Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1819: The First Step to Losing a Lot of Weight, How to Prevent Sports Injuries, Tips for Modifying MAPS Programs & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: May 21, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here’s an interesting muscle-building hack. At the end of your workout do a deep static stretch of the target muscle, and hold it for one-two minutes. It’s painful but can signal recovery and muscle growth. (2:11) How has Sal NOT been kicked off Twitter?! (8:21) The challenges of removing bots from social media platforms. (11:04) TikTok, fast-food junk. (16:44) Making the mental switch from getting lean to shredded. (19:55) How ‘Ready Player One’ hit it out of the park! (23:55) Vuori is on a rocket ship! (26:55) Sal’s strategy to cut down on caffeine. (29:01) Dr. Seuss is royalty. (34:55) The BLM organization continues to get called out! (37:09) Mind Pump Recommends, The Big Conn on Apple+. (42:58) Building healthy family routines with Felix Gray. (45:53) The one-time Alex Jones snuck into Bohemian Grove. (49:43) #ListenerLive question #1 - How do I eat in a surplus to build muscle? (56:33) #ListenerLive question #2 - How do I train to prevent injuries, if I want to get back into playing basketball pushing 40? (1:08:53) #ListenerLive question #3 - How can I best implement mobility work into a client's session to make it engaging for them, and want to keep practicing/improving in the long run? (1:22:13) #ListenerLive question #4 - What is the best way to incorporate auxiliary exercises (such as sled work, and mace bells/Indian clubs) into MAPS programs? (1:37:38) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! May Promotion: MAPS Starter Bundle and MAPS Spilt 50% off! **Promo code MAYSPECIAL at checkout** How to Use Intra-Set Stretching for the BEST Chest Workout | Ben Pakulski – Mind Pump TV MAPS Fitness Prime All-In Podcast E69: Elon Musk on Twitter's bot problem, SpaceX's grand plan, Tesla stories, Giga Texas & more Angel: How to Invest in Technology Startups—Timeless Advice from an Angel Investor Who Turned $100,000 into $100,000,000 – Book by Jason Calacanis Scientists Invent Mouth Haptics for VR, Including Water, Wind and... Spiders Ready Player One (2018) - IMDb Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout* Jolt Cola: The Story of the Original Energy Drink Dr. Seuss Getting Valuation for Possible Sale at Auction BLM Co-Founder Paid Her Baby’s Father $970,000 For ‘Creative Services,’ Brother $840,000 For Security: Report The Big Conn | Apple TV+ Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Bohemian Grove - Alex Jones - YouTube JRE #1555 - Alex Jones on Bohemian Grove, Skull & Bones, Epstein MAPS Fitness Anabolic Mind Pump #1565: Why Women Should Bulk MAPS Fitness Performance Stop Working Out And Start Practicing – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Fitness Prime Pro MAPS Prime Webinar MAPS Prime Pro Webinar How To Do The Sled Push The RIGHT Way! (AVOID MISTAKES!) – Mind Pump TV How to Use Indian Clubs – Mind Pump TV How To Use The Steel Mace Bell in Your Fitness Training (John Wolf) | MIND PUMP MAPS Strong Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Sal Di Stefano (@mindpumpsal)  Twitter JasonMC (@Jasoncalacanis)  Twitter Jake Shields (@jakeshields)  Instagram Cory Schlesinger (@schlesstrength)  Instagram Paul J. Fabritz (@pjfperformance)  Instagram

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code May special for that 50% off discount So if you're interested, go to maps, fitnessproducts.com, and then use the code MaySpecial for that 50% off discount. All right, here comes the show. Here's an interesting muscle building hack. At the end of your workout, do a deep static stretch of the target muscle. Hold it for one to two minutes. Very painful, but it actually triggers muscle growth. Is there a name for this? You know, that's a good question.

I know that there's training methodologies that will use this technique. Like, you ever hear of DC training? DC stands for dog crap. You ever hear about this? I'm not making this up. No. That's what it stands for.

Where to God. So scientific. There's this, no, there was this body builder guy. I can't remember his name. And on the, on a forum, he got real popular and his forum name was dog crap. So they, they called it dog crap. This is the industry where you're a part of you guys. It's why we're doing well. That's hard to dominate industry. People call themselves dog. No, I'll continue.'ll joking aside, it was, that's the one that I've known of. I know that bodybuilders in the past have incorporated this.

I know Tom Platz would do this at the end of his workouts. Arnold often talked about deep stretching, a pump muscle, studies show that static stretching on its own will elicit a little bit of muscle growth. But after a workout, this is mostly anecdote, although there's some studies that show that this is actually true, you get a muscle really pumped and then you do it like a weighted stretch. Yeah. So a weighted static stretch wasn't been Pekolsky.

That's so yes. Well, he's interest stretch, so it's so set. Oh, in between set. Yeah. So I was going to ask you if the science that supports that is the same science or are they separate? So it's a stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress stress So I could see how bodybuilders going light and just kind of getting a pump would be okay, but I don't want to. Yeah, definitely not strengthening. Yeah, I'm not trying to dampen my CNS, but at the end of a workout, I'm care, I'm done.

In which case, I think it might actually speed up recovery. Well, I imagine if I recall, because I did go through this protocol with Ben, and I think it is, it's interstretching at the end of like each muscle group. Yes, so like, oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. So you, I mean, so it's like you do all your sets, then you stretch and move to another one. Yeah. Oh, that makes sense.

Yeah. If I recall that's how it's on, I might be wrong. I don't remember. I know we actually shot some YouTube videos where he came on and actually did it. But what I was curious about is if the, the science that you're both using is the same science to support the argument of why this is valuable is the same. There's some, there's some interesting animal studies too, well, they'll take a bird and they'll put like a weight on one of the wings and hold it in a stretch position and they'll get like very rapid,

significant hypertrophy of the stretch muscle. So it's really interesting and it's not like, I mean, it's gnarly. I want people to know this, this sucks. Like, yeah, you get like your quad, I did it this morning. My quad's super pumped, I did it, you know, I worked out my legs. Then I got on a foam roller under my shin

so I could kind of sit back on my heels and I did two minutes sitting there with my quads being pumped. The burn is, it's almost unbearable, it's nasty. To me, it really sounds more like it's a nice and metric tension type. Stretch, if you're adding load, it's not passive at all. So you're still shuddling blood

and stimulating the muscles to be tense in that position. You're not resting on a joint. So I feel like it is just an isometric hold. I agree. I think that's why it builds muscles. So like, let's say you work out your chest, for example, and then you're done, and then you wanna use this technique, you would grab a pair of light dumbbells, lay in a fly, and allow the dumbbells to come down

and really, try to relax, and what you'll find is the dumbbells will fall further and further and further through that minute or two minutes. A minute is probably where most people will wanna stop, but I've gone as long as two and three minutes. It is gnarly. And then there's some theories around like, when a muscle is maximally pumped,

stretching it also helps send this kind of muscle fascia stretching signal, which has also been shown to kind of signal muscle growth. One thing that's cool about this is it doesn't, I don't notice any impairments in recovery or damage. So it's like I'm adding something that'll build more muscle, but I don't get more soreness or more fatigue. If anything, I feel like I recover faster.

I would imagine or theorize that it would accelerate that because you get yourself to relax a little bit when you're all super tight and you're pumped. You have the opposite direction than you're relaxing the muscle afterwards, right? Yeah, you know what's weird about it too? Like I did this yesterday, I worked out my upper body and I did it at the end of my back workout.

So I just kind of hung from a bar and tried to relax on my lat stretch. So I was like, really pumped anyway, because I finished my back workout. Then I did this long ass stretch, then I let go, and like five seconds later, the pump is way more intense. It's, you get this insane pump after the stretch.

So I'm not sure that. It's really wild. The only downside I would say is that it adds time to your workout. So you're probably gonna add like 15 minutes to your workout, you know, by doing something like this. But man, and then talk about like improved range of motion for the next workout, you get, you know, now you're not connecting to the range of motion like you would with when you're doing like priming necessarily, but it's also not necessarily passive.

So, well, it's a bit how we kind of programmed some ways the cool-down process in prime. That's what we did in prime. So, we had those static stretches to really reinforce positions, especially like, you know, end range positions, because we didn't want you to lock up from going through the workouts and being sort of formed into that. Yeah, dude, but it feels really amazing. I've done this before where I've gone through stints of doing it. And again, the reason why I don't do it consistently is the time factor because it's adding extra time.

But I've modified my workouts recently to reduce the volume to allow for the space to be able to do this. And it blows me away. And I'll keep you guys posted. But I know every time I've done it, I notice like this kind of muscle, you know, building boost from it. That is unique from adding exercises of volume. Because again, it doesn't take away from my recovery. You know, it blows me away is how you have not been kicked off Twitter the same way. It blows me away is how you have not been kicked off Twitter the same way. How are you still on Twitter? I've never had a filter. It's definitely no more. No.

Okay, so we still haven't got to the bottom of Instagram. I know we had some lawyer working it out trying to figure things out. I don't know if you just gave up and said, fuck it or whatever. But you decide to go over Twitter. Twitter, you become this like alter ego version of yourself and go 10 times harder. It's not lovely. And how are you not getting kicked off on there?

I don't think I'm big enough to, to, to, to, to garner attention. Oh, I'm wondering if you have to get a certain size. And then the, you know, the people who are here, you're significant right now. Yeah, I'll agree them as in picking up. At some point, at some point, they'll be like, he's not a threat yet. Yeah, we'll agree with them as in picking up. At some point, at some point, they'll be like, he's not a threat yet.

Yeah, we got to shut the, no, you know why? Because when I got kicked off Instagram, I started from scratch. And luckily for us, our social media really doesn't contribute to our business at all, thankfully. I know some people who build their entire businesses. Yeah, on like Instagram, and I feel bad. I feel dependent on it.

Because honest to God, getting kicked off Instagram, I did not do anything crazy. It wasn't anything crazy. I was very objective. I was very objective. I go way harder on Twitter. So if you see me on Twitter, it's like that is not what I did on Twitter.

They seem to be doing weird shit like where they go back. You mentioned before where like you. That's what happened to me. You're getting like old stories. Well, even the, you know you sent that thing about me and our private group. Yeah. That's like two, three old stories. Well, even the, you know, you sent that thing about me and our private group. Yeah.

That's like two, three years old. I know. That's how he was making threats to me. Yeah, I know. You know what? Okay. So here's how ridiculous it is. Yeah, get Adam off of here.

We have a private forum and Adam, this was like two years ago. At least Adam did a comment that said something like, hey, if, if, if, if we don't have, this isn't one of our biggest programs or launches, I'm gonna punch Justin in the dick. Obviously joking. Yeah.

Obviously joking, because he would never punch Justin in the middle. But I got excited with violence in three years later. Two years later, three years later. What the fuck? I don't know if they changed the algorithm and then it goes back. I was happy I wouldn't get punched.

I don't know, but on Instagram, it's so happened to me, I got all these warnings for story. And the story disappears after 24 hours. It's not even up anymore. But I I got all these warnings for story. In a story, it disappears after 24 hours. It's not even up anymore. But I would get all these warnings for stories that I posted two or three years before. And I was getting them every day. And that's when I told you guys,

like, oh, they're after me. There's gonna be something's gonna happen. Yeah. And then these like copycat accounts started popping up. And they would, they were like coming after me and it was really strange. So I don't know, I don't know. And I'm not trying to be conspiracy theorist about it,

but it's definitely very interesting. But yeah, on Twitter, I go a lot harder because I started from scratch, I was pissed off getting kicked because I don't like being told what I can and can't do. And I get it, Instagram is a private company, so I don't think there should be laws that force them to do anything,

but I'm like, I'm starting from scratch. I'm gonna go hard from scratch. So what's the latest in terms of Elon Musk's takeover and like how's that process all moving? So I he got interviewed on the all-in podcast. They did their summit in Florida. I wish we would want to know I should have gone Love those guys. I really I'm trying to I'm trying to get Jason Calcanis's attention because I know they're all in the Bay area And I'd love to have the guy on the show. He wrote a really good book on angel investing. It's really, really good. But anyway, the

interviewed Elon and Elon, the deal is on pause because he wants confirmation on how many fake accounts are on Twitter. Now, the public filing, here's a funny, so Elon based his information off the public filing, which you're supposed to be accurate, and that's supposed to lie. And the public filing says that they estimate about 5%. Well, he comes back and he says, I'd like to see the numbers because it seems like it's way more. He thinks it's probably like 10 times at a much,

as much as 10 times at a amount. That would be my sense. He thinks it's like 50%. He thinks it could be as much as 50%. He thinks it's like 20% is probably on the low end is what he was saying wow and he's like Well, you know, I believe that after you know, you made that comment about I forget whose page we were on it I think we're on Tom's page or something like that every comment was a bot bro Have you see did you see our last one of our last ones? No are one of our last posts on the mind pump me

It's it gets hitting our mind pump media page now. I think you just reach a certain level. Once you get over like a hundred thousand people and you actually have a lot of activity, these people that have these bots, they go after those pages. And so we're getting bombarded. We don't have any fake followers. And you know what, we're getting bombarded with that. I think it's just, there's a lot more of these platforms. And the challenge is, it reminds me of steroids in sports and professional sports. People are like, we want you to get rid of steroids and then the organizations are like, we're going to help get rid of it, but we really don't. But also it helps us.

