Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1822: Wim Hof on How to Control Your Immune System With Breathwork

Episode Date: May 26, 2022

In this episode Sal, Adam & Justin speak with "The Iceman," Wim Hof about the tragedy that led to him devoting his life to teaching the therapeutic benefits of breathwork and cold therapy. The tragedy that sparked his drive and passion for his current work. (3:32) Inflammation is the cause and effect of EVERY disease! (13:01) Shaking the foundation of our medical understanding of what we as humans are capable of related to diseases. (14:55) What lead him to the cold water? (23:55) Healing your body through breathwork. (28:18) Breaking down the Wim Hof Method. (32:09) Why you don’t have to be skeptical if you have the truth. (36:30) The most challenging or dangerous stunt he has done. (40:12) Taking our anatomy back! (50:00) Is there a difference between withstanding the cold and the heat? (51:56) When was the last time he was sick? (57:07) De-traumatizing through breathwork. (58:56) Why we must learn to govern ourselves! (1:03:45) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** May Promotion: MAPS Starter Bundle and MAPS Spilt 50% off! **Promo code MAYSPECIAL at checkout** Voluntary activation of the sympathetic nervous system and attenuation of the innate immune response in humans Wim Hof Method Guided Breathing for Beginners (3 Rounds Slow Pace) Wim Hof - YouTube Burning man: Adventurer loses 14lbs as he completes marathon in 40C Nambia without touching a drop of water BBC One - Freeze the Fear with Wim Hof, Series 1, Episode 1 Extreme celeb reaction to breathing technique | Freeze the Fear with Wim Hof - BBC Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources Featured Guest/People Mentioned Wim Hof (@iceman_hof)  Instagram Alistair Overeem (@alistairovereem)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, very excited about today's episode. We interviewed Wim Hof. This guy is amazing.

Now he's a Dutch extreme athlete. He got his nickname, the Iceman, by breaking a number of records related to cold exposure. Using cold, hard nature as his teacher, his extensive training has enabled him to learn to control his breathing, heart rate, and blood circulation, and to withstand extreme temperatures. Here's some of the stuff that Wim Hof has done that has been documented.

He's climbed Mount Kilimanjaro in shorts. He's run a half marathon above the Arctic Circle barefoot. He swam underneath ice for 66 meters. He stood in a container while covered with ice cubes for more than 112 minutes. Now, this all sounds crazy, but over the years, scientists have subjected him to various experiments, with the goal of unraveling the secret behind his method. Here's the craziest one. In 2014, scientists injected Wim Hof with an endotoxin, and he showed he was able to control his sympathetic nervous system and immune response.

In other words, this endotoxin, which is all but guaranteed to cause a fever and a strong immune response, did nothing to Wim Hof. Now, they chalked it up to Wim having special and rare genetics. So here's what he did. He had some of his practitioners do the same exact experiments. And the results were remarkably the same. No fever and no immune response. Pretty remarkable stuff.

Now this episode, we talk to Wim about all that and much more. For example, a lot of people don't know this, but his wife committed suicide, and this is what drove him to discovering a lot of these training methods. It's also what drives him to bring this message to the world. He's a remarkable individual. He's hilarious, very entertaining. We know you're going to love this episode. Now this episode is brought to you by our sponsor, Paleo Valley. Paleo Valley makes some of the best paleo inspired supplements you'll find anywhere.

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We've all been in the health and wellness space for well over two decades. And it's like you came onto the scene and in a very short period of time had a very strong influence. And oftentimes when you find somebody like that, when you listen to their story or you go into their story, there was an event that really took them to the point where they just studied and obsessed and innovated and were able to discover things that had a true impact or a massive impact on

future generations and you have a story like that and if it's okay, I'd like to hear about that a little bit because I think that's it's an important part of Who you are you're so driven and you've had such like I said a huge impact But that all came from a Terrible moment a a travesty and if you don't mind it like to to hear about that a little bit and kind of how that got you to do what you do Yeah, sure of course If a mother kisses her kids at in the middle of the night and then jumps from eight stories down then we as humans are not able to understand what that terror must be.

That is a person who loves his children, but cannot bear the terror, which she had no control over in her head. That makes her decide I have to quit life. I cannot live in this body because something else is living there. So since then, brokened, no money and with all the love for my children and the love of my life gone, I was left behind. What do you got to do? You cannot think, you cannot element, you can't indulge, you just have to find ways to energetically be Papa and Mama to create a new nest, to have all the energy to take care of their sorrow, of their pain, of their daily life, of the daily life itself, which goes fast as a train, and if you don't let John, you lose it.

