was,

my context of effectiveness was how fast can you lose the weight in a short period of time. Later on, I had to go back and go, that was a complete, the way that I understood effectiveness was so wrong. I did none of my clients- It's because it was a value. Just like this guy you're referring to,

it's coming from the 1% the perspective of the 1% so the way I coach competitors and talk to competitors is totally different. Yeah. Because they're the 1% they're like they're that's their sport. They're fanatical about it. This is not a met. This is a matter of like sustainability. This is a matter of like I got this amount of time. Nobody cares. It's the show. Yeah. I'll show do whatever you want. Yeah, so speaking to that, and that's so funny to me when you see these, you know, you two famous people that people you're referring to

that are giving advice to the masses. There have been a million plus subscribers paying attention to them. I guarantee the million plus people are paying attention to them. 90% of them are not bodybuilders, are not competitors. They're average people looking for advice, and they see this body that looks amazing, and they aspire to look like that,

and so they're taking the advice of this person. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of, and there's a few people like this, like these, I don't know what you want to call them, business influencers, right? How to make a lot of money influencers or whatever. And they'll say charlatans. Yeah, and they'll say stuff like this,

like you just got a grind all day long, barely sleep, work 24 or seven. And there's like a small percentage of the population that can do that, like the 27 year old, no kids, who's whatever. But to the average person, listening to that, like, okay, that's not gonna work. I can't do that.

I don't know. Yeah, what kind of advice can you give me that's gonna help me with sustainable, you know, business success? Because that option, I can do that? Yeah, what kind of advice can you give me that's gonna help me with sustainable business success? Because that option, I can do for 60 days, but then after that it ain't gonna happen. It's the same thing with this. So you have to consider,

unless you don't, you're not thinking about long-term success. If you don't care, you're like, look, I wanna get in shape for Vegas. So your horse blinders on, you wanna look a certain way and do it as quick as possible. We're not the show for you. Yeah, and then after that, I'm done. I don't care what happens after Vegas.

I don't care what, you know, if my legs fall off right now, I'm getting 45 pounds. Yeah. Just get me in shape for Vegas in which case I'll say, well, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to hand cuff you to the treadmill. You're going to need chicken breast and rice and then, you know, we're going to take all these drugs.

We should make it look a particular way. So, hey, speaking of drugs Adam. Are you Great transition to me. Hey, are you gonna do another one? I know you got kind of shadow band because you Oh the wine we think. But are you gonna do it again? I see so many people watching it with a lot of fun to watch.

Yeah, it's still going actually. There's still a lot of people that are watching. Yeah, it's on the trying to get us to do it too. It's on the mine. I did. So it's on the mine pump page, not on your page. Yeah, yeah. So I gotta tell you guys, I'm gonna share a story.

I'm so, I'm gonna apologize first, honey. Cause I told her I wasn't gonna tell this story, but I feel like it's too funny not to share with you guys. Yeah, so I have to tell you guys, I think it's fine. People that listen won't tell ever. So, yeah. It'll stay in this place. Oh no, she'll find out soon, as soon as she listens

to this, I'm gonna be in trouble, but it's just too good, right? And it's also, I endearing, maybe, is the right word for it too. So it's funny and cute, but it's a bit endearing, right? That what happened, right? So, I tell Katrina that we're doing this thing, right? So she's got, you know, those that have been following

or been listed for a long time, no, she's not on social media, she's slow, like she don't even get half of it. Like she's so been disconnected from that world. We're motivated to begin with, are my derailing your story. What would you say? What motivated you to do it to begin with?

Because so many people ask us to give a glimpse of them. I mean, if you- Oh, are spouses? Yeah, I don't know if we've taught, off-air, we've all talked about this, but if you actually, and I didn't know this is positive, if you Google something and then whatever, a term, a name, and then you scroll the very bottom.

It's the most common search. Then you get the 10 most common searches attached to that. It's Adam's wife, Adam's girlfriend. Why is Adam's net worth more than the rest of the guy? Yeah, it's it. So literally like the top like four things attached to me is. No, while he's talking, I want you to look that up on Google for each of us.

I want to see if they're all the same or different. I think it's skewed. No, I don't think they've moved my net worth. So I think we're real often. Yeah, I want to see what it says, Adam Schaefer and then whatever, and Justin Andrews. Okay, so anyway, so I tell Katrina that, hey, Friday, I want to do this,

I tell her, I want to do this, this live Instagram thing where I answer questions and she knows I do the question thing every week, right? I said, but I want to do this live Instagram thing where I answer questions. And she knows I do the question thing every week, right? And I said, but I want to have you in there because everybody wants to meet you and they have questions for you. So I tell her this.

And I said, we're going to have some wine, smoke some weed, and we'll answer questions, stuff like that. So I tell her that early in the week. And I see on Friday, she comes home and I saw that she had bought some nice rambour wine. So she's all about it, right? So now our routine is this.

So the time is 7.30 that we're gonna do this. Well, that's right about the time that we put max down. And what our routine looks like is, I get them ready, I get them up into the bath and get them started and stuff like that. And then I go back downstairs and kind of clean up from dinner, why she's finishing them up with the bath and getting him ready to read to them and then put him and then we read and put him down together.

So she's been up there for the last, I don't know, 45 minutes with him bathing and stuff like that. And so I come up there because it's getting close. I'm getting like at the set, we're going to sit outside by the fire and do this. And I come walking up and she's sitting down with him reading and she's in leggings and a mini skirt, her tits are all out. Like, done hair. I'm like, I'm going live.

Bro, well, no, so listen, so I go, honey, what are you doing? She's like, well, we have a date night tonight, right? No, what kind of a live event do you want to do? I go, I go, we have a, she's like, we have a date night tonight, right? I said, well, yeah, but we're going live and I'm answering questions. She's like, well, I figured it's like our date thing and you're just going to answer your questions. Why we sit there?

Oh, she didn't know the camera. She didn't know she didn't know she just realized it's going to be live on camera. She thought I was just doing like the normal questions and then people could ask her questions and we could sit together. So she gets all done up for me that that we're gonna do this whole wine and smoke and everything like that. She was so embarrassed, because I mean, bro, she had like the knee high stockings on.

That everything's all pushed out, everything. And I go, oh honey, I appreciate this so much. But I don't think you want it. People are gonna be a sweater. And I mean, like, I'm gonna go to the hoodie and the beanie and stuff like that. And I'm all comfy down. And then she got all sexy and stuff like that.

And so she had to go run easily easily could have tripled the views. Yeah, what are you trying to do? I know. I thought you thought I thought you're focused on the business. Follow. I'm sure there's been there's been plenty of people that would appreciate it. But I know she would have been embarrassed because she didn't think that. Surprise her.

Boom. I know. There's a little bit of me that kind of thought like oh this would be funny I'm not even gonna tell her and then we'll do it It's like I got a teller because she'll feel so that's you guys have an out like do you guys have a something that you because women are good at This right they in man or visual creatures, but you know They'll know what to put on to get you kind of like oh my god. Do you guys have anything like that that works for your wives? Yeah, you put something yeah grace what's yeah, what is it with that because you could see all the detail and

for some reason the shadows, I don't know it just plays into that, you know what? You know that I actually didn't know that was a thing neither did I yeah me either so I didn't know that was a thing Like this is like 10 years ago, okay, and I used to teach boot camp class in your grace We're in my grace sweats all the time and it was actually it was actually Actually Katrina who like called me out on it one day is like You know you use your whole gray sweat thing just to keep your attendance up all the time like that I'm like, what are you? It totally went over the new mind pump gray sweats coming out. Yeah, it totally went over my head

I didn't I never put it in class was always like Adam demonstrate the burpees and jumping jacks We don't know how to you guys have been here for years. But here, here, for Christmas, they all buy me boxers all the time. And so this is the best thing for me. You could put it together, had no idea what's going on. You know what, so funny? This is what I had no idea about.

So I learned that about, right around the same time, about 10 years ago, up until then, I did not know, like I knew that, like, women checked men out, right? But I didn't know women looked at dudes in their junk. But right in the junk, like, I did not know that that was like a thing, like because women aren't supposedly supposed to be like.

Because I know where we look first. I mean, unless you have other preferences. Yeah, what do you mean? Who are? Huh? Who are you? Who are you? Who are you?

Who are you? Who are you? On a women or a guy? Not on a guy. Oh, yeah. Oh, I thought you were a person, yeah I thought you said an obvious thing You guys get all confused Just like look when I look at a guy look at a smile. Yeah, look at you

For me not as I look at his calves first then it's Look at his dance. That's me. Okay. I mean on this I look at his calves first then it's my time you're struggling and I had no Would you see I'll be first? Yeah, you tell me that was first. I saw your cheesy smile No, but I I did not know that you know women were like that again I mean what I guess this is pretty naive, but I don't know when we're looking at dudes in their junk right away Yeah, that's hilarious. I think it's different for each. So I've heard some women say it's their arms for some will say so I think I think there's a thing about baseball pants. I hope some ladies back me up on this But yeah, there's a whole thing with that like I remember it was just like neck turning stuff when the guys

Walk by and baseball yeah, it's because yeah, also the uniform thing though. Yeah, that's a big one too Yeah, a man in uniform. There Also the uniform thing though. Yeah, that's a big one too. Well, that too, yeah. A man in any uniform is a- There's gotta be a janitorial- It was like an authoritarian thing. What is that? There's gotta be something evolutionary about being outfit.

