Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1733: The Most Underrated Piece of Gym Equipment, High Reps Vs. Low Reps for Building Muscle & Strength, the Pros & Cons of Wearing Lifting Gloves & More

Episode Date: January 21, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether calories should be the same for training and non-training days, the pros and cons of wearing gloves when lifting, whether lifting low weight and high reps is as effective as high weight and low reps, and if mirrors an underrated piece of gym equipment. Mind Pump Fit Tip: How skipping leg days may actually affect the gains in the rest of your body. (4:08) How Adam has become a meme for a dad. (12:49) Why masks don’t work. (17:50) The case against masks for children. (20:31) Joe Rogan and data manipulation. (24:39) The state of brick-and-mortar businesses and predicting what its future looks like. (29:37) Why is real estate exploding?! (33:04) Was Logan Paul scammed on the purchase of fake Pokémon cards? (44:00) The Mind Pump snowmobiling Utah experience. (45:18) The vision for Mind Pump Rentals. (48:20) Caldera is saving the guy’s faces after their trip to the snow. (52:26) #Quah question #1 – If I’m in a caloric deficit to lose body fat, should my calories be the same for training and non-training days? (55:32) #Quah question #2 – What are the pros and cons of wearing gloves when lifting? (59:42) #Quah question #3 - Are low weight and high reps not as effective as high weight and low reps? (1:05:10) #Quah question #4 – Are mirrors an underrated piece of gym equipment? (1:09:42) Related Links/Products Mentioned January Promotion (#1): NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTIONS SPECIAL BUNDLE OFFERS January Promotion (#2): MAPS Anabolic 50% off **Code “JANUARY50” at checkout** If Masks Work, Why Can I Smell Farts? The CDC’s Flawed Case for Wearing Masks in School - The Atlantic The Case Against Masks for Children - WSJ Face masks DO harm kids' development, landmark study shows Spotify mum after Joe Rogan critics calls for change to prevent COVID ‘misinformation’ on platform JRE #1762 – Josh Szeps Walker Webcast: Peter Linneman Sees Economy in Growth Mode for 2022 Mind Pump #1657: Why The Economy Won’t Crash With Peter Linneman Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Logan Paul was scammed on $3.5 million of fake Pokemon cards Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! How to Undulate Your Calories for Faster Weight Loss & an Improved Metabolism (Mind Pump TV – YouTube) Which Is Better: Low Reps Or High Reps? - Mind Pump Blog How Phasing Your Workouts Leads to Consistent Plateau Free Workouts – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Brooke Waters Norseth (@brookenorseth)  Instagram

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talk about fitness, we tell good stories, and we talk about our sponsors. Today's intro was 51 minutes long, then we got to the questions regarding fitness. So here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about how skipping leg day may actually affect the gains in the rest of your body. Then I talk about how Adam has become a meme for a dad.

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question, this person wants to know what the pros and cons are of wearing gloves while lifting. The third question, this person wants to know is low weight and high reps, not as good as low reps and high weight. And in the final question, this person wants to know if mirrors are an underrated piece of gym equipment. Also, all month long, we are offering a huge promotion. So a lot of people getting started with their fitness journey now, because it's January, other people have been doing it for a long time, but they want to take it to the next level. Here's what we did.

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If you skip leg day, your arms aren't going to grow as much either. Let's talk about this a little bit. I remember the first time I read that somewhere. I thought that was an inch. I think it was like a, I feel like it was a t-nation article that I read that were. It was like, the the articles tell something like, you know, hit a plateau or your arms won't grow, then work on your squat.

It was like, what? Yeah, I know. Yeah, that blew my mind. So here's the science behind it, right? So, and by the way, this has been anecdotally observed in strength building and bodybuilding world for a long time. I mean, there were articles written in the 70s that would talk about how

adding weight to the squat would get your arms bigger, or if you gained muscle in your legs, you would notice that you get bigger arms. So people have observed this for a long time. What does this mean? Like, how do we, you know, explain this scientifically? Well, there are studies that show, great studies, by the way, where if somebody has, let's say, an arm that's broken or an arm that's incapacitated, it will atrophy less if you work the arm that's available. In other words, if I break my left arm, I'm better off training my right arm because it actually prevents muscle loss

from happening in my left arm. So what's happening here and the way it's explained is that there is a localized acute effect from resistance training. In other words, the muscle you're trained is going to get most of the muscle building effects, but there's a systemic effect that happens as well. Do you think this is all attributed to the CNS or do you think there's other factors at play? That's a good question. Or is it just the irradiation effect? Which would be the CNS? Which would be the CNS. Yeah. So it's, yeah, I mean, in terms of it also being able to stabilize and have

that isometric contraction, I'm sure would play a factor in that. Because I, if I, after I read that, the way that I would explain it to like a client and I wouldn't do it exactly this way, but I'll refine it with your analogy because I like it so much. And I've brought up your analogy many times on the show since you've brought it up because I think it's one of the best analogies and I think it works here also, which is your amplifier and speaker analogy.

And it's a good example of, I don't use any of your analogy. It's just come up with random width. Even with the graph water. Yeah, graph water. Well, it's just so, because this is hard to explain to somebody, right? It's like really, like, squatting more, but if you can explain the amp and the speaker

analogy, then it does make sense. It's like, oh, even though you're not directly working on the speaker, right? For example, or one of the speakers, you're building the amplifier. And of course, if you build a bigger, better, stronger amplifier, it is going to directly affect all the other muscles or speakers. Of course, if you build a bigger, better, stronger amplifier, it is going to directly affect all the other muscles or speakers. And so I think that's how I would explain it to a client is like, even though we may not be working on these specific speakers right now, by you squatting, it's squatting

juicer amplifier. So much to building a, I don't know, the more sophisticated CNS, you maybe you'd say, or a stronger CNS signal because of its difficulty, right? So, and that carryover bleeds into the other muscle. Yeah, the systemic effect is very interesting, right? There's a lot of things that happen. One is what you're talking about. Then there's this like general, you know,

increase in muscle protein synthesis. There's these general changes in hormone levels, myostatin generally gets affected as well, not just acutely or locally, but also kind of systemically. Now, I like to explain it from an evolutionary standpoint. I think the body, to become super imbalanced is evolutionarily disadvantageous.

So although the body will allow you to build a certain amount of imbalance in order to make you better at whatever you're attempting to do a lot of, too much of an imbalance starts to become a detriment, right? And I think that the systemic muscle building effect is larger with larger muscle groups and smaller, with smaller muscle groups. So if I work my biceps, I'll get a localized muscle

building effect to the biceps and I'll get some small systemic effect overall. But if it's like my lats or my quads or my glutes or big muscle groups, I mean if you're working out your legs, you're working out half of your body, you get that localized effect, but then you get this again, this systemic effect.

And so when people skip body parts, they're actually not only are they not developing the body part that they're skipping, which is most of the effect, but they're also impeding the benefits or the muscle building effects that they can get on other body parts. And you talk to anybody who's,

and I know I had clients like this where they skip leg day all the time. And then they hired me and I'm like, like, we can't do that. Well, I'm gonna train your legs. I'm a trainer, I have integrity, so we gotta do it. And then they also gained upper body strength and mass. Yes, and they all comment on it.

Why are my upper body is getting stronger. My arms feel bigger, like, what's going on? I'll explain this and say, well, you know, your body doesn't want to be that imbalance. So skipping leg day, yeah, your legs are small, but your arms are not as big as they could be as well. That's why I always trip on the human body, has so many of those mechanisms in place

to prevent a lot of those imbalances from happening or at least like kind of bring it back to somewhat of a homeostasis where it's most optimal. And this is the same thing with when you're in a state of famine and you're preserving calories, it has all these mechanisms in place to make sure that you're utilizing the energy the most efficiently possible.

If you're training free weights also, there's actually not very, and I can't actually can't think of any right now that are free weight. I can think of some machines, but if you're training legs, there's, you're almost always incorporating upper body too. Oh, it's holding. There's that factor too.

Yeah, I mean, you put 225 pounds or more on your back and your shoulders, your upper back, your abs and core. It has to count for that load. Yeah, so it's, it's getting worked. Of course, it's not like a direct effect like if you were to do shoulder press or do a row or whatever like that, but it's still getting worked. So there's gotta be some value in that.