Yes, these social media companies, they don't want to all of a sudden reveal that, you know, 30% of their users are fake, their numbers go way down, the stock price goes way down. Yeah. They get less money for advertising. So Elon said that Twitter, they way that they make money off advertising is through brand awareness. They're not like other social media companies where companies post and then make money off of sales.

He said mostly on Twitter it's brand awareness. And he goes, and that's a big deal if you have a lot of bots because you don't have a lot of real people looking at your brand. He goes, it'll, it'll, basically it'll crush them. And so he said to them, yeah, I'd like to get some confirmation. And then Twitter responded, said, there's no way for us to know. Yeah, well, the CEO, the CEO came out, I saw that tweet, the CEO came out and said, uh, that it would be like an invasion of privacy because they cannot tell the difference between a bot and a real person that they would have to go into their personal stuff in order to verify that. Therefore,

it would be like an invasion of privacy. It's never stopped them before. And Elon post just the poop emoji. Yeah. Yeah. Well, dude, on the interview, he said that, he goes, he goes, it's apparently, it's more complicated than the human soul.

He goes, he goes, he goes, it's like, it's like harder than getting to the moon. He goes, just trying to figure out these bots. Like basically he's saying, like bullshit. It's basically, yeah, bullshit, you guys though goes just trying to figure out these ball. Like basically saying, like bullshit. It's because of you guys. Yeah, bullshit, you guys though. Cause here's a deal. He paid a price based off of their public filing

and what they say to the public. Right. If it comes back, and it's like I can get a reduced price. Dude, how gangster would that be? Well, you're buying a broken cow and how gangster would that be? If he did all of that, knowing that, knowing that when they started to dig deep, they were going to find that they were overinflating their numbers and then they would either get in trouble

or have to reduce the hell out of them and then bail out. Like a super discounted price. How crazy would that be? I mean, this is crazy. It's opening up a lot of... Well, that's going to open up, looking into Facebook, Instagram. I bet you, like, that's a big problem. Huge.

It's all these social media stuff. It's gotta be a huge issue, especially if you build, if you pay for advertising and expect X amount of people to look at your brand, and you're like, wow, a lot of these people are fake, and it's prime for foreign entities that come in and incite extremism and... Yeah, well think about all the fake like upset people that like Seem to dominate the social media space like if that's really like say that's like 80% fake people

Just trying to get a rise out of everybody in terms of like rallying People towards these causes and it's not even real Like to me like like what does that say about society right now? Where are we? I don't know. It's, it is interesting. But I mean, I think an easy fix would have been, hey, if you want to start a profile on Twitter, show us your ID, confirm who you are, and then we'll give you a verified account. I think that's the only way to solve it. It's the only way to solve it. That's it.

Is that you will, people that want other people to know for sure they're real Will have to give up like their driver's license or give up something that verifies who they are and then what it'll look like instead of only like Super popular or famous people getting verified everybody who's real will be verified and then anybody who didn't go through that process and attach an ID to Profile will not have access anymore to that. It'll be interesting to see if he does something like that or they enforce this or not. And then what we'll call. Facebook does that.

You have to log in, you know, attach to, you're a real person, like it has to attach to something. Do you? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, you're email, like it, and it has to like, yeah, but that's not, anybody can make a Gmail account really quick and attach it to. I mean, you could have there's been ways I've tried the to like create another

account and it's I think Justin's right. I think Facebook if I'm a lot more I think the la hardest one. Yeah. Yeah. Instagram super easy Twitter super easy. Yeah. To make just fake crap. TikTok super easy to make by the way, TikTok, very interesting. Jake Shields, you guys follow him? You know, yeah, okay, he's interesting. He said, you know what's weird? He goes, I feel like TikTok pushes, because obviously if you want to platform,

you can prioritize certain content. He goes, I think they're promoting the most extreme crazy crap. And he goes and TikTok's owned by China. He goes, I wouldn't be surprised, I'm paraphrasing whatever, I wouldn't be surprised if China is trying to use TikTok as a way to mess with the kids and all that stuff. Yeah, that's propaganda.

I would, dude, I mean, I don't know, man, some of the craziest stuff I've seen that goes viral is on TikTok. Well, they display it completely different TikTok in China than here. They do. Yeah. And they can't even use other social media and stuff. They shut it off at certain hours.

What does that tell you? Yeah, exactly. Was that tell you? They just play a different TikTok. They have a different... Oh, you can get all these Facebook TikTok. No, not Facebook. Oh, yeah, they have their...

That's theirs. So I would think they screen it. So it's not like a bunch of stupid ass challenges where people like light things on fire or like destroy bathrooms or do all this like reckless shit that they do on top. It's different. I know, isn't that what that tell you? Yeah, it is weird.

I'm not on that one enough to have too much of an opinion on it. I mean, I know that we've got somebody doing a fast food junk. Like people just sit there and like scroll and it gives you like 15 seconds of bullshit. Yeah, it's like, there's like very unhealthy behaviors being promoted, you know, with kids and food and their bodies. I mean, that's social media in general, but it seems like it prioritizes the craziness

to put it at the top of the algorithm or whatever. Do you think it'll get popular ever for kids to kind of like not be on all this stuff? I think if it becomes cool to not to. It will. I agree. Kids are funny like that. They are. Whatever's cool now. There's a popular kid in elementary or high school right now,

who's like, I'm going to be again, instead of being someone who's on TikTok, who's on Facebook, who's on Instagram, and cares about, I'm not going to give a fuck. And he or she's got that confidence, and that's right. Yeah, and everybody wants to be like them. Like, that's all it's gonna take. It doesn't even have social media. Yeah, it's gonna take, it's gonna take, it's gonna take,

the second girls prefer to date boys that aren't on social media. That's just, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, I remember we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were,. My relationship with my white tank top, you know, that's how it started. Like I wore them because I was a kid.

And so you put on your kid. Some girls just said, some girls like, wow, you got really nice shoulders. You know, that was it, dude. I'm wearing this bad boy all the time. Hey, do you guys see that I bought some for my baby son? Oh yeah, a little mini me, dude. He's a tank, man.

He eats everything. He runs around in that little white, you know, Peter or whatever, just pushing, lift the belt, bro. He's gonna be, he's gonna be stocky. He's definitely gonna be pretty. And he likes like, like we give him sardines. He just loves them.

I know I can all those. Smash in the sardines I think. Oh yeah dude, loves them. Absolutely loves them. We haven't even tried some of that. Although Max will eat almost anything. So I have, I don't eat sardines though. So I don't, I'm not.

You'll eat what you eat. Yeah, so you'll eat touching sardines. Yeah, I'm not like sardine fans. So, but I mean, it's so good for him. So it's awesome that you guys got him do them. Yeah, and I'm on, I'm on, I finally like switch to the, you know, like the super, get shredded strategy now for myself. Now I'll ask you Adam, because I know Justin

could care less about these types of things. Let's have a conversation. Justin's like, I'm about to roll his eyes out. But were there things that you would do when you would finally make the switch? Has nothing to do with getting you lean? But it's just certain things that you would do that would psychologically? Of course. But do you have any things? I have tons of things. Yeah, of course. No. I mean, I even had phases of music. I had when I would reach certain lean-liness, I would allow myself to get tan.

I would trim, trim body hair. That's what I just did. I do all kinds of weird shit. That's what I just did. Like, it's a weird, uh, I don't know. And I don't know. I didn't get it from anybody. It's just something that like, I play these mental games with myself of, okay,

when I reach this level, then I'm going to get 10 when I reach this level. That I'm pursuing wax. It's this weird because it, and I think all it does is it gives me these little milestones. And then it's, it's in the space. Well, it also, it reinforces the, the look, right? Because we know that for every shade darker, you are, you look a certain percentage leaner. They've proven that, right? So getting 10 you look a certain percentage leaner. They've proven that right. So getting tan makes me look even more leaner.

So I'm like, okay, I'm going to be pasty white, work real hard, get to a certain point, I get that point, and then I'm going to slap the tan on it and feel really good. And it's like, and then I'm all hairy all over the place. And it's like, okay, I'm going to trim all that down. That's going to make the muscles. It's like a weird kid. Bro, I just did that annoyed the shit at a Jessica Tussle. Yeah, we go to bed and I take my shirt off and she's like a weird kid. I said you all kinds of weird kids. I just did that annoyed the shit at a Jessica too. Yeah, we go to bed and I take my shirt off and she's like,

ew. I'm like, what? She goes, you look like a boy because I trim night. I just, I'm not trying to sleep with a boy. I'm like, babe, is it trim? There's a shaved. I trimmed it and then I shaved it. And then I let it grow out a little bit.

Yeah, but that's just, and I don't care. I could care less. You guys know that all at myself. But it's just mental. Like, now I'm I'm in the space like I'm just time to get Shredding I mean I I really think that But she just there's a there's a difference between staying kind of fit and healthy Which is where I kind of considered my category right now and then getting like shredded like getting shredded is such a is To me it's less to be consistent, it's less physical

and it's more a mental game. A hundred percent. So all those little stupid things, you can make fun of me all you want, I think that those strategies are some of the things that would help me. The difference between me walking around it like nine to 10 percent and getting down to six percent is this. Ninety-ten percent is eighty-five percent of the time I eat really well. 15% of the time I enjoy the burger or the dessert or whatever. 6% it's 99% of the time.

Do you know what a pain in the ass? How much mental, it's hard mentally to be like that on the weekend, at night, at the day, you're traveling, you go somewhere to eat. Yeah, so I have to mentally put myself there. Otherwise, it's like, forget it. No, no. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I even have certain clothes that I wear when I get to certain phases. Like, I'm super- This leave list shirt. I mean, I've been doing that. I did that long enough that you start to have to, I don't know, you don't have to, but you tend to start to do things like that.

Yeah. To kind of keep you focused or pushing because it is. It's that like exactly what you said, getting down to 9% is one thing. It's just like a little bit of discipline, a little bit of sacrifice. You still have good balance in your life. It's not like you're sacrificing.

You get down sub 6%, and that's the reason why I don't think it's healthy long term, because you're not living much. You know what I'm saying? You're literally like your thoughts, most of the day are centered around, you're eating it and trying. It just planned, everything's planned.

You have to be. And I'm doing it for a couple, I'm doing it really because it's for fun, but also, you know, we're, and I'm not gonna reveal too much, but I'm gonna be in one of our upcoming in the future programs. So I wanna look the part type of deal.

He's not only. And have fun with it. Finally. That's a little bikini briefs. Yeah, totally. Stay tuned. That'll sell zero. That's a real progress.

If I do that, bro. Anyway, did you guys see that? Okay, so scientists have now created mouth haptics for VR. How does that work? Yeah, I know. I feel so the art is things are you Yeah, I know. I feel the article, things are you feel things? Okay, so I, so the article I read had this image that didn't show the girl had anything

in her mouth. It actually looked like a weird thing on the headset, but the way the article explained what they have figured out is they had figured out these mouth haptics that will allow people to feel this sensation of drinking or eating in virtual reality and or wind blowing on your face or like if you were flying or things like that. So you're going to feel that sensation through your mouth. What a trip. That's crazy.

