Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1744: The Truth About Electrical Muscle Stimulation & Muscle Growth, the Detrimental Effects of Poor Sleep, the Causes & Solutions for Workout Nausea & More

Episode Date: February 5, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Sometimes the best way to get stronger is to NOT add weight to the bar. (4:26) When an old lady saves the day. (17:36) The impact of loneliness on your health. (22:00) What’s a liger? (31:24) The NFL gets behind cannabis research. (37:10) Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) will be the next industry to be destigmatized. (43:39) The connection between gum inflammation and autoimmune disease. (48:09) Get yourself a good mattress and a ChiliPAD for excellent sleep. (51:47) Competitive pillow fighting is a real thing! (53:54) #ListenerLive question #1 - Is electronic muscle stimulation (EMS) safe and effective? (57:54) #ListenerLive question #2 - Is it possible to maintain my strength gains and stamina for obstacle course racing (OCR) if I decrease my level of cardio? (1:13:03) #ListenerLive question #3 - Is there any truth to the statement that once you turn 30 your sleep will change? (1:30:09) #ListenerLive question #4 - What are the causes and some remedies for workout nausea? (1:44:11) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] February Promotion: MAPS Performance and MAPS Aesthetic 50% off!! **Promo code “FEB50” at checkout** Mind Pump #1057: How To Get Stronger For Fat Loss & Muscle Building Elderly Woman Stops Alleged Walmart Shoplifter, Rips Off His Balaclava Loneliness in America: How the Pandemic Has Deepened an Epidemic of Loneliness and What We Can Do About It FTC: Social media scams led to $770 million in losses in 2021 The Liger - Meet the World Largest Cat Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** NFL awards $1 million for studies on cannabinoids' effects on pain management in players MP Hormones Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum Autoimmunity-Basics and link with periodontal disease Visit Chili Sleep for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! WATCH: YES, COMPETITIVE PILLOW FIGHTING IS A THING, AND IT'S COMING TO PPV! Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Is Fasting Effective? - Mind Pump Blog Fasting is a Terrible Way to Lose Weight – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Fitness Anabolic MAPS Fitness Prime Pro MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Mind Pump #1345: 6 Ways To Optimize Sleep For Faster Muscle Gain And Fat Loss Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? Today's episode was a live Q&A, so people actually called in and we coached them. Live on air, help them with their fitness, but we opened the episode with an intro portion. So for the first 54 minutes,

we're not answering questions, we're just talking about scientific studies, talking about fitness, we're talking about current events and fun stuff, we're mentioning our sponsors. After that 54 minute portion, we got to the live question. So here's what went down in today's episode.

We opened up by talking about how getting stronger is not always the best thing to do when you're working out in the gym. Then we talked about the old lady on social media who stopped the shop lifter. She's the only one with the guts to do it. What is going on right now? Then we talked about a new statistic, very sad.

36% of Americans suffer from loneliness, that's very sad. Then we talked about some strange animal cross-be-breeds like the Liger. Then I talk about how sharp Adam was in today's episode, probably because he took Organifi Pure. Organifi makes plant-based supplements, protein powders, and green juices, and red juices.

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and then use the code Mind Pump for 20% off any of their products. Then we talk about how the NFL is spending a million dollars on researching cannabinoids, that's the stuff that you find in marijuana, and brain health. Then we talked about TRT or HRT, hormone replacement therapy for men and for women. By the way, we have a website for one of the best TRT and HRT clinics you'll find anywhere. If you're interested, you can go to mphormones.com.

See if you can get your questions asked and talk about getting your blood work done and see what you can do to improve your health. By the way, on the ninth at 5 p.m., in our free hormone forum, known as Mind Pump Hormones or on Facebook, we'll have a doctor on their answering questions live about hormones. He's a real doctor and they'll answer any of your questions and it's totally free. Facebook will have a doctor on their answering questions live about hormones. He's a real doctor and they'll answer any of your questions and it's totally free. Then I talked about the connection between gum disease and autoimmune issues. Then I talked about how I spent a lot of money on a brand new mattress, but I will be

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Then we talk about the new League for fighting, pillow fighting. That hell is going on here. People using pillows now in the ring. Then we got to the live question. So the first one was asked by Colin from Washington. Once to know if there's any benefits from electronic muscle stimulation and intermittent fasting. Then we talked to Tracy from Maine. They wanted to know about the good or the bad and the ugly from training for obstacle course racing. Then we talked about, excuse me, we talked to Ty Woo from California, wants to know if

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Sometimes the best way to build more muscle is to not add weight to the bar or get stronger. Let's talk about this. Yeah, what's that face going on? How? Say that again? You say that one more time? You know what?

At a certain point, so I think this is especially true for, and there's a lot of context here, right? I think this is especially true for people who've been working out for a long period of time where the only metric they're focused on. Yeah, and adding more weight to the bar starts to, it starts to change the risk versus reward ratio. Yeah, so like, you know, let's say like the other day I did some squats and I went really heavy and for me really heavy is I did 405

I think I did six reps, which is a really really for me. That's a good amount and after I was done I was kind of like oh that was cool, but then I thought about it and I said you know I The risk versus reward on that wasn't worth it now. I didn't hurt myself. Everything was okay But if my form is off just by a little bit, for me at least, with that weight, the risk of injuries so much higher than, let's say, if I put 315 on and slowed the reps down, paused at the bottom, squeezed. In other words, made the 315 feel like 405.

So what I'm really saying is that intensity might not be, you know, the focus always to pursue, like in terms of like ramping that intensity to its highest point, which a lot of athletes get into this predicament of how, you know, where's that line? How can I always press that line to get maximal result? Yeah. It's the delicate dance with the ego. Yeah.

Right? I mean, you know that. You have the knowledge. You have the experience. Like if you were to pull yourself out of it and ask, you know, you was the trainer who's training the guy, should you do X or should you do Y? You would definitely push that person in the right direction. But it's funny how we, it doesn't matter how long you've been doing this for. You still have these moments of like where you do that.

Yeah, I think, you know, I think this is where, I think all strength sports have some value and you can learn from athletes and those strength sports, different things, right? And one thing that bodybuilders with longevity, I'm gonna make sure I say that because some bodybuilders don't do this, but the ones with longevity,

like people like Dixxter Jackson, right? This is a guy that competed at the highest level up into his, I believe late 40s, right? Almost no injuries. I don't remember ever reading about the guy getting injured. And when you watch him work out, he wasn't using ridiculous heavy weights on the bar, but what you did notice is he was really connected

and he made the weight feel much heavier. Now let's contrast that to other very successful bodybuilders with shorter careers with lots of injuries Of course the greatest of all time most winning a spotty builder ever was running Coleman and not taking anything away from the guy I mean I don't think anyone's ever matched his physique on stage But he lifted so heavy With so much weight and there were so many injuries that fall, that Dorene Yates is another guy that had lots of injuries. Branch Warren's another guy, right?

So I think at some point, and I think getting stronger, especially when you're a beginner intermediate, that's very important. Just add weight to the bar, do good form. It's a great way to get your body to progress, but at some point, especially if you've been working out for a few years, the risk versus reward

doesn't, it stops paying off. Like, okay, I can add 10 more pounds to the bar or I could slow my reps down and squeeze more and make it feel harder. Like, I know I could do that, right? I know that if I wanted to, I could make a weight feel like it's a hundred pounds heavier, simply by how I lift the weight and it is an ego thing

because I like to see the bar with more weight on it, but if my form is off a little bit, if my knees moved left or right, or if I'm not perfectly in the groove with less weight, I'm less likely to cause a problem that then I can't, now I can't work out for weeks because I hurt myself. Exactly, and every time weight is the major focus, you don't pay attention to a lot of those

little nuanced things and signals that your body's sending you while you're performing the exercise, which if you can slow the tempo even down and really pay attention to where you're losing, bracing and you're losing support and tension within, you know, that lift, that could be a breakthrough for you in order to then come back and then add weight. Part to blame is our space again, too, I feel like, right? We always celebrate PRs. Of course.

And strongly, when was the last time you ever seen somebody do a post and celebrate the quality of somebody's movement? Think about that. It's boring. Right, I mean, it is, and it is it. Like, I mean, luckily I was introduced to this, into the space, and when I first got into fitness,

like when I was 19, 20 years old, I was really into the mechanics and like quality. Like just trying to have like perk from fact, I used to get a kick out of being in great muscular shape and then lifting really lightweight. And I used to always go find like the buff dude and the gym that was grunting and groaning and lifting those heavyweight

and go do my little 10 pound weights next to them but look all jacked. So I actually first fell in love with that side of this. That's been a far though, I don't know about 10 pounds. Yeah, maybe a little bit of an exaggeration. But really though, I used to go do movements like that, and I'd use that as an example to my clients that listen, you don't need to go lift all that way

to build a physique or a body that's incredible. I later on got into lifting heavy way later, and I've dealt with more issues, aches and pains in the last like five to eight years since I started lifting really away. And it's not because I lifted heavy that I got those problems. It's because of the ego lifts. It's because when I probably should have pulled back and worked on more of the quality of the movement or worked on mobility or took a light day, I just didn't do that.

I was so caught up in the getting stronger and putting more weight on the bar. And since I have gone in that direction, I've battled and dealt with more aches and pains in my life if I ever did. I'm way better at, you know what's funny? I wanna ask you guys if this is true for you guys too. I'm better at that for certain lifts and certain body parts and worse at it

for other lifts and other body parts. For example, when it comes to doing rows, okay, I'm very good at pulling weights. I can lift a lot of weight if I want to, but more recently what I've done is I've said, okay, I'm only gonna go up to X amount of pounds and my goal is to get close to failure with 10 reps. And it's a weight that's way lighter.

Like, if I do really heavy rows for 10 reps, I could probably go 275 or 250, right? Get pretty heavy. I'll go down to 185 and Slow down and squeeze and man that 10th rep is like it's intense. It's heavy and it's hard because of the way I'm doing the reps. The side effect of that is I get better results and you know what it comes to adding more weight It's just less forgiving. You know if you're 1% off on a lift and you're lifting not your max load, you're less likely to hurt yourself. You're hitting your max load, like with that squat

that I did, that squat workout I did, right? If my form was off a little bit, you know what I would be complaining about right now? Man, I hurt my back. Well, I can't lift now for a couple weeks, which of course it's, you know, less in learn maybe, or maybe I have to lie down. I definitely think it's harder to apply, maybe, or maybe have to live a little bit.

I definitely think it's harder to apply to the list that you're strong in. For me, it was a bench press and that was something I always had pride in in terms of it being one of my stronger lifts. Then to reduce the weight was attacking my own psychology of, well, I know I could do more than this. And so I have to fight that sense of like wanting to load it up and not really like work on all the nuances and the technique of it. But thankfully, so I actually started, actually a completely opposite of Adam. And so I was like more focused on like whatever I could get to the number I could get to in terms of weight and like his intentions I could go and then really kind of pulled myself out because I

So it really started to turn my progress to a point where I just like flatlined and then just started to kind of rebuild my body work on all body weight work on You know all the little details and it took me so much further. And that's how I got into these kind of unconventional lifts that it's pure movement. And people ask me all the time, what's the bet, what muscle are you working with this? And it's such an annoying question, but the same time I get it

because I was in that mindset a long time ago, what was this really doing for me? Well, it's really hard to create that type of fluid, controlled, amazing, beautiful movement. Good luck. You know, you're gonna suck at it. And that's why you're talking shit. And that's why I was doing it until I started doing it.

