Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1824: Building Muscle & Burning Fat on a High Carb Diet, How to Workout When Time Is Limited, Ways to Reignite Interest in Working Out & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: May 28, 2022

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MD2022. So the letter M, the letter D, and then 2022, that code, 50% off any maps program, or all of them, of your choice. Go do it now and here comes the show. Contrary to popular media, the biggest threat to modern societies, biggest by far, is obesity and the health-related issues to obesity. You know, I want to bring that up because- This is controversial. It is because people are like, oh my God, you know,

whatever, name the current thing. It's the biggest existential threat to us. It's going to destroy everything. If you actually looked at the numbers and you looked at total deaths per year, obesity crushes everything. Yeah. If you look at its effect on mental health, obesity and its health affects crush everything.

And it has been for decades now. It's not like a current crisis that were in the, in the middle of, you know, like COVID. It's like, this thing has been going on. This has been going on year after year after and growing. Yeah. It's getting worse, but it's more than that, right? So we know what the deaths are, although I think the deaths are understated. It's somewhere in year 100,000 deaths a year and three or four million per year in the world.

But I think it's more than that because it's hard to, it's hard to really quantify because obesity and self-effects can lead to other things than you die of cancer or you die of something else and they attribute to that and that necessarily obesity. So I think the number is much higher. But there's that, there's the mental health effects, which we don't really quantify. But we know for a fact that poor health has a dramatic impact on anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, paranoia, it definitely makes people feel more negative and less positive. Here's some other stuff. And again, we don't have the numbers to really point to with some of this stuff. It dramatically decreases productivity and innovation.

We know this through some of the fitness studies that we've done, or that we've seen with, we did corporate memberships, right? Where we show that for every dollar a company spends on fitness, if an employee uses it, the company will get back $2 in productivity. We know fit and healthy people, buy things differently, make different choices,

feel more positive, or more productive, and it's impossible even quantify what that could potentially mean for society. Not to mention the cost on society from a dollar standpoint. Right. It's going to bring up the cost of the healthcare system in terms of bankrupting in the future if it was to proceed at the rate that it's going out. Oh, it will bankrupt modern societies. And modern Western medicine doesn't have a solution for these chronic health issues. They're all behavior-based.

Nobody's really talking about that way or talking about what it's... Now, why are we so concerned about climate change as opposed to obesity? I think it's an easier political cell. It's an easier way to divide people into, provide a solution, right? Like imagine if a politician, well, I mean, one of them,

oh no, come on dude, okay, one of them potentially ends the earth, the other one is ending people's lives, two different things though. And because here's the thing, like that's something that society and by the way, I'm not and I'm just Just using what Justin said. I don't necessarily agree or not or disagree as so much as like there are two different things Like one is like a choice that people are making right people are making a choice Personally to over consume right and not take care of their health right whereas choice personally to over consume, right, and not take care of their health.

Right. Whereas, you potentially, Justin, polluting the Earth is you're affecting my life, even if I'm a healthy person. Well, and they're two different monsters. It's actually not because if you think about this way, what do humans have that makes us really good at solving big problems?

What have we always done to solve biggest problems that we've encountered? Innovate. We don't know what the impact on being sick and unhealthy has on innovation. Just look at our markets, for example. So our markets respond to our needs and our wants. Go to the grocery stores and easy want to see. Look at all the food in there. What are the markets cater to? Convenience and palatability, right? Our habits which are driven by our bodies and how we feel, because this is a filter

through which you receive the world, that drives a lot of stuff. And so, you know, think about all the money that goes into innovating. So are you saying that because there's so many people that are unhealthy that we can't divert that money towards other things? And there's unknown costs, like we don't know

what advancements we have. I mean, you could also make the, I'm just gonna put devil's advocate today. We, we don't know what advancements we have. I mean, you could also make the, I'm just going to play devil's advocate today. Sure. We could also make the case that all these sick people are forcing an urgency to innovate also. Like if we were also healthy, we wouldn't have all these issues that were happening or that wouldn't be so alarming.

And because they are so alarming and growing and becoming worse, now suddenly we're looking into these things. So you can make that case, too. Well, let me ask you this, who is what group of people is more likely to innovate better and produce better? Healthy people or very sick people? That's fair.

But I mean, the healthy people are going to innovate because there are so many sick people. If there wasn't so many sick people, maybe they wouldn't be trying to innovate. Well, think about where they would innovate. It would be much more proactive rather than reactive. Yeah. And what problems could we tackle?

Yeah. Let me put this way. If I could snap my fingers and change one thing that would have profound effects on everything, I would snap my fingers and make everybody healthy. Think about that. Mentally and physically healthy people. If all of a sudden everybody was mentally and physically healthy,

not that that could ever, I mean, obviously this is extreme, but it is, imagine if we did that, what would that change? That would change everything. Which change parents, which change companies, it would change markets, it would change the way we vote and the decisions that we make. So it has profound effects and we're not even, and you know what's really starting to get a little worrisome is that right now a majority of Americans, a small majority of Americans are overweight, but a minority are obese. But that number is growing. I think obesity now sits at like 30 something percent.

You just said a small majority is overweight, a majority is over. Small majority meaning it's like 50 something percent. So it's not like a big majority. But it's higher than that. Maybe look it up, though. I believe overweight, like 20 pounds or more, it's like 60 something percent, and then 40 something percent is obese. So obese, I know is not a majority,

but we can look at 40, bro. That's not the most half. You're right, we're getting there. And I think a majority is overweight. Yeah, so let's look up overweight, but I know obesity itself is not a majority yet, but it's getting there. And what I'm noticing is that,

I mean, I think we'll be there in a decade. Probably. Yeah, no, for sure. The way it's the, look And what I'm noticing is that, I mean, I think we'll be there in a decade. Probably. Yeah, no, for sure. The way it's the, look at the say Doug. So we have 36.5% of adults have obesity. Oh, okay. However, 32.5% of American adults are overweight.

