Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1728: How Age Affects Your Ability to Build Muscle, The Best Workout Shoes, the Truth About Fitness Trackers & More

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about only feeling back squats in the quads, how much age influences the ability to make muscle and strength gains, the v...alue of fitness trackers like Whoop and Apple Watch, and the best workout shoes. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Contrary to popular belief, the best thing you can do for your immunity is to be fit, healthy, and lean. (3:59) Justin’s horse immunity. (9:26) How the CDC is now suddenly changing its tune. (11:33) Are gyms poised to see a surge? (15:33) Why is Nike coming after Lululemon? (18:44) When will the NFT bubble burst? (24:40) What will the future of the housing market look like? (31:10) How ashwagandha consistently raises testosterone in men with low testosterone. (33:12) How it’s harder to gain body fat with protein than carbs or fats. (40:20) The Shadow Banned Club. (42:18) A conspiracy theory surrounding parallel universes. (49:37) What Mind Pump is watching on TV. (53:49) #Quah question #1 – I only feel back squats in my quads. Am I doing something wrong, or is that common with most people? (57:38) #Quah question #2 - How much does age influence the ability to make muscle and strength gains? (1:01:22) #Quah question #3 – What are your thoughts on fitness trackers like Whoop, Apple Watch, etc.? (1:08:45) #Quah question #4 – What are the best workout shoes? (1:14:49) Related Links/Products Mentioned January Promotion (#1): NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTIONS SPECIAL BUNDLE OFFERS January Promotion (#2): MAPS Anabolic 50% off **Code “JANUARY50” at checkout** CDC Director: Over 75% Of COVID Deaths In Vaccinated Had ‘At Least 4 Comorbidities’ Walensky says Sotomayor's pediatric COVID hospitalization number was off dramatically Expert Ratings For Planet Fitness Mind Pump#1572: Is Tonal Worth The Money? With Aly Orady Mind Pump #1280: COVID-19 – The Death Of The Gym Industry? Nike sues Lululemon for patent infringement for the company's Mirror Home Gym and connected apps The Fight Before Christmas (2021) - IMDb Convicted Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes will spend the summer a free woman after a judge set her sentencing for late September All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg Summary of Ashwagandha Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** The effects of psilocybin on cognitive and emotional functions in healthy participants: Results from a phase 1, randomised, placebo-controlled trial involving simultaneous psilocybin administration and preparation Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Facebook parent company Meta to expand in Austin, leasing high-rise A Man find in Mexico a Nazi coin of the year 2039, a test of time travel or a parallel universe? Operation Highjump - The Black Vault Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia The Book of Boba Fett | Disney+ Originals The Righteous Gemstones (HBO) - HBO Max Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! 3 Best Secrets - How To Make Your Butt Grow (AVOID MISTAKES!) | MIND PUMP TV Is it Harder to Put on Muscle as You Age? - Mind Pump Blog Born to Run: A Hidden Tribe, Superathletes, and the Greatest Race the World Has Never Seen Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But we opened the episode with an intro portion where we talked about current events, fitness and health studies, and we brought up some of our sponsors.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Today's intro was 51 minutes long, then we got to the fitness questions where we helped people out. So here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about immunity, some of the best things you could do to have a great immune system. Then we talked about the new statements coming out of the CDC. Here's one that's kind of crazy. 75% of people dying of COVID right now have four, not one, two, or three, but four,
Starting point is 00:00:56 co-morbidities. Then we talked about Justin's horse immunity. You thought he just had a horse butt. Nope, it wasn't just that. His immune system is also like a horse. Then we talked about gyms. Are they going to blow up? Because now everybody knows that you need to get fit and healthy to have a good immune system? We think so.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Then we talked about Nike suing Lulu Lemon. We talked about the NFT bubble, the housing market. I brought up some studies on Ashwaganda and testosterone by the way, Organifi is a supplement company that makes something called Green Juice, which has green superfoods and Ashwaganda, great supplement, great product, Organify makes organic plant-based supplements, and because you listen to Mind Pump, you get a discount. If you're interested, head over to MindPumpPartners.com,
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Starting point is 00:02:38 I talked about the Nazi coin that was found and it said 2039, what the hell's going on. Then we talked about the show, the Righteous Gemstone, it was really on. Then we talked about the show, the righteous gemstones, really fun. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. This person says, I only feel back squats in my quads. What am I doing wrong? The next question, this person wants to know how much age influences the ability to make muscle and strength gains. The third question, this person wants to know what we think about fitness trackers. And then the final question,
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Starting point is 00:04:00 still the best thing you could do for your immunity is to be fit, healthy and lean. Oh, that was, hey, that was controversial just about 12 months ago. still the best thing you could do for immunity is to be fit healthy in lean. Oh, that was, hey, that was controversial just about 12 months ago. Can you believe that? Now it's, now it's trending news. Oh my God. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Both sides of the face. There, I don't, I don't care. It's still to this day. There's no supplement, no, no nutrient, no medicine, no nothing that will protect you from disease, like simply being healthy, fit, and relatively lean, not shredded, but relatively lean. And it's crazy that that conversation was almost censored or ignored. I feel like you're fat shaming right now.
Starting point is 00:04:38 It's not. It's just fat. Stop with all that. I know. Listen, you could use more of that, like misinformation campaign stuff. I know. Listen, I want more of that misinformation campaign stuff. I know, listen, I want to be clear like, that doesn't mean that you should treat people crappy
Starting point is 00:04:50 if they're having challenges with that stuff. Obviously, it's a very challenging thing to do for lots of people, so you still show empathy, but it's a fact. You know, did you see that the latest, they said that the right now, and this is kind of side topic, but right now, 75% of people who are dying from
Starting point is 00:05:08 the latest variant, 75% have, you ready for this? At least four comorbidities, not one, not two, not three, but four comorbidities. I didn't think we had anybody, I thought only one person allegedly died from Omicron. That was early on when they said that. I just heard that just like a few days ago. I don't know. Is that still true? No, I don't see reporting that. Really let you know there's those four co-mobrities.
Starting point is 00:05:34 That was a CDC director. New. Just came out and said that. What makes me upset about this is forget all the, you know, the, you know, the, the political, political, tussation around it and all that stuff, it's always been true. And I hate that that was never communicated to people. Now I will say.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Well, I feel like you could have done both too. Yes, I feel like you could have done both. Like I mean, even the way I suggested to my parents, like because I know how unhealthy they are, I was like, you guys should probably go get the vaccine. But you should also try and get some vitamin D. I think you guys should be exercising right now, trying to eat a cleaner diet.
Starting point is 00:06:10 I don't understand why I had to be either or. I don't understand why they couldn't have also recommended that this is something that everybody should try to, because let's be honest, if you're morbidly obese, you're not gonna get healthier fit in six six months, you know, after that. But you can make it down? Well, you can head in the right direction. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:29 You know what I'm saying? You can start to head in the right direction. And so I think that it just surprises me that we had to do this kind of either or. It had to be like, you were part of the anti-vaxxers who were just gonna try and exercise and be healthy or you had to be pro-vaccine and then stay indoors and fuck working out and fuck the sunlight. Why couldn't there been middle ground? Well, okay, we have to consider this, that anytime there's something major,
Starting point is 00:06:53 it gets politicized because it's like a gift. It's like a gift from the political gods when something crazy happens and you're a politician, because very easy to use it to make yourself look like a savior or whatever. And it's not a popular message to say this. Hey, everybody, here's something you can do.
Starting point is 00:07:11 That's not a popular message as a politician. But the popular message is always, everybody else's fault. Yeah, this is what we'll do. We'll do this for you. We'll solve it for you. And so if you tell people there's some responsibility on your end, you're probably not gonna sway them or cause this division, which is very beneficial to political parties. So it's just not a popular political message.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Nobody wants to do that. Do you think that if this, if COVID would have hit us in a non-election year, do you think that the way the CDC and everybody else would have handled this would have been different? I think it would have been similar, but it would have been, I think, okay, so here's a deal. Every two years there's some kind of an election,
Starting point is 00:07:49 whether it's congressional or presidential. So no matter what's gonna be landing on it. It's always an issue that can get a bill passed or spending or just to make your opponents look bad or make you look good, right? So whoever's in power, obviously it's their fault everybody's dying. Uh-oh, now I'm in power.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Actually, it was the guy before me. It was his fault. Here's my solutions. Yeah. So, and here's the truth, it doesn't make you invulnerable. Obviously, you could be fit and healthy and still have all kinds of problems, but the numbers show that at least two-thirds of cancers
Starting point is 00:08:23 can be prevented through a fit and healthy lifestyle. Heart disease, the vast majority of heart disease is prevented with a fit and healthy lifestyle. Chronic autoimmune issues, great data that shows that either you won't get any, or if you do, the severity of them gets greatly reduced. Like pretty much any illness or disease or chronic health issue is positively impact
Starting point is 00:08:44 by being fit and healthy. It sometimes doesn't prevent everything, obviously, but if you're going to go into a situation that's challenging. The only thing you can do, and I think that's the most frustrating part being in the fitness and the health community. And I think that's why there was a lot of reserve with a lot of the information out there is because that was just glossed right over and wasn't brought to the forefront.
Starting point is 00:09:07 It's like, well, what you can do is really make better efforts, better, just conscious decisions about what you're putting in your body and how you're actually like moving around and exercising in order to maintain this healthy body to stave off your type of. Which makes yourself more resilient. That's the thing, you're more resilient
Starting point is 00:09:23 when you're strong and you're healthy. Well, I want to officially welcome you to the club now. Oh, you're on team. You're on team COVID now. So we've all officially gone through it. I am a little disappointed how easy it was for you. I thought you'd be the fatest one you would definitely suffer the most. So I really thought that I was a little upset that I think it was harder for me.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Hey, you know what's funny? There's like a clear divide for a lot of things in our, in my account. I know. I know. He's, listen, there's a clear divide. Like you and I, Adam, are so similar in certain ways. And Justin and Doug are very similar in certain ways. And one of the ways that they're similar is they both seem to have mutant immune systems. I know. You and I will always get the most. That fact that Justin didn't get it the first time, like it's hard to describe this room for someone
Starting point is 00:10:11 is like, we have zero ventilation in here. We are all talking yelling. It's like we're in a small hot tub and somebody pees. You're gonna get pee on yourself. Yeah, and those were like the more nasty versions, right? And I got the little like lame, like we, you know, I was kind of feeling something that was gone. Yeah, I know, well that's good.
