Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1813: The Best Tricep Building Exercises, How to Pack on Muscle With Farmer Carries, Ways to Activate Your Quads When Squatting & More

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best tricep exercises, adding heavy dumbbell farmer carries to pack on muscle, the best way to get your quads engaged if you’re having a hard time feeling them when back squatting, and the truth about studies showing you need way less volume to maintain muscle and strength than to build it. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here’s an easy way to increase the effectiveness of your workout. PUT YOUR PHONE DOWN! Stay focused on what you’re doing. (2:21) Mind Pump East needs an upgrade. (5:07) Sal’s Mother’s Day blunder. (7:23) Adam’s worst rim job of all time. (11:20) Organifi’s new Crisp Apple Green Juice is CRUSHING! (17:18) The guy’s first take on the new Avatar trailer. (24:44) Should a 6-year-old be running a marathon? (26:25) If you don’t use it, you lose it. (32:20) The latest statistics on the amount of sex young adults are NOT having. (40:44) Butcher Box has great products and is a GREAT place to work! (52:17) #Quah question #1 - What are the best tricep exercises? (59:40) #Quah question #2 - Will adding heavy dumbbell farmer carries to the end of a full-body workout make sense as a finisher? I’m a new lifter looking to pack on muscle. (1:04:22) #Quah question #3 - What is the best way to get your quads engaged if you’re having a hard time feeling them when back squatting? (1:08:22) #Quah question #4 - Can you shed some light on the truth about studies showing you need way less volume to maintain muscle and strength than to build it? (1:11:07) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! May Promotion: MAPS Starter Bundle and MAPS Spilt 50% off! **Promo code MAYSPECIAL at checkout** The Jordan Syatt Mini-Podcast: Simple, Basic, and Effective Strategies to Improve Your Health and Fitness with Sal Distefano from Mind Pump Visit From You Flowers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! AVATAR 2 - Official Trailer | James Cameron | Avatar 2 | Official | Trailer Parents receive backlash for allowing 6-year-old to run a marathon Mind Pump #1115: The Amazing Adventures Of Tommy Caldwell, Star Of Netflix’s The Dawn Wall The share of Americans not having sex has reached a record high iGen: Why Today's Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy--and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood--and What That Means for the Rest of Us – Book by Jean M. Twenge PhD Utah's Westminster College offers 'Porn' class where students will 'watch pornographic films together' These Are the 475 Best Companies to Work For in America Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** Visit Oli Pop for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 15% off your first order** How To Do Chest Dips For A BIG Chest! - Mind Pump TV Close-Grip Bench Press Guide | 3 Mistakes to AVOID How to Do SKULLCRUSHERS with Dumbbells for BIG Triceps (ADVANCED) - Mind Pump TV Build Your Triceps with Angles – Mind Pump TV How to Build a Strong Core with Kettlebell Farmers Walk – Mind Pump TV BEST Front Squat Regression & Mobility Tips (START HERE) – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jordan Syatt (@syattfitness)  Instagram Andy Galpin (@drandygalpin)  Instagram Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness)  Instagram

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Put your phone down. Stay focused on what you're doing. You know, I did this the other day, right? I have this habit in between sets where I pick up my phone, work, read emails, write, or whatever. And the other day, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to not touch my phone at all. And I had a way better workout.

My rest periods were consistent. I got better, I got more focused in the workout, I got a better pump. And I mean, that's how we all worked out when we were younger. I didn't have, we didn't have phones back then. I'm here to do. We sound like everybody's dads. You know, put your phone down.

It's true. I'm told I'm torn. I'm torn. I'm torn a little bit on this one because I train like that a lot right now. I definitely do. I totally multitask. And so I think we need to do our investments. You can do that. It's do. I totally multitask. So I think we need you to do our investments.

You can do that. It's not worth it. I'm not making gains, but we're making money. No, really though. So I 100% agree if you're listening and you're plateaued or you're stalling or you're not seeing the results that you expected, then I think this is a for sure tip. I know that I'm not making major gains right now or progress. It's more like I'm touching, touching weight to stay in shape or stay fit. That's kind of like my attitude right now. So I enjoy that kind of like in and out of being on my phone and then going back. But if I was trying to make progress, I 100% agree. And I do that with, when I'm on those kicks where I'm like, okay, I need to make progress, I 100% agree. Like I would, and I do that with,

when I'm on those kicks where I'm like, okay, I need to make moves now. It's like I can go put it away from me. Because if it's anywhere near me, it's so tempting. Well, you know what I'm supposed to be. Effective you are though, like, yeah, when you're, when I listen to music and so I'll have that ahead of time. So I'm like, okay, I have my phone, but I,

when I'm not on there, like getting distracted at all and I'm just thinking about what I'm actually doing and I'm literally there focused on working out, it makes such a massive difference. It does and people think, well, what's the difference? If you do the set and you maybe have a timer for your rest period, well, first off, I definitely my rest period is a more consistent,

but second, taking your focus off the workout and then going back on the workout. Now, I've been doing this a long time so I can do that better than most, but it does make a difference because when I put my fine, I did this literally, I did this all week last week. I put my phone in my pocket or I put it on the floor

next to my water bottle in the gym and I said, I'm not gonna touch it. And boy, by the way, is that hard. It's like so, it's addicting. I wanna grab my phone in between every set. What do I do while I'm resting? Yeah, so instead I just kept it there and I just, my mind was on the workout.

It was like, do I feel in the right place? Let me tweak this a little bit with my technique. I could have squeezed a little harder at the top of that rep and I just, it's a better quality. So I can only imagine somebody who's not as experienced as I am, how much of a difference it'll make with their technique, their form, and just the connection that they feel to work out, you know?

Can I tell you guys something? Oh, what do you got? I don't like the studio anymore. No, I don't. I know. You're gonna call out the obvious right now. I don't like it at all, dude, it sucks now. This is our travel studio.

It's so bright. You guys look hella ugly now. Oh, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, which means I know I do too, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's a lighter. I don't think you're wrong, is what I'm trying to say. It's so blah. I know we, I mean, so this is our,

this is our studio for a freshen. This is our studio that we have away from the main studio. It's when we do, like, we'll just call it the East. Yes, it's East. I'm a piece, I'm a piece. I'm a piece.

We come up here, for people who don't know, we come up here when we're gonna do a lot of work all day, whether it's create a program, or figure out some new plan or whatever. And so we built a studio, so we didn't have to worry about recording, and it's smaller, and we didn't optimize it for visual. So it's just,

well that's a little throwback. Now when we first did it though, I actually liked it more than the other one. Because the red stripe. We positioned the new, the red stripe. Remember what you made it to? Oh, excuse me. Hey, do you guys remember that?

The debate. How was I, what do we got to do? Red stripe going across the street. The adips like, no, we can't. It looks fast. Yeah, you can. You can't get up a little bit. Yeah, that's true.

It's the most decorative part of it. No, I just, I don't like it anymore. I know, we don't have all the cool stuff. I like the, it's more spiky. decorative part of it now. So no, I just I don't like it anymore. I know we don't have all the all the cool stuff I like that it's more spiky. I'll give it that hey our most viewed I don't know if it's still true Adam You're the most in touch with their analytics. It's our top viewed video still the ones from the studio It's about the one where my beard is long Yeah, I look I was like 20 more pounds because I'm like slushed over I was like 20 more pounds because I'm like slushed over I look like I'm like a little

Sous-al skinny and overgrown duty looks like I'm like homeless He does homeless. Yeah, like a homeless werewolf I didn't get a haircut for a long time My beard was a lot. It was terrible. Today I did an interview I was on Jordan shot a sciat's podcast shout out to him great trainer. I love and I don't Real I didn't pay attention. I had on my Adidas. I have this Adidas, like, I don't know what you call it, like jumper suit, like jacket thing or whatever. Let's get the red track jacket. Yeah, there you go. And I can see myself on the screen because it's virtual. And I'm like, I

I matched the walls. I don't know how to plan this for all. I look the same. Yeah. No, camouflage. It was hella funny. Dude, you guys guys I messed up the other day, and I'm gonna bring this up even though you guys are a razz before this for Jessica's mother's day How well you at least remember this is the best ever dude So is this all like just last minute decision-making? No, that's what makes even worse dude I like like two weeks, I booked flowers for Jessica to get there on Mother's Day. Yeah.

And we're having a baby girl, because that's what we know we have. We have the name picked out already. Hope she's getting mad, but Dahlia is the name that we want for this girl. So I'm like, Dahlia's. And the reason why we picked the name is both of us like Dahlia's, and we also like the way it looks

with the age and everything looks really cool. So my Dalias, it'll come from my son, Raylius, it'll be like, hey mommy, happy Mother's Day, whatever. First of all, it doesn't even get there on Mother's Day. It's delayed, so it gets to the night after and it's fake flowers. They're not even real. No, dude, it's fake flowers.

Did you just not read that part on the website? Did they, dude, I have the worst. It's like my love for you, honey, it's forever. Yeah, that, it's fake flowers. Did you just not read that part on the website? Or did they, did I have to work? It's like my love for you, honey, it's forever. Yeah, that's it. Just put the spin on it. They don't die. The irony of this story was when I asked them, like, really, are flower places like that?