So you take those two numbers together and basically that would be what about 68, 69% of people are overweight. No, no, no, because if you're obese, 68, 69% of people are overweight. No, no, no, no, because if you're obese, no, it's not quite that way. Look up, just look up what percentage Americans are overweight. Just look up that number. Are they deciding that based on BMI?

Yeah, unfortunately that's what they're using. I mean, that's okay. That's the best number we have. They keep throwing out obesity numbers here. The last time I looked at was something like, you know, like as we're moving the, we're moving the more, I know, we know everybody's fat, but if 32.5% of Americans are overweight and then an additional 36.5% are obese. I don't know if it's additional or if they, if they're both, if it's like, no diagrams the diagrams? Does that make sense? I'm pretty sure I read 60% of the way.

Nonetheless, what would make Doug's number right? 67, that would be 67 or six? Well, 69%. Well, nonetheless, here's my point with this, because what you're starting to see with obesity, because obesity is a whole nother category, when as that starts to become a majority, what happens is politicians and media

start to push to normalize and also victimize. We've already been doing that. We are and it's getting worse. So now what's happening is, is this gonna happen in our lifetime, actually probably in the next 10 years, you're gonna start to see them be categorized as an oppressed class.

And we're already seeing this, weight loss, it's fat-chaming, weight loss is oppression, and you're gonna start to see this more and more, and you'll start to see politicians come out because this is a voter block, and because soon it's gonna be a majority voter block, it's gonna be normalized and you're an oppressed group, and then targeting them will be considered bigotry.

And this is when it's gonna get really crazy. And it's just because we're here already, man. I mean, look at it, I mean, heaven forbid you say anything about the, you know, cover model on sports illustrated. Oh, heaven forbid you say something. I saw that. You say something and you're fat shaming and so on. And here's the thing that, okay, the companies are smart.

Let's, I mean, the companies that are jumping on this bandwagon are smart because they see the future. And I believe in the next decade or so, that is going to be the majority of our population Which makes the majority of consumers of products? So it's in their best interest to market to those people and normalize those people right and as it becomes more in that direction Now I'm not saying it should be we should make people feel bad The answer isn't shame, but to normalize it is only going to move to your point

that you started this whole conversation. Yes. It's only gonna push us in that direction even further. It's not gonna go the other direction. Do I think the answer is to shame those people? No, I don't think that's the answer either. But to normalize it and to celebrate it, and then to point out anybody

who doesn't like it or disagree with it as a big it boy Are we heading in a dangerous direction very dangerous and again, it's it the the the downstream effects We can't even quantify what this means look you okay. Let me ask you guys is trainers you guys have been doing this for a long time how much How much of your client changed as they became more fit besides just their fitness. Oh, yeah. I mean, like, like, night and day, personality, personality, like the way that they're motivated to be productive at work, like their relationships, confidence, energy, sleep, sex, relationships. I mean, everything. Yeah, there's there's not really better when you're healthy. I mean,

bottom line. And so to not be able to promote that and think that that's a divisive thing instead of you're just trying to help people achieve a better version of themselves is absolutely absurd. Yeah, so my message to fitness professionals, because what will happen to a lot of people, and I remember being like this even as an early trainer, is you would see this message and it would just piss you off. And you'd be like, that's unhealthy, that's whatever. And we need to do is we need to be empathetic, caring, but honest. You have to do both. Honesty. So this is the biggest thing right now. Yes. Who's who? Who's going to be left that's going to be honest? Yeah. I'm not going to be a lot of people left on it because

they're scared. Well, I mean, what Salisana is so spot on though, too, because it's such a we it's a fine dance here. You can't because you have to be very careful. I mean, what Salisana is so spot on though too, because it's such a, it's a fine dance here. You can't, because you gotta be very careful. I mean, look what happened to you. You wanna push people the way you look at happen, look at having a George Pearson. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it.

We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it.

We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. We have to be nasty about it. really surprising for someone who I think is so well spoken, you know, tweeted out something in response to that. And that is not the way he communicated that. That's not gonna help anybody. It's not. So you have to find a way to communicate to people that.

Look, we made our careers on helping people in this particular situation. And you don't help people like this by making them feel like shit or terrible or inviting. No, you want to be empathetic, you have to be caring, but you also have to be honest, and you have to, if they want help, you have to be able to help them. What does that say, Doug?

73%. Oh, wow. So it's even higher. 73% will be overweight. That's from 2017, 2018, which by the way, I bet you exploded. I bet you, yeah, after the pandemic's even worse. Yes. So, I mean, this is a big problem, and we look at things like climate change,

you know, war, inflation, I'll say, go ahead and do the numbers. Doesn't come close to how many people die and get affected every single year from the priorities, right? Like, and I don't put that up there to deny it. It's just that, like, what are our priorities? What can we control? Like, what can we really promote

to like move the needle the most right now? And I think that'll be something we really need to take a real close look at. And the problem is that there is no politician that's gonna be able to have an answer for you because there isn't something that the government can do that'll be like to. They don't want to.

They don't want to. It's in their best interest not to. They're making tons of money that's true of medicating these people that are that have a decision manipulating yes when you feel this is true that's what the scariest part about all this it's in the best interest of the people that have the platforms the companies that have the money that do all the advertising they're going to continue to market this way the politicians that are making money on the back door in the medical system, there's a ton of companies of profit off people who are sick.

Yes, that's a true statement. Totally. And also, when you use this more of a wake up thing, it is. People need to wake the fuck up because the messaging you're going to get is going to be completely the opposite of what we're talking about right now, because it's not in their best interest.

100% and the pursuit, the healthy, proper pursuit of improving your health. Okay, it's the way we best end. 100% and the pursuit, the healthy, proper pursuit of improving your health. Okay, so the way we communicate on the show many times, the pursuit of that is very empowering. So when you feel empowered, you're less likely to be manipulated or controlled or fearful, right? When you feel like you have more control over your health,

which really expands the rest of your life, you're less likely to be fearful and manipulated. The people who are selling you shit or who control these things, they don't want that. They don't want a bunch of hard to manipulate people. They want people who are fearful and easily manipulated. So they're gonna make you feel like

they're informed without question. They're gonna make you feel like you're a victim. It's not your fault. It's everybody else's fault. Oh no, it's perfectly fine. Oh no, it's actually healthy and this is all cool and because now they can manipulate you to get you to do what they want.

