Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1739: How to Get Stronger in the Big 3 Lifts, Ways to Correct Knee Pain When Squatting, What to Do If Your Right & Left Side Don’t Match & More

Episode Date: January 29, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: One of the best treatments clinically proven to help with depression and anxiety is exercise. (4:02) The recover/maintain mentality for training athletes. (19:25) Mind Pump on their high school pictures. (26:46) Magic Spoon is here to help you make your protein intake. (32:05) A high school football update with Justin: Establishing a good offseason training program for his kids. (35:20) Actions speak louder than words. (40:46) At what point should the Government block monopolies from happening? (48:47) The word is out on Vuori. (54:36) Netflix may be falling behind the pack. (57:14) #ListenerLive question #1 – How can I get stronger in the big three lifts to benefit an upcoming powerlifting competition? (1:00:20) #ListenerLive question #2 – What are some ways to correct my knee pain when squatting? (1:12:31) #ListenerLive question #3 – What can I do when my right side doesn’t match the left side? (1:27:29) #ListenerLive question #4 – How would you train in-season versus off-season? (1:36:00) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] January Promotion (#1): NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTIONS SPECIAL BUNDLE OFFERS January Promotion (#2): MAPS Anabolic 50% off **Code “JANUARY50” at checkout** Mind Pump #1655: The Best Natural Treatment For Anxiety & Depression Strengthen your mood with weight training – Harvard Health Super Bowl-contending Buffalo Bills cut squats from their workouts during the season — and trainers say that may explain why they're the least-injured team in the playoffs Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! All-In Podcast E64: Antitrust standards & enforcement, tech repricing, lab leak obfuscation, E63 reactions & more Microsoft to buy Activision in $68.7 billion all-cash deal Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Netflix Stock Gets Pummeled, Closing At Lowest Level Since April 2020 After Disappointing Earnings & Wall Street Downgrades – Update Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP10” at checkout** MAPS Powerlift MAPS Fitness Prime Pro MAPS Prime Pro Webinar The SOLUTION to Knee Pain & Hip Pain (MIND PUMP) Luna Physical Therapy MAPS O.C.R. MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Chamath Palihapitiya (@chamath)  Twitter Ben Patrick (@kneesovertoesguy)  Instagram

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Then we got to the question. So the first person that called in was Carter from Kentucky. He wants to know how to get the big three lifts to go through the roof, squat, deadlift, and bench press. Then we talked to Rob from Florida. This person's got knee pain. It's preventing them from squatting. There's more detail in the question,

but we got to help them out. The third question was Jeremy from Oregon, wants to know what to do when his right side doesn't match his left side. So wanted to build some symmetry. Then we talked to Shane from Pennsylvania. Now this person competitive athlete wants to know the difference between training in season and training off season. What's the difference? Also, 72 hours left. That's only three days for the biggest maps, workout program sale. We've ever done in the entire history of Mind Pump. Huge promotion. We did it this year.

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Do you think this is a common knowledge? Yeah. I don't. I do not think, although it's becoming more common knowledge. You know, if you look at, and this isn't just my opinion, if you look at the data, look at anxiety and depression, for example, and we're talking about the most common forms, right, the kind of mild to moderate forms, because extreme forms,

that hold different category. But if you look at the data, when they compare the most effective prescription medications that we've had now for decades, right, like SSRI, you know, drugs or other drugs that are similar, and you compare them to consistent exercise. The effects on depression and anxiety are very similar in the short term. In the long term, they start to trend better with exercise,

and that's because exercise, you don't build up a tolerance to it, like you do with a medication, you tend to become more and more effective as you continue to do. In fact, if you could bottle exercise into a pill, it would be a block, there would be nothing like it in the world, it would be a complete blockbuster.

And it sucks that people only connect exercise to the physical effect. They just think it's work. Yeah, and it's the consistency really that provides a value. Once you really start to add that into your daily activities, your daily life, it's interesting to me because I look at it a lot like unused, unpotential used energy. And at the end of the day, like your body starts to kind of like, you know, get restless with that. If you're all in your head for too long, you kind of get into this loop that you can't really break out of.

Yeah, there's so much to impact there too. Yeah, it definitely improves your physical health, which will also improve your mental health. We know that those are strongly connected. But the process of exercise is very much an empowering one, Where you're out doing it and you're struggling and you're finding that you're able to stay consistent. Oh my gosh It's working look what I'm doing. I like this and I feel good about myself and it just gets better and better over the years And there's so much again. There's so much to impact there why why exercise is such an effective mental health tool and nobody really talks about it, right? Everybody talks about weight loss, looking better, you know, maybe some discussions around mobility

and movement and strength, which all great, all good. But I firmly believe the most profound effects that consistent appropriate, I have to say appropriate, right? Cause exercise can be abused just like anything. But the appropriate application of exercise by far is the mental health effects. And when I would train clients, it was the mental effects that you would see

and feel that were more profound. And those are the ones that people actually commented on that shocked them, that blew them away. Like, oh my God, I feel so good. And I feel so happy. And this is so weird. Or most of anti-depresspressant drugs aren't they? Their goal is really to make it so you don't have

like the high highs and the low lows it's just to keep your eyes on. Their goal is to keep you neutral. Subscribe, well to keep you taking them. Yeah, but like not to really feel like better necessarily but just not bad. Yeah, I wanna be very clear that the prescription drugs have a very, they have a place.

And I don't want to downplay them because I think that they, in many cases, they're lifesaving. Of course. But what I'm trying to say is that exercise, appropriately applied exercise, for many cases is so much better. And even if you're on medication,

it only will make it that much more effective. Yeah, why not do it both? will make it that much more effective. We're starting to see now that they're starting to visit exercise as a treatment for mental health issues. And we already see that, right? Psychiatrists and psychologists will already recommend that people exercise and move and do stuff like that. But it's not a part of the protocol. But with the clinical evidence, I believe that these clinics and therapists should, I think, a very effective strategy to partner with exercise specialists and say, look, here's a deal. We're going to do this with therapy.

We're going to do this with medication. And also, here's so and so, and they're going to help you with exercise and activity because in the studies, it's so effective. I think we're going to have to, when you look at, you know, we make that comparison about Wally, you know, we kind of like lightly joke about that, but there's some truth to the potential of us moving in that direction of like not having to move really

to get access, do everything you need to do, make money, whatever. So I think that it's gonna become necessary. I think we're in the middle of that transition right now, and maybe the pandemic accelerated that a little bit of people's awareness around why it's so important that you exercise. And I think we're gonna start to see that

over the next couple of years, more and more people. I mean, and look at these businesses, although, I mean, Peloton and them are tanking right now, but like you're at home fitness stuff that's becoming more popular and not like. Jim's are blowing up. Again. Are they still going, I was gonna ask you,

have you been following up on like your prediction on what's happening right now? I've talked to a few people that are in the industry. It's, and now it's hard to say because part of it could be that the market washed out a lot of competition. So whoever's left now is they are now own a larger piece of the market potentially. But you're seeing a surge, and I think part of it is because people are feeling really bad, worse than they have in a long time, and it happens so

fast, right? In a two-year period, our obesity rate accelerated to the point where we are at the point now with obesity where we would have been maybe in six or seven years at the pace that we had before. So it just sped up. And I think people are kind of like, I want to move. So now, will it stick? I don't know. That's the hard thing to predict. I hope it does, right? But I do think that, I'll speak personally. I think that, I'll speak personally. I battle with my own demons. I have ADD and I was in school, I had trouble sitting still and paying attention

and I can have my own paranoid and all that stuff. Exercise, and I've said this for so long and I tell us in my wife all the time, it's so therapeutic for me. I don't know where I would be. I could not imagine if I had, if for a month and a half, if I couldn't exercise at all. Like, I mean, you guys are looking at me,

and I know you're trying not to make funny faces. Could you imagine how I would be, if I had no, if I couldn't do anything for a month and a half? Yeah. It's so therapeutic to me. It's definitely necessary. Well, most likely you would seek out something else to, medicate.

Yeah, to medicate or fill that void. Which just happens, what's great is that if you do move in the direction of using fit health and fitness, although it can be dangerous in itself, or I shouldn't say dangerous, it could be unhealthy. It could be abused. Right, like anything, like anything else, at least on the way there,

it's, you're gonna get a lot of positive benefits from it, right? Because obviously there are people that are addicted to exercise and fitness and their body and looking at themselves that it starts to hurt or harm other parts of their life or people that are connected to them. But in the pursuit of that or in the process of that, there's a lot of positive health benefits that they get from it. Not only that.

Not only that. Yeah, and you're right, and anything can be pathologic. I don't care what it is. You can make anything pathological. But if you talk to anybody, and you're right, and anything can be pathologic. I don't care what it is. You can make anything pathological. But if you talk to anybody, and you guys know people like this, if you talk to anybody who's been doing it

for a long time, they went through that process and then came out of it. It's such a learning, it's the most underrated personal growth, vehicle I can think of. You know what I mean? Like it teaches you that you'll never be perfect.

That's an important lesson to learn, right? And it accept it. It teaches you that it's okay to fail. You're gonna, like you try any exercise you suck at it the first 50 times that you do. It teaches you not to compare to others. You have to. Yeah. Because, like I said, at some point you realize, like, oh yeah, I'm never gonna look like

Arnold did. Like I realized that in my late teens and then I accepted it and then continued. It teaches you to love your body because if you stick with it for 20 or 30 years, at some point you stop hating yourself because you're starting to enjoy the process. It makes you feel self-reliant and empowered. You're feeling empowered

because it's something you're doing for your own health and your own sanity and well-being. There's so many lessons, right? So it's just- You literally see progress happen right in front of your face. You do, and so it's just this very powerful mental health, personal growth vehicle, and it's almost never talked about in that way. And I feel like that's the angle that we should talk about it,

because I think if you set all of the value of exercise on weight loss and how you look, you're gonna set a lot of people up for early failure and then they'll get discouraged and they won't do it. But if you tell people, hey, here's how it's going to make you feel. Here's the positive mental health effects. They will feel that. They will see that. And then what will happen to the side effect is the fat loss and all that stuff. Do you foresee in the future more companies building health and fitness around

like their structure of your day at work, like starting the day off with like a half hour hour of some sort of physical activity before. We've already talked about like, what's this, I think they did this a long time ago, like the average hours that they had, the eight hour employee actually works in the day, it's like not even half.

So it's not like it would carve into their productivity at work, like we're oh, shoot, you got, we do an hour of fitness in the day. Now you no longer have enough time to write code or do whatever. It's like, they already are that unproductive as it is. And actually doing something that's physical like that, not only would we benefit them physically, but mentally and potentially, I mean, we know, I know, it's wondering when other companies will figure this out.

They'll be more productive. So at what point do companies start building that into their day? Yeah, you know what the challenger companies will be? They will, but the challenge with that is you're going to get pushback from people who are saying, I don't want to or. Yeah, I feel fat-chained or I'm not able to. You said that before, but I think, so I think if you give them the option and then you have you couldn't make it mandatory It has to be part of the culture. I know in Japan

And I know Doug maybe you can correct me. It was it's been a part of the culture for a long time that companies would have employees start the day off with Do some Tai Chi calisthenics and exercise. Yeah, right? Is that correct? That's correct Yeah, so I imagine that's so I imagine it would start in a place like that. So I don't foresee a Google or Facebook having a strength training workout for hour or four where you're gonna have a lot of people, oh, I have these injuries, these limitations, oh, I can't do it. Versus, we're gonna do something like meditative or walking.

