Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1734: How to Tell If Your Workout Is Working, Adding 10-15 Pounds of Muscle in a Year, Ways to Get Your Child to Exercise & More

Episode Date: January 22, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: For long-term fat loss success, walking is better than running. (4:03) The various temperaments of children. How much is nature versus nurture? (15:22) How the universe may be pixelated. (25:05) Would you buy a house in the metaverse? (28:48) Are women not as competitive as men? (35:28) The remarkable results from using Joovv. (43:26) How people can take something out of context to attack you. (48:45) The downstream effects of these mandates. (56:13) Volcanos are scary! (57:40) How Sal is using Organifi’s protein power on his latest bulk. (59:38) #ListenerLive question #1 – What would be a checklist to optimize muscle growth over 1 to 2 years, to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle? (1:06:49) #ListenerLive question #2 – How can I train to specifically fix an imbalance in my lower body from a previous injury? (1:24:03) #ListenerLive question #3 – What are some ways to get your child to exercise? (1:33:11) #ListenerLive question #4 – How can I tell if my workout is working for me? (1:43:07) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] January Promotion (#1): NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTIONS SPECIAL BUNDLE OFFERS January Promotion (#2): MAPS Anabolic 50% off **Code “JANUARY50” at checkout** What is NEAT and Why Should You Care About it? - Mind Pump Blog The Best Cardio For Continued Fat Loss – Mind Pump Blog Scientists Say the Universe Itself May Be “Pixelated” Watch Rick and Morty on Adult Swim Sotheby’s Selling First Real Home in the Metaverse Using NFT Tech Study casts doubt on theory that women aren't as competitive as men Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Red Light Therapy for Skin Health | Joovv Billionaire investor Chamath Palihapitiya says ‘nobody cares’ about Uyghur genocide in China All-In Podcast E63: Insurrection indictments, human rights in the US and abroad, groundbreaking MS study and more Canadian truckers block highway at US border to protest Covid vaccine mandates How the volcanic eruption near Tonga unfolded and the aftermath — in images Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Gourmet Cookies - Twisted Sugar Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Pros and Cons of Creatine – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1345: 6 Ways To Optimize Sleep For Faster Muscle Gain And Fat Loss How To Correct An Imbalance Between The Right & Left Side Of The Body – Mind Pump Podcast The BEST Single Leg Exercise You Are Not Doing! (TWO VARIATIONS) - Mind Pump TV MAPS Fitness Prime Pro MAPS Suspension Training SUSPENSION TRAINER – Mind PUMP STORE How To Do The Sled Push The RIGHT Way! (AVOID MISTAKES!) - Mind Pump TV MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee) on Instagram Mike Mutzel, MS (@metabolic_mike)  Instagram Chamath Palihapitiya (@chamath)  Twitter Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson)  Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Mike Boyle (website)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? Today's episode, these are the favorite episodes where we talk to people live on air. So they actually call in, ask us fitness and health questions, then we get to coach them right here on the show. By the way, if you ever

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I like that a lot. People's heads just spun right now when I said that. Well, you know, Cardio, people, I like that because it's also, it's the opposite of what I thought and said to clients for the first probably five plus years of being trained. Ten years for me. Yeah, maybe ten. Maybe ten.

It's gonna be nice to myself. Maybe I was thinking five to eight. But really it might have been 10. And I've shared on the podcast that clients would fill out that form, the park queue, and one of the questions in there was always, what do you do for a form of extra hours right now? And at least one at every three people would say, oh, well, my husband and I, we walk every day. I would. I would. I would.

I would break in a sweat. I would totally say that they, oh, it's a minimal amount of calories. We're burning and that's insignificant to what we need to do if we want to lose 20 pounds. And we totally like should all over the walk. You know, the irony in that is fast forward, you know, 20 years or 15 years later from that,

me coaching somebody now, and they come in and they say, Adam, I'm not doing anything really, and I want to lose all this weight, and I want this, that, that, I'm willing to come in seven days a week, the stuff that I tell them now is like, okay, all I want you to do is start with walking. So it's like the exact opposite of how I thought, you know, 20 years ago. Yeah, so let's be clear, first let's put aside the exact opposite of how I thought, you know, 20 years ago. So let's be clear. First, let's put aside the performance effects of exercise.

Obviously, if you're looking for stamina and endurance, athletic performance running is going to be better. So let's put that aside for a second. What are the, one of the, I guess, pluses or advantages of running over walking is it burns more calories per time being spent. This is totally true.

So if you do 30 minutes walking versus 30 minutes of running, you will burn more calories per time being spent. This is totally true. So if you do 30 minutes of walking versus 30 minutes of running, you will burn more calories running, okay? But that's where the pros end. Here are the negatives. Most people don't know how to run. And I don't mean most people can't run. I mean, most people don't run properly. It's a skill and most people stop running

right around the age of 12 or at the latest, maybe when they stop playing college sports. And so they decide they, you know, lace up my running shoes. I'm going to go start going running now. It's been, you know, 10, 15, 20 years since I ran and their form and technique is off. They have muscle imbalances and in just issues with their technique and form and add to that people run, not to learn how to run or to run well, but rather they run to fatigue when they decide to go running. So one of the worst things you could do for your form of technique,

if it's already bad, is to do it to fatigue. And it's no wonder why running is the number one form of activity in relationship to injuries. It's the most, you will produce the most injuries with running versus other forms of food. In your own flat food, you have bad form. This is going to impact your joints way more than people realize. Yes. own flat foot, you have bad form. Like, this is gonna impact your joints way more than people realize.

Yes. And it's just like that repetitive stress. It really adds up, especially if over time, you know, you gotta consider like arthritis and things that are gonna come as a result of that. Yeah, now in contrast, most people have not forgotten how to walk. Most people still walk every single day.

We haven't become wally yet, so maybe 20 years from now, it'll be different. But people still walk. So if someone goes to walk for activity, we're not so worried about form technique, you know, balance, muscle and balances. You can walk because you walk all the time. So there's that right there. Here's the second con of running. You typically need to change your workout clothes or put on some workout clothes. You're going to sweat. It's not something you could just do in the middle of the day and then go to a meeting because it's not as convenient.

Walking is extremely convenient. I can do it any time of the day. Don't need to change my clothes. I go out, I go for a walk, I come back. Super easy. So it's far easier to inject into your everyday life and this plays a huge role in long-term consistency. This is by far the biggest, I would say the most impactful factor

with consistency is how easy can I inject this into my everyday life? And it's easy to do a 10 to 15 minute walk after breakfast lunch in dinner, which come out to 30 to 45 minutes of extra activity. Not as easy to go do a 15 minute run after breakfast, lunch, and dinner, especially if you're at work or you got other applications. It's very much so, what are the ASOPs, Fables,

that's a tortoise in the hair, is that where it came from? I did, right? So it's very much so that, right? Like the rabbit comes out and gets way ahead of the turtle, but one's up happening, the turtle wins the race, to ruin the burns and stuff out. Right, and so I just think that that applies to real life Many times and that it's not just with card in exercise

I think a lot of times we we we ride off that the motivation and the the energy and the hype and we make our Short-term decision based off of that current state that we're in and you know theoretically Yeah, I'm gonna run three or four days a week or every day, and that's gonna give me to my goal, and maybe the first couple of weeks you stick to it, but then life hits you, and then the sustainability of that is just, aside from all the points you bring up to, which is the injuries and how inconvenient it is,

but it's just, it's not sustainable for the average person. And I know, by the way, every time we do something like this, where we talk about running, we always piss off a fraction of the audience. And the fraction of the audience that we always piss off are the people that love to run. I'm not speaking to you. So I just wanna make that clear

that if you enjoy running and it's therapeutic for you and you're a good runner with good mechanics and you're not suffering from chronic pain and it's meditative for you and you're a good runner with good mechanics and you don't you're not suffering from chronic pain and it's meditative for you and you've been consistently I ain't talking to you. Keep doing it. I'm all if I got a client, if you hired me and you said that to me, I would not say stop running. I wouldn't work with what you got. Yeah, I wouldn't tell a client that. But if I have a client who comes in who is not doing anything for exercise and they want to lose weight, I am not going to suggest that to that person. That is not a, I don't think it is a smart strategy for over 90% of the population. No, it's not a long-term

strategy. It requires a lot of effort, work, and coaching to get good at running if you're not somebody that's been running since you were a child, which is essentially what's required to maintain the skill. Now to be clear, humans did evolve to run and were amazing runners when done properly, but we lose that skill and nobody treats it like a skill. I know very little, very few people, we also evolved to throw a spear. Exactly. How many fucking people could throw a spear? Exactly.

I know a very few people who decide I'm going to go running and then say, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to really practice running. I'm going to hire a coach. I'm going to learn how to run properly. I'm going to look at my biomechan. Nobody does that. They say, I'm going to start running to work out. Lace up their shoes and they go run until they're tired. And the entire time, especially as fatigue sets in, technique and form is absolutely terrible. I remember when this first really hit me, I was going hiking and I saw runner after runner pass me up and you know, I'm a trainer so it's hard for me not to notice by mechanics.

And as people pass by, like, oh my god, pronation. Oh, really bad supination. Anterior pelvic tilt. Oh my god, as shoulders are forward. Oh, I could see all these injuries. And then there was the rare runner who ran by me that looked like a gazelle. They looked like they were running perfectly and it looked flawless and painless. And it dawned on me.

That's a skill, just like any other skill. And unless you're going to treat it like a skill, which by the way, there's a long learning curve. If you haven't run consistently well for years, it's going gonna take you a good year of practice, of skill acquisition, of correcting muscle imbalances and mobility work and all that stuff to be able to do it. Walking doesn't have that lower burden. You're average person can't even sit with good posture. Yes, totally.

It's what are we talking about? You know, now we gotta like get out there and run and do something like super strenuous like that when I can't even hold myself in good posture. So you just have to consider what the very average person, your everyday average person really looks like in their daily habits and rituals. And so that's why we're speaking more in that direction. Yeah. And the problem is when people make the comparison, they're not using a realistic real

world context. So when they do the comparison, they say, running for 30 minutes builds this much VO2 max, burns this money calories, walking for 30 minutes does this, and burns this many fewer calories, therefore running is better. But when you look at real world context, injury, risk, how long it takes to build the skill of what you're trying to do, how easy it is to inject into JV life, how long people tend to stay consistent, doing each activity, when you all add all of that up, which is the real world, because other stuff doesn't matter, what actually happens in the real world, walking the superior. When I got clients to walk instead of encouraging people to run, which is what I did early on, people got way better results because they didn't hurt themselves,

they were consistent, and it was easy, it's easy. So you can build on. So we could pause the podcast right now, I could go for 15 minute walk, come back, and I'm okay, if I go for a 15 minute run, and I come back, I got a lot, I'm sweating, maybe breathe, it's not appropriate to do throughout the day for most people.

To me, that's the best argument is that, is the consistency piece. Yeah. The, you know, scaring somebody about injuries, and there's gonna be always a percentage of people To me, that's the best argument is that is the consistency piece. Yeah. The, you know, scaring somebody about injuries, and there's going to be always a percentage of people that's like, oh, I don't have any pain when I run. I feel just fine or a walled, but I'll just go do the elliptical or stereMaster, and that doesn't bother me.

But the idea of selling somebody on building walks into their lifestyle, I think, is just more realistic to maintain that long term. And to your point Justin It's very easy to kind of scale up. I would always start off with this Hey, go for a 30 minute walk with you and your spouse after dinner every night is a great and what ends up happening is They start to do something and they they like that. It's like oh this becomes a part of my routine now to Sal's point I don't got to change my clothes I want to do something a little more intense. Yeah, maybe on the weekends, and I still have to extend those walks

to two hour hikes where we go somewhere and somewhere beautiful and get more calories burned. But it's really just, it's changing the lifestyle, and I think that was in the behaviors around that. So I think that's the thing. And when you add all that up, you get a greater real world fat loss effect from walking and better health effect From walking

You're still of course with running you're gonna build more endurance more stamina more athletic performance Which is fine if that's what you're looking for But most people are like look I just want to be fit and healthy I definitely want to have improved fitness and performance But I'm not looking to go too crazy. I want to be lean. I want to have good health. I don't want to have any pain. And when you look at it and that through that lens, walking is just so so amazing. And also, by the way, when you look at the longest living people in the world, what they all have in common, there's a few things that they haven't come, but one of them is just

daily activity. It's not even daily hardcore activity. It's just daily activity. It's the 90-year-old fisherman in Sardinia that goes out on his boat and fishes and walks up the hill to get the berries. The farmer that works their land, you know? Yes, it's that kind of stuff. So this is what you need to consider, and it's important to consider all of this when you're looking to improve your fitness.