And this is a nasty game that's being played. And because now overweight is actually a bigger majority than I thought, in obesity's getting to that point. This is a big voter block now. So when a majority of Americans are obese, who are they gonna cater to? That.

And what are they gonna do? They're to make you feel like a victim. And they're going to say everybody else is bad. Anybody who tells you you need to lose weight, they're being oppressive. They're being, they're being bigots. They're fat shaming you. No, no, no, no, no. There definitely are people that fat shame, but that's not, that's not what's happening. So, and I want to, I wanted to bring that up because this is a big issue that no everybody ignores I think we ignore it because it requires more personal responsibility. I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I'm so About this unfortunately, and I'm in the space. So I should be optimistic, but I'm super pessimistic about this

I don't think we're gonna get worse. Yeah, I don't think we can win. Yeah, I don't think we don't have enough power or voice to to combat the forces that are promoting the message that you're talking about. I don't think we and and add in the fact that that's the easier path. Yeah. Yeah. People are always going to go the with the path of least resistance. Yes. And making change, self-awareness, looking inside, working, saying, no. Seeking resistance. Yes. Avoiding addiction.

All those things, that's hard. So, and then if all the messaging is telling you that the hard way is not the right way or why I go that way or it's oppressive and all the things that you're saying, well, I just, how do we win that? And to add insult to injury, the popular people,

or the people getting the attention who are communicating weight loss and health, do it wrong and communicate the wrong message. You know, I hear, I was just on a podcast and the guy interview me said, how do you feel about when people go to the doctor, get bad blood work back, or whatever the doctor says,

hey, you need to move more and eat less. It's like, well, it's like telling somebody who's on welfare, having struggling to feed their kids, oh, you need to do. Stop spending money. You need to make more money and save more money. It's a basic buy. It's not that simple.

We're behavior-based emotional creatures. It's much more complex than that. And so the problem is the messaging, and this is what we always try to battle, right? The messaging was, hype, motivation, hate yourself, beat yourself up, feel like crap, restrict yourself. That doesn't work. So now you're getting people who turn to, you know, the fitness space and say, all right,

I'm going to do something about this. Then they get this crappy information. It doesn't work for their version of the message. Absolutely. So how do we solve this? We got to talk about this in real ways. We have to talk about this from a behavioral standpoint. We have to talk about what it really means.

We have to talk about self-care and not self-hate and how you should feel after a workout. You should not feel like you should be to be better self-hate. I think it's less about communication and it's more about how you live. I mean, I don't think that we win the communication war. I think we've already lost it.

I think we're gonna continue to lose it. I think the best thing that you can do is be an example, is to live a life that's healthy that way that and to be compassionate to others and have empathy. That's true. And let that be something that someone is attracted to and seeks information and question.

Why are you, here's everything so bad in this world and I feel so terrible time and yet you are so positive and you have energy and you're happy, allow that to shine through and allow them to look to you to ask like, what is it about you that makes you this way? And then that gives you the opportunity to present that because I tell you, I think just trying to yell it or scream it or argue or debate it,

I think we lose. No, no. Yeah, I guess the hope there is like just all the resurgence of interest in becoming like a personal trainer, a coach, just somebody that wants to make a difference. There's a lot of people out there that want to do that, be that example. And I think that we just need to promote

and lift them up more instead of just like keep promoting all this news and nonsense that just keeps you bombarded. And when I talk about communication, I'm referring to that, right? I don't think you're not gonna go and beat it into people because no one's gonna listen. It doesn't work like that for anything.

Definitely be the example and then when people ask you, or like us, right, people seek us out. We don't hammer our show into people's living rooms or whatever, they'll seek us out,, communicating in effective empathetic understanding ways. And remember, you're not talking to fitness fanatics. This is another thing I like to tell people in our space is we confuse, we think other people like we are. No, they're not. You work in the fitness space. This is your passion, your fanatic. They are not. You cannot tell them what works for you, what work for them. Like, you know, you hear fitness people all the time say,

like, oh, you just gotta do it, you just gotta discipline, you just gotta get up and make it happen. And I love eating healthy, because it's great. You know, a non-fitness fanatician, you're 1% dork. Yeah, I'm trying to help the 90, I mean, it reminds me of the stupid forum post that we got into it with also.

It's just like, some of these kids are so naive when they wanna come in and argue and debate with us about stupid fucking minute things that are related to like programming or nutrition. It's like, man, you are talking in an echo chamber of one percent of people that you care about. We've been doing this long enough. And even when we came into the podcasting space,

I remember going like, dude, it's wide open for us, because the podcast and the fitness influencers out there, they were speaking to other fitness people. It's like, they're not even close to the majority. Well, I want to go help the majority. I'm going to go help the 76% that are out there that are either turned off by fitness or have never been introduced to it the right way. Like you guys can go all fight over the one percent or already addicted to fitness and

want to argue over fucking studies, I'm gonna worry about trying to influence the majority who we're losing right now. 100% that's the most important thing, and you gotta communicate differently to them. And if you talk to them, the way that you like to be talk to, and you know, the other thing too is what they do is they not only talk to each other,

they assume they're the fitness fanatics, but they also talk to a, to the average person when the average person is in that short window of self hate and extreme motivation. Like, this is what the fitness industry targets. They target people who, you know, they saw a picture of themselves on social media. Oh my God, that's it. I got to do something about it.