He was, no, I didn't even use our flower. I'm like, we're sponsored by a flower company. And this fool uses somebody else's company. Yeah. I'm back, so I'm so sure you're right. Yeah, I know, it is confirmed. So I'm so sure you're right. Yeah, I know it is. It's a karma, right? So I went back to From You Flowers,

and hopefully this episode doesn't come out before she gets them, but I'm gonna get her some really nice real dollias. Not that fake. It's so, by the way, I don't remember the picture looking like this. It's like a box with fake flowers in a candle. It looks like something you would see at your grandma's house

I'm surprised you couldn't tell on the on the on the website. No, I don't know. Dude. I've been under a lot of stress There's been a lot of stuff going on bro Well, I had to do is dust them and then they're there, you know like you can keep she was a good sport about it I heard you on the phone with her so she was a good sport about it. Yeah, she's a good sport If she she knows that you know, I was really trying, you know, but I mean the fact that you did the whole like most is flower name thing Like I mean, I think you that redeems it like the fact because it wasn't if it was just like random like roses or something like that and it was fake And they were late so bad. That would be really really bad But the fact that you even sought out those specific flowers feels like okay

Well, he he definitely put some effort in it. Dude, so on that topic, you know, we had this as right, when Jessica and I first met, it was like, it was like, we were mag, it was magnetic, right? Super tri whatever. And so when you first meet someone, you fall that way, you share everything. We had this conversation early on a relationship where we said, you know, hey, what are your favorite names for, for like girls if you ever had another kid? Oh my God, you told me that early. It was all kinds of stuff we talked about.

You still that guy. I know, bro. I felt horrible. It's like day two. Hey, what would you want to name? You're just sitting cross leg, just like, you know, just like talking. Just face the holding hands, face the hands.

Yeah, I know, I know, I know. But you're gonna get a good two one hour. I'm gonna let you do it. I'm gonna let you do it. You're the rest of the story. So no, I said, it was weird because I've always loved the name, Dahlia. And I like the way, I like it because of the way it looks, D-A-H-L-I-A, so has she.

Now I didn't name my older daughter, Dahlia, because it's not really a tie-in name, and my ex-wife was a tie-in, so it was like off the table. But it was always a name that I liked, ever since I was a kid, same for her. How weird is that? So we both had this name. Then she got pregnant with Aralius.

It was a boy, so we didn't get to use it. And then this one was unplanned. So she got, and it's like, oh crap, I wonder if it's gonna be a girl. Now, where does that? It was meant to be. That's crazy. Well, that was kind of like, if we had a girl,

we're gonna call like Ava Jean, because like both of our grandma's, like, it's their names combined. And it was like, that sounds so like rockabilly. That's so rock, I like that. I would have been all about it, but you know. So I'll get a pass on to some, maybe one of my kids will use it.

You know, there's a little, not censor. I'm done, bro. Since we're emitting mistakes, I brought I fucked up bad this last week. So after having the flu, I'm sick, right? And also I've talked about how I'm coming mistakes, I brought I fucked up bad this last week. So after having the flu, I'm sick, right? And also I've talked about how I'm coming off the caffeine and create them and stuff.

So, you know, I went from my 700 milligrams all the way down to like a cup, I'm just one cup of coffee. But there's been a couple days where like the headaches have been so bad that I'm like, I need to at least get another cup of coffee just to like get rid of this. Because they're like coming on like migraines. So I was having one of those days and I was driving home from the studio and I pulled in just like a Starbucks really quick.

And you know how the Starbucks driveways, they're always like these narrow, tight little whiny things. And I'm like, oh, that turn goes real hard. They're always hard to. With a low curb. Bro. Oh, no. So I'm in the powder coated red rims.

Oh, you just got those done, dude. No, you did it. I Curved the I curb them there is negative 10 man, bro. It was the worst the worst curb job I've ever done on my life, dude on this it wasn't a rim job This close you got a good We had rim job dude. That is get a good. Wow, we had rim Dude that is for a man any guy listening right now watching this bro What I brought it in the guy you asked you old your wife do this. Yes, did you lie? I thought roll right and I was almost rolled over the bus But I felt like such an ass. I'm like, oh no that is the most for a guy. That's the most embarrassing thing

Like it is so you guys know that I did that to my rims a while ago too, right? Well, I was at the mall and they have in the parking lot, so stupid, these low-ass curbs. And I hit it and I heard and just immediately anger inside. And Jessica knows, like she's like quiet and everybody's quiet, the kids are quiet in the car. And I was pissed. But to add, and she was trying to be, you to be nice, to add insult to injury Jessica goes, you know, when you take it into the dealership, just tell them I did it, you know?

I'm like, that's even worse. Babe, I'm gonna own this. Yeah. Oh. Oh. They can fix them pretty good though. Yeah, no, I know they can do a good job. I don't know what it's gonna cost me or what do I do with that,

but it wasn't that expensive for mine. Oh, really? It was a couple hundred bucks. I don't know if it'll be more, yours are like alloy rims. You got a color on me. Yeah, you got a paint them again. Yeah, so they'll have to strip the paint

and then they'll have to probably buff it out and then they'll have to pop out. How bad is it is a lot of pro? It's the mix of my stomachs. I'll send this, Andrew's doing this, right? We're sending this over to Andrew today. Don't let me forget, I took a picture obviously because I sent it in and like told the guy,

I was like, bro, I gotta get you to fix these right here. Oh, that's the worst sound too when you're driving your car. It was, it was bad. Like, I mean, I was going, I was going enough speed that it wasn't like, I'm like, you know, that stopped. It's like, oh, I mean, it took like, I mean, I can't get back out of it at that point. It's like the same, right? So you gotta keep going.

And then I'm like still in the line and I'm waiting, right? And then we get my coffee. Oh, so it's before you got your coffee. Yeah, so I'm just like, I have a sit there. I'm gonna sit there and just wait. And then I'm like, oh, dude, like, and it's right away, I get to call. Did anybody see it?

Yeah. And I don't think anyone else saw it. That would have been a solid one. That's the worst is if you get some like, mechanic kind of guy that comes over like, oh my god, hey. Yeah. And then like tells you all the details

of what you did wrong. Yeah, well the worst part. You're gonna take the white shirt. Thanks, I'm glad you're here. You're not used to this kind of guy that comes over like, oh my God. And then like tells you all the details of what you did wrong. Yeah, well the worst part. Thanks, I'm glad you're here. You're not used to this kind of stuff. So the worst part, Katrina's like, oh my God, she was like, I can't believe you did that. Because when she's driving ever, if- Are you like, don't-

Yes, I'm always in all-park it. I was in all-park it. And I was like, I don't want you to curve the wheels. You could wheels. You're like, total waste of time. I know what I'm doing. And the worst part about it is these cars have hella sensors to say, you can like, cameras and shit.

So it's like, that's the, it ruined my day for sure. I mean, it was already bad enough. I got a headache and that's why I'm in there. And then that just was like to top it off. Bro, there's the only thing, and again, I did the same thing. Only the worst in that would be if you were startled next to your wife and you had a high pitch scream. There's nothing, that would be the worst.

That would be worse. Besides that, you know what I mean? Ah! You don't even be like a spider just comes up. Ah! Oh! Oh! I was by myself in the car, I definitely was like

custom and small. Give me your man card right now. I mean, there was, it was one of those ones that was so bad too that like there's been times where I've like hit something and you kind of hear it and you're like, oh, maybe it's not so bad, and it's like, maybe a little Nick those ones that was so bad too, that there's been times where I've hit something and you're kinda hearing, you're like, oh, maybe it's not so bad, and it's like, maybe a little Nick, or it's not too bad, it's like, there was, I'm like praying,

or maybe, maybe, just being like, no, this is bad. What is it about that? That you just feel so unmanely when you do something wrong in a car, you know what I mean? It's just because we're expected. I remember when I was at, when I was, when I get you for all the answers, dude,

and you're like, then you're just like revealing in what you don't know. Yeah. I admit it with though, it's stuff in the house. Oh, I don't admit it. I, that's a, you know, domain.

I try to keep that illusion. I remember once I was working with my dad, and he's like, hey, can you back up the work van up into this thing, whatever? And I just, I couldn't back it up, right? And all, and the workers were watching me, a bunch of dudes.

Never back to a trailer, back to a trailer, it takes some stuff. It does, yeah, yeah. Especially if it's a small trailer. The smaller the trailer, the more difficult that is. Yeah, no, I had like his workers watching me and I'm like 17 years old, you know? And I'm trying to do it.

Yeah, and then finally my dad comes over and he's like telling me what to do. And I'm like, oh bro. Oh. Take me home, I'm going to do it. And then finally my dad comes over and he's like telling me what to do. And I'm like, oh bro, take me home. I'm gonna go home right now. It's a very sad. There are things like that, right? I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know if this is a sexist to say that shit or it up.

