Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1769: Ways to Tell if Overtraining Is Killing Your Gains, the Importance of Lifting Form, How to Determine if a Double Split Routine Is Right for You & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: March 12, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The BEST time of the day to workout for consistency and long-term results is FIRST thing in the morning. (4:15) Yes, the Slap Fighting Championship is a thing! (13:22) The guys speculate on why major companies are boycotting Russia. (18:53) An update on the guy's current workout routines and diets. (27:16) How the Joovv panel has Doug’s testosterone going through the roof! (32:55) Kristie Wolfe is CRUSHING the Airbnb market! (39:54) What Mind Pump is watching on TV/film. (45:27) Sal teases Organifi’s new flavors. (50:57) #ListenerLive question #1 - When it comes to the compound lifts, is it better to perfect the form or feel the target muscle? (54:04) #ListenerLive question #2 - What is the best way to workout while in season? (1:06:55) #ListenerLive question #3 - How can I determine if a double-spilt routine is right for me? (1:16:30) #ListenerLive question #4 - Am I training too much to see gains? (1:25:04) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] March Promotion: Limited Time Power Bundle! MAPS Strong and MAPS Powerlift for the low price of $79.99 Mind Pump #1522: How To Stay Consistent With Your Diet & Workout Logan Paul, Arnold Schwarzenegger team up to host Slap Fighting Championship Hitman: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling – Book by Bret Hart The Wrestler (2008) - IMDb Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #1402: Good Stress Vs. Bad Stress & How To Know The Difference Meet the woman who builds the world's most unique Airbnbs Madonna Inn | World-Famous San Luis Obispo Hotel Super Pumped (Official Series Site) Watch on Showtime Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Visit Oli Pop for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “mindpump” at checkout for 15% off your first order** Mind Pump #1500: Seven Lies Fitness Influencers Love To Tell Mind Pump #1732: How To Workout Every Day For 30 Days (Free Workout!) MAPS Fitness Anywhere Stop Working Out And Start Practicing – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Prime Pro Webinar MAPS Prime Webinar MAPS Fitness Prime Pro MAPS P.E.D. MAPS Split MAPS Aesthetic Mind Pump #1142: Nine Signs You Are Overtraining MAPS Fitness Anabolic Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Logan Paul (@loganpaul)  Instagram Jake Paul (@jakepaul)  Instagram Kristie Wolfe (@kristiemaewolfe)  Instagram Tait Fletcher (@taitfletcher)  Instagram Jeff Nippard (@jeffnippard)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, hop, mind, hop, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we did some live questions.

That means people called in, asked us questions about their fitness and health, and we got to coach them live on air. By the way, if you ever wanna be on one of these episodes, email your question to live at minepumpmedia.com. Now, the way we opened this episode was with an intro portion. This is where we talk about current events

and scientific studies and fitness, and we mentioned some of our sponsors. Today's intro was 45 minutes long. Here's what went down in today's show. We opened up by talking about the best time of the day to work out. Then we talked about the new SLAAP championship league that's happening, I guess Logan Paul's putting this together. Didn't know this was a thing, but it is.

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The best time of the day for consistency and long-term results. Midnight. First thing in the morning. First thing in the morning. Do you so close? Have you guys actually ever done like a midnight or? Yeah, come on, dude, of course I have. Yeah, absolutely.

Have you worked out at most times this day? I have, I've done it all and- What about you, Justin? I don't know if I've done a midnight workout. I have. So I'll tell a story and I'll- I tried coming back from the club and working out before. That's what I did.

I didn't go to a club, but I was drinking. Yes, and then I did go workout and ended up pulling a lat. I don't even know you could do that Apparently you can if you've had a little bit too much to drink and you go like that I think it's like maybe the dehydration, huh? I think it was just no like lack of control And on it pull the lat muscle. Don't do that. It's pretty smart. Yeah. No, here's why I think because this is a common question, right? What's the best time of the day to work out now? Of course the best time of the day to work out is Now, of course, the best time of the day to work out is the one that's going to work best for you and your schedule. However, through

the decades that I've worked in gyms, there's some things that I noticed quite consistently with the morning crowd that you see in the gym. So when you work in these big box gyms and you work in them, you know, day in and day out, you start to notice trends. And there's definitely a morning crowd that comes in and they typically come in between 5am to 7am, they're by far the most consistent workout block of people. Well, it's just because nothing interrupts that. It's the very first thing they get up, they go do it, they get it done and it's just like, you know, throughout the rest of the day, you're going to get inundated with all kinds of things

coming your way that you have to deal with. And it might actually like ruin your chance for that window. That's true. I feel like there's a bit of a bias here though. I think that, I think that says more about those type of people than it does the time of the day so much. Like I think if you're the type of person that gets up and starts their routine like that, and it gets, like I think if you're the type of person that gets up and starts their routine

like that and you just like I think it has more to do with them than it does like oh it's because they're doing it in the morning. It's like you're the type of person that will get up an extra hour early to go get your extra chicken to the egg. That's the same person who spends the extra day of studying for the tests when they are kids. You know what I'm saying? It's like I think it says more but the person who shows up to work always 15 to 30 minutes early. That's true. That somebody has more responsibilities in their plate. Yeah.

By the way, I'm not this guy. Yeah. And I will say love midday workouts, but I just can't do that. Yeah, and I will say this, that's why we should learn from these people, right? They have figured out how to keep it consistent and one of the strategies to start your day that way. Things don't get in the way, and it also sets the tone for the day,

because this year's the other thing I noticed about the morning crowd versus the rest of the crowd. They were more serious. They had better moods, of course, the consistency, and the results, the morning crowd was typically more fit than any other time of the day crowd, and it has to do with all of those things. I mean, I've always wanted to be that guy.

I've always, and I've tried multiple times in my lifting career to become that guy, but I just, and I think that my challenge is, and this is just an excuse, right? Like, I love my nights, like, especially even more so now that I have a kid than before, because that's kind of my time with Katrina. I get home from work, I get to play with Max for a few hours before it's time for us to get ready to put him down. He goes down somewhere between 730 and 8.

And basically 8 to midnight is my alone time with my wife where I get to watch movies or have play time. I'm free to wake up early. Yeah, because I stay up late with her, right? And I mean, I totally could discipline myself to say, like, hey, by 930, we're in bed and then that's it. You know, fun time has to happen before that. And if it doesn't, then, but does it rarely happen? And a lot of times she's wrapping up either work stuff still or maybe laundry stuff or I'm cleaning house. And then really it's like 9 930 when we finally get to like, Hey, let's

watch a napkin show. Yeah, hey, let's watch a Netflix show. Yeah, well, also you should add though that compared to the average person, you're extremely consistent. I mean, you don't work out every day, but you work out every week, and you work at least multiple times a week, very consistently.

So it's working for you, but you know, for the average person, because I've had lots of clients where we've had this conversation, where consistency was a challenge. And we said, I said, you know, let's try morning workouts. And of course, it said, you know, let's try morning workouts. And of course, it's like,

oh, I gotta wake up early. I said, well, let's plan it and see what happens. And it's a very effective strategy. Once they did it, it was like they became very consistent. And the other thing for me at least, I definitely perform better later in the day. So I don't have my best workouts in the morning. I'm stronger in the afternoon.

I'm gonna hit more PRs. I'm gonna get better pumps and a lot stuff. That was a point I was gonna bring up, mainly because you also have to enjoy it, right? So I want to be that guy as well and I struggle with being the morning person, whatever. And so, you know, I think you have to go through a few barriers of discipline to be able to get to that point. So there's a few things for me that were hurdles with trying to do in the morning, is that, I just don't feel like I'm even,

I have my wits about me yet. And it takes like some, you know, bit of momentum to get that towards the end of your work at your final, like, oh, now I'm starting to feel it and I'm starting to get in the groove. But you don't get there until like consistently you do this week after a week and it becomes a pattern.

Now your body starts to recognize. And I'm gonna be honest with you, this partially true and partially not true in the sense that, yeah, you do get better at morning workouts as you do consistently. I've been doing this now for years. But it's still struggle. I still won't perform better in the afternoon.

But at this point, what I value more than the superior crazy consistency. The consistency and I'm better at work. It's good, I work out first, come in here, a podcast great, I'm better during the day, I'm better with my kid, it sets the stage, because you know, if you start your day with something hard, I mean, this is a truth now.

You start the day with a struggle that you kind of overcome, which is what workouts kind of are a little bit. The rest of the day tends to move a little. That's 100% true. Even when I hate doing it, and it always sets the tone for the day and it's always positive. So my question to you is then, are you very consistent and disciplined with your night routine because of that? So do you have a hard stop? We do not go to bed later than this or will you even leave Jessica downstairs watching TV and you'll go up to bed at a certain time like what is your nights?

Yeah, so and that's the other thing that I like about it is it also contributes to consistency with sleep because you can't make it work if you go to bed late, right? Yeah, you can. No. Now, the cool thing is my wife also values sleep as well. So by 9.30, 10 o'clock, we're typically in bed and asleep. And usually by 7.30 or so, the baby is down. We might spend an hour with the older kids. So by 8.830, her and I have like an hour or two together,

and then we go to sleep and wait. So it sets everything up and it puts everything in kind of this consistent schedule. If I didn't work out first thing in the morning, it would be, there's no way I'd be consistent. Is that true? So I've sort of thrown a wrench in this whole thing because I've been trying really hard to do like a morning thing and then be consistent.

