Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1778: Powerlifting Vs. Powerbuilding, Bodybuilding Training For Athletes, the Pros & Cons of NoFap & More

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether powerbuilding is just powerlifting with the side effect of gaining mass and size, if an athlete can train like a bodybuilder and excel in their sport, whether someone in their late 20s should do TRT if their test levels are under 450, and the pros and cons of doing NoFap. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here is a simple easy way to lose body fat, eat your carbs! (3:14) Mind Pump on the controversy surrounding transgender swimmer Lia Thomas. (12:19) When strongmen compete in boxing. (22:28) The Hope Study on resilience and the power of hope. (29:53) Yet another reason why Zbiotics is superior in helping your gut break down acetaldehyde. (36:47) The new frontier for advertising in our dreams. (40:09) Eat Paleo Valley and avoid gas station beef sticks. (46:35) #Quah question #1 - Is powerbuilding just powerlifting with the side effect being that of gaining mass and size? (50:28) #Quah question #2 - Can an athlete train like a bodybuilder and excel in their sport? (57:29) #Quah question #3 - Should someone in their late 20s do TRT if their test levels are under 450? (1:03:40) #Quah question #4 - What are the scientific pros and cons of doing NoFap? (1:07:27) Related Links/Products Mentioned March Promotion: Limited Time Power Bundle! MAPS Strong and MAPS Powerlift for the low price of $79.99 Carb Cycling: A Good Way To Lose Fat? - Mind Pump Blog Swimmer Lia Thomas becomes first transgender athlete to win an NCAA D-I title Mind Pump #895: Do Transgender Athletes Have An Unfair Advantage? Thor vs. Eddie Hall full fight video highlights - MMA Fighting Mind Pump #710: Robert Oberst Is Stronger Than You Drowning Rats Psychology Experiment: Resilience and the Power of Hope Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Antabuse: Uses, How to Take, Side Effects, Warnings Mind Pump #1682: Bacteria For Muscle Gain, Fat Loss & Health Are advertisers going to infiltrate our dreams? Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “Mindpump15” at checkout for 15% discount** Visit Oli Pop for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “mindpump” at checkout for 15% off your first order** MAPS Fitness Anabolic MAPS Aesthetic MP Hormones Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum Mind Pump #1212: Seven Ways To Raise Your Testosterone Naturally Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Robb Wolf (@dasrobbwolf)  Instagram Eddie hall - The Beast (@eddiehallwsm)  Instagram Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson (@thorbjornsson)  Instagram Robert Oberst (@robertoberst)  Instagram Mike O'Hearn (@mikeohearn)  Instagram Chris Bumstead (@cbum)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? Today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But we opened the episode with an intro portion. This is what we talk about some current events and we bring up scientific studies.

And we mentioned our sponsor. So today's intro was 41 minutes long. After that, we got to the questions. Here's what went down in today's show. We opened up by talking about the simplest, easiest way to lose body fat. Then we talked about the controversy around Leah Thomas. This is the transgender athlete that won the NCAA swimming championship. Then we talked about Eddie Hall versus Thor. This was a boxing match with strong men. Pretty cool. Then we talked about a rat study,

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The third question, this person wants to know if somebody in their late 20s should start TRT if their testosterone is a little bit low. And the final question, this person wants to know what the pros and cons are, scientifically speaking, of no fat. Also, all month long, we're running a huge promotion. We've combined maps, power lift, with maps strong, in what we are calling the Maps Power Bundle.

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Just cut your carbs. Terrible, oh yeah. No, you know what? So, no, of course, there's more detail in its way more complex than that. But, and by the way, there's no like, and I'm gonna get into why this is a simple easy way to lose weight or lose fat.

First off, there's no like physiological magic that happens with cutting carbs, but it's mainly behavioral, and here's a couple reasons why. One, and I don't think this is a great long-term strategy. I'm just saying it's a simple easy way to lose weight. One, it's simple because it's very clear cut carbs and people tend to do well in the short term

with stuff like that. Two, when you cut carbs, you cut most of your processed foods out of your diet. It's just kind of naturally brings a calorie amount down on it's own. Of course, yes. In order to lose fat, you have to drop your calories below what you're burning.

That's, I'm glad you said that. It doesn't matter what your carbs are at or your fats or proteins. If your calories aren't low enough, it's not gonna happen. But when you cut carbs, heavily processed foods are almost always eliminated out of the diet, which if you cut fat, not necessarily, obviously cut protein, which would be stupid,

not necessarily. But if you look at heavily processed foods, a majority of them are these carb heavy types of foods, and I think in those, the foods that make you overeat, so that's why it's a simple, easy approach for the most part. So when I competed, this is what I used a carb cycling. Before that, I never did carb cycling. So my entire training, I don't know,

if you've either one of you fucked up, or fucked with that much, but I didn't at all up until I would have known how to do it the right way. Yeah, definitely messed up. Like going into games, like I tried my carb cycle and you know, it's like, I'm tired. Yeah. Terrible. You've been from high cars all over loaded and then depleted. And was like, I'm not energy. I think every every kid that grew up like the 80s and 90s for sure did that for like sports. Like I loaded up on the post. Or for tests.

Yeah. I got a testimony. Pancakes. Everybody bought into that. But we've got 15 pancakes, right? And tables and time for you to make any of the night before. No, so I so, okay, right when I got into the competing scene, I started kind of looking up carbs cycling.

And by the way, there's lots of different ways to doing it too, like as far as like how, like what percentage is the number. So, you know, please, lots of different ways they're doing it too, like as far as like what percentages and numbers, so you know, please, I know we're all kinds of messages around that. There's, you know, a ton of different ways to do it. But what I liked the best about it was my cravings. Yeah.

I noticed when I reduced the carbohydrates that the cravings weren't as bad. And so, and I don't know if that's versus cutting fat. Right. And so I don't know if that's the processed food, the point that you're bringing up right now, that's why it was because I dramatically reduced the carbohydrates, therefore a good portion

of that might have been coming from processed foods and so that the cravings just weren't there. Or is that just in general, carbohydrates tend to kick up the appetite? They both do because if you look at the satiety, so they've done this, right? They've tested kind of the satiety effects of the macronutrients, meaning if we proteins, fats,

or carbohydrates, how much does that affect your hunger and your cravings, how long does that affect last? Protein is the highest in terms of satiety. So protein will crush appetite more than fats or carbs. Second place is fats, third place is carbohydrates. Carbohydrates have the least impact on satiety. So if you're gonna eat a, let's say you're gonna eat a 2000 calorie diet

and that puts you at a deficit, that means you're gonna lose weight. But the 2000 calorie diet is low fat high carb versus a low carb high fat diet. For most people, the low carb high fat diet will feel easier to stick to from a satiety standpoint. That doesn't mean it's a great long-term approach, you're just still cutting out whole swaths

of potentially healthy foods. But in the short term, it's easy. Now, carb cycling, why do athletes or bodybuilders carb cycle? Well, because when you cut your carbs down, your workouts kind of suck. You don't get great pumps, you kind of look flat. And so what bodybuilders do is they will throw carbs in here

and there to give them those good workouts, which is also really important. So, but I mean, when it comes to satiety, that's 100%. And again, it's the processed food thing. If you go down the aisles of your grocery store and look at all the heavily processed foods, a majority of them are these kind of carb-heavy, grain-heavy types of foods and some of them contain fats and oils and salt and all that stuff to make it taste good.

But it's hard. In fact, before the low carb craze, there was no processed low carb foods. That didn't happen until it became super popular and then people were like, well, I want some snacks, you know, then a low carb. So you started to see that, you know, coming to the fray phrase well. I always found it so interesting how like so there's days Where we get busy today's an example of that where we get going It's like we're getting a late start today on a Monday and I haven't had anything to eat totally fine You know probably around noon or one when we take a lunch. I'll have my first meal the day

If I were to have had like let's say at six or seven o'clock in the morning, a small bowl of oatmeal, say two, 300 calories of oatmeal, I would feel like I'm starving right now. It is the trippiest thing, and I've done that enough times where I've played with that, where I've cut out the food the morning, or I've switched it to maybe like a high fat or high protein breakfast, and I'm not as hungry as if I were to just have like a small

200, 300 calorie, carb, heavy type of breakfast early on. Two, three hours later, I wanna eat again. Well, yeah, I know it's the same thing and that's why when talking about carbs I'll try to incorporate that more when I'm in the bulk and I'm trying to kind of increase that appetite. I have that same experience, especially in the morning,

is I make sure incorporate that in my breakfast and the rest of the day, that's exactly what I would do. So that's a bulking tip for you, right? So it seems kind of counter-tuitive, right? To have a breakfast that's only two or 300 calories that's mostly carbohydrates, but I find when I get up and I do that early, like it kick starts and now I wanna eat every two hours,

whereas if I'm trying to cut, I simply skip that breakfast and I don't eat that, and then I'm actually early, like it kick starts, and now I wanna eat every two hours, whereas if I'm trying to cut, I simply skip that breakfast and I don't eat that, and then I'm actually fine to like- Or even have like just eggs and bacon. Right, or have just like a high protein, high fat type of breakfast. Now the evolutionary, I guess explanation for this would kind of go like this, right?