But there's certain things like as a guy that you're just, you're just supposed to, you're just supposed to be able to do it. Yeah, it works. It's expected. It's true. And it works in the reverse. Like, if I'm at the park with the kids reverse. If I'm at the park with the kids,

just because I'm at the park with my kids, by myself, I've had people come up to me like, you're such a good dad. I'm like on my phone, you know, they're playing. Just get your dad on the weekends. Way different expectations, you know what I mean? I have friends like the divorce or whatever and the dad shows up every once in a while,

but he's a good guy. You push a stroller around on the other, you're so good. He shows up twice a week, you know Yeah, he's, he's, he's a good, you push a stroller around on that. You're so, he shows up twice a week. You know, I mean, we got low standards. So much. Yeah. Oh, my God, you're here. You got a good husband. I saw him wash dishes one time. Yeah. You know, it's like, whatever. You didn't even leave. Yeah, yeah. He's still here. Hey, so, Pat ourselves on the back, we, we apparently the launch of the new green juice flavor crushed with organified. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so I think we either presented well. There's some fans, of course. Yeah, no, I think the flavor is crushing. It is. I love it. That's really good. It tastes really good. I don't know what magic they do with their stuff, because even the regular green juice is incredible.

I was already amazing. Yeah, but they're super refreshing. It was a crisp apple, right? I said it right. I don't always say apple crisps, crisp apple. Really, really good. And they gave us our report. We get reports from our sponsors,

and they'll tell us how our fans like a product or not, or what's going on. Now it's like triple, what normal response? No, it flew off the shelves for sure. Speaking of them, I'm glad you brought them up. This is all personal, I don't get whatever we'll have in the podcast. Where are we at with you working with them? The formulation that you were doing is like,

I know, it's postponed. No, no, no, no, no, we're gonna do it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I can't talk about what it is though. Yeah, no, I know you can't talk about, but I knew that there was rumors that the girl that was helping I'm gonna say her name was, I don't wanna roll on the bus if she can't talk about her not. But that was helping I'm gonna say her name is I don't want to roll on the bus if she can't

You know if we can't talk about her not but that was working you were working with was originally going to leave and then she decided She stayed and so I didn't know if you like that project got lost in between that no no no, it's all going Oh, yeah, it's going good and we're working on a formulation together which you know, it's interesting I obviously being ignorant to the process. I've never Worked in a supplement company is this like sales dream. it's interesting. I obviously being ignorant to the process. I've never worked in a supplement coming. Isn't this like sales dream? He's living in a room. Oh, bro. Well, I'm so glad he's doing it to be late.

I've not supplemented for so long. It's because it's a headache. But didn't you used to do that like way back in the day? Yeah, you just like order them all individually, each ingredient and then. You know what I'm talking about? You know what I'm talking about almost died? I'm serious. I combined when I'm doing almost died. I'm serious dude.

I combined when I was a kid and I figured out supplements or I should say my addiction to supplements first started. I bought chemistry books and I learned about combining certain ingredients where and I combined a bunch of stimulants one time and it was bad dude. I remember I went to the Jail's 24th of fitness. I was, I don't know, six before I even became a trainer. a bunch of stimulants one time and it was bad dude. I remember I went to the Jellys of 24th Fitness,

I was, I don't know, six before I even became a trainer. So I was like 16, 17 and I worked out for like two and a half hours, like an idiot, like a maniac. I remember being like, this is amazing. I've discovered that. And then I came home and it was like nine o'clock at night and until maybe three a.m. I was laying in my bed. I'm never scared. I'm scared. And and it was like nine o'clock at night. And until maybe three a.m. I was laying in my bed.

I'm scared. Oh, and my heart was like, do do do. And I remember like thinking like, mom, I'm poor moms and a fine meat dead. And you know, which continued the morning. Nothing is more. I've had that one time when I was driving home and I probably drink like, I think it was like one and a half speed stacks. You know, this is when I was working for Adam.

And I was close out. Yeah, I'm just way more productive though. Let me tell you. Number one, the company. That was the secret. It don't lie. Procure some proofs in the pudding. Yeah, I was driving home and I was like,

I just, the sweat. And then like, you just, you just felt like you could never catch your breath completely and it was just like Oh dude tight tightness there dude. I'm gonna have a hard time. So so my dad is hilarious, right? You guys know my well, you don't know my dad too well, but you hear me tell stories. He's like He's a great man. He's one of his obviously one of my like number one mentors and idols But he's also a kid. He's also a big kid at heart. And so, he'll try supplements out too. So I got a call, I remember I got a call from him

in the middle of the night, and I think it's because he don't wanna wake my mom up. And he goes, so what do I'm like, you're right? What's going on? He goes, look, I drink, I take a drink, I have so much energy, I have a great workout, and I already know, it's like two o'clock in the morning Oh shit, and I you can't sleep. How do you feel right now? I don't feel good. What do I do?

I said, let's just chill and see what happens or whatever. What did you drink? He's like, uh, I think it's called yellow jacket or something like that Yeah, truck stops. Yeah And then he's like he proceeds to tell me how he did the whole stack on the peck deck. Oh, but I do the whole stack on the, you go, the one where your arms come together. Yeah, yeah. Like damn. Oh, so, okay, real talk to, okay, so I've been in this situation and okay, we're talking about really extreme situations, but I've even been in situations where, ah, damn, and I drank it too late.

Yeah. Or I had a little too much and what would you, what supplements or what adapted gins would you take to try and mitigate that to help you come down? You went too far. Oh, after you went too far. Yeah, you went too far. You don't get.

And then do you like take a cold shower or something to kind of not be too much stimulus? Yeah, you got to stay hydrated, make sure you have enough electrolytes. If you really feel scared, you definitely should go to hospital. But you could try chamomil tea, you could try... What about the mushrooms and so on that? Any adaptogens like that? I mean, it's not going to be acute enough to make a big difference. Oh really? Yeah, and you got to be careful of combining the wrong things. So I would go mild like Camamil.

And what's weird is this is paradoxical opposite effect sometimes if you go too crazy on stimulants, where you take something that you think is gonna bring you down and it actually brings you up. So really the best thing you could do, it's like, yeah, I'd be like eating two. You gotta write it out for the most part. It's like eating too strong of an edible. Like, well, okay.

Yeah, it's here. Wait a few hours now. There's not much. You're already out of it. Yeah, there's not much you could do. Interesting. I've always, I've never asked you that. I've thought about that too though.

I've thought about it too, or it's like there's been times where I'm like, damn it, what do I do right now? And that Camerrill T is something that I would do it now. But I actually would have thought to take like an ashwaganda or had done something like that to try and mitigate. I don't know how effective it would be, and I also would be worried about, like I said,

like a paradoxical effect on the body. I know that, believe it or not, Benzo's, right? So Benzo diapams, I hope I'm saying right, like Xanax, can actually cause these paradoxical opposite effects where someone will take it and get severe anxiety. It's not it's rare, but it can happen with some people and it can be quite dangerous. So I don't know.

But yeah, we're working on supplement together and I'm obviously ignorant to the whole process. Like, my dream is like, I'll just put what I want in there. I want this, this, this, yeah. Yeah, you know? Forget that there is a dead Margie. Oh, yes dream is like, I'll just put what I want in there. I want this, this, yeah. Yeah, you know? Forget that they're yet to have margins. Oh, yes, that's it. It tastes decent.

Yeah, because you'll sack by the way. There's exotic supplement. No one's ever heard of, you know, this agreement. But they have to find like the suppliers, we have to, oh, can we get it in time? Is it gonna mix properly? Is it gonna taste like garbage? Did you get it organic and purely sourced?

Yeah, so we had to work around all that, but what we've got come in is gonna be, it'll be pretty fun. I think that's a mistake a lot of people think when it comes to supplements, even when people critique certain supplements. Oh, this is whack, it doesn't have this or it's that. It's like, dude, you can't have your cake and eat too.

You can't ask for a product to be $19. And then you want all these things in it or else what you're probably getting is someone lying to you. Correct, so you have to keep that into consideration that like these products, when you have all these expensive things inside of it, it should be a red flag to you if you get it for like also the best price. Do you remember that drink? Okay, so in the gym,

I don't even have these anymore, really. Remember in the gym, so they would have that big fridge with like ready to mix, or excuse me, ready to drink drinks that were in there Yeah, like the ABB stuff. Yes. Yeah, you guys remember blue thunder. Yeah, that had everything in it You look at the back. Oh my god. It's good everything like it's got nothing. It's got a little bit of everything a lot of caffeine Yeah, it's right. Yeah, but I remember drinking that as a kid It feels like I've read about all these supplements must be awesome, you know, but not really anyway speaking of blue I watched did you guys watch the oh you do with me the trailer for avatar. Yes. Yeah, I didn't see it

I didn't see it it looks It's gonna be visually awesome. Yeah, very visual driven which was the first one was very much like a I mean It'll be cool to like you'll have to see it in the theater to really get the full experience like an iMac something or maybe like Like in a VR situation. I don't know, like something like... Emerson. Emerson, yeah, immersive,

because it's honestly the storyline, we'll see how it all plays out. I'm judging early, but it just, like, doesn't look like it's all that interesting. I mean, I have an interesting thing, so I'm almost gonna make a prediction that it'll be flat in comparison, just because Avatar was such a big deal because of because of the visual effects at the time. Yeah, and the imagination that went into it. That's right. Yeah

The storyline was creative. It was it was the the effects they did like they killed it and it was so new So unless they have some new effects that are gonna blow you away It's gonna be hard to rival I'm team human dude. We talked about this like the guy sells out the human race for these blue alien It's a blue alien tank basically Why didn't he solve all human race? I don't like the first well. I like the first one, but I also didn't like it because Yeah, I know the freaking humans on there exploding the planet and they're all bad people over there.