Look at your goals and say, what's realistic, what's actually gonna stick? Because you might burn 25% less calories walking, but if you walk consistently every single day versus a spotty record with running, it's gonna be more effective. And that's just the bottom line. Anyway, so I wanna ask you Adam, I know your son's about a year older than mine or so. Are you seeing, because you always tell me how like he's the easiest

kid in the world. Are you seeing any signs of the terrible two? So actually the funny you bring that up, because you didn't know this, I didn't say anything to you. Yes, her day, he's, he's so yet to flew right the last like four or five days poor Katrina when we were off in Utah. She gets stuck with him being sick And he was, this is probably the one of the sickest, right? He was grabbing his tummy and, oh, help me. He just, yeah, help me. He's one of the things he says right now. Which just breaks, yeah, that, yeah, it's one of the first pair,

which is so cute, because you'll hear him last night, I was putting him down and, you know, he got up after I walked out and I told you guys, we have the kind of door, look at that. And he hears the door and he hear, well, help me. Help me. It's like, it's so dirty. I'm like, yeah.

But anyways, Katrina said that she goes, you missed the craziest breakdown I've ever seen Max have. And it was going to the doctor. She goes, as soon as we got out of the, she goes, he threw a fit. She goes, he did not want to be in there like so Obviously, he's now reached an age where he's probably and what I assume is sitting with shots Yes, that's what I think he's he's got to buy him something afterwards

So so it worked on me, but she said it was she goes She walked in and and Dr. Trigger is our pediatrician and she goes Dr. Trigger I don't is this what this what everybody talks about? Tantrums and stuff because we've experienced nothing like this, what he's acting like. And he's like, yeah, no, just feel blessed that you don't deal with this a lot more. And she goes, yeah, I've never seen him like this.

So that was the only thing that she, and I haven't seen it yet. So I haven't seen it. I've told you guys before, I don't know if I've shared on the podcast, his tantrum thing that he does, it's the funniest thing in the world, which I know most parents are going like, fuck you. It's not funny when my kid throws a tantrum. But when Max does it, he, like, if I, he doesn't get his way, like, oh, we have to put this away right now, or we're going to do this, or no, we're not going to do that right now. If I tell him, and he's

upset, would you typically throw a dendom? He lays down on the ground and he puts his face down and he taps his fingers on the ground and he does this like slow kicking, he goes, and he's faking it and it's not loud. He's making you feel better. Oh my God, it's, I'm more effective. Oh, it's so hilarious. I think your son's a closer.

Yeah, he probably is, but. Fix that for his parents. Yeah, I know he's been, he's been, you know, we were all together right and we were talking to he's been, you know, we were all together, right, and we were talking to Brooks Husband about, you know, raising a kid and we're all sharing stories and they've had a really hard time, right? The kids had a lot of stuff that they've had to deal with. And I always feel bad in those conversations on,

do I just keep my mouth shut and don't contribute and not be the one parent, right? You don't want to be the, nobody likes the guy who's just like, oh, my kid's so perfect. Really? He's saying, no problem. Yeah, so I just kind of keep my mouth shut in a situation like that,

because I don't want to be that asshole, but the truth is, you know. The kids are so different. Yeah, I have my two older kids, my oldest, really didn't throw tantrums. I mean, you know, here and there, but not often at all. My daughter, she would throw tantrums,

I swore to God if you could hook her up to cables, you would power a city. That's how much energy output she would have with her tantrums. And my younger daughter was wearing more explosive if it was gonna happen. Very few times, but when he did, you knew everybody knew that he was upset.

They're just big feelings, right? Yeah, I think a big emotional guy. You guys are both way ahead of me in this area, right? So how much of that, and you dug, including because you've been there too, how much do you guys contribute to nature versus nurture in that situation? Like how much is ever it being that way, Justin,

because it's in his DNA, he's more like his dad where he has blows his top when he gets upset. And how much is that, you know, maybe that kid. He's more like his dad where he has blows his top when he gets him set. And how much is that, maybe that kid? I think it's a lot of nature because they all raise in the same house, very similar, very different. Courtney and I are very chill about a lot of how we handle a lot of the situations, try not to stoke it or make a big deal.

We really try not to make a big deal out of these outbursts, so it's not like I'm fueling it. And that's why it doesn't happen all the time, but yeah, I definitely think it's partially part of my DNA in there because I would have explosive reactions when I was a kid, because I suffered through a lot of anger issues and things, and it's like a bummer, because it's like, where is that? What am I contributing that's causing the anger in him? I don't know that I have. I really can't really.

Yeah, well, pin it down. I have three siblings, and we were all pretty different with that. My brother was the one that, if he threw it to Antrim, it was over. But as an adult, and as a teenager, it totally switched, he was like the happiest, and he's like that now as a grown man. He's always smiling, always happy, always in a good mood. I never, I was an temper tantrum type of person. My other sister was, very much.

My other sister wasn't with my kids. The older one's very different. Arraileus is interesting. He's only, you know, he's what, he's 15 months almost now. And we're seeing little hints of it, like he'll get really mad. And if he's not getting what he wants or he's not getting his attention,

he'll take whatever is in front of him so if it's food or whatever and he'll throw it and just to get your attention, or he'll look right at you when he does it. He'll look at me, hold it and fling it. I'm gonna look, defiance. Here we go buddy. Or if I'm like playing with him and he wants to go down and I'm still kissing him and

I want to put him down yet, he'll grab my face and he does this like where he squeezes real hard. You know, does this thing? And I'll be like, oh, and then you'll feel bad. Even though you guys, like the kids grew up in the same house, I always wondered though, and I'm like, and how aware are we of like these little subtle moments? I'm giving examples and that just happened like three days ago or whatever And and I think these occasions have been so rare for Katrina and I that it's so obvious to us when they happen So Katrina I like we'd never fight in front of them

That's what that's never going down. Well her and I don't really fight anyways But even like even the way the tone and the stuff we talk like if there's any sort of I told you guys that one time Where there was kind of this like business kind of heated conversation we had, we weren't yelling, we weren't arguing, but the energy was, you know, me going, no, and like talking that way, it was enough to throw him off. So she just had another situation like this where she was talking to her brother on the phone

and she got really, she got really mad at him. She was actually stepped out of the room and she was like yelling and they were getting back and forth. And she said it was very short live because she heard Max start crying in the other room. And so she cut the phone. So what I'm saying is that, you know, do you guys have the, can you remember or did you have the awareness of, you know, maybe when one kid was going to that, it was a tough time for your parents, like financially or they were maybe arguing, like maybe they were vocalizing it so much, but it was, they were going

through something. Right. Or definitely, there's definitely a, there's always a nurture component, but if the best studies to look at with that are twin studies, because twin studies, you have identical genetics, and they're going through the same time. Yeah, very similar. And so twin studies can tell you quite a bit. And twin studies show that there's definitely

a strong genetic component to temperament. Now, nurture plays a role, of course, but there's clearly a genetic component. The argument is which one is more impactful. I think if the nurture is extreme, that's more impactful. For example, you could have great genetics for temperament, but then be brought up in an abusive household.

Now the nurture really, or never receive love. Or never receive love, right? Now that makes a bigger role. So I don't think you can't give a clear, you just know that they both influence. And then when you have multiple kids, it's really interesting to see the differences between them.

What one is interested in, what the other one is interested in, how they are. Like my older ones are very different when it comes to, my daughter's hyper competitive, super ambitious, super ambitious, hyper competitive. My oldest, not so much, but things tend to come easy to him. So he does well because he's a smart kid, but he's not like my daughter, where my daughter's like,

I have to be number one. And if I'm not number one, I'm the loser. And she's like, she'll be upset if she gets one wrong on a test. So I'm like, I have to be number one. And if I'm not number one, I'm the loser. And she's like, she'll be upset if she gets one wrong on a test. So I'm like, I talked to them very differently. Like, I kick my boy in the butt and I pull her back because she's such. And that's definitely, that's gotta be

something genetic, 100%. It's just so different. Right. No, we know that it's both, right? I just always wonder like how much of that. And I think a lot of times people sometimes just automatically, oh, that's just how they were born, but they're just not even aware of the energy

that you as mom and dad had at that time. You always got to consider that. And I think when I see these little moments like that, that's so subtle. It's not Katrina and I are happy, good, but just the fact that she was on a phone call where she was angry, so it makes me go like, man, well, maybe the mom and dad don't fight a lot,

but maybe the mom or the dad is very high energy and has a lot of Hard conversations or maybe she had a stressful pregnancy right right or just or maybe the the mom or the dad is battling Something internally and I just I've said this since the very beginning with Max is that you know I really believe especially those early years when the kids can't really communicate or articulate their feelings, they're hypersensitive when it comes to energy around the room, just can feel that. And so maybe even if they're not vocalizing

or not giving the kid love, it's not like an extreme nature thing, but it's enough that there's something going on, internally in the household, whether it be an individual or a combine, that's actually bleeding into how the behavior of the kids. You know, I guess it's all how we were programmed, huh? Because this is a simulation anyway.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what's next about that? Is that if we were in fact programmed, we would think that we weren't. We would think that we have free will. That's why it's so mind-beating. I hate that game. Well, did you see that article about the

universe potentially like being pixelated? Yes. Okay, so I did. It was really hard for me to understand where they're coming from. Okay, so if you look at a computer image or game and you shrink it down enough, you notice there's pixels, right? Yeah. There's pixels and they're all the same size. Right. And those pixels ultimately make up a picture, which makes up or right? Yeah. There's pixels, and they're all the same size. Right. And those pixels ultimately make up a picture, which makes up, or whatever. Right. There's evidence that the universe is also this way.

At a just much smaller level. There's something called plank length. I think it's called Doug, maybe you can look this up. This is the smallest unit of measurement, and everything is made up of this particular plank length, and nothing is made up of anything smaller than this. So when you add that to things like cosmic rays that seem to travel on a lattice, so they also seem to travel on this kind of pre-programmed set thing, and then there's rules in the

universe like speeds of light. Well, they're trying to like talk about gravity too, being like completely different, like the further out you go in space. It literally sounds like a computer game. It really does. It's almost like, Tron nailed it. So within the metaverse is the computer within the computer type of deal, is that what? Well, think about this.

Or are we re-reviewing our reverse engineering yet? Or maybe we're creating another one, we don't even realize it. See, this is this plank length is believed by physicists to be the shortest possible length in the universe. So it's like, these are like cosmic rules that are very similar to when you program a computer or a game. The one for me that always trips me out

is the whole observer effect when it comes to particles. And it makes me think of like a video game when you're playing a game and you're walking through a level. Yeah, just slowly reveals itself to you. Yes, but if you're not in that level. It wasn't there. It's in the whole game. Otherwise. Yes, it's so mind-bending.

But if you think, okay, so here's what's really trippy, right? If we follow our trajectory, at some point, humans will create realities that are, for all intents and purposes, you won't be able to perceive the difference from that reality to this reality. We'll create realities that are essentially identical to this one. And the goal is, or will be, to create sentient artificial life, or life that believes that has its own consciousness, that has its own beliefs, that has its own beliefs, have its own free will, not kind of stuff.

So if that's our direction, which it seems to be, and if life, if the universe is as old as they say it is, then life has existed on earth, and if intelligent life's goal is to do what we do, then they've already done it. So we may be in like the 10th level or why are we all wired to try and create something that has its own Intelligence. I don't know dude. It's just this weird thoughts like why were we so focused on Making that a reality. Have you ever watched you guys are watch the I love this freaking animated show because it's for adults and It's the physics in it and the science in it's actually kind of weird and accurate. You guys are watch Rick and Morty?

