Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1726: The Best Way to Grow the Hamstrings, Starting Strength Review, How to Increase Grip Strength & More

Episode Date: January 12, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about Mark Rippetoe and the Starting Strength Method, the best way to grow the hamstrings, how to increase grip strength to deadlift more, and how to include running in your regimen. Mind Pump Fit Tip: How lifting to failure is probably killing your gains. (4:24) Can men have multiple orgasms? (16:23) How Justin’s house may be haunted. (26:13) The Creature from Jekyll Island, a peek behind the curtain of the Federal Reserve. (34:03) The benefits of magnesium L-threonate and how Ned’s Mellow utilizes it. (36:06) How Felix Gray keeps winning awards! (42:24) Watching TV/movies with the wives. (44:36) #Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on Mark Rippetoe and the Starting Strength Method? (57:37) #Quah question #2 – What's the best way to grow the hamstrings? (1:05:30) #Quah question #3 - How do I increase grip strength to deadlift more? (1:10:35) #Quah question #4 – If you’re going to include running in your regimen, is it better to run before or after lifting? (1:18:01) Related Links/Products Mentioned January Promotion (#1): NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTIONS SPECIAL BUNDLE OFFERS January Promotion (#2): MAPS Anabolic 50% off **Code “JANUARY50” at checkout** How Lifting The RIGHT Way Can Help You Achieve Your Goals – Mind Pump Blog Sore muscles…what does it mean? - Mind Pump Blog Prolactin | Hormone Health Network MP Hormones Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum Greek Fire - World History Encyclopedia The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve The Fed: The Inside Story of How the World's Most Powerful Financial Institution Drives the Markets Magnesium L-threonate prevents and restores memory deficits associated with neuropathic pain by inhibition of TNF-α Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Best blue light blocking glasses of 2022 Watch The Standups | Netflix Official Site Visit Oli Pop for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “mindpump” at checkout for 15% off your first order** Starting Strength Build Your Hamstrings- How to Properly do Good Mornings The ONLY Way You Should Be Doing Stiff Legged Deadlifts! – Mind Pump TV Swiss Ball Leg Curl – How To Do A Swiss Ball Leg Curl The ONLY Forearm Workout That Matters (TRY THIS!!) | MIND PUMP 5 Exercises For HUGE Forearms & A STRONGER Grip (FREE Big Arms Guide) Diesel Strength and Conditioning for Athletes Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Mark Normand (@marknormand)  Instagram James Smith (@jamessmithpt)  Instagram Mark Rippetoe (@startingstrength)  Instagram Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram James Smith (@smittydiesel)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. All right, in today's episode, we answered some questions that were asked by our audience that had to do with fitness and health. But the way we open the episode was with an intro where we talk about current events, scientific studies

and we mentioned some of our sponsors. Today's intro was 53 minutes long after that we got to the questions. Here's what went down in today's show. We opened up by talking about how lifting to failure is probably killing your gains. Then we talked about female orgasm privilege. Oh yeah, that's right, you guys have privilege too. Then we talked about how Justin's house almost

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I'm just to fend everybody, and we just punch everybody in the gut. We got all the cardio queens after us right now on YouTube. Cardio queen. Now you're gonna get all the body builder intensity, you know, failure guys that are getting spotting spots on every one of their lips, like you're gonna piss all them off. No, you know, here guys that are getting spotting spots on every one of their lips, like you're going to piss all them off.

No, you know, here's a study that shows this. I know. Okay. So here's a deal. First off, to explain failure, lifting. What that means is you lift the weight until you fail, right? You can't lift the weight anymore. Now, there's always a debate.

Do you fail on technique and form? Or do you fail when you just can't move the weight anymore, whatever? Either way, it's too much intensity, most of the time for most people, that's the problem, and there are studies that show that there's benefits. But studies are always eight to 12 weeks long. Temporary. Exactly, and when you train to failure,

it is not, even though you reduce the volume of your training to make up for that intensity, it really does fry the body in a different way. Well, when we talked about the workout partner thing, this is kind of what came to mind for me because I do, I wish I remember the exact study, but I do remember reading a study that talked about the benefits of training to failure

and its benefits as far as muscle growth. And after reading that, that's all I needed to hear. Like, okay, I need to be doing negatives and a workout partner who's taking me to failure and entire modalities devoted to just like ramping that intensity up to a really high level. Yeah. And so it was, I was stuck in this kind of trap for a very long time, at least a decade of training looked like every exercise that I did, I definitely did at least one set, if not every set, to failure. And if I wasn't struggling,

then I didn't get a good workout. That was my thought process. And that's also why I used to think that a workout partner was so valuable was, the only way I could take this thing to failure every time is if I got someone to help me out. Now, the truth is that the failure training does and can produce some pretty significant results.

The problem is nobody programs it properly and failure training should be used appropriately. And I would argue by people who really understand technique forms stability and know their bodies. Because when you go to failure, the risk of injury does go up. That's just the bottom line. Just the amount of intensity that you're putting your body through, because here's the thing when you train to failure. If you don't ever do it and you try it,

it's further than you think. Like, you'll get to a wrap and be like, oh my god, I think I have one more. Then you'll be like, oh my god, I have another one. And you'll keep going. And when your form starts to break down, oftentimes it's the weak link that breaks down, which dramatically increases the risk of injury. And for most people, not only is it not necessary, but it tends to set them back.

And so with clients, let me ask you guys this, with your clients, did you ever train when you were good? And forget when you sucked as a trainer, when you started getting good. Did you ever train clients to fail you ever? No, rarely ever. Do you guys remember what it was that shattered your paradigm? I remember, it was actually,

because I had no interest really in powerlifting or Olympic lifting, and I really didn't fall that. That's probably more Justin and maybe even you. Yeah. I didn't really pay attention to their programming and training until a way later. And I was shocked that the strongest people in the world never trained a failure. I mean, literally hardly ever trained a failure.

Not only that, but 60 to 70% of the time. Their intensity was even way, way, way. You talk about the, we talk about two reps in the tank all the time. So we promote that. That's what most people should train for is having two reps left in the tank in their sets. And that's like what Olympic lifters and powerlifters train like 80% of the time. It's not until they get to their peak or getting ready to get into a meat. Do they test those limits? And I thought that was so crazy. And it's like, how funny is this that you have all these weekend warriors or gym bros

that are lifting and we're all using spotters? And you got this man, you got this, and we're training this way. And yet the strongest, most muscular people on the planet, when you talk about power lifters and Olympic lifters are never training that way. Or like you're talking about a 5% of the time they are training this way.

It completely just shattered my paradigm. You tend to hear training to failure from bodybuilders, but even if we use, and I don't necessarily like using bodybuilders or elite athletes as examples because what we're dealing with is a very rare portion of the population with genetics that are on the extreme end. I mean, it's really no different

than people who are over seven feet tall. It's so rare in real life, you know, you walk around a real life, you know. You never see anybody who's over the seven feet tall. That's how rare the type of genetics are. Well, it's not just that either, though. So I mean, when you're talking about that community, a big portion of them, especially the ones that look amazing,

are on Annabelle. Then you throw that on top of them. And then, and I tell you what, one of the biggest things that I noticed from taking testosterone for as long as I did, one of the best things was the recovery of me. Of course. I mean, strength, yeah, that's cool,

but you're eventually your body kind of adapts to that and you start hitting your peaks in your ways. Yeah, I throw shit at your body and you don't really get sore. Yeah, and I don't really get that sore anymore. So that, it's not like strength just keeps going up forever as long as you're on steroids. What was amazing though was the recovery ability, was that I could throw anything at my body and destroy it

and my body had this ability to recover it back. But genetics, the extreme genetics, plus that, produces this insane situation. And so taking advice from that category of people, you have to be very careful. I would say you'll get some answers if you look at all of them and kind of look at trends, but you're not going to get all the answers. But here's some clues, right? If you look at the pro bodybuilders, the elite

top muscle building people with the best genetics and of course on antibiotics, and you look at the ones that train with the failure intensity model, what you tend to see is a high rate of injury. You tend to see, I mean, the most popular being Dore failure intensity model, what you tend to see is a high rate of injury. You tend to see, I mean, the most popular being Dorengate, right, Dorengate's trained, what he called heavy duty style training, or excuse me, not heavy duty blood and guts, was the name of his style of training, but it was borrowed off of heavy duty,

which was invented by Mike Menser, and he had lots of injuries, right? Ronnie Coleman trained with an incredible intensity, right? Tremendous amounts of injuries. Then you trained with an incredible intensity, tremendous amounts of injuries. Then you have bodybuilders that didn't train that way, who had a lot of longevity. Dexter Jackson being a great example of a bodybuilder. The risk of injuries is very high.

It does fry your central nervous system. It really does. The CNS needs time to recover, just like muscles do if not more so. Now, if I see a program with failure programmed in properly, then I would say this is good, but I never see that. I'd never see failure programmed in properly. It's almost always either the feature of the program or somehow it's the feature where they talk about intensity and how hard you need to train. But no, yeah, intensity is important, but going to failures too much for most people. And now when did it change for me? I'll tell you, it changed for me.