So in nature, so you gotta ask yourself, why is it that proteins are so satiating and carbohydrates not so much? Well, in nature, if you're eating high protein, high fat, you're probably eating a lot of animal products, right? You've hunted something and killed it. Animal meat is the most nutrient dense food on the planet. So your body, our bodies probably evolved to not get us to want to eat so much more because we probably got all the nutrients that we needed. Versus, if I'm in nature and I'm gathering and I haven't successfully hunted anything and I'm eating plants,

even if I eat an equal amount of calories and plants, I'm not getting the same amount of nutrients. Or, and part of that is that you need a lot of variety of plants in order to equal the same kind of nutrient profile you'd get from me. So I think that's probably where it comes from, Is that your body, is it senses the carbohydrates, nose, not getting as many nutrients, so the appetite's going to be kick up, so you eat more of these things. You're more motivated to get more of this food. So that's kind of what happens. Now, of course, this is an oversimplification, and there's a lot more that goes into it. And I

don't think it's a great long-term approach. I don't think eliminating carbs is a great long term. I think just pragmatically, you live in the real world. They're around you everywhere. I don't think it creates a great relationship with food. But in the short term, it's the easiest. I'm just gonna be honest with you. For most people that I've worked with from a behavioral standpoint, short term,

appetite standpoint, short term. If I had to give them like one thing or two things to do, cutting carbs would be the main thing. Unless they were high performance athletes, in which case, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't want them to get crushed on the field because they're going, yeah. Like remember when Paleo was like the big CrossFit thing

and then all the Paleo athletes were like, it's not a good idea. Hopefully they learned their lesson from that. Yeah. Wasn't that fuel in their workouts? Is that not how Rob Wolf got introduced to them? Yep. Right. Because he came in as like a nutritionist consultant for them. He was like, hey, probably not a good idea. No. Well, they started bonking out there. They actually started changing the what paleo

man. So first everybody's like, yeah, paleo fruit and just fruit and meat and you know, all the natural. Yeah. Yeah. And everybody's like, man, I feel like shit. So they're like, what about sweet potato? Isn't that kind of, yeah. That kind of natural. And there is a, yeah. Yeah. Didn't we just miss the, didn't we just miss the games that the games just happened?

There's so, do you know, oh, can't ask Doug, he's worthless today. Yeah. So, Doug's on the hustle, man. Before the show starts, Doug says, hey, I'm gonna be kind of checked out for the seventh. So, that's fucking great to know.

Yeah. We're just gonna throw facts out there. Before the show starts, Doug says, Hey, I'm gonna be kind of checked out for this episode. That's fucking great to know. We're just gonna throw facts out there and hope it lands. I'm just gonna resolve right now. We didn't know it. Like, he just totally trolled on this episode. His voice floating right there. I think they did. I thought I saw somebody post something.

I think it's like, is it, I mean, we're totally biased, right? Cause we've been calling the CrossFit going down eventually, right? So I think it's on its way down. I think they had, so I thought I read somewhere that had something like the least amount of signups for the CrossFit Games or attendees, one of the others. So I don't know where it's at.

I thought maybe one of you guys would see it or not. No, no, I do. I'm really watching. Speaking of sports, there's a lot of controversy going on in the sports world right now. Did you guys, did you guys need all right what's for tennis no

after a seal talky talk about women's college swimming uh... didn't we bring this up we didn't we did not not talk about the the attack about the atomis winning first place i think this is the most insane ridiculous argument. I can't even believe people are debate.

So I got on Twitter, right? Cause that's where I'm at now. So one place hasn't kicked me off yet. We'll see what happens. And I said, look, there's a couple of points I made. So first of all, I think allowing trans women to compete in women's categories and sports is terrible and it makes me upset

for two different reasons. One, it sets the LGBTQ community back. It really does. I think this one thing right here, is setting them back tremendously and you can see in the polls that it's starting to happen and it's setting them back because everybody has common sense and everybody can know this is bullshit.

Number two, is a total assault on women and women sports because the whole reason why we created gender categories is because there's a general major difference, especially at the ends of performance between men and women. And transition therapy, in fact, here's a deal. Look, you can do transition therapy. It's not going to erase all your advantages. So unless we get rid of the gender categories completely, it's just Fox Title IX too, right? How long ago was it when we implemented that? Wasn't that long ago, wasn't? Has he been around for a couple of decades or so?

So I mean, I'm not following this that closely. Sort of like feminist heads exploding right now. I mean, I would assume so. I mean, I know that there's finally been some women speaking out about how the season fair and this has gone too far. And they're just in their complaints. No, what it does is, and I got into a discussion with a doctor of all people, okay?

This was a doctor on Twitter, didn't like what I said. We went back and forth, and he goes, show me the studies. And I say, okay, you want a study to show you that fire's hot too, but whatever. So I found a couple studies sent to to him. Here you go, they've done studies on this. And I said, and by the way, athletic performance, the reason why men have better physical performance generally,

is it just testosterone? So there's so many biological things, advantages that we have. One of them being testosterone, there's also Androgen receptor density, there's also myostatin, there's also connective tissue and how that works bone structure, all controlled through the the Y chromosome, right? This happens through the Y chromosome. And then the argument comes back and they say, well, there's plenty of women that are strong or the man and there's this in that say,

look, yes, of course, when you get down to the individual, it's all up to the individual, but when you get to the extremes, the strongest people, the fastest people, the people who jump the highest are all men. And the whole reason why they created these categories was to allow women to have this. You know that she was a ranked male, right? 200.

No, 400. So, I mean, so it's not like, not like she was a bad male swimmer. I mean, bad in comparison to the other collegiate athletes But not in the general population. No, so you already have like an elite swimmer already as a man Transition, you know, you think just taking testosterone out of her body is going to do or his body's gonna do that. No, no, no It's crazy ridiculous. It's very it makes me really obsessed. So my thing is this I especially the combat sports by the way That's the worst you put them in a ring having fight. Oh my god, dude. That's gonna be real bad

I think that's I do think that that's the general consensus though I don't think that I think we're just at this weird transition right now that I remember when we had how how many years ago Was it when we had the transgender come on come on the show? Oh? Ginger come on come on the show. Oh, that was like two years, two or three years ago. It was like an athlete and a lawyer come on. I think you two would be just to, you know, sort of like jump in on that. Like I know that the argument was like it wouldn't get to this level. Yeah, that was just to go there. Yeah. And it's like this is the clearest example of somebody abusing or finding a loophole to be able to get a championship. This is only the beginning. Remember when we had that conversation I brought that up and they were like, oh, that's ridiculous

to think that somebody would go through all, going through a section just to win a title and then I brought up the whole Olympic survey that they did when they asked the people that would give up life, you know, in order to win a gold medal. If a majority of Olympic athletes are willing to give up their life five years later to win a gold medal. If a majority of Olympic athletes are willing to give up their life five years later to win a gold medal, what makes you think that some people would not change their sex to win a medal? Yeah, and that's crazy. And honestly, I don't even care about that.

That's not even for me personally, that's not the point. The whole point is, if we agree that gender categories in sports exist specifically so that women can get that for that reason initially, right? Yeah, then we wanna maintain those, then this is just not fair, it just isn't. And again, if you wanna eliminate all gender categories and sports, okay, we could talk about that, but here's what's gonna happen.

Women are not gonna crack the top 300 or 400 and most at that level of sports. Again, yes, there's women that get better. Look, I've been lifting weights my entire most of my life and there's stronger women. There's women stronger than me. But I'm not an elite male, right? You compare elite female to elite male

and then you see a huge difference. And if you, and I'll do this, look, you give my sisters all the steroids in the world, you put me on low testosterone, I'll still beat them in arm wrestling. Like, it's not just the testosterone, there's permanent effects that last, especially after puberty, that you just can't testosterone, there's permanent effects that last, especially after

puberty, that you just can't erase, it's just not fair. And it's really crazy that this is a debate. Well, I mean, obviously some people are upset about this. Is there any movement towards some way of rectifying this in terms of like a different league or like a way to incorporate transgender athletes? I think they will. Yeah, because I mean, there's gotta be some talks or some movement in that direction.