And then you realize the benefits that provides, it's a whole new world of support when you lift heavy. Yeah, for me it was as a kid, a kid, I got into it really young. I was 14 and then my first big impactful moment was learning how to squat from powerlifters and they told me, and they gave me the right advice by the way. I was a 16 year old kid and they did say, just get stronger at the deadlift, the squat and the bench. Now remember, I'm a beginner and I'm a kid,

and it worked. I got stronger and I got bigger and I built muscle, but that's like, it doesn't keep working that way. Like you can't keep pressing that, but for me, it's like identified with that, right? Oh, if I get stronger, I'll get bigger. If I get stronger, I'll get bigger. At some point, the RIS versus reward doesn't work,

and this is why you hear so many, this is why we would be in the gym, and I would deadlift as a 20 year old general manager and some 50 year old ex body builder would come up to me and be like, oh, I used to deadlift but now I can't because I hurt my back or whatever. It wasn't the deadlift that hurt his back. It's probably what I'm doing, right, which is the I'm not learning my lesson about, hey, I can make this weight feel harder and get better results and dramatically reduce

my risk of injury. So I think if you're a beginner or intermediate, and your form of technique is good, that's okay, keep pushing to get stronger. There's actually, it's a great thing to aim for. But at some point, you gotta look at other stuff because you add into the five or 10 pounds of the bar, the risk of injuries

exponentially grows. My increase in risk of injury, if you go from 100 pounds to 150 pounds on a lift, you might go up by 2% with your risk of injury. You go from 300 to 350, now you're talking about 10% increase or 15% increase. In the heavier you go, the more that becomes a problem. So, yeah, you can make, and again, bodybuilders are good at this. If you see really good bodybuilders, they often get made fun of this for this particular reason. Other strength athletes act a pocket bodybuilders for this, but it's a skill to be able to do a lateral raise

with 15 pounds and you know, be a 230 pound body builder, right? And develop these incredible delts. Like that requires a level of connection and technique and form that you, that is valuable. And I'm not saying this is everything, but for those of us who are obsessed with strength, this piece right here can pay us dividends. You know, our buddy Ben Pukowski is really good about this too. Yeah. Like Ben, Ben preaches about quality of movement.

And he's, he's one of those bodybuilders that's still lifting and going strong. And you don't see him really highlight like big PR lifts, like he's always talking about technique and form. And so, yeah, no, much, much smarter way to lift. And so I, I kind of was on one side and with the other, like, you know, one extreme to the other extreme, like to think that I'm somewhere in the middle now. But I think the other thing that's probably why this happens too is when you build a lot of strength and we've all experienced this, the gains come on fast.

It's a little bit slower process when you're diving into mobility and working on increased range of motion and slowing down the tempo and making your technique look pretty. I don't think you see the gains come on as fast as you do. Yeah, as fast as you do when you start to it, you increase your squat by 10 or 15 pounds or 50 pounds. Like you see the difference. You see the difference on your legs right away. Like you relatively quick where you might work on getting

better and better at a technique for a long time before you see much progress, like as far as the way the physique looks and we're so attached to that, I think that has a lot to do with that. Yeah, and to be honest, I think I know all of us are kind of like at this point, we've all been working out for so long that this is now what we have to, this is now the hurdle, which it wasn't 10 years ago, 10 years ago, this wasn't the hurdle. Now this is the hurdle. How do I continue to maximize my progress because adding weight to the bar now

is not necessarily pragmatic for some of my lifts. And also avoiding pain, you know, at this point, because of all of the years of training and you realize like, you know, if you're doing the same thing too long, it's gonna add up in this repetitive stress, which is never gonna make it to the joints. So just to keep it going and be energetic about it

and still have, you know, passion for it, you have to adjust things along the way. Totally. Speaking of strong, all right. Did you guys see that video on social media of the shoplifter? Oh, the old lady? Yeah, okay, so.

There's a dude who is, fills up his shop. I don't know where this is. Do you see where it's at? I don't know. I thought I saw, did I see Detroit? Did I thought I saw it? I tried to research where it was at, I was curious.

It's one of those cities where they've changed the law. They did this in San Francisco, where if you steal under $907, they no longer treat it. It's not like a punishable offense like it used to be. And so what happens is they steal $900 worth of stuff so it's under the limit. Now you're inviting crime.

Oh yeah, and so then the cops will take them in, they'll write them up and they'll write back out the next day. Yeah, this dude was literally filled up. Fill up his shopping cart, had his bike, has he's walking in the shower, yeah, walk right up. He had a mask on. Like a full mask.

And the dude, first of all, nobody's stopping him. And the dude is following him with his phone. And he's like, hey, are you gonna leave with that? Are you gonna leave with that, whatever? Nobody's doing anything. Who steps up? An old lady. Rips the mask off his face.

Like a 70 year old lady, too. Dude. I love, I mean, I mean, she played, I was a big risk for her, right? Cause she's a old lady, but she didn't give it. She was great. She got a hold of the cart too. She would have like, he eventually had him go and over.

He grabbed his backpack and he left. He left the stuff and he didn't even take it. He was like, you by the fuck, I, you. Yeah. I, absolutely. How ridiculous is that though, that we're in a place like that right now, where we would put a law out there like that,

that allows people to do that. then just you know people are gonna and What do you expect? I mean do would you think that people aren't gonna take advantage of that you put something out there like that? You're something crazy. Okay, so San Francisco San Francisco is you know, it's only an hour away from right I have family members that live there and I've seen the city with some of these crazy laws just go downhill And I've seen the city with some of these crazy laws just go downhill. Okay. The car theft has gotten so bad because I'll smash your window and grab stuff.

And it's gotten so bad. This is no joke now. People literally leave their windows open with nothing in the car. So at least the windows don't get smashed. Or they'll put a sign in the car. Nothing in here with the windows open. So that they're, because if you park on the street

and there's anything in your car, a car charger, pair of sunglasses, a candy bar, they will smash through the window and take it and there's really no, nothing's really happening. Yeah, San Francisco's turned into like what New York subways were like in the 80s and 90s, right? Where it used to be like everybody got mugged? Yeah, where it's just like normal, right? To get mugged anytime you were on the subway. 70s was really bad. It's like, come on, can we learn from our mistakes? Like look what had to happen to clean all that up.

It had to be like a super authoritarian, aggressive approach when you could have just been reasonable and kept like law and order. Dude, I told you guys, I've told this story many times. My brother was in a CVS in San Francisco because he lives there. And two people walked in, filled up garbage bags with stuff from CVS.

Literally, he just filled it up and he's watching them and he's like, what are they doing? He had no idea, he was new to the city. This was a while ago. They filled it up, they walked out of the store and he was like, what, nobody's in a saving and he walked and followed them to see, they went around the corner and then they had like

they laid it all out. They had these rugs on the floor. Yeah, they laid out the teotering and the toothpaste and the they had like they laid it all out. They had these rugs on the floor. Yeah, like a T1. Yeah, they laid out the teotering and the toothpaste and the toothbrushes and they were selling them. That's a business plan, if you ask me. Our margins are 100%. You know, I mean, I don't know, like,

I don't get that mad at the person who's doing that, right? I just feel like you put something in place like that and if they're in a place where they're in need they don't have money in there or time like why would you not take advantage of that of that rule? That's such a stupid law. You know what worries me about this is that at some point because what happens is there's there's hard working quiet people right they take care of the family they take care of themselves and they they're typically not loud, and they sit aside, and they wait, and they wait, and they wait, and then you get these little cracks like the old lady.

I've had enough of this, right? Shit starts to happen. Could you, God forbid, I'm so glad this didn't happen, but could you imagine that video instead, she'll the old lady try to stop him and he beat the crap out of her. What the response would have been, right? So that's the thing that kind of,

hopefully the dude who's recording put his phone down and go, whoop a zaz, I mean, I would hope that that guy would have some sort of integrity. Oh my gosh. I can't even believe that. Yeah, I can't even believe. It's a sad state when you need to have an old lady like, you know, save the name. It's true.

That's true. That's got to speak volumes to where we're at. You know, I will think about another thing is sad. Use, remind me of something I read an article today that, did you know that over 30, I think 34, 35% of people report loneliness right now. Wow. Yeah, that's a lot. I know it's a lot of people, dude.

Not crazy. Really? Yeah, this article was attached to something else I was reading that said that last year, over $343 million was reported in romantic scams online. Oh, scams? There's a $340 million. Fraying on the million.

Yes, that's sad. And so that's it. And that was a large increase from the previous year, which was like around two something or three hundred million. And so it's on the rise. And they predicted a lot that has to do with a cat. Like a two-foot cat. Fishing people? Yeah, yeah, finding people that,

and this is how they pray on, you know, Facebook and dating sites and everything like that and, you know, woo you online and then normally have some sort of a, hey, I need help with this, like, or I got this and they always want, you know, a couple bucks after they've built that relationship and then, and then try and scan money. You know what's tough about that is

To get to like back at a loneliness. It takes kind of work Yeah, you talk about setting that vulnerable. You know put yourself out there. Yeah, you gotta go out Potentially you might not someone might not like you you have to put yourself in situations where you're with people and Life is made so easily to where you don't have to do anything You don't't have to leave your house and you can do everything that you, you know, quote unquote, need to do. Yeah. And then you have this false sense of maybe, you know, kind of placate you a little bit. Oh, I talk to people online and, you know, we go back and forth a little bit or whatever.

But loneliness is a big deal for humans. This is so important that we have connections with others. They connect that to poor health outcomes, worse than smoking cigarettes and doing stuff like that. So I wonder how we would change. That's a cultural shift. There's really nothing we can do, right? That's a cultural thing. Yeah, and I don't know,

there's arguments right on this whole like metaverse and then that we're more connected today than we ever were with Facebook and Instagram and things like that. But then I don't know, I don't know what that is. Not beneficial, is it? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's examples of somebody

where the ability to connect on Facebook or on these platforms has been life changing for them. But I don't know. I think I would probably, I would argue that it was, there's more people that it's disconnecting or keeping from interacting in person. And I just think that there's something, there's something we don't fully grasp.

We're using something. Yeah, you know what we talked to the other day about the all eating whole foods. It's like we're so arrogant sometimes. Like we take a little bit of research and study that we have learned, we know this. This shake has everything really. Yeah, we don't know everything yet.

Yeah, it's kind of like that. It's like, oh no, it's studies show or research shows that we're more connected today than we ever were. It's like, oh no, it's studies show or research shows that we're more connected today than we ever were It's like well, are we really I mean, yeah, I can pull up my phone and I can talk to my family across the country Which I couldn't do like a long time ago, which is cool But that doesn't replace like real Yeah, well don't they have studies like about human touch in the value of that like oh, dude There was this terrible Soviet era.

Yeah, remember the one where they purposely didn't touch the kids for a long time? Yeah, they had a bunch of orphans. And one half of the orphans. Can be a bunch of conducting that. The nurses fed them, but also played with them and held them. And then the other half, they just fed them.

They did with siblings, too, right? Didn't they do that? Like twins? Yeah, come from twins in the same family. And then one was just like no love, no attention. Oh, they failed to thrive mental disorders. They had, you know, weird physical disorders as a result. Like we're super social.

You know what the problem, it's a cultural issue because historically, the way that cultures have connected and I know I'm gonna irritate people when I say this, but it's very true, was religious practice. It really was. Now, I'm not saying that's the only way to do it, obviously, but as religious practice becomes less and less a part of the average person's life, we're not replacing it with something else, where we meet up with people and we're trying to do something together and do that kind of thing. So it's like you took that out and okay, for whatever reason, what do you replay? Like how often on a weekly basis do you meet up with other families and other people to try to connect over something?

Yeah, I'm wondering if the the metaverse is gonna drive a bigger wedge in that or it's gonna help men that somehow if you know It's interesting time of the metaverse. So I'm like have now some people love it when you bring up the Metaverse. Oh, yeah, I have 50 50 by the way. So I already know half the people listening right now. I'm pissing off. They're like, oh, talking about the midverse. They're happy. We're like, I'm so interested. So, you know, those that don't care of them, you can tune out whatever. I'm very interested. I'm curious. I'm so brand new. I mean, we're trying to make sense of it. So check this out. So I'm playing this game with my I got it for my best friend for, it was a late Christmas gift

because I hadn't seen him since Christmas. And so I got it, got it for him. My childhood best friend, and I'm like, I selfishly, it's because I want to play with him. So I want him to connect and we could do stuff, right? So we got this one game, and it's called Population One,

which is like a first person shooter type of game. But they have these like lobby. So the first person shooter type of game, but they have these, these like lobby. So the way I, I come in the game, like you, you come in and you have like these, like shooting ranges where you go practice, learn how to use all the web. Now here's what's trippy. Okay. So this is it. And you come in, right? It's full 360. You guys have experienced it. You're in the VR. Yeah. Right. So I'm in and I, and I, I can see like all, you can see all these avatars, people walking walking around little bubble above their head

and stuff like that with their name and you see them all over and I can like faintly hear whisp like them talking and as I approach them the conversation becomes more clear more clear until I'm Until I'm standing next to them. It's and then they can hear me and I can hear them and we're having a conversation Is real people? Yes, so it's, they've designed it like real life, where if you were in a club or you were in a place, you would hear this kind of background noise. Yeah, background noise of talking, until you got within air shot distance,

you wouldn't be able to make out what they say. Then when you're in air shot, you would be able to hear them and they would be able to hear you clearly. That's the truth. It is why. That's weird. That last night I was exploring the ability to watch the NBA game live.