And I can't think of a free weight exercise that you don't use a ride. Now, you could do leg extensions, leg curls, leg press where you take the upper body out of it, but most free weight, if not all, free weight, lower body exercises, still incorporates the upper body out of it, but most free weight, if not all, free weight, lower body exercises still incorporates the upper body. This is one of the reasons why I think generally speaking, people debate this all the time,

but I think if you were to interview a hundred top strength conditioning in muscle building coaches, a majority, maybe not all, but a majority would say that free weights generally build more muscle and strength than machines do. I think that's one of the reasons why. Free weights have that localized effect, but they have more of a systemic effect because so many things are involved.

You have to stabilize, you have to stand with the weight typically. If you're working your lower body, you're still holding the weight with your upper body and all that stuff. Here's another example. If you're watching this right now, you, if you have something that can measure your grip strength, go ahead and try squeezing as hard as you can while maintaining total relaxation

in the rest of your body. Don't grit your teeth, don't squeeze your hand. Everything totally relaxed and just activate your grip and then try it again, even though you might even be a little fatigued from your first attempt and then squeeze your entire, and see how much stronger you are. You'll notice a 10-15% increase in strength. By the way, you'll notice how hard it is to activate

maximally while relaxing everything. It's not a natural thing. Your body wants to turn on its CNS to generate more. Oh, I don't even think you need something to measure. Someone right now could literally just make relax your mouth, relax your body, squeeze your hand, and then allow yourself to grit your teeth and squeeze the other hand, and you can instantly feel your palm just get tighter.

Oh, totally. But the study's on right to left. It's so interesting. You'll have one leg totally incapacitated, so of course it's gonna atrophy. They'll train the other leg, and they'll compare this to groups where they don't train the other leg,

and they just leave them both. You lose less muscle in the leg that's not trained. It's such an interesting, but again, evolutionarily speaking, it makes perfect sense. I mean, our bodies evolved always trying to make us help us survive. And so all of it makes sense from that standpoint. And like you mentioned, you know, famine and metabolism

adapting and all that. I mean, it makes absolute perfect sense. But it is interesting. And a lot of people don't, by the way, this is true for women too. You want to build a bigger butt and you're not working out your upper body. You're not going to build the butt that you can because you're avoiding training the rest of your butt. The point that there is a lot of my female clients that would avoid a lot of upper body exercise, especially chest press or something like that.

Yes, it all works together. So this is all very, very important. All right, I want to talk about another very interesting observation. You know, there's these, I don't know what you would call them, not myths, but like things about being a dad, stereotypes about being a dad, right? That are hilarious.

Like there's the dad's sneeze, controlling the thermostat, all this kind of stuff. And yelling at cars that are going too fast. Yes. And then there's this other one that is hilarious. And Adam literally is this. He embodies it to the team. Embodies it.

So I'm sure you've seen the memes where it's like, you know, my dad at 6am getting us ready for our flight at 1pm. And dad is like, 6am ready with the luggage. Everything, let's go guys, we gotta go fast. We gotta make sure we're in time. Don't eat the breakfasts, you know. This is Adam, traveling with Adam.

The car can be so stressful because, we gotta, literally the flight. I wanna huge breakfast. The stop here, no, no stop here. Let's go to the other one. Let's get back on the freeway. Who's fucking directing us here? Yeah, what? What? We have like, there's get back on the freeway. Who's fucking directing us here? Yeah, oh my god.

We have like There's like everybody else's fault We had like five hours before the play leaves the the airports 30 minutes away And we not only can we not eat breakfast. We have to eat breakfast on a place that's on the way And if you can't find one then we're going to the airport. We have to be on time like bro and then we're going to the airport, we have a gun time, like bro. We got like, I don't know what to do.

Do the irony of this whole thing was that our plane was totally delayed. Yeah, and of course that happened, right? Yeah, of course that happened just to prove the point of that sound was trying to make even more. I love it. You guys are running bet too. Because for a minute there, I was looking

the other direction, you know what I'm saying? Oh, dude, I was clear. We were clear, we got a little delay there. Then know what I'm saying? Oh, dude. We got the clear. We got the clear. We got a little delay there. Then we had a belt thing go down, little delay there. Like, you know what I'm saying? We're at Utah, which is fucking airports ridiculous there. You have to go 45 minutes, walk cross just from A to C terminal.

Like, so it was looking like, you know, I was, I was, uh, I was just on time, but no, ended up, uh, several hours. It's literally like you your in a race. So what I'm trying to figure out, I mean, I'm trying to get to this to and to be I'm trying to be honest with myself right and say, is this a dad thing or have I always been this way and I can't you know, I can't recall. I mean, I wasn't I didn't travel as much with the same group of people to probably measure it well, to tell you, because I do know it's a pet peeve of mine to be rushing to the airport.

I've done, that's happened to me more than once in my life when you're with your... Now the irony is, you're rushing five hours early. Well, I don't rush it. I mean, you hear me putting the pressure on us, but I don't feel like I'm rushing. I mean, you may feel that way, so maybe you felt the stress of it, but that's exactly what I do, so hear me putting the pressure on us, but I don't feel like I'm rushing. I mean, you may feel that way, so maybe you felt the stress of it,

but that's exactly why I do it, so we don't stress. So then, just like, so when we get there, and shit happens, which always happens at the airport, the airport never goes smooth. If it does, it's like one at a 10 times to go smooth. There's always something, I mean, did it happen to Justin and I,

flying in, we were standing there, and we were way early, right? Him and I actually chose to meet at the airport instead of meeting with you guys, because we heard Sal going, oh, Doug, just meet me at nine. We just, we- How long do we get there 15 minutes before?

Yeah, like, we got clear, we'll just meet me right there, and I look at Judd, I'm like, no, I'll meet the guys there, dude. So we got there early and we're standing there. Two machines, bro. Yes, and the first, and we're like, right there to get, to go through the check in or whatever, and belt breaks, we're standing there. Two machines, bro. Yes, and the first, and we're like, right there to go through the check in or whatever, and belt breaks.

We're standing there, like 15 minutes. Then the guy tells us to go the other one, that one doesn't work. And the whole time, Justin and I are just bullshitting, looking at Instagram, talking, not stressed out because we know we're plenty early. But I don't know if it's a dad thing or I've always kind of been that.

Well, early, I get early, because I'm the same way, right? But there's early, and then there's unreasonable. Well, five hours. Come on, you gotta be a little fair here too. So we got, we had this checkout time at 10 o'clock and we have a flight at three and we had nothing in between, right? So it's like, if we, I try to get our checkout time,

push the noon, if we had done that, I would have waited at the house till noon. It's not like I would have made you guys leave at 11, but we had to be out anyways. And my theory is, we got to get out. We may as well head towards where we got to go. So we don't run into other things, which by the way, we were trying to do the breakfast spot you're all talking about right now.

That was off the beaten path. Thank God we were smart enough to call, which by the way, if I probably wasn't putting the pressure on us, we probably wouldn't call, we probably would have drove there. Showed out, found out it was a 45 minute wait before you could sit down and eat. And then, and then only had four hours with one. Because our plane got so angry. No, we're not the delay.

We're not the delay. You had the delay, it's like seven hours. No, but I love it because there's the means. Those memes exist for a reason. And I see them in myself. Like I'll see certain memes. Oh, like, oh, here's a good one. One minute after we start opening presents on Christmas. And it's the guy, the dad with the garbage bag. Oh, I'm definitely that guy. Oh, yeah, that's me.

That's me as soon as it starts. Oh, no, don't open anything. You can make it the garbage bag. We're starting. Well, I don't really have fun until everybody's like gone and like, I'm done assembling everything. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, you got to assemble all the shit. You got to get everything. Like, it's just like, okay, I'm not, I'm done assembling everything. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. You're like, you gotta assemble all the shit, you gotta get everything, like, it's just like, okay, I'm not, I'm not having fun yet. You know, speaking of our flights, you know, I was reminded on this flight on how I know that mass don't work.

I didn't need to wait for all these studies to come out and to tell us and stuff like that. Like, I knew this before that I'd been flying earlier in the year and I was reminded again seeing here because motherfuckers farting on the plane do not think I can still taste it. Yeah. I mean, you know, if someone farts like that and you can still taste it through the mask, like these things can't be that effective. There's no

way. Like it does not feel I don't feel like it filters anything or are are fart particles smaller than COVID, which one is dug? Look at it. Thanks. Look up our particles What kind of mask would block a I want to tap the shoulder the guy in front me like yeah bro You know I can still frickin smell that right like it was a big dude. Yes. Oh, it was the big I got four or five times on the plane. I'm like bro He was it was a big dude. It was a man He was he had some sleep apnea because he kept choking while you fall asleep

Oh really? Yeah, dude and his shirt was kind of up like this because he sat down and then his like half his butt cheek was hanging out So there was nothing it was fresh. There was no filter. Yeah, there was air in your mask That was it that was stopping the whole channel. I could definitely taste it still That's all I'm thinking the whole time's like there's no way he's thinking that The one time you really want it to work. Yeah, this seems to be a conversation as well on the internet. Oh really? Questions like if masks work, why can I still smell?