I just don't think they anticipated this. I don't think they anticipated this and I think that the few idiots out there that are doubling and tripling down on it, I think they are just trying to combat bigots and they think when someone like you know what they've done? You know what they've done? They made it worse. These morons have emboldened bigots. And they think when someone like you post them with them, you know what they've done? They've made it worse.

These morons have emboldened bigots. I know. I can't. Now if you're a bigot and you're like, screw trans people, whatever. Now you can point to something with some validity and be like, see, this right here is insane. This, and it's like,

it's just the idea of fair and unfair. Yeah. That's where it has nothing to do with, I mean, it does, but it's, again, yeah, they twist it to make, turning it to a biggest. Yeah, and here's the part that's, so you said the few idiots, bro, this is the NCAA,

the Olympics of a lot, these are the, yeah, the highest, the biggest, under the pressure, though, of outside forces. I don't think the NCAA, I think a lot of these, what are they gonna do? They're gonna go back and take away their titles and be like, hey, everybody, just kidding. Like, these are the biggest,

most powerful governing bodies in the world who are standing their ground and making this happen. And not only that, silencing the athletes. You're gonna be athletes afterwards? They're saying that they can get in. Well, I know that the athletes, you saw the picture right of the second, third and fourth place, all got together

and took a picture kind of like, not including. By the way, this is, now here's where I'm going to piss everyone off. I think this is a direct result of this silly argument that we've had for the last few decades where certain people have said there's no inherent differences between men and women. This is where that leads to. This is the slope that this leads to. Not based on any biological side. No, there's general differences between men and women. And by the way, most of us are almost the same. It's when you get to the ends that you see the extreme differences, the ends, right?

So, which by the way, high performance sports is that is the ends. It is, right? So, if you take just a bunch of everyday people, or you take a bunch of fit women versus a bunch of unfit guys, or whatever, yeah, you'll see no difference, or maybe take a bunch of fit women versus a bunch of unfit guys, or whatever, yeah, you'll see no difference, or maybe in the women woman. When you go to the extremes though,

you start to see these really big differences, and this isn't just physical. There's lots of these things. Like the most violent people in the world. If you took the 10 most violent people in the world, I would bet everything, they'd be all men. I would bet you everything, they'd be all men. But what ever happened to celebrating diversity?

Yeah, it's just like, that's just completely thrown in the trash. And now it's like all about how we're the same, you know, this homogenized culture, like we all have to be the same, think the same, do the same thing, have the same attributes, which is totally ridiculous. No, it's crazy.

At the end of the day, of course, everybody's an individual, that's what you should look at. But if you're going to make a category and the reason for the general category are these well-established, observed differences and you did it to allow women to, because for a long time, women sports didn't exist. Women were discouraged from competing

or doing that stuff they were made fun of. They created these categories so women had this, because there's so many benefits to competition, to sport. There's so many, both men and women, tremendous, especially boys and girls as they grow up. But now you're cutting that out, and you know, by the way, where's the trans men that are women winning sports in this?

They're not, they're not, they're not because it doesn't exist. They're advantage, they don't celebrate. They don't celebrate. I think most people agree with you and I think that this is another example of overcorrection on our part. And people are afraid to talk about it because it's a month. It's very sensitive. Well, yeah, but I know you're not, but I mean, there's, you know, in any conversation, it's like, they've done such a good job like in the media of, you know, immediately labeling you in opposition as a bad person, a bad person, race, evil, whatever it is, like you're gonna get a label if you don't agree.

I know, it's crazy. And people are getting kicked off social media for talking about it and whatever. It's pretty wild. Yeah. Pretty wild, that is even a debate. But anyway, I think the combat sports are what are going to wake people up because to see

Lea Thomas crushing people and swimming, you know, a lot of most people are like, oh, this is this is a little wild here. I don't know about this. You see them get in a boxing ring and you see some you know trans woman beaten a shit out of another chick pounding on her. They've already seen that. They have and that's what that and that causes a lot more stir, because that just doesn't look right. Speaking of that, you guys see the Eddie Hall and what's his face? You owe a Thor.

Yeah, yeah. So Thor, one, right? Yeah, by decision he won, he knocked, so I saw the two, I didn't see Eddie Hall's knocked out, but I believe Eddie Hall knocked him down one time, and then Thor knocked him down twice. How would they find out? He actually looked pretty good for the clips.

He's a decent technique. I didn't watch the thing so I can't say that. But you know sometimes when they do these fights, these amateur fights like this where they're like celebrities and they go box or sloppy. Yeah, it reminds me. Remember those, what was that old, that popular show for a little while where they like just random dudes would come and just tough man. Oh, tough man.

Yes, tough man. Yeah, memory it was just like, oh my. I love that. Yeah, it was. I mean, butterbeam actually went pro from that. Oh really? Yeah, remember butterbeam? I told you about my friend that just, he signed up for that.

It's just demolish. Oh no. I mean, he's just going there and throwing, hey man, there's no technique, but they actually, the guys look like they had a little bit of technique. I was in the clips that I saw. So I didn't see what.

How would you fight a guy as big as Thor? Like, that's a good question. Try not to eat the whole thing. And he always a big dude, but he's not, it isn't like not as tall as Stature is in there, but like he's thick. Yeah. He's got a lot of muscle mass.

Thor's too long. He landed some good shots. I mean, to his credit, like, he just, I think he gasped himself out because he was trying to throw a haymaker and was hitting air and then was just opening himself up. Well, was I rider? Was I ride on these fights, dude?

So far, I mean, this is like, you don't even hear nothing about regular fights anymore. It's like a celebrity fight has happened. The call brothers opened it up, man. It's old category. It is insane. You know, it sure is me out. Do you guys remember we had Robert Obersd on the show? All brothers opened it up, man. It's all category. It is insane. You know what, it's just me out. Do you guys remember when we had Robert Obers on the show?

I don't know if he said this on the show, but he said how strong men, there's like this group of like this category of women that chase strong men and they're really the small, they didn't have a name for them. Did he have a name for them? I forgot what they were called.

Like, life's tiny. I was just gonna say, oh, he throws, she's not just small because he's big, she's small, small. Like she's a petite. I feel like it's nature's way of balancing it out. Right, because he's so big. They're gonna have a normal, like,

they got to have a normal sense. That's, I wonder if there is a little bit of that. But I can't help but picture like, is this so big? How does that work, dude? Well, and when you're that, I mean, I mean, you see the Dalmatian in a little, a Yai-Bi dog chihuahua.

I wonder if he doesn't like being a little JP dog Chihuahua. I wonder if he doesn't like being that big. I think he likes it. You think so? I bet he doesn't like being that big. I mean, when he was young, I bet he was teased. Probably. That's true.

I mean, he's a little proud of self-conscious. I mean, I caught that a bit with the Obers when I was like, you know, we were doing a jockey video and I was teasing him a bit and I was like, oh no. Oh yeah. I think I'm hitting some old, like, you know, like, elementary school. Yeah. He was sneaking protein. So he didn't want to eat in front of me.

I think it's an interesting point that you bring up. You're probably right. There's probably a part of them that wants someone really small. So they have a kid that's a little more here and out of it. Adam, how tall are you? Like what? 6-3? So you're a tall guy. Yeah. You get into like a sports car.

It's kind of a pain in your ass. Yeah, okay. So people ask me, I would rather be six foot. Would you really? Yeah, I'd rather be shorter. Yeah. I'm not so, yeah. Yeah, it's like, my arms are like twice your size, but the ears look bigger because you're

three and you're short. That's my exact, that's my exact four is a ten measure. He's all compressed. Yeah, compress me down to six foot. I'd be a fucking monster, bro. A monster. Shut up. Six, three, I look like a lanky guy.

So, hey, so. He looks like he played basketball. But think about that for a second. Because these guys are massive. That must suck getting into a car, or sitting in a toilet, or just walking into it. It wasn't. Shaq has to sit in the back seat of his car, right?

They did it special, made. so they made like a seat. No way in the back, because legs have to, yeah. I mean, legs, you know, and growing up, and when they're growing up, there was a picture of, I've brought this up before, we'll have them edit the picture over here, just to freak everybody out. I think it was LeBron James' feet,

or way, they're all, it was totally smashed together. They don't look right, right? But you figure, you're growing up, you're a seven foot smashed together. They don't look right, right? But you figure you're growing up. You're a seven foot tall 15 year old or whatever. Yeah. Mom and dad ain't rich yet, because you haven't made it pro yet. They're buying you, we're going to find size 15 shoes. So I have a, sorry son, you're going to have to say this.

