Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1791: The Best Macro Profile for Building Muscle & Burning Fat, the Minimum Effort Required to Maintain Muscle, How to Enjoy Alcohol & Still Get Shredded & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Be science-based, but NOT science bound! (5:32) New Program Alert! Introducing MAPS Symmetry. (22:37) Are more women lifting heavy in the gym than men? (26:16) Downfalls of being a billionaire. (31:21) Sal is out there creating hype for Caldera. (41:19) Save your money, the aliens are coming! (43:36) Drug releasing contact lenses are near! (46:51) DNA-Based personalized medicine may change healthcare forever. (48:17) LivON Labs: Tastes like it works! (50:25) #ListenerLive question #1 - What is the minimum amount of work needed to keep muscle? (56:25) #ListenerLive question #2 - What is the best macronutrient profile to build muscle and burn fat? (1:07:16) #ListenerLive question #3 - Is alcohol that big of a detriment to fat loss or can I still enjoy a few drinks a week and see results? (1:16:10) #ListenerLive question #4 - Is losing muscle a good strategy in my sport of barrel racing? (1:32:30) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] NEW PROGRAM LAUNCH SPECIAL PROMOTION: Get MAPS Symmetry + 2 free eBooks for $97!! **Promo code SYM50 at checkout** April Promotion: Get MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Prime and Prime Pro all for $99.99! Eugene Teo “Posture” Post Common Knee Surgery May Help No More Than A Fake Operation Mind Pump #1490: How To Improve Your Posture MAPS Prime Pro Webinar MAPS Prime Webinar Mind Pump #1790: The Secret To An Attractive & Functional Body The Resistance Training Revolution – Book by Sal Di Stefano Undercover Billionaire | Discovery Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** UFOs left 'radiation burns' and 'unaccounted for pregnancies,' new Pentagon report claims Novel anti-biofouling and drug releasing materials for contact lenses Matching drugs to DNA is 'new era of medicine' - BBC News Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Androgenic responses to resistance exercise: effects of feeding and L-carnitine - PubMed Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum MP Hormones Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Fitness Anabolic Exercise dosing to retain resistance training adaptations in young and older adults Gym Crafter - Helping you build the perfect home gym! Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Macro Calculator MAPS O.C.R. Mind Pump #1502: How To Drink & Stay Fit MAPS Aesthetic MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere)  Instagram Eugene Teo (@coacheugeneteo)  Instagram Functional Patterns (@functionalpatterns)  Instagram Elon Musk (@elonmusk)  Twitter Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks)  Instagram Peter Linneman | Linneman Associates

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So people actually called in, asked us questions about their fitness health, and we coached them live on air. By the way, if you ever want to be on one of these live episodes with your question, email your question to live at mindpumpmedia.com. Now we opened the episode with an intro. This is where we talk about current events and scientific studies regarding health and fitness.

We talk about some of our sponsors. Today's intro was 52 minutes long after that we got to live questions. So here's what we're down to today's show. We opened up by talking about being science based, but not science bound. Then we talked about the new program that we launched just recently called Maps Symmetry. If you'd like to learn more about maps Symmetry go to maps Symmetry.com. So there's two S's in the middle. And then if you end up wanting to sign up and you want to get the discount price and all the free giveaways, use the code sym50. After that, we had some more fun conversation. We actually talked about the downfalls of being a billionaire. I talked about how the women in the gym seemed to be working out better with weights than the guys these days, which is pretty cool. I talked about how the guy came up to me and awkwardly commented on how nice my skin was. It was a really nice comment, kind of weird though.

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Be science-based, but don't be science-bound. Science is a very effective tool to figure out the truth and what works and what doesn't work, but it is not an ideology or religion becoming science-bound can really cause lots of problems. Was that our good friend Max who said that? Max look at me, I said that quote. Max look at me, I said that quote.

And I loved it so much because I've been trying to communicate that for a long time now. I just didn't have an exceptional quote to really kind of put it all together. And a lot of the examples I'll use and I'll use the obviously the health industry because that's the one that I'm, you know, most privy to. You'll often see people downplay certain herbs or health practices that have hundreds or thousands of years of practice or anecdote or culture, because there isn't a, you know, controlled double-blind placebo study. Yeah.

So I'll say something like, well, this particular supplement, herb like gin-sing or ashwaganda or whatever, has been used for hundreds and hundreds of years for these types of things. They'll say, well, where's the study that shows that it works and I don't really believe it. And it's like, well, anecdote, after hundreds and hundreds of years,

is truth. In fact, I would trust that over a single study because oftentimes single studies don't reveal long-term effects or side effects or whatever. And it's repeatable. Yes, and I hate it when people become dogmatic about science because I can really leave people in the wrong way. And it doesn't take into sometimes nuances and contact. Well, especially in our space, because I feel like in nutrition and exercise, it is so nuanced. I mean, so many of these things, it can't be replicated because of how nuanced it is. And there's so many variables.

So, and I think more so in our space than almost any other space that I can think of when you talk about science. I remember as a trainer and first like starting to piece that together, like looking at studies and then right away I'd read another study that almost like flew right in the face of the study that I just read before. It's like, okay, well then which one's right? Well, technically they both are. You know, one of them is measuring one little bit of a difference.

And it's like, you take, and you see these fitness people that will take something that has truth to it. And they'll run with it and expand beyond it. Yes. Oh, this is what the science says. Therefore, everything is there. Yeah. And it's like, whoa,, like no, it's not that simple. A great, here's a great example.

If you were science bound 20 years ago, the form of exercise that produced the best health effects, the best longevity, the best for weight loss, the best anything that has to do with health would have been steady state cardio. Steadiest state cardio was superior. Now why? We're running in general, that's it.

Now why? It's because strength training, for example, was never studied in that context. It was always studied from a performance standpoint. And the general, the weak studies that they had really looked at extreme cases of strength athletes and extreme athletes, which you never look to those people for longevity or health.

Now 20 years later, scientists and doctors are saying, well, we've said for so long, which is strength training is one of the best ways to improve longevity health. Yeah, it has like the best qualities about it for longevity. But yeah, like you said, it was just never tested in that direction before. No, this conversation kind of reminds me of what we just recently, or you in particular, saw, because it was you who actually took the reins and started going back and forth.

I think I sent it over like, could you see our boy Eugene Tao? Yeah, I don't know. And I sent over the message and then Sal was like, I can't help myself. I have to talk to him. I have to talk about this because I feel like I know, well, I know his intentions. He has two major intentions. Like there are certain people that I know that

he's trying to address that are scammers that are out there that are trying to just get people's money. So I appreciate that. But the other thing he's trying to do is to say something that's controversial that some of us may think is common knowledge, kind of to create attention and argument and debate, which feeds the Instagram algorithm, which gives him more likes, views and people following him. And I can appreciate that. The only thing I don't like about it is you have to be careful because through that process what he did is he confused the shit out of a guarantees of health.

Coach, you always got to keep that top point in point them in the wrong direction because what he did is he confused the shit out of, I guarantee he's a huge hell out of a lot of life. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You always gotta keep that top. And point in point them in the wrong direction because his original statement on there was, if a coach or trainer tells you that they could help correct your posture or improve your posture through exercise along those lines, they're ripping you off, right?

And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? No, and so then there was someone else that commented underneath and brought up studies about exercises to improve posture and the either insignificant or small improvements in pain relief, therefore, it's a waste of time. And that's a great example of being science bound because pain is so complex,

you can't use that as the only metric. In fact, you could give someone, there's studies that show, you could give someone antidepressants and their back pain disappears, or someone could be stressed out or anxious and they experience pain differently, or people who work out, experience pain differently

than people who don't. And you talk to any pain specialist, just how challenging it is to treat pain because it's such a complex thing. So if you use that as your metric, I mean, here's another example. There's a study, and we'll link it, that showed that there were people who got a fake knee surgery and the compared to people who got a real knee surgery. Yeah.

And the people with the fakes knee surgery had just as much pain relief as the people who got the real knee surgery. So, that mean knee surgery is all fake and garbage. No, now I can make a click-bady post and say, knee surgery. So that mean knee surgery is all fake and garbage. No, now I can make a click baby post and say knee surgery. Any doctor tells you need knee surgery. They're ripping you off. It's obviously more complex than that. So him and I went back and forth. And in his comments, he essentially said, oh yeah, it's way more complex. I'm like, well, you got to, you get a correct what you said, dude, because a lot of people people going to hear that immediately jump to it, see the two or three studies, and be like, training to correct postures away.

And the irony is I, he puts out such great content. I see him posting mobility stuff and why fuck around with mobility then. Yeah. I mean, what's your, how do you, how do you reconcile that that you, that you don't want to improve posture? So what's the point of moment, just the improvement, but we're not really trying to fix posture or have more optimal posture.

Like, it reminds me of the camp that also gets all crazy about good bad food. Like it's like, oh, and I know that's what he was attacking, right, that it's bad posture. He's attacking the, the verbiage that some coaches and trainers use to make their point that hey, you have bad posture Oh, well technically we don't know if that's bad posture like marketing It has been negative a right away to pull you in to sell you something

Yeah, which is not the I mean improving posture is just something that will help a lot of people tremendously And it's something that you can focus on And build a you build off of that. So I just don't understand like the angle he's trying to think. I've seen people's posture change dramatically through exercise. I've also seen it. I've also seen it change dramatically through attitude.

You ever watch a depressed kid lighting up and watch their posture change? Lots of things change posture. And posture is quite an important thing. And actually, I just like throw out all of what I learned in biomechanics. Yeah. I just learn about, yeah, like every like optimal position

of the joint and its function, like you can improve these things. Well, the whole like, there's no good or bad. It's very strange. I even said it in the comments. It says it's a very postmodernist like, take like there is no good or bad. It's down actually.

It's all relative. Yeah, no, yeah. It's down actually. It's all relative. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't work that way. Here's the thing though, there's some truth to that. But the problem is like when you're trying to convey something to the general population to get a point across to help them or better them. This is the same thing the same problem I had with way back when the first time that we

addressed him on the on the show with the squat thing. It's not that his statement is necessarily wrong. It's that all I can think about is me as a young kid who's being told that, you know, squats aren't that important. You don't need to do them. It's like, that's all I needed to hear. And then you know what's happening right now is somebody who's got bad posture is hearing that, oh, that's all it's all nuance. It doesn't matter. Now, oh, cool. I'm not going to work on it. Yeah. That's all you're giving the green light for people that should be working on improving their movement patterns

or working on their overall posture. Listen, if you think that fucking sit on an iPad like this all day long for kids and what we're seeing with chronic pain in kids now that we didn't see just two decades ago, if you don't think that has something to do with them having poor posture or less favorable posture. Or with a lead to that posture.

Yes. And then if you think that it would not be ideal to try and correct that or work on that, that's crazy to me. And it's bad advice. No, it's insane. So part of the argument was, well, that's their best posture because that's how their body moves most efficiently. Well, yes, that's why we have movement patterns.

If you always walk on your tippy toes, your body will learn how to do that best, and that becomes your default pattern. That's your most efficient pattern. But does that mean that that is generally the most efficient best pattern for your body? No, we can correct it and train it. I use my body's always looking for that data. You're providing your body with that data every single day. Yes.

How you do something, it's how you do everything. It's how I pick something up. I fall in the default pattern, but guess what? Can I manipulate that pattern? I absolutely can. I can improve that. Every single time I go to attempt it.

