Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1773: How Training Your Legs Can Build Your Arms, Why Soreness Is a Poor Indicator of Workout Effectiveness, the Benefit of Tracking Your Workout & More

Episode Date: March 18, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the advantages to tracking your workouts, the value of electric muscle stimulation for someone who needs to build lots of muscle, whether soreness is a good indicator of workout effectiveness, and if carbohydrates cause inflammation. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Hey fellas, you want bigger arms? STOP skipping leg day! (3:21) What is Mind Pump streaming on TV? (8:11) Sal’s ‘cold-busting’ supplement stack. (16:43) The origins behind Caldera Lab’s name. (25:18) Social media is a cesspool. (29:23) Nothing will force you to be a man like having a kid. (39:47) Mind Pump Table Topics. (40:58) #Quah question #1 - Do you see any advantages in tracking your workouts? (54:32) #Quah question #2 - Would you recommend electric muscle stimulation for someone who needs to build lots of muscle? (1:02:31) #Quah question #3 - Is soreness a good indicator that your workout was effective? (1:06:25) #Quah question #4 - Do carbohydrates cause inflammation? (1:09:48) Related Links/Products Mentioned March Promotion: Limited Time Power Bundle! MAPS Strong and MAPS Powerlift for the low price of $79.99 Watch The Adam Project | Netflix Official Site Raised by Wolves | HBO Max Originals Watch Upload - Season 1 | Prime Video Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** Conversation starters - Icebreaker Games | TableTopics Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum MP Hormones Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump’s Occlusion Training Guide Occlusion Training Tutorial- How to Increase Muscle Size Using Blood Flow Restriction – Mind Pump TV Sore muscles…what does it mean? – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Tai Lopez (@tailopez)  Instagram Ben Greenfield Fitness (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, hop, mind, hop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? Today's episode we answered some questions that were asked by our audience, but we opened the episode with an intro portion. This is where we talk about current events.

We bring up some scientific studies and we mention our sponsors. Today's intro was 50 minutes long after that, we got to the question. So here's what went down to today's episode. We opened up about talking about not skipping leg day if you want your arms to grow. Then we talked about some shows on Netflix,

the Adam project that was really good. Obviously, if you're listening to this podcast and you've heard me before, you know that I don't sound very well. It's because I am sick, I got a cold. So we talk about the stack of supplements I'm taking to help myself get over this cold quickly and to feel better.

One of the things I'm taking is organifies red juice and green juice. When I mix those together, I just feel a lot better, especially if I'm taking is Organifies Red Juice and Green Juice. When I mix those together, I just feel a lot better, especially if I'm sick. Go check them out. Go check out Organifies products, a lot of great stuff. Again, I like the Red Juice and Green Juice. I mix them together, I call it the Christmas blend, of course, Red and Green. And again, it makes me feel good.

Head over to mindpumppartners.com and click on Organify and then use the code MindPump for 20% off. Then we talk about Caldera Lab. Caldera Labs makes skincare products that are all natural, very effective. If you watch us on YouTube, you'll notice that our skin has been looking better than now that we're older than it did when we first started. That's because of Caldera. The stuff actually works.

It's legit. In fact, my wife stole mine from me. It was supposed to be for me, but now she uses it. I'm calling you out, honey. Anyway, go check them out. Head over to mindpumppartners.com. Click on Caldera Lab. Use the code Mind Pump for 20% off. Then we talk about social media and how it's a cesspool of narcissistic garbage. We talk about children and bravery. And then we talk about a game that's really fun called table topics. Then we got to the question, so here's the first one that we answered. This person wants to know if there's any advantage to tracking your workouts. The next question, somebody want to know if we recommend electronic muscle stimulation.

The third question, this person wants to know if soreness is a good indicator that workouts are effective and the final question, do carbohydrates cause inflammation? Now this month we are running a huge sale, so I want to let you know this before we get going with the show, we've combined two very popular workout programs and put them together in what's called the power bundle, okay? So we have maps strong, which is a strong man inspired workout program. So unconventional exercises, strength, stamina, lots of back and butt focus. So you get the posterior chain. And we combine that with maps, power lift, which is a pure power lifting program.

So bench press, deadlift squat, get really strong at those core lifts. Both programs together normally would cost you $300. But right now you can get them both for $79.99. That's it, one time payment, $79.99 for the power bundle, get map strong and map power lift. If you're interested, head over to mapsmarch.com. Once again, for the power bundle, go to mapsmarch.com. Hey fellas, you want bigger arms?

Stop skipping leg day. Yeah, bro, because working your legs, build your biceps. Yeah. Okay, so I actually remember hearing that when I was younger and didn't buy it, right? Yeah, I didn't buy it too, and I ignored it. So you have to explain to the audience

what's really going on. I think I didn't understand that what the central nervous system was responsible of at that time. And so it just never made sense. How could squatting do anything to my arms? Well, it's okay. So when you work out with resistance, right? So you do strength training.

There's a localized muscle building effect. So if I work out my bicep, most of the muscle building effect goes to the bicep that I'm working. But there is a systemic muscle building effect and there's studies that actually show this quite effectively, right? So there'll be studies where people will have one arm be incapacitated and they'll have a control group. So one arm unccapacitated, they do nothing.

Then they'll have another group, one arm, excuse me, one arm incapacitated, train the arm that's not incapacitated. And what they find is that when the people train the able arm, the arm that's incapacitated loses less muscle. Okay, so it actually prevents muscle loss from the arm that's not moving because of this systemic effect. So when you work out, and this is more true

for bigger muscles, the bigger the muscle, the more the systemic muscle building effect, this is why people have observed for a long time. Wow, when I start to squat and I get stronger in the squat, my shoulders get a little stronger, or my arms get a little bigger, or when I deadlift, my calves grow a little bit, or my chest grows a little bit, right?

And it's not just a stabilizing effect, right? This is like a signal that the body's producing to build and to, you know, it needs muscle to basically amount to these forces. Yes. Is it the systemic effect that's causing it the most or is it the adaptation process that's happening with the CNS or they one in themselves?

All the same. So it's all the same. When I say systemic, I mean, what's happening to the whole body? Yeah, I feel like the explaining that you're training your CNS is a simpler way, because that's what's really, what's really going on is you're teaching, when you squat, you're deadlift, you do big movements

like that, you train your CNS. You're turning everything on. Yeah, you're to fire, really hard, right? And that ability to call upon all those neurons, like all at one time, to move weight like that that has to play into all the other muscles that you're Think about also this way right strength is a survival adaptation So you know for most of human history most right 99% Your body got stronger because it thought it needed to get stronger

There was a stress that was being placed upon it So it's like okay, and we're a survive in this environment Obviously we need to get stronger. Otherwise, this damage is going to continue to occur. And so your body gets you stronger. It would be counter beneficial to get stronger in one part of your body and to not support it at least a little bit with the rest of your body. It made no sense. Because in nature, when you're moving a boulder or carrying a dead animal or doing something, right,

you're, it's not one muscle in isolation, even if it is one muscle in isolation, other muscles have to be at least a bit stronger to stabilize your support, right? So it makes no sense that that would happen. So when you just train your upper body, yeah, you'll gain lots of muscle in your upper body, but you're not gonna reach your full potential

with your upper body if your legs aren't also getting stronger as well. So you're missing like five or 10% of what you could be getting by skipping muscle groups. So this also answers the question then for women in terms of like training the upper body to grow their legs because I know that there's quite a few clients I've had that we just want to kind of,

you know, skip or go light on arms and upper body and just go all heavy on legs. It's true. Now, of course, one of the beauties of strength training is you have the ability to sculpt your body in very specific ways, which is unique to strength training, right? I can look at my body and say, I want more shoulders, more triceps, more quads, less glutes, whatever, and I could focus more or less more triceps, more quads, less glutes, whatever. And I could focus more or less on different parts of my body. I can't do that with cardio, right? You can't get on a piece of cardio equipment,

say I wanna look at this after. Yeah, no other forms of exercise really do this really well, like strength training. However, completely neglecting certain muscle groups means you're also gonna take away from the potential of your muscle groups that you really wanna build. So it's okay to say my traps are a little too big.