And there in that, those situations, you find solace, if you're only love enough, if you only have passion enough or enough purpose, you find ways which are in normal life not existent, because you are not driven as much, you are not passionate as much, and you don't need it. You are in this conditions lifestyle, and so on, okay, more or less. But then when the shit happens, we don't know what to do. And now, my wife, she was not able to be treated by the existence of psychiatry. And she took her life. Well she was a beautiful woman, lost her life, and then that in the hat happened.

And then we are able to go to the moon and to Mars, and we have all the technology, yet we have no control over our happiness, strength and health. And it all started from that most black, it all started from that most black, deepest black heavy entrenched situation in my mind. And I do find ways it's being broken or you're going to be stronger. And for that, I found the cold water. The cold water is where you don't think, where emotional acne suddenly has a moment of where it is able to stop, because you got to face the danger of the icy water. And that made me able to heal those in those moments. And I could feel it. Not think about it. I felt relief of this emotional agony, which is it's physical. And I brought it home as a person who had stillness.

It had a lot of energy because of, I see what it makes you have all the energy, it's all logic now, but back then I had no words. I had to do something. And then the breathing was able to bring me deep into myself and to process my trauma and deal with that. I can't come out. My wife, the strategy is still there, but we not only learned to live with it, all of us. Now we are helping tens of millions, probably hundreds

of millions of people, and I'm going to change the world. Why? Because I will bring autonomy, which is not in existence psychiatry, which is not in existence psychiatry, which is not in the hospital. It's not in the politics and our systems. Autonomy, given by Mother Nature itself, I found the keys. And I'm going to give them back to the rightful owners. And that means every person of the world.

And I will do that through podcasts like this, through BBC series, more series are coming, Hollywood film is coming, more science is coming, because where all this society is lacking in is that what makes us as humans who shoot the most beautiful thing, beautiful minds, beautiful creativity, the way we can build things so beautiful. But trauma, not solved. trauma not solved trauma not solved will make people like itla They kill six million Jews and now a rush it's happening with the Ukraine and then the Syria with it these children They are born in the world. I don't know even what pieces they cannot fit. Where is the sanity in the people? That a mother nature gave us,

the birthright and the tools to be happy, strong and healthy, and to be able to pass it on in our families, to our children and from there, war, goodbye, disease,, goodbye depression, goodbye. That's what this podcast is about. There is where I came from, from being helpless, and now I'm so powerful that I have through science gained wisdom that is not in the books, but we changed the books We bring the capacity the human capacity by birth right To be happy strong and healthy that means happy is hormones serotonin dopamine cannabinoids

Endorphins a power the power system is the adrenal axis, how to control that. We all showed that in science. And then they injected us with the bacteria, which in science, and let me tell you, I don't know your first time by the way. Oh, I'm I'm Sal. This is Adam and this is Justin Right on Just it just in Adam. Yeah, we find the cell the cell is the the the the salt that was a paying Medium in the times of the Romans We go back man, we go back, but we rise now and we say, hey, it's bloody ridiculous that we have a system where so many people still get sick, so many people

still get depressed. Where's the quality of life? We are able to maintain all that. We're going to shake up the foundations because it has to. This cannot go on. We have seen COVID last two and a half years. How helpless, how crazy these restrictions for what? In 2014, we showed how to bring down For what? In 2014, we showed how to bring down inflammation. Inflammation is the cause and effect of ever-reduzise. And of course, they did not take the even scientific evidence, scientific evidence that inflammation for the first time, showing drastically to go down within 15 minutes that should have shaken up all the medical world but it is so entrenched in that people become sick

they become dependent and you can make your money it's a sick system and we got to shake this up it's like a bad full of dust you got to shake it up you're just we got to shake this up. It's like a bad full of dust. You got to shake it up. You're just, we got to refresh it. The people in power of wisdom or knowledge, they have no natural real wisdom. Because we are all equipped. All of us, the elders should be equipped with the knowledge to bring our youngsters all into the light. It's darkness now and it's confusion and it's heavy and it's not nice. So here we are. This is my story. I came from being helpless and now through the science, through doing all kinds of physiological, so-called, impossible

feats, I just say, but what I can do, anybody can do. You just gotta go look for it. You gotta go and step out of the comfort zone behavior to get out of this conditioning. And then you see, we got so much more solutions. And that's what we, the professors and doctors in the hospitals will not do it. We have to do it. When talk a little more about the skeptics