I've watched a few. Oh my God, I love it. So this is one episode where they go to this arcade and this weird planet in his universe and there's a video game called Life I think it's called and he plugs into it and he literally he's born and then he goes to school and he's getting bullied and then he needs the love of his life and then he has children and then he gets cancer but then he like goes to school and he's getting bullied and then he like he needs the love of his life and then he has children and then he gets cancer but then he beats it and then it's wife dies

and then he sees his grandkids and then he's on his deathbed and he's like looking at his kids grandkids and his great-grandkids is like, this has been a really great life and then he wakes up and the game's over and he's like, what the fuck man? That's not real? He goes, no, you've been playing for like two minutes.

He's like, what the fuck this is? And he's tripping up. I was cracking up. Did you guys see the article, Jackie Sinovern article about some, I think it's called SOTH, EBAY or some of that? It's South of Be. South of Be.

You know it's South of Be? No. They do, don't they do auctions for really expensive items? Yeah, I've never even heard of it. Like super, super, super exclusive shit. Oh, I've never even heard of them before. Really? Oh yeah, no, you know what they were too dumb?

Yeah. You too, Justin? Yeah, oh, I'm just fucking me, huh? Well thanks for pointing that out for me. You're the money guy too, what the hell? Yeah, no, I never, so okay, they do, they auction like, that's all I know about them,

is that if you have something, I think they also do high end real estate. Yeah, I can saw, okay, they do, they auction like, that's all I know about them, is that if you have, I think they also do high end real estate. Yeah, I can look it up. I think it's like super exclusive. Oh, I had no, I, yeah, give me a rough idea of what this company does. That was the first time I ever heard of this company. So they just sold their first house

that will be on blockchain, right, through Ethereum. And it will also have a mirrored metaverse house. Oh gosh. Wow. Wow. And I mean, this is gonna be interesting, right? If like the future of when you buy real estate, you also give it to me.

It's the largest, most trusted, 1744 for art and luxury. Oh dude, this is, so Setha B's life, this is where the lizard people sell their shit. And by the shit, you know, yeah. That's life, this is where the lizard people sell their shit. And by their shit, you know, that's how established it is. Let's say you had like an original, you know, Da Vinci or something. I don't like that. I had no idea about this company.

Really? Yeah, I feel like I've been living under a rock to not know that. So, the dimensions, everything will be exactly the same. And so, you will get this. It's a one's real. Oh yeah. You know, so the article is talking about how, you know, when these, because here's the thing

that I have a hard time understanding is, you know, if you buy these things in the metaverse, what happens if, because it's infinite how big it is? And, you know, what if you have to be people want to go to? Yeah, you have to buy or otherwise, you're somewhere up in bum fuck Egypt and nobody gives a shit. Nobody wants to come to your side of the...

I think that's a real place, by the way. It is, yeah, I think it is. I know Tim Buck 2 is. Tim Buck 2 for sure. Maybe Doug, look up bum fuck. Don't click on images. Yeah, see if I can find that. So, what that is.

But okay, now, maybe though the natural progression is what we'll see is, for example, Snoop Dogg has a house in the metaverse right now. Yeah, you wanna go to Snoop Dogg's metaverse house? You wanna party, yeah. Well, and somebody, so because he bought that and is established where he is, somebody has already paid $450,000

for the real estate right next to him. Of course. So I do get, like, so I get if somebody is that is famous and has a, you know, a cult of people that follow them and they buy in there that that's, I mean, it's kind of like how how Starbucks buys real estate and real life, right? They don't, a lot of times they don't even go in

and do a lot of work. They just go to a weed shop. McDonald's is there. They know McDonald's has done all the work. They have enough draw and people that, okay, we go there. We're successful. So, all right, let me ask you this question, right? So, who's your favorite?

Who's a celebrity or athlete that you like really want to meet? Is there one for you? I'm not really liked that, but I'm a big Dennis Rodman fan. So let's just, you seem sure for your example. Okay, so let's say, okay, so let's say Charles Barkley or Dennis Rodman have a house in the metaverse, identical to theirs. And you could pay a thousand dollar ticket to visit his house in the metaverse

and you know that his avatar will be there and he's there controlling it. So you actually get to meet him through the computer. Right. I would do that, right? A lot of people would. I could see a lot of people doing it. Yeah, no, if you know that, again, if I knew that Dennis Rodman's house is right there

and I could buy the house right next door for it. It's a real place. It's not really a place. No, it's an expression that means the middle of nowhere and it comes from the military. Oh, okay. So it's not real, but Tim Buck II is. Yeah.

And it's literally spelled T-I-M-B-U. I thought it's B-O-O-K, Tim, like, turn up. It's like a T-I-M-B-U-K. No, B-U-T-U or something like that. Look it up, that's a real place. Tim Buck 2. But it's like an African city or town, right? Yes, I actually thought.

I actually thought. I actually thought. Yeah, Tim Buck 2, you have to say it like that, too. Yeah, got it. Tim was like, Titty Kaka, that's a fun one to say. Yeah, I was listening to Gary Veeke. Because obviously Gary Veeke's... That's what you said will blow out.

Yeah. Oh, got all the way up there, huh? Yeah, Gary Veeke's like a huge NFT guy. And he's like, he's one of the people that are kind of pushing this movement. But even him, like I overheard him saying that, you know, believes that, you know, 90% of these will end up being nothing.

They won't go. Isn't he just making chicken scratch and making those into NFTs? Because he made them though, they'll have some value at some. Right, well, I think he understands and I do agree with this, if you already have a network of people,

that's the hard part. Building a network of a million people that give a fuck about what you're doing, right? That's a big deal, that's the hard part, building a network of a million people that give a fuck about what you're doing, right? That's a big deal. That's the one where you have weight. Right. And so you selling something that gives virtual access to you is definitely got value to that. To your point, you were just bringing up. I could be right next to Snoop Dogg's virtual house if I knew he was operating an avatar that was in there. Right. But I'm not buying a house next to Steve who just loves to buy and invest in NFTs in the metaverse. And I don't know anything about him.

And I don't care about buying a house next to him. You be rubbing elbows with other successful people in that metaverse, you know, so you're walking around with your avatar and you're like, oh shit, there's so and so. So that's the concept of this, which is kind of interesting, right? It'd be kind of cool if I had a virtual version of my current house right now. and I could host these virtual parties. Everybody puts their Oculus goggles

on and stuff, and then you're now hanging out in what looks exactly like my house in the real world. And, you know, if you spill on my carpet, it's not a big deal, right? So it's, so there's some cool parts of it like that. Everything's there. And you guys, I mean, you guys have now experienced, I brought the Oculus up to Utah, so you guys have been playing it a little bit more so I mean, how real it is. How weird, right? Super weird. And so a weird thought that like, what if, you know, there's like these houses you kind

of go in, you're checking out, and like, one of them was like an MLM party, you know, like they made it into the entrance. They trapped you. Like, no, it's made it here too. By the way, if you ever get a message on Facebook from an old friend in high school, nine out of 10, 10 to two. How do you luch?

I'm just thinking about you the other day. Adam, remember me, John? You were makeup, right? Yeah. We should grab some lunch sometime. You're into organic stuff, right? Oh, no, no the Goji Berry? It's crazy. It's miraculous. With the stuff that it does. Anyway, I read an interesting article and study

on competitiveness and the difference between competitiveness and men and women. So there's a difference in it. It's very interesting. So in the article, they were talking about the income gap. And then they talked about in the article how when you control for all the other factors, the income gap shrinks considerably.

And so then it's not this whole like 77 cents to the dollar. It's more like 98 cents to the dollar. But still there's a two cent difference between men and women when we control for all these factors. And the theories are men and women are competitive differently and men seek out money whereas women want other things you know with or consider other things more important to do i feel like i need to get you to because you would you just said something that is going to trigger a bunch of people that there's a point that

there's i know that there's a two-cent difference and you need to you need to explain how you came up with that and not what everybody else tries to say right no so when you look at all of this and you so there's a gender pay gap and in 2021, they say that women will earn 82 cents for every dollar earned by men, but it doesn't account for certain characteristics such as an employee's age, experience, level of education, whether or not they stop employment to do something else and then come back like those kinds of things. Like have a baby, whatever, right? So that's a common one, right? So when they factor all that stuff in,

then you find that it goes from 82 to 98 cents. So actually the pay gap almost all but disappears, but there's still a 2% difference. And so like what's going on here? And so they did the study on competitiveness between men and women to see what the difference was. And there was this game that they played where you, you could make a bet and if you won,

if you won, then you could keep all the earnings. Or there was another game where if you won, then you get to share the earnings with the people who lost. Okay. When people were given the option to, when the winner takes all, 51% of men chose that, whereas 35% of women chose that.

So only 35% of women wanted to compete if it was winner take all, whereas 51% of men wanted to take the two games. Well, what was the risk factor in both those cases? Same because I do know that there's also those studies that show that men are way more likely to take risk. Yes. Well, this is the same competition. Now, when they were given the option to share their winnings, the amount of women,

the percentage of women willing to compete went from 35 to 60%. For men, it was 52%. So it was almost equal. 50, 50 for men, if I can share it, or if I take all with women, it was 52%. So it was almost equal. 50, 50 for men, if I could share it or if I take all with women It was 35 versus 60% so they said, why is that? Like why was it that the women were so much more likely to compete When they were able to share the winnings versus when it was winner take all and here's the theory that I guess one

I'm on my own. I'm not sure they're not yours. Well, well, but it was the it was not that. No, it was not that they wanted to help and take care of. Oh, interesting. It was female participants may be more inclined to smooth over bad feelings with losers of the competition. So they're more like- They don't give a fuck. Yes. We would rub it in more.

Again, that is empathy based because they're trying to make everybody feel good. Well, and if you go back from, you know, again, evolutionarily speaking, women were the society builders. So, when this is how the theory goes, this is the most accepted one. Men were off hunting, and there isn't much, we're not going to sit, the men didn't talk and discuss who's doing what? It was like, you fall in line and you go, right? And you see this in lots of different- Hunt kill, protect, very basic. Yeah, and very basic.

And you see this with boys. If there's a hierarchy with boys and they grew up together, it stays pretty stable. The leader boy in fourth grade, tends to still be the same kid in tenth grade. Whereas with girls, it's very flexible and malleable and people move around and that kind of stuff. And the theory is that they built the societies,

they were behind, they were with the kids, they were developing the religions, the spiritual practices, they were working together, whereas the men were out, doing certain things, not talking as much, and because it became, that's what made a successful hunters versus successful in building the societies. So that makes sense when you consider that. If you win and your evolutionarily speaking concerned

about building society, then you're like, I'll win but I wanna be able to share with these losers to make sure that everybody's kinda cool. Whereas the more men are more likely to be like, if I win it's mine and you don't get it, you know, type of deal. Yeah. Now the difference wasn't massive, it's 35 to 50%. So it's a significant but not huge,

but still significant enough to show that there's a difference. I thought that was so fascinating. Yeah, do you have any theories on like some unintended consequences from the narrative being pushed differently or us becoming more like the, and just in the last, I mean, we could compare to our parents generation. How much more it was, you know,

the man worked, the wife stayed at home, took care of the family, the kids, and the house. It's become way more, you know, even as far as how often you see that in a household, right? There's many times where the woman has now become the provider or the house is 50, 50, equal responsibilities and stuff. And that's been, we've been pushing that way for the last maybe 50 years.

And for a lot of good reasons, I think there's a lot of positive reasons, but do you see any unintending and stuff, and that's been, we've been pushing that way for the last maybe 50 years. And for a lot of good reasons, I think there's a lot of positive reasons, but do you see any unintended consequences from something like that? Or are we seeing things already coming from that? You know, not so much from that. If you look at the data, first off, women still do a majority of the housework, even if they work. So if a husband and wife work, the wife still does the majority of the housework.

