Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1818: The Best Rear Delt Building Exercises, the Relationship Between Strength & Muscle Growth, the Truth About the Carnivore Diet & More

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best position to perform isometrics, the best rear delt workouts, gaining strength to gain muscle, and their opinion on the carnivore diet if someone is doing it for lifestyle purposes and not weight loss. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Sports, they’re NOT good for you. It’s not a healthy way to get fit. (2:46) The perfect recipe for a great pump! (15:47) Seed is great for adults and kids! (18:40) It’s the gopher apocalypse over at the Andrew’s household. (26:06) It’s spider season y’all! (30:37) Bunny rabbits are pets, right?! (32:27) Mind Pump Recommends, ‘Our Father’ on Netflix. (33:14) Sal is a fan of the AirPod Max headphones. (41:54) PRx now has a dumbbell wall mount! (43:05) Mind Pump Investments: The pandemic stocks taking a beating and the future for the real estate market. (44:47) Anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS) could increase chronic pain risk, a study suggests. (47:42) #Quah question #1 - When training isometrics, should you do them from the stretched position where you’re weaker or the mid-position where you’re stronger? (52:37) #Quah question #2 - What are the best rear delt workouts? (57:36) #Quah question #3 - You guys talk about gaining strength to gain muscle, but how do you know if you’re too weak? (1:01:52) #Quah question #4 - What is your opinion on the carnivore diet if someone is doing it for lifestyle purposes and not weight loss? (1:07:19) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01 Daily Synbiotic** Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! PRx Wall-Mount Dumbbell Storage May Promotion: MAPS Starter Bundle and MAPS Spilt 50% off! **Promo code MAYSPECIAL at checkout** ‘LeBron James spends $1 million/year on just body and mind recovery’: How Lakers star remains injury free at 35 WATCH: DK Metcalf says he eats 'three or four bags of candy' daily on Kevin Garnett's Showtime podcast Din Tai Fung 5 Crazy Stories You Didn’t Know About the Making of ‘Caddyshack’ Watch Our Father | Netflix Official Site Acute inflammatory response via neutrophil activation protects against the development of chronic pain How Taking NSAIDs Might Make Pain Worse – Mind Pump Blog Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** Mind Pump #1790: The Secret To An Attractive & Functional Body Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** Build your Rear Delts with this Cable Fly – Mind Pump TV How To Do A PROPER Dumbbell Rear Delt Fly – Mind Pump TV Strength Standards: Are You Strong? 5 Exercises For HUGE Forearms & A STRONGER Grip (FREE Big Arms Guide) HANDGRIP DYNAMOMETER – MIND PUMP STORE Mind Pump #1815: Improving Fat Loss, Muscle Gain And Fitness With Continuous Glucose Monitors Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym)  Instagram Eugene Teo (@coacheugeneteo)  Instagram Mikhaila Peterson (@mikhailapeterson)  Instagram  

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Ooh, yeah, man. Is this because you play sports ball? Yeah. Yeah, no, no, no, no. No, I like this conversation. We've talked on the podcast several times, especially when we've answered questions related to sports and we remind people of this.

Yeah. And I actually just happen to be going back through some of our comments on YouTube. And I don't get a chance to read them all, but sometimes I'll go through there and just kind of read what people are saying. And I saw this on multiple occasions where people were like, who's guys do know what they're talking about? Yeah, we should explain. Yeah, so I think the context matters here, right? Yes, like, okay, being active is better than not being active. Of course, it has to be appropriate because you can, you can work out or play sports in a way that's inappropriate

for your fitness and your body. In which case, it's not healthy. It could, you know, obviously hurt you and cause problems. But yeah, being appropriately active is always better than not being active. Now, here's where we're going when we say sports are not healthy. I think, first off, the roots of it are when we look at high level athletes as the epitome of health and fitness. So we look at a professional basketball player, a professional football player, a baseball player, and we say that is the epitome of fitness and health. I'm going to follow their routine.

I'm going to do what they do because that's what that is. And it's not what they are, what they really are is the epitome of performance for their given sport, not health and longevity. At some point, when you push performance past a certain point, you actually start to trade longevity and health for performance. It's most clear in professional football.

Professional football is one of the most, like just brutal, taxing, damaging sports. Look at the lifespan of the average professional football player. I think it's like, 50s or 60s, something like that. This is true for, look at a retired professional basketball player. Look at them when they're in their 50s and 60s. Watch them walk, watch them move, and you'll see lots of problems.

So at some point, you push performance, you lose longevity and health. This is true for strength sports too, powerlifting, bodybuilding, crossfit, whatever, you trade the two. So it's important to communicate this because we often look at athletes as the examples of health and longevity. They are not the examples of health and longevity. Those are the examples of performance, which is something that can be.

Well, and there's another piece of that that you're missing because you use the analogy and I'm glad you did. I wanted to bring up other ones because people are one of the things I saw with threads going back and forth were, you know, of course football, but not all sports. And I said name one, you know, name me a sport that isn't and I'll make the case for how it can be. Right. Cause it's not football seems so obvious cause you have two guys running full speed. So try to kill each other.

Car crashes. That's kind of obvious. Like people go like, okay, well, what, yeah, what, what about volleyball or basketball or baseball or tennis or golfing or some of these other, what is, what, well, yeah, what about volleyball or basketball or baseball or tennis or golfing or some of these other, what is, what the most unhealthy part about professional sports is the decades of repetitive movements, the same way, the same side over and over and over. So that is the- Blosive repetitive stress.

Yes. So that's the, like a golfer doesn't, a right handed golfer doesn't practice his left hand. This is a little balance Yeah, a right handed pitcher doesn't practice his left handed pitch a batter doesn't Practice the opposite side. So you become very very dominant on one side based off of your sport And there's not a lot of sports that have you equally balanced out and torx your spine It causes all kinds of problems down the road, from chronic, it's this chronic use of those same repetitive patterns.

And so in terms of us saying it's not healthy, this is, we're talking about the long term play here. Not, and also I wanna do a dress like the person that will play a sport to get in shape. Yes, thank you. This is a common thought, especially basketball tends to be one of those kind of sports to address the person that will play a sport to get in shape. Yes. This is a common thought, especially basketball tends to be one of those kind of sports that people just pick it up and they think that if I play it more often, I'm just going to be in really good shape and do good for my ball.

Okay, you know what the problem with that is? Here's what I'll tell you. Now, is that when you go into a sport to get into shape, you treat it like a workout. What does that mean? I'm going to go play basketball, I need to lose weight, so I'm gonna go play basketball. So what do you do? You play basketball hard.

You don't focus on skill, technique, balance. You know, this is like running. This is why running causes so many injuries. It's not that humans aren't good at running. Humans evolved to be amazing runners. Long distance runners were among the best in the animal kingdom. But the problem is people say, I'm gonna run to lose weight. So they don't go and practice the skill of running. They lace up their shoes and they go run until they're tired. So the technique is off by mechanics

are off. They mess themselves up. So when people pick up a sport to lose weight, that's what happens versus a kid signing up to play basketball. What does a coach do? A good coach teaches them skills. They teach them proper biomechanics. They teach them how to do the techniques and the moves to become better at that sport. Not just run them until they're totally exhausted. Bad coaches do that, but good ones don't. So that's the important thing to consider here is sports are yes, they're active.

And if you're appropriately active, it's better than not being active. So I want to be clear here that that's definitely true. But going to do a sport to lose weight, there's far better ways to do it. That's where this stems from. At least that for me, the passion behind telling people that and getting fired up and debating with people on how unhealthy sports can be is because I've seen so many people pick up a sport with the intent to lose 30 pounds or to get into good shape.

And it's a terrible strategy for that. If you're talking about longevity, overall health, staying fit for the rest of your life, playing a sport where you're going to do repetitive movements or because eventually that will wear down on the body and then maintaining whatever that sport might have got you to is going to be extremely difficult. That being said, I would never, ever, ever tell one of my clients who loves to play a sport, not to. Right? Right. I did want to address that too because there's a way that you can keep incorporating it in a healthy manner

which means you got to spend more time building the body up, reinforcing the joints, doing the excess mundane work, mobility wise and things that will help to keep you at top condition and bullet proof as you're going through these intensely rigorous type of movements that put a lot of stress and demand around the joints. So if you do put the work in, you can actually benefit your sport that you love to play. You just actually, as you go along, you have to kind of reframe it as this is, you're competing, you're performing, that's a different mentality towards the training side of things. We've evolved so much in the science of this, what you're talking about,

this is why professional athletes now spend millions of dollars a year on recovery. It's the reason why you see people like LeBron James that are going to play 20 plus years in a sport. No, it rarely ever happen and definitely not somebody that that explosive that big, but he spends a million dollars a year on taking care of his body. Now, you may not have to spend as much money and time, but you're also not training as hard and playing as hard. You're not a professional athlete. Right. But the same idea applies to you. If you want to play a sport into your 40s and 50s and 60s,

then you have to take the time to also take care of the body by protecting the joints and strengthening your core and rotational movement. Yeah, because there is a quality of life thing, right? I love doing it, right? Like you said, I love doing and enjoy. I love playsports. Quality of life contributes to health as well. And if you really enjoy it, like my dad, he loves riding a motorcycle. And he likes to ride it fast.

