Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1784: The Best Deadlift Variations, How to Maintain Athletic Performance Over 40, Training Around Overdeveloped Body Parts & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, alright? In today's episode, we had live callers call in, ask us questions about their fitness and nutrition and health and we got to coach them. Live on air. If you ever wanna be on one of these episodes,

Starting point is 00:00:28 email your question to live at minepumpmedia.com. Now we open the episode with a 42 minute intro today. So that's where we talked about current events. We brought up some of our sponsors and we talked about some studies. So here's what went down on today's show. We opened up by talking about adding calories to lose weight. It's a great strategy. Find out why when you listen to the intro. Then we talked

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Starting point is 00:02:20 The first one was Angelina from California. She wanted to know what type of deadlift was best for her body. The next question was Cassie from England. Wanted to know how to modify her workouts, so her arms don't continue to grow. Then we talked to Michael from Canada. He's over 40, wants to continue to improve his athletic performance. Then finally, we talked to Gary from Illinois, 71-year-old man.

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Starting point is 00:03:49 Because it took me a little while to figure this out. What's funny too is the three of us trained on our own, trained lots of clients, we all came to the same conclusion. You would get a client, most people want to lose weight. So you get a client, they want to lose a lot of weight, and you have two options. One, get them to lose some weight now, hit a hard plateau because the metabolism adapts,

Starting point is 00:04:08 okrapp, we're in this really kind of bad position, or create some runway, give them some space where we can cut from in the near future. And part of that process is slowly increasing calories, simultaneously also employing some strength training, because if you start to build muscle, or at the very least if you tell the body to build muscle, and it moves in trends in that direction, the metabolism adapts in a way that's beneficial. It speeds up, and it's way easier to lose weight

Starting point is 00:04:38 when you have a faster metabolism than it is when you have a slower metabolism. Well, you first have to, you have to break down for the audience. What signal are you sending to the body when you, when you decide to take calories, restrict calories from it and all of a sudden, increase activity.

Starting point is 00:04:54 And a lot of times that's cardio and weight training, all at once because you weren't doing anything before, you are now motivated whether it be from the doctor or a wedding coming up or a birthday or a New Year's resolution and now you've decided I'm going to make a change a new way of life and I know that I'm supposed to stop eating these bad foods so you restrict and then you all sudden say I'm going to get after it. So you got to explain why that is such a bad strategy. Well, this is what makes weight loss so hard is that your metabolism adapts.

Starting point is 00:05:26 And the signals that it receives tells your body in which direction the metabolism should adapt. So, if you're eating, let's say you're eating 2,000 calories a day and you cut it all the way down to 1200 plus you start to do lots of cardio where you're burning lots of calories, initially there's a calorie deficit. You're eating 1200, your body's burning more calories than it was before, you can lose some weight. But then what the body does is it adapts, it's metabolism.

Starting point is 00:05:52 So that that 1200 calories you're taking in is enough to sustain you. And by the way, okay, this may sound crazy, except for almost everybody watching this as experiences. You lose that initial 10 pounds, you hit a hard plateau, and then you're in this position where you're like, do I cut even more calories? Do I work out even more?

Starting point is 00:06:11 Like I'm already eating not that much, but let's just say you're one of those really crazy motivated individuals, and you're like, I'm gonna cut even more. I'm gonna work out even more. Eventually you're in this position where maybe you do hit your goal, but you're eating very low calories,

Starting point is 00:06:24 you're working out every single day, very hard to sustain. Now on the flip side, what we can do is we can tell the metabolism to adapt in the opposite direction by building some muscle and in order to build muscle, you have to fuel the body a little bit. So you feed the body, you build some muscle and you give yourself runway. So now, after maybe a few months, let's say I get my metabolism up to 2800 calories a day. Well, now I can cut from there. I have way more room to go. And then where I end up is I'm eating, and this, I used to do this all the time. Clients would lose 20 or 30 pounds and actually end up eating more

Starting point is 00:06:59 at the end of that weight loss journey when they do when they walked into it. Now we have sustainability. Otherwise, it's so hard. This is the whole delayed versus immediate gratification and strategy. And it's all psychological and it's, you know, really important for coaches to graduate to the place where they can recommend the right path for their clients instead of just providing them with what they're coming in and expecting.

Starting point is 00:07:23 And, you know, prescribing something that's really going to have long-term success. And this is the way to do it and to get the body healthier, to stretch the capacity for them to eat in a really comfortable, if not more than comfortable place. So then we can start scaling it down to cut and define the physique a bit more from that time. to cut and define the physique a bit more from that. I think this is a really challenging conversation for young coaches and trainers when you first get started. First of all, I think the first part of my career, I didn't even piece this together or

Starting point is 00:07:57 fully grasp. I did the wrong thing. Yeah. I mean, I come from the camp of like, a lot of the dynamics is all that matters and that, you know, if they're're if they're eating X we need to subtract something out of that and that's the best strategy to get them to live with. That's because we don't consider that

Starting point is 00:08:10 the your metabolism adapts, right? Because that would make sense if it didn't adapt. But it does and then you're screwed where you at. Yeah. And so I think that when you're when you're piecing this together and then you add in the fact that what a hard conversation that is to the client who comes in,

Starting point is 00:08:28 they set across from the desk and they tell you, I need to lose 50 or 100 pounds, and imagine being that young trainer and you are trying to communicate to them that, okay, well, the first thing that we're gonna do is we're going to add food to your diet. You know, just how hard that is for them to receive that, and then how hard that is as a coach

Starting point is 00:08:46 to like navigate through that conversation on explaining why we wanna do this in long run. But I tell you, when I finally piece this all together, I made a world of difference on helping my clients that needed to lose weight for long term, right? Like I can take anybody and starve them or restrict dramatic amount of calories and tell them to burn, burn, burn, move, move, move to get them to lose 10, 15, 20 pounds or whatever, but the sustainability of that is crazy. Like because of the point you

Starting point is 00:09:14 made, like if someone's already at pretty low calories and not moving very much and I take them and I start moving them like crazy and restricting even if they do see the initial results. Eventually they're going to hit a hard wall and then you look at yourself and you're like, I'm not even halfway to my goal of losing 100 pounds or whatever I want to and I'm only eating this much. I'm training this many days a week. I'm exhausted.

Starting point is 00:09:39 I think I was happier. Fatter. Look at the studies on the biggest loser. The biggest loser of the TV show where they take these really obese individuals who are super motivated, obviously they're on a TV show. They beat the crap out of them. They restrict their calories and the goal is to see who can lose the most weight and then the biggest loser wins the competition. The follow up with these people is insane. You're talking about individuals who after the show gained weight on anything over 1100 or 1200 calories a day and many of them were trying to keep up these crazy workout routines were

Starting point is 00:10:11 churches not sustainable. I mean look here's the truth. If we took 100 regular people off the streets and I asked them, raise your hand if you've ever lost 15 pounds. I bet you 90 plus of them would raise your hand. Now if I said how many of you lost 20 pounds, I bet you 90 plus of them would raise your hand. Now, if I said how many of you lost 20 pounds and kept it off for over five years, you'd see one, right? That's the challenge. The challenge isn't losing the weight, the challenge is how do I set myself up

Starting point is 00:10:35 so that the weight stays off? You don't set yourself up. Well, if you're hammering your metabolism to slow down an adapt, now it's really challenging. Well, what do you think is the biggest deterrent for people to stick with their diet initially? They think it's so rigid, right? Like, oh, it's so restrictive.

Starting point is 00:10:50 Like, I can't wait until I get there and then all this magical, you know, I'm gonna get to that place where I feel good about my body, my weight and all this. Then I can get back to eating, you know, those foods again, when in fact, it's even more rigid once you get there if you apply that principle of losing weight because now any calorie that goes above,

Starting point is 00:11:11 like you said, that 1100 mark or wherever you're at, I mean, your body's gonna respond. Yeah, here's what I, this is, here's the strategy and you bring this up out on how challenging a conversation is as a trainer. Someone's willing to pay me $ thousand dollars or two thousand dollars to train them for a month or two months or three months or whatever and they're like, you know, I just need to lose 50 pounds. I'm like, okay, how am I going to tell

Starting point is 00:11:38 this person? We're not going to lose any weight for the first three months. So the way I would say it, and this is what I'm going to say to people listening right now, is if your number one goal is to lose weight weight for the first three months. Yeah. So the way I would say, and this is what I'm going to say to people listening right now, is if your number one goal is to lose weight, for the first three months, your goal should be to get stronger. That's it. Your goal for the first three months is, I'm going to go to the gym, and my goal is to get strong in the gym. My goal is to feel stable to get good exercise technique, to get stronger in core lifts, squats and dead lifts and presses and rows,

Starting point is 00:12:07 and part of the process of getting stronger is make sure I feed myself enough so I can fuel that strength. After three months, if you've gotten significantly stronger, if you can see that you're lifting more weight and you feel tighter and you have in your, again, you're stronger, now start to cut. You'll be way more successful. Now that's very generic, okay, because it can be different from person to person, but that piece of advice right there is gonna serve people far better than the traditional,

Starting point is 00:12:35 oh, you wanna lose weight, cut your calories and go do a bunch of cardiovascular activity. For the first three months, just get strong. I trust me, it will set you up far better than anything else you've done in the past. Well, the question you ask them is, is your goal to lose as much weight as you can, as fast as you possibly can,

Starting point is 00:12:53 or is your goal to lose X amount of pounds and keep it off for the rest of your life? Yeah. That's where I would make the client say that back to me. And most of them would be like, well, of course I want to keep off for my life. My goal is to lose it real quick and then put it back on. And then you can go into explaining

Starting point is 00:13:08 like the two different strategies. Like, yes, if I just decided to cut your calories dramatically from where you're currently at, I make you run every single day on the treadmill and lift weights every single day, we will lose the most amount of weight possible in the short period of time. The problem with that is it's impossible,

Starting point is 00:13:23 or almost impossible for you to sustain that for the rest of your life. You just won't. I've never seen it happen in my entire career. I've been doing this. So if you tell me that, hey, out of my goal is to lose 30 pounds and then keep it off for the rest of my life, there's a different approach

Starting point is 00:13:37 that we have to take. Totally. A faster metabolism is a massive asset in modern societies. We're surrounded by so much food. It's so accessible and tasty and easy that having a fast metabolism, 50,000 years ago wasn't a great thing. You don't wanna be the guy or girl

Starting point is 00:13:55 who can't store body weight very easily. You're dead, you're like, you're not gonna survive. But today it's the opposite. If I get snapped my fingers and have everybody's metabolism increased by a thousand calories a day, we would solve the obesity epidemic overnight, literally, just because your body's burning it off naturally.

Starting point is 00:14:12 So that's the idea. And then also consider this. Your metabolism is with you, whether you're exercising or not. So you speed up the metabolism. You're burning more calories all the time. When you're at work at your desk, when you're watching TV with your kids or hanging out, you're burning more calories all the time. When you're at work at your desk, when you're watching TV with your kids or hanging out,

Starting point is 00:14:26 you're burning more calories. So this is the strategy you want. Give yourself a little bit of time to build that strength. So initially, if your goal is weight loss, focus on that first, it'll set you up. It just, it makes all the difference. It's the only way if you want flexibility for the rest of your life and your diet.

Starting point is 00:14:41 I've never met anybody that wants to eat chicken, rice, and broccoli for the rest of their life and your diet. I've never met anybody that wants to eat, you know, chicken, rice, and broccoli for the rest of their life. And that's it. If you wanna be able to enjoy a glass of wine every once in a while or a dessert or go out to eat, not feel like you have to count the calories, but the problem is people don't feel that way when they're in this position because they go from,

Starting point is 00:15:00 you know, eating 1,500 to 1,700 calories, they restrict down to 1,300 to lose weight. Well, then when they decide to have two glasses of wine, and now they intake 500 calories, it's more than a third of their chloric intake for the day. But at that same person, I can build muscles, speed their metabolism up over the course of, say, three, six, nine months,

Starting point is 00:15:18 and get them up to where their body is burning 2800 calories a day, and they decide to have a glass or two of wine. It doesn't affect them the same way that it affects them if they were the person who was eating only 1300 calories. 100% 100%. All right, so I think we should talk about, I know we already talked about Will Smith slapping the shit

Starting point is 00:15:36 at our Chris Rock at the Academy Awards, but it is my underhand pitch on the wine. It is, that was a really good underhand pitch. We'll go then, he didn't pick up on that. I don't know that. But I want to talk about this first because this is a big deal. We'll get back to wine, but this is a big deal, right? Because it's everywhere and people are speculating a crazy about what the deal is.

