Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1723: The Best Time to Take Creatine, Ways to Build the Calves Even With Poor Genetics, the Future of Mind Pump & More

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. So, today's episode, we answered four fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episode is with an intro portion. This is where we talk about scientific studies,

Starting point is 00:00:27 or we mention our sponsors, we talk about our lives. Cool stuff. Today's intro was 52 minutes long. Here's what we're down to today's show. I opened up by talking about Brown Fat. This is the fat that burns body fat. There is one way to increase the amount of brown fat you have. Sleep in a cool bed, which led us to talking about

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Starting point is 00:01:18 to get to this point. Then we talked about plastic surgery for dogs, which is weird. Then we talked about myostent, it's role in muscle building, then we mentioned Disney, NFTs, streaming services and movies, had some good conversations there. Then we talked about some business news around another one of our sponsors, Public Goods. They increased their sales by 200% last year. This is a company that delivers home goods to your door.

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Starting point is 00:03:11 want to get the flagship program to see what it's all about. Maps and Obolic by itself is 50% off. You can get that with the code January 50, January 5, 0, no space for that discount. And that can be found at maps fitness products calm Sleep in a cool bed and burn more body fat. All right, let's talk about this Well, that's it. I mean I've been doing it right the whole time you have that's a great commercial for chili Oh, yeah, that's a good point. No, there's okay. So are you guys familiar with brown fat and white fat? Yeah, I've heard I've heard some podcasts. I thought that's been debunk like the difference of that like the whole you know No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nounked, like the difference of that, like the whole, you know, brown fat. Dr. Ronda Katcher talks about it a lot.

Starting point is 00:03:48 Oh, really? Yeah, no. So brown fat is used to warm up the body. It's more thermogenic and studies show that people and animals with more brown fat as a percentage of the overall body fat tend to be leaner. So it's like the, I guess for lack of a better term, the fat burning fat.

Starting point is 00:04:06 Now here's the cool thing, right? So you can convert the, you know, the white fat. That's what I thought was debunk. That's true. You actually, oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, so there's like plasticity with your fat. So some of your white fat can convert to brown fat, which then becomes more thermogenically active

Starting point is 00:04:23 and healthier and makes it easier to get leaner. Are you saying one of the ways to do that is by sleeping in a cooler bed can actually convert some of the white fat to brown fat? Yes. There's a few interesting things. Sleeping in a cool bed first off significantly reduces sleep apnea. People with mild sleep apnea, just cooling the bed down or cooling the

Starting point is 00:04:45 room down, that'll help. So it's good for your health there. Increases REM sleep. And also sleeping in a cool bed or cool room creates more of this conversion of white fat to brown fat. So the theory would be that that would help you become leaner. More brown fats better. Now that's interesting because I think that I would have thought that the benefits of that come from your body trying to regulate its temperature, therefore it's got to work harder to raise your temperature, right? Well, that's... If I sleep it, because I sleep at like 55 degrees in my chili.

Starting point is 00:05:15 So I imagine that my body through the night is trying to keep me warm, and so it's having to work more than it normally would in turn, i.e. burning more calories. Yes, so that's where I would think the benefit comes from. Well, that's the fat burning benefit. So you get all the sleep improvement benefits was my point, right? So a cool bed significantly improves sleep quality

Starting point is 00:05:35 across the board. And we know, it's a matter of fact that sleeping better, you are leaner, you're healthier, you build more muscle, better hormone profiles, or to put differently, getting suboptimal sleep causes you to store more body fat, you don't build as much muscle, hormone profile is not as good.

Starting point is 00:05:52 So there's that, but if we remove that, just forget that for a second, what you're saying is absolutely true. So there's a study that they did called the, where they actually studied how brown fat is converted or how we end up developing more brown fat from sleeping in a cooler bed. It's not just eating chocolate ice cream. No, it's not eating chocolate ice cream.

Starting point is 00:06:11 So they did this with people and they found that the cold beds or cool beds stimulated this kind of brown fat build up or conversion, which is really interesting. So it's really cool. So they said, I wonder if there's a connection then to people that have like live in like colder states that they have more brown fat than other people than live in like areas like Florida or California. That's a good question.

Starting point is 00:06:34 Now, now the good point around that is it's not gonna offset like, you know, we're talking about like small difference here, right? We're not talking about like crazy amount. Like a workout is gonna burn a lot more. Yeah, like about like small difference here, right? We're not talking about like crazy amount like a workout is going to burn a lot more. Yeah. Like if you live in Miami, you're probably more self conscious about looking good. That's a bit of motivation. I show in your body, you know, your clothes on. Yeah. So there, you know, but besides that, you sleep every night and you do it for your entire life. And it's, it's a significant portion of your life. I don't know what the

Starting point is 00:07:06 number is, but it's a huge chunk of your life is spent sleeping. So if you could every single night for the next however long, sleep in a cool bed, could this be significant over long periods of time? I think so. Just because of the amount of exposure and how often you go to sleep and how long you sleep. So it's a pretty big deal. Now, I personally noticed a couple of effects from using the chili pad or the, you know, their devices, the uler. In fact, that's the one I use.

Starting point is 00:07:37 So if people don't know, it's a pad you put over your mattress and you put your sheets over it. And it uses water to heat or cool the bed. There's no EMFs, so there's no, it's not the part of the device where you plug it and everything is not on the bed that you're sleeping on. So low EMF, it's water, cool, water warmed. What I noticed when I made the bed cool is yes, I slept better. Also no less inflammation.

Starting point is 00:08:02 I woke up less stiff, more energy throughout the day. Now, as far as a fat loss affects, I, you know, because I control my diet and exercise so much that I noticed that, but these studies are really fascinating because this is another benefit of doing this, and it's the most effective way of cooling your bed because some people can cool the room, but they, I don't know about you guys, but I generate so much heat sometimes. It's like, I'll end up doing this thing where I sheets off, then I get cold sheets on, then I'm hot,

Starting point is 00:08:31 and she's, but with the chili pad, it's, if you set it, let's say at 60 degrees, it'll keep it at 60. So it's not like it's just cold. If you start to go, you know, it's the biggest benefit I know is, because you know, I do sleep hot, but also I'll wake up.

Starting point is 00:08:47 I'm more prone to getting up and then having to go to the bathroom or, you know, rolling over and I'll kind of wake up and look around when I'm hot, when I'm sleeping versus like, when it's cool and then the temperature is that nice, cool, even distributed cool. Like, it's the deepest sleep I can get. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes perfect sense right. If we we evolved without

Starting point is 00:09:10 temperature controlled rooms it probably got cold at night so it makes sense that this is how I mean everybody knows you sleep better when when it's cold versus when it's hot. So it makes perfect sense and then the way that way that your body wakes up, there's a couple of things we do that are super unnatural. One is when we wake up, it's allowed alarm clock right off the gates. It's super loud. Then we get up and we switch the lights on, boom.

Starting point is 00:09:38 Like staring our phone. Yeah, that's not nature. Like you don't wake up with a super loud, unless something's scary happened. So you know what you could do with these new devices is they could slowly warm you up to get your body to naturally wake up. And then I combine it with an alarm clock

Starting point is 00:09:53 that slowly glows and steels. I still haven't got that. You guys all have that, huh? You have two, Doug? I have it, but I haven't really used it. Oh, it's so awesome. Oh, you have it, you don't use it. Programable is hard to read, at least the one I have, it's hard to read. Yeah, it's so awesome. Oh, you have a kind of programable. It's hard to read the most. At least the

Starting point is 00:10:05 one I have is hard to read. Yeah, they're not that hard to to just read the things super easy. Sal figured out that I know. No, it still needs me to come over program is this year. No, but it's like simulates the sun rising. It's a yeah, yeah. No, you guys are talking about it. I think it was a year or two ago. And I was like, oh, that sounds interesting. But I mean, I wake up pretty naturally in the morning. The only time I have to is if I set like my alarm

Starting point is 00:10:29 for like really early. Do you not send alarm, just wake up? Yeah, I just, for like what time we get here right now, like I'm up by that time, because max is up by that time. I need all the help, like all the aids, all the things to get me up. And so like you guys know me and the whole cup zero

Starting point is 00:10:44 and like everything involved with me, getting up is, you know, this whole process. So yeah, I have like that sun rising effect, I have the heating up effect, I have, you know, the first thing I do is just like, I have all my clothes already set head times when I have to like look for things because I just don't have it.

Starting point is 00:11:02 But I don't have it. So like getting my car started driving. You know what I hate to say this, but I I would bet money right now that all of us, except for maybe Doug have some of the sleep apnea. Damn it. That's something. I first of all I've shared rooms with all of you guys. Probably, but yeah. You guys snore like I can't even understand. But I'm a side sleeper. So it's somewhat, you know, like I'm sure it's a little bit better than on my back, but yes. You're not so bad.

Starting point is 00:11:27 You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad.

Starting point is 00:11:35 You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad.

Starting point is 00:11:43 You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. You're not so bad. like an allergy or I'm sick or like I'm exhausted. Like, you know, we did sit like that. I think that was your time by the trip where we went out and talked all day. And just like that, that tends to get me to snore like that. But I'm afraid to get tested because this is a stupid reason to be afraid to get tested

Starting point is 00:11:55 because sleep apnea increases risk of like heart disease, heart attack strokes, like terrible for you. But I'm afraid to get tested because I don't want to wear the, and now this is so dumb. I sound like sentient to you. The freaking nose thing that you with the tube. I do not want to turn into Darth Vader.

Starting point is 00:12:11 Also, when we had Dr. Rusio on, like the reason why I knew about the Diddry do is because of that fact, I just don't want to put on this mask. I would rather become like, you know, a hippie on the streets, like doing a didgeridoo in order to not wear a mask, so I could sleep better. Yeah, apparently the skill of playing that strengthens the muscles and the tongue and the throat and helps prevent sleep apnea. Yeah, it helps sort of like set it so it doesn't your tongue does not work. Are there other things besides the didgeridoo thing whatever that thing is like the Being leaves. Yeah, yeah, just yeah, remember that study I read a long time ago when people gain body fat They're tongues back to like just

Starting point is 00:12:53 Body fat though or just like mass too muscle mass in the I know when I was up to like 232 40 I was snoring and so I think that there's definitely a sweet spot for my weight Where my body wants to be. Awesome. Heavy breather now, apparently. It's Doug's always on me. Doug's always on me. I don't even realize I'm doing it. That's a lot.