It's dangerous, but it improves his quality of life so much. He loves it so much that the risk is worth the reward for him, right? So by the way, you know that there've been like Roman artifacts or I should say artifacts, where they'll find burial sites with ancient soldiers and they'll pick up the bones and examine them. And they can tell which ones were used the bow, which ones through discus, which ones,

because they did rip the body. These, they did repetitive motions so often that their bones obviously morphed and adapted and you could tell by the spine and they'll see like one arm, one humerus is much thicker than the other. Like, well, this guy probably threw discus, you know, for a living or whatever. In England, I know they found a bunch of longbowmen

and they could see that the spine was twisted even. I mean, those longbows, you know, that was like a super, you know, military advancement at the time required. I think I was like 200 pounds worth of pulling power and their bodies contorted and twisted and adapted to that. So when you look at sports, what makes a sport that sport is a set type of movements, repetitive movements. You look at rowing, you look at baseball, or football, or basketball, or any of the sport, there's like repetitive movements within most sports, and that's what kind of develops some of those issues. Strength trainings in awesome form of exercise because I can mold it and modify it regardless

of what I'm doing in my life. So if I'm a rower and I'm constantly doing this rowing motion, I can help counter that with certain strength training exercise, it's kind of offset some of those potential issues that you might develop from doing that repetitive motion over and over again. Well, I'm glad you brought it up because it's another one of those things that reminds me of when we talk about cardio,

people love to take it out of context and then try and pick it apart. Like, I would never tell a client that loves playing their sport, to stop playing their sport. Like that's for the exact reasons you said. But the people that I think we are trying to address, which by the way, okay, the people we're trying to address are the larger population or the majority. Yeah.

It's, it's rare that I have somebody who is a ball player and just wants to keep it going their whole life. That's more rare. What's really common is that we idolize these professional athletes. We put them on the cover of Shape Magazine and Muscle Magazine and they have great bodies and we look at it and we want to emulate what they're doing.

And oh, by the way, they happen to play the sport I played when I was in high school. And so here I am 40 years old. I haven't played basketball since I was 16. And you know, I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get in shape because I wanna look like so and so. And you know, that's who we're trying to speak to. It's like, that's a terrible.

And that's such a high, it's such a high level. And also you're dealing with genetic anomalies. I don't remember, I should have wrote this down. I don't know athletes like you guys do, but there was a football player. I didn't know his name and he was wearing kind of the, you know, the half jersey, whatever. And he's got ripped abs. And then he talked about like how he eats. He's like, I eat like once a day, uh, two or three bags of candy. Joe the Franco posted about. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't make that challenge. No, we should look at it. No, we should look at it.

But he was talking about how he just like eats candy and like eats once a day and he looks the way it does. Like, yeah, I don't remember his. You're not gonna look like him if you eat like him. I'm just gonna tell you right there. That's the whole other, that's the whole other type of human, you know, and so we can't, oh wait, we can't look at these people at that level

and say that's what I'm gonna do to get fit and healthy. So even if you had their genetics, they're not doing what makes them fit and healthy. They're doing what makes them healthy. I also think the other thing that makes me really passionate about that too is that, you know, I've had the opportunity to be around a lot of professional athletes. And they are not the shining example of health. In fact, I would make the case that a very small percentage of them are really healthy.

They are awesome at their gift and they have incredible habits. Right. But many of them have drug habits abuse other things. They're like, and again, adding to the repetitive thing. So, but, and I think that's where this conversation really came from as a trainer who's been doing this for such a long time. You just have to hear it all the time. Yeah, you see enough people come in, like, and I show you these magazine covers of like the Reggie Bushes or Marchand Lynch's and they all want to look like this.

Here's this routine, can I? Yeah, he eats like this, he trains like this, I want to do this and you're just like, is a trainer like, oh my God, no, no. You don't want to do that. This is an applied to you. And not to mention too, fucking half the time, the shit that's in the magazine isn't really what they're doing.

No. It's just like they're using their likeness and their image to sell you on whatever workout, diet plan that's trying to be promoted. So I think that's where I get so passionate about this conversation and I think sometimes it gets misinterpreted as, you know, I tell anybody who's playing sports, it's bad for you.

It's like, no, no, no, no, no, it's not like that. Sports can be, I love sports. I think sports can be amazing for you. But I think it's a terrible strategy for the average person to pick up a sport with the intent of losing body fat or and or building muscle. If you, what happens a lot? Yes. If you're picking up a sport, your intent should be to get good at that sport.

Yeah. That's the, that's the best way to do it. Enjoy the sport. And it's pure form. Totally. And speaking of workouts, oh my god, dude, I did the perfect formula yesterday for a maximum pump on my workout today. So what did we say before? Right, to get the best pump.

Carbs. Lots of carbs. Lots of sodium. Lots of water. Okay. So here's what happened, right? So yesterday, I had, for all int intents and purposes I was starting my cut. This is my summer cut I'm starting right now. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to eat less calories. This is going to be

great. Unfortunately, we met up with some friends and they the so Jessica's one of her friends from CERC. So when Jessica used to work for CERC just all day, she made some good friends and one of her friends came CERC. So when Jessica used to work for CERC just all day, she made some good friends and one of her friends came to visit and she's like, we have to eat at this restaurant. It's called din tai feng. Have you heard of this before? Doug has of course.

Okay, I know Doug has. So it's a burger's there, or what? I know, yeah. No, it's not burgers in pizza. Oh, man. So now apparently it's a chain. I had no idea. So I've seen this place over at Valley Fair here

in the Bay Area and I've walked by and it's always got this long ass no idea. So I've seen this place over at Valley Fair here in the Bay Area, and I've walked by, and it's always got this long ass line. And I'm always like, what? And you can't really, it's like a small entrance or whatever, and I'm like, what is in there? That is such a long line. Like this is so crazy. It never went in though.

Anyway, we go there and we put our name down, three hour wait, three hour wait. So I'm like, this place better be amazing. Anyway, apparently it's a chain. She's eating it, she's the first time that they had it. It's a chain and it has that many people waiting. I think it's a chain. So she had it in Taipei the first time.

And Jessica's had it too with her friend in some of these countries that they traveled to. And it's apparently it's amazing, whatever. So I'm like, all right, whatever. We'll wait till, we'll wait for three hours. So we did, we walked around, hung out, whatever, ate some snacks. Then we go in and what it is, it's like,

it's like dumplings and pork buns and that kind of food, right? Which I'm not super familiar with. It was amazing. However, it's like, carb heaven. It's like, like, doughy dough. Yeah, there's like big things of dough. Yeah, how did you do that? Is it like gluten?

Yeah, well, so I'll tell you in a second. So my gut has been amazing. And we'll talk about that in a second. But it just, it was so much carbs. It was like fried rice, you know, shrimp dumplings, pork dumplings, chicken dumplings. And, you know, then there were like pork buns and just like so many carbs.

Then I was so thirsty. I probably drank about two gallons of water from doing this like sodium, tons of carbs, tons of water worked out today this morning. I was five pounds heavier, by the way, gained five pounds of water. The most intense pump ever, I was just saying credible, this crazy pump.

But good food, by the way, good food. You've been there, right, Doug? Yeah, a couple of times. I'm amazing. What do you think, Doug? I mean, I like it. It's dim sum. It's basically Chinese like dumplings and things.