And I'm thinking, is it because it shows exactly like authority or that you belong to a group? I don't have no idea what the hell it is with uniforms. I have no idea. Gray sweats, I guess it shows more. But how does Grace sweats show more than other colors? Is it the color that shows the color? Yeah, it has something to do with the shadow. It has to do with the color black, just kind of like all blends in so it's less, yeah,

because that point, I posted a picture of lens on the story, you know, everyone's well, post a flexing picture and I had Grace sweats on immediately. Oh, yeah, yeah, immediately Jessica's like, oh, you got your gray sweats on. The way YouTube back when we did those videos and we were sponsored by Viori and so we started wearing a lot of those like, sweats, the gray sweats, and I would get those comments every now.

I didn't even think of that. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah, I guess this is what everybody's paying attention to. Now, are you guys good about, say when the wives do things like this, like, are you, can't be honest here?

Are you, are you guys the good husband that like, you know, when the wife gets her hair cut or when she does her nails or when she does? What you do? Yeah, and you say something. Oh, I noticed. I was gonna say we noticed, because I know you have a juxtaposed

that out of life. I, you notice Justin misses, I know it, I know it, I know that's how it goes. That's not true. Yesterday, hold on, was he yesterday day before, Katrina comes in and Justin's like, I knew that to get Adam in trouble. Yeah, that's how it's true. Yesterday, hold on, was yesterday day before, Katrina comes in and Justin's like, I owe you that to get Adam in trouble. Yeah, that's what we see.

Hey, he just threw up it out. Oh my God, he did something with your hair. He's with your hair, that's what you said about our hair or nails or something like that. It's just like, thanks for noticing, Justin. I'm so glad somebody noticed. Yeah. Yeah, Adam these were.

I just saw a comedian do a standup on this and I thought it was so good, it was so accurate. And he was making fun of like when girls come home and they have their hair done. And he was like, oh my God, the quarter of an inch that they took off, because that's what it is. Like she goes and gets her hair done and she's like, you didn't even say anything.

And I'm like, well, it's kind of the same. She's like, you can't tell this is like one and a half shades lighter and that I dropped, I took a quarter of an inch off. Like, that's why you just say color. Okay, so that colors. You know what though? Just walk away.

Two man's defense. Have you guys ever seen those color charts where they'll show different varying degrees of colors? And women are far better at determining different subtle shade differences, whereas men are not. So they definitely do notice shit like that. Is that like the extra, remember that thing that went viral a few years ago, the blue dress,

if it was a blue dress? No, that was different. What was that? Do you remember that exercise? I remember when I was talking about. I remember talking about. Yeah, I was like, it was like, that was something else.

That was something to do with how we process. Yeah, like certain people saw like two distinct different colors, right? I do think women see like more like shades of color. They do. No, no, that's a fact. Yeah. In the theory is evolutionarily speaking as gatherers,

they would see a theory. That's your theory. No, that's the current theory. That's very theory. If you say it enough times on the podcast, it becomes a real theory. We're gonna look it up, bro. I've shared, I think it's a brilliant theory.

I think it makes my life a good say. It does. Like I tell the story all, I steal your story all the time about how when we go look for things in the, no, that's my theory. I'm talking specific about, is that what you're saying?

Yeah, no, I'm talking specifically about noticing different shades of colors. And the theory is that women are, we're better at determining if a fruit or food was either edible or poisonous or, or bad. This is also why they get hypersensitive to smell when they're pregnant. So because it's better safe than sorry. So they'll not eat something that potentially give you the sweet than the, yes, that could be poisonous. So they become super hypersensitive and things just make them nauseous because that's that better safe than sorry.

I thought you were blending your theory in there with the... No, no, that's the other one I made out of. The mustard that we can't find in the fridge right here. Yeah, it has nothing to do with being lazy. There's something in there, dude. There is something in there. It's just a literally happening to me last night.

I can't see shit. Dude, sometimes, I just can't. I went in there, it's right in front of me. I went in there last night to give Mazi a binadrill as allergies are kicking up and stuff like that, and I must have been in there for like 15. Honey, are you sure the Benadrill, are we out of Benadrill?

No, it's in there. I'm looking everywhere, check the shelf behind, I mean, and I had that moment too of like where she talked shit to me like about that. And I'm like, so I'm aggressively in there, you know, moving things like we don't normally do, and I'm like, it is fucking not here. So I go running out there, you know, moving things like we don't normally do. And I'm like, it is fucking not here. So I go running out there, I said, honey, it's not here.

I think we're out, you need to order some. She walks in there, five minutes later, walks out with Benadrill. I swear to God, I swear to God, I look there. Hold on a second, hold on. But what I believe, she puts things, I was just gonna say, she puts things in weird places that don't make,

like here's all the medicine, so I'm checking all around me. And then it was, you know, in a jar over here. Or, hold on a second, did you see her find it? No, I didn't. Okay, maybe she brought it with her. I think they do that too. I think they do that.

They just create roots, dude. I think they do that. I think they do this just the fuck with me. Why doesn't it fucking go there? Doesn't make any sense. It's way too far away. Yeah, like it would make more sense here, but no. I don't even care, and I don't argue because I am not

gonna organize stuff. You guys have seen how I organize things. So I'm just like, yeah, that's fine. You, I'll put it where you want. You come back seat. You manage this, you're way better than I am at this stuff. So I'm more that way at our house. Like I like everything to have its place.

Like we literally just built, we just bought this new thing for like for the front door and has like a, you open it up and you could sit on it and shoes and stuff. And it's, I've now designated is, I told Katrina, I said she's like, where's my computer bag? Where's the mail that I just, I said, so that thing is now become my spot

or I put your shit that you don't have a place for. So if you don't, if you have not designated a place for so if you don't if you have not Decided in a place for I'm piling everything in that in the junk box Yeah, it's a junk box until you can give me a place to put because I like I'm gonna top sir all this covers we are three our place has so much storage We have empty covers in our place. So I'm like just tell me I'll put it away for you Just say this is where I want mail to go This is where I want when I bring home some weird

face cream stuff. This is where I want my computer stuff to go. And I'll put it there. But you guys kind of designate us. No, so no Jessica organizes everything, but here's the only challenge I have. She reorganizes everything. Offend, you say.

Oh yeah, I'll open a drawer and it's just, all of a sudden it's empty and I have a moment of questioning myself. Did I do that? No,, no not that but like did I forget I've always been this way I'm often forgetful right so I'll open and be like now. I'm embarrassed I'm like oh I reorganize everything. I'm like What's going on anyway? I was gonna tell you brought up your son. Maybe reminds me remember something yesterday So this is the thing that I get kids do I forgot but my son Jessica's out with him in the backyard and she turns around for two seconds, go back around,

and he's eating dirt. He decided that he was gonna be the best. So you know, what is it? So we were so blown away that, Matt. And he got so mad. So Matt's the start of those kids. And it's like a 50-50 thing. Like if your kid eats dirt or not, right?

Because he grew up on the beach. And that was like Katrina right away. It was just like, oh, I'm so, like, don't let him put his animals. And he just never did. And he's still to this dirt or not, right? Because he grew up on the beach, and that was like Katrina right away, was just like, oh, I'm so, like don't let him put it in his, and he just never did. And he's still to this day, is not, he doesn't eat dirt, but it's some kids, like that's like go to.

As soon as they can grab it, they put it in their mouths. That's some kids just love to get in it. You know, like smear it on themself. And that's like, yeah, that's me, and that's my youngest, but yeah, Ethan's not like that at all. He's like super clean and just like, you know, conscious. It's partially how they explore. So textures and tasting, trying to, Ethan's not like that. Oh, he's like super clean and just like

It's partially how they explore so textures and tasting trying to figure out Yeah, but it's just funny to me because like the fastest thing in the world is a one-year-old trying to put something in his mouth That when you're when you turn around you ever do that with it They grab something they see you looking at them. Oh real quick stuff in my face. Yeah, yeah She goes over and she tries to like open his little little and by the way a one-year-old's grip to Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he goes over and she tries to like open his little, and by the way, a one year old's grip to keep him. Sainly so, oh, it was, huh? Oh, and so she's like opening a little hand,

a little, they're coming out. Yeah. So I got a dad situation to run by you guys. And so I've, I've got my first, you know, mother-in-law hurdle, right? Oh. And so, I mean, I anticipate this continues as raising the children happens, right?