Starting point is 00:15:57 What I had said, and we talked about this first about him getting away with it in the sense that he didn't security stop him from assaulting someone, he went back to his chair, sat down, not only that, one in Oscar, not only that, got a standing ovation, literally minutes after he slapped somebody. Yeah, he was there the whole time, like, partied afterwards with everybody,

Starting point is 00:16:18 like, nothing happened. Backlash is happening. So there's a official release from the Oscars saying, you know, we don't condone violence and this is terrible. They're probably considering some kind of punishment to save face. But boy, is this a reflection of the death? In my opinion, the death of old Hollywood celebrities. So are do we believe now that it was not staged? Are you 100% on the, I think it was real. So I'm still not all the way sold. Really?

Starting point is 00:16:47 I'm not. I know why, because you're gonna change my mind. I'm on the fence a little more now, but I'm still not 100% convinced. What happens with the Oscars and then what happens with Chris Rock afterwards, still for me is what I'm waiting for. If the Oscars really do pull his award

Starting point is 00:17:03 and or say you're not invited next year or something that they actually punish him somehow. Okay, then maybe not. But I still think that they would be in on this because it's them who's gonna get the greatest benefit from them. They are getting the most views because the more people,

Starting point is 00:17:17 Oscars been said and Googled in the last 48 hours more than probably anything else has. For the first time in God knows when. So I still think that it's a win for them. That's right. So I don't know if it's a win. So the only way that they're not in on it and not okay and it wasn't something stage was if they take action if they don't take action I believe they were part of it. And of course they're going to say something to if they're trying to make it look like it's real here's not really doing here's the thing, I don't think it's a win. I really don't.

Starting point is 00:17:46 It's like the NFL was steroids and stuff. It's like we got to ask for doing something about it, but we really wanted to happen. If this didn't happen, they're just gonna like fall away into obscurity anyways. Like they're ratings, nobody was watching it. Nobody cared, it's a for like when Ricky Trevace roasted everybody.

Starting point is 00:18:03 This was another one of those things that just was sort of, it happened and all of a sudden, like, it just blew up with the place. Here's why I don't think this was staged because it's not good at all. This literally highlights all the critiques about that whole industry. The fact that A, here's one critique, comedians under attack for making jokes.

Starting point is 00:18:23 Yeah, but I see all kinds of... Hold on, let me keep going. There's that. There's celebrities follow a different set of rules. And boy, has that been under serious scrutiny over the last couple of years with the pandemic and the mandates and how they get caught doing whatever the hell they want? So there's that one right there. There's the, you know, how you get treated because you're a celebrity versus other people.

Starting point is 00:18:46 How you got away with it, the expression of violence just out of nowhere. Like, it makes them all look bad in a way that it can't be good. Remember the Oscars used to be about like prestige? I don't know, to say, you're now lumping all, it's Will Smith who looks bad. It's not pay, everybody else doesn't look that's not how people and I don't buy that argument because it's

Starting point is 00:19:10 Bad publicity is still good publicity. Yeah, it's attention eyes the way that those the Oscars makes money is views Viewerships ad revenue that's and they are probably been seeing this with all-old media for the last yeah last day they gone 100% like they love Negative stories that that's what sells and I think it I do but there's no long if they were if they were condoning this They have to come out and act like it's just like I said It's just like the MLB and the NFL was steroids They can't come out and condone it and say it's okay to do it So they at they put in these things to make it sound like they really want behind closed doors You bet your ass that they're okay with those guys so different juice. No, you can't compare sure

Starting point is 00:19:48 That's a better comparison than your anger away. So no way steroids makes you play baseball better and football better Steroids makes bigger fast publicity brings more attention to eyes and add it to you, but it's wrong It's the wrong kind because it doesn't last really I do they're gonna keep having a war show I agree, but like you've seen this with every corporate business, like you've seen them just bite on the, you know, the negative, whatever it is that they can put out there to get attention, like they're using that as a form of, like a tool and their toolbox.

Starting point is 00:20:18 I don't think so. What do you think Doug? I mean, what is the benefit to Will Smith? He had to participate, right? Yeah, just trust him. Zero benefit. to participate, right? Yeah, destroy him. Zero benefit. So he had, that's what's leading you. That is the part I'm with you, Justin. That makes me go like, okay, that can be real.

Starting point is 00:20:33 But that also could have easily been like, maybe he didn't think that he was gonna get that hammered over it. Maybe people, because here's the thing, you guys, he's not getting completely destroyed from this, okay? He's being celebrated by a lot of people. Yes, there's a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:20:45 There's just as many people that are going like, good enough, good for him for defending his wife. So he is not being destroyed by this, by any means. He hasn't been canceled, he hasn't got his award taken from him. He came out and said apology, everybody was under, if you look underneath this, the comments, 90% of them are positive and supportive of him. So he is not getting, you know, black bulb for this at all.

Starting point is 00:21:05 I think this will be the worst attempt at getting ratings in all of history. I think it's, it's been already proven to be successful. Successful how because, by using attention and us talking about it. It's so negative. It's trending more negative and positive. What 100%.

Starting point is 00:21:22 No, no, not 100%. Go look at, like I just said, go look into the comments. Okay, Doug makes a good point. And that's the part. And Justin agrees, I agree that the one thing that makes me go, like, really, well, this makes you look kind of bad. But that's my opinion.

Starting point is 00:21:35 That's not the majority. A majority of people are actually siding with it. They give a standing, oh, after you got up and got his award. That's because, like, it's very similar to this cancel culture vibe, right? It's like a tack, you know, cancel. Except, you know, it's a, like this whole violent, it just falls right in suit with a lot of this, this culture.

Starting point is 00:21:57 If the Academy Award planned this, if they all planned it, if the Oscar would have, if they all planned this, then what security would have pulled them out right away? Because that's the biggest scrutiny. They were caught off guard. Will Smith got to sit down. Everybody was shocked. We don't know what to do. Standing ovation.

Starting point is 00:22:11 Everybody's getting ridiculed for it. If it was planned, they would have said, okay, we need to make sure that when he does this, we pull them off stage. Otherwise, we all look bad. Otherwise, we all look like a bunch of people. Yeah, I don't, I think their opportunists is my angle, right?

Starting point is 00:22:23 So I don't necessarily, I don't know for sure if it was not planned or not, right? But I'm leaning more towards it probably was not planned, but in terms of them as an organization, they're capitalizing on the intention. 100%. No way, dude. And it's such a... I mean, dude, it's a dying cries of a dying industry. It's like the last. Well, that I agree with you there.

Starting point is 00:22:48 That's why I think it's staged. I think that they, I think they're all somewhat in on it and they need views. They need views. They know they're dying. They're getting their ass kicked by social media. Old Hollywood is dying and this for a moment is making them more relevant.

Starting point is 00:23:01 It really is. I mean, when was the last time you talked about the Oscars? Did you know that sourcing a bunch of memes and stuff, mentioning Tupac Shakur and Jada? I didn't know this. Did you know that? I didn't know what you did. Jada and Tupac had this really close relationship that Will was super jealous of when they first got married. How old was that? Tupac that when he was 25. So he was a pop-up. This was in 90s and I think Will and Jada at first started, this is when they first got together. And he wrote about it, I guess, in some book.

Starting point is 00:23:30 His book that he just wrote. Yeah, that really bothered him. You know, what, and here's another thing too, I would love to see this, and we could probably look this up, for sure we'll be able to in a couple of weeks, this is a look at his book sales from this. Let's see where Will Smith's book sales are in two weeks or three weeks.

Starting point is 00:23:44 Sure. Are they trending up? Are they trending down? There certainly isn't people burning them in the streets. So he didn't get, he's not, also to think about the anticipation for next year's Oscars. Like, what are they gonna do? What host are they gonna have? Should Chris Rock come back and have like a neck brace on?

Starting point is 00:24:01 My favorite meme was that the next year's Oscars would be hosted by my best friends. With my Tyson. Yeah. I mean, I do. What do you have done it? If it wasn't Chris Rock, but the rock. Okay.

Starting point is 00:24:12 So if it really caught the Oscars off guard and they are, they are not happy with it and make some look so bad, then sell you. What are you going to say if they don't take action? If they don't take action. They don't take action. Oh, they, I think they will. What I'm saying, you know what I think he's what they're going to action. They don't take action. Oh, they, I think they will. What, what I'm saying, you know what I think? He's what they're gonna do.

Starting point is 00:24:27 They're waiting. This is how shitty they are. This is what's stupid. It's literally the fake shit. Virtue signaling people are, they're minds are just exploding. They're waiting. Which way do I go? Yes, they're waiting.

Starting point is 00:24:36 Let's wait and see what public set. You know what though? And this is why I know it's bullshit. They're getting chastised by liberal outlets like the view. They're getting chastised, but everybody's the view. They're getting chastised, but everybody's chastising. I'm saying this was a terrible stop over generalization like that. Not everybody's solid. It's like half and half. It's like it's not half and half. Yes, it is. It's good. So please someone defend me here. I've you there's just as much support for the situation.

Starting point is 00:24:58 There's negative. There's a ton of people out there that are saying like that's why they came out with their statement. That's why they they had to come out with their statement. Well, that was, that's happening no matter what, whether it was stage or not, they're gonna come out with their statement. They have to say something. It's the whole thing with like, smash and burning buildings.

Starting point is 00:25:13 Like, you got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette or whatever, like, it's a mentality that needs to stop with this violent, like, you saw things with violence. Yeah. You know, and it's, but there's a lot of people that think that way. If you think about it, like, okay You know, and it's, but there's a lot of people that think that way. If you think about it, like, okay,

Starting point is 00:25:27 if you think it was real, or let's, if you want to play that game, it was real, it was not a display of manhood, it was a display of week. He slapped him, of course it's not. It was super insecure. Make that movie better. You know, my future movie could have done. Yeah, very, and it was like, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:43 he's wife looked at him, you know, because at first he laughed kind of nervously. Well, that's, that's the biggest thing, right? I saw it again, the Star Wars means, because that's where I live. What? It's like, he's laughing on, like, like, institute order 66 and he's just like, oh,

Starting point is 00:25:59 Oh, shit. Yeah. I have to. I have to. I just can't, I just can't believe that he sat down. Nobody did anything. And then when he got up, this is how disgusting these celebrities are.

Starting point is 00:26:11 They live in such a bubble, the faked as fucking people in the world. They give him a standing ovation. What? Yeah. What? Yay. You just hit a fucking comedian who made a relief.

Starting point is 00:26:20 Yeah, we forgot all about that two seconds ago. Not forget about it. They gave him a standing ovation. You could've did that. You think there was, yeah, but you know, you're proven my point. two seconds ago. Not forget about it. They gave him a standing ovation. They did that. You think they were, yeah, I mean, but you know, you're proving my point. That's how many people are accepted it.

Starting point is 00:26:29 They're not only accepted, they supported it. They thought, you know what? Chris Rock was out of line. He went too far in a joke, which by the way, I don't. Dude, Ricky's your basement way harder. Oh, I agree. I mean, really to me, did you guys ever watch, did you watch the whole, I watched his whole YouTube thing

Starting point is 00:26:43 that he did on his weight loss journey? I don't know if you guys watched all of it. I watched the whole thing. I don't watch the whole thing. He's definitely, he's definitely mentally tortured and has a lot going on. So you add that, you add his whole red table thing where his wife sits down and they talk. I think his wife abuses him. That's what I think. Seriously. Yeah. And I think you've emotionally agree with that. I don't disagree with that at all. And that's a lot like that. If it was real, that makes a little more sense, right? He's, he is definitely not the one who's wearing the pants and the relationship in this situation.

Starting point is 00:27:11 Oh, that looks bad, huh? Yeah, well, and then she kind of makes that look where she was, you know, disapproving of that joke. And because right before that, he's laughing. Yeah. I mean, he's kind of like, whether it's awkwardly laughing or not, he's still pretending to play on it. Can I do that at first?

Starting point is 00:27:25 Yeah. Right. But then when he looks over and he sees Jada and realizes that it's not, not a, you don't like this, babe? Oh, shit. How many of you are the bus? Let me go slap the guy's face. I mean, I, I feel like if it, uh, if it was real, uh, and it was not staged that the,

Starting point is 00:27:40 the Oscars have to do something. They have, even I don't care if it's as simple as he doesn't get an invite next year or, but they have to take some sort of action to say that we don't, they have to. We don't condone that behavior and this is unacceptable. Otherwise, it does become a Jerry Springer show. Like, what happens next year?