I want to say late 20s maybe, and up until then, like you, I trained a failure quite often, and did the body parts split, the whole thing. And then I started reading these old strength books that were written by people in the early 1900s. And I noticed they all trained full body, three days a week, they looked incredible, this is before supplements were even invented, really. Forget anabolic steroids.

And I thought, and then what they would write about in these books was make sure that you save some energy, the way that they put it, right? Because they didn't say failure. They said, make sure you have enough energy to train the next workout. And don't, you know, essentially, say, don't beat up your body. And so I took it as, okay, if I'm training my whole body three days a week, going to failure, I know is going to crush me. What if I stopped a few reps short of failure?

And the gains I got were literally within the first week, I saw my strength start to go out. Well, that's why I had the biggest epiphany was like measuring more so on how my next workout felt. And you know, there's this whole thing like, your body needs to heal, right? And so at some point, you know, there's the, there's healing or adapting, like which one are you doing? There's a sweet spot there where if you're adapting and you go into your next workout,

you feel stronger, you feel more energized. And if you've never felt that in a workout and you just felt almost dread like you're grinding your way through every single workout, you gotta assess, you know, that amount of intensity you're bringing. Well, that's where it came full circle for me. So first it was seeing the programming

from power lifters and Olympic lifters. Then I remember like the first couple of times that I took like being very consistent in hardcore training, right? And training intensely. And then I took like a week vacation, no matter if I used every July, we had this 10 day vacation, we go up wakeboarding.

And that was all I did. No, I wasn't lifting weights, I'm out in the trees, and the lake, and then I come back, you know, worried. I'm gonna be, oh my God, all I did was eat candy and sit on a lake and lay out and stuff like that, no training whatsoever. Sure, I was doing a little bit of cardiovascular stuff by doing wakeboarding, but not any strength training at all.

Oh my God, I'm gonna lose all the strength and I come back stronger. Yeah. And that was kind of when that whole thing came together from me, I was like, what the hell? And it's like, oh wow, maybe my body really needed to fully recover like that. And now that I am fully recovered,

my body is responding and I'm getting stronger. That was when it all started to come together. And now here's what's interesting with failure training. And this is where I think some people get sold. When you do it for a short period of time, you do gain strength and you can gain muscle in a very short period of time, but it's very short-lived. Which, well, that's where the studies are built.

Yes, because if you were to... Especially if you never train a failure, and then you do it for a couple of weeks, you see, oh my gosh, I'm getting stronger and building muscle very, very quickly. That happened to me as a kid when I first picked up Heavy Duty by Mike Menser, and I was like, for me as a kid when I first picked up heavy duty by Mike Menser and I was like, for the for a month,

I saw these crazy gains and of course, it all stopped and plateaued completely. So as a long-term approach, it's really terrible. And again, I think it's just never programmed appropriately or properly and when people use failure, they use it all the time. It's just all about intensity. And so one of my favorite things to do as an older trainer when I started to get real good is

If I had a guy hire me who had worked out for a long time and I'd look at their workouts and I'd see that they trained a failure all Time I would confidently say to this them. I'd say oh, I'll get you a 10 to 15 pounds stronger on most of your lifts within a month And they'd look at me like I was crazy and it's I'll refund you if it doesn't happen. You know what I would do Yeah, just have not trained a failure. Yeah, And then all of a sudden they'd see these crazy gains because they were overdoing it before. You know, it's tough. It plays with the ego a little bit, right? Because I remember lifting,

I mean, I'm still guilty of this, right? I think we all are a little bit where you have a workout and you can just feel the weight like moving so easy. And it's like, oh shit, this, this 225, it's not a grind right now. It feels like it's moving up slow or smooth. Oh, let me throw another quarter on there and see how that goes. And then I'll send you like, whoa, I've never lifted this. It's a PR for you in your workout.

And then what do you want to do the next week? PR again. Yeah. Well, if that was, if that was the best I ever done, what could be next week be? So it's, you know, running as fast as you can into a brick wall. Yeah, that's really, so this isn't best I ever done, what could be next week be? So it's, you know, it's running as fast as you can into a brick wall. Yeah, that's really, so this isn't, I don't feel like this is us pointing at everybody else and saying, oh, everybody's doing this wrong and we're so right. Listen, I'm guilty of doing this too.

It's, you know, it's very, it feeds the ego when I get in there and get a lift and it's the most I've ever done. And it's very tempting to want to keep doing that to see to see where the end is and see how much stronger am I but you know and initially you may see that you may actually be able to do that back-to-back weeks and see gains and go oh my god I am getting stronger but it's really hard to do that and then go okay it's time for me to go the other direction like you're fighting with the ego. Yeah totally. All right I want to tell you guys about I went went on a, you know, sometimes they go on a little bit of a rabbit hole on the internet

and just research random stuff. You know those holes, yeah. Yes, me and the rabbit holes. I, so I did, I did last night. I went down this rabbit hole learning about this pharmaceutical drug and I did not know it existed and I learned some very interesting things about it. So here, let me tell you first how I got there, right?

So, yeah, let's see what you'll search. Yeah, so you got to figure out. So I got to explain this because you're like, what the hell's wrong with you? So I was just researching a lot about, and I have been, and this is something I've researched in the past quite a bit, but now especially because, you know, I'm on TRT myself, so it's very, you know, it's in the back, it's in my mind all the time. So I'm researching hormone therapy, side effects, and what happens here, and what happens there, and what about this hormone and that hormone? And I learned about the effects of prolactin

in the body. So I don't know if you guys are familiar with the hormone prolactin. In women, it stimulates lactation. And in men, it does a few things, but one of the things that it does is it creates the refractory period after orgasm. Okay, so there's this big difference. What's the refractory period? Okay, so I'll just explain, right? So very interesting big difference physiologically, I guess, or behaviorally between men and women is that women, this, I told Jessica, this is female privilege,

so we had a nice discussion about this. Oh, well, yeah. Big female privilege, a real female privilege. Women can have multiple orgasms. Like one after another, it's totally possible. Lots of women have experiences. You know this, Doug? Yes, I'm aware of it.

What's an orgasm? Women can orgasm? Sorry, Wimic an orgasm? Sorry, shot across the bow there, sorry. Yeah, I think so. I'm gonna keep my mouth open. I'm just gonna go for a few more emails. I'm gonna look too cover-o over there. I had to shake you up a little bit.

He's gonna, there's a picture of, there's like a diagram. Well, he's posted of the 40-old version, flitorial, flitorial. He's covered, right there. Make sure you focus on this area, though. So, Wimic can have multiple orgasms, but men rarely, it's super rare for men, can't, right?

A man has what's called a refractory period. He orgasms, and the hormone, we now know this, prolactin, and then we know sleep. Yes, it comes, it comes, the pituitary produces a ton of it, immediately, causes your erection to go away. You can't orgasm again, and you're done. You're over it. That's fine.

You tell me you found a supplement that we could take. Not a supplement. This is a drug, and no, I'm not encouraging people to take this. Oh, okay, I was like, well, this is interesting. And the reason why I got there was because, so hormone therapy clinics will sometimes prescribe, not just testosterone, but anabolic steroid called nangelone, this is known as deca.

So deca d'arribolin is the trade name, bodybuilders of colbin, but really the chemical name is nangelone. And TRT places will often, or not often, but sometimes prescribe it to men who wanna improve their kind of joint function and feel on top of their testosterone. I just ordered it.

Okay. So my last talk with Dodd. Dodd was exactly this. I was telling one of my complaints was my joint pain. He said my estrogen, I don't know if we talked about this. We did. Oh, did we talk about the show about my estrogen levels and everything? It was too low.

Yeah. And one of the options I had was actually ordering Deca and trying that. I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I'm just trying to. Yeah. So they do it low dose and you know, when you do through a lab or whatever and they that was actually ordering Deca and trying that. I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I'm just trying. So they do it low dose and, you know, when you do through a lab or whatever, and they test you for the whole thing,

but one of the side effects of using Nandralone at high doses, not what you're gonna be using, but at high doses. No, two to one is what he says. So, right, two times testosterone half of that will be. Yeah, so like a 200, you know. So if I'm doing one CC of testosterone, which is what I'm on half a

half a CC exactly the deck. Yeah, so and now bodybuilders use way more obviously bodybuilder doses of anabolic storage into testosterone or you know 10 times higher than what you get at a hormone therapy place. And I don't know if you guys have heard this term in body billing circles, deck a dick. Have you heard of this? Yeah. Okay. This is this is a side effect. People will take a lot of nandrall on to try and bulk up or whatever build muscle. And then they'll be like, I can't get a direction. Like, what the hell is going on? And they used to think it was because of the conversion

to estrogen, even when they took anti-astrogens, they would have it. That's not what Todd explained to me. He explained to me it has something to do with the body thinking that the deca is trying to create the testosterone. And it's not like testosterone is. Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. That's kind to create the testosterone, and it's not like testosterone is. Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

That's kind of like the how the, and that's what's happening and makes it. So I don't know, but I'm telling you how I got to this place of research. So then what I read is they said, it wasn't lactating porn. Yes, I started. What?