Oh, yeah. If a park can make it through pants, how can a mask protect you? These are questions. I mean, that was really sort of, I'm sitting there on the plane as the like the second one hits my face and that's what's coming to I'm sitting there on the plane as the second one hits my face and that's what's coming to, I'm going like, you know what, this is fucking, dude. Again, medical professionals, they have a whole protocol

of how to put these N95s on and it's like, you're not supposed to be able to smell anything, you're not supposed to be able to have any kind of like, anything in there where you could actually like, you can't smell it. You don't have to wear it once, that's it. You don't have my theories, it's okay. So those little shitty masks, they go like this,

and there's gaps all over here. And I think it actually creates a vacuum. So particles that would be flying like this, and I'm reading it, because yeah, because there's these little holes, and you breathe out and it goes, so maybe COVID or a fart would have went like this and it passed me, but because I have these little

gaps, I'm pretty like, yeah, it goes, and it breaks in. This is some science. That's a valid theory. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, and even the mass themselves, if you look at the mesh in comparison to particles of viruses, it's like,

tiny, I know, right. It's like a shopping cart filling it with sand. It's like trying to fill your shopping cart with sand. It's gonna go all the way through. By the way, for everybody, like if we're rattling people up here, I'm gonna piss you off. Who's still mad about this?

I guess it's over. I'm gonna piss you off even more. So now I just read an article, it's data coming out comparing places with strict mask mandates on children. So this is for kids now. So kids, two and a half, versus places where there are no mask mandates for children.

And luckily, one of the beauties of this country is we have states and states have a lot more control over your day-to-day life than the federal government does. So we can compare now, it's been a couple years, we can compare states that acted one way versus states that acted another way. Look at the data, do some controls, and say, did it work, did it not work. Here's what the data shows. Children wearing masks has no discernible effect

on infections or hospitalizations among children. Zero. So it was literally a waste of time, but beyond the waste of time Is their damage from having children wearing masks and I will argue yes And I will argue this right now and this is on a recorded podcast so you could bring this up later on when it's proven to be true They will show cognitive decline and challenges in children because

Part of your brain development big part of your brain development, big part of your brain development, for adults and children, especially children, is reading facial expression. Well, I mean, that's, that's, there's a lot going on there and we just had kids for two years and longer communication that you're just cutting off. For nothing. I mean, that's not too self-stardomest because there's already, that came out already. We know that the IQ points dramatically drop. Yeah, but they're trying to connect that to schooling at home and all that stuff. I think that plays a role too.

I'm just I'm talking purely about all the plays of roles. Children not seeing facial expressions for six hours a day. I know, but that's I mean, how are they going to measure that? I mean, they're going to have to measure it through things like that. They're I think they're going to do more tests after later on. I know what that's good. What do you think that's going to look like?

What's going to bring activate? What's going to prove your point more than that? Well, that they're the IQ. That I mean, to me, that's that's good. What do you think that's gonna look like? What's gonna prove your point more than that IQ? To me, that's gonna umbrella that statement more than anything else. What's gonna come out in five years from now that's gonna prove your point more? I just don't, the best one is already out, which we already see, which is crazy. The fact that it's already declining.

I want people to take a look in the mirror right now because it's your fault that we did this to our kids and it was driven by our own fear and paranoia. And what we did is we took actions that were unreasonable and we heard our own kids over it. So next time an emergency happens, which will, there's always emergencies, remember, the mass fear and hysteria that you allowed yourself

to get manipulated over. And then one more thing I'll add, we completely, even if the masks did work well, children do not use them in ways that would make them work. You can't expect a five year old to treat a mask the way a surgeon does. They touch it, they're moving the faith, they're the same mask they wear for the whole week,

or however many months happen. And you know what it is? This is a wonderful, the last two years, a wonderful, like it's a beautiful examination of human psychology. Many of these policies were not passed because they actually help or work. This makes you feel better. It's all about the false sense of safety.

But I feel safe for now because, you know, kids are covering their faces, even though it's a little bit more. I compare it to TSA, where we have all of these, like limitations to get access through. You have to like put your bag in, to TSA where we have all of these limitations to get access through. You have to put your bag in, you put your shoes in, they patch it down, you go to the x-ray.

And then meanwhile, somebody still just walked through the exit and got all of their carrying guns and knives and all kinds of shit. There's people who test to show, it doesn't work as well or whatever. Yeah. And the way that they'll get through is silly. And you're just like, wow.

You're just like, I can't believe they didn't stop them from going through the exit. I know. I can't get your hot dog gun on with this big old gal in a water. Ever when we got through the check and then he sat down and he opens up and he's like, oh shit. I walked right through with this. It was next to his machete.

Oh, it didn't seem bad. I just get scared. They're traveling a little bit. It was just a save because like, oh shit, I walked right through with this. It was next to his machete. Oh, the didn't even have to get this. That travels a lot. It was just a save, because they're doing such a rigorous job of padding everybody down, and then they didn't consider the most obvious thing. I know. Yeah, well, anyways.

It wasn't water, it was vodka, by the way. It looked like water. You know, another one of your good Vodditions is starting to come true right now. I'm sure you see it of course, because you predicted it is they're trying to come after Joe Rogan like crazy. You see how much media is attacking him.

I saw in the lamest memes ever about him from a whole episode. So pay close attention, because data's coming out showing that Rogan has way more of an audience and influence than the next most popular eight media, you know, popular media, I guess, channels and shows combined. So huge influence. Not and also combine that with the fact that Rogan seems to not really follow any particular narrative

and, you know, he'll speak his mind and he'll have people that are counter-narrative, whether that's good or bad, that's not the point. The point is he has a lot of power and he doesn't seem to be controlled or controllable. He is the new target. Pay attention, they're starting the campaign against them. And you're going to see articles, there was like this one thing, we're like 270, I put here in quotation marks, doctors, because it turns out many of them were not doctors. Signed to things saying that he should be kicked off Spotify, then people are posting

10-year-old videos of him saying the wrong thing, which by the way, I love it when mass media tries to point out when someone else says something wrong. Boy, I could show you last week how many things you guys said that was wrong, but they're all going after him now. He's enemy, public enemy number one. So imagine you're on the board of Spotify right now. Like, what do you think the mood of the climate is around that?

Do you think they're like sitting around the board and they're excited or they're scared or they're like, oh fuck, we gotta do something. Like, what do you think that conversation looks like? I would depend on what part of the company we're talking about. I mean, the board, the main ease, they're probably angry. No, no, the board, the people that are making,

they're probably super pumped. Look at the numbers again. I know, that's what I would say. That would be like beautiful. Yeah, so you don't think there's any conversation going like do we have to take action or we're worried about the government stepping in and actually, well I heard this.

Fucking with us, they probably fucked with Facebook and Twitter. Do we think that it's going to happen to us now? Nelson, we're going to get people crawling up our ass and all kinds of relations. If we don't hear if we don't, I heard it's like a Finnish or a Swedish or a different country like owns Spotify and so they don't really care about the Switzerland.

Okay, it's a Switzerland based company. You don't really follow a company, right? Done. I'm looking it up right now. Yeah. You know what the problem is? American policy to the Sweden thing. Oh, they don't care.

You know what the problem is? The policy to the Sweden thing. Oh, they don't care. You know what the problem is? The problem is the way that Rogan communicates his information and the type of audience that he has, if they did shut him down, let's say Spotify kicked him off, you would only make him stronger. You would, if something happens to him or if they shut, he'll become a martyr, he'll become like way more popular and powerful. Yeah, it's too late. He's too big.

He's too big. And the way the type of audience that he has, if you did that, you would only fuel the conspiracy theories. You would only fuel people saying, ah, they're trying to silence the truth. If I was on the other end of this, and I'm trying to shut him down, I'm looking at this going, wow, this is complicated.

What are we gonna do? Because if we go out of this way, it's gonna screw us, if we go out of this way, it's going to screw us. If we go out of this way, it's going to screw us like, what do we do? Speaking of which, there was a, I think it was a doctor recently on his show. And people are putting this clip up as a gotcha. Like, oh, see, Rogan was wrong, right? So Rogan's talking to his doctor and Rogan said something like, kids have a higher risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than they do from COVID. And this doctor said, I think it was a doctor says, no, that's not true. Kids who get COVID have a slightly higher risk of myocarditis than if they got the vaccine.