It's still, you're humans, bro. Just because you want to bang the blood of you. They're bloody you. You left your human, you fought and killed all the humans over that. I was like, dude, what a trader. Yeah. It was terrible. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, some political undertones at it, for sure. Of course. Well, it's very environmental-driven storyline. Well, speaking of it, since you guys are gonna go controversial stuff, I may as well drop this. So I wanted to talk to you guys about the six-year-old that ran the marathon. There's a lot of heat around it.

Like a lot of people shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, even definitely in the fitness community too. There's a lot of people posting about it and saying that it's irresponsible. Oh, no, man, there's some six-year-olds make a lot of electronics overseas. It work really hard. So I got some crazy stamina.

That's kidding. I'm so disappointed. I mean, I have mixed feelings on it, right? So I think my initial knee jerk reaction, because I know that we're always like trying to get people to like calm down with like the extreme running stuff. So my initial knee jerk reaction is like, oh great, you're getting this kid at six years old to adopt these behaviors early.

And I'm sure this can get an extreme later. And so that's my knee jerk reaction. And then I kind of settle down a little bit and read the way the article was written. And it says that it's not like the parents persuaded or forced the kid to run, the kid wanted to. And then I started to think, okay, I don't know what mom and dad do,

but I would imagine that, you know, my son's gonna grow up watching his mom and dad play basketball all the time, and at a very young age five or six, it's probably gonna wanna pick up a basketball and throw it around because you see mom and dad do that all the time. So if mom and dad are these like big-time marathon runners and it's a passion of theirs

and they incorporate as a family thing, it's not weird to me to think that you have a child who's six years old who has been doing maybe some of the runs with them and says, I really want to do this with you. And then what do you do as a parent in that situation? Yeah. What was it that Tommy, after he was last named the mountain climber guy. Called well. Called well, that, I mean his parents, right, were like always taking one of these like crazy climbs and things and like crossing over cliffs

and like like you've just used to like being around that environment, which you know, made it so it was just like, it just seemed like a natural progression. Sometimes kids have such a immediate crazy passion for something. I think you can definitely, you don't want to push them too hard, but if they love it and you monitor them, I think it's okay. I mean, a marathon sounds extreme to me, right? But I'm trying to imagine if I had a six-year-old who was like, please, let me do it, I really want to do it. I love it. I'd be hard to see now.

I'm going to come and run with you. I'm going to keep an eye on you and then see. So the critics I saw were saying things that the kid actually struggled to finish it. So I don't know how much truth is. I don't know what the definition of struggle looks like. You know, I'm saying like, does that mean it's hard? It's hard for anybody to run. Yeah. I'm like, what point is that? Right. And is in his end, what point does that bring out? And is in his, and we are like, what level of trouble? I've seen adults run marathons.

That was real dangerous. Well, yeah, no, I've seen adults have to crawl over finish lines. They've put their pants in. Yeah, bleed. Yeah, so we see this stuff happen. So, I mean, I think that's where the critics are coming from is that it is a very extreme version of that sport. And it's like, you know, maybe the more responsible thing to do would have been to run a half marathon

or do some like five K. Oh, okay. So I'm like new to this whole article because you guys read it. I didn't know much about it. But so this was like zero to I just want to do this marathon. Probably not. There's no way the kid would even be able to do it if they didn't run a lot. What's on wondering?

Yeah, I don't know. So it didn't go into detail about like kid would even be able to do it if they didn't run a lot. Well, that's not wondering. Yeah, I don't know. So it didn't go into detail about like the kid's training leading up to that, which we don't know, right? Which is also why I think it got a lot of criticism is because you're right. The, what we don't know very well could have happened is the mom and dad have been running with this kid

for the last year and a half and training up to that and then the kid was conditioned to handle that. Yeah, look, when you look at some of these phenomes, these athletes that grow up and just are incredible, like the William sisters or Tiger Woods, what you have is a combination of a kid that has incredible passion for whatever to do. They love it. And if anything-

Singularly focused on the thing. Yes, and anybody who has kids, like, you know this, like sometimes they'll get into something and it's like, it's like, they're so into it, it's insane. My son, when he was little, my oldest, he was so into Thomas the train. Like, it was insane. He could tell you, he named every single one,

he could tell you their stories, it was wild, and I don't have to push him to do it. So, you have these kids that are super, super, super passionate. And then you have parents that encourage it, take them to practice and then you develop into these extreme athletes. I don't know, it would depend on the situation. Like if I had a six year old that was like,

dad, please, like, oh, it's my favorite thing. I love it so much. I could see the joy in them. Then what I would do is I would try to be like, all right, let's make sure that they don't hurt themselves and they do this kind of the right way. I wouldn't try to push them. So I don't know what the situation is. Yeah, it's hard because the things that we're all bringing up at as examples, although

they're related and they're similar, they're still, they're a little bit different, like as far as the extreme of it, right? Like marathon running is pretty extreme. Like playing basketball like crazy for a long period of time or being into Thomas the train like radically or even playing another sport. Soccer, football, for hours on hours and being all into it is a little different than pushing yourself for 26 miles straight. So I think that's where the controversy is, like, nobody's saying about the serene sister, the William sisters playing tennis

You know till midnight every night with their dad and do I mean you guys just extreme. Yeah, very extreme very very extreme But is it as extreme as running 26 miles straight? I don't know. I mean how long does it take him to do it four hours? Yeah, I don't know so I mean those those girls were playing it. You think so. Yeah, well, it's a 26 miles how long the how long I did Let's see you ran I ran a half marathon and it the how long I did. Let's see you ran. I ran a half marathon and it did you really? Yeah, I did. Wow. Yeah, I know.

Believe it or not, like when you're 16 or something. No, no, this is when I was in my you tell the audience about your running. You're running deal the other day. Oh my god. Yeah. You know what? Can I sell you out? Yeah, please.

Sorry, because you're on the same boat. You know, if you don't pray, if you don't practice the skill, you lose it. We had such an old man gov. They should off air the other day. It's never run, right? I don't run, I stand by ground. Now I never run and I was taking mail across the street. There's like a mail place across the street

from the studio and I was walking across and cars were coming. So I ran across and I was like, as I'm doing it, I'm like, I don't know how to run anymore. Oh, I mean, is it responding? Oh, that feels weird, you know? If I push too hard, something's gonna break. So I'm gonna start incorporating a little bit right?

So I don't forget how to run, you know, my body like, forget how to do it. No, that's how the conversation started and then I was like, dude, you know, okay, so I'm not that bad, but what I have felt these moments where I have like, dude, I, you know, okay, so I'm not that bad, but I have felt these moments where I have like started to run, and I know I have at least another two or three gears, but I'm afraid.

Yeah. I'm afraid just because I know my, like my size right now, I know my size, my condition, and it's like, I've got the muscle and power to propel myself for, but I don't know if I have the elasticity and the ability to like, let the rest of my muscles to keep up. And since it's just screams, like, you're gonna tear something. So I feel like I'm like, that's so bad.

It's a skill. You don't, you don't do it. You forget your body forgets. Yeah, it's a bottom. Anything you don't do. And that conversation makes me want to incorporate sprints because even when I do cardio, it's like, and when I do like my mile thing, just to make sure I can still run a mile. Yeah. I'm doing it like you're just cruising. Yeah, I'm cruising. I'm not like sprinting the mile. Like, so I haven't done sprints. You know what's funny too? Is that in my mind, I'm like, well, no, I can sprint because, you know, I've done sprints up hill and stuff like that. And I'm like, wait a minute.

When's the last time I did that? Yeah. It was a long time ago. It's like every weekend where you're basketball player or any like I always see like this happen all the time like the first like shot or like move they make is like. Yeah. It's like so awful, dude. I know. Yeah. You have to keep practicing it, man.

Are you losing it all? You lose it, bro. You completely lose it. So I can, you know, so I'm going to start doing it again. Just so like, I mean, look, I did you jits you for a long time. If I lay on my back on the ground, and I did this the other day with my son, I was like picking him up on my feet and playing with him.

Man, I was really good off my back. I could play the guard role well, spider guard, and get the Riva and X, you know, guard house. I had him on my back, oh, this is uncomfortable. You could have haven't done it a long time. This toddler's too much for me. Yeah, I didn't have the like, dexterity, you know? Oh, what the hell's going on here, dude?

I mean, you know what, too. It has to, it's probably feels exaggerated for you right now because you're at some of your biggest right now as far as muscle wise, too. I'm, well, I'm not weight, but yes, but not weight, but muscle wise. I'm only two, like, 13 to 14. I've weighed a lot.

I've been, yeah, yeah. You're lean at two, 30. I mean, you're lean and muscular right now. So you have a very, and that's kind of like, I'm definitely, my athletic body is like, 190, 205. Really? Yeah, and I'm walking around.

Or 230, right? Yeah, 225, 230. So I know, and I'm not training that. So it's not like I can't get in that kids. It's during a different body, and you haven't practiced. Yeah, it's like screams, can't get in that case. You're in a different body and you haven't practiced. Yeah, it's like screams, like I'll hurt myself. Yeah, my athletic body is like one, like 187, you know, something like that.

That's where I feel really good when I was grappling. So I'm like, Jesus, I'm like 30 pounds heavier. What about your chest? What about your athletic body? 210, probably. Really? What do you do, 275 right now? At least.

