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Episode Date: January 19, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: How the current body acceptance movement is harming people’s health. (4:25) Our idea of success is flawed. (17:08) The staggering weight gained, by demographic, during the pandemic. (20:53) A parent hack brought to you by Table Topics. (26:33) Butcher Box, putting that meat in your box. (33:17) The crisis of cars. (36:01) Turo, the Airbnb of cars. (41:23) The guy’s favorite Vuori pants. (47:47) Yet another study how exercise benefits the brain. (49:04) #ListenerLive question #1 – Do you know anyone who has intertwined the medical and fitness industries? (52:38) #ListenerLive question #2 – What is the value of digestive enzymes, and can I become reliant on them? (1:02:44) #ListenerLive question #3 – Should I be concerned about high LDL cholesterol levels when in the context of things, I am overall healthy? (1:12:07) #ListenerLive question #4 – What are some ways to develop fast strength and power? (1:25:04) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] January Promotion (#1): NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTIONS SPECIAL BUNDLE OFFERS January Promotion (#2): MAPS Anabolic 50% off **Code “JANUARY50” at checkout** What the Future of Fitness Really Looks Like Mind Pump #1495 The Science Of Happiness With Arthur C. Brooks Average undesired weight gain reported by adults in the United States since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic as of Feb. 2021, by demographic Conversation starters - Icebreaker Games | TableTopics Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Peer-to-peer car-sharing company Turo files IPO to go public – TechCrunch Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Exercise alters brain chemistry to protect aging synapses Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP10” at checkout** Mind Pump #1720: The 8 Worst People To Take Diet Advice From Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum Mind Pump #1587: Getting To Root Cause Of Low Energy, Skin Issues And A Poor Libido With Dr. Stephen Cabral Mind Pump #1567: How Not To Die From Heart Disease With Dr. Alo Stop Working Out And Start Practicing – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee)  Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks)  Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral)  Instagram Ben Greenfield Fitness (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram

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Ooh, I like when you bring fire. Let's bring fire. Let's talk about the current body acceptance movement. So the current body acceptance movement, by the way, I understand why it exists. It is an extreme reaction to the body, I guess, shaming that the fitness media industry, the popular fitness diet and health industry did for so long. So what they do, what they're doing is they're trying to fight that, which is saying, if you're not lean, if you're not super ripped, if you don't look super sexy, you're worthless, you're dumb, whatever.

And they're trying to fight it with, hey, if you're really overweight, that's healthy, if you're really overweight, accept it, it's great, it's wonderful, it's healthy, it's not bad, which I think is just an equally ridiculous, just opposite end of the spectrum message. Now this was inspired from yet another, is it a magazine that put on the cover yeah

I think we were all tagged again on this right it was itself magazine so self magazine made this this pivot I think about a year and a half two years ago and they're doubling and tripling down on uh woke fitness here right and trying to and they're and what they're highlighting is and I don't fitness sells right like this, like this is a reaction, fair, to, right, totally fair for us to react to the decades of poor messaging coming from the fitness space, focusing completely on how we look, and it's out, news is out, all these people

that have six pack abs and look amazing on some of these other magazines are not that healthy Yeah, they look good, but they're not technically healthy. A lot of this function there too. Yeah tons of dysfunction Many of them are taking steroids like you name it the green bottom are maybe good people they got all kinds of insecurities Okay, news is out. We know that we've been saying that forever So here is the the over correction to that is okay Well, if that's true then let's the over correction to that is, okay, well, if that's true, then let's stream over correction. Like, when are we going to get anywhere close to the middle again?

By the way, hating yourself or hating your body can look like both, right? It can look like either. Lots of people in our space, and I know I've worked in fitness forever. So, and I've said this before, people who work in our space, a higher percentage of them have eating disorders and dysfunctional relationships with their bodies in the average population. But you can hate your body and become so obsessed with that that you don't have good relationships, you do things that harm your body, you overexercise, you overedie it, just to look a particular way and never satisfied always hating yourself. On the other end of the spectrum, you could also disregard your health, use food as a drug, as a way to medicate yourself,

as a way to bury your feelings, not paying attention to the poor health effects that those things cause you become very obese as a result. It's really the same thing just different. It's really is just the other end. It is. And we have to be there's nothing wrong with honesty. So there's nothing wrong with saying being obese, regardless of any other factor, this is a fact,

being obese has negative health impacts on you. It's got negative health effects. And what leads to obesity are dysfunctional behaviors, are behaviors that aren't healthy or good for you. And oftentimes, look, the most abused drug in America, I'll make this argument all day long as food. Food, by far, if it were a drug, it would be categorized at the top in terms of damage.

Ignoring the reality of what obesity, morbidly obese of what obesity morbidly obese individuals face is just not a service that is providing anybody any kind of value. We have to get beyond feelings and we have to get beyond all this stuff and get back to like really just trying to focus on helping people get back to a healthy body again. So I'm always torn on responding to these things.

Like we all got tagged on this. I get tagged on post or magazine articles like this all the time. And a lot of times I don't even comment or respond and it's not because I don't have an opinion on it or I don't think it's ridiculous or get me fired up or whatever. But the truth is, I don't think self-magazine is stupid.

I think they probably recognize exactly what we're saying, but they don't give a fuck because they're in the business of people talking about. That's a big market. If you consider almost 40% of America. Yeah, but it's placating. It's not fucking, it's not them seriously getting behind and supporting.

It's that it will sell more magazines to a demographic that maybe was not buying self magazines before, and it will get the other side. So maybe the group that was originally reading and then doesn't like the messaging, talking about it, and it'll get fitness people like us fired up and sharing it. Otherwise, I haven't fucking talked about self magazine

ever before. Oh yeah, I know. The talked about self-magazine ever before. Oh, yeah, I know. The last two times they've done these type of, cover of a magazine and headline. So sometimes I avoid talking about it or getting involved in it, because I don't want to feel the fire anymore. It's like, that's really what they're looking for.

It's the same thing why CNN loves Donald Trump and why freaking Fox loves radical- Loaded liberals screaming, you know, fucking woke kids. Like it's just, as much as they talk bad about it, they love it because it gives them attention, right? So sometimes I think that that's what this play is really about. It's this massive virtue signaling thing

that really doesn't matter that much because at the end of the day, if it sells more magazines or it gets more millions of people talking about them, they win. Well, there's no weight to it. It's not helping anybody. It's just, again, it's just serving a certain person, like, it's just noise.

Just noise, yeah. It's either argue about or justify, you know, like somebody's feelings. Obesity is the result of a dysfunctional relationship with yourself and with food, okay, that's the result of it. So it would be no different than a magazine showing an alcoholic and saying, this is healthy, this is me loving myself, right? It's not, it's not.

So you can be honest, that doesn't mean you should hate yourself, it also doesn't mean you shouldn't be empathetic, but you should be honest. Now I agree with you Adam, but there's another side to it is 40% of Americans are obese. A pretty big chunk of that 40% have tried diets, are sick and tired of the diet industry,

the fitness industry, which now has been around at large for at least three or four decades. And so if you're the person put in this magazine out, you're like, here is a segment of the market that will buy this, they'll love this message, they'll love the, that we're telling them, don't change anything, it's totally fine, it's all good, this is you caring about yourself.

And I'm gonna be honest, if I'm the person that hated my body for 15 years, and I was told to do crazy diets and, you know, to over train myself and- It resonates with you. I'm gonna be like, oh my gosh, thank God. Yeah, of course. Somebody said something like this, right?

And oh my gosh, look, someone's on the cover that looks like me. And so I get it. That's also why it's hard for me to and I did though, I still I took the bait and I still commented on that stupid post. But I hesitate to do it because I also know that that exact person is following that page and feels that way and me being the fitness guy. That's why I'm so very careful. I'm not going to reach them. Well, I'm not like that, but I'll turn them off. I'll turn that person off. Exactly why I like this.

Yeah, because then I then I get automatically pushed into the fat shaming category because I can't, because I can't objectively look at and say, no, that's not health. This person is not any more healthy than the person you're talking about who has any other addiction. It just happens to be food and you're trying to justify it that way.

And you're getting away with justifying that way because unfortunately my people, my fitness, my fitness group of people have fucked this industry for so long and have forced you in this position. And so this is the repercussions of that. I'm glad you said that because if you do work in the fitness and health space and this is largely talking to coaches and trainers because I believe that the majority of coaches and trainers have a deep passion for helping people. If this is you and you really are in fitness to help people, right?

So it's not this narcissistic reason or whatever. You actually want to help people. When you comment on stuff like this and when you talk about this, be careful. Don't just rally the other fitness people that want to hear you say how bad it is, but rather understand that you're communicating to people that need to hear this message in an empathetic understanding way and in a way that's going to help them,

because otherwise what you'll do is you'll radicalize them even further. But I think we should always speak out. We just got to be smart about it. Why do we got to always speak out? Because this type of mentality is a cancer. The mentality that says take no responsibility and it's everyone else's fault and it's all great. This mentality spreads like wildfire. It is alluring to people. Ultimately damaging but initially alluring and it spreads like crazy and then to counter it is difficult becauseult because the second you counter it you're labeled a fat shamer. Oh, you just are shaming fat people It's like oh, and it's hard to like how do I counter that? No, I'm not what's in then you're on the defense, right? So we have to speak out on this because just like we speak out on the other bad messaging and I feel so bad because

The a majority of people struggle with this so you know, it's a again. It's a majority of people struggle with this. So, you know, it's a, again, it's a majority of us struggle with this. Oh my gosh, they're getting bombarded from all angles with terrible messaging. Like, when we started the podcast, remember when we first met, we were at your house atom. And I think I said, something like 95% or more of the information that's being sold or given to people in regards to weight loss or health and fitness is terrible.

I remember you guys agreeing and that's true. It's like most of the results I- Well, it's what inspired the content that we produced right? We knew that there was, which is how I answered to when people asked, like, how have you guys done 1700 episodes and aren't you already afraid to run out of content? Like, no, as long as the fitness place keeps fucking pushing out garbage information. So much.