However, the man tends to value earning potential higher, whereas the wife tends to value earning potential, but also do I have time to be with my family and handle other things. So there seems to be a balance. The issue becomes, here's when you see the big challenge is when there's a lack of one or the other. So if there's no, none of that traditional male involvement or none of the traditional female involvement, then you start to see some dysfunction. What's more evident right now is the dysfunction of a lacking male in the home, mainly because

nine at a 10 times, if one of the, you know, if the man, or if it's about 90% more likely that the man is gonna abandon the family than the woman. So single parents tend to almost always be moms. And so the best thing we can do is look at that and see, okay, what are some of the challenges, what happens with the outcomes with the children, what does that look like?

And it's clear you could start to see some challenges with that. On the flip side, there's also imbalances and dysfunction. So you need both to balance out and it's really interesting, right? Men and women are, by the way, we're way more similar than we are different, but in the ways that we tend to be different, they're, it's almost like we evolve to complement each other, and they're both kind of necessary, you know?

So, and I've heard people argue that this whole, cause something like 40 to 50% of kids today are raised without a father. It's like a huge number, it's really, really big. And there's people who have argued and said, you know, that this, the result, you know, this whole trophy, no matter what happens, right? So whether you win, lose, whatever you get a trophy,

let people say, oh, that's because there's a lot of lot of dads in the mix. So it's a lot of moms running it and they don't want anybody have hurt feelings type of deal. So there's a little bit of dysfunction there because as we know, life doesn't give everybody a trophy type of deal. But on the flip side, I mean, I could I could just speculate on what the dysfunction would be if it was just men raising a bunch of kids. I think it'd be like, Lord of the flies. Yeah, so passion. Yeah. So there's got to be that middle ground.

Oh yeah, so it's both considered. Totally, so it's cool about studies like this. I hate when people position it like better, better, and this is worse, and that's superior. It's not, it's all together. It's all complimentary. One without the other sucks, regardless of which, you know, which direction you go.

So, you have to take on both roles, though. You have to take on both roles. Anyway, I wanted to tell you guys about Jessica's been using the Juve light on her face again because she stopped for a while. And so you know the go, the small one. Yeah. She gave it to her grandmother.

And her grandmother was using it in San Diego, loving it. And then we bought her grandmother one so that we could get the old one back. So Jessica didn't use it for a while. She got it back, started using it again, and I swear within a week, it's like, I come home and I'm like, I look at her and I'm like, you look different, you know, like your skin looks,

I couldn't tell. She's like, oh, I'm using the Juve light again. Like it's remarkable what a difference it makes. They totally updated their line. I have like one of the original ones. Like they have now these cool stands for the same model. Are you using yours regularly still? Yeah. Real. I'm I'm I wouldn't say I'm like there's times where I go on a break where maybe it's been two weeks where I haven't used it. I mean, I was behind it yesterday

the day before that I was. So, you know, when we're going traveling, moving around so that and I'm inconsistent with my training, I'm inconsistent with that. It's like anything else. Like when I'm on my consistency with training, it's exactly like that. You stop using it, you lose the effects. Yes. It's not like you do it. It is totally like that. It's not one of those things where you reap the benefits and then you keep those, but it's like you have to stay up on it.

Have you seen some of the before and afters that people were post with their face from using it? I haven't. It's like, it's almost unbelievable, and I would say it's unbelievable if I didn't see it myself. And I hate to say this, it sounds like a stupid commercial, but it literally makes your skin look younger. You know how I know it's like blowing up and moving that direction of it's becoming more popular in that. You're starting to see it in like television shows and movies and stuff like that where there'll be like a main character in there and there'll be a, and they'll just be subtle about it. They won't even talk about it, but you'll see them using

infrared light and they've got there's all kinds of random products where there's like a face mask one they do or just like a little. Oh, the studies cleat. By the way, this is not less invasive than like a Botox or something. Dude, this is not bullshit. Look up the studies. Look up red light therapy and skin. It's conclusively results in less fine lines and wrinkles and improved collagen production. So it's not bullshit. I know it sounds hard, it's hard to believe. But it's legit. It used to be a product that was relegated to the super wealthy.

That's why nobody had it. It was so expensive that the only way you could use one was at a salon, you know, one of the models. Well, they still are pretty expensive. They're not cheap at all for, like, for the legit real one though. That's the problem though, I think is there's a lot of scammers out there that are just making a red bulb and then trying to spawn it off as infrared light. But it's totally not. The only downside is your neighbors think you're running a satanic call. Yeah, everyone's in the red light. Everybody told me to go inside.

My old townhouse, like when I had a- It's a glow, dude. I had it on the third floor, and it reflects all off the white walls. So it does, it makes like every window in the house was glowing red. It was so funny. Have you ever seen, there's a picture of a house,

you just maybe think of this, there was this picture of this house in the snow, and the, I had snow on the whole roof. It was like a multi-unit. It was so look like an apartment complex almost. And there was a bunch of snow. And then in the middle, there was a big bear spot with no snow. And then the meme said, oh, I can tell who's growing weed in this house. I have seen that. I have seen that. Doug, what is it? What is that DM you got? Yeah. So we had somebody reach out to us and said that they've been using the Juve light consistently every single morning for 10 minutes.

Just got their lab work back and testosterone had increased by 200 points. Yeah. I mean, that was what sold me was when Mike and I were talking, Mike Mutzel, right? Yeah, that's what he was last name. And he showed me his labs before, and he says the only thing I changed was the Juvely, he was doing it three times a week for 20 minutes consistently.

It kicks the mitochondria right on his groin. And it, and same thing, it jumped like two to, two to four, I might be like 400 base, it was crazy how much it testosterone jumped up. It kicks it, it, it, it, it basically turbocharges the mitochondria. So if you're on your skin, it makes your skin regenerate faster. If it's in the light exels and the testes, it makes them produce more testosterone. There's even studies that shining this light on the brain, which is totally different. You can't do this with a normal light because obviously your skull stops it.

But they did a study to show that in this was an animal study, improved cognitive function. It says a potential for treatment of dementia. So very interesting, in the science it's been around for a long time, this is stuff that we've seen. What's your theory then on things like, because we, Max, we had Katrina had Max in in front of a other day trying to,

because he's getting over the flu and so on that. What do you think about it, even helping with recovering from something like that? You got sick. I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea. I was trying, I actually got online. I started like trying to see if I could find any studies

to support the benefits of it. I have no wonder, because it's just so, it's one of those magical things that you don't believe like all these added benefits. It provides, but then you go through all the studies and it's pretty amazing. Well, you think of like, if it's help recover the mitochondria, I would think that that has

so much carry over to anything. That in itself is so beneficial for everything. It is, I just, I don't know what that would mean for mitochondrial dysfunction. I don't know. It's interesting. I had no idea. Right.

I don't either. I tried to find, I tried to look up studies because Katrina was telling me that Max was front of, you know what? I should go, you know what? That's probably not a bad idea. Let me see if I could find anything to support why it's a great idea.

And I couldn't find anything. And theoretically, it sounds like it would make, it makes sense. Hey, so I wanted to ask you Adam, so did you see the heat that, Chimoth, and I don't know how to pronounce this last name, though maybe you can pull it from the outside. From the all in podcast. From all in, did you see?

Yeah, you know it's funny, we all sat and watched that episode. And I said, that was like the first one I watched the whole. Right, you've never watched the whole thing before. We all up in Utah decided to throw on the episode because we hadn't seen it together. Not my favorite episode they done, although it was really good, all their stuff I really like. And I hopp-

Polyhapitia, polyhapitia, something like that, chamaf. So he's a billionaire. He was one of the founders. I believe first people at Facebook, big investor, obviously very influential. Part owner of the warriors. Yeah, and they were talking back and forth forth and one of the hosts brought up the Weggers in China, which are this is a Muslim group that is being you know

I guess they're reporting that they're being thrown in concentration camps. They're being suppressed. They're being fully they're forcefully sterilized and really bad shit over and Chimoth now is, I'm so glad I watched the whole podcast because, and I talk about this all the time, but it's so hard to identify that when you, they can take something at a context in order to attack you and come after you. And Shamath, although he identifies as a Democrat, sometimes he says things that are not very, you know, liberal or whatever, he's very pro- market, I guess. Then the last, he's political. All of them have political opinions, which makes them targets.

And so he was on there and his partner was bringing up the Uggers and Shamauth said, I literally don't care about them. And now the way he explained it, you have to watch the whole podcast. So I do not at all agree with all the attack pieces on him. No, it was interesting. I hope he doesn't pray for you. He came after him, right? I know all the attack pieces on him. No, it was interesting. I hope he doesn't pray for you.

He didn't pray for you came after him, right? I know. And I commented on it. He was both sides really were. Yeah, so the conservative side came after him pretty hard because it was an easy clip and you call it what you did call it while we were watching. Like, oh, he's gonna get trashed for that for sure.

Because you can see, like if you ripped that sound bite out and make you, and he's already got kind of a smug personality. Oh, he just comes across as a cock. Yeah, but I mean, I actually appreciate that. I like his personality. I like him a still like that. Very unfiltered, yeah. Yeah, you either do, I mean, he's deaf,

I'm sure he's very polarizing, right? So you either really like him or you don't like him at all, which I'm sure, but anyways, they took that out of context, and when you knew that he was gonna tear him up for that, but I 100% agree with him. Yeah, but so I don't, and anyways, they took that out of context and when you knew that he was going to tear him up for that, but I 100% agree with them. Yeah, but I don't agree with them because I don't care about that so much. But as I come from a place where, and I think Jordan Peterson talks about this a lot really

well, of, you know, the one of the best ways that we can impact the world is within yourself and internally. Because you have the most controlling impact. That's right. So what he said, and this is the context. So if you watch the clip, he says, I don't care about the weavers, that's the bottom of my list,

that's below my, what am I lying? What he was saying was, if you listen to the whole podcast was essentially this, a lot of people say they care about stuff. And the reason why they say is to virtue signal, oh my God, like Leonardo DiCaprio, oh, the climate, climate change. And then he's got a yacht that literally will produce more carbon than all of us in this room

will ever do in 100 lifetimes from one yacht, right? That's how much this guy produces himself. So a lot of people say they care, but their actions show different. And he says, look, I know people say they care, nobody gives a shit. Nobody really cares what people care about is the stuff that's right in their backyard. And he's being honest. And this is totally true. I'm going to speak very truly, you know, very honestly now, I care about my family, then I care about my friends, then I care about the my local area. And it's all in this order,

right? It's in that order. So yeah, I care that shit's happening across the world. Am I taking action against it? Probably not. Yeah, his point was you can't, we can't quantify like evil or bad or suffering, right? There's suffering and evil and bad in our own backyard that we're not addressing. That we have more impact on.

Yeah, that we have more impact that affects us directly because it's in our backyard. And it's not that I don't care about those things. It's just that we really ought to fix this shit first. It's kind of like the, when you talk, they talk on the airplane, right? Put the mask on your own face first before you put the mask on.

Yeah, otherwise you can't help your kid. That's right. And at first, it doesn't, people think, wow, I'm not gonna save my kid, but it's just like, well, you can't save your kid. If you can't save yourself for 100%. And so it's kind of the same type of logic is, we have to take care of our own backyard,

clean your own room first before you start worrying about it. But yeah, I agree. I agreed with what he was saying, and basically what he was saying was, is he was being very honest, and essentially saying this, none of you care either. You guys say you care, but what about your action? Which is a hard pill to swallow because.

It is, dude. Yeah, that's, I mean, that tends to be, you know, a common thing these days is like, try to tackle the really big, huge problems or at least bring awareness to it is like the biggest push for a lot of people out there. Where versus, you know, really honing in on the actionable steps. Look, you talk to the average person

and you say, hey, do you care about your health and your fitness? Yes, definitely. Then you look, you don't exercise at all. You eat garbage every single day. You rely on pharmaceutical drugs and caffeine and alcohol to mitigate yourself throughout the day. You are lying.

You're saying you care because it's saying you don't care. You don't want to say that. You want to say you care. But the reality is your action show that you don't. And it's just being honest, that's all it is. And that's what he was saying. And he's just, you know, he comes across as a dick. That's just how he talks.