So I'm going to work them less or who my legs are out balancing the rest of my body. But most people that skip leg day aren't doing that, right? Most people that skip leg day, it's not because their legs are too muscular. Like how many guys you know, skip leg day, oh my legs are so buffed, that's why I'm not squad. That's not what it is because they're lazy working out your legs is hard and they want the beach muscles, not realizing that skipping legs is hard and they want the beach muscles. Not realizing that skipping legs is also taking away

from their ability to build those beach muscles. Did you guys watch the Adam Project? Oh yeah, that was a great movie. You just remember the scene where his younger self makes the comment about it. Do I skip legs in the future? Yeah, yeah, just like, yeah, like give all this attention to his body now instead of like, you know, his brain. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I thought it was

one of the best. They casted it to really well to the kid, acted like he did. Such a great job. I've never seen that kid anything else before. So it's a pure Netflix movie, right? I believe so. Wow, they're doing a good job. This was a good one. I really thought, you know, I had that kind of free guy feel to it. Yeah. It wasn't so like, I know like if you're a hardcore sci-fi person, I know you probably have a lot of critiques on like the,

I do. Spaceship, the futuristic science in there. But I think it was geared more to be heavy on the, you know, being fun and funny and emotional. There was some like hard-tugging moments. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they did a really good job. Yeah, no, Jessica and I had a discussion about this

because we're always arguing over sci-fi. So you like sci-fi, I hate sci-fi, and I'm trying to explain to her like, there's really good sci-fi, that's out there, right? So, well, she thought this was, so she's like, fine, I'll watch this, because it's sci-fi, but I'll watch it. So we watch it.

She's like, that was really good. And I said, honey, I said, it was a good story. I said, but the sci-fi part of it sucked. Like real good sci-fi. It was a nod. It was believable. It was a nod to a lot of other franchises out there. And you could see like with the like lightsaber references and all these type of like the tech that kind of threw in there. But I mean, the wormhole pulse or whatever, like, you know, that was kind of new, I guess, in terms of like an original idea,

but yeah, it was really the story that was great. Yeah, I hate it when sci-fi movies make the future look, like, Alvaston, we're not humans anymore. Like, I'm gonna control the spaceship by doing all this stuff over, like, why would we ever- We can't just do it right in front of you and be efficient like this.

Yeah, why would we envision anything like this? So inefficient, like, we became stupid. That's like a minority report that's seen in my report where they're doing the stuff on it. Like who's gonna hear? And gesturing was gonna be the thing. You know, like I can't wait for this to be everywhere. Like, well, you know what?

So, okay, so Sal's new car has that, right? Where it's like you can turn the volume up. But it's so, it's so stupid though. Him and I were in the car together. You put two loud mouths that talk with their hands. Yeah. And the fucking music's going on the volume up. Like, it's so, it's so, it's so stupid though. Him and I were in the car together. You put two loud mouths that talk with their hands and the fucking music schooled on the whole time. That's the problem. You get people like screwing everything up.

Yeah, him and I are talking back and forth, music on, off the whole time because we both are moving our hands. I think it's just a flex. Like, you have your friend in the car, you know, you don't say anything you're like turning it up with your finger. Well, that's cool.

That's about it. I don't know. I do think it would be cool finger. Well, that's cool. That's about it. I don't know. I do think it would be cool though. I've seen videos of some military stuff out there where they have these little mini tanks that they control with just these hand gestures and they get it to like move and then like turn and then fire. It's pretty cool.

From a video game perspective, it feels like you got all this weird, so I always wonder if it's a weird, stupid and getting old. And the young generation is better at it, or it's one of these things that we're testing out. I think that's what it is. I think so. I think so. It's going to get so good that it'll read, like software that reads your language.

Remember when it first came out how crappy it was? Now it's pretty good. Now you can talk to it. Did you watch, speaking of sci-fi, did you watch raised by wolves? No, I haven't got into that yet. Dude, I'm pumped to get into that though. Dude, it's pretty wild. I looked at the trailer.

Wild. It's pretty wild. Now, as I'm watching it, like the story's twisting, and so now it's getting, coming a good story. But the sci-fi aspect of it was sick. Is it a series or is it a movie? It's a series. I don't know if you'll like it

because it's a little twisted and dark and you might be a little too scary. It's a religion, everything. Why, I'm serious. I don't like scary stuff. No, and definitely not Katrina. Like there's certain stuff we've talked about that I like to watch,

but she does not like to Katrina treats her dreams like going to bed and getting, like messing with her dreams is like, you don't, she don't fuck with that. She's very serious about that. Okay, so that's a upload. You guys remember that show? Yeah, yeah. Part two is out. Part two's out. I pretty much binge the whole thing already. Like I couldn't help it. It was pretty good. I just love the original concept behind it because not only can you upload, right? But now they're exploring the whole idea of being able to download back into like a body that they make.

And and to like how you know they're able to kind of come in corporate to come in and start extracting their dreams and things and basically taking that is like protected content, so they have exclusive rights to that content, which now that they can sell to people for entertainment, and it's like these souls that are in there, like do you know? What a terrible idea. Oh my God. I've had some of the most fucked up dreams of all time, like what a terrible, I don't wanna know half my dream.

You ever wake up after a dream? Yeah, but there's a lot, okay, I remember that show for so long. That's not a bad one. That's not a bad one. And we've talked about this on the show before that. I do think that that's what's going to happen. You're gonna be able to upload.

I mean, I've talked about how much content we've put out written, inferable, and video. So it would not be hard when we pass to store an AI version of ourselves. And that's kind of where they go with it is like you have this kind of AI version of yourself that a little consciousness Yes, I have sort of accident zone now have you heard because these are These are like age old, but the really old thought experiments around this so sci-fi writers for a long time have pondered

That maybe we'll be able to do this one day, right? And there's these like thought experiments like one of them is If we could take your thought process, your brains, your memory, extract it, put it in a computer, is that you or is it just a perfect copy of you? Like, how do we know, right? How would we ever know if you did that? If we made an Android that exactly knew what your new memories could talk like, is that really Adam or is it just a copy? Like, what actually happened to Adam? Like we would never know. That's true. Yeah, I'm gone, but like parts of me is living on, right?

Like the way I think, the way I talk, that's living. I really think it's cool for, like I don't think it would be cool for me. I'm dead, like I'm gone. Like I think it's for the people that live that would be cool. And I've expressed that like, man, for me who lost his dad at seven, there's not a lot of footage, video, I don't have a lot of stuff with him. If it was this time and this era, right,

he was growing up in and he let's say did my job where he has all this content. Like for me, that would be so cool to be able to sit down and like take in or maybe even interact with him and the AI is good enough to respond the way he would. Like super man, that's so super man, did remember? When he built his fortress of solitude or whatever, and he plugged in the crystals and his dad

comes out. His dad would actually interact with him. Yeah, he had a hell of a weird. So AI, like, thank you for reminding me, Adam, there's an update in terms of robots helping you in the house of the kid. You know, again, so I felt so bad about that. Samson's now working. Let's see, I'm just saying say go down this rabbit hole again. The thing that you guys always see is this little thing in the kitchen grabbing and moving things that it the where they're

They're gonna double down bro. This is the washing of dishes. Yes, sir. No, I'm going if it's clean or dirty. I mean, yes You could get a robot right now. We already have that like an Amazon boxing where they move things up or down or pick things up. That's not hard. But what if they load the dishwasher though? I mean, it'll be all dirty-ass dishes that they won't clean, so that'll be the incentive. So then you have to have a dishwasher powerful enough

in your house that will blasts food that's stuck on it. That's where they're hung up. And they don't ever show that in these little like commercials that everybody sends me. Like, oh, you hung up. And they don't ever show that in these little like commercials that everybody sends me like, oh, you've lost the bet. Like, no, I haven't, bro. Talk to me when one of those things

is in line with the dishes. They're all simulations. None of it's like real life robots have built yet. No, I know, yeah, no, it's all, they're all simulations. It's just funny. I was like, okay, so Samsung's now working on it. I'm like, there's gonna be more of these ponies in the race.

Speaking of AI, so in that show, raised by wolves or whatever, on HBO Max, they do such an interesting job of this dystopian future where, like, Earth went to war with these religious factions, and one of the groups has these, they call them necromancers, I think, these AI robots that destroy humans, and one of them got captured and rewired to take human embryos and raise them on another planet. So that's kind of like the gist of the story. Oh shit. And as you watch it, you're totally,

you can't decide if the AI machines are good or bad or if the humans are good or bad. It is fucked up, dude. It is super twisted. Now you're binging like crazy because you're sick, Are you have you been watching a lot of TV or what? Dude, can I just tell you something right now? This is and look, it was my own personal

experience. This cold and I got I tested myself four times for COVID. Don't have COVID. I had COVID before. This is worse than COVID. When I had COVID, it was weak, yeah. Uncommon cold is coming back. This is the worst, dude. So what? Okay, so it's not me on my ass. It's not a it's not the flu. It's not COVID. So just a really bad like head cold and chest. Yeah. I went right to my chest. And obviously it's affecting my voice

and makes me tired. And we're definitely sexy. What is the what's the stack? Because people will DM me what you're taking which drives me crazy when people are I do you guys get that? I get that. Yeah. You get DMs about you guys. I mean, fucking DM them.