Starting point is 00:27:58 You know what I'm saying? If Will Smith smacks Chris Rock, I mean, you know what's gonna happen? I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. And this is why I love, this is why I have so much respect for the art of comedy in terms of, especially stand-up comedians. Because they're all way,

Starting point is 00:28:12 because they are gonna push comedians. You know what's gonna happen? There's gonna be entire bits done about Will Smith and his family. Oh, he opened himself up, getting. Because you know, like that's something that they think about every time they go on stage, there's some drunk asshole that's, you know,

Starting point is 00:28:26 talk trash to them and wanna come up there and come on, say, if they don't have security, you know, that's a real viable threat. Well, I don't know about you guys. So I watch standup, I know you do, Jess. I watch standup all the time. There was a second there. Literally, it was a very short period time

Starting point is 00:28:39 where comedians were a little, they were getting attacked and canceled. Yes. And they came back with the vengeance. The standup comedy I'm seeing now is really, like they go off the rails. Well, this is where part of my whole cancel culture thing, I feel like they encourage that because they want to silence

Starting point is 00:28:55 a lot of the, you know, the opposition voice, like the comedic voice, the canary in the coal mine, kind of calling you out for the absurdity of it. Yeah. And so it's like, to stifle somebody's opinion, like it's just easy as a slap. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:11 Well, I mean, they have set the table for everybody that's in comedy for the next two years, is like that will be the biggest joke ever. Like, if you guys, if you guys, if Smith looks bad on all angles in this. Oh, yeah. Have you you ever seen I have never seen as many memes and stuff made over a situation?

Starting point is 00:29:30 You know what that fast and that fun for it. You know what else this highlights? Just how like fake people's outrageous on social media what they care about. It literally took a celebrity slapping another celebrity to erase Ukraine news off my feet. I know. Gone.

Starting point is 00:29:48 Gone. Nobody cares for however long this, you know, takes up the feed. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Like overnight, I go on my, it's like, nobody's debating and arguing over this thing that they pretend to care about. So it's sad, but again, yeah, it's crazy to see that. Well, honestly, thank God it was the same race because if it was a black and a white guy

Starting point is 00:30:07 or like, or anybody like a minority and a white guy, it would have been fucking. They would have turned it into a race. Oh my God, we would have turned the whole thing into a racing. It would have been the worst thing ever. And then to talk about the pressure for the Oscars to say or do something,

Starting point is 00:30:20 then they really would put on, right now, I think they're trying to take the angle like I told you, it's just, oh, it's like a family barbecue and oh two friends or uncles got upset each other and reacted and so maybe we're in a press. Did you see what's his name offered them 15 million each to fight Jake Paul? I knew it.

Starting point is 00:30:35 He's like the. That's the soft way this generation's Don King. He is. Yeah, he's gonna make so much money bartering and creating these deals. Well, have any of them though, I don't know if anyone's actually accepted any of his, because he throws out like outlandish ones, and I don't know if anybody has actually jumped on it

Starting point is 00:30:51 and said, yes, they'll do it. So I mean, he's, this is like the third one I've seen him put out there, like calling out that I'll pay X amount of dollars to see something and I haven't seen any of this. I can't see high level, a level celebrity is doing this. I feel like that's a career destroying move, but I can see a lot of sea level players and a lot of like you know Social that's what we're seeing right now with social media a lot of these you know, I don't know what you

Starting point is 00:31:15 What screech that's seen I mean that's just what's his real name Dustin Diamond? Yeah, what it what I think. I think he's died now. Oh, no. If like you're like a super like an Oscar award-winning actor actress, you are considered like an A-list actor. So what is what it's like a 10 million followers on Instagram?

Starting point is 00:31:35 What are you? Oh, geez. What are you? I know. Like how do you get, what's what separates A-list actors, B-list, like what is it that does that? I think. And then where does where does now, because I think we all agree.

Starting point is 00:31:46 We can't really call them an actor, right? Well, I think we all agree that social media is now, I mean, you're kids, right? Your kids know YouTube stars more than they know, big actors and actresses. Obviously it's moving in that direction. So are we gonna start ranking like Instagram and YouTube celebrities the same?

Starting point is 00:32:02 That's a good question. It's gonna be like, Oh, sure, that's a good thing. A-list, YouTuber, whatever. Yeah, that's gonna be like, Oh sure, that's a good thing. That's a good thing. A-list YouTuber, whatever. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, cause again, like I had one the last time,

Starting point is 00:32:09 like my kids don't know anything about either the, and Chris Rock and Will Spill's are huge celebrities. Like they're like, what? Who cares? I know the only people who care. Where's Dan TDM? The only guy that they've locked on. Mr. B's too.

Starting point is 00:32:22 Yeah, the only people that are sharing these memes are all being 40 and a half. But yeah, actually no. The memes, so my 16 year old son knows about it because of the memes. Okay. Is that the only reason why he really? That's why.

Starting point is 00:32:34 Because he don't know probably all the drama and their life and the how genius goes. He recognized Will Smith because he's seen movies with him, but it knows name, but the memes are flying everywhere. Wow, that, talk about how crazy that is. That's, yeah. It's a dying, it's a completely dying industry, and I couldn't be happier because it,

Starting point is 00:32:48 really for a long time, they just preach, and they get away with murder, and they tell us what to do, and they live totally different. I can't stand that. They might actually just have to focus on, you know, making better movies. I imagine that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:02 You know, speaking of celebrities, I felt a little bit like a celebrity yesterday doing photo shoots professionally. I always feel so... Skip that before you do the mud mask. I did a whole bunch of stuff. Can I have a take off? You guys have a couple of times to hate that stuff, dude. None of us, I think, really like it.

Starting point is 00:33:21 I think it just feels so... I think Justin kinda likes it. Yeah, I just did just kinda, out of the three of us, I'm probably like, you're a whole list with it, right? Like I don't, I just don't care. This is my thing, like yeah. Put some on my face, you know, put some on my head. It feels weird to me.

Starting point is 00:33:35 I, well, you know what though? So yesterday was the first time that I did the whole, like, the whole trifecta thing, right? So the, what is it the deep cleanse thing that they have and then I did So you actually use them any film though. Yeah, yeah, so Doug took up photos of me using each one of the caldera products Yeah, and I actually so I have half my caldera stuff is at home in the shower on my sink and then half is over here And so I've actually never being completely honest done it the way you're supposed to. Like one after another and to put on, dude, my skin fell,

Starting point is 00:34:06 I did a little clip dude, like, and I got hell of the arms for people like, wow, dude, your skin looks, and you can visibly see a difference. Yeah, that mud mask was a trip. Oh, and my face felt amazing for it. You guys are so good. I get it, you know what I'm saying? I gotta get it.

Starting point is 00:34:20 Hold on, I said, I have my cucumbers, but what's the order? So we started with the deep, which is their reviving mask. Okay. So that's the mask. Yeah, they put it all over their face. And then they rinsed that off. And the next thing they used was the clean slate to wash up the skin afterwards.

Starting point is 00:34:37 And then finally, you finished off with the oil. Yeah, with the serum. Yeah. I used the serum. And you would normally add, which I didn't have, I didn't have the cream to put, or you would go after to seal the oil, right? Isn't that how that works? Yeah, I think the way they listed out is their recommended protocol is to, I think, is

Starting point is 00:34:52 it morning to do the, I think morning cream and then evening you do the oil. Okay. Yeah. So I use the serum. That's the one thing that I use pretty consistently. And it's, like I said, I would never, in the past, I never put anything on my face because I have this natural oily Mediterranean whatever skin. So, you know, it's really good all the time. Between now and the next time we have a caldera commercial, I want you to do the whole thing

Starting point is 00:35:16 just to feel it. Yeah, I'll try. Cause you have to, I mean, it really, So I've done the mask and you definitely can tell that it does something for sure. But I just used the serum and the reason what trips me out is I was reluctant because I already have oily skin.

Starting point is 00:35:28 I'm not gonna put oil on my oily skin. I'm gonna look like a grease ball. And it balances out my skin actually. What it does is it makes it so that it's more balanced. So it's not just oil for dry or because Justin's dry, it balances him out too. It tries fucked in. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:43 I'm really, it's a desert. Cracky with crack. It's a sponge. You try, it's fucked, dude. I'm really pretty. He's a deserter. He's a spunge. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Anyway, back to wine. All right, man. You brought up wine earlier.

Starting point is 00:35:53 Since you missed my underhead pitch the earlier on the wine, what? No, I wanted to set up our commercials, how the good there. I just got back into wine. Honestly, I had avoided wine forever. No, check this out. So public goods sells wine. Yeah, they sell them in six and 12 packs, I saw that. You No, check this out. So public goods sells wine.

Starting point is 00:36:05 Yeah, they sell them in six and 12 packs, I saw that. You could buy a six pack, you could buy a 12 pack. The variety six pack is 94 bucks, not bad, for a variety of six bottles of wine. The 12 pack is 170, so it's even better. But check this out, this is good shit. Their pino is made in Italy. Their malbec is made in France.

Starting point is 00:36:24 The rosé is made in France. Then the red blend is made in Italy. Their Malbec is made in France. The Rose is made in France. Then the red blend is made in Chile. And I believe the Chardonnay is made in California. So like this is the international. I mean, Doug's probably the biggest wine I know it almost if I had a guess. Are you the bigger one? I believe that's wine. I think it's wine. Now, is now what you just brought up is that are each of those areas known for that specific type of wine? Yes. Is that right? Yes. Yeah, I would say so.

Starting point is 00:36:50 Okay, so that's interesting. Not that nerdy about that. So I wonder if that's what they did, right? So they sourced the best type of wine in the most popular area for that hot type. Yeah, they've also sourced organic wines. Oh, that's a big deal. They're all organic. Organic.

Starting point is 00:37:06 Okay, so now I want to try because the organic wine I've tasted it tastes like shit. Just be honest. And do you guys get a reaction from, where they add the wine that mixes, it gives you like a histamine response is it the sulfites? Yeah, sulfites, sulfates.

Starting point is 00:37:20 I'm not sure. So they don't add them to these wines. All that stuff. I would give me hangover. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I don't know what class is classified as an organic wine. What can or cannot be included? Well, I'm reading right now. I'm reading here that there's no added sulfates, which for some people, when they they'll drink wine and they'll get like a histamine response. They also add the also use like the pesticides

Starting point is 00:37:41 and stuff on the sprays on the on the. Oh really? Yeah, that's part of what makes it organ... I believe so. Yeah, I have sometimes a reaction to wines. There was a brand, so like a couple of years back, I don't want to roll over on the boss. I get a reaction to that. There was a organic wine, a popular organic wine that came after us to do advertising, and I remember we tried it, and it was just...

Starting point is 00:38:01 Who's garbage? That was terrible. That was terrible. I mean, I wanted to, I wanted to be able to promote a organic, better choice like a wine for our audience, but I'm like, if I don't like it, I can't. I'm not gonna do commercials about something that I think tastes like shit.

Starting point is 00:38:14 Yeah, so... But I haven't had this, so we'll see. I'll try it out. It would be great gift. Yeah, I'm like that with wine. So, so here's what's interesting. If you guys have been, everybody's been to Europe here, right?

Starting point is 00:38:24 Have you been to Europe, Justin? Yeah, just mainly as a British child. Okay, so have you ever had wine in Italy or France versus wine here? It doesn't affect you the same and it's because they don't add the same shit. This is what I've read. They don't add the same stuff that tends

Starting point is 00:38:37 to cause that histamine response. So I've noticed that. Wine can give me the worst thing over. I noticed that about just eating and drinking in Europe in general. Like I feel better. Foods that would normally kind of mess me up in the States. When I ate them in France, I didn't feel that. Did you defer that from grains, too?

Starting point is 00:38:54 Yes, like the pastas and all. So I, although right now. Or a different type of... No, so I can react to gluten sometimes, depending on how my gut is. But even when my gut's feeling feeling good if I just keep pushing gluten After you know a week of it. It'll it'll mess me up in Italy when I went to Italy This was this was years ago and it was it was my my gut wasn't doing very well But I went there and I literally said you know what?

Starting point is 00:39:17 I'm just gonna just throw caution to the wind. I don't care. I'm not even I'm not gonna work out We were in a small town the gym was was closed for the summer, which was really a dream. It was stupid. So I went there and I had pasta all day long and it was delicious and Bread and I didn't react and I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on So I did some research. So here what we do here often with our wheat is we use glyphosate as a desiccant. I think that's the right term. Where we spray the glyphosates on to dry the wheat in Europe, they don't do that. In Europe, if they do that, they have to label it.