And then Rogan argued and then they looked it up and the doctor was right. And so people are like, oh, here's your gacha moment. The risk of myocarditis from COVID is higher than that of the vaccine. The problem with that is this is a classic example of data manipulation, okay? So I'm gonna explain. Not only that, but what a stupid thing to like debate

and argue. Well, and here's where the data manipulation comes into play. Number one, we all know that children get far less severe side effects or effects, I should say, from COVID, oftentimes get no real effects or maybe the sniffles. So at large percentage, it's easily, we can easily assume that a large percentage of kids who get COVID, don't even get tested or don't get brought to the hospital, right? It's the ones that get tested or the ones with really bad symptoms or the ones that get hospitalized. So what you're comparing is severe COVID to the vaccine.

You're also assuming all kids will get COVID. Okay, so really, if you really wanna look at the comparison, you have to compare all children, all categories. COVID, no COVID, mild COVID, severe COVID, to kids who get a vaccine. And then if you do that, then you do see the risk of myocarditis is higher in the vaccine than it is in that category.

So that's data manipulation right there for your folks. And they do use that. So you still write then. He was, but he didn't communicate that, right? He kind of dropped it there and it looked like he got, you know, whatever. Speaking of data, I have something for you guys. Okay, we remember when we talked about the pandemic

and like what happened with Amazon and the death of kind of like brick and mortar and like e-commerce and where that's going. What is your got first of all one, where do you think the state of brick and mortar is right now and then two, what is your prediction going forward on what that's going to look like? Do you think that this pandemic just accelerated what was already inevitable that was already happening us moving to digitally and online?

Do you think there is a future in brick and mortar if it is? What does it look like? What's your guys' theories on all that? That's a good question. Yeah, it's interesting because it seems to be shifting a little bit, but I'm not sure if that's in all industries. I would say that the force lockdowns took the market share away from small businesses and gave it to the big businesses that could continue to operate.

So Amazon, Walmart, Target, got a larger percentage of the market share because small brick and mortars were forced to shut down. These larger ones had, yeah, that's not much of a prediction. Right, so I think small, I think brick and mortars got hurt, the larger companies got larger market shares, which income inequality, whatever you wanna call it,

just grew as a result of these policies. I think the pendulum of swing back a little bit. I don't think it'll ever go back to where it was before. And then as far as the future is concerned, this is just my guess. That the small brick and mortar businesses are gonna change in the sense that they might be more like showrooms versus stocking all their product and selling

I remember thinking on this Q4 numbers just came in right from from last year for brick and mortar up 14% higher than pre-pandemic all-time highs Wow, dude. What? Wow 14% higher now is this a cross is this the cross the board all spaces your point yes this happened during the pandemic there was a and I had the I don't know the exact percentages off but it was like I want to say say it was seven to 10 percentage points moved from obviously brick and mortar to you know e commerce yeah and then that shifted back for the most part, but brick and mortar is still consistently growing and it was 14% higher in Q4 than the highest

all time high pre-pandemic. Now, is this, okay, so I, is just, is this trippy or what? Is this, I'll never get scratched my head on that one. Yeah, now is it, so, okay, cause I wanna look at the data because, does this mean, for example, with the gym industry, a lot of gym shut down,

but the ones that remained now have a larger percentage of the market share? Yes, so what happened is consumers have not changed as much as you think they've, or we thought they have changed. Consumers have stayed consistent in the same way they purchased and stuff like that. The only thing that really happened was the pandemic killed a lot of small, mom-pup businesses that were potentially struggling already and kind of weeded them out and the strong, resilient businesses that have stuck around,

stuck around, and now they are just reaping the benefit of them. That makes sense because if you could survive the pandemic, you were more efficient. It's right. You produced better services, better products, and you're better positioned to serve the market. And so what it did is it got rid of the competition

which was already on the borderline and allowed these other businesses that do a better job to flourish. That's what you're saying. Oh, that makes perfect sense. That is very interesting. Yeah, I would have not thought that at all, man. I did not see that coming.

Really, really interesting. It is interesting to see kind of what's going on. It's encouraging. Real estate's weird. So we were just in Utah over the weekend, where we're looking at, we're setting up a property over there because we plan on putting together, and we'll talk about this a little bit more. Putting together these locations that people could go to that are where there's lots of stuff you could do around it. So we went to, this is near Park City, sort of skiing, there's summer, you know, stuff you could do, there's lots of stuff you could do around it. So we went to, this is near Park City. So the skiing, there's summer stuff you could do.

There's a lake there. And we wanted a place where we could go and we were gonna set it up with red light and PRX equipment and make it like a place where you could optimize your health and fitness and then do all these fun activities, which is really cool. I mean, the gym's gonna be sick. The way we talked about setting up all the PRX

and everything, yeah. It's really, really cool. But mean, the gym's gonna be sick, the way we talked about setting up all the PRXs and everything. It's gonna be really, really cool. But when we were talking to our agent out there, she was telling us how much the prices have gone up in that area in like the last five years. Yeah. Triple crazy. I just, I haven't finished it,

but I'm watching the most recent Peter Liniman updates. We've had Peter Lineman on the show. He, I found him a long time ago on the Walker webcast. And he comes on at least once a year on there, something I think he did twice last year, but they were revisiting his predictions last year and he literally drilled everything. Everything from GDP to interest rates to, yeah, everything.

Like he hit everything, probably of all the economists that I listened to, which I listened to a lot on some competing and disagreeing and stuff like that. He's been the most accurate on everything and he's extremely bullish on this year on real estate, on consume, on everything. Like ever that we are about to see. He's saying like a two to four percent or two to four percent more growth and GDP than what pre pandemic growth was looking like. And his theory on that is just the makeup of what we lost during the pandemic. Right. And part of what is, that's a company by is the amount of money and people's

checking account right now. Yes, I read that. That's right. There's a lot of savings averages around. is the amount of money in people's checking account right now. Yes, I read that. That's right. There's a lot of savings. Average is around, so the long running stat for decades has been roughly $2 trillion give or take is what is typically in people's accounts. And right now we're sitting like a 8.7 trillion.

Now, you're talking about six, more than three times, the amount of money that's sitting there. Now, did he talk about if that's like relatively, if the distribution of that stayed the same or if that's wealthy people with a way more? Well, he's talked about in the past that one of the worst parts of all the things we've talked about, we've been scared about from COVID,

the one of the worst things was the wealth gap that we all talked, that we, It just grew. Yeah, we saw the largest wealth gap that we all talk that we just grew. Yeah, we saw we saw the largest Wealth gap in history happened like right before eyes and not a lot of people talked about it Yeah, I mean we were talking about desks. We're talking about interest rates So because of that. Let's say there's a huge so let's speculate a little bit. Maybe you know this Adam huge increase in

Savings right liquid cash or money and Your space essentially what we're saying is that greater percentage of that was to the wealthy, not distributed like it was before. So, okay, I think we should clarify on what you mean by that. So, it isn't that the money got distributed more to the wealthy. It's that. It's that. It's that. Because you pumped so much money into the economy, money will essentially go chase goods and assets. And we're actually just becoming smarter over time.

40 years ago when something like this would happen, a lot of that money would chase consumer goods. We're actually becoming smarter and we realize that, oh my God, all this money getting pumped in, inflation should happen, should grab a hold of assets. So it's chasing assets. That's why real estate's exploded. Right. And so you have people who have already hold of assets. So it's chasing assets. That's why real estate's exploded. Right.

And so you have people who have already lots of assets, multiple properties or own a lot of stock. They just got much wealthier during this time and the people that do not have any of those things. So even though the people who probably were, you know, under the poverty line or lost jobs or were struggling financially, they actually got the checks.

The money initially went to them. This is what I always try to explain to people that are pro all this stuff that want, or the handouts and the help. It's like, the money's still always ends up back to them. So why they, on the politicians that they're in say, we're gonna help you out in free pizza, and here's more this, and oh, pushing you behind,

so like that, it does it all you do. You give that to somebody who's barely getting by financially, you give them a few hundred or even say a few thousand, you know, a month more, and eventually what ends up happening is it gets put right back into the system and the people that are holding the companies, holding the assets, and it still ends up back in their pocket.