I appreciate that, be honest with you. But they definitely took that clip and they are hammering. And what I hope he doesn't do, and I hope he's listening, Tremoth, I hope you do not go on your podcast and apologize and bow down because I know there's a lot of pressure on him right now. Because the way they're attacking him is this. They're saying, oh, this owner of the warriors, billionaire, billionaire doesn't want to say he's against the leaders in China and what they're trying to say is because the NBA is

a part of the way he has financial interest in people that are giving him money and so he doesn't and it has nothing to do with that Also, he was very clear if you listen to the whole episode Yes, and there's a lot of other stuff that was said in that podcast that a lot of people don't realize like the world is very complex Mm-hmm, and oftentimes we make decisions based off of feelings without Considering potential downstream effects. For example, I'll use a great example. You could go into a country and see a factory where there's 10-year-olds working. And it's hot in there, and they're working for 12 hours a day.

And you're like, this is terrible. And so, through your money and your influence, you make a ban on it, and you shut these factories down. And you're like, yay, I succeeded. And you don't pay attention to what happened next. And the next thing you know, all those 12 year olds now are on the street selling their bodies for sex, for money, for whatever.

Starving and die. Right, so not saying that you should have a sweat, you know, a factory or whatever, but the point is that it's way more complex. And so just saying, you know, well, I'm not gonna do business with that. For example, some people would say, we shouldn't trade with China at all. Screw them, they're communist, they do evil shit, and I agree with a lot of that.

But I don't agree we should not do any trade with them because the single biggest deterrent to war ever in the history of mankind is trade. Countries that trade heavily tend to not attack each other. They just don't, they're interests are intertwined We were at way greater risk with the Soviet Union because the Soviet Union us we shut shit down and we stopped working together Speaking of that would you see what's going on with Canada right now? They're the the protests that are happening up there. Oh is this where the truckers are? Yes shut shit down. Yeah, it's getting serious They're blocking the roads too. I think I read is that you guys know if that's true or not

I heard they shut down the gyms and everything without a date to stop the mandates. They need to stop. The game is over. Did you see the study that came out of Israel? No. Oh yeah, about the fourth shot. Yeah, the fourth shot not helping anything.

The second booster, which is the fourth shot, I guess, ineffective against Omicron. So essentially a waste of time. The whole narrative is starting to break down and these policies, the draconian policies, they need to stop because they're not popular and they're not helping. If this point, it just looks like a power grab.

I mean, what else can you describe it as? If the data doesn't support your mandate. I mean, how much we going to be affected by shipping coming down from Canada into the US? Dude, there's going to be supply issues for a while. You have that going on You have some protests going on Europe and then China is locking shit down hard to try because that's their answer to To COVID and because they're communist they can literally lock you in your house So they're locking shit down. So we're gonna have some supply chain issues for a little while So we'll see we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.

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It was why all the way from over there. Wow. So you want to hear the conspiracy theory? There's a conspiracy there is That it was a it was a North Korean nuclear test No, yeah, and they're trying to play it off as like a both-camera explosion. I know I'm sure it's bullshit Well, I did see that I didn't realize that was a, I actually thought that was somebody like doing like a computer simulation. If there's something like this, where it goes off.

Oh, wow. No, that was real. Oh, shit. Yeah, did you know that one of the greatest threats to humanity is super volcano? Mm-hmm. So, look at this. They think what Yellowstone is a super volcano in the making.

Look at that. That's like the size of like a small country. How big that explosion is. Isn't that insane? There's a lot of cool footage of it. Look at that dude. It's like the size of California, the cloud that came out of there.

Isn't that crazy? It looks bigger than that. That's fake, like this is around Earth. So yeah, it's like this. Yeah, we know Earth is actually real. It's actually flat. But yeah, Yellowstone is a super volcano. And if it exploded, it would probably

cause a mass extinction around the world. So I'll just see you guys, you know. You guys just sleep. Great uplifting content at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just asleep, just asleep. All right, I'll do some uplifting content. I am attempting, let's see how long my,

if my gut health will actually stay good, because it's actually really good right now, and it's been for a while. I'm gonna attempt to do a legit bulk. So when you decide you're gonna switch over to that, like what is your one, what is about how many calories you go for, and then is there a preferred nutrient or thing that you add for those additional calories

that you tend to go towards? Okay, so you're gonna be really mad at at me because I really don't have no idea. I'm assuming I'm eating around 3,800 calories if I had to kind of make a guess, 35 to 4,000. And my gut health is always a thing that gets in the way. So I always have to kind of bring it down if shit gets inflamed. But right now it's been really good. So what I've done is instead of adding tons and tons more calories and risking You know, inflaming my gut and causing me to have setback or whatever. Yeah. All I'm doing is I'm adding to Organify protein shakes a day. So I'm eating it like I normally do but I'm adding two to shakes a day

230 to 40 grams shakes a day. So that's an additional You know, are you mixing just with water? What do you just water just water? Just not adding anything fruit or anything that I just like another 60 to 75 or so grams of protein So that's an additional, you know, what you're mixing. Just with water, what do you mean? Water. Just water. And not adding anything fruit or anything that that just, you know, stuff. So like another 60 to 75 or so grams of protein and the calories that come along with it. Right, right.

So like, I can 400 to 500 calories, 70 grams of protein. And I can already tell, I can already tell. I've done it now for a few days and I can tell, you know, I'm gonna see if my body weight will get up to 215, which I haven't been that heavy in years. I'm like 209 right now, so we'll see what happens. But the, their protein is pretty easy on my gut, so I can eat that and not have a big,

you not have an issue. Well, those twisted sugar cookies should probably help you out a little bit. I mean, that was, this guy did. Oh, we had to destroy it all of us. When we were in Utah, shout out to that company, right, this is not a commercial thing. I can't believe that's something about it. Yeah, Utah has these two things We had it all of us. When we were in Utah, shout out to that company, right? This is not a commercial thing.

I can't believe that's coming by the end. Yeah, it's good. Utah has these two things that we have never seen, at least over here in the Bay Area, which was the twisted sugar cookies, which are these like super kinky cakes. Yeah, tiny kinky cakes. You basically go on there and you can order

all these weird cookies and different flavors. They were delicious though, dude, but I mean, they're so rich that like one is enough, and Sal was so funny, because he wouldn't even eat one, he would just take like a quarter of it, but then all day long, I seen him go into the box. Yeah, I had it up to like, yeah.

So it ended up being like nine cookies, broken up in court. I was microdosing, I was microdosing, so I was like, you're 36 visits, right? You're microdosing. But they have that, and then the other one was their... Like soda. Yeah, they're what they call the soda one,

what's called, what was that called? I don't remember. Was that also, no, it was twisted cookie, right? I think they had soda too. And then there was a soda one. Oh, twisted sugar. Twisted sugar. Oh, and they all spiked?

Soda, not spiked soda. But yeah, they'd like nerdy soda. Dirty soda, dirty soda. That's what it was called, dirty soda, thank you. So basically you pick the flavor, then you can add if you want it to be an energy drink and you can make it weird, you can add cream to it, you can do all kinds of weird stuff to it

and get a soda and they deliver it to your door or you go pick it up. And I thought this was a brilliant, it's almost like what you did as a kid when you're just experimenting all the different flavors of the soda's and then adding extra stuff in there. I mean, I made a business of that.

I would mix like Sprite with Coke. Yeah. Dr. Pepper, some kind of cheer. I never really got into that. I don't know. You're a Coca-Cola guy. I am, but have you always been a Coca-Cola guy? No, I was a Pepsi kid.

Was there a difference? Is it really a difference? Oh, yeah, I get totally different. Yes, it's a difference. Which one? What's the difference? I'm a Coke guy. So I like Coke too. Pepsi taste sweeter to me. Does it really?

Yeah, they're stronger. I don't know how to explain. Did you know the Coca-Cola? It's definitely. Did you know the Coca-Cola McDonald's? They add more syrup to it. I told you that, that's why. You're the one that told me?

Yeah, because I had a girl in high school who literally would, like she would eat somewhere else and then go through McDonald's to get their coke and I was like, what's it's like the same? She's like, no, it's not. They're sugar to syrup ratios different. So I don't know if it's the they actually add more, but they are they're ratio of it's like a specific. Yeah, they have they have like a patented ratio of carbon to sugar to syrup ratio, which is if anybody's ever had McDonald's co-op. I'm sure they sell more coke than anybody else. I'm sure you're right. They have to. Yeah-op. I'm sure they sell more co-op than anybody else.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure you're right. They have to. Yeah, no, I'm sure you're right. So Pepsi's a little sweeter. It has like a sharper taste to it. I'm trying to put words to what I feel that it definitely tastes. It doesn't have any co-op. You could blindfold me and let me do a Pepsi and a co-op.

And you'll do a hundred percent. We'll be only. Every day. I'll be 10 out of 10 again. Really? Yeah, I mean, anybody who drinks one or the other, I think, don't you feel that way? Yeah, that you could blindfold it tell the difference. You tell oh Yeah, yeah, definitely I do this, but when I was a kid I liked Pepsi I'm gonna trick you guys to when I got older I said one that I did my thumb inside or something

You don't really drink any coke or Pepsi do you? Not really. I sometimes have a diet coke Yeah, I like that. Are you a coke your coke coke coke your coke guy? Do you think you could tell a difference? Totally right? I think I can too. Oh, I could tell that. Okay, now I could tell a difference between Mexican coke and American coke. Yeah, the real sugar.

The real sugar. Yeah, super sweet. Yes, I'll get the real sugar one all day long. Yeah, I was growing up. I was a root beer guy. Oh, yeah, I was growing up. I was a root beer. Root beer guy Oh, yeah, that's mine you too. Yeah, which one would you like dad's dad's root beer dad's a and W's creamy delicious. Yeah No, what a great commercial we have We're not encouraging people oh, so the twisted sugar did have the dirty sodas also. They did.

Oh, so we didn't get a chance to try that. But just... Nobody's a Fanta fan in here, huh? A Fanta fan. Oh, no. I should do Orange Crush in the summer for some reason. It was always like I was drawn to like Orange soda. Yeah, I don't know why.

I have always liked sodas. I mean, I've been a soda drinker forever, but I switched over to the Diet Coke like, I don't know in my mid-twenties. And I actually prefer a Diet Coke now than a regular Coke. Gross. Yeah, I don't like the Diet Coke, like, I don't know in my mid-20s. And I actually prefer a Diet Coke now than a regular Coke. Gross. Yeah, I don't like the regular Coke. I only do, yeah, I only drink Coke

if I'm, you know, mixing whiskey in it now. That's it. It's only time. That's it. I'm not gonna make this better. It's just, I don't know. Hey, do you like to work out, stay fit, but enjoy the occasional glass of alcohol.

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just health and longevity but recently I found myself in a really good spot so I'm about 510, about 154, 155 so I'm like 10-ish percent body fat and I just I don't know I got it in me that I kind of want to see if I can push my body to do something like a physique competition. So I was trying to see what would be a checklist that I could do to basically optimize muscle growth over the course of one or two years to put on maybe like 15-20 pounds. Okay. Well, it's definitely Justin's wheelhouse. Yeah, I was gonna say I'll go ahead and feel this for you guys. Relax. Okay, this is definitely Justin's wheelhouse. Yeah, I was gonna say I'll go ahead and feel this for you guys Relax, okay, I think I think there's a lot more we need to know right so I would like to know

Kind of what you're currently doing training wise. Are you following any sort of program? Regimen do you follow any of the maps programs currently right now and if you don't yeah So I have for you guys programs. I have Antibolic performance aesthetic and power lift. lift. I'm just finishing up anabolic, but I've kind of tweaked it to where I'm still working out. It's not really trigger sessions. I'm working out seven days a week basically where I'm kind of splitting some of the end of the workout because I don't really feel like I can give the, like, I'm in the third phase right now. So like the super set with the arm workouts, I kind of push that off on its own day with maybe either a chest workout or a shoulder workout and then do

some very light accessory stuff just to get a little bit more volume. Okay. So you're pretty much falling out of ball. You're just kind of splitting it up, which is totally cool. I do that sometimes where I split it up on the other days, but you're still following what's in the program. Yes. So the other question I'd have too is that if you're a client of mine, I would love like an off-season kind of bulking stretch with you, and then we would do show prep and get ready.