and when they injected you with the bacteria, and then even after you overcame it, that they did that with what I think it was 12 of your subjects. So tell us a little bit more about that story because I think that's so fascinating. So and they tripled it now, there's a new study, they tripled the amount of people and the same great results. So until 2014, it was not considered to be controllable at will by humans to control the autonomic nervous system. That is the parasymp the action and peace. That those paddles, the break and the gas in our body

was considered to be incontrollable at will by human will. And then suddenly, because we cannot, we cannot control the immune system, because they are related to the autonomic processes in the body. But if you have control over the gas and the brake in the body, that's the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system,

then suddenly you are able to activate deeply the immune system. And then of course I didn't believe it, but they tried it on me first. And then they saw me doing something which 16,000 people could not, that receiving an injection with the bacteria, making people, 16,000 people sick, all of them, all of them, and then I came and I absolutely not sick. So then they said, but you are the iceman, only you can do that. I said, no, no, no, no, I trained. I went out of my conditioning. I went out of the comfort zone and I activated deeper systems within me. More than we are schooled in our modern society. That's all I did. And I can train it to show it to anybody. First, of course, they did not believe that, but I kept on talking about it, and then they were convinced to do a comparative study with 24 people, 12 people who were not doing the training of four days and the others they did the training

for four days. So 12 people did the training and 12 people did not. And the 12, after 16,134 people all becoming sick, suddenly 12 people, absolutely. After the injection did not become sick at all. And then they looked inside the blood, where normally when you become sick, you see a lot of inflammatory markers. Those are cytokines that are responsible for making you full of fever, nausea, headaches

in that endotoxine experiment. But now, 12 of them, they saw in the blood, the inflammatory markets, the inflammation, the cause of the disease, was not there or drastically down within 10 minutes. And that they never had seen. It was that is where we shook the foundation of our medical understanding of what we as humans are capable of and related to disease. Disease is inflammation. Oh, all these diseases. The question is, can we bring it down

with natural methods? And I say, and science is saying, yes, 100%, yes, that it will be taking time to be implemented in the world in global health care is because of this. That it will take, oh, it's not there, oh, they will shove it away because she don't want to lose your clients if you make money of them. It is a sick system. So, doing that, showing that experiment, that research published in the best of scientific papers in the world, and it's now commonly known in the world. But it is not being spread through the

governments because they are all into the money. Money, sick, sickening, our dependent on people being sick, being dependent on them. It's like a sick wheel that has to stop because where was their power against COVID? Nothing. They can do nothing. They can have us wear masks that are filtering our breathing inside with CO2. And one half meter distance is isolation of natural behavior. To touch each other is, we are social beings.

Our hormones, oxytocin, is dependent on catching each other. That is neurology, energy, by which we flow inside. They completely neglected science and they came up with absurd kinds of regulations and restrictions while we showed in 2014 to bring down inflammation. COVID causes inflammation in the body. They should have taken on these breathing methods and go into the cold and talking about it, but they didn't because of this, because of power. And that's why we are in, but I tell you, Cell, we are winning. We are getting to the common

sense of people now that we actually need to go back to Mother Nature, not the government. We need to learn to govern ourselves. And therein we can't change our neurology and become aware that we are actually in control over the hormonal system, immune system, all the systems inside. It's nothing more than logic that we are, that way built from our birth. And now we are bringing it to the people. And yes, that's what we do.

That's where I came from. And now I can talk just before this, I was talking to the top of Google. They also, I'm going to give them a session because they are suffering from the same. Isolation, stress, they have deadlines, they have to make billions. Google is the medium for the information in the world. I will get them to work for the course. And the courses were in the future where we love life, where we are powerful, where we beat disease, where we are happy and strong, and how does that work? And that needs to be passed along

through Google Machines Information, and I will be talking with those guys, and having dinner, I don't care about the shit, dinner shit, and five stars, and having dinner, I don't care about the shit, dinner shit and five stars and ten stars. I want a million stars of the universe here and now I want to know my soul and I know all the science. I was a nitwit, I was a dropout from school, but I talked to so many professors and they tell me, when I give lectures all over the world, but you know more.

Those are professors telling me. What you've discovered so amazing, and I just, I want to go back to the origin of this whole thing. And really find out what led you to the cold water. Like is this a practice that was in your family or generations or is this just something that you were just drawn to? Yes. When I was 17, I was drawn. You know, sometimes you do things on a hunch.