Oh, okay. Yeah, this chain was actually started in Taiwan. Taiwan, yes. Yeah, that's where they first had it. But anyway, you asked about my gut because gluten bothers me a lot. Yeah, I figured that place would be full of gluten. Okay, dude, first off, my gut got, you know, I've done,

I've did a few things a while ago, my gut got a lot better. And then we started working with seed again. So I've been taking seed regularly. I have, my gut has never been this great, this consistent for this long. But it had, normally, if I eat a big ass meal of just a bunch of gluten like that,

especially the kind of gluten that that was like, not even cooked, it's like doughy stuff. I'd be, oh, destroy me, dude. I'd be ruined. Fine, totally fine. Totally fine, no problems whatsoever. So we, speaking of seed, we actually just yesterday ordered a max

of probiotic through them. They have them for kids now. Yeah, they have a kid's one. So how do they do it for kids? It's not in the capsule. Is it a powder? I don't know, yeah, I just ordered it. So Katrina ordered it. So I don't have

it in scene. Yeah, I'll get it probably probably tomorrow. I would assume I would have it. So I'll report back. But Max has been like sick, like crazy. And the doctor Yeah, dude, I we so we still have yet to string 14 days in a row since October of last year. So we were out of town last week. We got back in, right? We worked Friday. We did the interview with Cameron Haynes, and then we took off early after that. So I got home earlier than the normal, and I got home in time to go with Katrina to actually

pick Max up from school. She's like, oh, you should come with me. He'll be so excited because you're not here to pick him up. So She's like, oh, you should come with me. He'll be so excited that you're never, because you're not here to pick him up. So I'm like, okay, cool, I'll come. So, and we're all excited because this is like the first week in that her and I have had in a long time where we didn't have other engagements going on

or we didn't have companies. So we're like, oh, yeah, we had Saturday, Jerry was gonna come over. Yeah, Jerry's gonna come over and watch Max so we could do like a day at the beach and maybe do dinner and stuff like that. So we're all excited about this kind of chill weekend we have coming.

So we're at the school, right? And he sees me and he's like waving to me and you see the teacher bringing him through, you know, the check him out and stuff like that. And as he's coming over, he stops right by the door, drops his head, and just throws up. And I'm like, no, no, dude, please tell me he ate something weird right now,

and he's just feeling this way, but he threw up in the car on the way home. So fully sick. Oh yeah, fever, so we hit 104 temperature. Oh, boy, and what about, oh, come on. But anyways, the doctor actually recommended a probiotic for him, so, cause. We've had a Relius on a probiotic for him. We've had a Relius on a probiotic since he was real young

and I can tell the difference when he goes off of it. Yeah, I can, cause he'll get a little bit of a skin reaction depending on what he eats. And when he's on the probiotic regularly, that tends to get a little better. His digestion gets better too. So I think it's valuable.

But I didn't know seed had one for kids. I didn't either. Katrina sent me a message saying, hey, the doctor sent me over this probiotic formula, but I was actually looking at seed. Obviously Katrina helps oversee and manage the partner. So she's aware of all part. She was, and they have a kid's one,

which one do you want me to get? I'm like, oh my God, seed for sure. So I've tried probably 30 different types of probiotics. And I'll get some- They're the best. I'll get some value from each one of them. Sometimes I get zero value, but usually I'll get a little value.

I sort of, I sort of God, dude. I take seed and it's like, it's like I'm invincible. And I hate saying that because I don't want people to get the wrong idea. But for me, you guys know, I mean, we went out, we were trying, I was eating whatever. And normally you guys know, I have to be very careful

otherwise it's actually more consistent. You know, like that, that's my biggest thing. I'll go on a string and I feel great. Like my gut's all nice and everything. And then it's just, I don't know. Like I just gotta keep taking it. And so take it right before you get one of these, dude. Yeah. There you go. I feel like such take it right before you get one of these dude. Yeah

You I feel like such an old man having to buy one of these I never you gotta just concede and be like look I do have like daily things I need to take on not like this guy He's like he's all he's been in He's a person around yeah, I remember what to take when I just don't I have I've never been good I mean maybe creatine I've been the most consistent with and that's because I'm good about you. I actually keep so here we have obviously multiple jars of creatine that's out in the workout floor and then I have

one literally in my garage in my gym. So that's the only reason why I'm consistent with that because I'll take it like midway or towards the end of my workout. So I don't forget. Dude, if I want you guys to take something, what do I always do? I have to give it to you guys regularly. Yeah, I'm a person. I'm a person. You know why that would never work for me that case?

Why? It doesn't fit all the supplements out there. Yeah, no, I know. I wouldn't fit all the ones you get. I think Doug's the same way. Like, we can't, Doug takes probably almost as much as I do. I don't like this. Are you consistent with your pills?

Yeah, I am. What I do is I buy these little baggies on Amazon. And I have. I feel their baggies. Yeah, I have these I do is I buy these little baggies on Amazon and I have I have these little cups I line up you know for every day of the week and then I just Take my bottle drop in there and dump them in the bag. Yeah, I bought four of these and like Em dumped dumped all the pills that I need to take like the whole layout for like how it's color coded to free Yeah, it's got then it actually night and day on it and it's got it. That's why I picked it. It's color coded too free. Yeah, it's got the, it actually night and day on it. And it's got it. That's why I picked it. It's got it.

Yeah, it's very organized. No, so seed, take it, you know what you do at Justin because it's better to take it on an empty stomach. Put it next to your bed. No, no, no, no, put it next to your bed. So right when you go to bed, take two. Oh, it's go to bed. So I, I, I, I do it.

I'm worried. Being completely transparent when it comes to any probiotics. Like I've never, like you like talk about. I couldn't help but feel it. You guys crazy to, like you make a big deal about all time. The biggest, it does do it like that. You feel like that? It's just like, is he not, he's been too days, you guys.

Did he not come in and talk about seeds just like that? Oh my God, can you guys feel it? I can feel it, right? He's just feeling it. Yeah. So, okay, where, where the biggest thing that I've been able to connect it to is, you know, we, one of Katrina's favorite foods is either hamburgers or pizza, both of them destroy me, at least

now, like they used to not when I was a kid, but they definitely destroy me now. If I proactively have the probiotic before, it totally mitigates how I feel afterwards. Like it doesn't make me feel great or amazing, but it will... It was a difference. Oh yeah, I know it's a big difference, where if I don't take it, it's guaranteed, I'm in the bathroom 10 minutes later,

and I'm just like, I feel lethargic and below to the next day, those symptoms don't seem to be there when I take them. Well, I'm excited to try the one for the baby. I had no idea. Yeah, no. I'll let you guys know, it'll be here in a day or two. I don't know if it's pill or liquid or what it is.

It must be liquid or powder, because you can't want to give a capsule to your son. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It can't be that. It's a good point. Hey, so are you guys ready for spider season? Isn't this spider season just a do? No, October'm tober.

Because so we had some of the windows open and what, dude, it was blazing hot over the weekend. So I'm saying, I think they're coming inside. Yeah, they have been, I actually last night, I saw a big one, like, as I was letting the dogs out, like crawling its way towards the stairs and had to like smash it. They're everywhere right now.

They're stringing from the trees. Like, yeah, so we have that, we have gophers and we have like paper wasps. So those are my new enemies. What's the paper wasps? Paper wasps, they just make little nests like in the roof, like in the gutters and whatnot. And, do they sting still? Yeah, yeah, they're shitty wasps.

I hate those best. What about the gophers? How you getting rid of the gophers? The gophers, okay. I've been wanting to talk about this because this has been like literally catty shack. Okay. You remember like Bill Murray and like he's trying to throw all this like explosives and holes and you know smoke him out like like rush him out with water like I literally did

like all these things because I had no idea how destructive these little fuckers are. Yeah. They're really destructive like and Courtney, poor Courtney has been like, really trying to overcome her brown thumb, so to speak, in terms of killing plants, and she's trying to create this whole garden. And so we have a bunch of vegetables and different fruit and herbs and things she's been growing.

And so she's like really taking pride in this thing, right? And then these little bastards are getting up there and eating all the roots. And then you see him just slowly dying. And so she's trying to get me involved. And I've been taking my baby gun out there. And when they put their little head up and eat, I actually took one out once and I was really happy about that.

So this was actually one of my favorite parts of being on a ranch when we were kids because we had a so that we they would do they burrow and make all these holes and we had horses and horses would roll their ankle. Oh, and then that's it. Yeah, and that like really could fuck a horse up. So yeah, you had to kill them like so what do you do? And they out there with you, it sucks,, you know? Cause like, one of them got caught in like one of the snares and it was like, you know, you had to put out of its misery

and Courtney couldn't do it. She went off crying and like, like, can you handle this? And I'm just like, oh, this little guy's just like, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh was awful, dude. No. I'm calling for Peter to come. Oh, man, I've been dude. Hey, but we ate themito. Yeah, we ate it. It was delicious.