Just saying no. I'm just saying. Did you go through my phone? I did. Okay, so, so then I'm reading and, and I don't know, but, you know, they would talk about deck of deck and I'm reading more about, you know, analog storage and side effects. And then you see these in these forums are saying, sometimes people can get

guy know, not from S or Jim, but from prolactin or prolactin side effects like they can't get erections or whatever. And then in these forums, they, and this is, what I guess this is the cool and maybe not so cool thing about bodybuilding circles. They're like the ultimate lab rats. They just experiment on themselves. So apparently some of these people would get their hands on black market, cabergoline. I think it's pronounced or cabirdraline.

I've never heard of this. So this is an anti-prolactin drug that is, it's a dopamine agonist. So it increases dopamine and reduces prolactin in the body, and so it kind of offsets it. And then I read articles that before the invention of Viagra, porn stars would take this thing. They would take this and then do their porn shoots or whatever and be able to just have multiple orgasms.

Men, multiple orgasms. Then I read a study where they gave it to men. And so it's being researched as a potential libido booster in both men and women. Oh, interesting. And then in the, it was a small study, but the men in the study who had like some sexual dysfunction issues, taking it reported that they were able to orgasm

many times in a row. And I was like, yes And I was like, what? Many is like more than three. This is the hormone. If it's two, you say two, if it's three, it's three, but if it's more than that, it's two. I think more than one in a row is pretty miraculous for God. Yeah, holy cow. So wait, okay.

Okay, so this is like part of the hormone that's responsible for women producing milk. That's what it does for women. By the way, I'm not a hormone expert, so if I'm fucking this up, please don't try and understand this pathway here. So now they take this drug that sort of emulates that, but it's for some reason in men, it milks them a different way. It's kind of similar. It triggers the male refractory period.

So it's what, it'll, it's, and they've discovered this through using these drugs and through giving men more prolact and to see what happens if there's, there's our longer periods between when they can get an erection and have orgasm again, and the answer seems to be yes. So what is it about Viagra that does something similar? No, Viagra doesn't do something similar. Viagra, if you ever are taking a Viagra, a lot of times you can go at it right after it. You still have an erection afterwards.

Well, that's different. So Viagra is a, it inhibits the enzyme that breaks down natural coxides. You just get easier erections, But it does nothing for libido. You just have a useful member. Yes, it does nothing for libido. What this drug will do according to some study for producing even more cement then? Yes, also.

Oh wow. From what I've read. Oh wow. I don't know. Pretty wild. Now this led me down. Sounds fun. So as I'm reading this, I'm like, what the,

this is crazy. Oh, by the way, I would not mess with a dopamine agonist for this purpose because messing with dopamine, dopamine is connected to impulsive behaviors, like gambling, cheating on your partner, overeating. So I would imagine if you took, if people mess with the drug, you might see some potential behavioral issues

that could happen as a result. In fact, I read a couple of people wrote, oh my God, I had to go off that drug, I developed a shopping addiction or what I'm like, oh shit, this is not. Wow. I didn't sound like a good, so we're not promoting this. No, there's supplements.

That's freaking viral. That sounds like a good time. It's wild. Aren't there supplements on the market that make claims of making your load bigger? Yeah. Right? What's, I don't know what the market that make claims of making your load bigger? Right, what's that? I don't know what the politically correct way to say that I don't know There are you know what I mean though, right? I've seen advertisements for that. Oh, is it is it related?

There's one someone called ball refill volume eyes. Why don't you google that real quick for us like ball Crease your load. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See what you get. There's another one called Ejaculoid. That's another one that I swear to God, these are real supplements. Yeah, no, no, no, it feels like that was already done in the research. I have, no, we're not making any commission off these products, no, that's not.

Now, do you know, are there certain natural things that you could do or food that you could do? I did not get there yet. So now I'm looking at, I'm gonna look up that kind of stuff and see what natural things you could, sorry, I got excited there, what you can do. do but really interesting and then I thought to myself like okay evolutionarily speaking Why would women multi have multiple orgasms or more importantly? Why do why did the human male?

Evolved to not be able to have multiple orgasms and then it made perfect sense to me if you think about it We would not be here. We'd be lazy Keep moving on. You're gonna kill your teenager and you'd first discover how to you know, geez Go to school. No, this is way better remember you know I thought about remember that clip on the Indiana Jones where the guys face like Oh, it gets older. It gets all stuck. Yeah That's what I'm trained right now. Drink some water, just this. Oh my God. Wow.

Anyway. I'm making a disaster. I don't know how to get out of this, but I should you guys have video yesterday. Dude, please tell me what the hell. Bro, that is scary. We got a thread, so the audience, so we have a thread we're all on, right?

And we're chatting back and forth, half business, half personal stuff. And Justin sends over a video that Courtney obviously sent to him and you had a chair in your house. Almost spontaneous. You're a combustible. Yeah, your dining table, also, and was smoking and you catch on fire.

It was the craziest thing in the demon. Well, that's the thing. Okay, so when I bought the place, I guess three years previous to that. So it was like rebuilt. So it's only three years old. And before that, I guess the hot tub had caught on fire spontaneously

and the whole house went up and flamed. Wait a minute, hold on a second. Let's stop for a pause. You bought us. You bought a haunted house? I did. No, it's not hot. I don't feel like it is, and I'm pre-sensitive of those things.

Whoa. And you know, you're sensitive to spirits. I'm sensitive to spirit guy. I told you guys, we're gonna go story. Big dream catcher. It's all legit. Yeah, but so I, she sends me this video, and I'm like, oh my God It it shows that

Basically what happened I think was that like through the window it the sun came down and reflected off of part of the metal That was near the table that then reflected again and intensified the light and then so's like a magnified effect and literally like start penetrating the wood leg and you can even see that you can't have an Andrew will post the video because you sent the video over so it starts smoking and then there's still like a little bit of a hole right there. So this is like what's the met what is it? So this is like remember when you were a kid did you ever get? Yeah, like it's a guy, and I had some fires to bite that. But that's a magnifying glass that you're intentionally

holding, like, so this is like, this is like, created that effect. It must have, it must have angled all the sun. Look how the metal is this and what's it doing? What, where is it? It's just, I mean, it literally, it's just almost like, it's like, like Chrome, it's like, it's shiny kind of metal.

So obviously, on the table, where, where is it at in your house? Yeah, it's on, it's so the, okay, so the actual chair itself has wooden legs. The table itself is the one that has the metal reflective type. It must be a curve, there must be a slags to it, to the metal. Yeah, that's the thing, it must have a curve and then it must have bent the lights so it like intensified it. But it just made me, it blew my mind because like, it didn't see that. If you were not going up and flamethrower. Yeah. If you were not

home. Yeah. That is what, because the way she said she found it, well, the video is melted first. The video showed smoke coming out of the light. Oh, yeah. No, it was, it was literally, it looked like if this stayed going for another half hour, it's catching up. Hey, how funny, how funny. If you're just, you're there in lunch, you just sit there. You know, it looked like if this stayed going for another half hour, it's catching up. I have fun. How funny if you're just, you're there in lunch, you just sit there, you know, it's on your leg. So what did you do? I mean, are you, obviously, you guys should get some blinds or something up in that.

Yeah, we got it. We do have blinds, I think that we just need to use them in the middle of the day now for that specific reason. But yeah, I was like, man, this is super dangerous. And I can only imagine people that have had spontaneous, what happened before. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy to me. That is what I would never even consider

that as a possibility. Have you ever, Justin, you probably have seen this before. Have you ever read about the myths and theories on some of the weapons that the Greeks used or the Persians used. We don't know how they did it, but they wrote about some of these methods. They had like big, I don't know if it's bronze mirrors, yeah, that they used to try and capture the sun and then shoot on like ships or coming into port. That's what we think. So've never seen anything like that.

So they would write about, there was one thing first off called Greek fire. This was one thing, and we don't know what the formula was, but apparently they would crush in naval battles because they would spray, it was like napalm. Napalm. They would spray this, we don't know what they made it with. We made it with napalm basically.

And they'd light up on fire, spray it, and it would stick to anything and stay on fire and you couldn't put it out with Water like if it hit the water would the water will be on fire like oil almost like a grease the fire Yes, and they would spray it they would spray boats with it and couldn't put it out and it was just there you go Archimedes set Roman ships of fire with can't see it's and we don't know how they did it well There's it shows you that's like to oh that's the mirror. Yeah, that's what that's different. Yeah, that's the mirror. That's the mirror talking about that's something different. The other thing that that we think they did is use a giant magnifying glass of some sort to magnify the sun's rays to set

ships on fire. So this was like an actual, you know, naval weapon, dude, which is kind of crazy. So crazy. And of course, it's funny because back to the whole video that Courtney sent, my kids were trying to describe to me like with intensity what happened and all they wanted to talk to me about is that she swore a couple times in the end. Oh, and she did. She did. Because yeah, they count on their hands

like how many times they've heard of swear and like, so that was, you know, she just got a couple deans on her mark. My kids hear me swear. But that was justified. I'm like, the whole house could have just burst into flames of dings on her mark. My kids hear me so. But that was justified. I'm like, the whole house could have just burst into flames when we're not there. Yeah, that's crazy.