I was a thinker, a lot into philosophy, debating inside, and that you become a little bit a nerd kind of a person into all kinds of philosophies and all that, and then boom, I'm not really a nerd. I'm a person who tries to find ways, and then at a certain moment you don't know anymore because you are too much in the knowing. Real knowledge is not knowing, it's being fully there. And that made when I felt to go into the water, I got that feeling of, this is it, without words. And that spiritual, powerful feeling came to me and since then, and this is like 46 years ago,

I have been doing this all the time. And I must say, it is genius. It must have been a struck of genius to go in and to stop this hamster going on, the thinking and all what you learn and what you're talking about. I was training with Alistair over him, you know, I'm a May fighter.

And he came to me like seven years ago and I told him when he told me Maybe I'm getting too old to my trainer said my coach that yeah, I do talk with you. I said yeah I always say to hey, I don't care how good you are, I'm making better. So listen up. And he began to listen, and those eyes were on me then. And that's cool, because I know what I'm talking about. And he began to do exactly what I was saying. It is breathing

with his with with the cold. And a week later, he got a telephone of him and he said, he said to me, like so so confident, he said, I'm going to win. I I'm gonna win, win. And he won one match after the other. Flowers until he got to the title match with Steve Pay. And I was there. And then that afternoon, I was in this dressing room and all and I said let's do a big of this breathing and He could only do 35 seconds of retentions then I thought Thank you are there be there And that yeah, this was later and now I'm training him again, he came back. Excellent.

And now, but now he is 42. But now I say, now he's listening. And he feels better than ever. He's going to be a world champion in September. There is the match with Rico for over, who's the president of World Champion. He says he is doing the breathing now for three hours a day and he feels so clean and the fatigue is completely gone. He is sharp like a razor, like a razor. And so it's confidence is totally back on.

This is up here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Huge fan of his, by the way, I had no idea. That's really cool. You know, earlier you were talking about the pandemic and, you know, how we were treated and how people responded to that. That must have been very challenging.

I know it was challenging for us. We're in the fitness space differently than you. But just watching people not take control of their health was very challenging for us. I know it must have been challenging for you. Did you have any students or anybody that you worked on to you who contracted COVID who used your methods to make you sure? I had people who had myocarditis, you know, the heart inflammation inside the heart.

Yeah. And that can kill people. But they completely healed. Well, you know, what happens when you do these breathing techniques, it's not only that it is bringing down the inflammation, it's also flushing five times more blood into the brain and heart. It's amazing. This makes the heart so much stronger, it's like a car that breaks down during the winter, the battery, and you need that breaks down during the winter, the battery, and you need a road help coming, then boost your battery, and then you're able to go again. But with the heart, that means a heart attack. In this case,

if we make flush five times more blood into the heart, you boost the electrical currents of the heart. And it's the future of cardiology. We are doing the study right now with 600 people. They got all the results. It's being processed. It's going to be published. We got for people with long COVID, because it attacks the endothelial cells, which is for the transmission of fluids inside the body, very important if they are inflamed and nothing can go through. You drown in yourself. It drains your energy. It's logical. So to bring back the, to come back from from long COVID, this is possible.

Because we are, we have found ways not only to bring down the inflammation, but to restore to the plasticity in the body, restore to the plasticity in the body, to restore through the plasticity of the body and make it consciously invigorated consciously on the level of the mitochondria. The mitochondria is energy. So we are able to bring more boosting up the mitochondrial activity by which we get a lot more energy than we need for our maintenance of our bodies and that goes directly into plasticity. So we heal, we heal rapidly. This was all unknown.

And of course, if you say things like this in the, then they will say, no, this is misinformation. You cannot say this. That's a class. Let me tell you now, so I am with Google with the top. I'm going to do it through these big companies and a, a, Dorsey who is the Twitter guy. He was my friend. He is doing the method. We will change the world. We will bring it ways you cannot buy. You can only obtain by which you get the most

valuable of life. That is your happiness, your strength, and your health. We've got to bring it. Yeah. I was wondering if you could explain to the audience what those breathing techniques entail. And also like, how did you come up with that? Was it taking from other methods that were previously there? Or is this just? No, no, no. If you go into the cold, first thing you do is, you learn to breathe deep. Breathing deep means you bring nurture into the depth of your physiology past your conditioning. You call this merciless but righteous.

It brings you back to who you are and what you are. Past whatever you think, all of your body is activated, is in flames, is being tortured at that moment. Or you adapt, or you are too much. That's what it is. And for that, it needs the all of the body. And what happens automatically, begin to breathe deeper.