Yeah, so we're gonna see, and the reason why I pointed that out is because all that growth, we're probably gonna see it, a lot of it be concentrated in those things assets. That's his prediction. So his prediction, especially when you factor in that a lot of money you went to banks, and a lot of money went to people in there checking and saving. So you have a lot of liquid, like you said, and then banks got a ton of money.

So they have a ton of lending power right now. And then you have this Fed coming out saying that we are going to move up so that the prediction is five to six basis points over two years. The likelihood of what that will look like is about a quarter basis point per quarter. So you'll see like point two five go up on the interest rate and the next quarter point two five again. So in two years we'll go up like two two percentage points. What that will do is we'll drive people be urgent. Oh my God, it's gonna go up in the year or two, gotta go buy, banks are loaning money, I've got money to put away a little bit

because of this money that I've saved during the pandemic and it's only gonna end then real estate is still millions underbuilt. Yeah, and this is also why I just read an article on the increase of the price of new cars. It went up like 15%, but if you look at luxury cars, luxury cars went up the most. Have all new cars, the cars that are like 50,000 or more or 60,000 or more, went up the most because you had all these people with more money, with lots of money.

That's what they want to buy. They want to buy the luxury cars and then use cars went up a lot as well, but that's mainly because the supply was so short. Yeah, and people didn't want to wait to get their car a year later with that, so I'm gonna drove up the demand for that. But yeah, we're so behind on building that even if we, if every, all the projects that are started come true, you have the largest generation coming in to buy homes.

You've got the most liquid we ever seen. We have historically low interest rates. You have some low to anything. They have the most low to it ain't. They can't catch up on a lot of those building materials. I know that went through the roof for a while. So that's part of what caused the being so behind. Like we ever since the crash and the big O8 crash, or what I thought was the housing market and stuff

or was O7, whatever the year was. So when that happened, we started to try and keep that from happening again, we've continually underbuilt. That's a big portion of why real estate has continued to crush since 09 and it's just ran around. Yeah, because we intentionally kept it down because what we were afraid of was to put ourselves in another predicament like that.

So we've been under building forever, and then not forever, but since 09. And then on top of that, then you come into the issues with Materials but going up and so and then pandemic everybody yeah slowing down not building so that just put us on on the back Burners, yeah, so and that's part of his theory on why we're gonna be so bullish for the next two years is because Yeah, even if you believe a correction is coming it's we got to catch up first before that correction I feel I feel like there's still more air to be pumped into there is yeah Even if you believe a correction is coming, we gotta catch up first before that correction happens. I feel like there's still more air to be pumped into.

There is. Yeah, it's coming for sure. It's gonna be a good time. I can't wait to see what the Fed does when their rise in interest rates doesn't do anything to the inflation because I think that's too little too late. We're gonna see inflation continue to grow.

They're moving it up a quarter or whatever. Like, are they gonna crank it up even more? Or what's gonna happen? So what I I the one thing I don't understand this I haven't been able to wrap my brain around So part of why they can't do that is because they can't service their own debt We have so much so they're in this weird predicament of yeah, we need to raise interest rates So we could slow down the inflation rate But then we can't raise them so fast that we can't service our own debt. So run the way we do.

There's this damned if you do, damned if you don't, type of situation. Maybe we should print our own money. Just kidding, don't assassinate me. I'm gonna. Doug, if you could look up how long it would take to count to a million, a billion, and a trillion, at once, if you count one every second.

Cause I want people to get an idea of what a trillion actually is. The difference between a million and a trillion at once, if you count one every second. I want people to get an idea of what a trillion actually is. The difference between a million and a billion and the difference between a billion and a trillion. Well, you did this not that long ago. I did a million and a billion, but I want to do it again. No, you did a trillion. And you did it based off of time and you were showing. Yeah, like every second, if you had to count every second,

how long would it take to get to a trillion, which is the number of things. Yeah, did he do this Andrew? Did you put a thing up on the, yeah, I remember when it blew my mind because I've never seen anybody do that before and I would have never thought the difference between a billion and a trillion was that dramatic. Oh, it's the same.

And that went a great way to highlight that. What did they say there Doug? Yeah, 11 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes. Is it? Is it seconds to a million? That's a million. A million. So just save round. 11 days is a million. 11 days million a million so just save round 11 days is a million 11 days

I wrote as trying to remember all the math so 11 days is a million All right, and for a billion we got like 31 years right? So yes under in days 11,574 days. I don't know how many years that is well That doesn't help us the level three goes into that so like 12 to 15 years Well, I see I typed in this in, that will three goes into that. So like 12 to 15 years. Well, I see, I typed in this in wrong. So let me just say, how many, yeah. How many, one billion seconds in years or something like that?

Or how many days, I guess? So you got 11 days for the million. Okay, and to count to a billion. It's 30 years. 30 years. So 30 years, okay. So it goes 11 days, then it goes to the 30 years, which is a huge gap, then go to a trillion.

A trillion is a number that you want to even guess. I know, I remember when I saw it, I blew my mind. Yeah, 31,709 years. 31,000. That's crazy. Yeah, and how many? And how many? It goes from days, 11 days, to 30 years,

it's a huge jump, and then it goes to 31,000 years. Keep in mind, we're printing billions of dollars right now like crazy and it's not tied to any goods or services. That's why everybody who wants to think that there's this crazy... They don't, it's electronic. That's what I mean. They're not printing it. You'd imagine it would cost you millions of dollars to print trillions of dollars.

Yeah, that money has to go somewhere and it has to chase something. And historically, it's consumer goods and assets. And historically in the way past, it was more consumer goods were smarter now, just in general because of the information that's available to us now that people are like, oh shit, which is why we see these these kind of silly assets

like NFTs crypto currencies. I mean people are just yeah, they're chasing anything. They're taking anything that they think is a value right now and putting it there and that's where what? All these markets are good comment books baseball cars football all record highs. Oh, Did you see the did you guys see the little thing is going viral right now with what's his face? The Logan Paul with the, he got scammed off the 3.5.

Yeah, but they're saying that that was kind of a way to, for him to pump up his NFT thing. So, yeah, so I've seen different predictions on that, right? So I heard that he's doing that just to, exactly, because he's a big pusher of NFTs. And so the idea is that he's, but then I saw another thing showing that a buddy of his was the one that actually sold it to him.

And he was the one, and they actually had somebody come over and authenticate it. The company that's what they specialize in, authenticating it, who authenticated it. So. Three million though. He paid three million for poker lawyers. So chip on this though, I did hear somebody break down

what that means to him, which is crazy. Here's a perfect, because you're comparing things like this. So he's worth a hundred million dollars. So his net worth is a hundred million, so do that. So that's literally like, it's like you have a hundred grand, you lost three grand. Yeah, it's really not that big of a deal.

It isn't that big of a deal. But I mean, you see that on YouTube, like holy shit, dude, lost three point five million dollars. There's three million dollars on me, it's a lot. Yeah, on a Pokemon card like how crazy that is ironically The YouTube views that he'll get off of that will probably be cover. Yeah, we're cover a quarter that instantly Just probably made him three million dollars. Yeah, funny, right? Hey speaking. Let's go back to when we were in Utah

Let's talk about the snowmobiling. I'd never done that you guys had done that before. I was very proud of you I know That's like in pop so I originally cold. I'd never done that, you guys had done that before. I was very proud of you. I know, I got snow out for nature. That's like in pop. So I originally, so it's cold. I don't like the cold. Yeah. I'm not a big snow person, not, I don't like it. Now, and I'm riding this big machine,

by the way, did I not call it? Did I not call that they would try to take us on shit? And we're not qualified to ride? I'm gonna call you out right now. I knew it. I'm like, oh, they're gonna. This is a little bit of a flex. They're gonna make us do some shit that we're not.

It's my first time ever being on one. And we've all of us, right? We all bailed a few times, but it was a good time. Yeah, well, Doug and I have written before, my only experience riding though was like with a guided experience, which was cool about here. You gotta love Utah for this. Like, we roll up to this place,

and not only get snowmobiles, we get like the highest power ones. These are like 850s, these things move, right? And they're fun. And all we had to do was sign a quick waiver, rent our shit, and then we were like, hook it up to our own trailer, and take off. And then you head out to this place that's got 2 million acres. It was cool watching. I don't remember his name.