I have a nephew who's six, seven in size 15 shoes. And like so, and he's big in the sneakers. He likes playing basketball. It's so hard to find him shoes. You have the special order. Oh, it's so hard to find him shoes. and in size 15 shoes and like so, and he's big in the sneakers, he likes playing basketball. It's so hard to find him shoes. You have to special order him. It's so hard to find him shoes. And then of course, if you do find him,

they're like, I mean, he's into sneakers. So he likes cool, of course he likes cool sneakers. And it's like, there's no cool sneakers for size 15. Yeah. What's he wearing? Yeah, probably about clothes. Like, cause I, you know, I brought up before my roommate in college is like six, seven and he's huge.

Like he's another guy that's like really big and filled out. And he had the hardest time finding anything cool. He had to go shop at the big and tall store, which was all like these lame, you know, like, just solid white shirt. Yeah, solid colored, you know, dad out. Yeah, well, I don't know. Okay, so it's literally what I'm wearing right now.

At what? No, but this is from a big and tall, the white, the white shirt. Yeah, I mean, that's know. I'm okay. So literally what I'm wearing right now. No, but this is it from a big and tall the white Yeah, I mean that's what you kind of you eventually get your way over there. You're like fuck can't find anything really You shop the big and tall yeah because if I so clothes will fit me did you walk in your like is it just tall because I'm not that big So dumb you still think about that double size arms. Like, it's gonna be way out of all day. First you're gonna be doing curls. I'm the hot gas for sure. Not true, it's not true.

It's not true. It's not true. It's a pain measure. Get the pain measure out. Yeah, no, so yeah, I close, I can shop at normal stuff for Excel, but then if I, I can't, there's no room for shrink, right? Like if it's something that will shrink, the slightest bit, like if it's me perfect at an Excel

for most brands, but if I wash it and dry it, which you know what a pain in the ass, and I used to do this, I used to hang most of my clothes, like didn't dry anything. But if I wanted to wear it again, I'm like, I gotta hang dry. I mean, as you're like belly button, yeah, like, spray paint on a shirt.

Have you guys ever, you guys have traveled a year before? Have you ever tried to buy clothes over there? They're tiny. They're tiny. Well, there's brands like, like a extra large is like a large or maybe even smaller here over there. Just because how fat Americans are. I swear to God, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, there's a brand of centennial that I really like. I cannot think of the name of it right now for the life of me, but it's an English brand and I love the brand, the style of it. I know you do. But there's nothing but fit. Nothing. No. Like, the double XL, I feel like, is like a large one.

The worst, and you don't even have to be a big person. You just have to be a built, like if you work out, right? You work out, you build your quads, your glutes and your hamstrings. Forget pants. They're done. You can't wear normal pants because normal pants for men are designed for guys with no legs. And normal pants for women don't work either. You ever have, you train a female client and they freak out because they're butt grew and now they can't wear normal pants anymore. They're like, I don't want to lift weights anymore. It's because they're not designed for anybody with muscle.

More and more brands are coming out. And there's a few now. Yeah, there's quite a bit. I mean, I know Doug, you bought one of those shirts that one brand I sent you over to, right? You like it. Yeah, it's good. What is it?

State Liberty? Yeah. Shops at the small and stout. It's too thick. Yeah, I mean, this is how picking on people is more important. I know. You know what happened, is you dist him so he's just everybody Everybody I'm Dish in the disc everybody

Screw you guys man. Yeah, I have a study I want to bring up before you do what I think my head just Yeah, have you I saw somebody post this I wish I could give the person credit It's one of our friends I follow and I and I try to find this morning so I could give him credit, couldn't figure it out. But I do remember the study. It's called the Hope Study, it was done in the 50s, are you familiar with it? No, no, I don't.

It's with the drowning rats. Oh, I thought this was really fun. I don't remember the details. It's called the Hope Study. I didn't know this, I'd never seen this study before. And basically, it was a very cruel study, right? Like they would, they would, they would, they put these rats in a, like a glass jar to where they couldn't get out and they would eventually drown.

And they did it to a ton of them and all of them pretty much drowned between 13 and 15 minutes right in that range. So after they figured that out that they all drowned within the 13 and 15 runs, then they did a whole another group and then they would, they would save them right before the 13 minute mark and they'd save them out. And then they would save them right before the 13-minute mark and they'd save them out. And then they would put them back in a second time. How long do you think the rats lasted a second?

Oh, I do remember this. It was a huge difference. Bro, it's because they anticipated being saved. Days. They went for days. They went from, and that fascinating, they went for 13, and it's called the hope study, right? Just the fact that they went in anticipation that they were going to get rescued, they went for 13, and it's called the hope study, right? Just the fact that they were in anticipation

that they were gonna get rescued, they kept going. When there was no hope, when they got just thrown in this bucket of water and they were treading water, not thinking they're gonna get out, they died within 13 to 15 minutes, as soon as they found out, they gave a mindset, they were, yes, in that wild trip. You see that in the eye?

You ever read the accounts of POWs who were like, you know, they were captured by the enemy and they live for years and these terrible Camps the ones that survive So hope they write about the strategies and one of the strategies to break up your day into smaller bits Another one is to have a very strong spiritual practice. That's like common in all of them and I believe one day You're getting out and not and not just that but accept what's going on and believe that you're that there's a higher purpose for what you're getting out. Not just that, but except what's going on and believe that there's a higher purpose for what you're doing. And they survive. The ones that don't survive are the ones that are either

super negative or the ones that are like tomorrow. They give up. We're gonna get out tomorrow and then you don't and they get constantly get to sleep. Yeah, I just thought this was, you know, I would have, if I had a guess, I would guess, maybe you get an extra of 10 minutes at most, double their time, but they would go for days after.

And what they measured was that the rats were at just, what made them drown at 13 to 15 minutes was pure exhaustion. They were just exhausted. They didn't have anything, any gas left, and then give up and then, and then rather they not get exhausted after days. Because they thought someone would rescue them because these are the rats that got rescued

at the 13 minute mark. So they believe that there was a bad, I totally made one of those homemade traps and drown some rats on my property. Wait, what do you do? What do you do? You're gonna talk about animal cruelty right now, what are you fucking pedot or ass?

No, no, no, hold on. I'm just saying, dude, I'm like in the rap, what are you doing? They're vermin. Yeah, so how did you do it? What did you do? Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Hold on, hold on.

Before I take your side, what did you do, bro? Yeah, no, it was like, I got laser beams do, bro? Yeah, no, it was like, I got laser beams. He's boxed and I, no, it was a bucket. And I think that you put like a little bit of food, like I think you put like a stick over it with a little food in the middle. And so they climb in and they try to reach it

and they fall in the water and they can't get out. Oh, I've seen this in YouTube, you could build this. Yeah, exactly, it's very easy. So I've done the same with, so it's over a bowl of water, is that what it is? Bucket. Bucket? Yeah, like a five gallon bucket.

Because you can do the same with wasps. Like you can have like a little piece of meat on a stick and then you have like the water surrounding, but with the wasps, you put like some soap, like detergent in there and so it like, it's so thick and so then they can't get out, it's too heavy and they die. Nobody cares about the wasps, everybody's sad about the mouse though.

To whatever it is. Nobody wants them in their house. No. They call some guy to handle all their dirty work. So now it was just recent that the last house you were out, did you do this? It was the other house. It wasn't this one. Yeah, the last one word.

Yeah, we're good so far. We just have ghosts. Have you got ghosts in water pipes, babe? I don't know how to get rid of those. I can't drown them. No, it's an edible lover. Ghost dude. What happened?

Hey, suck. You guys ever see the patent? You ever look at weird patents that exist? No. There's such a dorky thing to do. It's actually weird. You guys ever look at patent? You guys ever go through like the most

of patents in Seattle? On a Saturday when you got nothing else to do sit there and you got thumb through right after I've done reading the psychopedia I do yeah yeah

I'm hella sexy so listen there's a patent for this is a real American like an American invented this it's a fucking pistol and it's a mouth trap so the mouse gets mouse trap. So the mouse gets the mouse, and the fucking gun shoots the mouse. You can look this up. Wow. Look, it's totally like over-engineered. This was a real like mouse trap patent somebody had

with a silly chest something in the gun. Oh, yeah, there's a blast. That is awesome. That's terrible. Come on. No, I so I've had like I've had to catch my some of my house and I had the old school traps right the one where the the metal bar comes out kills a mouse and whatever and this was this was a long time ago so this one I was married

to my ex-wife my ex-wife's like that's cruel no this is most in you you main way to do it I heard okay there it is quick as way to do it that's a. Okay. There it is. Quickest way to do it. That's a real panton, dude, for freaking master. It's a pat. Yeah, dude. It's a freaking gun. Hey, is it a, I dare you, you're going off of this idea. Under the kitchen scene, you're going to sleep. Boom. That's a, that's the most another one of the most American adventure I've ever seen in my life. Anyway, so no, this was years ago, right? So when I was married to my ex-wife and she was like, no, that's cruel. I don't want animal blood and the poor thing or whatever.