I wonder what the first applications of that. I'm sure it's not going to be pretending to eat. No, the water. Oh, spiders. Oh, what the hell? Who would want that? Hey, I'll be good trick to play on your friend. Hey, watch this game real quick. I mean, I, the closer in closer, we get to this, the more and more I think that boy

did, did they really hit it out the park with player one? Oh, it's so good. I mean, I just think that we, that is really, really close to it. I mean, maybe not the whole dystopian, like, you know, everyone living in trailers stacked up or what do I have to, but the idea of we're gonna have these body suits and goggles on and it is going to feel like you're in there. You know what, I was not far from that.

No, I know what else. They got gloves now too. It'll happen in our lifetime for sure. Oh, yeah. I was not far from that. No, I know what I was like. They got gloves now too. It'll happen in our lifetime for sure. Oh, yeah. I was thinking the other day that, because one of the challenges with shopping online is that you don't have the experience of actually shopping in a store or trying things on.

You could totally do that in the future with these haptic suits and stuff because it'll have your body measurements. Well, that's part of the thing. You'll walk through the store, put on clothes. That's why Nike and these guys are doing that why they're already buying into the virtual world. Because that is exactly what they expect is gonna happen is,

and it sounds ridiculous. But there's a lot of people, and you guys have to have, I know you guys have to have a best friend, a cousin, or someone of yours that lives three plus hours away from here. Sure. And you guys have similar, you guys like the same sport, so you like certain thing, best friend, a cousin, or someone of yours that lives three plus hours away from here. And you guys have similar, you guys like the same sport, so you like certain thing, and like you can now go attend

a concert or you can go shopping at a place with them. Like, you can't tell me there's not a lot of people that would totally eat up that meat up with someone. Yeah, you know, you call your friend up on the phone and they're, they live in a different state. Bro, exactly. Hey, meet me at the Nike store. Let's go shopping for some sneakers today You know what else remember demolition man

when with with sovets Sloan where he's like he gets frozen or whatever and goes in the future Yeah, and they remember when they're gonna have sex and it's like oh, we don't do it the old fascist gross like we had a plug ourselves Simulated yeah, I do what I like to promote it a safe sex. Oh, No, we're not touching just put on the haptic suit And then we'll have sex and no one's gonna get in the STDs or whatever. I bet you lame. I bet no Anyway, lazy. Hey, I gotta tell you guys something pretty pretty cool about our sponsor Viori So when we started with Viori, what were they what were they valued at we first started with them? Oh like a hundred million Yeah, they're billions now, right? Yeah, they think they were either two or four billion is what they do. So, we had some friends visit and Jessica's friends were coming to visit.

And when I said hi to them, I was wearing, you know, Viori or whatever. And she's like, oh my God, I love that company. Are you sponsored by them? I'm like, yeah, she was like a huge fan. We go to Santana, so we go to Santana Row because she wanted so bad to go to the Viori store there because she's like and it's just crazy to me how much that company has grown and how it's like and I went into it. So Lululemon

is across the street at Santana Row. So Santana Row for people that know is it's like open air street at Santana Roe. So Santana Roe for people that know is it's like open air, you know, kind of high-end shopping mall. Viori is across the street from Lulu. Viori, 15 people in their shopping. Lulu, three. Oh wow. Yeah, dude, and it's, it's, I think it's the cooler,

I think it's cooler, because I asked her, I said, what do you think of Lulu? She's like, I like him, but I like Viori way more. And I walked to the store and it was full. Full, full, full. You know, it's funny about that too. I've had a few experiences where I'll meet somebody and then they're like, oh, is that fewer? Like, I thought they were like, oh, you, the

one of the hosts on Mind Pump. It's like, no, oh, that's Vury clothing. Yeah. That's, I love that. Climbing. I do too. Yeah. No, I got this pulse. So I'm, you know, I'm trying to get more of these kind of colored looking shirts. I mean, look at this. I like, yeah, it's great. I haven't got any of those. Yeah, dude. But I couldn't believe their store was so busy and Lulu was not. I wonder how much of the market share they've started to eat up. I mean, obviously Lulu was the leader

in the athlete's real space. They're exploding. Every time I read about them, they're just exploding more and more. And now they're grabbing the female market because obviously they start with men. They're really grabbing the female market and just blowing. And they obviously they do.

It's one of those things once you buy a pair and you wear it, then you're all in. It's just it's just making that leap. Like I'm guaranteed there's listeners right now. Oh, I've been meaning to go try some of their stuff out. I haven't done it and you kind of hesitate. I think you finally do it. Then you're like, Oh, shit. The stuff is really a speaking of our sponsors.

So you know, I've been trying to cut caffeine. By the way, are you are you back on caffeine? You are right. So I'm having a cup in the morning. So yeah, my morning cup And then I actually I was just talking to Doug about how much it's been helping me because Doug I guess has come down off of his caffeine also you two Doug We're you at by the way because you didn't have much to begin with. I mean a hundred fifty two hundred milligrams a day Oh, so that's not not a lot. Yeah, but not like Justin around. Yeah, I was up to 400 These guys were like in the 600 probably range. Oh, I was like six 700 just like over a thousand. Yeah, he's like Downplay

No, I've tapered off appreciating an IV at a town At least by like what a clock now. No, I'm so on this like I stopped at least by like one o'clock now. No, I'm so on this like element with red juice kick right now. So I've been on that. It really, I can feel a difference. So yes, so I tried cutting, you guys noticed, I tried cutting caffeine, we're up in trucky

and I was like, forget it dude, I'm depressed and zombified or whatever. So now I'm using, so the things in red, in the, or again, if I read juice that help or the rodeo red, in the, or again, if I read you's that help, or the rodeola and the cordisps. Both of those have stimulatory properties, but not like caffeine. It's not really a C and S stimulant,

but it helps offset the symptoms. So here, I wrote down the strategy I've been using, and it's, I'll tell you the feeling that it makes me feel, is I've put my finger on it because I've consistently done it now, is, right now, because I trained myself so consistently to have a cup of coffee on the drive over here, and then when I get here I was having an energy drink or two. So when we get ready to podcast, I have this like almost anxious feeling.

So I feel unsettled. So it's a really weird like, and I want this, this coffee, obviously I've been trained, I've been trained myself to want it all the time. And when I take the red juice, it just calms that down. Energy, calm. Yes, yes. So I don't feel all sleepy entire, like I need something to give me energy, and I don't feel all anxious feeling

that it totally settles me down. So here's what I did. So this is for anybody who's trying to come off of it. So I sat down because I'm like, I do not like when I feel like something has a grab of me. And I felt like, what tried to come off caffeine, I thought it'd be just go cold turkey. And I'm like, oh, I don't like. It's a powerful drug. Caffeine is a legit drug. It's got, it's deadly at a relatively low dose. You get classic withdrawal symptoms. Your body adapts. It's addictive. So it's,

it's, and I don't like the fact that I felt like it had a hold on me. Well, the reason why we celebrate it so much, that's why. Oh, it's so celebrated. It's in kids soda that's intimidating. Oh yeah, that's what every, yeah. I mean, literally, and it's happened in our lifetime. Dude, if we were, we were kids, coffee wasn't like a thing. No.

Like everybody drinks coffee now, and it's just, it starts with that, you have one cup, and wasn't like a thing. No. Like now everybody drinks coffee now, and it's just, it starts with that, you have one cup, and then you have two cups, and then you got to do extra espresso shots, and it's turned into like this thing. I mean, I see people post it all the time, bragging about how many espresso shots that they have to put in their coffee,

and because all the studies show all the benefits of caffeine, there's not a lot of negative stuff that comes out. As far as we've just, everyone goes, it's a bell curve. Caffeine has some benefits, but then it's got some real bad detriment. And if you use it long term, it stresses your body out. So it's good to go off. That's a fact, 100%.

And you're right, when we were kids, jolt cola. Remember that? That was the high caffeine drink. I think it had 80, 80. It's all sugar. It was like 60 minutes. Yeah, it was like, Yeah, it was even 100. That's not even a small red bull these days.

Which, would you help drinks that? No, the real coffee drinkers were like the bus drivers. We were like smoking cigarettes and like, ah, I'm getting life. That's not a nice shit. Or your teacher, I had a teacher that would just on breaks would smoke and drink coffee and then she'd come help you with your work

and just breathe on you. We were like, oh, anyway. So here's what I did. I sat down and I said, okay, I want to create a caffeine strategy where I bring it down and minimize the shitty feeling of coming off. So here's what I did. I did a staggering approach and I incorporated the Red Juice because I noticed it made a significant difference.

So I was at 400 milligrams of caffeine on average a day. So here's what I do. The first day I cut it in half, go down to 200 milligrams of caffeine on average a day. So here's what I do. The first day I cut it in half, go down to 200 milligrams of caffeine, add red juice. Day two is 100 milligrams of caffeine, add red juice. Day three, I go back up to 300 milligrams of caffeine, red juice, then to 200, then to 100, then back up to 200, then 100, 150.

Now why am I doing the staggering approach? Because every third day or so, I get the wonderful effects of being sensitized to caffeine and it's a break because it does suck coming off. Now, this is like a 10-day strategy, but at the end of the 10 days, I'll be down to 50 milligrams eventually I'll go off

and then the plan is to go off completely for probably four or five weeks, then reintroduce it again. And here's the other thing about caffeine. It is an amazing, wonderful drug when you're sensitized. Yeah. When you haven't used it a while, then you have some, it's like the greatest antidepressant energy producing thing in the world.

I feel the same way about weed, weed the same way too. You have to, same thing, yeah. Same thing. It's such an amazing, powerful thing, especially for like creativity and relaxing and body numbing like you have a chronic pain, like such a powerful thing. But if you chronically use it every single day and you pick up the dose on that, it loses its lustre too. But you pull off of that for a week and

that's all it takes on that stuff. What I love about that is it's so much easier than caffeine. I can cut smoking weed out for caffeine. Yeah, caffeine. Yeah, caffeine I can feel it. Like that was rough. Yeah, and it's, caffeine. I can feel it. Like, that was rough. Yeah, and it's hard because if you have a job or you got responsibilities, like, I can't be depressed. Some being come to the podcast or, you know, hang out with my kids. Like, they're going to pay the price with my withdrawal. So that's why I did that strategy.

But the red juice totally, and again, it's the rodeo on the court of seps is what does it totally mitigates the, a lot of the, it's the rodeo on the court of seps is what does it totally mitigates the a lot of the it's not perfect you still feel like you're not you know like you're going off caffeine But it makes a big difference. Yeah Yeah, well, let's see guys Yeah, well you look something up for me. I put it up in the notes like I think it was last week and I've been meeting to bring it up And I forgot Who is trying to buy the rights or so? Dr. Seuss is there there's I think they're upuss is, I think they're getting value-rated right now

so they can potentially sell the rights. So, very similar to Marvel and like all that. Oh, really? Yeah, imagine getting the rights to Dr. Seuss and then doing all kinds of crazy series to that. Interesting. Yeah, I think that's really interesting. What company? They are getting their company value-rated. I think they're positioning themselves to get acquired or get or get the rights bought. That's an empire. Yeah. Huge. I mean, in the amount quite a few of those like Pixar looking movies, I don't know what the difference is like the studio that makes those, but they've made a bunch of Dr. Seuss-based type movies. Yeah, it makes sense.

Yeah, good story telling, right? I love Dr. Seuss. You know what that says, Doug, or is it telling you? There's a lot of information here. It is the number one literary license in the US by print sales. Wow. Dr. Seuss, I imagine how massive that is.

I mean, billions and billions of dollars. Well, and then imagine how, like, look at what we've learned, like what the Disney can do with things like the Star Wars and the Marvel thing, like that. And then build on characters. With that many written stories around Dr. Seuss, imagine how much they could build off of that. That's massive.

It's huge. It's like, I mean, it's a American royalty. You know, there's some brands that are just like Star Wars is like that. Marvel has kind of become like that. Yeah, I would put Dr. Susa up there with that. Yeah, Dr. Susa is is it's royalty. Like you own that. You own a piece of American history. So say that again, to the most the most sold written literature. What did you say? What is the number one literary license in the US by print sales? Wow. Yeah. so it sells more copies than any other IP based book, creating for both children and adults.