Starting point is 00:10:29 I'm glad that it was totally nothing for it, which is great. Yeah, no, I get it. Yeah, I'm glad. Both your boys or one boy has it right now. I know, both got it. Both have it. How was it for them?
Starting point is 00:10:41 Same like it was with me. They were just sort of achy and then And then it just kind of came and went and now they're doing you know Backflips and cartwheels that's so awesome. I did and Courtney didn't get it all not at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah So weird bizarre and for me it was funny cuz like for the longest time like what is it? You know is it because I'm like maybe it it's because I'm more dirty than the guys? Yeah. You know, I'm like, dirt under my nails and I'm just like always exposed to dirt.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Outside of you. Yeah, I'm like, more bacteria. I'm just like a more of a bacteria guy. I don't know. He's rolling around in the tree. Yeah, I just like picked pen, you know, from life Adam showers like three times a day I'm out there, you know You got a point you got a point here
Starting point is 00:11:32 Now I will say this the the narrative is totally changed. It's totally changed It's already shifting the direction you said yes, and they're starting to say There's two statements that they that the CDC made which blew me away because had you said anything like this a year ago, you would have been wiped off social media. You know the irony of this is like, so I have like a split group of friends, right? My conservative liberal then kind of in between, right, I would consider myself more in between.
Starting point is 00:11:55 And my liberal threads are quiet right now because they were, they were two years ago, the CDC post, that's what I get every, every like in our threads, whatever the CDC would say, would come out like, see, see, this is what they would be saying, I'll post, that's what I get every, every like in our threads, whatever the CDC would say, we'd come out like, see, see, this is what they'd be saying. I'll tell you that nothing now, because their whole tune is changing.
Starting point is 00:12:11 That'd be opposite direction. Well, okay, so two things they said, one is that what I just said about the four comorbidities, that's a 75% so majority. The second thing they said was at least 40% and I'm gonna pull it up just because I don't want to miss Represented. So, again, this was from the CDC So, CDC Director
Starting point is 00:12:30 Walensky reports in some hospitals that we've talked to up to 40% of the patients who are coming in with COVID are not coming in Because they're sick with COVID, but because they're coming in with something else And have had the the Omicron variant detected or COVID detected. So in other words, almost half in some hospitals of the people who, so these numbers get reported, but those people aren't going in for COVID. They went in for something else and the policy is to test everybody, shows up positive, and so that's-
Starting point is 00:12:59 These policies now are so completely different than they were like a few months ago like so like do you have that Statement that they made about like if if your health care provider a worker Now because they're so short staff if you test positive like they'll let you come into work Yeah, so as long as your symptom free. That's what they said you can come in testing positive Yeah, what you understand crazy that he sees now at five days. They're saying now. Is that what the Yeah, five days You can go back even if you test positive as long as you show no symptoms It's just this what there's five days going from firing everybody that won't take a vaccine to now letting you come in positive
Starting point is 00:13:40 I think it's five days after five days of no symptoms But if you still test positive then you you can go in and I think it's five days after, five days of no symptoms, but if you still test positive, then you can go in. And I think that's just, there's new data, but also there's a shortage. Yeah. Well, it's also because they're, I mean, they're now we're also,
Starting point is 00:13:54 okay, another thing that is changing or no, we're now seem to be concerned of how, this is affecting the economy and all the other unintended consequences. That's like suicides and stuff like that, right? Yeah. That seems to be what we're trying to take into consideration. This is a lesson in mass fear.
Starting point is 00:14:11 And there's a justification for the fear because there's a real thing that was happening. But the overreactions that tend to happen, it reminds me of September 11th. And some of the policies that we pass, it's still are with us. Isn't it kind of always that way though? Isn't it always, but that's why? It doesn't, isn't it always, you know?
Starting point is 00:14:26 But that's why you have to resist on some level, right? There has to be some pushback because otherwise, it's just like, again, like the opportunist kind of a thing with politicians is to, look, it's human nature. When you're afraid, you overreact, you don't make smart decisions. I'm, I remember, look, I'm not immune to this, by the way, no pun intended.
Starting point is 00:14:49 I remember years ago, my home got burglarized, and we weren't home, we came home, the house was ransacked, they went through everybody's stuff, my sons, some of his stuff was even stolen. He was just a little guy, he was only like six years old, and I completely overreacted. I overreacted with weapons and traps. You'd be like, you'd be like,
Starting point is 00:15:09 you'd be like, homelown, samurai, or something like that. I earned swings down from the door. I would sleep downstairs, waiting for jacks. I mean, it just, and it's just. What's homelown a million times? Yeah. I bet he's on something.
Starting point is 00:15:22 Yeah, I put, I put Vaseline on the floor. he'll slide and slip right here. That bad guy. But, you know, it's just, it's a lesson in human nature. We just have to be, you know, kind of careful. But I will say this, remember what I said in the past, past, past, excuse me, episode about how I think the gym industry is going to see a surge in people? I think that's common because now the messages work out, everybody needs to lose weight and get in shape. And gyms have been closed, people haven't gone because they've
Starting point is 00:15:47 been afraid. I think everybody wants to start working out. I've had people DM me who work in gyms who are saying, oh, we're seeing huge amounts of people coming in. I saw this on, I don't know if it's a local news channel, but they were interviewing one of the gym owners in there. Like, do you find this surprising with the surge of Omacron where they had a surge of membership enrollments? Yeah. You know, simultaneous with that. So, but yeah, I think it's just,
Starting point is 00:16:12 people are kind of like, well, you know, everything that's out there says, we need to, you know, make sure we're fit and healthy, you know, to really do well with this. Well, you guys know where I stand. I mean, I was looking at Planet Fitness already as a buyer right now because I think you're right, which you predicted, the message that you can see it happening.
Starting point is 00:16:31 It's only gonna get more in that direction, right? And I think it's going to attract a whole new wave of people that the same people that were scared to death to go anywhere and were going to be screwed in their house are gonna be scared too, I need to get in shape. And I think that the type of gym they're going to flock to was like a planet fitness, right? That's not a bad death.
Starting point is 00:16:53 That's not a bad death. That's a low entry level. I don't think that it's a long-term hold. I think it's a smart buy right now. It's not on a 52 week high. It's towards the top and not at the highest. I think that first quarter numbers are gonna come in and especially if the messaging stays around what you're saying,
Starting point is 00:17:10 I think that it's gonna surge. And so, yeah, I know, I think it's a smart part. I also think part of the surge is the feeling that they're, now we're getting permission to start going to gyms again. And it's been two years of people feeling stressed and anxious and kind of staying away from things. And fitness or exercise, I should say, we always look, everybody talks about,
Starting point is 00:17:33 I just open with how great it is for your physical health and all that stuff. But what's understated, and I still think this is the biggest value of exercise is the mental health effects. And I think people are feeling now the need to move, to get out and do something. And it's essential for mental health, absolutely essential.
Starting point is 00:17:52 And I think that's one of the reasons why I predict we'll start to see a surge. I can't wait to see what planet fitness's first quarter report comes from. Yeah, I think that's a good, I think that's a smart play there. Now I'm really curious about the, you know, mirrors, ton think that's a good I think that's a smart play there now. I'm really curious about the you know mirrors tonals Beachbody I saw an article about home
Starting point is 00:18:11 That they're they're they're dipping our palatons everything's kind of kind of dipping right now So I'm wondering if that was just like a crazy trend that happened and a lot of their projections and everything when they were Touting all of us here is it gonna come back down? We had the tunnel CEO on this is what we were saying. Yeah a lot of their projections and everything that they were touting all of us here is it gonna come back down there? Have the tone, CEO on, this is what we were saying. Yeah, we were all excited. Also, we had Mark Mastroff on and he was talking about, you know, then working through it in the Asian markets
Starting point is 00:18:34 and then, you know, once that kind of like turned around, how everybody jumped right back to Jim. So I was like, I don't know, you know, we have different, but who knows, maybe. Did you see Lulu is suing, or excuse me, Nike is suing Lulu right now? Fine, why? Well, they bought Mir, remember like a year or two ago?
Starting point is 00:18:53 That's right. And supposedly Mir and Frenji's on like six different patents that Nike had for like tech stuff, like tracking your running and distance on that because it tracks all these things. So supposedly they're infringing on like six patents and Nike's coming after Lulu right now. Oh wow.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Yeah. But they don't, okay, yeah. No, it's funny because again, going down the hole, like in Vener, you know, patent route, like you see how many patents Nike literally just like polluted, like anything when it comes to fitness and tracking, they like filed like a million patents for. Yeah, so that's their defenses and that. Their defenses, and their counterings,
Starting point is 00:19:32 counter-suing back is like too broad. Yeah, which is ironic because they just got sued by, who sued, or Peloton, sued, no, excuse me, Lulelemen sued Peloton for their like tights that they made. They made some like, excuse me, Lululemon sued Peloton for their like, tites that they made. They made some like, you know, like, ATHLEASER wear type stuff, and Lulule has the same thing, a bunch of just patterns that kind of cover things
Starting point is 00:19:53 really broad, and that's how Peloton won the case against them was saying that these are too broad. The R's, you can tell these Peloton tites are not the same as Lululew tites, and Lululew is using the same exact defense against Nike in their suit. You know what sucks about about the system? Could I understand why we have it? And it makes sense, but also when you get to that size, part of the game is to make it so expensive to fight your lawsuit that you don't want it before you walked in just tonight. We're talking about
Starting point is 00:20:21 this and like I think this is an example of, you know, billionaires fucking with each other to just big money messing with each other. It'll cost us money, but it's gonna cost you. It's like, you're gonna fucking me and sue me, or I will take this, we're gonna sue you over that. I did, I ever, regardless if it goes anywhere. Dude, did I ever tell you, you just throw punches at each other? I had a client that owned lots of commercial buildings
Starting point is 00:20:40 and he, I remember, he comes in once and he's super pissed off and I'm like, what's going on? He goes, there's a lawyer that is going around to all of my buildings. He's finding out which ones I own. He's going in there with a tape measure and a ruler and like protractors and making sure everything is perfectly ADA compliant. If it's off by a half an inch or an inch, he's telling me you need to pay me and fix this
Starting point is 00:21:08 or I'm taking you to court. So this guy literally would go in and put the rule just pay him off, right? They just pay him off. They cost him like $40,000. He's a lawyer in that documentary for was the fight before Christmas, I was trying to like get you watch.