So if I could get like a year of your time, I would want to run like anabolic power lift try to pack on as much muscle And we'd do that in a bulk so I'd at 10% body fat. You're already pretty lean In fact, this is kind of like right when when I was in season and off season off season I like to hover right around that 10 maybe I let myself go as high as 12% But I like to keep myself close to single digits getting ready for a show So I didn't have to do a long cut. So your body fat percentage is perfect, kind of where you're at.

And I would love to run like a power lift, anabolic split type of routine within a calorie surplus to pack on some good size for you, and I would want to do that for about three to six months, depending on where our body fat is hanging around and stuff. Then, switch you over to a map's aesthetic and lean you out and get you ready for the

show. Map's aesthetic was really inspired by my show prep heading into a show. I would start it off still in a calorie surplus or maintenance and then towards the final six to eight weeks, I would transition into a cut. And when you're this lean, when you're right around 10%, you don't need to be cutting longer than about probably six weeks. I think that's the mistake that some of these competitors

make is they, one, they allow their body fat percentage to get so high. And then when it's time to cut, they're doing like these 16 week cuts. I never cut longer than four to six weeks because I maintain my body fat percentage about where you're at. If you're around 10%, you can easily drop four or five percent in six weeks, no problem, especially if you got a healthy metabolism and you're dialed in.

So that's kind of what I would want to do with you. Yeah. To add to that, I'd say a big thing to focus on is going to be your calories. Obviously, you want to get about a gram of protein per pound of body weight, but you should be increasing your calories by about 500 to 1000 over what your maintenance is. So do you know what your maintenance calories are? Do you know how much you're eating right now? So actually, it's kind of, so I've been probably about three, four months now where I've been just like intuitively eating.

I have a good idea that I'm around anywhere, I mean, it fluctuates, but I can be anywhere between like 27 to 3000 calories. And I've actually been basically recombing for a couple months where I've consistently seen that I'm a little bit bigger and losing body fat at the same time. So. Yeah, so estimates are notoriously inaccurate, even for experienced people. I mean, I estimate, and when I go count and add things up, I find that I'm off by. Well, that's me, that's me counting. Like, I have an idea of how much the food I eat is. I just didn't like actually write it down.

Okay. Yeah, because that's obviously that is, I mean, that's the first step. So I'm glad, Sal, you went that way is that, you know, if we, you and I were working together, I would need you to know to the calorie, right? So I mean, I encourage people using like fat, see critter, my fitness pal, so we can log it and we can make subtle adjustments. So yeah, track it. And then once you get the exact number, I'd go, actually, I'd probably go, are you, are you more of a, I'm assuming you're more of a hard gainer than an easy gainer considering your, your body weight and your height. Is that, would you say that's fair?

Oh, yeah. Definitely. Okay, I would go a thousand calories over maintenance. Now, if you start to put on too much body fat, you could always bring it down to 500 over maintenance. But I would add a thousand over what you're doing. And then, you know, go back to your training. The food is going to make the biggest difference.

Obviously, if you're following one of our programs, it's probably working all right for you, but it's gonna be the food. That's the big challenge. And if you're eating close to 3,000 calories, I mean, we're talking close to 4,000 calories, that's a bit challenging for people to consistently. What people tend to do is they'll do 4,000 calories

for a few days and then they'll drop off for another few days and actually totals out to be not that much of a surplus. So consistently, a 1,000 calories surplus per day, go with that, and then if your body fat starts to climb too quickly, you could cut that in half, but you gotta be in that surplus to really pack on, you're talking about 15 pounds of muscle. And to be honest with you've been working out for 10 years,

15 pounds of muscle in a one year after 10 years of training to be hard. It seemed to be really hard. I would say more realistic would be closer to seven. But who knows? I mean, at the end of the day, I wouldn't get too hung up on that stuff anyways. Like really, my goal with you is if we're going to do our first show and get ready for it, it's okay, let's get your calories up as high as we can without putting on too much body fat, right? Because what I really want to do is I want to get you at a place where, you know, let's say you're, you say you're around 3,700 calories or so right now, let's say we get you up to like 4,500 calories and it's like, man, I'm eating as much as I can and it's awesome.

I'm not putting on really body fat. I'm hoving around this 10 to 12%. We're in a really good place to transition you into a cut because your calorie intake is so high. I can peel you down 500 calories, tell you to walk a thousand more steps a day and you're gonna start to lean out real nice. And that's where we'd like to be.

And the other thing I would add, if you're not tracking this right now, is to start to track your steps. Are you, do you're not tracking this right now, is to start to track your steps. Are you, do you have any idea of like how much you move on a daily basis? It's not that much. I mean, I go for a couple walks. And so honestly, that's the majority of it, maybe like five, six thousand.

Okay, cool. So that's definitely a room to be much more active. Yeah, that's a great, that's a great, first of all, for what you're trying to do, that's a good place to be, because that gives me a lot of room to increase your steps. And I wouldn't do that yet, right? Right now, we're bulk phase put on size, add the calorie sales saying, transition into one of the other programs that you finish and ball, like I was talking about, trying bulk for the next program and get your calories up as high as you can and maintain your steps with your at. And then when we switch into your cut, the high as you can, maintain your steps with your eye.

And then when we switch into your cut, the first thing we're going to do is reduce your calories by about 500 calories and increase your steps by say just 2,000 steps a day. Yeah, through walking. One other thing too is a lot of people, especially if you're natural, so if you're not enhanced with any antibiotics or anything like that, most people gain more mass with about four days a week of resistance training, maybe five at the most. Even though you're taking the volume up

and splitting it up, you might be better off reducing the overall volume, doing about four days a week, maybe in the gym, the other days you could stretch and mobility work. That's a really good point. And you'll probably see yourself pack on more work. That's a really good point. And you'll probably see yourself pack on more muscle. And I know it's hard to imagine, especially when you've been

working out so long, but you'll know within the first couple of weeks. If you try that, go four days a week for the next couple of weeks, focus on kind of getting stronger, bumping your calories. My guess is, and I would put money on this, that you're going to see a nice little bump in muscle and strength. How young are we?

What's our age? 28. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I agree with Sal. And in fact, 28's about, when I started a piece this together, in my mid 20s and early 20s, I was seven day a week.

It was about intensity and thinking the more I trained, the more muscle I'd put on. I'll never forget switching to a three day week program. And it was a hard transition because I was like, this just didn't feel like I'm putting enough work in, but then my body started to pack on muscle. And that's all I needed. I needed to actually lay off a bit

and just follow good programming and eat and recover. And I started to see myself put on a lot more size after I'd already been training for over a decade. So you may be in a similar situation, been training as long as you have, you're still young, you probably, you wanna get after it, and honestly scaling back a little bit in only training three times a week

may do you really well. So, and then what's great about that too, is that also leaves us a lot of room to add into your cut, right? So, once... Just a burn cowl. Yeah, so when we get into the cutting phase, it ain't about packing on any more muscle, it's about maintaining the muscle that you work so hard for and moving more and burning more. And I would use those extra days to get you more active and burning more calories when we get into our cut face. Right on. Um, so, quick, do you have any, like, small checklist of things that you would do outside

of, like, nutrition, sleep, and exercise to kind of try to optimize gains? Outside of sleep, exercise, and nutrition? I mean, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I'm being honest with you. Yeah. This is, you know, you ask me my personal, and I would be doing this, and I I would be doing. Yeah. I suggest finding that on your own. Don't go that route. But if you do, it's going to be hard to come back from. But no, okay. So all joking aside, stress. And then supplements can help.

Crayotein is going to be probably the most beneficial supplement that you can take. And if you're not hitting your protein targets with your food, you could supplement with protein powder. But aside from what you just said, there's really not much else. I mean, to optimal. I mean, I assumed that, yeah, that's the cornerstone. And then just if there was any other like small little tidbits that maybe I could add, but yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty stressed.

Yeah, so, yeah, manage stress. Pay attention to what your, your stress levels and sleep looks like. If you're, if you're, if you're not optimizing sleep, that's a, that's one of those things that when you're 20, you tend to overlook. Well, he included that. He said, sleep, training, and nutrition, the side of the... I would say just stress, you know? Yeah.

I can't think of anything. The sad about is actually, through you guys, I got an uler unit, but it started leaking so I had to send it away. So my sleep has been less restful lately. Well, when you get it back, it'll make a difference, definitely. Yeah. All right, man, well, thanks for calling in.

All right, yeah, thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Yeah, I don't know. I know I've said this many times, but there's a difference between how much training you can tolerate and how much training, you know, what the appropriate, most effective amount

of training is, right? Yeah. Those are two different things. You can almost always tolerate more training than what is considered optimal. And once you go outside of optimal, whether you go below or above optimal, you're getting, you're slowing down your progress, you're not going to get as many gains, okay? So, so, and what we tend to do, especially when we're very experienced, we would train for a long time when we love the process, is we tend to do especially when we're very experienced and we were trained for a long time when we love the process is

We tend to inch towards what we can tolerate. Oh, I can do more. Oh, it's not affecting me negatively Oh, I can do more. Oh, it's not but without realizing that you're actually reducing your body's ability to you know build muscle and improve So that's that's the part that I think most instances you more work, a lot of times you get a lot more benefit that way. So this is why it's a little bit of a challenge mentally to scale and find that sweet spot where you're actually going to move forward. I think that's great advice because he's at that age when this is most likely. I remember being 10 years deep into training and stuff and that was in the heart of more is better,

more intense is better. You can handle a lot when you're doing it. It was right around, it was maybe a little bit before 28, so I was probably like 26 when I did that. I never, literally from 17 when I started lifting to probably 26, so nine years or so, 19 years, seven days a week. And only if I did five, it was because I couldn't get to it, or I was doing something like

snowboarding or wakeboarding, something else on that day. So I was so active in thinking that the more effort, more work I put in, the more muscle I would get. And I remember, I can't remember what it was that I read, and it was like I backed off to three days a week. And it was hard. I remember thinking like, oh, this isn't working. Like right away, because you're not pumped up. You're not getting the pump every day.

You're not getting pumped every day, so you're like, oh, I'm shrinking and I get bad. I'm like, no, I'm gonna stay the course, trust the process for like a month. And it was pretty quick. After about a month or so, I noticed strength. And that's what really started me. Oh, let me hang here for that.

I remember hitting like dumbbell bench press, bigger numbers and I never had a- Yeah, within a couple of weeks. Yeah, and so I was like, okay, let me stick this out for a little bit. So he's probably right in that age where it's, he's still at that, I want to do more. My story's a little different in that. I read Mike Mentzer's heavy duty book, Doreen Yates was the reigning Mr. Olympia. He talked about over training all the time.

And so I went high volume and I brought the volume way down and the frequency down and I saw great gains. I still, still would consistently inch towards that, doing as much as I could tolerate. That's how insidious that tendency is. So check it and here's, okay, always do this. What this what helps me out. I always ask myself what's the worst that could happen, right?

So I'll cut down, I just recently did this. So I cut down my volume. I said, what's the worst that could happen? After a few weeks, I notice it's not working. I go back to what I was doing before and I'll bounce back real quick. So let me give it a few weeks and like clockwork, less work, work better for me. So it's very insidious. So consider that if you're in a similar situation. You know, something I didn't tell him to do that I did, that I remember I was, a lot of my peers were kind of criticizing and I thought it was interesting that they thought this

where they encouraged me to like get on stage right away. Like, oh, and I get why? Cause they're like, get the nerves out, see what it's like. Just, who cares what you look like? Just do the next show you can get onto. And I didn't, I wanted to win. Like, so I was like, I'm not ready. You know, I need to prepare.

So I spent a year of practicing cutting for a show before I cut for my first show, because a lot of competing is timing. It's learning how to manage your calories and your burn and intake, and then how to manipulate that to get your body to peak on a day. It's a lot more than you think it is.

Oh, it's weird. You know what it is, it's when you get really lean. When you're like 10%, 9%, you look good at the beach, holding a couple pounds of water, whether or not your muscles have glycogen or not, eh, you can tell, but not really, you're down to 3% body fat on stage, a little bit of water, a little bit of a lack of fullness

in your muscles, you look like a different person. And you'll see people the day before the day after look way better because they miss their time. I mean, so what you're saying is like, so on point, I think people have no idea. They don't realize that when you compete, it's not just about all the basics. You got to know all that stuff.