So much. So much. Oh, God, it's just so frustrating though. I swear to God, if I could just take like the last two, three years worth of content, any of these publications is put out, just put it in a dumpster and set on fire. That would be the move. That would be a big fire. Yeah, there's a lot of garbage out there just put it in a dumpster and said, I'm fire. That would be the move.

That would be a big fire. Yeah, there's a lot of garbage out there, but it's very sad. It's very sad because if I were in that person's shoes and I didn't know any better, I would fall for it. I would, as terrible as I have, is I would have felt having failed at my attention. That's why I feel like it should anger you though.

It should anger you as a fitness professional, even if it is like, it's just contrary to good information. It's not good information to provide people. And you do have to approach it with soft gloves because you know who's, again, paying attention to who you're trying to actually reach people. And it's manipulating people. But it does make me angry.

It's manipulating people the same way that when the fitness industry says things like, you're no good because you're fat, you're unattractive, you have no value, you know, they pray on your insecurities, it's just as manipulative. It's no different. It's just a different angle, but it's extremely manipulative. It gets me fired up and passionate,

but I don't get angry over it. I mean, the truth is extremely it gets me fired up and passionate, but I don't get angry over it. I mean the truth is It it provides opportunity for us to be completely honest, right? So if if all the information out there was good or aligned with what we talk about we wouldn't have much of a job We live in a free country in a right at least right now we do And so it's not like this is a government-mandated way of thinking. And so everybody has to, then that would make me a lot more angry. And I have the opportunity to have a smarter, louder, better voice.

And so that's why I don't get too upset about it. Yes, I can get passionate and fired up over topics like this because I see so many sheep and people being fooled by it. But I don't get that mad. I mean, we have the ability to be able to counter that message in with what we do today. So, it's the long game. Yeah, it is what it is.

The short reactions never really do much, right? It's about being consistent. And the angry reactions, you're right Adam, the angry like, you know, it's your responsibility. Go do it, you're lazy. You're not helping anybody. You gotta do this. You're like, you're just as guilty, right? I'm not sorry. It's maybe not, go do it, you're lazy. You are not helping anybody. You gotta do this. You're like, you're just as guilty, right?

I'm not sorry. It's maybe not the best transition, but it does remind me of the post that Gary Vee just did about money. He was asked recently about his definition of success, and he kind of went on this little rant about how fucked up we have it as a nation right now, like this idea of how we measure and say

success as anyone to talk about, like, statistically what the one percenters are as far as revenue so that. And he says, you know, the crazy part is, you know, I've got plenty of friends at all spectrums, friends that are making $30,000, $60,000 a year and a hundred grand a year to friends that are making millions and millions of dollars. And he goes, I know more unhappy, depressed, fucking, you know, multi-millionaires than I do people that make 60 grand to it.

And he goes, I know people that are unbelievably happy in life making 90 grand, 80, 90 grand a year and so on that. So this idea of like what we've painted the picture of success and what it's supposed to look like. It's so flawed. It's also with beauty. Arthur Brooks told me this, he said, if you were on a scale of one to 10 of five in terms of beauty,

and you devoted all your time and resources to get yourself from a five to a nine, so you're going from the middle to like, you're one of the most beautiful people, he says that your happiness would increase by something like less than 5%, so I'm like, that's like 3% increase. And now it lines the same with money, right?

It does, and studies will show that. If your basic needs are met and you're not struggling, past a certain point, it doesn't provide any additional value or happiness. And it's funny, we place all of our eggs in the baskets of money, you know, beauty, material items, stuff like that. When those are, they're not very valuable in terms of happiness, it really aren't. I would make the same case for chasing like aesthetics too.

That's the transition I was looking for in that, bringing that up and what you're saying is just that, we have this idea of having this crazy ripped cover of a magazine 20 years ago is like the ultimate, but how many people do you know that have, you know, sacrificed so much to get their body to look at whether it be taking drugs or being like, you know, not going out or doing anything for a year, two years, which would be a lot of these competitors and stuff like that to

look this way. And they're unhappy and miserable. So that's, I do get the movement on the like, by the way, sometimes people are rich and sometimes people are ripped because they're unhappy in other words That's right. They're trying to fix their unhappy. They're medicating with it. Yes They're they're medicating with fitness. I mean, that's exactly what I saw when I got into competing though Boom my mind was I really did not expect that I really thought that When I got behind stage and I got a chance to meet all these,

the one percent in the, it's like thinking that you're in the back room with all the millionaires, right? I'm like, I can't wait to pick their brains and hear what they have to say for advice and then realizing, oh my God, they're all miserable. But they all have terrible advice or like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, that's what it felt like when I got back there with all these competitors and had these incredible physiques, I just thought, oh my God, most of these kids back here are just, they have incredible discipline and sacrifice and they've been able to do it for years on years but they're miserable inside and their way of going about it is awful and if that is what success looks like,

I want nothing to do with it. You're doing it with the irony is, if you do become wealthy, the process is what can make you happy, not the money. So it's very different winning money versus learning how to build wealth through following a passion or doing something that you feel is meaningful.

In that case, the process is what makes you happy. Same thing with fitness. It's not the goal, it's not that you're looking a particular way that makes you happy, but rather the pursuit, as long as it's healthy, right? If it's a healthy pursuit, it's the pursuit that provides a lot of the happiness that you may get. You know, it's funny. I just, somebody sent me, so there's a website called Statista.com where you can look up statistics. You guys might hear something crazy. This is, this is, this is the average weight gain reported by US adults. Oh, I just saw somebody post this.

Is that true? The like the 40 pounds in the millennials this last year? Is that what you're gonna read? So average weight gain reported by US adults during the COVID-19 pandemic as of 2021. So as of February 2021, by demographic, you guys ready for this? Yeah, this is the one I think.

All US adults, 29 pounds, that's the average. Men, 37 pounds, women, 22 pounds. People aged 18 to 24, 28 pounds. Millennials, which are 25 to 42. I didn't know I was a millennial. We're all millennials in here, do you guys know that? You know, we're not, you know, they keep recategorizing it.

We're trying to push this in that category. I know, I know, I know, it says bullshit. It says, it says. Don't you remember everybody was giving me a whole new one? When I was talking about the millennial thing all the time, we were going to go technically, items of millennial. I know, so, well, we're on the cusp between millennials and generation X, but anyway,

anyway, millennials, 41 pounds, generation X hurts 21 pounds, boomers, 16 pounds, and then it goes on and on. Yes, the average person gains 41 pounds. How interesting is that, like, one pound? Technically, boomers should have gained more, right? If you look at all the other studies that are about like hormones and the ability to build muscle

and to lose weight as you get older and survive that, but ironically, you know why I think they gained the least, I have a theory, because I saw that at first, I was like, wait a minute, how did older people gain less than people who might think they're important? Well my theory would be, wait to hear your, my theory would be that the millennials had the most dramatic shift

in their lifestyle. Yeah, totally. So like if you're a millennial, you're still young, maybe you're playing sports and doing active things and getting out there and doing things and then or just going to work. Yeah, yeah, just active, right? You're way more active because you're in your 20s and early 30s.

And boomers are probably kind of, you know, half of them are retired. I didn't change much. Yeah, I don't really go that many many places. Yeah, yeah. So that would be my prediction. That's what I thought. That's what I thought to you. I thought that people who are already retired, really don't really change a whole lot.

Plus it took like my mom, like half the pandemic to figure out how she could order groceries and food to her house. She was still going. So it took that. So still. That's a good point. The millennials were on it right away. Millennials like, oh my god, there's an app for this.

Oh my god, there's an app for that. And they had it all figured out by week one. They already have the occupants. Boopers were like, Boopers like, what? You could have your food delivered? So this is another statistic that I think we'll support the theory that we're gonna see

huge influx of gym goers and interest and fitness in this first quarter of 2022. So this massive weight gain, which is, I believe it's two or three times faster or more than what we normally see, if not higher. They didn't have kids on this, by the way, that would have scared. I bet you if we saw children, I bet you that really would have scared people.

Anybody who has digital fitness programs can do really well. Anybody who has a physical fitness program. Yeah, that's terrible. You just could have put it out there. I like your predictions, right? I know, dude, it's so sad, but yeah, I think you're right, because a lot of the people in that age group, their work said, stay home.

Yeah, that's my guess. And then they just ordered food, and they watched Netflix, and then go anywhere. And I wonder if, you know, logically, wouldn't boomers be more stressed out about the pandemic? Can you say the highest risk? No, no, I think most,

I mean, the boomers I talked to, you know why? Because it's not their first rodeo. Exactly. Not the first time the fuck's my tree was gonna freak out. They've been through missile crisis They've been through other shit that was as scary or scary and I'm like oh here and then a lot of so It was interesting to me to see and it still is this is happening right now Yeah, they've had world wars. It really seems to me that, you know, this division of left and right that we've seen more than we've ever seen,

that the younger generation is involved in it more than I would say in the past, if I was at a dinner or hearing someone of my family or friends debating politics, it's the old dogs that were kind of debating over some, you know, economic philosophy or social issues that are going on, it was this kind of like older conversation. It's the opposite now. I see them being being like oh, who gives a fucker. It's just like oh old

Norman's whole bit was like oh really? Yeah, the whole thing is like how you know We've won as adults because now like you know the younger generations are taking on all the problems and trying to solve the world Shit and the rest of us are playing video games Video games. Yeah. It's true. I mean, that's what I feel like. Don't you guys feel that way? Yeah, that's because they're told, kids are told now that they need to care

and it's all over their media. Social media is used more by kids and it's on social media. Whereas before, the fear stuff was on the news. Everybody's in activists now. No kids watch the news. When I was a kid, you don't watch the news. Like, okay, six, oh, news is on. I'm gonna go play now.