I mean, we were smoking these things out. We took, like, literally you take flares and you put them down the hole and you cover it and it supposedly, like, smokes them out. And so I was like, wait and see where they popped their little head out and smokes them out. And so I was like waiting to see where they popped a little head out and take them out. Wow. Without we're we're gonna want to do the water. And then can you put like a fence or something in the ground

around your like what do you do? So I guess well, if you have a vegetable garden, they have like this like little cage you can put underneath the roots of it. So that way they can't get to it, but yeah, they've already been in there before we got those. So now it's just a matter of like trying to catch them. My, my aunt, my grandfather, so old school of tie-ins, they're backyard, even if they have like a five by five back yard,

it's like, it's always gonna be a long guard. Max Max out. Right. So my dad's yards like this, my grandfather's yards like this, my grandfather, my dad, my uncles, it is a constant war against the squirrels. And you hear them talk about these squirrels and they get together and talk about the squirrels. And you think you're taught, you're hearing like a couple veterans talk about stories. Yeah, like Nazis or something like that. I get it. Oh, dude.

I had a scroll infestation. Oh, my dad has done everything. He's put like, like shiny smooth like things around the trees so they can't climb up. But then they figure out how to jump from another tree to another. Then he puts something over it. Then he stays out in the backyard to try and catch up. My grandfather uses cages and he tries to drown them. And my cousins are a crying.

One time my grandfather, one time my grandfather caught a squirrel he tries to drown them. And my cousins are a crying, one time my grandfather, one time my grandfather caught a squirrel, because they grow fruit trees. And they'll eat all your fruit, right? So my grandfather had a bunch of persimmons, which we all know this in the family. Don't mess with my grandfather's persimmons, because he'll kill you.

Whether you're a kid or a squirrel, doesn't matter, don't mess with his persimmons. Well anyway, there's squirrels in persimmons. So my cousin was over there. And my cousin at this time was like 20. So he's like an adult, right? My grandfather catches the squirrel. Now my cousin, he's a bit of an animal lover.

So my cousin sees the squirrel in the cage. And if you ever catch a squirrely scream. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,. My grandfather's like, no, and he grabs a squirrel, and he goes, you're, I'm gonna show you, you're gonna be a man today. These squirrels try to eat our fruit, you're gonna, I'm gonna make him a, and he tried to drown it in front of my cousin to kill it. And my cousin kicked him,

because it was a bucket full, I kicked it open, and then he let the squirrel out, and there was this huge, like my cousin, my grandfather's huge fight, all this whole thing. And my cousin's like, I'm never gonna come over here and kill squirrels. And my grandfather's like, what's up, I'm like, and she's got the baby. And I hear her go, Sal, get out of the shower right now. So I'm like, what the hell's going on?

Like, first I'm like, did I get in trouble? What do I do? I'm thinking like, she's like, come in here right now. I have the baby. I'm not trying to freak out. So I'm like, oh, must be a spider.

Now Jessica's, she's got a raconophobia for sure. So I'm like, it's probably like a little tiny spider. Not a big deal. Bro, this big. This big dude. A redwood spider is a big deal. In the closet, massive spider, like this. I'm like, and the only reason why she didn't scream

or freak out is because she has the baby and she's trying to not freak him out. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, let me get my shoes. She's like, no, if you miss it, I swore to God, we'll move out of this house. Why swear will they? She's like, I have to watch it and I have to watch you kill it.

Otherwise, I'm never coming back in. I'm like, oh my God, dude. So she's like, go get the can of raid. I'm like, raiding and shit. Get a shit. Tell her big. So the strategy was, I sprayed it with the raid, which made it run off, but slowed it down.

Slowed it down. so it's like running but you can tell the chemicals are like hitting it. Just getting high. Yeah it's like more. And then I smashed it saved the day or whatever. But I'm like damn dude. Man these lucky. Yeah. These are burning. I think Katrina was telling me she just called Courtney the other day and she's like oh she's like yeah Courtney put him out of hold she was like killing gophers. Yeah. She's obsessed dude. I'll say the last month she's like, oh, she's like, you know, Courtney put him out of hold. She was like killing gophers. Yeah. She's obsessed, dude. I'll say the last month, she's just like, oh, like she's dreaming about it.

Like she keeps talking, like every conversation on my way home is like, you know, how many she's gotten the traps, like, she's like obsessed with it. Isn't that funny? How like some, just depends on what animals do for you. If they steal your food, kill them, if they're ugly, kill them, if they're cute, and they're friendly, love them, or whatever. We had a wild bunny in the backyard and I'm

just like so excited. Like, let's, uh, that's our pet. Let's, let's put some food out there, whatever, you know, they'll cut you up real quick. I've turned on her. Wild bunny? Hell yeah. Really? Hell yeah. Really? I really corner her rabbit. Look at all crazy. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. You should do it. Try and catch it. You know what? We can all fight you at all. My dad caught her rabbit, look at all crazy. Really? Yeah, man. You should do it, try and catch it. See how much hell it would be? Let me get a light eat all. My dad caught a rabbit. Doesn't have rabies.

My dad caught a rabbit one. I'm gonna tell you what he did. You know that, you know that, you know that, it'll eat a cook rabbits. Yeah. And they eat them. Yeah, well that's yeah. Yeah, we had a rabbit in the backyard once when I was a kid.

And my sister was like, it's my pet. And then we ate it. And then oh wow. And then with the pet sister, we're sure getting shut down by a peed of the day. My sister didn't know. She't know and I told her my dad You know I was a older brother. I'm like a husband be great. I'm gonna tell my sister. She cried Dude, please tell me you guys watch did you guys watch the our father the sperm doctor one?

Yes, dude. Let's talk. So I watched half of it. I watched half of it And I got up to the point where it was like Did the sibling count kept going up? Oh my god, bro. It's still going. It's still going It's still going there like at 90 something right now. This guy was just so yeah So the cruege is going back and bust the load and then they must not have accounted for the fact that like 23 and me like type technology was gonna come out No, because when he first did it, it wasn't out. No. Yeah. And so this, this was like a whole new thing.

And there's no legislation either, which is the craziest part to prevent a doctor. What do you call that kind of doctor? For totally doctor. For totally doctor to, to do this kind of thing. So basically, well, to, to kind of sum it up, I mean, he was basically going off, jacking off, taking his own sample and inseminating women with his own... The worst part. So there were the women who were thought they were getting a donor sperm and the idea was, we'll find a donor that matches you and your husband because your husband's

infertile and what he would do is he would go in the back, use his own sample and pregnant with the women. That sucks because that's a bad tool. The worst was when the husbands needed fertility treatment and they would do insemination from the husband and he would switch out the husbands with his kids. They brought their own sample and he would switch it out for the doctors. Oh, like can you imagine?

With a piece of, I was telling Justin in the show, they only really interview the kids. All the kids, and the kids are talking about how devastating they are because they thought this was their parent, their entire life, but imagine being a dad. Yeah. I mean, I can think, I'm watching it and matching it. You're torn because you've brought this kid up,

not like you love him any less. Right, you thought is now different. Yeah, and I don't know about you guys, but I don't know, there's a thing, part of the excitement or what I was about having in my son and why I wanted a boy first was knowing that I'm passing my bloodline down, right?

Sure. That's like literally what I'm thinking when I think about having in my son. And so imagine I go 30 years from now and he takes a 23 meter that I find out it was some other somebody else that's not even yours. Well, genetically you can like see some of your traits. Yeah.

And you know, to remove that from these parents is criminal. I would be torn because, I torn up because you raise a kid and you find out it's not yours genetically, you love them. You still love them the same. You raise them. Yeah, of course. But now you feel terrible because now they're gonna know, you're gonna know, what does this mean?

Does this change anything? And it's just what you thought was something was something else? I mean, does it change, like I would love my kids, if I found out one of my kids wasn't mine, it wouldn't change how much I love them at all. But boy, would still be devastating. Did you talk to her?

Is gotta be the clearest example of the most like the ultimate narcissist psychopath. Well, the part that was created, one lady said she goes, cause he would do that. He would, he'd leave. And what they would do is they were supposed to go to the hospital across the street, get a fresh sample, bring it back and then inseminate

because back then the technology wasn't as good with keeping sperm alive or whatever. So they were literally, the donors would be, you know, creating the sample in almost real time. This woman went through 15 procedures with her till she got pregnant. She goes, I got raped 15 times and I didn't even know it.

And I'm like, yeah, that's kind of what happened. Well, the crazy part is that like Justin said, there's no loss against it. So he got nothing. $500 fine. Yeah, $500 fine. What? Yeah, he got slapped on the wrist. Yeah. $500 fine. What? Yeah. He got slapped on the wrist.