Starting point is 00:13:15 Well, I mean, look, this is very interesting because, you know, those people who are into fitness and health focus heavily on exercise, nutrition, maybe hydration. In sleep, it tends to be a little bit on the back burner, mainly because you get away with suboptimal sleep, especially if you're fit and healthy, especially if you're young, and you drink a lot of caffeine, which a lot of people in fitness do. But the truth is sleep quality has such a profound, it's as profound of an effect on your health. So we're all the magic happens, really? It is as a diet and exercise.

Starting point is 00:13:51 And so if there's something you can do to increase the amount of thermogenic fat burning fat on your body, even if it's a couple percent, but you sleep every single night, and you do for the next, you know, however many years you're alive, just doing this thing, I feel could have a problem. Well, I think that's just like a nice little kicker.

Starting point is 00:14:09 I mean, I think focusing on your sleep is so impactful in your life in itself. Even if it didn't have any fabric effects, I think the value in getting a good sleep routine and trying to figure out how to get the best sleep you possibly can, it pays you back, 10 fold and everything else you do. Yeah, my cousin, so one of my cousins just had a baby

Starting point is 00:14:28 and he's now learning the sleep value. I think that's when you really learn how important sleep is. 100%. He just had a baby, right? So congratulations to my cousin Alex, beautiful baby girl, very healthy. And I'm texting him back and forth. So I've had, now my brother had a baby six months ago, my other cousin, now he's got the baby. So we all

Starting point is 00:14:48 these babies in the family. But I texted him. I'm like, Hey, how's it going, man? And he goes, he's all, I've only slept seven hours in the last 72 hours. He goes, is that like, what do you think about that? Like, welcome. Yeah. He's like, I feel, he's like, I feel like I'm in a bubble or a cloud. He goes, I'm losing my mind. I'm like, it's the dad club. He's like I feel he's like I feel like I'm in a bubble or a cloud He goes I'm losing my mind. I'm like it's only three days do you know? You got to figure this out probably you have like a year of this terrible sleep How do you know yeah, so he's kind of freaking out a little bit? Hey, have you did you listen to the recent all-in podcast where they did like the predictions for this year?

Starting point is 00:15:20 I thought that was I thought I want to do something like that I feel like they did something pretty cool that way. I didn't to it. I listened to the last one which is pretty good. I'm gonna get what the industries that they cover. I mean they do everything. They go they go politics stocks like they I mean they had probably had like eight or ten different categories that they they went across. They did round they will. I'll make up this is not. But it'd be fun to do one like fitness more. I'll make one on fitness and I'm just reading the chicken bones right now, the political chicken bones. So I'm throwing it around and you read the chicken.

Starting point is 00:15:50 You know, when they read the bones to tell you what you do. Okay. Anyway, so the politicians will often project what they're going to be doing with their policies or testing out the public. And right now, they're all the policies surrounding COVID. You notice that it's politically it's political murder at the moment to talk hard about more mandates, more lockdowns, more whatever. So they're kind of making this they're taking different turns. And what they're

Starting point is 00:16:19 talking about right now. So I predict that gyms are probably going to see some of the biggest turnouts that they've seen in a long time. Even pre-COVID. That's interesting because that would be like a full 180 since that was demonized early on. Totally. Well, did you see the CNN article that just came out? I mean, it's what the articles I've already seen about it with, you know, basically, with basically, they're making it... COVID's attacking fat cells. It's basically fat cells, yeah. Like it is a big part of that.

Starting point is 00:16:50 So losing weight has a massive benefit. So people in the health and fitness space have been saying this since day one, and nobody wanna listen. Kind of a no brainer, but it's like finally like, these publications are starting to put out the information. Yeah, so early data was showing like obesity

Starting point is 00:17:05 was a huge risk factor for severe symptoms. Of course, nobody wanna talk about that. Well, now we've got more studies showing that it's a big risk factor that COVID attacks fat. Now, politicians are saying things like, why are we closing gyms when losing weights, one of the best things you could do to protect yourself against COVID.

Starting point is 00:17:25 And CNN is now printing these studies and talking about these studies that maybe we need to lose weight in order to get through this. So now that it's becoming this narrative, and it looks like it's gonna become part of this narrative that they're gonna push to get people to work out more. Because of the fear, I think people are gonna flock to James, like never before. I don't know, that's interesting.

Starting point is 00:17:47 I wish I could see the numbers on how much it's rebounded since COVID already. Like I don't know. I've you guys been to a public gym in a while. I have not. And like, so based off of that theory, then do you also see Peloton and Tonal rebounding? Do you see?

Starting point is 00:18:02 Okay, so you don't see that. Because of James. I feel like people are done being at home. Yeah. They want to be out in the middle. Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's just my sense. And again, I think it's a very optimistic outlook on,

Starting point is 00:18:13 you know, if gyms are going to be popular again, but I hope that's the case. Yeah, so, and I, you know, when this first happened, I thought that the gyms would suffer some kind of permanent blows. And I still think that there's going to be some changes that aren't gonna go away, but that being said, all the lockdown stocks, Peloton, Zoom, they're crushed right now. They were crushed, they were doing great when everybody was stuck at home, but now they're plummeting, Peloton's not doing so well.

Starting point is 00:18:43 And really they're just coming back down to the real world Because they were like 10 15x Good point. Yeah, where they shouldn't have been right like well that none of the the numbers made sense really except for everybody Predicting that they were gonna be the future. So I feel like they're still not bad companies technically But they're just come back down to earth Yeah, no, no very good point But now again, we're hearing them say, like there was one congressman who said,

Starting point is 00:19:09 why are we shutting, we should not be shutting gyms down right now when being overweight is a huge risk factor. They're coming out saying, hey, lose weight, it's one of the best ways you can protect yourself. There was a study that showed that COVID uses fat cells. Oh, finally, I don't know. It's just like, I think that,

Starting point is 00:19:26 I think that combined with lockdown fatigue, people are over it, people are like, I need to get out and do something. And then you add that with the perfect storm of January. And I bet you, this was one of the most indulgent holiday seasons we've ever had. Because we went into this holiday season, already with the whole lockdown fatigue,

Starting point is 00:19:45 people probably are like stressed, but I'm gonna party hang out, I don't even care. And now it's January like normal, and they're like, I wanna get in shape, plus all this fear, I bet you we're gonna see huge numbers of people, you know, starting to work out. I wonder how many people took that statement from the White House that was like a very fear driven

Starting point is 00:20:04 seriously. Oh God. Because that was like a very fear driven seriously. Oh God. Because that was just so inflammatory. I couldn't believe that that was like the last push of fear I saw coming from the government. For the unvaccinated, expect a winter of destruction. It was almost exactly like that. Yeah, it was like some out of game of thrones

Starting point is 00:20:20 or something, you know? It was terrible. It was terrible. It was coming. So I wonder if also because we know what a tax fat sell, this would be, by the way, this wouldn't work very well. I don't think it works this way,

Starting point is 00:20:29 but I wonder if like people are gonna get liposuction because they're afraid. Oh my God. I wonder that. And that's to me, that's a better prediction. Because the idea that, I mean, people are always gonna take the easier path, because you're thinking that the people that are gonna come in, flocking to the gyms now

Starting point is 00:20:43 are the people that. I don't think they'll stick by the way. I don't think they're going to stick. I know you would be that crazy to say that. So, but I mean, I do see that people going like, wait a second, if that is going to increase my rate, I can suck it out of me for a day. Let me get a major surgery. That'll help my immunity.

Starting point is 00:20:57 I guarantee people are going to think about that. Did you guys know too though that they actually have like these procedures for dogs now that people are investing in? Yeah, like tummy tucks and like no. I am. Yes, I'm serious. No, I know they do. So my dog was a kid was a case for that like plastic surgery for his nasal canal. Well, they are new like his. Yeah, there's no real dropping of ears and like talking of tails and all that kind of stuff. But it's gotten to a point where it's like all cosmetic now. No way. I'm serious, dude. Get the fuck all that kind of stuff, but it's gotten to a point where it's like, I'll cause me to now. No way. I'm serious, dude.

Starting point is 00:21:26 Get the fuck outta here. Yeah, I'm gonna, I was like a few of these. There's the lip lift. What? The doggts? I lift. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:34 Oh, you got Doug, please give us some pictures here. This is, These poor dogs, dude. It's like, I can't believe that they have all these like, available. And again, I should believe that, because you know, they've also cloned like

Starting point is 00:21:46 dogs in order to try and if you've got dogs deceased or has some kind of disease, like I can now clone. Yeah, so it's like they have the same dog to replace the other dog and so it's like people are very, you know, I get I get it on some level, but also it's ridiculous. Like this rhinoplasty facelift, eye replacement, testicular implants, tail, I knew about testicular implants where they'll snip the balls and then some people want fake balls put in their dog. Which to me is it, like that's interestingly.

Starting point is 00:22:18 Why would you wanna look at those? It looks like sharp haze, is that it? What is that? Well that's a sharp pay, or is that a sharp pay? Where they lift up the face? Yeah, so you could see the dog could actually see. If it's like one of those functional things, we're at hand.

Starting point is 00:22:32 Well, so dog, that makes sense. So technically, the cropping of Mazze's tail is quote unquote cosmetic, but what made us do it was his tail corkscrewed over his butt, and so a lot of times when he'd poop, he'd get stuck in there and they'd get bacteria. And then he'd get these like, like the cyst and like, it was just constant.

Starting point is 00:22:49 Oh man. He was probably in pain. So the way we looked at it is like, okay, let's cut this tail down. So it no longer a problem. And we had, that wasn't like an insurance thing they pay for. It's like we had to pay out a pocket. It's considered cosmetic.