Starting point is 00:39:51 So they don't do that. So they have the glyphosate load as much lower. We hammer with glyphosates from every angle here. We also use wheat here that's higher in gluten than the wheat that they use over there. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah, because gluten gives wheat, it's a protein and we think it's a binder

Starting point is 00:40:05 I assume or structure to it. Yeah, so I noticed the same for Spina me why why do we use more than that? What's the what's the mix already makes it last longer produce more? And then the glyphosate they sprung Shelf life stuff like that. I think that's something along those I so the thing about Europe that oh it's okay So we'll talk about Italy, for example. They have a long culture of food. And so they have these laws that protect regions,

Starting point is 00:40:32 but the inadvertent, you know, kind of like the accidental, I guess side effect of that is, it's harder for food manufacturers to add weird shit to food. So like if you get a particular type of cheese, like in Italy, they have laws that say, this type of cheese can only be made in this region. You can't make if you make it somewhere else You can't call it that type of cheese or this wine. That's how they are with wine. Yes Yes, France will do the same thing right that isn't champagne only from one place

Starting point is 00:40:56 Yes, if you get it if you buy it somewhere else even if it's made exactly the same can't call champagne You can't call a champagne. Yeah, you have to call it I thought that was really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So they do that. But the side effect of that is they stay closer to their original. Now that the other side effect is more expensive and less available. But the food is more closer to its original the way they made it back in the day. Speaking of cheese, I'm so glad I can bring this up. Ethan was talking to me the other day about, like he's been hanging out with his friends and they all have bikes and they kind of,

Starting point is 00:41:31 you know, have created their own biker gang. And so he's like, what? I'm like, you get a biker gang. He's like, yeah, we're gonna get jackets and do the whole thing. We're the cheese weasels. What? She's like, I'm dying, dude. I was like, who came up with that name?

Starting point is 00:41:47 You know, I did. I'm saying, okay, you know, you understand, I get roasted all the time for my obsession with cheese, right? Yeah, like so. By the way, that was a great name. I'm like, I'm like, I'll take it off. You gotta make a moga. Yeah, you have to make a moga.

Starting point is 00:42:00 Like, you got some patches, you know, you guys mob together. See, before you guys go for ride, and one takes a bite of the block It's passing around the room. That's right. Yeah, they have rivals. Yeah, let's ride boys. Yeah, I know They're gonna get them you know, obviously you ever you ever hear about the gang names in like the 40s and 50s They were weird like that. Yeah like the jets the jets, we're the jets. Yeah, we're the jets. They break out in song.

Starting point is 00:42:24 No, no, that's like all the musicals I've seen. With that movie. West Side Story. I love that. Have you guys ever watched West Side Story? I don't think I have. I've seen like parts of it. I've seen like parts of it.

Starting point is 00:42:34 I've seen like parts of it. Oh, it's such a murry, such a great movie. They remade that movie. It was okay, not bad. But the original was one of the best. I'll come up with a song for the cheese whizazz. I love it. But no, they had funny gang names. and then later on, game names got real crazy

Starting point is 00:42:47 and tough sounding. But yeah, back then it was silly. Hey, I saw the article that Jackie sent over about Elon Musk. Is that, do you think, do you think it's a real possibility? So he did a poll on Twitter. Yeah, you brought it, you brought it up first. I know that.

Starting point is 00:43:00 So that's what's making the news, right? So we did a poll that said, do you think, something along the lines of, do you think that Twitter should make their algorithm open source so that everybody knows who's getting more, why some people get more views than others and- Totally, love that. And of course most people said yes,

Starting point is 00:43:16 which, I think that's brilliant. Of course. Because social media is under attack for being like changing the rules and isolating certain groups. Well, if it was open source, I think it would be no problem. So he did that.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Then people said, would you ever start your own or whatever he says, I'm seriously considering it. So starting his own social media. That's the key does I'm following. You know, like I'm paying attention. You have to love that he intentionally looks for markets just to disrupt.

Starting point is 00:43:43 Yes. He's the master of disrupting. That's what's so cool to me. Most people were thinking about like, where can I make the most money? Where's the blue ocean? Like they're trying to think like that, which is smart to do that.

Starting point is 00:43:55 But the fact that he has the confidence and the brilliance to go like, I'm gonna fuck that market up right there. Yeah, but they're kind of wrong. I'm gonna go in and just disrupt the shit out of it. I mean, let's talk about this. He does not have time. It's like all those other business.

Starting point is 00:44:10 I mean, he's going to Mars. Like, you listen to that podcast. No. Okay, so, yeah, well, this was with Lex Friedman and I forget the lady's name, but she's a general IT professor there who has worked with NASA before, and her whole family, I think, is astronauts, but very, very good podcasts.

Starting point is 00:44:32 They were kind of speculating what it would take to colonize Mars and this whole thing. I did not know that technically, when Mars aligns with Earth, it only takes like six to nine months to get there, but that it takes three years total to get back. Because you have to go through orbit until it lines up again to get back to Earth. So round trips, every three years, Mars is in a position to where it's close enough to Earth.

Starting point is 00:44:59 Where it only takes six months. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, and what was really cool is they were talking about like self organizing tiles and materials to make these massive structures. So they've already like, I have, again, I'm not gonna be into the science, but apparently they can like find each other and like organize and create these structures autonomously.

Starting point is 00:45:21 You know the weirdest thing to me about the whole Mars thing is that like let's imagine like all the bad things that could happen to this earth because of how what we're doing to it and everything like that. Imagine like the worst. I still think of it as a better place than Mars. Yeah. There's storms and the like it's right.

Starting point is 00:45:39 Dude, I said that. I know. It's like the most inhospitable place you can go. Right. It's like worse than it's worse than an article. It's worse than the deep ocean. Yeah, so I'm less interested in the science of going there and surviving there and building an atmosphere. And it's cool.

Starting point is 00:45:57 I think it's cool. But I'm less interested in that than the psychology of the people who are going to go there and what it's going to do to them. Have you read this test that they've done on astronauts to see what would happen if we sent them that far away to where just communicating with Earth could take days, let alone, you know, getting back which is three years. They've run tests and they find that what's likely to happen is that they'll start slowly not listening to commands on earth

Starting point is 00:46:26 and start slowly being like, just like colonists. It's no different than when colonists left, went to the new world from England, eventually what do they do? Revolution, we want independence. Every single colony did that. It's throughout the history of the world. So you said, okay, you, you,

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Starting point is 00:47:13 again amongst people and like having an objective, like I think that we need to focus more on like getting Mars just for that fact. Do you think of the ultimate way to like start over? Like, oh, got another bad relationship and I lost my jaw. You know what? You know, instead of moving to like another country, I'm going to Mars.

Starting point is 00:47:31 I'm outta here. I'm outta here. I'm going to the plan B and B over at Mars for, yeah, I'm going to Mars for three years. I'll be bad. So they haven't figured out how you could have like a kid in space yet. Why? Yeah, because

Starting point is 00:47:46 grabbing it's like gravity. Yeah, like there's just so many complications with that. Even if you're on bottom. No, not creating. Because we could create them. I mean, there are difficulties with that too. And they kind of skimmed over that. I was like, I started leaning in, you know, like how does this work? Yeah. But they, yeah, because I guess gravity affects the whole process. Yeah, exactly. like, I started leaning in, you know, like, how's this work? Yeah. But they, yeah, there's a lot of gravity effects the whole process.

Starting point is 00:48:07 Yeah, exactly. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense, because everything on Earth evolves with this type of gravity. Yeah. The only way that we know how to create gravity so far is through certain, trifical force. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:18 So like, until we figure that out, it's going to be really weird. Yeah. And people, I mean, have you guys read the accounts of the guy who was on the space station the longest and how long It like how fuck up his body was when he came back. Yeah Really weird. Oh, yeah, I mean you got like no bone density at that point is everything But the session was weird how long ago was that though that was a while back I took him I think a year for a long did he that was a long time ago. Oh, yeah, it was a while ago Because since then like they've I mean you have you seen some of the cool stuff they have now,

Starting point is 00:48:46 like the way they strength train and the, I mean, I think they're doing things to, are already to get that right. Yeah, there's a lot more cool tools available for fitness and things, but also what, one other point that I thought was interesting was, they're trying to recruit like more artists to be involved with the whole Mars thing

Starting point is 00:49:05 because they wanna bring in a different perspective and all this stuff, like they've actually had students create a musical instrument that can only be played in, they don't call it anti, or zero gravity, they call it like minimal gravity or whatever because there's nothing is like without, like. I don't know why, but it just, it just pulled up how much gravity actually is. It's nothing is like without like I don't know why but it just pulled up how much gravity actually it's 0.375 that of earth. Yeah, so did you get benched like more than 20

Starting point is 00:49:32 months? Hey, when you said an instrument of bars that are gonna create like a Martian instrument, I don't know I just immediately thought of that the the bar scene and Star Wars. Oh yeah. Yeah, you know, and of course they they I have no idea how it works, but I'm like really interested in what, how that works and everything. The other thing was the physics, right? In terms of like, if you're gonna play sports and everything, you know how you have that natural kind of curve

Starting point is 00:49:58 because of gravity. Oh yeah. If your throat feels you're gonna have to be way longer. So you, well, it's like, it's more, you gotta think more like, how you throw darts or like throwing something, it's gonna go directly in line with, with however you move it. So you have to think more in like straight lines than you do like with the arc.

Starting point is 00:50:15 A football's gonna be like, five pounds over there. The weird to play sports up there. Yeah. Oh yeah. That'd be cool. I like that, I like that a lot. I have, so this is, I mean, moving us from science over to business because I read an article that I thought was really interesting.

Starting point is 00:50:29 Any guests, first of all, like, do you guys, do you guys believe that we have companies that have existed for 150 years or more? Oh, very few. Yes, very few. Very few, if any. Okay, so we do, like, oil companies? We do have companies that have been around for over 150 years and any guesses on how many.

Starting point is 00:50:47 It's gotta be good. We do an over under with you guys. Oh, Justin will do his what? 50. No, I'd say less than five, five or less. I'll take 12. 540. That many.

Starting point is 00:50:58 I win. Yeah, that's impressive, right? 540 companies that have been in the middle. We'll name some of them. Oh, I don't know, I'll talk my head. You can pull up, pull up the... I know that. I know that.

Starting point is 00:51:07 I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that.

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Starting point is 00:51:23 I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that. recognize some names. I reckon, I off the top of my head, I read the article a few days ago, so I don't remember all of them, but there was some brands on there that was like, okay, I know that brand. But then there's a lot that I have no idea. I just, but I think that's interesting, right? A company that's been around for that long and you don't even know,

Starting point is 00:51:37 I just think of how strong it has to be. And how many of them, like the small companies? Jim Beam. No, most of them. Oh yeah, Jim Beam. Are you serious? King Arthur baking company? Go deeper than eight. Because when you started when I started getting down to 15, 20, that range is where I really started to recognize more names.

Starting point is 00:51:52 So you guys will definitely recognize some of the names, but yeah, right? Interesting that they to last that long. I saw Bakers chocolate. Never heard of that before. JP Morgan. Yeah, there you go. JP. Obviously. Blizzard people do. I can't. More lizard more lizard people. That's what size. Wait a minute. These are lizard people company. Colgate. Colgate. Yeah. Remington ammunition. Oh, yeah. Brooks brothers, macy's all these. Yeah, a lot of companies. I was a pressure teeth with cold.

Starting point is 00:52:23 What was in Colgate 150 years ago? I wonder. Col. That's all the wackest. Where is the city we work in? So I would have lied. That was probably heroin. You ever look at old. You feel real good when you're done.

Starting point is 00:52:37 You ever look at old medicines from back in the day. There was an old cough syrup bottle I saw and had fucking heroin and cocaine in it. It was for kids. I don't know. I give it to him. He's caught back then. The work was way harder. So you know, it kind of offsets. Make sense. Yeah. What's the, what the opiate one that was that was so, uh,

Starting point is 00:52:56 lot all what's the, what's the famous opiate that's been around forever that they used to give him? Opium is, yeah, opium. That's what is it? What's the opium? Was that the name of it? I thought it was original. I thought it was lot of lot of lot of them or lot of them. Iium? Is it, yeah, opium? Is it opium? Was that the name of it? I thought it was originally. I thought it was lot of them. Lot of them or lot of them? I'm not sure.

Starting point is 00:53:09 But I know that was like a really popular one. That's all it is. It's just, you got a headache. You should do some cocaine. Yeah. I agree. That's how you do it. That will definitely help.

Starting point is 00:53:18 You lost your foot, Adam. You're sprinkling some heroin on it. I'll feel better. I imagine how good of a company you have to be to have been around 150 years though, and to continue to reinvent yourself. That's crazy. To be around even today. That's why.