Starting point is 00:21:21 He is on that level. He makes all his money by suing everybody. And also too, just like imposing his will on the whole community. Come back. You know, just to, and it's again, it's like, you look at that, it's like such an abuse of power
Starting point is 00:21:37 because he can pay, he basically it's his job, right? So he doesn't have to pay a lawyer to do all this work. So it's like, it doesn't cost him much, but it costs everybody else a lot of money to get legal representation And so a lot of people they don't want to go through that and so they'll just pay him off Speaking of scumbags or scams. I should say it's probably better way to transition is Who was the name? Do you guys remember the name of that girl who they were they were touting as the next Steve the female Steve And she jobs and she did the blood, one drop of blood.
Starting point is 00:22:08 You talking about that pharma company? Yes, that was a huge scam. So that just came to her? Oh, it was a bit something. Her court case just came up, so I think she got like... She got a nice sentence, dude. She did, I think she got like 15 years. She did.
Starting point is 00:22:19 She got like 15 years for that. Dude, what are some serious thoughts? What was the name of that? I totally forgot the name of it. I overheard the decation. There are no. There you go. There you go. Thank you. Elizabeth Holmes. Thank you. Great document. What is she? That's a fire festival situation. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Everybody's hype. Nobody's checking anything. So
Starting point is 00:22:37 your powerful female CEO. Yes. I'll pay you know this money because she was young and female. She fit the narrative. So the media went on it, which gave her more attention. Then she got like one or two bigger investors, and what happens with investors often is, if I'm looking to invest in a company, and I see that there's a bigger investor that already invested, I assume they did their due diligence.
Starting point is 00:22:59 So I just go and, oh, this is gonna be good. Nobody did their due diligence. There was a lot of red flags. Obviously, this is all hindsight, right? Yup. Huge, huge scam. Huge scam. Did you see what she got? Doug, was it 15 years?
Starting point is 00:23:11 I thought I- No, faces up to 20 years. I don't know if this is a little article or not, as well as a fine of $250,000 plus restitution for each account. Well, the restitution's gonna be huge too. Yeah, so I don't know if this is an old article or what here. Let me see if I can find a way. I mean, would she be held liable personally for restitution? Is it, is that like, I don't know. Yeah, I wonder. That's a good question.
Starting point is 00:23:31 And like, she'd be able to pay it. I mean, there were millions and millions and millions of dollars that people lost through investing in her fake, her fake company. I mean, the, the message was with one drop of blood, you could test like a hundred different things, which is truly groundbreaking and revolutionary. Oh, yeah, that would have been awesome. It would have been great. Well, I was listening to the All-in Guys and the science guy that's on there
Starting point is 00:23:55 says, that's possible right now. But what's hard is to do that with multiple things and then to make it really accurate with that small of a sample size. Because really accurate with that small of a sample size Because when you do that small of a sample size, you're basically, you know, Guestimating, you know, oh if the smaller the sample the less accurate you are with right, right? So I mean the the science is kind of there to do it I think that's why so many people they don't have things like blood sugar and a couple other things you could do it with just obviously
Starting point is 00:24:21 You still you can do that now with blood sugar. Yeah, yeah But nonetheless it would have been groundbreaking. Have her numbers been support any of what she was proposing? No, what she was saying. Oh, yeah, they were just just it was so unbelievably. And she made them in, you know, like withheld from all the investment. And she made stuff up completely made up. That's why I feel about I mean this market right now there's so much stuff that just doesn't make sense to me.
Starting point is 00:24:43 Oh, yeah. I mean, this market right now, there's so much stuff that just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, every day I read something new about something I'm like new NFT and that's someone's. I was looking at my cousins sent me over. I think I shared this with you guys a couple weeks ago, the Nike signs that will kind of like how the car that changes. So they released the new Apple glass, or like so it was one of those, where it wasn't supposed to be leaked. Somebody leaked with the prototype of the new Apple glasses look like. And so part of them, you'll be able to wear
Starting point is 00:25:13 and then people that have Nike will have like these AR-Nike's that will change colors and the sushi will be different based off of what you see through the AR goggles and stuff. So that's coming down the pipe. Wow. But my point to bring that up was actually just to talk about NFTs and just how many people are buying into these NFTs.
Starting point is 00:25:33 That just, I mean, at what point do you ask yourself, like, okay, it's too, if it sounds too good to be true, it's probably, you know what it's, I don't understand is like, okay, so, and I love designers and I'm a fan of like a lot of artwork that's out there and everything, but if you're not known and you're putting your own NFTs out there, it's like, and people are buying, like, what are you buying?
Starting point is 00:25:58 Like, what is that? Like, there's no demand for people to like, here's what I keep perpetuating this further. No, you know what's happening is I don't think most people think that this is going to be a great long play. I think a lot of people see this as exploding and there's a pho-mo. I want to jump on and make my quick dollar. And I can understand that. It's obviously an inflated crazy market.
Starting point is 00:26:23 There's real value to the technology behind NFT. It's definitely not what you see now. Do you think it's gonna be like an overnight, like pull, you know, rip the bandaid off or pull the rug out from underneath you type of, I think it's gonna be a pretty fast. It'll be. It'll have to be, right?
Starting point is 00:26:36 I don't know how it'll be a slow transition. So you're gonna have all these people that, like you're saying that are, they own the eight that they paid 12 grand for. Yeah, fear of missing out. I mean, some of those like, okay, you've got enough people that are celebrities that own those that are all getting into these exclusive
Starting point is 00:26:50 like virtual clubs that they're going to. That gives it value. It does. When a celebrity owns it. It does. There's only a thousand of those board apes that exist, right? And if of the thousand, you know, 80% of them are owned by celebrities and athletes.
Starting point is 00:27:07 And they all get to congregate into private clubs that only they get access to by having those days. I could see those, I could see those holding their value because really rich people that just want to rub elbows with some famous people are going to be willing to pay some with that. But to your point, Justin, the random artists who has sold three paintings in his life and he's selling now a bunch of NFTs or some shit or people with their startup businesses and then they're also trying to make this huge pivot over into the metaverse and stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:37 I just think it's too early to decide whether or not your idea is gonna be the next big thing. I mean, I really feel like that's what you're gambling on. So, okay, and I know you showed me like a video of this a while back in terms of like, it actually being this tangible virtual world like that they're constructing. Is this still like something that everybody's looking at
Starting point is 00:27:59 every day is like this actual virtual world where I got this plot of land and I can show you this. Yes, so I think, you know, I think player one does a really good job in my opinion of illustrating what it may look like. And if you remember in player one where he gets on and he's like, his buddy, he's like, oh, where's my buddy at? And he's like in a different world. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:21 You know what I'm saying? He's in a whole different world fighting like crazy stuff and then he's over in this world. Like it's going to be that big. It's infinite on how big it could be. You know, saying he's in a whole different world, fighting like crazy stuff, and then he's over in this world, like it's gonna be that big. It's infinite on how big it could be. So you buying real estate on some virtual world. Like some planet. You're banking on that.
Starting point is 00:28:35 That's where everybody's gonna wanna be. Like what happens when eight months from now, or two years from now, when the thing really starts kicking off and people are in there, someone builds a place that everybody wants to be at. And your places is old, or they never want to go there. No, you're right. If Super Mario Brothers was a virtual world that everybody went to, like owning, you know, level two or the castle and level five, or whatever,
Starting point is 00:28:57 will have a certain amount of value. But if nobody's going, it's just there. Yeah. Where it's, it's, okay, there's a lot of hype, a lot of us, it's all mostly speculation right now, but the technology for real is gonna stick around and we're gonna see some pretty good. It's gonna, it's gonna, it's going to, NFTs are going to, and crypto, both are going to disrupt some major industries. 100% hands down, I believe that.
Starting point is 00:29:23 But to think that you have a crystal ball and know exactly how it's going to disrupt and the NFT that you think you're buying is. It's like the dot com boost bust. It's like when the dot com era really started exploding every dot com company that hit the public market exploded. Now had you timed it right, yeah, you could have made a lot of money, but you talk to any wise investor, and they'll tell you trying to time the market that way, is like you're playing in Vegas, right? The problem is you hear the stories of the people
Starting point is 00:29:52 that hit the lucky number. So I hear the story of the 12 year old, that made $5 million, and I think I'm gonna jump on and do this myself, you know? Yeah, it reminds me of that where somebody bought, yeah, some kind of like a big company, I don't know if it's like a Disney related type URL. And then they had to pay them for that URL. Now that became like a viable business strategy was to buy these URLs before the big company, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:18 had to come back and acquire it. Yeah, yeah. Everybody's trying to do that. Doug's that guy. Doug owns like 500 URLs Do you know to match like his thousands of passwords? You want to hear my my strategy when it look like cannabis When I started to see like oh my god marijuana is gonna start to become legalized little by little Mm-hmm I bought a ton of marijuana related URLs. Did you really I did and I can see why I did it of marijuana related URLs. Think you really? I did, and I'm not gonna see why I did it. I was like, like, 420 this and this.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Spliff.com. Oh my God, these businesses are gonna explode. You know, that's what it doesn't matter. That's a good guy. That's a good guy. I think I owned one that was weed to your door.com or something like that. Which sounds kind of cool.