I'm motivated. They target themselves. Yeah, they target themselves. The, the same, I mean, and by the way, okay, I'm just as guilty of this stuff. I mean, and we've admitted this on the show, what drove all of us into this space was an insecurity. I mean, what, and most of your fanatical fitness people are the same way. And a good portion of them still haven't figured it out yet. Still are working through that insecurity. It's what drives them to never miss a workout and never knock out their calories. And it's because they're so insecure. They've used that to fuel their motivation

And then they in turn turn around and mark it and try and sell to themselves Not realizing they're the fucking smallest percentage of this whole thing like and you're not you're helping you think you're helping Because you're all you're really doing is feeding into other people that have the same insecurity as you Totally, so it's like when someone comes in and says, hey, I'm thinking about, you know, doing like, you know, maybe 15 minute walks, you know, four days a week. And then the fitness fanatic's like, nah, it's waste of time.

Get in the gym, hammer yourself. You really want to take the serious, I mean, I remember doing that as an early trainer myself. And I apologize to any. Come talk to me when you're serious. Yeah. I know, dude. Yeah.

Oh, there he is. We started out with some churches this morning, you guys. I know. It's a good time. It's a good time. I'm. We started out with some church this morning. You guys know it's a good time. Coming in hot. Anyway, yeah, it's a coming the other day. Okay, so I'm getting Vicki's cutting hair, right? And so I always go first. Justin's normally like working out a little bit and Vicki's like, and then I hear the music over there and Vicki's cutting my hair. She goes, is that gospel music? And I look at Vicki and I'm like, oh, it's probably gonna watch it, it's gonna transition to some like,

darn metal, yeah, darn metal. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, right afterwards, right? And then like 10 minutes goes by and I'm like, this might be gospel music. I said, just what do you listen to, are there, bro? Yeah, I'm into it right now, dude. I'm like, what a gospel music. I mean, I don't know, dude, it was like striking a chord.

I think it's just because I've just been consuming so much negative, just information, news, whatever, dude. I'm just like thinking about world problems and everything on fire and it's just like, and your devil music is not like that. I need some to, yeah, that ain't working. It's not, it's just adding a little more grease to the fire. You know, I need something that's like uplifting and positive

and like feeds my soul. So yeah, I started doing a little gospel. And working now. That's great. Yes, dude, I died. Yeah. I seriously, I was, yeah, I need it's weird. Cause like, you know, it reminds me,

it has like an nostalgia to me. Cause I, especially when I was in Chicago, I would go out and listen to live music and like dude real good gospel music like it's just like oh it's powerful. That's true. If you've ever heard Kanye and his group, well they'll do some like gospel stuff every time. Yeah, it's Sunday his Sunday tour.

Is that what it is? It's pretty rad dude. I don't know if I can work out too. Yeah it's not a real bother. I know it's true like a trigger sass, bro. I was crazy. I was dying laughing because it's so extreme opposite of what he listens to.

Like, you know, like I have my, I get that. Like there's, there's times when I feel the exact same way. That's typically when I listen like country or like lighter music, or like when I do that. So, but I mean, that's not that far off from like my rock that I would listen to. We're just like death metal. And then he would gospel.

Well, there was a little bit of a bridge. Like I started getting back into like blues and like real soulful kind of music. I love blues. You know, something's got some emotion behind it. Like all this stuff is just so artificially driven, like made in a fucking studio. Like, oh, this is the formula.

And this is pop, you know, it's that I'm so over that shit. And then it just kind of led me back to like, people that really emote through their music. And then it just kind of led me back to like, people that really amote through their music. And then it was like, gospel's like, pop. I love, I think the best decades for music. I know, and these are not the decades I grew up in, 60s and 70s.

I think that was like the pinnacle of like, when you could probably make the case. And I'm not like his musical historian, like probably Justin, is or whatever like that. But isn't that when a lot of like, a lot of like sounds and stuff was created? A lot of experimental sounds. Right, like a lot of stuff.

LSD and, I mean, there's a lot of factors to that for sure. It was like most, most, most everything we have today is connected somewhat to that, right? Like I mean, there's like a somewhat of a modification or expansion on what was created. Well, general media even, even if you look at movies in the 60s and 70s,

there was a lot of original stuff. And slowly what's happened is that they figured out the formula to make money. It's like, literally, I was at the movies the other day and a trailer comes on. It's another Jurassic Park. If it looks good. It looks good. Yeah, see what that's what they Park. If it looks good. I'm like, oh, man, look at that.

That's what they know. I know. I've talked about this book before on the show. It's such a good read for this exact conversation, the hitmakers. Yeah. I think Derek Thompson, I think, is the author of it. But in that book, he would make the case

that everything is tied to that. Sure. Like, is it part of what attracts us to a sound, to a movie. A little bit of familiarity. Yes. It has to have a little bit of familiarity, but then some sort of uniqueness to it, right? And originality to it.

So it's a combination always above. Something that is completely foreign, we normally don't like, but if it has some sort of, every studio about that book, so we're all doing that shit. But that's why I'm always trying to bring up something like raised by Wolzen. Like this is so original. It just was like something like I'd never have seen before.

So I get excited when I hear some music like that. It's like, oh my god, I never heard this sound collectively. And again, there's the familiar element to it. It's like bringing in some blues, bringing in some jazz or like, you know, rock or whatever. Oh, yeah, I love fun. I was, you know, been listening to zap, you know, zap, more bounce to the ounce and do well again.

Oh, bro, I was in the car. Nine minutes, that song is the same shit over again, too. It was a little bit of fire, dude. That's good, Jim. Hey, speaking of media, now as of the airing of this episode, this will be out, but it comes out today when we're recording this, Ricky's your base as special as I'm gonna come out on Netflix.

I think, and I saw a clip of it, I think I know why Netflix put out that memo to their employees. Oh yeah, did he go hard? The little clip I saw, I was like, oh, he's trying. I think he's purposely, because right now, comedians are pushing the limit. I think, Shepel came out and opened the door and everyone was like, oh, he's trying. I think he's purposely, because right now comedians are pushing the limit. I think Chappelle came out and opened the door

and everyone was like, fuck it. I don't know. I wonder if that's kind of a thing. Like they've watched each other's specials and they're like, I think I could go a little harder. And remember, it wasn't Jervais the one that did. He was the last. He was the one who was, I mean, I didn't even really know

who he was until he did that awards speech. Yeah, the Oscar. Where he killed all the... He was the last good roast and every celebrity in there is so funny. And there was so awkward, remember how I remember. I mean, I actually really didn't know who he was until that. I love that. Like when that went viral.