My cartoons are over, whatever. But, you know, something else to consider. Older people when they're stressed. So this might play a role, sometimes lose weight. So, not to downplay, you know, what you might have said about boomers not necessarily stressing as much. But one thing that's interesting is when you're younger and you get stressed, you're more

likely to gain weight and when you're older and you're stressed, I think sometimes you see that. Is that true? Lose weight. Yeah. I've trained a lot of older individuals. They pick up smoking instead. No, they just don't eat as much.

They just don't eat as much. The boomers lay off, fuck, and give me a packet of cigarettes. Well, okay. Mama, wait out. It's the biggest weight. If you're like, let's say you're in your late 60s, you're less likely to all of a sudden become obese. If you're health declines, you tend to lose weight.

It's what you tend to see. More often, I would say than people in younger. Well, speaking to like, the younger generation and kids and whatnot, like there's a parent hack that I found that we actually, we got this game because I think it was my in-laws, they had this and they said, here, try this out, this is works great. Not my in-laws, my brother-in-law, his family

uses this, but basically it's called table topics. And so every time we have dinner now, like you just pull a card out of there and it's really interesting because it asks you sort of a moral dilemma kind of question. And you get to kind of go around and ask and see like what they would do in that situation. You get so much insight on the way that these kids think and my kid specifically, it was interesting. Like you asked something like,

I think one of them, let's see, I try and remember, one of them revolved around like if you were at your friend's house, would you rummage through and look through things at their house when they're not looking? Or other ones about like a bank. If you knew that your best friend had stolen money from somewhere or whatever and didn't get caught, would you turn him in?

It's all these like, not that gave me some. Yeah. But it's like, it's like all these black muons. So I shared this as a relationship hack a long time ago. I don't know if you guys remember that, Maybe because you didn't know what that game was. So we've had this for a long time. And this was something that Katrina and I started doing. Like I talked about before we would listen to an audio book

together. This game is another thing that we would do. We would like, we'd sit there and bet it. We just pull one out. And it was just, it's the way they pose the questions. It creates like this dialogue. It's not straightforward, yes or no. I would do you have to like kind of like,

it creates a scenario where you really get to see, it dive into maybe your partner. So there's an causing argument? Well, I mean, it could. It's absolutely, it's absolutely good. It absolutely could, but I also think that there, I mean, I think there, I wish I remember like some of the ones that Katrina and I,

that I mean, we would be together think that there, I mean, I think I wish I remember like some of the ones that Katrina and I had that, I mean, we would, we would be in there, been together at that point, but at least nine years or so, so knew each other, I would say really well, but there would be things that we would start discussing. I'd be like, oh, wow, I didn't really know that you believed that or thought that way and is because there are specific scenarios like that. Yeah, in terms of, so the difference between even like my youngest and oldest, how they answer, because my youngest is so black and white. This is right, this is wrong.

Most little kids are like, no great, which is great, because I always want to hear his take first. And then you hear Ethan's more nuanced kind of well. I wonder if he really needed that money and you needed something for helping you know, helping somebody else or, you know, what the, like, he wants to know more context, more details.

And that's, and then I, I would like add on top of that. And like, what about if you consider this? Like, so it was, at least it starts like a really good conversation that you can kind of go around with. Little kids are like that. They tend to be more black and white. All right, I got a moral dilemma question for you. So you said moral, I remember a moral dilemma question for you.

So you said moral, I remember a couple that we did in psychology class and we debated and it was fascinating. So here's one. Let's say you had a time machine and you could go back in time to when Hitler was a baby. Oh, I forgot. And you could kill him. Yeah, I would do it.

And it was just great. First of all, what would you do? No, they're a baby killer. The answer is yes that everyone would typically say, but the truth is no they wouldn't, because as a baby, you wouldn't know that he was going. No, even if you knew, if you go back and you know that's Hitler, right?

You still got to kill a baby though. And not only that, but he's innocent at that point. He's done nothing. That's what I'm saying. So it's this dilemma, but then you'd save all these people and whatever. And then there's another one where there's a kid. There's just kidnap them.

Huh? And raise them, right? Yeah. And chain them up. Exactly. Yeah, kidnap them. Put them in a crate. Put them in a crate.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, feed his is a art career. Hey, hey, hey art skills. What is that movie? What is that? It was a TV show or a movie or show. It was a series. I believe it was called, not start with an F. Come on Adam, I can get this. We talked to it. It had the multiple universes.

And when you go back, you would go back in time and you would do something like that. And they would like, they would change something. But then it changed the trajectory. So let's say you kidnapped him, but then he became even more torturous because he was angry, right? So you stopped one thing from happening,

and then it just took all these other things. Yeah, you have no idea. If you did that and then you ended up raising him right, but it just made him a better dictator. And you ended up, right, now he had better skills. You know what I'm saying? So he ruled longer. Here's another one. Here's another one, right? Right, right. Now he had better skills. You know what I'm saying? So he ruled longer.

Here's another one. Here's another one, right? A train is speeding down a track and it's going to run over a person that you can't free. So they're on the track. No, it's gonna run over a hundred people who are on the track and you can't do anything about it, except pull a lever and switch it to another track

that only kills one person. Do you pull the lever? So that's another dilemma, right? What do you do? Oh, sitting there. So you're saving one to a hundred people? Yeah,. Do you pull the lever? So that's another dilemma, right? What do you do? You're sitting there. So you're saving one to 100 people? Yeah, so if you pull it, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you pull it, it'll,

But don't mind how you're killing it, you're killing people. Well, you're gonna kill, you're gonna treat your one. You're gonna treat your one, right? Why wouldn't you let me? No, the dilemma would be if the one person was somebody you knew. That would put it a whole new dilemma.

Cause that's an easy answer. No, I don't, that's a hundred. A hundred, what? That's not, like, well yeah. I'll kill a random, a hundred random people over one person. That's my, that's the truth. I mean, I'm being honest here. If that's an easy answer. I don't know, that's 100. What, that's not like, well yeah. I'll kill a random, a hundred random people over one percent. That's the truth. I'm being honest here.

If it's like my family, that hasn't been that way. Because it would be sad. If it's a hundred strangers and one stranger, that's the, that's an off, there's no dilemma there. No, the dilemma, the dilemma is still this. If you pull the lever, you're a murderer. If you don't, you didn't do anything.

That's my point is like, if they're gonna get murdered, like let, let that be on whatever the scenario is, I don't wanna be a part of it. Yeah, so that's such a tough, so I think that's, so for me, that one's an easy one, because I think it's like at that point, regardless of, I'm a murder,

yeah, I mean, I'm either allowing 100 people to get murdered or I'm making sure only one person dies. You're asking questions, I'm a numbers guy, you guys. That's why it's easy, man, for me. Where it becomes a dilemma is if my family or friend someone I know is on the side. That's an easy one.

If it's somebody I care about and it's a hundred random people, and this will be sad, it'll be very upset about this. But most people, hey, you're lying if you're not, if you say you wouldn't. No, you're right. Of course you would.

You're right, but it does make you think for a minute a minute. They're like, ah damn dude. I know I would do it on what friend like one friend's worth like 50, but not quite a hundred Yeah, I have a higher right? Yes, it I put a point system there. So anyway stuff you got to think about so I'm going to ask you Your opinion about this Justin cuz I know you're all about meeting your box. Have you seen the new You like the like put your box. I'm talking about butcher box right box. Have you seen the new offer? Whoa, there, whoa. No, you like it, like put your box. I'm talking about butcher box right now. Have you seen the commercial transition?

I love that meat in the box. Yeah, have you seen their offer? What's going on right now, Doug? There's this like new year's bundle. It's a variety meat box, I think. Yeah, there are. Seven pounds of meat right in your box. They put that meat in the box.

Is that really what it says on their ad? It's right here. It says that's more than seven pounds a meat added to your first box for free. Oh, so this is what they're now. That would be that. So you know it's okay. If mine pump was doing your ads, that's what it would look like. Yeah, just take seven pounds of meat in your box. How do we fit seven pounds of meat in your box? And we'll throw in some free pig sign up I love this no check this out This is what they giving you ground beef chicken thighs and pork butt so for free

So I don't know how are they doing this with inflation? Have you seen the inflation numbers? How are there butcher box doing this with their Boxes, but God bless. I would imagine that they already have a deal is made with like private farmers because it's coming from mostly private farmers right a bunch of Yeah, local and they Local and they're looking for quality, right? Grass-fed grass-fed grass-fed. So a lot of that stuff isn't regulated by other stuff that's getting all kinds of subsidies and stuff, right? So they're less impacted in flu and spot that.

I would believe, I would think. I would think, I don't know. I would believe they're impacted. They're always impacted. But less so because there's less middleman, right? Because you're not going three or four steps down, but I mean, seven pounds for free in your, that's a lot. No, that's, that's, you always got options.

That's the biggest thing is I love coming home. It's like, if in doubt there's some meat in the, in the freezer that you can make something out of it, you know, that, and it helps. Oh, I bought a, I have a freezer in the garage. I have not, not just a deep freezer, which they're inexpensive, but I don't know. It's like a hundred bucks. Like build the meal off the meat,

then you build everything. And I'll get like a lot, like a fits on sale or whatever, a butcher box has a deal. I'll fill it up and it's all there. Ready to go and you just pull it out, defrost it for the next day and cook it and you got healthy food. And everyone who's saved a lot of money

and money, that's true. We were talking about this earlier. You guys look at your bill when you eat out. Food prices gone through the roof, bro. It's crazy. Yeah, it's been, yeah, it's one of those things that you don't really pay attention a lot at times of the receipt.