Yeah. They didn't even factor that in. Nothing until legislates. And there's still isn't. There's still isn't any laws that really stop. And he's not the only doctor has done this. Yeah.

They found a sense then over 40 other doctors. Oh, what? Yeah. I did not know. Some people like are like I think there's one group that's up to like a 100 something of siblings that they've identified so far through like one of these 23 me.

It's like, and the thing is they're watching it every day to basically see, because like, how crazy is that? You go to see like, who you're related to, you do this test and all of a sudden, like you're only supposed to get a few results, right? And you treat all of a sudden it's like they really, I never felt like I really understood while he was doing it. Like you have moments where you're like,

is he getting off on this? Is this something that he's getting off on because he's going and he's jerking off and he's going over and then he's in some of these. Well, that's the part, because he had to get, he had to get aroused and ejaculate all within a very short period of time.

Enough time that they would calculate he's going across the street to get the sample to bring it back. Right. So is it that or is it that he's such a narcissist that he wants to see his his genes. There's got to be part of that because he actually did visit a lot of the families initially after the birth, right? To, to, to, you know, with his wife, they would go visit some, like some of these parents that he needed a birth and would be like, you know, want to connect with them. He will he ended up being the gynecologist for one of his daughters.

Oh, what the fuck? Yeah. That was a little plot twist. Wow. You know, by the way, there's rules. The reason why they have rules where they don't, they don't allow one donor to donate more than a so many samples. Yeah, it's only supposed to be three and it's so you don't end up marrying your brother or sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah, imagine. Well, yeah, you do that enough. If you have a guy in, and you want town, and he, yeah, you have a guy in one, one town and he's insininated, you know, 90, 90. Oh, yeah. There's a very good chance that that they should this like five mile proximity and like all of these people that related to each other.

That's from him. That's so gross. But I don't think you actually they had anybody that ended up marrying or anything like that. So I think they lucked out on that part. I did see a story about like this. And I think this was on like one of those other podcasts like Barstool or something. But there was like a so this kid basically was reconnecting to find his mom

who had sent him off for adoption and over the years had been trying to trace her. So anyway, they finally connect over the pandemic or whatever and they like fell in love with each other. What? And started like, you know, doing it. What the fuck? With each other. And like, she's professing like,

she wants to have his baby and everything. Everybody's just like, no! Where was this? Oh, there's on a podcast? Yeah, this is real news though. It's not like made up. It's not like a national choir or anything. It's like real life we're living in right now.

That's against every law of nature. You know that there's literal genetic stops that'll prevent you from being attractive to siblings and relatives. Like there's actual, they've identified this because obviously you know that. You need, it doesn't work. Well, is there, is there,

there's genes you're passing on? Isn't there a theory around kissing and the exchanging of our bacteria with someone is saliva and stuff you pick up? Yes. Well, yeah, there's so so and I don't know how much truth there is to this. I can't remember where I first saw this, but they they I've heard where you know, people talk about like that chemistry of the first kiss of like, Oh, I just knew from the first kiss or what that, that they're, it's the exchanging of bacteria that we, we are natural and do and the compatibility of it is what makes us. I read that. Yeah, is it, I think there's some truth to that. Yeah, I read there's some studies that theorized that and there's some decent, there's some, you know, evidence to suggest that that F3 dog or what? That might be the best. It was on drinking bros, the podcast. Yeah. Well, you know, in ancient times, royal families

in order to keep the bloodline pure, would often have first cousins and even siblings would marry and produce offspring. And you'd get these genetic deformalities and issues that would, you know, like- I'd probably like Prince Harry. There's an F-2. No, there's like some, like, some, like, uh, royal families of the past that would have,

like, a specific, like, under bite or, oh, yeah, and they would, they would name it after the family because it would get passed on and obviously amplified because of this. And then you get mad, you know, what they call mad Kings and Queens. Well, I wonder why they're crazy. It's because their parents were, we're not supposed to do that. No, that's just, yeah, it's genetic. You're just messing with nature.

Oh, that's gross. Anyway, okay, so my brother sold me on, I'm not a big like bi-expensive tech guy. You guys know this, I can be funny about that. Not a big bi-anything expensive guy. Yeah, well, the parents, I'll spend money on vacations, dinner, stuff like that. But you're right, I'm not.

But my brother is like, dude, you gotta try the AirPod Max. Oh, did you get him? I'm on phones. Bro, they're on my list. They're so great. So great. So, yeah, so the material that they put in the headphone definitely reduces the sweat and stuff that gets

produced in your ear. The most comfortable headphones I've ever worn. The sound is incredible. So this is for working out, primarily? Yeah, we're in for working out. They're the best headphones I've ever owned. They've knocked it out of the park, Apple does it. And then the feel of them, you know what Apple does really well?

Is like the feel of their products. Like the way that the metal or the plastic feels or how it feels in your head or whatever, they crushed it, dude. You're gonna get some, right? Of course, I will now, for sure. I've been wanting a new pair of headphones anyways, and I was waiting for them to come out with a product. They're so great.

I mean, and they crushed it. Did we bring up, we did bring up the AirPods thing, right? I thought that was fun. Oh yeah, they sold, there's like one of the highest tech selling devices, period, and device stuff. Oh yeah, it's crazy. It's insane. Anyway, speaking of cool stuff, Justin, you were talking about how, yeah. It's crazy. It's insane.

Anyway, speaking of cool stuff, Justin, you were talking about how PRX has a dumbbell rack on the wall? Yeah, because I've been. I'm always paying attention. Well, I'm always paying attention to new accessories and things, especially when you can have wall mounted options, because we have right now just our dumbbells on the floor. And it's like, I much prefer to have them like on a rack. I was thinking about getting a rack, but then again,

it's now, you know, taking up space. And so they have, they have it's kind of slanted, almost like a shelf on the wall that you can mount. And it will carry up to like three sets of dumbbells. So, you know, just for like your quick handy, and I'm sure you could buy a couple of them to then wall mount so it doesn't take up so much space.

Yeah, they knocked it out of the park with their, I mean, they're just their rack, right, their signature fold out rack is more, this is true. It's more stable than your power racks at the gym. It's extremely stable because that was always my worry. I'm going to fold out against the wall as it can be stable. Yeah, well, most of force is downward. So it's less of pulling back. Yeah.

So yeah, you know. Oh, wow. So there's, they have a kettlebell right there. Yeah, I see a kettlebell. Yeah, that's a kettlebell. That's okay, so the dumbbells are like up. Yeah, so it's up and kind of slanted it. Oh, trust me.

Oh, that's easy to grab too. Exactly. Yeah, look at that setup. Oh, they're doing a great job. I'm gonna get a mirror and then put those. You know that, there's a still at 19%, 19% less people, or should I say, pre-pandemic level numbers of people going to the gyms,

it's still lower than it was pre-pandemic right now. 19% of people who used to go to gyms now are working at home permanently. Oh, speaking of that, I just saw a thing on, you know, the other day we're talking about just the stocks just taking a dive. Every day. And we talked to specifically about some of the,

what they call the COVID stocks, like your Netflix, your palatine, your zooms, everything like that. Everybody crushed your... Did you know that if you were an early investor in like late stage early investor of like before they went public for Peloton, it is now valued lower than what it was.

Pre public. Lower? Yeah. So imagine, okay, just imagine, because there's obviously people that did this, right? There's people that were angel investors or VCs that put money into Peloton pre going public, they go public, they make a run all the way to 170.

Imagine how many X their money was at that point and then for it to come all the way back down to the valuation that you potentially bought in or lower. Wow. Yeah, that's, that's things. Yeah, yeah. I get all, you know, but heard about my portfolio being cut in half right now, but that would be way worse. Yeah, those pandemic stocks took a cry my own, some of them.