In the office? He came out of the office. Well, I mean... He saw the American version. Yeah, I saw the English version too. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, like, like really new of him. Like, like, like, that would stand up.

Yeah, yeah, that part of it. Like, I recognize that, that's who that, what that guy was. But before that, I really didn't know of him. When that went viral, then I started. Well, he goes so hilarious. He goes so hard. I can't wait. So do you think it's going to be harder than Chappelle's and stuff?

I do. Oh, wow. I do. I do. Especially because he's a, he's a white dude. He's a word Smith dude. He crafts like, oh, it, it, it comes in so like piercingly, hard. Yeah. Whenever he delivers it. And he's also, he's out, again, he's also like a white dude that comes out and he's going

to make, I know he's going to make jokes that are going to be very good. Yeah. That's a good point. You should make him a big part. Get away with it, right? A little more, right? Of course he should. He's like royalty. Yeah. When when it comes to comedy, especially. So to be in your face, but your face really pushes it. If you listen to his comedy, he goes, did he have,

did he, was he a part of actually writing the office or did he? So he did, he wrote some of the content. Even the American version. Well, yeah, well, the whole American version is completely based off of that version. Yeah, and I, I like the American version, but that's just because I think culture here is like different. I think I mean, but they're both good.

The actors and both the actors in the American version are all hilarious, too. Dave Correll is great now. Yeah, I love English humor, though. I'm a big fan of that. I mean, I think if I would have found the English one first, I would have enjoyed it as much or, you know, I don't know about more, but I would have enjoyed it more.

I saw the original office and then I found out that it was based off of the English version and then I went back and I watched that and I enjoyed it, but I still liked the Steve Corolla. So I can't, I'm going to put that on tonight. Oh, I can't wait. That's going to be exciting. Yeah, that'll be great. Hopefully it brings so this morning you guys know, so Netflix does like night drops.

It's not out right now. It's not a thing I might be out right now. Is it out right now? It's not out. We should have watched it together. I would have loved to wash it with your eyes. I got warriors tonight. I'll be watching that. Oh, no I'm gonna save it for tonight and try and lift my my poor wife's spirits. Man. She is this pregnancy. I tell you what this baby better Come out and respect the shit out of her mom for a lot. Well, you know, you know, that's okay. That's the that's the silver lining in this. You guys are probably making the next Einstein or something. Is that something?

You did that or this kid is like. You gotta tell yourself, right? You gotta tell yourself something like that, right? One of the same thing is when I stepped in shit the other day and you're like, this is an old proverb. It's good luck. It's good luck. I hope, dude, I hope it's that.

It's good luck, I hope this baby isn't wreak havoc like she is right now, because Jessica literally just started getting over the severe, I've told people, like literally bed-written, throwing up. That's how bad the first trimester was. Started to come out of it and then migraines are hitting, 3 a.m. last night. She's like really bad and it makes her vomit

and I'm rubbing her head all night and I'm trying to figure out what to do and oh crap, we don't have anybody to help. I'm calling my my mom. Nope. She's working my aunt can't come No, I'm gonna try to figure this out. So I I set it up so that I gave her a bunch of caffeine What's it helps that helps with migraines? But she's not taking any painkillers because she's pregnant, right? so I did that and I'm like I have an interview to do this morning and I figured I set her up with the baby I have an interview to do this morning, and I figured I set her up with the baby, gave him food, she's got food, water,

the caffeine helped enough to where she can manage, and she's like, okay, go, so I'm like, shit, I'm late, I'm gonna try and make it over here. So I'm driving over here, and I'm already kind of stressed out and lack of sleep, and I tell you what, dude, I gotta say something. This is just my own experience, okay. The worst, most aggressive drivers are moms and minivans.

I swear to God, every time I'm driving here, I am driving here, and now it's when they don't have their kids in the car, okay? I'm driving, it's always a mom in the minivan, no kids. And so I'm driving here, and I have to get over, and I hate this, here's a big pet peeve of mine. There's space between me and the car be out, you know, back in front.

So I'm gonna change lanes. I put my blinker on. I hate it when people do this. They see my blinker on, they speed up. Cause they don't wanna let me in. Oh, you piece of shit. But anyway, I got in anyway because I moved already. But I can see your start to speed up.

You can valley driving in general. So then you know what this lady does? So she tries to speed up to close the gap, but I already got in. She's behind me. Thank God for that race car, huh? Oh, right. The Jetta would never make it.

No. No. No. No. No. You're a star when I smoked you. I can't even do it if you was in the Jetta. Oh, no, no.

I put my foot out the window. So I get in, right? And I could see her looking at me in my roof room, and she's got this like face, I'm like, I'm down there, okay. So we go up to the freeway. She's probably having a day, dude. Bro, we get up to the freeway.

The on ramp has a very short, and there's a lot of cars. We're all getting on, because this rush hour, the on ramp has a short carpool lane, not long, short, and it's hour, the on-ramp has a short, carpool lane, not long, short, and it's for when the meter's on. This lady gets in the carpool lane with the big line, drives up as fast as she can, and it ends within 15 feet.

