Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1724: How to Stop Big Bodyweight Swings, the Perfect Number of Exercises to Maximize Your Gains, How to Workout When You Are Short on Time & More

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Starting point is 00:00:30 at mindpumpmedia.com. Now we open the episode with a 51 minute intro where we talked about current events, scientific studies, and we talked about some of our sponsors. So here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about how workout partners might be killing your gains. Then we did a little follow up on fart girl, she's a person selling Farts in jars, today's episode, we opened up by talking about how workout partners might be killing your gains.

Starting point is 00:00:45 Then we did a little follow up on fart girl, she's a person selling farts in jars, something else happened to her. Adam brought up the board ape yacht club and FT club. Then we talked about Adam's new tech toy, kind of cool to the Oculus. We talked about the Sony electric car and the new BMW car that changes its color, then we did a little clarification on our stances on cardio and on doctors and one more clarification. In the past, we talked about Caldera Labs products. They have a serum and a moisturizer for your skin.

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Starting point is 00:03:54 and then use the code January 50, that's January 5-0, no space for that discount. Working out with a workout partner is probably killing your gains. Ooh, hot take. Oh yeah, hot take. Little controversial. Yeah, I know a lot of people like to work out with workout partners and I definitely think

Starting point is 00:04:12 that there's sometimes value, right, like the motivation aspect and someone to kind of check your form and all that stuff. But I think more often than not, what a workout partner tends to do is you work out either more intensely than you should, use weight that you shouldn't be using, do exercises that might be ideal for yourself, or on the other side, you waste time, you're not doing much of a workout.

Starting point is 00:04:34 You're not consistent, yeah, you fall into their patterns, not your own pattern. Yeah, somebody is always losing in the relationship. Yes. Somebody's gaining, somebody's losing in relationship. Because you're following their workout. Right, there's always, there's always, whether the partner that is showing up

Starting point is 00:04:46 that's listening right now and they're like, that is not true, it's benefit. Okay, well then you're the one benefiting, you're fucking your friend. Yeah. So somebody's getting fucked. Like somebody is having to rest. You're fired, buddy.

Starting point is 00:04:56 Change or do what the other person wants or needs, and it's not what's ideal for that person. It's impossible for two people to be following the workout routine and it's perfectly ideal for both of them at that time. Yeah, now I do wanna be, look, I wanna be very clear, okay? If you love working out with a workout partner, you guys match up pretty well,

Starting point is 00:05:14 it helps keep you concerned. You're the same protein shakes. You've got a good vibe going on. There's nothing wrong with that at all. I mean, the social aspect of exercise can be amazing. It's one of the reasons why fitness modalities that CrossFit exploded and introduced people to exercises that a lot of people weren't doing before.

Starting point is 00:05:32 It was that social aspect. It's a very powerful part of fitness for a lot of people. But what you don't want to do, and I think this is the real lesson of what I said. And I know the way I opened it was kind of to get people's attention. But the real lesson is don't forget that you need to train yourself, it's your practice.

Starting point is 00:05:46 I remember, I've taken a few yoga classes, and that's funny to say, a few, but I remember, there was a really good one in the instructor said, this is your practice. So if this hurts, or if this is too hard, move into this pose or pause, and I thought that was really good because when you're in class,

Starting point is 00:06:02 you can kind of get carried away. It's your journey, and I think initially, especially in the beginning, accountability is something that you're really seeking that and you want to be able to find that and so having a friend around and like doing it together, it sounds like a great idea and it is initially we've got to evolve, pass that and really like take ownership of your own efforts going forward. Well, it does contradict a bit of what we say, right? We say that a inferior workout program done consistently is better than a superior program done in consistency.

Starting point is 00:06:33 Right. So if you are the type of person that won't show up to the gym unless your friend is meeting you there, then continue on. You know, do your thing. Meet with your friend, get your workout partner. But the truth is, that's, you want to want to evolve beyond that. You want to evolve to a place where you don't rely on somebody else. That's the key, by the way. You don't want to need a workout partner. Right.

Starting point is 00:06:59 You want to, it's okay to have one, but you don't want to be in a position where you need a workout partner. Because now, the potential inconsistencies are higher. If they miss or if something happens to them and what would happen to me quite often and by the way this is one of the reasons why we don't work out together. I mean we work out together but not together. Like we're all working out at the same time. Together but not together. Yes. But we're not doing the same exercises and you know, doing set my set. Hold hands or anything like that. No, no, that's tough.

Starting point is 00:07:28 No, only one time. But mainly here's why. It inevitably, I compromise my technique or inevitably I train a little more intensely or I do an exercise that may be not ideal for me because one of you guys is doing it, so I'm jumping in. And so there's a bit of a compromise there. And I can see some value in that sometimes,

Starting point is 00:07:47 but I think if you get to the point where you need a workout partner, and you're compromising your technique, and you're form, and you're going harder than you should, and using weight you shouldn't lift, and all that kind of stuff, then you're hurting your progress. Well, and also, I just think a lot of the, a lot of times I'll see the workout partner is sort of the spotter.

Starting point is 00:08:04 Yeah. And so this is, I used to think that was essential but a lot of times I'll see the workout partner is sort of the spotter, right? And so this is like, I used to think that was essential when listing heavy, like I had to have a spotter and I had to make sure that somebody was there to be able to dig me out of a bad situation, when in fact, I actually got hurt because of my spotter. So learning the proper technique to bail

Starting point is 00:08:23 and be able to get rid of weight and have the safety attachments now that they have for racks and all these kinds of things. But I mean, it does play a lot more into like, you go a little bit more intense than probably you should. You're not really listening to your own body signals. You're trying to push through that. Well, I'm glad you went that way because the person I think that needs the drop, the workout partner the most, is I think my younger self, who you're trying to push through that. Well, I'm glad you went that way because the person I think is, that needs to drop the workout partner the most, is I think my younger self,

Starting point is 00:08:49 who you're looting to as was your younger self, which is the kid who trains with somebody, and the reason they train with somebody is because they need a spotter for every lift, because every lift they're taking the failure. And we talk about that all the time about going to failure, and that is not ideal for you,

Starting point is 00:09:03 especially to be going to failure consistently. Maybe it intermittently makes it into a routine here and there on your workouts, and there's some value to that, but training to failure almost every workout, which is what I was doing. So what I was doing always was having a workout partner, and at least one or two sets, I had needed my spotter,

Starting point is 00:09:23 helped me with this lift. It was more weight than I should be doing or could do on my own and having them spot me through workout. And you're just, you're not applying the correct intensity and the dependence on having someone to work out there. It's kind of like a two-pronged issue. Yeah, you know what I used to hate?

Starting point is 00:09:36 I used to hate this like when I was a workout and I'd have a workout buddy with me and I know that I'm gonna stop the set here. No, no, you got two more, man. It's like, go away. I don't wanna hear, you know what I mean? You got it, you got it? Come on, you're almost there. No, no, you got two more, man. Yeah, yeah. It's like, go away. Yeah. I don't wanna hear, you know what I mean? You got it, you got it.

Starting point is 00:09:47 Come on, you're almost there. No, no, I'm doing my thing. Did you see that meme the other day that went around? I thought it was hilarious, maybe not. 90% of, no, it said, you ain't got it, bro. No, what do you say? It said it should be. 90% of the time when your spotter says you got it,

Starting point is 00:10:00 you don't got it. Yeah, that's all right, yeah. You didn't get it. Yeah, no, I didn't get it, bro. I'm gonna go back to what you said, Justin, and I used to teach my clients this as well when I would train them, because my goal as a trainer was to set them up

Starting point is 00:10:10 so that this is something they could continue lifelong. And that require me, just like we're saying right now, you don't wanna be in a position where you'd require a worker. Oh yeah, this applies to a client and a trainer the same way. Yes, and what I would teach my clients is, how do you get the dumbbells into position?

Starting point is 00:10:24 How do you dump the weight when you can't lift it anymore if that ever happens to you? Because although going to failure is too much intensity most of the time, sometimes it could be used appropriately, so you need to know how to fail if you do fail. If you fail on a squat, what does it look like? How do I get rid of the bar? If you fail on a bench, do you know how to use the safety? Most benches now have safety. Or there's actually a technique for failing on a bench press. If you have no safety, and you could bring the bar down and you know how to get up with the bar, I don't recommend that for most people, but there is a way to do it. So learning these techniques is important for safety. Relaying on a spot, spotter all the time, you could put you in

Starting point is 00:11:02 a position where one workout, we don't have a spotter, then you push yourself past a certain point, don't know how to bail on the weight or don't know how to dump a squat. And now you're in a bad position. I've seen people before, do that with a squat where they get to the bottom. And they're uncomfortable dumping the weight

Starting point is 00:11:17 and they start to grind and then their back starts to round. And then they fail forward. You ever seen that where they fail forward and the weight goes forward? They turn it to it. Well that's what happened when one of my friends was help spotting one of my heavy squats and was trying to help me,

Starting point is 00:11:30 but actually kind of leaned into me and pushed me forward and literally squashed you, the weight on my back as I fell forward. It was awful. I can't believe I didn't blow my knees out. Oh. Yeah, I think it's one of those things. It doesn't get talked about at all, really,

Starting point is 00:11:46 in terms of how to bail and how to safely kind of make your way through. You know, I'm gonna put it, I'm gonna say it a little bit differently, because I guarantee those people who are like, oh my God, my workout partner's the best. I love them, this is great, whatever. Finding a good workout partner is almost as hard

Starting point is 00:12:00 as finding a great business partner or a great spouse. It's true. Like this person has to not inflate your ego but rather keep your ego in check. So if you work out with somebody and you feel your ego inflating, probably not a good idea, right? This person needs to make you feel like you could train more appropriately, need to be able to help you with your form and technique when you need help on it, be able to kind of match with your similar goals, help with the motivation and consistency, not the opposite.

Starting point is 00:12:30 I'm so consistent with my workouts that if a workout partner showed up, five minutes late, seven minutes late, like I'm going and you can go work out by yourself now because I'm gonna do my thing. So it's really hard. Now I guess when you do find that perfect partner, it's probably amazing, but boy, that's a hard. Now I guess when you do find that perfect partner, it's probably amazing.

Starting point is 00:12:46 But boy, that's a hard thing. I think the reasons that people like workout partners are the reasons why I don't like workout partners, which is most people would say like, oh, I get the best workouts or they push me when I have a workout partner. And I need that extra push or else I'm not gonna train as hard. External motivation. And that is the reason why I don't like workout partners is I know now when I go into a workout What level of intensity how much volume I need to be trained with but I'm also very competitive and

Starting point is 00:13:11 It's natural when I'm with my buddies that they're lifting if he's getting after it It's really easy for me to fall right into that well I'll do another set or go and throw another 25 on there I got this when I know or at very least I not going to take the plate off to do my set. Oh, right. And I know that. I know that I know what I need when I go into my workout. And it's not always this crazy intense,

Starting point is 00:13:32 crush myself in my routine. And I know that if, now that being said, there are times two when I think there's some value in that. I know I haven't trained really intensely in a long time. Maybe I'm going to get into workout with Justin or Sal. And I know that when we work out together, we're going to push each other that way. But that's not something I want to intensely in a long time. Maybe I'm gonna get into workout with Justin or Sal and I know that when we workout together, we're gonna push each other that way, but that's not something I wanna do on a regular basis.

Starting point is 00:13:49 Reminds me of that white snake song. You know what I just want. Here we go again. Go get him. Yeah, dude. That's that one he's going to the gym. I saw my playlist. This is Irohka.

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Starting point is 00:14:37 Okay, so obviously she must have got proposed by some fan like one time and then was like, hmm, you know, like this market here, like this market must be bigger than we realize. You know what, make fun of her all you want. She's the smartest like booty pick girl I know of because there's a lot of these people that sell images and whatever. So she's not images, they try to make money afterwards and they can't. She's capitalizing.

Starting point is 00:15:02 She sells the functional booty. Yes. And she capitalized. Like, you hear what happened? Yes, she had like a like a mild heart attack or something. No, no, she has. So what happened? She felt like she was having a heart attack or stroke. So she was eating, no, I got a chili. I got a theory, by the way. And I just read something that comes first. Heron protein shakes. Yes. So she was eating foods that were produced more gas, so that she could fart more. And eggs. So lots of being-

Starting point is 00:15:26 To meet the demand. Do you think about the stinkiest like dangerous supply demand right here? She's like, pojish. She's the sulfuric, you know, like combination, she was just like, I'm not, I imagine that though, right? Like you've got such a high demand for it.