But I'm in that same predicament where I only have a certain amount of time hang out my wife and it's like the kids go down like at nine at this point just to get them. We try at eight. It just starts to kind of move its way more towards nine. Then we only have that much time where we end up staying up to like 11, 12 o'clock. I'm not really motivated. I'll get up. So my whole thing is to split it up throughout the day. So I'll do like 15 minutes, you know, first thing. I'll go, you know, mid day. I'll try and hit it. And then the end of the day, I'll try and hit it as well. So it's

like it's not as big of a commitment per se, but like, again, it helps to keep me consistently stimulating my muscles at least because I'm in a different goal these days than it was before. I like that a lot, I've done that, and I really enjoy the way that makes me feel. The other thing I'd like to see,

and I don't own these studies on this, but I did notice this with clients, was that their diets tend to be better on the days that they worked out in the morning. And I think it's because you work on the morning and then the rest of the day, now I can see how this might backfire. Somebody may say, oh, I worked out, so I can eat more. But usually what would happen is someone would have

their workout and then the rest of the day, they were like, oh, I'm already working out. Let me eat a little healthier. Let me make better choices. So I would like to see some data on that. This is just my own anecdote, but I think it would also contribute to, because you're more consistent with your workouts, maybe more consistency with nutrition as well.

Yeah, Doug, you're a night owl too, right? You have to struggle to do the mornings I would think too. I do. So what happens oftentimes is I get working on things, and then I see the time getting later and later, and I have to finish what I'm doing. So I wanna be a person that goes a bit earlier, but I don't oftentimes, but I'm still coming in in the mornings and I do prefer a morning workout.

Yeah, you and here with me doing a little bit of... Yeah, because by the afternoon, I'm tired, right? And I don't really feel like working out. Well, if I had a perfect schedule, my schedule would literally be workout first thing in the morning, work, whatever, two, three PM, take a nap. And then, stay up a little later, and then go to bed. I thought a buddy would get like, a nap, dude.

I love nap. Yeah, he gets day nap. I know you'd love that. I can, I can, I can 30 minutes and I can go, boom, 30 minutes and wake up. I wish I, wish you could get a super power. I know. That's great. So Adam, I, I, early you brought something up off air and you said you wanted to talk about this show. I want to hear more about this. Is it Logan Paul or which brothers put together this week?

Oh, oh, and who, he did it with, who was it with? It was the Arnold, right? Yeah, was, no, was it Arnold? It was at the Arnold where they, you're talking about slapboxes? Yes, yeah, they, they partnered up and did you guys watch the highlights from it? Dude, hold on a sec. So we've talked about this. This is a thing now? Well, I mean, partnered up and did you guys watch the highlights from it? Dude, hold on a second.

So we've talked about the thing now. Well, I mean, you've seen, you were the one that first showed me the, Oh, yeah, I know that. But they do it. But it's on mainstream. It made it to the Arnold classics going on right now. Yeah. So it made it there and Logan Paul and I, it must,

is it Arnold? Could you look it up for me, Doug, who he partnered with? It was either him or the rock. He, one of those guys, he partnered with and they put on like this. This is the funniest thing. Yeah, the slap, the slap, you call it slap boxing, is that what it's called? Well it's not because like the slap,

you get one slank it. Yeah, just sit there and you're just like, they have to take it like this guy winding up all the way and just, yeah, it's not boxing like you can cover up and block. It's literally, I'll hit you, you hit me. It's like how much you can take, how much force you can take to your face?

And people think just because your hand is open, you can't like, a few years of someone's brain. A few years ago, you introduced it. I had never even seen it before. And we were on one of those kicks where we were like, weird sports all over the country. And you could, I remember you shared it with us.

If you guys ever seen this, yeah. And yeah, it's getting big now. Who did you do? Oh, it was Arnold. So he did coast it with Arnold. Wasn't sure it was Arnold. Wow. Yeah, and there's that one Russian dude with this one right here There was that one Russian dude with the beard you see that they chalk up their hand and everything. Yeah

Why would you chalk your head better grip on the face? Yes, it's a slide. It's a slip slip over Yeah, so what I'm interested in the technique with it because you'd think if you caught somebody's ear It would like hit the some part of their equilibrium and- Well, I even think too, like if you lead with your palm versus cupped, right? If you cupped, you're gonna absorb a little bit of it where if you lead with your palm.

From what I sink, I watched a few of these videos, the most effective guys, they hit with the heel of the palm and they hit in the chin. Yeah, put a little bit of it. So, a little try to go for that knockout spot. And they knock them out, dude. Yeah. Oh, it's kind of cool. I'm not gonna lie.

It's for a watch. There's a lot of silly leave. You'd signed up for that. Can I say something crazy? If I was, if I was 15, I 100% saw a video of this and then then this one, my friends. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's, that's a given. I'm a part of the news that why I put on their shoes. I'm, I'm just, I'm fascinated in the Paul Brothers and just what they, what they're doing, you know? Like you talk about, I mean, I know if you're like our generation or older, you kind of like, you know, scoff at them or you just think that they're, you know, a bunch of stupid silly kids.

You gotta give them some credit for like, how savvy they are business-wise. I mean, they literally are building an empire. You saw they released that drink too that they're doing now too. I swear to God we are if you you ever seen the parallels between the fall of the Roman Empire and like where our society's going. We're there. We're literally. Our empire is crumble. Literally like they have the coliseum they would have like you know pregnant women fight little Or, that was real. Yeah dude, they would have crazy battles in the Colosseum with weird like situations like two little people

versus one, you know, normal person or, you know, two women versus a man and to the death or whatever. That was towards the end of the fall of the Roman Empire. I swear to God, we're going in that direction. And you guys have seen those leagues where they have, they'll have like five against five, or they'll have armor, and it's legit.

Like they're actually with swords, real swords, and shields, and they're blasting each other. What, this is getting hilarious. Where are we going with this? Well, it's the last before everybody dips it in the metaverse, dude. It's only around there. Yeah, I wish it maybe Doug could look this up for me too,

because I was trying to tell the story to some more. Burn it up the dollar. What? What level? Like so right now we're in what 4k, we're getting ready to move into 6k, I think, or 8k. 8k, right? So we're getting ready to move into 8k. And I thought I heard somewhere that 24k, you cannot tell the difference between reality and virtual reality.

That's a new weird dude. And so, we just went from four, we're jumping to eight right now. So, what? You know what I'm worried about? 10 years, less than 10 years from now. So, here's what I'm worried about with that. When it gets to that point,

the propaganda is gonna be really crazy. How, first of all, propaganda now is very challenging to decipher between what's real and what's propaganda. People fall for shit all the time, including me, right? We're all, oh yeah. Goalable. All the new, we're, right? We're all gullible.

All the new, we're propaganda coming out. It's crazy. What are you gonna do when you see a guy? Yeah, but you're a person saying so. I get the sense, I don't know about you guys, but I get the sense of like, like even like my buddies in I1, we share stuff that like,

did you see this? Like right away now, which was not- It's got, yeah, right away you're skeptical. I don't know, I doubt it. I doubt that, I'm sure that's fake. Well that's part of the problem too, because now, if real not. It's got this as a, yeah, right away you're skipped. No, I doubt it. I doubt that, I'm sure that's fake. Well, that's part of the problem too, because now, if real true stuff comes out, it's like the way it's right. It's like the way it's right.

You're biased. If it doesn't fit in your narrative, I don't, because how many times does this happen? Your share of study with someone or an article, they'll be like, oh, I don't, oh, that's so and so network. I don't even believe anything that they say. Yeah. So you're like, damn, like, how do I, how do I communicate to people who disagree in ways to maybe come to a consensus? That's the challenge.

Did you find what level it is, Doug? What I'm really seeing right now is 16K being discussed. Nothing about 24K. So I'm not saying that. I'm not sure how it works. Maybe it's 32K. Okay, yeah.

So it's somewhere between like 24 and 32 is what I thought I heard is indistinguishable between reality and being in the virtual reality. Yeah. Speaking of all this tech and stuff, so I was laughing because I saw a post on Twitter that okay, so here's some companies

that have boy-cotted Russia. So you know the whole deal with going out with Russia and so all these companies are voluntarily saying, we're banning our Facebook anymore. I saw what it was like Google maps just like eliminated Russia off the map. So Facebook, TikTok, Netflix, only fans in poor porn hub now banning Russia. So apparently what we're trying to do is make them the most well-read smart. Russia. So apparently what we're trying to do is make them the most well-read smart. Awesome people of all. Yeah. Angry. Energy. We're gonna take away porn and social media and what's next? junk food. We're gonna take away junk food. Yeah. Take that. You know, ten years are gonna get healthier

and smarter. Ten years from now they're all fit and smart and you know, like super balanced. They hate what's up. Okay, what's your opinion on a lot of that stuff that's happening? Is it massive virtue signaling? Yeah. Okay, you do think it's that lot of that stuff that's happening? Is it massive virtue signaling? Yeah. Okay, you do think it's that. Okay, so here's a deal. Because obviously, obviously cutting porn hub up is not going to or stopping it from going to rush is not doing.

You have a bunch of like angry like it's more to say, like, angry 18 year old guys. No, okay, so I'm not even going to pretend to really have a strong opinion on this how complex is a very complex situation that's going. I don't think there's a perfect answer, but I will say this. If you look at the historical, just go look at in history the success rate of sanctions and boycotting companies and, you know, or companies boycotting their services or very strong sanctions. And this is just true, so this isn't my opinion, they fail. Far more often than they succeed. Because what happens is,

I saw you tweet that and you got into it a little bit. I was reading your thread on that. And my thing that I would challenge that is, it's different though this time than it's ever been before. The type of sanctions that we can put on as far as how crippling it can be to a country we cripple the shit at a Germany after World War One. We crippled the hell out of them, which gave rise to Hitler. So here's what tends to happen.

And I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I'm not saying we should. I'm not going to even pretend to be an expert in this, very complex, but I will say this. Again, if you look historically, here's what tends to happen. When you do crippling sanctions on a country, just in boldings are leader, right? Well, it doesn't hurt the people at the top because they can get what they want still. When it does, it hurts the people.