So I'm a buying hold guy, which didn't work really well for me this time around. They're saying still we still haven't seen the floor yet, right? They're saying that we're gonna still see another dip over the next couple of months in the stock market and then eventually start to bleed over into real estate, which we haven't really seen. No, I think real estate inventory is going up right now

with real estate, but that's what's gonna cause it. Yeah, and what I was reading was that real estate sometimes lags, because there's people sellers who are just stubborn, like, no, I'm not lowering the price. I'm keeping it this, and then eventually it's like, oh crap, we got a lower the price. So let's see what happens. I'll welcome that because that is a buying opportunity for me. Potentially. I mean, depending on how much it goes, right? So I don't know

what. I mean, I've heard between 10 and 30% is what we're going to potentially see from it. I do think it's this is going to be a kind of a long drawn out one. Like I don't think this is going to be an overnight, like all of a sudden drop. I think the is gonna be a kind of a long drawn out one. I don't think this is gonna be an overnight, like all of a sudden drop. I think the stocks are the first that we see, because that's more speculative. I mean, we're at prime by time right now in the year for housing anyways. So the fact that it's even slowing up right now

is a little scary. It's not supposed to be till October, will you start to see people already? So that I anticipate then, October is when we're gonna see the real damage. I again predicted Idaho is the area to watch because their inventory was the highest, the earliest, so I think they'll be a good indicator

on like what you'll see. And when I go on Zillow and I look, because I look at properties all the time, right? So when I go on Zillow and I look over, there's price drops, yeah. There's price drops already starting to happen. So yeah, I think it's happened. I mean, and the interest rates are,

or I mean, they're at like for a 30 year triple A credit, 20, 25% down, five points, something. Most people are getting like six and above now. So that's moving up really fast. Wow. All right, well speaking of more crazy stuff, I just read some interesting information. There's some studies on NSAIDs, right?

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen, for example, or naproxen, which is, you know, brand name a leave, showing that they may actually increase chronic pain over time. So using them regularly, which often it's recommended, oh, you got back pain, take two of these every day, yeah, forever, whatever. They're starting to find that over time may actually make chronic pain worse. Now, I have a couple theories on this. I hate. Theory one would be the body adapting

to the inside. That's one thing that I would think, right? Your body starts to produce more in response, more inflammatory markers. I know people who use NSAIDs all the time and I do know that over time that take more and more to elicit the same effect. The second theory I have is that whatever movement pattern or issue that you have that's causing or contributing to the chronic pain, because it's masked, you continue to move in a way that's a good thing. Make things worse. And then because you have a lower or blunted

inflammatory response, you don't heal like you did before, which is why we have past studies showing that, athletes that chronically use, like I'd be pro from, for example, are more likely to have like a tendon rupture or tear or joint degeneration. Why have always been worried about that just because of like liver and kidneys and whatnot. Yeah. Yeah, just like chronic use of those because it's not good over time.

But yeah, that's interesting that because I have seen that too, you had to increase the dose. And then you increase the dose, you put more stress on, you know, you're living kidneys. So it's like this vicious cycle. Yeah, I can't think of another thing that I would add to that. I think that's a pretty good guess right there on both those. Yeah. Are you getting adapted to it and then to masking the real real cause? Yeah, that makes sense.

Normally, that's probably one of the most common things that you see with anybody taking any sort of pain medication is, you know, addressing it through taking a pill versus trying to get to the bottom of why am I in this chronic pain and then putting the work in because the work. How often do you guys take NSAIDs? I used to take them a lot when I had high blood pressure and I was having headaches all the time and like it really was not a good place for me. Like I felt it was just one of those things. You don't feel good with your body.

Like you know something is off. And so I've really tried not to take it as much as possible like going for it. But occasionally, I'll have some information or a headache or something, I'll take it. But usually no more unlike, you know, a small dose. Yeah.

I'm probably like, once a month, I'll take ibuprofen, maybe once a month and it's, it's if I have like a late night and maybe alcohol is involved or something like that, just kind of the way to prevent, you know, shitty sleep or whatever, but that's about it. But I know people take them several times a day. We rarely ever take them. This last year since COVID, I've taken more Advil than I've probably taken my entire life.

I would say a bottle of Advil would last my house over a year. So we don't, and that's me sharing it with Katrina or anybody over that says, hey, do you have any Advil? So we don't really use it that much, but I have used it. I mean, I had so many headaches this last. The worst part of COVID for me was the headaches.

This recent flu that I just had was the headaches and the coming off the caffeine was the headaches. And so I use more ad-build and I think I had used probably in the previous five years also blinds. Just gonna get some migraines that are just brutal. And so then she'll use, and not now because she's pregnant, but we need intervention, those are. Hey, they're valuable.

I think it becomes a problem, though. When they, like I said, I know a lot of people like this that their doctor just said, oh, just take, you know, four of these every day forever, like for the rest of your life. Like that can't be even just the process by which they work. You're blocking a very important signaling system. So there's going to be downstream effects

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mindpump10 for 10% off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first question is from Josh Jackson. When training isometric, should you do them from the stretched position where you're weaker or mid position where you are stronger? Yes. In other words, Yes. Do them all isometrics do them in all positions. So you could do an isometric in a stretch. So if I'm doing a fly, right,

I'd be holding a weight in this position here as an isometric or I could push on an immovable object in this position. I could also do it mid-range, I could also do it. Peak contraction. That being said though, wouldn't you guys all agree that the biggest bang for your buck, if you had to choose one of those, it's gonna be in the weaker position. Yeah, nice symmetrical tracks.

Well yeah, if you want that straight-range position, yeah, just because you don't typically try to generate force in some of those angles, and I think that there's massive benefits that carrying into conventional lists. Yeah, I'll say this for lagging body parts, usually typically a lagging body part is a body part that you just don't connect to as well as other body parts.

Hard to free to feel a lagging body part when you're doing a compound lift, for example. In that case, I like isometrics in the shortened position. Like if I have a tough time activating my glutes, doing a shortened position, like a hip thrust but at the top and squeeze the glutes will help me connect more to my glutes. And I find that to be true for any muscle group

where I have a kind of a, it's a lagging body part or poor connection. But nonetheless, Well, wouldn't you agree that that's for hip bar, I mean, for your hips, like that would or your glutes, that would be where a lot of people are weak. Yeah, I mean, if you have a, if you have a lot of people, aren't normally weak in the extension right on that, right?

It's just, it's harder to connect to a muscle in a stretch position. It's like, you already have a tough time connecting. It's kind of like calves. I felt calves in the same way too. Caves less in the stretch position, calves in the flux position, there's not really a really good consistency. Yeah, like imagine if you had a tough connection to your pecs, it'd be harder to connect them in isometric and stretch than the peak contraction,

the squeeze, so that's why I would say start there. But really, when you do an isometric, you're getting, most of the strength that you get in isometric is in that position. And then I think it's 20 degrees. Yeah, it's like 15 degrees. Is it 15? 15 degrees up and down.

So that's where the carryover is. So really, if you want full range of motion strength from isometrics, you do isometrics in different positions. And that's where you're going to get the best results. But the other way to use them is what you guys are kind of talking about where, for example, do a squat. And I find that the bottom position of squat is where I'm weakest, I'll do isometrics in the bottom position and I'll gain strength in that bottom position.

So then when I do my squat, it's no longer as weak as it used to be and have better control, better stability and better power. But that's the beauty of isometrics is that you can literally train strength in whatever range of motion or position you want. And so what you should do is go through your body and identify where you need the most help and then attack that angle. And the carryover is just tremendously good. Where is there a leak of force?

Like where is there a leak of performance in your left? Like that's where I would hone in on and really use this technique because it's very valuable. Yeah, where do you guys prefer to do isometrics? And it just depends, depends on where you're... Yeah, it depends, like you said, in range. Like for a squat, for me, it's generating force at the very bottom

and really focusing in on that is where I need it the most. I did this morning. I did isometrics this morning, and I actually did it at both ends. And ironically, what triggered me to do it was I was on our buddy Eugene Tows' feed, which I know we've beaten up recently. And he actually had a really good post for calves.

And he did an isometric hold in the stretch position and an isometric hold at the top. And 10 reps. So 10 reps with the and an isometric hold at the top. And 10 reps, so 10 reps with the isometric three second hold at the top and then 10 reps with the isometric hold at the bottom and then 10 full reps, massive pump and full. Oh, amazing, oh my gosh, this morning.

So, and I actually have not ever done that exact protocol and of course I understand the purpose behind it and so I thought, you know what, like that's a, now I do isometric holds on my calves. A lot, in fact, I'll even do stuff like this because that's obviously a lagging body part for me. I'll even do them like in the shower.

So I'll in the shower and I'll stand up on my tibito's and just contract and hold for 10, 15 seconds then come down contract. Just picture your nose in the shower and just, you do picture me in the shower all the time. I'm gonna see, I'm gonna go ahead and knock shower all the time. I'm in a good. Not. Yeah. Hold on.

You know, you know, this is get all I say. I picture you in the shower. Adam, hold on. You know for a fact, I guarantee you you have two or three fluffy lufa things that you. I'm not a lufa guy. You don't got a piece of my wife is my wife has a lufa. Oh, that's what those are. Yeah, I'm not a lufa guy. I'm't got a peep on you. My wife is, my wife has a lufa. Oh, that's what those are. Yeah, I'm not a lufa guy, dude.