So I bought this humane mouse trap, right? That's supposed to capture the mouse or whatever. This is one of the sticky ones. Bro, the freaking thing. The electric key on. The thing was screaming in the whole night because freaking electric you the thing was screaming. Yeah, right? Yes, it was trap. Yes, it was screaming

I had to go get it glue trap is the most inhumane one I couldn't I couldn't get it off the trap That's why I said the the the old school one is the most humane way because that's happens And then you got to go there and smash it with a shovel or something Dude you gotta go kill yourself. I'm like what am I gonna be eating there? They're arm off, you know to escape Yeah, like I've yeah, you don't want to mess with no you don't do that. No, dude. Just get a cat Get a cat in your house. I tried that right away Everybody has ideas about me. Oh, you know like like it's all gonna work out There's gonna be rose petals and all of a sudden,

you need a murder sometimes, dude. Yeah, that's true. You know, like, let's just, but at least we call it kettle black, girl. Yeah, you're right. He's just, he did, though, at least. Well, I can, like, he's shaking. So I got something interesting for you kind of,

like, it's kind of a study, not really, but I read about the, I said, try and beat my study. No, that's a great study. In that good study, I thought it was an amazing study. Right that one down. So I read about this drugstudy there. I said try and beat my study. No, that's a great study. You know, good study. I thought that was an amazing study. Right that one down. So I read about this drug called Antibuse, spelled AntA-B-U-S-E, right?

And it's a drug that was invented for alcoholics. And so what it does is you take this drug and what it does is it stops the enzyme that breaks down the byproduct of alcohol consumption. So when you drink alcohol, your body produces acetaldehyde. Your body has an enzyme that breaks acetaldehyde down. It depletes glutathione on your liver. And if the acetaldehyde gets too high, you get a hangover, you feel like shit,

your heartbeat's fast. It inserts you bad. You throw up whatever. Thanks, Justin. But anyway, so what Antibus does is it stops this enzyme from breaking down acetaldehyde. How is that any different than a Z-biotic? No, no, no, no.

It stops the enzyme that breaks that, breaks that acetaldehyde. So people who take this drink alcohol and feel like shit right away. Oh, oh, got it. From the buildup of acetaldehyde. So it's like, take this, you won't want to drink alcohol because as soon as you do, you'll feel terrible or whatever.

Now, for some people that worked, I was reading about this. For other people not so much, because they would feel like shit keep going and then die. Didn't they do that with like cigarettes, where you could put something in a cigarette and it give you like an awful feeling, like you just stomach ache from it, then that was to help you quit smoking.

Oh, I don't know, that's negative feedback. Yeah. That's speaking of which, do you guys remember the old, they don't make these anymore because they're dangerous. Do you remember the old cigar or cigarette pink where you put it? It did it to my own phone. That exploding, thing in the middle.

My cousin got his ass whooped for that when we were kids. Wait, wait, you asked three of them. We stuck three of them. Oh, no. And that shit blew up in his face so bad. Oh, it was until my cousin got the bell. You got the firework, dude. You got the shit whipped out of him for that one.

Yeah, we were little kids. And I remember he used to give us data hard time. We'll take you. Because that he should've blew up. He got a quick smoking, a quick smoking, and then he came home one day. He's like, look at these things I got. He's like, I'm gonna put three in there.

And I was like, okay, that's so fun. And then he always saw those things. And he's from the other room. Yeah, it was a little like, like magic stores or whatever, you know, you buy like little things like that. Yeah. So anyway, so this drug makes acetaldehyde build up publicly and you get fucked up.

Anyway, yes, this is definitely a mention for zibotics because what zibotics does is it's a probiotic that's been engineered to break down acetaldehyde. So because the acetaldehyde is the reason. So they focus in on. Yes, because that's the reason why you feel shitty. When you get that hangover crappy feeling besides maybe being dehydrated, not getting good sleep, it's the fact that you built up so much acetaldehyde, you couldn't break it

down fast enough, you deplete your glutathione and you feel like dog shit. So zybotic, that's how it works. But I found it interesting how the way zybotic's work, there's a drug that does the opposite to make you feel worse. I'm drinking alcohol. How old is that? That's interesting. there's a drug that does the opposite to make you feel worse from drinking alcohol. How old is that? That's interesting. That's a good question, I don't know.

I wonder if that promoted them to, no, I think it's been around for, I think it's been around for over a decade, if I'm not right. Well that's what I mean. So Zibotic created their product from some of the stuff. I see, like I wonder at that point of them in the direction to do that. Oh, that's a good question.

I don't know, that's a good question. Well, so we've known for a long time that acetaldehyde is one of the main reasons why people will feel so terrible from drinking alcohol. Oh, 1949. Oh, wow, it's been around that long. Mm-hmm. Holy shit. So, I'm sure they that they had to send them in that direction. Well, I mean, when we talked to the founder, he said specifically, he wanted to target acetaldehyde because it was an easy thing to lower back theory set. Yeah, that's right.

That's why it works. That's why it works so well. You know, since you're doing ads, you just remind me of something I wanted to bring up. A Doug, can you pull up that clip that I sent over on text? So then the new like frontier for ads is our dreams. What do you mean? It's like marketing to us through our dreams.

Shut your face. Because it's like the most open, it's like some of the most open real estate still right now. Wait, how's that work? Okay, so, Coors Light dabbled in this a little bit. I get Justin's conspiracy face right now. Like, what are we talking about?

So, so Doug's gonna pull up the video. I would if I could. It's texted you. I did, but it's on my other computer and I don't have access to my text on this one And it's starting right Okay, it's right with your hand motions everything so you can email it to me and I can open it That's okay. It's at this point. It'll be a dead conversation. So it all explain it to you then

So it'll be we've been way cooler. I'm a concentrated. So what the it was only I want wanna say it was only like a 90 seconds long. And they asked these people to listen to this before they watched this, before they went to bed. It's like this little video and it's like, you know, mountains and waterfalls and it has, you know, your, your zen music playing in the background or what that. And every once in a while there's like a, you know, coolers like Can. That's in it or some liminal. Yeah, it's in it or some liminal. Yeah, it's very subliminal.

And then when you sleep, they just play that, the sounds. Oh, the music. Yeah. And then you place the beer in your dreams. So, and they, and like 40% or 30% of the people report it back that they dreamt about Kurs, Kurs like specifically all the time. So, and how are they gonna get you to do that?

Exactly, that's a big step to get the consumer willing to do this. Well, there's brands already, like, what are those, I mean like brain FM and some of these brands already that have got million comms, millions of people already using it, like, you don't think like some of these companies would pay them massive money to attack themselves to their sound.

I can get any pushback from that. I would imagine a lot of people being like, dude, you know, that's so manipulative. Bro, I got weird dreams. It's not gonna make any sense. You know what I mean? It's sexy turtle over there. Of course, like, yeah.

Oh, they're dead, pulled it up right now. Oh, yeah. That is so weird. Yeah, so what you can't do, you can't hear it right now, but right now it's playing like the, you know, ASMR kind of stuff. Thank you.

I was looking for the name, what you call it. See, and then every once in a while you see some of that come in, and then after that, you're done watching this before looking for the name, what you call it. See, and then every once in a while, you see some of that come in, and then after that, you're done watching this before you would have been, now you hear that music. And it brings that up.

Yes. Well, this reminds me a little bit of that upload show, but it was just like, that's like the real estate in the show was like, as they dream, they take that content and they capture it, and then sell it as entertainment for other people to watch. Dude, I mean, it sounds so out there right now,

like do not be surprised we move that way. You know where I could see it be used? I could see it be used on airplanes. When you're flying and you know when they turn lights out or everybody's going to sleep, they could easily do that. Because they could play it through the speed. That's so next level.

I mean, I feel like how much do they not tell us about subliminal messaging in movies, TV shows, whatever, like even price social media at this point? Like how much do they even really tell us about how much are using that? Bro, this was that text I sent you guys like the other night where I was talking, I was thinking about this with how the data and the tech that the tech companies is collecting on us and how effective they are at manipulating people and it hasn't even gotten started yet They're so effective that they can get you to think and look a particular way

Without you even realizing it and that's now and ten years can be even crazier with the data They're gonna collect on us and so my my whole thought was holy shit man whoever controls tech in the future is gonna control policy Okay, so 100% the actual tinfoil hat stuff for me control policy. 100% of the actual tinfoil hat stuff. For me, like, something that I trip on all the time, and this is totally like, you know, out there, but I'm like, dude, you know how hypnotists, when they speak in front of a crowd, there's probably like, I don't know what the percentage is, but there's a certain percentage that are susceptible to it versus the others in aren't, right?