I don't think I've seen anything like that before. I didn't even think that could be possible. It's so rare because you have to have the right angle of the sun, the right glass, the right reflective surface to create a point and then have something at the right place for that point because... Like you said, the curvature and everything,

the actual geometry that has to all line up perfectly. Yeah, because if the chair was a little further or closer, it wouldn't have hit that point where the sun's raised over there. Although it would have a perfect floor, so it would have probably burnt the hole in the wood floor, though. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing, like, and who knows what kind of, like, a finish was on

the chair and everything if it would have caught even, you know, right, technically, because that. So the house caught spontaneously caught on fire before you caught it. Oh, yeah, before it bought, yeah, it's the same way. I mean, I was actually excited about it because, I mean, this is a brand new house. You know, basically, it's like three years old because the one before that. But I guess, yeah, I think it was a lecture call, but you know, they didn't really explain exactly

how it happened, but it was from the hot tub and jacuzzi that was outside like my sun's room now. But we don't have a hot tub now. And I'm not gonna put it there just because of jinxing, you know, whatever, I just, I don't wanna mess with it. I'll, you know, I was thinking about getting a Hutta but way later, but yeah, so that happened. And the whole thing just, you know, went up.

Did you hear something crazy? So my, my uncle, this was the long time ago. So my family works, most of my family works in construction stuff in Sicily or here. And I had an uncle that worked in construction and they, there were some buildings that were put up in the early 1900s that were supposed to be up for a long time, but something happened and they were going to get torn down. So they go to tear down these buildings and they find bodies in the walls.

Oh my god. And they think that they were put there by the local mafia chieftains. So this is where they take people, kill them, put them in the wall of a building, build the building. The building's not going down for 150 years, but they'll never find the body. There's a book. There's a book I read a long time ago.

They talked about this. It's called painted walls. Yeah, I have it at my desk. I guess it's book painted. No, my buddy, so my buddy made me read it because his, it's bookcaded. No, my buddy, so my buddy made me read it because his, it's like a distant relative of him is in the book and he's like, you gotta read this mafia book.

It's really interesting in my great uncle or something like that is tied or connected to all this and they actually talked about it and I'll look it up and I'll give it to Andrew, I send it over so I can. Speaking of crazy books, you know, before we started the show, we were talking about the Federal Reserve and, you know, money creation and all this other stuff. Have you ever read the Creature from Jackal Island?

Oh, yeah. Oh, that's what dude. Okay, so that's... And it's a true story. Yeah, that's what's crazy. That book is what got me all down my rabbit's hole of, you know, the whole other second things. Your rabbit's hole.

Dang, that's not even worse. I know that Ron Paul's book, uh, and the fed. Yeah, and the fed talks about it. So that's what I have read about it, but I haven't read that actual book, but he talks about it in that book. It's so, it's so weird to consider that the Federal Reserve is, is, is it, is not a federal agency, like federal express. It's a bank, which is gangsters. It's a bank that we literally said. Banksters. Legally, you're the only bank that can make our currency.

No other bank can compete with you. And you will make the currency give to the US government and we'll have to pay it back with interest. So our government doesn't even make its own money. Yeah. We issued a bank to do that. They give us interest rate. We pay it back with interest and no one else can.

It's a, if you read the creature from Jekyll Island, it will blow you, the way that all got put together, it made me so angry. So why, wasn't it like a gangster meeting behind closed doors, a handful of people that were making that decision? Oh yeah, dude, and politicians were greased and this is how we do it.

And you guys wanna know the last, here we go, ready? You wanna know the last president to talk about, ready? You wanna know the last president to talk about our US government minting its own coins, not from the Federal Reserve. You wanna know the last person to do that? Explain what that would mean, minting our own coins. That means the Federal Reserve doesn't make this. The US government will make its own coin.

So there is no interest on it, there is no whatever. It is not a note, it's our money, and it was gonna be made with silver, it was a silver coin. And it was, there was the last US It was a silver coin and it was, there was the last US president to talk about trying to do this. Let me guess was the assassinated. It was JFK. Yeah.

The JFK before he got assassinated. There you go. We need the X-Files music and... Is that what they mean by NFTs that are meant to then? No, we're just talking to eat. All meant to just means it's, yeah, it's made. Oh, that's all. Oh, okay.

I thought it was all on the same page. No, no, no, no. All right, I got some more cool studies for you. You guys made? Yeah yeah, it's made. Oh, that's all. Oh, okay. I thought it was all on the same. No, no, no, no, no. All right, I got some more cool studies for you. You guys made? Yeah, laid on me. Magnesium 3 and 8. So this is a form of magnesium that was created by scientists at MIT.

It's the only form of magnesium that could cross the blood brain barrier and has been shown to improve cognition, reduce inflammation, improve brain plasticity. So in other words, your ability to learn new tasks and new things and it increases BDNF, brain derived, neurotropic factor. So it's just like interesting form of magnesium that's got all these cognitive boosting, relaxing effects in the body.

So a lot of these other magnesium products aren't as effective as passing through that membrane separates. So like a lot of magnesium supplements are like magnesium, I think citrate or whatever, so you put in your water, it fizzes and you drink it, and then you get, well the poops afterwards. I was gonna say one of the biggest questions I get

all the time if I'm like talking about magnesium and supplementing with it is like, well, you know, doesn't that make you shit, right, O.A.? Yep. Yeah. Those kinds, those forms well, re-enate not so much. And so... So, three and eight is what's in mellow, right? That makes mellow.

That's one of the main forms of magnesium. So, what do you feel? So, why is it, you know, net is the only people that know this. So, why is it doubt, you know, net is the only people that know this. So why is it that most other magnesium products don't use this? Is it extremely cheap in comparison? It's more expensive than the 3 and 8. Yeah, more expensive.

But not the regular magnesium. No, regular magnesium's cheap as hell. Yeah, it's very inexpensive. And some people like the laxative effect. I mean, it's actually a quite safe laxative if you need that. I guess if that's what you need, right? Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, but it's not promoted that way You're right. Is that it's out? No, but I mean, yeah people they they they promote it to calm you because magnesium

Deficiency or is is quite common especially in stressed individuals or athletes And if you're able to supplement with an absorbable form of magnesium What you notice is you're just less anxiety, more calm, better recovery, better muscle contractions, like a lot of good effects, but it needs to be absorbed. Yeah, so in mellow, one of the main, one of the forms of magnesium they put in there is the 3 and 8. But they also have to think GABA and maybe Doug, go to the ingredients if you're on there right now. I think this is one of those supplements or one of those ingredients.

You don't really consider that you're deficient in. Yeah. Until you actually start taking it and you're like, oh my God, it actually makes a massive difference. It's also got theine in there, which is the amino acid that I always talk about. What do you, you actually feel chill? Doug, what's the, what's the R next to the magatine or whatever?

What is that? Yeah, that's a red-shirt trademark. That's the brand name of magnesium 3 and 8. So magnesium 3 and 8 is a synthetic form and patented form of magnesium. It's a patented form of magnesium. So it's not one that you find in nature. It's a form of magnesium that's, that they modified to cross,

and it readily crosses the blood brain barrier. So when you take it, you notice it. You actually feel it, you actually feel the chill, calm, interesting, kind of cognitive boosting effects. Have you noticed you dream better? Do I, it's been one of the supplements that, and again, and here's the thing,

it's like if you're somebody who tries it and you feel minimal effects with it, you're probably not deficient. I recognize that I'm obviously deficient because it was like that dramatic for me. I mean, it's a, I have set up. I don't know if you guys have ever seen in my room, but I like, I have like, I keep two boxes that are always there. I have all these little mini water bottles.

You took it with you when we went to the other zone. Yeah, it makes that big of a difference on my sleep, and I sleep so deep, so long, I fall asleep right away. Like, it has made a huge difference. And I've tried magnesium before. Like I remember as an early trainer, it being touted as this great sleep supplement and taking it and being like,

I don't really notice a difference or whatever. And so I never really bought into it and didn't buy it. I didn't mess with it. And the only reason why I did it is because obviously it's a company we work with. They say, here's our new product and we try everything. And I just, and I remember the first time I thought, oh, that's just gotta be, you know, that's be lucky. I just random or maybe I just got good night's sleep and second time, third time.

And it's like consistently, it makes that big of a difference. Yeah, I know I'll take it before I watch a movie at night. I'll actually drink it first, in about 30 minutes into the movie, I feel like I'm just like, oh, cause you guys know me, I'm, I don't know, what's for lack of a better term, twitchy, like you know, my sit first.

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is probably what makes this perfect storm of amazing stuff. Well, that's not that much, Doug, but what old is that? Six of an amazing stuff. Well, that's not that much, Doug, but what hold is that? Six million is the revenue? Yeah, that's not that much. Shocking. But hold on a second, I won't, but not that it even makes a big,

because that's not a lot of money to begin with for, I think they were California. But I wonder what the margins are on that, because magnesium's cheap, and maybe making this version is really cheap, so maybe the margins are massive You know very possible. Yeah, and it was it was literally a group of scientists from MIT That put this together and create. Oh really? Yeah, I don't know when was it invented Doug?

Maybe we can find out right there's hay word right? Can you click on that and see when the patent was created? Okay, look here. Let's see let's do it down down the right while he's doing that I'm gonna talk about another one of our partners. So Felix Ray keeps winning awards. I don't know if you guys saw this. Through Blue Light Blocking Glasses. Yeah, so CNET did something. There was another, I read an article, and the ranking like the best Blue Light Blocking Glasses. And every single, so far, every single ranking I've seen, Felix Ray is there.