Well, first you had the hair cut thing that you worked through. Yeah, right. So that was like the first hurdle. Here's the next one. And my mother-in-law doesn't even know this, because I don't even like, do I just chalk this up to the game and just not worry about this and get frustrated with it? So last night, my son is like, I swear,

he's so blessed, he's such a good kid, he's fairly easy, as easy as having a child can be. And when we did all the Christmas stuff, like he knows, it's like, it looks to him like more like decor. Like so we've had our Christmas presents out on under the tree for weeks now. And he doesn't mess with them. He'll come over presents, then he'll touch them and look at them

and ooh, we'll do that, but he doesn't try and rip them open. He totally listens, right? So the last like fucking three days, he's all sudden one open him to the point where when I tell him, no, he throws a little bit of a tantrum, he cries, and he gets, daddy, daddy. I'm like, Max, we gotta wait, Chris, I know I want to open him too.

And I'm like, I look at Katrina and I go, why is he all this sudden, so are they? She goes, well, my mom, Katrina and I go, why is he all of a sudden, so are they? She goes, well, my mom, every time I've been taking her house has been letting him open a present, every time he comes over. So for the last three weeks, he's visited his Nana and every time he comes over there, she gives in

and lets him open a present. He's opening other people's presents, even because she wants to be able to open it, every fucking time he comes over there. So now he's trained that when he comes in the house and sees presence, he can open him. And I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the fuck happened.

Cause just like a month ago, this kid didn't care about it. It wasn't such a gnauison. Like we're having like full on breakdowns. Of crying cause I won't let him open it. And I'm like, what is wrong with you son? You've never, you haven't acted like this. And then Katrina finally breaks down and goes, yeah, well my mom has been letting him open presence.

I'm like, like, what do you mean presence? Like, oh, well, every time I drop him off, she says that he wants to open it. So he, she lets him open. Yeah. Oh, motherfucker. Yeah. So grandparents do, they break all the rules. They do this.

They like, they drop a bomb and then they leave. And then, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, I just let him have a Sunday, you know, it's 10 o'clock at night. I know. But here you leave. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, I just let it have a Sunday. You know, it's 10 o'clock at night, I know. But here you go. Yeah, I know. It's a tough one because part of it is like, they have their own, you want them to have their own

relationship with their grandparents and aunts and uncles, the other side of you's like, what respect will we like to do? So it's like it's a give and take. I don't want a robber of her joy, right? And also his joy with his, you know, cause, okay, here's a deal. I think back, because I was very close

to my grandparents growing up. A lot of people weren't, so they might not understand this, but I was, and there were definitely special things that I did with my grandparents that I didn't do with my parents. And it became this thing, like, and it wasn't,

I know my parents wouldn't allow me to do the same stuff, but it became like this, like my grandmother, and this may be a tie and thing, I don't know, she used to like to sneak us money. So she would end this money, like it was a drug deal. And she'd go like this, like, shh, don't tell your mom. That was a funny thing. Isn't there a meme that went viral of that

where the grandma, because my grandma used to do this too, where she folded up real small and she hands it to you. So you had a good relationship with your grandma Yeah, my grandma were really tight like this. So think about it. She used to do this for me Think about the stuff that you do with your grandma that your mom and dad would have never done Yeah, and it kind of made a special totally yeah, and it's in my opinion There's it's give or take some stuff's not worth it like like My mom is a garter. I was like nine years old Yeah, that's smokers cigar and I was like, nine years old.

Yeah, see like that's crossing the line. That might be crossing the line. That's a little bit creepy. I was like hanging out with him and his friends at the pool hall. I believe my, my love language was developed because of my grandmother. So my love language is,

is material things. And every time I see my grandma, I'm going to material work. It's too busy. Every time I see my grandmother, she took a shopping, which you talk about when my parents would, you know, my parents crazy was that at any time I saw her, that was the, she took me right away, took me go shopping for clothes, toys, whatever. And that was like, I got spoiled every time I visited her.

But that also turned out, I always felt like I was so, I've ever, all my family members, right? Parents, aunts, uncles, my grandmother, I felt the most loved from. And so I, it molded how I got out. But you know what's funny though? I'll ask you this, she did that, but that's not the main reason why you felt loved by her.

Oh, of course. Yeah, so you, but you also connected that. Yeah, I connected that, right? Yeah, because it wasn't like our whole time together was. You know what's funny about that generation? Like Justin, you said your grandfather had you smoke a cigar when you were nine. That generation was so different.

My grandfather would take my cousin and I, so we're the same age. Like Justin you said your grandfather had you smoke a cigar when you were nine that generation was so different my grandfather Would take my cousin and I so we're the same age my cousin's happened mayor about the same age He would take us in the room when we were like nine or ten and he'd say come here come here Try this try this and it would he give us a shot glass and you put a little bit of grappa in there Which is like whiskey that'll burn your face when you're nine grappa what are you doing? No, that'll burn your face when you're nine. Drapa, what are you doing? No, no, that's gasoline. Yes, and you would give it to us a little bit and he'd say, go ahead, taste it. And I'd be like, I look around like, I don't know, I don't know if I'll, come on, do it.

You'll put hair in your chest. And then I'd do it every other thing. And he'd start laughing, you're gonna make you a man and you put it away. This is like what I got while it's sad to us. Yeah, we're a little stupid. You can put hair in your chest. It's so hilarious. Helicopter parents head exploding right now.

Oh, it's ridiculous. Hey, I want to bring something up before I forget, Adam, especially you because I know you were in this industry. The California weed industry. Are you reading what's going on right now? I tend to say pretty current, what are you referring to right now? Okay, so this is very interesting now,

and we called this. We called this when things were starting to get legalized in California and what we said was, that's great, but if they over-regulate and over-tax it, they're gonna maintain a very vibrant black market. Sure enough, the dispensary industry, the leaders of California dispensaries or whatever, have written a big letter to Gavin Newsom,

who's the worst governor of all time. They sent it to him and they said, Hey, man, our industry is on the verge of collapse. I've laid off half of my people. He said they said, 75% of the weed in our industry is being sold illegally because the taxes that you guys are charging are so high that we can't compete with that market

so what they're asking for is like a holiday on the taxes on it or in a reduction But this just goes to show like you can legalize something regulated so hard that you still keep the black market I mean I Need people ask all time where I get my stuff from and it's I don't get it from the clubs because the best stuff doesn't make it to the clubs. There's still a demand on the black market to pay a premium for that. And that premium is cheaper. Yeah, it's cheaper or about the same price

that you'll pay for the best top shelf stuff in a club. And so people are just like, why even? So it's created this still vibrant black market because I remember when I was there, I don't know what the taxing looks like, but boy, we had to pay like tax, tax, I think like three different taxes like on a transaction.

So it was created on total of like 27% in taxes. It's just, it's just. And then on top of it, they passed something like you have to grow your own supply and you have to do it like this. All in house. And they regulate the crap out of it. And what that like you have to grow your own supply and you have to do it like all in house And they regulate the crap out of it and what that does I Milton Friedman a long time ago said it's a dumbest thing ever Because now you have to be a master grower and producer in addition to somebody

It's just it's better to keep those separate. There's farmers that have been doing this forever That you should allow to do their job and be good at it and then let distributors and people that are running clubs do their job, which is operating a business. Milton Friedman said a long time ago that from a business perspective, the war on drugs literally is to protect the drug cartels and their profits because it doesn't allow legal competition. So, and to give you a good example of this, I don't remember, who was the guy's name, who was in New York City? He was selling cigarettes on the black market, because that's a vibrant black market in New York City, and then members of the cops took him down

and he died or whatever from... Beverly Hills cop. No, I'm Murphy. No, did that happen? That part one. Oh, remember that? No. That's how it opens.

The opening scene on Beverly Hills cop one is Eddie Murphy is undercover, and he is selling crates of cigarettes in New York. I do now I remember that. Yeah, yeah, that's the opening scene and the truck takes off and he's fine. Well anyway, so in New York City there's a vibrant black market for cigarettes because they've done the same thing. Still.

They've taxed the shit out of cigarettes. So stupid. So that's something you have to consider. If you want to legalize something and also reduce the black, because the black market, one of the big challenges of the black market is disputes can't be handled legally, so they tend to be handled violently, right? So if you steal from me or whatever, I can't take it a core because it's a black market. So we're going to handle it, just you and I, and then quality control and all that stuff, right? So this is a big issue. You know, the interesting, it would be interesting to see good stats on this. I bet you the black market, okay,

with all the cannabis clubs, okay, that are now all over the country and doing business and being tax on, I would predict that the black market is no smaller today on marijuana than it was 10 years ago. It just organized differently. Yes, right.

And I think all it really did was introduce people who weren't gonna smoke weed ever or thought it was taboo or thought it was bad. So that's just going to the, that's what about Colorado? Well, just in terms of their, their economy there with with cannabis. And it like it's pretty, it seems pretty,

I mean, I don't know what their tax, they were taxing. They were like one of the first to legalize and to organize and get the state more involved with coming in. I don't know how they organized it there, but I do know that. Still black market.

What politicians will do is that they'll look at a market and if it's considered like a bad, quote unquote bad activity, then they have carte blanche to tax the shit out of it, right? Because, oh, it's weed. So we're gonna tax the hell out of it, right? Oh, it's cigarettes, we're gonna tax the hell out of it. Oh, it's sugary sodas, we're gonna tax the hell out of it.