And then I just started looking at it and was like, oh my God, like hundreds of dollars. You know, I have, I got three kids. When we go out to eat, if we go out to a semi-whatever restaurant, not even talking about like, you know, super nice, just like a normal regular restaurant you take your family to, it's 200 bucks, at least, for all of us. I'm gonna spend 200 bucks on the bill

just to eat, you know, some food or whatever. It's kind of crazy. You see the, you know, speaking of the inflation and how it's impacting all these different, all these different markets and industries is Use the cars man the cars are crazy. I don't think we're gonna get our car to Next year, but I'll say that. I know it's I'm almost a hundred percent sure I mean, I think they sold us on oh, yeah, we're thinking six six months. Maybe nine tops like I'm thinking a year and a half This way car salesmen get a bad rap

So yeah, just to get the deal coming on. And it's like American, so it's not like it's coming from off. Has everything to do with the computer chip? Because basically all cars today are just, you know, a computer on wheels now. That's really what most cars are. Well, that's right, because my brother and I worked in that part of the, you know, the chip industry and was like,

he keeps pushing out even like two, three year dates to people that are ordering still. And I'm like, no, because yeah, who knows? Who knows when they're going to sort all this out? So new car prices, I think we're up something like nine or 10%. Did you see used car prices? Crazy. 37%. Well, I'm so tempted to sell one of mine. Because the only problem is I don't want to get a real place it. Exactly. So that's why it's so tempting. If you use car, you're not going to use. You are going to 37% is the average rise in use. My brother bought a car okay. Sold it two years later with a lot of more miles on it and

made more money. Sold it for more than he bought it for. Well, I mean, I'm in a really cool situation right now because three years ago, so March will be my third year, I'm up on my lease. So three years ago, I lease that Mercedes, so I'm buying it out, right? But you're gonna get a good deal now because it was locked in.

Yeah, it's locked in. So when you do a lease, they have the buyout the day. I could buy that out, I could have bought it out any time I want. So all they do is they add the months that you would normally pay the least to the left. So I would buy it out right now to have to pay January and February's payment plus the buyout price.

But the buyout price is so low for that car, I could probably sell it for $10, $15 grand more. So you make money on it? Yeah. I wonder if the dealerships knowing this are going to offer. They do, they offered me. What do they do? So I have a lot of different options right now because I already called in to see what I could do. And they will. They'll buy it back offered me. What do they do? So they so I have a lot of different options right now Because I already called in to see like what I what I could do

And they will they'll they'll buy it back from me. I could base or I could keep it and keep leasing it for the same price So that's an option or they'll they'll Allow me to trade it in and get a new one the problem is if I want to get a new one I'll be subject to the new rates and all the rates are up on everything. So, what's the deal though? You could have got a new one anyway, if nothing changed. Is there like a better deal or something? Well, then buying it out is a better deal.

Yeah, they normally wouldn't pay that much for it. You basically would trade it in for nothing or they would pay me a little bit premium. But I'd be way better off buying it myself and then selling it on them on the market. Cause they'll give me a premium because they're such a high premium already. And then they'll go ahead and turn around,

sell it for an even bigger premium because of the way the market is right now. So, but I'm far better off doing it myself. And that's what I'm gonna do is I'm buying it outright. And then I'm gonna just shop and just like, let's see. Let's see what I, because I don't necessarily need it. And if I have to drive one of the other vehicles

for a worst case scenario, sell it, make some money. You still own stock in CarMax? I do. How's that doing? It's one of my better ones. Really? I was gonna say the use Car Market must be. Yeah, I haven't looked at that.

So that's another, so that's my Charles Schwab account. I don't go to, I don't look at that one as much as I do in my e-trade account. I'm gonna look them up right now. But yeah, I bought it along. I bought, a long time. So, you know what made me buy that stock? Well, Hurricane Katrina.

Well, CarMax just went, recently went down actually. Well, everything's going down, right? Yeah, everything's down right now. But I bought it like in the 40s, dude. Did you really? Yeah, yeah. It's at 119. Yeah, I bought it.

So, I bought it right right when Hurricane Katrina hit. And I can't remember what I was reading or what was watching. They were saying about how many people lost their cars in there. And at that time, CarMax was the number one used car dealership in there. And most insurance claims would give you enough money

for your cars to go right out and do that. And because they had such a large fleet and in that area, it was kind of like a no brainer buy. Interesting, yeah, it's a pretty cool one. Speaking of weird car markets, you ever wonder why pictures of Cuba always have like 1950s American cars in them? You ever wonder why?

Oh, I remember hearing about this, like there's all kinds of like, especially the years of 50, the tri-chevy years. Like they have tons of those cars. Because of what? Okay, so if you go to Cuba right now, so I don't know about right now, but it was a communist country for a long time,

and embargo, like no, we're not trading with you, we're shutting you off. So they got American cars up to a certain point, and that was it, nobody was trading with them anymore. So what people did is they had all these old American cars and they just kept remaking them, making them look nice, taking care of. So if you go there now, you'll see these old,

some people own these old American cars, because they can't buy any new ones. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, so I never wondered that. That's one of the reasons. I didn't even know that. That's actually a really interesting fact, because they could probably sell it back to America

for a decent price if they're a classic. They can't sell anything. Yeah, they can't. I know I've tried to look into that, because somebody told me about that. That's it. Oh, that's so many of them. Oh my God, and these are current pictures. Yeah, so I don't know. Oh my've tried to look into that because somebody told me about that. There's like, oh that's so many of them. Oh my God, and that's like current,

these are current pictures, like. Yeah, so I don't like that. I know it's like the 50s. I don't know if trade is more open now than it was, but for a long time, it was like shut off. Like you, it was even illegal to get Cuban cigars. Remember that? Yeah, I know.

It's still like that. Yeah. Did you, you know, speaking of cars, you guys, we brought up on this podcast, maybe three four years ago this market or this this I think we actually talked about this company Turo to you are oh, I think that's how I spent I think I wrote it over there sent it over you down the right So they're basically the Airbnb cars

So and they but you could rent you could rent a car from someone else. They're about to go public, right? So they've been growing year over year, even with the pandemic. I like it. I like it a lot. I just, you know, I do, we just talked about this recently too, that we're moving to this era of nobody owning anything and just, you know, leasing or borrowing or or loaning or renting is just going to be the way of the future. So I have friends in San Francisco that I don't know if they work with Turo,

but they do this where they don't own cars, but we have family in San Jose and they don't go through your typical, you know, enterprise or whatever. They go through these apps and they'll drive, they'll ride their bike or whatever to someone's house, they get the keys and take the car and drive it.

Yeah, I really want to try it out and just experience it for myself. So I wonder if it's going to be a little bit like, do you guys remember, I've been using Airbnb and VRBO since basically it started. And I remember when we first started this podcast, it just eight years ago, how different it is today than then. Like, it looks way more like the hotel industry today than what

it did then. Yeah, before you first used to do it, you show up to someone's house, you know, get their picture frames up and like, you know, bed sheets that are probably four years old and like, you know, I'm saying like, it just felt like you were renting definitely right now. Yeah, yeah, you could tell and you felt like you were renting somebody's house. Or that you were, so I wonder if that's even how this is looking right now or you get in and has like somebody else's kind of smell to it and they're maybe there's their drink that they had

yesterday. I was talking about get-a-read model. So I was talking to my cousin about this because again, he lives in the city and he does this. And he showed me the math. He said, you could buy a car. I don't remember my cousin about this, because again, he lives in the city and he does this. He showed me the math. He said, you could buy a car. He's, I don't remember what company he shows, Hyundai or something.

They had a deal, I was like, like $99 for, you know, a lease or car payment, so whatever. And he goes, you could buy that car. This is your lease payment, and you could rent it out for this many days of the month, and you'll make a profit. And he goes, there's people doing this right now. They're buying cars, or leasing them, or whatever.

So, civically for rent. So, yes, and they rented to other people. And he goes, there's people doing this right now. They're buying cars, we're leasing them, or whatever. Specifically for rents. So, yes, and they rented to other people. And that is how, see, that's the way to do it. Well, I mean, that is the natural evolution of Airbnb. I mean, Airbnb first were people that had second homes that they just weren't using. And they thought, oh, wow, I have this second home, and I'm not using it, we could rent it out.

Isn't that where all the investors were interested in single home families? Well, that's a part of why that is going that direction and where that, and that's my point is, I'm sure there's people that have already figured the math out that it makes a decent business model and it's only gonna grow and keep going. I would bet though, there's a good percentage

that probably looked like you're borrowing somebody's car right now that did, but sooner than later, I bet you're gonna see it like Airbnb where the norm becomes, it's just like you're borrowing somebody's car right now that did, but sooner than later, I bet you're gonna see it like Airbnb where the norm becomes, it's just like you're renting a car from. Yeah, you have a person in their own a fleet of, you know, 10 cars or eight cars, and they have maybe a lot or they have, you know,

a garage and a driveway or something, where you go pick up your car and they make a little bit of money. My question is insurance, how does car insurance work with that? Because it's okay for me to let a little bit of money. My question is insurance. How does car insurance work with that? Because it's okay for me to let a friend borrow my car. But would my insurance... So I imagine that's part of why you go through a third party like Turo.

That they provide. Yeah, so Turo has, I believe, like, I think I read this. I believe they have some sort of like a million dollar policy or I don't know if I'm just spouting numbers, I don't know what I'm talking about. But I know it is like, they have a policy that covers their drivers. So you as the owner of the car, you have your basic insurance for when you crash it with that.

But if someone who is using Turo is using your car, I think they could, which is why you would give up your, otherwise it'd be better for me just to go to Justin and go like, hey, bro, you want to borrow my car? It's 75 bucks a day. Yeah, you're right, you're right. They have their own. So here's the other thing. How much is it? Oh, it's not a million. It's seven, 90 or something like, hey bro, you want to borrow my car? It's 75 bucks a day. You're right, you're right, they have their own. So here's the other thing.

How much is it, oh, it's not a million, it's seven, 90 or something like that? 750. Yeah, I mean, who's gonna, you're not gonna lease out a car or rent out a car that's born instead? Yeah, I'm a boogati. No, you know, in my cousin said that a lot of people who don't have credit or who have had bad credit

go through these private, because a lot of people don't realize it's hard to rent a car from the big car rental companies. If your credit isn't amazing or whatever, right? So he says that a lot of people go through these private, peer to peer companies in order to use. Well, and also too, I remember like we were in Hawaii. I remember how hard it was to rent a car. Yes. They had sold like half their stock.