Starting point is 00:23:02 We did the same thing with this cherry eye. So I mean, if they're like that, like they're it's functional to help, but if you're talking about like lipids, it's quite good. This art is cool. Yeah, that's cool. You know, the kind of Hollywood, like,

Starting point is 00:23:14 Peris Hilton type, so that are just like, trying to make their dogs super pretty in Instagram worthy. Yeah, that's crazy. That's cause their dogs in accessory, that's why. Yeah, and exactly the ones, the same people that like push them in baby carts, and like totally, you think it's a baby,

Starting point is 00:23:29 oh, it's a dog. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Although a dog on myostatin inhibitors would be kind of cool. We ever seen those pictures? Yeah. Oh my god.

Starting point is 00:23:39 Yeah, the whip it. You imagine taking a muscular dog into it. Where are we with that science? We talked about that a while back, and that was like something that we speculated is like one of the emerging sciences. Yeah, they were gonna use that. Like have you read anything or resigning that?

Starting point is 00:23:51 No, I don't think it's, I mean, there's nothing, I don't think commercially available, but when that does become available, that's gonna be very strange. I think it'll make, it's gonna make anabolic steroids look like flinstone vitamins. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:03 I mean, serious. Yeah. If you see the studies on them, it's insane what anabolic steroids look like flinstone vitamins. Yeah. I mean, serious. Yeah. If you see the studies on them, it's insane what the amount of muscle at these things that myostatin can prevent from growing or make grow. It's like the super, super hero serum. There was a video I saw once of this little kid that everybody was speculating had a gene

Starting point is 00:24:22 that where the myostatin was kind of, but just naturally. And he was like I want to say three or four and He looked like a little mini like bodybuilder. It was weird. He was walking around like And I was like whoa that looks weird. Yeah, you imagine having a kid like that. Yeah, yeah Yeah, so you think that maybe like some kids could have like a genetic mutation that like, you know, has that kind of quality there he is. Is that the milestone kit? Oh, no, that's not real. That can't be real. It's not real. No, no, that one's not real, Doug. No way. There can't be a real harm to that. It's like a mini

Starting point is 00:24:58 That one right there. That looks that little. No, that's real. Yeah. I've seen that picture that kid. Why does he look like that? Hey, that's he looks like. Yeah, that's just right. It's right that picture that kid. Why does he look like that? Hey, that's, he looks like Jack. That's just great genetics right there dude. And I think they've done, I think I've seen videos of him actually working out and doing stuff too. Really? Yeah, I've seen that kid before. Yeah, genetic bro, pro bodybuilders. I bet you if they tested pro bodybuilders

Starting point is 00:25:17 for these myostatin, you know, markers or whatever, they find. So what I think is interesting is do you think that like, like for example, you having your son today versus you having your first boy, do you think because you've built all this muscle mass over these years that you've changed and altered some of his potential genetics?

Starting point is 00:25:37 Well, I had been working out. Did we read that about like epigenetics? Yeah, right. So you potentially can, so I always. So wherever currently you are. Yeah, like you. I think more that yes, I do. But I had worked out since I was 14, so I always. Wherever currently you are. Yeah, like, you. I think more than, yes, I do. But I had worked out since I was 14,

Starting point is 00:25:48 so all my kids were at that time. Yeah, I know, but the amount of muscle you have built, your body today versus your body when you were. Well, 25. It's pretty similar. Oh, really? Yeah, but here's the difference. My ex-wife was not into resistance.

Starting point is 00:26:02 Yeah, I know Jessica is awesome. My wife was, and I think that the bigger impact is the mom, while she's pregnant. Sure, yeah, I think that. So whatever the mom does when she's pregnant is sending a signal to the womb that says, this is the environment you're going to be born into. So it's more likely that it's gonna turn on certain genes

Starting point is 00:26:20 and the baby to say, hey, you're gonna be lifting heavy shit. That's what life is like when you're born. I 100% believe that. And so does Katrina. And that's one of the things I thought was so cool is to watch her take her pregnancy on her competitive D1 type of attitude. She's building it like.

Starting point is 00:26:36 Yeah, well, I would say she literally approached you. She'll, yeah, she approached that. Both of our kids, bro, don't have our little caption. Yeah, I know. You like that? Yes, it's so cross. Dude, Aralius has got like the longest calf bellies ever. approach that both of our kids bro don't have our little caption Relius has got like the longest calf bellies ever You know when when he when they did the ultrasound yeah to see they do they do what's that one where they check for You know defects or whatever and we don't want them to tell us the gender. Yeah, so we kept it a surprise So we told the guy don't let us know the gender

Starting point is 00:27:02 But he fucked up because when he was doing it, he goes, wow, he goes, this baby's got some sturdy legs, and I told, I looked at Jesse, I'm like, you wouldn't say that about a little girl. Because that's inappropriate to say, I said, I bet he's a boy, he was, he turned out to be a boy.

Starting point is 00:27:16 I knew it, he does, he's got these big old guys. This is a sturdy leg, lady's out there. That sounds like a very neutral statement, I feel like. If you said to a parent about a boy, you would say some of the, oh, you're baby stocky. You know, I feel like a little girl would be like,

Starting point is 00:27:29 excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be saying that about my daughter. Yeah, I'm stocky. Yeah. You said that about that. I want to go back to your predictions for this year

Starting point is 00:27:38 because now you got me thinking like, okay, so if you think that gyms are going to surge, like this is a big movement back in the fitness, you've got to think that there's are gonna surge, like there's this big movement back into fitness, you gotta think that there's gonna be some front runners or leaders. Like who do you think, what business is? Wow. Like, like, plan a fitness for example.

Starting point is 00:27:52 Obviously, pan fitness survived a lot of this, which is surprising, but yeah, I don't know, like which gyms gonna dominate? That's interesting question. That's a really good question because so many gyms shut down. And the ones that are left, now there's less gyms to serve. Or remember when we had Adam Settlerck on here talking

Starting point is 00:28:10 about USC and what they were doubling down. So I bet you, if you have a gym that's open and it's great, you have now less competition with a higher demand, you could very well. You're seeing this with restaurants too. It's the same kind of. That's a good portal. Is that happening with restaurants or now? Bro, have you gone that survived or are they searching? Have you gone well

Starting point is 00:28:29 I don't know what the next one. Yeah, exactly. It's just all like have you gone out to dinner recently? Not really actually. I don't think I can try to remember the last time We just we did the restaurant. Yeah, I'd like impossible for me to get reservations Yeah, really yeah, that has nothing to do with the that they're Spacing out or regulating different for me to get reservations. Yeah, so really. Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the, that they're spacing out or regulating different. No, well, too, like since, you know, the pandemic, like they've been able to push their outside business and expand like their seating.

Starting point is 00:28:55 So they actually, and I've talked to one of the restaurant owners who talked about, you know, their, their full outside and inside, they wouldn't before, they were just full inside. That's true, because I went to, I mean, we go out to dinner maybe a one day a week or two days a week and we were in Santana Ro, which all the restaurants there. There is no special seating,

Starting point is 00:29:12 they're letting everybody sit like they normally did and packed, packed, everything was packed like I'd never seen before. Interesting. I haven't heard anything from anybody positive about the restaurant industry. They were crippled. Oh yeah, the last industry. They were crippled. Oh, yeah, the last I heard So most got decimated. Yeah, but like the ones that survived and we're able to kind of like reinvent themselves or do take out and all that like

Starting point is 00:29:34 What about what about what was the place that we went to do our our Christmas party? Oh Nova. Yes. Yeah, remember what he said that they were like shut down They were crushing. They said when he opened he's like I'm booked out for weeks. Yeah, Remember what he said that they were like shut down. They were crushing. They said when you open He's like I'm booked out for weeks. Yeah, because maybe the demand is higher because people are like I want to go out So okay, so you have see you mentioned a planet fitness like what's left? I mean 24-hour fitness That's the thing they're dead Yeah, but they still have LA fitness. I mean don't don't I mean they'll they'll do better than what they're doing right now

Starting point is 00:30:03 But I don't even consider them a frontrunner anymore like I'm I'm more interested in planet fitness what you have See is doing yeah, you have see crunch kind of same difference right same owner or whatever So I'm kind of interested to see what they do especially UFC because UFC Was what they were only on like their year five or six? They don't got it's been long or that's not one more man. Yeah, like 10 years, when they have been out, God, it's been that long. Oh my God. How do you think, where's the theory's doing these days?

Starting point is 00:30:29 So actually, I would love to talk to Brendan about that. Now, they were, they were really hurt because they had, in fact, group, yeah, and in fact, I don't even know if they, the one here in Willough Glen, who drives by that most, I would think you would Lincoln. You go by Lincoln, they just started doing classes. And this one over here, yeah. The one in San Tent and Roche. But they were, they were Lincoln. They just started doing classes. And this one over here. Yeah. I don't want to stand down and roach.

Starting point is 00:30:46 But they were limited. They were only doing like 12 person, 12 people of class. So I don't know. That's all I've spread in how it's doing. I mean, he's always bullish and positive about it because that's a big owner in it, right? So, but it can give me an idea of like how it's doing.

Starting point is 00:31:00 I, last I've heard restaurants and places like that are still getting hit. Now obviously they're coming back a little bit because people are working the way back, but I wouldn't predict or say that it's, they're crushing. So that's an interesting. But I do feel like there's a fitness wave

Starting point is 00:31:17 that's coming because now, January, the fear, people are over it, they wanna get moving, let's start exercising. We're getting a healthy and protect our bodies and the natural way too. What's that say Doug? Yes, another industry set back, restaurants struggle with financial impact

Starting point is 00:31:33 from this spread of Omicron. I see it. I think they're hurt, yes. So yeah, I think there's still having challenges, but I agree with you, Sal. I've been out to restaurants and they are packed. Packed? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:44 That's what I've seen. I don't know for average. That's probably the case, but I bet you there's a few. I mean, that's also our experience too. We had that situation, but it was like we're out on New Year's day. You know, saying like, of course, it's going to be, that's packed all the time. Sure. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:31:58 But I've noticed that like the mall, because I've been going out, malls, like I said, restaurants, you're saying the same thing. Oh, so you're a super spreader guy? Huh? Super spreader guy? Yeah. Super spreader guy. Super spreader guy. Yeah. Super spreader guy. Dude, I made a joke that, dude, I made a joke that just like, it did not, it swam like a rock.