Like imagine if it's just like every day, I mean, we do this, right? Off air, we talk about this where there's times where we get stuck and we'll just interrupt our day and go, hey, let's just go for a walk. And we find that so productive, right? Kind of clears our mind, gets us outside for a little bit. So what happens when you see, I foresee something like that. I don't foresee this, and maybe some company will take you to.

I'm saying, so let's work out. Right, so you're not going gonna get like the pushback of, if you could walk, walk, you should be able to do it in a structured way where we make sure, and I think just making sure everybody is walking for an hour every day, you'd be amazed on how much that will increase everybody's activity because very few people are even stepping

that much in a normal day. I know it makes sense, but I'm so jaded by the last few years of how pushed down like logical means of keeping you healthy, strong, resilient. Like we're just completely not even part of the conversation. Like we got a lot of work to do to get people off of farm as teeth. Yeah, but it's coming that way right now.

Don't you feel like, I mean, I think some people, but honestly the mass majority of people are still thinking that like taking pills is gonna solve. You know why? It's because it's a decision you have to make for yourself. Exactly. Because it's not a profitable message.

So if you're a politician or if you're a company that's selling a product, it is not profitable to sit there and say, hey, here's something you could do for yourself and it doesn't cost any money. I feel like it's only gonna take one big successful company to implement it and show positive returns for it to kick off, though.

I mean, look what happened when, and I don't know who did it first, was it Facebook or Google, when they started to disrupt the way your workspace was done? Now everybody does that. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. We did work. That was a big breakthrough.

It was a huge breakthrough. We did workspace a very traditional way for decades. Yeah. Decades. And then all of a sudden, a big company comes in and disrupts the way that landscape looks. That's a good point. And now everybody models it.

So all it's going to take is a Facebook, a Google, an Amazon, yeah, a leader in the industry that's already a successful company, to say, you know what, we're gonna take care of our employees, mental and physical health, and we're gonna start easy with something like, hey, every day, the way that your first hour looks,

is we go on walks or something. Maybe there's an intercom in 50 minutes. I don't know. I don't know, we're gonna do these stretches, and we're gonna do this. Right, I don't know exactly what it looks like, right? But I know. I know Virgin was like before all this stuff was really

making headway with that with a lot of corporate fitness initiatives and they're doing a lot of cool things. But yeah, I think, I mean, I hope you're right. Like I hope that there is like a shiny example of that. That's like a very much of a brand that everybody like recognizes and is sort of leading the way in terms of like, our employees are doing this. They're way more productive. They're, doing this, they're way more productive,

they're not missing any sick days, like all these benefits. The wild part is if you can improve it by one to 3%. Huge, huge savings. Huge savings. So that's why it kind of, the math definitely is in your service. And that's the question they serve. Right, so that's the point that kind of blows my mind

that the Amazon's a face with these companies that employ tens of thousands of people Haven't pieced that together. It's like we don't need it to be hell is successful Yeah, we just needed to change one percent of the lives that are out there and that makes a huge difference here I'll make it even more dramatic okay healthy people are more efficient they make different choices in the market So healthy people are more likely to buy and want products that serve their true health, which means you'll have more

innovation and more money going to those products versus products that Medicaid and distract and aren't good for us. Healthy people innovate better. So they're smarter. They innovate better. They solve better problems. Healthy people are less angry. They're less anxious.

So you have less actions that are related to anger and anxiety. Healthy people make less angry, they're less anxious, so you have less actions that are related to anger and anxiety. Healthy people make better parents, they make better partners. If right now I could snap my fingers and make everybody in America just healthy, you would see it would make such a profound difference. It would be massive.

I'm gonna go out and say, you don't even have to make them healthy. You just have to move them in that direction by a couple percent. Yeah, right? I mean, that in itself will have enough positive, you know, effects from it that I think will pay back companies, pay back people. I just, I don't know, I feel like we're right on the cusp of this like tipping revolution. Yeah. We're going to go that direction. It is. It is. It is. It is.. It is the stuff. Let me tell you, Doug. Sal, Andrew, could you, Souser Damos coming out

with the predictions? Adam and I were like, you know, the closing machines. Just threw that in there. That was a big book commercial. Yeah. No, it wasn't. By the way, you can get Sal's book in Amazon anyway. No, it wasn't.

You can, Amazon target. Yeah. Amazon home. Anyway, hey, I got some, I read an article on, on the football. On the football. Yeah. By the way, I know you didn't watch it, but some of the games, some of the best, some of the best sports ball happened this weekend. All the everything from Friday's Warriors,

dramatic finishes to Sunday, Sunday night Warriors game and everything in between was just, and I don't even watch the UFC fights, which I heard were good to So explain this to me. So I don't watch everybody knows I don't watch traditional sports or we care But when I was a kid in the 80s, I was a big 49er fan and they're If this and they make it they made it the semi finals. Yeah, so now how are they looking? So it look good. Yeah, they look good. I mean our offense Didn't do a whole but defense came to play. It was an amazing performance. We got some blocked fuel goal blocked.

Do we know who they're gonna play? Yes, the play that ramps. Bramps. Which is kind of, are the ramps for me because we've had their number, but it's like, do how many times you can have their number before they catch us? Wow, that's actually cool.

So it's gonna be LA versus San Francisco. Do we know who, who we know who the other championship? Yeah, the bangles versus the chiefs. Okay, so we have. That's a Cincinnati versus Kansas. Well, this is cool because California needs a win. So either the Rams or the 49ers are going to be super. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We do have a new cement giving us a win. No, we need a win, man. I mean, we got the Warriors. We've had the kids in hockey. So we've had it. It's California tends to be in the, we tend had the pat the kids in hockey so we've had they were California tends to be in the we tend to be in the run of something always are we were hosting the Super Bowl. Yeah, they didn't LA. Yeah, it's so fine. Yeah, I want to go to that stadium really bad

But I know what you're bringing up right now because I saw the same article and I think it was I Jack my house so excited I don't want to I don't want to wrap it up. I never talk about football. I saw one article. I can't wait to read it down. I can't wait to read it down. I'm going to go ahead. No, there's a whole article about the bills and how their strength coach takes squats out of their workouts in season.

So when they're in season, they're not doing heavy squats. And they are attributing that to the fact because they apparently. They're the Lee Sanjured team. Lee Sanjured team. And they're saying that's to the fact, because apparently... They're the Lee Sanjored team. Lee Sanjored team. And they're saying that's one of the reasons why. Right, which is kind of a duh. It is. Yeah, like we talked about this on the show.

And it doesn't mean that you have to, here's a thing too, that I want to get clear on this, because the article did, they're still deadlifting, they're still doing, so they're not training hard movements. They're still doing split stance squats and all that. Yeah, they're still doing, so they're not training hard movements. So they're like split stance squats and all that. Yeah, they're still doing other variations. It's just that heavy squatting can be very taxing on the body

and it's not advantageous to be doing that in the middle of your season. I learned this as a trainer early on training on your athlete. Yes, I remember learning this as an early trainer. I had another trainer that worked with me and he was, he trained athletes. And we had this conversation about how to train athletes that I had this kid hire me who was going to play, he was going to start playing football. So I say, hey, how do you, like, what's the deal with athletes?

And he goes, all right, so here's the deal. He goes, in off season is where you're building. That's where you're training heavy and hard and you're trying to get in season of the magic's there. In season, your job as a trainer is to prevent them from getting injured. Because they're already playing so hard that if you throw this approach where you're trying to build all this muscle and strength while they're playing, you're going to increase the risk of injury. There's a fine line with it too. I mean, because I've done seasons where we didn't do any workouts and, you know, at a certain point, you'd get guys that would start dropping

because of strengths would drop significantly. So you do have to incorporate some bit of resistance training, but it does really has to be more of a preservation mentality. Yeah, yeah. So you're covering, maintaining. Recovery, you're trying to keep those joints healthy. But like, I tended to do a lot more lateral training during season and I would, you're trying to keep those joints healthy. But like, I tended to do a lot more lateral training during season and I would try to make sure I'm mobilizing

my joints and keep that routine. So that way, I'm not, the impact itself was just so dramatic on our bodies out there. Very similar how we trained somebody in pregnancy. It's the same concept. You know what I'm saying? In season, you have the baby. Yeah, no, 100%. And at in season, you have the baby. Yeah.

No, 100%. At that point, you're trying to just maintain what they did, leave no- Health, yeah. Right, right, that's- You're not trying to hit PRs. No. Or change up the routine where we're doing

all these new things that your body's not used to. It's like, that's- You know what this- That's not the place to do that. You know what this reminds me of? It's like when we communicate to people about the rest of your life. And if the rest of your life is very stressful

and you're getting poor sleep and all that stuff, the last thing I do is throw super intense exercise at that. So like when we're talking about the bills, we're talking about the 1% of the 1% of genetically gifted athletes who do nothing but try to be better football players. And yet, they still have to be careful with their workouts in season. So you're talking about the average person who, you're genetics, nothing like there. When I see an article like that, I think the thing that's always interesting to me is

that it blows my mind that there's still a lot of professional athletes that are, that shitty coaches, trainers that are surrounding you. That like, that's like a duck. It's like, do you know kind of a club? It's like that, that article,, you're talking about the NFL, they should be so much further ahead than any of us as far as trainers. That's kind of common, if you're a good trainer,

it's kind of common knowledge. You know that when you're training. I feel like we know most the really elite world class trainers that are training these pro athletes. There's not a lot actually. It was actually kind of enlightening to see. Do you guys know the kind of controversy that happened back with Tom Brady

when he was with the Patriots and his trainer? So there was a lot of controversy around because he trains with a he has like a holistic coach who's about energy and mental wellbeing and how the synergy between that and his physical body and what stresses and so he does all that work and he's actually doesn't work with the the team's doctors the team's. He's got his own people. Now, isn't he older and he's in older place? He's like, bro, he's like, what he's doing at his age is unbelievable. Okay. And that's why

he won't break from it. He's like, what he's the in this guy's been with him for a very long time. But so what ended up happening was more and more players were wanting that. Well, yes, that's a problem. It's a business dude. Of course. And so it got to a place where the team wouldn't allow his trainer to his trainer used to be able to come in the locker room and do his rehab. It was on the side line with undermining their entire program. Yes, because it was doing that and was starting to get a pull in the locker room, they told him he couldn't come in the locker room anymore,

so he couldn't be on the sidelines anymore. So Brady used to have to do weird shit, like, fucking get his rehab done in like a closet. Imagine someone like him, like, yeah, they were like, what are they doing in the closet? He walks in the closet, they close the door and he comes out and he feels better. Yeah, I'm sure he's moaning in there. Yeah, oh, they were like, what are they doing in the closet? He walks in the closet, they close the door and he comes out and he feels better. Yeah, I'm sure he's moaning in there.