That's crazy, right? That's gotta be, I mean, again, it's gotta be valued at Billy. Oh, it'll be, it'll be billions for sure. So that's why it's interesting, right, to see. I'm so curious to see. And I know like people that are up potentially looking at Netflix, I think is looking at it, right? I think Amazon's looking at it.

Comcast, Warner Animation Group. Yes. Oh, hey, I wanted to, did you guys watching all this like revelations on the BLM organization? Oh, I just saw something. I don't know if it's true though. So I don't, I,

It's all, it's true. You're like, it's true. It's true. It's true. Well, first of all, I saw, okay, first I saw the buying mentions. Okay, yeah. Then they're throwing parties, that tens of thousands of dollars parties

And then it just came out that the leader the the girl the founder whatever paid her baby daddy, right? So the guy who has she has a child with 940 thousand dollars for creative services for Creators paid her brother 800 something thousand dollars for security. Yeah, it's it you know what? I'm gonna say this right now. With donated money. Yes. It was an admitted Marxist organization. They said that themselves. They were totally taking advantage of people's empathy

and fear. What a manipulation. Racebater. The crazy part about that is like how extreme that is. Like you could probably, she totally could have got a, like away with like, paying maybe a hundred grand or something like that to some things like that. Bro, when the whole-

And justify paying a million dollars to your- Listen, you know why? It's like, I'm going to get away with it. You're not going to do anything about it. Do you know why? Think about it. You guys remember when all that shit went down? NBA, MLB, NHL, freaking every major corporation.

You couldn't say, no, BLM is a Marxist organization without people just coming after you. So she felt invincible. Oh yeah, they'll never come after us because they were shielded with this, we fight racism bullshit, which you don't. It's a whole ideology. Yeah, and then people gave them money for two reasons

and I'm gonna call people out right now. One, because you're empathetic and that gets manipulated, politicians do that all the time. And I'm gonna call people out right now. One, because you're empathetic, and that gets manipulated. Politicians do that all the time. And two, a lot of people just, for two say no, bro. Please God, look here, I donated, I'm not racist, don't hate me, don't whatever.

There's this weird sense that you had to like do specific things to prove you're not racist, which I was always like, this is crazy. No, it's bullshit. I remember when we felt the pressure, when I was like, you gotta post this on your thing and we're like, no, I'm not gonna post anything from this organization who just literally said

that they are part of a philosophy that's killed more people. It's a collectivist philosophy. That's racism is collectivism, okay? Marxism is collectivism. It's all connected. It's bullshit, it's total bullshit. So it annoys a shit at me. So now, of course, people are kind of waking up

to the fact that they donated money to a bunch of exploitive fake baloney. It's crazy to me that's not making like front page news and headlines to me. I mean, it's hard to really, is it coming out like that? Did I feel like all the articles I found and like very few people I knew and even knew about it? It's some, you know why?

Cause a lot of people are embarrassed, you know? How many people were like, yeah, you know why? Because a lot of people are embarrassed. You know, how many people were like, yeah. Like, you know why? Because Matt, you're gonna be donated all this money and he's like, where it's going. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, a lot. Hundreds of millions of dollars.

Like, that's inferior. Yeah, and I get the sentiment. I think that's why so many people got this today. Okay, you gotta be some, like, there's gotta be some things that they did something. Maybe, I know they painted some streams. They show up and organize maybe protests or they'll speak out or whatever, but no, they really don't.

Well, having to donate and all that to college, you know, and like grants and doing things like that to get, you know, people more into that realm of education opportunity. You just have to be careful because the easy, the two easiest ways that P.U. will get manipulated is through your empathy. And the reason why empathy is such a nasty thing to manipulate is because you feel like you're doing something good. I'm helping. So you'll fight that tooth and nail, right?

And then fear, obviously. Scared the shit out of you. And the way that they manipulated people through fear or the way that we all kind of got manipulated was, oh my God, everybody's getting attacked if they don't support this organization. I'm talking about the organization, not the sentiment, the sentiment's totally different.

I'm talking about the branded organization of BLM. They were full of crap and they manipulated a whole bunch of people and I was starting to say, how many mansions they bought and all that stuff with that money? Come on, dude. And don't pay taxes because it's a... Yeah, I saw you posted about that this morning.

How's it going? Are you getting mad heat for it? No, no, I think people are just, a lot of people are like, yeah, I feel shitty, you know? But you think people are aware. Yeah, I mean, how mad would you be if you were all about it? And then you read that she paid her brother $800 something thousand dollars for security

and her baby daddy, you know, almost a million dollars for what the hell's creative services? What the hell is that mean? Well, I mean like the last few years is logo opportunity driven, right? It's like anything that's out there to make money on it's gonna press full throttle. Oh, yeah I told you how much we pay for our logo. Do we pay close to million? Hey, by the way, I don't care if you're too or money and you want to pay your whatever friend tons of money, but I do care when you lie and you do nation money.

Well, that's why I said, okay, if it was a little bit more reasonable, it probably could have easily got brushed under the rug and been like, no, they'd deal. Like, I mean, you can make the case that you need security, you can make the case that you need somebody for creating design and so on. Of course. But to pay them $1 million is like a little, well, this is how some of the televangelists

come down, right? Totally. Like, it's the same thing. Like, they just end up like totally like misusing the donations and they go back to rally more donations and it literally is funding their bank accounts and everybody else. Well, I feel bad. I mean, the whole situation was shitty. I felt really bad for, look, I have a lot of friends

that are police officers. Do you know, hard it was to be a good cop when all that shit went down, when the whole defund the police, which by the way, nobody supports that now because everybody knows it's terrible idea. It doesn't work. But do you know how many good police officers? I know good people.

These are people unrelated to friends of mine. Like, these are good, genuinely good people that are like, man, I'm getting like, people are trying to spit on me. Like I became a police officer to fight this kind of garbage and I'm getting hammered for putting my neck out there to save people's lives and so I thought that was terrible. Well, speaking of con artists, we were off air, we were talking about HBO,

how good the content that they've been producing. Did you guys have you guys seen the big con yet? No. Pull it up, Doug. I'm pretty sure it's called the big con. It's on HBO Max. I just started watching it. It's like a four or five part, the same people who did the Mcmillions.

I was super sucked into this last night. And I think I got through two or three episodes of this dude. But he's like, I forget. Maybe it'll pull up the town. That's like some's like some small podung town in the middle of nowhere. And this tunky is Kentucky. Yeah, becomes soup like one of the most famous lawyers ever. He's a social, he ends up being a social security lawyer. And what he, he becomes infamous for is the ability to get people there, basically their social security insurance within 30 days. The process normally takes like 18 months for the hours person.

And this dude had worked deals with judges. And he's on like every billboard. I mean, just he becomes super famous, super freaking rich helping out. And it's like this category that nobody pays attention to. So for like over a decade, this dude got away with this, like scamming people and making tons of money off of this. And then you got caught and he's a big trouble. Well, so I'm not at the final of the show.

I'm in the middle of it right now, but you just reminded me talking about people conning people out of money and like I had to bring this up. Like it's so far it's interesting as shit. I had never heard of this dude. But what have you seen the preview for? Yeah, Doug? I saw the preview and I had to bring this up. Like it's so far it's interesting as shit. I had never heard of this dude. But what have you seen the preview for? Yeah, Doug. I saw the preview and I wanted to watch it.

Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, you guys will like it. It's super interesting. Whenever there's lots of government money, you see some of the worst cons. They go in there and they get them free. You know, and that's, it's, it makes you wonder too, like because we have so much government involvement

with so many things like that. That's all it takes is someone like this to figure out this. Well, you know what it is. And by the way, be celebrated. Yeah. Like this dude's helping people out that are on so security and helping them get their money and stuff like that. Well, you know why it's because when you try to rip off a private company, they're, they're, they're really their best interest is not in losing this money. It's their money. We got to watch things. And you can still con companies, but it's much harder. When you con government, they have all this money that they give out and the more they give out,

the more they get, because each time they do their budget, they look back and say, oh, well, you didn't use all this money. You don't need as much. So they're encouraged to give this out. And so it becomes this kind of- Well, not only that, but there's so much bureaucracy and so many levels and people between things that it's so easy to weave your way. And that's what he basically proved. It's like how easy it was. Oh, man. That's...

All you needed to know was, all you needed was like a best friend as a judge to sign off on something. You're doing good for people, so no one's gonna question it, you know what I'm saying? And so he was just pumping these... It was a little hustle. Oh, yeah, it was such a? And so he was just pumping these. It was a hustle. Oh yeah, it was such a hustle and it was clever as shit

and everybody was celebrating, you know. Yeah, totally. So super wild. Hey, I wanted to say, talk about a little success with some of my family members. So you know, you know, hard it is to convince family members in particular to adopt, like fitness or health strategies and you know, you kind of just give up and wait for them to ask you at some point because it just they don't listen

Well, well at some successes. I've got family members now that it's part of the routine to wear their Blue light blocking glasses before they go to bed an hour before and they notice a difference and they do it It's easy and they do it every night and they're like I sleep so much better So the next now I'm trying to get my grandfather and my grandmother to use it as well. So you feel a little bit... Did you start buying it for, but as gifts, I try to do that and I gotta follow up, but I'm not sure it's like, it's successfully.

I, you know, that's the thing. Like, I'll do that with, like, I've done that before I'll do things for people and then they don't do it and I got my feeling certain. Yeah, yeah, so I'm like, forget it. But no, wait till they're right. I got people, that's like that. Now that's like their routine and they're like, yeah, you know, I do the thing that you said.

Do you do you think that's easier or the so I was listening to, um, we're getting ready to interview Kelly, right? She's coming on the show. And so I was doing my homework on some of the stuff that she that she talks about. And she was talking about the, you know, finding, um, very, very simple hacks to integrate into people's life that were with very little resistance, right? And that's like a simple thing, right? That's, you're not telling them,

they have to do something radically different. It's like, hey, dude, when the sun goes down, just put these glasses on. Yeah, they're clear. Yeah, put these glasses on. Or what she was actually talking about was the, you know, the salt lamps, you know, instead of using your overhead light,

using the salt lamps, I feel like that's a harder stuff. So that's why I'm asking. What I was just, just what made me why I brought that up is I was I was list I was listening to her. I'm listening to you right now talk about that and I'm wondering like what do I think is Easier I think the glasses from here. It is because I keep them in like the areas where I have either television Exactly and they just sit right there and everybody watches TV at night. Yeah, who do I mean everybody? I know watches TV before go to bed.

So instead of saying don't watch, don't turn on electronics an hour or two before bed or put salt, you know, lamps on or just use candle light. Most people are like, no, I love my routine. That's what I agree with you. That's why I like the blue blockers better. Is it's like, okay, I can put those on and there could still be fluorescent lights on

or there can still be the computer on. Exactly. Now I still try and discipline myself because we have those amber lights or whatever to switch the amber lights or to have the fireplace on and kind of do that instead. But if I have that on, I'm less worried. I'm less worried if I look at my phone unless, but if you do the salt lamps, but you're on your laptop or you're watching TV and you're doing all those things, I feel like it kind of defeats the purpose.

Totally. Yeah, because again, it's a routine, a lot of people enjoy it. Oh, I put the kids to bed. I've got an hour and a half. I want to watch TV with my spouse. And now you're telling me I got to turn off electronics. Like, I want to keep doing that here, put on these glasses. You know what else we did is we bought Jessica

bought these red light bulbs. Have you seen those? So she put them in some of our bedrooms. Like red, red are the amber ones that I'm talking about. They're like the kind of similar to this. No, no, no, they're red. And they're made to minimize the effects of light because it doesn't have blue or green light in it.

So you turn them on. Now again, that's also not as easy because you want to walk around and red light, all over the place or whatever. But we like it. So at night, if we turn on light, it's just kind of a red glow versus the bright. I was like, what I've never told you guys, the juice, the first that I first got it, just kind of a red glow versus the bright neighbors worried. There's some satanic culture.

I was like, when I, when I told you guys the Jew, the first, when I first got it, when I used to live in the condo window. Yeah, when I used to live in the condo, dude, those things are so crazy. I told you, he showed me a picture of my house. So I'll never forget this. I shared it on the podcast years ago.