It was Kyle's friend. Yeah, yeah, it was Kyle's friend. And he was a pro watching him maneuver and manipulate just cutting up into the mountain like on like one ski and the other one's hanging off. Oh, standing on the side and you know, using one hand, I was like, wow, that is incredible. So I've driven a lot of like ATVs, dirt bikes, ski dudes, I mean, you name it,

I've like driven all those things. For sure, snowmobiling is the hardest to control. Is it really? Yeah, 100%. I mean, you're on a single track on the back. Your two front steering wheels are sleds that are on ice. So, you know, are on snow. So if it's a compacted at all, you don't get any grip or traction.

There's nothing that I was like. You can't turn it like a U-turns, like in pasta. No, yeah. So it's more difficult to maneuver than any of those other ones. So who won between the race with you guys? I watched the video, it's hard to tell. Who won?

Just me. Yeah, I got one. Yeah, I got one. Yeah, I got another one. Yeah, yeah. There was one guy Kyle. Yeah, I smoked Kyle. Yeah, he did.

Yeah, he did that like that. Yeah, I was surprised. What could he do? He took the wrong side, I think. It was like, it was like this. You know what's the word I want to use? It's it seems more challenging when you look at it like a hill It's like 45 degrees like I can't go up that thing, but no you hit the gas and you'll make it up there Yeah, just don't lose your balance

I mean everybody crash right? Justin went over the handlebars dude He crashed a couple times right you crashed in the powder then you crashed again on the little goalie But he crashed hard That's the one over the handlebars, dude. He crashed a couple times, right? You crashed in the powder, then you crashed again on the little goalie. But he crashed hard. Well, the other one was, yeah, I just kind of barely kind of stepped off of it, but this one was brutal.

I was going down the hill and like, didn't realize there was like a shelf there, a little cliff, and didn't see like the other side of it, and how far down it was, and I just launched right over, and I was going fast, so I hit and kind of stuck, and then I boom, flipped right over it. And I was going fast. And so I hit and kind of stuck. And then I bumped flipped right over it. I know, I didn't see him fall. And then I see Justin right up.

And he's doing the QL stretch, you know? He's doing the same. I'm like, oh, she would happen, bro. Yeah, I feel off. I went hard. Yeah, I went over the front of the head. So since we're talking about Utah, I do want to share a little bit more

about the vision for these properties that we want to do because this is exciting for us. It's totally new, but it's exciting. I'm really excited about this. I have no idea what to expect and anticipate. The goal is to be able to do it through the audience and not have to go through Airbnb and VRBO to make it more inclusive, make it more service that we're kind of providing for our audience. And then also it's an investment for us. So we're obviously trying to make money off of this too.

And the idea is that I've never seen these before. So if somebody has ever seen an example, this please send to me so I can do my own homework and research on how other people manage this. But this idea of this unplug, biohacking type of house, we have all these great connections in relationships, right? So this house, we went and spec'd it all out, right? So this is a 2,500 square foot townhouse with four bedrooms. It's gonna have a steam room, a sauna, a jacuzzi,

sick ass golf, juve infrared, the PRX, a cold plunge, and a movie theater, all in this place. And then we'll do other things as far as the plasma TVs. And then we'll do it. And then you're obviously in a location where you can ski, snowboard, you get in the summer, there's a lake, you can kayak, you can mountain like. So now obviously this is going to cost,

to obviously to run a jacuzzi and coal plunge and sawnas and things like that. You know, we know that it's gonna run the bill up, we're also in kind of higher-end places, so it will be a premium luxury type of place. So I know it's not gonna attract the same kind of traffic that like your standard just place is going to be, but I believe that there's a demand for something like this, and I can't be the only, I know you guys can't,

we can't be the only people that would love. I would do it. Right. If I was looking for places to rent and I wanted to go to a place like that where I was gonna either ski or snowboard or do mountain biking, that stuff, and I'm comparing and I saw a place with like a gym in the garage and, you know, red light therapy

and I could do the steam and the sauna and then maybe there's like, supplements in there because we're gonna work with all our partners, so this house will be decked out. I would 100%, I'd be so excited. But like, that's where I'm gonna go. Stay. So one of the things I like,

and I love our forum to start maybe a poll, maybe Helen will do this when she hears this episode on, this is the first one. So this is the test, right? So we went there, we specced it all out, like every, we did all, like high-end stuff inside. So it's gonna be a beautiful place, right outside of part city. We mostly agreed on the decor on the,

I'm like good. I was surprised by that. I actually told Brooke beforehand, I'm like, you know, I really don't know about how to work. I said all four, by the way, she really, she really did great job. Yeah, she's a very, very good agent. Yeah, no, she's been, she's been,

yeah, if you're ever looking for an agent in Utah, look her up for sure. She's attached to my Instagram, probably seen her before. But I warned her, like, I don't know what this is gonna be like. All four of us have different style and taste. This is gonna be pretty good. We mostly agreed.

We did. I thought we all, I think we were like- The only thing that- There's a lot of push pull, but it ended up like, oh yeah, I see where you're going with that. And I liked it. Yeah, the only thing that we described a couple thing, one of them was the back splash in the kitchen.

I was real set on more of a rustic look. You guys went on the shinier. Yeah, that's all. And then the marble countertop that went down, like Adam was kind of bummed we didn't do that. But, no, but otherwise we mostly got along and I think it's kind of looking. Yeah, I know.

I think it's, I think it's going to look amazing. And I'm super excited to see how it does. But what I'd love to hear from the audience, especially if you're in our private form, was I'll ask if Helen does like a poll for this, is I would really be interested in what the audience, especially if you're in our private form, as I'll ask if Helen does like a poll for this, is I would really be interested in what the audience, what destinations would you like, right? So if Park City, Utah's the first one

near one of the best ski resorts in the country, what are other places? In the United States, I don't want it, we're not gonna go outside there first. In the United States, where... I would think like a beach or tropical location. Yeah, I know what we all think. I know what we all think. I are that's I know we I know what we all think. Dona or something that I would like to see what I would love to see a

pole and then to see what gets the most likes and traction because I know we have our theories and ideas on what the second one the third one would look like. But I'd be really interested in the places that our audience would love to go the most and then that might decide might dictate what direction we go. I'll tell you what I like to see right now is I like to see that your guys' faces aren't so damn dry. I can wear over there. See, my whole face is gonna crack.

Yeah, all you guys are so, I can't, I got Oily out there. I saved my life for sure on my face. I actually got all last night, just splashed everything. So I just absorbed it immediately. So I actually contemplated putting, so my lips are so fucking cracked. My lips are split and are so dry and they hurt.

What you guys were doing all night? I was, I was literally, I was contemplating putting the serum on my lips because it was helping my skin, but if my lips were still all dried out, so my face felt fine, lips are all cracked and dried. I'm like, I wonder if I would rub the stuff all over my lips if I would've been all right.

But yeah, no, that's why I didn't want to do it. Because I'm going to take it real. Well, I took the regular lotion that was there. I was like putting it in my nose because my nose was cracking and bleeding on the inside of her. And I was like, I just got to throw moisture stuff in here. Yeah, you sound like, every time you took a breath, it sounded like ZamFear with your nose.

I'm like, Triskets in there. Well, I'm super pumped about so this where we were buying back to that house What's so cool about this too is that so we're like phase seven and every time they they move up a phase of obviously the prices go up And they add amenities and so we're the last phase of this and they have the Softwater included in it. They have the humidifier ran the entire house, which, so the new model is gonna. Yeah, but in the theater room is gonna be, I'm most excited about that. I mean, that's my one thing I miss in the trucky location is that we don't have like a really cool movie place,

which I know we did that intentionally, but there's times when I'm up there, and I'm like, damn, I wish we had a cool place to watch a movie. Yeah, I like that too, but it's nice to not have it, it gives you the excuse to hang out together, you know? Yeah, yeah, which is the only thing. But yeah, I know you guys coming out of your rooms in the morning,

it was like, just didn't look like he had toasted some bread and just rubbed the crumbs over. Yeah, it's basically like that. What's up, dude? Well, we probably would have been for a while. Except we all opened our windows. That's what it was. We all opened our windows because, well, we made the mistake

and then we also ran the fireplace. Like the fireplace dries it out even more. So the fireplace all day having the windows open like I mean we just it was like that's the right recipe for the storm yeah that was pretty dumb on our part. Hey real quick let me tell you about one of our sponsors element t now they make electrolyte powders with no artificial sweeteners that have the appropriate level of sodium to improve performance, give you better pumps, better recovery, they taste really, really good. I love them, I notice a difference in the pumps that I get when I work out.