Starting point is 00:15:42 Oh, you've got a golden ticket there. Yeah, you've got all this money you can make within you just can't produce anymore This booty is a factory. Well, let's back up for a second. Look at the business status the margins on those farce We're just incredible Okay, wait a second. How okay? 90% I would have thought the same thing you said a bit of a reality started She has a bit of a social media phone. She's got to have millions. I don't remember how many Can you look for a duck? Yeah, she's got to have millions. I don't remember how many people. Can you look for a drug compound? Can you just gotta have millions to be able

Starting point is 00:16:06 to sell 50,000 dollars to the person? Yeah, no, 500,000. Five, she's got enough of these thirsty weirdos. Yeah, what was it's like per jar, because let's do, I wanted to figure this out, like she has to have a pretty big following to sell that. Yeah, what was she selling you to? Unless she was selling for thousands of jars.

Starting point is 00:16:21 Unless they're like a hundred, 200 bucks. Well, okay. But no one's paying for a bar. I'm gonna guess that it was expensive because if you're the kind of person that buys a fart online in a jar, you're probably willing to spend. So I disagree. I think it's a low price point because I can see myself doing it even as like a prank sent it to a buddy.

Starting point is 00:16:40 You know what I'm saying? You buy someone else's fart? Why don't you just make it? For 20 bucks? It's funnier, you know? else's fart, why don't you just make it? For 20 bucks. Cause it's funnier, you know. It's got her picture on it. And I didn't have to actually go through the process of catching my fart in that way. You told Justin to fart a jar for you.

Starting point is 00:16:53 I've been storing them in the back. You know, so here's what happened to her. So what this is the story. So she was eating all these gas producing foods. And then she started getting all the stomach pain. And she said it started traveling up, gave her anxiety. She thought she was having heart attack, went to the hospital and they confirmed that it was just gastro issues. And I talked to Courtney a bit about like this happens a lot.

Starting point is 00:17:15 People think out of heart attack and it's just gas like all the time. I got this great side business idea. Hey babe, here's what you need to feed. What if we took what we took. We know that you need to feed. Here's what this is. Babe, what if we took what we had to say? You were bored and stayed at home all the time. That's a good one. So we're going to sign this little side hustle. You're going to make a lot of money.

Starting point is 00:17:32 She's got, where you at with this Andrew Doug? Come on, give me some numbers. She's got to be big. She can't be. Well, she's got to be now. She's probably bigger. Well, I mean, of course she is. I mean, she's got,

Starting point is 00:17:40 I've got a number of numbers here. For her TikTok, she has 108,000 followers. That's not much. TikTok, that's a decent amount. No, Instagram, 282,000 followers. Okay, that's decent. And then YouTube, she has 375,000 subscribers. Okay, she's not even the million, okay.

Starting point is 00:17:57 So, okay. That's impressive to do a half a million in Farts and what she's selling per jar. A thousand dollars a jar, right? Told you, whoa? Told you. Whoa. Told you. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:08 Told you. You know why? Nobody who's interested in buying a person's fart is looking at the price. They're weird. That's a lot of jars. 100 people spent a thousand dollars to freaking. Did you really do the math real quick? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:21 Yeah, he's your father with the math. No, he's contemplating the future of the business. Oh, I got look at her page. Far jars by Stephanie Maddo. Wow. Look at that. 5,000 far. Oh, no, don't damn it. You ruined my what I was going to say, Doug. Do you get different? That's Andrew. Oh, Andrew. I wonder. Back up for a second. Back up for a second. I want you guys to come to the same conclusion I did. She said she went to the hospital, almost got a heart attack for producing real farts. I can't do this anymore.

Starting point is 00:18:48 Now, what is she selling? NFTs. Fart NFTs. Okay, what do you mean? What's your theory on that? It was all a publicity stuff. She didn't go to the fucking hospital or maybe she did and she was bullshit

Starting point is 00:18:59 but it was all about like, I'm sorry, I can't make real farts anymore but I'm gonna sell you these NFT farts which she's apparently selling. How are you? So they're gonna say, I can't make real farts anymore, but I'm gonna sell you these NFT farts, which she's apparently selling. How are you, so? They're gonna say, I don't understand. It says, imagine the smell. You imagine it.

Starting point is 00:19:13 It's just hilarious. Dude, this bubble is going to just, bro, they're selling NFT fart jac- You see the, okay, you guys follow the, we need to stop for a second and, like, NFT fart jars. Yeah, I know. The board ape yacht club Are you guys following that one? No, so they have

Starting point is 00:19:29 1000 apes maybe Andrew can correct me if I'm wrong. I believe there's a thousand of these apes They've sold they've made a billion dollars face right now a billion dollar selling a thousand of these and also all these famous people have it So it's like and what it's turned into is almost like just Cloud that I can't your flex like yeah, I can and because the cheapest one was like $260,000 Whoa, yeah Steph Curry got all these big name people that have these board apes and it's now what's smart about them is it gives you access So you got famous people and wealthy people that are willing to spend this kind of money. Then what do you do? So what right now I think they can meet up.

Starting point is 00:20:10 Well I imagine that's the future of it. They can't do it. And maybe Andrew, do you know anything about them? Do you follow them at all? I'm looking at the website right now. There's $10,000. $10,000? Oh there's $10,000. There's a thousand. They've been a billion dollars though. They've made a billion dollars. That's insane selling these board apes. So okay, so if we go back to fart girl, whatever her name was, brilliant because what she's doing, she's literally taking advantage of the stupidity of the whole thing. She's poking her finger at people and saying, not only did you buy my real farts, which was stupid, pulling her finger. But now she's, now you're going gonna buy my fake farts and it's NFTs. How many more hints do we need that this is a huge,

Starting point is 00:20:48 crazy bubble? Huge bubble, dude. Huge, huge. It is fart bubble. Okay, now certain things like this, okay, because they're exclusive, I think that. We're missing the boat here, dude, guys. I swear to God.

Starting point is 00:21:00 What are we doing trying to provide good fitness information? Why are we trying to provide valuable, like informative information? We need like, we got at least between the three of us nonsense. Couple billion dollars worth of parts. Well, this is for you guys. I mean, this whole metaverse thing is, now what did you think of the VR, right? So we haven't talked about that.

Starting point is 00:21:16 Oh, you're off-screen. Yeah, so for Christmas, I got the Oculus. Now, let me tell you, the reason why I asked for it for Christmas was, they have a thing with the NBA and they do it probably, I would say once every couple of weeks, I can watch court side a game through Oculus. And I'm very interested to see what that experience was like, enough that I wanted to buy it. So I asked for Christmas Katrina Bada for me. That was my original intention.

Starting point is 00:21:42 Now, because I have it, I got on there and said, let's check some of these games out. Was blown away. Yeah, that's pretty wild. I was blown away by how immersive it was and how I did not expect the graphics to be at that level. I didn't expect it to feel that real. I would never considered even getting one,

Starting point is 00:22:00 so you had me like, check it out. And I was like, wow, this, it's totally the progression of video games where just like the excitement, like when the Wii came out, that was so like different because you're like interacting with it. This is on a completely different level of interaction. The one game that you had me try the scary one, what's it called? Resident Evil. Oh, I love that game. That's a good time I mean that's how real this was was I got that that was one of the first games I bought it's like this is true right 10 o'clock at night I think I'm going through you don't like scary movies. I put it I put them on and it opens up and I just fuck this I'm not playing this right now like I literally wouldn't play it like that's how fucking real it fell

Starting point is 00:22:42 I was scared dude. I scared myself up It was dark and like, this feels way too real. I don't know what to expect. I need to wait till like one of my friends is here to test. You imagine the prank you could play on Adam if he's playing that doesn't know you're gonna do. And then just grab his, grab his, yeah, just tickle his side case. I mean, I just didn't know that I didn't know

Starting point is 00:23:00 that they were at that level yet. Like Justin, you bring up the Wii. Like that kind of expected something we like, but you have goggles on. So maybe it's just, Justin, you bring up the Wii. Like, I kind of expected something Wii-like, but you have goggles on. So maybe it's just, I just felt like it was a... Locky kind of character. Yeah, I thought it was gonna feel more like, I don't know, kind of 3D with...

Starting point is 00:23:14 No, you're in it. Yeah. And you move your hands. Okay, so there's a whole... You can see your hands. Yeah, exactly. Okay, just look at your hands, was it true? Okay, so there's this well-known experiment.

Starting point is 00:23:24 I don't remember the name of it. Maybe you guys have seen videos on it where they take a... The divider between the hands. Yeah, so they'll have a hand. You put one hand out and there's a rubber hand that comes out and there's a mirror reflecting your other hand and they tickle your, or they touch your real hand

Starting point is 00:23:41 and it looks like it's touching your fake hand, the rubber hand. Without realizing your brain assumes that the rubber hand, without realizing your brain assumes that the rubber hand is yours. Then what they do is they keep doing this and you're like, oh wow, this is so weird. You feel it. It feels like you're touching my whatever. And then they what they do is they they stab it with a knife and scare you and people always jump and freak out like they felt like they were getting stabbed.

Starting point is 00:24:01 There's another one where people where they also use that for therapy too, right? For phantom limbs syndrome. For phantom limbs syndrome. Yeah, they have those, the haptic metaverse gloves now. Well, so here, hear me out, because these are old studies that we've done for a long time. There's another one where people put on glasses

Starting point is 00:24:16 where they're looking through an image and it's a doll, a doll's lower body, and it looks like it's their lower body, and they do the same thing. They tickle the leg, but they tickle the real leg. So they feel like they become the doll and the people talk about how strange it is and how the brain makes them feel like their legs are small

Starting point is 00:24:32 or whatever. So when you are in the Oculus and you put your hands out and you see the fake hands or whatever, without, you can't even stop it. Your brain starts to connect and make you feel like those are your real hands. I don't know. I mean, yeah, when you play that Resident Evil, right? you kind of turn it over and you're kind of going like,

Starting point is 00:24:46 it's weird. That can't help but make me think about like voodoo dolls. Yeah, like some weird, like you're sort of manifesting all these ideas of that's gonna affect me just because you believe it. So weird. So I don't think the the court side stuff's gonna take off because and here's why maybe you guys are, you've been to more games than I have. I've only been to zero. So here's why I think it would be, here's why I think it going to take off because and here's why maybe you guys are you've been to more games than I have I've only been to zero so here's why it would be here's why I think it would take off I feel like the experience of watching the game live is more about the that your live because you can't watch the game as well as when you're watching on TV right I mean yeah okay so there's there's two sides of that right so I mean on that way with a lot of sports, I actually like watching on TV.

Starting point is 00:25:26 You get to comment. You get to comment. You get to commentating, you get to replay, you get to zooming into the camera. Like, I mean, you have sea fights, dude. I have special UFC fights. I hate UFC fights. Now, okay, I went to, I saw Chuck Lidell beat up Jeremy Horn,

Starting point is 00:25:40 which was one of the, I've been to a lot of UFC fights. That was one of my favorite. And I actually had pretty bad seats. I set up in the second level. But that was so amazing because it was such an epic fight. And everybody was on their feet the whole time. I watched a Lakers and Kings Game one time. And I was in the very last seats in the rafters.

Starting point is 00:25:55 And that was amazing because the energy in there. But unless you're in like some like epic game like that where you can feel the energy in the place, to me, it's like it's better to experience it. Unless you're sitting like court side where you're like right there on or everything's visible. You have to have everything visible though otherwise like and that's what I mentioned because like the cage itself like you get certain angles I had I missed a lot of things just because of where I was sitting. But here's the thing though and then what I don't know yet because I signed up for and I missed actually, because we were busy or something,

Starting point is 00:26:25 but I signed up for a game, and I'll tend one. I don't know how much it costs yet. It didn't tell me, just said, I have to do this thing where it's like a lottery or something for me to even get accepted to potentially purchase. Where it's gonna be cool is if it gives people access that would never have access to that.

Starting point is 00:26:41 I mean, courtside seats, dude. I mean, I feel like it's not- I mean, I finally got to do that for the like first time in my life way late in my life. A lot of people never experienced that because it's like four or five grand a ticket. That's what I mean. I feel like you're gonna do it once

Starting point is 00:26:52 and then you'd be like, that was cool, but I'm not gonna do it. Well, maybe for someone like me who could go down there and do that, but if you could never experience that, imagine how cool that is for somebody who maybe it only costs 50 bucks. Like, I don't know how much it costs, but if it's reasonable and now you have people that would never be able to afford that experience that get something close to it.