So now there are prices of energy are super expensive, their food's expensive, they can't get the goods they want, they can't do what they want or whatever. So what they, what tends to happen is they tend to get angry towards the countries that are issuing the sanctions, not towards their leadership. What it tends to happen is it tends to create this really strong nationalism where they get behind their leader because now what's, it's really easy for a leader to say, you know, us versus them, right? Yeah, we did this to, you know, again, we did this to Germany, we did this to, you know,

Cuba and lots of other countries, is these leaders come out and say, look at all these countries that are trying to hurt us. We need more power, more sovereignty, get behind us, and they tend to do that. So we may galvanize the Russian people behind their leaders with a lot of sanctions. Now I'm not saying we shouldn't do them. I'm just saying it's not as easy as take all their stuff away and they'll do what we want and may backfire to the point where they support even more so what Putin's doing and you

get this real strong. Imagine if this happened in America. So right now if you look at the polls, Biden, very unpopular, although his popularity is going up a little bit because we have a foreign threat, this is always what happens. Nonetheless, very unpopular. Imagine if all these major companies started taking away their services and putting sanctions on us. We go to get products and services, everything's five, six times, ten times more expensive. People are struggling. What can we do? It'll be really easy for

Biden to get everybody behind him. Right. And say blame it on them. Of course. So it's not an easy situation. And a lot of these companies are doing it because I think they wanna show that they're supporting but who they're really hurting is, or the, for example, God, there was a Russian writer, I can't remember his name, it's really pissing me off right now, but there was a Russian writer who wrote about the oppression of communism, he wrote from the Gulags

and his books are being banned in some European countries because they're banning Russian writers. Like the irony of that. Here's somebody that was that wrote about, you know, oppression and tyranny. Like, tyranny. Or warnings of, yeah, and we're like, yeah, or we're banning Russian students from doing certain things, Russian teams. I think the FIFA video game or whatever, the soccer game took the Russian. Yeah. It's like, what do you, like, you know, I think the FIFA video game or whatever, the soccer game took the Russian. Yeah.

It's like, what do you, you know, who are you hurting with that? And the blowback from that might, might be a lot worse than what we think we're, we're accomplishing. I think that's, you know, we need to consider that. Yeah, it's so complex. That's why I get so annoyed with anybody that has an opinion about it, but just based off of what mainstream media tells you how to think. Yeah. Like, let's slow down and think about this,

like how all this is gonna work out. So I think the thing that interests me the most of what's going to happen or what move we're gonna do next is that this idea that we're probably gonna end up having to print more money. That to me is what's going on. If you wrote like a game plan and you wrote, and you're like, okay, how do we destroy the dollar?

It would be exactly what's happening. How many times we've done this so far, so it's a pandemic? Yeah, because we have inflation was going through the roof anyway. Gas is going through the roof. Food price is going through the roof. Now we're going to do these sanctions, which is, already wheat is exploded in price,

so it's gasoline. If gas gets more expensive, everything gets more expensive. Because how dependent everything is on fuel. So prices are going to go up. People are going to be able to afford things. So the Fed then comes out and says, we're going to help you out by printing more money, which then can cause more inflation.

So, you know, it's like a death spiral. Yeah. So, see you at a... Hopefully not looking good. Hopefully they create a world currency. You know, digital world currency. No. I mean, I really, digital world currency. No. No.

I mean, I really think that's what's coming. And I think that we're gonna see you be eye. I really do think that it's gonna be a The case will be made. A government digital currency that's going to help all these people get gas, get food, get these things with they'll say where you can use it. We have limitations to it.

Everybody or I should say not every, most people are gonna get behind it. They're gonna think it, because they're gonna be getting tired of $10 or gas prices and $7 or loaves of bread. You're gonna see that happen. And they're gonna go, we need this. And it's gonna, they're just gonna let the government

get a little bit more of a foothold now, dude. It's gonna be really, really weird this next year to two years. Yeah, what's that quote from, was it the Rothschild quote? I care not who makes the country's laws so long as I make the currency or I control the currency or something like that. Yeah, there's a lot of power in controlling the currency.

Especially if it's digital. So I'm not saying this would happen, but I'm gonna let everybody put on our 10-foil hats for a second. If all currencies digital, it's not hard for an emergency to gather support for now the government to say, this group of people, that group of people, you're not allowed to use your money. Or you can only use it on this. Yeah, there's going to be restrictions all over the place. Yeah, what does it say? Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care

not who makes it. Well, it's laws. Yeah, that's a plus. Plus you see what happened already in Canada. The, that's a perfect example of like being able to freeze accounts just on a button on a whim. Like I'm just going to freeze your account. Now you have no money. That's scary. That's really. Who wants to give the government that kind of power?

Well, they already have that power. You just have to go through the court. You just, you just don't want them to have that power without the court. Yeah. That's when I'm like, uh, because you could do that now, right? They can go to the court. You just don't want them to have the power without the court Yeah, that's when I'm like You can do that now, right? They can go to the court and put in making freeze. Yeah freeze anybody's account Yeah, but they have to get the the court approval You don't want is no court approval and that's just cuz I mean well

Yeah, if you're guys not the guy in power. Yeah, dude What do you think of Elon coming out and saying what he said about? Oh, he's he is Tony Stark. I swear to God in the movie. He's the last great hope we got for him. He said, he literally said, we need to, in the moment, to kind of solve this issue, we need to get, produce more oil and get on track with nuclear, even though he knows that'll hurt Tesla sales. Wow, that's pretty crazy. For someone like that, for someone who's so motivated by money as how he's paying it, that's a bad business decision to promote more oil and stuff like that. Like it would go in his favor.

No, not at all. So anyway, so how's your guys' training going? We talked about working out in the morning stuff. We haven't had a little update on workouts and what's going on. Yeah, I'm floating right around three times a week right now. I had a good lift over there. Right now, it's weekends have been best for me. I'm pretty consistent with hitting bullies. So do you go Saturday Sunday? Yeah, typically hit Saturday Sunday and then I get one, maybe two times during the week

right now has been kind of like what's happening. Consistency. The Traff ever since, you know, Google, I think Facebook, who else came out with the, you know, they're starting the coming back to work thing. Oh, traffic's coming back. Oh, yeah, it's just gotten, I mean, this morning again was crazy. The last two days, it's taking me,

ways is taking me different routes to get to work because it's just, especially in here, right? Once we get into San Jose, it's like so bad. So, yeah, training in the morning, or even here, like afterwards, I'm like, shit, I wanna get, Cause then it takes you an hour and a half. Yeah, cause then I take, it takes forever to get home.

So Justin, did you get that sled that you were talking about? I did, yeah. So what is it, it's on wheels? How's it, how's it going? Yeah, well, yeah, so it's on wheels and it's a torque sled. So basically you can create the resistance of what you kind of, with no weights.

No weights, yeah. So you just, you sort of torque up the amount of like pounds of pressure you want to. Now will that feel different? Probably. Because the physics of it is because the way it's resisting versus like actual load. Can you load weight on it still too? Yeah, you can. Oh, there's ones that you can actually put loaded weight, you know, and stack it on there.

So yeah, I just got that. I haven't really messed with it. Yeah, I'll give you guys an update with that. But I've been doing a lot of the gymnastic rings training and all that in my backyard when I get home. So I have to do that. Do you put the tights on and everything and get into the holes?

I want to picture this right now. I take a ribbon and then I salute myself and then I get after it. What kind of tights would Justin would fit Justin's case? This is like, it was me. I picture like an evil, an evil type of like color masking going on. A onesie?

Yeah, like an evil, an evil like one Z, bandit, how do you remember? Who was it? Who, remember that wrestler in WWE at, this back when it was WTF, was the name Bam Bam Bigelow? Remember, you had like the,

it was like this cut low. Yeah, under his lip. It's like, it's like one strapped that goes like this. Cross like old strong man style. Look at Bam Bam big low. That guy was a, I think he had flame tattoo on his head if I'm not missing. Oh yeah, I think you're right.

Yeah, I think you're right. He was a badass. Yeah, I remember those stringers. Do you ever work out like that Adam? Cause I know you were a bodybuilder. Did you ever have, I did for a minute. No, you did it. I did for a minute.

Were the nipples, like it was just barely any, it was like no shirt. You know what I'm saying? It's like the, that way you can still work out in the gym, but you really were wearing like this. Sort of got loose. You could see did it. I did for a minute. Where the nipples, like it was just barely any minute. It was like no shirt, you know what I'm saying? It's like the, that way you could still work out in the gym, but you really were wearing this. Sort of. It was like all loose, you could see through it. Yeah.

It's just serratous. Yeah, I mean, I fully embraced the men's physique, you know, jacked bodybuilder guy for a minute there, you know. So, that's Bam Bam right there. That guy right there, man. That's back when wrestling was amazing. Is he still alive? Very flamboyant.

I doubt it. Yeah. Dude, I met, I. That's back when wrestling was amazing. Is he still alive? Very slam-bow. I doubt it. Yeah. Dude, I met, I told you guys about when I realized how like really damaging pro wrestling is the body. I, let's see, this was, I wanna say maybe 18 years ago I went to, he did die, 45 years old. Yeah. Holy cow, what do you die?

How do you die? Oh, let's see here Multiple drugs found in his system cocaine and benzodiazepine If you read that the the bread heart biography I think I've told you guys about it before like they get into detail about that whole this whole era and just how create like they literally had like Doctors there and the guys would like right grocery cart like go in and just whatever prescribed like a new bane I think was one of the drugs that they use a lot of paint everything so I remember I was this maybe 18 years ago

I was costly in pain I was at the Arnold classic and now when I was a kid one of the wrestlers that was kind of popular was the iron cheek you guys remember having a good so and use this was back during like his against whole cooking quite a few times yeah dude kind of jack Persian dude right and I remember having a movie. Of course. And this was back during, like, this whole cooking quite a few times. Yeah, dude, kind of jacked Persian, dude, right? And I remember, so this was 18 years ago, and so he must have been maybe in his 50s, maybe 60 if you like, you probably would have laid 50s back then,

and he was signing autographs, and he was sitting at this table, and he had a cane next to him. And he was signing, and I remember he stood up to take a break, and he looked so broken And I remember thinking like oh shit like this brutal. Yeah, dude. That's well What was that movie? Is it called the wrestler the one with?