Starting point is 00:32:14 Yeah, you were a rock audience or like. Oh, bro. So I went in, I went in with my cousin. I bet there's a lot of this happening right now. You know that, right? Supposed to be over the holidays family together. It's like you drop a joke like that. Yeah, yeah. You didn't feel the? Suppose you were with the holidays family together, it's like you drop a joke like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:25 You didn't feel the crowd first. Oh, too soon. Yeah. No, no, we went into the store. And I'm like, oh, I forgot my mask. And I was like, ah, just what, you know, because you're in California, they still mandate whatever. So I went in, we were going to get something real fast.

Starting point is 00:32:36 So whatever. And I walked in. And one of the workers was like, hey, you need to have a mask. And I said, I can't. I have a medical condition that makes it hard to breathe of the mask on. He goes, what is it? And I said, COVID. And, I have a medical condition that makes it hard to breathe of the mask on. He goes, what is it? And I said, COVID.

Starting point is 00:32:46 And he looked at me. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Come on, that's funny. Dude, he looked at me like, you think? Like, I'm just kidding, dude. And I went outside going to this.

Starting point is 00:32:56 Oh. I thought it was going to be funny, dude. It didn't work. It's very good. It's almost as bad as that. That exercise joke I did on the priest that one. I told him, we both exercise people and he's like, what? Well, why were on the topic of businesses and predicting and what we've

Starting point is 00:33:13 surging like, I was actually doing an update on the streaming wars, right? We've been talking about that for over a year now. And man, I told you guys that I've been impressed with Disney. I mean, at one point I think people on the show were like, are you guys sponsored by Disney? You talk about Disney all the time. But, um, and the guys on all in predict that one of the guys predicted that it's, that's the like, like, pick of the year this year that Disney's going to surge. And that their stock is being kind of whatever, like stock is what it, but they, they, they got hit big time with the, excuse me, the theme parks being shut down.

Starting point is 00:33:45 But Disney Plus really helped carry that. Like if it wasn't for Disney Plus, I'm sure they would have been crippled. And so the fact that the stock kind of held held was because of this growth. And Disney Plus saw a 60% increase just this last year and subscribers. Yeah, they're up to here.

Starting point is 00:34:01 I'll give you the numbers. I was looking at it earlier. And I was like, I wonder if all the Star Wars nerds came back because they got boba. So that is why so that's ornuts the theory. The left for a bit. I mean, there was a lot of people that unsubscribed, you know, after some of the shenanigans after the Mandalorian where I forget her name Kira or or where she got fired. She got fired in for just ridiculous reasons. And so there was this backlash. But I think they recovered from that and

Starting point is 00:34:26 Peter Carano. Gina Carano, thank you. So I mean, I mean, I've been saying that like I don't think that Netflix will be the the winner of all this, right? Because I just think that their content is not as good as some of these other streaming services HBO Max, Disney. I think that they're they have their own flavor. Disney and they have their own flavor. They have all the batch. They're the 99 sit menu. That's why they'll be around. Right. Yeah. back cloths. They're the 99-sit menu.

Starting point is 00:34:45 That's why they'll be around. Right, yeah, I think they're kind of like that. But so listen, Disney Plus is now up to 118.1 million subscribers. What's the average cost per month? At $30. No, no, no, it's not all monthly. Yeah, between nine and 13. Yeah, do the math. 100 million people paying over 10 bucks a month.

Starting point is 00:35:08 118 million. Now Netflix has got 214. Netflix is the leader still. Netflix is the leader, but only at 214. So they're not that far ahead. Do you remember when they were pushing hard for internet? What was the regulation they were trying to push? Oh, net neutrality.

Starting point is 00:35:24 Net neutrality. Okay neutrality, yes. Okay, and do you remember what they said? If we don't pose this, the internet's gonna be, we're gonna get less variety. What are the, the, the, $1 is way better now. And we got way better streaming services now without that stupid net neutrality,

Starting point is 00:35:36 you know, let's let the government control the internet. Yeah. So there you go. Either one of you guys follow all the talk around like Web3 and what that's supposed to look like. And you guys don't get it. Well, isn't this all centered around the metaverse and then if he's all stuff is like being incorporated in web uh 3.0 or yeah kind of although I you know I thought it was interesting to hear

Starting point is 00:35:55 one of the guys takes on the on the all-in podcast saying that shitting all over the the metaverse you know oh yeah yeah yeah because basically and I know, I think that's true what he says is that it's he knows what everyone's all hyped about He's like is not revolutionary if you've been playing video games if you play minecraft and you're just trying to buy a real Stay in video game that and that's what he really made fun of It's hilarious. That's that we've already been doing this for a decade already and there's nothing really Yeah, show me some tangible business You know reason for it. I haven't seen it yet.

Starting point is 00:36:26 I mean, we're gonna see, so this is the year we will talk about predictions. This is the year I think we're gonna see some serious bubbles get burned. Okay, here's your first sign, ready? I'm on, I'm on with you. Okay. Here's a, here right here, this headline alone will tell you

Starting point is 00:36:37 that NFTs, not that they're going away, there's just gonna be a wash out, okay? Ready? Here's the headline. This 12 year old coder is set to earn over $400,000 after two months selling NFTs. Oh my god. There's your sign, everybody, right there. Like, you got a kid who's been to make almost half a million dollars in two months because of this hype and bubble around NFTs where a lot of people don't understand what's going on. I think, I think, and you know, there's going to be a lot of people that don't like this statement, but I think, I think 80% of the NFT shit

Starting point is 00:37:08 that you see out there is gonna burst. 20% will be left. I can't disagree with that. I'd say it's gonna be a big number. Only the cream will be left. And it's not gonna leave, but it's definitely. Big dogs are gonna stay. And that's what I think.

Starting point is 00:37:19 I think people get offended when you say something like that or they get butt hurt because they're over there gambling and buying a bunch of NFTs, but I'm not saying it's gonna go away. The technology is amazing. And I think it is the future of how we do things, but I don't think everything is going to NFT. I got an example that's kind of like that. Do you got, okay, so we're all old enough to remember when the internet kind of first became a big thing. Do you guys remember when people would buy and then sell domain names?

Starting point is 00:37:39 Yeah, it's very similar. It's very similar. It's very similar. It would dot com, and it would be very similar. It would be very similar. It would be very similar. It would be very similar. It would be very similar. first became a big thing. Do you guys remember when people would buy and then sell domain names? Yeah, yeah, it's very, it's very similar. Very similar.

Starting point is 00:37:49 It would dot com went crazy. I bought a 60% of the, that's the only 10. My name's so dumb to start was murder. 80% of the dot com companies took a shit, but there still was 20%. There were still a percentage of those that hung around and it's, you know what it is, it's same, it's basic business fundamentals. If you've got a good business model and it makes a ton of sense and it's gonna add value to people's lives, it will stick and it'll make it through it.

Starting point is 00:38:16 And I think that's why I think the, and when we are talking, right, so off air, we were talking about NFTs and, you know, would mind pump get involved in it? What would it look like? And the thing that we all agreed on is like, it would need to be attached to something extremely valuable. So that was the only way to end it.

Starting point is 00:38:30 It need to be scared. It was tangible. We would, yeah, it need to be something that someone's like, oh wow, I right now the value of that would, I would pay double. I still get access to this. Right. And that access isn't predicated on the metaverse. Yeah. It's like you have

Starting point is 00:38:46 access to real world, real world kind of stuff. A lot of these people are selling stuff predicated on the metaverse in hopes that it goes in this direction and you're thinking, Oh, I'm going to get earn early and I'm going to have this piece of real estate. You have no idea what that looks like. You just wait till they do NFT season tickets. You just wait. That's going to be insane. When you own a season ticket. Well, now, and that's a great example of one that I think already has a market. Correct. StubHub is a massive business that came out of nowhere

Starting point is 00:39:10 and like 20 years ago or whatever it was and I remember when no one knew what it was and then it became this legal way for you to reskelt tickets basically. That's a massive market and ticket master same thing. Like, but this is going to disrupt that and take a piece of that part. Yeah, because the original people who issue the tickets

Starting point is 00:39:27 now can get a percentage every time it gets resolved. So now they're gonna love, okay, stub hub, sell them all you want, or whatever, I'm gonna get my 10% every time it's sold. So that's gonna be massive. Do you remember when we had the discussion about streaming services like four or five years ago and we were like theorizing what it's gonna to look like and is it going to be more channels

Starting point is 00:39:48 or less channels. This is a good example of what happens when you allow companies to compete. What we have now is so much variety and so many different streaming services that the challenge now is not. Do you want to hear all the main ones? I actually wrote them all down. Right, so you have Disney, Netflix, HBO Max, Amazon Prime, Prime Hulu Paramount and YouTube TV are the ones that I I tracked there You go. So you know all of them have like an infinite amount of content, which isn't saying yes

Starting point is 00:40:14 You have you have Disney at a hundred and eighteen million you have Netflix. These are subscribers You have Netflix at 214 HBO Max. That's my that's my dark horse I think that one's gonna come up and actually So I do too because they're releasing good Video yes, yes, and they're they're into that so they have Harry Potter. No Harry Potter. Spider-Man and the Oh, yeah, I did see that Harry Potter. Yeah another one. It's gonna be released on HBO Max and theaters So and then spider-man but they didn't do that at the same time. They did theaters first They did matrix on they did They did. By the way, Spider-Man 12th, Hulk, Grossing, Forever.

Starting point is 00:40:47 Which is crazy considering that a lot of great movie. Movie theaters have got like either shut down or. Can I tell you guys something? I hadn't gone on the movies in years. I'm a huge movie theater. I love movies and movie theaters. And I went in and I sat down and we watched Spider-Man great movie, great movie.

Starting point is 00:41:01 Yeah, we went to theaters watching too. But I tell you what dude, as I sat there, I thought to myself. I wish this was on HBO Max I think I would have enjoyed this at home. It's just the same. It is lost. It's a lot. It has a lot really Yeah, it lost it's a lot. Well, you're talking about you're completely different people here like Sal is such a homebody And doesn't need to like go out do stuff you and your wife can't even sit two days Yeah, exactly how we have it. We always are trying to find excuse to go out and do stuff. You and your wife can't even sit two days like the trucking house without having to get you're always trying to find excuse to get out of the house. So I guess, yeah, I'm like, do so.