Starting point is 00:31:00 But a delivery service don't give a shit. I'm gonna be like, can I buy your URL for, you know, $100? No, all right, cool, let's do another one. We'll just make I'm gonna be like, can I buy your URL for, you know, a hundred bucks? No, all right, cool to do another one. We'll just make up their own dumb name. Like, damn it! Oh, that sucks. What do you guys think is going on?
Starting point is 00:31:11 Are you watching the housing market right now? You see that they're predicting again another year of like 17% plus type of increase. That's what you know what? Pump, pump, pump it up. What you said is interesting, but the introduction arise of 40 year mortgages. I 100%.
Starting point is 00:31:27 That is gonna be air into the balloon. You know, more and more, a 40-year mortgage. Doesn't it just make sense so that that's the way, like nobody buys a house with the thought of paying it off? When was the last time you heard somebody do that? Unless you listen to Dave Ramsey and that's your kind of, your girlfriend doesn't anymore? Nobody does.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Most people, it's like a long-term investment, setting up your retirement later on in life and so the way to get and then also we're you know all these people are coming out like longevity experts and saying that we're gonna be living longer the next generation coming up and so to me it makes it's the natural progression in which is cheaper monthly payment and then in addition to that where I also think that we're continuing to move in the kind of millennial direction of like kind of not owning anything, right?
Starting point is 00:32:09 I think that the future is, and we talked about this years ago, that the future is gonna look like this where you're not, you don't. You rent everything. Yeah, you rent a car, you don't, you don't. No one's gonna own a car on the future. Yeah, I think cars, houses, a lot of stuff.
Starting point is 00:32:21 I mean, obviously the people. It's just an nostalgia, right? But the way the natural progression to that is it'll just push it lot of stuff. I mean, obviously the people- It's just for nostalgia, right? But the way the natural progression too, that is it'll just push it out of reach. Well, you know how you know, is if you look at some of the big housing buyers right now, there are organizations that buy them, like lots of them, and rent them.
Starting point is 00:32:39 So you're getting a lot of these buyers that own multiple units, and so that's how you know. Yeah, they're still not a big portion of the growing. Yeah, but it is growing. It is growing. It is heading in that direction. And they're buying single family homes more now than they ever were in the past,
Starting point is 00:32:55 which it used to be kind of like this, multi-family unit. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, like that. But you're now seeing them buy single family homes. So I do think it's setting the table for that, but the thought that this market is gonna continue to go this year is just,
Starting point is 00:33:09 it's crazy to me. All right, so I wanted to talk a little bit about hormones, because I keep getting DMs about hormones stuff ever since I told the audience that I had started on TRT. And I've had people ask me questions like, my testosterone's not that low, but it's to the point where I wanna see
Starting point is 00:33:25 if there's anything I couldn't do to raise it. And so my advice is always, well, if you're exercising properly, eating right, getting good sleep, getting sunlight, those are the best things you do. And then there's certain supplements that can help. They're not gonna help as much as getting healthy, but they can help.
Starting point is 00:33:39 And the one that has some of the best signs is ashwaganda. So, and I wanna say this so that, save people the headache of trying a DM maybe because I'm shadow band, you can't find me anyway, is Ashwaganda. Ashwaganda consistently raises testosterone in men with low testosterone and it does have a hormone balancing effect in women as well. Is the Ashwaganda that is found in Organifies Green Juice? Is that enough for what you need to be taking in the daily?
Starting point is 00:34:05 Do you know what the RDA is? If you're gonna take it long term, yes, there is no RDA because it's an herb, right? It's not an essential nutrient. In the short term, you'll probably want it. Does it have to be an essential nutrient to have an RDA to it? Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Really? Yeah, there's no RDA for things that are not essential. There's no RDA for salt, palmetto, or ashwagand or anything like that. Oh, interesting. You might see things like, don't take more than this amount, or be careful if you do this.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Right. But no, not for herbs. But ashwagand does consistently raises testosterone and men, and balances hormones and women. I think acutely, you could take a higher dose, but if you take it long term at lower doses, like what's found in the organifi green juice,
Starting point is 00:34:46 but there's other stuff in the green juice as well, it should have this kind of hormone balancing effect. No, where would you naturally find it? Is it a root? What is it? Oh, no, I think it's a root. I believe ashwaganda means, if I'm not mistaken, horse or horse pee
Starting point is 00:35:03 because it smells really bad. If you guys ever smelled, Oshwaganda, if you take it in a dropper form, that's why I was asking about green juice, because I remember the first time I took it, I remember you talked about this years ago in the podcast, even before I think we were with Organifi, and told me I should take it,
Starting point is 00:35:18 and I took it, I was like, oh, this is nasty. It's strong, too. Oh, you're in the liquid form? Yes, it's strong, dude. Oh, it's you open the bottle and you get it. It's hip hop, that's not. That's not. Yes, it's strong. Oh, you open the bottle and you get a whole That's shit. So that's why I'm asking about organophiles If I could just have a green juice packet every week. Um, that's a way that's a way better if you take the green juice Every you know daily or semi daily for long periods of time
Starting point is 00:35:37 I think that's probably a better way of using ashwaganda Unless you have unless it's recommended to take at higher doses for acute situations, like if you're working with a aeravetic specialist. Now you would never get it somewhere naturally in your diet though, you wouldn't, you're right. No, it's just chewing on your lips. Yeah, you're not gonna eat an Ashwaganda salad or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:35:56 It's like a tumor, like do they, tumoric is found in, you know, curcumin, right? So that's like a flavoring or an additive to lots of different foods. We got this from like the Eastern practitioners with the herbs and aerobatic medicine. And this is a lot of ashwaganda. So I don't know, Doug, does it really mean horse piss?
Starting point is 00:36:17 Because I don't know, but it is a plant that's native to India and North Africa and it comes from the root. No, is it, I don't know if it's just from hanging out with you, because you would know better, because you've been probably talking about it longer, but I never heard of it before. Is it relatively new to here? Like, it was it something that it's been in Eastern medicines for a long time,
Starting point is 00:36:38 and it just made its way to get popular in... It's been used for a long time in aerocratic medicine. It's one of their staple. I don't know what you're going to do. Because even as a young trainer, I never recommended it or even knew anything about it, because it wasn't really popular in the West. But then you started seeing studies that started to come out to show, especially when the study show raises testosterone, well, everybody wants to take or it makes you stronger.
Starting point is 00:37:00 There are studies that show you build more muscle. So they they'll do like like this many, you know, 15 men on Ashwaganda, 15 men off Ashwaganda. Let's have them lift weights. Oh, the group that takes Ashwaganda, build more muscle and more strength. That definitely increases the popular. I think this is like the positive side
Starting point is 00:37:17 of the nerdy biohackers. Yeah, like there are the ones that like deepened the stuff. Yeah, they find all these really random herbs and different types of supplements that were used like long time ago or like different parts of the world or like the Himalayan, Yak, whatever. They'll find something that has some value
Starting point is 00:37:39 because they're trying to like create a whole business around. You know, it's funny, it's not that hard. If you, it's not obscure. If you just looked at, aeravetic medicine has been practiced for thousands of years by millions of millions of millions of people. All you gotta do is those Chinese medicine
Starting point is 00:37:53 and all you gotta do is look at, what are their top, you know, herbs or medicinals? Oh, these, let's still use consistently. Exactly, let's everybody. Exactly, Doug, you said, do you find something? Oh no, it's just a 6,000 years old aeravetic. So, and here's the problem. Here's one of the things. Do you, does anyone have like a story until like what made it all said, move into over here? It's when it's showed, I don't remember how long ago, but there was like eight was there like a study that came out.
Starting point is 00:38:19 I don't know if it was groundbreaking for it. I don't know if there was a single study, but it showed that it built muscle and improved athletic performance. And then next to you, no. That was enough. That was enough. That's usually it, that was good. But the thing that is a little bit, I don't know, maybe for lack of a term annoying, is that because we have Western medicine
Starting point is 00:38:34 and the scientific method, which has tons of value, sometimes we discredit anecdotes that have been around for thousands of years. Like I get anecdotes. anecdotes is your friend tells you this works. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. It's not on the same platform as the scientific method, obviously. But when you have 6,000 years of anecdote,
Starting point is 00:38:55 I think that that's got some validity. Whether you have a scientific study or not. Well, I take a little bit of attention here. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there it is right there. That's the root. Yeah, I also wasn't like, CordisSapps was the Chinese like women's
Starting point is 00:39:08 Swimming team that brought that attention to light. That's been around again forever Forever, but that was only because they won a butt right? They were crazy Who knows if it was quarter steps for some months? Yeah, but whatever at least it brought that to the surface Speaking of studies, I got a funny study for you also. So there was a study that came out on Salasaybin, which cracked me up. You ready for this? It's here.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Sometimes what makes me laugh too is, like science is kind of way behind what people already know. So this is the headline. Salasaybin is safe to use in 10 milligram and 25 milligram doses. Okay. When people eat magic mushrooms, they eat like two grams, three grams,
Starting point is 00:39:48 it's like 2,000, 3,000 about, you know, milligrams. This study shows that, you know, one 10th of those things is probably okay. Maybe laugh, I saw that study. So I belong to like different groups on Facebook. So this was like a science group or whatever. So underneath that jokingly, I put a comment, I said, it's safe at much higher doses too,
Starting point is 00:40:05 people underneath would crack it up. He's like, yeah, dude. No shit. We've been messing with this stuff for, I can't wait till magic spoon starts putting magic mushrooms inside. Oh my god, stop, don't say that. Hey, did you know, did you know?