I'm a bar soap. Yeah, I'm a bar soap and I use our partners. So yeah, public goods. Shout out to public goods. This name is commercial. There you go. Next question is from Iron Crypt Customs Steve. What are the best rear del workouts?

I've always had legging rear delts and I really want a full looking shoulder. This must be a new person of the podcast. Yeah, you know, I've done had legging rear delts and I really want a full looking shoulder. It's must be a new person in the podcast. Yeah, you know, I've done a lot of stuff on that. You have passionate about this. You know, the biggest challenge with using the training the rear delts is that it's really hard to not totally incorporate the muscles of the back. Like the staple exercise is a very small range of motion. Is a rear fly, but very easily do people turn this

into like a modified kind of row. I'm gonna wonder why they don't develop. You know, it's funny that, okay, the question that was right before this, this is great. So one of the single best exercises, I've got a bunch and by the way, if you haven't gone to our Mind Pump TV YouTube

and put Mind Pump TV and rear delts, I think I've personally done at least three videos myself on rear delts and I think you guys have too. So lots of content on there. One of my favorite movements for training my rear delts was actually a bent over rear delt cable fly and I use it with an isometric hold at the end. So I do a really light weight because you're pulling through, right? Yes.

So to your point Because it's such a small muscle and it's on your backside It's really easy for people's back to take over the movement like you're saying So I love to do this bent over fly where I'm I'm pulling through and I'm flying back and out So the cable is yeah, it's like attached to you It's like attached over where you're at and I'm pulling back back and out this way. And I'll do a weight that is really light that I can go really slow and controlled and then I can get an isometric hold the end and flex my rear delts. Yep. So I can really feel it from there and then I resist it on the way back in and then I come back out again. By the way

notice bring your arm up like you finished the wrap. Notice how Adam's elbow is high. That's rear delt. A lot of people will externally rotate and their elbow will be closer to the body. Then you know that they're using a track. And the other cue I like is fly out, not back. Yes. Right. So we have a tendency on rear delt exercises. It just comes up. Guys will do the, you see a lot of wrong boy. You see it all the time and you'll see them doing it. And by the way, this isn't make that movement bad or wrong,

because you're not gonna get a lot of rear delts. You're gonna get more traps, hard to make effectively. Yeah, you're gonna get a lot of your back muscles versus hitting your redelt. And so if you want rear delts, you know, the fly out cue is one of my favorite cues. Use a weight light that you can first learn

to isometrically contract that muscle. Then once you've trained that, then some of my favorite movements were just heavy bent over dumbbell flies, but I couldn't do that really well until I learned, like I can take my arm across my body and I can flex my rear delt in this position. So you have to learn to be able to train that, to be able to contract that small muscle, even in a position like this. Once you learn to learn to be able to train that, to be able to contract that small muscle,

even in a position like this. Once you learn to do that, then taking cables, I mean dumbbells, whatever you want, you can get a great workout. But the mistake that we see people make is they let their back muscles take over the movement. Yeah, another thing I used to do with some clients just to help, because what would happen

is they'd do their rear fly, and their elbows would kind of come in and it would turn into this row, is that would tell them to take their palms and face them back. So they're pushing out with the pinkies. That just encouraged, because the shoulder has nothing to do

with this rotation here, but all it would do is encourage the elbow to stay out and encourage them to go out rather than back. So this is just, that's just one other cue you can use to kind of, but the key is to go light. You go light on this because trust me, it's a small muscle. No, muscle, yeah.

Go light on it and isolate it. If you go heavy, you're going to turn it into a backhand. You can't go ahead, I mean, eventually you can get to a place where you go heavy. Yeah, this guy right here, right? Yeah, no, totally. Like, like, remember, I mean, I did all the, and that's why I think that cable exercise, because we typically tell people, barbell dumbbell exercises are superior when it comes to building muscle, but here's an example of when training the movement and getting the cues down becomes

the biggest, one of the biggest challenges. And when you're doing a freeway exercise, it's really hard to do that. So here's where I love to train somebody on how to fire the rear delt. Then when you get really good on command being able to fire the rear delt, then when you get really good on command being able to fire the redelt, then you can do some really cool exercises with dumbbells and barbells to really get the rear delts going. Next question is from Pete on the gram. You guys talk about gaining strength, the gain muscle, but how do you know if you're too weak in your forties for someone that has never lifted for strength? What should your goal be? Deadlift squat squat, bench press, your weight?

Should you press half your weight? Remember the thing from... That was a chart. Yeah, what's your guys? What's their names? Teenation. Yeah. Teenation has a really cool... Now they're using that chart to compare you to like decently strong people and gyms and stuff like that. This is a tough question to ask because how do you know if you're two weeks? I mean, average is in generalizations. Yeah, it's like, okay, how do you know if you're two week? Well, do you have a poor quality of life? Do you notice lots of pain?

Are you unable to perform activities that you want to perform to enjoy your life? If the answer to that is like, no, I can't do stuff, I can't play with my kids, I can't do certain things, my back hurts my way. And then you're too weak. If you're strong enough to enjoy your life, you have a good quality life, then you're strong enough, and you're totally fine. Now the second part of the question is,

like, what should you be able to lift? I mean, I don't know. When clients would ask me, this was a tough thing to do. Well, you know what you're actually saying, because I was heading in the direction of giving them something more tangent or more specific, right? Like the, the T-Nation chart, but you're right. Like the truth is, why do we do all this shit?

Yeah. I mean, I know some athletes that, I mean, they're not strong in the gym at all, but they can move, they feel good, they feel great in whole life. And like, here's the deal. And then I know people who have a strong, the fact that I can squat 400 pounds on my back

has not transferred over that much into real life. Not 400 pounds. The fact that I can squat over 150 pounds has. There's plenty of times where I'm carrying a kid or I gotta lift something up that weighs 100, 200 pounds. There's not a lot of times. No, there's not a lot of times. There's one time he gave Justin and Doug a piggyback ride.

That's what the real thing is. There's not a lot of times where I need to be able to, you know, deadlift 550 pounds off the floor. Like just, but yeah, okay, that makes the couch really light for me. So you're right. If you can do the things that you like to do in life and it doesn't break you down or you're not sore

or you're not able to do it because you're too weak. Totally. Then you're technically sore or you're not enabled to do it because you're too weak. Totally. Then you're technically strong enough. Totally, 100%. Okay, so here's some gym numbers that, you know, I've communicated to people in the past and it's like, okay, well, you're doing pretty good in gym standard for a man, average guy, if you could at least bench press

your weight, if you could at least squat one and a half times your weight, and if you get at least deadlift twice your weight, you're doing pretty damn well. Most, a lot of people can't do those three things. Now you go beyond that, and now you're starting to get pretty damn strong. If you could bench press one and a half times your weight or two times your weight, you're pretty freaking strong.

You're like in the 5%, right? If you could deadlift three times your weight, you're in the top, you know, few percent, right? Type of deal, but the numbers they gave earlier, those are, I guess, cool numbers to aim for, but don't get hung up. I mean, like I said, there were guys that you used to train with in Jiu Jitsu

that, you know, they'd come to the gym every once in a while and they could, I could outlift them all day long. Well, they could entirely different scale. Yeah, but they were bad asses. That was strong in their sports. Yeah, we hit the mats and I was like, I was in danger, you know, and, you know, they've lived great lives and they were perfectly fun. I've worked blue collar jobs with my dad with guys that I could outlift all day long in the gym,

but they get out work me, you know, all day long. So it's really just about your quality of life. If you're, if you can't, if you don't have a good quality of life and you can't do the things you want because you lack the strength, that's when you know that you're two weeks. Yeah, I actually would prefer more of like just testing your grip strength just because of longevity purposes and also being able to access that kind of forced generation. So because it applies to almost everything but in terms of like very specific compound lifts, like, you know, unless you're working on it in incessently, you know, like that's something I wouldn't really focus too hard on. You know, part of my inability to sit in a deep, asterisk squat or sit down and play with my son

was also weakness in my hips. So you could technically make the case that even though I was deadlifting and squatting four or 500 pounds, I was super weak in my hips. Right. And so mobility became this huge thing for me before Max came was like, I want to be a dad who could sit down and do his puzzle with him

in a seated position, in a squatted position without getting exhausted. And so, you know, I actually had to get weaker in my squat and deadlift and put a lot of energy and effort into my squat and deadlift and put a lot of energy and effort into my mobility and strength in my range of motion in my hips to allow me to do those things. So technically I am a weaker from a standpoint of deadlifting and squatting today, but I have better stable and strong hips right now today than I did five years ago.