That's one of the best ones. I'm glad you brought them up because I want to, because I want to make, or let people know that they have a place on there where you can look at what type of face you have. Narrow, round, fat, little. Yeah. And I know I talk about, yeah, it is important because we bought Felix Ray glasses or Katrina did for our nephew and he's got a, he's got a, hegin. Oh, I don't say he's got like a big head. By the way, and if you look at Justin's head, if you look at his hat, you can see where he's got the you know the the snap on or whatever.

There's like hanging by the rest. Oh, yeah, it's about to just bust. Yeah, if I put if I put his hat on right now, it'll cover my eye. I would like a bucket on me. So even though I got a fat face, I have a little head. Yeah, so I like a little, I have a little pin head with a big fat face. That's like a perfect. So, and I tell people all the time, I tell people all the time that I love the Nash classes, but it's because I actually have a narrow face

so the Nash fits me really well. I messed up because I remember you talking about Nash and I bought some and it does not fit me. No, it is not for big heads. And my nephew has a big head like Justin. He's the big boys. What, these are the gemicens. Yes, and that's why I told her we had to refund

or change them out and get the other ones because those bit, it's just the medium. And those look like the big, big old glasses on my face. So yeah, but they have it on the sides. You can actually go and it'll say like, they have like a medium, medium-wide, really wide, like what your shape of your face is. So you should look at that before, you know, just because we, one of us says that we like a style, you got to

kind of know if you have a smaller head, a bigger head, it makes a difference. So you and I have a similar shaped head. You just have a fatter face than I do. Yeah, yeah, and you have a beak nose. It's kind of different. Maybe for fact, fact, fact. I guess. Yeah, real fast. But very similar. Very similar.

He was still a huge. So I was watching Cobra Kai last night. Did you see my story? Yeah, I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did.

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I've been trying to watch it, but my wife sits down and wants to watch something and then we can never pick what to watch. She's never agreed, so frustrating. Yeah. I know you guys both are kinda like that, right? Where the wives don't like to say, what shows do you, your wife and you guys agree?

The only thing that- Documentaries are your- Documentaries in stand-up comedy. That's, that go to for the two of us. She's cool with like fantasy and like stuff like that. As long as there's like good looking dudes. Oh well, okay. Yeah, like the Witcher, like, come on, ladies.

I know what you're doing. That's funny because that is the only thing that Katrina doesn't like that I would watch. I've been wanting to watch. Did I watch some guys do? No, I've been wanting to watch the Witcher, but if it's kind of fantasy sci-fi and the other ones, foundations, the other ones.

Those are the only ones. Those are the only ones. Sci-fi. I love sci-fi and fantasy. Sci-fi and fantasy is the only thing that Katrina and I don't, other than that, I mean, I watch ESPN Man in Arena avenge that last night with Katrina and she loves that like I can watch

sports stuff all day. This is the show that's the story of me and all that kind of stuff is she loves murder like that's right. Anything I've ordered is all into that stuff. Like yeah she's in. No you guys doing a role play without her. I haven't you know what I should just like surprise her. She's come in You guys doing a role play without her? I haven't, you know what, I should just like surprise her. She's come in with like an act.

So how do you guys do it if there's a show like, you know, how do you watch something that you really want to watch if they're like not on the same page as far as you have like a special time? Well, I mean, technically I can watch where I control the note, you know what I mean? Oh, is that right? I don't believe that. The only thing. You can't you control the remote but you don't control the music you work out to.

I don't believe that. No, no, no, no, that's because I'm listening. I'm a merciful husband. I'm a merciful husband. So I give it something. No, it's all joking aside. So here's what's really funny. Jessica will be like, oh, I think there's a movie

maybe we'll both like. She'll give me the name. And I've already caught on. I'll be like, is Ryan Reynolds in it? Yeah, but that's not why anyway, honey. I'm pretty sure that's why you picked this movie. You know, yeah, it goes both ways. That's why I want to watch Wonder Woman.

Yeah, we can do stop it. See now you just ruined me. Who has better taste out of the two of you guys with your wife? What do you mean better taste the pick? Like if you guys, since you guys have different tastes and one of you goes, Hey, let's watch this.

The wife says I want to watch this movie. Or you say let's watch this. says, I want to watch this movie or you say, let's watch this, who's normally right in that situation? Oh, who's right? Yeah. That's me, 100%. Really? Yeah.

Why would you decide all of it? And then I have to like come up with something else if she doesn't like it. So it's just like all the pressure's on me all the time. You know, make me happy just to do this. No, exactly. No, you know what, Jessica, I'll put it on. You go ahead and you find something. Oh yeah, if I give her the remote, I'll find you and you know what, Jessica will do. I'll put, you go ahead.

You find something. Oh yeah, if I give them all, I'll find you and then she doesn't want to do that. This is why you do it. But we'll be certain. What is that with, like, contributed to that to me last night, like through the remote, I mean, yeah, so I was like,

we're here, you do it. I do it. They want you to drive. Oh my God. I'll watch Cobra drive. It's the same thing, yeah, they want you to, as I'll go through and work, we can't find something.

Now it's 30 minutes of searching. And then finally, I'll be like, you know, what have we just watch this? Like this looks, should be like fine. I'll just be on my phone. I'm like, all right. Okay. Half the time I'm like, okay.

I don't know how it's gonna be. Sounds good to me. But we do find, we often do find like good standup or good documentary. What documentary? We watch the one. One, I love standup and she's just like, oh really?

She's just like over it. She has such a sense of humor, I would think that she would enjoy that. She does, but like, I guess I overdo it. Yeah, like I just, I could watch it all day. Like I just pick apart. I just love, I don't know,

I love like people's different takes on things. You know, I guess Katrina is not a big, she'll watch it with me, but she wouldn't go to a stand up. Where I would walk like you, I love, I watch most of the stand up, that's go to a standup. Where I would like you, I love, I watch most of the standup that's on Netflix, just at least give it the first 20 minutes

to see if it's something I would like, and then I'll bail if I want. I cannot remember the guy's name, I'm so upset now, but I found a guy last night we were watching and his humor is so dark, I was, I love it. He like, Netflix or something? He was on Netflix. He's on their Legion of Skanks.

Those guys are hilarious. No, so okay, so there's this like series on Netflix where they're showing like multiple, there's like four seasons and there's multiple standup comedians. So you could watch like 30 minutes of each one. Yeah. And one of them on there, this dude was so dark.

Like he'll make jokes about some of the most taboo subjects, which I love. I love that, especially if you do a good job. Cause you laugh because you're like, I can't believe he just said that. I have to watch it, I know Mark Norman was on that. He's really funny. Is that his name?

I don't know. He's found the guy. I know, it is that I think that is him. It's Mark Norman. Yes, he's great. Bro, really funny. Oh yeah. Super dark.

What was he, what was he on? Pull that up, Doug, Mark Norman. I don't know if I'm gonna find him to see that one. Have you seen that, Doug? I haven't. You're doing it on top of all those two. Yeah, I like to watch stand up, but most of the time I can see that. Have you seen that, Doug? I haven't. So you're nowhere on top of all those, too. Yeah, I like to watch standup, but most of the time I only get through about 10 minutes.

No, you and I are a lot of like with the comedians that we like. We've taken recommendations from these guys before and I know you and I both have been. Yeah, I can, I can, you don't have a like through it. It's because I like, I appreciate like, let me to them writing their way, I'm like, okay, their thought process into it,

but sometimes they don't land, but it's like, I try and still get mature. I really like the guy that, there's thought process into it, but sometimes they don't land, but it's like, I try and still get mature. I really like the guy that Rogan recommended, just recently, the black guy that was on that one series that had like four comedians rotating. Oh, I didn't even know Rogan recommended him. I found him and then I just happened to be on Rogan's page. Like, I don't know a few days later

and I saw that like a couple weeks prior, he had talked about him being like this up and coming. Comic-Con. Have you guys, so I was on a podcast recently. Can't remember the name of it, but it was, it was hosted by a community. Oh, this is the one I'm talking about right here, the stand-ups. Yes, that's what I'm saying. So this guy, Mark Norman, was on the way to see this. So this is the black guy I'm talking about.

Kate was on this one. That Joe Rogan recommended it. Yes, if you go to season four, Doug, then we'll be able to see both because he was on the same season. Oh, you're talking about. I know exactly. I just don't remember his name. There's only three seasons.

Or third season, it's the last season. He's kind of a heavy set, dude. Yeah, that bigger dude. Yeah, yeah, we'll find him. We'll find him as soon as Doug goes to the, you know. Yeah, I don't know if I want, I don't think I watched the whole thing. I caught him and I really liked him.

I'll tell you something. I think the next one was a girl and I, I got interviews. So what's his name again? Mark Norman. Mark Norman, yeah, here he is. Yeah, so let me see, oh, I want to see what it looks like, yeah, here he is. Yeah, so let me see. Oh, what does he look like?

No, this is him. Oh, okay. This guy is, I'm pretty sure this is him. His humor is super dry. Dry and dark. Like he'll joke about shit that you're like, really, did you just say that? So I got interviewed.