Ask me. What's up? I'm asking that. I was on Instagram. Like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not your middle man. I get that yeah, DMs about you guys fucking DM them ask me Instagram my yeah Tell the audience your stack before I get this for me tomorrow No, so I do I do leposomol glue to thigh-own. I do NAC so that's all good for the lungs. I felt it my lungs And then I'm doing the organify green juice and red juice mixed. So the red juice can be- Not their immunity.

Oh, and I did their immunity. Thank you. I don't mix those all three though. So I do the immunity once a day. Yeah. And then I do the red and green juice several times a day. So the green juice, it's got the ashwaganda, which is good for stress. It just may, I noticed when I drink them too, those two, I feel better.

So is the red juice mainly for cause of the fatigue that you're experiencing now Yeah, so the red juice got a little bit of rodeola for that Also helps the body deal stress All the antioxidants and stuff. I just noticed when I mixed those two and drink them throughout the day I feel better. I just feel like you know subjectively. I just feel like are you doing zinc? Are you doing any zinc and? you know, subjectively, I just feel a lot better. Are you doing zinc? Are you doing any, what? Zinc and, oh, God, I can't, I can't,

I can't, a quesitant, quercetin. So I do zinc and quercetin as well. But I swear to God, dude, this is worse, when I have COVID, when I had COVID, it wasn't this bad. This is terrible. I was telling Jessica, I'm like, what the hell? Well, you felt it coming on last week. I remember we were in here, what, Thursday or Friday.

I got it from Justin. And I, yeah, it's gotta play somebody in Justin. I got it from Adams. Yeah, I'll get out of here. I was even sad. I'm got it from Doug. My son's really bad. Oh yeah,, it's got to play somebody in Justin. I got it from Adams. Get out of here. I was even sad. I'm got it from Doug. My son's really bad. Oh yeah, it's cool.

Yeah, he's battling fevers right now. This is where I was one of the worst times actually. It was weird because last week when you guys were all feeling it, he was also feeling under the weather. And this was like Wednesday, dude right now. And I know obviously all parents have experiences if you have a over a two or three year old, you know. And everybody told like Wednesday, dude right now, and I know obviously all parents have experiences if you have over a two or three year old, you know. And everybody told me like, oh, just wait

until he gets in school, it's crazy. But it's like a storm. It's like even knowing that it was coming, it's way more than I anticipated. You said you sick more than he's not. Yeah, literally from October to now, I think there's been more days that he's been battling something than not.

And sometimes it's like just a runny nose, and he's fine, and he's playing. Like, you know, it hasn't been like fevers and crazy like this every time. But man, it does feel like he comes home almost every week with a little something that he can, and I know that they're building their immune system. It's like battlegrounds, you know.

It's stronger after this phase. How do you know what you guys do? Well battlegrounds, you know? It's stronger after this phase. How do you know what do you guys do? And he's like, well, fever, obviously, you try to cool him down. Yeah, when he's got a fever, we toggle back and forth between Motrin and Tylenol. That's like, Katrina's really,

she like does not want to give that to him. I'm at, which is, I think interesting, because we're normally on the one who's like, no, don't give him that, or I'm the more picky one with his food, but she's been that way with drugs, which I love. Like she's not quick to, she'd rather try and find a natural remedy or try and see. Let's the fevers got some benefit.

You know, it helps fight the body, helps the body fight the infection and it builds up the immune system better. But you also don't want to see your kid feel like shit, like poor kid. I bet he's not sleeping well at all. Oh no, the last two nights we haven't slept at all. Well last night I got to sleep because I went in the other room, Katrina's like,

you know, I just go in the other room you're gonna be up all night. Were you a big fever person when you were a kid? Did you get a lot of fever? You know what, I have to ask my mom, I don't remember. I do know I have a very weak immune system though. So I do, I used to get sick all the time.

I felt better now, like where I'm at than I did all through my, you know, 20s and teens, like I used to get sick all the time. Yeah, yeah. So I used to get high fevers when I was a kid. Really? Yeah, like my mom says one time I had a fever, it was 105 or so. Wow. Like, or even more.

And then the last time I had a fever as an adult was, or a high fever was in Thailand when I got the food poisoning or whatever. And I started seeing shit, that was weird. I had 104, which is an adult is hella high. And I was looking at the walls and the walls were kind. I heard that happens, right? It gets too high, so are hallucinating.

Bro, I was, the walls started moving and I started seeing spiders and shit everywhere. And I was like, that's when I called, that's when I told Jessica we're in Thailand. I said, I don't care. You got to get a doctor come to the room. Please find somebody. You know, it's interesting to think like what they used to do

before we had all these tools, like thermometers and stuff of the check. Like, I mean, it's, it's good letting. Yeah. Cut it's like, I mean, you know, so I'm, I like, I'm always trying to push us like to be more like, okay, let's just,'s just read how he's feeling and if he's communicating or what he looks like,

then that stupid digital thermometer all the time. Because man, that thing reads a degree to high one time or whatever, and boy, that'll send you through the roof just freaking out, you know, just like, oh my god, he's jumped, it's like, well dude, kids used to die all the time. When I was, so my great grandparents, you taught, like, oh my god, he's jumped. It's like, well, dude, kids used to die all the time. When I was, so my great-grandparents,

you taught, like, my grandfather would tell me this, he was, oh yeah, your great-grandmother had 10 kids. I'm like, what do you mean she had 10? I was like, well, you know, a four, there's six other ones that died. I'm like, what the hell? Wow. Kids used to die, I mean, this is Sicily.

So, my grandfather's generation was, that was hard. The generation before him in Sic Cicely was really hard. And people would have a lot of kids, and you know, kid gets an ear infection. 50-50, is he gonna make it? I don't know, let's see what happens. Really was that bad? Think about a bacterial infection without antibiotics.

You know what I mean? Like as a kid, you just have to like, let's see if your body can fight it off. And kids would die, dude, all the time. Especially if they weren't like super nourished because they were poor. You know, they were surviving off of, you know, I don't know, a little bit of wheat

and some beans or whatever. So yeah, no, I mean, it's, I mean, I know we talk about how weak we are nowadays, but I don't know, I'm gonna say go back. I don't know if I saved all the weak kids. That's why. It's what killed all the weak ones. I was, I ain't like,

Sparta anymore. Yeah, I know I was having this conversation with someone about testosterone levels dropping in men, and I read this study that the average man in the 1930s had testosterone levels of like 1200. It was some ridiculous like that. I think I told you guys, and you know, I was having this discussion with someone

and I said, I wonder if that's cause all the low testosterone dude just died, you know? Like that's what was left over. Yeah. Oh yeah, all the low testosterone Johnny, yeah he died. Because we don't have medicine to treat his burn wound or whatever. Well, I don't know what genetics caused this,

but I was out at Eaton at this burger restaurant with my kids. And this is when I was kind of hanging out with them and doing this sort of daddy and, you know, Boise Day. And we went to like the boardwalk all this. We had a good time. We went to this restaurant and like,

there was these kids that came in from like UCS-E and they were sitting next to us and, you know, talking and we're just kind of doing our thing and listening. And this guy starts laughing. And I'm like, I've never heard this kind of a laugh before. I thought maybe he was like, fit delayed or like slow or, so I didn't like, I try really hard not to laugh.

You know, in that situation, where he's like, I don't know if I'm allowed to laugh at this. Yeah, but it's really funny. Every day. Yeah, and like, we're, and I was trying to control, because the boys were almost dying laughing immediately. So this guy would start laughing and then he sounded like a seal.

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about the company, because obviously, I've talked about Adam learning something cool. Well, no, so it's supposed to be a volcano. Is that, did you guys know that? Yeah. What do you mean, yeah, bro? You didn't know that. You didn't know that.

This week's the most fertile soil. It's like a crater that will kill you. You knew that? I had no idea. It's sunken in. It's like an old volcano. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's probably why they named it that

because it's like Justin said, super fertile, lots of nutrients you could hope for. Yeah, some of the most fertile soil on earth. You guys both do that? Yeah, I brought so much. Like when they're thinking of where, yeah, where Eden might be, right? Like there's speculating, like it's like

it's more off-caldera. Yeah. I know, you really should. If Justin talks, Adam and I just look at each other, Whisper. Well, here he goes again. It's a large depression formed in a volcano erupts and collapses.