Yeah, I use the example of like forward head. And I said, you know, the muscles that support the neck, just through leverage, you have to support a lot more weight when the head is forward. He said, well, is that necessarily a good or bad thing? I said, well, okay. Here's the problem, first off, with some of these studies. You change someone's posture from less favorable,

from more favorable to less favorable. You may not see necessarily more pain or reduce performance necessarily right away, but you follow along and find me a study that goes five or 10 years, right? This is when it starts to become a problem. Also, it's not just about pain, it's how do you feel performance, your energy levels,

like these things all play a big role. So, I mean, I've seen this firsthand myself all the time, but it doesn't make any sense. As you strengthen and train your body, look, athletes, all the time, train with coaches to change movement patterns. Go hiring a running coach. They will watch your running pattern,

and they're not gonna say, well, that's your best running pattern. That's just running harder. They're like, no, no, no, there's a, there's a faster, more efficient way to run. And I know it's awkward for you right now. And it's gonna take us a while to learn this and get your body used to this.

But here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do it. Because ultimately it's more efficient. It's faster and better performance. How is this message any different than healthy at any size? Exactly. This is the same exact message. And it's so frustrating to me because it's not empowering.

It's saying, you know, let's accept just whatever, you know, you're presenting like your health wise is, it is what it is. So you might as well just be happy. Yes. And of course there's nuance. For example, I'll use a good example, like forward shoulder, right? So forward shoulder is typically regarded

as a less favorable posture for your body. Causes more stress on the body. It's not as biomechanically advantageous. It tends to lead to tightness in the upper neck, maybe even tightness in the in the upper mid back, sometimes shoulder issues because the shoulders don't work as optimally when you're pressing or doing other exercises. However, is that posture better if you're a boxer? It can be, you ever watch a boxer fight? You're not supposed to stand with your chest out. You want to have forward shoulder

and cover yourself up, and I've got a nice performance. Correct, completely different. Correct, that's what I mean by the nuance, right? So in certain situations, some postures can be better than others, but we're talking about general population. And when you see someone, look,

I'm not gonna take someone with a crazy anterior pelvic tilt and all of a sudden make them have this perfect anatomical, that's not the point, but the point is I'm going to take some pressure off that extreme posture that they have. And maybe identify why their posture is that particular way. And then look at their movement as a result of that particular posture, it's all connected. Look how much better you look when you stand up, right? Yeah. I mean, I know that's what I mean, that's like, what, you'll forget all the other than that. So it doesn't boost your confidence. Do you guys remember doing this?

I mean, I used to do this as a trainer. I used to, I used to do like this little posture, posture check, right? And get my clients into the topical position and be like, this is, this is how we should be moving. And then I have a stand up in front of the mirror so they could see what they look like. And they right away look like they lost 10 pounds, built some muscle just because they're standing upright with good posture. And you can't tell me that doesn't that doesn't also affect mood and attitude.

When you stand up with your chest high shoulders back, you approach life differently too. So why not work on that just for those reasons too. Yeah. Well, what's funny to me is that they've narrowed down to posture, but they don't, they won't say that about movement. When you talk about movement, the same people are gonna say, oh no, there's better or worse movement.

Obviously, otherwise, exercise form wouldn't exist. There wouldn't be exercise form. You just tell someone, lift that, however you want, whenever it feels comfortable to you, and then that's gonna be totally fine. Is posture connected to movement? Well, posture is a static hold for lack of a better term. You're holding your position somewhat in a static position,

which means some muscles need to be a little tighter, some need to be a little bit more relaxed. It's not completely static, right? Nobody stands like a statue, but it's akin to movement. It's really a part of it. So does one affect the other and vice versa? Yes, absolutely. So these studies that they'll point to,

even the studies that they point to show a small change, but nonetheless, it's like, what happens when your science bound is you take logic and you throw it out. And you're like, no, no, no, this study said that, therefore, what was even the motivation behind the study? Do you know? I mean, they're trying to look at the effects of exercise on posture. And then what that means for pain? Oh, for pain. Yes, for pain for the for the person. I think it's such a trap that a lot of coaches fall into.

Totally. You know, as you get more experienced, more knowledge, you you quickly begin speaking to your peers more than what you probably originally got into this space for. And that's, I always go back to that when I see posts like this from our friends that are really smart guys and girls in the space. But at one point, they, I feel like they start to produce content that is really for the peers. Like what you guys were debating back and forth, the only people that could even hang with that conversation are other coaches and trainers. The other, you know, I don't, I think Eugene's got like 300,000 followers or whatever, right? The other two hundred and 90,000 followers

that are paying their, are completely lost. And they're only picking up on one message. Oh, posture that, the waste of time, right off. Yeah. You're right. So, and so that's, that's the problem that I have is that, you know, and honestly, it would serve them more if they realize this. They realize that you're speaking in a little echo chamber.

You see all the comments underneath it, too. There are all other coaches that are, you know, supporting with studies also. And it's like, it's a study support session. It's like, and then you got to think of who all the clients you trained, all of them, how many of them are engaging in that conversation? None. They're coaches. There are other coaches that want to sound smart

that are either going to agree and use studies to support or trainers that want to sound smart and counter his point with other studies. And that is just a big jerk off. Tell me, tell me that is not the bane of new trainers. The new smart trainers, that's not one of the biggest weaknesses. Oh yeah as they get stuck in the literature. Nusia, you know, I remember getting confronted with this

as a trainer myself. I remember having a client, you know, I almost fell into this trap. I had a client who he was a doctor and he did the doctors without borders, is where they volunteer their time, they go all over the world and they help, you know, people out whatever.

Very nice guy, I love this guy, he's still a good friend of mine. And he always had some issues with digestion and we couldn't really quite figure it out and energy and otherwise, eight healthy was active, nothing out of the ordinary. So it was just something we couldn't really figure out. Anyway, he traveled somewhere

far corner of the world, lived with a tribe and ate a pretty much vegan diet, okay? Comes back and he goes, I feel amazing. Now, the science says true that vegans suffer from higher rates of nutrient deficiencies. We obviously evolved eating meat for exercise performance. The studies will show it tends to be superior, I will well plant omnivore diet versus a well-planned vegan diet,

blah, blah, blah, blah. So I was almost like skeptical, but at the end of the day, I had a guy in front of me who says, and I know the guy, and he feels good eating this way. So I said, well, that's weird. You are stronger. You do seem to have better performance. This never happens with any clients I've worked with.

Let's follow along and see what happens. And it turns out that he just, his body worked better that way. But if I was science bound, I would have pushed against it and maybe convinced him even to not listen to his body. So that's the big point. I feel like, I feel like you were, because normally you don't engage in that stuff, but I feel like you were extra fired up

because we literally just created a program to help people in this direction. Oh, it's top of mind. Yeah, it was, it was just like, I feel like that was a shot across the bow right there. And he didn't even know. He doesn't know, right? He has no idea that we just created this program called

simm-it map symmetry. And it's literally trying to help people balance out. Yeah, well, yeah, well, map symmetry does that, but it's, you know, it's also what's a lot more than that. Yeah, but I know that's a component of it. And so I would just think, I mean, look, a lot of our programs, when we create the programs, that's a consideration. We're always considering how is this gonna affect someone's movement and muscle recovery? Christopher Average person.

Absolutely. Yeah, not your super athlete or bodybuilder or somebody that's like a gym rat. Thank you, you like Average person. Like on the DMs I get on the regular, I was literally where you're on this morning, from people that have taken the advice from us on our Prime Pro and literally just followed that webinar

for the last couple of years. Yeah. How much it's like changed their lives. Oh, Adam, I'm paying free now. I've never been on the squat this. Oh my God, I'm so glad I found you guys and I feel so crazy to me. It's like that person. You can't consider an end of it. I just feel like that person, you know, that same type of a person in that same place two, three years ago, comes across a post like that that you gene it and is now like, oh, well, maybe I shouldn't fuck around and waste my time with that. And then, no, and here's the irony, right? Like, it's almost like people think you're, there's a,

there's a, a line and I either create a program that maximizes muscle growth and aesthetics and fat loss, or I create one that makes me move better and feel better and I have to choose. The truth is, the ones that are the most effective long-term to build muscle, burn body fat, make you look good, take very strong consideration of getting you to move better. They work together, right? So map symmetry is like that. We created this program and first off, the goal is to develop a symmetrical ball balanced physique. So it's the first and only program I've ever seen where unilateral training is the core foundation of the workout. The foundation really is getting each side to connect the same.

Balance things out, create mirror form between right and left, balance the upper and lower body, how to really build a super balanced, aesthetic looking and functional physique through, the goal of symmetry. That's what the program is really all about. Well, and again, to kind of, if the jab initially was at like a lot of the mobility gurus out there that just stay in the body weight, mobility training forever.

That's the other stream. Right? This is one of those things where we consider too. You don't have to be there forever. This is another way you can mobilize the joint, stabilize and control, uh, uh, by also, like going through loaded exercise. Well, there's a, there's a, there is a segment of, of our, you know, coaching space that is exactly that. They're super mobility, gurus, and they want to scare everybody into thinking that from doing any strings. Yeah, like like you're compressing the spine. That one guy that

one guy is an example of this that we used to talk about way back when functional patterns get him on and he wouldn't he wouldn't get on a plane. It was weird. Yeah, like so he's extreme and yes and good information. Yes, another smart guy with really good information, but then just, you know, is using that same tactic. And so I can appreciate that point. But again, you're talking about a very small segment of people that are probably listening. Well, hey, proof in the pudding, map symmetry ends with five by five bilateral barbell strength muscle building. That's the final phase in map symmetry. So there's your wood.

And all this work lead to, right? Like let's now test it. Hey, look, try it out for yourself and see. And you'll be like, oh yeah, the guys know what they're talking about. You know, hilarious. Hey, speaking of exercise and stuff, I have to say something that I have noticed that I is different than anything else I've ever noticed in in gyms.

I've obviously lived in gyms for most of my life. It's actually quite funny, right? I've been working out in gyms since I was 16. So I've actually been in gyms more than I've, I've not. And you guys, I know it's very similar. I feel very at home. You, you're probably the one that slept in the gym the most. I actually did.

I did it when I worked there. I would sleep there a couple of times. But I, you know, I grew up there and you noticed patterns. Just like you guys,, we walk into a gym and we immediately feel comfortable and we know what's happening and it's just somewhere we'll comfortable with. And I'm noticing a very interesting,

and I can't speak for every gym, this is just the one I'm going to, this is over at ClubSport, is that I'm seeing more women lift heavy and properly than men, more. I'm in the women lift heavy and properly than men. More. I'm in the fruity weight area and the girls doing the... Well, let's start by saying that women, I think,

all of, I've always trained with better form than men. I think that's been... But it's never been dominant in the free weight area. For me at least, I've never seen that. I feel like it's, I mean, we've been watching this happen. You're right. I mean, it's been a, it's, it's, it was ego in their lifts. That's true.

I mean, coaching, I've always enjoyed coaching a woman more than coaching a guy. Coaching a guy is always a pain in the ass. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's hard for them to get out of their own way where, like, uh, most of my female clients, they would focus first on form. And then I would be the one to be pushing them weight. Guys would be the reverse. Guys like, let's do more. I can do more. Yeah, let's do more than, let's first on form, and then I would be the one to be pushing them way. Guys would be the reverse.