I remember the guy's name by a comedian, and that's him right there. And, uh, I haven't seen him. Yeah, oh yeah, he's good. And we were, you know, we were talking and then I brought up the topic of comedy and I said for a second there, it seemed like comedians were afraid to say certain jokes.

They were. And now it seems like four years ago. Yes, and I said and now it seems like the pendulum is swung the other direction and he goes, you're totally right. He goes, Dave Chappelle came out and blasted it. And now. Kind of gave everybody like the pendulum is swung the other direction and he goes, you're totally right. He goes, Dave Chappelle came out and blasted it. And now, kind of gave everybody the okay. Yeah, that's what it was.

And now the comedians are going dark and touching everything again, which I'm happy. I'm happy that that happens. Because if you don't like it, turn it off, you know what I mean? But you should be able to stay with someone. Well, it's just, yeah, like challenge, challenge everybody's ideas. Like that needs to happen always. And that's what I love about comedy. It takes the air out of it, but it also everybody's ideas. Like that needs to happen always. And that's what I love about comedy.

It takes the air out of it, but it also challenges your ideas. So you think about things a little bit differently. Totally. I always enjoy when you talk, I didn't know that like the history of it, right? Going all the way back to gestures and what they were there for in the first place.

Yeah. I mean, that's kind of what the role is, right? Is to kind of make fun of the norm. Well, it's humor, originally it's able to say things that you couldn't normally say because it's in the context of humor. And when that stops, what they used to say was that's when you know the king is gonna go tyrannical.

It's when he kills a jester for making a bad joke or whatever, now you're afraid because now you can't even joke about it. What's comedy like in other countries, Doug? Do you know? I don't know. Well, that's what I thought made you do. Well, stand-ups originated here in the US.

Did it? Yeah. And I think that, I mean, I think it's obviously it's spanned across the world now, but like it wasn't a thing. It was like more vaudeville and kind of like it. Well, so I don't know if you guys knew that. What's it like when you show these countries like China? Like you never hear about like stand up comedians

that are big in China? Oh sure, I wonder. That's what you're making me think like that. I wonder if they like. Hey, China is the greatest, you know? Ha ha ha. Everybody laughs at it. Well, I think there are different senses of humor though.

I remember going to movies in Japan, and they're usually in English with Japanese subtitles. And so I'd be laughing away at stuff and nobody be laughing in the theater except me. You know what I like? I like it. That's a great idea. That was me when I watched Borat with my brother and we were there like they had this whole scene where they're naked and they're running and we're just dying and nobody was like. What kind of humor is that? Okay, Borat, Napoleon Dynamite, there's certain, Zoolander, there's certain shows that I didn't like the first time I watched it

and then fell in love with it two, three, four times later. Yeah. What is that? And what causes, have you guys experienced that before? Where was the show you watched? The first time in movies. Like Napoleon Dynamite was totally like, what the fuck do you want?

Zoolander, I remember watching. Napoleon Dynamite's funnier than the more you watch the first time. The first time movies, yeah. Like Napoleon Dynamite was totally like, what the fuck do you want to watch? I remember watching. Napoleon Dynamite's funnier, the more you watch it. Yes, the 10th time you watch it, it's funnier. It's how I feel about that. I don't want to bend. And the other movies are like that. Yeah, that's how Zooladot.

Zooladot is one of my favorite movies, and I hated it the first time. You know what I had to make, I had to make Trabac Thunder, although I had to immediately make it the first time I saw it, but it's funnier the more you watch it. You know what's one of my favorite, like when you talk to people in the sense of humor

that people have, the United Kingdom's cultural sense of humor? Yeah, yeah. Is my favorite. Yeah, yeah. They're, they're, they're, they're, they're silly. Well, they're just fucking offensive. And, and like openly and it's funny. And nobody, they don't get offended so easily.

And it's great. I love it. That's why we got to connect with James Smith. Shout out to him. That's why I love his fitness content that he puts out. He's got that. He's got that. He's got that.

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He's got that. He's got that. He's got that. He's got that. He's got that. He's got that. He's got that. He's got that. He's got that. Australia, US, whatever. But there are two unique freedoms that Americans have that are protected way more than others. One is the second amendment. We don't need to talk about that.

That one's kind of obvious. Second one's a speech. No other country has protected speech like America. Like for example, Yeah, you think Canada was like that and it's not even... No, no, no, no. Like in Germany, there's laws against things you can say

against Jews or things you can say that are pro-Nazi or whatever, right? And I know there was a comedian in the UK who got fined because he made his dog do the Hitler Hitler thing which is just so ridiculous. You're gonna get fined for that. It's stupid, but why are you? But my point is in America, that's one I'm stupid, but my point is in America, that's one protection that we have that is really unique. Speech is protected here pretty much across the board, unless you're inciting violence

and they have to make a case for that. Just kind of interesting. So it makes sense that all the woke cultures trying to fight against it. They're trying hard, but it is such a, and you know what's what I love about it? Is that it's explicitly protected in our constitution, but it's also the one freedom that Americans

have always generally supported. Americans have always generally supported. The other ones have been in flux, but speech for the most part, Americans are... I feel like free speech in free markets is one of the main reasons why most people want to migrate here. Those two things I would think are one of the, they're two of the biggest draws.

Trust parity, yeah, draws here is that you get... But speeches are so free compared to a lot of places. People don't know this free speech, Those two things I would think are one of the two of the biggest draws. Prosperity, yeah, draws here is that you get speeches. Our markets are so free compared to a lot of places. People don't know this, but speech. But speech, popular speech doesn't need to be protected. The protecting speech, the literaries protect unpopular speech, which includes shitty speech, but also includes speech that might be unpopular today. But also you can find a cure shitty speech, right?

So that's the whole thing. It should be able to be there, but you can stuff it by mocking it at the same time. Yeah, mocking it or debating it. Yeah. Hey, check this out. Do you like soda? Of course you do, they're delicious.

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First question is from Donaldson Spencer. What are your thoughts on Mark Ripeto and the starting strength method? Oh, love it. Let's talk first about starting strength. Yes, starting strength. It's one of the, I'd say, one of the only, one of the few programs that will produce gains

in a lot of people in strength and muscle size. It's a, they focus, it's almost entirely focused on compound, effective lifts. It's a lower volume, somewhat program. You're training the body a few days a week. You're focusing on squats and dead lifts and bench presses. It's not super simplistic.

It's not that much different than anabolic. I mean, it is, and anabolic includes more accessory work. We phase the reps. Yeah, it's even more simple than anabolic, but very, the things that anabolic, that give you the greatest bake for your buck are in rip-toe starting strength. Yes, in fact, when I wrote anabolic,

starting strength was definitely one of the influences. It was one of the programs that actually works. It actually does work. You have like five by five and starting strength, and then there's principles and bodybuilding that tend to work, and all that kind of was compiled to make maps and a ball, but starting strength, especially if you're getting

into resistance training, now you're not a complete beginner, but you're kind of getting into it or you wanna do something that really just focus on building strength and muscle in a consistent fashion. It's a great program, it's free, go online, you can get it. Now, I guess there's some downsides, right? The downsides are that it's a bit one-dimensional,

so you can develop some imbalances. There's no rotation typically involved. It's pretty much in the sagittal plane. Is that all there is to, like, so I know that much about Starry Strength and know that it's similar to Animal Oak. I've seen kind of the phasing in the exercises. Does he not have progressions

and what he recommends is programs to follow up or is it like this is the program? They do, but it's really, I mean, similar. He really hammers like squat, deadlift, press, row. And I understand why, right? For most people, that's excellent advice. Well, it's also why almost every one of our programs has those components.

But that's why it's called starting strings. I mean, it's the foundational, like, meetin' potatoes that you need to focus on. And I think that's why, you know, I think it's super effective. Now, he can be, himself, he can be a little abrasive because he's real hardcore about. I like him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an old dog, dude. I do, I like people. I tell you what, those old strength coaches are great. All of them. Like, you get someone who's been training people for strength for 30 years. No, for a year. You're. Like you get someone who's been training people for strength for 30 years.

No, third guy. You're gonna hear, like, who's the guy? Why haven't we hooked up with Riptoe? Did our buddy Mike Matthew? Did Mike do Riptoe? He did and why haven't we linked with him? Have we not reached out?

I haven't reached out, personally. We should. He's pretty controversial all the way across the world. That's why he'd be fun to talk to you. You know what I love to talk to him about? Cause I know he shits all over the trap bar. Yeah, so he would be a fun person to kind of have that. But he's controversial about everything.

I know. Like you talked about anything. He's like, he's very opinion, he's like, he's very opinion. Well, I so, it's a good time. I, so what made me really go down the rabbit hole and stuff. So I kind of knew a step before, but when we had Jordan shallow on the YouTube channel, shallow through a shot across the bow at his squat cues.

Oh, right. And, and he's got a very strong following, and loyal following of people, and like we got a bunch of hate from that. You know why he's got such a strong following? Because a lot of kids. Because it should works. Yeah, a lot of kids went and found starting strength.