280. Shut up, bro. No, are you even, you're not even, are you?5 right now? At least. That's 280. Shut up, bro. Now, are you even, you're not even, are you? I'm like 225 maybe. You're a good way right now. Yeah, like I, I mean, I definitely, I haven't weighed myself a long time, but I, I think, the thickness is still there.

Yeah, it's like, I'll use your waiver. If I'm at my heavy point, I'm usually 235, 230, and then when I start feeling good, I know I'm around like, you know, 220-ish, looks like that, so yeah. But yeah, 210 would be ideal, because I don't run flat footed anymore. It's like then I'm finally like up on,

you know, the four foot, and I'm actually a lot more athletic in my moves. Otherwise, I'm just like stomping around all heavy. That's me in the morning my wake up Just is like dude you're loud as fuck stop it. I Did my questions today and somebody asked if we can do any of us could do a muscle up a fuck no muscle up I used to be able to do those really who cares I do pull up. I do push up.

Does that count? You combined the two? I haven't had a jump over any concrete walls at any time recently. No, I mean, the goal for me to have that. I mean, honestly, the goal is to get no references. Yeah, I mean, get running from cops. Yeah, we're from cops. Let's do what I have.

Yeah, no, the goal is like health, like in the mental effects, really. I just like longevity and mental effects right now, because my focus is there. It's not less than the truth. The truth is this. This is what happens. I know right now I know we're probably going to get all kinds of criticism about what we sound like, but we're just honest. Yeah, the reality is that you're going to go through these different seasons of your life. And I know myself, too, I know I'm going to get on a kick or I'm going to want to look a certain way or I'm going to want to move a certain way. And that's what I love. And I think you have to be flexible with those

journeys and seasons through your life to be able to make it a lifelong pursuit. 100%. If you're, what are you going to be doing? Interesting. If you can max performance your whole life. You're super focused on one aspect of training all the time. And even if you crush it and you're great at it, like it's all, you're all about look. So you're all about performance. You're all about lift and heavier, you're all about your sport. That stuff eventually wears on anybody,

I don't care who you are, eventually you will move out of that season of your life, and if you were so married to only that way of training, you're gonna have a really hard time adapting to the new season of your life. Somebody just asked me that about also on my questions about, you know, does my training look like what it looked like or does my training look anything like what it used to look like when I was competing to now when I

have a son? I'm like, oh my god, no, it's like nothing like that right now. It's totally different. But I could still maintain a very fit and healthy physique, but it's different. Like my goals are different and I'm okay with that. And it doesn't mean that I won't maybe get a kick, you know, down the road where I want to do that. And maybe my son gets a little older and he starts getting into lifting and then that kind of lights a fire for me.

It's always there, which is cool. Yeah, you can, you can always get that back and or whatever that pursuit is. But I think that's what happens. It's I think so many people they identify with a modality, a way of training that they think is like, oh, this is me. If you want identity.

You want a lifelong relationship with exercise, it has to improve the quality of your life and it depends on the context of your life in the moment. Do I need stress relief? Do I need mental effects? Is it a time now to go for PRs or maximum performance? You know, oh, I got a lot of stress right now. Maybe this is something just to keep me, you know,

going so the stress doesn't overwhelm me. If you do that with fitness, you have a lifelong pursuit. If you don't and you do what you said, what people said, you know, what you were talking about where you're like, I'm always gonna be super performance guy. You're screwed. You're screwed. You're screwed because something in life is gonna happen and then that's not gonna happen and it's gonna crush you

and you're either gonna give up, which is what a lot of people do. If I can't be the maximum fitness, I'm not gonna work out anymore or you're gonna hurt yourself because you're so hardheaded about it. It's like the ultimate, ultimatum. You know, it's like, I have to do this and I'm done. Yeah.

Well, it wasn't that long ago where I had somebody on Instagram that their handle was like, you know, eat, lift, run, some shit like that. Oh, really? Yeah, no, it wasn't that guy. It was somebody else that was like, I wanted to pick with that. And the profile was like, no days off and stuff like that.

And they were making a comment about there's something that I had said on the podcast and saying something about how I make excuses about my workout routine and stuff like that. That's how you know that somebody doesn't have a lot of exercise with them. Well, I mean, it's like, you know, is that how you look at that?

Like you look at my journey of sharing with the audience of like where I'm personally at and how I'm lifting as an excuse? Like because I'm not pursuing this one way of training or I'm not lifting seven days a week, like man, you've definitely got a lot, and it was a trainer, right? So it was somebody who was like a new trainer, who's still in there.

And they're in that phase of their words, like it's new, they are training seven days a week, and it's all about disciplining consistency, and that's like, that's their messaging. Hard core. Yeah, it's like, or die. It's like, yeah, I remember that two, kid. Yeah, I remember thinking that's what it was like.

It's cute, it's new. Hey, speaking of kids, did I show you guys, I gotta pull this up, did I show you guys the latest statistics on like how much sex kids are not having these days? I say kids, it's actually not kids. Yeah, so I've seen this stat, it was young adults. It was in the Washington Post.

It was in the book, the one that was written by Jean Torre, I think. Oh, I know your time out. It was like, I plug or I gin. I gin. I gin is the book and they love that book because it went over all kinds of studies and stats and I remember reading this one and I was like, oh, this is weird.

So this was a general social survey. This was in the Washington Post. So this is the share of men under age 30. So we're not talking about kids. Under 30 who report zero female sex partners since they turned 18, okay? So from 18 to 30, so that's 12 years, okay? 27% no way.

20, almost a quarter of men between 18 and 30 are not having sex. Haven't had a single female partner, sexual partner. Okay, you want to know what that number was back when we were kids? It's still jerking off. Yeah, that's it. You know what that number was when we were kids? Like seven to like 12%.

Are you reading that right? That's what it says. I mean, am I interpreting that correct? Yes, I mean you're basically saying that men between the ages of 18 and 30 right now the share of men that almost a quarter of them more than a quarter Oh 27% oh 27. It's a 22 no 27 more than a quarter of them zero Have you mail six? Yes since they turned 18. Yep. Now, now let's I like to have a virgin's out there. That's interesting. I don't know if they're virgins, but it's just they're not having sex at all. So I mean, we could speculate, I have my theory. I have a real

strong theory on this. I think pornography has really caused some serious damage. I really, really do. I think it's, well, the book I, Jin, got into some of the things and they attributed it, I wish I remember all the things. I do remember one, right off the top of my head. One of the things is just simply living at home longer, too.

So, I mean, it's kind of hard to go have sex. Yeah, bring somebody back. Yeah, when you live with mom and dad still in your 26. So, stop, you guys. No. I don't mean you. Yeah, I wasn't having a. Oh, yeah, you were a version for a long time.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you did a lot of other stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're sneaky. But I mean, that was like the classic Christian. I wouldn't have sex.

Well, we did everything else. Yeah. We did. Yeah. No, so there was a couple other things. I wish I remember all of them, but I do remember that was one of them was like, the kids aren't leaving home either, till way later.

I think that the information around getting someone pregnant and STDs and stuff like that is more prevalent now than it was before too, so I think that. I don't disagree with the porn thing. I think pornography's had a huge impact. I think it's a lot of these things. Okay, then what do you guys think about? So I just read this article about Utah College. I think it's Westminster of these things. Okay, then what do you guys think about? So I just read this article about Utah College.

I think it's Westminster. I think that's what it was called. But the college has a course they created on the art of pornography. Why? Why? I bet that class is full too. Yeah, right.

I would have taken it. Come on. I'm an easy A. Yeah, yeah. How do you homework? Teach that. And so they literally were saying that they watch it in class and then they pick it apart

based on the cinematography or whatever, like artistic angle. They can find from this. First of all, I could not imagine being college aged and being in a classroom with women. So you got girls and guys in there and we're all watching porn and talking about it. That's, yeah.

If my kid signs up for that, I'm like, no, no, you're not doing that. No, I think it's had a profound impact on culture. Oh, you know, another one they attribute to is also just online dating in general. Yeah. That, like, they don't meet in person. Get it, stalls a lot of people. Yes.

Because you can you know oh no there's no like this doesn't match this doesn't match this well you would think you would it be it would be more sex because of the opportunities well yeah you would find what's wrong with them right away that's why yeah that's what that's what they're saying is that you so you would think that there's more success but and there are a lot of people that find marriage and stuff like that from online dating, but it's easier to just, oh, like, okay, if you meet someone right in like our time, you see them, you're initially attracted, you go over say hi,

and that's enough to have the courage to say, can I take you on a date or whatever, and then you go find out about them on the date, and you go, and maybe you end up having things you like, you don't like, but the online of here. Well the, I mean, I've paid for dinner. I mean, it's got weird thumbs on. But online dating, you know, you have, you have these kids that they've decided that, you know, I want this, I want this, I want this, I want this, I want this, I want that. And then they're going through and it's like, oh, she's got that. She's got, oh, she

doesn't have. So here's, so here's why I think it was I think pornography plays the biggest role. It historically it's been the men have always been the pursuers. Okay, this is just It's not this is true. Men have been the pursuers male erectile dysfunction in young men exploded did not exist before almost didn't exist in in men They're included actually it is it's gone through the roof. Lots of these men are reporting that they prefer, okay, prefer pornography to normal sex. And that in real life,

because your brain is quite plastic when you're young. There's no rejection in that. Well, it's also because our brains are pretty plastic anyway when it comes to drugs and pornography effects the brain in very similar ways. But when you're younger, your brain can actually model itself more than when you're older. So in real life, you're not aroused.