So last night I thought this was the one that I was going to be able to go and watch the Warriors play. It wasn't until the 7 so I was wrong, but it's an app and I go in and it's a lobby and it was a trip. So I get in this lobby and there's live WF that's going on right now. There's a music concert over here that's going on now. And they have big screens and doorways to walk to. And there's people all walking around. And I'm like randomly trying to get in this room

and this guy's like, are you trying to get in the game too? I'm like, yeah, man, I'm trying to get in the game. I can't figure out how to do it. He's like, yeah, I'm here for the warriors game too. I'm like, yeah, me too, but we're like talking and conversing. Then you move just 10 feet over. He can't hear me anymore, and now I'm near another group,

and going in these different rooms, also night drop in, I'm at a live WWF event, and I'm standing in the view, is like I'm almost in the ring, but I'm watching the live event happen right there in front of me, it's a trip. That is interesting, it's funny, because I remember I was playing ping pong

when we were up in Truckee, and you were showing me it, and guy was you know just playing with me a real guy right back and forth and then all of a sudden he stops and you could hear this little voice like you know I need like this snack or whatever he's like hold on I'm playing in a game and he's talking to her I'm sorry man hold on second like yeah no, hold on a second. I'm like, yeah, no problem, deal with whatever. Did I tell you guys what would just, my buddy Jeff, my other buddy, Jeff, what he did, he did, playing ping pong.

So where I was, when I first got it for him, and he's in, he's in the room. And he's like, oh, dude, this is so sick. He's like getting all to it. He gets his first experience today. He fucking falls, because he tried to put his hand on the virtual table. The ball goes really over.

He's like, it's solid, real tables. Yeah. Oh over. It's like a solid real table. Yeah. Oh man. That's gonna happen all the time. He gets up and he's like, oh shit, he's like, the table's not really there. Oh wow. That's how real it is though.

I mean, you do really get into it. It's so weird. So what we want is we want the benefits without the risks. You know what I mean? Yeah, we're limiting a lot of the risks. And the problem is we don't understand the real value that comes from the risks and all that stuff, right?

So we want none of that. We just want the, it's like an exercise or fitness pill. Like if you take a pill that can make you fit and lean, you solve some of the problems, but there's a whole, see or anything. There's a whole see of issues that you never solve that you would have got by going through the process. Well, when I see these stats,

like that's why I kind of brought this up, right, the loneliness thing and like with depression and like anxiety. And a lot of this stuff is people get this from public places or they feel insecure about the way they look or whatever condition they may have. I think it's gonna help a lot of those people. I really do.

And I think that's how we're gonna get sold as a population on why it's gonna help a lot of those people. I really do. And I think that's how we're gonna get sold as a population on why it's so good. Yeah, because there's real benefits, I'm sure. Right, so I think we're gonna be able to connect real benefits for some people. Some people, it may be life changing for them. Someone who is so scared to go out in public

and socialize anyways, and is crippling insecurities about the way they look. Now they get to create whatever they want. They can be an animal, they can be a big guy, a little guy, a skinny guy, a buff guy, whatever you want as your avatar that you project for other people to see, you decide what that is and you get to interact and you get to unplug

when you don't want it no more. You know what the irony is, we may be a little bit like a leiger. What? Yeah. Just a big fierce liger. You know, lagers are typically dumb and they can't reproduce with each other.

I thought they weren't real. They're not real. No, they're real. Are they? They're huge. I thought in Napoleon Dynamite when he was drawing, that he was, he was kidding. There's one where it's a male tiger and a female line

and one where there's a male line and a female tiger. But yeah, they can't reproduce. One's a tiger, one's a lion, and one where there's a male lion and a female tiger. But yeah, they can't reproduce. One's a tiger, one's a ligar, and the other one's a tie-on, I think. There's two different ones. Oh, the tie-on. And they'll, go ahead, Doug, read that.

It's a tie-gon. Tie-gon. So one of them is big. I think it's a ligar. For sure. It's bigger than a lion and a tiger. They're just like fat. They're massive, but they're often dumb and kind of slow,

and they can't reproduce. Look how big it is. What's the size there, Doug? Let's see here. It is over 800 pounds. Over 900 pounds. And how much is a normal, is tiger is bigger than lions, where are they normally? Yeah. Female lion is about, let's say 300 to 400 pounds. A tiger. A male tiger is 350 to 500 pounds. Whoa, wow, so a lot, they're like dumb. Oh, so that's to make a tiger on. Okay, so that's a male tiger and a female lion.

Make a tiger on. Okay. A male lion, which gets up to 500 pounds and a female tiger, they don't have a weight for the female tiger. This is the one that's real. Yeah, I just can't ask this question. Exactly, that creates a ligar which can weigh more than 900 pounds. So the ligar is the biggest?

The biggest. That's the bottom one, right? No, the top one. The top one that looks more like a lion is a ligar. No, the one that looks more like a lion is a tie-gon. Yeah. That looks more like with the mane, has a little bit of a... Don't make some up, bro.

Yes, that's right. Well, if I'm looking at this correctly, the animal on the far left is the end product, or is it the far right is the end product? No, the far right is the end product. The far right. So we got a lot of... The line goes to the...

The line goes to the tiger equals... Line, duck, duck. Look up an actual picture of... Line is the biggest one, the ligor. The ligor is the Doug, look up an actual picture of, which one's the biggest one, the Liger? The Liger's the biggest. Look up an actual picture of it. These things are massive, but they're, again, they're often dumb.

They really were. Like, they say that, that they're like not as smart. They can't reproduce, so you can't take two Ligers and make baby Ligers. That's weird. You know what, it's like, aren't, what's a mule? Is it a mule of donkey and a horse? It's like a rooster species.

Yeah, that's, that's it. Look at, look how big they are. Yeah. Isn't, isn't a mule a, like a donkey and a horse, and then you can't have two mules mate. They don't make, they don't, they don't, they can't mate, right? Because they're because they're all.

So this is the reset to recessive genes. There's something like that. I have no idea. I'm not a genetic. I'm not a genetic. It's not like idiots right now, but I do some thousand chicken food. Did you know that the, I wanna say the Nazis,

they did some weird experiments. That they, there's a theory, there's a conspiracy theory, that they successfully created a human monkey or ape hybrid, and there's pictures of this like, and it looks weird. What? You never seen this?

No. Now we're getting to Alex Jr. What magazines are you guys subscribing to? Yeah. We got the embryos, and that's been a fact. So they created embryos. Oh, there's the mule. See, Donkey Stallion mating with the female horse,

and I don't know if they can reproduce the shell. No, they cannot have babies. They can't have babies. Doug, look up the human ape Nazi. Where did you get a random fact like this? The human ape Nazi hybrid. And I love a Doug's like, so I look at all this stuff too. He's so on an NSA lift list. Yeah, this guy's looking at weird shit dude. Oh,, look. Oh no, maybe it was Stalin. Was it Stalin that did it? Stalin's ape man. It's one of those ship fucks or whatever

for lack of a better term. But there's a picture of this monkey that they speculate was like part human. Maybe look at images though. Yeah, see if we can find, oh no, that's not there. That's it right there. Humansy. Humansy. Humansy. Yeah, see if we can find, oh, no, that's not that. That's it right there. Humansy.

Humansy. Humansy. Yeah, that's creepy, dude. Looks weird, dude. Yeah. But obviously you can't, I mean, you can't cross them. Something has to happen or whatever.

Wasn't that the theory of HIV, that's how HIV came to be? Was a person, that main theory is a person had sex with a monkey. Yeah, that was wrong. Are there those wrong? that wasn't wrong, or they made that up. No.

They're eating monkey parts, or I don't know. I think that's the main, I think that's the main part. Wait, they're exposed to, yeah. Yeah, we don't know much about this. Yeah, this is a, we need to have your, I will say this though, you're contributing quite a bit. I noticed how sharp you are. I've been drinking, or identified.

Yeah, it's a, yeah, it's a, yeah. I just, I just finished my voice a reason of my, my pure amenity. Yeah, it's, I love when sharp you are. I've been drinking or identified. Yeah, it's a, yeah. I just, I just finished my voice a reason. My, my pure amenity goes. I love when you drink pure. I could always tell 20 minutes later. I'm excited. Wait, you guys still make sense. Good, spuriousy theories.

Yeah. Oh, look at this. HIV cross from chimps to humans in the 1920s. That's, that's the theory. That was the theory. This was probably as a result of chimps carrying the simian immunodeficiency virus, SIV, a virus closely related to HIV,

being hunted and eaten by people living in the area. Okay. And to the human species. Okay, so humans ate the monkey. Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay, I was right. That makes sense because people have been eating monkey brains for a long time, right?

That's like a thing. Right. And then was it pre-ons? That's like a thing. Right. And then like was it pre-ons is like a thing too. Like you eat like brains and you could ingest those, which are toxic for you. What movie was that? Was that the end of Jones? Any end of Jones.

Yeah, with the monkey brains. Oh, like cracking the head. Yeah, oh my God. I mean, it was like some kind of jello or something. Humans, weird stuff. I know, I can't. We really really can't do it. Yeah, but anyway, I do like the energy you have at them.

Yeah. It always makes me want to take more care of this works on at them. You know what else you'll like and that the NFL just dropped a million dollars on more research around cannabis. Oh, cannabinoids. Did you see that? I did. Yeah, it's cool.

So to prevent what is it called? CTE? Yeah. I think that and all did. Yeah, it's cool. So to prevent, what is it called? CTE? Yeah, I think that and all is just hard to prevent. Recovery and just as a now a, I mean, I foresee becoming an accepted form of medication for the athletes. You know, look out when that happens, dude, holy shit. I mean, first of all, if they do that, then they're gonna have to get rid of any sort of like marijuana of like

rules and laws. Yeah, they're going to have to get abolished that which that should be gone anyways. Really amazing. How are you going to like attribute that to performance and answer? New Super Bowl sponsor free delays. Just think for a second, they'll have how big, right? Remember, seven, eight years ago when we first started this thing, you know, we were talking early about cannabis. A lot earlier than anybody in this space. I read cannabinoid research on how it prevents brain inflammation, how it prevents issues

with the brain after concussion. I read that a long time ago. You're a protective quality, too. Yes, yes. So, my point was that we've been talking about this for a really long time, a lot longer than most people in definitely in our space, we've been talking about this, and we've watched the explosion of this space and the growth of it and the millions of dollars that are going to wait until

an organization like the NFL gets behind it and says that it is a form of recovery, medication, or accepted by them, and they get rid of the band. Let's just look out. Let's just back up for a second. And let's just talk about this because this has to be one of the funniest stories of all time, right? So smoking weed gives you lung cancer.

There's more carcinogens and weed smoke than there is cigarettes. 1974, they did a study. The government did a study on this to connect cannabis smoke to lung cancer so they can hit the nail in the coffin, tell everybody, stop the study halfway through because low and behold, there was a cancer protective effect. What the hell is going on? Let's stop that real quick. Oh, by the way, cannabis is gonna be a public enemy number one because all the protesters smoke weed now

We can throw them in jail for something. Stop all studies. Oh, it's bad for your brain. Wait a minute, studies are showing cannabinoids are neuroprotective. This is really strange. Oh, it doesn't cause cancer. It might actually have some anti-cancer effects. This is really about new perspective on things.

Very, very, very strange. I've got anything can be abused, of course, but you want to talk about a God. 180. Oh, more than that. It's like the propaganda against cannabis was so heavy. Yeah. And then you come back with some of these opposite,

you know, truth that are coming out. Man, it's all right. Well, to me, we're only a couple of years now away from seeing cannabis commercials on Super Bowl and stuff. It's around the corner. It's coming. It was a nice wonder like how the boomers

are dealing with all this, you know. That's been like, it must be like shell shock to see, like all this like marijuana promoted everywhere. You know, okay, for at least in my circle, my family, like, so when I got into it, right, God, that was over 10 years, roughly 10 years, maybe a little bit more now. So boy, was it, it was uncomfortable.