And the way they back it up is by saying, well, this is something that is bad, right? So, but what they don't, what doesn't happen or what people don't realize is the unintended consequences often result in a worse outcome, right? So what's the outcome here in California is that the black market remains strong or stronger and that's not a good thing.

We still have a huge black market now. So when I was involved in the clubs, it was very common practice for these club owners to be running a legitimate business where they're being taxed or something like that. But you're basically using it as a front to be doing all this backdoor business illegally. Yup.

Shipping across to other states, maybe even doing other drugs that aren't legal yet. So they don't care the business. There's more profits there, right? And so I was in this to try and legitimize it with my buddies and me. But especially because they wouldn't let you put the money in your bank.

Yeah. Yeah, that was a huge problem. Yeah. So it's like, are you working in them? You guys working cash. Yeah, what do you do? You can let you put the money in your bank. Yeah, that was a huge problem. Yeah, I think I can eat them. You guys working cash, what do you do? You can just keep stuff in under your mattress. Yeah, and then it made guys like us who were trying to do it legitimately, really difficult because then those guys could undercut prices.

So they would do prices that, I mean, I'm running the books at our place. So I'm like doing the math, like, okay, you're paying this from a farmer, you're getting taxed this much, you have it possible. It's not possible. I'm like, you at our place. So I'm like doing the math, like, okay, you're paying this from a farmer, you're getting taxed this much, you have it. It's not possible. It's not possible. I'm like, you can't do that.

You can't write, there's no way and everyone starts price gouging, just to get the most foot traffic to come through their place so then they could do other stuff. So that became a race to the bottom and no one gave a shit about the business actually being that profitable, because they profitable legitimately.

Because you exactly, so I mean, that's been one of the biggest challenges with this whole industry as it's grown. It's also a big reason why I wanted out of it. I was just like, this is stupid. And that's right, I left the clubs to get into the growing side because that was a little more streamlined.

At that time, it was a little more streamlined and free. You could go get your license. And at that time, I could distribute to any it was a little more streamlined and free. You could go get your license, and at that time, I could distribute to any club, so long as I followed the rules. Have you guys ever seen the, you can actually look this up. There's numbers that show that there's a certain amount of revenue that the government will collect

when they raise taxes, but then pass a certain point, they don't collect anymore. Because what happens is they'll raise taxes, revenue will go up, then they'll keep raising them. Economy doesn't grow as much, so although it's a greater percentage of the revenue that's, of the economy, because the economy shrank, they actually bring in less.

And then you'll see in other cases, they'll cut taxes. If it grows the economy, they actually collect more money. That number is called something, that's a sweet spot. I don't remember. There's a ton for it. There's a really good guy that I wish are, you just reminded me of an incredible interview that Patrick Bet David did and he did it with this like, I believe he was Clinton and

Bush's and like a couple presidents, like economist and he's a CPA and he talks all about this. God, I'll look it up so hopefully I can add it to the show notes, but you just reminding me and he talks about that. By the way, speaking of taxes, Elon Musk is going to pay 11 billion. 11 is up from eight. I saw eight. It's 11 billion dollars. Like a record. Yeah, whatever. So how does that? By the way, at least it was a warrant called my free loader. I can't believe me. I cannot fire neither. I don't understand people

who buy into that. Yeah, but you have to be able to insane. She walked into a fucking buzz solve. He hammered. Because he straight rock them out. I'm just, I'm bastard that people, like, okay, so, you know, these politicians that are, they're net worth. Like, you just look at all the politicians, like what their net worth is. Oh, right.

And look at like a Pelosi, like, how the hell, are you that wealthy? It's crazy. You have to ask what? It's crazy to me that they're even allowed to trade oh dude did you see you see what's coming out what they're doing about that Twitter page so they're so all got there too so they're investigating trades that politicians and people in the know

uh... because for some reason they don't get scrutinized by the SEC like other people do so weird so politicians it's not weird. They oversee legislation on markets, oversee legislation on companies, and then they'll make trades based off of those. There was one federal judge who made, a hundred and 30, I saw that, like a hundred and 30 cases

that he was involved in. Yes, now there was trades on. Now, trip off this. That's insane. And politicians do this all the time. And so in Pelosi's well known for it, there's other politicians. By the way, it's not a Democrat thing.

It's a Republican, it's just people in power. Yeah, I know Paul was, uh, he did something, he did this close after like whatever. 16 months or something. It's crazy and this should not be allowed because it completely will influence the way that they make the decision.

Well, it doesn't make sense to me because the president can't do that. Only person. make sense to me because the president can't do that only person He's yeah, the president can't do that He's got to put any sort of like holdings of he has to go into like a blind trust if I understand it correctly So the thing that doesn't make sense to me is what why aren't all politicians under that same who passes those laws You gotta be a specian kind of moron to think that I mean I get it I get why I get making I get why they're all in on it, and why left or right doesn't want to pass that,

because that's one of the best ways they can all make money. I mean, I think that's the reason why we might not ever see that pass, because everybody knows these fuckers don't make a lot of money for their date, their nine to five. No, with the salary for the power, the tolerance, and then-

It's like 250 a year. Yeah, that's what I should say. Terrible, like you've been just terrible. But, I mean, if you're- No, terrible, it was a side-tier, like, you could just terrible, but I mean, if you're terrible, okay, it doesn't make sense as what you should say. There were some of them were worth $50 million. You've been making $200,000 a year. Like, you ain't gonna save $50 million.

There was a, okay, so here along with you. Are you looking up the average congressman's salary? Could be. Yeah, 174,000. It's even less than, yeah, 174 a year, and they're all multi-millionish. Now, 174. 174 year and they're all they're all multi multi million now now Justin said something that really so for people who don't think social media is in the bag for for politicians here's your evidence right here there was this Twitter page that that following Pelosi it put what it did is

it said she said she's the best trader of all time and they showed how like on the point all our trades are. And so all they did was highlight her trade so people could follow them, Twitter blocked the account. Yeah, I know. Imagine if you're going into Casino and you have that kind of winning percentage, like the pit boss is all over you, dude, is throwing you out and like breaking your hands.

Oh, that's insane. Speaking of winning, I know we're supposed to mention Viori today. I do want to say, if you look them up and you type in news, Viori, they are consistently listed as one of the fastest growing straight to consumer companies, as one of the fastest growing ETH leisureware companies, they have gone from zero to a hundred. It's such a fast period of time, I can't even believe it. It's one of the most exciting companies I've ever seen. Like, they're growing so fast.

They went from nobody knows them, how, oh, you're gonna try and compete with, with Lulu and whatever to, they are now trendsetters in this space. It's insane. I'm so proud of us on that, fine, the fact that we've been rocking with them for over four years now,

and they've been a partner of ours and just see them have that kind of, they might be, when I look at our, you know, portfolio of partners, they probably are one of the biggest ones that have grown since we've been hooked up with them. Oh my God. They are so much. Because what was the valuation? What did Joe say to us? Was two, two billion. Now? Yeah. I think they started. They were under a hundred. Oh yeah. They were under a hundred million I remember Him first disclosing their sales with us when we first got started and they were under a hundred million

So they're in the billion by the way What are you doing with the ripstop pants you keep talking about tapering? Oh, so Justin's wearing them right now right? Yeah, so these are the oh you are so these are not my favorite pants that they have these are what you don't like these So comfy So these are not my favorite pants that they have. But, you don't like these, I love them. It was a little comfy. It was the name of the guy that you introduced us to. He was at the Christmas party and he's done some design work for us. You were working on the bags with him. Jason, is that his name? Jesse.

Jesse, Jesse. Yeah, you've taken it. So the first time we met Jesse, we met Jesse, you invited him up to the trucky house and he shows up and I never met him before this time. And he's wearing Viori pants, but they're cuffed at the bottom and they look like the rips hopped and I'm like, yo, where did you get those?

Like I have all Viori stuff and I've never seen those, those are sick. And he's like, oh, these are the rips stops, but I went and took them to my tailor and I got them, I got elastic put in the bottoms. So they're tapered and cuffed. So I was like, no way. And I was like, how much you pay then? He's like, oh, I was like five in the bottoms. So they're tapered and cuffed. So I was like, no way. And I was like, how much do you pay then?

He's like, oh, I was like, five or ten bucks. So I went and took mine because I never wear them. I don't like how they're open at the bottom. And I got them all cuffed for like five or ten bucks. It's not like they're baggy at the bottom. Yeah, but I still like the, I'm all like tight though. Yeah, yeah, that's more the style. You want people to see your ankle tattoo?

Yeah, at least. You make castles for that butterfly. Yeah, that's it. Hey, another company, I want to bring another company we work with. So remember how we talked about Luna? I think we did in a whole episode, we did with physical therapists. Yeah. And how I brought up how it should be normalized that women get physical therapy postpartum.