That's where it started with the cold. And then I began to cultivate deep breathing while being in the cold. I could stay so long in the cold without sensing the negative impact of the cold. And that made me powerful through the breath. And then I began to separate the breathing from the going into the cold and just do the breathing exercises at home. I saw all the lights, all the chakras, all the mysterious and how do you say mystical appearances they talk about in all those books. I saw them all. became boring so much. That's why I say fucking enlightenment. Fucking enlightenment, bring happiness, strength, and help to people who need it, yield the people. And that's what I'm doing now. I

take people out of their darkness because darkness is created by not being light, light as being and light, the neurology, the electricity in the body is not working because of being sluggish through our so-called comfort zone behavior. And then taken on more stress, and we don't know how to deal with that, because we have never been schooled in primary school, what it is to be happy, strong and healthy. History, yes, mathematic, yes, and language, how about the most important in life, happiness, strength and health, and being able to do that without the aid of anything, just to be unconditionally fully in your soul, and the soul is really

eating like a flowing river, and all the life creates by itself. That's why we think rivers are much more beautiful than all these channels. This come out of our mind. Productivity, yes, but nature, the unconditional love of life and the beauty, where is it? That's where we come in. So going back to the simplicity of the breathing techniques, it is so simple for any who is watching this, listening, it is so simple, but because it is scientifically fully endorsed, it shows that it is also very powerful and very accessible for any person in the world. We have neglected the most valuable of all, which is the life force itself, coming through the breath.

Learn that you are built to be able to feed all the systems inside, and then your mindset should be, I should be in control of my happiness, strength and health. Because the rest is bull shit. When you've been doing this now for I think over 40 years and the science is starting to come to support all of it, but I imagine during this time you've been surrounded by skeptics. Who is the most skeptical person that you've seen transform that you've met? No, that's a good question. First of all, the skepticism is a sort of

mental state that doesn't want to believe, it does not want to believe, except for doesn't want to believe, it does not want to believe except for what it thinks based on the facts existence and that becomes a conditioning and that conditioning can overtake a person and then it remains skeptic forever. Even when the truth is revealed. They stay in the conditioned state of their mind. And so I have signs changed fundamentally, but still the majority of doctors, they don't take it on as a truth. Do it is factual. So they are stuck in their skepticism. They are stuck in the so-called thing called medical paradigm and they are not

open to adventure for more. Maybe the medical paradigm is not necessary if we look better inside of ourselves, but then they have to sacrifice all what they have learned, all their position, all their cars, all the golf clubs, all the as good girls, and whatever they are doing, they got to give it up, they cannot. So they will always deny. And that we're looking at skeptics in my life. I got a lot of people coming now, great people,

great thinkers, and they even get the top of Google now, and they don't come just like that. They only come when they see that this is going to be the future. And the future is where we will bring all the skeptics around. You don't need to be skeptical if you got the truth. And the truth is to be a happy, strong and healthy. A happy man doesn't go to war. A happy man is not into possession. A happy man is simply there.

He doesn't need to be skeptical. So skepticism, I've been finding that the first 25 years of my practice, I was being the local, the crazy man, the idiot, don't link with him, he is strange and things like that. And then I came in connection with television and then skeptic said, now the same people would laureate me, would hang on, would say, oh, Wim, can I make another photo? Oh, you great, oh, you're just,

yeah, I like, with other words, they like to lick my ass. And I say, don't, don't do that. Cause I didn't do that. Cause I didn't wipe it. Well, okay. You've got a ton of anybody who's seen any of your documentaries have seen all these crazy feats that you've done.

What do you think was the most challenging or the scariest for you? Yeah, there are many and you know every time you do a record you are the best of yourself. You are a little bit afraid Afraid means that it doesn't go as you think as you feel I've learned to do that to stay open Because if you think like it with a need the Alistair over the story If you don't think you are there be there

So you say you stay open then when you climb without gear Steve rocks as I did Then you have to see even without seeing it with your eyes with the six cents six cents exists there all I've been showing you in sign in brain scans and all but you see the rock without looking at it you see it you see coming in time space you far pass, go past time space, you will make, you can learn to trust that sense and you make just a move, just boom, there goes your rock while you are climbing without being, even a little rock, it will just get you, go to

you out of balance and you fall off the rock and you're dead. I've been doing that so many times that I know that. So I came that time, I had to do the rehearsal for the first time. I went for say 60 yards swimming horizontally under the eyes. That was my first record under the ice. Later I did it longer in distance, et cetera, but not that day. And that day was into the rehearsal.