Yep. And so then they're still trying to re-acquire vehicles again now. Okay, so you know what would probably, I'm gonna guess here, I wonder if trucks, I wonder if owning a truck would be very profitable on something like that, because a lot of people don't want a necessarily owner trunk, a truck,

but then they may need one. What a great way to be like, I need a moving vehicle. I'm moving the vehicle. I was One of the first to jump on that. Yeah, I mean, I would say yes, but also, I mean, like just a pickup. U-Halls done a pretty good job of, you can rent just a pickup for 19 bucks.

So good luck trying to find this thing to be that much. Maybe you could, I don't know. Maybe, I mean, but I mean, U-Halls done a pretty good job to, for someone who's just looking for a truck for work. Right, I would't know. I mean, but I mean, you always done a pretty good job to for someone who's just looking for a truck for work. Right, well, truck, you're done. Where I see this is just the future of like kids will go, why should I don't need to own a car? I have to time I walk, the other time I bike,

I sometimes use the electric scooter, and then every once in a while I want to go on a nice date and so with that, so what is that? Four times a month, I want a nice vehicle to go to dinner, I want to go somewhere that I'll just rent it. How is a company like this going to survive when self-driving cars become the norm and everybody's kind of renting those?

I wonder if they'll transition? I mean, the truth is that's so far ahead still. We act like that's close, but that transition is so far away. So I'm sure that they're probably already looking at it and going, all right, here's how we'll pivot when that happens. Right, and again, I mean, they could potentially have a viable, profitable, incredible business for the next decade, and that not even affecting it

until that, you know what I'm saying. So, and they've already been running, they're already in the mill, I think they saw like, they, I wanna say they did like 70 million or something like that, really? Yeah, no, they're making it. Wow, that's great. I think they were boasting that they had 100 and 100.

What can we, can we keep an eye on when it's gonna IPO? Because I'd be very interested in that company. Speaking of good quality companies, I finally ripped a pair of my Viori pants. Finally, the rip stop. But ones that say rip stop. So you finally ripped the rip stops. The butt.

Well, welcome to the club. Yeah. Well, I'm saying this because I know you've done this like five times. I do, yeah, at least a few. It was cool as they sent me a new pair and everything, but it was like, I don't know what it was about the rip stops, but I had to actually move on to the meta. Those are like my new. Yeah, they're, it's the cakes area.

That's the problem. Yeah, but I rip mine working out. And so I think it might, maybe my butt's growing, Justin. Oh, definitely wasn't from you doing the athletic ride. No, I wasn't hitting those squats like I wasn't jumping or doing. The dynamic. That's for sure. But this morning I go to put them on. I look at the back. I'm like, oh, it's kind of proud. Now, so what pairs do you have?

You have RIP stop? Do you like RIP stop? I like the Sunday joggers. Those are the two that you have. Those are my favorites. So, those Sunday ones are super comfortable. But the RIP stop, they're not, I like the way that they feel. I like to work out legs in them

because they feel a little bit more supportive. That's weird to me because I like their chin and come through. I think that's what they're called, but they're like more loose fit. Is that the chinos right there? These are almost, these are Viori, but they're, they're almost more like, I hate to say slackers, but like slackers. Yeah, more like a dressier. Yeah, well speaking of athletics, got a new study on how exercise benefits the brain, which is pretty cool. Another nail on the coffin on the dumb,

in the dumb jock, you know, narrative, right? Check this out. I know, right? Remember that back in the day? Exercise alters brain chemistry to protect aging synapses. So when elderly people stay active, the brains have more of a class of proteins

that enhances the connections between neurons to maintain healthy cognition, a new study has found. So this was at the University of California in San Francisco. Now obviously it makes sense, the brain is an organ. So if you're healthy and fit, then like your heart and your liver and your kidneys, your brain is gonna to stay healthy. But it's interesting because not that long ago people thought keeping your brain healthy

meant doing cognitive exercises, but physical activity, physical activity is one of the best things you could do for your brain. Keep your sharp. Technically it's cognitive too. I mean, when you're doing anything you do as your brain, right? Yeah, especially, I think that's another added value to those, the complex barbell movements that we talk about all the time. I mean, I can be drifting away and thinking about

other things than my arms when I'm doing tricep push downs. But if I'm sitting, getting ready to do squats and I got 225 plus on my back, I ain't thinking about nothing else. You're still problem solving. Yeah, you said it physically problem solving. And that's the thing, all of this is feedback that you're providing to your brain, neural feedback.

It's actually in crazy, how, I mean, I've seen, do we talk about on this podcast about the math that's computed to throw a ball? Oh yeah, yeah. Like it's, it crazy, it's almost on a predictive level. Yeah, that your, that what your brain is doing in order to do that. But the belief was like, oh, if I do like word puzzles

and if I memorize poems and read that that's gonna keep my brain healthy. But if you're gangster, you do a word puzzle while you squat. While you squat. That's what I do. No, it's the physical activity. And muscle is very protective of the brain

because muscle is great for insulin sensitivity and losing your ability to really utilize insulin properly can lead to things like dimension. Now is the reason for that because the muscle puts more demand on glucose is that why? So it's it's it's it's prioritized there instead of yeah it's one way your body will store glycogen but also muscle is very insulin sensitive. So they'll have studies on obese individuals, and they won't lose any weight. They'll just have them gain a little muscle, and you see this great effect on insulin,

even though they haven't lost any weight, just because they've gained a little bit of muscle. So building muscle, especially as you age, just makes a big difference. But it's good information to know, because again, it wasn't that long ago where the message was, oh, it's good for your heart, it's good for everything else, but the brain,

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Thank you for having me on you're welcome Okay, I am a currently a junior in college. I'm a biology pre-med student I've pretty much just grown up with you know wanting to be a doctor and everything like that But as I've gone older especially. I've really just like my passion is then health and fitness You know, that's what I'm really interested in. And so I want to do something, that's health and wellness related. And I haven't seen a ton of doctors

that have really created a practice that is kind of interconnects the fitness in the medicine industry. And so I really just wanted to come to talk to you guys since I know you guys have such an extensive knowledge of the fitness industry as a whole and see, you know, if you guys know or have been around physicians or anyone in the medical field that's kind of, you know, intertwined the medical and the fitness industry. Yeah, no, that's a great question. And thank you, by the way, for your interest. I think this is a great combination

when you have the expertise of Western medicine, combine it with fitness training and nutrition type coaching. Now, here's the challenge with what you're asking. I know you're asking, do I know anybody like that? Off the top of my head, not necessarily, but here's the challenge, and I'm sure you know this better than anybody,

when you're trying to become a specialist in Western medicine, like, you don't have time to also simultaneously become a specialist and gain the experience that's required to be really good at training and coaching people. It's really hard to do all by yourself. So what I would do in your shoes is this. And I've thought about this a lot in the past. In fact, this was actually something I even thought about doing at one point, which is when you figure out what your specialty is, do that, and then you can get your own office, and then within that office, I would have a space for

correctional exercise with trainers and with people who can coach nutrition. And when people come in, they'll see you as a specialist, but then they can work through coaching with nutrition and they can work with exercise specialists within your facility. I think that would be so valuable. And I actually think that that's the future of a lot of medicine. I think it's going to be a combination of those things. Oh, yeah, I worked at a while. I didn't work. I would did like an internship when I was in college at this place in Condale Medical Center. Right across the street from there was this amazing gym that had physicians,

on hand, it had personal trainers, physical therapists. You name it, everything was sort of in house and it was great because they all communicated with each other and we're able to blend and it was great because they all communicated with each other and we're able to blend the programming and everything to fit and tailor that specific client amazingly. So I think that there's, I would love to see more of that kind of synergy amongst everybody's professions working together like that. Well, I think that's the answer is,

you're more likely to partner up with somebody who's like the, if you're going to, you go the doctor route and then you partner up with the fitness expert or you go the fitness route, like, yeah, and then you find a doctor that aligns with your values and you partner with the doctor. And I think, not to say that you can't do both, I just think that if you go through all the work and effort to become a doctor, the money side of the fitness side is not gonna be very appealing, you know what I'm saying?

I can see patients and practice Western medicine, and I get paid this much. If I spend any time over here on this kind of training, clients, personal trainer side, I'm not making shit compared to that. So I think that would be the challenge that you would probably run into if you were trying to kind of live in both worlds.

You know, the only person that comes to mind, Stephen Crabral, kind of like this, he's a functional medicine, right? Yeah, he's got both. He's got Western and Eastern medicine. That's what makes him kind of unique, but still primarily a doctor, not really personal training or recommending.

I mean, he does a lot of stuff in nutrition, but not really recommending that. I mean, that would be my recommendation is to work on being a specialist, specifically in one of those areas, and then trying to align yourself with another specialist in the opposite. And because you have a passion for both,

you'll have probably a good idea of what a good trainer looks like, right? You would align your values well with that versus your traditional doctor that maybe doesn't care as much. If you stay the medical side, you can get sports medicine experts and you can get physical therapists who also have some specialization in other forms of exercise, because physical therapists are the best for correctional exercise, but then you wanna also understand progressive overload

and that kind of stuff, and there's a lot of PT's that also know that as well. So it's a medical facility even covered by insurance that kind of incorporates all of these things. I really do see this as being the future of medicine in a lot of different ways. So you're headed in the right direction, completely, Grayson.

Well, thank you guys. I really appreciate that. And yeah, the other thing that I was kind of interested and I've kind of been looking at is the physical therapy route, just because I know you guys mentioned the other day that part of kind of the disconnect between an MD and the patients and everything when they're trying to give health and wellness advice

and stuff like that is they're not with them every day. So I thought maybe if I went to physical therapy or I could get that maybe three day a week connection with a patient where you could have maybe more of an impact. And so that's kind of just what I'm trying to decide at this point, because I do, I love that part of, and I just love the fitness industry so much.