Starting point is 00:27:09 Now of course, it's not as good. Do you think that these companies may actually end up like paying some of the players and incentivizing them to interact with it, like say in between break? No. The reason why is I don't, I mean, they're the opposite, right?

Starting point is 00:27:20 Like, they'll throw people out interacting with players. Like, I mean, although there's, there's relationships like people like Drake and stuff that will be talking, hugging players, high-fiving, they're cool like that, right? But for the most part, they don't let the, they don't want the, the, the people affecting the game. The game, people are too serious about sports. And if you have people fucking around and talking and interacting, you're going to, you're going to mess it up. Now, the video game stuff was interesting.

Starting point is 00:27:45 I could see how that would be really fun. I don't know how long it would be fun for, if it's a novelty thing as well. Hardcore gamers so far haven't adopted these things, like with their PCs and whatever. But who knows, I mean, the next level is obviously gonna be hologram shit. So the thing that I did not see happen,

Starting point is 00:28:02 so Katrina and I, we almost bought a treadmill that was gonna be our gift to ourselves, right, for lame gift, I know for a lot of people. But that was gonna be our gift for ourselves for Christmas. And I told her to hold out, wait, let's wait till afterwards and let me see what I can work out, maybe I can find a deal instead of going paying full price. Well, now I'm not going to because the boxing,

Starting point is 00:28:22 I am like fucking drenched in sweat. If I do three fights, which is there are only three rounds each, which is basically nine rounds of boxing, but it is so real that I mean, I'm sore right now. My shoulders are sore, my core is sore because you were throwing like real punches while you're doing this. And it's so, uh, just make sure there's no one around you. Well, yeah, you know, you got to, you have a, the thing does a boundary or you didn't do it because I just gave it to you. I saw the boundary you set that boundary Oh, so you can set it a tight circle. You can do a big open circle and when you step around by and when you step Well, yeah, no, it's and that's actually that's been something that's happened before where Max comes running up

Starting point is 00:28:57 And I'm in the middle of it and I've knocked him upside the head I know and I told get you know, I'm like you got to tell me if he's coming around me when I'm doing that. So, and you've seen all kinds of viral. Some guy faking it. Well, luckily I wasn't boxing. Like, I'm really careful, because I'm throwing real punches when I'm boxing. Where I kind of hit him like, when I was playing like a game where I was just moving my hands

Starting point is 00:29:16 and I didn't know he was near me. But when I box, like, yeah, no, I go upstairs by myself in this room, and I get, but I love is that it's so engaging and fun. And I'm like, it's drum drenched in sweat. So I get like this great little cardio workout. And I took a train, I would way rather do that than go sit on a treadmill or walk on a treadmill

Starting point is 00:29:34 or ride a bike. So, well, yeah. And I remember a long time ago, they had a Kickstarter for that Omni treadmill thing. Where it's just this dish that, now, you can run and have, I had little grooves in it and so you could actually run and like turn to the side and run and it felt like you're just running player one hit it out the park after now my I thought that was so much further in the future

Starting point is 00:29:56 for us than then like soon but now after experiencing it myself and knowing that those those things exist and they're going to be probably hitting the market for the average person soon. That should, the player one is like right here. It is, and again, it's not gonna be for everybody. And I know that I'll be somebody who probably dips in it, it has fun with it, like I didn't play it the last two nights, or whatever, so I'm not like, I haven't done anything longer than maybe an hour on it at one time.

Starting point is 00:30:21 I know Andrew told me, we were talking about it, because you own it, right? He said he had a stop because he was, he caught himself playing for a few hours and he said he felt the back of his brain felt like he was throbbing you said right? Yeah, so he said as like the back of his brain was like throbbing and so he's like he hung it up that guy. I don't want to get that checked out but I don't know if that's the all right. That sounds like something. You know what though? Might be gas. What felt really weird is I only tested it for five minutes when I took it off, the real world felt weird. My brain had already adapted to

Starting point is 00:30:47 the to that virtual world. Yeah. To the point when I took it off, I had to to adjust to the real world for a second. Now do you predict and then we're going to see some unintended consequences? Hold on a minute. Oh, you think so. Oh, yeah. I mean, 100%. Just like you will with anything that's mass adopted that we didn't evolve using. I don't know what those unintended consequences, I mean, I could guess, but I think it's gonna be there's some equilibrium things in the future. I mean, you and I both felt like we were fine afterwards, but then again, we-

Starting point is 00:31:13 But the time length, I think, might make a difference. I mean, you gotta remember, this is getting in the hands of kids who will mock out on this thing for nine hours straight. And so- That's the bad one. I don't know what that looks like. Hey, speaking of tech, did you guys see that Sony is releasing

Starting point is 00:31:27 an electric car? What? Sony, electric car and a SUV concert of the PlayStation. Yeah, so the electric car market, you're getting all these tech companies are entering the market, right? Apple is talking about it, Sony, who else was saying that they were gonna do it?

Starting point is 00:31:44 Obviously, have Tesla. We have all the major car manufacturers. And all the major car manufacturers. What, this is interesting. Like the car market hasn't been, you know, long the car market has been like the same damn companies for sale. Did you know that for nine years straight

Starting point is 00:31:56 that GM has been the number one car sold in the US? 90 years straight. It was just disrupted this year. Wow, who beat it? Toyota. Oh wow. Toyota. First time in 90 years that it out was just disrupted this year. Wow, who beat it Toyota? Oh wow Toyota first time in 90 years that it it outsold outsold outsold I wasn't for the only one that didn't have to take any money, you know from oh The bailouts happen. That's a good. That's a good point. Yeah

Starting point is 00:32:17 It's a GM definitely to go. Yeah, but and they had a big comeback this last year, too It's it's really getting weird and then BMW unveiled a car that changes color with the touch of a button. What? What? Yes. Maybe Doug can find it. So it's like it's an LED screen or something?

Starting point is 00:32:36 No, it's the paint. No, it's the paint. Yes, it changed the paint guy. I've seen communion paint, but it's because of the way the sun reflects. No, he's talking about it it has to be LED, Sal, it can't be real paint. Same people fucking also spray paints itself. No, it's not the same kind of paint, but it's paint.

Starting point is 00:32:51 I would, it's got to be some sort of a LED screen. Maybe Doug can find this, because it looked very, very, it was very interesting, the way that it changed. Well, I mean, does that make sense? So it would be like a big monitor. It's just that the outside is like you have video. I don't know. I got a link for it right here, Doug.

Starting point is 00:33:08 If you haven't found it yet, and I'll send it over to you. And you can check this out. I can blow my mind because it, yeah. But it literally went from white to black. And it changed, it just changed. And it's not like a bunch of screens surrounding the car. It's like Wally. It looks like a normal car. Blue is the new red.

Starting point is 00:33:25 It was very interesting. So now think about that, right? You have a car that has five colors that you could change. Well, what car is it that has the big solar panel on the top of the car? Is it a solar panel? Yeah, it looks like a, I know there's a car that's been made

Starting point is 00:33:38 that has a solar panel on top. And it looks like just normal glass or, I'm assuming. Doug, can you put a display? It's a fairly very temperature sensitive. Watch this, watch. Oh, it's temperature sensitive. Watch.

Starting point is 00:33:51 And it, oh, it's like the mood ring stuff. You know, like, we're gonna be here. Yeah, but look how much it changes. So do you see that? So do they heat? That's what it is. It's got a heat up. The heat is very serious.

Starting point is 00:34:01 Look at it, black to white. Did you see that? And that's like the worst of black. I don't see black. In the beginning, now you see the paint's going all the way is very good. Look at black to white. Did you see that? And that's like the worst of black. I don't see black. In the beginning, it should now, now you see the paints going all the way through the car. Isn't that wild? Just to show how easily it changes and conflictuate.

Starting point is 00:34:13 Yeah, it's gotta be like the mood rings, right? Were they, were they changed the color? I think it's just kinda technology than the mood ring from the 1960s. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it's dim from that. Yeah, it's, it's, it's,

Starting point is 00:34:24 that's what it all started. It got better. What's next, the pet rock car? Yeah, let's go off of 60s tech or whatever. Yeah, dude, it's really interesting what we're going to see you this next decade, I think. Interesting. A lot of stuff. So I wanted to do something real quick on the show.

Starting point is 00:34:38 I wanted to clarify a few things that we've said in past episodes, because there's been a little bit of confusion, I'd say. One of them has to do with a recent episode where we said, don't try to burn more calories manually as a strategy to lose weight, okay? A lot of people took that as a St. Cardio's bad, and that's not a good thing. Here's the reality, studies will show this that without dietary changes,

Starting point is 00:35:03 just trying to burn calories, this doesn't work very effectively at all. And then number two, the adaptation stuff that we were talking about, cardiovascular activity over time by itself as the sole primary form of exercise along with a caloric restriction, results in a slower metabolism.

Starting point is 00:35:19 This is proven time and time again. In studies, this is why we said resistance training is a better option because it speeds up the metabolism up. That is not saying that cardio is not healthy. There are health benefits regardless of those adaptations. And it doesn't mean you shouldn't do that kind of stuff. We never not say that. I know.

Starting point is 00:35:35 I just want to clarify, this is so annoying to me because I feel like we have to cover this everywhere. It's the knee jerk people. I was just talking about how I'm doing cardio. I'm boxing for cardio right now. I felt like no one's anti cardio. It's just that so how I'm doing cardio. I'm boxing for cardio right now. It's not like no one's anti cardio. It's just that so many people use it incorrectly. They apply it with the idea that it is a good way

Starting point is 00:35:52 to get fat loss. It is not, it's not a good strategy. It's a terrible strategy. And the people that want to come on here and argue all the fucking time with all the people that are addicted to cardio, fuck outta here with that. You know, saying that, that's why I'm talking about this.

Starting point is 00:36:04 That's not a question about this. Well, no, we talk about this so much and I'm passionate about it because I believe we all would agree that this was like one of the biggest mistakes that clients would make. Is they would go to lose weight, they would go from the holidays, cause it's perfect time to have this conversation.

Starting point is 00:36:20 They would go from these holidays, eat over-consuming, eating shitty food, being lazy, lazy watching TV sit by the fire Now it's New Year's resolution. I need to lose 30 pounds. What's the first thing they do reduce their calories and get on a treadmill? That's it fucking terrible half bad. That's a bad strategy and the studies show that a good chunk and some studies show half the weight loss This muscle that's that's because your body is adapting to this new Stimulus and making you more efficient at that particular. Much better strategy. And at the end of this strategy,

Starting point is 00:36:48 cardio can definitely come in and play a nice role. Plus, and it's also healthy. So that we're not saying don't do it because it's unhealthy, it's, it makes- In general, it's healthy. You know, like activity, like making sure that you have enough activity throughout the day is the main thing.

Starting point is 00:37:02 Listen, if you're happy with your body composition, okay, if you're happy with your body composition, if you're happy where it's at currently, hell yes, do cardio. Enjoy it, do it, it's good for you. But if you're somebody who's trying to change body composition and your method of doing so is cardio, it's stupid, it's terrible.

Starting point is 00:37:18 I'm gonna continue to say that on this podcast because we've trained enough people that that is one of the first mistakes that everybody makes when they get back towards getting an effect. There you go. And the second thing I wanted to clarify was on the episode about the eight worst people to take advice from.

Starting point is 00:37:32 And the first category was doctors. It was a couple of people that DM me, doctors are, you know, this, to clarify, doctors are amazing at their field, at their specific field. So you talk to a hormone doctor, they're incredible. You talk to a doctor that deals with the brain, they're incredible in that particular category. Now there are medical professionals that are professionals in diet nutrition.

Starting point is 00:37:56 They know a lot about diet nutrition. But generally speaking, doctors who are experts in other fields know very little about nutrition, but the danger is that we assume that they know a lot because they of the appeal to authority because their authorities We assume that they must know what they're talking about and also dietary changes to be successful Require consistent coaching along the way. So it's not just here. Do this. It works It's do you get that coaching and doctors just don't do that, that's not what they're supposed to do. So, there's a second thing.

Starting point is 00:38:26 Well, I mean, and again, we did clarify that in that episode. It's just people like conveniently see the title or see us list things out and then they don't hear it all the way through. Well, listen, I mean, the audience that's been listening for a long time knows that about us. We've already covered this a thousand different ways. And really what ends up happening is we title things

Starting point is 00:38:45 that are controversial so we can get more looks, more views, and then we can explain what we're talking about to benefit us on YouTube. That's the fact, right? So we say things that we, like that is gonna spark people to listen and get. That's true, but we say it in a way that you're gonna get to attention.