Super stigma time. Oh yeah, it was very uncomfortable for me to even, I mean, I left a, you know, six figure, 401k benefit job that I was good at and had like all kinds of security around. And I go, oh yeah, I'm gonna go do this medical marijuana thing. It was a really uncomfortable conversation with most of my family and friends because of the stigma that was around it. So to see where it's at today, and I would say now. And it's 100%. 100% the product of decades of false government propaganda. 100%. Like, I'm watching,

what was I watching last night? I'm watching a series on Netflix with Jessica and This housewife every scene with her. She's got a big ass glass of wine and morning afternoon evening and nobody makes a big deal about it And I'm like, you know, it's funny how you can do that or you can invite someone over for glass of wine Or you could tell someone you own a vineyard and like wow, that's great. That's really cool You know, or it could be like oh I, I own a medical marijuana crops and we sell, or I own, forget medical marijuana, I own a bunch of marijuana crops and I sell them in dispensaries

and people whispering behind your back or whatever. What if we saw the same show and the mom was having a hit of a joint, not saying you should be smoking weed all day long or drinking alcohol all day, but it is funny how because of the propaganda, perception is so totally different. I mean, being honest, it was a big reason,

not the only reason, but a big reason why I left the space was, it was a shot to my ego that I wasn't getting the credit for what I had built. I was proud of myself, like I knew what I had accomplished and what we had built, and during that of myself. Like I knew what I had accomplished and what we had built. And during that time was a really scary time to do that.

And I failed a lot. I lost a lot of money along the process. I had to read a ton to learn myself. So I had a lot of self belief and very proud of what I had accomplished, but nobody else. If I told anybody else what I did, I was like, oh, of course, you're in drugs.

You're in drugs. It's like, damn, really? Because I're in drugs. You're in drugs. You're in drugs. It's like, like, damn, really, like, because I had to apply all the things I'd learned in business in order to be successful at this thing. I sell craft beer. Wow, that's really cool. Right. Yeah, and you cool mustache.

It started to bother me after a few years of being in it and having success in it that I felt that I wasn't respected as a real entrepreneur or somebody that had built something that grand and big. If I would have done it in beer or anything else, I would have been, people would have been like, holy cow. It just did. To me, the lesson in this is not that weed is gray. Cannabis is the best thing ever.

No, I think there's some real cool potentials there medically. I think it could also be abused just like anything else. I think the moral of the story is this. It is very hard to be objective and keep your mind open when you've been hammered with propaganda. And much of our perception is shedding the propaganda. It takes a long time. Oh, it totally does. That's what I'm always afraid of when everybody's so convinced, you know, something is true. Meanwhile, we're prescribing methamphetamines

to children and straight up heroin to people when they get knee surgery, right, in pill form, which I know there's applications for that, so I'm not, but I'm just saying, nobody bats an eye half the time for something like that. Very weird. This is why my prediction for the next big one to fall like that, or to become mainstream popular,

is hormone replacement therapy. Oh yeah. I believe that where... Talk about something. Yes, talk about something that's... Stigmatizing it. Yes, very silly. Same thing.

Totally testosterone, so stigmatized. Even the transition from it being this black market, the stigma around it to now, it works, now they have these little clinics and then some people are like, all skeptical, still about it. And like the information, the education around it, slowly coming out, it says,

to me, it looks exactly, if we weren't doing this, it's very parallel. And I had some money to go throw at a clinic and do that and invest in it. Oh, if you're gonna say, I would jump invest in it. Oh, it's going to explode. I would jump all over that. Just what we got going on, we're going to get too much going on here as it is, but as

far as like seeing the riding on the wall, the same way I saw with cannabis when I got into that 10 plus 100% HRT, same way. Isn't this a case of something that works too well? Yes. Right? So you want to kind of pull back and it's like we don't want to give everybody access to this and we don't want like pro athletes using it and we don't want because this is just an unfair advantage.

Man, look, I try to keep an open mind, right? I try to be objective and I felt the stigma. When I got my hormone test back and my testosterone came back real low and I had to face the reality that I'm going to be on TRT if I want to feel okay and it reality that I'm gonna be on TRT if I wanna feel okay and it's healthier for me to be on testosterone than it is for me to be low testosterone. I felt the, you know, am I not man enough? My testosterone's low, am I not,

I'm maybe taking this. People are gonna judge me. People are gonna judge me. Now, had it been insulin or thyroid? Or anything else. Anything else? Did they hire anyone? No problem, right? Birth control, that's estrogen or progest. No problem, right? Birth control, that's estrogen or progesterone base, right?

No problem. And the irony of it is very much similar to cannabis of all the hormones that you can inject yourself with. The one that you almost can't overdose on. Yeah, you'll get side effects and all that stuff, but you give yourself a big ass, thousand milligram dose to testosterone, you're not gonna die. You try that with insulin or thyroid or any other hormone that we use medisely and you'll die.

You'll kill yourself. That's where it's just like marijuana. It's just like, there's so many positive benefits. There's extremely low risk around it. And so it was just inevitable that eventually it was going to break through and enough people would find out. And in terms of being parallel to marijuana too, they're like having it not accessible for youth

or how that actually interrupts the developmental process is probably not something we want to trickle down on that level, but at the same time adults, your adults, right, this is something that we shouldn't like hammer people about if it actually provides a lot of benefit. No, you know that your cancer risk is up, heart disease risk is up, your brain degeneration, type diseases are higher, if your testosterone is low

and at a range versus if it's high in in range, so it's actually healthy for you. And like someone like me who had everything dialed in, life changing, like it completely changed how I felt. And I'm like, who had everything dialed in, life changing, like it completely changed how I felt. And I'm like, man, I wish, I wish I went and got tested earlier and did this because I feel so much better. It's a completely life changing. So. Well, and I think another reason why I think it's going to explode too is just never in my career have I received as many messages and comments about younger men struggling with low testosterone

than what I have in the last decade. So I've seen that accelerate, and then look at the forum. We have a free private forum for the MindPup hormones, right? So the MindPup hormones forum that you can access for, and look how fast that's exploded. Look at the activity that's in there. There's obviously a lot of people that are curious

or have had their blood work and seen how low they are, so this is gonna continue to go. You wanna go in there too? Oh yeah, that's another thing. That's not just from an interesting story. No, it's obviously had a much lower dose for women, but women get the same benefits that men do when they're low and they go on.

They obviously, you respond better at exercise, you have more energy, you feel healthier, inflammation's down, you know, the list goes on and on. So I'm 100% with you. I think that markets totally shifting and changing and this stigma is going to start to change, especially because testosterone deficiency is a growing problem that we've seen now for the last four or five decades actually we've been measuring this. So I don't think this is going to be just like a, I think it's going to be more mainstream than, you know, people realize. Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaking of science and studies and stuff, I wanted to actually, actually for Adam, I want to tell you about this. I read something very fascinating that I did not know about because I know you have some autoimmune stuff with your skin. I have gut issues that I feel like are also kind of connected to some autoimmune stuff, right? Yeah. I read some very interesting studies on gum, your gums, inflammation, and how that can lead to autoimmune type issues. So I've been reading some studies on this. First off, if your gums are inflamed, bacteria enters through the gums and can wreak havoc in your body.

So heart disease risk goes up, stroke risk goes up, and autoimmune issues tend to go up. Interesting. And so I started going forums and there were people talking about how they got their gums less inflamed and how their autoimmune issues started to kind of go down. So what do you do to get your gums less?

Obviously, diet. So diet, for some people that's reducing grains, obviously water picks, and water plakes flossing, antiseptic mouthwash, we'll do that as well. Oh, that's what led me to that. So I was reading studies on using antiseptic mouthwash to prevent viral load in the throat for COVID and other risk of toward diseases.

That's what I was reading about too. Yeah, and so basically there's a few studies and they're doing more stuff on this where if people did a nasal rinse with like iodine or there's grapefruit seed extract that does this as well, and then they gargle with like an aseptic mouthwash, like lystering or whatever. And they do that twice a day that the viral load gets

so low that oftentimes they don't get the infection. So the virus enters in, isn't able to replicate, and they don't get an infection. They eliminate it, yeah. So that led me down this kind of rabbit hole of other stuff that, you know, antiseptic mal, because they've been around forever. Antiseptic mouthwash is like one of the first

over-the-counter medications. I think it's been around since the 1800s. And then I read this that for, there's a connection between gum inflammation and autoimmune disease. And I was like, what the hell, why didn't I know this? But it makes perfect sense, right? That's bacterial enter through your bloodstream

from your gums. I mean, that's gotta be why it is, right? Yes. So what comes first, the inflammation in the gums or the entry of the bacteria into the... Well, that's part of why you get inflamed, right? Because your gums are inflamed, so then they're no longer a barrier,

they're open, a little bit of bacteria gets in there, bacteria gets in your bloodstream, and if you're prone to autoimmune issues, it's like, it's like sending a signal to your immune system. Attack, and it just hypervigilates. Did you know that the last COVID strain, I'm a chronic right there, so. So the last one, I didn't know this, my buddy,

he got it, I got it, and he That's the last one. What I didn't know this, my buddy, he got it. I got it and he was talking, we were talking about different symptoms. And he was like, yeah, I knew I had it when my mouth. And he starts talking about, and I was like, oh, shit, I didn't even notice that. But you, uh, one of the side effects from Omicron is like a lot of mouth sourced. Yeah, I did read about that. And I, you know, I, yeah, I just didn't feel good in general.

Um, and that wasn't something I was thinking about. But then I remembered like, oh my god, that whole, that whole week, I just didn't feel good in general. And that wasn't something I was thinking about. But then I remembered like, oh my God, that whole week, I was like biting on my, you know, when you get something irritating in your mouth, or biting at it, or picking at it with your tongue, I'm like, oh shit, my whole mouth felt like it was tore up. It felt like I chewed on glass or something. Like it was really weird feeling.

And he said that was really common with Omicron. So imagine if you were somebody who was consistently mouth washing every single day, I wonder, I wonder if they have anything right now to connect the people's symptoms that are like really really consistent with doing that. And if that would have actually mitigated some of the... No, this is preventative. Oh yeah. Yeah.

That's really good. That's shit, right? I haven't forbid I say that. I haven't. That's not a warning label on this stuff. It's got a flag. Yeah, it's outside the norm. Hey Adam, you're gonna be proud of me, by the way. Oh, would you do?

So this weekend, you know how I can be kind of weird about buying things sometimes. Just because the way I was raised. We were just about to buy, can I interrupt? We were about to buy a $99 earpiece. And so do we really need that? Really, bro? $100?

It's a ride off? No, no. No, because we got to have- That's how cheap we is right there. You should have burned money. Yeah, so throw it up in the air, it's gonna burn. Go ahead, finish your story. No, the one we have, I just wanted to highlight

how at your point you were making right there. Anyway, that's how it's that consistent of today. The mattress that I've had for the last, I've had a mattress for last seven years, and I never really paid attention to that. It's just kind of sucks. So I was at living spaces and I'm like, well you know what, let me go,

let's look at these really nice mattresses and I go up there and I'm like, I never really paid attention to myself. Yeah, I'm laying on this. Oh my God, what a difference. Like oh my God, but did you, mattress are expensive? Yeah, for real expensive. It's like four grand.

It's really good to spend the majority of your time but it's important to get it awesome sleep. Oh, it is. So I got myself a really nice mattress. Yeah. And I think that would put the chili pad on it. Yeah. Just some amazing, amazing sleep.

Now, okay, so I. And I thought about you, because I know you always tell the story of that. That was the first big. It was. Life changing for me. The match, that's why I'm such a, I mean, I just, your sleep or for me, okay.

We talk all about like, you know, preparing for sleep and we talk about the blue light and we talk about all those things. A good mattress and a cool mattress to me, like the, so a really nice mattress with a combination of the chili, which by the way, are all expensive. A really nice mattress costs you four to 10 grand easily.

A chili pad's not cheap if you get the two sides that are controlled. So it's a bit of an investment, but the way I look at it's like, one, I want to get another mattress for 10 years, so I want to reinvest in that again. Hopefully the uler continues working for me beyond 10 years. And so I'm set. And it's something that you spend a good majority of your life doing is laying in that. No you're right. I'm in a better mood more off it. Yeah that was a benefit for me

like upgrading so yeah that was a big thing. Did you guys see a so speed of like mattresses and pillows and that whole thing dude there's just been this whole movement towards like pillow fighting. Yes what is that? Competitively. Yeah I'm trying to wrap my brain around that's not the kind of pillow fighting on Like make it like sexy. So it's got it's gone viral I don't know maybe Andrews know me up on the younger trendy things. You know what's going on with that or no? So it's yeah, I want okay on my questions. I got asked that Today or yesterday the about like us all pillow fighting like we would get it up And I or yesterday about us all pillow fighting. Like we would get in a pillow fight. You could do it. So, and I saw, I saw,

Can you guys take your shirt off? Yeah, it's been your underwear. I had each other with pillows. I saw on bar salesports. I saw on ESPN. Like they actually had like two dudes in a ring with pillows and like a match. They were like seriously, oops.