Starting point is 00:40:18 So, there'll be tasty. There's a lot of studies that show, obviously, if you're in a calorie surplus, you gain body fat, but when you're a protein calorie surplus, you tend to gain less body fat than other macronutrients. If all things are equal, calorie-wise? Yes.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Well, I mean, okay, that makes sense. Well, it depends, right? It definitely makes sense if you're extra, if you're strength training. Yes. I mean, because I've nutrient-reparts. Said this, yeah, I've said this all the time. It's like, listen, you're gonna increase your calories and make sure you hit your protein
Starting point is 00:40:47 and take what's great about that is even though you know you're in a surplus and your body's going to store some of that, you're going to some of that is going to get partitioned over into building muscle because you're well, so what it is is it doesn't change the laws of physics. You just if you take in more calories and you burn, you're going to gain body fat. But I think what it does when you eat more protein is it changes the calorie outside of the formula. So I think when you take more protein, you just do the muscle building process. We said let's back up on law through an hour's for second.
Starting point is 00:41:12 Does it necessarily say that you're going to gain body fat? You're just going to gain. You're just going to gain. Okay. But I'm talking about the study saying you gain less body fat. So I think part of it's what you said, some of it's going to muscle. And then because of the increased muscle, now you have a higher caloric expenditure. So now it's no longer as big of a surplus as it was before. So protein is a great, if you're going to overeat,
Starting point is 00:41:35 I guess, that's probably the met. Although, I'm going to, honestly, if you want to overeat, it's probably not protein. You probably want to overeat fat in carbs and some, you know, well, that was one of my favorite things about the, the, I know, and again, I know I'm not, yeah, I'm not promoting you eat the whole box, but you could get high and eat the whole box accidentally. I know somebody that's not, don't eat the whole box but get high. Yeah, I don't know people. But even if you do, I mean, you end up getting like, I, when we figure out like 70 something
Starting point is 00:42:02 grams of protein and then I think it was like barely over a thousand something calories or even less than that. It's like, it's not that much. It's not, I've done a lot more damage with a bag of chips or candy or, you know, some, some snacks for sure. So at least with that, I'm getting a good ratio. Totally. All right. So speaking of damage and I know I mentioned shadow bandroler, you are two.
Starting point is 00:42:22 Yeah. Are you, are people, so here's the reports I'm getting. People are saying they can't find me on Instagram. So the type of my whole name can't find me. And when they do find me, when they try to follow me or message me, they get a notice from Instagram. That's like a warning. You were telling me something this morning, right?
Starting point is 00:42:40 Every time you try to follow me, like unfollowed. You had to put my full name in. Yeah, and then for sure we have to keep requests and it takes me off as following. Yeah, see, so she said that to me today. She's like, hey, just so you know, I'm not like weirdly stalking you because I keep, we show you, keep, keep following you but because it keeps every time I follow you,
Starting point is 00:42:56 then it ends up unfollowing you. Dude, people get messages. They'll try to DM me or follow me. Yes, do you want to send this person to me? Are you sure you want to follow this person? This is a big hair for her. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of feel more cool now. The challenge here's a challenge to the audience. See if you can find us. You know, you look with that, but it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Yeah, I think I'm just guilty by association here. I think I just because it being your fucking friend, man. I'm like, I don't even snowball it. Don't fall down. The worst thing I've done as I'm like, I don't even snowball it. Don't fall down and don't see me next. You know, thing I've done as far as guidelines, I guess, the weed comment. But it's like, come on, do there's people smoking weed on there and doing shit all the time?
Starting point is 00:43:33 Like the fact that I said I was gonna have some weed and wine with my wife, that's what got me. That's the only thing that makes sense to me because I haven't done any, you know, COVID pushed the boundaries like you do. Like you get into the more, you know, edgy stuff. I don't say anything controversial. It's so crazy.
Starting point is 00:43:47 I don't. You had that one cartoon that was hilarious, right? I did. Oh, oh, oh, the, especially the political stuff like you do. Like that to me is a, you're just asking for it by posting that stuff. I know, like if you do post anything about Biden, you have to put like satire in front in the caption in order for you not to get it like ripped down.
Starting point is 00:44:17 So I know it's interesting. I know it's an algorithm. I wonder if you could do this. I wonder if you can write the word satire but then cover it with the meme. So nobody sees it, but the word satire, but then cover it with the meme, so nobody sees it, but the algorithm. It's like what we were doing with the, go get the vaccine sticker.
Starting point is 00:44:30 That was interesting, right? That was a hack. I had so much. There's definitely got to, I wouldn't be surprised actually, if you could probably Google search and find like all the, you know, Instagram hacks. Somebody who works internally has to know
Starting point is 00:44:42 what the algorithm is looking for picking up, and I bet you there's like little ways around. Yeah, I don't think there's a person assigned to our accounts. Hey, I want you to watch these workouts. That's crazy. You know, I mean, thank God we have this show and we don't we don't rely on social media as our main source of income. But think about how you know how stressful that would be if I wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah. Yeah. There's so many people on there that their entire livelihood revolves wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah, yeah. There's so many people on there that their entire livelihood revolves around them being able to be found.
Starting point is 00:45:09 You know, and it's like if you do one post where you feel like you wanna just, you know, put it out there, you're just, your whole business is suffering. And it's one thing if they're restricting you from new people finding you, but they even restrict you from your own people. That's what's fucking stupid to me.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Yeah. It's like, okay, whatever, you don't like what I'm saying. It's your company, I'm on your platform. You know, make it difficult for me to be found by other people, but at least let the people who have decided to follow follow me allow them to see my posts. Even the fact checkers had to admit that it's just opinion.
Starting point is 00:45:40 Yeah. Yeah. And so that's what we're working with. Yeah, well, I mean, again, it's their company, I guess they could do what they want, but they are, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's what we're working with. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, it's their company, I guess they could do what they want, but they are, what they're doing is they're digging themselves a hole. Because the more they do this, the more they open themselves up to lawsuit because they are no longer like a carrier, like the phone company.
Starting point is 00:45:59 They're actively editing. And that's going to open them up for lawsuit. And it's a matter of time. It's a matter of time before they get heavily regulated. And it's part of the problem is that it's how they're actively editing and that's gonna open them up for law soon, it's a matter of time. It's a matter of time before they get heavily regulated and it's part of the problem is that is that is how they're handling it. I've just always been about let wild people say, wild shit and we can ridicule it and we can,
Starting point is 00:46:16 tell you why I don't think that's a good idea, but to stifle it and withhold it from people looks way worse. It does, it actually, it actually emboldens the consumption of the virus. Like, exactly, you're like, why? Why are they withholding all this? Like, what are you trying to hide?
Starting point is 00:46:34 Well, I remember, I remember my niece telling me about her experience working at Facebook and how I told you guys every Friday they would actually meet with Zuckerberg like on this big virtual thing and so that. And he gets a lot of pressure to do the right thing. Because I don't think that, I don't think he's like this crazy left wing dude
Starting point is 00:46:53 that's running that company. I think like just like the all in guys are talking about, I think most of these people that have built these internet companies are more libertarian. I think they're more. Well, it was all started. Initially, yeah. It was all started with the promise of the internet
Starting point is 00:47:04 which was open and free. Yeah, I mean, that's what motivated them. I mean,'re more. Well, it was all started initially. It was all started with the promise of the internet, which was open and free. Yeah, I mean, that's what motivated them. I mean, I heard this idea of free markets. So I don't think that they have these left wing agendas, like I know the right likes to say, like the right likes to come out with the conspiracy 10 foil hat theories that, oh, they're all conspiring together.
Starting point is 00:47:20 And it's like, I don't buy into that, because I think these guys started, but I do think they feel a lot of pressure Both from the government and from their employees a lot of these guys employ you know Gen Z and millennials That are based out of California. That's right. Actually not for long. Did you see Facebook's opening a huge office in Austin? How big so you said that I want to know how big and I'm so mad that I gotta see if I find let me see if I can find I mean I'll be eating my words about Austin because I really thought that Austin was kind of peaking out as far as the real estate market there,
Starting point is 00:47:48 but Jesus' Facebook goes in there with a campus because their campuses are massive. So is it like a hub? Or is it like a campus campus? I gotta find it. I remember it was going to Austin. It's going to be, I don't know if we were talking about this earlier or not, but they've done a lot of posts.
Starting point is 00:48:03 They're like satire that have then ended up predicting something that actually happened right. So one of them was... They're like the Simpsons. Yeah, so one of them was Gavin Newsom where they were talking about like being the employee of the year for U-Haul. I post that meme like a year ago, so funny.
Starting point is 00:48:19 And so the article just came out that like they cannot supply enough U-Haulalls to people here in California that are driving out, you know, to this day to anywhere else. That happened to me last year. It was so crazy when I, so when I moved last year, we got a u-hall and the deal was they, you bought it, you put the down payment on it to reserve it for the day you're moving. Yeah. And they have to, they have to tell you that we can't guarantee it to reserve it for the day you're moving, and they have to tell you that we can't guarantee it'll be here.
Starting point is 00:48:48 I can't guarantee it. I'm like, why am I putting this down payment down? When we were just trying to borrow one. I found the article. So Metta, Facebook's parent company, Metta is leasing a 589,000 square foot facility across 33 floors. It's half of Austin's tallest skyscraper. Whoa. And they're expanding. It's a prediction on how we've employees.