Forget his name, but he's making it work. Thank you. Yeah, that was like really good I felt like that was a good depiction of what it must you know it was I think it won awards and everything for it because of how accurate, I mean, obviously he played an incredible role too, but I think that's, I think that was like the first like movie that would like really depicted what they're behind the scenes,

how they're just, you know, struggling and pain or like always trying to get back. We're such interesting creatures, right? How we could, you know, you have a passion for something like that and even though it's just like totally destroying your life and everything like that, that you just continue to go on for that. It's worth it to you, apparently, to sacrifice everything for that. Yeah, it's like that, the Olympic gold thing they did,

where they did that survey on the... That's so crazy. Yeah, that's so... The majority of people said that they would die in five years, the win gold. Yeah. Which is just insane to me. Yeah, pro wrestlers, we typically don't put them up at the top of the list near the top of incredible athletes,

but they deserve to be there. It's not like massive, huge strong agile. Super athleticism, super like huge physiques, right? That they have to maintain and then just the constant impact and trauma they're putting their body through. Like it's pretty crazy. It's remarkable. You know, speaking of these guys and, you know,

all the steroid use and all that, I wanna talk about, I think, Doug's taking steroids actually. Yeah, something like that. I see. He hasn't told us yet. Yeah, I mean, I'm on testosterone and I think he's taken steroids. Yeah, something like that. He hasn't told us yet. I mean, I'm on testosterone and I think he is still scoring higher with his testosterone levels than I am.

No, so Doug's been doing something, so he's not taking steroids, but he has been doing something. It's not the kombucha. So, first off, Doug, what was your latest free testosterone? Not the free. It's a total testosterone. Oh, total, sorry, total. Yeah, yeah, total testosterone sorry. Yeah, yeah.

Total testosterone, 1086. Okay. And the limit, depending on the lab, is 1,000 to 1,200. So just for the audience, he's at the top of normal, like the top top of normal. Yeah. And he's, you know, hold your dog, fiddle my me asking. 56. 56 years.

Going on 75. That's incredible. Yeah. It's incredible, right? So So 56 top of the top list. Now before that, your testosterone was 900 or 800. So yeah, back in July, I did another test. It was 1039. Back in March, it was 954. But remember a couple of years ago, we went to that, was it called, it was an Ageless Man or something? What was the name of that? Ageless Man. And I got it, I got it tested like of years ago, we went to that, what's it called? Was it Ageless Men or something? What was the name of that? Ageless Men. And I got it tested like two years ago,

was I think around five, 60 or something like that. I wish I had that number in front of me. But what I did after that, I started using the Juve panel on a regular basis. And up until like, I don't know, about four months ago, I was using it probably three to four times a week. Now are you doing it just on your body or are you doing it? I'm putting in where the sun don't show.

What I do is I just sit down in my bathroom, I have a panel on my door, and I sit there, completely naked, and just, I mean, I listen to something, or do something while I sit there. And I just let that red light wash over me. But over the last three months or so, I sit there and I just let that red light wash over me. But over the last three months or so,

I've been doing it maybe just once or twice a week. So before my last test, I thought, well, I might see a decline because I'm not doing it as much as I was before. Yet I did see about a, was that about a 45 point. So you scaled back and you did notice a dip down a little bit. No, I did not. I was thinking that it would dip down because I was doing less of it. So I have a theory, like, and you see this with a lot of things, that things that induce adaptation,

you require certain dose, and then to maintain those adaptations, you tend to require a lower dose. Yeah, because I've been doing maybe once or twice a week now. It's so just not, you know, not as religiously as I do. I mean, it's not a theory that's more proven. Well, it's proven in a lot of things. I don't know if, so think of all like adaptations like strength. Yeah, think of the thing of your, like one of you love to do the skin.

Yeah, so you get a certain, to get your skin to tan. Yeah. You need so much sun, but to maintain it, you probably need less, right? Yeah. You build strength and muscle, you need so much volume and frequency,

but just to keep it, you need a lot less. Like I feel endurance, you know, flexibility, whatever, you name it mobility. Yeah. So it makes sense that to get for Doug to raise his testosterone with, and by the way, this isn't like, you know, magic. This is backed by study. So this is legit. So what he experiences in just anecdotes, their studies that show this actually happens with red light therapy. The red light penetrates the cell and gets the mitochondria to operate a little bit more effectively and efficiently. And if you shine it, if a man shines it on his testicles, it affects the lighting cells which produce testosterone or luteinizing hormone. And so it makes more. And this is what they've shown in studies. So you did three days a week, went down to one,

and you maintained high testosterone. Yeah, as we need to bottle this up, oh, day, duck. Oh, yeah. New, new, new line. No, another is testosterone, 500%. Yeah. Not 500%. I mean, do you walk around with boners all day long? What's that like? I'm not going to disclose that information. Yeah, I always want to know bon Yeah, no. I always lost a no-bonaire. So last time we talked about this, I talked about how I'd improve my sleep. Yeah. And that's another thing that I haven't been doing

quite as well with since last time is I have been going a bit a bit later and not getting as many hours of sleep. And so that was another factor I thought would drop my testosterone, but it didn't do it. Wow. So not that I'm suggesting, not sleeping a lot, but yeah, we're other things on your life,

like your personal life and stress and all the other things. I have plenty of stress, trust me. You need to have no way. You notice that, just, I notice I looked at Adam when he said that. I have a lot of stress, Adam. I have plenty of stress in my life. I have a lot of things are going really well,

but I have certain elements in my life that do cause stress for sure. Yeah, I wonder how much of an individual variance there is to things like that. Everybody has their thing. I mean, you've talked about your personal stuff. You've talked about yours. I've talked about mine.

We all have these different things that stress us out or that we're concerned with. Like, I wonder if those individual things make a bigger difference than things that would be more common for another person, right? So, do we have that much of a variance on like, how we perceive the stress? Totally, do you think about it?

Think about like something that stresses you out, right? And how you may have a friend that that same issue wouldn't necessarily stress them out. Of course, it's all how you perceive it, 100%. Like it's the relationship you have with stress. It's not the, this issue itself, it's all how you perceive it, 100%. It's the relationship you have with stress. It's not the issue itself, it's the relationship. I also think it's chronic stress versus what do you call it? Acute stress.

So mine's more acute. It's adorable. It's adorable, yeah. No, it comes in little spurts, depending on maybe hormone levels of certain people, et cetera. I won't go into detail on that. No, no, no. You did that to sickle.

I'm not throwing anybody under the bus or anything like that. But you know, chronic stress is probably something I really don't deal with, but it's acute stress, yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. But that's crazy, that it's that high. But I mean, I trained you for a while. Doug is definitely one of the healthiest people, just in terms of vitality. Yeah, that I think I've ever met.

It's pretty good. It would be cool if we had something, you know, kind of like how we have these glucose monitors right now, if we had something that actually like real time measure testosterone. Yeah, how cool would that be to be able to? You imagine that?

It'd be really cool, because it could get a bit... That's fluctuating quite a lot. Well, yeah, and you could get a bit of an idea. If it gets out of the shower. Do you? Yeah, I mean, I, baby cries. I would just be really curious to what things impact it more than others.

I mean, right now I'm like, I'm kind of geeking out now on the glucose monitor on the different foods that affect me. Like, I was surprised that I could get away with eating the tentacos and it not crushed me. But then I had, you know, a cent one cent. Was it literally 10? Yeah. Well, you actually, I thought you were exactly.

You were a 10-tocco. No, no, no. You ate 10 individual tacos? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. 10 tacos. How big were they? I mean, you're standard home tacos. Holy shit, home tacos.

Really? Yeah, no, I could crush them. I'm Mexican broke one. So, I'm saying, so, so, so, so, so, I can ask you if you could eat a bowl of pasta, you know what I'm saying? What? It's like a dinner. Whoa, a whole bowl, you're like, yeah, dude. Yeah, right.

Or just potatoes. Kind of the same. Yeah, just it with potatoes, right? Do you have speaking of potatoes? Just as you're whisking. Listen, so I read this article and the girl's name is Christy Wolf and she is making it or wolf. Wolf.

Wolf. I like wolf it. Wolf. Wolf. Wolf. I like Wolf better. There's an L on there. I did say Wolf. Did you say Wolf? Wolf. Wolf.

Oh my gosh. I didn't rule the L. So anyways, make fun of my list right now. So Christy Wolf is this girl who has these short-term rentals on Airbnb that have become like world famous. She's only got a handful of them. One of them is a fucking potato. So look her up, you gotta look at it.

I think I've heard about this lady. She also have like a hobby. Yes, that's her. I love it. Yeah, I've seen her. This is kind of like the idea. She's genius though, because- What do we have?

Yes, what's genius, I'm so interested in it because- seen her. This is kind of like the idea. It's genius though. What's like the idea? Yes, what's genius, I'm so interested in it because we want to open a chain of pizza houses. No, no, that's not what we're trying to do. I mean, I just think that, so you want to talk about space and obviously you need a little bit of capital, although she did it on a very, very small budget. But where this whole short term rental Airbnb, VRBO thing. But, you know, where this whole short-term rental Airbnb, VRBO thing is going, is to really compete with hotels and we've already seen them disrupt that space as is.