Like, why? Like, ow. You know? They stopped it. I don't know, man. Steven, when I was, why? Like, ow, you know, stop it. I don't know, man. When I was little, when I was younger, you look at professional pillow fighting comes to a TV near you.

I tell you, CNBC. I mean, come on. It's so dumb, I remember. I remember the new pillow fight. When I was a kid, because I have younger siblings, I'd get into pillow fight with my younger brother who's a lot younger than me, and I'd let him hit me a bunch of times,

and then I had just, you know, you get the pillow where most of the weight is at the end because of the... You end up like your fist ends up hitting it because like it goes through the pillow. So when something like this happens, I'm always so curious about the origin, right? There's gotta be somebody who was famous

or has a large following, you did something funny or create a skit or something. And then it goes viral and then everybody. How do you weigh it? Who does it? I know, how did this evolve into a sport? That is like trippy. This is nothing, dude.

I've seen one. Did you see the arm wrestling MMA one? Did you see that one? They're arm wrestling. And the other guy, they get to punch each other in the face. My favorite is the boxing and the near-between rounds. They have to play chess. What?

Yeah, that's funny. Isn't that messed up? My favorite is the boxing and the near between rounds. They have to play chess. What? Yeah. Oh, that's funny. Isn't that messed up? That's not just, oh. Oh. Trying to get the cognizant. I don't know what's going on. Oh, dude, that's not a problem.

No, if you ever want to watch crazy fighting stuff, watch Russian, watch Russian leagues. They get down to you. That was on that Netflix series. So you had us watch, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, You smash there was one where they were using this is true now full armor and iron and metal weapons. Yeah full like medieval Dude just weapons swords and shields and they're blasting each other with that like wow dude like respected like they're living hard Russia does not mess around. Yeah, and then here in the US at pillow fighting Yeah, we got a fill of fire here. Why is that not the perfect sense? Yeah, we're looking soft way lately.

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Safe and Effective. Okay. So first off, why are you asking this question? Are you using this to rehab an injury or build muscle? Yeah, like what's the context here? Yeah, cool ad. No, so I was actually, I just saw the new Spider-Man movie and I afterwards looked up what Tom Holland had done to prepare for the movie. And it looked like part of his resume was doing that EMS training where you hook up to one of those systems and hold a pose.

And I was just kind of wondering about it. I had only heard of people doing it, but I didn't. Save your money, bro. Yeah, well, so there's a lot of stuff that I'm sure he did to get ready for the role. It's probably one of the, that probably had the least impact on his physique. So EMS has been around for a while.

It's been studied for a long time. I mean, I remember reading articles about Bruce Lee using EMS devices. You could buy them through catalogs back in the day. And every five years or so, you'll see EMS cyclical. Yeah, like, ab devices, like where there's ab belt and it's like doing 10,000 crutches while you work at your desk and that kind of stuff. And, you know, put this on your butt and it makes it grow. So EMS basically forces a muscle to contract by sending an electrical signal to the muscle.

Here's what the studies show. The studies show that it does help prevent some amount of atrophy when you're injured and not moving the muscle. In other words, if your legs broken and you can't do anything with the leg at all, so you can't contract the muscle at all, really, then EMS may help prevent some level of atrophy, but not an entire level of atrophy. There's also, you know, it might help connect to muscles that maybe you've lost some connection to, but that's more of a kind of a medical issue.

As far as I've advanced training and building muscle, you're going to, you know, isometrics will do that for you. In fact, generating intrinsic force is going to be way more effective than this external source of force. I know the selling point. The selling point is use this device that's going to pass it. We're going to pass it. There's a passive way to stimulate the muscle, which then they're attributing to muscle growth, which it's really not moving you forward

as much as preserving muscle loss from occurring, like for, you know, again, for rehab purposes, but like trying to sell it as a performance device is kind of ridiculous. Yeah, even in the atrophy aspect, it really has a small effect. I was gonna say, better than nothing. Yeah, even that, it's still sportier than that.

I mean, I would use it, like so if I broke, like you said, if I broke my leg, these tools are relatively inexpensive, right? So if I knew I couldn't be on my leg for maybe three months or whatever the time it would be to heal, I would hook it up to my quads. Why not? I'm sitting there watching TV anyways,

and it's like if it's gonna slow down atrophy a little bit, so it's a little less, but I mean, I wouldn't expect my quads to stay the same or build by any means. And so, I see some people pitch it too as recovery. Yeah. So, you got sore, the day, let's say you train them. I guess if you compare it to like sitting,

laying on the couch and doing nothing. Right. Then maybe there's some benefit. So I think that's good to tell Con, right? So like, and that's where, and by the way, after we do this, I was going to go on a rant anyways on it because whenever I trash something like this, I always get somebody who's like attached to it, it must have been a defense.

Listen, I can sell this shit too. You know what I'm saying? So I could take the information around it and still sell it to people. I just, when we talk to people, we're trying to help people with like real good advice. Here's the thing, like where your salary is just going. If I'm sedentary, I'm doing nothing and I just train the day before, putting that on my legs versus not doing anything at all,

I can show markers of improvement, like speeding up recovery, right? But I would take that and I would say, okay, you get your guy who's hooked up to the EMS, I'm gonna take that same guy and I'm gonna take him through a 30 minute mobility session. Yeah. And I'll show you better results with...

Not even five minute trigger sessions. Yeah, we'll just say it, but I mean, I will blow those results away with a 30 minute mobility session on that person, then that guy is hooked up to a machine that cost him a couple hundred bucks to buy. So that's where we will shit on things like this, is that it's like, well, there's a free way to get better results than that thing will provide.

Yeah, and I know I see how some people are using them now too, well, they've got these really strong ones, and they'll attach it to a muscle. I seem to be like, I don't know. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, they'll put on your lats while you do a lat pull down, and it creates this intense muscle contraction, like an intensity amplifier,

but there's so many non-external ways to do that. And I have yet to see anything that really shows that it's got tremendous value. It's also not very pragmatic. You know, hook yourself up to a big machine while you work out. So I don't see lots of applications. So I hope that helped you out, Colin.

Yeah, definitely. I appreciate it. And then my other question was, what are the benefits and drawbacks of intermittent fasting and does eating in a small window affect the absorption of protein in your body? Yeah, maybe a little bit. Some divided doses of protein within a reasonable amount, right?

So maybe every four hours or so, you'll see studies will show an increase in muscle protein synthesis. So it's probably a little bit better. I would say it's splitting hairs when you consider the context of, you know, what works better for the person and their lifestyle and all that other stuff. As far as intermittent fasting is concerned, the benefits really boil down to helping people develop a better relationship with food. However, that's a double-edged sword.

I would challenge that for intermittent fasting. I would say, I would agree to that with fasting, but intermittent fasting is turned into more of a fad, and it's a window,'re still eating so you could technically you can have an adverse effect for relationship with food instead of you instead of you eating throughout the day sporadically now you eat in this for to six hour window and now you bench because of that so it could promote bad relationship but what we do promote on the show and talk about is the benefits of doing like a day fast right like fasting from food entirely for the day and not for the benefits of doing like a day fast, right? Like fasting from food entirely for the day, and not for the benefits of what everything it does for, you know, regenerations of neurons

and growth hormone production and blah, blah, blah, that there's a bunch of stuff that mark, the real benefit is disciplining yourself to detach from food, to know that I can go 24 hours. My body is not gonna starve, I'm not gonna lose muscle, I'm not gonna die, and go, wow, I didn't really need as much as I thought I needed, and what am I doing with my time now that I don't have

to eat for those three meals a day? We think there's tremendous value in a practice like that and in corporate, in fact, if you go back... Self-reflection. Yeah, if you go back far enough on Mind Pump, maybe three years ago or so, Sal went on a kick for a while, and I remember this when you're promoting

your two to three day fast every month. So I think that's extremely valuable, but he wasn't doing it to get more shredded or build more muscle or to get growth hormone production, all the things that is touted around intermittent fasting, and that's not to say that those things are true. There are good health markers and benefits that are improved by incorporating fasting.

I just think the way it's been promoted, or we think the way it's been promoted, I think it's used like a diet, and we don't use it that way with clients. Yeah, from a medical perspective, there's investigating fasting, like legit fasting for potential cancer treatment or at least in combination with chemotherapy.

So that's kind of interesting, but we're talking about what the food relationship thing, it totally can go the opposite direction. If I'm dealing with someone who's battles with an eating disorder where they restrict themselves, fasting is the worst possible thing I could possibly do. I mean, in extreme case, I could take an anorexic or a recovering anorexic, be like,

yeah, we're not gonna eat for two days. And that what a terrible way to approach food relationship. Really, it works well with people who are afraid to be away from food. The person that feels like they need to feed themselves every two hours are afraid of being skinny and they overfeed themselves and stuff themselves. Then a fast can maybe

be beneficial if they go into it in the right way. But a lot of the health benefits, by the way, calling that come from fasting, cell autophagy and, you know, hormonal effects, anti-inflammatory effects, you see also from a restricted calorie diet. So, it's not unique specifically to fasting. So it's definitely been turned into the new FAD diet, excuse me if you will, but yeah, for the average person, I would never promote fasting as a way for fat loss. The clients I used it most with were competitors.

And what I found was when I coached competitors, so bikini, men's, Fizik, Bodybuilders, they had become so addicted to measuring and weighing and tracking their food and eating six times a day that they carried their Tupperware everywhere, religiously wouldn't miss any of that in fear of muscle loss or whatever or not having enough fuel for the workout. Those clients I saw a poor relationship with food, even though they thought they had a good relationship because they were fit and ripped,

I saw them so attached to food that I would disrupt that by telling them, hey, next week we're gonna go on a 24 hour fast. And I thought, and then I would show them, look, you're not gonna lose a bunch of muscle, you're gonna be just fine. In fact, you're gonna see these other health benefits, watch your mental clarity, watch these other things.

And so I like to use it to interrupt somebody who's attached to food. Other than that, I think it's been overly used or prescribed to people for that. And by the way, the people that get most upset about this conversation are people that sell shit related to intermittent fasting. Like whenever we go on this rant, which this YouTube channel for sure will get some bullshit.

So there'll be somebody who talks shit underneath in the comment section. And it's always some motherfucker that has made their living off of selling intermittent fasting to people. Colin, we lose you. Oh, you got me. Oh, great. All right. All right. Well, so does that answer your question, all right?

Yeah, I did. I really appreciate it, guys. All right, man. Thanks for following me. Appreciate it. Yeah, you too. Bye-bye. Yeah. God forbid. Could you see his face, Doug? Do we ruin his day right there? Or we just crush him? He's like, fuck all the things he's like, I just ordered this. I just got my intermittent fasting. I guess I'll send it back. You know, God forbid there's a study that shows any benefit at all to some. To get to die. Leave it to the fitness industry. We'll make a market out of it. They will turn it into something completely different and market it and sell it and make

people believe it's the next. Well, watch, watch the comment section on this. Watch the YouTube comment section on this. Exactly. There will be somebody in here. It changed my life or somebody who. And maybe it did. Maybe you're that person that needed to detach from food

and learn how to deal with hunger cues and cravings, actually. Or maybe it just worked incredibly well with your schedule. Maybe you had bad habits first thing in the morning. Maybe you were a four-donut, you know, Starbucks, 900-calorie drinker, and because you no longer can eat in that. And I know you don't need-donut, star-buck 900-calorie drinker and because you no longer can eat in that drinker. Now you know, you don't need that many calories for one thing.

It's like, oh wow, it just brought a lot of awareness to your daily habits and it was very beneficial in that sense. So there's a lot of benefits to it, but it's not like the end-all be-all. No, intermittent fasting really should be viewed more as a spiritual practice. I really should. That's how it's existed.

It's an every major religion precisely for that reason. Then the intent is right. Yeah, by the way, it's no different. The only differences we're dealing with food, but the spiritual practice would be like if you fasted from electronics for a few days or fasted from maybe from the few days or fasted from, maybe from the city, you know, camping.

How many times people go camping, disconnect, come back like, oh my God, I feel so rejuvenated, I feel so centered. So that's the way I think it should be viewed. It should not be viewed like a diet. If it's viewed like a diet, you're only really, you're using it wrong, in my opinion. Well, and the EMS thing is just like that, right?

They took a little bit of science and positive benefits that are surrounding it and built it into this whole thing. And that's what, this is another one, like I see a lot of it right now. It's really popular in the, it's making its way big time into the men's physique and bodybuilding world, because I still am connected to a bunch of those people.