Starting point is 00:53:30 You just wear, I mean, I saw a stat the other day that the, you know, the SMP 500 within like 50 years, like 80 something or 90 percent of it. One of Buffett's like, you invested in all of them. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, actually, I'm sure he's probably all those ones. More lizard people. Yeah. Hey, real quick. Yeah, actually I'm sure he's probably all those ones. More lizard people. Yeah.

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Starting point is 00:54:58 Yes, so I'm Angelina. I am a group fitness instructor and a fairly new personal trainer. I just received my personal training certification last year in September. And as you guys know, these certifications don't really do anything for you besides give you this label that allows you to practice. And honestly, the real learning comes after the fact, right? And honestly, I've had the most experience through teaching and experience with my clients

Starting point is 00:55:29 and watching videos about correct form, falling the right people, and honestly, mind pump has taught me a lot. I'm really grateful for you guys and I really value your expertise. And it's been really awesome because I'm a full-time student and trying to work and trying to grow my business and to listen to you guys on my commutes and to listen to you guys during my workouts. It's been really helpful and I feel like I'm learning constantly. So thank you.

Starting point is 00:55:54 That was my long way of saying thank you. But basically, so I just put my commercial gym jobs and I am working at a private gym. I'm trying to hone in on my personal training and as a personal trainer, I really care about teaching my clients proper function and that mind-to-muscle connection. I really love to focus on that. And one of the movements I have been really struggling with myself and with teaching is deadlifts.

Starting point is 00:56:21 And honestly, I feel like there's so much conflicting information out there about deadlifts and the different types and I would love for you guys to help break it down for me. So I kind of wrote like a question rant in but I'm going to just kind of go and you can stop me. But basically, one of the biggest things is I'm struggling between Romanian deadlifts and straight-like deadlifts I feel like there's a lot of confusion out there. I used to set the deadl the bar down every single time with my straight-like deadlifts But I've seen that they're both supposed to hover but then some people say no set it down every time with your straight-like deadlifts And so I'm wondering do you hover with both and should I be going all the way down or only to my range of motion? Because it's so weird, because I personally,

Starting point is 00:57:09 I can't stop feeling pain in my lower back with just RDLs, but I don't build them at all with my straight light dead lifts. So I wanna kind of break down like what they're both working and- Yeah, let's break that move. Let's break that down before we move on to all the rest of them,

Starting point is 00:57:23 because I'm gonna list off all of them. And you know, you know, the cell, cell communicates this really well when he talks about like, you can do any movement so long as you, you move safely, right? So there's people that have the flexibility to do a stiff leg of deadlift where they take the, the bar all the way down to the ground. Right. Most people don't, the most people by the time they get that bar close to the ground,

Starting point is 00:57:47 the low back will start to round. So that's what really matters. And so that's the first and foremost. So if you're somebody who can do a stiff leg of deadlift and you can move the bar all the way down the ground and put it at rest, you can do that. Also they become a little bit different exercises if you keep the barbell hovering versus setting it down, right? So if you're doing like a traditional deadlift

Starting point is 00:58:11 where you set the bar down, there's a lot more emphasis on the concentric portion of the exercise, right? The pooling it up, and then you're kind of letting the bar drop all the way back down to the ground. So, it's just, they're all valuable, they're all focusing on different things.

Starting point is 00:58:25 Different intent for that one. And there's not like this, this is wrong, this is right. It's traditionally you do an RDL and you don't let the barbell go all the way the ground. But if you were somebody who had that flexibility, it doesn't mean that you can't do that. It just changes the exercise a little bit, right? If I have to hover and I can't set it down and I'm doing five to six reps, I'm consistently keeping tension

Starting point is 00:58:49 back on my hamstrings and my glutes, right? Whereas if I set the bar down, I get that moment of rest and then the focus is more on the lifting the bar up and not so much on the lowering the weight. So you kind of change the movement. Yeah, Angelina, with the deadlifts, off, a couple of things, I think this will help too with deadlifts in general. Generally, don't look at deadlifts as a body part or muscle specific exercise. They just don't lend themselves very well to that.

Starting point is 00:59:17 Now, of course, a rear, you know, a Romanian deadlift or stiff leg of deadlift, you could say is a hamstring and glued exercise, and that's true, but I don't like to focus on them like I would a more isolation exercise. When it comes to deadlifts, I am almost always teaching my clients to perfect the technique in the form and not worry about where, which muscle group we're feeling at. Now, of course, that doesn't mean you ignore if you feel something wrong,

Starting point is 00:59:46 but it's really about the movement more than anything. And they just work better that way. As far as the Romania deadlift and stiff leg and deadlift, the key is that the spine stays in a fixed position. Okay, so you get in a neutral spine, you bend at the hips, right? So it's hip flexion and extension, not one bar.

Starting point is 01:00:08 And the spine stays fixed. And if the spine can continue to stay fixed and you hit the floor, that's fine. If the spine starts to flex and then yeah, you went past the range of motion. So that's what you want. So if you can go all the way down, very few people can do that by the way, with really, really good spine positioning. But if you can, then that's totally fine to go all the way to the ground. Now, if you want to get a client who can't do that, but you'd like them to set the

Starting point is 01:00:37 weight down as well so you can reset between every rep, which is totally fine, then what you would do is you would have them place the weights on blocks or on a bench. So you would raise the floor essentially. So that they can put the weight down, reset their, and I would do this all time with clients because that spine position is so hard to maintain for some people. That I would have them set the weight down on a bench

Starting point is 01:01:00 or blocks, we would pause, reset our position. I always wish for clients. Especially when it gets heavier, it's difficult. Like, with the hover, I feel like I can, when I'm setting it down, I feel like I can lift so much heavier than when I'm hovering. Because your resetting goes way up. Yeah, because it's in the same part.

Starting point is 01:01:17 Yeah, in control. So yeah, in terms of like beginner to intermediate, I always suggest, you know, to set. Setting it down. Yeah, that's exactly what I would do. And then you said with the Romanian deadlift, you feel more low back pain than a stiff leg? Yeah, it's so weird.

Starting point is 01:01:32 I feel like I think because I'm in my head now. There's movement in the spine. Yeah, well, well, yes, that's what's happening. It's so weird though, because with my straight deadlift, I'm not feeling my lower back at all. And I feel like my range of motion is like, I'm also Pilates instructor. And I feel like I have very flexible hips and feel like my range of motion is great with

Starting point is 01:01:52 my straight leg deadlifts. But I think with my Romanian deadlifts, I'm really focusing on like, I want to fill it in my glutes. And I'm not feeling in my glutes. And then I just start to fill this lower back pain. Here's what's probably happening. I don't have to watch your form, but I'm going to make a educated guess that you're overarching your spine with the Romanian devil. Yeah, I think that might be what it is because I'm not, I'm watching videos and I'm like, I'm not rounding my lower

Starting point is 01:02:15 spine because I feel like that's the common thing. That's why you would feel lower back pain, but I'm not seeing around. It might be that I'm really trying to focus on like sticking my glutes out because that's what people say to do. Yes, you're working the hell out of your low back to stick them up back. It's one or two. I would say it's either that. My guess was going to be that there's just movement in the Lumbar spine.

Starting point is 01:02:36 So when you're in a soft bend in the knee, so one of the benefits I feel of doing a stiff layed is you can lock the body in a position. The knees are locked out, the hips, you can lock out and all your focusing on a sliding the hips back as you drop down. Where when you're in an RDL, you have kind of the soft bit in the knees. And so there's, you're kind of concentrated on keeping them in that fixed position and you can easily go up or down. And sometimes with that, it'll cause is even though you're not rounding at the low back,

Starting point is 01:03:03 there's movement in the low back. And so that, you know, you feeling it in the low back and you're loading the bar, you might just be feeling it in that. So it's either what Sal is saying, you're overarching, which, you know, test that out by, you know, by, I'm, I'm going to guess that you're not, you're not talking about feeling like you're a muscle pump in your low back, but you feel like it's not, it's kind of, not good. Like it feels like your spine is shearing a little bit. Okay, you're a muscle pump and you're low back, but you feel like it's not good. Like it feels like your spine is shearing a little bit. Okay, you're over watching.

Starting point is 01:03:29 You're 100% over watching. You don't get that from movement in the spine. Movement in the spine. That'll give you a burning sensation when you're like putting your low back. Like the muscles are tiring. And the biomechanics of a stiff leg at deadlift actually place more load on the muscles of the spine,

Starting point is 01:03:44 that's around the spine, that's around the spine, then a rear Romanian. What's happening with you, which is common with people who are strong and are trying to focus on the glutes is what they do is they stick, they really arch the back. They over-arch the back. So what you wanna do is I don't want you to over-arch the back, I want you to go ahead

Starting point is 01:04:01 and arch your back like you normally do, then bring it more to neutral and then brace the hell out of your core and then focus on your hips and you won't feel it anymore. Yeah, I think it's because like I was saying, I'm really trying to differentiate the two movements for myself because I wasn't doing Romanian deadlifts for so long. I was just doing straight leg deadlifts and I feel like I had even clients wanting to do Romanian deadlifts and then I felt like, okay okay I need to start doing this myself and really understand and I had to just drop the weight so much lower because it was hurting to like do that However and like I was saying no brace your core really hard when you do it

Starting point is 01:04:36 That'll offset the arch in your low back that'll that'll help fix that and then as far as the other deadlifts are concerned I see your question you're talking about sumo versus conventional Two different exercises is how I would I would I would I would I know they're both other deadlifts are concerned, because I see your question, you're talking about sumo versus conventional. Two different exercises is how I would, I would, I would, I would, I know they're both called deadlifts. Right. And, you know, yes, you could do one and not the other,

Starting point is 01:04:52 but that doesn't mean that they're totally replace each other. I would consider them just different exercises. They're both hip, dominant, you know, obviously. Right. Poster chain conventional, you're gonna get more back and sumo you'll get. They're all different, but I never program any pair of them in the same workout.

Starting point is 01:05:08 Not too much, right at this point. So they are very different and there's different focuses on it, but I would never do like a Romanian deadlift and then also a Sumo deadlift in the same workout. It's like, I would just, and I personally, like when I coach clients, I like to do a, you know, a block of training, meaning a few weeks focusing on one of those.

Starting point is 01:05:29 So we're gonna do RDLs the next four times when we get to what I normally would do deadlifting. And then after we've done it RDLs for a while, it's like, okay, let's transition in, didn't teach Sumos. Now I'm gonna do Sumos for a month of training your deadlifts. And so utilize all of them because I think they all have tremendous value. And then maybe the only time I would put more focus

Starting point is 01:05:51 on one of the other, if there's very specific things that the person's working on, like what I love about a sumo deadlift, I think it's a great butt builder because you're in more of a seated position like a squat, you get more glute activation and then because the knees are opened up, you get focused on the glute need.

Starting point is 01:06:09 Yeah, I wanted to ask about that because I feel like there's some confusing information about if a student with that lab does really work your glutes because some people, some professionals out there are saying like, it's working the adductors more than it's working your glutes. And I feel, I feel it in my glutes and I would think of that, but then some professionals are out there like saying, no, don't use this on glute dates, not actually working your

Starting point is 01:06:32 glutes. So I wanted to hear you guys a thing. To me, all that's irrelevant. Okay. You know, in terms of the overall value of both of those specific exercises, sumo and conventional, we're trying to master the movement, the mechanics, and get the body to produce as much force as possible. There's not a lot of exercises that allow you

Starting point is 01:06:52 to drive and control that much force and to do that once. And so if you can focus primarily on just like proper form technique and really brace in the body and getting everything is live and active as possible. All of that is gonna happen as a byproduct. Yeah, not only that,

Starting point is 01:07:11 I think so. A lot of most people are most girls that I'm training that wanna develop their butt, can sumo deadlift more than they can conventional RDL or stiff leg it. So, and also squat. So it's one of the best ways to heavy load somebody in Yes, it focused on the hip complex that they wouldn't be able to do so they're not gonna squat

Starting point is 01:07:30 They're probably not gonna squat to 25, but I can I can get a lot of girls to be able to sumo deadlift to 25 That the benefits of that to Justin's points that have like really focused on a single muscle is is incredible so Usamall they're. They're all different. I would never pair them together. And unless I had a client who had a very specific reason why they were doing one, like obviously if someone's competing, we want to get good at one technique,

Starting point is 01:07:55 you know, and we're going to always do sumo. We're always going to do conventional whichever one they lean towards. But for the general population, just getting your client strong, building muscle, shaping their butt, I mean, I mean, I'm going to use all the variations. Right.