Starting point is 00:39:00 But what ends up happening when you do that, you get so many new, thousands of new people that are listening to us for the first time. And then we listen to all they hear is that one sound by it. And then they assume a lot and they get on there. Totally. Keyboard, keyboard, keyboard warriors and start firing away a bunch of stupid stuff. Now one more thing. We had talked about Caldera. It's one of our sponsors a while ago and talked about the serum and the moisturizer. And we said, put the moisturizer on before the serum, it's the other way around.

Starting point is 00:39:27 Serum before moisturizer. I had like 10, what are they called? Aceticians? DM me? I was like, no, no, oil and then moisturize, not the other way around. Now what is actually Caldera say on the website, Doug? They say something, they say like a morning and a night routine and they have it. Yes.

Starting point is 00:39:43 Right. So the morning you used to clean slate, which is the cleanser. Yeah, which is. And you follow that up with the base layer, which is the cream. In the evening you used to clean slate, the cleaner, the cleanser, and then you follow it up with the serum.

Starting point is 00:39:57 So not at the same time. Not at the same time. However, if you go to cosmopolitan. Well, they got the best of the best of them. Yeah. Then with the two. They say start with your cleanser and they have a big list. However, if you go to cosmopolitan, well, they got the best of us to material. Yeah. They say, start with your cleanser and they have a big list. They have eight things you can do in the,

Starting point is 00:40:11 do people order, do all eight of them. So it's cleanser toner, serums, eye cream, spot treatments, moisturizer, face oil, sunscreen, so if we break it down for caldera, exfoliator, it'll be cleanser, serum, moisturizer. Wow, look at that. That all that stuff they recommend to put on your face. Why is beauty so complicated?

Starting point is 00:40:31 It's a very powerful market. It's a lot of work to stay beautiful. Hey, hold on a second. Hold on, you know what I'm gonna compare to that? Actually, no. Like the supplement market for, yes, for free. Is that one to build a capsule?

Starting point is 00:40:41 Tattoo to all these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same thing. Here's your morning supplements. Here's your pre-workout, intro workout, post workout and then take patchy to all these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same thing. Here's your morning supplements. Here's your pre-workout, intro workout, post workout, and then take this before you go to bed. You got all these different. So that's why I could never talk crap to somebody

Starting point is 00:40:53 who uses all this stuff. Because if they know me, they'll be like, they're like, I mud mask, I serum, I exfoliate. The person who did correct me, it did make sense because they're saying that the oil opens up the pores and you don't want to walk around and leave it like that. So you don't do this. Oh, you mean the cleans oil opens up the pores and you don't want to walk around and leave it like that. So you don't do this. Oh, you mean the cleanser opens up the pores?

Starting point is 00:41:08 No, no, no, because they say serum first and then the moisturizer, right? I think it's to fill in to make sure the pores have oil, to fill in, and then the moisturizer on top. Seals it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what it is. Keeping it open is what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:41:22 It doesn't seal it, so the moisturizer is supposed to seal. Is that what's going on? I think so. Yeah. Wait until my foot feels like you're the prettiest face. So you should be all the beauty. Well, thank you for that. Although yours is now, look at that, dude. But you've been using it the longest.

Starting point is 00:41:33 I have. It's shiny. You know what I mean? It's glowing. Yeah, it looks very good. Are you pregnant? Hey, you guys see the stats on Joe Rogan? What's going on?

Starting point is 00:41:42 Do you see all the hubbub that's going on? Right now. About his downloads? He gets 11 million, I gotta bring this up 11 million per episode episode makes me feel like a punk. I just shared our four million downloads in a month a month Yeah, it gets it gets 11 per episode Yeah, episode can can can can someone pull that up. There was an actual like Yeah, I want to yeah, cuz I saw the graph versus like mainstream media and like all the like ABC CBS MSNBC Fox All that stuff like and it was it just dwarfed all of them combined right?

Starting point is 00:42:14 He's so much bigger than all of them. Maybe Doug can find which is funny because they're they're coming after him right now Which I think is really balsy. Yeah, they're going after me wait. They're going after him because I think is really balsy. Yeah, they're going after him. It doesn't have any weight. They're going after him because he does a lot of the counter narrative stuff, lately, especially around COVID, which by the way, pay attention. The media and the politicians are now doing a 180.

Starting point is 00:42:35 They're reversing some of the stuff they said. Did you know the CDC now says, go back to work, even if you test positive so long as you don't have symptoms. Yeah. And they also say, There five days in the pandemic. Yeah, maybe, maybe we can double check just to make sure this is correct. They also said that five, five day quarantine no longer 10 day. People representatives have said cloth masks are a total waste.

Starting point is 00:42:58 Sorry, we're not going to control even seeing an ice up with something out there about cloth masks. You're not being a fake dude. But that says five to seven million. No, that's million. There was an actual picture chart that showed, you know, what the downloads were. But anyway, he dwarfs mainstream media with the amount of views, completely dwarfs mainstream media.

Starting point is 00:43:19 And they're going after him. They don't like him because he doesn't really bow to, no, okay, bad strategy, smart strategy. What do you think? To go after him from the mainstream media, well, I mean, I think to maintain relevancy, they're gonna have to come out. Yeah, the more I think about it,

Starting point is 00:43:37 I was sitting here talking, I'm thinking, you know what, it's just like the media going after Trump. Trump has such a large pool of people paying attention to him that going after him makes headlines. So going after Joe Rogan because of his pool and how big he is, is probably, first thing that I was-

Starting point is 00:43:51 First thing that I was gonna vilify, am I guarantee it? Because he's getting too much attention. Look at this. So this is according to Nielsen and Spotify. So this is viewers per show, 11 million for Rogan. The next closest is Tucker Carlson at 3 million. Okay, that's how much bigger he is in the next guy. Which is another real controversial show.

Starting point is 00:44:08 Look at CNN, go to the bottom, CNN Prime Time, under 1 million. Wow. I feel like we could hang with some of these big name ones right here. Dude, he's so big, they can't touch him, going after him, I think is a losing strategy. Just shows you how much media is changing, right? Totally. There's a major shift there. Major, major shift, it's really crazy Totally. There's a major shift there. Major major shift, it's really crazy and it's a predictor of kind of future things to come.

Starting point is 00:44:31 These are the people that are going to be controlling. I don't want to say controlling, but the gatekeepers to the narrative. They have the lines. I'd love to see the moderate sort of views be propelled past all these extremist ideas. And speaking of the narrative, the other study came out showing that weight loss is really helps with the potential severe symptoms of COVID. There was a study that showed that severely obese people

Starting point is 00:44:54 who had gastric bypass, not even the healthiest way to lose weight. So gastric bypass, 60% reduction in severe COVID symptoms or potential of all these. So they're gonna be put, they're gonna be pushing the weight loss, I think now, as a big thing or fitness and health finally. Welcome to our world.

Starting point is 00:45:12 Oh no. Did you guys know that Joe's actually a sponsor to partner it up with Butcherbox too? You know that, we share a couple of sponsorships and he's been with them for a long time. Dude, I did the slow cooker pork butt in the other day. Unbelievable. I know you guys do it all the time. No, in the other day. Unbelievable. I know you guys do it all the time.

Starting point is 00:45:26 Yeah, Doug does that all the time. Yeah, Doug does that one all the time. I've done it, but Courtney's the one that does that. Okay, so we did it. So we do it, I don't know all of the steps, but I know that Jessica cut it in a few pieces, it's big, right? You get this big old pork butt, which is not the butt. By the way, that's the shoulder.

Starting point is 00:45:41 No, it's the shoulder, yeah. Yeah, I don't know what a pork butt. That's such bad PR. Let's name the shoulder of the butt. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, they call it a pork butt. That's such bad PR. Let's name the shoulder of the butt. Doesn't make any sense. Yeah, they call it that. I have no idea why. Nobody has the history on that?

Starting point is 00:45:49 No, I'll look it up. It's good with it, duh. Yeah. So anyway, we cut it up into just a few big chunks. We really shunned it and put it in tacos. Well, what we did is we seared it in the cast iron. So it was seared on all sides. And then we threw it in there with a little bit of,

Starting point is 00:46:01 I think bone broth and olive oil. We insulted it the whole thing. Oh man, it fell off. Literally, we picked it up and there was a bone in there. It fell bit of, I think bone broth and olive oil, we insulted it the whole thing. Oh man, it fell off, literally we picked it up and there was a bone in there, it fell right off. And it was so good, we made tacos. That sounds like a great idea. Really good. Super, super delicious.

Starting point is 00:46:13 That I haven't done, that would do that. That actually sounds like a real... Yeah, Corey makes those for us all the time. It's really, really good. Really, really good stuff. Adam, you mentioned a documentary a while ago that I finally watched, the alpinist. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:26 Finally. Have you guys seen this? No, I cut like a little bit and it just was like, I mean, my hair stands straight up when watching this guy cry. You're gonna watch whole faces. I was like, holy shit. Dude, I didn't get that.

Starting point is 00:46:38 Why do people like this exist? I mean, it's that whole frontal, yeah, I think they need a dread, they don't produce adrenaline and have to. How for something like that? So, do you remember, what was the guy's name, the guy who did free solo? Alex, Alex, Moze, Alex.

Starting point is 00:46:55 Alex, Huddled, Huddled. Something like that, right? And it was crazy to watch him climb, El Capitan or whatever the face, nothing, right? Something like nobody can do. That's how his reaction was like, okay, that's how I found out about this was Alex was the one who talked about him being this up and coming.

Starting point is 00:47:10 Kig his kids only like 25. Mark something. Yeah, he was only like 25 years old. This guy, okay, free soloed, a fricking mountain, the snowy icy mountain. Yeah. And he not only is climbing the mountain, he's climbing the ice, so no ropes, ice. So he's no ropes, nothing.

Starting point is 00:47:25 So he's going up. The maniac. He's climbing it and then changing it. There's a big ice waterfall. That's how I got to get up. Then he pulls out gear, changes his shoes while he's on the freaking mountain and then climbs the freaking ice and switches off.

Starting point is 00:47:37 Like what he did makes like rock climbing. Yeah, that's for, you know, basic people. Oh, I'm gonna do it on ice. I couldn't believe it. There was one that he had to climb. I can't remember what it was. It was like one of the biggest peaks, I don't remember where. Snow, ice, whatever.

Starting point is 00:47:51 He was waiting for a break in the weather. He goes up, almost makes it to the top, gets hit by a blizzard. Yeah. Has to scale down. He's been on the side of a mountain, barely hanging on. No ropes or anything like that. And you get hit on the blizzard. This is me, exciting. He did. And you're on like one of the like craziest mountains that. And you get hit on the fizz. It's just me, exciting dude.

Starting point is 00:48:05 And you're on like one of the craziest mountains that no one else could climb on like a regular day. Oh my God dude. Oh dude, that's, that's not, no I've been watching my favorite dude soap opera. What? Yeah, yeah, a cober guy. Oh, it literally is a soap opera, you guys.

Starting point is 00:48:21 Just talking about how, it's so cheesy. How bad it is, but then how much I keep coming back. If it wasn't so much. It's so nostalgic for Karate Kid, I wouldn't watch it, but because I grew up with Karate Kid. Dude, I love the throwback. Oh, I guess this is one episode where, so basically Danny and Johnny,

Starting point is 00:48:38 they both have to train each other's methods. It is so funny. Is it really? Yes, everything is so cheesy and the acting is, you know, it is what it is. It's not very great, but you just get into it because you love these characters and then they still have all the cheesy fighting, you know, moves that like, you know, after watching the UFC and then watching Karate Kid moves, you're just like, face palm. Yeah. Like it's awful. I mean, like Doug said, I think you're so true. I think Johnny makes that show, right? It's because all the political,

Starting point is 00:49:12 all the politically incorrect stuff that he says. Like I feel they did a really good job of doing that, especially in this climate right now where everybody's so team, everyone's going woke in the other direction and trying to be so PC. It's like, let's throw this character in there that is the complete opposite of that, and I think they do a good job of making a light of it and having fun with it, and so that's enjoyable to me. I think the way it's written is character. You make sense, Danny, up to get his ass kicked,

Starting point is 00:49:35 bro, these guys playing hockey. Yeah, I love this. It's funny, I hated them in the original Crotic, he was a dick, growing up and watching it. I was a big Johnny fan. Oh my God, of course he worked. Yeah, oh, you what you when I watched it you guys watch that actually enjoyed was the The new Marvel on the Shanghai Shanghai. Oh, shing chi. Yeah, good, huh? Yeah, it was good. Yeah very Yeah, did you know either no? I was the one that brought it up. Yeah, yeah, I just finally watched it what's funny too?