And I feel like it's almost on a massive scale. If you use, if you have technological abilities to pump like all of this subliminal messaging and all this stuff to people constantly, like let's just say yeah, they're figuring out your trends and like what you like, what you don't like, but also maybe there's other stuff layer in there that are really messing with people psychologically. And it's almost like a portion of the population now are hypnotized versus the rest, like half of us are hypnotized, right? Yes, no.

That helps me make sense of it. Did I ever so stupid? Did I ever, I think I brought this up a long time ago. There was a show that they actually had to stop filming and then they did a show about the show. It was like a documentary about the show where there were testing whether or not a hypnotist could convince someone to carry out a murder

like a man cheering on candidate, okay? And so what he did, and this is why they stopped it. What a fucked up experiment, like. Dude, well people signed up for it. So, of course. they took a bunch of people and what the hypnotist said is the hypnotist said, you can't do this to everybody, but some people are susceptible.

So he interviewed a bunch of people, picked the people that were susceptible and then what they did is they took the, and you didn't know this as you're watching this, they took the guy that was most susceptible and told him he didn't qualify. So now he thinks he's not in the study anymore, but he was. And what they did through hypnosis is they got him to act react in ways once he once

he got a phone call and heard a particular phrase or something like that. So what they did is they placed the fake gun in a garbage can outside of a building. Yeah, I heard about this. The guy was there, he got the phone call, picked up the gun out of the garbage and shot. It was fake, right? But shot this person that they were all the way with it. Went all the way through it, went home, forgot about the whole thing. They brought him back in, and this is why they, this is why they had to stop it.

They brought, because the guy was so freaked out, because he didn't know he did this. They brought him in, they said, hey, this experiment's over. You're the one that we, we chose, and he goes, what do you mean? What do you mean? They showed him the video, and, this experiment's over. You're the one that we chose and he goes, what do you mean, what are you talking about? They showed him the video and the guy fucking lost it. Oh my God. Did he try to expose the whole experiment? He was like, he's trying to sue them and this is crazy.

This is insane. I didn't do that. I don't know what happened. And he saw the video of himself picking the gun up out of the garbage and shooting. That's crazy. So wild, right? So wild, so there you go, Justin.

There you go, he's back. Just scared to shit. It's a real possibility. Secured that tinfoil hat real good. Yeah. I'll tell you the days, it's sitting pretty. Maybe we're the ones that are hitting the top. Hey, speaking of scary, one of the last time you guys

eat meat sticks and beef jerky from the gas station. That was a joke. You have to do. You always arrest. We out of our paleo. Well, I was at the gas station, I was with my daughter and she's like, hey, you know, Pobok, can I have, I used to love that one as a kid by the way.

I know, she's like, Well, it's usually the best choice out of like, Funnians and Candy as crap. But especially with my daughter, she's asking for something with protein, I'm gonna frickin' scurry, right? And get it. So I go in there and the best thing that had

was long ass like Slim Jim ones or whatever. What a big scurry or. Yeah, so like, I had some with their, oh gross. Terrible. Taste like, like I now I'm used to the Paleo Valley ones, right? So now when I eat those, you could taste that it's like plastic, that it's not real

compared to the Paleo Valley. Well, I don't know what Paleo Valley does, but it's still like, it's almost like it's juicy. I hate to use that term, but it's almost like you buy it into it, it feels fresh versus like super dry it out and it's been like has a shelf life of like infinity. It doesn't have a waxy feeling to it. That's the waxy feeling.

I had one not that long. It was well as a while ago now, but it wasn't that long after we started with Paleo. And so the contrast, I could totally tell the difference. Totally. Up to that point, I probably wouldn't have known. I just hadn't had something like that in a long time. And I remember biting it and it almost feeling like I had to bite and then tear it off because

it had this kind of like waxy connection or coat over it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And my daughter is really picky and she loves the meat sticks from Paleo Valley. Love my kids. It does. So I'm like, this is it.

I'm just sorry, honey. I wonder if they'll ever move to the actual meat, because normally if I get beef jerky now, it's like the gas station, if I have to do that, I don't have my paleo. You get the dry one and the trunk. So yeah, yeah. Do you guys remember the beef jerky?

Did they even make this anymore? It was like shredded. Do you remember that? It looked like it was chewing tobacco looking almost, but it was beefed. Did they market it like that? I think it's alternative. I think I remember that,

because there was that and obviously the big league chew and like the gum version of it. But you guys were like shredded and you like pull it out, owns big league chew. I don't know, but talk about the most inappropriate marketing that we were exposed to. It still exists.

I know, but they don't connect it to the back of the book. Gum cigarettes, gum cig cigars gum chewing tobacco It's like bro like what are we doing? I was a kid you could always catch me outside playing with my cousins With a fake gun with caps in it and fake cigarettes Well, we were doing lines of like sugar powder You guys weren't yeah, that's next level right? I'm just saying like they were Yeah, that's next level You guys never key-stored titsy roll.

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So go check them out. Head over to MindPumpPartners.com. Click on Allie Pop, use the code MindPump for a discount. All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from A Rezenko, is power building just powerlifting with the side effect being that of gaining mass and size? Power building, you know, that's a phrase

that refers to a style of body building where your form isn't as good. I mean, basically that's what it is. It's how you would say it. Really, it's about what gets wondered with the stuff. Oh, I would, so there's actually a tread lightly here. I believe there's like a protocol on like what that looks like. Yeah, but the way people mostly use it, I mean, look,

we've argued forever that it's a good idea to cycle in hypertrophy style bodybuilding training with maybe strength-based powerlifting style training. Yeah, in other words, if you run maps in a ball and then maps aesthetic, your power building. Yes, yes. Now, the way it's been, I guess, I don't know, the way that's being used in marketed areas.

Yeah, is that it's basically like, oh yeah, heavy cheat curls and heavy push presses with not good form. And it's basically like, well, technique doesn't matter as much as the weight that you lift, and that's wrong. I think form is always very important even when you're training for strength. In fact, some of the best form you'll ever see

is from power lifters. If you watch real power lifter strain, their form and technique is impeccable because they understand that leverage makes a big difference when you lift a lot of weight. Okay, because I thought it was just like power lifting protocol and then they're also adding hypertrophy as like it was like a combo of both. Yes, it is. It would, it's supposed to be.

Okay. I mean, really what it is is that, or this is my opinion on this, right? And I believe that what's your guy you talked to at time? Michael Hurn? Yes, Michael Hurn is what was like the one who's made it really popular. This is my opinion on this, right? And I believe that what's your guy you talked to? A time ago, her? Yes, Michael Herne was like the one who's made it really popular. Have you watched his form though? Yeah, no, he's got great form. Excellent, yeah, he's got great form.

And I think it was intended that way. So to your, because I know you're gonna get a bunch of people that are gonna jump all over you for saying that, because I don't think it was intended to be cheap form. I think it was intended to introduce a lot of bodybuilders to the benefits of powerlifting for your physique, which was something I used to talk about all the time on the show. When I was competing, I would go back and I would go in the gym and I'd see all my peers. So I worked out in a gym here in San Jose, that's one of the most popular gyms for competitors.

So at all times, there was at least 10 to 15, you know, men's physique, bodybuilder, and women's bikini athletes in the gym at all times. And so I get a chance to see what everyone's like, routine look like. And it blew me away. How many of them neglected like the big lifts and ever trained five reps or singles or doubles or triples? I felt like I was the only men's physique guy

that was doing things like that. And so I think that's where power building comes from is taking people that train specifically for like hypertrophy all the time and introducing them to the benefits of low reps, which is something that we've been advocating since the beginning of the show. Totally. 100%. Although you started to see it make a comeback now. I know the physique, that physics, excuse me, classic bodybuilder champion, Chris Bumstead, am I saying his last name right?

Yeah. He is a big proponent of heavy squats, heavy dead lifts, his physique shows it. There's tremendous benefit. Now, as you get older, I think the risk versus reward ratio with heavy training starts to change a little bit. You gotta be a little smarter with your training. I don't think it's a good idea to constantly train for strength, especially once you hit a certain point, but especially in the first few years of your training, tremendous value from it, tremendous value. Now, do I, you know, if I go back to what I said earlier about as you get older, if your form is perfect, I think you're perfectly fine. The problem is, is it's hard to have perfect form always, especially

when you're training for strength, because the ego tends to creep in, and that happens to me all the time. Well, you're flirting with your max lift, right? When you're doing things that are for singles, doubles, triples, anything under five, like you're flirting with your max. So, of course, you're going to have more than likely going to have some breakdown in form if you're pushing the weight like that. So that is the one challenge with it. But, you're going to have more than likely going to have some breakdown in form if you're pushing the weight like that. So that is the one challenge with it. But you know, this is just a classic example of like how we market, you know, it's literally,

you know, teaching you, and again, every one of our programs is phased this way. It's phased to take you through. Almost all of them have a space. Wasn't that the difference those that we're introducing phases where we're kind of set the foot instead, yeah, merging that at all together, which is what I see a lot in these ideas is like, let's pull from powerlifting, let's pull from bodybuilding, but let's smash them together.