Yeah. So, okay, so now do you know why Caldera named their brand that? Probably that, because it's one of the most fertile, because volcanic soil is some of the most fertile in the world. It's super full of nutrients. I was just listening to a podcast where they're talking about like the importance of soil and how we're not receiving, you know, the same soil

from growing all of our fruits, vegetables, and crops and everything else. Like, it's not, we're not getting all those same nutrients because we don't have the same soil. Yeah, Doug, what does it say there on their website? I'm trying to find the origin of their name. Oh, here, you know what, real quick, scroll down, tell me the ingredients in their serum again.

I read them off. Yeah, apricot, kernel oil, fireweed, dandelion, astragulagus, or... Oh, astragulus. Astragulus root, elderflower, boys. Bill Lantys, I'm not sure what that is. There you go. But I do not know exactly why they named the company that.

Yeah, it makes sense because that's their whole model right is to make something that's supernatural super Full of nutrients good for you whatever now is Jackson hole is that a caldera. Oh, I don't know that might be What's that one? I can't remember it now. I was Jackson hall out to do with that. Well, it might be a caldera It's a hole No, but why why why you bring up Jackson Hall right now? Well, I mean, so I don't know, I have to do some research, but Jackson Hall suggests maybe it was a caldera. So you just randomly thought in your head, Jackson Hall. Yeah, that's why it says Jackson Hall. Well, I was just asking. Okay, I. All right. Well, I thought it's not the only caldera,

right? I mean, so you just brought up Jackson Hole at a nowhere, so I'm asking why. I guess you can't see that, because it's on the screen right now. Yeah, we can't see it. No, I went, what's that place I went up to, to visit with Jessica early on? It's a crater lake, is that it?

Crater lake in Oregon? Is that it? Isn't that a Caldera? Do you know that's one of the deepest, I actually thought Tahoe was deeper and I looked it up and Crater Lake has even deeper. I think Lake Tahoe is an old Caldera too. Oh yeah, I think so. Maybe we can look that up dug if I'm not mistaken. I think it's an old me guys.

All the Calder. Did you guys know? Did you guys know that yellow stone? There's a list of yes. There's a list of Like most probable ways that humanity could become extinct of volcanoes. One of the top five is full is Yellowstone. Yeah, it's a list of like most probable ways that humanity can become extinct. And a volcano is one of those. And one of the top five is Yellowstone. It's a fucking super volcano. What are the other four? I think about that every day.

Yeah. Yes. That's what we need to focus on. Okay. I think the other four are nuclear war, asteroid, hitting Earth. I don't remember what some of the other ones were. A plague of some sort. But yeah, I know it's scary,

everybody. Yeah. Especially since one happened and the other one everybody's threatening. Yeah. No, but the super volcano that yellow zone could literally, and it will at some point explode. It's active.

And what it does, we're dead. Yeah, we're all dead. Hey, how's a Twitter life been treating you? Oh, dude. You're quite the tweeter. I go how's a Twitter life been treating you? Oh, dude, you're quite the tweeter. I go, yeah, I've been twatting on there like crazy. Is that what you say? Such a twit. I, um, it's, I go off on there, dude. That's such a bad place. It's way more negative than I thought it was. Oh, it is. Oh, it's so negative. But it's so you though. I mean, I feel like you belonged on there for so long. Like you weren't really

an Instagram guy. You weren't made for Instagram. No I hate that why you're trying to say I'm not good on pictures Positive like threads or is it all just like no there's a lot of smart people on there and you can read some really interesting stuff But but yeah on Twitter. It's like people tend to go off and then go back and forth I mean, it's all social media rights all the same garbage yeah, but on Twitter I'm like way and I think it's because I got kicked off Instagram. So I'm kind of like angry right now. I'm like, all right, you know. Bring it on.

Yeah, I'm gonna be even worse. Now, okay, so since you're now doing this, I haven't actually ever really got into Twitter. I tried to do it for a little bit and then fell off. Yeah, do you, do you feel, hit two words? It's a two-hitting heart. I guess, two words. This is too difficult.

So do you find the same addictive patterns with Twitter as you do Instagram? Like Instagram, it's really easy. And sometimes I think it's because it's visual. It catches my eye and then it sucks me in. Do you find that with Twitter or do you find it's? Twitter's got a better news, really good news feed. I know, but so as far as your own,

your own addiction to social media, is it more difficult, the same or easier? Oh, that's a good question. That's a really good question. I think it would be different depending on the person. Like for you, though, like does it suck you in more because it's more news and it's more arguer. Yeah, but it's intellectual arguing. So you know, I post way more on Twitter because it doesn't require a thing of a fucking image, you know, I mean, I could just post my words, which I have plenty of words to go around. So, so I post more. I don't think I spend, I know I don't spend a lot of time on it though,

reading other people. But it is, it's just, it's like all social media. It's just a bunch of, you know, it's funny. It's like, as I switch different, you know, social media platforms, you just realize how much society is, social media was supposed to mirror society, but what's happened is social media created a different looking society, now society's starting to mirror social media. Yeah.

Cause it's literally, it's advertising yourself. So if you look at like an advert, like a company, you look at a company like, I don't know, Coca-Cola, okay. They're gonna advertise to you how great they are, how nice they are. They're not gonna tell you all the stupid shit they do, all the bad stuff they do, how they contribute to obesity or whatever, right?

They're gonna tell you how great they are because that's your job when you advertise. You be an idiot if you advertise, you're a negative. Which is what people do with their social media. They do, and not just that, but then it's like bleeding over, it's bled over into real life.

So now people walk around and rather than being good people, they want you to know that they're good people. That's more important. So they have to like show you with a shirt or a saying or a bumper sticker or here's, you know, but in reality you're not, you're full of shit. You don't really care. So it's kind of annoying.

I got an argue with someone over that on Twitter because there was an old saying in marketing to make that made fun of corporations. Now I think it's more true than ever. And it was like a corporation will donate $10,000 but we'll spend a million to that. We'll spend $100,000 to show everybody that they donated $10,000, right?

Because that's what's important. Social media's like that so much. It's like, I care so much about all this stuff. It's like, do you really? Well, the power of the individual brand right now is like, it's such an interesting time. I was listening to an interview that Ty Lopez did with our buddy Tom talking about the Kardashians

and her ability to sell her makeup line that she did like you have companies like a Maybelline and what are some of those other like brands that have been around for a hundred years right and she she did like four hundred million dollars like in lip gloss dude like if those companies have been around a hundred years and they didn't do that they can't they can't even do that this girl simply starts up a makeup line and then instantly surpasses all of them just the power of the individual brand now is crazy. Like anything with power, right? You see it's two sides.

Like, could you do really good with it or you could take it and do really bad? Yeah, and it's just so annoying to me with the, like again, the fakeness. I really annoys this shit. I don't know why. It's like, just gets to me so much. So I see that kind of stuff and it's like, you know, and the truth is this, if you really want to, you know, and the truth is this, if you really want to, and this is just a fact,

if you really want to help society and the world and the environment and just be the best version of yourself, there's really nothing more effective than that. Like raise good kids, be a good person, be productive, like get a job or start a job, be innovative, oh, you want wanna be good, another good person? Buy products that are good for you, literally, because that means you're gonna give more market signals

to good product. If you just did that, you would do a lot, but a lot of people don't do any of that. Instead, they complain and they're envious and they point things out and then they have a sticker or they post something in their bio. This makes me go. This makes me go.

It's all words and ideas, instead of actions and merit, have a sticker or they post something in their bio. This makes me go. This all words and ideas instead of actions and merit. Like, you know, the character, like we used to judge people and character and that's like something that's like a lost idea. That's these days. It's really weird. Now do you have hope though that it's just because we're in this time where we're transitioning from like,

you know, two decades ago, none of this stuff existed. Now we're like learning to integrate it into our, it's definitely not going away. It's definitely becoming a part of our lives, our kids' lives, it'll be here to stay. And so do you think that part of why it is this way though, is this is just kind of the natural progression or evolution of it?

I think it's a transition. Yeah, I wanna believe that like, because I think a lot of corporations are learning this, like corporations will come out and they're trying to play the game like, oh, we got to show how good we are. So then what they do is they come out and they oppose some, I don't know, some bill in some state or they'll oppose some politician or some policy.