So there's there's a lot of different ways that you can look at this. And if you're a 40 year old dad, potentially like we are, to me, that's the shit that really matters is the fact that I can comfortably get down and play with my son. Nobody's asking me, hey Adam, are you still squatting 400 or deadlifts in 500 pounds?

Like no one gives a shit about that. Like the fact that I can get down and do those things, that is what really matters. As long as I'm stronger than my kids, friends, dads. It's just, that's just, if I'm stronger than their dads, I'm good. I'm stronger than my kids. I don't wanna punk them forever.

Next question is from C Smith, 731. What is your opinion on the carnivore diet if someone is doing it for lifestyle purposes and not weight loss? And they already eat low carb due to gut issues. God, the carnivore diet is okay. So I want to be very clear. It is not by any stretch of the imagination and ideal diet for the vast majority of people

on earth. It's just plain and simple. It just does not. That being said, for some people, it is an ideal diet. And here's probably why. It's the ultimate elimination diet for a lot of people. And some people are so, their bodies are so reactive. They have autoimmune issues that are so reactive to foods that cutting out almost everything except for the one food that is one of the most nutrient-dance, complete, and the least likely, in many cases, to cause an

immune reaction. For those people, that's a great option. Michaela Peterson, Jordan Peterson's daughter, was an example of this. She really was one of the first people to come out and talk about how great it was. Her body was so reactive to everything where she would eat things and she would get mental issues and inflammatory issues that she cut everything out but meat. And she had tremendous improvements in her health. I know a couple of people like this where this is the case.

In those cases, carnivore diets great because the alternative is so much worse. But for most people, it's not ideal. It just isn't. Fiber is an important part of our diets. There are other types of nutrients found in other foods that you're not going to necessarily find and meet that probably are beneficial. Plus, your quality of life isn't going to be that great

if all you can eat is one food. To me, that's the real one here, because the question says, you know, for lifestyle purposes, for lifestyle purposes, that's fucking sucks. Yeah. because the question says, you know, for lifestyle purposes, for lifestyle purposes, that's fucking sucks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? To eat just limiting.

Super, pretty limiting. It's as limited as it gets. It's the most limited die-hack. Does it get any more limited than that? That's crazy. That's more limited than the vegans are. It's just not a long-term strategy. Now, to Sal's point, do I think it's a decent strategy

to get to the bottom of your gut issues? Like, yeah, you eliminate down to one food and you're gonna see all those potential things go away. But to me, that would not be the end goal. The end goal would then be, okay, now let's start reintroducing some of these foods that I would like to be able to have for the rest of my life and see how my body responds.

And so to me, it's like, why not have a diet like that? Like, why, why eliminate everything, just down to me, just because, yep, that makes you feel good. Why not find out, you know, just potatoes make you feel that way, just sweet potatoes make you feel that way, does yams make you feel that way, does quinoa make you feel that way, just rice make you feel that way. Like, are there certain vegetables that you can eat that make you feel that way? Just rice make you feel that way? Are there certain vegetables that make you feel that way? And if all those other foods don't disrupt your gut and make you feel, okay, why not have a carnivore-esque type of diet where you eat mostly meat,

but then you introduce some of these other foods that agree with your body and now you have more variety. Like to me, this is why I can't stand. This is more work involved. This is why I can't focus stand diets because it becomes like a religion where it's like all or nothing. It's like it doesn't have to be all or nothing

and it doesn't mean that all of these different diets don't have that. They wouldn't get as popular as they were if they didn't help a ton of people, right? Well, I get it once, it's like you've finally found the thing. Like maybe you have been suffering from all of those autoimmune issues and all this and nothing's worked and now since you've reduced it down to just meat and it's like I can

handle this but then it's just to me it seems like if there's a parallel to this it would be like I can't I can't do squats anymore right I can't do them a doctor it's like it's hard on my knees you on the back this and that's I'm gonna avoid them but I'm gonna do these other I'm gonna do leg anymore, right? I can't do it. I'm a doctor. It's like, it's hard on my knees, you on the back. This and that, I'm gonna avoid them, but I'm gonna do these other, I'm gonna do leg press only. You know, and it's just like, I'm just gonna focus on that because that's the only thing that's gonna benefit for me. Instead of then trying to work my way back, you know, it's gonna figure out why.

Figure out why, figure out the root of it, to start introducing other exercises or similar, and kind of work my way back. But same thing with the food. It's like, I wanna make sure too that now, okay, I can actually heal my guy. I can actually repair things. I can introduce these types of food groups back

in small doses and start training my body to get back to variety. And the truth is, you may never find the root cause. I mean, there's some autoimmune issues caused by food that we still have no clue. We have no idea. And there's some people that do carnivore and they reintroduce anything

and they get a crazy flare up. And they're like, I can't do anything. And I've tested for this and I've tested for that. And I've tested for everything. So then it's a great, yeah, it's a great feeling to stay there. And it's totally fine. And here's the challenge. If you look, if you're somebody who suffered from terrible

autoimmune issues, inflammation, skin issues, depression, or anxiety, like mental health issues, and then you go carnivore and you all of a sudden cured all those things. You know what you're going to become? An evangelist for carnivore diet. You're going to talk about it. And then what you're going to do is you're gonna become an evangelist for corn of or diet. You're gonna talk about it and then what you're gonna do is You're going to find all the reasons why all the other foods are probably not good and you're gonna sell that like

Plants create versus realizing that maybe it was asparagus avocado and cauliflower Which was causing this to you and you had and but you got, including that. Could be, or it could be everything. I know there's some people that's like, no matter what I eat, okay, fine. But in the make the case, they'll say, look, plants have defense mechanisms. Yeah, they do, but that's why we cook them. That's why we process them in particular ways.

That's what humans have been doing that for a long time. What you don't wanna do is ignore thousands of years and millions of people who have eaten certain foods and have thrived. There's cultures that have thrived on eating lots of grains and lots of vegetables. That might not be good for you. There's a huge individual variance. What you don't want to do is become an evangelist where you tell everybody, you learn this as a coach, man.

You learn this hard as a coach. Because when you become a coach or a trainer, when you first become a trainer, you are an idealist. Every trainer, when they first become a trainer. Especially when you see something work, you're just like, oh cool, I'm gonna use the same playbook on this person. Do you guys remember this? You just,

Did you quickly realize that you should never can do the same thing twice? No, no, you're an idealist. Like, no, everybody has to do this. And everybody's not gonna do well with this and gluten affects everybody poorly. And this is great for everyone. And here's the best.

And then you train a whole bunch of people. And if you really care about them, you start going, oh well, yeah, there's a couple of people or that was always an exception. There's no work. And that person over there, like, you know, we did an interview recently with NutriSense, where we had one of their dieticians come on

and talk about their continued glucose monitor. And she was talking about how, like, for her, for example, a sweet potato, which on the glycemic index, the glycemic index of a sweet potato is lower than a white potato. White potato affects her insulin way better than sweet potato. Sweet potato causes a spike. There's some people that are like that with like an avocado

It's all fat and then you see this crazy spikes or whatever. There's a huge individual variant. So There's general rules, but these specifics just they don't and carnivores just it's it does not it is not an ideal diet for most people For a few people for very small percentage it is because their body is so reactive, diet for most people. For a few people, for very small percentage it is, because our bodies are so reactive, but for most people, it just doesn't, and that's just... Well, and that was my point of saying that addressing the whole lifestyle part of this, like if this is gonna be a lifestyle thing for the rest of your life,

then why I wouldn't stop at just the carnivore diet, I would maybe utilize that diet to eliminate a lot of foods, but my desired outcome would get to the bottom of things like that. And I tell you what, someone who is listening to this, that this rings true for you or you're like this, you're a great example of somebody who should look

into like Neutrousense and a glucose monitor and see how those different carbohydrates are affecting you. Because you may have that exact thing. I mean, I told you I had that similar experience when I was messing with different foods. I had literally like a half of a cinnamon roll. That shit went through the roof. Yet I could eat 10 tacos and my body was like totally fine. I didn't look, I had a nice balanced low calorie meal. So you don't know until you start testing some of these things. And I

think there's tremendous value. And I would never want to eliminate everything down to one, one food group for the rest of my life and consider that. If you can help it, right? Yeah, no, it's funny. When I first read the question, I thought it meant for moral reasons. I'm like, who eats just meat for more? I wanna save all the plants.

Yeah, and I hate cows. That's the only one I'm murder, for real. So I just wanna eat meat. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal, and again, they're all totally free. There's a lot of them on there.

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