The DMs I got from therapists that specialize on this were incredible. I had one lady send me and she goes, DM me and she says, I'm so glad you brought that up because it's still not accepted. And she said 100% one of the most valuable things a woman can do postpartum is do physical therapy specifically for being postpartum,

like working on the pelvic floor. Dude, it's so crazy that you wouldn't consider that physical therapy specifically for being postpartum, like working on the pelvic floor. Dude, it's so crazy that you wouldn't consider that because it's such a journey, a traumatic journey on the body to go through that. And to be able to recover from that is getting help in that direction would be huge. Well, pelvic floor issues postpartum are super common.

And if you don't address them and fix them, they stay with you, they can stay with you for a long time. And then they can cause dysfunction and other things. So like common symptom, like, oh, I can't hold my PN or I can't control those muscles or I lose course stability or back pain, which is very common. Of course, diastastas recti, which is something different. So she's like, oh, yeah, she goes, it would make it makes such a huge difference when a woman sees me postpartum. And I can do certain, you know, specific, because it's very specific. It's not like you're just training that. Right. It's very, very specific. And then the part that she was excited about, she's like, I wasn't familiar with Luna. She was, I think it's brilliant because one of the reasons why women don't get therapy post part of them is no, most moms don't want to part with their baby

and go to a clinic to go meet with a therapist. She goes, in fact, I think you go to someone's house, she said, is absolutely brilliant. Talk about a company that's exploding. Doug, what are our rules as investors on what we can share? Like when they send their quarterly updates to us or that, are we allowed to, no, I don't think so. Are we not allowed to share that?

Depends, depending on the company, right? If they want us to. I thought I think that when you're an investor and you know, so I don't know how many total are now investors in Luna, we get our quarterly updates. And that's like a private email that gives you the inner workings of like the growth and the success.

Is that public information or is that? Well, it's obviously not public because it's a private company. I would say that we probably shouldn't share it simply because that's their information. Better to err on the side of being. I don't know if it's a problem. No, we can't share this.

They are exploding. Well, yeah, I know. That's what I'd be nice to share with our audience like the growth that we've seen. The growth, yeah, the real number growth that we've seen in the just the last six months that we've been talking with. I can't see how they won't completely overturn the industry. We've seen in real number growth that we've seen in the last six months that we've been tied in with them.

I can't see how they won't completely overturn the industry. There's no, I can't be doing it. I can't be a giant in the making. There is not a single like negative. We almost, I can at least say this, right? We almost doubled the valuation on from the time we got invested in, which was less than six months ago. I mean, that's crazy.

Yeah. And they were already, oh, which was less than six months ago. Yeah. I mean, that's crazy. Yeah. You know, and they were already, oh, north of a hundred million dollar company. So just to see double growth in months time, it's on a rocket ship right now. So it's, yeah, I know. I'm excited to see it really. I mean, I knew it was gonna be a big deal

when I had told my buddy about it who was in physical therapy, and he had no clue about it, and then literally like weeks later, he called me like, bro, Luna came in and actually did a whole presentation and he's like, holy shit, I'm like, yeah, dude, this thing is gonna disrupt this space.

Totally. All right, speaking of health, I gotta bring something up which is kind of interesting. So there's been some studies done on the COVID-19 spike protein, right, so everybody knows about the spike protein because that's what the vaccines are based off of, and it's what houses the virus, and it's what causes it to stick to certain cells

in the body or whatever. So this was researchers have found a concerning link between certain heart cells and the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which is COVID-19. So the spike protein appears to change cells in the small blood vessels around the heart, disrupting the regular function. So this was presented at the European Society

of Cardiology of Congress, and they show that the spike protein binds to cells called parasitites or parasites, I think, or parasites, I don't have pronounce the right, it's P-E-R-I-C-Y. Parasitites. T-E-S. Now, here's my issue with that, okay?

The spike protein is not just present in the COVID-19 virus. It's also what we put in the vaccines, which may be why the vaccines have been observed in some cases to cause heart inflammation or issues related to that. So that spike protein itself, which we, the side, which pharmaceutical companies were really smart and they did have a very short period of time, they had to find something that they could design their vaccine around that would work.

They chose the spike protein and it was almost unanimous. Like you look at all the competing farmer companies, they all chose the spike protein. This is what we got to base it off of. But now what we're finding is the spike protein itself, by itself, causes issues. Of course, the virus also causes even more issues. So then the question is, if you have a bad reaction

to the vaccine, does that mean you would have gotten a worse reaction to the virus, which is a lot of people talk about, but it seems like at least it would be a similar reaction. Yes, very interesting. So it's crazy because it's that protein by itself that can cause issues separately from the virus, which also causes its own issues.

So we'll see what ends up, what we end up figuring out later on. From I like to wait for more data to come out. Did you watch the all-in podcast where they talked about what's happening though since the RNA protein that you're talking about, all that research is now, there's connecting it to some positive things that may help cancer. Oh, that technology.

The technology is huge. And so that may be the silver lining in this whole push on the vaccine so fast as it pushed a lot of things forward. You're definitely innovating a lot of new methods of treatment. If you look at the technology behind mRNA vaccines, the promise is incredible. There is almost endless range of things that you could prevent or treat from this technology.

Because you're technically manipulating someone's DNA code, is that a simple way of saying it? I mean, it's not quite, but somewhat, right? And so what that allows you to do is it allows you to produce targeted, you know, antibodies for specific, you know, diseases or viruses or illnesses or cancers even. So the potential is massive.

Now, that doesn't mean it's gonna happen, but the potential is massive. Yeah, super fascinating. Then it's going to happen, but the potential is massive. Yeah, super fascinating. Then when you see this stuff happening, and then when we talk to like Zbiotics and what they're doing with GMO, I just, with GMO bacteria, like what's coming in the next 10 years

is going to be really interesting what we're going to be doing. We are about to enter into two radical shifts in medicine. One is that the ability to modify certain genes to do kind of what we want, which again the potential could be endless there. And then the second revolution is gonna be in mental health with the research that's coming out

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necular metabolism and not sacrificing games? So the context here, like I grew up, Sal probably very similar to you, like Laundice and Srunner, very skinny, like strong win, there goes Dan. And strength training and was able to pack on a bunch of muscle and now been going through Maps and Obolic, which is awesome. But I've worn a wrist-worn heart rate monitor for the last seven years, whether it's Fitbit

or Garmin or Woop or whatever. And I've noticed with weight gain and strength gains via two max going down and resting heart rate going up and trending in a way that I don't like. So I'm curious if you guys have any tips or tricks on how to do that while not sacrificing mass and strength gains in gym. Dan, any particular reason why you want other than just having a better VO2 max, do you have anything specific, why you want to improve that? No, it's more of just a longevity thing.

I had a big fan of Dr. Peter Tia and some of his research on VO2 max being a sort of all-cause mortality reduction and closely followed by strength. So I want to make sure that I can, you know, be capable in any scenario that I encounter. Got it. But I'm not like a professional athlete or anything. Right, so didn't you poke holes the other day in the Peter T. Yeah, and we talked a little extreme, but okay, here's a deal. You like, you said something that I like. You want to be ready for whatever, right? So you kinda wanna be fit overall.

You're noticing that you're losing some stamina because you're not focusing on it. That's totally normal. And you don't wanna lose your gains or do too much to the point where you start to lose muscle and strength. Your best bet is, you know, sprints or sprint type activities. So you could do like high intensity interval training style

workout, it's a couple days a week, we'll do a good job of maintaining a decent VO2 max, but it's more like resistance training than long distance steady state type cardio type training. So sprints are really good on a bike or on yeah on on hills or running intervals with a jump rope where you're doing lots of speed or intervals on a rower. These are short bouts. The total session would be 20 minutes maybe or 30 minutes at the most with these bouts of you know maximal exertion for 30 seconds and then you slow down, wait for your heart rate, you drop back down and then repeat it.

And that's, this is a great way to build stamina in a way that is more muscle-friendly than, you know, doing, you know, an hour or more of kind of steady state type of training. I wanna point out too that increasing your VO2 max is something you could do pretty quick too though. So like a response real quick. Yeah, like in a week.

So you could literally improve it that fast. So there I see lots of different things that we can do here. We can take the advice that you're saying, Sal, or you can interrupt your strength training every four weeks or so with a week of, you know, really pushing on the cardio and trying to get the VO2 back up. I mean, there's nothing that says that. He's not going to lose all his muscle in one of, you know, really pushing on the cardio and trying to get the VO2 back up. I mean, there's nothing that says that. He's not going to lose all his muscle in one week, you know, so you're not going to, it's not going to, and it'll probably benefit you someone and your strength training.

So if you just want to, so I don't do anything, I'm not like this, hard up on my VO2 max, but this is, I'll run the mile and I am probably not as frequent as every month, but I like to get on there every couple months to make sure I can do it. And all I'm really trying to do is to say, hey, I want to be able to, if I need to turn it on for a mile, I can get after it and keep my mile time under, say, eight minutes. In case the coppers get you. Well, no, I mean, actually for the exact reason the's saying, like I agree, I want, you

know, I want to be able to still get up there and move and do those things. I think there's tremendous benefit as we age to still be able to do that stuff. And I just don't want to lose it. But I also care more about being stronger and building muscle and I tend to lean more that way. But then what I'll do is I'll just, you know, every month or two get on there and make sure that I can get that mild time under under eight minutes.