You're not as aroused, you can't... You know, you got to think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug.

You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a drug. You think of it as a point where you're this person who good Smash is a bag of candy every single day and then you ask Here's a bowl of fruit. That's right. They go eat fruit and fruit is unbelievably bland Totally. They've couldn't completely recondition it's not only that. It's the novelty It's obviously the unrealistic expectations. Well, you know, this girl. She's not she's not down to frickin Whatever we're 19 years old and you think she's gonna act like a porn star Yeah, I do some weird shit with you whatever male It's it's just it's rude. It's totally ruining situations and it actually affects the brain in very similar ways to

To drugs your receptors down regulate your body try your brain tries to adapt and then everything becomes more blunted So depression goes up anxiety goes up sex drive goes down, your not is aroused or stimulated like you normally would. We should learn all those things with your partner, right? Like it takes a lot of the mystery out of it. Well, I mean, I was just such a hard one for me to weigh in on it because I never went through a phase

where I was like a big pornography guy. Well, we grew up at a time when pornography, during those ages, right? Where it was like, oh my God. Think about this one. It was like, yeah, it was like, literally pages out of a magazine, a handful of times, but we knew where those pages were in the woods. And they were the same pages.

Okay, so imagine this. That was what porn was. Imagine we're all 15. You have an iPhone with access to pornography. Okay, really? You don't think that we could have potentially become a problem? I mean, I had access at one point. Okay, it's hard to say. I mean, I mean, we had

access by the time we were in our 20s. Yeah, but by that point, your brain has been modeled differently. We've developed different behaviors. That's fair. Different social interactions. I mean, I think that's my point of why I say I have a hard time weighing in on it because, I tend to try not to speak on too many things that I don't have any experience around. And this is an area where I'd never went through a phase of like, wow, I have to like... Well, I'll... ...temper like this addiction or this... or what I could potentially... I mean, I'm the one who openly is talking about my cradum and caffeine thing that I'm going to think of. I would share with the audience if there was ever a time in my life where I felt like man have a hard time.

Well, so I went, so I completely absent it with any, and this was just my own personal thing with pornography, with any of that stuff on my own. And what I found was that connection to my spouse increased sexual pleasure and desire went through the roof. So it had an effect on me, and it wasn't like a kid who was you know in my room All day long with my phone or with my computer So I can only imagine

Especially if think about it if as a man as a young man you're 17 years old or whatever The like you got to go take a risk to talk to girls and you're gonna get rejected and whatever or I could go look at you know 50 million videos and you know you get that and whatever. Or I could go look at 50 million videos and you get that, what they call the post nut clarity. Like you're always in the state of mind where you don't wanna pursue women and stuff. So, and they're impacting marriages, it's impacting depression, anxiety.

And it's one of those things. I could see it being problematic. And I myself had had to pull myself away from it just because it was one of those things Just like anything else I talk about caffeine is a big one for me too It's it's just got a draw where it's like, you know if you're working on things or like you know like you're just Get fixated on on sex and it's available. It's just one of those things you're're like, oh, this is easy as that. And it does. It interrupts like the whole relationship,

conversational aspects to it. Just like, you know, that intimacy, like somewhat gets removed. You're separating, you're separating sex act from connection and from all the other stuff that historically would follow along. Yeah. So it's very much a drug.

It's very much just the dopamine, but without the oxygen. It's very similar. It's very similar. Without the connection, without the bonding. So it has a pretty profound impact. And our brains were not designed to have that kind of novelty. I wonder how much of an individual variance there is from like brain. Because it's not like I haven't like gone through phases where I've tried, like I've

actually tried to like get into porn. Yeah. Like I've actually, tried to get into porn. Yeah. I've actually, let me get into this. Everyone talks about how great it is. It's not that great. They're all shoot a film. I know, I just, I really mean by get into it. I mean, you know, that's never been my thing.

I just don't think that it doesn't do it from the same way. So I'm wondering is there, and is there some sort of, probably, like with anything? Yeah. Like, you know, I was like some people like... Probably. Like with anything. Yeah. Like, you know how some people like, like Katrina's family in like alcohol, I think it all, my family, it's like pills and things like that. So definitely certain thing.

Probably. I would think there has something to do with that. It's too like a religious home setting, all that. I think that played a factor just being like, look down upon like a whole time like the shame around sex. That's what you would think would drive me that way because it was taboo in my house, right? There was something that would be...

Yeah, but you developed it without lots of pornography. You developed it with actually meeting girls talking to them. Right, it became a game to get to know more girls. Those skills right, you had to take all the risk, get it rejected, you had to talk to girls. So that's how you developed. But because of that chart, I was actually reading research on this because now we finally have some research

and these popular pornography sites are reporting less and less interest in conventional pornography. So like normal sex gets weird stuff. Bro, it's all this weird stuff. Like it goes right back to my analogy with the sugar. It gets more extreme Yeah, like you start off with just like one candy or and then the next thing you know

You're eating like the super sweet stuff and then I'll What the hell go on I'm gonna I'm gonna make a quick. Let's get out of this One of our sponsors just got listed what I forgot where it was, I'm gonna find out the place it was just listed. Oh, Jackie sent that over. Yes, what was the title of that? Butcherbox, yes. One of the best places to work.

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so cool to see our partners in the league. A lot of people don't know what our process is when we pick partners. It's not like, hey, how much will you pay us? Yeah, we'll do it. It's like, you're interested, or we seek them out. Do we like your product?

Do we use it? Then we get to meet the owners. Do we like them? If we don't like them, I don't care what you're selling. I'm not going to work with it. And then do we go and meet the team? Do we like the team? Ooh, it's a good environment.

And butcher box has always given us, I mean, just great. Yeah, overdelivered for us. Overdelivered, it's awesome. Overdelivered. No, no, no, no, I love them. Oh, you know what we should do since you're talking about partners? We should make a correction on something

because you did fire some people up on the forum about the public goods comment you made. Did you see that? They said the prices went up there as well, and that's in that. Generally speaking, I still stand by what I said. Generally speaking, subscription services because they don't have as many middlemen and because they already collect the fee from your subscription, they are more protected from inflation. It will be a better option for sure. It's generally speaking.

Now you can go on a, you know, yeah Costco could have a specific sale on one product to drop people in or Safeway or whatever, but when you talk across the board, subscription services are going to be more resilient too. Well, I think that was the problem they had with that statement you made was that generally speaking in this case, it wasn't true. I think a better way to say it would be this even with it going up

It's still cheaper than anywhere. That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I was yeah That's what I'm trying to say because it's still the best option right now Because they're right now back was like, you know, the percentage of increase was a significant Yeah, the increase was as much or more than what they see in the grocery stores But my point that I when I comment and said, well, where can you find razor blades for $4 anywhere? Yeah, it might have went from $2 to $4 or whatever it was. I don't even know, increased by it.

That's my point. Like, everything's gonna get touched with the supply chain issues. Everything's gonna get touched with inflation. Butcherbox sells meat. Meat is getting hammered right now. But if you look across the way, yes, you can find specific singular sales like the grocery store

Oh, you know ground beef for sale, you know, whatever But if you look across the board subscription services are way better suited to whether the storm their prices Probably gonna still go up to was it one of you guys always predicting the me or told me about what were they somebody said There's an economist on Twitter. I forgot their name. I follow them But they said oh expect red meat to cost five times as much. Five times? What's in the next couple of years? Yeah.

Holy cow. I know. We're getting by some cows. Well, I mean, I think we're finally here, right? We have been going back and forth and, you know, lightly debating the correction or the recession for the last two or three years. And I mean, I think we're officially in it, the beginning of it at least.

And I think the stock market obviously points to that. I mean, that's a good predictor of the future, right? Because that's people putting money in, thinking of what's gonna happen. That's right, I'm betting on what's gonna happen. So people are pulling out, getting their money out, so with that almost certain that's gonna go that direction. The estimates I've heard that from the people that I think I respect the most in the space,

because obviously there's always a alarmist and there's always other people that are like, it's fine, 10 to 30% in real estate over the next 16 to 20%. If you're a home buyer, that's good. If you're in the market to buy. Potentially, it's going to be an interesting dynamic, right? Part of what's going to cause that, because we're still, we're still, for the people that are still bullish on the real estate market, because it still is moving relatively quick. Is it because of the supply still low? The supply is still low.

But they, but they predict, I mean, they are, they, but they're just, it's slow because of supply and demand stuff and lumber and everything like that, but it's catching up, right? And I think a good place to watch is Idaho. All the stuff that I've been watching for the last couple of years, Idaho was building the fastest and was going to catch up to the demand. Oh, I see. So they'll meet the demand the best. Yeah, so when the correction begins to happen, which I believe we're starting to see that, they, I believe, will feel it the most first. And I think that will give you an idea of what the rest of the country will probably look like.