Guys like, let's do more. Let's do more. Yeah, let's do more than a minute. Oh, let's focus on form. We can control this first. Yeah, so I think that for the most part, you know, women, women I think personally tend to have better form.

Well, it's not just that. It's that for so long, the fear of building too much muscle, being too big, right? Kind of kept women out. And so they were usually dominate the cardio area. But I mean, you know how in clubs for it, there's that downstairs, like functional power lifting,

they got the platforms, they have a reverse hyper, they got the grass. So I'm in there and there's literally, I think there's like two or three guys and like six women. And I'm varying ages, like, you know, middle aged down to in their 20 like, you know, middle aged down to in their 20s, you know, and there was even a woman who looked like she was in her 50s.

And the women were doing like bench press, but not like just bench press, like feet planted, back arch, shoulders back, power lifting style bench press, military presses, I saw barbell rows, I saw one arm Arnold presses. Meanwhile, I see the dudes doing like, you know, swinging curls and like, you know, swinging curls and like, you know, cable, weird shit, you know.

Yeah. Then I go upstairs and it's the same. I see similar stuff. The cage, there were two women in their front squatting, front squatting across the show. And I'm like, this is incredible. Like has the, has the revolution spread? Yeah.

This is so amazing. Yeah, I just feel like I've been made in gym in a while, so that's interesting. Oh, dude, how's that? Yeah, how's that been for you? Cause you're the first one to go back. I love it. You know what I love about it?

I love working out my garage too. I just can't, cause I work out at six and I'd end up waking the baby cause he's right upstairs. I should have freaking planned it better and picked a different place to live in. So anyway, you need a shed outside or something. I need a separate, I do.

I swear to God, one day my dream house, I'm gonna have a gym shed, a gym on the property. And it's gonna be ridiculous and scary. No one's gonna go in there, I do. I swear to God, one day my dream is, I'm gonna have a gym shed. A gym on the property. And it's gonna be ridiculous and scary. No one's gonna go in there but me. But anyway, I love it because of the, the steam room in the sauna. And because they have so many machines

and I never use machines that I'm going through an entire cycle of just straight up body building machine work, really give my joints a little bit of a break. It also encourages me to go lighter. I have a tendency to try to push it a little hard with the weight, but when I'm using machines, I'm much more likely to go light and feel that stuff.

So it's just different. It's very novel for my body. So I think I'll be doing this for the next few months and then probably go back to how I train traditionally. You know what else they have? I said earlier reverse hyper when's the last time you guys use my Reverse hyper that was when I used to do Consistently when I was at NorCal because they actually had one I was gonna buy it from my house when I was Experiencing a lot back pain because it's another great way

Yeah, it's to build up strength support there for your lower back Oh, it's the best I mean I was doing. And I could feel how I have to articulate my spine a little better and isolate my hips. And it was, it's hard for me. I'm not even able to use much resistance. And I'm like, this Simmons, and he invented the rest in peace. Yeah. Dean, did he invent it? Yeah. Do you do it so much that I was like, I'd going through, you know, after he passed, like, just seeing his impact was like enormous. Oh, his impact on strength training was just that guy was a character. You guys know, he was at 74, 75 when he died.

Oh, really? He was still squatting like crazy. Bro, he was using an high dose, high dose, two zone admissions, anabolic steroids since he was 20 or something like that. Yeah. So he made it to like 75, you know, that's just a testament to exercise. And must have offset all the other shit to keep him alive that long.

What was the cause? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what he died of. Did you read that dog? I saw everyone posting about it the last week or whatever it was. Huge impact on the, you know, strength sport

and this, you know, power, the thing and stuff like that. Well, right before we got on air, we are actually having an interesting conversation that I wanted to finish and we got interrupted is that you don't want to be a billionaire. You get both. So we're too much judgment. Just shy, we're divvying out your money already

that when you get to a place where you start. We'll start the Adam funds. You know what, being a billionaire comes with so much scrutiny and pressure both politically and people just look to you differently that I don't know if I'd want that and I don't know if your lifestyle, okay, maybe other people. My lifestyle wouldn't be different

if I had a hundred million versus a billion. I don't know what that hide by or do with a billion. Well, I don't just be different. What about like, okay, so if you had to pick one, obviously you're gonna pick Elon Musk, but like a Richard Branson or like somebody else that's like doing cool shit with it. Yeah, like who would you pick?

I don't know. I mean, what cool shit? I don't know what cool shit. What would I do? You guys know me? Well, I'm in the space race. I love it. I know that you are you out of all of us. You're the one that wants to start a charity or a non-thing. That's appealing sooner than the rest of us. And I mean, from what I've heard, okay, because I don't know a lot of billionaires, but when you reach that level, it no longer becomes about making money. You have so much money that you're taking care of your family's taking care of. Now it's really, what kind of impact can you make in the world? And I kind of feel like that's right in your wheelhouse of, I mean, how great would that

be? You can do big things. Yeah, we're all wide. Yeah. Or why is like, how can I really, you know, leave a mark and really change? Not really, right. And so I think that that frees that up when you're at that point. We want good people to have that kind of influence, you know, like that kind of power.

And I think that's why like Elon Musk, like has really shown, you know, like some of his latest moves has been like, wow, you can do cool things, you know, with that kind of thing. You know, this, this is why I really like that. And I wish I would watch the undercover billionaire because it, you know, there's this like idea of like billionaires or these, you know, money, hungry assholes, like super if they had privileged and people just gave them. Yeah.

And you want, I mean, I can't help but notice that, uh, no, they, sometimes you'll see that they're ultra confident. And sometimes people will receive that as cocky and arrogant and some like that. But then you watch them interact with people. I know it's a show, whatever. But I mean, like you still see some things that, you know, nobody is coaching them to talk that way or interact with disciplines and characteristics. Yes. They're just like, wow, I see why you're so successful.

Yes. And they're admirable. No, it's true. And it's true. They don't get highlighted because right now we have this weird time, I feel like maybe billionaires and millionaires were celebrated two decades ago or something, but now they're not. It's like, it's like shameful.

It's like shameful to that. Yeah, it doesn't make it. If you made your millions or your billions through the market, it means you've produced something that people value enough that they voluntarily give you their money. So you've actually provided a tremendous amount of value to a lot of people. And that's for the most part commendable. Now, I know sometimes what people want can be distractions and alcohol and shit. I get that, so I'm not trying to be too generous, I'm not trying to say that's perfect.

But nonetheless, for the most part, you've produced something of so much value to so many people that they've said, please take my money, what you've done is so valuable that I wanna do this. I mean, that's it, for the most part, that's good. That's what you want. So, no, I agree. And what you said, it's interesting, I had a, for the most part, that's good. That's what you want. So, uh, no, I, I, I agree.

And what you said, what it's interesting, I had a conversation with Jessica about this last night, uh, exactly this conversation. And I found, um, I wrote this a long time ago about this nonprofit that I wanted to do. And it was a big, this was an idea I had it for a long time. I forgot all about it. And it was that I would, I wanted to figure out a way to connect coaches and trainers with people who are either going through cancer treatment or who survived and have beat cancer because I had a personal connection to that. And I wanted to figure out some kind

of a charity or something. I actually wrote out, I remember writing this out, where coaches and trainers can be connected to people to help them through exercise rehab and the value that that would bring. And it was just something that was personal to me. I don't know what that would look like. Arthur Brooks did say though that he helps people create nonprofits. I'm going to talk to him and see what the hell. Because I have no idea.

It feels like such a complicated thing. I love Arthur. I mean, I know he doesn't talk about economics as much, but he's an economist and one of my favorite economists next to my other one, which is Peter Linneman, who I listened to. Yeah. So you're saying he's saying that there's no recession coming. We're going to crush.

No, no, no, no, no, he didn't say that. No, he didn't. No, no, no, no, no, he didn't say that. He's just very bullish about the economy right now and in the next couple of years. Oh, really? Yeah. No, he's just, he thinks that it's that it's gonna we're gonna continue to see Prosperity right now and his logic behind that is what the GDP has grown over you know

Year over year over year for so long and that we from that lockdown It you know basically took it to a screeching hold and right now we're trending like on average I think it's 2.5% GDP growth year over here. And after we had that huge surge right now of like 3.5% or so with that. And he just, and he goes, but when you look at that over the course of three years, we're actually already a little lower than average. And he goes to average that back out, you're going to see it, you're going to see it continue staying in this, he thinks in this kind of three, three and a half percent until it levels back down in the, in the two and a half percent until it levels back down in the two and a half percent. Of course, there'll be a quote unquote mini recession to bring it back down to that 2.5 or you know, 2 percent. But he doesn't think it's going to go down below where we were before everything

else. I mean, yeah, based off of the, if you could, if we were to continue to grow GDP by three and a half percent the next two years that even if we took a dive, we would still be a head of. Was he taking into account or did he, did he calm down? It's supply and demand is what he, he's like, it's instead of getting over, getting, making it too complex, he's like, it's, it's just as simple as supply and demand and and add in when you infuse that much money. And we still, his, his theory is that we have not even come close to seeing the effects of all that money. So does he think there's going to be more inflation then? Well, so yes. But the Fed will try and tamp that down by increasing rates.

Did he bring up the people talking about potential food shortages coming up because of the war? Well, that's all part of what's driving the inflation. That's also the demand is so high. Everybody still wants all that. And so until we have a supply that is, the supply has been lacking. So, it's a substantial thing.

I hate, you know what I hate about? I hate about what I hate about this is that, like you tend to want to believe the person that makes you feel better about your own beliefs. I know I find myself doing that. I remember clearly, we all remember the 2008 crash, was one of the big, it was the, it was the, what they called the great recession, right? And everybody panicked and it was,

it was pretty bad for a lot of people. I remember literally the year before, or even the months leading into it, people were like, this is, it's never gonna go down. We're crushing this, there was, who was it? It was the, the, the, the Fed chairman at the time.

Yeah. You talk literally like six months before., there's no indications of any issues. It's going to continue to grow. I mean, I intentionally listened to both sides, right? I'm, I'm always thinking of somebody who's like the, I mean, I've been listening to this one guy who's been, you know, yelling like we're going to see, oh, wait, crash or worse. And I like him. He's got a lot of good information.

And so, but I intentionally listened to him because he's on the other extreme. Does he know one of those that sells gold? Yeah, yeah. And he does, no, he, this one doesn't. But yeah, I know Peter Schiff is very much so like. The Schiff is a big on gold. The sky is falling. You know what's interesting about the last recession

that we had was in 2012 was a record time for affordability for houses. Of course. In 2012. I mean, I still wouldn't have thought that. I think I'm about over the last 20, 30 years or like that. I thought that was really interesting. There was 79% of United States, homeowner, or people that could buy homes, right?

Could afford homes at that time. You know what's funny about that? After 08, I remember also seeing this being in the Bay Area. House prices crashed everywhere, including the Bay Area. Always, of course, the Bay Area is more expensive than most places, but they did drop quite a bit. I remember people, smart people coming in, and buying everything, buying everything.