Yeah, oh, that's hard. But it's interesting that you, here you have at that high of a level, you've got the greatest of all time at his position and he has figured this out of like, wow, there is a better way to train the body for like, for a sport longevity and stuff like that. Yet it doesn't align with the current training regimen that these guys

are on. And so it's completely ostracized. No, can't have it in here. No, no, you can't do it. It's like, it's insane. Justin, when you said you did the, when you figured this out as an athlete with the unilateral and stuff like that, was that high school or college where you figured that it's so in high school you were doing the whole. We didn't know anything in high school. Yeah. Speaking of which, your guys that high school of college where you figured that it's so in high school you were doing the whole we didn't know anything high school did speaking of which uh your guys is high school graduation pictures uh actually can I say this right now you were by far the handsome is guy what do you talk with you still is what the fuck I have like so funny I I even remember you were handsome dude I saw a picture of like no hair for like the

job I probably look like a ambercrombie you know, just a little bit more masculine looking. Like a neo-Nazi ambercrombie. No. You can't shab'em around your waist. Like, because you had a shaved head. Yeah, you shaved head, I was like, I have no tan you do. You do not look like that then.

I feel like some people used to give me grief about that. I'm like, ah, no, I'm not that guy. It's from an athlete. My head doesn't fit my helmet. What do you get? What was your height and weight around that time? Do you remember? I was 185, 185, 6 foot.

Oh wow, so I was 6 foot, 195, how about you? So I was actually like a 5'11 or 6 foot and I was like one foot. Oh, you weren't even at your peak yet. Oh no, I grew out of high school. So I grew all the way till I was like 22-ish, I'd say. I kept going. You went through like a in-sync phase there.

Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. Oh, your hair? You know, everyone said that I hated in-sync though growing up. That was not a band I was into. You had top robin' hair. Yeah. Was that inspiration? So that was it?

Okay, so no, I never, I never dyed my tips. What that was is in sports, I shaved my head, and what, there was a couple of season where all the players we bleached our head. So we grew out that way. So it grew out that way. So I grew out that way. So I never, I've never bleached just my skin. A little bit of a timber lake.

I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I like the way it looked back then. That was a fucking popular show. It wasn't like, you know, but I mean, I didn't have, I don't have to, I don't have to, worse than the ladies who do. I didn't have to do anything. I go have a hairstyle as fucking tip my hair, dude like that.

So I, I did myself bleached my hair. Yeah, burnt my fucking scalp and did all that. And then it grew out. And then that's what it would look like when it would grow. Dude, I had my soul. The reason why I took a picture of that, so we're at my parents' house and we're having dinner, or whatever, my daughter walks over.

My mom has this shrine of her kids' high school graduation pictures. So my daughter walks up to it and she goes, you did have a ton of hair. Yeah, dude. So then she just make him fun of me the whole time, like, wow, and my son looks like, he's like, I'll hold her to you.

I'm like, like 18, he goes, you don't look like you're 18, like you're 30. So we're going back, but dude, I had hell of hair. You know why I don't think I'm bald, bro? Because I had hell, I think I would be bald if I had normal amount of hair. I had a lot of hair, bro, it's still. Did you have thick ass hair?

Yeah, I did. That was, I remember, like one of the things that, like, hair dressers and barbers and stuff, you said, man, your hair's so thick. I actually used to hate how thick it was. Me too. Because I used to get nappy and pale. Oh yeah, like, yeah.

Oh bro, I'd wake up in the morning. No, your son, your son, I looked just like your son. Did you? Yeah, your son and I, like his build, his hair, like, I mean, stylistically, things were into, totally different, but the way he looks was, I looked like that. No, dude, my hair was so big in the morning that I'd get up and I'd walk to the bathroom and I'd feel a shift

from side to side. Like the Tony Danza helmet hair. Hair. Hair. Yeah, so much hair. And then Doug, the picture he sent, and he said, he's got a little... He's got the... The irregly hair. Everything.

He was in high school and he drew mine in a cave. Yeah. Look just like me, though. That's so good. You know what? I bet you look almost identical to where you're in high school and he drew mine in a cave. Yeah, look just like me though. That's so good. You know what, I bet you look almost identical to where you're in high school, Doug. Did you not find one? Could you not find, did you look for one?

You know what, when I moved to Japan, I stored all my year books and everything with a friend. The idiot got rid of almost everything. Oh man, bummer. So I don't have any year books, anything from my... That's terrible. Yeah, that's horrible. That's stupid No, you guys posted that and I was like thankfully I was at my parents house

This is my dad's birthday were all there so I was like my mom like oh Russian like I have like a picture Like she's like he's excited that like anytime I have to like find some like random pictures I haven't seen that one of you. That's the first time I see that Yeah, I'm you know, I don't even know if I should bring this up because I will not provide a picture of this, but there's a picture of me. So my daughter was at my mom's house because my mom invited over to do some baking and it's really cute. They do, they'll cook together and stuff. So I go to pick her up and my daughter and my mom are going through all these old. My mom has so many photo albums that are just been around forever. So they're going through and I'm looking at them and there's this picture of me. I'm probably

So they're going through and I'm looking at them and there's this picture of me. I'm probably 20 maybe 19 and I have my shirt off and I'm posing next to my I don't know why my grandparents are next to me I'm flexing And it was it must have been one of the dirtiest bulks ever done my entire life I just look like a big meeple like just standing there, you know, and so my daughter looks at she goes what the hell dad? I'll do my best, you know? I've got this picture of us when we were, it's my best friend and I when we were, freshman year in college, so we're just at a high school.

So I'm into working out by this time. And our perception of how buff we thought we were, you know? And we were driving out in the country somewhere. For some weird reason, we thought it'd be cool to get out of our car and go take our shirts off and take a picture out like we're ripping the barbed wire fence. So there's this, I've got the plan. I like this big, hey bro.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to actually remember. Did we like dry, it's out in the middle of nowhere. I had this idea. He's like, hey listen, you know what it'd be sexy? Yeah, dude, it's had to be some stupid conversation like that. You know what'd be cool actually. Is it, how are you these pictures to be like? We're jacked, yes.

A burlala. Man, you sure your friend wasn't just trying to get you to get you to sure. Yeah, right, that's probably what's going on, right? Bro, you should take a picture naked. Yeah, that one's really good. Sun's not hitting your ass, got some oil. Oh, man.

Hey, wait a minute. Anyway, dude. Yeah, so, so, you know, you guys know, it's. Anyway, dude. Yeah, so you guys know, so that picture, I mean, I told my daughter, I'm like, I was trying to put on weight, that's why I look like a big one. She's like, well, you're eating a lot more now, which is true, I am.

But you know, it's hard. Getting the amount of grams of protein is very, I'm starting to track a little bit. Holy cow, it's hard, because I'm trying to eat 200 grams of protein a day. That's, it's a lot. Bro, I have to eat 50 grams of protein four times in the day. You know what's funny to me?

Is when people concentrate on it, it's a monster. It's a lot, dude. It's people who think, because I always get this with clients, and there's someone I guarantee listening right now, like, oh, I get plenty of protein. I love meat. I eat lots of meat, you know,

so I don't need to track, just see what happens. Yeah, cars are easy. Track for one, and here's the thing, day in and day out. Like, you know, maybe I don't need to track, just see what happens. Tracks are easy. Track for one, and here's the thing, day in and day out. Like, you're maybe, maybe you have a day where you hit 250, because it was just like a real crazy, heavy meat day, and then the next day, you have no appetite. Yeah, you'd be so surprised on how,

how few of people, especially when you get to like the size, you're at we're over 200 pounds, and you're trying to get 200 grams of protein, consistently hit that. It was one of the single most important things that I kind of figured out on my fitness journey was, wow, not only do I grossly under-consumed protein, but I'm very inconsistent when I actually do. So even when I kind of do it, I don't hit it. Yeah, because when I, no, as I started to really kind of pay attention, when I'm eating high protein, I'm hitting 150.

I'm like, dude, I'm 50 grams below that. So I'm trying to figure out what to do. I'm throwing shakes in, this and that, and then, obviously, this is one of the reasons why I think magic spoon or one of our sponsors, so valuable. Here you are, I would have loved just the nagging corbri. Young, teenage or 20-year-old guy.

Where are you gonna get a cereal that tastes like fruit loops? Yeah. That you're gonna eat a decent bowl and get 40 grams of way protein. Let's be honest, you're gonna eat it in the morning and you're gonna eat it at night. Totally. That's just a nice treat, but yeah, you're able to get more protein that way.

Here's how I would do it, right? I would eat my normal meal and then I'd say, I'm off by 15 or 20 grams. Small bowl. I'm magic. Well, that's how I use it even now. Like if I'm right now, I'm not tracking, I'm like my protein intake, like I probably should be. But when I was competing and I was tracking everything, like I would eat my meal and

then that was like my dessert because it's so easy, it's so palatable and tastes so good. And it was my replacement of my sweet tooth for things like ice cream. And it was like, instead, I'm gonna get this 40, 50 grams of protein after I just had a full salt mill. It was like the way I guarantee you. This actually is kind of a bummer because I just did this whole like speech for the high school football team.

I just started up their workouts again. And I was trying to talk to them about, you know, hitting that one-to-one sort of ratio of protein and how difficult it is. And was just talking about you know all the whole food sources and kind of going through the list and you know protein powders that you could probably get from but you know high school kids come on. Seriously spoon it be easy.

Dude what I mean why am you asked to do that? I know you took the protein power to them but you should we have probably 50 boxes. So go bring every box for every kid. No this is what I want wanna introduce it at least. This is what I was talking about. I was telling Justin because he's the coach, right? How cool would it be if he brought you and me in there? And all we did is talk about mass and strength building.

We could bring boxes of cereal for the kids at the very end, but we could talk to him about this. Are you guys meeting already? Yeah, I just started. So I had the banquet Sunday. And last week I started testing them out. And so today it was a very first implementation of the new program that's gonna go all the way

into the summer. Now I wasn't sure you were gonna come back or not. Were you on the fence back and forth? I felt like you weren't for sure gonna do it. Yeah, well I didn't wanna overextend myself. I got a lot to contribute and try to manage between my family, the business, and I just, I didn't wanna like, overcome it.

And so I was like kind of back and forth, but this year I'm like, I really wanted to establish a good offseason training for the kids. So I put a lot of work into that. So that way, it's like basically something I can hand off. And I have like the athletic director. It's great. They do like a zero period.

So he actually runs them through weight training anyway. And I talked to him about it. And so he's running my program with these kids. Oh nice. And I'm coming. Whenever I can, I'll show up in the morning. And so I want to establish it the first few weeks, especially, and then we're gonna be test them out.

We're gonna be keeping them consistent. So, we were flying, we were looking over that. Have you implemented that? Is it going? Yes, so now we just started our first, and it's all, like it's great, because first, and so I took your advice too. So we're doing like two isometric heavy days

for Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We're doing more of a dumbbell unilateral type of a workout. So that way, did you look at it? I did. Yeah, it's really. Yeah, that was my one little critique. I mean, I thought the programming was perfect on it. And what I was like, you know, isometrics for a kid

for, you know, three or four weeks consistently with no traditional weight training. I'm like, not that it is incredibly effective and smart. I was like, I think you just interrupting that with like some- Mentally really is. Yeah, mentally, and that way too, they can actually see how it's translating into

like their regular training. Like, oh well, I'm getting better these movements. That's a good call. Yeah, the thing about isometrics too, is that the strength gains come fast and furious, but then they start to plateau, and unless you also incorporate some full range of motion. Well, that's a great combination.