Starting point is 01:08:07 I think I'm like, have been really in the headspace of programming for muscle groups and through listening to your guys' podcasts, I've learned the value in full body workouts, right? Yeah. And programming in different ways. So I'm trying to sort of transition to that space, even with myself, but I got a good point Angelina because in a full body workout, I'm not thinking what muscle group does deadlifts work. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:32 Right. I start my workout with deadlifts because I'm gonna work everything anyway, right? So with the body part specific workouts, it can get a little funny and people are weird about where they would place a specific, very valuable exercise and sometimes they avoid them completely just because of that.

Starting point is 01:08:46 Do you have any of our programs right now? No, I don't. I am fairly new listener. It's been about two months and I definitely, I just started a cut for myself personally and it's hard. What do you guys say? What would you say? Strong or anabolic is probably one of the best for considering we're talking about dead lifting it

Starting point is 01:09:05 Which one has the most variations that we have? I mean power left to would be Yeah, I mean we don't do variations in that though. It's just really hyper focus I I love training for high-purchase fee and I love training my clients for high-purchase fee that's go aesthetic Static with maybe like the butt builder bund. So yeah, we'll send you maps. It's that you've been working out for a while, right? Angelina, you got to pretty good experience.

Starting point is 01:09:28 Yeah, let's go man. We're going to send you maps aesthetic. Follow the program. And then what you'll learn some things from or you'll pick some things up from it that I think you can apply to. Can you throw her Doug the either the butt mod or the butt builder version of that? So she has all of that since I'm assuming

Starting point is 01:09:42 that's probably some of the questions are around that. And I think we have more variations of the deadlift with that bundle. What big box gym did you leave? Leave, by the way. Um, crunch. And now what you're a small studio now? Now, I'm in a small, uh, private gym called Recshop Training and I'm super excited about it. What crunch were you in? You're in in California? Um, I'm in California.

Starting point is 01:10:05 I was teaching in Chino and Diamond Bar. Okay. I was teaching for about two years. And I just felt like I'm going to grad school and graduating in June. And I need to pay my way through grad school. I start making more money than commercial jobs can offer me. And I felt like I'm a good instructor.

Starting point is 01:10:24 So I need to move to a gym That's really gonna value me long as you can get clients. That's hard. That's a hard part about Yeah, yeah, I'm just getting like a little waiting list right now and one because that private it's private gyms It's sort of different where you have to like pay right to teach there and so I'm trying to gather a group of people so I know that I can really like start my business there. I was teaching out of my garage because I have a home gym and I feel like now I want to transition to a more like professional space. Awesome. Well good luck, good for you. I hope you crush it and if you have any questions send us an email but we'll give you a map, Sesthetic and the and the but builder combo with that, okay?

Starting point is 01:11:04 Great. Thank you. I really appreciate it. No problem. Thank you for taking my question, and this is super cool, and have a great day, you guys. You got it, you too, thank you. I know it was just a very end of that conversation, but it's such a common mis-belief, right? That you, leaving to go private,

Starting point is 01:11:21 you're gonna make so much more. I, I can count on one hand. You can make more money, but there's one money. I can count on one hand. You can make more money. But there's one big problem. I can count on one hand. I've trained. Higher trained, developed coached trainers, most of my career. So hundreds have worked underneath me at one point, like over the course of, you know, 10 years. And I can count on one hand, how many trainers left to go make more money. And even, I would even actually succeeded. Yeah, that made more than what they made working from. Yes, yes.

Starting point is 01:11:49 Working in a big box gym where there's try, yeah, per hour, they all made more money. Per hour, you can go raise your rate and you get to collect all of that. But you go from training seven people in a day to train two. That's right. Yeah. And it's really, really tough to leave and go do that. I think we, especially at gym like Crunch, Crunch, 24 lifetime fitness.

Starting point is 01:12:08 It's a sea, it's literally a sea of potential clients. I mean, and this is what people don't realize. Yeah. As a trainer, walking into a very busy big box gym, where you're looking at any given moment, 30 to 100 people who don't have a trainer, like I could, I used to do some people all the time. I used to do some of my trainers all the time.

Starting point is 01:12:27 I'd walk the floor and then come back with three clients. And in a private studio, you don't have to go outside of the studio, you have to go out to the grocery store and to the Starbucks and you gotta do more. And by the way, the ones that actually were able to go do that, like a Justin, were already crushing 80 to $100,000 a year. Because they tapped out. Yeah, exactly. already crushing 80 to $100,000 a year as a- Completely tapped out.

Starting point is 01:12:45 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. They were already maxing out, they were already getting paid top dollar inside. And to me, that's what the conversation I always had with these trainers was like, listen, I'm all for supporting you building your own business, but let me just give you a little bit of advice.

Starting point is 01:12:59 First, max yourself out in a place like this where people are giving you leads. Like you don't even realize how much value there is into a gym, like a crunch that's getting anywhere between a thousand to two thousand workouts every single day inside that commercial gym. And at all times, there's 25 to 100 and something people on the floor, which are opportunities and leads for you. And then you go to a private gym where there's 10, 15 trainers working at.

Starting point is 01:13:29 Everyone that's working out there are all with trainers. So there are no leads at that gym and you have to go find that. It's just they don't. If you're not the top selling trainer in your big box gym and you don't have and you fear walking up to people, you're screwed. You gotta be number one in that gym and not be afraid of- Accessually driven. Yeah, it's a lot more difficult,

Starting point is 01:13:55 but like learning about your own business and how you can market yourself and how you can handle like all the accounting and everything else. If you're ready for that, like it's a great transition. Yes. And you definitely can make an awesome career out of it,

Starting point is 01:14:08 but it's definitely weeds a lot of people out. Well, and as far as the deadlift portion, which is really what you call for, this is another part of our space, which annoys me like everybody wanting to, because she brings up how there's professionals in our space that say that, well, that doesn't work this and that's more of this.

Starting point is 01:14:26 And it's more. I get so annoyed by that stuff. So why? Because it's not that important, like you, what you guys kept. You know who is saying that? It's all a biomechanic, non-coach, non-trainer specialist. So, look at the biomechanics that don't go past 90 degrees. The same people that say the conventional deadlift isn't a back exercise or doesn't really work.

Starting point is 01:14:42 Yeah. Asumo deadlift doesn't develop the glutes at all. I'll tell you right now, that was one of the best secret weapons I ever figured out as a coach and trainer was watching how much that did develop glutes was incorporating that exercise. So, stupid, stupid points that these influencers and professionals are trying to make, just to get attention, who's going to make that debate. Our next caller is Cassie from England. Hey Cassie, how can we help you?

Starting point is 01:15:07 Hi guys, nice to meet you all. And I've been listening to you show from quite early on. So I'm excited to meet you. Thank you. All right, nice to meet you. So I'm just going to read my question so I don't get frustrated here. So you've helped me pass a lot of my body

Starting point is 01:15:26 image issues struggles with food and dieting training all that but now my main issue is that I'm stuck on trying to get my body exactly how I want it really specifically my arms. I trained like a power liftifter for many years, but brother was a competitive powerlifter. So he trained me. I do have a strong upper body and I don't feel like I have to train a lot on my upper body to get strong. But I do feel like my arms are big. So I know if I lean out, I would probably get smaller and maybe show more of the muscle, but I sort of the minute don't feel like I can wear anything really feminine because I feel like my arms got a proportion and that they do build easily. So during the pandemic, I stepped away from the power lifting and I set up a home, ran maps, anabolic and then went back in the gym,

Starting point is 01:16:27 jumped to aesthetic, heard your recommendation about performance, so went back and did performance, and then now I'm currently running a aesthetic again. But my question really is, if I want my arms to get smaller as I try to maybe cook, should I be lifting my biceps and triceps as much as like what's in aesthetic, or should I maybe not be focusing on my arms, should I maybe cook them the amount of of sets or should I just be speaking to compound lifts only or do I actually need to focus on my arms more? Yeah, well, that's, these are good questions. Do you know like how lean you are, what body fat percentage are at?

Starting point is 01:17:19 So I went to the Arnold classic in October and then I did like a in-body scabber thing to the Arnold classic in October. And then I did like a in body scabber thing. And I think it was around 23%. But I know that they are very accurate. So I don't 100% know. Okay, okay. Well, 23%'s not bad at all. I was gonna say, one of the best ways to shrink anything

Starting point is 01:17:45 is to get leaner. If you dropped a few percent body fat, you would get smaller overall. As far as your arms are concerned, yeah, you can totally avoid direct arm work. So in Maps aesthetic when you're looking at the program, you can do all the exercises, and then when it gets to biceps and triceps,

Starting point is 01:18:01 just don't do those exercises. They're gonna get enough work from the compound lifts that you're going to maintain strength and stability, because I never like to encourage people to purposely get weak or lose stability. That's not going to really happen too much because you're still doing pressing and pulling and that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 01:18:19 I would just avoid the direct arm work and then on your focus session days, add exercises for areas of your body that you wanna develop even further. And then simultaneously getting leaner will give you probably more of the shape and size that you're looking for as well. And then what do you guys think about having her focus on,

Starting point is 01:18:37 because obviously there's gonna be a week's time, there's a bunch of different places where there's gonna be arm work, especially when you include also focus sessions. So this is an example of where, and this is why the assessment portion of training is so important when you first start a client and you see where we have any sort of imbalances or we have limited range of motion. So as a coach, I would now program, okay, wherever it says bicep or tricep, we're going to get down and do your combat stretch or we're going to get down and we're going to do your 90-90 to program in good mobility work that you probably, because everybody has something that they probably need

Starting point is 01:19:09 to work on in regards to mobility. And so here's an example of where I've got a client who we don't want to grow or develop our arms anymore, we're fine, we're at, but I want to program something else. Instead of doing what I think most people do, which is they go, okay, I'm going to do more glute stuff now. I'm going to do more shoulder stuff now. And there's plenty of that already in the program.

Starting point is 01:19:30 You don't need to add anything like that. But there's tremendous benefit right here to focusing on a mobility exercise that you probably could do more of. Yeah, I'm always trying to find ways to incorporate it. So it is something that the clients will stick with. So if that's going to be the case in this instance, I think that would be valuable to replace that with

Starting point is 01:19:52 certain mobility moves that you know you could improve upon in terms of range of motion for different joints or just avoiding pain in general from the compound lifts. Yeah, and Cassie, you know, now I don't know you, but I'm gonna make a generalization in terms of body fat storage. Women store more body fat in the arms than men do. So when a guy will gain weight, he typically will gain it in his trunk,

Starting point is 01:20:19 especially in the front part of his trunk, his abdomen area, whereas women will gain it in the lower part of their body, and in their upper body, they tend to gain it in their arms or in the tr part of his trunk, his abdomen area, whereas women will gain it in the lower part of their body and in their upper body, they tend to gain it in their arms or in the triceps in particular. So if that's you, if you notice that when you gain body fat, you tend to gain body fat in your arms, then dropping a few, because now you're at 23%,

Starting point is 01:20:37 so low 20s, as you start to get closer to like 19, 18%, those harder to lose areas are gonna to start to burn body fat. So, you know, it's, I've said this before, the first place you gain is the last place that you lose it. You're at the point now where you're, you know, the, the, the low 20s, a great body fat percentage to be at. It's, it can be athletic. It's not super ripped.

Starting point is 01:20:57 It's easy to maintain. But as you go lower and lower, especially once you get down to the high teens, 18, 19% body fat, then you'll see those, the areas that you may be genetically pre-expositioned again, you'll start to see it come off there. So I would do a cut. So long as your calories are okay, I haven't asked you any diet questions. So long as your metabolism is doing good and you've got good calories and you feel good, I would do a cut and then I would avoid direct arm work.

Starting point is 01:21:25 And then the guy's made a great suggestion. You could replace the arm work with mobility work. So you're still, you're doing something instead of just doing nothing. And the mobility works out tremendous. I mean, that's incredible. Congratulations. I'm sure there's a lot of people on your jealous

Starting point is 01:21:39 of your arm gain. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that's the issue. I haven't got any embarrassed in the gym. Cassie, Cassie, do you have maps prime by chance? I do have prime. Yeah, have prime. So yeah, here's a great opportunity for whenever I'm sure you did prime and I'm sure there's some areas that you might not have passed and failed. Take some of the movements that are in there and that's where I would insert them into your programming.

Starting point is 01:22:06 Well, part of England, are you going to go for them, by the way? I'm just feeling in West Yorkshire, because I'm not kind of... Yeah, good deal. My wife's family's from England, and I forgot what part. I'll tell her. I'll talk to somebody from that area. And I do like training for strength as well.

Starting point is 01:22:26 And I like doing, I don't like doing biceps, but I like doing tricep dips. And that's obviously probably gonna imbalance my arms, I imagine. Yeah, not not a lot. I mean, you're still doing pulling stuff. You're still rowing and pull downs and stuff like that. You wanna do extra tricep work, that's totally fine.