But it's like, how do I tie this? And not just for the day, by the way, literally for the morning, when I'm doing the pre-judging or when I'm doing it, it's like, how do I tie this? And not just for the day, by the way, literally for the morning when I'm doing the pre-judging or when I'm doing, it's so- I mean, I practice four-year, and then I went and did six shows with the course of two years, and I tell people that I don't think I ever brought

my best physique to stage. I always looked better the day before, the day after, the night of. I just, it's hard. It's really hard to, and if you're constantly building and you're manipulating changing things, it's very inconsistent. And so it's tough to peak right at that time when you're supposed to. So I encourage somebody who's thinking about competing to do a dry run when you don't have to get on stage with

that and just say, hey, I'm going to try and get the leans I've ever got. I'm going to try and get my physique and pick a date and, hey, I'm gonna try and get the liness I've ever got. I'm gonna try and pick a date and say, I'm gonna try and get perfectly shredded at this time and see what happens and what you'll find is I bet you two days before or two days after or the day before or after you find that your physique ends up looking better and you learn a lot about how your body responds to all those little

subtle things you're talking about. Our next color is Austin from Utah. What's up Austin, how can we help you? Hey, first off, I've been listening to your podcast for just a few months. I probably listened to an episode a day. I love you guys. I'm grateful for all the information you give.

Thank you. My question is about three years ago, I snapped my leg in half and aside by side accident. It was a tip-fib compound fracture. And the first surgery actually yielded little to no bone growth. So I went in for a second surgery, meaning that I was basically sedentary on my right leg for almost a year. I recently got back into lifting heavy again about a year ago and I just got my body composition tested with an in body scanner. I don't know

how super accurate that is, but it said that my right leg, the one that I broke actually has four pounds more muscle than my left leg. And I'm kind of wondering if this is something that's just like overcompensation initially from the surgery or if it's something that I need to worry about and transpacifically to fix. Okay, now that's a good question, that's kind of weird. The broken one has more. Yeah, that's according to embodies. Yeah kind of weird. The broken one has more. Yeah, that's a corner to embody.

Let me ask you a couple more questions. How is your circulation in the leg that was broken? Does it feel, you got good circulation? Is there any swelling, anything like that? No, it feels it feels pretty much normal. The only thing that's different is I think it's my fibula, the one at the bone at the back, it never actually connected. Oh, okay. So, like the doctor says it's not a big problem and I don't feel it, but, you know. Okay. Now, the, okay, so when we're talking about

the difference in muscle, he's saying right now and he, the one that was broken three years ago. The one that was broken has four pounds more muscle. So that's not uncommon at all. So what's actually very common is what happens is when we rehab, and this has happened, they've actually done studies to show this, like a lot of times what ends up happening is people end up, because they're so focused on rehabbing,

they've never been that connected to that limb before, and they end up building more muscle on that. Well, so here's, it comes back sometimes stronger. Yeah, but we need more info Austin, because I wouldn't rely entirely on an in body scan. Are you stronger? Exactly. Are you more stable now?

Like, what's the difference between both sides that you know as personal? Yeah, is the right leg stronger than the left leg? Does it feel more stable? Does it feel more explosive? Uh, yes, I think I can generally feel a little bit stronger in my right leg? It's not a big difference, and it is my dominant leg, so I don't know, that's also up in that. Okay, so nonetheless, regardless of which leg was more muscular, stronger, I would have you do

you in a lateral training almost entirely. Yeah, a whole day. Yeah, for like a year, and what I would have you do is start your workout or your exercise with the weaker legs. I don't worry about right leg, left leg, whichever leg is weaker, start your set with that leg and then match that rep range and that weight with the stronger leg.

So in other words, you may be doing less than optimal for the stronger leg because you're trying to get the weaker leg to catch up. And that'll happen very quickly. And then I would stick to unilateral training for a while, six months, maybe a year, and then reintroduce bilateral efforts. Otherwise, you're gonna be running into asymmetry

and there's gonna be, you know, like, things, compensations and things that you're gonna have to account for down the road up the kinetic chain. So it's just better to really focus on that now while you have the opportunity to really bring them both up to speed. Yeah, so here's some good exercises, okay. You could do single lake step ups.

You could do lunges, although lunges are still kind of bilateral, they're split stance. So it's more, it's kind of got that unilateral sense. You could do Bulgarian split stance squats and then driving the sled. If I were you, I would do some sled driving most days. So regardless if you're working upper body or you were different body parts,

a couple sets, two or three sets of driving a sled across some grass or across some pavement because it's really, really good for function. It'll help balance out your body and you should be able to notice a difference. But all the training I would do if I were you would be even a lateral at this point. Yeah, I don't have much to add to that.

I might add a stability component to like my hips and stuff. So I like single leg toe touch, add it to that, and then maybe single leg leg press. But I do want to tell you is that it's actually not as uncommon as you think may think. This happened to me. So when I tore my...

Was it because you weren't training both legs and then you rehabbed along? Well, so what? So what I focused on, yeah. No, so my dominant leg used to always be my right leg. I tore my ACL and MCL and my left knee. But when I rehabbed, I was so focused on rehabbing that left side that it actually,

so and before that I was doing a lot of bilateral stuff, I wasn't doing a lot of unilateral stuff, but when I was rehabbing, I was doing a lot of unilateral stuff. I had to really focus on that one side. So what I attributed to was in the past, when I would squat or do leg press or these exercises for my legs, my dominant leg would carry most of the load, but then when I had to rehab, I was doing a lot of unilateral stuff. I had to focus on rehabbing that leg, got really good and connected to it. And then when I went back to doing bilateral stuff,

that leg was now becoming my dominant leg. And I just never put enough emphasis on the weaker side of unilateral trading. And so now that my surgery side is my dominant, stronger side, it's really interesting that that happened. But I remember during that time trying to piece it together myself and I remember reading articles around this being common because someone gets hurt and especially athletes.

Is it so focused? Yes, because you're so focused on rehabbing that single leg. It never got that single leg attempt. I was doing balancing stuff for very beginning, you're doing a lot of stability, balance, a lot of mind muscle connection stuff to that injury side. And I just had never given that attention to the weaker leg before, and then that carried over into my training when I got back.

So. One other thing Austin, I'm not a doctor, but you said your fibia never fully connected? Oh yeah. Okay, I would, I would get another opinion. It just doesn't, that just doesn't sound right to me that that's okay. Now, maybe it's being communicated wrong

or maybe I obviously I don't know the whole picture. Again, I'm not a doctor, but if I had a bone that didn't reconnect, I would be a little concerned. Yeah, I'd wanna go get another opinion and say, okay, what's the deal here? Because I've had clients with a torn ACL and the doctor's like, it's no big deal because you don't play sports, you don't really need an ACL. I don't think that's optimal. Let's get that real quick. Okay, so yeah, I would get a second opinion just to see what's going on.

And do you have a Maps Prime Pro? Because I think that'll really benefit you. I don't. All right, we'll send that over to Austin. Oh Thank you so much. No problem. Thanks for calling in yeah, no problem. Thank you. Thank you Yeah, what you're saying makes sense You cuz it's like you you put hyper focus on rehab and you're not doing anything for the strong leg because you're not you thinking Oh, it's okay, and then you surpass

Yeah before but you know, you were over before. But with unilateral training, it's really remarkable how quickly you start to balance things out and get stronger. Within a few months, you start to really get good. I remember watching Paul Chek, so I was a good friend of ours, right? It's a wellness guru. And he's an older gentleman, he's got to be almost 60 now.

Very strong, very muscular, this guy's a phenom. And I remember watching him do walking lunges and Paul loves unilateral exercises. He does tons of unilateral exercises for his lower body. This guy was doing, and you're talking about a body weight of 160 pounds under Saint Leane, right? Walking lunges was 275, which is insane. Because he got good at them

because he always did unilateral training. So you can get really, really strong with unilateral training and really develop good symmetry and balance. Well, there's a lot of coaches actually. There's camps here that, it's Mike Boyle who's famous for this, right? Who doesn't do anything bilateral.

Everything is unilateral because we walk and run. When you think about it, walking and running is unilateral, it's not bilateral. So if we walk and run like that, why about it, walking and running is unilateral. It's not bilateral. So if we walk and run like that, why wouldn't we train our bodies that way? So they make a good case for it. And there's value in both. There is.

I can definitely see more value in unilateral training for athletes for sure though. Yeah. For sure. I see there's a lot of value, but general strength and power, especially if I'm training a newer athlete, I know we're kind of going off on a tangent, but I think this is a great topic. If I'm training a newer athlete. I know we're kind of going off on a tangent,

but I think this is a great topic. If I'm training a younger athlete and I'm trying to build general strength, then I'll do more maybe bilateral stuff, unless there's some imbalances. As they get more advanced, then I think it makes more sense to go more specific unilateral type stuff,

because there's more carry over in that. You gotta build that foundational base. And then the unilateral really makes sense from there for them to be able to stabilize properly and generate force in a split stance position. Our next caller is Gonzalo from Alabama. Gonzalo, what's going on? How can we help you?

Hey, hello, team. First of all, incredible to actually meet the four of you. So thank you. Thank you so much for taking the time for the question. So real, real quick, I'm hoping to get some advice since the three of you are experts and your parents. So hopefully you can you can help me out here. So long story short, recently in the last couple of years, I transformed myself, lost 85 pounds, gone in shape,

figured out some fitness stuff. I've been working with my wife and we have three children. My two boys also, they are athletic and they've become even more so after the transformation so I'm very comfortable with you know what to do with them and so forth there they're a little bit older my wife recently just got matched resistance for her she's joining the band wagon so we're basically we're turning some mind-pun family. But my daughter, who is 11, has been asking,

how can she get in better shape? How can she, like me, when I was younger, she has a bit of a, she's starting to develop perhaps a little bit of a weight issue she's concerned. She wants to improve her health. Let's put it there. And she's a cheerleader. So from what I've learned from you guys, of course, nutrition. That is is pretty clear. It seems to me like the advice holds even for any 11

girl, you know, water, whole foods, et cetera, sleep, rest. But how do you is resistance training something an 11 year old girl should do? And if so, what does that look like? And that's where I wanted to get your advice. Yeah, I think we should start with one, I would definitely make sure that I help shift her mindset to being strong, right? Like what I don't wanna do with her is I don't want

to make it about anything to do with her weight, even if you believe that we need to bring her weight down a little bit. Like, I don't want to, I mean, make sure we don't communicate that. And it's around her being strong and healthy and a strong woman and empowering her like that. I definitely would want to say that, but there's a lot of, I mean, maps anywhere, maps suspension, map starter, all three great programs that she could potentially do. I also would look for things.

I think about the stuff as a dad now, right? Like I know that there's potential that I could be in a very similar situation, and what if my son isn't really into lifting weights or exercising? Like, I'd also find ways just to be active with her and to have fun. You know, does she like to swim? Does she like to ride her bike? Like, and now that you've made this, you know, transition into a much healthier lifestyle,

is finding ways to just have fun with activity and keeping her moving more so than really trying to force her into like a weightlifting routine if she's not really into it. Now if she's really into it, like if you teach her one of those three programs and she's all about it, then by all means have fun with it and train her on those routines. But I think I would be more about just being active with her and doing stuff. That would be the way I would introduce her into fitness. That's my opinion. Yeah, I really like math suspension only because the main things initially with kids at age and what

I experienced too with my son who's 11 is just body control, body awareness and strength stability. So in terms of like adding resistance with dumbbells or like I think that that's great but I think a good first starting step would be bodyweight training. And with the suspension, it just really helps to kind of guide that in a very succinct way. So I think it's something that's not too much in terms of like overwhelming her with exercises and things that might be not that familiar.

It kind of simplifies the whole process a bit. And so I just like to kind of start there and see what kind of response you get and just try as much as you can to have fun with her in that process. Yeah, Gonzalo, resistance training is appropriate for anybody. It's just how it's applied. Right. It's really about how it's being applied.