Starting point is 00:50:02 Yeah, it was good all around but um Yeah, I just finally watched it. What's the, too? Yeah, it was good all around, but what is that? Like all the different worlds and characters and animals. Like what is like, like, like, Narnie. It's like fantasy. Yeah, like fantasy. It was very fantasy.

Starting point is 00:50:14 It was not what I expected from like a traditional kind of Marvel movie, but it was good. It was, and he's a cool superhero. He's a fun one. Yeah, if you read about him in the comic books, he's a pretty cool superhero. Yeah, I didn't even know about all these different characters.

Starting point is 00:50:29 It's such a big, expansive universe. You know, that's why, you know, part of the theory on why Disney, I mean, it's so brilliant on Disney to buy the rights to Marvel and Star Wars and then to build all these. It's almost endless content. Oh, it is.

Starting point is 00:50:42 And then so smart because there's cult-like falling for both. Marvel and Star Wars. You're talking about millions of people. And that in itself will solidify them as one of the number one streaming services. And then they remember when they announced last year, they're gonna do, there's a ton that are coming down here.

Starting point is 00:50:57 How would you love to see DC's box office numbers versus Marvel? That's close, right? DC, nowhere. However, right? DC nowhere, like, yeah. However, on an individual basis, DC, Batman is like, DC's got the, Well, Batman's awesome.

Starting point is 00:51:12 I think that was their only, like, gold mine. What else do they do good? I'm gonna do even good, I'll be careful. Well, the last thing that they did that was just cinematically just excellent was the Joker. That was, and I'll tell you what, you know what,

Starting point is 00:51:24 and here's a thing, those were all good. And here's a thing that's, that's Batman's too, I feel like that's all. It is, yeah, you know what I'm saying? It is, but it's DC, right? But what they still haven't fully captured, and I hope they do, if you read the comic books, the DC comic books,

Starting point is 00:51:36 the Joker is beyond maniacal and evil. He's like a really Satan, I mean, that's what the model is. Terrible, terrible person. Like if they really capture that in a movie, it's gonna be a horror movie. Like it's gonna be like science of lambs. That's the Joker in the comic books.

Starting point is 00:51:50 And they kind of, I don't you feel like they kind of set the table for that in that last one where he just is tortured inside and kind of starts to make sense why he's this kind of person. Yes, yes. But that's it though. I mean, I would consider that Batman still.

Starting point is 00:52:02 Even though it's Joker, it's within the Batman story. Is there any other DC ones? Like the Watchman sucked like watchman was good? Oh, I thought it sucked What I thought was pretty good. Did you like it? I wanted to like it. No. Yeah, I wanted to like it too I thought it sucked out. No, no It's like a lot of that stuff though Following Doug will step in Those of you on YouTube if you like watch me No, it's it's it got good reviews

Starting point is 00:52:27 And it's got like a cult like following well. Yeah, I mean, I think both DC and Marvel have that cult like falling So you're always gonna get some people that are fanatic how the spider-man work Sony owns them But moat but Disney owns Marvel like has that all work out because doesn't Sony own spot Is it just the spider-man alone? The strange marriage that they do like how does that work? I didn't even know Sony was involved in Spider-Man. Yes. Oh really? Uh-huh.

Starting point is 00:52:50 Is that true Doug? It says yeah, 1999 Sony acquired the film rights to the character. Yeah, but how does that work? Is that the only thing Sony has the rights to as far as characters? Is that like a like a I didn't even know that was that for their interest in making video games initially? Oh, probably. That's a good that's a good theory Yeah, so you endro over there's waving his finger. He knows is that why is that what it was? Yeah, oh I see

Starting point is 00:53:16 So Disney has not but then they do the Marvel movies with Spider-Man So they must pay Sony to use the character's memory Yeah, so Sony holds the rights to Spider-Man instead of Disney So that's why they don't appear on Disney plus Oh, that's interesting. I didn't is that the only one that Sony owes as they have they acquired any other characters like Venom Venom sucked. I watched it. Yeah, it wasn't good And made me sad because in the comic books Venom is also terribly evil This is yeah, and this is one of those I think it just doesn't translate well in film like well

Starting point is 00:53:49 You have to be careful you're giving it to kids. So there's probably a fine dance, right? I've like okay, how evil we're gonna make it so evil. It's like a rated R movie and kids can't watch Your office are so cheesy though like you just don't you don't buy into it. No. At all. No. All right, so real quick, I gotta say this. I went and looked up like crazy news. You guys might hear something ridiculous. This is a true story.

Starting point is 00:54:11 There was a Chinese couple who could not conceive for years, went to a fertility doctor and the fertility doctor was able to figure out why they weren't conceiving. And this is a true story. You ready for this? Oh, okay. They were only doing anal sex. Jeez. Shut up.

Starting point is 00:54:29 I swore to God, this is the truth. And they didn't know. They didn't know. They were from China. They didn't know. I guess you're not sure it was in North Korea. No, I swear. And they were not doing it properly.

Starting point is 00:54:39 The doctor explained what to do. They went home in a month later. Come on, send me that article. You've got to be more to this story, right? It's the story. That's the story Is this how over there? Okay, listen was it is this the guys idea? Yeah, no honey. I'm sure it's this one. Oh, it's just so weird. It's not working. I'm sure I've been doing this wrong the whole time. It's that I don't want to have I don't want to have Can't it's a ultimate hustle. Let's just make this happy like come on doc like you know you got my back here

Starting point is 00:55:09 Right did you find an article about it back? Yes, I did but this is back in 2018. Yeah, so with the old news Yeah, right new me yeah, four years dude. She's like you can't have butt baby four years four years He was he was having butt sex with her, and she was not figuring this out, dude. The woman admitted that sex was unusually painful. Ha ha ha ha. Wow. Wow, you're like, that's how it always starts.

Starting point is 00:55:37 Wow. I mean, how naive do you have to be, like sexually... Why are you pretty damn naive? They're young. They're okay, how young were they? They're in the 20s, dude. 26 and 24. They're young. They okay, how young were they? They're in the 20s, dude. 26 and 24.

Starting point is 00:55:46 Well, I mean, let's shelter your kids. This isn't so outside the scope because you know, there's still that whole thing of like, I'm still a virgin. Yeah, but you know you don't get pregnant. Yeah, but I mean, but you're doing that intentionally, right? Like, and so I remember girls when we were in school

Starting point is 00:56:02 that were, you know, we're virgins, but then they had anal sex, right? We knew who they were. They were very popular. They were very popular. They were. They were.

Starting point is 00:56:14 Who was it that brought up that way that I guess there's these Mormon kids are having sex? So apparently it's against the rules for them to do so they go in and then they hold it. Yeah, they don't pump. Yeah, yeah. That's what it, yeah. That's what it God, I don't know they call it, but that's what it's like.

Starting point is 00:56:33 There's actually a term for it. Yeah, they do long, there is something out, they do some other stuff too. They do a bunch, they've found some creative ways. That's what I'm saying. If you make, if you make, you make, you make rules around sex, kids are gonna find a way to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I was a kid, right? So I was a virgin school, but I was doing all the other stuff. And it's just, when you're a kid and you brought up in a religion like that, where it's called

Starting point is 00:56:47 soaking, Justin. Yeah, I know. It's soaking. Yes, I knew there was a name for it. Yeah. Okay. Hey, babe, you want to soak? Let's get those super soakers out.

Starting point is 00:56:57 Hey, one of our favorite partners is Organified. They make plans for the kids. They make plans for the kids. They make plans for the kids. They make plans for the kids. They make. Yeah. Okay. Hey, baby, what a soak. Let's get those super soakers out. Hey, one of our favorite partners is organified. They make plant-based supplements that are organic for athletic performance and health. One of my favorite products is pure. It improves cognitive function is good for the brain. It contains compounds like lion mane. I also like their green juice. So if you miss your vegetable servings through the day you can drink the green juice and it's a decent substitute

Starting point is 00:57:29 They also have plant-based protein powders and much more great company go check them out and get a discount Head over to mindpumppartners.com find or GANIFI and then use the code mind pump for 20% off Well, here comes the rest of the show Our first caller is Garrett from North Carolina. What's up Garrett, how can we help you? Hey, so I have a question about hydration. You guys have talked about it a lot and just the benefits behind it,

Starting point is 00:57:57 but I'm talking specifically during a workout. I see guys in the gym have those full gallon jugs or have those Amazon bot ones, the giant lids, and they're chugging them between sets. And I personally only go to the fountain maybe two, three times during a workout, and it's not even me feeling like I need water. It's just, I'll have a second or two,

Starting point is 00:58:16 I should go take a quick drink and come back. And so I didn't know if there was something during a workout I was missing with these guys that are chugging this water or if what the meaning behind that was. Yeah, no, good question. So here's an easy test to see if you have enough hydration. If you're urine is salty,

Starting point is 00:58:32 nah, I'm just kidding. Don't do that. No, it's the color. No, no, no, no, here's a deal. Hydration makes a huge difference. You know, some of the first studies done on adequate hydration and athletic performance were actually, well, not first studies,

Starting point is 00:58:46 but one of the most popular studies was done at a University of Florida where they were giving their athletes sodium infused, electrolyte infused water with a little bit of sugar, and they saw this dramatic improvement in performance. This later on turned into gatorade. This is where the name gator comes from, gatorade from University of Florida.

Starting point is 00:59:07 It actually makes a huge difference, but here's the thing, you gotta make sure that your electrolyte balance is good as well, because if you just drink a bunch of water, and you don't have enough sodium, sodium is one of the most important electrolytes for sweating athletes, it's not gonna do a whole lot, you can actually start to reduce your performance.

Starting point is 00:59:23 So try something like this, Garrett. If you're working out and you're sweating a lot and you're drinking, make sure you drink water, make sure there's some, maybe a little bit of sea salt in your water or even better element. T is a company we work with that has an electrolyte powder that has adequate amounts of sodium. And had you asked me this question a year ago,

Starting point is 00:59:42 I would have answered it maybe a little bit differently. The big difference now is I've actually tried Elemente which actually has a thousand milligrams of sodium in a packet, and I noticed a big difference. And I always thought was my, as someone of myself to be well hydrated. So, give it a shot. I would pour one of those packets in, you know,

Starting point is 01:00:03 a nice big bottle of water, maybe two times the size of a normal bottle of water, and drink half at the beginning of the workout, and then drink the rest or in the workout, and see if you get a better pump and better performance. So far, the messages I've been getting from people is, they do see a big difference. And again, the studies do support that.

Starting point is 01:00:20 Well, I think the benefits, but aside from the help of it, if it's right, the keeping the joints lubricated, I told you before when I was feeling that thing in my quad that was always popping, and then I started drinking that made a huge difference, energy level. So obviously there's health benefits to you drinking adequate water, but my favorite part about that

Starting point is 01:00:38 was what you're talking about with the pump. I remember when I started carrying that jug around, and I made it like a goal, I would get a half gallon down before I even went into my workout and then I'd end up doing another quarter to a half gallon during my workout. I had better pumps from the water than I did from any other Supplement, in-0, to explode or any subcreative, any other supplement that I've taken. I got a better pump from just making sure I was hydrated

Starting point is 01:01:05 like that. So I love that in itself and that played into better workouts. Well, yeah, I also, from a performance perspective, I noticed, well, like what's out of saying in terms of having electrolytes and that being a real advantage in terms of performance, but also, I remember that one study

Starting point is 01:01:24 where they're talking about cooling your core temperature. And so that has to play a bit of a factor in there as well in terms of having a cool water to bring your core temperature down to recover a bit more effectively. So that was something that I did notice if I was constantly hydrating, whenever I'd had time off the field

Starting point is 01:01:44 and it was nice and cold, it did kind of bring me back. Now along those lines though, Justin, isn't it recommended that you do lukewarm or room-tipature water, not ice cold water? Better to be absorbed, but there's this perceived, I guess improvement and performance, and maybe some of it's anecdotal when people will drink cold, right?