When I lived in that, I had that three story and we had it up in our spare room and the Jew's Light was so powerful. And my walls were all white that it reflected the whole house, the whole house glue red. So he was, he was, he was going out of there. Yeah, so he took a picture. It was just like this, like, you know, it was after dark, right?

It's like eight o'clock at night. So many, what's the name, oh, pal? Oh my god, it's got to look so weird to walk him by. Do you remember, do you remember when Alex Jones snuck into, it was like this, the living grove? Yes, yeah, did. Do you know that you remember when Alex Jones Snuck into it was like this a lot of human growth. Yes. Yeah, did you know that's real? Yeah, he snuck into this bohemian grove I don't know where all the politicians and super wealthy people go and they they put on the fucking Horan thing and they and there was a big effigy of like the satanic They protect like the drinking blood and they burned and then they were all around it chanting.

And he's big owl god. Yeah, and he filmed it. And it was like a real thing, dude. He actually got in and filmed it. He did. He, you can watch the video if you go online. Now, does he say, these are a porter back in the day.

And so he, he was like kind of exposing a lot of the things. It's the thing is like, everybody just wants to like, write him off as a quack right away. But he started out as like an investigative journalist. Well, some of the shit. It's the thing is like, everybody just wants to like, write him off as a quack right away, but he started out as like an investigative journalist. Some of the shit he says is real. That's the part that sucks. Yeah, because you hear him and you're like, wait a minute. Well, you proved like the CIA infiltrated

a lot of like peaceful protests. Yeah. It's just to make sure that like, they could come in and arrest him. What about the human pig chimeras? And then they're showing in China that I do in this with, you know, it's like pretty crazy. But that one was the wildest

because it was literally film of these wealthy, you know, successful, all the elites. Connected elites gathered around this big effigy of their God or whatever and wearing weird shit and chanting and singing to robes and everything. And yeah, and it's up in Northern California. So yeah, it's like way up north somewhere, you know, in the red woods.

Like heading towards Chasta or in that direction? Up, yeah, super high security. Nobody could get in, he snuck in and took it, had death threats and stuff afterward. Yeah, now when he was in there, did he say? He said, Total eyes wide shut kind of shit. Did they say, did he say who was there?

Did he drop names, do you remember? I don't know. I think he might, yeah, I'm sure he's, he said, like, cause to me that, that's the part that has to, like his, there's, there's lots of weird people doing lots of weird shit. Yeah. Oh, no, I think, I think there's presidents and ex.

Yeah, so to me, like, you got like really famous in prolific people in government and in, you know, maybe the, you know, entertainment industry and they're all in kuhuts and they're doing shit like that. Okay, that's a little weird to me, but I mean, weird shit happens all the fucking time. Oh, no, no, no. This weird people do a lot of weird shit. No, this, like in order to get in there, you have to be super connected. But imagine, imagine this, imagine if you built a business, you crushed,

you become a billionaire and then then some super connected politician, like, hey, come hang out, dude, we're gonna have a party. And then you walk in, and there's fake dead bodies made out of food. I imagine they've got these things. I'm gonna start it. So who's the author for Huck Finn, and that series way back?

Mark Twain? Mark Twain. So Mark Twain was actually attributed to starting this, I believe. Really? Mark Twain? Fact check me like starting this, I believe. Really? Mark Twain? Fact check me, Doug. But yeah, like it started out as sort of this like, this, this like sort of group of all

the, the celebrities and powerful people and whatnot. And they were able to kind of get away from society and, and have their own little party. And everything goes. What would you do though if you showed up to a party and you're like, oh, cool. I feel like you get like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don, I don,. No, I'm just kidding, bro. Like, why can't I come to the party? Just change. We canceled it when I do in the party. Yeah, so I'm sure that they they probably they probably don't jump straight to the crazy party. I'm sure they get like like a little bit of like breadcrumbs for sure. Yeah.

For the sector. We'll need to cook. You're not allowed down. Because you can't imagine you can't afford to bring somebody in who is gonna wrap you out. In a background check, everybody. Yeah, I bet it's, it's probably you probably got to apply and you probably know all about it in order to get in it. I bet. I mean, that's what I would say.

Oh, it doesn't say they're dug. You know, I'm not seen definitive statement that says that Mark Twain started it. But there are some suggestions that he did. Look up Bohemian grow. And then go on images, put Alex Jones, Bohemian grow and look up images and then you'll see a picture of them like praying to the screen. I mean, this is Google Doug's,

if you're really duck duck, go ahead. Yeah, there. Look at that, bro. So like burning shit and wearing weird stuff and praying to this weird, come on bro. Big some owl. That's some weird shit dude. Imagine if you saw that and there's like presidents, ex presidents and.

Well it would be weird if I saw presidents and ex presidents there. It wouldn't be that weird I just saw, I mean, just a bunch of, a bit in Northern California people. Yeah, you know, still convalially. Yeah, and they're all on, they're all on shrooms and they're doing their thing.

Yeah, that's the normal, this Wednesday. I mean, come on, dude, we have people that need our connected to in the health and fitness space that are so into the fucking shroom side of fitness right now and chanting and war painting and fucking doing weird shit too. So it's true. And if you were outside, no idea what's going on.

You walked in and you see these guys screaming at each other and pounding each other's chest and wearing thongs and paint on their face. I was laying down. There's like one guy is laying down and he had a whole sunning. Yeah. Come on.

His body was outlining crystals. You know, I was all around his body. He's like, oh, I'm gonna like chanting. I'm like, well, I mean, you know, teach their own, I guess. Yeah, dude. So there's lots of, it would be weird if it was like ex-president. Yeah, so to me, when I see things like this, I don't ride away go like, oh, so there's lots of, it would be weird if it was like express. Yeah, so to me, like that's when I see things like this,

I don't ride away go like, oh, there's plenty of people that. No, I think they were just, I think they were worshiping stuff. Really, really interesting people at this. I don't, I gotta look at them. So I remember when Joe and him had this conversation. So I did see that, early, I've seen clips of him talking about this.

And I do remember him saying that there were pretty famous people that were there, but I mean, I don't know how much that was confirmed. And, you know, how much is that like just like we hear now, like the big thing now is like, where you on the plane to Epstein Island, you know what I'm saying? So like, it's the whole conspiracy theory with all these people getting together. If it is confirmed, they'll put this information out,

you know, to make you question. Or they all sit together and they talk about how they can manipulate the world. We're gonna, at first, we're gonna release this virus and then we're gonna, oh, shit! Oh, shit! Oh, I don't see you. It's too fitting.

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Our first caller is Shannon from California. Shannon, what's going on? How can we help you? Hey, thank you for taking my call. I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. So I have two part question, but firstly, I've been wondering about how to eat properly in the surplus. I'm kind of trying to like work up the nerve to reverse diet. And if I'm

metabolically adaptive do I eat my surplus of what it should be to like build muscle or you know like let's say I maintain400 calories a day. If I bent that to 1,600 am I actually going to build muscle or do I need to work my way all the way up to like 2,500 so that my body you know can kind of make the other systems more efficient and then start building muscle. That makes sense. Yeah okay so a couple things when you when you go into a surplus. So you want to go a surplus is going to be quite individual. So you want to kind of figure out what your maintenance is.

If you know your maintenance is 1,400 calories, a 200 calorie bump from there is a safe place to go. Now it's two things to understand when you, with calories, or at least with how many calories your metabolism will burn. You have a range with your current lean body mass in terms of calories burned. So, you know, think of it this way. Like, your current lean body mass could burn, and I'm going to just make up some numbers between 1400 calories a day and 1700 calories a day without adding any additional lean body mass. Now, what determines if you go lower or higher your lifestyle? So,

are you sending a muscle building signal? That makes a big difference. Do you have a lot of stress? That makes a big difference. How's your sleep? That makes a big difference. Hormones will make a big difference. So you can bump your calories and see no weight gain whatsoever.

In fact, that's relatively common. It's about 50% of the people I work with when I would increase their calories a little bit. They just would get more energy and they'd feel better, but we wouldn't see weight gain. Now how do we turn that or get that to go into muscle? You have a great, effective, appropriate strength training routine. If we put you on a really, really good strength training routine, then you're sending this muscle-building signal so your body wants to build muscle.

It's got extra calories now and it'll, it's likely that it'll so your body wants to build muscle. It's got extra calories now and It'll it's likely that'll take those extra calories and build muscle which then will of course speed up the metabolism even more Which then will lead to your ability to add even more calories from that point. Does that kind of make sense? Yeah, yeah, I just wasn't sure if I needed to like get myself all the way up to like 2500 maintenance and then I would start seeing the results of the muscle building. Oh, I see. No, you'll start seeing results before that. Although I think that's a good goal is to try and get yourself up to.

Yeah. I mean, I think that's a good goal. Well, go ahead. And that's sort of my following into my next question is, which I know you guys get this all a fucking time. But is fixing them a capitalism? Always the first thing that you should do. Cause I have like 50 pounds to lose.

I just had my third baby like seven months ago. So I can, you know, it's time I can start doing some training. But it's like the mental thing is so hard. I know you guys know that getting from the idea of not cutting right away. So is there never really a case to like cut right away so that I feel like better about myself and then reverse diet once I've leaned out?

First of all, we should address that. So you don't have a broken metabolism, right? I think your metabolism has adapted to what you've been doing. So it's not broken. Right. And is there a case where we have somebody or client where I go right into a cut who wants to lose by that sometimes, but it's more rare because this is what ends up happening many times. This most people have tried before they get to

one of us normally, like when we were trainers, they had tried to diet and exercise themselves for months or years before they got to us, before they got frustrated enough to say, hey, I need to hire a professional and help. So I would say nine times out of 10, I'm almost always reverse dieting, a client, even when they, so I'm always adding calories to start their programming off, even if their goal is to lose 30, 40, 50 pounds. And it's not because they have broken metabolism. It's just just for an extended period of time, they've been in this very low calorie diet, and many times have yo-yo dieted,

and tried exercise, and many times the exercise that they would go after would be this high intensity, aerobic type of training, which is just again, sending a signal to that metabolism to slow down. So it's not that, you know, we don't have cases where we cut calories and it's not that you have a broken metabolism. It's just that the case normally is that people have tried to do this on their own the way they've done it on their own is restricting calories moving like crazy, IE cardio.

And then we get ahold of them and it's like, okay, you're at 1400 calories and you've got 30, 40 pounds of lose. I know that I can't, I can't cut you from there. Like you're already lower than I want. You're already lower than where I want you to be at the end of my, my, my help. So the inevitable is to yeah, absolutely reverse diet. Yeah.

And remember, we're looking long term. So we're trying to create, because you know, this is, this is very true. Losing weight is not hard. It's actually quite easy. The hard part is keeping it off. Everybody's lost weight before. I mean, millions of people do it every year. It's the keeping the weight off that is the challenge. And so we focus so much time and energy on losing weight, which is dumb. Because if you look at the statistics, people who try to lose weight, majority of them are successful at some point, to some extent, but the majority of them are fail

at keeping it off long-term. So why are we focusing so much energy on the weight loss? Why not focus the energy on how can I set myself up so that this is something that is sustainable? Now is it sustainable to go from 14-hundred calories and 900 calories to try to lose 30 pounds Probably not. I mean listen when you nine her calories for the rest of your life That's that's a tough position to be in you said you had a seven-month-old. Are you still breastfeeding?

No, I just read okay, so good that's that because that that can make things a little bit more Challenging and then here's the other part you wrote this in your question and you you know This is the part that you wrote down that you didn't necessarily say, but you kind of hinted to this is that There's this mental aspect like you're ready to lose weight and you're like, okay, I got a reverse diet and build up and it's gonna take longer and you know I kind of you know, maybe you feel bad about yourself or you're maybe a little impatient like I want to get this going Here's the trick. Here's the key to that Here's the trick, here's the key to that. Don't focus on the weight loss, focus on all the other positives that you get from slowly increasing your calories and introducing appropriate exercise. Focus on all the other benefits.

So you may not see the scale move down real quick at first. Remember, it's kind of a snowball effect, right? If you do this right. But what you will notice is your stronger, your energy is improving, which is probably something that you're gonna enjoy quite a bit considering you have a seven month old. So you probably have gone through with your good, not that great energy.