Yeah, so experience is basically. Yeah, and so look at this, she's like in Idaho, she did this potato, like Justin said, she did. Oh, I know, the tropical tree house. Yeah, she did. And they're all, I mean, they're not, like, there's a hub at the house right there. Yeah, they're, they're just unique kind of spots and these cool little

experiences and they're not like super high in, but she crushes it. We should do it like they each make like six figures. Have you guys ever heard of fantasy in? Was that what it's called? You guys ever heard this place? They have like, like rooms that are themed and you go with your spouse and there's like,

like, you never heard of this? The Madonna ends like that. The Madonna ends like that. Oh, is that what I'm thinking? I don't know. Madonna in has like the in San Luis Obispo is like that was like Cal Boy theme in one place and then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tropical and another and all the rooms are like, you know, dress up and yeah, do your thing. Yeah, we can do it. We can do it like a sex house. Oh, 100%. What do you do? Yeah, we could do it like a sex house. Oh, 100%. What do you mean? Dude, that would be real. I told you guys a long time, I'm like,

I would love if we do like tree housing, but I was like, make it like, you know, indoor. Like, it's all like Ewoks. Yeah. Yeah, that would be, that would be a tree house. Yeah, so you have all tree houses, Airbnb's. And so they're all connected. I don't think you know what indoor is. Yeah, no, that's the planet. I have all three houses air B&Bs and so they're all connected I don't think you

Know's what and or is yeah, no that's the planet. I think indoors like outdoors indoor is the planet where you Just can't do it's like this reference like that and not explain dude Is assume everybody knows what that is like you watch me? We were kids I did but I don't remember like names of the planet they came from yeah, so yeah I think that would be a great idea to be cool. Yeah, I think that would be a great idea. It'd be cool. Yeah, I think it would be a great idea. Well, you know too, okay, so they actually have this cruise that is all Star Wars seems pre-ridiculous actually. But if I was like, if my kids were a little bit younger

and were still in the Star Wars, like I was, like I totally would take them on it. But like you wake up and like these people in character and costume like wake you up, they bring you in and like you do these missions and stuff like on the actual ship. See look, that's very cool. Look how cool that is right there.

Yeah, that would be super rad. So we have, we have ones like this appeared, not too far from you. Well, there's one, this guy, that Nelson guy who does the tree houses, like I watch all his shows all the time, he makes rad tree houses, but like he has a whole sort of cluster of them together that he rents out.

How close are you, be very honest, Justin? How close are you to going to these Comic Con things, completely dressing up? I'm totally, I towed the line every day. Yeah, yeah, for reals, right? So if your wife was down, you would go dress up and have a look. Oh, yeah, I mean, it's, no, I wouldn't, like I just, What do you mean, no, I mean, I'd hang out, like I would go, but I wouldn't go and cost him. I think that's a lie. I totally think that's a look. Oh yeah, I mean, it's, no, I wouldn't, like I just, what do you mean, no, I mean, I'd hang out, like I would go, but I wouldn't go and cost it.

I think that's a lie. I totally think that. I think I would take his wine. I think it's just, I think I'd hang out. I think it's one of us to convince him to do it. I can hang out with people, like, I don't actually test him. Like I wouldn't even, we'll bring it up like randomly.

But, okay, I really want to do this, but like, I am so down. I'll tell you, it's just like this, it's like our buddy, Tate Fletcher, right? He was actually in Mandalorian, right? And so he was got to put on the outfit and all that, like become one of the Mandalorians and I'm like, dude, if I was actually like an extra in one of them,

then I'm all in. I'm actually there. Otherwise, I'm like, you know, you'd be like an extra, your face is covered, but then you turn around all the comic. Harborset, I will live off that for the rest of my life. Okay. I was in this for that one second Here's how you would justify it. This is how Justin would do it. I know it

It would have to be a somewhat functional costume so like real armor. Oh, no, this can actually block bullets or something like that Then he would do it. Yes, so I could just because it has the Mandalorian steel What's it called gas bar? Yes, gas Yeah. What's it called? Gaspar? Gaspar? What's it called? What's the met? Am I fucking it everything? Best car.

Best car. Way off dude. He got so mad. Still here to you. Got me for messing up. Hey, when's the next one? I'm already missing the Star Wars series right now. When's the next one?

Who's the next one? And do you know? The next one goes back to Mandalorian, I believe. But I mean, we've all been waiting, you know, us in the community here. Yeah. Or maybe you're a friend in your pocket. Or maybe you want a series.

The SW community. Is that, is that, is that Obi-Wan? Is that who's supposed to be next? Yeah, well, no way. Who's supposed to get a trailer for it over the Super Bowl and nobody. Look at you all, man. Cause you get your trailer.

No way. No way. So there's no really good series on, right? I finished, No, they're moving on to Moon Knight. So I don't know if you know that Marvel character. So I actually, as a kid, I used to, I used to buy comic books.

And for a second, their Moon Knight was a new comic and I had like five of the comics. It's kind of an interesting character though. So I wonder how they're gonna just, they're gonna show him. Yeah, it's interesting cause it's, I mean, they're trying to compare him to Batman, right? Yes.

But it's not quite Batman and he gets all these like, so I don't really know the backstory. I tried to kind of look it up. I think it's like Egyptian God power. Yeah, so he gets something like transferred from some ancient Egyptian. It's not the, like Batman's got kind of a cool costume. It's a little more realistic too.

Like he's just a rich guy that has a bunch of cool shit and he's like, ugh, I'm not mad. Yeah, we'll see, it'll be interesting. Did you guys see the new Batman? I heard it was really good. I heard it was really good too. Yeah, I heard it was three hours too. I haven't seen it.

You have to go to the theater. I do wanna see that. Yeah, I always like that. It didn't open on, you know, I hate sometimes I do with HBO or Showtime. He's got the best villains, like that makes makes that who's the villain in this one? Ridler I believe oh Ridler and then I don't know if they have

It's not kingpin or like a pink one guy penguin. It might be I think they did I thought they brought back a lot of the bad characters. You know, it's cool with with Batman is it either goes campy Like it did with Val Kilmer and that series. Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey or it goes dark. Like scary. I hear it's like that. I heard it's really good.

I mean, people say it was the best DC movie yet. So, yeah, that's what people are saying. We'll see. I mean, I don't want to watch it. I can't wait. You know what, I just start last night. I started the Uber series. You like that, Doug? Oh, yeah last night. I started the Uber series. You like that dog. Oh, yeah, yeah about the company Uber. Yeah. Oh, is that that's why you're all

All right. Yeah, yeah, it's in the middle of person that wasn't it. I don't know his name. He's a big actor. Gordon something. Thank you. I'm so terrible. It comes to like famous people. Um, yeah, it was it's it's interesting. It so it's got it's a series, right? It's like one of those, like, what do you call it when it's, it's like a docu-series, but it's not, but it's reenacted. Is it a drama, is it a drama-tization? Yeah, is of a documentary, is that what I'm saying? Yeah, I didn't know if there was like a name for that one.

A drama series? Because it's not, like, you know, it's based on, it's all like reenacted, but it's a bellish, exactly. So that's, so, but it's, so yeah, I'm, well, what I'm really interested about, it makes me want to go read on it Like there's a book related to this is how much of the embellish because the original CEO of uber was quite wild I didn't realize how kind of crazy out there he was well uber. It's also Joseph Gordon levit so oh yeah

That's right uber is such an interesting story. It's a buc, because the whole taxi cartel was so strongly regulated in particular to protect the people who are already in there, that it got to the point where if you wanted to buy a medallion in New York City, like a million dollars, right? Which yeah, give you the ability to have tax, he's a classy million bucks, it was so limited.

And we all know the stories, we do, because we're old, it was like a cartel dude. You couldn't get a taxi in New York, it was so limited. And we all know the stories, we do, because we're old. It was like a cartel, dude. You couldn't get a taxi in New York, it was like a common thing, right? Finding a taxi is so hard or whatever. Uber, because technology move faster than regulators can regulate, it hit the market, and then that's it.

People liked it, but people tried to shut it down, but good luck. So do you know his, the CEO's story, and if I don't even know if he, I don't think he's the CEO anymore, I believe that, could you check that, I didn't know much about that. I think he's no longer the CEO. Yeah, I don't even know if he, I don't think he's the CEO anymore. I believe that, can you check that? I think he's no longer the CEO. Yeah, I remember something happened,

like just like a year or two ago, or maybe longer, it was right before COVID. Like something happened where he stepped down or whatever, they let go of him and now there's a new CEO. So I'm really interested in how that, how it gets to there because he's definitely a kind of a wild guy, dude. I didn't know he was, he was like this, which probably had to be considering

what he was going up against because it talks about what you're saying right now, so and there's many times where probably 95% of your average CEO would have laid down or just said, fuck it and go the other direction. But I mean, he kept, he kept pushing and he did some cool shady shit to kind of get, get, get by like,, get some pretty funny stuff. At one point, and I don't know how true this is, there was, I think this was when they were in Portland, when they started to infiltrate Portland,

they had like the city started having these guys that would write fines to try and... So they would screw the driver's... Screw the driver's... Screw the driver's... Yes, they would summon Uber, they'd get get on there and then they literally ride him a ticket And I can't remember what on what basis but something based off the sit some bullshit rule the city hat or whatever And they were using that to just just fuck the driver so they couldn't afford to keep doing Uber right and

They did this like Black ops Fick they do totally legal like figure figure out those people's cell phones. And then they couldn't get a new bird. Yeah, but it would show like it was coming. So they're all standing out there waiting. So there's like five of these guys that were ticketing all these Uber drivers. And that's how they got them to stop was they just, they couldn't get a ride.

And they did it by tracking their cell phones and then basically like sending them ghost ubers that would try the way. And people now take it for granted. The way it was positioned was ubers hurting the little guy. It's hurting the poor taxi people. It's, you know, we need to protect them. And in fact, it was actually giving them jobs. And it's just better opportunities.

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I think the very first call that we all were on, I think she alluded to this. I think I remember her saying it. That's how excited she was when it's coming. So it's now went, do we know Doug when it's dropping? Yes, we do. It is March 22nd. Oh, so it's very good. Yeah. What's cool about them is I get on the phone with, they have someone who manages their marketing. Someone who manages like their, who understands their supply chain

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Our first caller is Megan from the Philippines. Hi, Megan, how can we help you? Hi, guys. Thank you for taking my call. It's such an honor to be even here when you guys are now. So I guess it's like, I'm gonna throw the question in right now. So I'll just read off my question I sent to the email. So I have a question that comes to using queuing

to improve my lips. So when it comes to the compound lips, is it better to have external or internal queuing in mind? So I recently watched a video from Jeff Leford talking about that and he generally stated that when it comes to compound movements, external queuing is more useful while in smaller isometric movements like curls, internal queuing is more useful. So my basic understanding of internal queuing is like looking at your body's movements and mechanics. So I think you talked about it before where you focus better on the action of the muscle. And then while internal queuing is trying to actively flex that certain muscle of the exercise will perform it. So like if you're doing a bicep curl, you're like really squeezing your bicep, something like that.