Almost pushes me into the wall. Wow. Cause she has to get in front of me. So I'm like, wow. So I let her in in front of me, and I'm looking at her, and I'm like, okay, I need to chill out. Dude, I want to fight some mom. What am I gonna do? Dude, but it's always a mom in the mini-vents. Like crazy, be crazy, dude. Let it be over there. Oh my God. We're going to right now with Max. I mean, part of me is happy we're

getting to the bottom of it, but then at the same time too, I'm super nervous about my son going under like that's not gonna be Exciting at all like we got next week. We'll be putting them under to do surgery Yeah, you said it was because his ears aren't draining so well two things right? So it's the I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right. It's your your adenoid. Yeah, okay So you're is that say is my saying it right ad adanoid, AD, ADE, NOID, or whatever, is like, yeah, is swollen. And because of that, it also causes him to his back of his ear drums not to drain the water out

and it sits in there like that. So we went and saw a specialist finally, right? So this is our fourth ear infection that we've had. And so finally, we went and saw a specialist. And it was crazy, because Katrina said, as soon as she walked up Is she's like oh he's got a swollen adenoid and she didn't even look at him yet and she's like huh? She's like yeah, does he does he draw a lot and she's like oh he draws like crazy and she's like has he had as he had slow is

Having trouble with speech and she's like yeah, no, we've had a speech therapist and everything she's like Oh, yeah, she's like I can tell already before I even looked at it. Because that affects how we hear people talk. Yeah. Well, so I guess the way and so and I have to we at Katrina and I have two friends who both have kind of gone through this and then also had the surgery for the kids and that the tubes put in. And I guess it's like crazy. You know, all right, we're kids or you see those those stories where someone couldn't hear forever. And then also, and they can. Oh, I can't. Do those make me cry?

I know. So I guess it'll be like that for him. She's like the day you do the surgery, he will all of a sudden start talking normal because he's, everything he hears has been hearing this entire time. He can understand everything. So it's muffled.

It's all underwater. She goes, that's what he's hearing is underwater. So his speech has been off this entire time. Like, and the speech therapist, when we saw a speech therapist, she discontinued with us because she's like, oh, he's fine. We only can, she's like, you can continue if you want with us. But they, at they thought, oh, he'll just start speaking later on. He's just waiting because cognitively, she's like, he's there. He totally understands everything. So we don't see anything with that. Any problems. It's just that he hasn't started communicating. That's what the speech therapist thought.ognitively she's like he's there he totally understands everything so we don't see anything with that any problems It's just that he hasn't started communicating

That's what the speech therapist thought but they didn't know any this was going on right? So now the specialists is like oh know what it is is that he is the way he's pronouncing things is the way he's hearing it So when he's talking and communicating with you guys he thinks he's pronouncing it correctly because that's how it sounds Sounds to him. So she's like, and you will notice it right away. It's gonna be transformative for you. Oh, it's gonna be totally trans. So I mean, I'm excited to get to the bottom of it.

We're gonna be able to fix it. Yeah, it's nerve-wracking. But yeah, just the thought of my son going under. Oh, I can't. He's such a young age. Oh, that sucks. Katrina didn't know I was gonna be. Thank God for modern medicine for certain things, right?

I mean, that's a classic example. And I know I had a lot of people, you know, oh, you could go see a chiropractor for this or maybe try some diet, things like that. And I guess it's common that it starts there. And this is something that like back when we were kids, they weren't really aware of this. And what would happen is I guess bacteria would build up

and then it would work its way into tonsils and then people would end up getting their tonsils for us. And but all the things you start saying, I'm going like, God, this sounds like me. Like I was a big drooler. I had to have my tonsils removed. Like I have all those issues. So I'm like, I wonder if I had the same exact,

same exact condition. Interesting. And I had, and a lot of those people end up getting allergies for, because of the inflammation that happens in the, I know it, so I had no idea. And I'm like, God, I wonder if I had the same condition. They just didn't know to look for it or pay attention to it when I was a kid.

And so, yeah, I'm excited to get it addressed, but boy, it's been, I mean, this is all why he continues to get sick so much too. So he's extra vulnerable to getting sick because of all this too, because his constantly his mouth is wide open when he's breathing. Like, so.

Oh, poor kiddo, I know. What sucks about that, what breaks my heart is that, when they're that age, they can't necessarily communicate what's happening. Oh yeah, no, you, so you don't know. Yeah, you know, you have no. He can't say to you, hey, it sounds muffled or it sounds like he doesn't know,

he doesn't even know himself. I know, it's gonna be wild to see. I can't, that's too much, I can't do it. That's gonna, I watch those videos and it destroys me. And those are kids I don't know. I don't even know those, you know the ones where they put, they put the glasses on them and the kid all of I can't do it. I watch those videos and it destroys me. And those are kids I don't even know. I don't even know those. You know the ones where they put the glasses on them

and the kid all of a sudden can see it. Yeah, yeah. This is the first time I know. Bro, I literally, if I'm scrolling and I see it, scroll by real quick, I swear to God, it was amazing. I can't do it. Well, I just can't even think too.

It just, it makes me think like, what a good kiddy is, the fact that he's got all this going on and he's still in happy all of a sudden. He's such a good kid. I know, it's like, and yet he and he's still in happy. He's such a good kid. I know. He's the most joyful little boy. Feeling he's underwater all the time and like constantly fighting fevers and fricking headaches.

I'm sure like, yeah, poor dude. Oh man. But I mean, we know now and we know what to do to solve it. And I mean, Katrina thought I was gonna be all anti it and not wanna do it. And I'm like, no. No, it sounds like a fix. Yeah.

It's, it is. And the both, she's like, it's so crazy because she knew she had two friends that had already gone through this and they did the tubes and the ear and everything. And she actually never thought to ask him, like, oh, did you notice the difference in their speech? And both of them, like, oh yeah, like,

it's the same day, you'll see a difference. Like the same day, he will all of a sudden, they said that the specialist said that, we even have to be careful on like music. Like if we play a lot of music, stimulating. Yeah. Oh, because he can't process. It's not that well. Yeah, she goes, don't be surprised if, you know, the school calls and you have to come pick him up because he's crying because he might be overwhelmed by how much he's going to be able to hear. Because he's so used to everything being so low and muffled

that when it takes a second to get used to. Yeah, so just keep that hard. He's so young, his brain adapts so fast. Yeah, I mean obviously we're not gonna blast music right away on him and he'll have a couple days before he'll go back to school. Have a nice and quiet at the house. Yeah, so I think we'll be able to acclimate and run away. I think he's probably just gonna be so excited to probably hear his parents and hear everybody like normal, you know. Wow. Can't imagine like listening to all you guys, if you guys hear his parents and hear everybody like normal, you know? Wow. You can imagine like listening to all you got, if you guys were always talking in, it sounded like he was underwater.