So it's like, oh my God, I got way more energy. Oh my God, I'm feeling much stronger. My hormones are starting to feel like they're balanced again. My libido's kind of coming back. My sleep is better. My joints feel better. Wow, I'm really enjoying my workouts. And then focus on those things and you'll see all the positives

that are happening right out the gate. So it's easier to deal with. If you just focus on the weight, well, yeah, that can be real frustrating. And what'll happen is you'll ignore, or not pay attention to, or give value to all those other incredible things that happen in the very beginning.

And then of course, eventually, the weight loss starts to happen. And then it's a snowball effect. It happens faster and faster and faster. And if you do this right, Shannon, it'll feel effortless. What I mean by that is, as the weight starts to come off your body, as you start to burn body fat, clients will tell me it's all the time. They'd say, this feels really weird.

Like I'm doing weight less than before. I'm just getting leaner. This is really crazy. And it's really crazy to than before. I'm just getting leaner. This is really crazy. And it's really crazy to them because they've never experienced what it feels like to have your body working with you versus against you. So consider all that while you're doing this

because what you don't wanna do, I'm sure you don't wanna do this, right? Where you lose 50 pounds and then you keep it off for six months, then you gain it back and then you lose it again, then you gain it back and then over time you end up, it becomes more and more challenging over time. Like let's do this the right way. It might initially take a little bit longer, but at the end of this you'll feel amazing

and it'll be much more sustainable. So that's the message that we're really trying to appreciate. And what's your training look like right now? So I'm actually doing anabolic. I'm kind of oscillating between days that I can get to the actual gym where there's barbells. So I use the at home program and just the regular one too, just depending on kind of like what I have going on. Yeah, okay, perfect. Yeah, you're set. Stick to that.

That's it. Yeah. Thank you. Those are good reminders. It's like, I gained like 60 pounds with each kid, and I've lost each time, but this time I'm like, okay, I want to like do it right. And so thank you guys. I really appreciate the reminders that to trust the process.

No problem. And congratulations on the third baby. That's amazing. Thank you. I'm done. Thank you, process. No problem. And congratulations on the third baby. That's amazing. Thank you. I'm done. Thank you, Shannon. Thank you, Shannon. All right.

Thank you. Bye. Yeah. It's like, boy, I use this analogy all the time, but it's like, you're like, I want to build a house. And then, you know, the guys are like, doing the foundation. Like, no, no, stop doing that. I want to see the house tomorrow.

So like, OK, no foundation. We'll just put up see the house tomorrow. So like, okay, no foundation. We'll just put up some wood and some sheet rock and here's your house and then, you know, a storm comes by and your house is gone. So it's like, you got it. If you build the foundation right, you're gonna have a lasting, a long lasting structure.

If you don't, it's gonna, you know, any storm's gonna come by and blow it right down. Yeah, we just could get back to that delayed gratification. It's the work itself is, you know, what's gonna carry you in, you know, to do it right, you have the opportunity right now to do it the right way, which, you know, is gonna be able to, you're gonna experience a whole new level of fitness that way versus getting immediate results

where it's like, I lost weight and it feels great, but now you're in that trap of that hamster wheel But now it's gonna come back now. I got a hustle to get off and it's gonna come back And so why not just pull yourself out of that and you know really dedicate yourself to the right way It's the mental aspect man. That's so hard here always yeah always I mean and I I totally get it like Imagine you know struggling with weight loss having 30 to 50 pounds that you want to lose You just want to go on. Yeah, and someone telling you to eat more sounds counterintuitive.

So it flies right in the face of what you've been marketed to. It seems illogical. Yeah, it totally seems illogical. So of course, that's going to be difficult. And then having for bed, the scale actually goes up a little bit, you know, which is very possible. I know you said that, you know, a lot of people stay the same or end up losing, which if you do a good job of adding just the right amount of calories, you should see what you're saying. But it's not that it's not bad either if you go up three to five

pounds. No, that that that happens from extra water. That's right. Yeah. And, and, you know, maybe you have a great, you have great genetics with, with building muscle, maybe you have a hard time losing body fat, but you put on muscle really well. And so your body adapts and you add three to five pounds on the scale, but you've added some good muscle and you've sped up your, your, your metabolism. That's a very good place to be in. So yeah, it's a bit of a mind-fuck when you're struggling to lose weight, but when you get somebody who's at 1,400 calories, I don't care how much you got to lose, whether

it's 10 pounds or 100 pounds. Not a good place to be. Yeah, I mean, I know right away that I've got to get this person's calories up because it's just not a sustainable place. In order for us to lose, we have to create that deficit. And it's just not likely the amount of activity or the amount of calories that we'll have to restrict. Is it going to be something they can maintain for us to lose, we have to create that deficit. And it's just not likely the amount of activity or the amount of calories that we'll have to restrict is gonna be something they can maintain for a long time.

One of the biggest problems with this scenario is this attitude right here. You know what, I'm just gonna lose it, and then I'll worry about keeping it off later. You know, it's like, that never works. It's, you are, forget that, you're not gonna keep it off later. It's just not gonna happen.

So, you know, thinking about how I'm gonna fix it afterwards, you've already ruined it by going through this process the way you did, and you can't fix it afterwards. It doesn't work that way. Our next color is Daniel from Texas. Daniel, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, I'm really excited to talk to you this morning.

I guess, I'll give you a little background just to to so my question made sense. Almost 40, I've been lifting for about four years, really just sorted through lifting myself, had no formal training, tried to sort through the industry information, which was tough at best. And when COVID hit, stopped actually lifting and started picking basketball up at an athletic background. So a bunch of us were playing through that. And I started straining my calf, both of them actually pretty bad. So I took a break as everything opened back up and started another weight training program.

Someone pointing me to you guys, after listening to you for about a month, I bought your programs and started anabolic. And I actually saw a really, really good success through it. I tried to play basketball halfway through and pulled my, my calf again. So I stopped all together, but I ran the full program. I saw a great success. I went from 17% body fat down to nine,

added about eight pounds of muscle. Wow. That's great. So really, really thankful for you guys. I know I'm a walking billboard. If you guys are around here, I've got a lot of friends and family that have started your programs.

But I started performance and I thought I'd address some of my mobility issues. I did it in my shoulder and in my back, used prime for that and fixed it. So I thought I was doing some of my my mobility issues. I did it in my shoulder and in my back I'm used prom for that and fixed it so I thought I was doing some things for my my calf But I went to play again two weeks into performance and I strained it again So I sin in this question because I heard Adam say if he was gonna play basketball He would he would design something so he wouldn't get hurt And I really wanted to see what you guys would say if there's anything I can do

Or if I as I'm approaching 40 I just got to hang out my basketball shirt Adam just rubbed Ben Gale over his calves now stupid No, this one this one's so close to home for me, right? So uh Yeah, and honestly, okay, so performance is good for like general performance and It's good for working on mobility, the things that you've addressed. But when you start dealing with like calves or like a keely stuff, that I, I mean, I tore my Achilles playing basketball for this exact reason because there's a difference between

working on your ankle mobility and then actually working on like explosive drills and strength with your, with your ankles, which performance isn't very specific to that. So, although I would run a program like performance, I would definitely have some modifications for basketball stuff. And you know who's got really good stuff and why is his Instagram going to slip me right now? Cory Slesinger's Instagram name Justin, do you know what it is?

So I don't know, do you follow Corey? Have you heard me talk about? Shelf strength, I think. Yeah, like, slash. I'll have, so you got it, don't you Andrew? Okay, so I'll make sure that Andrew puts it in the show notes or he'll pop it up. So when you watch this, you'll actually see it. It is slash strength.

S-S-C-H-L-E-S-S. He's a good friend of ours and he's the strength and conditioning coach for the Phoenix Sons and he actually also tore his Achilles and then he he he show you'll have to go further back on his Instagram to see some of this, but he posted a lot of really good rehab stuff for ankle strength and Achilles like reactive training that that stuff is what I would need because I've had calf and Achilles issues with and a lot of that I think has to do with the muscle that I had built. So like you I went on this like muscle building kick you know so I when I played basketball I weighed more like 180 why walk around 230 now okay and

even when I'm in like lean shape, I'm 215 to 20, which is way different than what my explosive basketball self is used to. That's the one drawback of actually put packing on a bunch of muscle is if you haven't trained athletically with all that muscle, then this is where you get these kind of issues with like strains in the calves or in my case tearing the Achilles. You've got all this power that you've built but not the same type of power that translates into sports.

So make sure you check out his stuff. Also another person, I know I'm plugging other people than ourselves, but to be honest, I don't think we have written anything that really addresses this is our good friend, Paul Fabritz at PJF Performance who has a bunch of training programs. I literally would take from those guys if I were to build a kind of a basketball training

routine for myself to get myself back into shape. Yeah, really it amounts to that speed power. And there's just like brief elements of that. And I think it's phase four or phase three of performance, but really like plyometrics and getting your calves condition for that type of fast twitch response and that kind of demand and force generation there. That's what you need to start scaling and being able to work on improving.

And those are great examples that Adams was mentioning. They have like certain trails where they actually use assisted band where you actually hold onto a band and you start working on that time of keeping your feet on the ground and explosively jumping and bounding up. So there's lots of like sports-specific type technique for this type of training that you really need to dive into that part of it.

Meanwhile getting that type of real foot strength from your barbell training as well. Yeah. Big rule of thumb here, Daniel, is that performance is quite specific in terms of how you train that is where you'll get most of the performance So if it's strength although strength has a lot of carryover most of the gains and strength will be to similar movements Similar speed that kind of stuff, right? So if you're playing basketball it's much more explosive reactive and You're not doing any of that in your training It you'll get some carryover from strength training mobility, but not a whole lot.

So you wanna do things where you're practicing some maybe controlled jumping, lateral bounding, jump rope, can even help a little bit for short, you know, bouts. Basically you wanna practice the stuff that you'll be doing in basketball, just to get your body acclimated and get the reactive strength, the stability to be where you want it so that when you go play basketball, you don't experience what you've been experiencing. Yeah, toe squats, I mean, using the sled for sprinting, things like that where you can

be a little more explosive on your forefoot. So being able to strengthen your feet is is gonna be everything which will then help translate up the kinetic chain and get your calves conditioned as well. Definitely dive through all the guys stuff that I just recommend. They got all kinds of really good stuff related to what we're talking about. I know at one point we've talked about getting more specific

with like performance and addressing specific athletes, but I would take the base of performance and then I would add in some other drills that I would pluck from our two friends who I think have got. Start slow though. You don't want to do is do like a whole workout where you're simulating basketball

because you'll just strain your calf again. So I would do like a few, like a couple sets and slowly progress yourself, just like you would with any other, or even just a couple specific exercises, just adding that into the routine, right? Just doing couple of these these exercises that Cory is doing on his Instagram I think would be extremely valuable to you and just building it up but I mean it's crazy how um and I know what it's like I'm sure because you you have an athletic background um and I didn't I really didn't feel this till north of 35. Up into 35, I really felt like I could be cold,

haven't played basketball in forever, grab a ball, just a couple of weeks of playing ball, I would be adapted and ready to go. But man, after 35, and you know, a little bit of that is I think just getting older and not doing a lot of these movements, I also think that it didn't help, that I had built a ton of muscle since my early

30s. So all those things are kind of working against you and I as we age. And now it's just it's necessary. Like if I'm going to go play basketball or else I'm doing exactly what you're feeling. I'm feeling strains in my calves. I'm potentially tearing my Achilles. I rolled level three sprains and both ankles. I mean, I'm of the disaster after 35 when it came to playing basketball And it's because I neglected this shit Adam was that second group PJ a f performance PJ f PJ at Paul Faberitz He's like my opinion one of the most elite NBA Basketball coaches and he puts out tremendous amount of free content that is incredible.

Awesome, awesome, that's a great guys. I really appreciate it. I love your programs, love everything you're doing, really, really helpful. Thanks Daniel. Thanks Daniel. There you go. Yeah, you know what it is as you age, it's your body's ability to adapt in the positive, slows down, but your body's ability to adapt in the positive slows down but your body's ability to adapt in the negative speeds up. So it's like, if you miss a bunch of workouts in your 20s, you lose some strength and some mobility and some stability, but not super fast.

When you're 50, whoa, it goes away. So I mean, I remember when I would train people over the age of 60 and they miss a month of working out, it was like they stopped working out for six months. So you just, you adapt in the negative so fast. And so if you don't play basketball for a year when you're 20, it's not that big of a deal. You don't play basketball for a year when you're 40.