It became really popular early 2000s, when people were finding it on the internet and up into that point, you had always kids doing body part splits and just crazy routines and then they're like, oh, I'm doing three exercises today. This is going to be crazy. I don't know if this is going to work. And then you got all these reports and like, oh my God, I've never been so strong. I'm building all this muscle. And so they've got hardcore followers because that's a good point because the 90s really was the birth of the bodybuilder split kind of or like the really the explosion of that. When you say that,

the 90s was was what got everybody doing these body parts splits and intensity training and all this accessory work. And so what a brilliant thing starting strength comes out with something that's totally counterintuitive to what was popular at that time. It's probably what made it blow up. Yeah, and in people again, we're just so excited about this actually works, and it's so simple, and I can't believe it. But again, I'd say that the weakness is lie in the fact that you can develop some imbalances. You're not working in a lot of different planes.

It doesn't have, and there's one principle in starting strength is definitely a truelon, which is there are certain lifts you should practice often, get good at them, and they should always pretty much be in your routine. But that doesn't mean there isn't any value to lots of other movements to train the body in different ways to avoid injury, to develop balance. And you need to do that kind of stuff as well. Well, this is why maps performance follows. Exactly.

This, I mean, that was the thought process. When we wrote performance, when we wrote our programs, right, it wasn't like, oh, what's gonna sell the most? It was like, okay, we were training someone. Yeah, we were training somebody. We just took them through maps and a ballic. What are they lacking? So, even though we believe that that's one of the best programs

it is our most sole program and probably the most valuable for the average person to start there, we know that once they're there and they've been following that we wouldn't want them to stay there forever We'd have to move them into something else What would that look like it would look like maths for parents? Yeah, and one thing with the the main things that people will say about starting strength is that especially their squat We'll go through the roof So there's a lot of jokes about starting strength people that they got like big butts and quads and everything else

Which is pretty cool. But it's, again, it's a solid routine. I mean, I'll call it out if I need to, and I'll be honest and say something's great if it is, we have no affiliation. We don't make any money off the program, we're like that. It's a solid routine.

It's based in solid principles. And for a lot of people, it definitely will work and make you stronger. It is not the be all end all, unfortunately. Especially if you have a long-term approach to your fitness. Nor is any one of our programs. Correct. We stand by that too.

I would never tell anybody that, oh, MAP Santa Ballock is the end all be all programs to do with it forever. No, no, you need to do different things to really maintain your body and to make sure you're not developing particular imbalances or aches and pains and injuries. And just develop kind of a whole, you know, balanced physique type of thing.

Well, yeah, your body, you're strong in multiple directions. Yeah, your daily movements, you don't always move in the sagittal plant, so your workout should mimic what real life should kind of look like. That's where some of those programs like... But the cool thing about Riptow is he says stuff like, Strength is the foundational physical pursuit, very true. Yeah. How strength is so important for pretty much any physical pursuit.

Very true. You're weak. You're stamina means nothing. If you're weak, your flexibility means nothing. In fact, it's becomes a liability. So he hits and he's had a tremendous impact in the world of resistance training. And I would put him up there, not as the guy that knows everything, not only anybody knows everything,

but I would put them up there as one of the, the Godfather's of resistance training. I mean, if we were building, we should do that sometime, like the Rushmore of Fitness. Yeah. That would be kind of a cool episode to talk about who you think you can.

Who is the founder? What was that powerlifting club that was breaking record? I can't believe it, I forgot. Westside Barbell. Yeah, who is the founder of that? I can't think of his name right now. I can picture him, I can't believe it, I forgot Westside Barbell. Yeah, who's the founder of that? I can't think of his name right now. Doug, maybe he'll be a picture of him.

I can picture this shirt off in his tattoo. He's another old dog, that's just freaking great, right? I can't think of his name. They had contributed, he's contributed so much to strength. How are all three of us drawing a blank on that? Louis Simpson. Thank you, my goodness. So embarrassing.

It's like not remembering Arnold's name, huh? Louis Pollacklin was the lead character. Yeah, these are all people that had tremendous influence. Let's write that down, let's do an episode on that. Let's build who we think are like Paul Chen. The Mount Rushmore of Stringsford. Yeah, yeah, we're just fitness in general. We could who I think are some of the pioneers in our space

like have really laid the foundation. I would even argue Paul Chekko's in there, dude. I would think so. Especially when you talk about unconventional type stuff, I definitely think that he belongs up there. Next question is from Flunky Com. What's the best way to grow the hamstrings? You know, it's funny about the hamstrings.

It's in men, it's one of the body parts that guys think are not that big of a deal. They don't like to place a lot of focus. I'm gonna tell you something right now. If you want, first off, women don't like men with underdeveloped legs, it's a joke, but it's true. You wanna have balance in your body just from an aesthetic perspective. Forget performance.

It's obviously important for performance. But if you want your legs to look incredible, have developed hamstrings. I think that- I think it's so weird to not think that. It would be like, because no one would ever say, hey, I want great arms, but skip triceps. Yeah.

We're not having good shoulders. We just do biceps, but skip triceps. I mean, you would just think that's absurd. It's the same concept. Like, if you want to develop some great legs. Yeah. I actually think it's more so that it's one of the more difficult muscles to find a lot of different exercises for and people again think that you need all this variety and changing up different

Yeah, you know machines and exercises to do it and so well most people think the leg curl is the best well Yeah, it's the it's the easiest most basic thing to do it and then a lot of people don't deadlift a lot of people don't do good mornings You know which are great movements and are great for the ham. And then a lot of people don't deadlift. A lot of people don't do good mornings, which are great movements and are great for the hamstrings, but a lot of people don't do them. So between that and then the hamstring machine being kind of, and the donkey kickback or whatever, like the two main machines that you see in gyms, I think that has a lot to do with what you don't.

No, hands down Romanian deadlift. It was, in my my experiences the best overall hamstring developer it just it works the whole hamstring you can load it significantly you can get really strong Romanian involves a knee bend that's fixed so stiff legged with the knee doesn't come forward it just stays It's yeah, you bend the knees, but then it's fixed right? So that takes some pressure off the lower back and allows you to really load the hamstrings. And if you're good at it, you've got good technique and good stability.

I mean, I've done Romani and Deadlifts with over 400 pounds. And really, I can feel and see the development of hamstrings. The hamstrings are super important for deadlifts, for any version of deadlifts, for squats. And then if you're an athlete. Oh my God, it's crucial.

You have, if you have weak hamstrings, hamstring tears are common because of hamstrings that are... Talk about how you decelerate over powered quads too. You see that in baseball players running in their first base, it's like one of the most common injuries because they're so strong on the anterior, on the front side on your quads, they overpower. So they're so fast, the hamstring can't keep up with the quad powering them forward and that's where they're going

so common. And that's why receivers, outfielders, you see that all the time and it's because we put so much focus on the front on the quads and they overpower and then the campus tier chain is is essential for keeping you healthy and injury free. And I think the answer to this is just, never should your workout not include, either stiff leg, it Romanian, conventional, dead lifts, or good mornings should be in there. And do not put a lot of energy and emphasis on all the machine hamstrings,

the seated hamstring curls, not that they don't have value. No, they're great. If you did the other stuff. That's right. It's a great way to compliment all those. And I'm guilty of this as a young kid lifting that my hamstring work was just the two or three

hamstring machines. Because I never deadlifted or did any of those hard exercises. But boy, nothing developed my hamstring. You know what else brought my hamstrings up? Actually, that was later was when I started deep squatting. Oh, yeah. I actually was really squatting.

There's actually decent activation at a deep squat. Yeah, it was something I wasn't looking to get or from that, and it was like a side effect that when I started squatting, when I worked on my depth and got to a place where I could get really deep squats, I actually would get sore hamstrings a lot. Oh, that's really weird.

I've never had that from squatting. I always my quads and glutes, but never do I feel my hamstrings, but once I got into a really deep squat, my hamstrings got a lot of work to do. Here's one of the best two exercise combinations I've ever done for hamstrings for any client and myself, and it produces tremendous gains. Romanian deadlifts, and then fizzial ball, leg curls.

Fizzial ball, leg curls. First off, here's why I like them better than machine curls. Now it's true you can't load them the same and all that stuff, I get that. But here's a difference. You activate your hips at the same time. Yes, because if you're in it,

first off, if you do a machine leg curl, especially the one where you lay on your stomach, if you really want to feel in the hamstrings, what you need to do is pull your thighs off the pad. So what you're doing is you're activating the glutes and then doing the hamstring curl, and you feel in the hamstrings, what you need to do is pull your thighs off the pad. So what you're doing is you're activating the glutes and then doing the hamstring curl and you'll feel the hamstrings versus what people tend to do,

which is they stick their butt up and hit their hip flexors while they curl with the hamstring. Try it the other way and see what happens. When you do a physiol-ball leg curl, you have to shoot the hips up and get that squeeze all the way through. Do that after Romanian deadlifts and watch what happens. If you think it's too easy, progress it to a single leg and you'll just destroy it.

Who could do that? The hard. Next question is from Nate Brown fit. How do I increase grip strength so I can deadlift more? You know, we get a lot of remarkably, and maybe I guess it's not surprising anymore because it's been happening so often, but we get a lot of questions on script strengths. I didn't see that coming, but when we started this business, I never forget when you made that before. Yeah, we'll sound made that video on YouTube. We were giving them grief.