And then people on the other side will point out the hypocrisy and go, oh, that's weird that you oppose this, but you're still building products by children, or you're still working with this country that is throwing people in camps and reeducating them. So these corporations, I think, are gonna learn. I think they're gonna learn that they used to keep their mouth shut. Then they came out and said,

oh, we gotta tell everybody how virtuous we are, but now they're gonna learn, we're better off keeping our mouth shut. Yeah. Because we're not perfect, and it's gonna make us, we got to tell everybody how virtuous we are. But now they're going to learn. Uh, we're better off keeping our mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah. Because we're not perfect. And it's going to make us, we're getting a, uh, shining a spotlight on, on our hypocrisy. Yeah. So I agree with you. I think it's, I, well, I don't know if that's what you were saying.

Yeah, yeah. That's what I think it's going to wash out a lot of that. Yeah. And I think there's going to be a lot of people too that, that promote themselves one way on social media. Then you find out later, there's nothing like that. And that's going to, I think the enough times times you're gonna see people get the rug pulled out from underneath them or they lose everything they built

because they weren't being authentic or themselves. So I think when we see that enough times, I think we will, I think we will, as a society learn our lesson and start to shape, I think. And it's a mirror for me too. I have a big mouth. My weakness is I'll get mad and I'll start going off. And then it's a mirror for me too because I have a big mouth. My weakness is I'll get mad and I'll start going off.

And then it's a mirror for me too, because I got to learn not to let shit get to me. Like I said, something really mean the other day on Twitter is this guy is lecturing me on greed. First of all, he doesn't know me, but try to tell me how greedy I am because I think that businesses should be able to take their money and invest it and build and innovate

and you're so greedy. And the guy, look, and by the way, I've made my entire career helping people with improve their health. Okay, myself, I've had body image issues. So, you know, that's been my whole career. But nonetheless, I see this guy and he's like 400 pounds. And I said, you're like, the irony is your lecturing me on greed, I said, I think you eat way more than you need to. Isn't that a display of your own greed, right? And that was mean thing to say for sure, but it's also a true thing to say.

And I feel bad for it because I shouldn't say something like that. I help people through that process, but it makes me annoyed as hell. It's a different perspective though that I think people sometimes need to kind of check themselves a bit. It totally is. I'm putting it out to judge everybody else. Yeah, you'd lecture me.

You don't know me. And you're also greedy yourself. I think the point you're making, though, too, that I actually think this is a positive side of social media. I actually talked about this in an interview I did recently that, you know, because of the podcast and that we, I wait to put all this stuff out there. It really, it forces me to challenge my own beliefs. Yeah. Because it's like, you know, before all this, I say something, you know, it may, I make a stance or I have an argument with

a friend, you know, and that conversation is long gone. I don't revisit it maybe for months or years, have another conversation like that. We're here, everything we say and do. And then you cool off and listen to it later. Right, right, it's been posted and then I listen back and go, oh wow, do I really believe that? Or that I can produce the desired outcome of what I was trying to promote. Or I can have a little bit of,

I'm sure you had the same perspective, right? You did something like that, you reread it and you go, fuck, I'm not feeling so good right now. I'm sick, I'm a hundred percent. I'm irritable and you catch, like, I probably wouldn't have said that or did that if I was feeling better. So the level of, you got to be a bigger person. Well, that's hard to be sometimes.

I tell you, especially when you got people coming at you and you're just like, come on, dude, you don't know me. But it can be wielded for a good thing. I think if we, and so maybe we see more of that in the future of more people actually using it as a tool for personal development and self-awareness. I think that's gonna happen when everybody realizes that what they're creating is also gonna come back to them.

Now, you're making your self-a-target just as much. Like you see all this people on social media who pull up old tweets from celebrities and then hammer them for it. And then what do other people do? They go through these people's old tweets and pull back and say, I'll actually you did the same thing or you said, it's a worse. Like when it's all out there, what was that scene? What's that movie with the the superhero family? Incredible? Yeah. Do you remember the bad guy in the first one? And he said when everybody has super power powers when everybody's super nobody Nobody's super yeah, so it's like when everybody

Realizes were all super imperfect and the evidence is there for anybody to find yeah, that's maybe one will stop and we'll start leaving each other Yeah, I'm like I guess Or a little fucked up. Yeah, cuz we're all, you know, we're all like that. Anyway, I was having a, you know, here's on a positive note. I had that conversation with my cousin who just, he just became a dad, right? Great dude. I love, love, great guy. And he's, you know, the conversations I had with him before he became a father, this

stuff that you tell somebody before they become a parent, that they couldn't possibly realize until after. Now he's like, dude, I get what you mean. So we were talking and I kept telling him like, like, because you know, when he got his wife pregnant or whatever I said, you're gonna realize just how invincible and fearless you are now. And he goes, what do you mean?

I said, when you have a child, you're gonna realize how brave you have to choose to be. He's like, what do you mean? I said, well, you'll see, right? And so sure enough, he has a kid and he goes, I get it now. He goes, before I had a kid, nothing really scared me. I thought there were things that I had to be brave for,

but it was nothing. It goes, now that I have a kid, holy shit, it's scary. He goes, I could be a shitty dad. I could fuck up. They could get sick, they could get hurt, they could something could happen. And he goes, and now I'm really scared.

And I go, I get what you mean now about having to be brave. I said, I told you man, it's the craziest. It, nothing will force you to become a man like having a kid. Or you could run away and choose not to, but he's a good man, so. Katrina and I played that table topics game that I think Justin brought up a long time ago.

And I'm gonna ask you a question that I got in trouble for so I want to see how you guys navigate through this. So the card you know you got trouble well I mean yeah I didn't answer very well so the card was so she's reading it to me so basically this is a question back that you guys would be give back to your, which is if you had one dying wish to tell me before you die, what would you say? What would you say? What would you say? What would you say? So I'm on my deathbed. Yeah, you're on your deathbed.

And these are going to be some of the last things you speak. You're not going to be able to speak anything after this. And so what would you say as a dying wish that you wanted to want to erase my browser history? To get one. No, well, that's a tough one, man. What would I say? I don't know. I mean, I gotta think about that for a second. I think I would say, I think I would say, please try to be strong for the kids. Please try to raise them the best that you can and be strong for them. That's it.

Turn me into a robot. Well, stupid, he would say that. What would you tell your wife? What's the last thing you say? Yeah, I mean, I don't, that's a heavy question. It'd be like, yeah, just to live your best life going forward and, you know, hold on to memories, but again, you have to live your own life now at this point.

They sell a bit. Don't remarry exactly. It's like, I will haunt you. I will haunt you. I'll be watching. What did you say? What did you at least coach him? How did you possibly get in trouble?

I tried this. Because I said, our finances, I said, could you please make sure that everything, I mean, we have done enough to this point for you and my son to be taking care of. I know that I'll die and know you're okay. If- Don't spend money. Boy, yeah, so that's how she received it.

That's how she received it. Well, I didn't say that. I just, oh my God, bro. So I got, she fired back at me like, what do you, that's something you say to some dumb girl who doesn't make any money and blows money and waste money. I'm nothing like this, she gets all defensive with me. And I'm like, honey, I said,

you could be a fucking accountant and I'd still say the same thing. It's not that. That's your fear. Yeah, and I said, this is me, right? So I feel like that me going, if I know that I'm not going to be able to speak where I'm going to die, and I have one last wish, it would be to take what we worked for

and what we built together up into this point and make it last. And I mean, in my point, opinion, it's the same thing you're saying. I'm just saying it through a financial, like the financial start. I mean, you know, it's funny. It's true that your fear came out. Because that's your thing, right? Sure. 100%. That's, and that's why I was know, it's funny, it's true that your fear came out. Cause that's your thing, right? Sure, 100%. That's, and that's why I was like, it's not about you, cause she took it all personal,

like it had to like, I think that she'd go, you know, try a bunch of fancy cars, and like, we going out and just blow up. Oh, oh, oh. Or something, I'm like, that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I mean by that. I mean, I mean, like, I would even, I would even say, listen, take this much money,

go hire someone to like, manage it for us so that you don't have to do that. Because I do a lot of that for us. So she doesn't have to. So I'm like, so I would want you to go do that. So you can just focus on that. Did she answer the question? If she died, what was she saying to you? I answered it for her.

I said, because then she was giving me shit. I'm like, listen, I mean, I know what you would say. You say, go hug my mom and kiss her goodbye and say, like, it would be all about saying goodbye to her family for her and she goes, okay, yeah, you're kind of right. Yeah, I said, so that's how you think. And I said, this is how I think. I think like, please God, don't let everything that we've built go away.