And it's like you gotta really prep and get yourself back to that skill, because everything you're trained is, I mean, every movement is a skill that you practice. Most of the gains you make in whatever skill are pretty skill specific. So even though you're working out in the gym all the time, if you stop doing these specific sports or athletic and, you know, endeavors, you've got to get yourself back to them before you jump right in. Yeah, I think that when you're younger, you don't realize what kind of demand,

like a sport like basketball puts on your body because you're so resilient. And as you age, it's ever more evident. Like strength is something you can keep and maintain relatively proficiently and also like muscle, but like in terms of explosive strength that's letticism, you have to do so many extra movements and make sure that you're reinforcing your joints, your ligaments, all these things like

before you just jump right back in because your body just really needs to get conditioned back in that type of explosive demand. Well, I also, I don't think that I realized what a difference the weight was going to make because I was in this guy, right? I was like, eight, nine percent, I was jacked. How much more weight were you carrying?

How much more weight were you carrying? Yeah, but I'm carrying 20, 30 more pounds. Yeah, of course, like hindsight looking back, but I think that when you're a fit person like this and you have an athletic background, you think your thought process is like, oh, I'll just kind of take, and this was mine. I'll get back, and I used to have like this,

the way I used to get back into basketball was who I played basketball with, right? So I knew at certain times of the day, like average played guys would play this time. Right, so all the old guys were pot-bellied. Yeah, yeah, so I went out. And then like, if you wanted with the ballers, Saturday morning, at like eight o'clock in the morning,

you know, that's when all the collegiate guys come in. And like, so I would work my way there. Yeah Yeah, so I would work my way that was my way of kind of getting ready, but it didn't matter even though I was playing way easier My body still when it was goes to go for a rebound or make a cut left or right It remembers what I did my entire childhood to move like that But now I'm moving 20 to 30 pounds more. And I haven't trained that new weight of mine explosively. And it would be my ankles, calves, knees, and so on.

Well, you're also the decelerating part. Yes. Yes. Because you're strolling that. So maybe you are stronger in certain movements, and maybe you're overdoing the force, but you can't, you know, like slow. You're so powerful. If you gain 20 pounds of muscle through controlled strength training,

most of that muscle is gonna be good at controlled strength training. If you don't train it explosively, you just have a bunch of strong but not explosive body weight, then you go to try to explode, and that muscle hasn't been training that way, so it just becomes a liability. Well, and I don't think I realized how I could do it to myself. Like, you know, of course, you think as you get older,

you're more prone to injury, but you still think of like somebody injuring you or you doing something stupid. I blew my Achilles. I had just laid the ball up, made the bucket, and then the guys, the guys were going the opposite direction. I turned and took off to go back the other direction and just that the deceleration, like you're saying, Justin, down from the layup and the jump to the explosive, go the opposite direction. And I literally thought that the guy behind me stepped on my, it felt like he stepped

on my Achilles or intentionally hurt me. And when I looked back, there was nobody there. It was all by myself. But that's what it was just that was the pop. But it was all alone, you know, it was all alone. And I wasn't doing anything crazy. It was literally a layup coming down and then turning and then going back up the court the other direction.

I brought all the ups of that. That's right. Our next color is Mancue from Canada. Mancue, how can we help you? Hi, okay, I'm super excited to be here, but basically I'll just get right into it. So basically I just started a new job. I'm a uni as a personal trainer and like my clients have made me just been like faculty members and students.

So I've noticed most of them kind of have like come with like extremely like stiff hips like rounded shoulders and often you're just unable to do like really basic things like squat, super parallel, like comfortably or like both their arms up overhead without any compensation. So as a result of that, I've just kind of been doing a little more like turning corporate and a little more mobility work, but in the session that we have, so that's often like 10 to 3 minutes at the very beginning. Like of our sessions like twice a week, however, I've just kind of started to notice that most people just aren't as excited about mobility as all the other stuff and they're often chasing this part. Like, you know, like, cool stuff or the bumpy birdy sensations, which, you know, are dead

that that's not really what I really want to be working on with them right now. So my kind of question is, like, is there like a best way to implement mobility and acclides workouts? Just like, for example, like, when, like, do I do it before a session, like in between breaks, how often are there like just any ways to make them feel more engaged and excited about mobility in general? I really like this question because for most of my career,

what I train trainers and one of the hardest things for them to do was to balance this, what the client needs and what the client wants, right? Because there is a part of your job, your service based, right? So they're paying for a service from you. And many times they think they know what's best for them and they're going to tell you what they want. And then you know as a coach and a trainer, what's best.

And so there is this little dance that you have to do. Now as you get more and more experienced, I think you get better at communicating what they need to do and better at convincing them to basically follow what you say. But when you're kind of just getting started, this is a major hurdle. And so I understand a little bit of chance.

Do you have any of our programs right now? Do you have maps performance? I don't actually know. Okay, so like maps performance to me would be a must for you. I think having prime pro would be a must. Because there's ways that you can build some of these movements that you know that they need into their routine without making like the whole Day like a mobility day where they're doing more like corrective type of work and they feel bored

So I I would pull from our maps prime pro program and then I would also utilize the the techniques that we have in our Maps performance program, but this is a super common challenge that new trainers have. And part of that is you getting better at communicating to them what they need. That's everything. Look, I'll tell you what, Matthew. You are talking about the most important skill that a coach or trainer will have

is getting the person to understand, to trust you. Okay, that's the most important thing because, you know, Adam said, you know, balancing what the client wants versus what they need, they don't know what they want. That's just the truth. They think they know what they want, but they don't know what they want because they're unconsciously incompetent when it comes to fitness. That's why they're hiring you. So your confidence and your excitement is what they're going to read. Now, if you're not confident, I've seen trainers do this. Like, well, okay, but I think we should do it. Like, of course, the client's not going to listen to you.

I didn't have this problem. I probably a year into my train. Now, the first year I did because my confidence wasn't super great. When clients would say, I just want to do this and I just want to do that. And I thought, okay, well, they're paying me. I should do what they say later on. I became much more confident and they just followed. And that's the goal. that's where you wanna be.

You wanna get to the point where you're confident, you explain what's gonna happen. Here's where we're gonna do it this way. Oh, you just want to feel a burn in your arms. Well, you don't need to hire me then. Go get a soup can, go lift your arm up 50 times by yourself and you can save some money. Oh wait, you wanna get in shape?

Then do what I tell you. Listen, trust me this one time and I'll never have to ask for your trust again. That's the kind of confidence that you want to get in shape? Then do what I tell you. Listen, trust me this one time, and I'll never have to ask for your trust again. That's the kind of confidence that you need to display as a trainer. And believe me, these people want that. They want to hire a trainer and the trainer to say, listen to me, I know what I'm talking about,

follow me and I'll get you there. And the person's be like, you know what? I'm letting go because I totally want that. I have no idea what's going on. I've tried doing this before and it just doesn't work. So work on your confidence in your excitement because that's what they feed off of. They'll feed off of that.

I've gotten people to get excited about things that you wouldn't think people will get excited about because I'm excited about. I get 90, 90 on the ground. Like most people be like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to run in circles and do jumping jacks and burpees. No, no, no, they would feed off of my excitement and I would make it intense and I would communicate what's happening to do that. I don't want to run in circles and do jumping jacks and burpees. No, no, no, no. They would feed off of my excitement

and I would make it intense and I would communicate what's happening to their body and I would point things out to them that they may not normally identify. Did you see that we got your ankle to move up five more inches? How does your back feel? This is what's gonna work for your body.

This is why these communication skills are by far the most important thing that you can have as a good coach or trainer because they have to follow you as their guide. That's ultimately what's going to dictate how long have you been listening to this show for, man? You I'm two and a half years now. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. Two and a half years you've been fucking listening to us talk and you haven't bought maps performance or maps prime pro or maps prime yet and you're a trainer. She's a call of shaman. No, I know, I know. I don't give you that.

It's fucking less than a gas of tank, bro. Come on, don't give me that excuse. That's, okay, shame on you. Shame on you. Seriously, like this, you trainers, the ones I get most frustrated with, that haven't made the investment in yourself to learn this stuff.

If you look at the way our programs are written, they're written for coaches and trainers to learn. So it's not just to help people out with this stuff. If you go through it, you will at the way our programs are written, they're written for coaches and trainers to learn. So it's not just to help people out with this stuff. If you go through it, you will get the resources and the tools. Now look, you're talking to us right now, so we're gonna hook you up for free, but shame on you.

Two and a half years of listening to this podcast. Almost for free. You just have to get shamed a little bit. Yeah, no, I'm gonna, I am gonna, I am gonna fucking shame you right now. Because it's like this is, you, your question you have is a very good question. It's very valid. But the very common. It's very common. But the fact that you haven't

taken a step to invest in any or how about this? Watch our free webinars that we have. We have a free webinar. Okay, you've at least done that. Okay. Thank God. Thank God you've done less shame. Less shame. Still shame. But God damn it. I mean, use the resources that we're providing you guys to implement it in with your clients. So I'm convinced this is the most value trainers even provide. I mean, like Sal said, like you could just rip something off the internet to make you sweat and burn.

That's the easiest part of our job. What they need to be convinced of is that you have their back. Whenever you're considering all their joints function, you're considering pain in the future, you're drawing up this elaborate plan to get them success long term, not just short term success. So it really just amounts to the amount of communication back and forth of your client constantly educating them as the why, the why you're doing everything, why this is setting you up for the next phase, where you're gonna take them from there.

So I'm always communicating with them and painting a picture and a vision of where I'm driving the ship. So this is just part of us, it's just a piece in the formula of success for this client, so is just part of that. It's just a piece in, you know, in the formula of success for this client, so they need to do it. You know, the mundane is what's the hardest for them to do, and that's why you hired me.

Yeah, man, keep thinking about this way, okay? Imagine if you're about to go through a dense jungle, you've never been through it before, and you hire a guide, and you tell the guide, I wanna go that way, because I think that's the fastest. And they go, you're crazy, you're gonna die and alligators need you. Follow me, I've been through this jungle a million times.

I know where I'm going. What are you gonna do? You're gonna be like, you know what, this person, they're really confident. I'm gonna follow this guy because they know what they're doing. Now, what if the guy said, well, I mean, we can go that way, I guess, or we can go, you know, and you're gonna be like, okay, well,

I'll tell you what to do then. And then you, because I'm in charge now. It doesn't work that way. You're the trainer, your confidence in how you communicate is everything. So they come and they say they want to do, and you're gonna say to them, okay, cool, that's, I know that's what you want to do.

We're gonna do it this way, because I'm gonna get you there better, faster, and more permanent. Are you ready for this? And the person's gonna be like, oh my God, I'm so happy. I hired a trainer that knows what they're doing. Yes, tell me what to do. That's what people want. But if you don't have that confidence,

you're gonna get run over, and then you're gonna get a bunch of, just order, you're just gonna be an order taker, in which case you don't need to be a trainer to do that. And certainly back to something that you said, Sal, that I think is really important. And I'm gonna give you a real generic, easy thing you can do, because you made a comment about clients

which are very common that can't do basic movements like squat all the way down to 90 degrees. You take a client, one of these clients that can like squat all the way down to 90 degrees. You take a client, one of these clients that can't squat all the way down to 90 degrees, you do a couple of four to five sets of some really intense, good 90 90s and then some combat stretch and show them. Oh yeah.

Literally, you can change the way they move in fucking five minutes. If you take a person and show, video it, if you need to or take a picture of what they look like. They're sold. And then go watch what I'm gonna do to you right now. And then spend five minutes doing 90, 90s intensely, and then five minutes doing combat stretch,

then take them right back to that body weight squat, and video them and show them, look at how you were just moving before, and after this is one time I'm spending with you doing this, imagine what happens when we start to build a routine around this, so you gotta use those tools like that to convince them to have trust and faith and that you know where you're going

and then to Salis Point again, it really does stem from your confidence and your ability to help them like that. And part of that comes with you also learning and educating yourself and, you know, of course, going through the programs that I told you. So get your ass through those. Man, thank you.