I remember being like, but everything's crashing. Obviously, they were smart, because everything, not only did it come back, but it went back. Well, I think that's how he, that's his theory too, of how the money's gonna come out, right? Because we still have, after, that's how he, that's his theory, too, of how the, the money's going to come out, right? Because we, we still have, after, I don't know how many trillions of dollars that we, we printed, but we haven't spent all of that. And there's a lot of people that are waiting for that correction or that little mini recession to happen, which is, you know, his, in his theories 60 to 90 day, we'll

see that. And then you're going to, all you're going to see is these people aggressively start buying again, especially when you look at where the interest rates are. I mean, it's going to be right for right now. It's going to, you know, at the end of this year, it'll probably be four and a half, maybe five at the highest. It's still, it's still low. When I bought my first house, my, I had a, I had a two out of 80 20 split loan and it weighed 9 and 13%. So in average of 11%. Do you know how high interest rates were when the in the 80s when the 80s was crazy 15 17% so you know you had to and that's how people most people looking at like that

they're payment you know can I afford this they don't think of like oh the house is $200,000 more it's like can I afford this monthly payment and I already told you guys I think the other thing they're going to do to stimulate the economy is going to be to do the 40 year mortgage so as so you know there's there is parts of me that that believe I know we have we have slowed down dramatically and I do think a correction is coming. I think they're I think we're going to see it at the end of this year and the next year. But after listening to lineman, I was just really surprised how how bullish he was still. I mean, his thing that he said is like I wouldn't bet against the US economy.

I wouldn't have you know, everybody said how, he like, if I would have told you all the things that happen, you know, in 2019 or 2020, all that was gonna happen. And where we'd be at right now with things, would you have predicted that? Who's like, hell, nobody would have. Nobody would have thought that. Speaking of demand, I think I created some demand

for Caldera today at the gym. So I was, so, hey, so quick question. What are appropriate things that guys can compliment you on? And what are things that feel weird when you can compliment it on by a guy? You're looking jacked, look, I'll take that. Yeah, that's okay, right? That's a specific body part, that gets a little weird.

Yeah, like you have really nice hamstrings. Yeah, kind of weird. Your glutes are real big now. So I'm in there, right? I finished steam. And there's this older guy that's, and he's very talkative, nice dude. So if I see him, we bullshit a little bit.

And I'm done with the steam. I come out and I take my cold shower. And then I'm sitting in front of the mirror with my talarami and I have my caldera out. And I'm gonna put the oil on my skin. So I take it out, open it, put some on my skin rub it in and it out, open it, put some on my skin, rub it in, and he goes, huh, what's that?

So it's this face serum or whatever, it's really good to go, that's why you have such a nice skin. He goes, you know, I was thinking that, like, you've got really nice skin. I'm like, I feel uncomfortable a little bit about that. I mean, I know the guy, like, you're a surpreting in your gym bag and hustling, huh? I'm just starting swinging.

Yeah. Yeah. No, so he has to see the bottle bring your trash cut. No, he has to see the bottle and I showed him the bottle and we started talking about it and I'm like, no, it works really well. I said my skin's oily, but it actually balances out and I said I have friends who dry skin that works really well. But I remember feeling weird like because he goes, you know, it's different right?

He goes, man, your arms are big. It's so nice. Yeah, I'm like, thanks, thanks, thanks for the compliment. Yeah, I, man, your arms are big. It's so nice. Can I touch it? Yeah, I'm like, thanks, thanks for the combo. Okay. Yeah, I've been noticing your skin. You've got really nice skin. Huh?

Yeah. Come on, dude. Well, I was getting a compliment. Adam's like, beard's super shiny. I don't know if you've been doing that. Do you put in your beard? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, no, I love to put it in my beard too. Yeah. I just wonder if I do the whole thing. You know, like, like, glistening. It does. Look at that. Listen to all of of your body. Is that from?

No, that's uncomfortable. Is it coming to America? Oh, is that what's water glistening all of your body? What is that from? That's so glow. That's my favorite. When they have this so glow in the hernia. Man, that's what your family is crazy.

What is that from? I think it's coming to America. It might be. Yeah, we'll go with that. Yeah. No, the solo one's funny because then they're all sitting up against the wall and the cloth and the oil. It's really just stained.

There's a oil slick on there. Oh man, just hilarious. Anyway, I got some cool studies to share with you guys. Oh, but you have to talk about the alien UFO recent stuff. Oh shit. Have you seen that before that? Well, I saw the Joe Rogan post, but I didn't go, I'm not like you guys where you guys see us so there's a freedom of information or

That's powers of articles. There's so there's some call the freedom of somebody's got to pay attention at them Yeah, no, I appreciate I'm not that's not me. It's not me at all It just goes to show you how crazy times are with news comes out like this and it's like I'm all worry about the economy for us We don't go back. You guys keep me informed on the you a false air. We'll keep the pulse and the alien invasion Okay, like thank us later save your money the aliens are coming. Paul Sarah, we'll keep the Pauls and the alien invasions. Okay, like thank you later. Sav your money, the aliens are coming. Okay, you got to bet. Speaking of aliens coming, I heard that, you know, there's reports of being pregnant.

That's part of it. What? So, freedom of information's act is an act that requires classified information to be released after a certain period of time. So some of this information got released and these are reports of people getting brain damage, having unexplained, being pregnant, unexplained, and there was some male skin burns. Radiation, yeah, so naturally aliens.

Is that how we go there? D-fold. But, yeah, no, that's the funny part. Like, I wonder if some women's, like, she don't have a husband. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck do I wonder if some some women's like she don't husband What the fuck did I deny? There was a slight and then yeah, I was pretty light about the first one and said it was God Give me what do I say with the second? Oh, I think they probe you ain't only

Yeah, that's see that's what I say it's anal probably tell me okay tell me more about this So they these are reports I actually didn't know that. So, they're, I didn't know what. The freedom act you said, what you call freedom of information act. Freedom of information. So is that, is that relatively new? I didn't know that.

I didn't know we had. No, they passed that. I want to say 10 years ago, I don't know if Doug can look it up. That's how we get all this crazy information from like the, well, okay, so FBI, CIA, like all these, like, that's why I was wondering why all of a sudden this stuff is servicing. I was like, why are we all said, you know, I'm always thinking like, okay, so FBI CIA like like all these like that's why I was wondering why all sudden this stuff is servicing is like why are we all sudden you know I'm always thinking like okay what's the what's the desired outcome here or distraction or whatever that but I didn't know

this was in place where they they have to release and is it just like a certain time frame? Yeah, like 10 years ago 1966 that's when it came out? Yep. Oh, shit. That's like 50 years in it. So, 55 years. So, 55 years. Every 55. So, I mean, it's 55 years ago. Okay. Does it say how long, like, how before you're able to then as public be able to reach?

Okay. So, it says, any person has a right, enforceable in court to obtain access to federal agency records, except to the extent that such records are protected from public disclosure by one of nine exemptions. Okay. So this is why sometimes you'll get a free information, like report, you ever seen these reports that come out. This was just released and like everything's blacked out. Yeah, except for like a few words.

Yeah. Well, that's well, thanks. So okay, it has to be in court. It's not like, I mean, is that, yeah, I think you have to request it. Yeah, well, that's a little thing. So, okay, it has to be in court. It's not like, I mean, is that... Yeah, I think you have to request it. Like, I want to see this or I want to see that. I don't know, was that old? I thought it was something that was a little, it was newer.

Anyway, these are reports of people that they investigated and they couldn't explain it. Well, yeah, they had radiation burns. We don't know how they got radiation burns. Yeah. Or, yeah, this brain damage, you know, start happening to unexplained. We don't know.

Aliens though, I don't knowplained. We don't know aliens though I don't know But they said it was fun to think Yeah, all right back to back to cool studies. They're coming out with drug-releasing contact lenses Drug-releasing so like drips in your eye. Yeah for allergies So people will put these contact lenses out of your zirkel immediately.

I know, you got excited for them. So you put these contact lenses on and it's anti-allergy directly in your eye. And of course, the technology is they're looking at more potential applications for these particular types of contact lenses. Is that fascinating? Releases, like it's a time release.

Something like that. I don't know how technology works, but that's what I, that's, that sounds crazy. Is there a good absorption through the eye? Is that like a, uh, for organ that's really good for like absorbing nutrients? For eye allergies, yes. I don't know how they would deliver other drugs that way, but what's, in now speaking of which, there's also. How's that thinking about cocaine and context?

Is it LSD sometimes putting the eye? Oh, yeah, you're right. I didn't know that. That's true. I remember seeing that in a movie. I've never done that. I've never done that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's never done that. No, I know that's very interesting. That's true. So I bet you could. Is that because they would drop it in the eye? You could. I remember watching a movie where someone did that. So a friend told you also, huh? No. No. First of all, if I ever heard, if I ever tried a psychedelic, the last thing I would do is do it in a weird way.

I mean, like it's already, I'm already scared. I'm not gonna do it in a weird way. I'm already nervous. Then there's some other, some other scientists coming out where they're starting to develop drugs where they will test your DNA to find the most efficacious combination or types of drugs for your body because there are certain instances where some drugs which work very

well for some people can cause adverse effects and other people or no effects. For example, pain relievers like coding don't work at about 5% of the population at all. So they have to find and the only way you know is if you test it. Or like a higher amount. Like I know for redheads, like in terms of like pain medication, it's, you gotta like double the dose almost. That's true. Katrina says she claims that she gets nothing but nightmares

from that. Opiates? Yeah. Me neither. Same thing. Yeah. She's like, I don't feel any pain relief at all, and all I get is nightmares.

Yep. Wow, that's, isn't that weird? Look at this. all and all I get is nightmares. Yep. Wow. That's in that weird Who do this? But she's not the first person I've heard say that I've heard other people say the same thing to the genetic code Here's another one. So the the genetic code of one in 500 people puts them at a high risk of losing their hearing if they take particular types of antibiotics But the only way to know is if you give them the antibiotic. So what they're trying to develop are DNA tests that will help them identify so that they don't have these types of accidents. Here's another one. 5% to 7% of people would have a bad reaction to a particular HIV drug some have actually

died because of it. So this is phenomenal science where they'll be able to test your DNA because one of the challenges with lots of drugs Especially drugs that affect the psyche like antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications You talk to anybody who's had to go through the process of finding the right Antisacotic or anti-anxiety or you know Basically drugs that help that affect the the psyche and they'll tell, it took me two or three years to find the right combination. Yeah, I think that's it.

It's all trial and error. Like imagine if we could erase that long period of shitty combinations where I felt like a zombie, oh my God, I felt like killing myself. Like these are a lot of pain actually here. Here's some nightmares. Yeah, there you go. Thanks, thanks Doc.

Thanks. What the fuck? That's exactly what that brings me with that. So I have a confession and our partners over it, live on labs, we'll appreciate this. So I thought I had tried them all. I obviously had not because I asked you the other day about the uptake on creative.

And is that what it is? The alpha-lipobic acid helps speed up the uptake or absorb more? Yes, you absorb more creatine when you take alpha-lipobic acid with it, which is great because the other way to do it will be to take a bunch of sugar. So instead of taking a bunch of sugar,

you could use alpha-lipobic acid. Yeah, so I used it yesterday after my workout, and it actually tastes good. I know. It's the only one to say. Yeah, why is that one taste good and all the rest of them? No, not so for a...

Because some things taste good and some things taste bad. They don't, they don't go consistently. The other ones are not good. Because they're, because their goal isn't to make a taste. I know that. I'm, that's why I say it tastes like it works. So I have all that.