Starting point is 00:41:30 I'm like, give me my couch and my surround sound and let me put my feet up and control the pause if I go to take a pee. Because I was sitting in there and I'm like, I mean, it's cool, but is this really, I swear to how much I spend three tickets, like 47 bucks when you had popcorns, I get it. It's dying, it's dying. I think it definitely takes some black eyes, but there'll still be people around them want like the theater experience.

Starting point is 00:41:51 I'm trying to think what it'll be like in, you know, a decade or two. Like it's more of a novelty at this point. For sure, like a popular destination, like you should be. They're gonna have to make it entertaining in different ways. Like there's that one theater that you get food. The bottom line is the only reason why it's still alive at all is because there still are movies that get released first and only on in theater.

Starting point is 00:42:12 If that was on streaming, it would completely die. Yep. It wouldn't have enough people like yourself. You still need places to take people on dates. That's right. There'd be one per fucking state then. No. Take a few house, a movie theater in the middle of California.

Starting point is 00:42:26 That's a better date, Justin. Yeah, I know, but like if you're a parent, you know, you don't want that. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Get out of here. I guess for teenagers, it's definitely something that would probably be,

Starting point is 00:42:37 I think as a teenage kid, I would like to go to the movie theater over sitting in my house and watching for that increase. I mean, I don't think it would be gone. Like, there will be a theater around, but not- I think it's gonna go the way of driving. I think there can exist. That's a good thing.

Starting point is 00:42:51 There you go. Like, it'll be like that. There's driving, you know? It still exists, but- Kind of disagree with you guys. I think that, you know, there's definitely, again, kind of- You're gonna be wrong. To Jim's, like, it's fine.

Starting point is 00:43:03 I think that there's a lot. And if you look at the box office numbers, I'd be interesting to see with spider-man. It broke records. I heard that people went to the theaters a lot more. No, it did. It was really anywhere else though, Justin. I know, but like more movie studios are gonna

Starting point is 00:43:18 are gonna bring it up. That's a fair point. It was very surprising. I was listening to the radio talking about it this morning. And they were just talking about how the fact that it broke records at a time like this when you would think most people are on the road. Yeah, I kind of blew everybody's mind,

Starting point is 00:43:30 but like, yeah, I don't know. I think that because we've been so confined, I feel like there's so much more appeal to good do things. Maybe. It's not a lot of that point. It's sick of being at home. So going, I want to finish my numbers here because I have another prediction still,

Starting point is 00:43:45 and it's circle, it closes the loop on what we talked about a long time ago with my prediction of them being like a streaming service that kind of gobbles up multiple, and I'll tell you what I think. So Amazon Prime has got 200 million, who will lose 43 million, Paramount 47 million, YouTube TV only, 4 million. So I think Amazon is primed to gobble up at least two or three of these sugars.

Starting point is 00:44:08 That makes sense. Because of how powerful that company is. They're always the sleeper and like, oh, right. And I just think that they probably put the least amount of effort into the content that they're creating. Oh, compared to the other big ones they suck. Yeah. And they just, they couple it with Amazon Prime, right?

Starting point is 00:44:21 So you get access to all the videos if you have that. So they've got a lot of value in that. So their base is already the size of Netflix as it is and continuing to grow. And they've got the money and capital and power to potentially pick up one or two of these things. So I still don't think that theory is dead that you might see this.

Starting point is 00:44:39 I will say this though. Have you guys noticed more and more of these streaming services pulling big box office actors to make their own content? Oh yeah, content. Well, that's what I just heard too, that like Leonardo DiCaprio and Scorsese came up with some TV series that are getting, you can't already be in. It's like all these big names and it's like a TV series. I don't know which platform they're really selling, but it is going on streaming.

Starting point is 00:45:04 So it's like, but it's advantageous for a lot of these big Hollywood actors now to do streaming. Well, the money is in there. It's just like what we're seeing in the disruption in boxing. Exactly. I mean, there's people that are, I mean, you have these celebrity no names that have no boxing skills able to put together a pay-per-view or make more than a professional fighter. And so it's completely disrupting that space.

Starting point is 00:45:23 And you'll see the same thing I think in the acting space. You have companies like Netflix. Last year, how many billions of dollars they were investing in content? Oh, I heard they have like, they're building out studios and everything around us here too. So like, most of Hollywood is like ghost town. And now everything's moving.

Starting point is 00:45:38 They're up here or like, I don't want a bunch of actors. I know, like, there's another location, I think. I forget where, but yeah, they've moved all their studios. Well, I mean, was that movie on Red Notice on Netflix? It was Ryan Reynolds, The Rock, and what's her name? Oh, that broke records for this. That broke records.

Starting point is 00:45:54 It was a good movie, too. It was actually a fun streaming, but yeah. It was a fun movie to watch. It was a fun movie to watch. It would be interesting to see where these streaming services are putting up their studios. I mean, why even put it in California at all? It would mean- No, yeah, they've moved out.

Starting point is 00:46:08 Yeah, a lot of them have. So expensive. I would love to know what cities. That would be- Albuquerque, New Mexico. Is that why there's one? Yeah, look them all up there. I mean, that's a smart real estate move right there.

Starting point is 00:46:17 Hey, so did you guys end up watching the new Matrix? Yeah, I didn't yet. Oh, yeah, I really liked it. I ended up going through the, you know, the previous three with the- So I feel like I'm a minority in this. I feel like- A lot of people don't like it, yeah, I really liked it. I ended up going through the, you know, the previous three. So I feel like I'm a minority in this. I feel like a lot of people don't like it, but I thought it was good. Yeah, I'm a huge matrix fan.

Starting point is 00:46:30 I'm not, I'm not like a massive matrix lover. I'm in fact, I don't even remember two and three. Like they were, they were unmemorable for me. And I think I watched them both one time, never cared to watch them. The first one I've seen several times. And just mainly for the concept, but yeah, the first one was obviously the best. And I felt like to me, this was the closest

Starting point is 00:46:47 to the first one as far as how much I liked it. You can't ever beat the first one because it was so new, right? And so unique. Well, that's really hard to do, too. On the fourth one, you know, to get it to be anything, to resemble the first one. That's okay, so that's why I liked it,

Starting point is 00:47:03 because I'm like, how are they gonna be hard to be? How are they gonna be able to bring this together? Yeah. And I thought that the concept was smart. The way that they put it together. I thought it, I thought so too. Yeah, so I'm gonna check it out. And then you guys like Spider-Man, that was great. Yep.

Starting point is 00:47:18 I haven't seen that. Toby McGuire, the best Spider-Man, by the way, I'm gonna make that say that right now. My kids and I got in the speech debate. Oh yeah. You don't like the new kid, I like the new kid. He's new, he's great. But Toby McG Toby requires the best one. I think it's that's How many of them are there? I think that's a fact. Is it like Batman? There's been like eight of them or something. How many of them?

Starting point is 00:47:32 There's been a quite a few. Let's see with Toby. I think there were two or three. Then there was out one kid What's his name? Dude the dark hair kid man, where he fought't know. Where he fought the lizard guy on a member's name. Garfield? Yeah, something Garfield. Yeah, something Gar, and then the new the new kid, and I can't remember his name either, my daughter keeps telling me she doesn't think he's cute, but I know it.

Starting point is 00:47:55 Who's the one that's on our space? He's the one. That's the one. What's his name? The new, what's the latest guy? I can't remember his name. Is it Tom? Is it Tom Holland?

Starting point is 00:48:04 Tom Holland, yeah. Is that him? That sounds right. Yeah, that's the latest guy? I can't remember his name. Is it Tom? Is it Tom Holland? Tom Holland, yeah. Is that him? That sounds right. Yeah, that's the kid. That's the new kid. Yeah, it's not an iPad. Well, you got a... It's not an iPad, right? Is that funny? Kids still have posters and everything in their rooms?

Starting point is 00:48:16 No, it's just screen savers and stuff on there. That's how it is. That's actually probably a good example of what that is today. So what a poster was for us as a kid is now screen savers for your phone or your computer. What did you guys Ireland turned into a screen saver now? You had Kathy Ireland in your room? Yeah, did you really?

Starting point is 00:48:32 Yeah. In that green outfit. Oh, yeah. I had the same one actually. Yeah, really? I think so, yeah. Wow. I definitely moved out to my room.

Starting point is 00:48:40 I had a room that was detached from the house by the door. You couldn't hear you making noise at night? Yeah, yeah. So I had all those posters hanging out, all the cars and girls. A lot of girls watching this. I had Arnold, keep it simple.

Starting point is 00:48:57 I had Arnold, Lufredo, from the house. And then I also had, That's my wonder about you. That's the case. All to it, we were all doing stuff in those rooms by ourselves Here You know let me finish I don't want you to be there. Oh there it is. That's that I remember that one

Starting point is 00:49:19 I studied that picture right there was a store in the mall when I was a kid I don't know if that's the one that I had. I had a whole thing to lead. For sure, she's hot. What was that store? There was a store where you remember where you used to get and at least where I grew up. Oh yeah, were you by posters?

Starting point is 00:49:35 Yeah, and you just flip through. Was it goodies? When am I saying it wrong? Or was that the place that sold to you? Not Spencer's, yeah, it's like something like that though. Something like Spencer's. But it was a different place. I don't think it exists anymore. That was I I mean whenever we had any extra money

Starting point is 00:49:48 I was like 399 a poster somewhere that you go down. I'm gonna bring about my kids. Yeah Yeah, it's put my Old Weird why isn't that popular is it not okay? I have you guys are the ones that have the kids that are old enough like your kids Have no posters on their walls none I mean they they kind of decorate with like plants and stuff, but it's not really? Yeah, no, it's like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:08 It's not like something. Yeah, it's weird. I know, it's weird. Yeah, why wouldn't they? I don't know. That's a good question. I have no idea. That's interesting.

Starting point is 00:50:16 Yeah, it is. Yeah, I don't know. I did want to bring up some more business use, Adam, for you, I know you liked this. But sure. You do two Justin, sorry. I didn't mean to. I did not include you. So the company that business thing. You do too, Justin, sorry. I didn't mean it. I didn't include you.