Yeah, I killed a couple birds with a stone this way because there's a lot of imbalances to address, and it's like I can take time by like going around, and while they're struggling in like 10 to 15 seconds of, you know, hell by, you know, adjusting their form and their posture with it. That's so awesome. Yeah.

Okay. You guys saw that clip. I sent you guys of the, it was like a pro soccer player in Europe. I got to find it. And he was getting interviewed and they surprised him with, and the reason why I'm bringing this up, by the way, is because, you know, you don't have to coach these you don't have to coach these kids. You're doing this because you find value in end. And this is so valuable to kids. This kind of leadership and having someone there who's like a mentor. And reminding me this clip, or there's this pro football soccer player, sorry. And the reporters surprised

him by bringing one of his English teachers from high school. And he had talked about how this English teacher literally had such an impact on him that it kept him in school and kept him focused. So this man shows up and he's by this point, the teacher now that- You should show that to me and try and make me cry. Yes, I didn't see it.

Oh, bro, it made me walk Tyra. Oh, really? He walks up in this guy. It's a real touching video. Yeah, he's like a pro soccer player, obviously very wealthy, whatever. And then income's this 77 year old man. And he looks at him and they'll look on his face

and he goes, oh my God, you're still alive because he was a long time ago. He goes, absolutely. And then that said, he loses. He starts tearing up, starts crying. And he's like, you change my life and this and that. Like the impact, one teacher can't. It would be kind of cool actually if each of us

picked one of the teachers. Because I can think of like one teacher that made that impact on me. Like we're like it shifted, I think. I think I pick a few that had a negative impact. Well yeah, that's not the idea of this exercise. But how cool would that be actually for us to each reach out?

I have no idea where she's at or I don't even know if she's still teaching now or it means been so long, right? Well, say your name or no. No, I won't say her name until I can figure it out. So why don't I track her down and see if we can find her. But I think that would be kind of cool if we shared that. Be kind of cool to call them or say something like nice about them.

Honestly, this program is what saved me is a high school kid. So that's what had the most impact on me over any teacher that I had. And it was just because of the headspace that I was in, the anger issues, and just everything that I was fighting internally, and it was just such an outlet for me, and such good role modeling for me to understand what it was even to be a man,

and to take care of people around me, and always pay attention to those little things. Those little things add up. How you do something is how you do everything. It's basically what I learned going through the program is just handling everything and owning up to it and having responsibility over it. Was this during the times when you were struggling with your sexual identity? That time we're definitely thought about a lot of weird things. And this is what you're trying to do. The helicopter.

Lots of pictures in your sky. A lot of dick things going on. Inanimate objects as attracted to is weird. Weird times. You're gonna make your way through. What do you guys have such a big shimball? He's thinking of weird times, I'll get you out of this one. They tried this, this is a weird time. Hey, do you listen to all in? The tramoth is, oh, it's a, man.

I'm so disappointed in our guy, bro. Yeah, I think he kind of stood his ground, but he also kind of, no, he did it. He powered a little bit. Now, standing his ground would have been, fuck all y'all. Listen to the whole show. Don't take a 10 second clip of what I said and take it out of context to try and crucify me.

And not to mention the guy who has. No, he has time for context. He's a special guy like that who is like, he has, I mean, his family can relate to a lot of that. You know what I'm saying? It's not like he's like numb to that. It's not like this super privileged person that everybody can crucify.

I don't know what, dude. As I was listening to it, I was getting so heated, right? And I'm speaking up for whatever was all mad. And I was in the car of my son. And so my son, he was listening to something else and he turns it off and he's like, what's going on? Why are you so mad?

And so I'm like, you know, I said people confuse. They think that like things like love and care and whatever is feelings. I said, it's not, it's actions. It's not feelings. If you really want to see what people care about, don't ask them what they care about, watch their actions. That will tell you what they actually care about. Because people love to say that it's, I know, I hate to use this word because everybody uses it but it's virtue signaling oh I care about X I care about the climate do you really really pursue the of awareness yeah I care about this I care about that your

actions tell you like ask anybody do you care about your health and everybody will say yes look at their actions and you'll know we have plenty of awareness or people say oh I love so and so, oh, but you abuse them and you don't take, like that's not love. Like it's all about actions. And what he was saying on there is people don't care. They say they do, but if you look at their actions,

they're full of shit. Everybody wants to act like they care because they want to virtue signal to everybody. And he's being, it is so true. That is so, so true. And the problem is, is that what happens with the feeling thing that everybody falls in love with, oh, I feel particularly, and they don't want to do anything,

is we end up passing policies that feel good, but we don't pay attention at all to the consequences. It feels good to pass the policy. For example, they were talking about the Uighurs in China and okay, well, and he was saying basically, it's below my line, mainly because he has no way to impact it, and what his impact, the real impact he has is on other things.

So that's where he's placing his, you know, what he calls care, which is literally his action. And then they were arguing and say, well, what should we do? Go to war, like stop trading with China. Here's the harsh truth. The harsh truth is things are very complicated. And if we trading with a country like China

that we may not agree with all the time, is one of the best ways to prevent war and one of the best ways to prevent, just terrible things from happening. The Soviet Union and the US were so close to war many times, precisely because we didn't trade with each other, like we do with China. So things are never black and white

and we need to pay attention. And also, stop saying you care about shit when your actions don't show it, because it's fake, it's not true. The truth of that, here's the truth, I'm gonna be honest. Here's what I care about, my family, my friends, my business, and then it starts to spread out and my care starts to happen less and less.

So you tell me about some, I'll feel bad, but do I really care about a city in America somewhere else? Well, no, no, my actions show that I actually care about the people around me, and I'm just being honest. This is just how it is. Well, I think Sacks hit it right on the head when he's, when that's exactly what he said, he said the reason why so many people were triggered

is because Tremont struck a chord. Yep. You know, it stung a little bit because there was a lot of truth to it. And it wouldn't have, it wouldn't have stung so bad if it wasn't true. People would just, ah, whatever,

he's full of shit, some billionaire talking shit. But the fact that it upset so many people just highlights that it's an issue. That's how most people actually feel based off of their actions what they do. I was disappointed in the apology. I hate when we give in to the mob.

I hate what I mean, and that's just simply for that. Not that could he have set it in a more politically correct way. Could he have been more sensitive? I'm not saying that he couldn't have been. I don't know what I'm saying, but what I cannot stand is this that we all just submit to the mob as soon as they come after. And who is the mob? The mob is a bunch of people on social media that want everybody

else to think that they're so good, that they care so much and they're so enraged. When if we had the ability, I wish we did, I wish we had the ability to identify each and one of these people and go through their life and point out to them how full of shit they are. Everybody would shut the hell up if we were able to do that. And it's just interesting to me that whatever the situation is, like there's so many different things that around the world globally that are atrocities and things that we could like really hyper focus on.

It's like whatever's in the media tends to be like, everybody's like, I can't believe you're not behind this cause. I'm behind this cause and I'm still focused on this. Like why are you deterring me from making an impact and a difference here by just inundating me with a million other problems? It's, again, you gotta look at the controllable. Well, you can never win.

No. No, it's this. I mean, I don't care. I don't care if you're helping out the hundred different countries and you're working towards fixing all these issues. There's still one you're gonna miss. There's always gonna be one that you're not helping

or you're not putting any focus on. Does that make you a bad person? Like, no, I don't think so. It's like when you see a billionaire who donated $10 million to a charity and then you have people go, oh, he's got billions of dollars. He only didn't donate to 10 million.

I'd like to see your bank account how much you donated. You might only have a thousand dollars but I bet you didn't donate 10 or one, right? It's the hypocrisy that's so annoying to me. And we have to look at the consequences of our policies. I'll give you guys a really good example. Okay, here's a great example. I think we can all agree in here that 10

year olds should not be working in factories. Okay, I think that's, I don't think it's very, I don't, there's not very many people that would think that that's a good idea. I don't know if they choose to. Well, I mean, I'm being serious. At 10 years old, I was trying to work. No, no, I got you. So let me keep going. I think, I think I think if you went into, and you saw factory, bad conditions, much 10 year olds working, like, man, that sucks. So let's say we go to a third world country, you know, here we are, America, powerful and rich, we go in there and we say, oh, all these 10 year olds and these factories, they shouldn't be working.

So then the politicians are like, here's a feel good policy. We're going to ban those factories and we're going to use our force and strength to make it happen. And it sounds good and it feels good. So we do that. But then let's think about, we have to think this through. We're the consequences.

I already know what's the unintended consequences. Now you've got a bunch of 10 year olds selling their bodies on the streets. And in thanking. Or what if half of those 10 year olds are one of five kids that all have to work to help the family survive and feed and put food on the table. And now you've just pulled 15% or 20% of their weekly income at the same time.

Listen, my dad started working after second grade. And it wasn't because they were poor. If you made it illegal for him to work, it would have been so much worse. Now, I'm not saying it's a good thing. All I'm saying is things are very complicated. Yeah. And we have to look at the consequences. We can't pass things because they play it all the way out.

You gotta say, okay, I know that feels good, but let's look and see what will actually happen. And we make, like for example, we could put our foot down and be like, China is communist, they don't believe in the same ideals, they're doing all this bad stuff. We're gonna ban all trade with China. Okay, what are the potential consequences of that?

You are 10 steps closer to armed conflict. And the fact that we trade with each other actually makes creates more wealth for poor people that actually does. And so it's like, okay, well, how can we do this in a way that's smarter and not just feel good? So it's just complicated, but we want to virtue signal so bad, we want to make everything so black and white,

it doesn't work that way. We have to be sure. You know what else is really complicated? That they got into, I don't know if you got into it on the show, how far did you get? Did you get to where they're talking about the monopolies and what's going on with it? No, I didn't.

Microsoft and Activision and stuff. Oh, so that's really interesting. Did you guys see the news on that? That Microsoft just acquired Activision? Really? Activision is the ones who, I mean, they're gaming. Yeah. Yeah, they have Call of Duty, the right? So that. They have Tony Hawk I mean, they're gaming. Yeah. Yeah. They have a Call of Duty. The right. So that we have Tony Hawk.

Yeah, they have a bunch, right? So they, but Call of Duty is the big one, right? Call of Duty is got maybe Doug can look up how many subscribers or how many people play the game Call of Duty. Um, but it's like, you know, I think it's like 50 million or more. And that they are now acquiring Activision, which will they'll now get all those people. And so the conversation they're having is like, when do you block these acquisitions because they are taking their dominions so much very similar to when Facebook bought Instagram,

I don't think they realize what that was allowing Facebook to do to get in every, because Facebook had everybody on desktops, but they didn't have everybody on their phones. And Instagram basically allowed them because everybody who has a phone is also practically on Instagram. And so now they've captured that.