So I really want to increase my strength in these lifts. So what are your guys' thoughts on this? And does it actually really matter as much? Yeah, so Megan, so I'm going to maybe rephrase your question a little bit just to get a little clarity. So in essence, what you're saying is, one method would be to perfect the form and the other method would be to feel the actual target muscle.

Is that kind of what you're asking? Yeah, I think so because when it comes to like, I think you mentioned it in the podcast a few episodes before is how you can like sort of, how you move like in a squad, you can make it more blue focus or more quad focus. Yeah, no, no, no, okay, so I understand now. So, so this is a good example. For example, how YouTube guys like to overcomplicate. Yeah, this is people in our space really make things more complicated.

What focus on these things. I think then they need to be. And there is, this is like a false choice. And what I mean by that is you don't have to choose one or the other. They're both very valuable. They both have lots of value. So my answer is going to be both. I think both are very important.

On the one hand, if you're trying to feel a specific muscle that you may be wanting to develop, especially if you feel like it doesn't connect very well to certain exercises, you probably want to focus on feeling that particular muscle. And on the other hand, perfecting your biomechanics and technique are going to make an exercise more effective

because you're going to have more efficient, safe biomechanics. They're both very important. And what I'll say to you, Megan, is be very careful with the fitness personalities on social media and YouTube and just new media in general, because what they tend to do is they tend to over complicate things when they're trying to make a point

or they're trying to create. They throw a lot of absolutes out there. This is the way you have to do it always. Yeah, and that's really what's happening here. They're both important, they're both very valuable. You can definitely have ice cream and cake here. So you don't have to pick one or the other. They're both delicious and they're both going to value.

Not only that, but I think I hate something like this, right? To say that one is more important than other basel. There's such an individual variance with everybody. So how I'm queuing a client has everything to do with where I see they're struggling the most, right? So if I have a client that isn't connecting to the muscle, like Salah saying, I'm gonna focus more on these internal cues. If I'm looking at your movement and it's all over the board, right?

And you're not moving properly. I'm going to talk more towards external cues, but I'm going to use both at my disposal. Or even setting up for your compound lift. Like I'm going to focus more on my intrinsic type of tension and being able to stabilize my joints before then unracking. And then I'm going to get into the actual mechanics of the lift as I'm doing that, trying to maintain

what I first focused on. So it's like both of them have to work simultaneously. Yeah, Megan, for you specifically, let's talk a little bit about what your goals are. Is there a specific exercise or a specific muscle that you're trying to focus on? Oh, yeah, it's definitely my squad recently. So just like a small context, just to like give a little idea where I'm coming from. So like I would guess say last December or the from October to December, I was making good progress on my overall like main list. So like my squad that lived and all that. And that got interrupted. My

training got interrupted because our town was like hit by a typhoon or like a hurricane for you guys. So basically I took a way back on training. So I was really nice is that I had the, I followed your guys' maps, 30-day calendar thing, where it was like very self-paced and very like incorporating mobility and stuff. So recently, last month, I, um, slings stabilized here and then, um, we got, I got to go back to a home gym. So the gym I was going to before that was a home gym with not even the Olympic barbell, just the basic, really thin kind of barbell. So it was a shock for my body and a reset to my mind that I started going back to the

Olympic barbell in the gym, the commercial gym. And I was like, so I had to recalalibrate like what exactly my weights are, my my so-and-so like my training weights are on my compound list. So that's why now I'm taking like a step back to really focus on like my form and all that. That's why I really wanted to learn about the external internal queueing stuff, but I guess from your guys' answers, I think I should like, I guess you guys are saying that I should just focus on the form right now.

Yeah. I mean, I think that's generally probably a good idea is to perfect your form, but if you run into a situation where you're doing your squats, for example, and you're not developing the parts of your body that you really wanna focus on, then focusing on the muscles themselves can definitely help. But I will say this, Megan, when I'm training somebody from beginner to intermediate,

unless I'm correcting an imbalance, I almost always focus more on form. And as they get stronger, then we can move more towards feeling particular muscles. But if I take a beginner and have them do a squat, I'm not saying, hey, let's feel in your glutes or your quads. I'm like, let's get your form really good. Let's get you really connected and really stable. And then as we continue, then we'll start to notice things. And they'll say, oh, my quads are developing more than my glutes, or I don't feel this on my hamstrings.

And then we'll focus more on the muscle feel. But I think you're on the right track for sure. I think that's with everything, right? You think of like even like a sport like a baseball, right? Before a baseball coach is gonna teach a player how to direct the ball into the left field, the right field down the center on the ground or a pop up, he's gonna teach him the fundamentals,

how to swing the ball, swing the bat properly. you want to get the mechanics of the movement down really well. And then as you get that down really well, now we can start to talk about the more intrinsic things like, okay, now when you're at the bottom of the squat, try and fire your glutes more. Or when you get the top squeat, you know, like then you can start to get into the more technical aspects of the movement. First, perform the movement, get really good at the movement, practice it, and then we can start to talk about some of the other. Interiming helps as well, you know, with that too. Just, you know, if that's a focus where it's like, you know, glutes aren't responding and

firing and that's something you need to keep addressing. Getting that, establishing that near muscular connection, that's something you can do in prep, you know, before you get into these compound lifts to get the contribute a bit more. Yeah, Megan, if you don't have maps anywhere, I'd like to send that to you. That way you have a workout program you can do if you lose access to a gym again like you did before.

Now, the maps30day.com is phenomenal as well. Maps anywhere kind of takes it to another level and it's longer, right? It's not just 30 days, it takes you a little longer. Do you have maps anywhere by any chance? No, I don't. Okay, we'll send that over to you, Megan. Thank you guys so much.

Yeah, no problem. Thanks for calling in. Thank you. Thank you. How are you going? I'm going to come to the defense of who should talk about Jeff Nipper, I think. I've seen his content, you know, for the most part, I think it's okay. I think when you're making so much content, you start to run into the situation where you're

like, well, I've already talked about this. I've talked about that. Let's start to split hairs in the weeds a little bit. Yeah, and I think this confuses people, right? Like, which one is better for what? And I could see what he might have, I haven't seen this video, which he's referring to. I can see what he might be trying to communicate,

but I can also see why this would confuse the hell. Well, I think it's more, I mean, our team is as guilty of this too. It's what feeds the algorithm. So you need to have something that, where it is absolute, don't do this. This is better than that. Like those type of headlines will grab people.

So yes, in his defense, I know what he's doing, right? But this is, I think as the consumer, and I think that's the biggest point to make to people that are listening right now, is that's where you gotta be careful with, including ours, okay, including our YouTube content is that, you know, you have to take it a little bit with a grain of salt because of the creators. Obviously, it's in their best interest to get the most amount of views that they can get.

And so they title it in a way that is going to draw the most attention, not necessarily the best way to teach. So it's kind of, I mean, it's something that we ran into the beginning of the podcast, the beginning of creating content for YouTube was, you know, we came from a perspective of just teaching and educating like we did as coaches for so long, but unfortunately, we've had to find this way to, okay, you know, title it in ways that are compelling. I mean, this is how our single topic episodes are.

This is how we do fitness tips. Like, we've had to do this, otherwise, people won't click, people won't pay attention. So you have to do these kind of attention grabbers. But here's the drawback of that, is that you take somebody who's like, now way over thinking something right now that is not that important. Like, you know, sure as the consumer is driving this.

Yeah, because we all want simplistic answers to everything. And so that's absolutely right. That's what simplifies it. Because you're saying like this is really what you need to focus on only. Yeah. That's not true. But it does work in favor of somebody searching. Yeah, and I will say this, when you get started for the first couple of years, you're probably

better off focusing on just form and technique, you're practicing perfect form and technique. As you start to develop and as muscles get stronger and you start to get more muscle, then you're really focusing on muscle contraction and where I'm feeling the exercise starts to become more valuable, but it's almost, unless you're doing correctional exercise, there's definitely value there,

but for the most part, just, you know, perfect form and technique in practicing that in the beginning, is probably a better way. You know, when you're gonna stab us at first, so that way, you know, that's what your body knows how to navigate and respond and become sort of in your subconscious. So, you, I mean, it does benefit you to put that kind

of work in first and then you build upon that. I think that's how you do anything with when it comes to movement and sports. Totally. I mean, that's you would never teach a skill. You would never teach a basketball player how to do a, you know, you know, between the legs behind the back, past with a spin and a little dunk before you taught him how to dribble with their left dribble with their right or a pitcher here. Feel where the stitching on the ball is in the direction

of it. First learn how to throw. He's not going to throw a curve ball before he throws a standard fast pitch, right? So I just think that's the same concept is that, you know, all movements, you want to practice the technique of the movement. First now foundational. Yeah, it's been. And then let's build now you get the movement down really well.

Now as a coach, I can give you these little subtle cues to get you to feel it in different areas It was my baseball analogy, okay? Yeah, yeah, it's very well. You started to kind of waver off. Alright, thanks. Our next color is Emily from Canada. Hey Emily, how can we help you? Hi guys, thank you so much for having me on call. I feel like very privileged to be on here. I'll just go right in so I'm sure you saw my little intro,

but just to give you a little background, I live in Quebec, Canada. I'm 23 years old. I am a gym freak, but I'm so, but I'm also an athlete at the highest level in my sports. I play Rignettes at the highest competitive level. If you're not familiar with Rignettes, let's just pretend I play hockey. They do share a lot of similarities. I'm looking to be selected

at a senior national team to represent Canada in the next Rianette World Championship. Again, comparing it to hockey, I would be training to make the Olympic team that's the level I'm currently playing at. But my challenge is the following. So with the frequent frequent opening and closing periods where I live, my ring at season, let's just say hockey season, that is supposed to be eight months long is now being crushed in two two months. So that means I'm playing around two, three and eventually four games almost every weekend. You can imagine the stress that is put onto my body. And that short period of time, the thing is, I don't know how to train during the week to compliment those high intensity workouts.