Starting point is 00:50:26 So the company that we work with, Public Goods, Forbes, did an article on them, which is kind of interesting. Did you guys know that their revenue has grown, ready for this? 200% from 2020 to 2021. Wow. Now, here's the other cool thing. I had to man.

Starting point is 00:50:43 Because you know they're like super, so Public Goods for people out now, they sell like home goods, they sell dog food, they sell all your soaps, your shampoos, super eco. Candles, everything. Yeah, eco-friendly, no disturbing chemicals to your body, great packaging, low, you know, the waste,

Starting point is 00:51:01 the real carbon smoker. You cut out the middle man, so you save money. Very inexpensive, like I think this is a very disrupting business model, but they've also, in that period of time, so they grew 200% in that same period of time, they've planted over 300 trees. So they've also done that. So I feel like this new model is a very,

Starting point is 00:51:21 it's a very interesting one to watch. It's like we are climate conscious, we're also conscious of the chemicals that you put on your body, but we're also a business that saves you money and is profitable. It's not like, you know, just because we're planting trees, now we have a shitty business model,

Starting point is 00:51:34 which is what you see a lot of these companies. It's interesting. The company, like we were talking to, what's our young buck that was in here the other day that we hadn't seen it for our inzo, was in here talking to us about. It's just called them a young buck. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:45 Yeah. Well, I was thinking about that generation. Like that's a, you know, that's like a thing that was, I'm not familiar with as a kid. Like if I was a young man, like getting ready to get a job somewhere, like when I was interviewing or looking into a company where it was like I was asking 24 of fitness, like, well, what are you doing to give back?

Starting point is 00:52:01 That's actually like Gen Z and Millennial kids. I know, right? That's a very common thing. I was talking to my back? That's actually like Gen Z and Millennial kids. I know, right? That's a very common thing. I was talking to my niece and she's the one that worked at Google, Facebook, and it's now at Stripe. And like one of her deciding factors, forget the fact that I think it's a brilliant move like because she has a lot of...

Starting point is 00:52:16 It's not altruistic. Is, yeah, they wanted to hear from the CEO, like what are you doing to impact the world like in a positive way? Like a lot of these kids that's a deciding factor for them to actually get it. Now I didn't want to burst her bubble and think that like, you know what, how much of this though is just what

Starting point is 00:52:33 these companies are presenting to everybody because they know that's what you're supposed to do. And they're getting ranked by that score now too. So it's like because they're getting, because they're getting ranked that way, how many CEOs just know that that's like a move that, okay, we gotta make sure that we build, we make sure there's a lot of that.

Starting point is 00:52:50 But at least the thought of going in that direction, I think it's positive. Oh right, I think it's a net positive from it because they're doing something. I do too, what's up, you got something? Well yeah, so you said 300 trees. Where's that? We're in a thousand.

Starting point is 00:53:02 Okay, yeah, that seemed like, 300 trees, that's not a big deal. 300,000, wow, I'm glad you caught that. Yeah, 300,000. I planted 300 trees. 300,000. Okay, yeah, that's. That was going to say. 300 trees, that was like, 300,000. 300,000. Wow, I'm glad you caught that. Yeah, 300,000. I planted 300 trees. Yeah. No, actually, their goal for this month is 100,000 trees.

Starting point is 00:53:13 Yeah, so sorry, 300,000 trees. Where are they planted? They planted them, you know? I'm just kidding. I mean, that kind of mad. No, I get split like you, Adam, because number one, I like the fact that market pressures are pushing companies to be more conscious about, you know, things that I think that are people

Starting point is 00:53:31 consider important, so I like that. Yeah. But then here's the other side of me. The other side of me is, if a company is creating a product or service that you like so much that you're willing to trade your dollars for, they've already done the service. That's all I feel.

Starting point is 00:53:44 So, so it's okay to choose, I have no problem with you choosing the company that you want to buy your products from based off of what you believe in. I think that's very smart. You're voting with your dollars. You have way more impact with your dollars than you do with your votes during elections. That's a fact for your voice on Instagram.

Starting point is 00:54:00 Or you're right. So I think that's amazing. However, I don't like this, like companies owe us, they owe us to do all these things because the reality is they've done already the good thing, which is they've given you something that you are willing to buy. Otherwise, you don't buy it, right? So I get split, you know, I get split on that. It's just like an added bonus if they're also conscious of you.

Starting point is 00:54:20 Well, that or even shaming somebody who's not currently doing that, right? Like if you're not doing something like that, like shaming that company for like, first you have to build the down thing and be successful before we can go out and do all this philanthropy work, right? So let us let us first build this and prove the model that we have we have room in this marketplace. And then make some money. Then we go out and go do some great stuff. Yeah, it's like getting mad at it. It's like it's like getting upset with a billion a company that produces billions of dollars in revenue and saying oh there, you know, whatever When they did they were so good at what they did that enough people gave them their money willingly to make them a billion dollars

Starting point is 00:54:56 Right they did that means they did something that a lot of people wanted right? That's pretty good. I think we should be like thanks We I appreciate that and if you don't like it don't buy from that. It's just interesting I mean that it's definitely different, right? When you listen to listening to Enzo or my niece talk about businesses and stuff. But if it's like that, I love it. That okay, you believe in that, then go in that direction.

Starting point is 00:55:15 I think that's great. But it's funny, if you ever get to a point where money's tight, then you start to change that a little bit because you know how many people I knew who became parents were like, I'm using reusable diapers because I don't want to have this problem. And I look at them like, we'll see how strong will you believe about that right after the first month.

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Starting point is 00:56:26 mind pump 10 mind pump one zero will give you 10% off your first purchase or your order. So go check them out. Here comes the rest of the show. First question is from b cape 25. Is it possible to build the calves or is it genetic? Oh good old cap. I'm going to go ahead and throw this to you guys. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:47 You know what, they've actually done studies on this. The hardest workers. First off, genetics have a huge influence on all muscles of your body in terms of how effectively or how well they build or respond to exercise. And it's not more or less for calves, right? That's the question. Is it, are calves special in the sense that they're More resistant to building or growing and no they've actually done studies on calves and found that that's not the case

Starting point is 00:57:14 Here's what's probably the case What's probably the case is it's Most likely that the calves are the most skipped body part that people have in their training and that's just the fact like most dudes that work out consistently, if somebody tracked how many times they skipped a body part, I bet you calves are number one, legs are probably number two, and core is probably number three. I would guess. And so when you do all those years of training,

Starting point is 00:57:41 if you trained your calves like you did your chest, or your shoulders, you probably would see similar. I think I could make a case that they are unique. And in the sense that I think of all the muscles that are challenging for someone to build, they're the ones that's most commonly that people do not take through full range of motion. That's another good, that's a good point.

Starting point is 00:58:02 And somebody like Ben Kovalki reps, right? Right. Ben Kovalki likes And somebody like big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, and ask yourself, unless you're playing basketball, jumping rope, or doing sports, how often do you get all the way up up on your toes like that? And I just think heels on the weekends. And I think that if you, for most of your life, you don't do that, and then you go in the gym and you go to train that, that you just don't have that full range of motion.

Starting point is 00:58:38 And just like what we say about squats, like you get so much more bang for your buck, taking the body through its full range of motion. So I would make the case that most people have a limited range of motion on their calves. People don't get the stretch. They don't get the squeeze. That's right. And part of that reason is because I think,

Starting point is 00:58:55 if you start training your calves, the potential to be able to use a lot of weight is really high. Like, oh, I could put so much weight on the standing calf machine. But then they start to cut the rep short. And, I could put so much weight on the standing calf machine, but then they start to cut the rep short. And when I see people working out calves in the gyms,

Starting point is 00:59:09 I almost never see full stretch, full squeeze. It usually looks like this kind of short, kind of pumping motion. Now, of course genetics play a role, but again, they play a role in all your muscles. I don't think there's a special, actually, again, studies actually confirm this. There is no special, you no special reason or case for calves

Starting point is 00:59:27 being somehow more stubborn than other body parts, speaking generally. Now, what kind of genetics influence your calf growth? Well, there's muscle fiber type and density. There's also muscle belly length. This is a big one. What you'll notice is a lot of athletes have shorter calves and partially because shorter calves probably helps with locomotion and

Starting point is 00:59:50 agility. Longer calves, you'll see in sports that involve more sturdy bases. So you'll find these in strong man athletes and weight lifters and stuff like that. Long calf bellies, you have bigger area to grow. So, if you have short calves, you could build them all you want, you end up getting it ending up with this short kind of naughty looking calf muscle. Well, I also think like a lot of the explosive movement, plays a factor in that with some of these athletic endeavors

Starting point is 01:00:18 where you are on the forefoot a bit and you're moving very explosively, just like in sprinting, you see the difference between those muscle physique versus more of an endurance athlete. But yeah, I think about that because it is definitely a genetic factor, but also to what you're doing in volume. So if I'm, when I was training all the time in athletics, I was always trying to make sure

Starting point is 01:00:46 that I was on the balls of my feet and was able to move laterally and forward and back with explosive type of force. Yeah, yeah. Again, if you look at people's routines, you'll see like 15 sets for back for the week and 12 sets for biceps for the week and you look at calves and it's like three.

Starting point is 01:01:08 Yeah, or six or it's the one that they skipped. And then I don't treat it like it's actually true. I look just the calf. I'm totally guilty of this, 100%. And there was a period of time where I actually placed a very, like this was a realization that I had or at least I was being honest with myself

Starting point is 01:01:21 and I said you know what, I'm gonna be super consistent. I'm gonna ramp up the volume. I'm gonna focus on the stretch, focus on the squeeze, I'm gonna do lower reps, and higher reps, and different angles. And it was like a good year and a half of really consistent calf training, and I gained like an inch and a half on my calves. And I thought, oh, my calves don't respond.