So my wife and my kid will be okay. If I was dying, I'd look at you guys and be like, put maps at a ball, except we five percent off. Yeah. Watch 2.0. Yeah every five percent off. Yeah. Watch 2.0. Yeah. One last sale. Yeah.

That's a hard question. You know what? You're really hard question. You know, if you, this is literally though, if you have not ever, it's very cheap to buy this little game. It's like a little thing that has, I don't know, thousand. It's called tabletop. It's called tabletop.

You just grab a card at dinner and you guys kind of just, we do it we do it sitting. So it's not usually this heavy of a. Oh yeah, there are some of them are funny. But what I so continue and I I shared this a long time ago. You guys probably don't remember. It was like four four or five years ago when I was sharing like relationship hacks. Yeah, like things like listening to a book together. Yes, like that. So yeah, so this was another thing that we used to do together and it's we wait till max is down and we normally do it Sitting up candlelight in the bedroom and we're hanging out and we'll pull a card and it just it starts great Conversations, you know it starts these conversations and it's normally something like that and you know

Even though we've been together for 13 years you learn something kind of new like how how their brain turned Everybody has different perspectives. Yeah, and it's I love listening to the kids answers because you just you kind of see where they're at Developmentally in terms of how they think about things like black and white or there's some gray here that we never look up The top regrets people have on their deathbed. Yeah, it's always about it's never having to do the money It's always experience. I wish I would have spent more time with my family done more of this like it's never have anything to do with money. It's always a bit more time. I wish I would have spent more time with my family, done more of this, like it's always done. Isn't that wild? Yeah, I know.

I mean, it's not though. I mean, it's very, to me, it's what keeps me trying to live as balanced of a life as I can with my finances, right? Because, and I'm lucky because I think I have a couple of friends that I believe on the ends of the spectrum, crazy ends of both spectrums. I have a couple of friends that I believe on the ends of the spectrum, crazy ends of both spectrums. I have a buddy who like literally is counting every cent

that goes in and out of his account and won't do anything that is wasteful and is saving for whatever is coming, I guess. And then I have my other buddy who's like the check is spent before it hits his account. And there's something to take from both of them. Obviously the dude who's spending money, he deff, there's nothing he holds back on getting if he wants it. You know what I'm saying? And he's, and he's enjoying all those things. Now, I'll

haven't forbid something were to happen because he doesn't have anything saved up. And then my other buddy is like, you know, hey, we're in our 40s now. I mean, at one point, do you go like, you know, all this shit that you've been saving to use this. What's it all for at this point? Yeah, we can't take it when we go. You know, one of my favorite things about training people in advanced age was, because you, I mean, you think to yourself, like, now at 43, I'm way more wise than I was at 33.

Now 33, I was way more wise than I was at 23, but had you asked me at 23, 33, and now, I would say, oh yeah, I know what I need to know. So when I had these older clients in their 70s, 60s, 70s and 80s, I started to respect the fact that they were older, like, well, this person's got a lot of experience. So I'd love to ask them questions.

And they would say things that sound silly, but are so wise. Like, one lady, she'd been married a long time with her husband and I said, what's the secret to, she's like, don't sweat the small stuff. I said, what do you mean by that? She goes, you know, at what some point you stop trying to like change your partner. And you just accept them for who they are. And then it becomes a lot easier.

And I've seen this with my own parents, like my parents, now they've been married a long time. And the stuff that they joke and tease each other about. And it might bicker a little bit. Used to be big old fights when I was a kid between them. But now it's like, it's not a big deal. So that's like a big one. Another one was, and the studies actually support this,

is spend money on, if you're going to spend your money, spend it to give yourself more time or spend it on experiences. I had a client who said, tell me that all the time, like, so buying things is fine. So long as whatever you buy gives you more time or gives you better experiences. Otherwise, it's always the money. And I think I understand a little bit,

you know, what that's like. So like instead of buying something expensive, maybe you spend money on a more expensive dinner because the experience you have with your spouse or rather than spending money on cool gadgets, you spend money to a more expensive dinner because the experience you have with your spouse or rather than spending money on cool gadgets, you spend money to have someone help you so that you have now an extra two hours where you could be with your family, that kind of stuff.

Makes sense, totally makes sense. But you still wanna buy the stuff, right? Yeah. Stuff is always there. No, I think there's a way to have balance. I think what you said with, it has to give me, like for me to make a decision on a purchase now, it has to give me joy, right?

I have to, like, I really enjoy it. And the way I checked myself is the desire to show and tell other people versus I just want to enjoy it for myself. Ooh, that's a good one. Yeah, it's the way I, like, do you care about other people knowing? Yeah. Yeah.

Something else you told me a long time ago, I thought that was brilliant. Maybe this was you, were you put stuff on Amazon? And you save it? Oh yeah, yeah, something else you told me a long time. I thought that was brilliant. Maybe this was you where you put stuff on Amazon and you save it. Oh yeah, yeah. You wait like a week before you buy it. Don't tell myself I can't have it. Like sometimes I just did this.

Bro, I started doing it. To be realistic for me are the places you spend the most time. So you're bad, you're calm. Yeah. Literally those things alone, you know, to kind of enhance them. It enhances your everyday life. Not just like, you know, one time I had this experience,

which I do do that. And I find value in that type of a fun, but, you know, in terms of like figuring out where I spend the majority of my time. Like, why not enhance that and make it better? Why not? No, and I still, so I did it like literally two nights ago. So you literally go on there, you put it on the shopping cart.

I go on shopping cart, like I'm gonna buy it, and I don't say I'm not gonna buy it, just go like, okay, it's all set to go, like I'll get it. And what I normally do is, because we get paid twice a month, right? So I go like, oh, when my check comes in, it's normally between a pay period, right? Or something, it's like, oh, I get paid in six days,

when my check comes in, or when we get paid, I'll go get it. And by that time, a lot of times my emotions or feelings around that thing has changed. So true. Normally what ends up happening is, and just like I was doing was looking for, you know, body kits, I was going to do a bunch of stuff to Katrina's car, right? I was going to put all this body kit, expensive as shit, too, right? So I'm putting it all, all that would be sick, whatever like that. And the only reason why I was doing that was because I was in the middle of a conversation with everybody about cars and tricking them out Listen that so excited. Yeah, so good all excited and you know I and so I started doing it and I put it all in there and then I know I already know like I know in three days when I go back to revisit

I'll be like I don't really need that. It's not gonna really make anything. I wonder how much Impulsive buys have gone through the roof because of online shopping. How fast and easy. Oh, my God. The guarantee has been through the roof. It is for me. I buy stupid shit all the time now.

Well, they talk about it. It's easy. Wasn't that one of the things that would made Amazon so the one click, right? The one click to be able to purchase, like, oh, yeah, no, that's, because imagine that. I mean, that's another thing too, right? Luckily, when I'm shopping on a lot of these websites

that I have to input all this information because if it was as easy as like, yeah, you want to hear click and they'll be at your house and they're, have you guys seen that you can go to other companies try to buy something and it gives you the one click option to pay through Amazon? Have you seen that? Oh, no, it is.

So you'll go buy something on it. I've done this a couple times, ruggle buy something, but the whole process of entering my name and everything, have to time on the ad or they want it. But now they'll give you an option, say, one click through your Amazon account. I'm like, fuck. Wow.

Yes, because they know they see how powerful it is. I know, right? I do notice now, and we've brought this up, and I know it's not like new news to anybody, but the ability to follow you around after you mentioned search Anything like is crazy now. I mean I I noticed it in conversation We'll be talking about something in the room and it's like all of a sudden now I'm getting hit with ads on that all the time everywhere I go. It's like god damn these things

Dude, I'm getting hit with anti-aging peptides and supplements because I've been reading a research program. And it gets me because I'm like, what's this cool? Dude, even somebody you're hanging out with mentioned something and it'll show up in your ads. It's like, it's not an accident. That's what I noticed in weird shit like that.

There's a mic, they're picking up on it. It's certain video. It's like, dude, there's so much more going on with your phone than we realize. We're gonna find find out later they've been spying on us a little time you know you brought up a peptides and so I just I want to get better at every time we bring that stuff up because I still get tons of messages we have a free mind pump hormones forum so you got questions about peptides testosterone both men and women, twice a month.

We've got doctors in there that are talking. Answering questions for free. This is totally free. They were way better qualified to answer than myself or any of these guys. And so if you have questions around any of that stuff, join the forum and engage with them when we're all in there.

And the doctors are there. If you want to like a one on one, you know, assessment, they can actually go and break you down and whatever. And that one's not free. If you want that one on one assessment, then you go to mphorimones.com, you can schedule appointment. Yes.