So it does, and I was listening to go back and forth. And I don't even know where 100% where I stand on like, how much the government should intervene and block monopolies to have. I have a very strong opinion about that. My opinion is, so long as there's no hard government barriers to enter the market, you, if a company owns 70% of the market, which is what they would consider a monopoly, because there is no pure monopoly. Only pure monopolies that exist are markets where the government

uses their force and says no one else can compete for example post office or creating our currency. Like there's a monopoly for dollars, right? The central bank makes it, right? So if there's no market barriers from the government and a company owns 70% because they're doing a damn good job and because we want them to own 70% in the market. So I have no problem with that. The problem is when there's a company that owns a big share and then to enter that market,

there's such crazy insane regulations, which are typically put in place. Now, the other argument on the other side of that, that someone would say is that, well, now this company that has this monopoly, has so much control, they have control of price, they have control of the labor market related to that, they can all of a sudden boost everybody by 20% up,

and nobody, there's no problem. They can, and guess what? And if any competitors even came close to starting to come up, they could acquire them and squash them. So, theoretically, but it doesn't happen. So, if you look at the Fortune 500, how many companies in the Fortune 500 were there 20 to 30 years ago? Very small percentage, right?

My space at one point, owned social media, obviously they're totally gone. Blockbuster, owned video. So if you had a company that had 70% market share, My space at one point owned social media, obviously they're totally gone blockbuster. Yeah. So if you had a company that had 70% market share, and then they acted like this evil, you know, this fake theoretical person is like, we're gonna double the price of everything because we can, because we own,

you'll create a market pressure that will just bring in new competitors. So at what point do you think government comes in and should block monopolies? I don't think they should ever. They won't exist. I think what government should do is protect its citizens. So make sure a company maintains its integrity.

If that's what we have the courts for. If they lie, if they rip you off, then you're definitely screwed. But if a company's doing well, and there are low barriers to enter that market, that means that the consumers are saying, this is who we want. And like I said, you won't find a 100% market share ownership of a company in a market like that.

You only find it if it's illegal to compete against them. And that's, government can only do that. Only government can make it illegal through fines and legislation. Yeah, I think so many people think that they're so bad because we were so anti-capitalists and we think that everybody's evil that has these big massive companies.

But the truth is, many times, if not all, most times, the consumer is the one that wins out of this. You're using the example of Disney Plus, right, with Marvel and Star Wars. And because they own the rights of all of that, which is arguably creating a monopoly on all these very popular segments, now they all own. But as a consumer, now I'll have to just go to Disney and I have access to all of it, versus if Marvel had its own streaming service and then I had also had to go to Star Wars

and get my, so now because Disney owns all that, it allows me to. Do you remember the net neutrality debate? Yeah. So we actually recorded podcasts discussing this a while ago. And you can go back and see that what I said was exactly right. Everybody said, if we don't have these net neutrality laws, these big companies like Verizon or whatever, they're going to raise their prices and do this and create monopolies. Guess what's happened since then?

Way more. First of all, efficiency, services, products, everything's exploded. So it just doesn't work out that way. It's not a pipe dream. It's like a pipe nightmare that they try to sell you. Well, in the acquisition, usually isn't very successful anyways. Yeah, you know, like 75% fail. Yeah, so it's not a real valid strategy for these big companies to acquire a lot of these up and coming. So there is always going to be competition.

Like you said, there will be signals for things that people want, something different. They'll come up and put like, or that what Snapchat didn't, they held out and they didn't get acquired. They had many offers and didn't. And so you'll see, I don't know, I think it's just sort of self-regulating. Yeah, it does. And unless again, there's a law or there's laws that say you can, for example, in California, there's laws that like I have to work with PG&E, so I'm screwed. Well, that sucks. Yeah, that's a monopoly, right? And now if they said, no, anybody, you can work with me. I still feel like it's finities a monopoly, a comp cast. We need more competition.

Yeah, but look what's happening's happening, we need it. Streaming has come along, it's gonna put those guys at a business and they don't get their shit together. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm beautiful. It's been disrupted like crazy. Now it's an interesting thing to kind of chew on a little bit. Speaking of disrupting, when's the last time you guys went up

to Santana over here and went to the jewelry store? Do you know I haven't been to Santana a while. So I've been up there now a couple of months ago. Okay, I went every time I go, I always pay attention because Viori is one of our partners. And they're right, almost across the street from Lululemon, which is a beautiful store. Which is like their competitor, right?

Yeah. And the last, every time I've gone, Lululemon slow as hell. Viori, full of people. Oh wow. Oh yeah. Words out, dude. So I wonder if it's that, or there's something about the newness, right?

If it's the new kid on the block and so people are all curious about it, or I wonder if they are, they really started to chip into their market. Bro, they're exploding. Their growth is ridiculous. I would like to see their pace of growth. Now it's hard to compare,

because Lulu's so big that, once you get to a certain size, it's hard to grow at the same case you did before. Well, yeah, Lulu just did move with a mirror, right? So yeah, they acquired mirrors. So they've got, now they're going that direction also, so that's going to be here. But yeah, when I go in there sometimes, and then I'll say hi to the staff or whatever and I'll see people, and people will tell me, oh, I used to get Lulu, now I just come

to Fury, it's so much better. Well, I mean, anecdot totally, I've heard a lot of women converting more. So because I feel like that was like the big step for going from Luley lemon, mainly for women because it started out, they were very focused on leggings and all that, but I've heard from a lot of them, they prefer Viori now.

Yeah, well, Viori did the reverse, right? So Viori focused on men first, and then tackled the woman market, and Lulie, the opposite, they focused on women first and with that, which at what a brilliant strategy for Viori instead of like trying to go straight at the monster, handle what they're great at first, they go in the back door and go like,

oh, you guys did a pretty bad job with men, so we're gonna crush it with men, and then we'll back door you with a woman. Which honestly is harder. Well, I don't know, the female markets so much bigger and they're such a, they're actually there. Yeah, I would make the case of that. They're the biggest consumers. But you're also going after the the leader in that space. So I think that was a strategy. I mean, it was a smart move. I actually just saw they had this vest. I think it's called Echo Something that I wanna get. That's on my list. It's like a padded like a... You saw that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep the chest warm in the arm. Yeah, it's gonna say, you have to use arm muscles to hold, you know. Breathe in from there. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was trying to get one of those atlas jackets

I like those, it's a pretty dope. You got the flannel from there, right? I still haven't bought their flannel yet. I wanna try their flannel. Was that a couple different flannel? They're great, yeah, actually. They held out for a while and I kept hammering them. You guys gotta get a flannel yet. I want to try their flannel. Was that filled with their flannel? They're great. Yeah, actually, they held out for a while, and I kept hammering them.

You guys are going to get flannel. You know, that's my thing in finally come out, but it's really nice. Like, they did a quality job of it. You know, we were talking about the streaming stuff. If you guys watch with the stock market right now, it's crazy, right? Oh, it's down.

And Netflix, Netflix came out and talking about their growth that they're just not going gonna be able to keep up with what their growth was been like the last five, six years, coming out immediately and saying that and their stock is like tremendously down right now. Everything's down. They just, you know, the one thing that they didn't do, like at one point you capture a big bulk of everybody

who's like streaming and they got them all and it's like, Well, it's still competitive now. Yeah, well, he's trying to keep them, which is more difficult That's just it and that's what they were saying is one of the hardest things for them is to keep people entertaining and stay there like they are They came up against the poster at yeah, they came out so strong with all this incredible Content for relatively

No, they had nobody competing with them. Yeah, and now you got all they have competitors And they and they really haven't branched anywhere else. They're not into gaming, they're not doing anything else as far as like other avenues for them to monetize, like selling merch off of that. Like this is a conversation that guys on all in got into also one of the guys brought up some great points. It's like it's crazy. They haven't thought of like white like stranger things, right? Streaming one of the most viral like series that was on there that like how silly is it that when you're watching that like afterwards you don't get hit with a thing for like oh by the merch like a t-shirt stranger stranger stranger things or if you're streaming like your favorite show that they're not also hitting you with merchandise.

That would be brilliant. Of course it would be. You feel like under after TV. Of course it would be. Oh my god that's brilliant. I know it's he brought it up and I'm like that's so true like why they would have got me Yeah, 100% Wow, and you Star Wars because you're more a fan of that like imagine you just bought finished bubble fat and all these like get your new Boba Fess cereal bulge. Oh, yeah, limited limited edition collector. Whatever thing. There's only a thousand of them or what and they hit you with it like get your new Baskar pants or whatever that the new is a best car hits you with it like gets a new basketball pants or whatever that the best car is a best car. Yeah, it's laser proof. Yeah, you have to make sure.

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So first off, I want to say thank you all for everything you do. I've been listening to you all for about three to four years now. I'm a personal trainer and nutritionist and I'm a little over one year into my career and you all have helped me tremendously. I have all of the maps programs pretty much and I use those for my clients and myself and they've gotten tremendous results with those. So just to give you all a little background, I've been training for around five years consistently and this year I would like to do my first powerlifting competition utilizing the Maps Powerlift program. So my

question is, could I possibly implement skills sessions kind of similar to the ones in the Kettle Bell for aesthetics program to kind of increase my volume and frequency with the deadlift squat and bench for extra practice? I would implement these on the three non-lifting days during the Maps PowerLift program. And would that give me any extra benefit?

What kind of load would you recommend? And how would that kind of help me? Yeah, what a great question. That's a good question. So have you done Maps PowerLift? This is going to be your first time. I have. I've been in the before and test. You have done it before?

I have. Yes. How did it workifters? It can be a first time. I have I've been in before in the past. You have done it before? I have yes. How to work for you? It ain't great. I increased my Warner at max on my deadlift by around probably 90 pounds Yeah, about 10 to 20 pounds and squat probably around 40 to 50 pounds. That's excellent. So now what makes you feel like adding extra stuff will make it more effective?

I feel like the extra practice would be great. So kind of similar to how sports has skills practices. Like I used to play basketball for example. So we'd have practices before games that would walk through like drills and things like that. And then we'd have like free throw skills practices, three point shooting practices. So kind of just to give me extra practice

with the lifts itself and really dial in my technique. Yeah, you should note, did you notice that he put 20 to 30% of one rep max, which I think is, I mean, to me, that's the move here. And I think his application is brilliant the way he's thinking. Yeah, I'm managing the intent. My advice would be different if you had not done maths, power lift, because what I would have said then, yeah, I guess would have been run through it first and then see how it

works for you and then start to modify it based off of your individual body and results and how your body works. So I think this is okay. Is it going to improve your progress or speed up your progress? I'm not sure. So my advice is going to be do it because you've done it before. You've got some experience. But pay attention to how you feel if you notice that even at that low,

low that it's maybe reducing your ability to recover because mass power lift is all ready, programmed and planned out. Then I would take them out. Now, I'm going to bet that it will probably be okay. I think it might help, just with your skill and your technique in each of the lifts, which is I think what you're asking about. Here's something cool, by the way, a little side note. They've done studies on athletes where they'll have them,

for example, as a free-throw study, where they had athletes just go through a free-throw in their mind versus athletes actually practicing a free-throw. Now the people practicing the free-throw did better, but the people envisioning the free-throw did way better than people who did none of either one. So that's another thing that you can do that really doesn't take away from your potentially take away from your ability to recover. You're not going to get any overused injuries. Just by going through lifts in your mind, envisioning how it feels, what it looks like. It makes a big difference based off of the studies that I've seen. But I would say experiment with this,

but pay close attention because what you don't want to do is get trapped in the cycle of, well, I'm doing this even though I'm not progressing, I'm going to stick to it. So you've got to be ready to switch gears if you need to. Yeah, you've got to definitely manage appropriately the intensity. So I'm glad you're already thinking in 20 to 30% kind of range. However, this might actually affect your other workouts as well. Having increasing the volume there and the frequency, you know, it may start out as a good thing in terms of, you know, you being more, being able to get into the groove, you know, more effectively,

you know, your technique might improve, actually, technique will definitely improve if that's the focus of it in the intent. I would just really, really be honest with yourself and see if you are progressing or if you're not. And so that's definitely like intensity wise, you know, something you might need to adjust even with your regular work. Is this a raw competition or is it equipped? I would most likely be using a bell, these sleeves and wrist wraps. So, uh, raw, yeah. Okay, so here's another thing I would do on these practice sessions.