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Some people would say staying consistent is easier and better, but I actually find this is one of the easier ways for me to manipulate my calories, instead of doing it like every other day or schedule is just like my workout days. I'm fed more on my off days. I cut back a little bit. I did the same thing and I found more energy and better workouts and I would argue better recovery from feeding myself more on the days where I'm placing a higher demand on my body, right? So I'm training my body and breaking things down, causing some damage.

It makes logical sense to feed your body more on those days and then to have less calories on the days off. And between now the argument is, well, on the days off and between you need to recover as well. Perhaps it is all a wash, but I did notice better workouts and I did play with this quite a bit. So in essence, instead of being at, let's say a 500 calorie deficit every single day

You'd be on a thousand calorie deficit on the days you don't work out and no calorie deficit on the days You do work out so at the end of the week it equals out to the same thing But you're more fed on the training days. I think it does require a bit more mental discipline for some people Like so if I'm able to bring my calories up substantially to not have the tendency to want to keep them up when I'm not as active, that takes a little bit more discipline in safeguards in place. If you can actually do that, I find that for me personally

too, and a lot of my clients, they had a lot more success with that because it did fuel their workouts better and they had better recovery and undulating like that still provided really good results. There's research to support that underlating is superior. That is getting straight. So that we're clear on. What we don't have anything to support is whether that matters if it's on a training day or a rest day. So that's why I would say that's a personal preference. Maybe you're somebody who likes to have a lighter stomach on training days and when you're recovering, you prefer to load it up.

Well, let's talk to the behavior aspect, right? For some people, and I had clients like this, it was easier for them to eat less on the days they worked out. Why? Because they're already in the mental state of I'm training and I'm getting fit. And they're busy. And they why? Because they're already in the mental state of, I'm training and I'm getting fit.

And they're busy. You're busy, you're busy, you're moving. Yes, versus where I'm at home and I'm not busy. Yeah, and I want to enjoy my food, I want to go out with my friends and eat more. In which case, I'm gonna say this right now, and I'll always say this. Unless it's like a coping mechanism.

Yeah, I'll say this all day long, behavior comes first, right? So if it allows you to stay more consistent overall, then go with eating less on the days you work out. If that's you, right? And again, I had clients like that where they're like, look, on Saturdays and Sundays, they don't train, I want to go out and eat more.

When I'm training, I'm more occupied, I'm less thinking about food, I'm not going out to eat as much, so I'd rather eat less on those days. And I would tell them, fine, do it that way, because at the end of the day's behavior part, that's the most important. But for me personally, when I would break things down to performance, if I get even more specific,

it was the meal I had two hours before I worked out. So if I worked out first thing in the morning, I would make sure the dinner the night before was much larger, and that's where I would make sure the dinner the night before was much larger. And that's where I would make up the difference in my calories. So if you want to get real specific, and we're splitting hairs here, but if you want to get real specific, studies do show having a higher calorie meal with carbohydrates and proteins. About two hours before athletic performance shows improved performance, more stamina, more

endurance, and more strength. But other than that, if one works better for you than the other, and it's more likely to keep you consistent, that's what you should focus on. Not the splitting of hairs, where I'm going to recover 3% faster, or I'm going to notice a 5% increase in performance. That's not nearly as important, especially on a long-term basis. Next question is from Carnivore Girl 84. What are the pros and cons of wearing gloves when lifting? I'm a musician and it's important for me to maintain flexibility

in my hands and fingers. Yeah, so let's start with the obvious, right? You guys remember the the meme that was when viral, like I don't know, like probably four or five years ago and it was like a glove, but it looked like underwear. So like like, don't you guys remember that one? Pull that up, look up, glove meme underwear. And you guys will see, I know you had just seen this. No, I don't know what it was. What did the meme say?

I don't think it said anything. It was just, or I think it said something like, what you look like wearing gloves. You know what I'm saying? And it looks like underwear. Like so you'll see. Mark Wahlberg pulls it off. Well, he wears like gardening gloves. And the way he receives it gloves or gel. You know what I'm saying? And it looks like underwear like so you'll mark Walbert pulls it off. Well, he wears like gardening gloves. I mean, the way we see for gloves or whatever. You know, okay, so let's talk about the obvious. You wear gloves,

you're less likely to get calluses, your skin is going to stay softer. So some people think, you know, that's important for them. So that's the obvious. But let's talk about the Natsuo obvious. So I, as a kid, used to be a glovevewear when I worked out and I wore oh there it is hand or pants That's hilarious So when I was a kid I wore the gloves that were the mesh like top Yeah, the fingers cut off and that was cuz of Rocky. I'm gonna be honest I watch Rocky. I think we all went through a phase of that. Yeah, well they were popular back They were and I know Rocky. You know, he's in the first one

He's bodybuilders were rocking them back then. They were. And Rocky, you know, he's in the first one, and he's bad. And bodybuilders were rocking him back then. Yeah, until you realize how badly stink. Yeah, I'm gonna get rid of them. But here's the thing. I hate wearing gloves now because I'm more connected to the bar and to the weights when I don't have gloves on because there's a lot of nerve endings in your hands.

And you want to feel what's going on. And I feel like I can, I have better technique and form and connection to the weight with my hands like I can, I have better technique and form and connection to the weight with my hands without gloves than when I have gloves on. Here's something else that's less that's not discussed often. When you wear gloves, you actually increase the circumference of the bar when you grip. So that may mean that it's harder for you to hold onto a bar. So it would be, it's similar to grabbing a thicker barbell, right?

So if you grab a thicker barbell, it's harder to hold onto a bar. So it would be, it's similar to grabbing a thicker barbell, right? So if you grab a thicker barbell, it's harder to hold onto a heavy weight when your hand is like this versus when your hand is like. Oh, I would challenge that though. I would challenge that because I would say the difference of that circumference making it more difficult is negated by the little bit better grip because you're using leather.

I think you get just as good of a grip. I don't think, no, I know, well, okay. Let's compare it with chalk. sorry, I always use chalk. So chalk versus gloves, I get just good grip. Yeah, okay, that's, yeah. Chalks to move. I'm talking about barehanded, barehanded versus gloves. With sweat, I get it.

You get a better grip with gloves for sure, but you know, so I think what you're saying is kind of negated by that. It's not, I think that's splitting hairs, the difference, right? But I'm curious what you guys think on her. So she specifically is a musician and she's concerned about flexibility in her hands and fingers.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it makes a difference with flexibility. Yeah, I could see it affecting your skin. I mean, I definitely have calluses from... Right, that's the only thing I would maybe consider wearing gloves if your fingertips and your fingers get calluses on it. And that affects. Flexibility without the gloves, I would think.

You would have more flexibility without the gloves. Also, more range of motion, more connectivity. Yeah, but again, I think that's also sputting hair, too. I think you're going to lose much by wearing gloves, either. I'll ask you this question, Justin, because you're the musician of the group. Depending on the instrument that you play, don't you develop calluses from playing like the guitar? Sure, oh, big time. Yeah, so I think it might be a detriment.

It's advantageous, too, right? Because otherwise, there's always a period you go through where you're playing for a while, and then it just digs into your skin. like sometimes I've gotten to the point two where I've even cut you know the tips of my fingers and then it would set me back you know for a while but yeah I like it just like anything else I think you know your skin adapts to what's to be sure. You ever seen like a violinist neck? You ever seen that?

They get like this thick patch of skin. Cause they're, you know, mostly like pinching that. Yeah, oh, interesting. Yeah, they get, I don't know, they actually a name for it. So I mean, I guess if, if the calluses that you get from weightlifting affect your playing

whatever instrument you're playing, then yeah, negatively, then you absolutely should wear gloves. And I think that's a smart strategy. If it doesn't affect you playing your instrument, then I think it's more beneficial to should wear gloves, and I think that's a smart strategy. If it doesn't affect you playing your instrument, then I think it's more beneficial to not wear gloves. Yeah, and I'm gonna argue this, like chalk, if your gym doesn't allow chalk,

join another gym, just kidding. If you can't use chalk in your gym, they have liquid chalk, which you can use. I feel way more connected to the weight when my skin is touching the barbell and the dumbbells versus wearing gloves. I tried gloves recently and I just don't feel as in control of the weight and the muscles I'm trying to isolate or feel that when I'm fully connected and I think it's similar for like any gear that you wear. Now sometimes gear is necessary like you can't go barefoot if you have

weak if you have poor ankle mobility in your feet or weak But if your feet are strong and you got great ankle mobility Like you're gonna feel more connected barefoot than you will where shoes when you do exercises for your lower body So I think it's similar with gloves and if you're just starting out and that and calluses don't matter to you You're like whatever if I get calluses I get calluses I would argue do it without gloves because I feel like if you do something for a long time with gloves It'll be hard to transition versus starting out without gloves and doing it the whole time that way. Next question is from Honey Cell.