There was nobody there. It wasn't that, but he was on top of it. And because it was not the official record, so we don't need to control as much. So that was there a way of thinking about it. But me, I was there and I said, I'm gonna do the full distance now. Because tomorrow I gotta do it.

I'm not gonna do the half and see, oh, that was nice, I can do it. I know I just went, hey, fuck man, you don't know what is happening within me. I want to do the whole distance. So tomorrow I can be at ease. So I did that. I did the breathing. So a deep breathing. That means go past the conditioning, charging up the body, cleansing the body in the depth.

That's what I did. Then I went in, then the last 10 breaths. You fill up the last resistance, biochemical resistance, and then you take luck. You go down vertically to go under the meter or the yard of eyes. First you have to go vertically down and then you start to swim horizontally. I had no goggles on and because I had no goggles on my retina, my cornea, frozen and I couldn't see more than a blur because we are no seals. I trained to seals though and then pull out but that's another they were talking to me they were not real seals real sales do not them they were just nice people we had a great time with it. The thing is, I'm not a seal too. So after 35,

40 yards, my breath's enough froze. I couldn't see. And at that moment, you don't think. You're not thinking. You instinctively keep on. You can't breathe. You can't stop and say, the says, oh, I can't see where am I? Is this it's just icy water and and eyes in the night. It was a lifeline, but I couldn't see. No, it was no lifeline. Then it was. I could not see simple. And I kept, but I kept on making my strokes, because I had trained in a swimming pool before I needed to do 42 strokes to get to 60 yards. Every stroke perfectly measured and my physiology makes one meter, 20 centimeter, which is say one meter, a one yard, a one-half yard, something like that. That is one stroke of me when I go full, yes? Your stroke probably different. The thing is I had a calculator, the distance. I needed 42 strokes, but at 28 strokes, I lost it, the side.

And then at that moment, you don't think you just go into survival mode. This is the reptilian brain. The reptilian brain is not about thinking, It's just being. And I kept on. And subconsciously, you keep on counting. And when it was 48, that means six more than 42, which I had measured. At that moment, I got back into consciousness thinking. six I had to go six that way. Imagine after you did 60 65 yards, no 70 yards, you go six strokes that way like nine yards that way. nine yards that way. Nothing. Six that way, six that way, six that way, six that way, six that way. I did like double their world records resistance. More, more. And then I, the, the visual perception became this big. It's a, the blur was still there, but now only this big. Very close.

That's the tunnel vision before you die. Then somebody grabbed me, the diver, because I had been too long under the ice. You don't, you got me back, you brought me back to the second hole, which was 60 yards, and coming out of the water, there I conquered our concept, our fear of death itself. Just, it happens in a moment. Boom. That moment, that experience that is like life changing. It's much more than a world record. It's a life's lesson.

And from there, I've been challenging my body and my mind, always so much, but I trust. Through the breathing, through going into the core, you learn to acquaint with the internal neurological networks, the six cents, seven cents, eight cents. And then you are able to go into the full power, 100% of your brain. 100%. We have shown this now,

before I did not know, now I showed in brain scans, we are able through these techniques to alterate to heighten 100% neural activity inside the brain. Now, they had never seen that before. In this, it was, this happened in the best of brain scans of the world. So it's all science. But when you are before scientific research, evidence and all, you've got to trust your God. You've got to trust your intuition. And that's what

I did naturally by going past our conditioned way of thinking and feeling being. And that is going into the call. The call does the magic. It brings you further. Even further than what is written in the books. That's why I'm changing what is in the books. And I say, hey, what I can do, anybody can do. It's no secret. It's just what I found in nature. I'm here to share. It's not mine. It's great, and it's for everybody. So that moment where I lost the fear of death and found a absolute new deep understanding of what life is Life where our soul is indestructible and unbreakable

So you don't that about that you know that but do people really grasp that? No, why not? Because they haven't fully realized, fully manifested, like a baby in their hands. There is nothing wrong with the legs, but the neurological pathways are not set. That's why it's not able to walk. We have not been schooled to exercise and practice

our, to develop our internal neurological networks that makes us understand what is the consciousness of, and the perception of what is the soul, what goes past time and space. This is only a part of our brain is time and space. There's also a where time is suddenly gone, time less, the soul is timeless. And a past, a past at time means you are able to see into the future, the part you can regulate what has happened in the DNA of the past, which is connected.