And I'm like, man, if I wanna do what I love, maybe that's more of a route. So, just capturing it out. You know, at 20 years old, it's a great age to be at, to be asking these types of questions. And probably some of the best advice could be too, is just to go dabble in a little bit of all of it

and see what you find yourself most passionate about. What is it that you stay up at night reading and learning about when you're not getting paid, and you don't have to study for a test, but just because you're interested in it, and let that drive your decision on what direction maybe you should go as far as a career, you know, and play with everything. I mean, I feel like at this age, it's a good time to try all these ideas that you have out and just see which one you naturally kind of fall into based off of what you're spending time doing when you're not being told to or getting paid to.

There's a lot of directions you can go. I mean, you can even go the direction of orthopedic surgeon and then in your facility work with physical therapists and trainers and people who work nutrition. I mean, there's so many ways to complement all these different fields. And if you're the medical expert, it's your facility. I mean, I tried doing this with Dr. Klein some mine, not necessarily creating a business together but I created a network of people I'd refer to. So if I had somebody who had gastroissues, I had a gastro specialist

I would send people to, I had a couple general surgeons that I could refer to if there were some issues and I had some therapists that I would refer to so I could see there's so much potential here but I think Adams hit the nail in the head like do the for you specifically do the one that you feel most passionate about because you'll be the best at that and then you can supplement and complement with that with other people helping you in that does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. All right, perfect. Thanks for calling.

Hey, well, thank you guys for having me on. You guys are awesome. You guys have a big time. Thank you, great to be here. No problem. Yep, my best success, hands down period with clients, was when people worked with me, and they worked with, you know, one or two other specialists that were experts at things

that I was not. I had people work with me and then massage therapists and physical therapists or with me and people who were experts in nutrition or with hormones. And it was wonderful because what I would do is I would create these email threads where we would all work together. And sometimes it would say to me,

hey, Sal, I don't think you should be doing squats with this person because I'm noticing an issue here with the near whatever and that I'll say, well, what about this particular issue with mobility? You know, that's a good idea., right, is to get together with other specialists and then create some sort of versus what I got he was asking at the beginning, which is more like what he could do all of it. I just don't see, I don't see you being, I don't know any, you know, some hybrid of that. Yeah, I just, I don't know any doctors that went through all the schooling to become a doctor and then thought, I'm gonna also, I'm gonna go do 10 years personal training. I'm gonna go do personal training. And I mean, what's your guys' guess on why that is?

I mean, mine is just the money, right? It's just saying. It's the money in the time. Yeah, you put all that time and effort into getting your PhD and the at least you're making a pretty good income. You go to school, first of all, you have to crush in college. Then you go to medical school, you gotta crush there. Then you gotta do an internship, you gotta crush there.

The whole time it's bell to bell, very stressful, very challenging, then you get to start to practice medicine and you now need to build experiences a doctor. You're gonna go and become experiences a trainer for another five to 10 years. Like, I guess by the time you're 50, you might be ready, but that's a lot. I also don't think you'll be as good

as you being the expert on one thing. That's right. And then having other people work with you. The neat part though is if he has a passion for both, he'll have a good eye for who does. 100%. Just, you know what I'm saying? So he'll have a good eye for what to look for

in the trainer or the PT's or the other practices right to align himself with. Our next caller is Alexandra from New York. Alexandra, how can we help you? Hey guys, so I'm calling in because I was listening to a recent episode where you guys were advertising mass times and I after a minute, I don't know much about these digestive enzymes,

but the way it was described in the episode really spoke to me in that it sounded like, you know, if you have problems digesting protein or things like that, it can really help. And so, so, can't believe that's an issue that I've kind of always had. And I don't think it's like a particularly big deal for me personally, but there are times when I would like to eat more protein to put on more muscle mass, but I struggle because I can easily get, you know, concentrated. So, I just try not to eat too much protein. Anyways, when I heard about mass signs, I thought that maybe this is something I should try.

Um, but, you know, I have a couple of concerns because from what I've heard from other people, not about mass signs specifically, but just about digestive enzymes in general, which is one, when you take them, they can kind of make you go to the bathroom a lot more, you know, like shit more. Mm-hmm. And. So one is that. I've done that before.

Do you think that's true? And then, and then a follow up to that is, if you do start taking them, do you think you would kind of start relying on them to go to the bathroom more? I wouldn't want to get hooked on them. Yeah. That's my two-bar question.

Yeah, good question. Okay. Digestive enzymes can definitely help with digestive issues if the issue is you need more digestive enzymes for your diet. If the issue is that you have, I don't know, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth or you're eating a food that you're intolerant to or you're lacking fiber or here's a big one, you're not drinking enough water,

then it might not help that much. So if it is indeed that you need more digestive enzymes, I would say they're inexpensive, try it out and see if it helps, but if it's not that, it could be something else. It could be what you're eating, it could be lack of fiber, it could be lack of water, it could be stress, it could be a lot of different issues

that can be causing digestive issues. Now, as far as becoming reliant on them, no, you're not gonna become reliant. There's no negative feedback loop that I'm aware of with digestive enzymes, where if you consume them, your body, you know, produces less of them. So, probably what happened with your friend, my guess is that she used them, they helped,

and she continued to eat foods that would normally cause her problems. So then when she stopped taking the enzymes, then she gets those problems back. So, the answer for her might have been to change the foods that she was eating in the first place. I hope that makes sense. Well, I didn't mess with this at all until you actually,

because you're notorious for carrying around all your little, your little vitamin purse that you have, and every time we would eat something off the top. It's a merse. Yeah, for man. You would eat these digestive enzymes, and I thought, you know what,

we were, I think one night we were at the Tahoe place, we were getting ready to eat either pizza or something that had a lot of gluten. And I asked you guys, because Justin does too. I see him use it. I'm like, you know, it doesn't, like when I eat pizza, it doesn't destroy me, but it definitely,

if I have more than like four slices, it could ruin my night for sure. Right. A lot of our nights, let me do that. So I asked to try it. And I noticed a significant difference in how I responded to the pizza. So now I try and if I ever I'm going to eat like ice cream or gluten two things that I know that I have intolerance to

By doing that it doesn't I know it doesn't fix the problem. I know it doesn't but it does mitigate I feel the the effects that I would I would feel from that is that is that correct that correct and should that be happening that way? Is that right? Yeah, no, it is. It's like, I don't know, this is not really a good example, but it's like taking anti-inflammatory right after you, something that's inflammatory. So it can help, but the ultimate issue is that you eat gluten and ice cream, right? That bother you.

The way that I use digestive enzymes is I use them when I eat very high protein meals, especially if I'm not eating a lot of vegetables with that. It can make a difference for me. I also use, I'll substitute fibers, so I'll take a salium husk that can help. Now, that's what works well for me, for some people that might not necessarily help. The good thing about digestive enzymes are they're inexpensive and you can try them out and see if they help but ultimately just like any supplement it's not the ultimate cure right the

ultimate cure is what let's figure out at the root of what's going on and then use those in order to mitigate issues when maybe you go off or you eat in a way that might normally. Well that's what would you classify like the HCl pills like inside I usually do that to kind of cut back at some of the. Well, that's, what would you classify like the HCL pills? Like, in some, I usually do that to kind of cut back at some of the overgrown. So that's a hydro, let's see, HCL is a hydrochloric acid in my center. Yeah, so it's stokes basically, you know,

acid production, your stomach. It is, it is the acid that you produce, but that's not a digestive enzyme, but see, that's another one, right? So if you have low HCL, it can create an environment where bacteria actually builds up in your small intestines and then you start to develop issues.

And believe it or not, heartburn is a common side effect of not producing enough acid, which a lot of people think it's the opposite. They think they're making too much acid. Oftentimes it's not making enough acid. So digestive issues tend to be complicated, but digestive enzymes are a very safe, easy, inexpensive thing that you can experiment with. The reason why we work with bio-optimizers mass-zymes is because they design them specifically for athletes.

The enzymes that are good for breaking down types of foods that we tend to eat a lot of, especially protein, you tend to see more of them in there. I've messed with a lot of digestive enzymes, and there's a lot of them that are good out there, but they're one of the better ones, and that's why we chose working with them. But no, you won't become dependent, but if you don't solve the root issue, then you may need to use them always

whenever you eat foods that tend to cause problems. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I mean, it sounds to me a little bit, like there's some trial and error here. I mean, you mentioned a few of the different root causes. You know, I think, for example, water, that's one that I feel like I do drink a lot of water.

But, you know, it could be the the bacterial growth that you're talking about. And, you know, so maybe it's trying to enzymes if that doesn't help, then maybe exploring other things or, you know, maybe it's cutting out foods. Maybe there are certain foods that I don't digest well that I just don't know about. So it's probably a little bit of a process to get there. But it sounds like it isn't hurt to at least try the enzymes. Totally.

And Alexandra, a gut health specialist is worth their weight and goals, okay? Because let's say you do have SIBO, right? You can fix it. You can actually cure it. You might have lived with it for five years. It's something that's curable, right? Digestive experts or gut health experts are so valuable,

because once you, I'm speaking from personal experience, once you solve some of these issues, the impacts are far ranging on your whole body and your mental well-being. I mean, I feel better mentally when my digestion is good. Your results in the gym, too. the impacts are far ranging on your whole body and your mental well-being. I mean, I feel better mentally when my digestion is good. That your results in the gym too. Oh my God, there's a 67 pound weight difference in me

when my gut health is good versus when it's not. So I suggest finding a good gut health specialist. And there's a lot of testing involved. You'll probably have to do a stool test. You'll probably have to do some blood test. And you might even have to do an endoscopy or whatever, depending on the situation, but totally worth it.

So that's where I would send you first. But the digestive enzymes doesn't hurt. You can throw that in, very safe supplement, and again, very inexpensive, and it won't hurt to try. Awesome, yeah, I'll definitely do that. Thanks guys. Thanks, Andrew. Appreciate it.