Yeah, Charlie Browns. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it's funny because sometimes I feel like that's how he's talking. He talks like that Charlie Browns out. That's what he's doing. Like I'm his dad, so I get what he's trying to communicate to me,

but the very few words he says really sharp. Like most everything he says is like a little muffled all the time and I can put it together like what he's saying. But I was telling Katrina just like I'm like, you know, I'm really wondering when he's so smart, he understands everything, you know, he's talking to us right now,

when is it gonna really come together? I'm like, oh, maybe my son's just gonna be a little bit later, you know? And it was actually when you sent the video over, you're saying I'm like, God, look how well a really is is already pronouncing words. I'm like he's so much younger than Max and Max is not pronouncing those same words that clear. Maybe I that's where I really started pushing Katrina to like Let's look at it look into like why he's not there. I know the speech. Thank God you did that dude. Yeah, because this could have gone on a long Time without you realize her and and and and repeated and about his friend

Yeah, and that's really what promoted this was the antibiotics, because I was like, I don't want to keep put them on that. I don't want to keep put them on the antibiotics. Her friend went through 14 ear infections before they found. 14? Yeah.

And Max is on four, that's why we're already on four already and we're like, dude, I do not want to go through 14 ear infections before we finally saw this. Wow, well, that's, well, thank God, man. Yeah, you think that answers now? Yeah, next week. So, you know, thank God, man. Yeah, good thing you got answers now. Yeah, next week. So, you know, everything hopefully goes well. And then, you know, I can't wait to see

what he's like afterwards. Really interesting. Wow, and you guys were on the same page with that too, which is good. Yeah, I, I, I she thought I was going to be the one who was going to be all anti. And I'm like, no, are you kidding me? I was like, get it in it.

She's like, well, you don't, do you want to wait first and try this? And I could go research the chiropractor or we could try some holistically, I'm like, fuck that, this poor guy. He's been dealing with this for this long. I'm like, fix that shit, you know? And I guess it's, I mean, they're under for like 30 minutes,

you know? It's not long. Doug, you went through this, right? With Rihanna, really? You remember how young she was when she went under? Oh, yeah, she went under for other reasons, but she was, the day she was born, she went under. Oh, wow. And then a year and a half after that,

she had some adhesions and she couldn't have any flow through her body. So she was throwing up everything. So they had to go back in and remove the stuff like this. I don't know how parent like I, I, it affects me so much. A little cough. Sometimes I think you get a lot of work about my kid that I do. If I tell you anything, I think I'm going to sales messaging me every 15 years. She's been under four times. It could be this, I know he goes at Google's

like fucking right afterwards, I get like, make sure it's not this, make sure it's not that. I just hate seeing kids, you know, not feeling good and stuff, man. It crushes me. That's crazy. Hey, I read an article about speaking of couples and stuff.

Most common silly fights that couples have. Silly fights? Yeah, so common silly fights that couples have. Silly fights? Yeah, so common silly fights. And they're all the stereotypical ones. It was actually pretty good article. It's gotta be like, one of them has to be about directions. You hit it. Yes, that was one of them.

Getting directions. Temperature. That was the number one. But, it's the last night we were fighting over the temperature. It's the three. Yes, dude. And it's a silly fight, right?

It's not like a real fight. I'm just like, it just happened so often it's a silly fight right. It's not like a real fight like we're I'm just like it just happened so often It just becomes yeah Well, so the way we have our our our bedroom setup is Which I think is not normal right isn't it normal for the the man to be at the closest to the door Isn't that like if the truth comes in? Typically yeah, like you want to be the well first one so like it most houses that's I've been that way in this house I'm on the other side and they're I'm on the other side though because that's, I've been that way. In this house, on the other side, and they're, I'm on

their side, though, because that's where all the windows and then the door. So if an intruder comes in, Katrina will slow them down while you get ready to. She was funny about that is I usually end up picking the side. If I'm like standing at a hotel, like, I'll stay away from the door. I mean, it realized I was doing that some consciously. So I started because I was like, well, I'm normally stabbed. And I'm because I was like, well, you're really in stabbing.

So you got, I'm really good about recognizing that. But in this house, it just happens to be on the opposite side. It's where all the windows and the cool air comes in. And so I sleep on the opposite side. Now, the problem with that is, so I sleep with them open. And then the door, I have open, like we have upstairs balcony, where we crack open the door and the wind is I love it it feels beautiful blowing in there problem is our neighbors if they and they

watch TV to like one in the morning every morning and they have a big screen TV and they have those they have a big one of those like sliding doors like there's their whole house on the side is all window or glass and so light comes. So light comes through and it's and because the way the door is angled, it only hits her. It doesn't hit me. So she constantly. So I get start the night off always open wide open, let the air come in and so that. And then she normally tries to wait till I fall asleep and then I know she closes it, but a lot of times I'm not asleep. And so she'll get up thinking I'm asleep. And I'm like, hey, what are you doing? So I can't sleep, the light.

We go back and forth. It's too hot, I'm gonna have to leave. I had an uncle that put a lock box over the thermostat. He literally put a box with a little padlock on it because the ultimate move, right? Hey, Minnie's kids and his wife would fight over it so much that he had the, and he's the only one with the kids.

I told stories before, I think I've shared on this podcast. I think the bull. My stepdad, when we were kids, was such a Nazi about this, dude, that if we, us kids would be, I mean, wintertime, we were freezing, summertime we were sweating balls.