Well, here's what I learned. I predict. Here's what I learned in 2008 when that happened. I mean, I already owned my home, and so we kind of weathered the storm. But I remember 2008 happened massive crash And then there were all these investors who had money ready and they went into bot all these probably all these homes at low prices So that would be the position I'd want to be in is like okay when it hits the bottom Let's go buy things the interesting part about that is so the the like I said the the range is 10 to 30 percent 10 the conservative people are saying we're gonna see a 30%. 10, the conservative people are saying, we're gonna see a 10% hit, the more aggressive people

are saying we're gonna see about a 30% hit. You know, say the houses go down 30%, they're still more expensive than that they were just two years ago. That's the point. So when the O8 crash, we saw like 50%, 60% reduction. You saw homes cut in half, you know, and like lose all kinds.

Where that's why, I mean, obviously a lot of people will call this a crash too. I mean, I call it more of a correction probably coming, you know, or a mild recession. I don't think it's going to be an 08 crash. So it's going to, it's going to be a little bit different. And then interest rates will be high. So you, I don't know if I'll see the same flood of cash buyers like we saw before. I obviously there's people like ourselves that are positioning for this potential opportunity, but I mean, I predict interest rates are gonna be,

you know, six and a half, seven percent. Still low historically. Yeah, historically. Whether like 15% when they fixed inflation in the 80s, which they can't do now, we have too much debt. And I'm still standing by my prediction on the popularity of the 40-year mortgage.

I think that is how, because even when this recession or correction happens, even if it were to go down 30%, a lot of these homes will still be out of reach for all of you and then definitely out of reach if it's at a 7% interest rate. Yeah, the interest rates are incredible. And so I think the way to stimulate it again, I think it's gonna be the big push

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Tricep exercises. Oh, I just answered this in my questions today. Did you? Yeah, I want to pursue. I want to say the same person. What did you say? I said dips and in close grip bench press. Yeah.

That was my quick generic answer. Yeah, I remember reading an article when I was a kid. It was Flex Magazine. Mike Moderato was on the cover. He's passed away now. Big massive arms. And I was like, best arm exercise. And in there, I remember them saying,

the tricep makes up 70% of your arm size. And I was like, what? Everybody that focuses on the biceps, so I'm gonna build up my tricep. But anyway, I had a bunch of exercises and stuff. And I agree with you. I think dips are incredible. Closquit bench presses, incredible.

No other exercises ever packed on as much muscle and strength in my triceps as those. And then if I go isolation or single joint, I love a good skull crusher and an overhead tricep extension. Those are my favorite. Well, let's expand on that because I want to explain to the, because you just kind of went out

grazed over something really quick. There are glossed over something really quick that I think maybe not everybody understands. And I've been critiqued before for some reason by some fitness dorks that think the close grip bench press is not one of the better exercises for it. And I think you're an idiot if that's the case. The close grip bench press and the dips, what makes it such a powerful, you know, mass building for the tricep is the compound movement.

Yeah. They're both compound movements, which means you can end up loading them way more. Yeah. What you can do on a dip in a closer bench press, you can load more, yeah, you'd be so full-size. That's right. 200 plus pounds I can do on those things, right?

So my body weight plus carrying another 25, 30, 40 pound kettlebell underneath me, and then I can do a closer at bench press with 225 plus on there. I mean, if you can get to that place, you can put on this. You're not doing a school, most people cannot, school crush what they can,

no, no, no, no, no, no. And a lot of these idiots that try and make this argument when I make a statement like this is they always refer to the dumbass, the muscle activation. Yeah, CMG shows activation or whatever. I didn't tell you a whole lot. I mean, that tells you something, but it didn't tell you a whole lot. I mean, that tells you something, but it didn't tell you a whole lot in a real world. These exercises just work compound lifts,

just do their active, but the force demand isn't quite as substantial. And then there's still a caveat to all that, right? Which is if you only do close grip bench press and dips all the time, then Cole Crusher's will put on the most match. Yeah, and also, So keep that in mind too. And also, I'm not saying, we're not saying, just do those. Right.

The answer is, You're asking the top tier ones. That's it. One of the best, right? And here's a tip that will really make a difference with tricep development. If you want to pick a combination of exercises for your triceps,

pick them based off of elbow position, meaning if I do dips, like body weight dips, that's basically my elbows at my side. Then I wanna pick an exercise where my elbows are in front of me, a close grip, push up a work, and so will a skull crusher. And then third, an exercise where my elbows are up by my head. So I'm doing an overhead tricep extension.

That lengthens the triceps in different ways, and it's a different type of tension versus five different versions of press downs. Where your elbow is at your side every single time or five different ways of doing skull crushers where your elbow's on the same position. Well, I loved weighted dips and that's something I always incorporate, but I also love to really stress them out with instability with the Olympic rings.

Oh, and the depth that that provides. The only point to bringing that up is that you don't see a lot of the rings or also I would agree the depth that that provides, the only point that can bring that up is that you don't see a lot of the rings or also I would agree with you that that would draw. I know, it's not, yeah, it's like, oh, go do some. You know, a lot of people are gonna pull that off, but they're really challenging, but I mean, to me, that's like the ultimate of

what I've experienced in terms of growth in my triceps. Oh yeah, it's the best. And here's a good combination exercise. If you want to have fun, you could do a skull crusher to a closed grip press with the same way. So once you fatigue with your skull crusher, then bring it down the same way and do closed grip. It's a nice combination.

Also, when you do a skull crusher, there's a couple different ways to do them. The way I like to do it is I like to not bring the barbell down to my forehead. You like behind your head. I like to bring the elbows back a little bit and get a a larger range of motion and then come up and then here's the thing people screw up with the skull crusher. They don't squeeze hard at the top. Let me tell you, you add that hard squeeze at the top. Oh, I lock out. Yeah. Very, very different. But there, I mean, there you go. And I'll tell you what, like power lifters have some of the biggest triceps in the world, and they do some isolation exercise,

but a lot of it comes from just bench press. Bench press and clover. Bench press and clover. Yeah, I'm at one point, I made it like a mission to see how strong I could get on the clover strip. I got up to 300 pounds. And I mean, my triceps always responded well, but I nothing built my triceps like that.

Nothing came close. Next question is from Lance R. Meyer. I've recently added heavy dumbbell farmer carries to my workout. Does adding them to the end of a full body workout make sense as a finisher? I'm a new lifter looking to pack on muscle. I mean, you can do them at the end,

but you're beginning. At the beginning. Yeah, that's really the beginning. So, okay, so it depends on how I use it. Like, if I was like, let's say we're all listening to each other and we're like challenging each other like how much we could carry former carries, like I would do at the end of the workout.

But if I was like trying to like... Like as a gas or... Yeah, like trying to gas out, just see how heavy we can get on it. I wouldn't do that pre workout. I would be more form technique in trying to like activate everything to prime. That's where I see the most value with that.

That's what I think too. So I think that's that matters. And the reason why I want to make that clear is because of course on social media you see a lot of people doing stuff like this and a lot of people are always showing off how much weight they can do. And so if you attack it with the idea of I'm going to try and see how heavy I can do these farmer carries. That's kind of your way. and there's value in doing that, so I'm not gonna say that's bad,

but if you're gonna do that, I would put the end of the workout. If you were gonna do it the way I like to use them, and I think you guys probably use them most of the time. Turns everything on. Yes, it wakes the entire body up from head to toe. Yeah, I totally agree. I do, however, program it a bit differently with high school kids, and this is just really to reinforce posture after they're in a bit a certain level of fatigue. Oh, I see.

So, you do at the end of the workout. I do at the end, and really, like I'm strict with their posture and like, whether tight and whether not and I'll tell them like, as we're going through. But really, it's just to put that load demand, build volume, work capacity. Work capacity. And also to be able to maintain that position while under fatigue. Well, you just brought up a good point.

Okay, this is where, you know, again, the nuances of training, right? Like who this person is? Yeah, that is. Is this an athlete? Is this just an, you know, an average gym goer who hears us talk about the benefits of farmer carries and wants to incorporate in the workout?

Or is this like a football kid, like you're saying? Or is this a guy who's trying to actually be super strong at doing far, there's a lot of different ways to use it. None of them are wrong. Depending on my desired outcome from it is how I'm going to approach it in the workout. So I mean, you just brought up a good point on how you would do that. When you're fatigue, can you maintain posture? You know, which I think would be important

when you're playing football and you're play after play after play, your stability goes down, you're getting hurt. You know, that's what happens at the end of the game. I would have seen. Yeah, personally, I like them at the beginning. If I'm gonna do farmer carries, I do them in the beginning, and if I'm gonna make them like part of the workout workout, like when I followed map strong, I went heavy.

I got up to 455 pound heavy trap bar. There's a farm. And my, my years of funny thing. So you'd expect scheduled on the, they are off foundational days. Well, they're called work sessions. Right. And the work sessions are part of the workouts. Yeah.

But I mean, I think that's important. No, because I think would you do that right before you go into like a bench press and a deadlift? Well, so it's programmed in there as a foundational exercise because strong man competitions involve carrying heavy things. So I'd never programmed it. I either programmed it as a way to turn on my CNS

or as a way like you said to work on my posture, but I'd never made it like the exercise of the workout or whatever. With maps strong, I did and I had some re I expected my traps and some of my back to develop did not expect my biceps to grow and they did because of the tension of holding them in their length and position and isometric position. Oh my God. And I felt my like the day after you know, you know, after you work out for a long time, you guys know this, you ever have a workout in the day after you're like, Oh, that made me grow.