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Of course. Yeah, tons of value in tracking your workouts. Mainly because we can get caught up in the workout itself, the feeling, right? So I've done this many times where I probably should have a deload week, but because I had a good pre workout or I'm coming in, I'm feeling hyped, I end up pushing myself harder than I should.

Also, it's hard to keep track of everything in your mind, whether it be reps or technique or form or how you felt or stiffness. Oftentimes, the only thing we tend to keep track of is the weight that we lift and we tend to forget other things. So, really, it's the only way to stay truly objective. Like, if you really want to be objective, you've got to have numbers and stuff in front of you. Yeah, and I think it's one of those things you hope to be able to have a intuitive level of training where you can, you have enough experience to where, when you walk into the gym, you kind of know where to go and how to navigate and how to like, you know, provide

your body with the sort of stimulus that will help you keep progressing, but you're never gonna get there until you really take the time out to track and to be diligent, and it's a discipline in itself to be able to see how you're doing in the gym is actually helping or maybe not helping quite as substantially as you thought. I mean, it's just like diet. It's the same thing. I mean, I think that,

and to your point about intuitive training, I mean, that's the end goal, right? The end goal is to be able to intuitively eat and intuitively train. You don't want to have to track your workouts or track your diet for the rest of your life. That would be awful. But it's kind of necessary to have bring awareness around what you're

currently doing. Otherwise, you're going to estimate off. There's plenty of research to prove that when people, you know, guess what they're doing, they're not accurate at all. So, you know, now what's included in that, in my opinion, is following a written workout. So, if you're following a maps program, I think it's less important that you're tracking. I think there's value to tracking your weight and what you're doing within the program, but the most important part is I think following something consistently and then looking back and measuring what you get from that. So if you're following, say, a maps program and you do exactly what it says in there, it's less important than that, because in a sense you're tracking. I mean, you're following something that's written for you, so I think there's value in that.

Yeah, in tracking would include, of course, exercise, wraps, sets, but I also tell clients to track how they felt, energy-wise, if there was any stiffness or pain. So, like, I'll have a client, you know, do, let's say they did a bench press and like, ooh, my shoulder feels a little tight, so then I have to go do some priming and then go back. That's good to track, because you tend to forget that. You tend to forget that two weeks, you know, down the line that, oh, my shoulder did bother me a little bit, two weeks ago. Now, it's not so much, right? Well, and also too, like, one of those added metrics that I've added, you know, even going through this again

programming with high school kids was having that grip test and just to see differences in the day as they came in before the workouts and to see where their central nervous system, like how much it was willing to provide them for the day. And so it was interesting to kind of trace back sleep, for instance, for one factor, or stress, or just overwhelming amounts of schoolwork,

or like they had like all these tests and like their performance there was dropped a bit. So it's just, it's good information and data for you then to have knowledge going forward in your training. I do want to defend the people that have chosen not to track and don't ever plan to track. If you are at a place with your health and your fitness goals that you have accomplished them or you're completely content and happy, I don't want to run faster, jump higher, be stronger. I just want to be faster, jump higher, be stronger.

I just want to be healthy and me exercising is keeping me there. And in your content with that, I find. Yeah, you're fine. It's only somebody who was coming to me and saying, I have XYZ goals, or I'm struggling with XYZ. Do I think it's necessary for us to start tracking these things?

Because technically, if you keep your diet in check and you eat well and you create movement on a regular basis, whether that be through sports or choosing some of your favorite extra size for the day or your Zoombook class, I don't give a shit. I mean, it's not necessarily necessary that you track, but if you're trying to get somewhere, you have a goal, and you don't, I think that's kind of silly. Yeah, here's a little hack, too, by the way, because I'm old enough to remember what it

was like to work out before we had smartphones. And I was definitely more present in my workout. And tracking your your workout can help you be present because you sit down and write down what's going on but don't write it in your phone because there's apps and there's social media and there's texting. So bring a notepad with you in a piece of paper and just the practice of tracking can make you more present in your workout. Just the fact that I have something that I have to pay attention to how I feel. Counter-reps. It's yeah, and so I'm writing that down. And I do that today. So even now, sometimes when I'm working out, I find myself in between sets, I'll be on my phone.

So what I'll do is I'll leave my phone in a corner of the gym. And so that when I work out, if I want to go to my phone, I have to get up and walk over to it. And so I don't, and I end up becoming more present in my workouts. I actually have better workouts when I do that. Yeah, I've definitely noticed that. Like in the coaches and in myself, we talk about this all the time that there's lots of helpful apps and tools out there in terms of even watching film from previous games or uh... you know that it turns into just a distraction that uh... leads pretty much uh...

the the undesired result of that is is that they just don't do the work so dogs the most consistent out of all of us when it comes to tracking his work out i think uh... for the last eight years that i've known him i don't think i've ever seen him work out without a notepad. You obviously don't need that anymore. Why do you do it? Well, I'm typically following a maps program

and I do need it. I feel like I need it. I grade all those work up there. Yeah, I think the day I'm gonna solid A minus red now. I'm gonna solid A minus red now. But no, I just feel like I'm being more mindful as you'd mentioned. And also I'm being more mindful, as you had mentioned. And also, I'm tracking my weights, my reps, you know, I'm seeing if I'm making progress.

And for me, it's just a way to stay consistent with my workouts. And I kind of like just having all these notebooks too. I've got dozens of these things that I've been making over the years. Not that I'll ever look at them ever again, but it's kind of like a feeling of accomplishment. I'll tell you why I don't track anymore, because I used to track all the time. I stopped because I got caught up in trying to beat my previous workout.

So I noticed when I track, now I've been doing this for a long time. So I'm at the point now where, I mean, it's like the back of my, I know like the back of my hand. So I don't, it's not necessary for me to track anymore. And what I caught myself doing was that I would track, I would look at my, my notebook for today's workout compared to the previous

workout. And I would always find that nagging voice that was like, oh, you got to do one more wrap. Don't be a pussy. Or yeah, add a little bit away. And so I stopped, I stopped tracking all together. But I do, I do try to stay present by keeping my phone across the gym. But for most people, unless you've been working out for a long time, it's a good idea. It's definitely a good idea. Next question is from Seedlein's coaching. Would you recommend electric muscle stimulation for someone who needs to build lots of muscle? No, it's always the time.

You know, okay, so answer no. So okay, STEM has been around for a long time. So I know that in this is one of those things in fitness that gets recycled, keeps making its way back. It gets recycled year after year. It'll either be like a belt that you wear around your core and you can do crunches while you're at work or you know, I have ones for your butt now. Hads that you just stick on specifically. The new ones right? The new ones that are getting popular right now, the ones that you just stick on specifically. The new ones, right? The new ones that are getting popular right now, the ones that you saw been greenfield do recently, I've seen some of these body builder coaches using them,

where people are actually working out while they're, while they're shocking themselves. Yeah, I don't see, I do not see, there's a so not pragmatic whatsoever. You got this big ass machine with these wires sticking out of your pants and stuff. No one's gonna do that. Ridiculous. No, and what are you gonna do? You're gonna activate a little bit more muscle fiber. You know how you-ass machine with these wires sticking out of your pants and stuff. No one's going to do that. Ridiculous.

No. And what are you going to do? You're going to activate a little bit more muscle fiber. You know how you do that, by the way? Try this. Do a really strong isometric where you're pushing against it. Okay. So nothing activates more muscle fibers, like pushing against an immovable object. So what happens is, let's say I'm doing a bench press, but the bar is, let's say, I have it stuck on the safety. So I'm not gonna lift the bar, but I push as hard as I can. Because I'm pushing and the bar isn't moving,

my body starts to recruit more and more and more muscle fibers, and nothing's been shown to recruit more muscle fibers in that. So if you wanna get the effects that they purport with stem by activating more muscle fibers, do an isometric rep, like I just described, and then go do your normal set. You'll get more out of that than you will with fancy machinery. Stim is an artificial external stimulus. You're not producing that intrinsically, and so you don't develop that skill of it. Yeah, you're not developing the skill. And so what are you really training at that point?

Maybe you are getting muscle stimulation, but you could magnify that, like substantially, just, you know, do a technique like Sal mentioned, which would have like massive carryover for the rest of your entire body and your training. Yeah, what are you doing if you're telling your muscles to contract hard because of an external signal? The only way it makes sense to me is because you can't because you're injured.