You know, it's funny is that, it wasn't that long ago, maybe maybe like I know when we started the podcast Nobody in fitness talked about Digestive issues nobody in fact it was oh just got something you worked through yeah, and it was actually accepted Like oh, yeah, you had a lot of protein. That's why you know whatever. It wasn't accepted. It wasn't In issue that anybody talked about. Then people started to become aware, and some people started to fix their issues, and they found how profound. It was, I'm glad that people now ask these questions and are paying attention, because I think

for a long time, people just took antacids or took stool softeners or things for diarrhea, and they just took them regularly thinking this is just the way I am. And no, there's a root cause for all of us. Well, what I find amazing too is I think a lot of people don't realize how much it can play a factor in your results too. I mean, it could be slowing down your results as far as fat loss. It could be slowing down your effectiveness levels. Yes.

Oh, yeah, your performance and your strength. Like if your body is having to work over time to fix issues that are going on in your gut, it doesn't have the energy and resources to go and help you build muscle or help your metabolism speed up, right? So same difference. So if you don't address that and then you're just kind of piling, oh, what's the latest fat burner?

Oh, what's the best muscle building supplement? You're just trying all these other things versus, why don't we get to the bottom of what's going on? Let's get healthy first. Yeah, get healthy first and then, you know, like we say, chase health and the aesthetics will fall. Yeah, I mean nutrient deficiencies are common with people with gut health issues

and they'll take supplements and everything and find out why am I lacking vitamin B or D or whatever. Your gut is not absorbing it. It's a big deal. Our next caller is Sean from Minnesota. Sean, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys?

Thank you, South. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, so I have a question about LDL cholesterol. And just to give a little bit of a background. So I'm someone who, I'm a pretty big guy. I work out a lot to the point where I almost over train. I'm about six foot two two hundred pounds. I've worked out basically every day since high schools for about 15 years now. And because of that, I eat a lot of calories. I mean, I eat around 4,000 calories a day just to maintain weight.

I've also determined that eggs are probably the main source of protein that works best for my digestive system. And in about May of 2021, I started tracking my macros to try to put on some more muscle. And it's work that put on probably about five pounds of muscle. I have not increased my waist circumference. The problem is my LDL cholesterol. So I had a lab's drawn in July of 2021, and my LDL cholesterol was very good. It was 78 milligrams per desoleter, which is well under the 100, but they recommend you stay under. Then after that, I increased where I was eating a lot of eggs, probably about eight eggs per day with yolks on average and a little bit more red meat throughout the rest of 2021. I had labs drawn again in December and my LDL was 146.

We did shot up, it was pretty high. And then of course, after that, I said, okay, you know, I need to go more either plant-based, whatever. And I guess I heard something. I believe Sal, you said in the episode recently about the eight worst people to take diet advice from. You mentioned something I think I'm paraphrasing here about how LDL cholesterol, high LDL cholesterol alone is not necessarily that much of a big deal if you don't have other risk factors. So I'm wondering if you can elaborate on that a little bit and kind of what your take is on my situation.

Yeah, sure, Sean. So first off, I want to say obviously I'm not a doctor. And this is not my field of expertise. So my expertise is in fitness. So what I'm going to comment on now is coming from somebody who's a fitness expert, not a doctor. So I'm not an expert in this. But there's a context that is typically looked at

When you're assessing risk LDL is part of that picture, but you have LDL HDL ratio You have your you have other lipids that they're looking at in your blood your blood sugar Body weight and then LDL can also be broken up into different types of LDL Some are more damaging others others now they're talking about being more protective. The total LDL number can also matter. So at some point, if it just gets too high,

then that's something that is caused also for concern. And then finally, there's this really interesting variant between people, or genetic variant, or whatever you want to call or how people react to saturated fat intake. Like, I'll use a couple personal examples. I eat, you know, I eat up to 12 egg yolks today. Most of the meat that I eat is saturated fat.

My LDL is always under 100. My total cholesterol is borderline too low. Now, Doug is somebody that obviously, you know, Doug our producer, he reacts very differently to saturated fat and he asks actually control it a little bit because it can have some, what would look like adverse effects on his blood lipids. So it depends on the person as well.

Now, my comment on that show was, was simply this was when there's one blood marker, unless it's really bad, it doesn't tell you nearly as much as what the whole picture is, right? You got to look at everything to kind of make more of an accurate assessment. And I think really good doctors who are experts in this field will tell you that. So that's what I would look at and I would talk to your doctor about those things. Do you think that Dr. Ran and Dr. Todd would cover a subject like this inside our hormone?

Now, those are their hormone specialists. Now, they are very knowledgeable about cholesterol because it's something that can get affected with hormones. So you could try asking them, but I would speak specifically to somebody who's an expert in this field because there's a lot we're learning about this. Like I like what I said earlier about different types of LDL. This was barely discussed just like seven years ago. It was just LDL and then we've discovered wow, there's smaller denser particle LDL molecules and then there's those that are larger and fluffier and one is more damaging. The other one tends to be more protective. LDL in general is

associated with protecting you from infection and illness, so it's also essential. So like having it too low isn't good from what I've read. But there's a lot of complexity to this, and I would look at all of these things. And I would talk to somebody who's an expert. Well, that's what I was going to ask you then. If you were not to just defer to a general practitioner doctor, who would you defer to that maybe who we know that you think could be able to dive into his labs

a lot better than, because that's the only, but this is the problem with the GP right here, right? They see that. Their first thing right away is, oh, let's fix that, let's get that lower. Dr. Steven Cabral has got some pretty good takes on cholesterol numbers, blood lipids, context of the whole thing.

Triglycerides, right? That's something else you want to pay attention to. He's somebody that's really good. But I would bring these exact questions up to your doctor and say, okay, what's the right ratio of HDL to LDL? I would say, can I do a test to determine what kind of LDL particles that I have to see what the difference is?

And is my LDL so high that none of that matters? Or am I within the range where I can look at the whole context of things and pay attention? It's a lot less clear, or I should say obvious than it used to be, you know, used to be, oh, you know, over 200 cholesterol was really bad. And then we saw these long-term studies that showed that people with higher cholesterol, in some cases, live longer, people with higher LDL tend to get less infections.

So my point is, with what I said was, we used to look at like a single number and be like, oh, good or bad, but it's way more complex than that. Right, it wasn't the fear of, you know, potentially that leading to heart attacks and sort of epigenetically unlocking some of these problems down the road. Is that still like something that's a very real fear that doctors are...

Yeah, and I know LDL, if it gets too high, everything else, the context of everything else can look whatever it wants and it still might not necessarily be a good thing. But like I said, it's kind of, and it's, I've heard conflicting information about it now, so it's tough to. It's really weird how some people react to saturated fat in terms of their lipid numbers. And I mean, I said, I'm a perfect example.

I literally eat like a red meat, probably twice a day, three times a day, ay, yolks up the yin yang, I eat, I mean a lot of my fat is saturated and my blood lipid numbers are almost too low, like my cholesterol's almost too low, so it's very interesting. So that's, so like I said, I would ask an expert those questions specifically, you know,

I know the ratio is a makes a big difference of HDL LDL then there's a ratio of those to your total, your triglycerides, you know, play a role, and then the type of LDL that you have. I know all those things now are starting to show that they're, you know, that they're I would just caution taking that, you know, if it's the general practitioner that he's talking to and and and referring back to him, I would just caution that I don't know his extent and I think if you ask those questions, you'll know, like, Hey, what are my LDL? Can I get a test that shows me what kind of LDL? Well, I don't know. I don't think there's one. Like, then you know, okay, I might need to find someone that, you know, really looks a little deeper. Yeah. If I was back when I was trained, I always had a doctor that I knew, because I had trained one and then I'd keep them on tabs, because this is something I would defer.

This is not my level of expertise, but I know enough and experience enough where I've had healthy, really healthy clients still test high like this. So finding somebody that's well versed in this besides just there, because a lot of times they would come from their recommendation from their doctor, saying, hey, my doctor says my cholesterol is too high and they would just give me some number and say, that's all you were told, nothing else, what about all these other markers?

Well, okay, let me refer you over to my buddy over here. Go get it, Rand, and ask these questions and see. Yeah, well, part of the problem, Sean, it was that, and this was from doctors that I trained, they actually told me this that they said, one of the issues is we invented a pharmaceutical drug that was so effective at lowering cholesterol. You take a statin and it will lower your cholesterol.

And so what happened was because we had something that was really effective, that was easy, you just take a pill, that they focused really hard on that. Because it was something so easy to get everything became a nail. Yes, and so that was, I guess, part of the issue, but we know now that it's a little bit more complex than that, and again, the genetic factors huge, man.

Some people are very, they have to really reduce saturated fat intake and they even have to reduce total fat intake. There's a small percentage of people that still have to do that, so it depends. So again, I would go to reduce total fat intake. There's a small percentage of people that still have to do that. So it depends. So again, I would go to your doctor and ask all these specific questions

and see if you get the answers you're looking for. And if not, then find somebody who has a solution. Yeah, and if you're not following already, Dr. Steven Cabral, I think that's his Instagram too, right? It does. STEPH, I think Stephen with a pH. Yeah, Cabral. Okay, you said, I'm sorry, Stephen, is it Cabral?

Yes, Stephen Cobra. C-A-B-R-A-L. You could actually go back, we did it. We did an interview with him on here. So it was a really good interview. We might have actually touched on cholesterol with him. I think we did. I think we did touch on cholesterol with him.

So that'd be a good episode to listen to anyways. He's actually got a podcast too that it does really, really well. And I think he does like we do where he field questions. So he would be a great follow in general, I think, for these types of questions. Okay. Perfect. And what were the names of the other? There was a couple other doctors you guys had mentioned. Yeah, I don't know. Did we mention more right now? For now, I don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no, we didn't. We don't. We don't.