I did. I thought it was stupid. I'm not going to lie. I really thought who is going to be searching for forearm and your grip strength shit Like I just did and I guess maybe just the type of clientele I had or I don't remember a lot of clients Ask me that but maybe this is and maybe that's because we we tend to attract people that are already into fitness and working out That this is something that someone's been training for a while and they find that this is a lagging Well, there's two things two reasons would, these are my two guesses. One is, especially if you're doing heavy, pulling and deadlifting, and you don't work in construction

and you're just normal person, which these days, that means you do nothing, that's physical, really, in your everyday life. Then you go start working out and you have the weakest grip and that becomes the weakest link. So then you're like, oh my God, what can I do to strengthen my grip? The other reason I think is because for the most part,

if you're a man, the muscle that might show is your forearms and hands. And you ask any woman and she'll say she checks out a man's hands and forearms and can tell if he's fit or strong from that. So it's something that's also attractive. But anyway, what I wanted to talk about were exercises because a lot of people

don't know grip as training exercises. They're not very common. I mean, we all know, hold on to a bar as long as you can. Okay, that's great. That's one way to do it. Farmer walks. Okay, that's another way to do it. But really what you want to do,

because when you're holding something for time, it's an isometric exercise. And the best way to train isometrics is to train them in different ranges of motion. Okay, so to give a different example, if I trained isometrics in squats, I wouldn't just hold the squat at the bottom. That would be one way to do it, but then I would do one where I'm a little higher, and one where I'm a little higher, and maybe one where I'm real low. So I'm kind of doing an isometric in different ranges of motion. You could do this with your grip as well. So you have the bar circumference, you can use that.

And then what you could do is you could use a plate where you pinch it with your fingers like this or you pinch it with your fingers like this. Or you take a thick towel, you wrap it around the bar, so now you have to take a really wide grip. Or you wrap a towel around it, pull a bar and see if you can hang with your grip like this. So essentially the key is to train your grip in different ranges of motion from wide to narrow, to pinch grip, to where,

maybe even where you're holding just with two fingers. And I borrowed a lot of this from the, what I consider to be the people with the most, I guess, well developed and balanced grips in the world, which are rock climbers. If you rock climbers have, maybe not necessarily the strongest grips, but they have the most balanced strength in their grips,

where they can, if you watch a really good rock climber, they can do the craziest positions with their hands, with their hands way out here, just one finger gripping or real narrow or inside cracks and their hands are so versatile. If you look at the way they train their hands, it's through all these different positions and ranges of motion that they use. Those are the ways I would say train your grip best. I did want to bring this up and this this is something that I've kind of been holding on to.

Jim Smith, Smitty from DeFranco and CPPS, went out of his way and wrote us a really amazing grip strengthening and grip testing manual. And actually in it, he goes into like, thorough detail. And so there's like a couple different categories that he classifies some of these different exercises and techniques. And one of them is crush, pinch, support, levering, and then he gets into hand health. Yeah. And so, you know, there's great. And so it goes into all those different techniques, you know,

when to apply them. And then, you know, how to kind of test out. And also the the cool heart rate variability aspect of testing your grip before you get into working out to test your stress levels as well. So this is going to be included in the next program that we released. Is that the plan with this? Yeah, I mean, that's what we're going to work out

is definitely we're going to be releasing this attached with a product that we're going to put up. Yeah, now we talked about grip, but when you talk about grip, you can't leave out the forearm. So the forearm, yes, it has the muscles that close and open the hand, but it also has the muscles that flex and extend the wrist and also go laterally. So, it's all the levering part.

Yeah, so if you strengthen the grip, that's great, but also don't ignore exercises that curl the forearm or extend the forearm and also exercises where you're working this kind of laterally with the forms. All of that contributes to a really well-developed strong grip. I also don't want us to miss the simple answer, too, which is simply just deadlifting more will help this. I've done a lot of almost everything we just have talked about and have seen definitely gains in my grip strength from all the things we're talking about. But one of the greatest

differences I ever saw was when I was chasing after a cell with a deadlift, I had never deadlifted at that high of a frequency and volume. It'll build your grip. And I just, the forums came up because I was always practicing the deadlift, right? I was and I'm part of practicing the deadlift all the time, included like the axle bar every once in a while, included heavy singles and doubles, included higher reps sometimes. And just because I was constantly gripping that bar and deadlifting with that bar all the time, my forums got a lot stronger, especially for that specific exercise because there's a difference in saying like just getting overall forearm or grip strength that is applied to all these

different things, but if it's specifically because I'm having a hard time holding you on to the bar for deadlifting, you know, one of the most simple things you can do is to just deadlift. Totally. And the other thing too with the forearms, and this is just my own anecdote or experience, is they respond really well to frequency. So often, like lots of frequent training, not at super high intensity, so, and scale yourself. So don't just jump into this because you will get soreness in your elbows, you'll get tennis elbow, or what's the other one called golfers, elbow, or whatever.

But you can get those hand grippers that are really cheap, and just kind of play with them throughout the day, trying to overdo it, but frequency, you know, as you build up to it, man, like, like, you know, I've used, I've talked about my dad before. He's worked since he was a kid with his hands, and his hands are so, they're, they're freakishly strong and hard. I'll never forget once he was, we were at Jiu Jitsu

and he's a 50-something year old man, and he's going against this big Canadian pro football player, and they were going, and my dad's got a judo background, so I'm sorry, and I remember they broke grips, and this was the whole class burst out laughing, couldn't believe what happened. My dad's 180 pounds at the time, and this guy's like 320 pound dude, big dude.

He reached out to grab my dad's key, and my dad literally grabbed his hand and crushed it, and the guy tapped out. And he was like, what the hell did you just do to me? And we were dying of laughter that the old man could crush his head to make him tap out. That's right. And so the frequency, right? That's what it came from him working with his hands for his whole life, developed just

that iron grip. Next question is from health Reimagined 3000. If you're going to include running in your regimen, is it better to run before or after lifting? Yeah, whichever one you want to be good at. That's the first. Yeah, that's about. You know that principle applies to lifting too. Yeah, what exercise you want to get strongest at,

what body part you want to develop the most, what skill you want to do, develop the most. You know, if your goal is endurance and stamina in running, you should run before you lift. If your goal is building muscle and strength, then you should do that before you run. And there's studies on this that show that. Someones that we're asking,

well, what if I want to do both? Well, it's the one you care about most. Yeah, or maybe alternate. Yeah, oh yeah, that's fair, you know what I'm saying? But I think that everybody, there's always something that's a little more important, right? Like a more focused on building my body than I am being really good at running, but I want to run really good too. So then that's going to go after I work out, or you're like, I run, that's what I'm more into, but I also want to be strong and

lift. Well then you do that first. Yeah, it's true. Again, this is true for all programming. So if someone's like, oh man, you know, when I work, I work out my legs and my lower body, but my, my butt doesn't grow or my hamstrings don't grow. If you train those first and then go into the rest of your workout, you'll notice better gains in that, right? It's true for, for the whole body that's that, what is that? There's a term for it where your body adapts most to the thing you do, I guess, earlier in the workout. And it's definitely true for running. Now, I do want to say that lifting and running can compete with each other with the signals that they send. So that means that if you do both a lot, you'll get some of both, but not a lot of either.

And that's okay for a lot of people. They want to be well balanced, they want to have stamina and endurance, they also want to have strength and muscle. Then you do them both. If your goal is more towards the muscle and strength, you're going to do more of that and less of the running and vice versa. And there are studies that support

what we're talking about. Now, some people may say we're splitting hairs. I'd say probably, but if you do this all the time, splitting hairs starts to turn into a bigger impact. So if you do it once or twice or whatever, not that big of a deal, but if this is how you always train, then the order of operation starts to make a bigger difference. I would also say there's a little bit of individual variance here too.

Like sometimes some people like, they swear by like running a mile before they start they're working on it, just energizes them and gets them ramped up. I guess it gets easy for you. Right. So and so some people will swear by it kind of priming them for getting ready to do a lift and they find more energy. Other people will be like, man, every time I run before I work out, my lift suffer.

I'm just not as strong or what that, which is, I think most people are like that, but there are exceptions to the rule. And so some of this is a little bit on your individual preference. Do you feel better? Do you, when you lift first, there are exceptions to the rule. And so some of this is a little bit on your individual preference. Do you feel better? Do you, when you left first, does it really hinder

you're running to where you don't enjoy your run at all? So you have to run first or vice versa. Like, I mean, a little bit that has to come into play also. I'm like challenging anybody in terms of, even if running is your priority to focus specifically on strength for a phase. Just like if you're just all focused on strength, you focus exclusively on conditioning and endurance

and running specifically as a period of time where you can devote getting better at the mechanics, the technique, and really just honing in on that to bring that skill set back into the overall. But your body really does respond specifically to things and on that to bring that skill set back into the overall. But your body really does respond specifically to things if you can stay within one type of adaptation. Yeah, I used to do it before and after,

but it was because I didn't have a driver's license when I was a kid. One of the first gyms I joined was the YMCA. Yeah, and I didn't run to it. I walked and ran everywhere. Yeah, but I rode my bike, so it would be a 30 minute bike ride before and after my workout. So I used to train when I was a kid. Look, if you like our information, you'll love mindpumpfree.com.

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