That's, that should be their tagline. Taste like it works. Yeah. It's, it's efficacious, right? But this one actually tastes good. I thought there was something in it special that made it taste like that. I don't know what, what's in alpha-lipobic acid? That's, I think it's, well, they, they might like that. I don't know. What's in alpha-lipoc acid?

I think it's, well, they might add a little something, but I think it's the alpha-lipoc acid itself that tastes. You mild. It has a taste that's, what else would you find that in? Is there an ink where we would find that in some? I don't know. Because it has a taste that I recognize. Like, where have I had this?

That was gonna make a bad joke. This is, please don't. Save it. Save it. Save it. You don't wanna know what this comes from. I'm gonna look good up. Wow. I'm doing that.

High amount of alpha-academy. I have to fuck that up my fingers. I didn't know you were that much into whales. The whales seem to contain a lot of alpha-academy. That's where I was going. Very strange. Another supplement that they have is their alchornatee. Yeah.

A Cedal-alchornatee. That's their Elkharnitine. Yeah. A Cedal Elkharnitine. Now that's traditionally in pre-workouts. Yeah. And what one of my favorite things about that is it increases Androgen receptor density. All right. What does that mean? Your Androgen receptors are what your testosterone attached to. And studies have actually shown that Androgen receptor density has a much higher impact on your ability to build muscle and strength than your testosterone levels do. They actually did a big study where they

took a bunch of men who didn't have extreme levels of low levels of testosterone. So it was like, you know, somewhere in the middle, but there was a range between like, you know, low middle to high. And they want to see if those testosterone levels were correlated to strength and muscle gain. They also tested them all for angiogen receptor density. Yeah. Angiogen receptor density was a far better predictor. Oh, I remember when Dr. Rand shared this. Right.

He told you that, didn't he? He did originally. Yeah, he said that to me actually because of how, you know, I had a lot of side effects from low testosterone, but some didn't, I didn't have that big of a side effect. And he said, well, you might have more angiogen receptor density in your body. So, testosterone, so anyway, supplementing with receptor density in your body. So, testosterone.

So anyway, supplementing with it, we'll increase your energy and receptor density thus making your, whatever your testosterone is, more effective. So if I'm taking that synthetically right now, is there, is it still valuable for me to use that? What do you mean? Would it be still?

Still a testosterone? No, yeah, well, I'm taking testosterone. Oh, yeah. So is it still valuable to, okay. Yes. So whatever you're using will be more effective, right? If we can increase your angiogen receptor density by 10%, your, I mean, for lack of, I guess this is very general, but essentially you're gonna have 10% more.

And that's the alkanateen. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, alkanateen does that. So you should have done that all together. Speaking of which, you probably could have told me that one of the last things. Speaking of which, as of the airing of this episode, I'm holding speaking of which, as of the airing of this episode,

I'm holding information. Doug, as of the airing of this episode, when's the next live like Q&A in our hormone forum? Is it tomorrow? That is correct. Okay, so we dropped this episode tomorrow, you can go on Facebook, and is it mind pump hormones?

Yes. Yes, mind pump hormones on Facebook. Okay, so it's a group, it's not private, anybody can join. We got Dr. Todd in there.'s a group. It's not private. Anybody can join. We got Dr. Todd in there. And then Dr. Todd goes in there and answers whatever questions people have about hormones or about hormone replacement therapy or about peptides. And this is the company that we work with.

He's one of the doctors there. And if you want like a consultation, well, they'll go through and do all the tests. That's different. That's mphormones.com. Right. So that's April 13th at 5 p.m. Pacific. 5 p.m. Pacific. Thanks, Doug. I didn't say that time.

Awesome. How long is it? When is our, when's the launch for our program end? Yeah. On Sunday, this coming Sunday. Oh, right. So right now, map symmetry brand new program, you can get it. So it'll retail for 177. And the sale price is a lot less, right? 97 bucks. 97 bucks. 97 bucks, but you, so you get it for 97 and then what you also get included for free are

the reverse dieting 101 ebook, which we're going to sell for 47, but that's free. And then an isometrics ebook, which will also sell for 47, but you're going to get that for free. So 97 get map symmetry and those two ebooks included and it's all at maps symmetry.com. So there's two S's in the middle. And is there a code or is that going to be a S.Y.M. 50 and the first time that we've ever done a launch like this where we've given away this much stuff. So and those two books are fired. Oh, they're great. Absolutely. They're legit book. They're legit. They're not like standard pages. Yeah. No, no, they're e-books by themselves. So.

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bit. I'm 51. I've been training six days a week religiously for the last five to six years. The first couple of that were kind of good training and I've been training six days a week religiously for the last five to six years. The first couple of that were kind of good training. And I've been doing mass programs for the last probably three years. I started training because of a chronic pain condition and it turns out, oddly enough, the resistance training was the only thing that helped me. Wow. So now I've gone from being sedentary overweight, outactive to being extraordinarily active.

So the reason I want to change my training is over the winter, I decided to really double down and just dial everything in strength training wise. So I did an abbreviated version of anabolic and abbreviated version of performance and I've got a week and a half left in aesthetic. And some of the time I find myself now so busy with activity that I just want to do the least possible weight training over the next six months to not lose anything. I know I hear Sally you talk about, you know, it's hard to put on muscle but it's easy to

maintain and I hear Adam talk about, you know, what's the least amount of input to elicit the greatest amount of response. And I'm wondering how you put those two things together to kind of just maintain my strength over the next six months. And for me, I really want to strength train every, you know, six days a week. I already start my day with the mobility. I start like 15 minutes of prime pro. And then about a 45 minute walk with my dog, but it's just been so life-changing for me.

I want to do it. I don't know what I need to do. What I do know is I should never program for myself. It'll become, it'll become, you know, two maps program stacked on top of each other if I do it for myself. So I'm kind of wondering what your input is on kind of a maintenance plan for the next six months. Well, I think we need a first reconcil.

You're, I so it sounds like you, you really want to still train six days a week though. I mean, yeah, you said the summer months, you want to work out last like, or you do. Yeah, so I want to be able to, you know, what I was thinking is maybe like, if I went in and did some you know did like 15 minutes like work and then 15 minutes of Farmers carries or if I did you know 20 or 30 minutes of kettlebell work. Oh, okay

So you enough to touch it and I don't want to jump back in next winter and have lost a lot of ground Oh, I see so you want to go to the gym six days a week. You just want to be able to do less way less Okay, yeah, the gym six days a week. You just want to be able to do less way less. Oh, okay. Yeah, the gym's in my garage. So that's a, I would, I would no more skip the gym than I would skip shower in a bushing with you. So it's just a part of my day. Love that.

Oh, yeah, dude. We can have some fun here. Yeah, this is where we can get into some skills training and some, you know, some unique lifts, too. When you talk about like Turkish get-as we talk about, you know, windmills and some of these unique lifts that like a lot of people don't ever incorporate. This is a perfect time.

That's totally what went through my head. You're on the exact same page that I'm just and I'm I'm envisioning like a map, Santa Ballack type of routine. And then the other three days that you're coming to the gym, it's maybe some trigger session with like a movement and like that movement be Turkish get up one day, another day it's farmer carries. Then it sounds like you were already kind of thinking in this direction. And I love that. Well, I wanted to maybe not because I did look at maybe taking like a map Santa

Pollock and just splitting it up so I could just do a portion of the because I don't, I'm so busy in the summertime. I literally I'm putting in 10 to 15 miles a day, I'm hiking, I'm climbing, I'm disc golfing, I'm doing lots of stuff. Yeah. So I, I want to cut down the times as much as possible. So if I could get, you know, if I may be split anabolic into, you know, six different sessions and not do trigger sessions, or I love that too. I do that. I do that right now. That's very similar to how I train right now is I follow a map Santa Ballot type protocol. Like last week I trained five days, but what I did was I took the three days of training

of Santa Ballot can kind of just disperse to it over those five days. So yeah, I mean, the cool part about this is that there's a lot of different options that you can do and it's really kind of what I think that you enjoy the most. That's most important. I love the fact that you've made working out in your garage a, you know, like brushing

your teeth or showering. And I never want to tell a client who's built that system like that for themselves and consistency to say, hey, you should really take, you know, three days off and stop working out like, no, you should really take, you know, three days off and stop working out like, no, awesome. Just let's modify what it looks like. And your idea of splitting anabolic is totally cool. Your idea of just doing maybe farmer carries. I mean, they're neither one of them wrong answers.

Yeah, Tim, you know, they've done studies on this and they'll show that it's like one ninth the volume is required to maintain strength and muscle that it took to build. Because what ninth, what ninth? Could I even cut down the number of sets in anabolic that make it even shorter just a second? Because I want to touch, you know, touch it as little as possible, but still maintain. You know what I would, I always overdo things.

Yeah, what I would do, right? What I would do as far as you, is I would do one or two exercises every day. That's it. Now, if you're more functional focused during that period of time, you can make it more of a function movement. You mentioned the sled, that would be one of them,

for example, but a couple exercises for a few sets, six days a week would be perfect. In combination with everything else that you're doing, and you know, pick the movements that feel the best. Obviously the compound lifts are gonna have a lot of carryover, but if you're really sore from hiking or climbing, or you know you have a big climb that day, then I would be more kind of mobility work that day.

Have fun with it, honestly. You've been working out for long enough now, to where I think if you give yourself the 30 minute time limit to pick like two or three movements, and you leave it up to whichever ones you feel are gonna feel best for you, it's gonna be hard to go wrong with that. Oh, man.

It's so much opportunity. I feel like to, you know, really work on sharpening your kettlebell swing, doing, you know, kettlebell snatches, like getting into mace belt training. There's just like other lots of things people don't ever consider. This is, you know, one of those things that I do all the time, just to keep my body functioning and moving properly and strength driven, but not always overloading it and giving it some time, you know, away from just like, you know, beating the crap out of it all the time. So I would try and really expand your mind in terms of like, you know, learning a new skill that you can then bring with you coming back.

Yeah, and Tim, consider this, you've heard us talk to athletes, right, about off-season training versus in-season training. For sure. Very similar to what you're doing. So off-season, you've already done that. Now you're in season, you're gonna be climbing, you're gonna be hiking, you're gonna be,

you know, doing lots of hiking and lots and lots of activity. Your workouts now should be really to prevent injury and maintain mobility. Don't do the workouts to improve performance because that's otherwise you'll push yourself a little too hard and your chance or risk of injury will go up. So 30 minutes of what's going to make my body perform better for the important stuff, which is all the other stuff that you listed that you do during the summer. And then when you go back to winter training, you're gonna crush.

Perfect, no, that's good news, because I make characters look bulletproof, so I end up in real easily. So it's good to hear that. So yeah, that's great advice, I really appreciate it. Tim, why don't you let the audience know? Where you have a blog, for the audience, they don't know, this is the first time

we've actually formally met here, is you're our best affiliate that we have out there. You write all kinds of great articles around our programming, and obviously you've got a lot of experience in them. Why don't you give a shout out to where to find you? Well, thanks, man. It's JimCraftor.com, which is the word Jim, and then Crafter's C-R-A-F-T-E-R.com. And basically what I'm doing is, I firmly believe that a home gym should be a staple in everybody's home. I mean, the real estate listing should say three bathrooms,

two bedrooms, and a gym. I mean, I like that. So my goal is to have that in everybody's house. I love that you guys work with PRX. But yeah, it's a few equipment reviews, but really, it's a lot of, you know, I've done most of your programs and I put reviews up there for people to kind of see what a normal user would like So I appreciate you. Let me get the shout out man. I'm really on a mission to I quit a career of 30 years to do this for a living So love I really believe in it and you guys are really motivated me to take that big step. So thank you

Thank you, you do it man. You're a great good luck brother. Thanks, man. Thanks guys. Appreciate it So I got a question for you guys, right? At some point in our lifetimes, the most houses come with a garage. It's going to be, no one's going to park cars in there because electric cars will take over. And there's probably be, a lot of people will be using these electric car services,

most likely, you're not going to own a car. What do you guys think garages are going to be used for? Because he said a gym in every house, I thought, yeah, that would be great. And we're converted to bedroom. That's what I thought, too. Either a bedroom or a gym. You know, what do you guys think?