And now they're like doing it while they work out, like they've come up to these machines. And it's just like, it while they work out. Like they've hooked them up to these machines. And it's just like, that same pattern, right? They were doing with rubber bands that attach into the machines on top of already having to go. Yeah, exactly. Let some study come out to show that you manipulate the strength curve with using the bands on a hammer strength.

Now every fucking guy is doing it inside the gym. Like it's the next best thing. So I feel the same way about this. If I had a product that was connected to this, absolutely, you could hear me sell it. I could sell it to you for three different ways. It's also, how, like, we always have to look at new techniques and are they pragmatic?

Like, yeah. Okay, there's this new EMS machine, super powerful, and we're watching bodybuilders and strength athletes. We hooked up to it in a gym There's this computer and wires and pads hooked to their back and then they do it like who's gonna do that? Right and is that even is that the same machine that you order online that you get sent to your house? It's not so it also how long you would you be applying that? Yeah, well it's gonna last and also the unintended consequences like I feel like one of the things that we're in the middle of right now with technology

is we're trying to promote people being more active and walking more, not trying to find more hacks on how they don't have to move and still be able to get the benefits. Lazy or ways to promote work. Right, so even if it did have some pretty good benefits from it, I'd be, I'd still be cautious with promoting it because I know that's one of the biggest problems is we just don't move enough.

So I would much rather teach my client, hey listen, not only will I give you more benefits by having you go do this flow session of mobility work or yoga practice, you'll get the same muscle atrophy or not atrophy benefits that you would get from this machine. Plus you're now moving, so we're burning some calories, we're promoting other health benefits. I'm thinking of that also, so it's not just, hey, what does this help work or not work, or is it practical or not practical?

But it's also like, man, right now we're in this, like, people don't move anymore. And we're heading in this direction, where we talk about all the time, the wally look, before you know it, we're not gonna be moving around at all. And this is just another tool, oh, hey, guess what, you don't gotta move.

You know what I'm saying? It's still in build muscle. You know what I'm saying? I remember total recall, we're like, you know, if you can't afford a vacation, how about if we just give you the memories of a vacation? You know what I'm saying? All right, cool, I'll just remember that.

I want someone easier than I did it. Our next caller is Tracy for Maine. Hey, Tracy, how can we help you? Hi guys. First of all, I just wanted to say thank you guys so much for putting out such amazing no BS content. I've had a particularly tough year and have suffered a tremendous amount of loss in a short period of time and I really felt all fell off the fitness train.

I found your podcast and you guys truly reignited my passion for all things fitness and I quite literally, you helped me out of a pretty dark spot. So thank you so much for that. Well, thank you. I'll just kind of read off what I set you guys. I added a couple things. So I'm 30 years old.

I'm a certified personal trainer of nine years. Just like you guys have stated, I do struggle to take my own advice sometimes. I started running OCRs, obstacle course races for anyone who doesn't know. Back in 2014, I immediately got hooked and since then I had ran over 50 races. Mostly Spartan races, but also Tata, long-grants, and I stayed low in my 16, and had podiumed in place in top three for female, top five for age group, and top 50 overall men on my races,

and wow. I've ran all over the country, including all of New England, Colorado, Texas, Arizona, plus many other states. I competed at the Spartan Race World Championships at Squaw my son in April of 2020, but also due to the pandemic races obviously weren't happening. And now I'm finally getting back to my passion of racing the summer. I am 5'8".

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I am 5'8". I am 5'8". I am 5'8". I am 5'8". I am 5'8". I am 5'8". I am 5'8". I am 5'8". in April of 2020, but also due to the pandemic, race is obviously not happening. And now I'm finally getting back to my passion of racing this summer. I am 5'8", all of my height is in my legs. And I've always struggled to put muscle on all over,

but especially in my legs. But since taking a break from racing, I've been able to row my legs significantly and focus solely on building muscle and strength. And repairing my metabolism that I've wrecked with the amount of cardio I did for race training. Another thing I'll note is that I've suffered from eagus orders and bodies dysmorphia up

until just a few years ago. So the fact that I'm happy to be eating and the surplus and putting on size is a huge deal for me. My question is, is since the majority of my training is running, and I'm talking 10 plus miles a day, sometimes four to five days a week in season, I'm afraid I'm gonna go back to being, quote unquote,

a string beam and lose all my gains I've made in my legs and all of my strength. So one, do you think it's possible to maintain my stamina if I cut back on my amount of running? It does a number in my body, and as a mom to a one-year-old, the luxury of going on runs as often as I'd like isn't really here right now. And two, is the possible to maintain muscle size when doing so much cardio even the thing. Obviously, what I do for training for racists works and leads me to the podium,

but with the amount of running I didn't know if it was even possible to keep any sort of mass and also not destroy my metabolism again. Okay, Tracy, do you want us to tell you what you want to hear or do you want us to tell you what you need to hear? You need to tell me what I need to hear. You know, okay, I'm going to give you a short answer, but then I'm going to ask you a couple more questions if that's okay. Sure.

Okay, so the short answer is, can you maintain your stamina with less running? Yes, and I'm basing that on the fact that you're expressing that your body's feeling broken down. So it sounds and feels to me like you're doing as well as you do in spite of overtraining, which you see oftentimes with the lead athletes, that they are, they do as well as they do in spite of the fact that they overdo it. Can you maintain the amount of muscle that you have with lots and lots of running? Maybe probably not, but can we do more than what you did before, maybe with a change in programming?

That's the short answer, but I have a couple questions for you if that's okay. You said you just had your son. And earlier, you can say, you don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but earlier you said you've had a lot happen, a lot of challenging things happen in a short period of time. Are you, is it okay if you kind of go into that? I'd like to know what we're dealing with before I give you some advice.

Sure, sure. Yeah, in January of last year, or let's see, let's go back all the way to one. I think it was July of 2020. I lost my aunt and then six months later I lost my grandmother and then six months later I lost my father. Wow. All very of them were pretty set in. My father in particular was particularly rough. It was very unexpected and tragic. So a lot of that. I was just dealing with a lot of grief.

A lot of stress. Didn't really have a whole lot of motivation to do anything as far as fitness goes and eating well. I was kind of hard on myself, dealt with some guilt stuff. So I was a little bit mad, that's what I'm talking about when I said, I had a pretty, pretty significantly tough year. And in the mix of all that,

because of the pandemic, my husband's job was literally evaporated. So he had to change careers. Obviously I was going to postpartum stuff. I dealt with some postpartum depression. It's been quite the couple years. That's a hell of a ride. Yeah, that's really, really tough and I appreciate you being so open. So thank you very much. I can hear in the way you're talking about it and because it's so recent, there's still a lot of challenge and pain surrounding all of that.

So here's a deal with people like us, because I'm going to put myself in this category, people who love to exercise, as much as we do, we tend to use exercise like a bit of a drug. It's a great way to escape, maybe distract ourselves. Now there's some positives that can be to come from exercise during those times of challenge and grief. Obviously, if it's used in the right way, it can help you stay healthy, it can help you be present, which can be really, really hard when you're dealing with challenging moments. And it gives you a little bit of time to take care of yourself, which I'm

sure you've heard the term that you can't pour from an empty cup. Now, considering all of that,'ve heard the term, that you can't pour from an empty cup. Now, considering all of that, considering all those challenges and that you're still in it, you're still in it, it was recent and I can hear the way you're talking, that you're still dealing with some of it. And the fact that you've said that you've had or struggled with body image issues and food in the past, I don't think it's wise. Okay, so I don't think it's wise for you to sign up for another race or train like you're

going to compete at that level. I think objectively speaking, and I'm sure, and what I want you to try right now, Tracy, is to use the, I guess, the objective side of you. So maybe put aside, maybe some attachments that you may have to exercise or how it makes you feel in the temporary moment. Let's put that aside for now. Objectively speaking, training for an event or training that hard was a great way to push you over the edge, which sounds like you're already there.

You're on the edge, holding things together. Luckily, you probably went into this with a good amount of fitness and discipline, so that probably helped. But I think training for a race and training that hard, or like you're gonna do a race, is gonna push you in the wrong direction. I don't think it's gonna be very helpful. So the real advice that I'm gonna give you, because I did answer your question

about the muscle mass and the running. Yes, you can maintain your stamina with less running, especially if it's more appropriate. Can you have more muscle mass than you did before if you train appropriately? Yes, you can. I do think exercises a phenomenal tool. I think it's not the only tool. There's a lot of things that need to be combined here, but I do think it's an awesome tool

to help you heal and maintain your sanity and your health, but not when you're training that hard. I think you're just throwing stress on top of a stressful situation. The way, if I had complete control over you, I would have you use exercises a way to take care of yourself right now. Purely from that standpoint, forget performance, forget strength, forget, you know, how you look in the aesthetics and all that stuff. I would think to myself, very restorative.

How, what can I do today to take care of me? Because right now, all this other stuff is just, it's big and it's hard to deal with and there's other priorities at the moment. So I need to take care of me. Now, I'm gonna be honest with you Tracy, sometimes that means you go on a 10 mile run, right? Sometimes it means you go and you run and you go run real hard and maybe you cry at the end of me. Now, I'm going to be honest with you Tracy. Sometimes that means you go on a 10-mile run, right? Sometimes it means you go and you run and you go run real hard and maybe you cry at the end

of it. I've done that. I used exercise in that way, but most of the time it probably means you're going to do things that are taking care of your body, probably slower-paced, probably more gentle, probably more mobility and stretching and you know, classes can be really good for this Tracy, a good yoga class where you have to listen to an instructor where they're telling you, you know, this is your practice and not about competing. I mean, a good one can definitely work wonders. That's just one example, but that's the direction I think you should go. I don't think you should right now at least train like you were before.

I don't think that's a good idea. Tracy, that was a long, sensitive answer from Sal. I'd be a little more blunt if you were my client. I wouldn't let you do it. Just that simple. If I cared about you, I loved you. You trusted me as the person to guide you and we had a relationship that I'd hope we'd have.

If you were a client of mine, I would say no. No, I don't want person to guide you. And we had a relationship that I'd hope we'd have if you were a client of mine. I would say no. No, I don't want you to do this. What I want you to do is to trust me for a while and let me lead what I think is best for you. And what I think that looks like is a MAP Santa Ballet type of routine, two to three times of straintaining.

And then the other days are mobility or yoga classes. So, and when you have that desire to go hammer your body for 10 miles, I actually wouldn't want you to do it. I'd say, hey, let's go take a yoga class. Let's go look inward and be quiet and alone by yourself and work through those things and not go hammer yourself in a workout program. That would be that. I would want us to do that

for some time until we worked and processed all the stuff that you, I mean, you're going through a fucking lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. And I would want you to process that first and feel like we've moved beyond that. And we're in a very healthy place, both with your relationship with exercise and food. And then, maybe down the road, we talk about, you know, signing up for a Spartan race and doing that, but for the time being where you're currently at right now, I wouldn't let you, I would just say no.

No matter how much you think you love it and wanna do it, I don't think it's a good place where you're at. Yeah, agreed. I mean, just, and that doesn't mean it's off the table completely, right? That's something that could be revisited, but, you know, spending that extra time to really focus on, you know, building your body up and,

and getting that kind of mental clarity again and being restorative about it, I think we'll do you a lot of good. Yeah, well, you don't want to do Tracy, and you might be noticing this now is, you might be getting signals from your body that saying, hey, that's it's too much right now. And what happens if you ignore that is that those signals get louder and louder.

And you might cause a really bad injury. You might be, you know, you don't want to do, you don't want to be forced to not move anymore because your body just rebelled. This is going to be a bit of a struggle. I don't know if you're already doing this, but I think a very wise investment would be to work with a therapist specifically around exercise. How do I use it? Here's what's happening in my life. I'd like to make myself healthy and not use exercises a way to distract myself

or beat myself up. But, you know, in look, you are a trainer, you know how you would train other people. If you have any, if that clarity starts to set in when you're starting to feel a particular way, separate yourself from it and say, what would I tell my client? And then that's probably the advice that you should take.

And it's way easier said than done. I know I'm saying this, like, you know, like, oh, here's the answer, it's a piece of cake. Yeah. This is gonna be a big challenge. It's gonna be a bit of a struggle. So I'm completely aware of that. So I hope that helps you out.