Starting point is 01:02:02 Especially if you're hot. That's what I'm careful about. I'm pretty sure it's anecdotal at this point, but for me, when I had it just a bit colder than, say, you know, my internal temperature, I was able to bring that down a bit and felt more recovered. Yeah, Garrett, I would say experiment,

Starting point is 01:02:17 see how you feel. And you'll probably notice an improvement in just how you feel and performance-wise. I would always recommend my clients, you know, drink water before and after. The longer your workouts are, the hotter you get during a workout, the more that you sweat. All three of those things mean you're going to need more hydration than somebody that's not experiencing those things. So if you have a short workout and that's sweating a ton, it's not really hot. It's not going to make as big of a difference. But if it's a long workout, man

Starting point is 01:02:45 I tell you, you'll notice a profound improvement in your performance by making sure that you're adequately hydrated. Gotcha. I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. Garrett. Thanks for calling in. Absolutely. Yeah, this is this is one that I ignored for a long time. Yeah, like water, let me take a supplement. You know what I mean? Let me eat more carbs. And it made such a huge difference that it's one of those things you look back and you wanna slap yourself. Like, why didn't I do this simple thing?

Starting point is 01:03:14 Well, the other thing that I like too is just most people I would train didn't get enough water in their day. So when I had to have somebody, just like we talk about protein, like when people start tracking and paying attention, they realize like, oh shit, I guess I don't drink that much water.

Starting point is 01:03:28 I don't eat that much protein. And what I've found is when you're working out and you're sweating and getting hot, and you have little rest breaks in between every set, that's actually one of the best times to be able to hit your water intake glyph of the day. And so I found that having a client carry a half gallon or one of those leader bottles or something

Starting point is 01:03:47 into their workout and setting a goal to chip in a way at a bulk of that during the workout, they were more likely to hit their water goals in the day. And so I think there's huge value just in that alone. This is one of those pieces of advice or one of those topics where we were advised as kids so opposite. It's ridiculous.

Starting point is 01:04:07 We weren't allowed like water breaks just because of the mental toughness and discipline aspect that was crazy because, you know, like just going back and kind of revisiting that, I just noticed like how much better my joints felt to your point about lubricating and just like retaining the amount of water, if you retain like proper amount of water in your cells, you perform better. It's a fact. It's a fact and I was even worse for me. I remember specifically being told by PE teachers, oh, you have a side stitch or a cramp. Don't drink water.

Starting point is 01:04:37 It makes it worse. Like the opposite of what you should do. Oh, you're getting a side stitch because you drink too much water before running the mile or whatever. As a kid, I'm like, okay, I should not drink any water while I run. So ridiculous. Our next caller is Felix from Louisiana. Felix, what's going on, man? How can we help you? Hey, first off, I wanted to say thank y'all. I really appreciate the opportunity to ask you all this question. But one of the questions I wanted to ask you is I'm kind of running through the maps aesthetics right now.

Starting point is 01:05:06 And the program does take a good bit of time. About 90 minutes, if I do all of the movements and exercises and sets and so forth. And I currently am a data for. And so time is not a lot of it. So I'm trying to condense the workouts down. And I was wondering if using supersets is something that is recommended or or you can do in a

Starting point is 01:05:31 Maps program and I've seen some of the programs and only a few use supersets so they use Agonist supersets not antagonist and so forth And so I was just kind of interested to see which I thoughts were to cut down on time, length of the program, or just removing movements altogether. So it's curious about supersetting exercises in the programs. I know you don't ideally want to edit programs. So yeah, no, well, actually, ideally, you do want to modify programs to fit your individual body and needs. However, it's a good idea to go through the programs first, the way that they're laid out, and then start to,

Starting point is 01:06:09 because here's a deal, we create programs for the masses. So it's never going to be as good as an individualized workout. That being said, you got to figure it out and learn how your body responds, and don't just change the programming on the fly, because anytime you change the programming, you run the programming, you run the risk of making the program less effective. Again, that being said, you might be in a situation

Starting point is 01:06:30 where you gotta do that anyway. And so it's okay sacrificing some of the programming because it just doesn't work with your schedule. Hey, kids are more important. Yeah, so that's okay. I would say this, you're probably better off just shortening the rest times overall rather than doing super sets.

Starting point is 01:06:46 Super setting is more of a program change than cutting some of the rest period short. You could also try something like this. Maps aesthetic is a three full body day workout and then you have focus sessions. You could try saving some of the exercises for the focus sessions. That's what I would do.

Starting point is 01:07:03 I mean, the focus sessions are only like 20, 30 minutes long. So what I've done with clients that don't want to miss anything that's in the program is, hey, take two or three of those exercises on the foundational days, move them over to your focus days, and then you'll still end up hitting everything you want. Also, the reason why too, I think Sal's not recommending to superset right now because that might be an option in another program. This program actually has that. So I think it's phase three.

Starting point is 01:07:28 Yeah, it is. Phase three, you're going to get into a lot of Super Sets and the idea is that you, it's novel when you get into that so you don't want to be doing it for the entire program, not that we couldn't. And then the other thing is also, I don't know if you have any other programs, but there's other programs that are probably a little more conducive for, you know, a dad who's got a lot on his play. Well, let's fall you, man.

Starting point is 01:07:48 Yeah, and I mean, you can, you can build an incredible physique running Maps Antibolic, and that's only a three day a week type of a program. I just, I think we all tend to go towards the one that, you know, is the body builder inspired or changing aesthetics and then, you know, think that you need to train six days a week in the gym, and it's just not true.

Starting point is 01:08:04 I mean, I run more of an anabolic style routine most of the time. So there's nothing wrong with you, you know, switching out using the program or modifying it like we like, Sal said, or putting it on the focus days. I like that a lot. Yeah, I would just clear of like, yeah, changing the kind of adaptation we're seeking. So that's like, if we're doing superet, we have that intentionally in phase three. So you focus on that. But like in terms of, you know, if it's a time issue, you know, kind of scaling back

Starting point is 01:08:31 and maybe taking a bit of the volume out, but sticking with the same type of, you know, rest and rep range. Yeah, and now you did mention supersets with Agonist and antagonist. So, yeah, so my background stuff was a personal trainer for six, eight years and then I made a career change. And so I've always understood I think I've seen y'all talk about compound sets where supersets. My mind always was

Starting point is 01:08:57 supersets could be antagonist or agonist muscles. And so I was thinking with this more so not so much the same muscle groups but doing you know like a chest like a chest back for the sake of saving time. So that's more of what I was thinking. And you know, the reason why I chose maps black is because I've always been a performance-driven person sports athletics. And so I wanted to try something I've never I've never done any type of bodybuilding program. And so I wanted to try something different. Yeah, good. And that's why I chose this one. So, yeah. Well, Felix, okay, with considering your background, which means you know some stuff,

Starting point is 01:09:29 and what you said about antagonist supersets or otherwise known as maybe compoundsets, that's less of a program change than a superset for the same body part. Now that strategy at all. Yeah, so I do that sometimes. The only challenges your stamina, you know, might be a bit of an issue, but going from bench press

Starting point is 01:09:46 to barbell row is very different than bench press to fly, right, for the day. So you can definitely do that. You can definitely try that out. It doesn't change the programming or the adaptation nearly as much as a super set for the same body part. And again, I do that sometimes. We'll all go back chest, back chest, you know,

Starting point is 01:10:03 bicep tricep, bicep tricep, you know, type of deal. Okay. And as far as other programs go, just curious for a dad of four, what would be some of the other ones? Maybe you would recommend a run after this. Yeah, yeah. Maps out of all of them are Maps strong. I bet you would love Maps strong.

Starting point is 01:10:19 That is a great, that is such an underrated, great program for building muscle. With your athletic background too, I think you'll love it. Okay, okay. I appreciate that. Do you have access? By the way, do you have access to MapStrong? I'll just give it to you. I just purchased it during New Year.

Starting point is 01:10:33 So, what about Maps at a Balook? Let me give you something. What do you got? I do not have Maps. I do not have Maps in a Balook. For sure, because Anabolic is another great one. That's a three day routine. And being a busy dad myself, I tend to fall back on that one a lot. I think all of us do, to one. I mean, that's a three day routine. And, you know, being a busy dad myself, I tend to fall back on that one a lot.

Starting point is 01:10:46 I think all of us, dude, to be honest, I think that's a common program for all of us. Yeah, I'll send that over to you, all right. Well, I appreciate that, guys. Thanks Felix. All right, thank y'all. You got it. I like this question, because this is kind of,

Starting point is 01:11:01 this is, it was neat, because obviously he knew what he's doing, right? He's not like completely Newbie at all And I think we have the people of this idea that you have to follow the programs to a tee and You we actually and we don't say it as much We used to say a lot when we first started that we recommend that you modify you run through it one time as Close to it as possible and then you start to to modify it for you your body your time all these things and

Starting point is 01:11:29 Really all the suggestions that we said and he said none of them are wrong, right? You know, it's really just it's playing around with that and seeing what works best for you and you know Yes, the programs are our best. I think ran if you run it to a T But let's be odd none of us do that. I mean, nobody in here pulls out their phone and runs Maps and Obolic or aesthetic exactly how it's laid out. Most of us follow the programming

Starting point is 01:11:54 and then modify it a little bit how it is. Yeah, I think there's this conflict that people have, which is I want to do the most effective possible programming for my goal, but they don't put in their goal their lifestyle, which programming for my goal, but they don't put in their goal, their lifestyle, which well, my goal is also, I gotta be at it here in 60 minutes, maybe I'm more tired or I have pain in this particular joint,

Starting point is 01:12:15 or here's a muscle group I wanna develop a little bit more. That's all part of your goal. So modifying your workouts means optimizing your workout for all of that. Not just like what's the best for bodybuilding or what's the best for, you know, body sculpting or performance. You got to look at all of it and that's okay. There's trade-offs, but there's nothing wrong with that because like with Felix, you know, he's got, he doesn't have a lot of time. He's got kids. So that's part of it. So is he going to build less muscle

Starting point is 01:12:43 as a result? Maybe who cares? Like this is obviously important to him. So, is he going to build less muscle as a result? Maybe? Who cares? This is obviously important to him, so change the workout. Yeah, it kind of highlights one of those parts of our business that we started to work on and people don't really understand that we have modifications available to. If you have different types of pursuits and you want to be able to incorporate those within our main staple programs, we do have maps, mods and that's something that we are planning on expanding upon as well. But yeah, our intention was always to be able to integrate your specific needs and make

Starting point is 01:13:15 it more individualized the best we could. Our next color is Angela from New York. Angela, what's going on? Hi, how are you guys? Good, we're great. All right. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Angela from New York. Angela, what's going on? Hi, how are you guys? Good, we're great. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:13:28 So my question for you guys is, see if you could possibly explain the ideal number of exercises per workout. I just finished the aesthetic, which I loved, but I was a little surprised at how many exercises were in each full body, which I get it obviously you're doing everybody part you're hitting. But you see so many things online,

Starting point is 01:13:52 focus on the basic exercises get stronger at them so it's just looking for a little bit of more input on that. Is this your first program you're antivirus? Yeah. Now what did you do before this? How long were you consistent with your workouts before following Maps aesthetic? What did those look like? Like, how many days a week were you working out before? So, I've worked out five or six days a week for probably ten years maybe.

Starting point is 01:14:18 I've worked with a trainer. I've done, you know, fitness competition. I'm actually certified as a trainer, so I typically just do on my own programming, but I do, I've done split, I typically do a few full body days a week, but usually I would say like the cast stuff, the shrugs, things like that, on the smaller body part, I wasn't always including in my workout. Okay, now how were your results with aesthetic? Were you pleased with how your body responded and how you felt? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Yeah, and I want to ask those questions because sometimes people who follow like maps aesthetic for example they go for the program with more volume and it's not really the right program for them but being that you worked out

Starting point is 01:15:01 you've been working out for so long, consistently you competed, it sounds like, you said you're certified, so you know what you're doing, and it worked for you. I think that your answer's kind of right there, because the answer to this question is really hard, it really depends on who I'm talking to, and it depends on the performance and the results that they get.