I would literally practice with the 20% to 30% load, okay. I would practice like you're in the event. So while you're in there and vision, you're on, you're all, you're ready to perform, getting into position, you've got the belt, the wrist wraps are there because the goal, based off of what you're telling me, incorrect me if I'm wrong, the goal is for you

to really perfect the technique in the form for your performance on, you know, game day, so to speak, right? So I would treat it like the competition with that light load, get into position and vision yourself, people watching you, you got the judges, you're in position, get real comfortable with all the equipment that you'll be using,

you're positioning. You know, get as close as you can to the competition itself. That should, that could squeeze out a nice, you know, few percentage more increase in your performance. Listen, Carter, you sound like a smart guy. I love this. I think you're on the right track.

I think the way you even presented it in the full written question with the idea of going at 20 to 30% your load. You've already ran through PowerLive so you know what type of gains you should expect and how you should feel. So if you're overreaching or doing too much, you're probably gonna know better

than somebody who's never ran the program. You've got a training background. You've been an athlete before and you've applied these principles in basketball and seen probably your skills get better. I 100% think squatting and deadlifting is major technique. Most of the gains I've got over the last five years in those lifts, it's been because of the technique, not because I've built a bunch more muscle since then. It's just been getting better and better the technique. And if you, like Justin was saying, if you're

intent of going into those extra workouts is set like that, that I'm not here to work. Yeah, crush it. Which, you get it because you've done this in basketball in the right mindset. Right, when you did free throws and practice your three ball on those skills days, I know you weren't running lines and killing yourself.

Like, that's not the idea of that practice. So you get it. That's the the idea of that practice. So you get it. That's the same concept here, and I love this. I think you're a perfect person to play with this and apply it because you've already been through it, and you have the knowledge and the background. So go for it, and I'd love to hear what you have. Yeah, I'd love the feedback as you go through this too. And also to even consider some of the sticking points is where we can work on addressing those

types of things. And place deficit deadlifts or do things where if that initial bit of force is the problem to get it off the ground or whatever position it's in, really hyperfocus into those sticking points. Definitely. So would you all do a one day, two day, or three day kind of approach to this? Or would you do a squat bench deadlift just for this specifically, just really light load? Because it's practice, and because it's technique,

and this is your first powerlifting competition, I would make it look like the competition itself. So which lift goes first? I'm not familiar, right? So squat. Right, so would you do the competition itself. So, which lift goes first? I'm not familiar, right? So, right. So, do you do the squat deadlift bench or the squat bench deadlift? How do they do it?

The squat bench deadlift with three attempts each. There you go. So, I would practice in that order and do the, and practice each of them each time because the idea is to get better at those lifts with your technique. Okay, yeah, thank you. No problem. Thanks for calling in.

Yeah, thank you all. Such a great question. I love the way he set the table. I couldn't help, but I was laughing over here when you were giving the, I'm familiar with the study you were talking about, where you did. Because all I'm picturing is somebody standing over a barbell, but not doing anything in this visioning,

how ridiculous, like that is, like it's seriously, I get the point, like of that. Well, my goal was to say besides this, also go through your head. I get what you're saying, but I couldn't help but think of like a kid hearing that advice and going like, okay, well, Salsa's I don't need to do it. I'll just think about it. I'll just think about it in the couch. Yeah. It sounds ridiculous. I wish it was that easy.

No, but it plays a big role. No, I mean, if you're a fan of sports, you know this. They talk about this a lot, especially now. We're there now, right? We've realized how important your mental state is and the ability to see yourself making the shot before you shoot the shot and things like that. So I told you the elite athletes. Yeah, totally. I totally you know that actually like I don't know if I told you guys

this, but like what's something that Curry did in the last year is like they they shrank the size like a shot rim. Yeah, for him to be it has to be a perfect shot and how it goes through. That's great. And he envisions like this, you know, nothing but net shot or what's more. Hitting the rim is a fail. Right. And so he just practiced it. Wow, that's really good. Does mental exercises with that, like the effort

that he puts to being the greatest shooter of all time is great. Well, you know, what I liked about this question is really highlights what we've said many times on the podcast, which is our programs are a really good template in the base, but the ideal program for you is always individualized always. So follow our programs one time through as we've laid it out.

And then once you start to kind of figure things out for yourself, you can go back through and start to change things and individualize things for your body. Because an individualized personalized workout program is always going gonna outperform one that's one, you know, general for a large audience. I feel like that was the best and only, the really important question that needed to be asked that you asked. Because he said, because everything else was set perfect,

sounds like a perfect guide to play around with this and test that out, but even with his experience and knowledge and his idea, if he hadn't ran it one time, I'd be like, do it just like that. Because you're the problem with that. Exactly. You don't have a baseline to, like, let's say he would have got, let's say it was his first time and he saw 80 pounds on his deadlift and you know, 10 pounds on his bit. He would go, all that really worked. But he didn't know that the last time he did it without doing any of that stuff, he saw even greater. Better drinks, right? So I think that's the thing

that we always try and tell anybody that's running our programs, because you get this, especially from trainers a lot, who think they know everything, right? Oh yeah, well, I'm gonna add this right now. Right after Jay. Yeah, right after Jay, it's like, wait a second. If you haven't followed the program to a T first,

do that just so you can get a baseline and then you can play with it. And a big part of the performance on competition day is how comfortable you are competing. It's a big, big thing. So the visualization, the practice, what your goal is, you're aiming to do two different things. Get your techniques so good that it's second nature. So even though you're nervous, anxious, whatever, your techniques on point no matter what.

And the number two, desensitize yourself to the stresses of competition, so that when you do get in the competition, you've got less of that stress response, which screws people up all the time. I can't tell you how many times that happened to me, where I'd go and get on the mats during practice, and I could go through 10 guys, no problem.

Then I'd go in competition, and I'd gas out after the first match and it's because of the anxiety and the stress and the excitement that I just wasn't used to. Our next caller is Rob from Florida. What's up Rob, how can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? Good. Hey I just wanted to say something off my thinking

for all the content you guys have. I mean I'm constantly walking around the house and thinking to myself, you know, hey, what's better digestibility wise, you know, eating eggs raw, you know, past fries or cooking them. And, you know, I go and I search through your podcast to see if I can find the answer. And as a computer developer, I'm thinking, you know, how awesome it would be if that was thrown into like an AI fordriven app or something.

We're building to that. I appreciate all the content you guys put out there. Thank you. Yep. So, I'm a 49-year-old who has knee pain pretty often. I wouldn't say that it's chronic knee knee pain but I have two types of pain. One is kind of like a dull pain that I might have you know all day especially in the mornings when I wake up. I have that same kind of pain in my in my hands and in my elbows. It's kind of that pain you felt when

you're when you're a kid. You have those growing pains. The other pain I have is kind of a sharp pain when I either go up the stairs, down the stairs, especially if I do like a leg press or a squat. And that kind of feels like when it moves and has weight on it, that the knee kind of falls out of its natural groove. And then I'll get a sharp pain on the side of that knee and that might have that sharp pain for a while. I was kind of trying to get to the bottom of how to fix that so I can continue to squat, squat properly,

get a deep squat. And I'm thinking it's probably something to do with poor mobility. I do have some poor mobility in my left ankle or bad form, because I do notice that it naturally when I go at beef squad, it wants to my left foot kind of wants to pronate out. So it's just kind of wanting to get your thoughts on that.

Maybe I can just strengthen around that knee or something. Yeah Rob, do you have, have you been diagnosed with any autoimmune inflammatory disorders? No. Okay, and have you had any diagnosis around the knee? Like have you had anybody MRI it or look at it and say, hey, you've got no X going on? Okay, so I'm not a doctor, okay?

So I just wanna say that first, but I would definitely, first off, there's a couple of things here. One, we're dealing with what sounds like, the first part, sound like a little bit of chronic pain or inflammation because you talked about your elbow's hands and knees. So that sounds a little bit more systemic. And it could be nerve pain, which would be one thing, or it could be nerve pain which would be one thing or it could be high inflammatory markers which could be another thing. So I would just get that look at, okay, just to see if there's any kind of chronic inflammatory issue that's

happening. The second part sounds like classic mobility issue, okay, so you can work on the mobility issue regardless of the first part, but I would definitely look into the first part to find out why you have this pain in your hands, elbows and knees, just to rule anything out. Well, do you think a nice way for him to do that himself and test that would be, I mean, I would actually put you on like a 24 hour fast

and see if that alleviates a lot of that chronic pain. If it does, then there's a good chance that it could be related to diet that's causing a lot of that inflammatory response. So it could be, but when you're talking about systemic kind of inflammation or nerve pain, I mean, the list of potential things is so long that I would want to go and get the major things ruled out.

Like, do we have any kind of autoimmune issue that's brewing, that's chronic? Is there something that? Well, don't you think it would point in that direction if by him fasting all of a sudden the damper's that right away? Depends, depends. If it's a nerve issue, then maybe not. You know, but I would just go do that anyway, no matter what. Just, okay, look here, Doc, I have this kind of chronic, you know, kind of pain, it's dull, and then what they might do is have you

talk to a neurologist or, you know, basically you want to rule out anything major, okay, is what I'm saying, what the first part, the second part though, no matter what, the first part says, will help, okay? So the second part is, and when it comes in knee pain, nine at a ten times, it has to do with the ankles or the hips. Okay, because the knee, you know, it flexes and extends, but it doesn't rotate, it doesn't bend laterally. But the ankles and hips do all of that. They rotate,

they bend laterally, they also extend, and, you know, they also flex and extend. So I would work on, and I would really place a special focus on ankle and hip mobility. So if you don't have Maps Prime Pro, that's the program I would look at. And I would do the, I would pick two or three ankle and hip mobility movements. And I would do those like 10 minutes twice every single day to improve those things. In the meantime, if your squat is hurting your knee, I would switch to a split stance exercise like a Bulgarian squat or a lunge,

or something where your legs are split, okay? So that you have one forward and one back. And while working on the hip and ankle mobility, and then as things start to get better, you can start to phase your squat back in. Rob, what do you notice when you do you foam roll your IT ever and if you do what do you notice? I'm sorry I didn't catch the first part of that.