And so if you want those benefits, my recommendation would be literally run out and abolic, then run maps aesthetic. If you want the benefits of power building, right? Of training very strength specific and then draining more hypertrophy body building ask, there you go. There's the six months of training right there.

And by the way, the reason why we are advocates of phasing rather than mixing it all together is not necessarily because you get better results physically. I think the studies will show that there's not really a big difference. It's the psychological component. There's a mental change in switch that happens when you train for strength versus hypertrophy. And I think it's smarter to stay in a mental space for three or four weeks and then move to a different one because I find it hard for myself even to switch so quickly between Mondays workout and Wednesday workout. One is strength, one is hypertrophy, then the next one is,

it's hard for me to switch because I have to change the, because one of them I'm focused on the pump and then I fall in love with the pump. The other one I'm focused on the numbers and it's all about the strength. And going back and forth, it's like I lose something when I don't just focus on what's happening. Well, it's also hard to tease out

what's working more for you. True. Is it the hypertrophy training that I'm doing within my workout or is it my strength building that is doing more work for me? Because you gotta understand there's an individual variance with everybody.

There's some people right now and we'll use Justin and I because we live so different. Certain way of training is gonna benefit me more than Justin and vice versa because of the way you tend to train already. So everybody is like that. Everybody has a tendency that they tend to train like. And so which one, if I'm training like a power lift

or I'm training like a bodybuilder, which one is benefiting me personally the most, you throw it all in one phase. It's like elimination diet, you do one and then see how you, yes. Yes, and then writing a phase like that where I'm specifically focused on strength and then specifically focused on hypertrophy

Allows me to tease out and go, oh wow that my body really responded to that one Maybe not so much. So guess what I do the next time next time I come around I might extend that phase or I might run two to one ratio. I'll do two more powerlifting phases to only one I purge your phase because I'm getting so much more bang for my buck for power Like you can't measure that if you throw it all in and I do want to say something to we call it strength is to only one hypertrophy phase because I'm getting so much more bang for my butt for power. Like you can't measure that if you throw it all in the same way. And I do want to say something too. We call it strength, we call it hypertrophy, but the truth is they both give you strength

and hypertrophy. Okay, just one is a little more of one and one is a little more than the other. So, and I want to make sure I'm clear with that because someone listening may think, oh, I just want strength, I just want hypertrophy, You'll get both, more of both, if you train both in the right ratio for your body. Next question is from Franco in Fonte. Can an athlete train like a body builder and excel in their sport?

Okay, so yes, soccer is the sport. Yeah. Yes, if you're comparing an athlete who does zero resistance training to one who does some bodybuilding resistance training. So long as it's appropriate, they will do better because of the increased strength in some muscle. That being said, it's not the ideal way

to train for an athlete. Bodybuilding, in fact, in the past, when athletes started to add resistance training into the workouts, football was really the first sport, I would say, where athletes started to really flirt with and then started really incorporate resistance training. You saw disastrous results. You did, but it originally was all bodybuilding because that's who they had to pull from.

Oh yeah, that's because that was the example of who was in the gym hitting it hard. Yeah, so what they did in the 70s and 80s is they would do bodybuilding. They do literally body sculpting and curls and that kind of stuff. And some of them did real well. They got bigger, they got stronger. But then when they started to figure out resistance training as applied appropriately for sports performance is different,

then you saw them really go to the next level. So if you compare it to nothing, yes, it's better, but compared to what you could do, it's not ideal at all. Bodybuilding training is not the ideal way to train for most sports. I kind of wrestle with this one because I do find value in hypertrophy training and I find, especially for an interruption, but in terms of the majority of the focus and the priority, training the body to respond and produce as much force as possible and also, you know, be considered the entire body as a whole in the movement more is way more transferable towards sports

and being able to generate power. So segmenting it into single joint movements. A lot of times what happens with that is it just sort of mixes the signal from the body of organizing everything at once. Totally. Which is definitely not ideal for a soccer player. No. There's not a lot of benefits at all that a soccer player is going to get from even, I mean, two years apple. Yeah, if we took two people, one person does no soccer training, no lifting, no nothing, and then the second guy does bodybuilding training

with his playing soccer, so maybe he has a little bit more benefit. You mean, well, if both of them played soccer, but one of them added some bodybuilding appropriately, they would do better. Right. Yeah, but it take that exact same example, and let's say it, let's say a third person, a third person, instead of

bodybuilding, just played more soccer, they would be a better soccer player than the person who's bodybuilding. If that's the trade, now let's say that that was a straight up trade. So let's say I have three days a week, I'm a soccer player. I here, so I practice soccer most of the week and I play games once a week. And then I also wanna look good so I bodybuild three times a week. But I'm concerned, I ask a question like this, I really care about being good at basketball.

I'm excuse me, being good at soccer. If I replace those three days of bodybuilding with skills training for soccer, I will be a better soccer player than the guy who gets buffed. Yeah, so I'm talking about if all things are equal, both of them same amount of soccer, one of them adds some appropriate bodybuilding. Those do a little better because of the problem is,

it's not all equal because that person is doing three more hours of bodybuilding than the other person. So what's that? I mean, all things being equal, but they add the bodybuilding. Yes, totally. Yeah what's that? I mean, all things being equal, but they add the bodybuilding. Yes, totally. Yeah, yeah. But that's the only scenario that makes it.

Now if you add appropriate strength training for soccer, then, and it's done the right way, that's when you get the best, right? But it's not a lot, by the way, it's not a lot. Like, I think people think that they'll do their sport and that they'll spend an equal time in the gym. No, it's not that way. If you want to be really good at sport, it's like 90% of the time you spend should be your sport.

Then you throw in 10% of strength training if you want to be good at your sport. Well, anytime you're trying to build, especially with muscle and build like size and mass to your frame, it's crucial that you include skills, sessions in between. So you maintain the functionality and the size changing. As your size has changed, otherwise, it's going to throw off all your mechanics and you're going to realize that you're going to have

to relearn a lot of these movement patterns with this new body frame. Yeah, I do think that, because I imagine what sparks a conversation like this is a high school or a collegiate level soccer player who also wants to look good, right? I mean, that's where this conversation comes from, right? Is that, hey, I play soccer, but I also take my shirt off. And I like the opposite sex or the same sex, whatever.

I like to attract other people. So I want to look good. So you could do that by following something like a map's performance once or twice a week to where you're doing strength training movements that will translate to the soccer field better. And then we'll also build some muscle and make your body look good.

So I mean, I think that's the answer this person is looking for is like, hey, how do I make myself look better but not to the sacrifice my sport. But when you're wanting to be good at your sport, the vast majority of the time that you spend should be in the sport and the skills surrounding the sport. It should not be in the gym. And I got, I wasn't straight with this myself.

And this is a lack of strength. Yes, yeah, right. Exactly. Which just means like the emphasis, and this is usually a young athlete, right? The skin started. So I just want to throw that out there. Like, I would emphasize just means like the emphasis, and this is usually a young athlete, right? The skin started. So I just want to throw that out there. Like I would emphasize heavy on the foundational strength

before. Good point. Coming back into the skill, but yeah, at a certain point like a seasoned athlete, really it's like maintenance for the most part with weight training. And also the sport changes, right? If you're playing football, size and strength makes a big difference. There's no weight classes and you're hitting each other.

You're going to want to add some mass. Soccer, you know, you want to be more explosive, you want to protect your joints, but being heavier, just for the sake of being heavier, you don't want to be lighter if you do exactly. Next question is from Lift With Shodge. Should someone in their late 20s do TRT if their test levels are under 450? All right. We're the wrong people to ask. I know, yes.

We're not doctors. Yeah, we're not doctors. But look, I'll tell you what I've learned from the people at mphormones.com. So there's a criteria that they go through to determine whether or not TRT is right for someone. And it's a combination of total and free testosterone. So total testosterone is the total number free is the amount that is actually usable in combination with symptoms.