Yes, that's where it has. Oh, no, Rehab there's purpose. Rehab, there's purpose. Application for rehab. Like I said, it's thin, it's been around forever. If I can't move my leg, it's totally incapacitated, then I can do some stem and that'll prevent some muscle loss. We know that. Or it'll help rehab an area a little faster. We know that. But no,

I have yet to see anything that convinces me that this is worth anything. The only person that I would see that this would have value in is the person that's doing everything perfect is the biohacker influencer who's going to write a article about it or something like otherwise I don't exactly. Otherwise, it's a complete, I article about it or something like that. Otherwise I don't. Exactly. Otherwise it's a complete, I think this is a waste of time. Even then, it's more effective techniques. So for me, it just kind of pales and compares. Now, what's your thoughts on as a recovery tool for, like, let's say, somebody over,

overreached and they're really sore in an area, would you, would you see any value in stimulating that muscle? Because if you stimulate that muscle, you're always going to pump more blood and fluid through it. Yeah, but it's not going to be as good as just moving it yourself. Yeah. It'll do something, but it's not. I guess it's better than nothing.

Well, okay, so that's what I'm saying. So I'm laid up at home and watching TV. I should get down and do a flow session because that would promote the same circulation. It's just better than nothing. Right. And so it's like nominal, yeah. Yeah, I would say nominal. But yeah, I mean, Bruce Lee used to us, Tim.

That's how long it's been around, but no, there's no science to support. And even then, I'd probably look more into blood occlusion training for rehab in terms of the value of the technique. Next question is from coil 1234. Is soreness a good indicator that your workout was effective? Currently doing a five by five two to three times per week and unless I am sore, I feel

like I didn't do enough. It's technically the opposite. Yeah. I remember when I read that and I kind of blew my mind. Dude, I was just going to say it's probably one of the biggest game changers that I learned about what training was that soreness was not an indicator of a good workout. I thought it was, so the kid. And if I didn't get so hard.

The majority of people still think that. No, my best gains came when I stopped getting sore. It's a fact. When my workouts are perfect, I feel them a little bit. That's it. I don't get super sore. When I'm super sore, that tells me I did too much. You're overreached.

Yeah. That's exactly what that is, that you overreached, which means you could have done less and got the same or more results. And that's the part that you have to understand is that if you are really sore, then you could have done less work and got the same or better results. Because if that soreness hinders at all, any of the movement that you go for and do the next day, then it's, you're taking steps back, you don't realize.

Plus we confuse healing with the adaptation. So I'll use it a different analogy, right? So let's say I cut my hand, where I rub my hand with something really rough. So now the skin is gone and the deeper layers are exposed, so the skin's tender. First, what my skin does is it heals. So it'll rebuild the skin that I rubbed off.

And then what it'll do is it'll adapt by developing a callus. Okay, so healing, yes, healing versus adapting. So when you create a little bit of damage in your muscle through exercise, your body first heals, then it adapts. So it's got to heal the muscle and then it has to adapt by making it stronger. If you're getting sore, weight till soreness goes away, workout, get sore, weight till soreness away, goes away, works out and you never adapt. You're just stuck on a wheel. You're just

getting sore and then going back and not getting stronger and not improving. So, no, this is how you should feel after workout. Maybe a little bit of soreness, but really you should feel better than you did when you walked into the gym. And no soreness is good too. The way you gauge the effectiveness of your workout is your progress. That's it. Not your soreness, but am I stronger? Am I stronger?

Am I faster? Am I building muscle? Do I have less pain? That's how you gauge. Soreness is a terrible indicator. I can make look. I can tell you what. I can take an advanced body builder who works out seven days a week and is on tons of gear and all that stuff. And I could easily make him soar, but I haven't been to do some shit that he never does. I could have him go swim in the pool for 30 minutes. He'll get sore, right? Did he build more muscle? No. So terrible indicator. Yeah, I think that's really just,'s the point like you you can switch up your

training and there's going to be a phase where it's new novel stimulus where your body's going to react to it a little bit differently. So again, this is where to the ego, we got to check it because you probably have to do a substantial amount of less weight and and that's something that like, you know, most people are just like, well, I can lift quite a substantial amount of less weight. And that's something that like, most people are just like, well, I can lift quite a substantial amount in this conventional setting versus doing something like this. Like it doesn't translate the same.

So the sortness you should take as an indicator of, okay, this is something that I need to adjust and maybe like bring scale back just a bit more. So I appropriately add this type of stress. Next question is from Joseph Charles. Do carbohydrates cause inflammation? No, that's such a general question too. I mean, certain foods can cause inflammation depending on the individual.

If you have an immune response, for example, they could if you're over consuming them. I'll just going to say, overeating causes inflammation, right? Do some carbohydrates cause inflammation? And some people, yeah, like, let's say you have like a gluten intolerance or something like that. Yeah, or like, you know, certain foods, you know, cause you gastroissues will now

they're inflammatory. Some fats can do that as well. Some proteins can as well. Overconsumption is probably the leading cause of inflammation. Also, when it comes to food, also we have to consider inflammation, it's not a bad thing. Inflammation is a signaler, it tells the part of the process.

It tells the body that we need to heal, when you get stronger, when you do adapt, so you don't want to get rid of inflammation. You just want healthy, appropriate inflammation. And carbohydrates don't cause it. They can cause it, but that depends on the context of the individual and how many total calories are eating. And the same thing could be said for proteins and fats.

Now, there are certain types of fats, for example, that are almost always inflammatory like trans fats. Sugars may be inflammatory depending on the individual, but for some people they're not. So it's such a general thing. And what's happened in the health space is that we know that inflammation is connected to chronic disease, although inflammation is also connected to building muscle, getting stronger, more endurance, all that stuff.

But we know that the inflammation is connected to chronic disease. So now everything's got to be anti-inflammatory. Well, if that were the case, we could take corticosteroids and we could take ibuprofenolose But we know that the inflammation is connected to chronic disease. So now everything's got to be anti-inflammatory. Well, if that were the case, we could take cortical steroids and we could take ibuprofen all day long and we would live a long time, right? No, if you do that you'll live less, you're short in your lifespan. People who take high doses, chronic doses of NSAIDs like ibuprofen or naproxin or other types of drugs that are over the counter, they have higher rates of tendon rupture and ligament damage and joint issues. So you need

some inflammation. So it's not all bad. The key is to have appropriate levels of inflammation and to be overall healthy. So this, I can't answer this question, right? It depends on the individual and the context of our life. And once I look at that, then we can say, yes, for this person, I feel like this is because of the divide in our space of like the wellness or performance. Yes, totally. So it's like the, you know, the lane Norton versus the crunchy hippie, you know, functional doctor who's trying to tell people that. So this is another example of what frustrates me about our spaces. You have two intellects that are trying to communicate this information. Then instead of it's not black and white. It's

not he's right, he's wrong or vice versa. It's, you know, there's context matters, you know, and who I'm finding out too, how how everything affects you differently. I mean, it's been really cool since we've been wearing these glucose monitors, just paying attention to just how all the foods affect me differently. And so a lot of times it's like, I wouldn't guess that. I'll eat something and I'll be like,

oh, I bet that's gonna spike big time. And then it doesn't. Or something like, oh, that wasn't that big of a deal. Holy shit, look how much time on that weird. It's very weird. And it's unique to me. So the same thing that affects me that way is different than sound.

So I just think that there's tremendous value in figuring that out for yourself, but these statements that our space come out with, which I think is for a boogie man. You know, it doesn't matter. It shifts all the time too. And so carbs have definitely taken on that villain characteristic. Oh, they're going after protein.

Yeah. Remember I told you guys, when we first started the podcast that I knew protein would be next and it's sure enough, now you're seeing people talk about how cutting protein leads to longevity and protein spikes, m-tore, which can feed cancer and all that stuff. And it's like, well, yeah, and it pro-cancer environment proteins and carbohydrates feed cancer because it's a cell. But in an anti-in a healthy environment, it doesn't work that way. I think this also comes from the fact that

being in a ketogenic diet, ketones themselves have anti-inflammatory effects. But that doesn't mean carbohydrates are inflammatory. It just means that ketones, depending on the context, can be anti-inflammatory for some people. So again, this is way too general of a question. And no, they're not the bogeyman. Carbohydrates are totally fine.

Of course, they're not all created equal. And context matters the most. That matters the most. If the context is a pro-inflammatory, high calorie, unhealthy individual, well, yeah, carbs can be inflammatory, so can proteins and fats with that person too? Well, and I think generally, like what we found the most is like

being in a surplus enhances whatever effect that has. Oh, dude, so whatever the food affects you, if you're in a surplus more than often, you're gonna experience, you know, a more powerful result of that. Totally. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfreed.com and check out all of our

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