How would you recommend I train in between those high intensity weekends? I want to give time to my body to heal, but also improve certain aspects of my game. You guys know that they're dealing with that with the NBA right now. So because they did the back-to-back season so close, we're trying to make up games. Yeah, and they play a long season, right? And just didn't, how important those extra months are to off of recovery?

Of course. And so there's more injuries happening right now on the NBA than before. And they're attributing a lot of that to this. Of course. And so there's there's more injuries happening right now in the NBA than like before. And they're attributing a lot of that to this course, this rest period and lead up time. And so it's very similar, you know, situation that she's in right here that is kind of unfortunate. And personally, for me, if I was training you, everything is going to be focused on recovery. Like we are not really doing much of any strength training in a season that is this intense,

where she's talking about multiple games in a single day. You're basically playing almost every day if you're not practicing, you're playing. Yeah, Emily, I didn't know what the sport was. I had to look it up. Very interesting. It is very similar to hockey. I had no idea it existed,

but I can see how strenuous it would be on the body. Think of it this way, Emily, off season is when you want to improve strength and explosiveness and agility. In season, your training goal should be to prevent injury. So preservation, you're not what you don't want to do is try to improve and push with strength and agility and explosiveness while you're also in this very intense season. So the workouts, and I'm gonna do quotation mark here, the workouts in season are mobility and recovery focused. You're not in the gym trying to get stronger,

you're not in the gym trying to get faster and trying to push yourself. What I want you to do is go to the gym during the season and think to yourself, how can I make my body feel better? That's probably going to be mobility, active stretching, maybe even static stretching, depending on where you might feel tight. Massage, you could utilize things like sauna and cold dips, you could do things that are recuperative, regenerate, recuperate the body. When you're off season and the season's over

and you take a few weeks to get your recovery in, then I would focus on now I can get stronger, now I can get more explosive, now I can push myself a little bit, but don't do both at the same time that is a recipe for injury. Yeah, I would just echo that, but this is where to, you can add intensity to these mobility sessions. So don't think of it as, you know,

just light kind of passive stretching, like really focused. You can bring in kin stretch type moves. We do this in Prime Pro, Adam has a whole, I don't know if you've gone through, you know, that specific workout that he did, you know, on the webinar. Now, while I follow both webinars gone through that specific workout that he did on the webinar. Now, while I follow both webinars and I do those mobility drills

quite often, I try to do it at least three to four times a week. Oh, beautiful. But now, everything going on, like you said, it's very strenuous on my body. And last time I played, I needed two full days of not doing anything because my body was just completely destroyed. So I get what you're saying, just focus on recovery. You know what, Emily, on those days that you need to just do nothing? Static stretching is actually quite valuable here.

Now, static stretching, you don't want to do right before you play or right before you work out, right? But if it's those two days afterwards and you're just sore and stiff. What you can do is you can do just good old fashioned, passive, sit in a stretch, hold a stretch, focus on different muscles. That'll help facilitate recovery. Now, when you do feel like you can do more mobility work, then Maps Prime Pro type stuff would be good.

Now, the webinars are not specific to an individual, right? Adam and Justin both did webinars and they were very general. I suggest going through Maps Prime Pro and following the movements that are more specific to your needs and your body. Do you have access to Prime Pro? I don't have my pro now. Okay, we'll send that to you.

And then what I suggest you do is go through the movements and find the ones that you find the most value in and then do those particular movements. That way it's more individualized. Yeah, and I think too, like besides stack, the dynamic, so just to get more blood flow, but like really keep it low intensity, it's just from what it sounds like.

It just sounds like you could benefit from just really, really light movement to make sure that the joints are responding and you're still providing stability there. I think that's the biggest thing is really to focus on your end ranges. So whatever position you may be in, split stance-wise, larily twisting and turning your body, I would focus on some isometric type poses with that and just kind of work your way through that.

So you make sure your body responds and is able to kind of protect and secure the joints. As far as anything to add to the training, the only thing I would consider on top of that is maybe skills training. So if you have specific skills in your sport that you're trying to improve and you're like, hey, I feel pretty good this week and you want to go down the gym or you have free time, then, you know, I am practicing twice a week on ice as well. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're doing a lot. Yeah, you're doing a lot. Really think in season, you put your mind, this is the mentality. When I'm not playing, if I have the energy

and I feel like I can do something or I should do something, do things that facilitate recovery. Don't do things that are gonna give you another workout. Okay, and that's in season, off season, totally different. But I look, when I've had clients who've been in situation similar, very competitive, and on the days when they're beat up, I'm just relaxed, static stretching.

Now, when you do this, it's not a workout. So what you don't wanna do is get into a static stretch and hold your breath and push through it. That's not what's gonna help. As you're in the static stretch, breathe calmly. Get the body to relax. And what you're trying to do is get the CNS to kind of relax, get some blood flow.

Yes, and it facilitates this parasympathetic state that'll help with recovering. Well, besides that, I mean, because you're competing at such a very high level, like this is where products like a Juve light, like a red light therapy might make sense for you to actually add in, invest in a little bit because honestly the recovery part is so crucial to keeping you in your sport and performing at your highest.

Yeah. When do you try out for the Olympic team? Is that in a few years? So I have the competition coming in April, but that's with my local regional team. And then the big event is happening in October. So I'll have the test things happening over the summer. Wow, that's super cool. Well, yeah, good luck with that.

That sounds awesome. Thank you guys. Thank you, no problem. And we'll send Maps Prime Pro to you. So you can individualize it for yourself. Thank you so much. You got it. I did not understand this as a new trainer.

I, as a new trainer, I'll never forget my, one of my first athlete clients came in in season and I thought, oh, my job is to get them to improve while in season and so I beat them up. And they were the performance drop. Yeah, I think of this as it's not just you being a new trainer, you see this even in sports, it still blows my mind everywhere. I mean, look at this, look at how high of a level

that she's at and she's reaching out to us right now. You would think that you would have coaches and trainers around a person like this that would be advising their athletes or that, but it happens all the time. And it blows my mind or time I see it. It's like at that level You would think that you have some of the best minds and how to train and they just not the smart players

You know do the group workouts, but then they go actually higher their own Sharks outside of that because it's they need that extra individualized attention and you know that being said You see all the best performing athletes out there they invest a lot of money in the recovery process and I think that that's something to consider. Our next caller is Mady from Texas. Mady what's happening how can we help you? Hi guys I'm super excited to be here a huge fan thank you so much for having me and for your time.

My question is my girlfriend is doing a bikini competition and when she does this, I like to kind of run your split that you guys have for these programs, which is aesthetic, split, then PED. I ran this last time she did it. I ran into problems when I had PED. It was, I think, too much training. I had trouble sleeping, a little bit of tendinitis, and I ended up having to kind of stop it because I just didn't want to get any worse symptoms than I already had. So I wanted to write in because she's about to do this again

and I kind of want to push myself one more time, but I'm a personal trainer and I know that we tend to think we could do more than we can actually do. I know you guys say it all the time. So I just want to see what you guys think as far as what maybe I could do, maybe modify it. See what you guys think. Yeah, you know, Marty, what's funny is that we almost didn't release Maps PD because

the volume and frequency and just the total workload. We knew that it would pose two problems. One, it would attract the fitness fanatics who love to go harder than they need to and two, it was inappropriate for most people. So all those symptoms that you were feeling are definitely indicative of it being too much, which means it's just not going to be effective. So I don't think MAPS, PED is the program that you or your girlfriend should be effective. So I don't think MapsPED is the program that you or your girlfriend should be following, honestly, very, very few people that will be able to go through

a double split routine and actually see their body improve through it. Maps split alone is a tremendous amount of volume and it's probably more appropriate for 95% of people at this at this particular level. So I wouldn't even do PED, I would stick with MAPSplit. Now, if you wanna do a split routine, so if you like the dividing the workout up, so that you do some of the workout in the day and some of the workout in the evening, you could do MAPSplit that way, okay?

So you could do a regular MAPSplit workout. Let's say today is, I don't know, chest shoulders and triceps, and you could do chest and shoulders in the morning and triceps and eye, or chest in the morning and shoulders and triceps, and you could do chest and shoulders in the morning and triceps and I, or chest in the morning and shoulders and triceps and I. So you can turn maps split into a double split routine and it'll have more appropriate levels of volume

than maps for ED does. You could also just run split over again and or run maps aesthetic. Like, you know, we wrote like kind of the order of operation with the programs for someone to follow an ideal scenario, but that doesn't mean that you can't run maps aesthetic two times in a row or maps split two times in a row. The whole program is a paradise, so you could easily do that and not run in any trouble. I would never recommend somebody staying with the

same program for a year or two, but you technically could get away with it and be okay. So if you saw great results running a static and split, I would actually just run back through it again. So as you go map, systematic, you go map split, and then instead of going to PED, go back to map, systematic or run split again. And I think you'll have tremendous results. Yeah, totally. I mean, with something like maps PED, it's like you gotta have the combination of really, really, really rare genetics. Or drugs.

Super, yeah. Animal steroids might be part of that. It might not, but you definitely have to have these really, really good recovery genetics. You have to have everything be perfect. Diet, sleep, stress be perfect. And even then, you know, you're kind of towing the line. But if you, I mean, everything you list it, right?

Difficulty, sleep, being, joint pain, like you were definitely doing too much. And that just means you're not gonna get nearly the results you could if you did reduce volume or reduce frequency. So I think aesthetic and split, with those with those two programs. And if you want to modify them a little bit to work on specific parts of your body, it's totally fine. Or even if you want to split the workouts up, so you do one in the AM one in the PM. If you like

that, you can do that as well. But it's PD sounds like it was it was too much. I definitely would would tell you not to do that one. Yes, no, it was it was too much and I loved your podcast. So once I started feeling the symptoms that I had never felt ever, I knew right away I had to be on it and split is great. That seemed to be fantastic. And I think splitting it the way you said, probably going to help out, you know, so that I don't get those symptoms, but I could still push the intensity. And I roam in in aesthetic. I usually what I do is I'll go into something hard like split and then I'll kind of go back to aesthetic and kind of run performance, shout out to Justin.