Starting point is 01:22:44 Especially things like dips. Yeah, dips, great. That's a range of motion. Yeah, so that's a valuable action. Yeah, you're totally fine. Okay, cool. All right, thank you, Rick. Cassie, I know you said you already have prime,

Starting point is 01:22:55 do you have prime pro, because that's got some more advanced mobility movements. I don't have prime pro. All right, we're gonna send that over to you, all right? Oh, perfect, thank you. We're gonna mail it all the way over to England Thank you, Cassie. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks guys. Bye. I'm glad Sal you you brought up the point about body fat Because here's something that's it's just more common with women. I feel like I'm getting too big. Usually it's a body fat thing

Starting point is 01:23:23 You know, yeah, no, she may have great arms. And here's a thing where I think that's why I'm glad you brought that up is sometimes that's just it. They just store more body fat in that area. And then they want to avoid it because they feel like it's already thick and I don't want to get any bigger there. And if that's the case,

Starting point is 01:23:40 then I actually wouldn't want my client to stop doing buys and tries. Like I would, this is what's hard about doing this over the phone, but you know, it's, but it's okay. It's right. No, no, no, 100%. It's not like we're avoiding back work. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:51 No, no. And yeah, if you're going to drop anything off, she's getting bicep work through all the other pooling movements. So it's not a big deal. But this is where it's hard on the podcast because I don't see or I don't train her. We're not working together. If I was her coach, I would be able to, I'd go like, you're fine. We just need to lean out.

Starting point is 01:24:04 Plus you never relationship with their way. Yeah. No. Right. Yeah. That's not muscle. I think you're okay. I think the muscle once we get lean, you'll be happy. That's right. And now when it, with women, here's a deal. Very rarely are they actually too big from a muscle perspective. If they are, if they are, it's rare, but if they are, here's the two body parts where it's 99.9% of the time, the issue. Number one, calves, women can and have had calves, my wife's calves, or she got bodybuilder calves, she doesn't work them, and she never wants to work them. Luckily, she has small ankles, so it looks real good.

Starting point is 01:24:37 But if she trained her calves, they would blow up, so I would totally get that. The second one may be legs, and that's it. I have yet to meet a woman, ever, that literally got arms that were too muscular. Traps, yeah. But that's just happened. Any traps, women know you. They don't like any development of the trap.

Starting point is 01:24:52 Yeah, that's the thing, they don't want any definition. Yeah, but getting leaners usually, the, usually the, the things you do. Yeah. Our next caller is Michael from Canada. What's up, Michael? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks so much for taking my call.

Starting point is 01:25:11 So my question basically boils down to asking your advice on how realistic my fitness goals are and then what sort of program I would kind of look at to achieve those goals. So I'm 45 years old. I've been a basketball player my whole life. All of my workouts in my teens, my 20s, my 30s were always based on sort of explosiveness. So all I really cared about was like my speed, agility, vertically, back and stuff. As you can imagine over the last 10 to 15 years, my athleticism has decreased. And I wanted your advice on how to calculate the risk, reward, kind of balance or calculation calculation when it comes to workouts designed for increasing that kind of athleticism. So long-term, I'm still hoping to continue playing basketball for at least say another 10 years or so and I

Starting point is 01:25:58 have the work ethic and the tools to still be one of the more athletic middle-aged guys out there, but I kind of wanted to know is it worth tools to still be like one of the more athletic middle age guys out there. But I kind of wanted to know, is it worth it to still pursue that kind of athletic goal at my age or is it time to kind of check my ego and start focusing on maintenance, longevity, that kind of stuff? This one hits me right now. This hits me the feels so hard, bro, you have no idea. This is a good question.

Starting point is 01:26:23 I got it back on my list. This is a conversation I have with Katrina a lot. I don't even tell the guys this stuff. Like I wrestle with this like every fucking day. Like I miss basketball. Like, we don't know. You don't need to talk to us about it. You can see it.

Starting point is 01:26:37 They don't care, right? So, but I literally like what you're wrestling with is something that I'm in the middle of still wrestling with right now. And the reason why I'm not playing ball is, and hopefully this is not what is gonna happen to you because you pointed out the thing that I know, I'm not disciplined enough right now to train in the gym

Starting point is 01:26:57 like a person who is trying to protect their body with basketball. I'm still training to look a certain way and feel, and that's kind of where my head is. Plus you stop for a while, right? Oh yeah, no. Yeah, so to me, that's really, you could play basketball to your 70.

Starting point is 01:27:13 But if you, so long as you put the work in, to take care of the body, so that you don't get hurt while you're playing on the court, and that is the main thing. Like if you were, if you were doing that reservation, that's right. If you were, and it boy does it make it, when we get 40 plus, it really, really met when we were 20 and I know you know this, you probably didn't have the stretch, you have to do Moe, you know, do anything you can get on the court and go play for three hours straight and be completely

Starting point is 01:27:39 fine. I've learned the hard way in my, in my late 30s of, you know, rowing, you know, level three sprains in both ankles, tearing an ACL, MCL, like I've had injury after injury, and I know it's because I've built up a physique that's more conducive to lifting heavy weight than it is to playing on the court. So that answers that right there. We'll get into the programming piece, but, you know, so long as you put the work in the gym,

Starting point is 01:28:06 you could play ball as long as you want. Just to add to that, generally, everything has to be a lot more deliberate and intentional. And so you could get away with a lot more obviously with your youthful body. And so prep and priming and all those things that we talk about all the time, like I'm stressing this so much.

Starting point is 01:28:25 I'm trying to get this mindset to be adopted by the youth. The younger you are and you start really incorporating these rituals, the better. The longer you're going to have the abilities and they're going to last longer to where we avoid the pain and the stress in areas that we don't want. So your whole thing is to make sure you have strength support and to have that kind of stability around your joints. So the mobility emphasis, I can't stress enough. And on top of that, it's really about like maintaining strength. So it's less about like trying to crush PRs

Starting point is 01:29:03 and trying to get super strong. And it's more about like trying to crush PRs and trying to get super strong. And it's more about movement in general and quality of movement and intentional movement. And so it's a completely different type of pursuit. Yeah, Michael, something you said about, should I check my ego? I wanna be very clear, that's something that's smart and should be a priority for anybody in the gym

Starting point is 01:29:24 is checking your ego because that's always what tends to be the problem. Regardless of your age, as far as it workouts a concern, you're doing it there. This is really interesting. You'll know, I'm going to go to what he was saying and we could talk more specifically. But so this is what I'm about to say is going to make a huge difference in your performance. Okay, because I know you're talking about how you hurt or how you don't want to get hurt and that kind of stuff, but I'm going to talk about your performance. When you're young, as a trainer,

Starting point is 01:29:52 depending on if you're in season or off season, but generally speaking, I'm trying to push and improve performance and doing that will make you perform better as an athlete. As you get older with lots of experience playing basketball, you've reached certain peaks of performance, you know, over your lifetime, I'm going to get better performance at you by not focusing on pushing your performance, but rather by focusing on protecting your joints and your mobility. So that's a different mentality. Whereas, you know,

Starting point is 01:30:21 15 years ago, you go to the gym, you're like, I need to get stronger, I wanna get faster, I wanna jump higher. Today, if you wanna get faster, if you wanna jump higher and get stronger, don't focus on getting faster, jumping higher, getting stronger, focus on protecting your mobility and your joints, and that will get you the performance.

Starting point is 01:30:38 So it's a different mentality when you go to the gym. That's it, so if you go to the gym, regardless of what you do, and you think yourself, what can I do to protect my mobility? What are the muscle and balance as a movement issues I have? Where are my mobility issues? How can I make my body feel better? That's going to give you better performance. Then going to try to get stronger and get faster and to jump high. Let me ask you a question. So if you're going to compare yourself to your 20-year-old self to where you're at now, how often do you sit and what does your day to day schedule look like in terms of the difference of availability of movement and how much you would move throughout the

Starting point is 01:31:14 day versus now? So I have to compare in my 20s I was working more of a desk job today. I'm working from home a lot more to actually gives me a lot more chances to break it up over a walk, do a little bit of yoga in the middle of the day, that kind of stuff. So I'm actually doing a better job of taking care of those kinds of things now than I did 20 years ago. Well, that's great. I was expecting the opposite.

Starting point is 01:31:39 I mean, I love it. You see what he's got up there, what he's doing. The only real tweak I might make is like you're you're following like a random yoga YouTube I would be more specific to mobility moves that are going to Benefits you and to Salis point of protecting you on the court, which is like lateral stuff rotational stuff Foot strength to sell to do the celebration foot ankle So that is so instead of doing like a generic yoga class, which there's nothing wrong with that,

Starting point is 01:32:08 but because you have specific goals, instead of you doing that, I would actually do, but do you have Maps Prime Pro? We're gonna send that, I'll have Doug send that to you so you have that at your disposal. And then instead of doing a one hour generic YouTube yoga class, I would do an hour of, you know, half hour to hour of mobility work that is going to benefit you on the court. Yeah, and in terms of explosive stuff, like in risk versus reward, you can kind of figure

Starting point is 01:32:38 out different ways to reduce the risk, right? So with like kettlebell swings, for instance, you know, versus doing power cleans with the Olympic, you know, doing Olympic lifts versus, you know, kettlebell type of explosive movements or controlled box jumps or things like that where we can, you know, reduce a little bit of the risk and stress on the joints and control it a bit better. I go through that and kind of adjust and make some tweaks there. The other thing too, and this is gonna be

Starting point is 01:33:12 a listening to your body, because overall, I like kind of what you're doing already. I might scale back on the strength training because you're doing five by fives and you're doing that two times a week, but then you're also got the skills training and you're playing ball. That might be a little then you're also got the skills training and your playing ball. That might be a little much, so if I'm going to scale back anywhere, it's actually on

Starting point is 01:33:29 like the heavy compound lifting that you might be doing right now because basketball is more of a priority. So I would be, I would, you could even just do it once a week. Yeah, so I'm saying, so I'm, if I know that I'm doing a lot this week, I might only strength train one time that week. Only time I would do two times is if I've just, I this week, I might only strength train one time that week. Only time I would do two times is if I just, I feel fresh, I feel good, I already got the first one in earlier in the week and you're like, you know, I totally feel great, I'm going to go do it again, but you got to be honest with yourself.

Starting point is 01:33:55 Those are the main ones I see. I mean, I like what you're doing, dude, for the most part, for sure. Yeah, I hope that answers your question, Michael. Do you follow Paul Favrets, PGF Performance? I do after hearing you guys mentioned it on our previous episode. He's got incredible content. Yeah, I think that's where that kind of came from. I saw some of his jumping stuff, and that's where I kind of got the question. Like, would it be safe for someone my age to do his stuff?

Starting point is 01:34:24 You know, it's funny about that explosive stuff is that if you stop doing it, you actually start to lose the ability to do it. So as long as you can do it, and you can do it safely and controlled, and you're not doing it to fatigue, like a lot of people do. You've done all the prerequisites,

Starting point is 01:34:39 you're maintaining it. You're fine. You're good. Yeah, honestly, it's healthy to incorporate the explosive movements, as you age. So long as they're good. Yeah, honestly, it's healthy to incorporate the explosive movements, you know, as you age. So long as they're appropriate. So don't do what doesn't feel right or you feel unstable doing. You know, maybe maybe we'll throw him also maps performance. I don't know where where you're getting your five by five training as far as your programming, but you could, I would follow like a maps performance style of strength training. So I'm not sure if you're familiar with that program of ours, but I'll have Doug send that to you if you don't have it.

Starting point is 01:35:07 Do you have it? Two free programs, Michael. That'd be amazing. Thank you so much. No problem. Yeah, I'd use the foundational workouts in there to drive what you kind of do. I think that type of work will carry over

Starting point is 01:35:18 into the court better than a traditional squatting, deadlifting, bilateral stuff. And that would be just once a week, I would be. Yeah, once or twice based off of how you're feeling, but I agree with Sal, you're probably just fine with the amount of stuff you're doing already. And he's been working out for so long. Yeah. I'm just so plenty. Great.

Starting point is 01:35:37 Thank you so much, you guys. I really, really appreciate this. Thank you. I know. Thank you, dude. You know, it's interesting, are the parallels, trust me, there's a connection here between investing and exercise. Like when you're a young investor, the goal is to be aggressive, take risks, try to grow it.