We're gonna send you those two programs just cause you took that meeting from Adam. So, thank you so much for calling in, okay? Okay, I just before we end, like I'm like totally shame on me for not, like not getting any other programs, but I just wanna say, like, I've been listening to you me for not like not getting any of the programs, but I just want to say like I've been listening to you guys for like two years and it's just really just transformed the way that I kind of like Think about health and fitness and like how I really like how just kind of started reprioritizing like it's watching my life

And that's just like that's what I kind of want to do for other people's not all I know I know I know I know like totally should be gotten programs in second place I'm know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, It comes from a place of love. You are on the front line and it does mean a lot to us. You guys are really the ones that we know if we help you, you have the potential to go help hundreds. And real ways. That's right. So it's cool for us to help some people out there that buy our programs, so with that,

but the trainers and coaches, man, if I can make an impact on you, I can 10x see how people can help. So that's, it does come from that place. I appreciate your support, man. Thank you. Thanks for calling. Thank you so much.

Thank you. All right. Dog, did I, I didn't make her cry? Did she cry? Oh, okay. I think she was trying to. I just get, I get so frustrated. Of course.

Of course. Of course. You know, well, I mean, we, listen, man, I wish I had these tools when I first became a trainer. I really do. They didn't exist. You had to kind of figure this out yourself or find a good mentor. So we put the stuff out there.

You know what we think about? This is just for the audience. Whenever we put out a program, the first people we think about are the trainers. That's true. Now we know we're writing it for the general population, but we think of coaches and trainers because that's our integrity.

That's what we are. But this struggle, I mean, I remember having this struggle, and there were some clients that were harder than others to get to trust you. I remember specifically one guy, he was the biggest pain in the ass of all time. I hope he's listening. I know who he is. I ended up training him for a while. But initially, he was the biggest pain in the ass ass and he would argue with me with every workout.

But I just wanna do this, but Sal, I just, finally, I'll never forget, he told me one day and he goes, it literally calls me on his way to our session as he's late, he's like 10 minutes late, and he says, listen, Sal, just this one time, I'm paying you, just kick my ass. That's what I'm asking for, just give me one session

like that, I said, okay. And he showed up and I made him throw up. And I said, here's your workout. Is that in 15 minutes later, he's out puking. And that was our session. I said, do you think that was valuable? Do you think you got great results from that? And he's like, no, man, I think you're right.

And I said, yeah, bro, you just wasted that session. Next time we're gonna do this the right way, but it's really tough. I can, I get that, but if you're confident, most people, when they hire a coach, they just wanna trust them. They just wanna be like, all right, you know what I'm doing. Well, here's the thing, we've put so much work

in trying to, you know, catapult these trainers, so really like, they're gonna bypass, like, decades of trial and error with their clients. Like, it's all there. And I think that's where the frustration is because if I had access to a way to look at it with a fresh trainer mind where I'm like, oh wow, I should be applying these concepts

like right now, that's the thing. Because if I'm not, then I'm just gonna keep doing the same things over and over again. I'm gonna let the client dictate what the session's gonna entail. And the thing is, you do have to get educated. You do have to go through that, but you don't have to keep stumbling your way to get there. The content is there and it's valuable.

That's exactly right, and it's not the buying the program that's going to make her the could coach. It's her taking the tools that are within the program and applying it to a person after person. Then she would have figured that out herself what we just suggested. We talked about the 99-in-the-combat stretch and then being able to impact someone's squat, but just buying the program doesn't give you that. Taking the program and then actually applying it to your clientele and then starting to see

these patterns like, oh shit. Anytime I do this mobility movement with someone, I notice their overhead press is amazing. Anytime I do this combat stretch, all of a sudden they get six more inches in their squat depth. Like, oh my goodness, you have to first go out, seek the information, the knowledge, and then you have to put it into practice. That's where the confidence comes from.

So it's really easy for us to sit over here in our chairs and be like be more confident But it's like be more confident means you have to get out there and apply some of these things that you're learning It starts with making the investment in yourself and learning right that's the part where I was ranting about Once you get that then you go take that knowledge, go apply it to people, and then this shit starts to unfold for you. Yeah, but you know how many times I've seen trainers do this stuff that they know they're supposed to do, but the trainer seems bored? Of course, the client's going to be bored. You know, it's like a lot of trainers, look, I love training people heavy and deadlifting.

And that was fun for me, but I made sure to dial up the fun act when I would do shit that I know that it for them is boring because they feed off that. If I'm bored with it and I'm not confident with it and I'm like, yeah, we gotta do this. I know it's been a mobility, it's suck. Like they're gonna think it sucks too. So that's a big part too. Our next caller is Jeff from Connecticut.

Jeff, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Wow, this is kind of surreal. Been a listener since episode like 500. So, back when we sucked. Thank you for all that. Thank you for all that.

Thank you for all that. So my question is kind of about that. Over the years, I feel like I've heard you guys give tons of great tangible advice on way, on different things you can do to incorporate into your workouts. Specifically, recently, there's been a big push for sled drives. I feel you guys talk about a lot, but also things like Indian Club and Baseball and stuff like that. So my question is, if I'm following a maps program,

and I want to follow it, you know, basically as close to a T as I can because I've seen good results, what's the best way to incorporate those different types of moves that I feel like you guys, you know, talk about the benefits of all the time? How long have you been following maps that I bought for? I've ran anabolic once. I'm in performance now.

And so I was, you know, based on like the next round back through, anabolic was thinking about trying to incorporate or modify silly. That's the way to do it. You know, this is a million dollar question. You know, there are with strength training, there's, I don't know, 5,000 different exercises and probably three different ways to do each one. So it's impossible to program everything into every program. However, Adam, I know we're Adam's leading.

It's like once you follow our programs to a T once or twice, you should have a decent grasp on how to modify for your body. So like you use the example of the sled. Where would you put the sled in Maps and Obolic? Well I would would on a day where you're going to do squats instead of squats, do sled that day and see what happens. You know, it's a leg exercise. That would be an easy way. May spell Indian clubs. How do you incorporate that? Well, maybe you start your before you get into your shoulder workout or before you get into your presses, you do a few rounds of May spell or Indian clubs, just kind of get your shoulders warmed up and stuff.

Turkish get ups, where would I put a Turkish get up? Very beginning of the workout. Start your workout with a few Turkish get ups, then get into your workout and see how it works. Or do it at the very end. And also depends on how you're using these type of unconventional lifts. Like are you actually trying to load and make it, you know, a strenuous exercise?

And that's something that I would actually, yeah, to Sal's point, we're replaced in exercise with that. Or you could use them as primers, which is something too that you figure that out. Your own specific needs and routine from our, our prime program where you go through the compass test, you figure out what zone you need to focus on the most. And so that's where a lot of times I'll pull. I needed more shoulder rotation. So I would do my Indian clubs as a primer before I knew I had heavy overhead lifts for that

day. So there's lots of different ways to uniquely incorporate these unconventional lifts. And they're very valuable. It just also revolves around the intent of them because you can load them and you can make them an actual strenuous type of nexercise, but now you're looking at having to replace. Yeah, there isn't a right or wrong answer per se in this because you can use this a bunch of different ways. How sour actually gave the example is exactly how I use all the things you listed. I literally love to do the sled.

So my favorite way to do sled when I'm running like an anabolic program is when I know I kind of overreach the last time I squatted. And I'm still kind of soaring. I'm like, oh man, I did more than I need to or I loaded more than I need to. So today I'm going to drive the sled. So I'm kind of giving my body a little bit of extra recovery because it's not as strenuous on it. And so I'm going to load it though. I'm going to load it and I'm going to drive it hard. So I'm going to get my body a little bit of extra recovery because it's not as strenuous on it. And so I'm gonna load it though.

I'm gonna load it and I'm gonna drive it hard. So I'm gonna get a great workout from it, but it's still nowhere near as demanding on the body as like a barbell back squat. So I love to replace that. And how I used to start to workouts and I got that from Justin is the mace. I love to do mace and Indian clubs

before I do any upper body movements. It's just a great primer for your shoulders and the shoulders are incorporated in back chest and obviously shoulder work. So when I go to do any upper body stuff, I love to prime that. And Turkish get ups, I actually, you guys didn't suggest this,

but I actually even like doing these on like trigger days or off days. It's good idea. Because it's not an exercise that you're gonna get like really sore in one specific area It's a a total body type of movement. It's like a communication exercise. Yes. I like this Yeah, I think it's a good way to describe it's more of like a communication thing And so I used to love the practice Turkish get-ups on a quote-unquote off day of like heavy loading and training and just

Work on my body's communication like to Justin's point and just work on my body's communication like to Justin's point. Gotcha, gotcha. So if I took this a step further and said, you know, like any type of, you know, exercise or, you know, any type of advice you guys give that, you know, I think recently talk about the elbow position for like biceps and triceps.

If I just, you know, take that and incorporate it where I would have done biceps in another You know in another workout and you know instead of doing just normal Barbell curls is like try like preacher curls or spider curls or something like that Yeah, totally and also when you do the higher volume workouts We we think we are that that'll be in there like if you did map split or aesthetic You're gonna see the different elbow positions with bicep and tricep exercise. But maps and a ball, it's a lower volume,

more basic kind of routine, which is more appropriate for most people most of time. Yeah, you could totally replace, instead of doing dumbbell curls to a preacher curl or a spider curl or something like that, for sure. That's actually part of why I asked you how many times you've ran anabolic and what you've done,

and it sounds like you've done anabolic performance is all the things you've listed, we've actually incorporated into the other programs. Like if you wanted like sled drives and stuff, I know you're gonna get some of that in like strong, if you wanted to do, the only thing I don't think we've included, have we done mason Indian clubs? No. That's the only thing we haven't done as mason.

No, but that's a great, I mean, those are great for the mobility days on performance. Yeah, but I mean Turkish kid ups, sled work, I mean, we despite great for the mobility days on performance. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, Turkish kid ups, sled work, I mean, we, we despite our corals, all those movements, those are, those have been built into every program. So you do get a, if you do go through other programs, you will get a chance to do that. And that's why we do it.

We do it. So if you run through all the programs, you get kind of a taste of all these different movements. And then hopefully our goal always is, whether you're a coach or you're just an average person going through all these programs is once you've gone through them you get this full grasp of okay I get what these guys are doing here and then you can do what you're trying to do right now which is hey I really like anabolic it fits my schedule well my body responds well to it but I also understand the value the guys say of all these other movements and so exactly what you suggested is a great way for you to

implement that in anabolic. All right cool that's That's awesome. Yeah. So I'll take that, you know, maybe swap some things out with some different movements, you know, get my hands on a sled and see where that goes. Hell yeah, man. Have fun with it. Thanks for calling in. Thanks guys. You got it. This is the fun part. If you listen to our show and you follow our programs, it's obviously it's's gonna be fun in the beginning because you're gonna see your body respond like it's never responded before. But it gets really fun when you start to learn how to listen

to your body and implement changes and individualize your own routine. This is when it gets really exciting because then you get to have some fun and individual. And nothing is our programs as good as they are. They're just not individualized. So when you get to the point when you run them once or twice, and then you start to tweak it for your specific body,

man, that's when things really get enjoyable. Not only that, I think this is also how you stay sane for decades, and decades of training. Keep it interesting. Yeah, I mean, not to say like you can't enjoy one of our programs and cycle through it, but at one point, it would only take what to get through all of them a couple of years, at best, right?

If that two years to get through, I don't know, I've never done the math, two years, two and a half years to get through all of them. Once you've kind of gone through all of them, like, you know, just to keep repeating them, would probably get really old after a few years of doing that. I would want to be able to play with it, modify

and take things that I learned from, you know, maps performance, take things I got from strong. And I mean, that's literally how I train right now. My training does not look like a specific maps program. I take our philosophy and I love to mix and match different movements that I'm interested in. Well, yeah. And this is really what led me into unconventional lifts in general was just trying to seek a bit of novelty and something there that was, could maybe fill the gap to some of the training habits that I had established already. And so like all those years of just foundational, you know, barbell training, it's like, you

know, to find certain lifts that had those certain elements. You can't get a lot of rotation, especially with the upper body. And so some of these that he'd mentioned were like such a huge fit for me that really unlocked even more potential. I could squeeze. So there's just like opportunity for that once you get through and create that base level of foundational strength. Yeah, no, and look, if you work out and you do it right,

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