So have you ever foam rolled your IT band before? No. Okay I would love for you to do that. The only thing that I've been you know just, because I figured you were going to say mobility, because I did the, I don't know, the Dorsey, whatever test. What I noticed was that I have six inches on my right ankle, four and a half inches on my left, so I've really been trying to stretch out that left ankle. I have noticed a little bit better results from that.

You know, in my squat, if it'll want to get much deeper. That's the only thing I've really done. left ankle and I have noticed a little bit better results from that. You know, in my squat, it'll have to get much deeper. Well, bro, that's the only thing that I've really gone. Well, bro, real quick, just because you stretch the side and get more range of motion, does not mean you're improving the kind of mobility we're talking about. You really connect to it and gain strength where there's lack of strength. There's a weakness there that's preventing it from stabilizing properly. You need to make sure you need tracks well. And so we really have to address a lot of secondary

stabilizing type muscles, which is where this whole mobility process highlights that it highlights where there's a disconnect that we need to regain and recruit properly to stabilizing it. Yeah, because if you just get a range of motion without strength, you're still going to have problems, right? So that's why I'm saying Prime Pro because that's what we do in there. You do get the range of motion, but you connect to it.

Actually, Doug, can you look this up? Potentially. I know you're over there searching on Pornhobe, but I want to get you to look up on our YouTube channel. I think it was a fixed knee pain. I think I did a video on that. And I address both hip and ankle mobility. I also show you how to foam roll properly.

I would do that. Foam roll, watch the video, get a foam roll if you don't have one. Foam roll the IT and see how much that potentially relieves some of the pain right away. If it does, it really highlights the issue going on in your hips and potentially the ankles and that's what's causing it to get really tight. And that would be, that video I think would be what I would recommend you to do multiple times a day if you could, especially before you go into working out. Okay. Is that something that I would start seeing results within a few weeks?

You should know. If you just foam rolled, you would feel pain relief right away. That doesn't mean you fixed anything, but that's going to be a really good clue. That's potential. Yeah, there's a mobility issue. And then that's not necessarily me. And I bet money that if you did foam rolling on your IT band properly, you would feel way less pain right away.

And that's a really good clue. When I used to deal with clients, oh my God, my knees feel so much better. Like, okay, I know what I'm dealing with then. It's not. You brought up the knees over toes guy in your question. Do you have access to a sled? Do I have access to, no.

Okay. I just saw him online talking about knees over toes. And he's got having a great information. I didn't know if that was something I should be doing as well. Because like I said, I can feel the knee almost like it's coming out of its socket, not its socket, but out of its natural groove. And I didn't know if something like strengthening around the knee would also kind of help. That's a stability issue, right? So we need to first really address that so you can get your knee to be in its right track

and be able to stay there, right? And then after that we start adding in the resistance. So the sleds great just because you can, it provides you with adequate resistance, but it's not too much impact on the knee specifically. Yeah, you're talking about the knee coming out of the groove. You're talking about the kneecap. Yeah. Yeah, it's the kneecap.

So, I mean, I do feel the popping, you know, like it pops. It's crazy. And I did hear you saw one say that that's really just a bear bubble and that's okay. You know what I get? Like, two really deep pops and a bunch of little pops. So it kind of feels like it's It's almost grimy, but sometimes I I have to almost put a little pressure on the knee and kind of move it around a little bit So it feels like it goes back into that green. Yeah, and then I'm fine

Yeah, so if you look at the anatomy of the knee while I wait on it Yeah, if you look at the anatomy of the knee you'll see that the knee cap kind of floats Over there's a there's a groove that you're talking about so underneath the knee cap You'll see that the kneecap kind of floats over. There's a groove that you're talking about. So underneath the kneecap, you'll have the cartilage. There's like almost like a little fin that fits in a groove. And it'll track in that groove. Now if the knee doesn't have good stability because of hip or ankle issues, then what it's going to do is going to push to one side of the other quite a bit. And over time, you can develop something called congemalaceusous, where the cartilage underneath the kneecap starts to get frayed,

jumpers inflamed, and you start to develop problems. Now the fix isn't to necessarily go in and shave off the frayed, it'll heal if you fix the root cause of the issue. Now if you go and get surgery, you'll feel better at temporarily, but if you never fix the root cause, it'll just come right back.

And the fact that you said you feel better when you push on it or move it around, and you asked the question, should I strengthen around the knee? No, no, that's not the issue. The issue's probably coming from your hips and your ankles. It's the knee is just compensated, just holding on.

Remember, think of it this way, right? The knee bends in two directions, okay? Your hips and your ankles do all kinds of movement. They move in all the different directions. If they're lacking stability, what your knee is trying to do is it's using its ligaments to stay steady and in place. Yeah, and over time, it causes a lot of pain and a lot of problems. So I, again, I recommend you go talk to a doctor about the chronic kind of systemic inflammation that you're feeling in multiple parts of your body, and then simultaneously, you know, use Maps Prime Pro, work on hip and ankle mobility the way we lay it out.

Do that twice a day. Avoid squats, substitute it with split stance exercises, and then start to phase the squats back in as you start to feel better. Rob, do you have Facebook? Are you on Facebook? No, sorry, I canceled my account. Okay, well, I was going to offer you to get you in the forum for free so we could follow up with you and just see how you're doing.

Bare minimum, what I'll do. Yeah, that's great. I'll create an account for that. Okay. Well, worth it. Okay, well, I have prime. Is it in prime or isaries in the prime pro? It's prime pro.

Well, we'll send you prime pro. And we'll get you free access to the forum. Okay, so we'll use the movements in there. Yeah, thank you. After you go see your doctor, follow up with Sout. When you're in our forum, best way to get us to respond is to make sure you tag one or all of us and just let us know what the doctor said to you.

And then we can kind of help guide you from there or there we have a lot of professionals. There's people like Dr. Brink and Dr. Shallow inside our form so plenty of people besides just us that can help support what you're going through but what Sal said get at least the professional's opinion on what's going on but I have a feeling that when you do the the roll on the IT, you're going to feel instant relief right away, which tells us that, okay, we need to work on the hip mobility and strengthening that and then the ankle, and there's moves in Prime Pro that will teach

you what to do. Yep, okay, and then Adam, you said you had a video out there as well. Yeah, the video, did you find the title, Doug? There's a bunch of fixed knee pain videos on YouTube. So search Mind Pump, Fix Knee Pain, and you'll find it. Yep. Awesome. Thank you so much. No problem. I'm glad you guys didn't say that it was like some early arthritis or something like that. Well, I'm gonna tell you something, Rob. Well, the doctor might say that. You would be surprised. I've worked with a lot of clients who are early stages of arthritis

Austria arthritis and through just changes in diet and mobility exercises pain was gone Yeah, I mean, so it's not like a death sentence a lot of times people think it's a death sentence because there's an auto I mean you're recruitment pattern. Yeah, and there's an autoimmune component to it But boy, there's a big there's I've seen some tremendous results with people Just from you know doing the right stuff so get us the medical diagnosis and then we'll go there yeah i mean i hope it's not that i think i mean i eat super clean now you know if it's a little bit of a deal with real trouble yeah no problem

yeah thank you very much for the advice that appreciate it thank you thanks for giving yeah a good rule of thumb when you have unexplained like pain in lots of areas, right? There's a systemic issue that's going on. It's like, okay, my knees, my back, we've all been there, right?

And it's either because I was sick or, you know, Adam, you experienced a hormone imbalance and you were getting stiff everywhere. And so it's like, you could have done tons of mobility for all the areas that hurt. It wouldn't have helped that much though because what was going on was kind of systemic, right? So that's why I said that because when he said hands, elbows and knees, I'm like, let's rule that kind of stuff out. But simultaneously, the mobility stuff's going to help the second

part, which was that grinding feeling that he was getting. I can't wait to hear what happens when he just foam rolls the IT for the first time, because it's one of those things that if you've never done that before and you're experiencing to have a good time. I think it's a good thing to have a good time. I think it's a good thing to have a good time. I think it's a good thing to have a good time. I think it's a good thing to have a good time. I think it's a good thing to have a good time. I think it's a good thing to have a good time.

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What's up Jeremy, how can we help you? Hi there guys, thanks for inviting me on. I just have a question about bone structure and muscle imbalances, because my arms and legs on the left and right side are different lengths. And I'm wondering if that's like the root cause of muscle and balances and how I should approach my workouts. That's a really good question.

First off, how did you get diagnosed with the differences in length and your right and left side? And what was the diagnosis? What was the cause of it? It was like no diagnosis. I just wear a size. Well, the size 32, pad on one side, size 34 or the other, Sal. Well, it's not that significant,

but you can notice the difference from like five feet away. Like it's, they're noticeably different size. Well, though, here's why I ask. Here's why I ask because I remember, I remember a year ago, early trainer, I had a client, she came in, she was like, oh my gosh, my chiropractor said, my right leg is, you know, an inch and a half longer than, oh my gosh, my chiropractor said my right leg is, you know, an inch and a half longer than my left leg.

Such a chiroloos. And we went and looked and did the whole thing. And what it was is her QL, right? So this is a muscle that attaches the hip was just shorter on one side because it was tight. So if you actually measured the limbs themselves, just the limbs themselves, and you measured them from the same kind of origin, then we saw that they were actually the same length. That's why I'm asking the question.

So is this something you've had since you were a child? Was there scoliosis or an accident or something that caused this? No accident, but it's been probably since I was like 13 or 14 that I noticed it. Okay, I would get it diagnosed officially, but I'm not saying you're wrong, I would do that also, but here's the answer to your question. Could that cause muscle imbalance as well?

We gotta understand what a muscle imbalance is. In balance, meaning, I guess we could loosely define it as less than optimal muscle recruitment patterns. If you do indeed have one side that's a one or two inches longer than the other side, then your muscles are gonna acclimate themselves to help you move and perform in the best way possible with that particular context, okay?

Now how would I train around that? Everything I would do would be unilateral. So, and not unilateral at the same time, meaning I'm not gonna do a dumbbell bench press with both dumbbells at the same time. That's gonna give you a little bit of the benefit, but when one arm is an inch or two long in the other, and you press the dumbbells both up

and one's higher than the other, now you're still gonna have compensating effects. So I would do one arm at a time, one leg at a time. And what that'll do is that'll prevent some of these adaptations that you've already got, probably just from living your life, living your life. So that's how I would train. And that's how I would do all my workouts if that's the case. And the only thing I would add to that is start with the weaker side. So whatever side is less dominant of your arms and legs, start with that, let that dictate how many reps that

you do on the other side. So let the weaker side dictate how many reps you do for the other one, but that's exactly how I would train this person. If you are actually inches off on them, because we're all, by the way, nobody is perfectly symmetrical. There's not a human being on the face of this earth that their left side is exactly the same as the right side. So we all have a little bit of this asymmetry going on. So how much of it would really depend on

how much problems that it could cause. Do you suffer from any aches or pains or back problems? Or do you have anything going on? Yeah, do you have to wear a shoe lift on one side? No, shoe lift, but my left shoulder gets tweaked and injured pretty frequently. Okay. Yeah, I was just going to ask about your shoulders because it's going to go all the way up the kinetic chain.