Starting point is 01:15:20 Maps aesthetic includes three full body workouts that have a lot of volume, but that's only three workouts in the week. The other two workouts are these focus sessions that last like 20 minutes. So really, if you look at the total amount of volume, it's not crazy in comparison to other types of splits. Now, as far as total exercises in a workout,

Starting point is 01:15:41 again, that really does depend. You know, I know people say, oh, don't work out more than 45 minutes or an hour or whatever That's that's totally not true. It really does depend on the person and you really have to base it off of How you feel and how it's working for you and if it worked well for you and you got good results I think you're on the right track. Well, that's part of why the first question I asked was if you'd ran any other maps programs and a probably a better question is what Sal said which is asking you what your experience was and

Starting point is 01:16:09 Normally I would tell a client don't start on maps aesthetic. It's one of our highest volume programs And so we wrote them in the with the idea of people following Antibolic performance and then aesthetic so you know taking them almost nine months to actually get to that type of volumes They work up to it. But Like Sal said, you've been training for your your an exception to the rule war if you are a client of mine So yeah, we could go into a static first now I don't think it would have hurt you though to go Antibolic performance and then aesthetic either. I think that

Starting point is 01:16:39 Still has tremendous value even for an experienced person like you But you're a case where it would still be okay. Whereas if you were a brand new person, you just started lifting and you jumped right into aesthetic, I'd be telling you, oh, well, that's a terrible program. That's too much for someone like you because you haven't been training, but that's not you. So it's okay. The other thing is, aesthetic can be long workouts. They can take some people almost 90 minutes to get through it. Nothing is wrong. We just actually had a question similar to this, but the issue with them was time.

Starting point is 01:17:10 They just, it's a long time to be in the gym. And so there's nothing wrong with you taking a few of those. For example, you've talked about the shrugs and calves, maybe some of the smaller musk groups. Nothing wrong with you moving those over to focus days, which are only 20 minutes long, and extending the focus days to more like 45 minutes to an hour, and so you have an even hour workout or so for every

Starting point is 01:17:30 day of the week versus these higher volume, longer workouts Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then the other days, focus days are only 20, 30. Nothing says that you can't take some of the exercises from the foundational days and move them to focus days. And you know, here's something to maybe pay attention to. And you're a perfect person to talk to about this because you've been training for so long. So you're likely already in touch

Starting point is 01:17:55 with how your body feels and performs. I know I'm doing too much in a workout. If I start to notice that my pump is my ability to get a pump starts it starts to fade. And also, if it starts to feel like an endurance workout versus a strength workout. Like if I'm, you know, two thirds of the way through the workout, and I'm like, oh my god, I have, you know, four more exercises, and I gotta like mentally get through it, and it's gonna be grueling, and it's more like I'm, you know, just kind of toughing it out. Then I know this may be a little bit too much.

Starting point is 01:18:26 And the other one is how you feel after the workout. If I feel like I need to lay down afterwards or take a long break because I'm wasted, I probably did too much. If I feel good after my workout, like what I aim for is when I'm done, I feel more energized than I did going into the workout. Then I know it was enough.

Starting point is 01:18:44 So I give that advice to someone like you because you're better suited to judge those things. Really hard when somebody's a beginner. Like you say that to someone who starts and they're like, well, I kind of feel like I'm grueling, you know, toughing through the workout from the beginning or what do you mean energized. You know, I'm tired all the way through and who knows. But for someone like you, I'd say, look for those things. And if you do notice that, oh man, I don't feel so great, you know, about two thirds of the way through the workout

Starting point is 01:19:09 or afterwards, I feel like I need to lay down. Just try this, cut one set off of each exercise. Start like that. So you're not cutting exercises, you're just cutting volume overall and then see how you feel. You might be surprised, you might find that cutting the volume might actually get you better. Well, not to mention, one of the first things that you'll see if you are, if you are doing

Starting point is 01:19:28 too much volume is a plateau. And again, another reason why Sal probably asked you that, how are your results? And if you would have responded, oh, they were okay. Or I didn't really see any strength gains. If that was your response, then we probably would suggest you probably need to cut back a little bit. But if you felt great and you saw great results from it, whether that be body composition or and or changing strength or strength going up, you're probably right where you should be. Because I, well, like you said, they would take me anywhere from 75 to 90 minutes on the full body, but the focus I'm still doing at least an hour when I'm there.

Starting point is 01:20:08 So I'm probably maybe doing a little bit too much volume there. But when I ended, so the last set obviously was the Super Sets the last three weeks. And I didn't go too much later, but I definitely didn't go heavier for those obviously because I'm super sending them. So then I kind of felt like, okay, well, my squat's not going up. My dead looks not going up. So, you know, should I back off and try and increase, you know, basically just the volume.

Starting point is 01:20:32 Yeah. As far as those basic exercises. That's new information right there, right? So, okay, now the answer changes a little bit. So, focus days are only supposed to be 20, 20, 30 minutes tops. So, if you're spending an hour in the gym and you're doing all those foundational days of, you know, 90 minute workouts, you probably are doing a little too much. And my recommendation would be, follow the focus days as they're written. And if you're going to add anything to the focus days,

Starting point is 01:20:59 take them from the foundational days. It sounds like to me, you're doing everything the program saying, plus you're adding more on those focus days. The goal, the idea days. It sounds like to me, you're doing everything the program saying plus you're adding more on those focused days. The goal, the idea is this, you want to do the optimal amount of volume, not the amount of volume that you can tolerate maximally. It sounds like you're going to the limit and going as far as your body will allow you to go.

Starting point is 01:21:20 You're only gonna get results slower as a result of that. You're not gonna hit your full potential. And of course, you're probably teetering if not bouncing back and forth between overtraining and not overtraining. Considering your background, that's probably your tendency. I don't know. You did focus sessions for an hour. Sounds like you're adding a bunch of stuff.

Starting point is 01:21:39 Try following the program as it's laid out. Trust the programming and see what happens. I would bet you that you're probably going to see better results. Thank you. That sounds good. And then last question is, what would you recommend a due next? That's a good question. It's probably better.

Starting point is 01:21:56 Yeah, maps strong will be good. Do you have access to that, by the way? No. All right. We're going to send that to you. So, and one little add to that, okay? If based off of how you feel when you finish aesthetic would be the difference if I directed you towards strong or anabolic.

Starting point is 01:22:12 So I may push you back towards anabolic or even performance, to be honest, because those programs have a little less volume. So if at the end of this workout, maybe you give me feedback as a client and you say, oh Adam, my joints are hurting a little bit or my deadlift and squat have been stuck on a plateau for a while. I might not go to strong. I actually might pull you back a little bit on the volume and go towards anabolic or performance. But if you feel great and you love the static, it's all great results, feeling good from it, no issues, then I would go to strong next. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I definitely feel good. This morning I just went and did

Starting point is 01:22:47 like five exercises and I went up like 10 pounds on everything. Yeah, that's great. First, like five to seven reps, not much, but I just wanted to see if I could do a little bit more. So, I mean, I feel good. My body feels good. I definitely do feel better and more energized when I complete the workout. And I know you guys have millions of colors to call and say, well, I'm not gonna back off. And that's kind of where I call. So, but I appreciate that.

Starting point is 01:23:15 Thank you very much. No problem, Angela. Awesome. Yeah, you know, the other thing to use, when you're like this advanced, and this, you know, you enjoy working out so much, you can sometimes fool yourself a little bit. So you can be like, oh, I went up in 10 pounds on my squat,

Starting point is 01:23:31 but there went up in 10 pounds from the last couple workouts which over train them. Overall, they're not up. They just took a little break, saw themselves go up, oh, I'm on the right track now. You know, these are things that really pay attention to because if you're a fitness fanatic and I'm speaking from experience, I do this too.

Starting point is 01:23:49 I tend to push my body to what it can handle. Almost always. Almost always. I mean, I would say 90% of the time, if you're experienced, you're advanced, or you've been consistently lifting for years, you probably have a tendency to overdo it. If you're brand new, never really trained, you're probably afraid to do too much.

Starting point is 01:24:08 So you don't do very much. And so it's almost always the opposite is true. But what I love about these live calls is here we are talking to her. We all give some tips and answers. And it was literally after we all went round, rob and answering, then we find out the information that comes out. Yeah, that all of a sudden you say, then we find out the information comes out. It's basically. Yeah, then all of a sudden you say, and you're doing hour long focus sessions.

Starting point is 01:24:28 Listen, we wrote those focus sessions to be single joint movements, you know, cables, bands, I guess. There's so much recuperative. Yes, they're not designed to hammer the body. And if she's telling me she's doing an hour, she's getting after it. And if there's any, if she's plateauing at all, or there's any issues at all, there it is, is she's doing 90 minute workouts on foundational days, and then she's coming back to the gym

Starting point is 01:24:50 and doing another hour, and I bet the exercise selection isn't the best time. That's cool, because you get some of this, and I've had a lot of clients like this to get really into it, and this becomes a bit of an obsession, and it's fun, and they're getting results,

Starting point is 01:25:02 but honestly, at the end of the day, what's your goal? Where do you go from here? And I always have to reiterate that because we're at such a high volume right now. To me, it's always about bringing them back so that way we can work our way back up and keep this fluctuating approach.

Starting point is 01:25:21 You know what this reminds me of? It's like, this is so common, right? You get a client and you're like, do you have any areas of pain on your body? Oh no, I feel good. But you know, you have to go through from the head down to the feet, step by step, to get the real answer.

Starting point is 01:25:34 Your neck doesn't hurt. What about your shoulder? Oh yeah, my elbow bothered. Oh yeah, yeah, my neck doesn't hurt. You've got nothing to ask a lot of questions. Right, because I literally asked her what her workouts were like. And she told us, what I failed to do

Starting point is 01:25:44 was to go through each piece and ask her more specifically. Yeah. Because then you start to get the real answers. Right. Thankfully, she gave us a little bit more information at the end, which allowed us to change the answer. And to be honest, now that we have all that information,

Starting point is 01:25:58 if she was my client and she put all her trust in me to allow her to guide her, I would probably actually make her go to Annabelle. That's what I mean. For not only for, it's probably discipline of us. Yes, probably better for a body, but also so I can show her. Like, watch this. We're only gonna train three days a week on your off day. You're gonna do these little rubber band,

Starting point is 01:26:18 easy exercises, follow it to a tee. And I'm not even worried right now. What you're seeing, strength, this is just, this is what I think your body needs. Then let me take you to strong or let me take you to another program and then watch your body respond, knowing now what I know from what it is because she's definitely somebody who probably leans on doing too much volume. Our next caller is Ali from Illinois. Ali, what's going on? How come I help you? Hi guys. How to click question. I first want to say thank you for taking my call, my question.

Starting point is 01:26:51 But a while back, I was listening to an episode in its first thought that although I know about macros and having a pretty good idea of how to track, I don't have a good idea of what it's like to build metabolism. I think I specifically heard you, style talking about how you helped your wife build metabolism and stay lean with increasing her calories. And that's definitely something that's been difficult for me. So I wondered what is the method for that? Yeah, no good question. But do you mind if I get into a little bit more? Yeah, so a little bit more.

Starting point is 01:27:21 Background stuff. Detail, because I'm looking at your question here. The one that you wrote in, do you mind if I go through some of this more. That's a background stuff. Detail, because I'm looking at your question here, the one that you wrote in, you might if I go through some of this, Ali? Yeah, no problem. Yeah, it says so you grew up as a gymnast, and you've been working out for a long time, and you've seen your body weight go up and down quite a bit, so you've seen some big fluctuations in body weight,

Starting point is 01:27:40 is that correct? Yeah, definitely. Usually a diet phase down to 140 and then just more recently, having difficulty getting back down. Okay, Ali, I'm going to get maybe a little bit more personal, okay? If that's okay. I know the sport of gymnastics, especially for women, is one of the most challenging in terms of body image issues.

Starting point is 01:28:04 It's just really hard because, yes, you are judged by your performance, but body size is often talked about quite a bit. I've known, I've coached some athletes who've actually had their coaches weigh them before practicing all that stuff. And so we've had to deal with some of the damage of that after.