Starting point is 01:35:53 Then later when you've grown your wealth, it's all about protecting it and making sure it doesn't get blown and it gets taken by taxes or whatever. When you're training as a kid, you're like push the performance, push the strength, push the speed. Stretch in your capacity. When you get older,

Starting point is 01:36:08 it'll make you perform better as protecting your body. So like you look at an athlete, like who's one of the bet like Tom Brady, right? He's been playing forever. I guarantee you, if we looked at his training, early in his career and compared it to now, he spends millions on recovery. It's flipped.

Starting point is 01:36:21 I bet you most of it in the beginning was improving performance and some towards recovery. And now I bet you it's flipped. None of it today is on performance. It's flipped. I bet you most of it in the beginning was improving performance and some towards recovery. Now I bet you it's flipped. None of it. None of it today is on performance. It's all about protecting recovery. It's 100%. I mean, they went over that.

Starting point is 01:36:32 He was a really great documentary on ESPN Plus on him that took him and they followed his trainer and how they trained. It's all that, right? It is all recorded. Yeah, I would assume. You're not going to make that guy throw further or harder. No, it'll make him throw further and harder is keeping himself healthy now. Yeah, not pushing the performance.

Starting point is 01:36:48 And this one really hits me in the fields. It is 100% what I've been wrestling with for quite some time now and Katrina and I talk it out all the time. And the truth is I'm not disciplined right now to do the work I know I need to do to protect myself inside the car. And I know better. And so that is the only reason why I'm not playing. You want to do the basketball part? Yeah,. And I know better. And so that is the only reason why I'm not playing board.

Starting point is 01:37:05 You want to do the basketball part? Yeah, exactly. I just want to play ball. I really want to be able to go down the court once, maybe three times a week at most and just get in a pickup game. But I know it's a recipe for disaster for me because I have not been training that way.

Starting point is 01:37:18 And so my basketball is so explosive. It is. And it's so many. And it's the areas that you know, I lateral and rotational stuff or areas that I like. Everything I stress, like times a thousand. Yes. You know, you put yourself in that environment. Especially you're a big guy. Yeah. We all do. That's why I got hurt so many times towards the end of the mind. I'm so strong in one direction. Yeah. You're 220 pounds. You twist

Starting point is 01:37:41 real fast. And you don't have that stability. Like pop you know for all the you know older guys or guys that are above 30 that have contemplated the same exact situation I mean that that's my I make this deal with myself the only way I'm gonna go play ball is if I put the work in first of protecting myself and if I if I'm not willing to put the work in to protect myself then I I haven't earned the right to go play ball. That's the way I look at it. And the biggest, for lack of a better term mistake or challenges that you stopped for a while.

Starting point is 01:38:10 And then now to get it back, what do you think it would take you a year of really good like worth building work? No, I think I could do it in three to three on the short end months, I think, probably on the long end six, I don't think I would have. And then you feel like you'd be ready to get back home? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you could, I think, probably on the long and six, I don't think I would. And then you feel like you'd be ready to get back home.

Starting point is 01:38:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you can, I mean, just so you know that, with building muscle, muscle memory, like it wouldn't take that long, if I was dedicated to really working towards it. But it'd be, it'd be dedicated. It couldn't be like, once a week, I'd do a little bit of, yeah, it would be building the program around,

Starting point is 01:38:40 trying to be a good basketball player, or protect myself on the core, and that not thinking about, oh, my goodness. I was thinking more like, I was thinking more myself, but that's people like, three years. They could be like, oh. They're like, oh, I'm low now, bro. You gotta take things as a prize, you know.

Starting point is 01:38:54 Our next caller is Gary from Illinois. Gary, how you doing? How can we help you? Hey guys, I gotta tell you, I've been devouring your videos. Thank you. Incredible. Found your videos. Thank you. Incredible.

Starting point is 01:39:06 Found your videos about a month ago and been devouring them. I'm a writer, so I have them on all day long in the background. It's really great, great content. Really love it. I'm going to be 71 in June and I want to maintain strength. I want to be maintained and improve flexibility. I play with the kids, my kids range from 39 to 45, my grandkids are 6 to 16. And they take no quarter upon me and it would be very disappointing to myself and them

Starting point is 01:39:43 if I ever can't do the things that I want to continue to do. So I was mainly started looking at your programming. I went ahead and bought the anabolic because I didn't want to come to this this your program empty handed and so I'm hoping for ideas and what you think I should be doing to, you know, maintain and improve where I am now. Gary, well, first off, I appreciate you listening to the show. You're in my favorite demographic of people to train. Anybody over the age of 60, I used to learn so much from training people on that age group.

Starting point is 01:40:18 And also, the most consistent people I've ever trained, and I think it just comes from experience. So thanks for calling in and listening. What does your workout look like now? Because I need to know what your current fitness level is and you know what you're doing now so I can make a better proper recommendation. So I've right now I've been doing off and on. I've done a stronglets list five by five.

Starting point is 01:40:39 Okay. And how long have you been doing that fork that consists off and on over as long as it's been out Like I don't know 10 years. Oh, okay. Now did you start working out about 10 years ago? No, no over the years I mean when you get to my age you've done everything right? Hey, we should we should run right home time. That's the way to do it. We should eat this way We should eat that way. You should lift weights. Don't lift weights. So over the years, I've I've I've lifted, I've done some CrossFit at one point. I've done, I did Orange Theory at one point. I know my oldest son does burn and his wife who's a physical therapist loves it because it gives her a lot of clients. That's a great business model.

Starting point is 01:41:25 That's so true. Everybody's getting hurt. That's exactly, that's so great. You know, okay, so Gary, you know what I like for you? Is actually maps performed? I do too. Although, Annabelle is on a bad place to start. Annabelle is not bad, but he's got so much experience.

Starting point is 01:41:37 He's from my base. Yeah, so strong lifts is great. It's a great, basic, strength building routine. Maps, Annabelle is obviously, I think that's a great basic strength building routine, map, center ball, obviously. I think that's a great routine as well. They're both very, you know, sagittal plane focused. They're both very focused on in specific types of movements,

Starting point is 01:41:56 which means you're gonna over time, you're gonna start to create some imbalances, like laterally, rotationally, for example. And you're talking about keeping up with the kids and doing all these activities and skills. And so it's a great program to maintain a lot of these abilities. So a maps performance would be ideal.

Starting point is 01:42:13 And then the mobility sessions would be so good for you. The only change I would make in maps performances, I would not have you do the explosive phase. Unless it's appropriate for you and you can do those things very comfortably and safely Otherwise, you would eliminate that one phase It's in just follow maps performance as it's laid out with the mobility sessions that would be So perfect for especially the mobility work. I think you would enjoy quite a bit

Starting point is 01:42:38 Yeah, I agree I think you could you could probably live in maps performance We cycle in there if different phases so you wouldn't really need to switch out of that too much. I mean, you could play with little bits of modification every time you go through it, but I think you could live in that. You're such a great call to follow up our previous call. We just had a guy on there that was 40 something who's played basketball his whole life.

Starting point is 01:42:58 And he wants to be able to continue into his 70s playing basketball and wanting to know what our advice was and what his training should look like. So definitely when you get a chance to go basketball and wanting to know what our advice was when what his training should look like. So definitely when you get a chance to go back and listen to this when it gets posted on YouTube or whatever, make sure you listen to that portion where we talk to him about some of the things that just protecting his joints and thinking about his training and what it should look like to be able to still be in your 50s, 60s and into your 70s playing

Starting point is 01:43:23 basketball. Very similar advice as you you obviously may not care as much about the sport as much as you do care about. No, we do actually basketball is the family sport. So the advice that we give him very, very similar, you know, maps performance is be the kind of the strength training. And then a lot of focus on mobility work, which is in maps performance. You know, literally with basketball, we were talking about this, you know, lateral movements and rotational stuff is typically the first thing that people you see go on people because we just don't do that in our normal day to day and then you go in the basketball court or playing a pickup and you ask your body to do that explosively and that's where you see injury normally happen. So if you're doing the right mobility work in the gym to protect

Starting point is 01:44:10 yourself when you do those pick up games with the family, you're going to be all right and a match performance has a lot of that. Now Gary, this piece of advice, I've said this to everybody and I've said on the podcast many times, but it is gonna serve you really well. Regardless of the work that you do, don't go to the gym and think to yourself, I'm gonna work out, think to yourself, I'm gonna perfect my technique and skill with the exercises.

Starting point is 01:44:35 It's a totally different mentality. So it's like, you go to the gym, do squats, well, I'm here to hammer myself, I wanna feel my quads, I wanna feel my glutes, I wanna get sore versus, let's see how perfect I can make my squat. Let's see how good I can make my stability. Can I increase my range of motion with that

Starting point is 01:44:49 with while maintaining good control stability and form and technique? That is good. When it's a little age comes some maturity. Yeah. So definitely. So, so I'm not chasing a weight to be. I'm not chasing a weight to lift. I'm not chasing a weight to lift. I'm just chasing the

Starting point is 01:45:07 performance. And I've got all the equipment. Everything I have is home. I don't even leave the house to go to the gym. I have it here. That's great. Yeah, good for you. Yeah, that's it. I mean, mass performance with the mentality that I said, you're, you're golden. You'll feel great and you'll have energy and strength to play basketball and feel good about it. I'd also love to hear a fall-up from you after you go through that program for a while. So if you could reach back out to us and keep in touch, it would love to hear how maps performance is benefiting you. I just think that you are a perfect client for that. Well, you know, the other thing too is that most of the people, most of the guys my age are doing nothing. You know, they're golfing because they're all retired.

Starting point is 01:45:45 I'm not. They're all golfing. They're if they do anything, it's walking. And they're just starting to come around to saying asking me what I'm doing. Yeah, because there's obviously a difference. Right. No, you know, so, so, so I'm trying, I'm doing this for myself,

Starting point is 01:46:04 but I'm also hoping to, you know, inspire and encourage, you know, others of my peers to, you know, follow along and do the same thing. No, that's absolutely. One of the most striking things about fitness, that I just blew me away as I would witness this is, the difference between you and your peers, boy, does it get

Starting point is 01:46:25 massive every decade. It grows and grows and grows. I feel like right at 40 that it really starts to slip hard. Oh my God. It's like when you're 20, you know, you work out, your friends are 20, they don't work out. I was not a big difference, but when you're 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, you know, you're 71 years old, I wouldn't be surprised if you had some friends that had mobility issues, that had issues where they just couldn't do things that they could do maybe just 10 years ago. They compounds. Yeah, I'm seeing it.

Starting point is 01:46:51 Yeah, exactly. I have another 10 years to that and there's gonna be people who are gonna require help and assistance. And you will be fit. You'll be able to take care of yourself. No problem. So that's what we're seeing now.

Starting point is 01:47:02 You know, my most of us have all lost our parents my mother just died Recently at 91 my mother-in-law is 98, but you know, they all ended up in wheelchairs You know everybody's ending up in a wheelchair on their way out the you know out the door so to speak and Definitely do not want to be in that position. Yeah, well, you're on the right track here So we'll send you mask the phone and you'll be all set. Thanks for calling us guys. I'll set the anabolic aside for now. Yeah. Or give it to one of my kids.

Starting point is 01:47:30 You guys, I bought it. There you go. That's it. Stay in touch, Gary. I'd love to hear how it goes for you. Thanks. I will. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys.

Starting point is 01:47:38 Yeah, always my favorite, Rue. The chain is cool to hear. Well, the change you see, you know, you get some of the loose 30 pounds, you get them to, you get the average person to get more strong and fit and the changes are life. It's always cool to hear. Well, the change you see, you get some of the loose 30 pounds, you get the average person to get more strong and fit and the changes are life. It's great. I love it. I love it. But you take someone 70 and you have them do some strength training and they go from,

Starting point is 01:47:55 I couldn't go up to the stairs so now I can go up to the stairs by myself. That's life changing in a different way. You can hear the life in him. I mean, he sounds like he's 30 years young. Bible is, yeah. Yeah. You know, it doesn't, it hasn't stopped work in, still likes to work, wants to be able to play basketball

Starting point is 01:48:11 with his grandkids like such a, yeah. I'll, I'll never forget when I had my 84 year old client come in and excited, it wasn't even her session, excited to tell me that she was able to close the trunk of her SUV by herself. Like the things you take for granted. Well, because we started strength training. You don't have to suffer through the aging process. I mean, I think that's, I love to hear, you know,

Starting point is 01:48:32 people are getting ahead of that and really sticking with, you know, the training part of it. Because it just benefits the quality of your life going forward. Yeah, but you did call it, like tell me, now that we're 40. We're all in our early 40s. Oh, massive, massive. Oh, bro, it is. I'm like, my buddies like, like, what happened? Like, if I don't see him for five years, and I'll see him like, oh, you got a big pop belly, and you're not moving well at all. Yep. You're only 40, dude. That's not good. So,

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