Like I could tell that did something. It was like that with those heavy farmer walks. And they're programmed in that workout. It's that is like the one of the core parts of that workout is the farmer carries. Yep. Next question is from Billy Zaremsky. What's the best way to get your quads engaged if you're having a hard time feeling them when back squatting? Yeah, you know what's

funny? Didn't you just get somebody to ask you this the other day? I did. And you know, okay, so there's a per... A live collar, he's a live collar. He's a live collar, right? Well, we were talking about pre-exhausting us up, but there's a person in the loop... Yeah, this is dominant, which is like rare. Rare. Well, there's a person in this room. That's like that with squats, this Doug. Doug is all but when he squats. And he's always talked about again. And so what do we do? We elevated his heels.

One of the easiest ways to get your quads to fire hard with the squat is to put a block under your heels because then you get more knee moving forward. Or to your inner and inner. You can also, the old bodybuilder trick is, you put a block under your heels and you get a more narrow stance. Now you're really getting some hard quad activation. Now, the tricks that we talked about in the past episode

were do, you know, isolation exercises first, so like leg extensions first or sissy squats first. I had to try and turn them on first. Yeah, but if you're doing squats, and you're like, I wanna feel some of my quads. Elevate your heels, bring your legs closer together, and that becomes a quad squat. I mean, you really feel like that. You could also do, I mean, you could do a little bit of an elevated heel with a four lean

in a Bulgarian squat. Oh, nasty. Yeah, so elevate the, obviously, Bulgarian squat, your split stance, and when you go down, hold the dumbbells, lean your chest over a tiny bit, and the heel is elevated, and you'll, oh man. Focus on front squats for quite a while. Thank you.

I was just gonna say that. Get focused on that. A lot of people avoid them like the plague. I think it's a good point too. I know this person is asking how do I get my quads to fire more on the back squat, but there you go, how about bail on the back squat front? You're gonna, why not just let go of bat?

And I do this for a while. There's times where I'm gonna kick. If I know I've been collecting the front squat, I'll completely bail on the back squat and not back squat for a while and only front squat when I squat. Yeah, front squats have to be a real front squat. Has to be one of the most underrated

or underutilized exercise. It's hard, but so functionally driven. Bro, I tell you what, man, old school, old school bodybuilders used to do back squats and front squats in the workout. That's how they would combine the workout. Back squats, front squats. And I've done that before.

And it's brutal. Front squats toast the quads. They hammer the quads, especially, especially, if you elevate the heels a little bit. I mean, it will get those quads on fire, especially if you're glued dominant. By the way, this is more rare. It's usually that way around.

Usually people like, how do I get my glutes to fire more? Yeah. When I squat, but like I said, we did this with Doug recently. He was like, my quads, I want to build my quads up, my butt keeps growing, and Adam's like, nah, keep the butt ground, man. Yeah, yeah. I know, but we said it looks great.

Don't stop the magic, Doug. No, but we elevated his heels and you know, you got some good results from it. It's awesome. Next question is from Spencer Antifave. You guys have shared studies showing that you need way less volume to maintain muscle and strength than to build it.

However, I still feel like when I cut volume any more than one half, I lose muscle and strength. What's up with this? Yeah, well, first of all, cutting your volume in half or up to, or even a quarter, it volume in half or up to or even a quarter. It's pretty good cutting volume to not notice those effects. But here's what happens. And I this used to fool me all the time. And it's still can if I take days off. You don't feel as pumped. Yeah. So you feel smaller. Also strength. Strength is a skill.

If you cut your volume down from a fourth to or a fifth down or you bring it down way down. Even if you keep the same amount of muscle, you're not going to be a strong because strength is so much of a skill that if you don't practice certain lifts often enough, you're just not going to be as strong at them. You know, in his defense, I really didn't notice this as much until I had been lifting for well over a decade. Good point. So like it, I didn't, I probably can totally relate to how he feels right now in the first

10 years of lifting because it did feel that way. That's a good point. And I'm sure you're right. Half of it was probably psychological, you know, maybe some of it was a little truth that I wasn't been able to do it. You know, maybe my training five to seven days a week gave me the illusion that I had more muscle than I even really technically had, right?

So there's probably a lot of factors that were in play in my first 10 years. It wasn't until I got beyond that first decade that I really start to notice that, and I used to say this all the time, I mean, Katrina and I have talked about it in just the 13 years. We've been together, it's like,

you know, isn't it so cool how we can kind of fall off and not be consistent? And yet, our out of shape is better than what our end shape looked 10 years ago. And that's a testament to all that muscle that we've built over those years. It'll hang on. I'm not familiar with any studies that have been done on this. I would love it if there were for someone to share them, but I doubt it. But I 100% believe that the longer you keep muscle, the easier it is to keep muscle. So if you've built, if you just built 10 pounds of muscle and then you lost it, you'll

get it back fast. That sounds like a doctoric anti-galpin study. Totally. I was just going to say that. I wonder if he has. I would have gonna say that. I wonder if he has. I had to ask him. I wouldn't be so... You know, and to that point, I tell you what, the biggest leap in my entire training career

came from my competitive run. I had never trained so consistently, put on so much muscle than in those three years, and after those three years, I've like, I was easy to keep up. Oh my God, I haven't seen under two, I used to struggle right before competing. It was hard to still keep over 200 pounds on my body

and it's like, I can't tell you how hard it would be to get under 200. Yeah, we have a proof of muscle memory, right? Yep, so I mean, it's all factors in, but yeah, I'd be interested in to see if that's the reason I'm really excited. I think it seems obvious, you know? I mean, everything from a CNS

to also the total amount of muscle that you've built, like from doing the more time under the iron that you have placed and years of training and keeping muscle and being consistent with it, I think the easier it is going to get. It's a relatively new lifter and you hear I say that and it's like, bro, you've only been lifting for a couple of years.

In other words, if you gain 10 pounds and then it takes you a year to gain it and you lose it, you'll gain it back way faster the second time around. However, if you gain 10 pounds and keep that 10 pounds for 10 years, I bet you you lose it way slower. It's like hardwired. It's like a part of who you are.

And I 100% look. Well, here's another good example. Remember Pekolsky? Oh, yeah. He had to try. Trying to lose. Perfect. Yeah.

The guy had trained so hard, so consistently for so many decades. And I remember the first time we were talking to him off air. And he was just like, bro, I'm trying to lose 100 pounds. Yeah, I'm trying to be a yogi. Yeah, I'm eating once a day. I'm like walk you on time. I'm barely lifting. And that guy, right? I'm eating once a day. I'm like walk-y on time, I'm barely lifting,

like, and that guy couldn't lose muscle, couldn't lose muscle-y trunks. I'm stuck on them. I remember when I met an old, I was like 82-year-old man, this is when I had my studio, and he was eating breakfast next story, so he'd be next to a breakfast place,

and he walked in, because he saw the kettlebells, and he lifted it up, he started messing around with him. And I said, hey, you like these, you know, and started talking to him, I thought he'd be a client maybe, and he had a Russian accent. And I said, hey, you like these? And I started talking to him. I thought he'd be a client maybe. And he had a Russian accent.

And he goes, I used to lift with these all the time. And I looked at him and he's got, had these like, and he was like, he asked him as age. That's why I know. He had these media ass forums. I'm like, you trained with kettlebells? And he goes, yeah, in Russia. And he goes, I used to compete for the Soviet Union.

So he was an Olympic lifter. And I'm like, how often do you work out now? I was like, I never work out. I he was an Olympic lifter. And I'm like, do you work, like how often do you work out now? I was like, I never work out. I haven't worked out for decades. And he look at this guy's forearms. And it was like, that's stuck. It ain't going to be.

Well, the thing about our bodies are adaptation machines. And if you have trained for decades, it just sends the signal. Yeah, well, it thinks, even if you took two, three years off of no lifting, it still thinks it's gonna get more of that because it's 10 years, total lifting,, three years off of no lifting, it still thinks it's going to get more of that because it's 10 years, only three years off. Totally.

It's still as adapted for that 10 years because it's still the bulk of what you've done over the last 13 years. So you got to think the longer you have consistently trained, I think that has to apply. And if you're a relatively new lifter who just started lifting for a year or two and you put your first five or ten pounds of muscle on and then you hear us go, oh, you only have to train one day a week to maintain that and you lose, it drops off. And I agree with you, you get it back if you were to pick the volume back up, but I'm sure that factor plays.

Well, what do bodybuilders call it? Muscle maturity. Yeah, they have competitive bodybuilders that hit the stage and they're huge in the rip, but they don't look the same as the more seasoned bodybuilders and they say, oh, you gotta be training more for that muscle maturity, which is a weird term, but they're talking about the quality of the look to muscle. So yeah, and you know, it's funny,

this is quite unique to strength training. Other forms of exercise don't quite produce this kind of, you know, dare I say permanent type of result. Like you lift weights, you build muscle and strength and the beauty of it is if you do it decade after decade after decade, as you get older, it gets easier to keep. Like other forms of exercise don't quite have that quality, which makes strength training a very, very attractive form of exercise for long-term success, for longevity.

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