I know your children right now. He's an assistant question, but I love performance. I love performance. And I, that one keeps me honest. And then I'll go back to something hard like like split or strong and this is the first time I'm kind of was going and just scaling back up and I never really went back down so I think the advice you gave me works out great. Thanks, Mody and then do you have I'd like to give you something you said your girlfriend's competing. Does she have access to

like Max Prime pro or prime? Listen, I'm going to I'm a trainer. I already got those. Adam's 100% right when he said that that's what keeps my client here. And I already I have most of your programs because you guys are awesome and they help me because if I don't keep myself honest with your programs, I'll over program 100%. So I have that. And you know, you know, if you get some give her a shout out, she's a bikini

competitor and she listens to you guys. And I just think these rules, she doesn't think these rules apply to her. If you get some give her a shout out, her name is Amanda. She loves you guys. Amanda, good luck with your competition. Train smarter, not harder. That's it. Listen to your trainer, Amanda. Listen to Maddie. She knows what she's talking about. You smart lady.

Thank you guys. But I have that. I wanted to support you guys. So I bought as many as I could because I just, you guys have done so much for me. I was an educator before it became a trainer. And I just love fitness so much. And I jumped because of you guys because I felt

confident with just kind of listening to all your episodes and I you know, I almost have just about all of them so so thank you style but I'm pretty sure I have all of them. Thank you. Well, thanks for calling in there. We appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you guys What a great great trainer. Yeah, no, that's a that's a common issue with people in our space I still do it right. Yeah, it's like can I do more? Let me see in part of it isn't necessarily I want faster results part of it I just like to work out so if I have it, you can do it. Can I do this? Yeah, experimental on some level talk about the self-awareness though to know that of course Of course to see that in yourself. I know I've gone way too long with over training. And obviously she's very in tune with herself. She was right on. I feel like she knew the answers to her question.

She just wanted to hear us confirm. Yeah, no, because I think she spot on like she tried to do PED. It was just too much volume and Simply transitioning back to either one of the other programs. The only way I would ever do a maps PED type program Would be if I could take a nap in the middle of the day if I had like all my meals planned out You know if I had like meditation practice like you know, well, let's be honest that we okay when we wrote it We knew we are gearing it towards the bikini and physique and bodybuilder, you know, clientele. The advanced crowd. And we know that a large portion of those people are either, you know, genetic anomalies

or enhanced with drugs. And that's kind of the person that that program is best for. If you are not in a genetic anomaly or you're not running a cycle, it's probably not an ideal program for most people. But the truth is, there's a lot of people out there that exist. When I was in the space, I scaled to PED, but it wasn't toward till the end till my pro day.

So I was like four or five years later. Yeah, no, I ran good solid three and a half years of the anabolic, aesthetic performance, split, all those type of training. And then it wasn't until I got into the pro level where I was put that much time and effort before I could handle that. And of course I was enhanced.

And probably still could have scaled back a little bit because I know I was definitely starting to battle joint pain and stuff. Our next caller is Bennett from Wisconsin. Bennett what's happening? How can we help you? Hey how's it going guys? Great to be on the show. Thank you. Alright. So my quick question is, so I've been working out for last six years, play sports in college, as a quarterback for my team, and then since graduating the last three years, I've really just been trying to kind of I just wanted to be a little bit more about the game. I just wanted to be a little bit more

about the game. I just wanted to be a little bit more about the game. I just wanted to be a little bit more about the game. I just wanted to be a little bit more about the game. I just wanted to be a little bit more

about the game. I just wanted to be a little bit more about the game. my fitness, diet, watch my calories, macros. So I'm just kind of looking for, maybe I'm doing too much. I still play basketball once a week, even kind of practicing with a semi-profile football team on the weekends as well. So I just want to look at what splits would be best for that or what I have to sacrifice some athletics and sports to achieve those goals of side and strength? So, you hit the question that I was going to go towards right away, almost always when I've trained a competitive athlete who now wants to like, okay, let's start building.

Building an aesthetic physique, that's my new focus, is they still have the athlete in them. And they approach that mindset towards sculpting a body and they're just two different monsters. You can't take the same mindset that you apply to playing a sport as you do to building a physique because your caloric balance, your recovery, your total volume that you do, how you manage intensity, all those things matter so much when it comes to seeing results. So a couple

of questions so we can get you can give you a better answer. What are you currently following as far as a routine? Are you following any maps programs right now? I just actually started maps aesthetic two weeks ago. It was going straight to performance right away, but I feel like it was going to be a lot of the stuff I'm used to. I wanted to focus more on just building a physique, as I said. Before that, it was pretty much four days a week with an upper lower split, pretty intense, but a lot of it was still just what I learned from playing football. So like basic dead lifts, power cleans, then really benched too much because I was hit a key my arm fresh, but so yeah, there's a lot of the typical football workouts.

And then how much are you playing like pick up games and stuff during the week? So what is like a normal week look like for you? So we got the four to five days in the gym lifting and then you have what else you got going on. So Monday usually I would do an upper body workup before going to play basketball and that was about two hours of basketball. I didn't really stop the entire time. Then Tuesday would be rest lower on Thursday and then back to upper on or lower on one day and then upper on Thursday and then Saturday would be a little bit of full

body and upper and then also just playing either pick up football or going to a semi-pro trial. So two days a week you're playing sports on top of the lifting. It's for a couple hours. I'd say two days a week of resistance training would be. Yeah, I'd just say anabolic. I think I would have moved you to anabolic first. You're doing too much. And here's a thing with getting bigger anithleticism. The reason why sometimes building muscle

can take away from athleticism is because the person is not integrating their skills along with the changing of their body shape and size. So, okay, you know this, right? Better than anybody being highly competitive as a quarterback. If I put 10 pounds on your body and you go to throw the football,

it's gonna be just a little different, just enough to kind of throw you off just a bit because your arm is, you know, a quarter inch bigger or your pecs are a little bit bigger, right? So it's gonna throw you off just a little bit. So the key to maintaining athleticism with size is to do them both at the same time. So you can integrate the skill with the, you know, changing body. But aside from that, maps aesthetic in combination with, with sounds like three or four hours of competitive sports, as too much. Maps aesthetic was designed to be run much. Mapsesthetic was designed to be run.

Yeah, Mapsesthetic was designed to be run alone. It was not designed to be run concurrently with sports. So I would go two days a week of resistance training max along with what you're doing. And I would make it more full body focused, compound basic lifts. And what you're gonna, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

You'll see strength and muscle gains come on from doing it. Well, and I think too, you'd benefit the reason why too. I thought, like, anabolic style would be great, because the trigger sessions in between, I think would be massively beneficial for you to focus more on single joint movements and really start to establish that more, being that that's such a shift from

the style of training you've been doing forever with football. I know that for me that was a massive game changer in terms of getting that stimulation for my muscles and just constantly sending that signal. That's all meant to do with load to moderate intensity max. The whole thing is to be able to manage your intensity appropriately in volume. Now Bennett, are you done playing competitive sports like for the in the future or what's kind of like,

what are you looking at in the next year to two years? Are you done? Are you gonna go back like, what's that look like? Well, I'm definitely done for futures more so just to kind of meet people, stay active, get some cardio in because I'm not much of a treadmill guy, but also I've been listening to these podcasts, so I don't really need too much cardio over it. Yeah, yeah, that's a fun outlet, but yeah, I think I think the two days a week of maps and a book We'll send you maps and a ball if you don't have it already. So we'll send that over to you. So you got it. Follow that two

days a week. When you do play your pickup games, you know, make sure you're you're well hydrated and fed. Make sure you're you're fed going into it, try and get some food right after things like that. Make sure you're with that as much work and stuff you're doing. Plus we're trying to build right now, make sure you're protein intake is high enough. Those things will make a difference. But I've got, I remember going through this in my early 20s transitioning from being somebody who played basketball all the time. And I still loved playing ball while it also was now all of a sudden this focused on building a physique. And I just struggled for so long because also was now all sudden this focused on building a physique.

And I just struggled for so long because I couldn't feed my body enough calories. I wasn't giving it adequate rest and recovery. And I just, you know what, I'm gonna try and just cut sports out for a little while just to see what I can do. And like instantly I put on like 15 pounds of muscle. It was just too much for my body trying to do both. And so I had this you know struggle of oh man

I love playing ball But I also really want to focus now on building a physique and so I had to kind of let go of how much I was I was playing Yeah, we'll send maps in a ball over to you if you don't have it. Okay, Bennett Awesome appreciate it. All right, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. Thank you guys a lot. Thank you. Yeah You know maps aesthetic maps, like these routines are designed to be run alone. They're not designed to complement additional sports or additional workouts. They're very focused on bodybuilding. So I think what people want to do is they want to take and they want to train like a bodybuilder and play all these sports. They combine the

two. It's a bad formula. Just too much. Just too much. That's too much of a worst at this, dude. Yeah. And I'm still dealing with this even at the high school level, like people doing their own thing, adding things to the rest of the day, and like, so it's just a natural thing.

Like if people want to just keep up, that high level of intensity of movement. But yeah, if you're really specifically focused on what the plan has set out for you, you're going to do it much better. Yeah, most of the athletes I trained was one day a week of resistance training. That's what we got the best results. More than that. And it was, it was just, and this was off season, right? He'll probably be able to pretty good physique by doing that too. Yeah.

You know, the other thing that's so common with athletes is just the, the overall application of intensity. This is, this their mindset when you're, especially like a football player, like you do everything intensely. It's a game. Yeah you're especially like a football player, like you do everything intensely. It's a game. Yeah. Yeah. So then you approach your lifting and you know, it's, you know, it's not like that when it comes to, you know, building muscle, you know, building muscle requires the right amount of recovery time, the right amount of calories. It's like you're like you're coaxing your body to build muscle. Yeah, you can't force it. Yeah, you can't muscle your way or push yourself into building muscle. It's like, so right away, when he started talking about

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