If you don't have maps in a ball, we'll send that to you, because I do think that's probably the best program to run if you're gonna run a program. I do have maps in a ball, if that's the only one I have. Oh, there you go. I'm also gonna send you maps prime pro because I think correctional

exercise is something you can practice throughout the day. So if you really need to do something correctional exercise, there's lots of benefit. And it's unlikely that it's going to push your body over the edge. You're gonna get some physical benefits from it as well. You'll be improving mobility in ways that maybe you have it in the past. It can be used as a very restorative program. So we'll send that over to you.

And then finally, Tracy, I'd love to have you. Are you in our forum by any chance? I'm not. I'd like you in the forum. Now the forum, people post stuff all the time. It could be all over the place, but here's the real value. The value is in the forum. It could be all over the place, but here's the real value. The value is in the forum.

You have a direct connection to us. Whenever you're feeling challenged or whatever, tag us and post your question or whatever you need feedback on, we typically will get back to people within 24 hours. So, because I'd like to follow up with you. I don't think this is something that I can just, we can just give you an answer and then let you go. If you haven't yet, Tracy, look up the Prime Pro webinar. Have you followed the free webinar that I did?

No. So this week, I'll go back to my prescription to you. I would actually have you just follow that to keep it easy. Like I would say I want you doing anabolic on your other days. I want you to literally follow that video. So if you go to primeprowebinar.com, right, Doug? Correct. Primeprowebinar.com, it's absolutely free. And it's about 50 minutes long. And I walk you

through like a full 50 minute, you know, mobility session from head to toe basically. I think that's a perfect thing for you to just work on. Throw it on your phone, put it on the TV, and spend 50 minutes doing that on the days that you're not strength training. Okay, wow, thank you guys so much. No problem, thanks for calling in Tracy. No, thank you, bye-bye.

Yeah, one of the reasons why I value talking to people live is because had we not talked to her and we just saw the question, then it would have been like, here's your workout, here's what you do for performance or whatever. Here's your nutrition plan, all that's. Yeah, but without knowing like the real content, which makes all the difference in the world. And that's why I asked her those questions because without knowing, I had to know that in order to give the right advice. And obviously not a good idea to push yourself

when you're already being pushed so hard. I wanna say something, and hopefully Tracy, you're listening to the after part of this stuff later on, is this is actually, and I wanted to tell her this, very common. And so we get a lot of heat sometimes for talking about, you know, the negative things of running and marathon runners

and the ocean enough for the competition. But let me tell you, in my experience, doing this for quite some time now, a lot of people that get addicted to or fall in love with these types of races, and this includes marathon and long runs and ultra-marathons. A lot of them are using it as a way to distract them

from other stuff that they need to work on. Extremely common. That does that mean you can't, you can have a, you can totally have a healthy relationship with Spartan races and be badass at it. It totally fine. But in my experience, 50-50, I would say. It's a 50-50 shot.

If I get somebody like this who's like, she's like hardcore, right? 50-something races, like 10 miles a day. She's a killer, right? So I'm not talking about the person who does Spartan race once a year. I'm not talking about that, but I'm talking about somebody who trains like this all the time, right?

50-50, that person a lot of times is just like somebody who is medicating with a drug or something else, they're just using exercise instead, and I have to work through that with them. And so, for the listener who can't relate with that, because they're not that, this is where you need to understand where we come from sometimes when we talk about running,

because there's a lot of people that use that as therapy or a way to medicate themselves instead of drugs. And I do believe it's a lesser evil. You know, I'd much right, I'd much right. Well, it can't be damaging. Yeah, but it can. It can be very damaging and hard to see because it's it's healthy quote unquote, right? So that's where we're coming from a lot of times when we're talking about the people that are kind of obsessed with running an exercise like that. This is actually more common than you would actually think. Our next caller is Tay Wu from California. What's up Tay Wu, how can we help you?

Hey, Cell and Adam and Justin and Doug. Uh, good to talk to you and Adam again. I don't know if you guys remember me at the NCI events. Oh yeah. So I'll see you guys again in April for the coaching console. Nice to, nice to finally talk to you guys again. Oh good deal. I'll see you then.

All right, so my question, yeah, yeah, see you guys there. So my question is about sleep. So for some of the episodes that I've listened to, sleep and recovery under the importance of that, being a trainer and relaying that message to my clients. And but this question is more personal about me. And so, kind of give you a little background. For me, my little sleep routine, I do the whole thing as far as no screens or anything stimulating in our before bed, I read before bed, get in bed and turn on like orange lights and all

that stuff. So I could go to bed around 10, 30, 11 and wake up around 5, 45. But what I've kind of noticed is for the past, I'd say five to eight year years, I've kind of like woken up during the night. So I wanted to say it was like restful sleep. So what happens is I sometimes go to the bathroom so that wakes me up a little bit, but then I can kind of go back to sleep. And then sometimes I was just kind of like wake up naturally and kind of rub my eyes and just coughs around and dead.

But the weird thing is when I do wake up, so when my arm goes off at 5.45, I am up. I don't drink coffee, I don't drink tea or any underneath caffeine, to wake up, and throughout the day, I don't really get energy crashes or anything like that. Which is kind of weird just because I don't think I'm getting restful sleep because I do toss and wake up during the night. And for days, there are some days where I've gotten like three hours of sleep and then I wake up that like naturally like 7.30

and I'm kind of fine during the day. So my ultimate question is, I'm still in my 20s so I'm 28. And I've heard like, I've talked to some of the trainers and my friends and they're like, uh, once you turn 30, everything's gonna go to shit. And so I guess that's my question. Is this gonna change when I'm 30 or is this my sleep routine, all that stuff, how physiologically I am recovering, is that gonna change when I'm 30? I just wanted to see you guys input on that.

Yeah, your friends are wrong, it's 35. It's not 35, right? Right about 35. I knew it. No, all joking aside, okay, so there's a difference between being rested, awake and alert and being wired. So sometimes, especially when you're young, being rested, awake and alert and being wired. So sometimes, especially when you're young,

you get away with lack of sleep and what it does is it just makes you feel more wired. And so you feel like, oh, I'm doing well. And it's hard to discern between the two. You said for the past five to eight years, so it sounds like before you had no issue sleeping, did anything change in that five to eight year period? I know you said you don't use any stimulants because that would have been the obvious question or what I asked. So, has anything changed in that period of time

that could be affecting your sleep? Not really, I'd say. What time do you work out at? Like right now, around 9.30 in the morning. Do you drink a lot before you go to bed? No, not really. I'd say I probably limit my water consumption probably around with 10, like around maybe like eight or nine. And sometimes I'll maybe sip on a all my water bottles just the tiny sips just because I'm like a little parched but other than that not really.

Do you do you feel more stressed or anxious in general? No, that's the thing. So like again, like when I wake up at 5.45 I'm like a positive person in general. So when I wake up I'm up. I don't hit snooze. I don't, again, don't have any energy crashes. As far as going back to the first question of like anything changing, not really, I think the only thing that changed was like my wake up time because back in my high school,

middle school, or whatever, I could sleep in until like 9, 30 or 10. But once I had more clients in the morning, I'm being a personal trainer in a coach and then I have meetings in the mornings at 6. So that's when I started waking up at 5.45. So when you wake up like sporadically, you know, in the middle of the night, you said you could go to the bathroom sometimes, like like do you notice a temperature change like are you hotter like is there like fluctuations in that? Very minimal, I'd say. There. Let's see.

Do you get strange feelings at all when Sal posts pictures with no shirt on that? That's the rationale. I was gonna go next Adam. Adam feels like he's alone in that, but I told him all the time. All the time. Okay. So, yeah. So, Tay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna rephrase your question. Please tell me if I'm done. Yes, if I, yeah, I'm gonna rephrase your question. Tell me if I'm, if I'm on or off. Okay. So, you're asking is, hey guys, I get less sleep than people say I'm supposed to get. But I feel great.

I have a lot of energy. I don't need caffeine. So everything feels good, but I'm worried that something may be off. I just don't feel like it is. Is that accurate? Right, so like I said in the question, like one people turn 30, people all,

once you turn 30, everything kind of changes. That's a bunch of boys. Yes, right, right, right. You know, it was not the fake. Well, you can deal with it kind of changes. That's all a bunch of boys. I guess it is. Right, right, right. You know, it's not the fake. Well, you can deal with it when it happens. Sure. I mean, okay, so my guess, I'm gonna guess here, is because there are, there is a polymorphism, you know, a genetic difference.

It's rare, but there are people who require less sleep than others. So there's a small chance you could be one of those people. What I would guess it is is that there is kind unrealizing, zining stress, maybe around work, maybe you wake up, you gotta train your clients, you don't wanna be late, you wanna do a good job, so it's kind of running through your mind, and that's kind of affecting your sleep. That's what I would guess, but there's not much to work with here

if you're telling us that you feel great, you've got lots of energy, you don't need lots of stimulants, and you're just wondering if it's, you know, you're causing your problem. I wouldn't worry about too much. It's not going to, it's not going to shave 10 years off your life because you went through a period of sleeping, you know, less hours than what people say is optimal. So long as you're feeling good, I think the big thing I would just keep an eye on as you turn 30 or 35 as you get older. I mean, if you were to have talked to me at 28 about sleep, I would have

just scoffed about it. I didn't think I was missing anything. And even knowing what I know now, I still don't know if you could have convinced me to put more focus on it because I didn't think I was feeling anything from it. So maybe, you know, you're fine. Maybe like Sal said, you're an anomaly as far as somebody how many hours you need and maybe you won't recognize that until you get older. And when you do, you adjust and you know, you have the tools, you've been listening to Mind Pump for a long time, you know, what you should be doing.

This reminds me of when Doug was messing with that sleep monitor, and it was like, wearable. And you know, it's, it's, he really got into it, right? Doug, in terms of like the analytics and like, was starting to get a little bit obsessed about it and then actually like interrupted your actual sleep, right? That's correct, yeah. I became very competitive about sleeping. So I got so worried about sleeping,

I started to have poor sleep. And here's the thing about turning 30, okay? Coming from somebody that is way older. Few years older than that. That's bullshit, okay? Coming from somebody that is way older. Few years older than that. That's bullshit. Okay, I'm just gonna say that right now. At 30, 40 is young and fire is real. It's real.

If you think you're gonna have a problem, you're gonna have a problem. If you don't think you have a problem, you take care of yourself, you won't have a problem. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah, I mean, if you really wanna go deeper, if you think there's an issue, I would work with a sleep expert and monitor,

they'll actually monitor your sleep to see what's going on. But there's not much to work with on our end about what you're talking about. Yeah, I'm most concerned about the weird feelings you're getting when Sal do those posts. That's the only thing that stands out. Totally normal out of it. There's no, it's normal.

It's normal, like Sal says. But yeah, I guess going back to the anxiety thing, I think, now that I'm thinking back on it, when I had to teach boot camp classes or like clients in the morning, I think there was that anxiety of like, oh, what if I'm a son of my alarm? And it doesn't go off.

And I think that's potentially why. So. Yeah, that's what I would guess. Were you- That used to happen to me. How were you in school? Were you like a man, I gotta do this. I gotta be perfect straight A's. I gotta work my ass off.

Or are you like that with other things? More or less, I think well in college, I used to be in the marching band. So we would have to be at the stadium at 7 a.m. so I would wake up at like 5.30 or 6, just get ready. All that. So I guess that's when I had to kind of force myself to be like a morning person.

But yeah, middle school, high school, I could sleep until like, well, like under there, I'm tired of tan easily. It's great. Big flu, big flu. You, do you meditate? No. Yeah.

Right before I go to, what was that? I start, start, start a meditation practice. You have some, it sounds like you have some unrealized anxiety that you're not fully completely aware of. And that's what's causing it to wake up early and maybe toss and turn, because you're maybe anxious about being a good trainer or building your focus on something else,

like creating a problem by focusing on something that's not really a problem, it creates its own issue. So it's a- Meditation would help, I think, but meditation's a practice, so it's like exercise. That means you're gonna suck at it for a while, so you gotta keep sticking to it. So just keep that

in mind if you end up taking the advice with meditation. But it feels like there's some unrealized or your, some anxiety that you're just not fully aware of. And so it feels like things are weird. What's going on? But the more I talk to, the more it sounds like you have some anxiety about being good or being a good trainer or waking up on time or showing up on time or building your business, that'll definitely keep somebody. It's like a movie running in the background of your brain. It's just there.

Meditation can help you turn things off or, or actually to say it better, meditation can help you not focus on the movie and the background. So it's just there, but that's okay. You're not identifying with it. So that would be the only piece of advice I could give you based on what you gave us. So I hope that helps. Yeah, I think so.