Is low weight and high reps not as effective as high weight low reps? Yeah. Okay. First off, it depends. And let's start off by saying this. If we're talking about repetition ranges that are within reason, it doesn't make a huge difference. When I say within reason, I mean like if you're going like below 20 reps, you know, anything below 20 reps were okay.

Once you got to get to like 30, 40, 50, 60 reps, the problem, and there are studies that show like 50 reps will build muscle two so long as the intensity is really high. But here's the problem. Stamina and stability start to get in the way. So if I'm doing squats for 50 reps, what will fail first is not muscular strength, but rather my stamina and my endurance. And that might make it more challenging to build muscle

as a result, or your lung capacity starts to get in the way. Also, just the overall amount of work, I'm doing a set for five minutes because I'm doing so many repetitions. But if it's within reason, it doesn't make a huge difference, especially if you phase, like if you phase and you're doing... Well, that's the sweet sauce. That's it, that's the way to do it. You gotta phase between, you gotta do, a few weeks of higher repetitions

and a few weeks of lower repetitions and you'll get more consistent gains that way. Well, both have value and this kind of just falls back into a lot of what we always talk about in terms of like whatever you're not doing will provide your body a new stimulus that you're going to have muscle building effects provided to you with.

So that's just the thing. There's no like set rep range that's always going to be consistently building you muscle you have to consider that you got to go through periods of new stimulus to reignite that of response. Well, to that point, the reverse is actually even true on this based off of what you've been doing most frequently. So the question is set up as low weight and high reps, not as effective as high weight low reps.

And the reverse could be true if all you ever do is high weight low reps. If you always train low reps in high weight all the time and you never use lightweight high reps, it will actually be more effective to go lightweight high reps. So the variable that is most important here is what have you been doing the most consistent or what is the most novel to the body. So whatever it is that you haven't been doing, move into that. So, we get this kind of question all the time. It's just worded in different ways, you know? And it's all the same answer, which is the answer is that there's tremendous value, South says it all the time, from zero reps to about 25, and everything in between that all have tremendous value for

building muscle, burning body fat, sculpting the body, whatever you want to say. And the one that is going to be the best for that is the one that you're not doing. So, that's what you need to evaluate is what rep range do you neglect the most and move into that and you'll see the most value. And that is for building muscle, for burning body fat, for being stronger, all the above. Yeah, and now there's something that people often don't talk about, which are the mental benefits of training in these different rep ranges and weights.

It is a different mental state and feel to go do a set of four reps, then it is to go and do a set of 14 reps. It's very different. Like higher reps, you're squeezing more, you're getting better pump, you're stabilizing, you're feeling the muscles more. Four reps, it's like you are firing your whole CNS,

it's heavy, you're staying tight, you're driving, it's obviously a shorter set. It's a totally different feels. And I think there's a lot of value in training all those different feels. It's a different different feels. And I think there's a lot of value in training all those different feels. It's a different mentality to go. And this is why I prefer phasing, for three weeks at a time,

versus every other workout, I change from high reps to low reps. I like to stay in a low rep phase because I like to stay in that mental state. And then I like to go in a high rep phase and stay in that mental state, switching back and forth so often tends to throw me off a little bit

in terms of what I'm going after and what I'm trying to feel with the weight. So pay attention to that. It's a totally different feel and it's a different mental, you know, different mental preparedness that you need before you go into the sets. And it's a different way you control the weight and a different way that you lift the weight when you go heavy versus light. Next question is from Bag Double Zero MBA. Are mirrors an underrated piece of gym equipment?

Mirrors, you know what's funny? Is we think that mirrors are, I think a lot of people think mirrors are in the gym so you can look at yourself and check yourself out while you're working on it. Most people think that, I would assume. The reality is, a mirror is a very valuable piece of exercise equipment

because unless you have a trainer or a coach watching your form, you oftentimes feel like you're moving a particular way and you're not. Like I, all the time. Yes, like for me, for example, shoulder press is a big one because I had left my left shoulder, I had my AC joint resective years ago. So I always have to be careful to make

sure that my right and my left are balanced. And if I don't press in front of a mirror, inevitably, I have a slightly, it's just a little different between the right and left. And I can't tell, I can't tell when I'm not looking in the mirror. I can't feel it. I have to look in the mirror and then actively bring one shoulder down to match. So, and that's what mirrors are for. Watch your form critically. Make sure that you're symmetrical and things are moving the way they should and balance things out because oftentimes the way you feel doesn't necessarily accurate. Yeah, it's interesting.

It was definitely a shift when I didn't have a mirror when I'd squat because I was definitely dependent a lot on the mirror to be able to dictate those little nuances of, oh, when I drop down a little bit on one side versus the other or you just see visually some of these discrepancies as you're going down to the squat, I would slow away down and really watch myself and then taking that away, you did find, well, I found myself getting into the momentum of the squat a lot of times and having to check myself to, you know, to really pay attention and to really feel all of those different type of imbalances starting to form. So I do find

they're very valuable. It's kind of comical because- You're such an anti-life. I hate the mere at the same time because of the fact of all these people getting in front and just constantly doing the flex posing stuff. But it really does- I caught you one time. I mean, I do. I do it just like anybody else, dude.

I talk shit, but it's because I'm guilty of doing some of those things too if I get a good pomp or whatever. You still do it in front of everybody. Never. Yeah. Just in the bathroom. Yeah.

Just always in the bathroom. I, you know, I actually think this is almost a silly question. I think it's pretty obvious, but I think there's a stigma around the mirrors. Like I think that there's this, this idea, especially if you're a stereotype, right? Yeah, there's a total stereotype around using the mirror that it's this narcissistic body builder or woman's competitor that loves to look at themselves. Oh, I'm, and of course, that exists, but I don't think that was the actual evolution of the mirror in the gym.

I don't think it was, let's put mirrors in here for all the narcissistic people to stare at themselves. I think it's pretty obvious that, you know, if you don't have a trainer or you don't have a partner who is actually trained in biomechanics or can help you with your form, the mirror is the next best thing or now using like your phone to video yourself. And so that's the other thing too. Like, I know we're quick to judge somebody who pulls their phone out and is recording because it looks silly because of, you know, we're making to judge somebody who pulls their phone out and is recording because it looks silly

because of, you know, we're making fun of influencers and that. But I've used my phone many times to record myself, not because I want to make a cool video of myself, you know, or post it later on. It's because I'm watching my technique and I'm being hyper critical of my movement and even the mirror isn't enough feedback.

I get a little bit of feedback in front of me but I want to see behind me. I want to see the side of me and I want to watch it and critique it and then go back to the drawing board and adjust. And so I think mirrors have tremendous value and especially if you're someone relatively new. Now I think I can train today and in fact,

my garage has no mirrors. So when I train in my own garage, I don't have a mirror in my garage, and I'm completely fine. It's not- You'll work out, Stephen Count though. Yeah, that's right. They may not even count, you know.

So I don't think it's necessary for an advanced lifter to have to have a mirror, but man, I think they're, I think they're very valuable. It's just funny because once you get a recruitment pattern in your body, something that you do very often, it feels normal. So if one foot pronates, but that's how you always squat, when you get into position in squat, it's going to feel very balanced and normal because this is how your body moves.

So you're not going to notice unless you really, that's a big one for me. When I squat, if I look at myself right straight ahead, I watch my feet because that's where I notice the difference and I'm paying attention to closely. In fact, one time I worked out at a gym. I thought this was brilliant. I don't see this being a popular thing though, but I thought it was very smart. The mirror had lines, so it had like a few vertical lines that were straight and they were perfectly straight and then a few horizontal lines.

So that when you're lined up in the mirror, you have these kind of markers and you can see one shoulder is a little higher than the other in relation to the lines that were on the mirror. It was really, really cool. I don't see it being a popular thing because I think people rather look at a mirror without any distractions on it. No, it's a very valuable piece of equipment. I think if you have a home gym, you probably should put a mirror in there, at least where you do complex lifts in front of. Maybe not your isolation exercises, but if you're squatting and overhead pressing

and deadlifting and stuff like that. That'll record it. You're always gonna go to your default movement patterns to that point, and I don't think that a lot of people realize how far away that can get sometimes, if you haven't been critically analyzing yourself and going through the technique and the movement of it, it's very helpful to get feedback

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