The DNA is connected to our ancestors. It is only logic. It is all there. And we are now able to enter and to embed it to heal our ancestral wounds of past lives who are now connected to the spirits man. You cannot see them but they are there and they are there waiting for us to take autonomy within ourselves and to bring to love the power to heal the past the present and the future because I want to be the man who is able to guarantee happiness,

strength, and health for my children, not only for my children, for all children in the world. Whim, what you talk about counters, massive, massive industries in the world. I mean, you talk about billions of dollars or trillions of dollars of industries in the world with long, long history of, you know, their own research and theories and application. So it's a no small feat. I did want to ask you, though, because you're known as the ice man, but you've also done things in the heat. I think you ran in the desert and the hot desert for really long distance without taking

a single sip of water. Is there a difference between withstanding the cold and the heat in terms of how you deal with it or how it affects your body, or is it all in essence the same? It's just a challenge and you have to overcome it with the same or similar types of tools and methods. That's it. That's it. It's a challenge. Our mind is able to regulate the stress which could be cold, but also heat. Heat is also part of a possible control of us at will over the temperature mechanisms inside the brain. And they say the cult is like emotion and heat is like emotion. All that, the emotions, the deepest of our brain,

is controllable. And with that, whatever is the the challenge you are able to regulate your mood therein to maintain control within yourself, even in the most of stress. And that I've been showing in Detroit in FMRIZE. How to go into that part of the brain, where you are able to regulate your mood, even when stress is happening. You stay calm and nice, because the body then is doing what it needs to do to inoculate the stress.

The stress could be cold, could be heat, could be bacteria, virus, and negative emotions, whatever stress it is, in the end it is always cell biological stress and then it affects our being, our well-being. And the question is, can we alter the cell by a logical stress to not become negative, deregulating our systems inside? And there I say, yes. And then it is, like any other challenge. Take on a challenge.

Because the challenge is to how to find your soul, how to find 100% control over your mind and your body. It's there. Science has shown. And of course, the trillions of dollars and euros and yens, whatever currency they use. They don't want the people to become independent. They want them dependent so their cash flow keeps on going. It is a sick system and it needs to stop. We got now the neurology of the mind, has been showing in brain scans and blood proof that we are able to control so much more

with that comes autonomy. So my adversaries, my so-called enemies, they are not my enemies, they are just into a wrong paradigm. And I say happiness, strength and health for the families in the pharmaceutical industry, but also your neighbor, all to you, all to me, everybody, it's our birthright to take on the control we are born with. And that's what all what I say. And if I come across

And that's what all what I say. And if I come across enemies because I'm just telling the truth, I want to share something that is good for everybody, which doesn't cost money, it's simply there. If I make that wisdom shareable, then they come and they want to kill me or this or threaten me, then I say come on this finger I Challenge this finger By hanging 23 in our seconds just by one finger in between two hot air balloons up a mile in the air in winter

And you normally you lose dexterity not me. This is this is what I got for them. That's a strong figure for the enemy. I got this. Whim whim for the enemy. Also, I got a great message. I can make you happy, strong and healthy. Something you cannot buy. You want it? Okay, come on, let's start. Wim, Wim, how old is your human body and when was the last time you were sick? Yeah, I'm 63 and last month I was like going into the ice bath on my birthday 63 minutes to the iceberg on my birthday, 63 minutes. And enjoying it, I was singing. I'm all about, I'm fucking strong man. I'm sorry, it's what, you know, when you go into the cold,

when you go into the cold, your tendons become so strong. So I get all these strong people and they say, they say, I've got the strongest tendons because if I get two dumbbells of 10k each, like 20 pounds each, I could do like a thousand times like this. I just keep on going. I control the tendons.

The tendons provide the acetylcholine which is the neurotransmitter for performance and I just keep it to alkaline. I control my breath and it keeps on going. It's a, and they cannot do it. Shit man. No. When was the last time I was sick? I'm sick of that question. That's all. I just don't.

If I become, I'm vulnerable like anybody because I've got a body But when virus comes from bacteria or negative thoughts, I mean just breathe mother progress Well, I got a question for it before we wrap up I was wondering I've actually seen this personally because I did one of your courses which was Was radical was radical, it was transformative. But when people went through the breathing process, there was a lot of these emotions that came up when they got to the state. And I was wondering if that was any tie with old memories or anything with the fact that you found anything in that direction.

Oh yeah, no. I'm doing the studies with the DNA researchers right now. And it shows that we get into the genes, to the genes. And genes can be locked up, gene expressions. And they can be locked up because of trauma. And we had no capacity to detraumatize, to de-unlock those genes from those proteins. And now we are.