So this is where it gets really important and very interesting. Somebody could have a total testosterone of 450, but feel great. Feel great, have no symptoms of low testosterone, great energy, great drive, great libido. Someone else could have testosterone levels that are 550, but have all these symptoms of low testosterone in comparison to maybe how they felt before. You have to consider all of this when it comes

to testosterone therapy. And it's not because, just because of the numbers, but rather how those numbers affect your body, your angiogen receptor density, there was a study that was done on male athletes, and they were seeing, they had them lift weights, and they wanted, and they looked at their total testosterone levels and the free testosterone. And they said, okay, there's higher levels of free testosterone mean that you build more muscle. And there was a small effect, it was almost negligible. The big effect came from the

Androgen Receptor density. That was where they saw the big difference. It was how many Androgen Receptors they had. That made the biggest difference. So it's way more complex than just your number. So 450 is in range. It's on the lower end of the range. But if your symptoms are,

if you don't have any symptoms and you feel good, then you're gonna be okay. How much have you explored all the natural ways to boost and raise testosterone? Right. You've talked about in a few episodes, specifically in ways to approach out in your diet and training. Sleep, yeah. Sun exposure, you know, just lots of other like lowering your stress in your life. Yeah, it's a sudden exposure, you know, just lots of other like lowering your stress in your life Like there's lots of other factors that I think you should check all the boxes before considering well

I get questions like this all the time and I'm so I mean it's a great opportunity to to talk about the free forum because I'm not the right person to ask this question. Well one it's it's your body and you know how you feel better than anybody else I don't know what what symptoms you may or may not have. And then I'm on a doctor. So that's why we partnered with Dr. Todd and with Dr. Rand. So you guys have access to them. I mean, I don't know anybody else that's done something like this in the fitness space that has worked out a deal with a company like this that is actually every single month,

two times a month, two times a month, they're on there for an entire hour plus answering live questions, plus they're on there every single day answering people that write in there. So if you have questions around this and you're concerned or you're not sure, those are the people that ask. And you guys have access to it for free. So if you have a Facebook account, it's amazing resource. Yeah, it's an incredible resource.

Yeah, but I do want to hammer the combination of things that I said, because for a long time testosterone was demonized because it was a schedule one drug, right? It can be a performance enhancing. Well, yeah, a general practitioner would not even just 10 years ago. Even if you had low, some terrible symptoms. Yeah, if he was 450, wouldn't he even give him an opportunity? No, as long as you're above 300, right? They would say, no, you're totally fine. We're not going to give you any testosterone, but that's not always the case. So it's important to look at all that stuff. And that's because

it's not an exact, you know, number, it's how your body responds, how you feel, how you react. And some men feel better with higher testosterone, some men feel better with testosterone. It's a little lower, believe it or not. So these are all the things you want to look at, or at least these are the things that the doctors are going to look at when they're assessing you. Next question is from Garrett Brayden. What are the science pros and cons of doing no fat? Not jerking off? Not jerking off. I sure did. Who do you think did? No, you know what? You know why? Okay, so you know it's interesting. So this weekend I heard a conversation was actually, I went to this

thing, they were talking about the effects of pornography on men and on brains of young men, right? So, and there's lots of substances that do this. You expose your brain to a particular substance, let's say caffeine, your brain down regulates receptors. This is why you have to keep using more caffeine to get the same effect. And the reason why your brain does this is actually protecting itself.

Hence why all these weird categories exist in Porto. Well, absolutely, absolutely correct. Neem, novelty. Starts off as a missionary sex you're watching and before you know it's how the weird donkey shoots. Yeah, sorry. No, and that's 100% true. And so what they talked about,

and the access of pornography is so available now, it's so different than it was when we were growing up. It's crazy. That we don't have, we're just now starting to see the effects. Did you guys know this? So here's what I heard from this talk that I watched. 20% of a rectal dysfunction patients are in their 20s.

Yeah. 20%. Way too high. That was 0% a few decades ago. Many of their 20s didn't have issues with the rectum function. And that's because of the exposure to pornography, the brain has modeled itself. It's actually modeled itself after this crazy novelty to where real life is no longer stimulating, is no longer producing the same effect. Do you not think this is very similar to sugar and kids?

I think, totally, you can compare it all of that stuff, right? So it can be very damaging. Here's the other thing that I learned. So they've, and this is old wisdom. So I don't know about any studies that connect this, but old wisdom, old male wisdom, or whatever masculine wisdom says that sexual energy is very closely

related to drive and creativity and innovation. So when you're a young man, you have all this access to pornography, you're constantly impulsively watching it and whatever, you're actually sapping your potential ambitious drive in your innovation because you're just doing that rather than keeping it within you channeling it towards. Now if that was true, so wouldn't that prove then the whole theory of not jerking off before you have game day on Friday or Saturday? And I thought that's been disproven already. Well, again, I think that it's a psychological part of that, right? Because yeah, they try to disprove that in terms of it lowering your performance

and testosterone drive, which wasn't the case, right? No, but psychologically, there's... Sakes, yes, there's no answer for sure. You're keeping it in, there's a... Yeah, but it's not just that. And I've done this many times, where I'll look at cross-culture and cross-practices, and you find similarities.

When you find, for example, when you find one culture in the east that's thousands of years old, say something, another one that's in the west that's thousands of years old that says something, and another one that's in the Mediterranean, and you look at all these different cultures, and you look at all these different cultures and you start to see kind of these commonalities, there's usually wisdom or truth there. And we can't often explain it because we don't necessarily know where to look.

Eventually we end up figuring it out, but we don't know where to look. For example, the practice of fasting exists in every major religion. It's been practiced for thousands of years all over the world with cultures that didn't have contact with each other, and the benefits are spiritual, right? Detachment, attachment from food or whatever. Okay, so when we're talking about

abstinence before physical event, before war, before fighting, you find that all over cultures. So there's got to be some wisdom there. Here's another thing. Men controlling their impulses around sexual action. This is present in almost every spiritual practice that you'll find, almost. There's some that are the opposite. But almost all spiritual practices talk about this. There's gotta be some wisdom there. You know, what about pre-game in it

before a big date? You know what I mean? That's another smart strategy. Right? Clear mind. Yeah, yeah. You know, because to be attentive. Think about how easy to manipulate a guy who's just,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, or how bad we listen when we're like that. Exactly. Yeah, so there's moments I feel like, I don't know. It might be advantageous to get some of them. Well, here's some more evidence, kind of point to what I'm saying. No fat or no November or whatever.

Did not exist in your kids. I was, okay, all of a sudden, people online created it themselves. Listen, one of the for sure pros is just being able to discipline yourself. I mean, there's the leg gravification? That's right. There's plenty of value in that itself.

Just something that you potentially are addicted to. Okay. If you are potentially addicted to something to have that self control to not do it for a extended period of time, there's tremendous value in that because that carries over into many other aspects of your life other than jerking off.

Sure. So I'm sure this started for whatever reasons, like you're bringing up the whole porn thing, like, okay, we can go down that rabbit hole, but I mean, just simply abstaining from something that you really want to do is got great value. So I think there's just powerful addiction that some people have.

And I mean, you're con? I don't see a con in that. I think that's something, I mean, I're con? I don't see a con in that. I think that's something. I mean, I try to practice this in all kinds of aspects of my life. There's anything I ever catch myself doing habitually that is not like technically healthy, sure me all the time. I mean, that's impulsive.

Yeah, exactly. We're impulsive, right? I'm gonna try and haul that in a little bit and restrain. I mean, we talked about the just the other day about even like financially, like buying things, right? Like I can be very impulsive, I want something. So one of my ways of disciplining myself is saying, hey, I'm gonna put it in the shopping cart,

but I'm not gonna do it right now. Let's see what happens. I think there's tremendous value in that. Can you really control yourself or do things control you? Right, anything that's, we can always constantly assess that. Like is this taking over parts of my life? Master of your domain. That's a sign film.

That's a whole episode on that, wasn't it? Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's the process food of sex. It really is. It's like, yes, you could, and you know it's funny. There's people in the fitness space who are so pro eating healthy and being disciplined with exercise. And then when it comes to this, they're like, way in the opposite of the spectrum.

And I didn't jive with me. None of that makes sense because you see the value in discipline, you see the value in choosing foods that are healthier, they're not heavily processed, you're not just gonna go eat something just because you're being impulsive about it. You're not being lazy just because that's what you crave. You actually structure your days

so you can get fitness and all stuff. This is similar. It really is very, very similar. It's just not exercising diet, but it's a different kind of impulsive action or whatever that can, I think, bring you down a bad road. So I think this is great. And it's funny to me that dudes online invented this shit.

Nobody told them to do this. It was just a bunch of dudes are like, man, I need to take a break. Man, I'm really getting agitated. By wrist hurts. Oh, that's a sc. Man, I'm really getting agitated. My wrist hurts. I'm barely any skin left. That's funny. Look, if you like our information, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides.

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