Starting point is 00:49:10 They're going to hire 400 or more or 400 more people in the area. They're currently 2000 over there and it's going to continue to grow. Okay. That's decently saw. Yeah. It's not that crazy. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's big. We did it not a whole, we did it. You're excited about that. When we bought and Fort Worth, what made us buy over there was Charles Swab moved their headquarters over there and that was like 8,000 employees. So you're talking about that was,
Starting point is 00:49:32 that was their main headquarters though, that they moved out to the Dallas Fort Worth area. Yeah, interesting. Hey, Justin, I have a conspiracy theory for you. Yeah, it's been a while. Now this has been too long. People have been, I saw this popping up. This was something that happened a little while
Starting point is 00:49:46 ago, but now people are talking more and more about it. So it brings up this conspiracy about, or the theory, I should say, is that of parallel universes. So in Mexico, somebody found a Nazi coin that appears to be legitimate, but the year on the Nazi coin is the year 2039. What? Yeah, so they they found where's the picture? Let me see. Well, I'll send it to the group. So, okay, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:50:14 So it's they have the Reichstag Nazi party symbol along with Nueva, Alemania, which translates to New Germany. And there's writing on the back and it says 20 39 and they're like is this a coin from a future? World wow where the Nazis won were wore to do this sounds just like that publicity stunt where they had those Nullers What a good call right and then obviously you saw it again in the news in a different location and you're just like
Starting point is 00:50:46 That's great. What is this? Yeah, yeah, like somebody probably made that coin and then like It just became like picked up by the news of like speculation That's not a bad idea. That's a pretty good little theory right there I mean we should we have the science to be able to test and see when it was made right so you should be able to yeah Yeah, I mean that's gonna poke that's gonna poke gonna poke hole in your carbon dating, isn't it? Wow. I say, you don't do you think it's bullshit anyway? So, let's get that carbon dating out.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Let's find out where that thing's going. No, I actually, I like, like some of the old conspiracies that I like about, you know, Nazi Germany that had basically a lot of men escaped and even like Hitler, like stages on death and was able to escape to Argentina and then they had some base that they built in Antarctica. Yes.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Have you ever heard of the Nazi connections to like the supernatural and like all kinds of things? Oh yeah, apparently there was a... Well, that is true. They were like very much obsessed with the occult in a lot of different like super natural Yeah, and there's something called the Nazi bell which was supposedly a time machine Then I'm sorry now and you said the secret bases in Antarctica Yes, where they do time travel project project high jump. I think is is one of those conspiracy theorists like wet dream
Starting point is 00:52:02 Where it's like you apparently, I think the US, I don't know if it's the Navy or it went on a reconnaissance and went down there and they actually met up with like you boats and they found like some German like different vehicles and things and planes from Nazi Germany. But again, I can't confirm any of that. Did you ever read about the Philadelphia experiment? Maybe Doug can look this up. This was the attempt at creating a cloaking system. And this was during, I wanna say this 50s,
Starting point is 00:52:41 maybe Doug can find out. And they used very powerful, I guess, magnets. What I mean with it, the point was that you weren't, that with this particular device, that the ship would become invisible because of the cloaking. So they fired it off or whatever. With people on board, this is how the story goes.
Starting point is 00:52:58 I did hear that. And it did disappear. But it literally disappeared. And then it reappeared. And people were vomiting and sick. And some people said that they ended up somewhere else and some people ended up like age or there was a whole movie
Starting point is 00:53:11 on it, the Philadelphia experiment. Is that the name of the movie too? That's the name of the movie too, Doug. Can you pull up? There's a movie called Cloak and Dagger, I thought that was maybe that's one of your times, you know, it's back in the 80s that we launched. Did you watch Cloak and Dagger on your kid?
Starting point is 00:53:20 That's a kid. Yeah, that was great, that's a good one. No, you know it's like, so back to Antarctica though, they actually showed natural, national, what was it, Nat Geo? Oh, yeah, so that publication put a picture out where this like, it's, I guess, quote, unquote, a natural formation
Starting point is 00:53:39 looks just like a pyramid. Antarctica, you're like, what? There's a cool picture of it. That's, that's a, I don't know how big it is. That's Santa's house. Hey're like, what? There's a cool picture of it. I don't know how big it is. That's Santa's house. Hey, are you current? Are you current on Boba Fett? Are you watching the, are you so good?
Starting point is 00:53:52 Are you watching it? No. No. Not yet. I'm going to start tonight. I just watched a watch half of the first episode of the gemstones. Oh, you did by sat. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Dude, please. Is that that fucking hilarious. They're so good. Great way to close their call in this conversation too, because we opened up kind of teasing the extreme left. I feel like this is the extreme right, right? Yeah, dude. This is the best satire for that,
Starting point is 00:54:18 yeah, for that like televanjalist kind of. Nobody's really touched that before, have they? I was trying to think of like a show or someone that's really well Yeah, not that well, it is they the cast is amazing the jokes are like over the top Dude, I've been to churches like this so why it's like so hilarious to me because The just the over production the the guy that thinks like he never made it as a rock star and he's like on stage just I totally have I knock people down with his hand. Yeah, the cares
Starting point is 00:54:52 Maddie in the slain in the spirit. Oh my god. It's so funny. What's that one guy's name? Joel Joel Joel steam didn't you get something? He's like in trouble right now or something they found a bunch of money Oh, no, it's one of the walls of, I don't know, a bunch of cash or something. And no, really? I got my skeptical, monical every time. What? What?
Starting point is 00:55:13 You're skeptical, what's this? Please Andrew. It's a thing. Yeah. If you could bring that out anytime somebody tells you something, they'll say you can just put on a monical. Just in here. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:24 Anytime you get somebody that well-known, that rich, like, yeah, guy is crushing it. You know, and it's like, dude, all for the glory of God, right? Yeah. Come on, guys. So now, okay, now, the defense, right, that he uses or that people use in defense of him
Starting point is 00:55:41 is that all of his money that he has and he's worth most of it, I guess, is from like his books and all the other stuff. Like he doesn't have like no money from the church supposed it goes to him. I know that hustle. And that's yeah, so that's the, no mind you use the church to build the congregation and the huge following of people. And so it indirectly you still are monetizing that way, right? But that's how I think that's how he gets away with it, right? You know, if you can make money and all that too and like help people, but you know, there's a certain kind of sleazy, snakey vibes.
Starting point is 00:56:11 Especially if you're selling to be not attached to material things, right? In spiritual, I get that. What does it say on them? Did it get caught with something more? It wasn't him. I mean, there was apparently $600,000 of cash and checks that were stolen from a, say from the church.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Okay. And they were found in the wall. So I don't think there's anything sorted about. Oh, I think condemning about that. I think the theory is that he, that his people said it was stolen and then hit it and tried to tell people, oh, we stole, the money was stolen. That was the theory, but I guess that's not.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Yeah, anyway, he's still kind of weird. Yeah. Hey, look, I, he's still kind of weird. Yeah. Hey, look, I know there's a lot of supplement companies out there that promises to deliver great results, but there's only one that spends a lot of time and energy on the delivery process, okay? So you could be taking supplements that your body just isn't assimilating
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Starting point is 00:57:30 You get any one product, they'll give you a sample of all six of their products for free. So go try them out. First question is from Matt Brandt 67. I only feel back squat to my quads. And am I doing something wrong or is that how it is with some people? It's very common there. Yeah, quads are one of the main muscles you're going to develop in barbell squats.
Starting point is 00:57:55 Obviously, it hits the glutes and the hamstrings as well. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, if you're saying that when you squat, you really develop your quads and you see very little or no development in other areas or you feel pain in some areas or your form is off, then I would look at strengthening some of the other muscles or changing your form and technique and going lighter, but otherwise it's quite common to feel it mostly in the quads. If you do feel it in your glutes, it tends to be the day after where you get a little bit sore.
Starting point is 00:58:26 This doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong, but I would say most people that I taught how to squat or watched them squat for the first time were quad dominant and a lot of that had to do with their mechanics and or their inability to get their glutes to like fire properly, right? So it's very common to have people with like tight hip flexors from sitting down all day, which when you have really tight hip flexors and you get into this quad position,
Starting point is 00:58:55 it tends to cause more of a forward lean, right? So then your chest kind of falls over forward more often. More so. More as much depth in your squatting. Right. So then you, so then you're going Over your your weight and the barbell are shifting over the quads more than it is kind of more midquad Right where we'd kind of like it to be because you but you can't be upright
Starting point is 00:59:16 Enough so then you get that and then to the point that Justin just made so I do think that even though it doesn't mean anything is wrong I think that most people when they learn to squat have got some issues that they got to address and work on to perform their squat better and feel it more. You know what? I don't feel my glutes as much while I'm squatting as I do afterwards. Yeah, same thing. Same thing.
Starting point is 00:59:40 So like, while I'm squatting, it feels like my quads are taking a lot of them. But when I get sore, I'll feel it on my glutes. Oh yeah, definitely. Well yeah, and listen, doing like a pause squat and I'm squatting, it feels like my quads are taking a lot of them. But when I get sore, I'll feel it, my glutes. Oh yeah, definitely. Well, yeah, unless I'm doing like a pause squat, I'm really trying to emphasize the bottom and the depth of the squat, which is something I would recommend if this is an issue, and you're not really connecting well,
Starting point is 00:59:56 and there's a lot of ways to connect to the glutes and obviously priming's a big part of that. So to spend some time in that direction and do anything that you can do to kind of pre-fire them up before hand going into your back loaded squats, I think that'll help to kind of balance the load there between the quads and the glutes.
Starting point is 01:00:18 I did a YouTube video. Maybe Andrew can link it right here. And it was, I think it's the most viral one we did. It was the one of the three secrets to make your butt grow to Justin's point about what he's talking about. That video isn't just for girls that want to make their butt grow. It's also for guys that want their butt to fire more when they're doing squats. So watch that video.
Starting point is 01:00:39 I think the priming moves that I take you through before you get into squatting, I think we'll help out. I'd say that, here's how you know something's wrong. Obviously, if you hurt in a way that's not, you're not supposed to hurt. Like muscle's burning, that's fine. Joint pain is an issue. If you feel it in your back a lot, that tends to be a big issue, your knees or your ankles a lot, that tends to be a big issue. And then if you're somebody that, like, you know, we're saying, wants to develop your glutes and you've been squatting and your glutes don't seem to be changing, but your quads are, then I would say, you know, do some hip thrust first or prime properly.
Starting point is 01:01:13 Watch your technique to fix that. But if you just feel squats and your quads and everything else is good, you're probably okay. Next question is from Vicki Lula 18. How much does age influence the ability to make muscle and strength gains? It really depends on the age. Now, here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:01:32 I, a lot of the clients that I would train as a trainer tended to be in the age group of, I would say, 35 to 45, I'd say, was a good chunk of the people that tended to hire me as a trainer. And when you're between 35 and 45 people like to say, oh my gosh, because I'm older, my body doesn't respond as fast, it's not that big of a difference in those age groups, at least not in comparison to consistency, good technique, good nutrition. Here's what tends to happen though.