If I can't, then, you know, for a week or so, I'll train it, get after it, and get it back down. Yeah, I always consider this, too, just for athletic purposes and wanting to move quickly and to be able to maintain that ability. So that's something I'll cycle this back in and to South's point, doing a little bit more anaerobic type cardio, where I'm doing it in bursts because to me, it's always translated more to things that I'm more interested in doing and having those abilities to be more explosive.

I want to train that. It will help in terms of increasing that VO2 max, you'll get the benefit of that as well. You know, it's a great program, Daniel. I know you're doing maps in a ball, but have you tried Map Strong? I haven't yet. No, work sessions are amazing. Map Strong is incredible.

The work sessions are focused on improving your work capacity and there's carries and sleds and you're doing the Amrap session. I mean, it'll definitely gets your heart rate up. I loved that program. And remember, consider, when we wrote the program with Robert Obers, he said, there's a, there's somewhat of a stamina component

in high level strong man competition. And he says, you know, if you go in there, and you're super strong like a power, or if you get your ass kicked, if you don't have some athleticism and some stamina. Map strong, this work sessions are incredible, and they're along the lines of kind of what I'm recommending, except they're structured and they're

programmed. So if you don't have that program, we'll send it to you. If you do, try it out. I think you'll really like it. What I love about it is just people don't really consider that. This is such usable endurance and usable cardiovascular effort. When you're carrying things, you have that kind of stamina you need for everyday activities. It definitely has this massive carryover for everything else just functionally throughout the day.

Yeah, that would be, I've got anabolic and performance and aesthetics. I'm strong, it's like the only one I don't have. But you got it now. We'll send it over to you. Thank you guys so much. No problem, thanks for calling Daniel. Yeah, I like, I mean, okay, so when it comes to training, of course, or specific skills you can train for,

and then there's specific, I guess, aesthetic goals and longevity goals. And when it comes to, like, Justin was saying, like usable stamina, the explosive, kind of higher intensity stamina, tends to be more usable in everyday life when you really need it. Aside from being able to walk, right?

So if you can walk good distances, that's probably pretty usable. The sled, heavy carries, sprints, have always given me a tremendous amount of return. And they've really never, I mean, you can overdo anything, right? But they've never taken away from my strength

or muscle gains. In fact, oftentimes they actually contribute to the strength of muscle gains simultaneously while I'm building stamina in those things. Yeah, and just in terms of doing cardio and going long distances, like there's a lot less Opportunity for that. Now I know a people like their days are just crammed with a million different

Activities and work related items and so to be able to kind of be efficient with that But also have a lot of like cardiovascular carryover doing work sessions to me makes the most sense I'd be really curious to see Some studies or research around you you know, if you actually just ran a mile every day before your workout and you just less than eight minutes, and you just keep that mile time low. So you know, you can do it and maybe and obviously improve on it if you're doing it every single day.

That's not going to hinder you building much muscle. I mean, eight minutes are last. Especially when you get to the point where you're really your condition, right? Your condition and you can, you can run that mile. It's just more health focus. Yeah. And I think that's his main, that's what I got from this. Right. So he, he listened to Peter Tia and him talk about all the research around, you know, having, having improved VO2 max.

Hey, run a mile every day, run a mile every day before your training, well, your training and keep that mile time down. And I'm sure that you're going to, your VO2 every day. Run a mile every day before your training and keep that mile time down. And I'm sure that your VO2 max will be in a very good place for overall longevity. It'll probably carry over into your training and support that. It'll only make you better at your workouts. Yeah. You know, other things that are overlooked are like complexes, three exercises put together. They used to call these giant sets and bodybuilding, but, or even one, like, you do barbell squats at a relatively high intensity for 20 reps

with a 45 second rest in between sets. It will be hard. It's going to be screaming. Oh yeah, you do five sets of that and you're done, right? And you're going to get a lot of work capacity, or you string together three exercises that are somewhat difficult, of course, maintain good form, you're going to get a decent amount of stamina. Now you're not going to get that long endurance type of stamina, which, you know, if that's your goal and you want to train that way, but in terms of the health effects, you don't

need, you can do those kind of shorter bursts of anaerobic activity and get quite a bit. Our next caller is Tony from Georgia. Tony, what's happening? How can we help you? I'm doing pretty good so. Just a quick background. I'm 48. I lost about 120 pounds over the last two years roughly. Wow. I started with doing a keto diet in a minute fasting. And then about six months after that I started the body for life program. For about six months. The next six months I did a lot of running. And then I went in and got a dexascan and saw that my metabolic

rate, my base metabolic rate was like 1400 calories a day base. And I just realized I needed to start adding muscle other types of things to my body. So, and so I started the five by five program, probably six months or so ago, and that worked really well. I was able to put 10 pounds of muscle on and lose five pounds of fat over the last six months or so.

But I'm just wondering how long does it take to rebuild your base metabolic rate back to something reasonable? I've heard the podcast you recently did. I'm like 100 people had had to help them lose 100 pounds. And I know I did it all wrong. And I'm trying to get it right now. So I'm just wearing what that rebuilding process looks like and the amount of time it takes.

Yeah, that's a good question. All right, so little recap, right? You lost 120 pounds, which is a significant amount of body fat. So first off, congratulations, that's no easy feat. And then, I don't know if you said this part, but I see it in the written question that you sent, that now you've got your metabolic rate up to 1600 calories. So you've rose it by about 200 calories. Is that correct? Yeah, between May and October,

moved from 14 to 16. Okay, so let me put that into perspective for you. Yeah, let me put that in perspective for you. Cause I know this is a, it seems like a long process. You've been at this now for a while since the beginning of your weight loss journey. But to put that in perspective, 200 calories is a good, I don't know, 45 minutes to an hour of cardio every single day. So essentially what you've done from May to October is gotten your body to burn the equivalent of about 45

to a minute to 60 minutes of cardio every single day. So I know it doesn't sound like much because it's 200 calories, but that's a great, that's a nice jump, 200 calories on its own, right? You're not doing anything extra. It's just burning those extra calories. So you're on the right track. Now, how long is this gonna take?

Boy, that's a tough question asked, but I do want you to understand this that, and there's some theories that surround this that maybe the central nervous system has a memory of A person in in terms of how many calories they were burning before or what what they had to do to lose weight and Where they were for a long period of time and so it may take a little while But you're gonna be trending up that entire time. So it may take a year or two years or three years, even I doubt, but even to get to the point where you're like, man, my metabolism is is roaring. And I feel

good and everything's, you know, where I want it to be. But consider how long you were in the other state. And what you might have done, you said you did a lot of things wrong, what you did to lose that weight in the first place. But here's the good news. Three years from now is going to be here anyway. So you could either be three years from now with a metabolism that's burning in a 2,500 calories, or you could be where you were before or have progressed nowhere at all. So the good news is it's going to trend. It's going to continue to slowly trend in that direction. The bad news, it might take a while, but once you're there, man, it's so much easier to maintain. So stay the course, okay?

Stay the course. Allow your body to get comfortable with what's going on to put its guard down, if you will, to speed up its metabolism, because remember your body, your body doesn't necessarily want a faster metabolism because it's always ready for the next famine or the next time that you're going to consume few calories and over work yourself or whatever. So give yourself a little bit of time and in my advice is to enjoy this process because

if you're counting the days, it's going to feel so much longer than it's actually going to be. There's a couple of things I want to address and ask. So first question I have for you, Tony, is, if I had a client that hired me right now after they accomplished what they did at your age, that much weight loss, the thing, I would ask you to get your blood work done.

It'd be curious to see where your hormone levels are. Have you done that any time recently? I started actually with a functional medicine doctor. I don't recall actually, and it was under the guidance for the first six months of that doctor. I thought it was going to be an important thing to do for any number of reasons. However, I don't ever recall having my hormones included in those panels of tests. So that would be one thing that I would love for you to do is I would say, hey, go get your blood work.

And if you don't know this, we have a free form that we now have called M or Mind Pump hormones. It's on Facebook. We have two doctors that are in there that are constantly answering questions. They go on twice a month live and answer all your questions. It's absolutely for free. It's something that we're providing for our audience. So I would recommend you go in there and poke around, ask questions, also get a good blood work done and then maybe present that to them and see what they have to say.

So I would look into that. And then the other thing that I would dive into a little bit is your programming. So I see you do a five by five, kind of a what you call, bro split trainer, some of the way a trainer or somebody gave to you. How long have you been running that routine for? If I look back the last six months, which is really the six months where I've done weight training before that,

I wouldn't kind of just weight training it off. It's time to switch out of that and try something different. Yes, I put you in maps and a ball, like our mass performance right now. It's what I would do. It's time to change up your routine. That's a long time to be doing kind of the same thing.