I think now that I'm actually like talking to someone about it, because I think this is the first time I've actually like dug deep a little bit into this. Yeah, I think the hidden anxiety part is definitely, I'm dropping my ego of, oh, I'm always positive, I'm always energetic, but dropping the ego, maybe I do have some unforeseen anxiety that I've been pushing down, I guess.

So, yeah, this opened my eyes to a lot of things. Hey, no, that's great. That was actually really, really cool change of direction there at the very end with what you just said. That's a great first step. So, we'll see you at the next event, Taboo. Thank you for calling. Yes, sir.

Thank you guys. See you in April. No problem. Yeah, you know, boy, this is Serandi when you get a client and they would talk to you about stuff and he like This is really weird, but then you keep asking questions keep talking and then they it's like it starts to kind of come out I I do feel I get DMs a lot like this and it's And it's it's normally from fans or people that have been listening a lot to the show because we cover a lot of stuff and

Sometimes I feel like people, it almost like what Justin would say, we're almost like they're looking for a problem where there's not a problem. They found a diagnosis for something but they're looking for a problem. Right, it's like, if he doesn't need to use caffeine, he pops right up and he wakes up. I mean, sure we could sit here

and act like a bunch of therapist and try to get to the bottom of like this deep rooted inside. He's actually stressing over something he thinks he should stress about. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, it's like, you're actually what you're talking about right now, just the fact that you're talking about it is probably doing more harm than what is actually happening at nighttime. So just let it go.

I don't think, I mean, he's got nothing that's pointing towards this sleep is really, really affecting him. It's the thought about him losing the sleep, which is something he got probably from us. Let's see to us, talk about that. Yeah, and this is the sort of dark side of like the biohacking community, I think. You get in so much to the nuances of things that are like, you know, like you get so obsessed on every little detail of things and it erupts, you know, the whole, like it tells the progress. And just to play devil's advocate,

it very well could be a situation where the only thing he's aware of is that a sleep is off. But what he's not aware of is why or that he's anxious or, you know, I don't know about you guys, but I've definitely had lack of sleep, but I'm able to function because I'm wired. And because I anxious or, you know, I don't know about you guys, but I've definitely had lack of sleep, but I'm able to function because I'm wired. And because I'm older, I know the difference between wired and, you know, rested in a wake,

right? He might not even be aware of that difference and just be like, no, I'm doing fine. I pop up and I'm working and, you know, kind of, you know, burning his body out a little bit and he can get away with it. So it may be that, you know, it may be one of those things, but I think the overthinking aspect of it, I think it kind of became a little evident as we talked to him a little more, right?

Yeah. Our next caller is Xavier from Massachusetts. Xavier, what's happening? How can I help you? Yeah. Well, first off, I just want to say hi guys. You know, I've been listening to you guys for a few years now, and you've definitely helped me do my own coaching thing, whatnot.

Yeah, so I guess I'll get right into it. So I've been feeling, I would get extremely nauseous in the middle of some of my workouts, and I've been feeling that way since I've been running track since high school. And it would only be during my extremely hard workouts. Now recently, I first noticed it during a really hard like day. I got extremely like sweaty, passed down the floor, well I didn't like lose consciousness or anything. And then right after that I had to go straight to the bathroom and take a number two I guess you would say. So I thought it was food related so I stopped eating before my workouts. I didn't help. I thought it was pre-workout related. What else?

And I looked towards water and salt and None of those things worked out for me. So I was hoping you guys would have some sort of answer. Yeah Yeah, I got an answer for you. Just work through it, push yourself, throw up, and his weakness, you would never hear that from us. You know what you're doing? I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you a little story. So it's just, this is gonna make something up here. Just imagine your friend is literally standing

against the wall and just banging it against the wall and the life. Yeah, my head hurts and, you know, I thought I was hydrated, I'm drinking more water, it didn't seem to help and I thought, you know, I took some Advil, but it didn't really help that much. And I thought maybe I needed more sleep

and I've been sleeping more. And you're looking at them and you're like, you're banging your head. You're putting a helmet on. You're banging your head against the water. It's probably why. The obvious answer is you're working out too hard. I think the reason why that's not obvious to you is because you

think to yourself, this isn't that hard. Why am I feeling this way? Right? Right? And it doesn't always happen, right? You're okay with upper body workouts and if you go easier? Well, no. So I'd be lying to you if I say I haven't felt the dernna upper body day. to upper body day. I will say this though, I did feel it. I've been running that Santa Ball recently and I felt it during the first set of squats and it was the, I don't know if I can talk about this, is that okay? Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's the the two by twelve and I felt it during my first set. I was able to push through it didn't have to run to the bathroom that time, but I did get extremely exhausted. And I, I, it, yeah, I guess I don't want to accept that. Maybe I'm working too hard because it just, it doesn't feel, it doesn't seem like that. Okay, let me ask some more questions here. I actually used to experience this

and I would consider myself a hard gainer. So mine was actually food related, not getting enough food. I wasn't feeling my body with enough calories to support the intense workouts I was doing. Also, something that I heard you say was, so you stopped eating food before your workout, so that would only make that situation worse

because you're even lower than it are right now. And then in addition to that, if you take a pre workout on an empty stomach, caffeine will give that feeling on an empty stomach a lot of times too. So I don't know if you've ever experienced having like a cup of coffee first thing in the morning and sometimes you feel nauseous

if it's like a really strong cup of coffee. Caffeine will do this sometimes and have you messed with your carbohydrate intake? Fruits or oatmeal? Like what kind of breakfast did that consist of? So when this first started, again, I stopped eating and then I started doing it again. I would have maybe like oatmeal me on a banana at first, but now I've been doing

the big old cream cheese banana element tea. And that's kind of been getting me through it a little bit longer. What about the pre, are you taking a pre workout? Yes, yes, yes. How many milligrams of caffeine is in your pre workout? What are you taking a pre-workout? Yes, yes, yes. How many milligrams of caffeine is in your pre-workout? What are you taking? Think it's 1,500, oh, 200 actually, I'm sorry, it's 200 milligrams.

Okay, so a few things here. One, when you, I would schedule a physical, get a routine blood test, just make sure that there's no lacking nutrients. Make sure your iron is okay. Okay. Your B vitamins are okay, because sure your iron is okay. Okay. Your B vitamins are okay, because sometimes I can cause that.

Number two, it might be a deficiency somewhere. Number two, this doesn't happen during normal workouts. This typically happens with hard, strenuous ones. So I wanna say yes, yeah. Okay, so I would just not go super hard for a while. I would treat exercise or workouts like practice. I would practice the movements, train within your limits,

because going past your limit, whether you think so or not is not helpful, right? Get into the point where you feel like you're sick. Setting you back. Yeah, regardless of the reason is just not, it's not gonna benefit you, even if it's a nutrient deficiency. Going past that point is not gonna help you.

So I would go easy. I would either go lighter or less reps or rest longer or less volume or all of the above. And then slowly work your capacity up. Very little by little, work your capacity up. Those are the things I would do right out the gates. Have you checked your blood pressure in a while too? Yes, I actually did. It was a perfect.

Okay, okay. So I know I haven't seen that. It was a 110 over 70, I believe. I would tease out the advice that South said, I think we all agree, go get checked to be safe. None of us are doctors here. There could be something under, there could be an underlining issue

that you're, something you're not getting or something going on that we should check just to be safe. So that's we're going to start with that advice from all of us. But then I would also, I would tease out the pre workout. I've taken pre workouts before and definitely when I'm on an empty stomach and I go to train and that makes me nauseous, makes me have to go take a shit like all the above. So if you haven't teased it out, I would tease that out and see if that makes a difference too. Yeah, I used to take a few different pre-workouts. I've been experimenting with myself

and whatnot and definitely had to rule out one. But you know, it was like my favorite brand. I had to rule them out just because I just wasn't agreeing with my stomach. Yeah, I don't know if this correlates at all, but also when I eat a ton of carbs, I tend to feel the same feeling. Okay. Well, yeah, okay, go get a physical, make sure that your blood sugar and your insulin sensitivity is okay. Okay. Yeah, do you ever feel like an unquenchable thirst? Hmm. I can't say that I have. Okay.

Okay. I would still go get a physical, let your doctor know, have them do routine blood tests. Just the rule, anything out, in the meantime, train well within your limits. Because you're not doing yourself any favors by getting to the point where you feel like you know You need to throw up And then as far as eating too many carbohydrates in one sitting and making it feel crappy Well, you know until you figure out what the deal is I would eat less at a sitting and again Just stay within your limits until you figure out or

Rule out that there's any major medical issue like your, like again, your insulin sensitivity is off because blood sugar issues can cause that and cause nausea, can cause you to make you feel like passing out. It can cause a lot of things, so check that out, make sure there's no nutrient deficiencies and train within your limits.

If your tests come back, doctors like everything looks fine, I don't think we need to do any further testing, then just stay within your limits. If your tests come back, doctors like everything looks fine, I don't think we need to do any further testing, then just stay within your limits and gradually move yourself up. And you can do it. So long again, as there's no major deficiency or medical issue, you can slowly move your tolerance up and up until, you know, you're able to train at a high intensity and not feel like you're going to die. As a hard gainer, I would attempt to eat a good high calorie mill about two hours before workout. I don't know if you're timing it right now

or paying attention to that. Yeah, I wake up first thing in the morning, usually go just because I've had my schedule works. So it's kind of hard to wake up better early or wake up early. See, this is why I think it's low calorie. This is why I think it's low calorie. You're a hard gainer, so I'm assuming we have kind of a fast metabolism, you're on the leaner side,

you're fast at all night where you don't eat. It sounds like you're eating oatmeal and you're talking about four, 500 calories tops. Yeah. And then you're also taking this super caffeinated drink. To me, I think getting yourself better fed Maybe try doing your workout at a later time just to test this and see if it's not that again back to the first advice go get tested That's first and foremost, but yeah

There's some other things that I would also play with like I would try like I I don't ever feel great working on the morning Just never have and so and I get some feelings like this. I normally have to have two good meals in my system before I get a lift, and that's a real easy way to figure out if that's an issue, because if you find that, man, anytime I work out at two in the afternoon or later, I never have these problems,

but I only have these problems in the morning when I train. Well, maybe it's just that your body needs more calories, you're not feeding it enough for the workout that you're doing and then you're feeling the blood pressure blood sugar thing going on that could cause the nausea. So I would look into that. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I guess I should also add that

have been doing more of like a power building style of exercising and it's not super high-rept with the heavier exercises. So maybe that's definitely playing part. Yeah, honestly, you just do it too much. For whatever is happening, it's too much. Train within your limits and go make sure that there's no major medical issues underlining kind of what's going on. And circle back with this Xavier. I'd love to hear what happened. So I want to know what's going on with you. So we get the bottom of it.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Hi, man. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. This is why I, one example, why I recommend good trainers and coaches have a network of people that they can work with. Because I would love... I coaches have a network of people that they can work with. Because I would love... I experienced this a lot.

This was like, I actually experienced this quite a bit, not obviously it's my situation, maybe his is completely different. But there was two main things that really made a big difference for me. Actually, one of them was getting out of the body part split because this was leg day for me. Oh yeah.

20 sets for leg. Yeah, every... every idea about it because of every leg day I was I was on the edge of throwing up every workout and even when I thought I was backing off the intensity I'm I would look at how way everybody else is training and I see what I'm doing I'm like, God, I'm such a whoosh like I want to throw up and this is all I've done like and you are a I want to throw up and this is all I've done. And you are a whistled. But this is bad, right? It was just too much. But I also noticed that if I was very well fed, two meals or so before my workouts that

I didn't experience this feeling, and he already commented about him being a hard game. He might be just a lot lower calorie. I mean, hard gainers normally are not eating enough calories. That's already an obvious thing with hard gainers. So he's probably low calorie. He's in the morning time, okay, when he's been basically fast at all night. Throw some caffeine on that.

Yeah, then throw some caffeine on that. He said, four, five hundred calories and he's going to ride into his workout, not even like fully digested. I mean, it's probably what it is, but I definitely think if you're feeling like this, you know, you want to rule things out. You want to make sure because that could be something that's just kind of hidden.

But yeah, nonetheless, I mean, it is crazy because the last thing a person wants to say is, well, I'm working out too hard. Because what we do is we look at our workouts and we say, well, this is not too hard. Obviously, you can handle this though. Well, yeah, or you compared others like I did. I was looking at what my friends and everybody else was and they were doing twice the intensity as I was, but I was struggling with that. Totally. Totally.

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