Starting point is 01:02:02 You have more time to accumulate injuries and more time to accumulate poor movement patterns. So the challenge tends to be when I get a 40 year old, I have to correct a lot of things before we can really move forward. But straight up, here's a deal, I'm gonna tell you something right now, that some of the fittest people
Starting point is 01:02:19 I've ever trained in my entire career were people who were over the age of 38. And now it's not because they were at the prime age. I guess you could compare the prime age of 20 or 25 to that. You'd see there's probably some advantages. But the reason why people in their 40s tended to do so well, they were more wise, they were more consistent with their training. They had the wherewithal to know that they should probably work with a professional.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Whereas you tend to get a 23 year old who's got all the great age benefits, but that lacks the wisdom to get me help. I know I wouldn't have got help at that age. Don't you think that this is misunderstood because of all the studies that point that, oh, when we get older, you lose muscle, oh, when you get older, hormone levels come down. Right, hormone drops. So there's tons of research that's around this, and I think that's why this question comes up a lot.
Starting point is 01:03:07 I think this is why it's so misunderstood because someone will be like, wait a second, I just read somewhere that it says, as you get older, testosterone levels decrease or muscle loss happens. Or immediately feeds you and excuse. Right, and what people are understanding is that this is like this broad study of the average person that just goes through their life What tends to happen what you're not taking into consideration is all their habits and behaviors over the course of those those 20 years to your point So I like I've so I've had clients that were in the best shape of their life in their late 50s
Starting point is 01:03:38 Yeah But that's because their diet and exercise regimen in the late 50s was better than it's ever been in their entire life. So you just have to keep that into consideration. Now, do I think the older you get that you've, and you've prolonged those good habits, the harder it's gonna get, absolutely. If you take, if I get somebody who is 30, never exercise, never dieted or try to eat correct, right?
Starting point is 01:04:02 And they decide to do that at 30 years old. Do I think they have less of a hill to climb than the person who starts at 55? Yeah, of course, they do. But it has less to do with their age and more to do with like for 40 years, they haven't been exercising, they haven't been doing these things.
Starting point is 01:04:17 Therefore, hormone levels are down, they've lost muscle over those years, and so they have a bigger... Yeah, but you know, it's all the lifestyle that led into that. Yes. And so it's a matter... Yeah, but you know, it's all the lifestyle that led into that. Yes. And so it's a matter of like how much do we have to adjust and correct to even get close
Starting point is 01:04:31 back to like that honing in on that straight path. And so I think like the longer you wait to adjust and to correct a lot of these things that you know you should be doing right, you know, the harder it's going to be for you to then make gains. But you know for me I bought into a lot of the age thing for a while. Even as a trainer I was like I don't know if I can, you know, if my older clients were really gonna make like substantial progress other than just maintenance. You know or just like maintaining their strength. But I had a seven year old guy who actually gained muscle and gained 10 pounds of lean muscle
Starting point is 01:05:08 and it blew my mind. 70 years old and you can still gain muscle, but it was just an all new stimulus, very slow, methodical approach. Eating probably better. Eating really well, great community he was involved in. He was all in. And you know, and that happened.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Yeah, your body never loses the ability to adapt. When it does, you're probably about to die, right? So you can always adapt one way or another. And yes, adapting it positively might get more challenging as you get older. But what I find interesting is we tend to focus so much on the negative. Here's the positive that I think is great about as you get older. As you get older, if you're consistent with exercise and nutrition, the further you separate yourself from your peers, and it becomes not a small difference, a drastic difference. Like, if I took 25-year-olds that worked out and compared them in eight right and compared them to the average 25-year-olds, there's a difference, right? There's a bit of a difference between
Starting point is 01:06:03 the two. Minimal though. You take a 70-year-old that a bit of a difference between the two. Minimal though. You take a 70 year old that takes care of themselves and you compare that to a 70 year old, that's the average seven year old. It's light years of a difference. It's the difference between one group can completely take care of themselves,
Starting point is 01:06:16 have no issues, have no health problems, and the other one is on medications. Might have had some chronic health issues, might need assistance to be taking care of. Well, anybody on that list right now that is 40, north of 40 years old and has lifted an exercise most of their life has already experienced this.
Starting point is 01:06:33 If you've been exercising most of your life and you're already north of 40 years old, you've already watched this happen with your own family and friends. Like you see the, maybe when you were in your 20s and you were lifting like that, you didn't look that different or you weren't that separate, you weren't that much more in shape than the most of them or the average amount of them.
Starting point is 01:06:50 But man, once you start getting to 30 and then 40 and then 50, that gap just gets wider and wider. They get massive and also you know the hormone stuff and all that, age can influence that. But when all things are equal, age doesn't make as big of a difference, right? So if you have a 45 year old with healthy hormone levels and compare him to a 30-year-old with healthy hormone levels, there's a smaller difference, not a huge difference. When you throw all the other factors in, well, of course, then you can see some big differences.
Starting point is 01:07:18 But my best success has always been with people in that age group, and I think they take it more seriously, the more likely to take advice when you're younger, here's what happens when you're younger. Here's a big difference that I'll tell you right now, is that you get away with more because you, it's not cumulative. So when you're 25, you can have looser form and screw up a little bit
Starting point is 01:07:40 and whatever, when you're 45, you might have done that a few times. Now you're like, I can't screw up anymore because it's gonna hurt really bad. And it's not, I was haphazard in my 20s. Oh, I mean, when I was in my 20s, I was cautioned to the wind. I hadn't experienced any major injuries or pain,
Starting point is 01:07:55 but after a few times of that, now I'm much more careful and smarter about the way I train. And then here's the other thing nobody talks about. If you're consistent, muscle memory is amazing. It's so easy for me to maintain a body weight, you know, over 195 pounds with relatively lean, you know, with a relatively lean physique.
Starting point is 01:08:15 You know, when I was younger, man, it was a struggle. It was hard to keep that much muscle. Now it's like I can work out a fraction of the time and maintain that. So there's also this cumulative effect of a consistent exercise that stays with you and builds it. If you've ever met a 65 year old bodybuilder who's been working out consistently,
Starting point is 01:08:34 you can see that man, this person's got a lot of muscles that's just sticking around on their body versus when you're 25 and it's like, you know, you take a few days off or you skip a few meals and it just falls off your body. Next question is from Philip M. Carroll. What are your thoughts on fitness trackers, like whoop, apple watch, et cetera?
Starting point is 01:08:52 I think that these tools are great for people who are probably already consistent and probably already totally into fitness. I do not think that these tracking devices are gonna make a huge dent in the segment of the population that is challenged with being consistent with exercise. It's just more data, but it's not addressing the root cause of the issue, which has nothing to do with data.
Starting point is 01:09:13 We have lots of information. Everybody can look up calories and exercises and what to do. The issue is not data and information. The issue is how to get coached through that, how to develop the relationship with those things. And so I don't think they're gonna change much, but like trainers and people who are
Starting point is 01:09:30 consistent, really cool technology. I personally like them, but I do feel like there's a very much of a window of relevancy to them. And that being, in terms of understanding your own habits and just like when you track food, just like when you really pay attention to any of your behaviors,
Starting point is 01:09:54 I think that it brings awareness. So if you feel a certain feeling and it's able to help kind of give you a number to that and you can start seeing that matching your feeling, but really, you already had the feeling in terms of like, I don't feel like I'm 100% today and I'm over stressed and like, I'm pretty sure your body can tell you that and you can hone in on that. But, you know, and I'm talking about HRV in terms of it feeling like I have, I have like,
Starting point is 01:10:26 you know, I'm fully ready today and I could, I could press it and I could go a little more intense today. Or like step count or all these other kinds of things like I think you know whether you're active or not at a certain point And I think you should know that and that's really the point of it is not to be reliant on the number telling you how to dictate, how to navigate through your programming. I mean, I've said this at the beginning of the show that I love these things. I think they're incredible. I wish a lot of them existed when I first started as a trainer. I think Sal, you both bring up great points.
Starting point is 01:11:06 I think that you're right. I think it benefits the fitness enthusiast the most. It doesn't benefit my mom so much at all, really, because I don't think that she's in that place of even, the idea of it is education. It's to get you closer to understanding what's going on. Like, how is my body burning? And what is what happens when I eat like this?
Starting point is 01:11:29 And when I exercise like that, when I do this, and I don't do that, we've got all these incredible tools to help you get closer to understanding that. Most fitness enthusiasts are excited about that. And they want to know that. So this obviously is an incredible tool for them. Where I see it go wrong is when people want to compare all of them, like this person who's asking, whoop, apple, fitbit, like which one's better, you know, which one's more accurate, you know, and
Starting point is 01:11:56 they want to compare the reading it's giving them to exactly what they think their body is like. And that's the wrong way to go about this. It's like, listen, none of these things are precise. Even if it does line up precisely with your metabolism, generally speaking, none of these things are 100% accurate. And the idea is just a, like, Justin's point, is just to bring more awareness to what you're currently doing.
Starting point is 01:12:18 So if you go into it with that idea, that, oh, I'm using this to look at my own patterns, my own behaviors, oh, when I do this to look at my own patterns, my own behaviors. Oh, when I do this, and I think this is what's going to happen, and then I see the outcome because it's being tracked digitally for me, and I can go back and look at graphs and go, oh, wow, I was wrong here, or, oh, wow, I was spot on here, or I was a little off there. Like, that's where this thing becomes valuable, is to be able to use that as a way to get
Starting point is 01:12:43 a better education on what is going on with your body. Where you go wrong with it is looking at it like hard facts. Like, oh, my Fitbit said I burned 7,000 calories a day, so I can eat 5,000. I'm not going to get fat. Like, thinking like that is the wrong way to look at it. Use this data to get closer to understanding your metabolism. Tabletism is one of the, like, you know,
Starting point is 01:13:05 we're talking about the seven wonders of the world, right? You think this is the universe and metabolism, right? Is up there, metabolism, the brain. You know, first gut, brain, right? There's like, it's like one of the most complex things that we don't fully understand. And I think that these tools help us get a better understanding of it.