Yeah, that's okay. Maybe we just come from. Yeah, I mean, we have Dr. Friends for specific things like, you know, Jolene Brighton and also Dr. Ruscio and... But it's Stephen Cucumberall, probably. Yeah, we have like that, we recommend for like gut health, you know, functional medicine. So kind of depends, but Cucumberall is up your alley for what you're asking. Oh, Dr. Allo, he's also, he's a, he's a,

Cardiola, yeah, he's a Cardiola. He's a, he's a, he's a, yeah, he's a, he's a cardiovascular specialist. So, he was on a podcast as well. Dr. A, a, L, oh, I was trying to think of him. Yeah, he's also something I like. Okay, perfect. Yeah. Yeah, when I listen to this, I'll remember what we said and then, and then look, those, look those doctors up. So, yeah, if we've got just a couple more minutes here,

I was just gonna say, yeah, I kind of actually heard the same type of thing when I was reading in Ben Greenfield's book, Boundless. He actually had a section about that where he talked about some of the same thing, how it really comes down to the different types of LDL particles. And so there's a lot more to it than just HDL, LDL.

And then I guess just one last question. So with the testing, you've talked about cell a lot about how different body types, different genetic types, we react differently to saturated fats. So can they test for that at a typical clinical setting? I don't think so. I think the way you know is you- By teasing it out. Yeah, you tease it out. Like I use Doug as an example. Him and I, if we ate the same diet, our blood lipids would look very different.

So I think that's really the only way at this point. Okay. All right, thanks for calling Sean. Yeah, I appreciate it very much guys. Thanks, Tom. Thank you. Yeah, gone are the days of just, oh, cholesterol over 200 is bad for you.

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Field of expertise and I know there's such a Virtual individual Yeah, I have a lot of fun with this because I'll when I get my blood work When I used to I don't do this anymore, but I used to have fun with it and before I would get the results Doctor would test my blood and I'd say yeah, I'm interested in seeing my My numbers look like I eat about 12 eggs a day and I eat probably a one to two pounds of red meat every day And they'll look on their face is always like I suck on butter cubes. Yeah, they're always like oh my god Oh, this is gonna be really bad and then they get the numbers and they're like your cholesterol You sweat mayonnaise. Yeah, your total cholesterol is 163 or whatever like this isn't making you sent soon our next colors

Christina from California. Hey, Christina, how can we help you? Hi, um, I have a question I've been doing some workouts on my own recently. I used to go to a gym, but it got closed during, um, the pandemic. And I'm noticing that I am losing out on power. And I think it's because of speed. I haven't noticed as much of a drop off in my strength, but power is not where I want it to be. And I have an upcoming Highland Games competition this summer, so I'd really like some suggestions

on how specifically to work on power and speed. Ooh, I love this question. Okay, so power is strength that's fast, right? So for people watching right now, like what's the difference between power and speed, or excuse me, power and strength? Strength, plus a speed. Yeah, it's like how fast I could deadlift a weight versus how heavy I could deadlift a weight

or something along those lines. It's quite specific, meaning you have to train for it. So the way you would train for power is by using a sub-maximal load, training it at full speed, explosive power, and lots of rest in between sets and not doing it to fatigue. So you're not trying to do it to fatigue the body,

but rather you're doing it to try to get yourself to be able to move faster. Very unlike crossfit-esque. Very unlike. You're not doing it to try to get yourself to be able to move faster. Very unlike CrossFit-esque. Very unlike. You're not doing it to fatigue at all. You're gonna need fatigue. Fatigue is your enemy with anything that you're trying to do power wise.

And the best approach to this, obviously with the Highland Games, there's very specific types of, what do you call those, like different types of events. Events that you get, I know the Caper Toss is one of them, the hammer throw, I don't know all of them, but I know they all.

Right, there are nine different events all throwing heavy objects for distance or height. Okay, the hunt the haggest throw? Yeah, so I mean, it's obviously it's gonna be hard to kind of emulate those specifically, but you can do that with kettlebells, like, you know, something that you could apply in your programming, where you really just take the time to work on, you know, the technique of not just like the swings and getting that hip-hinging snapping

power out of your hips, but also then, you know, releasing and then throwing the kettlebell out in a field as a great exercise to apply specifically for that. But really, the point is with anything power, it requires all the intent going into it, all the attention, no fatigue, and to be able to recover and then produce that same amount of immediate force production. Christian, how have you been training,

how you train currently right now or how have you trained in the past to get ready for something like this? So I certainly do some events specific training. So I have some field stones and I have 16 pound hammer and a lighter hammer. So I do practice the events as much as I can. I don't have it convenient cable. So that one I have to trust to clean and things to work on. But then I do try to supplement at home. So I've

been mostly doing probably lifts that I enjoy the most things like presses and squats and dead lifts. But I've been trying to do a little bit more powerlifting, more cleans and things like that to supplement that event-specific work. So, more specifically, what is like the training blocks? What I mean is, okay, so obviously you're doing great exercises that you should be doing. Does it look like what Justin's saying? Where you do a rep or two and then rest, and then a rep or are you doing a fast? Are you doing things where you got 10 to 15 reps,

and then you're also super setting that with a run around the block or pull-ups, or other thing with that, how is the programming look? Right, so I would say, I guess I've fallen into the trap of wanting to measure my progress. And the easiest way for me to do that is to see what I'm able to do for sets of five

or 10 or something like that. So maybe I've been trying to get to a heavy set of five or a heavy set of 10 in one of those lifts. Yeah. So strength will contribute to power. But if you don't train specifically for power You're gonna miss out a lot so there's nothing wrong with getting stronger But if you don't trade if you don't train for speed or acceleration

With a weight that's much lower than you would train for strength with It's gonna be hard for you to express a lot of power like you know power lifters are very strong But they're not nearly as explosive as Olympic lifters, for example. I would do some specific days on power, on trying to throw, like Justin said, a kettlebell or mimicking the events. There's also a lot of technique involved on what you're doing. I mean, he made a good point. When you're doing a caber toss, you've got to have a lot of power, but you also need to have a good technique

and release and know where to position your body to maximize the effect. So I would do, you know, I would practice two days a week, the events, don't do them to fatigue, but really try to get further and further with your throws, a lot of rest in between, you know, your attempts. And then maybe a couple days a week of strength building and some mobility,

and that's pretty much it. But I think just practicing the power stuff is gonna make a big difference. I think, and I think mass performance, so there's a phase in there where we do devote. It's one of our only programs that actually does devote some time to speed power. And this doesn't require a lot of heavy load.

Obviously, this is more about moving very, very quickly and also being able to recover and gather yourself and be able to control your body after you explode through these types of movements. So I think that, if I have to pick any program that we have that I would recommend, maps maps performance would be one to figure that out Yeah, one more example Christina, okay squatting with a barbell on your back. That's heavy. You're training for strength Trying to jump as high as you as high as you can with no weight on you at all just your body

For one attempt would be power. Okay. Does that make sense? Yes. Okay, so training for power is different than training for strength. Strength contributes to power, but if you don't train for power as well, you're going to miss out a lot on that specific type of performance. So you got to incorporate some days where you just focus on that. That makes a lot of sense. Can I ask a question, a follow-up because I'm, I think, really bad at recovering. I'm a lot of sense. Can I ask a follow-up because I'm, I think, really bad at recovering.

I'm a pretty impatient person. If I am changing my workouts to sort of make sure I'm resting between attempts, what are guidelines for how long I should rest? You want to feel ready to exert maximal power again. So if you do like a 50-yard dash, could also be considered explosive, you would do it, and then you'd wait until you felt like you could push it real fast again, right?

Or if I jump as high as I can, I'm not jumping as high as I can, and then jumping again as high as I can, I'm jumping as high as I can, and then I'm waiting until I feel like I can't fully compose again. Yeah, I can exert that power again. What you'll find, here's something that's interesting, I'm glad until I feel like I can... I fully composed again. Yeah, I can exert that power again. What you'll find, here's something that's interesting,

I'm glad you asked that question. When you're training for power, it's typically your third or fourth attempt that's your best. Okay, so when people don't rest long enough in between their first attempt is the best. When it comes to power, you'll do an attempt and the second or third time, you start to fire more effectively with the muscles and your technique gets a little

better and you'll get higher. So you should be able to do better the third or fourth time. If it's getting worse by the second, third, fourth time, you're not resting long enough. That actually fits really well with my experience at competitions where we get three chances at each event. And just like you said, typically that third one is the best. Exactly, because what you did is you waited obviously- To be in the central nervous system that- Yes, and you're able to fire more forcefully, effectively, your body feels like it's safe to do so. But if you get no rest in between, your first attempt would be your best.

So keep those things in mind. Thank you very much. That's really helpful. No problem. Thank you. Good luck on your competition. Yeah. Thanks.

Bye bye. No problem. Yeah. Power is probably one of the most misunderstood elements of general fitness. Nobody does it right. Yeah, I was fishing for the CrossFit thing. I see she wrote up there that her CrossFit gym and I was trying to see if that's how she just works out there, but yeah, she didn't want to say that she was doing their workout specifically, which is, you know, yeah, that would be, I'd have different advice for that

in terms of if that was what kind of protocol she was using, but it is, it's one of the segments of fitness that is, looks the sexiest and a lot of people will just throw it into their programming, kind of willy nilly, but I mean the biggest thing that is nails and chalkboard to me is when you're already in a state of fatigue and then you're gonna go and run a very highly demanding type of an exercise, like a power exercise. Yeah, at that point you're just building

this waste stamina. It's just building, I know, I'm so glad that it came to me because I know that's kind of a tell-tell sign. It's like your second, third or fourth attempt should be better than the first. That's how you know you're resting long enough and you're doing it properly. Otherwise, if it's not that way,

it's like the first attempt is good and you just get weaker and weaker with each submission returns. Totally. Look, if you like our information, you gotta go to mindpumpfreed.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal. You can also find all of us on Instagram.

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