I mean, it's just gonna depend, right? You know, how many families could use an extra bedroom, right? Like I grew up in less, you know, less bedrooms than kids type of households. So in that household, that'll make sense. The garage would be converted to a bedroom. In fact, that we've done that in some places that I live or a family did that.

So, but I actually think you could do both. That's, I mean, when you have like something, that's why I love PRX. Like, I mean, I park all my cars in the garage and I've got a gym in the garage. Yeah. To me, that's like, that's what makes that so cool is that you don't have to sacrifice one.

And technically, if I wanted to convert it into a bedroom, I can have a bed in there too, you know? So that's what makes that so cool is that you don't have to sacrifice one. And technically, if I wanted to convert it into a bedroom, I can have a bed in there too. You know, so that's what's. I agree. I think, but I think having a gym at home, especially if you prioritize fitness, and you have a family and a job so valuable. It's so valuable. It's, I think it's, I recommend to everybody. I, you know, I love taught it was so great to meet Tim finally, because we've talked about him for a while now. and I'd love a client that's in this place Yeah, because there's so we can't go fun now. Yeah, and then maybe the only challenging for me or us on the doing this on a podcast is that I wish

I was kind of with him week to week to kind of feel him out like when you like in that or what do you think you want to try this now and I mean this is a this is a situation where I would try different things like Justin was saying, like to me, this is such a great opportunity to pick up a new movement, you know, and practice at it and get good at it. And you're not training to lift a bunch of weight, you're training to get good at something. I think it's harder, you know, for somebody to think of those things on their own. And that's a teardrop point. Like, if I was coaching him specifically, I would have a lot of fun with, you know, that mentality

because I could introduce him to so many different things that it takes a lot of time to learn and develop these new skills. But then once you establish those skills and you get proficient at them, it complements so much of your work. I did that one summer. One summer I did every day.

I had a dip pull-up station. So I do dips, pull-ups, and jump rope. And I thought, I'm going to get good at this and just practice this every day for 20 minutes. And I got really good at all three of them in a very short period of time. Yep. Our next caller is Drew from Indiana. What's up Drew? How can we help you? What's up guys? Hey, thanks for having me on. You got it. All right. So I'll give you a little background. My wife and I have been consistently macro tracking for approximately the last three and a half months. During that time, we completed Maps PowerLift when we saw significant strength gains, however no aesthetic gains in this phase, but by far our favorite program.

We are now entering phase two of Maps Esthetic. Throughout PowerLift and Phase one of Maps Black, we were either in a slight Chloric Circus or a maintenance phase. Now we're entering phase two of Est black, we were either in a slight Chloric surplus or a maintenance phase. Now, entering phase two of aesthetic, we're starting our calorie deficit. So you guys will be happy to know, in maintenance, she was eating roughly 2,600 calories with no weight change,

same for myself, but slightly higher calories. So prior to starting the program, my factor to our macro is using the old school nutritional guide from you guys. And then now using the new calculator off the website, there were some macros discrepancies, I guess, if you will. So the question is, can you manipulate your macros or is it all calorie-based? I understand going in ways with some days being bulk, some days maintenance and some days

of cut, but manipulating fat and carbs from what is calculated, can you change your body composition or can you manipulate these based on how you feel and see the same aesthetic gains? So for example, in the bulk, my wife felt he lifted better with higher fat and slightly undercarbs, but she noticed no aesthetic gains, just shrink gains. She's also five months postpartum and breastfeeding, which may have played a role in this, but would she have seen more aesthetic gains sticking to her macros to a tea, or did that play no factor? Are we assuming calories are staying the same?

Yes, sir. Yeah, I'm most likely the same. And here's the thing, keep in mind, when you manipulate carbohydrates, you're also going to end up seeing a difference in water retention in your body. For every three grams of carbohydrates you intake, your body holds on to three ounces of water. So if she were to reduce her carbohydrate intake, which could be a positive thing or a negative thing, looking at our physique, like if the extra carbohydrates filled her muscle bellies out, it might make her look more fit.

If the lower carbohydrate intake may have aies out. It might make her look more fit. If the lower Carba hydrate intake may have a flatter look, it may make her muscles look less defined. But a lot of that is just the perception. It's not really what's going on body fat percentage-wise. So if calories are the same, manipulating carbs or fat up or down is really not gonna make a difference on,

so their aesthetic goal is really, it may temporarily for like a photo, you know, but what's really going on body fat percentage wise and building muscle is going to be the same. If calories are equal and really the answer for somebody is, what do you feel best doing? Do you enjoy the higher fat? And I love to play with both and I encourage people to do both where you, you know, run a higher fat for a while and see how you feel, then run lower carb and then cycle them around.

And I think it's good for us to kind of to mess with that. But you're, we're splitting hairs as far as like, you know, can you really make a difference aesthetically by not changing the calories, but by just manipulating macros? But visually, yes, like for temporarily, if that makes sense, you know, I'm saying like if I had you on the calories all the same and we're low carb, low carb, low carb, like really low carb for like four or five days a row calories all the same. And then all of a sudden, I flip you to, you know, 350 grams of carbs, you will look different the next day, but it's not because you added a bunch more muscle or lost a bunch more

fat. It's what we manipulated was the carbon take and probably the water retention that's going on. And so it will look different. So the feeling that she may have that she didn't really change aesthetically, maybe just because she was manipulating her carbohydrate intake. If that doesn't make sense. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. Drew, ultimately, here's what the studies say. And this is just general. Okay. Cause, okay, because Adam said something that's very important. He referred to the individual experience because it can be very different from person to person.

Generally speaking, there's a minimum requirement when it comes to proteins and fats, those are essential. So we gotta say that because I don't want people listening to this and thinking they can cut fats or proteins out completely and be okay, you can't, you'll die. You need a minimum amount of protein and fat. Carbohydrates, they're not essential. You can cut those out completely. And some people would do just fine and you definitely wouldn't die, right?

So there's that. Number two, studies show generally speaking a high protein diet to be better for body composition. What's high protein? About 0.6 to one gram of protein per pound of body weight in average weight individuals. If you're really obese, then you want to go off of lean body mass. But that's generally true for most people.

High protein diets tend to build more muscle. They tend to help with satiety, which also help with fat loss. Carbs and fats are interesting. Now, again, generally speaking, studies show that higher carbohydrate diets improve anaerobic performance. You'll be stronger. Does that contribute to more muscle gain?

I believe it does. I've tried to build muscle on a low carb, no carb diet, and on a higher carb diet. Calories being equal. I build more muscle with carbohydrates. Most people have worked with her like this, but not all of them. There's some people who work much better the other way around. So that's generally speaking.

Now, at the end of the day though, there's some interesting individual variances. I've worked with people who do much better with diets that are low carbohydrates and high fat and in vice versa. You also mentioned your wife is postpartum in breastfeeding. Her hormones are not gonna be back to what they were before until she stops breastfeeding.

It takes a few months after breastfeeding for things to kind of regulate. So whatever's working for her now is gonna probably likely be different later on in terms of how she feels and whatnot. So consider that a well as well. And then aesthetically speaking, that's a tough one, right? Cause it's the mirror. It's your own perception.

If you're getting stronger consistently, ultimately, that's going to be more muscle. So ultimately means you end up building more muscle, which usually improves aesthetics. But that keeps the animation is hungry. So that's a good sign. Yes, very good. And it's great sign she's getting stronger. She has the energy she feels good. Five months postpartum. I mean, I've trained a lot of women postpartum and most of them don't start feeling like themselves until a few months after they stop breastfeeding.

So sometimes that's a year later and sometimes depending on when they stop the breastfeeding. That's more common in my experience. It's less common for someone to feel great, a few months afterwards and they're still breastfeeding. So consider all those things, but at the end of the day, it's the individual variance. So don't question too much when it's based off how you feel.

If your wife says, you know, I just, I'm stronger and feel way better when my carbohydrates are low. Don't think to yourself, well, study show that carbs are better for anaerobic. No, no, that's believe her. Like that's what's going on for. And the same thing is true for yourself. So I've seen some pretty wild variations. None of them outside of the general rules,

but there's a lot of room within the, kind of the general rules that I talked about. So we can see that. Well, thanks guys. You got it Drew. And you said you guys are, I said care. You guys are following Maps aesthetic, right?

Maps aesthetic, we just entered face two to the first workout yesterday. What are you guys doing after that? We actually were going to run Maps OCR, I think. Oh, I was. Yeah, that'll be a great one. You guys have that program? I don't, sir.

All right, you do now Drew. Thanks, man, you guys are awesome. You got a brother. Thank you. Always looking for that Oprah moment. Yeah, I just make you feel good. You get a car. You get a car costs a lot of money to electronically give someone access to How much do these say she was she was on the cut now? 2600 Yeah, I was like wow that was amazing bro. This is five five months postpartenite, consider when you're breastfeeding, you also burning more calories.

Yes, yes, yes. But 2600 calories, I don't care, man. Yeah, great place. That is fire. No, it was a good question because I feel it is a great question. We sometimes overcomplicate. And then what that'll do, I mean, how many times have you guys worked with someone where they're three months

into a diet that they're supposed to work. And they're like, I feel terrible. And you're like, it's not working for you. Well, it also highlights though, when you manipulate carbohydrates like this, how you can look different. Oh, totally. That was one of the things.

That's the fastest way to look different. Yeah, one of the things that I struggled with on the ketogenic diet was also just my pumps were terrible and I never felt filled out. Totally. And being that that's my insecurities, being the skinny little guy or whatever, I remember messing with my head,

being like, oh man, I just don't feel, so you could easily be doing great, but because your muscle bellies aren't all filled out, you think you're not making gains that you potentially are. So just. Or vice versa, you're the person who's so scared of being, you know, heavy, you cut carbs, you lose five pounds of water, and you're like, this is the one right? Even though you're the person is so scared of being heavy. You cut carbs, you lose five

pounds of water and you're like, this is the one right, even though you're constipated, you feel like crap, right? Our next color is Megan from Georgia. Megan, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi, hi guys, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, thanks for calling in. So a little bit of backstory, my goal right now is to lose body fat percentage. That's what I'm really trying to focus on.

Roughly about seven to eight percent, I would say. I'm following MAP's aesthetic and I'm very disciplined on my diet. I rarely ever miss a workout, try and get in all of my protein every single day. I feel like I do everything right, but I'm not seeing a significant change in my body for the effort that I'm putting in. My husband and I have very busy social lives. I travel for work a lot. We go to baseball games. We go to breweries on the weekend.