And what's exciting is because you're on kind of a traditional brosplit, MAPS and a BOLIC is a lot different than that. And I think that will actually send a nice signal for your body to adapt and build some more muscle. So that alone with you, you know, probably reverse dieting and trying to increase calories over this time and get that metabolism, I think it will serve you really well. And then getting your blood work, I think those are a couple of things that I would first like to address.

I mean, it could be a whole host of different things that we can do to help you, but to Sal's original point, I would also tell you that, hey, we're doing good, man. You're on a good track right now. If we were trying to speed it up or make sure we don't hit a hard plateau, the two things that I would probably look at is the programming, making sure that I'm phasing you out every four weeks or so to the way you're training looks. So your body is consistently having to adapt to something new, that'll be a good signal for it. And then the other thing, I would just, you know,

get a deep dive from like a hormone therapist just to make sure your hormones are all balanced and we're doing well there. Those two things, I think, we'll keep you going pretty well. Yeah, of course, and you know, you listened to that episode, but I wanna recap some of the important points of it. You know, make sure your protein intake is high and don't be afraid to eat a little bit in a surplus.

I know it can be frustrating if you see the scale move up a little bit, especially from where you came from. But remember, the bigger picture, I think you have already very positive. You've already added 200 calories, like I said, when I painted the context, that's significant. That's the significant change in your metabolic rate. You can keep moving in that direction. You just got to trust the process and try not to allow those insecurities, which we all have, right?

But try not to allow your insecurities to drive you in the wrong direction, which is kind of what got you here in the first place. So high protein, slow increase in the calories, change the routine, we're gonna send you maps at a ball if you don't have it. I'd love to hear from you six months from now. I feel like if you do the right things in six months, we should be able to get your metabolic rate up

at least another couple hundred, probably more like four, five hundred more counts. Well get into that mind pump hormone form. We're in there active daily. So if you get in there and talk with us and talk to the doctors, we can all kind of keep an eye on you and track and give you any sort of feedback

that we possibly can on this journey. Super, thanks, I might appreciate it. No problem, man. Yeah, this process can take a little while. I had one lady I remember actually talked about her in the resistance training revolution, but it took us almost a year. Hers was different, right? She didn't lose a lot of weight, which she had damaged herself, quote unquote, damaged

herself through repetitive competitions, bikini and figure, and overtraining like crazy. But at the end of that year, it was so significant. And then, of course, later on, I would see this person and train with them and eventually become a trainer. A year later, two years later, three years later, she would tell me how, and it took me so long to convince her to move in this direction, but then when she did, obviously, everything worked out. I remember three years later, she'd come up to me and be like, it's so weird. I used to just eat anything off the menu before and gain a pound. She goes, now it's like I can't gain weight.

Like I just eat as much as I can and my metabolism roaring. It just takes a little bit of time. Well, and this is why the whole process of losing weight, we try and highlight like how we would direct that because it really makes a substantial difference in terms of like how long that takes, you know, and how long you've been depriving your body

of nutrients and building it, and focusing on building the body is a much better approach. But the good news is you can definitely get back to that place where you have adequate amount of calories, you feel good, energetic, and strong, and it just takes a little bit of time. I really hope he takes the advice and who gets his blood work done because.

Yeah, that could be a big, 48 year old client who was lost over 100 pounds through tons of movement and calorie restriction for an extended period of time. That's a prime recipe for... Absolutely, a wonderful. ...so there's a very good chance that he could have some lower levels of testosterone, maybe thyroid stuff going on. And if he hasn't had that checked out, that being said, he's, you know, seeing some positive things already, but it could be, he could be seeing even better results than what he's

already seeing potentially if the, if his hormone balance is off at all. So hopefully he takes the advice, Tony, you go get that blood work, take advantage of that free form that we have in the brilliant minds that we have in there helping people out and to take their advice because they obviously know a lot more than we do. Our next caller is Dustin out of Toronto, Canada. Dustin, what's up, Pat? How can we help you? Hey, all right, so I guess I'll start with just giving quick background.

So I'm about 5'10, 165 pounds. So I've been doing a map systetic on and off for the past year. And I do a lot of stationary biking and biking about five or six days a week. So over the past year I'd say I put on about five pounds of relatively, I guess, muscles for the most part. And now I'll go into the next year, excuse me, looking to kind of up it a bit more. I'm trying to put on a bit more weight,

so I'm eating about 3,200 calories a day, give or take, between that and 3,400. So just looking to kind of step it up next year or moving forward, and I'm kind of at a sticking point for the past couple of months, I'd say. So my weight pretty much stayed relatively around the same. So just wanting to add, hopefully about like, another 10 pounds of muscle and a year's time would be nice, give or take as well. So just kind of looking for some advice in terms of,

you know, should I change my program, eat more, maybe move less, just not really sure where to go. Yeah, it does. So two things that will probably make a more immediate change. One is, as amazing as MAPS aesthetic is. I know it's great. Switch out of that, Tannin. Yeah, it's time to switch to another program because you've been keep, you're doing the same thing over and over again. Not only that, but that's actually one of our highest volume programs

and because you're already doing so much biking, you don't need that, especially if your goal is to pack on some muscle, a lower volume program like Maps and Obolic would serve you better in the first place. So not to mention what Sal's saying that you've been doing it for an extended period of time so your body's pretty well adapted. Yeah, because that alone will the first place. So not to mention what Sal is saying that you've been doing it for an extended period of time so your body's pretty well adapted.

Yeah, because that alone will make a difference. And I think those calories you're eating will get, because if the signal to build muscle isn't there, then you can eat all the calories you want. It's not gonna happen. So you need to change the signal a little bit. So maps that a ball could be great. Even math for foreman's or split would be good.

But I think anabolic's probably a better switch. And then cut your biking down a little bit. You don't have to eliminate it, but you're doing it five days a week. I'd cut it down to two days a week. Those two things alone with your current calories will probably result in muscle gain. Now, if you want to throw calories on top of that, it'll happen a little faster.

But I think that's probably the most, for me, the most obvious changes you can make that will give you the biggest return. I mean, I think you make the decision-based stuff of what's all of them are true, what you're saying. Changing the program, increasing calories or reducing movement, and all of them should result in seeing a movement in the positive direction

you're trying to go, which is building muscle. You can do a lot of one of them or you can do a nice blend of all three, right? So you could actually, you could reduce biking by only one or two days, increase calories and switch program, and you would see great results. Or you can completely reduce biking and just switch over to MAP's metabolic and see huge results. Or you can significantly increase calories. It would really, my answer to you would have to do a lot, what do you prefer?

So if I felt like you were a client and you go, man, Adam, it's hard for me to even get 3,200 calories. Well, then me telling you, hey, let's move up to 4,000 calories is going to be a really tough feat. So then I might go the direction of, okay, well, let's change your program up and reduce your cardio that you're doing. Maybe you go to me like, okay, well, let's change your program up and reduce your cardio that you're doing. Maybe you go to me like Adam, I just love biking.

I don't wanna give it up at all. It's a passion of mine and I enjoy it, but I still also wanna build muscle. Then I say, okay, well, we gotta boost those calories up and switch your programming up. So you've got a lot of... I think that's for me. I like the biking, but I also wanna, yeah,

definitely like add some muscle mass as well. So I know I kinda wanna dip in several different things and I also want to kind of avoid the significant fat gain. So yeah. Yeah. Just a new stimulus. I mean, going into a different phase where I mean, have you ever done one to three reps and that was the focus of just pure strength driven exercise, you know, workouts

and that was like your entire goal was just to get strong and then rest. No, I've never done like significant rest periods. I think like the most I've done is maybe like 30 seconds, 45 seconds. Oh, wow. Yeah. So that news team is alone is watch how that impacts you and stay with it. And I think that it's just, it's mentally challenging for people to get out of their comfort zone with that. But, you know, trusting it and really like do it to the T. Yeah. What will send you maps in a ballicle?

Okay. Doesn't. All right. It resists. And like I want to just pile on to what Justin said because he's right. The hardest part for you is going to be, you know, telling somebody who's only rested 30 seconds to 45 seconds, maybe a minute at most, that I want you to sit and rest for three minutes.

Just seem like an eternity. Yeah, it's going to seem like this is silly, is the waste of my time. So I'm going to, we're going to try and stay ahead of this and in front of it for you and be like, rest those full three minutes. Give yourself adequate rest, way more than you ever have, and just in focus on every set you come back to, trying to be stronger and stronger in the bar. All right. Cool.

Oh, thanks for calling. Yeah, thanks. Love you guys, you guys are great. Thanks so much for everything. Thank you. Awesome. Love you too. I almost did that.

I almost did that too. Yeah, you know, what's funny about this is that, when you actually look at the amount of calories that your body needs when it wants to build another pound of muscle Yeah, it's not much. It really isn't so I know and especially since he's already eating so much a lot of times Like oh, it's thrombocalers if your body wants to build muscle So oftentimes you don't need to jump your calories that much at all or sometimes you don't you just build that extra muscle Well, that's that's why I made that point of like, he could do like a subtle tweak of all of them, right?