Totally. You have these compensations. So, do you notice too, like, if you're in good posture, are you nice and symmetrically kind of square with your shoulders, are you kind of slouched a bit? Pretty symmetrical for the most part. Maybe a slight lean to the left. Okay, Jeremy. Yeah, I would go get an official diagnosis, make sure the actual limbs themselves

are longer and it's not coming from one side being tight or I can make one arm short in the other if one rhomboid is more activated and shortened versus the other, for example, I could do the same thing with my legs. So make sure it's an actual limb issue. If it isn't, my advice is gonna actually stay the same though with your training. I would still do one arm and one leg at a time and try and get them to kind of balance out. Now I did ask the question about the heel lift

and all that, just a little side note. If you've been walking your whole life without a heel lift, adding one now is gonna cause your pain. So sometimes people are like, you know what, I'm gonna add this heel lift because it's gonna balance things out. Well, you're now so used to cause your pain. So sometimes people are like, you know what, I'm going to add this heel lift because it's going to balance things out. Well, you now you're so used to walking one particular way. It's a long process before adding something

is going to start to feel good. So consider that as well. For sure. And then would I just go to my regular doctor to get that checked out or like a chiropractor? No, avoid the chiropractor. Yeah, I would go to your doctor, your GP and see if they, who they recommend you, you go through for these types of assessments.

Could we get like Luna in on this in terms of like a, if we get a physical therapist, I would feel would have a better assessment. Yeah, PT would actually be awesome. You know, you could go to getluna.com. If you have health insurance, your health insurance will cover it. You don't need a general practitioner referral. You can go directly to them and they'll come right to your house. And I would bring this exact issue up with them. So you can have an expert actually diagnose you with, you know, with, with, with, with some that will be helpful. Yeah. Right on. That's getluna.com. That's it. Yep. I think getluna.com. That's it. I think getluna.com forward slash mine pump if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if you need the forward slash mine pump.

No, just getluna.com. Thanks Jeremy. Right on, thank you guys. You're all welcome. No problem. Yeah, I've actually had more than one person come to me and say my chiropractor told me. I used to say it's the old school chiro move.

You know what I'm saying? It's the old school where they pull where they do one of those like, you know, they used to have the ones with all the strings in the back, you know, now the more sophisticated ones have like a computer animation that takes a picture of you and then they bring you and they sit you down and go, oh, it's like the old gym move that we used to do. When people walk in, oh, the gym's getting you.

You know what I'm saying? Oh man, come over here. Come over here and sit down. Let me show you this prepaid membership I could sell. You know what I'm saying? Oh man, come over here. Come over here and sit down. Let me show you this prepaid membership I could sell. You know what I'm saying? So it's the same thing. It's like, oh man, you're left side. You're like two inches off here.

But let me, if we adjust your hips here and we do this, like come see me three times three times. I'm nine feet for six. I'm sure it's probably what you said in terms of like a QL or something else that's like nice and tight and trying to, you know, compensate for something. Yeah, it's interesting because I mean because it could be scoliosis. Because he's had no pain.

He's got no pain though, he's not having any issues. And also he has no official diagnosis. If you have legit one side longer than the other since you're 13, I mean, I don't know how he grew up and what his situation was, but usually that's going to, it'll warrant a doctor visit at some point. Like, okay, we got to go to a doctor and see what's going on. Then they'll measure things and say, okay, here, we have a growth, because that's a big it'll warrant a doctor visit at some point like okay we got to go to doctor or see what's going on. Then they'll measure things and say okay here we have a growth because that's a big asymmetry right. So you're right nobody's perfectly symmetrical but you know two

inch difference in your arm and legs. That's substantial. And that could you know that could mean that there's something going on. It could be scoliosis. It could be you know issues with your bones and your growth and who knows. So I would I would definitely have that look that and make sure, but yeah, the whole, I remember the way they measured her legs is she laid down on something. And then there was like, you could see like it, measured out inches on each side. Oh, your right foot is longer than you went.

Well yeah, because her left side is all scrunched up. It's not her leg that's longer. You got to measure the leg, that's the whole. The muscles that are like rubber bands hold everything together, you know, that when that shifts and it's off a leg that's longer. You gotta measure the leg, that's the whole. The muscles that are like rubber bands holding everything together, you know, that when that shifts and it's off a bit, it definitely changes your entire structure and how you carry yourself.

Yeah, you know, these tricks are so insidious. I remember one time going to the mall, and I was 17. Tell me the arm one. Oh, dude, I pissed the guy off so bad. I was 17 years old and they were selling. You guys remember when they were selling those bracelets for baseball?

Yes, they were the brass ones. With the magnets. And they're like, you put the sun, your performance is better, professional. This guy and that guy. So guy, you copper. The guy goes, come here, let me have you test this out and he goes, watch this, you go, stand on one leg,

put your arm out. I did and he pushed down and I lost my balance. He was, now put the bracelet on, I'm trying it again. He did it again, I was better. And he goes, oh, the bracelet's amazing. My friend's like, wow, it really worked. And I'm like, no, I tried it the first time. You knocked me over. My body was coming now. Yeah, my body got better at the second time. Like nice. Nice try. He's so pissed off too. And I said, our next caller is Shane from Pennsylvania. Shane, how's it going? How can we help you? It's going very well.

I'm calling to ask about zone one and zone two endurance training while lifting. I've seen you as previously talked to a triathlete instead of just don't lift. So I wanted to see if like kind of lower heart rate work or technique work with lifting could be an option. What is your goal? What is your goal with your training? What are you trying to do?

It's a good question. So last year I got pretty into triathlon. I was doing a ton of races and running races. And now this year's really I want to focus more on the fit side and just the training aspect. Like training groups and then lift three days a week. Okay, so your goal to be good at triathlon still or just be fit and strong overall, fit and strong overall. Okay, and you want more muscle or did you want to be and look the way you do?

It's just like an offseason for you training where you can focus on training. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's kind of offseason like it's cold outside. So I'm lifting as in terms of my cycling training. Got it. And then are you going to get back into triathlon training? Yeah, probably like two months out, do race, pace, focus stuff. Oh, good deal.

Like OCR. Yeah, I would go two days a week, not three days. I go two days a week of traditional resistance training. I would definitely do mobility work during the week. And then I would do one or two days a week of cardio training because you don't want to go too far in one direction. Getting back in season is going to be kind of rough. Three days a week is a little, it's more like muscle building focus,

which is fine if that's what you want. But if you have an off season and an on season, we don't want to go so far off season that when you go back to in season, you're just trying to play catch up. So I'll go two days a week of the resistance training full body. I would keep it traditional, maybe throwing more, you know, single leg or unilateral exercises than usual, just kind of because you're an athlete, do mobility work on your off days,

that's going to always be beneficial. And then the cardio stuff is fine. I would keep that in there and just to maintain some of your stamina and endurance. So when you get back in in season, then the way you train in season is correctional exercise and then train specifically for a triathlon. That's when you're not focused on building, you're just trying to maintain your health

and your mobility and not having a injury. You don't think you can follow a map, so, so you are and get all those benefits. I mean, there's a mobility focus in there. There's enough of a strength component that he's in a build some muscle and then there's plenty of endurance in there so he doesn't lose too much of his endurance and stamina.

Why not follow a out, so CR? I don't think it's as off-season as he would like. If you're trying to build a little bit and stuff, I would go more traditional. OCR is good. But then he could just back off some of the running in there if that's the case. So if you want to be, and then just back off a little bit

of the running that's that we've programmed in there and add in more mobility work instead, and then you get a little bit more recuperative, I think that program for what kind of athlete he is will be pretty damn good. we've programmed in there and added more mobility work instead. And then you get a little bit more recuperative. I think that program for what kind of athlete he is will be pretty damn good. Maybe, I mean, it's a lot. Remember OCR was a lot of water.

Fucking brilliant. Yeah. It's a lot of volume. There's a lot of stuff about that. Yeah, endurance training specifically. Like Sal said, you don't want to stray too far because it's one of those things that that's the adaptation that you're pursuing

the most. So, we have to keep incorporating it somewhat. Definitely the strength training, like two times a week, you're going to be able to cover that if it's full body. I do believe that does cover it in OCR. And the grip training especially is definitely highlighted in that as well. So, you know, between that and then building up, you know, form, strength, and everything else, and there's really good for that.

I mean, we address, I mean, there's some things like he could shave out of that, right? So if you think it's too much running, he could back off if he wants a true off season. So just shave that off a little bit. If the forearm training and grip strength is more than what he needs, he could shave. There's a few things in there, but all in all, the way that is structured and programmed, I think really fits his avatar that person is. You know what I like a little better for off season

for him would be performance, match performance would be quite honest. It's a little more general, more strength and general performance. OCR is a little bit more specific OCR. Like he, okay, he's, he's, triathlon's run. I agree with the mobility focus, especially.

Yeah. I think that that can't be overemphasized. Yeah, and the run swim bike, that grip work is not really necessary. Yeah, that's why I say you could shave some of that off. I mean, I'll, I'll concede to that. I mean, a performance or I'll say, but I mean, I think there was a program that we've already written that is structured well enough that he could follow the blue prints versus trying to like create his own thing, right?

You're right, I'm like, yeah, you're right. Either use OCR and shave out some of the stuff that you don't see applies to your goals or follow maps performance and I think both would be fine for what he's trying to accomplish. You know it's really cool about this question, Shane. What's really cool about this question, Shane.

Whoop. What's really cool about this is that Adam and I both have a little bit of different opinions, which means you get two programs for free. So we're gonna send you both maps, OCR. And then report back, you know, who had the maps for performance. You walk through them and then pick one of those, because I don't think you're gonna go wrong with either one.

So you got both. You got both programs for free. We'll send them over to you and then let us know what happens. All right, great. Appreciate it. Yeah, no problem, man. Thanks. Yeah, you know, good discussion around this

is the difference between off season and on season training. There was that article that was written about the bills and how they took squats out of their training in season and they said, well, that's one of the reasons why we're not is injured. By the way, I think there's more to that than the story. I don't think it's just squats. I think it's just heavy lifting in season and they said, well, that's one of the reasons why we're not is injured. By the way, I think there's more to that than the story. I don't think it's just squawks.

I think it's just heavy lifting in season. When you're in season and you're competing, your exercise outside of your traditional competitions, managing stress. That's it. How do I keep myself from getting injured? Your goal is not to hit PRs. You can't push yourself in competition and simultaneously push your training super hard, you're asking for trouble.

Off season is when you push the training, that's when you're really pushing the performance. I definitely feel valuable for especially endurance athletes to go through a period of phase of more strength, focus, obviously, still incorporating some endurance elements just to maintain the skill of it. But just like anything, like you need to keep building the body back up to be able to support and stabilize the joints that are keep propelling you forward. Yeah, that's why I can get behind the performance recommendation too, so I don't disagree with that. I just think that we have something already that's structured enough that he could pretty

much follow and maybe just a couple modifications. Maybe OCR recommendation would require a few more modifications. There's another thing I know that we put in there that I probably have him shave off. There's no real reason for him to do that. Remember we did after every test. Yeah, the test at every block doesn't really need to do that and doesn't need to train that intensely there so you could drop that. Maybe some of the forearm stuff like you were alluding to.

But other than that, I think either one of those programs would do him well. Both of them have a mobility focus component, which is the thing I think we're all trying to point him in. Look, if you like our information, head over to minepumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you

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