So drinking alcohol, unfortunately, and, you know, fortunately, is a huge part of my life. So the main area I'd like to see a change in is my core. And I've got good muscle tone all around. I think I'm pretty happy with it at least, but after having a C section, no, abs have never really been the same. So my question is, is alcohol really that big of a detriment to fat loss?

Or can I still enjoy a few drinks every week and see results? And if it is, know what are some tips on changing my mentality for the short term? Now, I don't believe this is something I could or would want to do. And definitely, I cut it out my life, cut it out of my life completely.

But I do know that sacrifices might need to happen in order to reach a short-term goal. So I wanted to get your take on that and hopefully get some tips. Megan, have you tried smoking weed? Yes, and I don't really enjoy it that much. No calories in hope. I hope she still likes this after this answer.

No, I'm not. I'm not the... I mean, my physique speaks for herself. Rinking, like sitting out on a patio and having a glass of wine. I'm totally joking. No, you're the social having a glass of wine. And I'm totally joking. I'm doing the social aspect. I am totally joking.

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm doing. Okay, so, so alcohol is got about seven calories per, per gram essentially. It's almost as high in calories as fat. So it's pretty high in calorie. It's not a benign drink, obviously. Well, you know, there's, you know, fat has some actually benefits to it.

There's like zero benefits for the alcohol. At least from the social. Yeah, no, yeah, as far as like what it's aesthetically speaking since we're talking about body fat percentage goals, at least fat has some, you know, properties to it that are beneficial for your fat. There's essential fat. Yes. There is nothing essential about alcohol.

Yeah. How? That's drinkers. How much? Just with you. Talk here. Yeah. So Courtney and I have actually gone through this a bit. You would be surprised at how much like inflammation you that is displays from it's very visible that you know us drinkers. And it's very visible that, you know, us drinkers. That portrays. So if you cut it down and reduce it down,

it does make a substantial difference. So to say that it's like, you know, a calories in calories out thing is really not the whole story. Yeah, there's more, but Megan, let's get more specific. I want you to be really honest, okay. How many drinks do you average a day? I don't drink every day.

I knew that question was coming. So I don't drink every day. It's mostly like on a Friday or a Saturday, especially like a Saturday where we might have a couple of glasses of Perseco at brunch and then it leads into a couple of glasses of wine at dinner. And so for the full, maybe Thursday to Sunday, it's probably around 10 to 12 drinks, I would say. And a mixture of that. So truly wine, like a vodka soda water, I say away from heavy beer,

I say away from the mixed sugary drinks. But it's still, I'm seeing, like you said, the inflammation, and I know it's that- That's a bloat, that's a problem. I mean, if you're going for aesthetic goals, this is definitely a deterrent. Yeah, you can just go ahead. Yeah, you can trade, you could trade, look, you could try doing this, a lot of people

try doing this, I'm gonna tell you, it's a very hard, it's not gonna give you what you want necessarily, but some people trade alcohol calories for food calories. So they say, okay, I'm having two glasses of wine that's gonna give me 300 calories. That means I had to cut my food intake by 300 calories or whatever to make up the difference. So I mean, you can do that.

What Adam said is 100% right though. There's no nutritional value. That's the problem with that. If you trade out a thousand calories of, say, fat, carbohydrates, protein for a thousand calories alcohol, it's not an even exchange. Because the thousand calories of food, especially with protein and stuff, and especially since most of my female clients struggle with hitting protein, if you replace that with alcohol, it's not just an even trade.

It might be on the scale, so maybe the scale doesn't really move that much because the calories are the same, but you're not going to be able to sustain the same muscle mass. Here's the come to Jesus moment I would have with you if you were my client. It's kind of what I was hoping for. Okay, so here's the deal. It's like you're five, six, and one, 51.

I, without even seeing you right now, I imagine you're pretty good shape. I mean, but it sounds like you want more. You want this, I want to look bad ass in my bikini, which is totally a fair goal. But what comes with that is another level of sacrifice. And the question is, do you really want it that bad? Is it worth giving up some of those social events

that you really enjoy doing? And I would not impose my thoughts on you at all. I would pull it out of you. I would say, listen, Megan, I think you look great. You're doing great. You've got great balance in your life. Sounds like you and your husband have a great weekends and you enjoy yourself. And you still managed to stay in shape the rest of the time. I would really challenge you and say, is that bikini body that you're saying? Is it really something you really, really want that bad? And it's so then we have to evaluate some of these other things that you're doing that fly right in the face of those results.

So that that would be my come to Jesus moment with you is challenging your thoughts on your, do you really want that, that bad, or does it sound like, yeah, I really like that, but I don't want to give this up. If you're saying shit like that to me, then I'm just going to tell you, listen, you got good balance right now. Can it be a season? Can you look at it like that? Right now we're just tightening it up.

This is a goal of yours. It's very focused for a goal. It just requires a bit more to get further. And I don't know exactly, like, so is this in terms of your training? So you said you're doing more like aesthetic type training right now. Yeah, I'm following map. Okay. And how long have you been doing that style of training is my question? I have been lifting consistently for about a year and a half. Before then, I was the cardio train and the orange theory and the berries, I love that cell of training.

And then I had a coworker who kind of introduced me to more like five by five workouts. And then I found your guys' podcast and absolutely fell in love with it, love the process. But it's, I mean, and I have to get up at 5.30 every morning and work out because I have a child. So I make it happen, I make it work, I'm super disciplined in my nutrition. And for me, it's almost like I'm doing all of this work and not seeing the results I

want. So something has to get. Yeah. But that is the come to Jesus, you know, question, question I guess like what are what am I okay with? Yeah, try these two things try cutting one day of alcohol and try reducing the volume of your training. I think Mapsesthetic is too much volume. Yeah. It's too much volume for most people. So many people picked out program because it's called aesthetic. Yeah. But it's it's a lot of it's too much volume for me most of the time. Yeah, being anabolic, yeah. Yeah, I follow maps aesthetic and then for three months,

I do stuff with low volume. I can't do it consistently. I've been working out for a long time, you know? And so I would say two things you could do. You could cut one day of alcohol, like Justin said, make it a season. That'll make a big difference, by the way. Yeah, when I train clients like you,

because you sound like a lot of people I've trained, we cut one day of alcohol out and they're like, whoa, this is huge. It's like crazy, because you sound like a lot of people I've trained, we cut one day of alcohol out, and they're like, whoa, this is huge. It's like crazy, what a difference. One day, so you could do that, and then I would go maps, performance, or maps, and a ball, because aesthetic is a lot of volume. You might be training too much considering

your busy life and your workout history. And that just means you're not gonna respond very quickly. Give her anabolic, Doug, and I'm to push you a little bit different, Megan. I like what Justin said. Because when is Vegas, by the way, do you have a Vegas trip plan? I do. It's six weeks away.

OK. See, so this is what I would encourage you. Hey, six weeks of your life, I believe you have, you can do anything. Right. A leak of that is a basaret trip in Palm Springs and a golf tournament in Hilton Head on the beach. So. Yeah.

You want to look good. Here we go. Oh, man. It's also a leak, so you know what, too. It's also fun to abstain and then go have alcohol when you haven't had a whole five four or five weeks. Okay. I mean, so that that would be what I would do for you is just, I would say, let's,

let's challenge yourself and let's, let's pretend like I'm trying to get you ready for a bikini show. Okay. And let's, let's train, let's eat and let's sacrifice that way for a while and see how you like it. And what you may see is maybe giving up a few of those social events You see is worth it you might go goddamn I've never looked and felt this way before and saying no to a few weekends in a row Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be and it's it's definitely made up for the way I feel now or

You may be like I feel a little bit better, but I don't feel that much better And boy, I really missed out those last couple weekends fuck that I'd I'd rather work through my insecurities about my body than actually sacrifice that social side of the, so that would, if we were training together, this would be kind of the conversations you and I would be having during this process. And really my goal as the coach is to really get down to what it is that you truly, truly want.

And theory, it does sound great to have this great bikini body and then also be able to drink 1000 calories of alcohol every week. But the reality is that they just, they completely conflict with each other. And I think that disciplining yourself for a four to six week period of time of like some serious sacrifice on the alcohol side, just to see what kind of, what that could potentially do as far as changing your physique.

I would probably try and get you to at least try that and then us together decide like, okay, was that worth it or not? Great advice. And again, it's also fun to abstain and then go somewhere where you really let loose. It could make the trip so much fun or to show up. Man, the last five weeks I was strict and I trained

and I'm lean, you work towards it. And now we're gonna party and have a good time. And I mean, that's the way I kind of do it. I don't know if that's necessarily healthy approach, but it's a lot of fun, you know? Especially if you know how to balance it out afterwards. So. Right.

But that helps a lot that's really actually what I was looking to hear. So I think that's great advice. I do have a question though about something you said with maps aesthetic because I'm in phase two. And I honestly don't feel like it is too much volume. I think I put in my notes, you know, I was an exgeumnist, exterlitor.

So physically, I am pretty fit. So if you think it's too much volume, can I ask why you think that? Or... It just is for most people and based off of your busy lifestyle, but what makes you feel like it's not enough volume? I don't know that it's not enough.

I think it is a good amount. Like I did it this morning, again, if I work out, I didn't feel exhausted. I felt ready for the day. Even on some of the moves, I felt like I could have done like four or five reps instead of three. Are you getting stronger? I would get those next steps.

Are you getting stronger, Megan? I am. Oh, you're doing fine. I'm not against her stain with your five. If you're getting stronger, Megan? I am. Oh, you're doing fine. I'm not against her stain with your fight. If you're getting stronger, it's fine. If you're not getting stronger, then you're not suffering from a bunch of chronic pain. You feel good at the end of your work out.

There's times you feel it do more. I think you're in a good place. I think you're in a good place. The real conversations around the alcohol thing right now, it really is. Getting to drink 1,000 calories of alcohol every weekend is a very nice luxury to have. And to be honest, I think, again, I can't see you, but knowing your five, six, and one, 51,

I definitely know you're not obese. I know you're in probably a pretty good place. You're just critical of yourself and you want another level of fitness. And another level of fitness comes another level of sacrifice. And that's what I would tell you if you were my client, and maybe you think you really want that, but maybe when you do it, I mean, here's a deal.

I have no desire to walk around like a competitive Adam did. It felt cool, it was really cool when I did it, and it felt amazing, and it was the best I ever felt in my life, looks wise, but the amount of sacrifice that I had to do in order to maintain a physique like that, it just wasn't worth it. I'm not, Katrina's family gets together and barbecues and drinks damn near every weekend also.

And I like to go and do events. I like to eat out and I just enjoy a lot of those things. And so I prefer to have a more balanced life. Now, if I had a Vegas trip coming up in six weeks, I have the tools and the ability to say, you know what, I can clamp down and say no to a couple of these events or not drink at them for six weeks just so I could bring the best version of me to Vegas. Like, and I would, but other if it's the rest of the year, I'm going to, I'm going to enjoy the nice balance of my life and you're healthier that way, truthfully. Yeah, he's much, it's much nicer to work out to better.