You could switch the programming, just barely reduce the amount of cardio you're doing, just barely, maybe drop a day or two on that, and maybe add a hundred calories and that could completely dramatically shift to like that combo. Right, and it's not really dramatic, he's not, I'm not saying you got to go way off the cycling because he loves doing it.

And all you're doing is switching the programming. And I'm not asking you to eat a tremendous amount more, just a hundred more calories. Probably a more successful approach because the abrupt turn all the time doesn't stick. Yeah, but that changing that signal, you know, it's in this particular case, I think it's gonna make the biggest difference.

Like lift differently. When your body wants to build, it tends to build. Our next caller is Caitlin from British Columbia. Caitlin, how's it going? How can we help you? Hi. Thank you so much for this opportunity. It's so cool to be able to ask you guys a question in live time. Before I get to my question, I just wanted to say thank you guys so much for the work that you do and the information that you share. I've been get to my question, I just wanted to say thank you guys so much for the work that you do and the information that you share. I've been listening to my pump for since I started weightlifting two and a half years ago and I have learned so much from you guys.

So thank you so much for what you do. Thank you, Brad. Thank you. Um, so my question is I listened to your podcast with Jordan shallow, um, the Science one. And I found that super fascinating. And I really like Schalo's approach. And so I've been thinking about taking his prescript level one course. But I wanted to hear from you guys, like your advice on if there's any other online programs that

would maybe like cover some of the same principles that Schalo does, that, you know, like the biomechanics and the anatomy and the programming and working with injuries that are like would be comparable. And for context, I'm not a certified trainer, but that's something that I'm thinking of maybe pursuing. And Jordan Shalow's course doesn't offer that certification yet. So I wanted to hear from you guys because I know you're always talking about, you know, like the

whole fitness industry will tell you this, but like this is what's actually true and why you should actually be doing. So yeah, I want to hear for you guys. Yeah, I do Franco CPS. Oh, that's a good one. All day long. I can't promote it enough. Only because there's a lot of certifications out there that are recommended as introductory like NSM or a lot of ACEs and things that will just at least be a national recognized certification. But CPPS, I think, of all the ones that I've sat through and gone through myself, breaks it down on the most applicable level.

So it gives you tools to then actually go and train a client and feel confident in that. Yeah, Caitlin, are you gonna be a trainer in a big box gym or online coach? Like what's your goal? No, it's the online. Okay, okay, so this makes a big difference because if you're gonna do,

if you want it to be a trainer in a big box jam Then you're gonna have to get a national certification But since you don't or you're not going to you don't so we can just recommend the ones that we think are the most valuable for online coaching NCI Exceptional exceptional certification for online coaches They also spend a lot of time teaching you how to build a business which other certifications don't do at all.

And if you're gonna be an online coach, you need to learn how to build your business online. Otherwise, you can wanna help as many people as you want. But if you can't build a business around it, well, then you're not gonna be able to do it. Jordan Shalow's prescript, excellent. Excellent certification. Joe DeFranco's CPS certification.

Another excellent certification. Those would be the three CPS certification, another excellent certification. Those would be the three that I would recommend off the top. I don't think national certification is a great investment if you don't need the national certification because I know CPS and Prescript will cover what you're gonna learn from NESM and then some. And then NCI is gonna help you with the nutrition coaching component

and the building your business component. And if you did like NCI and prescript or a combination of those, you're going to be in really, really good position to build yourself a nice online coaching business. Oh, I think those three are perfect. The order I would do them in, maybe I would go either CPPS first or NCI first.

Yeah, depending on your preference. Yeah, I think shallows to me would be kind of the pinnacle of those three, right? Super comprehensive. Yeah, his is, I mean, if you're more into the nerdy stuff, you're going to love his the most because I think he goes real deep and that he's absolutely brilliant. And that's why we partnered with him. So I definitely recommend that one for sure. You'll get more practical stuff, I think, from NCI and CPBS. I think those ones will, and probably the most general for training clients would be Joe DeFranco's, the CPBS, but probably the most applicable to training online clients would be NCI.

Yeah, they're going to really teach you how to build your business too. We have links for NCI and pre-scrhip, right? Places we can send her to? Yeah, so for pre-scrhip, it's mindpumpl1.com. You can go over there and sign up for NCI. We do have our weekly coaching that we're doing, so that's under minepump NCI.com. I believe we actually have a link for CPPS as well, I'll look for that.

Okay, yeah, so those would be the best ones. And then here's what else I think is gonna, and let me ask you this real quick, before I do what I'm about to do, I wanna make sure I make the right decision here, Caitlin. What made you want to be a trainer or a coach? Well, I have some people that I'm like, I'm officially helping right now because I have a home gym and they, there's things that come up that I feel like not equipped to help

him with and I really want to be able to help them in like a Safe way to get stronger and not have injuries. They're keeping them from doing things in life So that's that's the big that's the biggest reason why okay, and what has fitness done for you like obviously you you work out and you found a Passion for it like why why do you want to make this as a career from that standpoint? to passion for it, like why do you want to make this a career from that standpoint? Because I've really seen its importance and the value and how it's really allowed me to do things in life way better. And without injuries or back pain, that's really common. And it's helped my mind and it's helped in a lot of areas. And then there's a lot of spiritual lessons too in it.

I find that I can learn. And so, and then when I see other people that are maybe hindered because they've got injuries or because they're not fit, and I just want to be able to help them be able to not be hindered like that. Okay. Well, you know, our favorite people in the world are coaches and trainers. So I mean, we've made, that's not a secret. We know the kind of work that you do and the impact that you make on people's lives, far more impactful than what we do on the show.

We reach a lot of people, but we're not making the impact that good coaches are. And so anytime I get the opportunity, I want to equip a potential trainer of coach with as much information and good stuff as possible that really help you do a good job. So here's what I'm going to do, okay, because we also have things that can help you out. And we have really good workout programs. We've got a lot of experience you can learn from our workout programs. So here's what I'm going to give you, Caitlin, if you promise to pursue this as a career and really do a good job as a coach or trainer. I'm going to send you our maps and a ballic, maps performance, maps aesthetic bundle, that's the RGB bundle. Those three cornerstone routines will

show you some good general workout programming. And then I'm also going to send you the prime bundle because maps prime and maps prime pro are Probably the two most valuable programs that we have for trainers and coaches. They're going to teach you applicable Correctional exercise which is going to bring tremendous value to your potential clients So we're going to send all of that over to you, but I want you to pay it forward I want you to pursue this and do a damn good job, okay? I want you to go change some lives. Okay, wow, thank you so much.

No problem, Caitlin. Thanks for calling. Okay, bye. I love hearing that. And I just give away a bunch of stuff. I'm just kidding. It's almost Christmas. I love it because, and she's young, she's 21,

and look, here's the truth. The truth is, it's a hard job. I don't mean a hard job, like it's hard to help people. That's hard too. It's hard to make a career. It's not an easy job to make it. Maybe it started for sure. It's just, you know.

Yeah, but here's the deal though. Show me somebody who has all those programs, listen to this show, has those three certifications. All their odds of showing. And I'll show you a fucking damn good trainer. Yeah, you show me someone who has all those certifications, listens to our show consistently, has our programs as blueprints, and you gotta be pretty bad actually not to be successful.

I mean, those are, I think some of the best certifications out there, you're listening to us on the show to help you apply it to your clients and learn from all the mistakes we made in two decades. And then you actually have blueprints on how to create programs right in front of you. And she doesn't sound like she's quiet and shy. So like she got enough personality to talk to someone. She could be very successful. What I love about it, it's all complimentary. You know, even those other certifications we mentioned, like each one of them fills a need.

And if you really, if she does her due diligence and does, you know, in fact, like sign up and for those certifications, she's gonna set herself way above the rest. Yeah, I mean, think back to when we all first started. I mean, what a difference would it have made? Had you had those resources? Had you had the podcasts, like we have for these trainers

and coaches, and had you had these programs available. I mean, I was full of piss and vinegar, and you couldn't have stopped me with a gun. I was gonna do it anyway, but it took me a long time to get good. I sucked for a long time, because I didn't have access to these types of resources. So I figured out. I mean, that's a, that's quite a bit of an investment

to do all of those, right? But I'll tell you right now, that investment right there, I would take a trainer with those three certifications, those programs, that experience listened to us with a all day over a PhD in our field. That's how, that's how powerful that, so if you're listening and you're a potential coach or you're just getting into the space and it's way cheaper than a PhD. Oh, yeah, wait. I mean, you're talking about the total investment for a few of our all of our programs plus those three

certificates, you're still under five grand. Yeah, you know, it's a write off. Anyway, when you build your business, and you don't need to do it all in one shot, you chip away at it, right? So, but you if you can accumulate all that over the next year or two or so, watch out. I guarantee the success that you'll have as a trainer is far greater than somebody who just went through, you know, six years of schooling in our field. That the app school knowledge that you'll get from all that. That's the key right there. Yes. Absolutely. Look, if you like our information, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost all of your fitness goals. You can also find all of us on Instagram.

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