Starting point is 01:01:41 I mean, the truth is I just don't focus on them as well. You know, the best hack I ever had for that, there was, and I think it was about a year and a half, almost two years, it was during when I was competing. I decided, because that was an area of insecurity for me as my calves, so I decided I was going to work out in shorts year-round, even until overtime. So I had to face that insecurity,

Starting point is 01:02:00 and it also would motivate me to do calves first in my workout. So it's like, okay, if I can get in the door and get to that calf machine right away, I get them pumped up so they don't look so bad. But it made a huge difference in my calf size because and it really had nothing to do with the hat that I found that it was that I was training my calves first

Starting point is 01:02:21 at almost every workout they were getting attention. And just I'd never paid that much attention to them before. And so I saw the greatest gains in that time period and realized like, okay, I don't have just terrible calves. Just I haven't put the effort into training them. And then doing things like really taking them through full range of motion and slowing the repetition down.

Starting point is 01:02:39 Also I never back then, but before then, I always trained like higher reps, similar to like what people do with abs. I was not training, I was back then, but before then, I always trained like higher reps, similar to what people do with abs. I was not training my calves. I wasn't doing five. I put in the substantial load on them. Yeah, I actually started doing five by five, loaded like seated and standing calf raises

Starting point is 01:02:55 and the combination of full range of motion, doing the heavy load and then prioritizing them in the front of my workout. In a year's time, I made some pretty good gains on my calves. Better than I was making any other muscle groups. I think that's probably a lot of it for most people as they just don't give it the same attention. You know, a machine, two things gave me the biggest gains.

Starting point is 01:03:16 One was a donkey calf machine. Love that. Because of the stretch, you get at the bottom. It's gnarly, and the squeeze is pretty gnarly there as well. And then the other one was blood flow restriction. Wow, did that make a difference with my calves. And I think it's just because blood flow restricted training works better on the limbs anyway. And man, if you use that knee wrap below the knee right above the calf and then do no weight and just rep out the pump and the burn you get in your calves is just so intense. And I saw

Starting point is 01:03:44 a difference doing that. Yeah. Next question is from Chris Weister. Should creatine be taking pre or post workout? Oh good old creatine. The best origigenics supplement you could probably take besides you know making sure you get the nutrients that you need in protein. There's a little research around this as far as it being right but it's like splitting hair. Yeah, it's a small difference, but post workout. Post workout, they do show that your body is primed to uptake and utilize more of this creatine to turn into ATP. That being said, your good point, it really doesn't make a huge difference. We're splitting hairs in terms of, if it's in the morning or before workout or after work, you know what makes it more of a difference is what you take with

Starting point is 01:04:28 your creatine. So we've known this for a while that if you take creatine with a lot of insulin stimulating sugar, we'll see increases in creatine. So back in the day when creatine really became a big thing, it was really the first supplement that actually did something. So when it came out in the 90s, it took over, and I would say single-handedly transformed the supplement industry into what it was now. It was Crateen came out and it worked and it was crazy and everybody's like, oh my God.

Starting point is 01:04:58 And when they saw that sugar increase the uptake, you had these products with like cell tech, with like 72 grams of dextrose. And it does increase cretin uptake, but who wants to drink 70 grams of sugar? It would make me nauseous, and it's probably not great if you don't want to gain lots of body fat and all that stuff. But it does help, but here's some better ones, right? You could do alpha-lipobic acid.

Starting point is 01:05:24 It will increase creine's uptake with a little bit of carbohydrates. So if you have a post-workout meal with carbohydrates, like let's say you have some white rice or something like that, you could do alpha-lipobic acid. And then here's another one for people who are afraid of extra calories. I don't want extra calories with the creatine, sodium.

Starting point is 01:05:41 Sodium will increase the uptake of creatine. Oh, really? I have yet to mix it with my element T. That's how I do it. Oh wow. That's exactly how I do it. I didn't know that. Yeah, so it increases the uptake of crazy team.

Starting point is 01:05:52 But here's how crazy team works, right? You take it and you build up your stores of ATP over time. You can make that happen a little faster by doing what's called loading, where you take like 20 grams of crazy team for five days, then go on five grams. It does speed that process up. I think it's a waste of cratine, but if you wanna make it happen a couple days faster, that's fine.

Starting point is 01:06:13 But once you top out those ATP stores, then what you're doing is you're just supplementing to make sure that they stay topped out. There's a point at which you can't necessarily get any more benefits. So it doesn't make a huge difference. That being said, I still take it, post workout, and I'll take it with element T, which has got the sodium.

Starting point is 01:06:32 Maybe I'll throw some alpha-lipoc acid in there, and then eat my post workout. Was there any truth? Remember when they used to say that you don't want to take it with orange juice because the citric acid did something? Oh, well, it can be unstable. If you mix it in something and leave it there for a while. Yeah, if you mix it in orange juice because the citric acid did something. Oh, well, you know, it can make it unstable if you mix it in something and leave it there for a while. Yeah, if you mix it in orange, they'd say don't, I remember my cell tech, I remember reading

Starting point is 01:06:52 that or saying like, you know, don't mix it with. I believe some of it converts to a form that isn't very usable, am I not actually be good for you? But I just, just take it, just take it in the mouth, wash it down. I know we just do a water, I mean, I know we splash it the non-flavored stuff that we have and just shoot it, just take it in the mouth, wash it down. I know we just do a water. I mean, I normally splash the non-flavored stuff that we have and just shoot it real quick, but now that I know the about the sodium, I mean, I'm drinking element T anyways,

Starting point is 01:07:12 I may as well do that, I didn't realize that. It says it prevents it from being absorbed effectively with six-ray glasses. The other one's caffeine, they say that caffeine can reduce its absorption. But again, that's interesting because you have companies like Bang who have paired their Bang Energy Drink with creatine. I know but again, that's that's interesting because you have companies like bang who have paired

Starting point is 01:07:25 They're bang energy drink with creating. Oh, that's funny But honestly it's like once you're once you've got those levels topped out It really doesn't make a huge difference, you know And it's one of those supplements that we now are finding and I've said I'm gonna say this again I've said it so many times it is a Soon-to-be Health and wellness supplement, promote and advertise everybody,

Starting point is 01:07:47 because we're seeing benefits for cognition, heart health, it's got antioxidant properties, it's good for other tissues, other than just muscle. I bet you're gonna see kids start to take it. They're already putting it in those meal replacements for the elderly, so you know, like the little drinks that they'll give, like insure and stuff for the elderly. So you know, the little drinks that they'll give, like insure and stuff for the elderly,

Starting point is 01:08:07 they're already throwing creatine in that because it's helping with muscle loss and it's helping with balance and strength. So it's one of those supplements that is gonna be, it's just gonna grow in terms of its usage. Yeah, for me, I noticed too, so it actually upsets my stomach a bit when I take it without any kind of food to go with it.

Starting point is 01:08:26 So that was something I had to kind of work through, but I know a lot, there's some feedback with that that it did upsets your stomachs. Some people don't, can't take rating because it upsets their stomach and some people are what are called, I guess, non-responders. I thought I could say pussy's, and it's like,

Starting point is 01:08:41 hey, yeah. But I mean, for most people, you're gonna see benefit and you could take a small dose you could do You know two grams or whatever a day. Yeah, but yeah, I try to give it to my parents. I try to give it to Grandparents and family members to help with all that, you know Cognitive effects and all that it's yeah, it works. It's a healthy supplement The only people that probably shouldn't take it are people who have actual organ issues, like kidney issues and stuff like that, which case you'd want to consult with your doctor.

Starting point is 01:09:10 Next question is from David Akalo Training. What tips do you have for introverted personal trainers? You know what's funny about this is there's a myth that being introverted means you're not gonna be successful as a coach or a trainer. I believe this when I first started as well because I'm... I wouldn't consider myself an extrovert, depends on the environment, I could be both. But if I'm in a gym, I'm an extrovert, that's my place, I'm comfortable talking to anybody, it's not a big deal. So I thought that that was necessary for success as a personal trainer.

Starting point is 01:09:45 And then through the years I've had enough trainers who were extremely successful with their clients, extremely successful with their revenue, with how much they produced, that were not, that I would consider to be introverted. And they did very well and then I said to myself, okay, you don't have to be an extrovert to be a successful guy. Well, especially today with content creation, the ability to post or write. If you can write well or have a creative side to you as far as content creation on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and blogging and writing white papers, like there's a lot of potential for you to have some success in that, especially if you can put some words together pretty well.

Starting point is 01:10:29 Just, you're of the three of us, you're the most, I would say introverted in that sense. Adam and I are more similar. But you were also very, very successful. Did you have any specific stride? Yeah, I mean, I kind of weave back and forth, but yeah, when I'm in business mode, like I'm very much Introverted like I want to make sure everything I have to present is is perfect and I'm very analytical of what

Starting point is 01:10:54 You know, I want to portray myself as and so I had a hard time just like throwing myself out there and Talking to random people I've never talked to you before. So it took a lot of work for me to get through that because at the end of the day, this is a very interpersonal job. You have to like people, you have to like talking to people. So that's something that's like way outside yourself. Maybe it's not a good fit,

Starting point is 01:11:18 but maybe something like, if you're really into fitness, like writing or providing some kind of content where you can do that from your house makes sense. But if you want to work through that, there's ways to do that. And you guys have actually experienced some of that when we did our, when we started our improv training, stuff like that where it just kind of, it forces you to not live so much

Starting point is 01:11:42 in your head. You have to come out with it. You have to immerse yourself and sort of release the fact that maybe I'm like I say the right thing every single time or maybe I gotta take it in small steps. So for me, it was more about taking in small steps of, first thing is to just hang out where the conversations are easier to come across. So if I'm in the front desk and somebody's coming in,

Starting point is 01:12:06 I learn their name, I just say hi. Like I just take it in small strides. I just say hi, they come back. I remember their name, I say, we'll see you next time, Joe, whoever, right? And then you start to kind of like build rapport. I always think that you put too much pressure as an introvert on trying to get all these things

Starting point is 01:12:24 nailed down like right away. It's just about putting yourself out there, getting to know people, like how long have you been here? Very simple conversations. You don't need to go for the clothes right away. You need to get outside yourself first

Starting point is 01:12:40 and get to know people. And then it just starts to line up towards deeper conversations that lead you towards maybe even turn them into a client. I also don't think you should stress this too much either. I think you should double and triple down on your strengths. And maybe spend 20% of your time doing these classes that are gonna work on your speech or 20% of the time doing these classes that are going to work on your speech or 20% of the time, putting yourself in these uncomfortable situations to try and get you

Starting point is 01:13:09 better at that. But I think if you're naturally an introverted person stressing about, oh my God, I'm introverted and I need to be extraverted if I'm going to be this good trainer. It's a time. It's not only a waste of time, but it's going to become stressful as fuck because it's not who you are, except who you are and double and triple down your strengths. In a good example, talking about Justin

Starting point is 01:13:30 and comparing to the two of us, there was a time when you went off on your own, doing your own thing, I was running my own thing. Justin had a website 10 times better than mine, and you built all that. You had the ability to sit down and ride and create all that content, and you were much better at that than I am.