Yeah, yeah. Excellent. Well, maybe's much it's much nicer to work out to better. Yeah, yeah, excellent. Well, we're sending you a free map Santa ball. Anyway, oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, well, good luck. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. It was very helpful. Thank you. Have fun in Vegas. Thank you. I mean, does she not sound like so many clients? Oh, that's another, you know, today's questions. I feel like there's a lot of, a lot of, a lot of, you guys answered, I mean, beautifully, I, I, I loved what you guys said because it's, that's, I mean, it's really what it's, what a boils down to. It's like, well, which one's more important to you because that was always a trade off. And I think people want both, but you can't necessarily have both. And I know there, there's, there's a fitness person right now that is, you know,

grumbling because they have found a way to look shredded themselves and they drink. A hundred gold kinds of white claws and zebras. And they use that as a selling point in an angle to people that they're able to do that. They're probably fucking 28 years old and move like crazy and have a lot of muscle mass. And it's like for the average person that you know, average mom that just wants to look good for Vegas time, the thing I would tell her is just, okay, let's just buckle down for the next six weeks. Tighten it up, man. Alcohol is an interesting substance because it ruins your aesthetics,

but it makes everybody else you look at more aesthetics. So it's a very weird substance. Double-edged sword. It's just, it's hard for somebody, her size to allow that many calories of alcohol. It's more than a thousand, bro. If it's, if it's like 12 drinks, I mean, it's a much more than like 13, 14 hours.

Right, right. So that's a lot. And think in order to not gain a bunch of weight from that, you've got to pull out other calories. So what are we pulling out? You know, what are you, what are you, what are you, what are you valuable stuff? Yeah, what are you sacrificing?

Most likely, some proteins, carbs and fats and all those things contribute to your aesthetics. So not to mention, you know, getting munchies and cravings while you're drinking and not to mention what you said too. Like a lot of things like Katrina, like when Katrina stopped, like so she did that she went dry the whole January, right? And instantly she looked like she lost 15 pounds. Yeah. Cause she's in and I was explaining to her. I'm just like, it's not, it's not like you, it's not like you lost 10 to 15 pounds. What happened was your body released that water that you're holding on your, you were

inflamed and that just shows you that alcohol is insulting, you just don't, you've learned to live with that for so long that you don't think it's really not going to get you stage ready. Yeah, I want to reiterate cannabis has zero calories. Our next caller is Jamie from Arizona. Jamie, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi there guys. I just wanted to start off by saying thank you so much for all of your great information. I wouldn't be the personal trainer I am today without your help. And I think my horses have benefited from it as well. So, anyways, I'll get into my question. I'm a barrel racer, I'm a horse trainer,

and I'm also a personal trainer. And I'm looking to currently optimize my routine. So I'm running maps performance right now, three times a week. And I am about happy with my appearance, but I need to lighten up my body weight a little bit for my sport of barrel racing. Typically, I ride about five horses a day. So I'm very active.

And amongst those days of training and doing the horse riding, I'm also teaching spin class at the gym two times a week. Right now I weigh about 160 pounds, I'm five foot eight, and I'm sitting at 18% body fat. I'm eating 3,000 calories a day, and I have the feeling I might be doing a little bit too much with my training right now.

I am also a little bit worried about cutting back on my current routine because I don't want to lose any of my glute gains that I worked very hard for. And also, I think my barrel racing is definitely becoming my number one priority and starting to race professionally. And so that's where I really want to back off on my weight a little bit and I'm willing to lose some gains to sacrifice to run faster in the saddle. So whatever you guys have for advice, I'm willing to take it. I've been loving maps performance so far. So thank you so much for that amazing program. Jamie Jamie you're you're obviously a high level athlete 160 pounds 5, 8, 18% body fat 3,000 calories and you mean 3000 calories. You have a lot of muscle

Yeah, yeah, I'd like to I mean it's your program. It's been great That's incredible. I mean that's you're really good. Yeah, here's a deal. You're lean So in order to lose more weight. I mean we could get you a leaner But you you might have to lose a little bit of muscle too to in order to be more weight, I mean, we could get you a leaner, but you might have to lose a little bit of muscle too, in order to be more effective at your sport. So because there's a, with what you're talking about, you're talking about strength versus weight ratio. So and that's going to be really tough.

You've got a lot of muscle on your body. This is more of a diet thing than a training thing. Cutting your calories will get you where you want to go. And you're already eating 3,000. You have a big, you have a where you want to go. And you're already eating 3,000, you have a big, you have a lot of room to go down. So cutting your calories is gonna get you what you're looking for.

Will you lose some of your booty gains? I mean, maybe a little bit, but with the amount of the muscle and the body fat percentage that you're at, I don't think you're gonna, I think it'll be just fine. I think you're gonna be totally fine. That's all I would do.

I would just pull back the calories a little bit and just see what happens in there. I mean, in a perfect world, I might have you, I would like you to probably cut back a little bit on the amount of stuff that you're doing, but honestly, like you're a high performing athlete, you're eating a good amount of calories, for sure. You're at a great body weight and body fat percentage.

You just obviously say you wanna drop a little bit more to improve your sports, your performance. So yeah, I would restrict calories a little bit and you've got plenty of room to do. Yeah, I mean, if you went down to 2500, you would end up losing some weight. And I don't think you would lose a lot of strength doing that. So your strength to weight ratio would probably be pretty darn good. But I mean, again, the numbers you're giving us is like, Yeah, run a 2500 calorie diet for two or two weeks or so and then go back to like a

2800 calories and see how you feel and in that range and see how you see how you look feel and wait what it's at right around there. I'd play with that. Okay, thank you because I jumped down to 2300 while I was running maps hit. I actually got that. I think it's called the sexy athlete bundle. hit, I actually got the, I think it's called the sexy athlete bundle. So I ran maps hit and that just felt like a little too low calorie for the 2300 jumping, you know, down from 3000. Yeah, that's, that's a big jump. Go down 500 is the most I would do with, with someone is active is you with as much muscle as you have. And I'd actually lean as you are. And I'd only do it for like two weeks. And then I'd actually put you back up to like 28. I just, I would use the 20, the 500 calorie drop for two weeks just to see if I can drop you a couple pounds real quick.

And then I'd put you at a more you know balance place like 28 where you're probably going to feel pretty damn good because 18% body fat too for females lean. I mean you're you're doing great. I wouldn't want you but if you as an athlete I wouldn't want you lower than I mean the lean is 16, 17% of the lowest any lower than that you might start to notice changes in hormones and, uh, and in performance, that's yes, a note of that. I mean, depends. And because here's the thing, like Katrina, you would never guess what Katrina's body fat percentage. You walks around 11%, bro. Oh, well, consistently. But so a lot of people, just how wear and how you store it. Yes. 11 to 12. I've never seen Katrina test over

13 and she doesn't look that leaky. It depends. There's definitely a variance. I'm speaking generally. Yes, I just want to be careful. I'll tell you because you may be able to go down. But considering how much work she's doing, the amount of muscle she carries, how many calories she's eating, I wouldn't try and chase getting super shredded.

But cutting your calories like we said, I think that would be it. That would be answer. If you feel like you're working out too much because you feel tired and fatigued and your joints are stiff, then you probably are doing a little too much. In which case I'd say, well, I like her shoes from hit to performance. Yeah, performance purpose. Yeah, you're now you're reinforcing and getting the mobility sessions in between and it's got more restorative elements in there. But yeah, if everything you're doing, you're so active to begin with, this is a hard one for me to,

you know, wait cuts in general are really a hard one for athletes when they're already performing at a high level. It's the whole wait versus the wait to strength ratio of that, right? That you're aiming for. But Jamie, what's the, do you know what the average wait is of a high level of a competitor at your level at your sport?

The most of the girls I'm competing against they're around 120 to 130 pounds. So you're a good 30 pounds heavier than the average one, but you're probably also a lot stronger. Right. That plays a role, but then again, you're obviously on a horse so the weight can make a difference. So she's tall too.

You said 5.8, right? Yeah, you're probably taller than the average girl too. I'd imagine they're probably more like five three ish right? Is that true? Yeah, they're very petite girls. Similar to jockeys, you know, you want to be lightweight and so those horses can run super fast. I mean, I think the calorie thing that we advise is fine. And then I wouldn't chase it too hard to try to to lose too much because then you're going to be losing a lot of muscle. And you'll be sacrificing like you're in a really good place. When you're done with the sport, you're going to still be with this body. So I wouldn't

want you to try to lose a ton of muscle to win this competition. And then afterwards be stuck in this kind of bad position. Oh, okay. That's a really good point. Yeah, I was kind of thinking I might end up losing a little bit of muscle. So I'm just playing around with a good balance of how I can maintain some muscle mass, but also lighten up just a little bit. So that's very helpful. Thank you, Josh.

I wouldn't have you lose. I wouldn't have you go below 150. I mean, you're really, you're in a great place. Fast metabolism. I mean, this is going to be, is it going to carry you for a long time if you, if you can maintain this, you know, this physique, it's really good. Excellent. And as far as my training goes, after maps performance, should I cycle into, like an anabolic phase or what would you guys suggest for following maps performance?

If you're going to keep doing what you're doing with the horses, I would say a little more functional, similar-ish program to anabolic would be map strong. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, so do you have map strong? I do not currently have that. No. We got something we can send you then.

We'll send you map strong. Gosh, thank you guys so much. I've been wanting to try that one in particular, but I wasn't sure sure how to go about it, you know, after which phase I should put it in. Very cool. Yeah, so there you go. Is there anything else we can help you with? No, thank you guys so much for everything. Like I said, you've even made my horses better. I'm training them better. I'm training my clients better.

And so I really, really have a lot of appreciation for you guys and for your show. Thanks for having me on. Awesome. Thank you so much for calling in. Thank you, Jamie. Keep killing it. Thank you.

Bye, guys. That's, that was a hard one because she was like, I mean, calories are high, fast, but towels and a lot of muscle. She's lean. It's like, and I've done this. I've trained athletes where we, in order to get them in a weight class,

we have to drop some muscle and I hate as a trainer, getting someone to lose muscle is like cutting off a limb, you know what I mean? It's similar to people that are like really responsive in certain muscles and their body parts and they're like, I just don't wanna train it anymore. Yeah, what? Well, look at you.

This is also example where high level sports aren't necessarily really healthy for us either, right? Because if she was so competitive that we were going to sacrifice. Starversel. Yeah, I mean, you definitely could. We could put her on 2000 calories and say, run that for the next few weeks. This is 12 to 15 pounds muscle. Yeah, this was 15 pounds knowing that a big portion of that's going to be muscle also,

just so she could be a half a second faster on the horse, that's possible. And some people would make that sacrifice because they care that much about the sport. But I love that you brought it back because I was gonna say something and then you started to allude to this by asking her about after she's done doing this.

Like if this is not your end all be all, then you wanna consider like, what does life look like after you're not barrelled? And it's not as easy of a trade as people think. I've trained wrestlers where, all be all, then you want to consider like what does life look like after you're not barreled? It's not as easy of a trade as people think. I've trained wrestlers where I mean, it's very strict weight classes and I trained a young athlete who was a collegiate wrestler and he was in a particular weight class and he had to constantly starve himself to be there and the idea was, well, I'm bigger than everybody

else at that weight class because I'm starving myself. But you're also weaker and more tired. Why don't we try the next weight class? And yes, guys, it'll be bigger than you. Natural, you know, it'll be easier for them to be, at least you'll be fed. It'll be more natural to your actual weight. And he crushed.

He crushed, he felt so much better. So it's not as easy to think. Exactly. Look, thanks for listening to Mind Pump. If you like our information, head over to Mind Pump Free.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal.

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