So if you got a real young kid, resistance training looks like gymnastics, looks like body weight, you know, exercises or even games. Yeah, play. As they get older, it could be more like traditional resistance training. The things to focus on with your 11 year old are stability and balance. So if she can push, let's say she could lift a five pound dumbbell above her head, but

you notice at the top, and it's very common for a kid, they'll lift something they have to strengthen to lift, but they don't have the stability. You'll see it kind of wobble and move over the place. Go way lighter. You want to go way lighter and focus more on, can they do this without wobbling and without being unstable? But other than that, all exercises,

so long as they're applied appropriately are fine. They're not only fine, but she'll benefit tremendously from them. And I want to go back to what Adam said. I would focus entirely on performance. How many reps you did? How strong do you feel? How is your energy? I would not focus on anything that has to do with appearance,

especially for an 11 year old girl, because she's going to get to the age where she's going to come more self-conscious anyway. And if the focus is placed on appearance, then there's a higher chance that there could be like a dysfunctional relationship with With exercise in that, but it sounds like You're doing a great job. You've already led by example, right? Sounds like the whole family is following along So I'll tell you what you know, this is great and this I you know, I wish my kids let me do this

I tried doing this so it doesn't always work But if your kids are into it, a family workout day, and what a dream, like everybody goes out in the garage and we all have a good time, we play music and we do exercises and it's not really about you training yourself too hard, but it's more about everybody enjoying themselves and creating a good environment. But resistance training for 11 year old,

two days a week is plenty. Really, two days a week is plenty, two days a week is it's planning so long As she's active otherwise pushing a sled would be cool, too. Yeah access to sleds or kids love that Do you have a map suspension? I know Justin was talking about that. I think that's a good. Yeah a good program. Do you have that? We do not why our first product product is a map's resistance For the wife so we do not So yet that yeah, that yet, that would be great. That would be great. We'll send that over to you. So you'll have access to that.

And then all you need to do is get suspension trainers. You can get them relatively inexpensive. I know you can go on our site and we sell them for a pretty good price. I think it's at mindpumpstore.com if I'm mistaken. But yeah, we'll give you the program for free and then let us know what happens. Well, thank you so much. You were talking about the family. What is the family workout days? So my middle son is a competitive rock climber. So so we do have access. We usually all go to the gym and that is one activity that she does enjoy Also, there you go. That's perfect. That's it right there. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah. Oh, Thank you so much for the advice. No problem. Thank you. All right. Great show guys. Keep it going.

Thank you. Amazing. Thank you. Yeah, the whole thing with kids is what a great story. You know, it's funny with kids. It's like when you when you talk to people that are like experts in what they call it child-led learning. When you have you see this as a parent, when your child is into something, they will learn everything about it, they'll become obsessed, they'll just eagerly learn and absorb information.

When they're not into something, you try to force it. Yeah, actually it's worse. That's why I was kind of alluding to that, right? Like find out if she likes to bike, does she like to swim, does she end to gymnastics? Like you find something that she's physically into already and just have fun with it.

Keep her active and encourage it and incorporate it into your guys' training days versus like, because I do get questions like this a lot, like, you know, what should I train my kid on? It's like, well, if you have an 11 year old that is like wanting to lift weights, well, that's exciting, you know, like, but I know. It's rare.

Yeah, it was very rare. Like most kids are not into it the same way, and instead of trying to force it and make them train that way, it's find ways to keep them active and to play and enjoy just movement. I think that's the play at that age. And he's already doing the most important thing.

He's leading by example. That's the biggest thing in the whole family. That's right. And there's gonna come a day where she's gonna remember that my dad had all this weight and got down to this weight. And he's healthier and he's more fun to be around. She's gonna connect those dots. And there's a very good chance that she'll come to him

when she wants to do resistance training and do those things for now. But it is come to him when she wants to do resistance training and do those things for now. But it is rare for a kid to want to do resistance training. Very rare. I'd say the average age of a kid getting into it is late teens, early 20s. When they really are like wanna change how they look, otherwise.

A little more self-conscious. Yeah, I've trained a lot of kids. It's boring for kids. Reps, what the hell am I, I'd want to go, let me go throw something or do something more. That's why the sled's kind of cool, right? Kids love the sled. Like I would totally take a sled out

and challenge how far we could push it, make a game out of it. We had some ball stuff, it's always great. Can you throw this? Can you lift this? I'm all about climbing any kind of thing that you can climb on, like the trampolines amazing.

So there's lots of options there. It just makes it more of a fun environment. Our next color is April from Michigan. April, what's going down? How can we help you? Hey. Hi guys. Hey.

Hi. Hi. Welcome to the mail truck. So I guess my question is, I'm in mailcare, obviously. I am super active. I have a walking route. So I do about 10 plus miles a day, depending on the mail volume. And I'm currently doing maps in a, in a ball, and I'm just kind of, I'm just, I'm a recovering bootcamp cluster. And I'm just kind of trying to figure out if I am in the right program, if I should be

focusing more on like performance or just kind of trying to make my job a little easier because I was doing those bootcamp classes and I started listening to you guys and I stopped doing those because I was like, why am I so tired all the time? Well, it's because you have a job that's very demanding and then you're doing a boot camp class literally every day and twice on Sunday. You're in the right place now. Yeah, this is a relatively easy question to answer but it's a very common question. So I'm going to ask four questions, okay? What have you noticed since you started Maps and a Ballet? Have you improved your strength? Do you feel like you're building muscle?

Do you feel like you're doing a fit? So let me break it down for me. What have you seen since you've started it? I mean, I have a training background. I'm never actually trained anybody, but I went to school to be a trainer. So I do have some knowledge. So I did use the lift weights. So I have noticed, obviously, like my muscle

coming back very quickly, which is awesome. But I do still struggle with like imbalances because with this job, we carry a mail bag on our shoulder on the same shoulder pretty much every day. And I have noticed that like one of my legs is stronger than the other. I don't know if that is due to that weight bearing down on one side the whole time I'm carrying mail.

Could be. So yeah, so that's something that I'm trying to like switch up I try to do some more unilateral stuff. That's not perfect. But you are getting stronger and you aren't noticing improvements in performance while doing maps in a ballpark. Yes, definitely.

But I would go, I would go maps performance. After you finish maps in a ball and go maps performance, it's really good. But what she's doing right now is great. What you're doing is smart. It's actually perfect in my opinion. I think maps in a bulk for metabolism wise from what you were doing before with the everyday bootcamp twice on the weekends like the perfect thing for your body would shift for your body. Yeah, is to go to anabolic and then what you're

doing is actually really smart that you're this is where we always tell people right? Like our programs aren't perfect for everybody. The idea is that you take the base and then you modify some things for yourself. Perfect example of what you just said is I notice I have this discrepancy from left to right in my legs. So, hey, maybe instead of always doing backloaded or front loaded squats where you're bilateral, do some unilateral work, you know, do some lunging instead or Bulgarian split squads or single egg leg press, instead of that movement. And I think that is a great, a great thing right there. Would you? I'm gonna make an assumption and you tell me if I'm right or wrong, but do your calves dwarf Adam and sauce? Oh god. I mean, I mean, they're probably magnificent.

No comment, that's the right answer. No comment, just say it, let's just call that out. If you want a free program, make sure you can. I'm the one who gives out free programs over here, so just be careful. Now, you know what, though, another thing, April, you, in your question that you sent us, you did, there was a body fat percentage question you asked as well about getting leaner. That's almost entirely a diet thing. Okay, so if you're getting strong, you're buildinger, that's almost entirely a diet thing. Okay, so if you're getting strong,

you're building muscle, it's a diet thing, so that's gonna be a bunch of fish. And then I do wanna comment on how you hold your bag while you're delivering mail. I would start to very slowly, okay, that's in bold letters, very slowly, switch the bag every once in a while. Don't go crazy and do half of your route with it on the other shoulder

because it will hurt. You're not used to it. But I would do like, you know, let's say you're doing 10 miles and the bag is always over one side. I would do one mile with the bag over to this side and then do nine like you normally. Yeah. And slowly, slowly but surely work it up to where you can,

it might take you like, how long have you been a male carrier for? I'm about three years. Okay, I would give it like a year before you do, before it's equal. I'll need to say it. Okay. So slowly do it because you're so accustomed to one side that if you go five miles back on the other shoulder, you're not going to feel very good. Yeah, yeah. I do try to do that on the only problem with that is that when we carry mail, all of our stuff is in one arm,

so you only have one arm available to you to pull out of the bag. And it's like trying to carry mail on the other hand is kind of like trying to write with your left hand if you're right-handed. It's a little tricky. Yeah, it's hard, but I mean going to, I mean, okay, you've only done this for three years, you already noted a notice of difference. If you plan on

doing this for a long time, yeah, I would do it because you're going to see, I mean, the imbalance can get, I mean, over the years, over 10 years, 15 years, it can compile. It'll compile, and it'll be really hard to reverse with exercise because you do so, so often that, you know, two or three days a week of training, and five days a week of training to try to balance it out, you're never really going to catch up. So, I would start now, it's a pain in the butt, it'll take you a while, it'll take probably a year or longer to feel comfortable on one side.

So, do it really slow, there's no time limit here, do it really slow, get to the point where you can do both sides and feel okay on both sides because over the years this is going to become more of an issue. Okay. Is there anything as far as like should I on my trigger session day, should I be focusing more on unilateral? I think that'd be some more. Yeah, that's some more. Focus heavy on that. I don't know if you guys noticed, but I have a little cage here and I have my ribbon resistance band. Yeah, that's awesome.

You got to do what you got to do when you work in 12 hours just. That's super awesome. Yeah, so no, yeah, do you have mass performance, by the way, because I'll send that to you. I do not. That would be awesome. Thank you so much.

We'll send that over to you. One more favor. That would be awesome. Thank you so much. We'll send that over to you. One more favor. If you can look into this, Adam ordered a penis and larger. Never got it. She's gonna wash the nail. Sheafer. Don't let that wash.

You know, they actually do that. Do you know that they actually have that where you can order and then it requires us to get a signature for it? So it's like embarrassing for both parties. The box will just have like, it's like, it's not like it's like a embarrassing for both parties. The box will just have like they don't it's like it's not the real thing so it's a gag. Wow no no I'm sure they make a fortune. I'm totally joking he got it. It was awesome anyway thank you so much April. Thank you guys. Have a good way. No problem. Yeah I guess the rule of thumb is this, if you're wondering if it's working,

are you getting stronger and more fit the answers yes? Because I think a lot of people are like, oh my god, it's just the right program. And then you ask them, are you stronger? Well yeah, I had 15 pounds to my, that's happening. What do you think? Yes, it is.

I like you guys advice of switching hands and so that. Even though it's difficult for her to do it, I think it'll be benefit. You know what it reminded me of right away. So when I was in high school, I remember my freshman coach was giving me a heart. I was left, I'm left handed. So I had a tendency to always drive with my left hand. And like he was like getting on to me saying like, this will be your Achilles heel. This will keep you from being a starter if you

can't get your right hand to be as dominant as your left hand. So I remember like of course at home I'm playing with dribbling with my right hand time, but then I also started to eat with the opposite hand and brush my teeth with the opposite hand. Like now you're ambidextrous. Right, so I kind of am, right?

I'm not quite all the way there, but it made a huge difference by hand. And it was trust me, it was frustrating, you know, eating with the out and brushing your teeth. It felt really, really awkward at the beginning, but you'd be surprised how quick the body starts to figure it out. Like you stick to it long enough.

Well, bro, back in the day, might even have been as recent as when Doug was a kid. If you were left here. That's a long time. It's not recent. Yeah. Back when you went to school with Moses. No, back in the day, and again, it might not have been

that long ago, and I would love to hear Doug's opinion as if you were left handed, the teachers in school made you do everything with your right. When they slapped that hand, right? Yeah, well, no, they would just, no, you can't right with your left, that's wrong, you gotta do it with your right. And then the kids would learn, and they'd be totally fine.

Like you're possessed. Yeah. Did that happen when you were a kid? I don't recall that. Okay. Now, however, like scissors and things were always an issue for these kids. Yeah.

There wasn't anything for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But my pet, Teradactyl, though, was, that's a lot of cloth. That's cloth. And he didn't have any issues. He wrote it. He wrote it to school.

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