Starting point is 01:13:21 You can't expect them to be exact and precise to everybody. So stop looking at these tools like that, use them as a piece of education. But at the end of the day, the promise is it's going to help the average person. It's going to make this huge dent because of all this. And it's not because look at our obesity is on the rise still and these tools are getting better and better. Look, obviously a trainer working with you is the best possible thing you can have. Okay.
Starting point is 01:13:44 But here's what makes trainers effective. It's not because they tell you what to do. If you had a trainer, look, if I could hire a trainer for every American, but the trainer only told them what exercises to do and how many calories to eat and how many calories they burned, they would be ineffective. Trainers that are effective, coach people, they coach them through the process. These don't do that. They just give people data. There's already shit tons of data. them through the process. These don't do that, they just give people data. There's already shit tons of data, go on the internet, you get all the data you want that ever existed, you can access it all, does nothing.
Starting point is 01:14:11 People don't need data, people need coaching. And if you've been listening to this show long enough, you know this. This is why we don't sit and talk about proteins, carbs, and fats, and percentages, and ratios, because that's the shit that shouldn't change in people's lives. Does that mean that doesn't help me as a competitor to get any competitive shape?
Starting point is 01:14:29 No, of course, I needed that stuff. But to reach the general population, it's more about behavior and understanding yourself. And that's why we speak to that all the time. These tools are not changing that game. They're not, and they're not going to disrupt that whatsoever. Yes, for the fitness enthusiasts will help you to get more precise and a better understanding.
Starting point is 01:14:47 100%. Next question is from Pete on the gram. What are the best workout shoes? Yeah, you know, this reminds me of this question. So first off, it's depends on who I'm talking to. And this is this reminds me of something. So years ago, there was a book that was written about how running barefoot was the best way to run. And it was this author that went and observed people
Starting point is 01:15:11 who had run their whole lives barefoot and saw how the foot struck the ground. And it was different than when you had running shoes on. And the foot and the ankle are this great shock absorbers. And these people are running into their 70s and they have no back pain. And he's like, we've really screwed ourselves up by wearing running shoes that encourage encourages to get into run.
Starting point is 01:15:27 I think that you know, so we got. And you know, they encourage us to hit heel first and that causes all these problems. Whereas when you run barefoot or with these people around barefoot it was four foot first and all this other stuff. Well then you had all these people are like, oh my god, groundbreaking,
Starting point is 01:15:40 taking my shoes off and I'm gonna run and then you had all these injuries. The reason why I had all these injuries is because you gotta develop the muscles of the foot and the coordination, it's years and years of work. You can't just take your shoes off, expect to run and have all these amazing benefits. So, depends what I'm talking to.
Starting point is 01:15:57 If you have stability issues and ankle mobility issues, am I gonna tell you to go barefoot? No, you're gonna hurt yourself. You go barefoot, your feet are so weak and your ankles can't support you. Whatever weight you use to squat and lunge and overhead press and whatever, it's going to cause problems.
Starting point is 01:16:12 So ideally, if you've got great control, great mobility, everything's connected, your feet are healthy and strong, barefoot is the best. How many people are like that, very little. So the shoes you choose, they have to match who you are and your issues. And then if you want to progress to less supportive shoes, you can, but it's a methodical, slow,
Starting point is 01:16:36 and controlled process. And if you are at that point, barefoot, or shoes that have minimal support. But if I throw the average person in minimal support shoes or flatfooted I mean you're gonna cause problems because they just Our feet are so underdeveloped and our ankles have such poor mobility because the way we've treated ourselves for so long that Just not a good idea. It's kind of funny that in the fitness industry
Starting point is 01:16:59 We really didn't put any consideration around foot strength or zero. Yeah support And that shoes were a big contributor to that really didn't put any consideration around foot strength or any support. And that shoes were a big contributor to that. And I remember distinctly when I was training in a facility with independent trainers, which was a whole nother breed of trainer versus what I had at 24 hour fitness and everybody in there had the finger shoes, the toes, but also the chucks. And I remember that being like, they're cool shoes in all,
Starting point is 01:17:32 but like I'm like, how do you guys train in these things? That's crazy to me. Like I just thought it was crazy. I was all about the Nike shoes that had all the support and we're very much more athletic, driven, for running and all this kind of stuff. But honestly, the worse you to bring into the weight room because of the lateral stability, it was dog shit.
Starting point is 01:18:00 It was elevating my heels the whole time. And so for me to transition even from that kind of a shoe to Chuck's was quite a big step. And I remember feeling that difference right away with how my ankles were starting to talk to me, it worked up the kinetic chain. So it's a very much of something that you need to gradually approach if you are to transition to something with less support.
Starting point is 01:18:28 But you want to work your way towards something where you do, you are able to have some flexibility in your shoes. So, you know, your foot can figure out how to stabilize you a little more effectively. Well, what are we going to hear? We're going to hear Chuck's, Metcons, Vans, Vivo, Barefoot, whatever shoes like. Minimists. These are good, yeah, Minimists, right?
Starting point is 01:18:51 These are all gonna be the top shoes that are gonna make this list right here. And the truth is what makes them the top shoes is the closest to Barefoot. Exactly. So the ultimate goal is to be able to get to a place where you can work out Barefoot. I think that's the answer to this.
Starting point is 01:19:07 And whatever shoe is closest to it. I remember get to. Right, get to. That's why I'm saying, it's very similar the way we talk about squatting astagrass. It should be a good goal. So if you're not squatting astagrass right now,
Starting point is 01:19:18 it doesn't mean I'm telling you tomorrow, you can't break 90 right now, and then you hear on the show, I say, go squat. Go squat yourself. Yeah, don't go get down there just because we say to do that, but work towards that. Work on the hip mobility and ankle mobility
Starting point is 01:19:31 to be able to get into a deep squat. The same thing goes with barefoot training. And what does that look like? Well, it looks like first walking around barefoot. Like if you don't take your shoes, right now, if the only place you ever take your shoes off is like, before you go to bed, like, you ought to practice that first. Like anytime I'm at a place where it doesn't like
Starting point is 01:19:49 require I have shoes, like obviously I'm not some weirdo when I go into the grocery store and shit I'm walking in their barefoot and stuff like that or walking around out here in public downtown like that. But when I get home, one of the first things that comes off are my shoes. My shoes come off and I'm barefoot. So you can things the shirt. Anytime. I don't even have the time to My shoes come off and I'm barefoot. So you can things with the shirt.
Starting point is 01:20:05 Anytime. I don't even have a tie to see. And then when I'm in the backyard with Max and we're playing in the sand and the tan bark and the dirt, like 100% we're barefoot. Like so, and that's how it started for me was. And by the way, like, it was just not that long ago where my feet were completely asleep
Starting point is 01:20:21 and I had no connection to them and I couldn't squat, astagrass, and they my feet both pronated. So I was a mess here. So it's not like this is going to take you forever to do this, but it just starts with those practices first. It starts with you first doing those little things by taking the shoes off and walking around barefoot.
Starting point is 01:20:38 Then you can start doing some body weight type of movements work on stability, right? So this is where a place where before I go and throw 400 pounds in my back and squat barefoot, I'm gonna do some lunges to a balanced barefoot. You know, I'm gonna do some things that are single legs. So I have to work on that ankle stability and strength and foot strength at the same time. But build those muscles up, get strong on your feet.
Starting point is 01:21:00 I have specific shoes I wear for specific lifts, and that's just because I don't take the time necessarily to go and really develop my feet and my ankles, just full disclosure. So when I deadlift, I like very flat shoes. I wear chucks when I deadlift. If I overhead press, I'll also like to wear chucks. If I'm barbell squatting, I wear squat shoes
Starting point is 01:21:19 because the heel is elevated and it compensates for my lack of ankle mobility. If I'm doing anything on a bench, I don't care because my feet really don't matter if I'm sitting or laying on a bench. So, that's the way you got to think about it. Like, what are you willing to do? What are you willing to work towards? But don't go barefoot for the sake of going barefoot.
Starting point is 01:21:36 If you don't have the right stability and strength in your feet and you just go and take off your shoes or go super flat, you're setting yourself up for potential injury and pain. Even walking barefoot, I've even had people say, oh, I took all my shoes off and just walk barefoot and then they get issues with the bottom of their feet and they're like, why am I getting fascia issues and say, well, you always walk around and heels.
Starting point is 01:21:59 So it's a slow gradual process. Our bodies have totally adapted to wearing shoes. And if you've ever looked at a picture of a hunter-gatherer's foot next to a modern person's foot, it is interesting. Forget the bottom. You're gnarly looking. Forget the bottom of the foot with the thick skin and all that stuff. Just look at the top of the foot.
Starting point is 01:22:19 Like toes are spread out and open and it's like this nice Like a muscular wide strong foot and then you got the modern feet where the toes are all brought together and at weird anglers crushed and it's like we've really done a number ourselves and by the way Some of this damage can be reversed not all of it if you have children Do this when they start walking? This is how you prevent these issues because once you go past a certain point you can fix some of it like atoms Fixed a lot of it, but will he ever have the kind of feet that he would have like my son when he was I won't have feet like my son That's true. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing the same thing with my with my baby son, right? So some of the damage and you ever look at pictures of like pro basketball players
Starting point is 01:22:59 Oh, it's terrible because they had such big feet. They probably couldn't get shoes that fit probably I think it's weird You imagine if you imagine if a pro basketball player is like, oh, I heard barefoot was good. I'm gonna go play pro, you know, I'm gonna go play basketball. No shoes on. It hurt themselves like crazy. It's just word of caution.
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