Starting point is 01:28:20 Do you feel like you've had some body image issues as a result of that, or is this something that is not an issue? I'd say a mix. I feel like I also coached so I can have that like mental space to help other athletes get through it, but definitely as a child it was there to like that pressure to look a certain way and perform a certain way. Okay, absolutely. Yeah, and the reason why I'm asking is when you see big weight fluctuations, that usually points to a relationship with food that's this kind of come or go restrict or everything goes type of attitude because we're talking about a pretty big swing and body weight. So when it comes to tracking, I'm always hesitant to recommend that someone

Starting point is 01:29:06 in this maybe a situation like yours goes and really starts to measure and track things because what that tends to contribute to is what you've maybe been experiencing, right? Your track and so everything's like on point. And then you get sick of tracking for whatever reason, maybe because it's maybe motivated by self-hate or maybe you're just done with it and then you go way off in the other direction. So I would recommend for someone like you to not pay attention to those things and rather look at behaviors instead and performance. So I would, in your workouts, what brings you joy in your workouts? What party of your workouts do you really enjoy the most? Is it the strength or the stamina or the body control? Do you have anything specific like that? I think definitely more of the body control. I also just like the melodic of it,

Starting point is 01:29:56 like increasing weight, seeing that progress. And then like workout just, I guess, yeah, seeing games and strengths. Perfect. So there's another thing that you're not asking or that I think is important, right? So if she doesn't have body image issues and that's not a problem, the other thing that I see with gymnasts is their dedication to training and consistency and intensity is can be a way over done. We have that, and that's just athletes in general. It's just a switch. And so if you have been applying that mentality

Starting point is 01:30:29 for most of your weight training life, I would be, that's what I would be looking at right away. So let's just say there's, I mean, for sure, Sal was right to look into body image issues. If there's anything there that you feel yourself conscious and maybe that's driving some of your behaviors, but let's say it's not, then the other thing I would say is your athletic background may be driving the way you're programming, which means are you the person who's training, you

Starting point is 01:30:53 know, six, seven days a week and you're doing cardio sessions for an hour for three to five times a week and also cutting calories down below 2000. If that's you, then that's your way over doing it. And if we're going to rebuild your metabolism, it's gonna look something completely different. I'm gonna cut your cardio sessions. I'm gonna make you only train three days a week, doing something like math, Santa Ballack.

Starting point is 01:31:18 If you need to move and we need to find a way to counter some of the calorie increase that I'm gonna do to you, I'm gonna ask you to walk. We're not gonna do any intense cardio and we're going to focus on building strength. And I'm okay with you tracking if you don't have the issues that Sal is saying. If Sal is hitting something that you feel is on point, then I think he's right. Then going towards a more intuitive way of paying attention like versus weighing and tracking and getting out of control

Starting point is 01:31:47 with being super hyper focused on that. But if you feel confident that there isn't insecurity stuff going on or body image issues going on and it's purely, I'm just trying to figure out, I'm not, what am I not programming right to in order to build my metabolism, then I would be looking at the amount of volume intensity that you're doing in your training and how little you're eating in comparison to your body size.

Starting point is 01:32:11 And I would want you to be up towards 25 to 2700 calories, not right away, but that would be the goal is to get your body size and type up to that with you not training six days a week with a ton of cardio on top of it. Yeah. And you know, here's some nutrition advice that doesn't involve specific tracking. You can try something like this, Ali. You could try just a few things. One, avoid any heavily processed food. So eat only whole natural foods. And then eat in this order, protein fat, and vegetables and carbohydrates. So I would go like your meat, then your vegetables, and then if you have room and you're still not satisfied,

Starting point is 01:32:50 then eat your carbohydrates. That alone typically gets somebody's eating a little bit more appropriate, and then focus on your performance in the gym, focus on what's making you feel good, and what's making you stronger. And that should bring you to a fast metabolism in a healthy way, healthy in the sense

Starting point is 01:33:08 that it doesn't cause more dysfunction down the road or this boomerang effect at the end where you're everything's on track and then you kind of go off track with everything. Are you following any of our programs at all? I do have access to maps and of all like and I my program before was loosely kind of based on that.

Starting point is 01:33:29 So I've adapted some of the trigger sessions into what I was already doing. Okay. So you're working out what five days a week then? Yeah, five to six. And how long your workouts typically? Maybe hour and a half, including a warm up. Okay. And so okay, I appreciate your honesty. I would, so go maps and a ball look as it's laid out.

Starting point is 01:33:49 Yeah, follow it to a tee. Just follow it to a tee and then do the things I said with nutrition and then start from this too. Before you eat the sound silly, but I swear to God, it makes a huge difference, right? Literally, you have your meal, make sure you sit down to eat it, you're not distracted. And then ask yourself,

Starting point is 01:34:05 is this going to nourish me in a healthy way? That's it, and then eat your food. Sound silly, but what it does is to bring awareness around what's going on, and do this before you eat anything. I think what we tend to do, especially when we see body weight fluctuations, is we don't do that around the foods that we don't want to be around,

Starting point is 01:34:24 away around, so I'm not gonna do it right now because I'm gonna eat this sleeve of Oreo cookies or I'm gonna overeat this, whatever. So just try doing those things and then kind of allow this process to work. So based off everything we said, again, if you feel like that was your tendency in the past, I would go in that direction

Starting point is 01:34:44 and it'll definitely move you in the right way. Those are some of the details I left out when I talked about my wife in speeding up her metabolism. She had some of those issues before, and I did coach her through them, through working on behaviors, and it was hard. It took a year of her to really,

Starting point is 01:34:59 finally, mentally understand, what was going on because she wanted to go back to what she was doing before. Allie, is anything striking a chord for you? I mean, is anything sound like it's possible to you? That we're talking about. Yeah, I feel like it's maybe halfway. Like, I definitely do have the tendency to be like more driven in like just my past. Like, it has to be this way.

Starting point is 01:35:19 I have to train this way and eat this way. Um, and then maybe a little bit of the body, self image as well, just like, I definitely try to be aware when I eat, but I know that it's just tendency I slip on my phone and don't think about it. And then I go to the kitchen to put something away and I pick up a handful of whatever.

Starting point is 01:35:40 And it doesn't go in, so. Definitely a bit of both. It seems to be a bit of intensity there. I think, you know, sort of relieving that from you will go a long way and just kind of, you know, being able to not be so hyper focused on what's good, what's not good, and just try to find things that will help nourish you and have you feel good in your performance. Yeah, you know, you know, you know, Ali, you're,

Starting point is 01:36:02 I'm going to make a guess here. You said you're a coach. I bet you are an excellent coach to the people that you work with. And I bet the advice I'm giving you, or we're giving you right now, is what you would tell one of your athletes if they came to you. Yeah. And this is true for all coaches and trainers. I'm gonna say this right now, maybe not all,

Starting point is 01:36:22 but 90 to something percent of us, we're way better with our clients than we are with ourselves. I have practices I do with myself that I would never tell clients to do, and I'm fully aware of this. It's very challenging. So one of the things that I do before I do certain things,

Starting point is 01:36:38 I say would I have a client do this? How would I advise a client if they came to me with the same challenge? And that usually gives me the best answer. Doesn't always mean I'll listen, because sometimes or often I don't want to listen myself, but it does give us the best answers. So give that a shot. Say to yourself, okay, if I was a student coming to me saying this, what would I tell them? It's also important that you recognize that the greatest challenge that you're going to

Starting point is 01:37:04 have doing this is, you probably will see a little bit of weight gain. I mean, we're trying to increase calories, you're trying to get stronger, we're hopefully gonna be building muscle. I'm glad you said that, because that's a tough one. Yeah, so one of the things that you've got to trust this process, and this is always the most difficult part,

Starting point is 01:37:19 is you talk to these guys that give you advice about speaking of metabolism, we tell you something like, hey, reduce all the volume of training you're doing and also let's increase some calories. And then you're getting on the scale every day and you're like, oh my God, I've gone up three to five pounds and you freak out and then you go back to your old behaviors. But you're gonna trust the process here and stay.

Starting point is 01:37:38 And if that means that you stay away from the scale for a while, then do that. I'm okay with the tracking scale stuff. So long as you got the self-awareness to know that, to know that this could be a tendency or the things that it sounds kind of alluding to. But just be aware of that, that's going to be the first major hurdle

Starting point is 01:37:57 is you're going to probably see a little bit of weight gain, but don't be focused on that, focus on your strengths. Focus on your, I'm looking, what I'm looking for is you to get stronger and to tell me things like, don't be focused on that focus on your your strengths. Focus on your I'm looking what I'm looking for is you to get stronger and to tell me things like man Adam I'm I'm getting hungry now my appetites kicking up like these are all positive signs that we're moving in the right direction regardless of what we're seeing on the scale. Ali I'm gonna send you the intuitive nutrition guide if you don't have it. I think that'll help you. Okay I don't but thank you. All right thanks, Ali. Thanks

Starting point is 01:38:22 for calling in. Yeah thanks guys. How great day. You too. Did she say she had anabolic? I don't, but thank you. All right, thanks, yeah, thanks for calling in. Yeah, thanks guys, how great day. You too. Did she say she had an oblique? I didn't know. She said, you know what, Doug, let's send her that too, if you don't know. I think she said she had it. I'll put it in there.

Starting point is 01:38:33 I think she did say she had it. Yeah, I think she did. You know, I tell you, man, and I could tell as we're talking her, I can tell we're hitting maybe some, you know, some nerves. I've trained X gymnasts. I've trained X like synchronized swimmers and divers.

Starting point is 01:38:49 Figurescaters. You trained synchronized swimmers. Yeah, and they are, they're really, I tell you, you over watched that, that's an interesting stuff. I was a random on my life. Yeah, I can't say, I've actually trained a lot of gymnasts. Have you?

Starting point is 01:39:02 No, I had a client. I trained Batchy Ballers. That was directed at me. I actually had a client who was an alternate in the Olympics in synchronized swimming. But that growing up in that environment, you, I swear, when they came to me, it was always like, we got to deal with this,

Starting point is 01:39:17 these old behaviors, this body image issues. It's really, really challenging. And then what you said, Adam, so true, they have the switch that they've trained so hard where they can literally turn it on, ignore pain, ignore tiredness, ignore body signals, and just go, because that's what got them successful when they were at the laser on them. I mean, they're the center of focus.

Starting point is 01:39:38 And like you had brought up, in terms of weighing in, and then also, you got to look a certain way, you got to move your body a certain way, you know, that sticks with you. Like that, that kind of intensity and pressure you place on yourself, you know, it's just tough because a lot of times you don't see that about yourself. You don't see that, you know, that may be causing you, you know, a bit of struggle. I 100% of the time it's either either one of the things that we were talking about or a blend of both.

Starting point is 01:40:04 Yeah, right? 100% of the time, it's either one of the things that we were talking about, or a blend of both. It's either we've got major body image issues, and that's driving your behaviors and your training and your dieting, or you still got that athletic switch in your head where whenever you go after your workouts or dieting, you apply the same type of mentality. All or nothing.

Starting point is 01:40:22 Yeah, as an Olympic athlete, it's just like so different when we're talking about health and longevity and body composition, like it's a different ball game. So I have found that training clients like this, it is either one of those things we talked about or a blend of the two always. No, totally, and I do,

Starting point is 01:40:40 I wanna say this to about athletes like this, because I've had people ask me this question and say, well, if training too much is detrimental, then why are gymnasts and divers and athletes like that, right, maybe ice skaters? Why are they training so many hours during the day? Aren't they overtraining? And my answer is they are, however,

Starting point is 01:41:00 those sports are so technical that the frequency and volume of training really is about Perfecting their skill and technique. It's less about training their bodies. They're fit as hell already if anything They have they end up losing some of their fitness and strength because it's so much training But it's about if you watch a gymnast yes, they're explosive and strong But look at their lines their body control that comes from so much nuance that comes from doing Well, sports aren't healthy for you. Yeah, that's true.

Starting point is 01:41:27 They're not. That's actually the first. That level definitely. No, I mean, all sports, they really are not healthy. But does that mean that you can't incorporate some of the sports that you love and have a healthy life? That's not what I'm saying. But competitive sports, especially at the high level, is not healthy.

Starting point is 01:41:41 Any of them, you are doing well. And you have to recognize that and be able to move forward and live a lifestyle where, you know, it's totally different than that going into long-term. You have different goals. When you're competitively playing a sport, I don't give a shit if my body fat person is up or down or I'm getting great sleep

Starting point is 01:41:58 or my health or my libido. All it cares is I'm better at my sport today than I was yesterday. And so, and sometimes that means I'm training five hours a day to get to that level. It doesn't mean that it's bad or wrong. It just means you have different goals. And so, you get these athletes that were highly competitive and good at their sport, and they try and apply that same mentality towards getting in shape or being healthy.

Starting point is 01:42:22 And they're two different worlds. You know how many female athletes I've trained who didn't get their period until they stopped. Yeah. They're competitive sport because their bodies were so hammered all the time. So it's just, it's one of those things. Look, if you like our information, head over to minepumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal and they're totally free. You can also find all of us on Instagram.

Starting point is 01:42:43 So Justin is at minepump. Justin, I'm at minepump. So Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump Sal, Adam is at Mind Pump Adam. By the way, Adam and I shadow band on Instagram. So you gotta type out the full name and it's a hard way to find us. But if you find us, good for you, give us a follow. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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