So when we go three quarters of an hour into this breathing, then people get into the DNA. They get into these locked up gene expressions by which they de-traumatized. It just goes, it gets out, it comes to the surface. You are able to process, I do a series, I just did a series with the BBC, 12 of them, and in the second one, there was a, for example, a woman, a BBC presenter from sports, former gymnast, Olympic gymnast, and all that. And always very poise and in control. That's the way they know her in Great Britain, you know, on the television. And there, in that breathing session, she began,

she broke, she began to cry, cry, cry. And then afterwards, with 200 people production, BBC filming, 10 big cameras upon her, she told her what happened. While when she did the breathing, what happens, what is locked up in our DNA is also becoming visual when you process it. And she, at that moment, she saw her brother

who had died when she was 19. She is now 51. When she was 19, she is now 51. She was 19 and her brother was 15 and the whole family had a picnic at home in the garden and all. He was a Liverpool upcoming new talent to play football so highly supportive and he died of a heart attack in the garden. And then they were all present. So that traumatized that family for all their lives. And she named it like you live, it's like you live without one arm. You got to learn to go bypass because the trauma will not leave you and it will always have

a deep impact on your consciousness, on your being. And so, but in that session, she processed it, she felt it's okay. She saw her mother vividly face, three-dimensional, three-debreeding, her child, and her brother. And she was like different, enlightened process. So we are able to experience traumas in our life, but the thing is they should not be hidden away, locked up, influencing us for the negative, we should be free beings and being able to process we will never forget. We will always love. And that is what you do if you love life.

You live it for the other as well. But you cannot if it is hidden. And in our schooling system, we are never taught how to go into the depth of our body and to gain control over that, what we need to process. Because in the itinerary of life, things happen man. When the shit hits the pan, you should be able to cleanse yourself and to go on again. Now we found the keys. This is what we give through being here like this together. We bring it on for those

who need it. When you're what you're what you're what you're teaching and what the people who follow your courses say counters, you know, medicine, mental health, the pharmaceutical industry, the very powerful industries. Have you been threatened with lawsuits and legal action? Have they come after you in ways that are just besides, you know, calling you a clack? Because at some point I think they have to Knowledge some of the studies that you've been a part of and you're your your your customers or your Your patients have been a part of or the people who learn your your processes have been a part of I

Can imagine that I mean I know they played dirty I see what they do in politics all the time have they tried to come after you in other ways legally for example I think they are so arrogant. So arrogant that they keep on going with their power system the way they do it up till now. And I tell you that YachIC system that is living on people's dependency, and people's not knowing how to govern themselves, I'm going to break it. I'm just telling something honorable, something noble, called love, I want to share it with the white world and to bring something you cannot buy and you cannot possess ever through power. That's what I'm giving to you.

That means I'm offering the people in politics, in pharmaceuticals, in the industries, in the murdering, what is ever going on with wars and all. I offer them one thing, just breathe and go into the core. And you will learn that you are able to possess the power to become happy, strong and healthy unconditionally. I'm no threat. They are threatened by something else, by their own fears, and they know it. So what I do, you can't possess air. And cold, man, just shut down the radiator, and you get cold. Or take a cold shower, a day keeps the doctor away. It's so simple what I do.

But the knowledge I have is simply showing that we are at a new dimension of the power of our mind and to be able to unconditionally love life. And that is an experience in Syria, these children, they don't know even what is peace because they are born in the war. You know, 11, 12 years, they don't know what it is. So the thing I do, what is the greatest of threat is, is that I say, our minds are ready to control our brains, the hundred percent, by which we get a control over our brain, which is connected to the unlimited power of the mind. And it's there. That's what I'm saying. And I say it through medical and scientific evidence-based facts. So that's all I'm doing.

And they can't ever threat that. But possibly they will try to play dirty, etc. But I say say fuck fear. I live to live, man. I don't live to serve fear. I'm stronger. Love is stronger. If you are in love, nobody can stop you. Excellent. Excellent. Awesome. William, thank you, brother. This has been great. I really appreciate you coming on the show amazing guy Thank you very much And you guys are great to have me on your show to bring this on to let me talk and About this this way. I thank you very much because your work is great. Keep on going

Keep on going strong because we got a rise and bring some happiness, strength and health to the world. That's right, let's do it. Appreciate it. God bless and keep doing it, man. I appreciate it. Thank you, man. Yes. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy,

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