Starting point is 01:13:47 Maybe I'm better walking up to random strangers on the street and hustling them into my classes. But at the end of the day, you probably drove more leads to your business with your strength on your website than I was able to on my website. So if you're an introverted person, instead of focusing on that,

Starting point is 01:14:04 you're not good at that, focus on what you're good at and be great at it. Get good, find those areas that do make you a good trainer and double and triple down on that. And then spend a little bit of time trying to develop the skills that maybe that we're talking about. Yeah, and I think also there's a misunderstanding that training people is an extroverted process or activity, it's not.

Starting point is 01:14:28 When you're training a client one-on-one, it's you and your client. And many introverts flourish in that environment. They're really good at developing deep connections, making their clients feel very comfortable, and at home, insecure with them, which is a very important thing to do as a trainer. The only part I could see, well, here's what I think

Starting point is 01:14:49 the challenge can come from is what about getting clients? That's where the fear is. That is the big challenge. That's the fear, but there's many ways to create opportunities to where the, like you said, Justin, work in the front desk like the conversation comes to you, or setting up a booth of free body fat tests, right? That sets up the, so the conversation. Well, even that, even, booth of free body fat tests, right? That sets up the conversation.

Starting point is 01:15:05 Well, even that, again, I go back to what I say. I mean, yes, it is. The stressful part for this person is the lead generation. Well, lead generate other ways, write a blog. Totally. He'll create a great website that draws people out. Oh, he's beautiful. Yes.

Starting point is 01:15:19 I love that you brought that up, because I did. That's all I thought about was like, how can I hack this? It's a be more beneficial towards me. And yeah, I looked at a lot of the sort of presentation binders at the front of the gym and I'm like, and I made sure because I could sit there on my computer and do all these things and like write, like copy and like really build myself up in terms of writing. I got a lot of business that way too.

Starting point is 01:15:45 And so you just kind of look for other opportunities where people will come across it, maybe pick up the phone and call you and just, you know, figure out ways now online, obviously social media and all these other things play a factor, absolutely. Next question is from Becca Clementson. In 20 years, where do you see yourself and mine pump?

Starting point is 01:16:05 20 years. 20 years? 20 is a long time. I'll be, we'll be 60, impossible to find, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah, 60, 20. I'll have, my hair will look like atoms. That's what I'm gonna be.

Starting point is 01:16:17 Yeah, 20 years is a really long time to try and predict where that is. Yeah, I predict, let's see, 20 years from now, you're gonna see, I think we're gonna see. Catch me in the metaverse. I'm, you know what? That's true. That is so true.

Starting point is 01:16:33 We'll be fighting it. That's so true. From the inside. Yeah, I tried those Oculus goggles that you have, and that really was weird because I literally warmed for five minutes. That's today's tech. So 20 years from now, who knows?

Starting point is 01:16:46 Yeah. And I had him on and I was playing that game a little bit and I could see how you could get totally and throw all with it. And then when I took him off, that was only after five minutes. The real world felt very strange to me because I had already adjusted to that world.

Starting point is 01:17:00 So I could see how metaverse world is gonna make people not wanna be in the real world. Is fitness gonna be all like that? I mean, I could see how metaverse world is going to make people not want to be in the real world. Is fitness going to be all like that? I mean, I could see that. I mean, I still stand by my prediction of that we're going to have a very clear split in our society. I think there's going to be, and it's going to be pretty even. I think it's going to be, now where do you think we'll be? So we're mind pumped 20 years from now. We're going to be on the unpleasant. So honest, where do you think like we're always trying to reach people where we see there's potential issues.

Starting point is 01:17:27 So, I think we'll live in both. Yeah. So, I think we'll try to sort of evangelize within the metaverse of like how to be able to move or maybe we'll create products or things in there to help aid in the physical. Yeah, I find that we'll be somewhere in the middle. I think that we'll take advantage of this new growing space. It will create something, some content in there, potentially.

Starting point is 01:17:52 But I don't see us being like, everything's going in there, we're gonna be like, I just don't see that. And I don't see most fitness people. Yeah. Being like that, I think most fitness people are into actually moving in real life and going out there and interacting with other people

Starting point is 01:18:07 and doing physical things versus this like, you know, metaverse. I'm gonna go out in the limb and say that we're probably gonna see more medical breakthroughs in the next 20 years that we saw than we saw in the last 200 years. We're on the cusp, I mean, like this new genetic, these genetic technologies, these RNA technologies, the way that we're using psychedelics and studies for helping people

Starting point is 01:18:35 with their mental issues, modifying bacteria to be able to do things for us. I think in the next 20 years, we may actually find ways of solving obesity through Western medicine. Now that's not going to solve all the problems, but the obesity issue may very well be solved with something that Western medicine comes up with. Oh, that's really going on. Well, it is, but I see what the science is looks like. Well, 20 years from now, you gotta see how far we've come just in a few years. It's accelerating, right? The whole, was it Dunbar's equation?

Starting point is 01:19:09 Or I forget what it is, but like, more is law. More is law, thank you. It's Dunbar. It's a different equation. It's a different equation. It's a different equation. It don't ask me to describe it, because I just remembered

Starting point is 01:19:21 the name, but yeah, yeah, I just think that everything is accelerating to a point where like I Every science fiction novel I've read every movie and TV series like it it's so Crazy to me that we're so close on a lot of these different ideas that were thrown out already To see 20 years from now. That's a long time to see what society is gonna look like. Yeah, it's, I mean, we're, now we're starting to get into what we think the world is gonna be like versus where do we see ourselves and mind pump?

Starting point is 01:19:52 Like, how do we navigate it? I, well, I feel like, I mean, I'm, we're gonna be 60. So, by that, by that time, I believe that we will have built and set ourselves up financially that technically nobody has to work at all Or we'll ever have to work again and we will do be doing only the things that we absolutely love to do and I we love to podcast I think we all have a passion for that 20 years from now. I don't know if we still will But I don't know if I can talk to you guys. Yeah, I mean, but I do think that we will have distilled what we cause we all have work.

Starting point is 01:20:25 I don't think anybody in this room, including Doug, I don't think, ever sees himself fully retiring. So I don't see myself retired just because we have financial, complete financial freedom. What I see us doing is distilling down the things we do in business on this, the things we absolutely love to do. And I think that's what work would look like. It'll be less about managing people and scaling and it'll be more about, I just love doing this and we'll be doing those things. And right now those things look like podcasting because we enjoy that part. But I don't know

Starting point is 01:20:57 20 years of it'll exactly be. I think Max is going to be sitting in your studio. I was just going to be sitting in my, my Yeah, my that would be my dream. I mean you're right. It's 20 years from now So my dream would be like one of my kids, right? Takes over and I mean that's unlikely that you know that would be it's almost never works that way But that would be pretty cool, you know to have you know the younger generation and kind of teach them I think it'd be cool to if we just I mean just personally if we had more events, or like we have just like a place where, you know, people that listen that have common values and ideas,

Starting point is 01:21:29 like they could just, we could all hang out, have an experience, you know, somewhere cool, like a ranch or something. Oh, I totally believe we're moving in that direction much sooner than 20 years. I mean, I think this idea that we have with the kind of the MP homes, right? Then moving them into this like kind of destinations

Starting point is 01:21:44 experiences, and you're talking, so I think that's in the MP homes, right? Then moving them into this like kind of destinations, experiences, and you're talking, so I think that's in the near future and wouldn't be that far fetched to think that one of the investments we do would be this massive property or cool place that everybody could come and meet once a year or whatever, like I could come to. It's so hard to think 20 years in the future though

Starting point is 01:21:59 because like I said, when I look at the science around longevity, it's weird and fascinating. The science around fat storage, fat loss, how we can influence the metabolism and inflammation. It's gonna be really weird, and we're gonna be at a crossroads if we do in fact get to the point, which I think we probably will in 20 years,

Starting point is 01:22:22 where we literally have exercising a pill for lack of a better term. People are going to take it or do whatever, and they're going to look the way they want to look, but they're not going to get all of the other profound benefits of going on the journey of fitness. It's going to be a very strange situation where, wow, I look good. I'm not obese, that's good, but, you know, I still kind of feel lost. I don't feel as great like what's going on.

Starting point is 01:22:48 Maybe they won't notice because they never were in the first place. But a lot of the benefits you get from a lot, most of the benefits you get is the journey, the learning journey and how you develop the relationship with yourself and with your own ego and with exercise and nutrition. Once you take a pill that does all that for you,

Starting point is 01:23:04 you've lost that. All you've gained are the physical results, which there's benefit to that, but I think it's gonna be put people in a very interesting position. Similar to how we see, well imagine how much this is gonna change if we lived at 120 or 130, you know,

Starting point is 01:23:17 or our kids generally, that's gonna just shake up so many things. It's similar to what we see with celebrities when they get all this money and fame and power, and then we hear about them committing suicide. Like, how could this, they had everything. I thought that was the end result. Yeah, cause you're in this position,

Starting point is 01:23:32 and you're like, why am I not happy? Because it's not about that all the time. It's usually about other things. So it can be interesting. I think we're gonna get to a position, not just with fitness, but with everything where, we're gonna have everything that we want, and then we're gonna be like, why isn't this enough?

Starting point is 01:23:47 Why don't I not feel fulfilled? I'll be preparing people fitness wise for outer space. Outer space, yeah. That's a good one. Make sure they go to Mars. Look, if you like Mind Pump and you like our information, you'll love the free stuff that we've written for people to help them with their fitness goals. Go to Mind Pump Free.com, check out our guides.

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