Like we, and it was for money reasons, right? Like our parents did not want it like, ever run either way. We would have money over little things. You'd get up as we get, like a teenager, young preteens and teenagers we'd get up and like you know, be freezing and winter and be like go turn the thermos app up like two degrees and you'd hear

a poop jump out of bed right away. Open up there. Who turned on the thermos app? It's like god damn, we moved like one degree up dude. Just trying to get a little bit of heat Dad for going to sleep and dad spider senses. Oh my god. My grandparents were the best about this. My trying to get a little bit of heat dad for going to sleep and dad's spider senses. Oh my god. My grandparents were the best about this.

My grandma and grandfather were a little bit, are you cold and they would go get blankets and jackets for us. So we'd be in the, we're dressed like we're outside, isn't that how? So okay, so I don't, I don't understand then why Chile has not figured out a commercial for this because I feel like, oh bro, it's the neighborhood.

I bet you they've saved so many marriages. 100%. It is like, it's definitely saved. Because if you, here's the thing that, you know, there's a funny commercial there. There is a thing to do that. And if you, okay, so people don't know it's a pad that goes under your, it's on top of your mattress

under your sheets and it uses water to cool or heat. And it literally almost negates your heater or your air conditioning. If your bed is cooler warm because of that, that you can turn everything off. And it makes that big of a difference. So it would save money and I think you're right. I think a commercial showing how it saves couples.

Well, I'm interested, I did look. And they had the chili blanket too. So it's like, it has a little bit of weight. It's like 15 pounds or something that like, just feels like those gravity blankets. And they still do the cooling through there with the tubes and everything. So it's like, yeah, it keeps the temperature.

So it's like you get from bottom and the top if you want to like maximize. That's gonna be you. I'm like, dude, I have to do that. I just can't say much. Yeah, because of course, I still tries to get the duvet or whatever the fucking French name for Hotass Blanket is. You know, I like, dude, get this thing off of me,

dude, it seems way too much. It just generates heat. It's a duvet. Honey, get the duvet. No, ours is, we keep ours so different. I mean, I'm at this cold as it gets, which I think is like 55 or 52, and Katrina's got hers at like 90 something.

So it is like, dramatically different. We're in bed and Jessica's in a robe. So she's wearing like a thick robe, plus all the blankets. And I'm literally almost naked on top of everything when my legs out and feet out of it. You know whatever. You know, one of the best times for our relationship

as far as the silly argument was when she was pregnant and they went through the hot flash and she went to like her first trimester, she went through like all these hovels and I remember her being like me. And I'm like see, this is how I feel every day. She is, she's like, oh you feel pregnant? You're well not quite.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right, that's exactly what my group, I'm sure you should have that blue. You lost that argument. I'm sure I still lost. Not that uncomfortable. But I mean, because I think for the first time ever, she realized how uncomfortable you feel when you just run hot.

And I'm like, I just run way hotter than you do most of the time. And so, and you can only strip down so much. You can bundle up. You can get in a robe and put three blankets on and shave everything. Yeah, tell me where you go all the way, dude, it's still gonna be hot. But you can only peel down so much and if the room is hot and you run hot,

you're speaking of silly sort of conversations like that. Have you guys ever had that weird debate over what you're gonna do when you die? Like you can be cremated, you can be buried, you can do all this and like you come up with like ideas. So there's an idea out there. So where do you talk about this? I was just thinking about this yesterday.

Dude, you can take, so I know yours is hilarious with like the whole like having a party and all that and like praying year round. I wanna do this dude, like you could take your ashes, get cremated and you could turn it into a vinyl record. Wow. That you could just like, have played like forever. So if you could do this, like, what?

What would you put on the record? What would you do? Yeah. I wouldn't put, I wouldn't put music. I would put me saying something. Yeah. So my kids could play it, and you know, it's me. Well, yeah, you could, maybe you could do that,

but also have like some of, like, the ultimate playlist. Yeah. Yeah. I'm all sent to Mitchell just like, Maybe you could do that but also have like some of like like the ultimate playlist I'm all sent to Mitchell just What I put me like to like also you know enjoy it like hey there's grandpa's tunes, you know wow I don't know man. I don't know if I'd want to be cremated either. I think I don't think I want to be cremated Oh, you get buried. I think so you're buried. I don't want them to re-enact your cremated to right. Yeah me dog. What do you I don't care? Doesn't matter to me. Oh, well you're like roll the dice. Well, I mean I'll swallow Yeah, whatever's cheapest and we're doing Shop me up and eat me out here. Wow. Can we see the budget plan? Please?

Doug really did cares it. Well, whatever's cheapest. That's what we're doing We're gonna turn you into a dumbbell. We'll sell it on the Doug really did care so whatever's cheapest that's what we're doing. Three minute you and turning you into a dumbbell, we'll sell it on the ground. Five dogs ashes in the dumbbell. You know what actually made me think about the bearing thing I was watching. Do you guys ever watch David Letterman's interviews on Netflix?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pro, if you guys have not gone through his latest seasons, he's so, I mean, for me, it's like, it's half one of the best interviewers. It is. It's like educational for us. I mean, it me, it's like it's half the best interviewer. It is. It's like educational for us. I mean, it makes, when I listen to him interview, I'm like, God, I want to get on that level.

He's so relaxed and he's been doing it for so long. Right, right. He is a pro. Well, he's so, I watched him back in the day all the time. He's so, and his ability and range of the type of, I mean, he could have Cardi B on, he could have Obama on. I mean, he could go any direction with type of peop, I mean, you could have Cardi B on, you could have Obama on, I mean, you could go any direction with type of guest and make them feel so comfortable and relaxed and-

Why don't you think about dying? So there was a, no, there's a, he did, I was listening to the one with Cardi B and he actually took her to a Roosevelt house and they have like this beautiful property and they have the house all still staged of what it was like when he lived there and that. And he's buried on the property. And I actually never thought about that before. Like if I could keep a property in the family forever,

that's like this beautiful property. And I had, that's the only way I'd want to be buried, is if it was like, I'm the only one with Katrina on the property and it's like a family big home that stays in our family forever and that they Maybe grow like a fruit tree on top of you so that roots go in and then yeah, I don't know about that delicious Yeah, I don't pick it out of apples Right back to the garden of Eden these apples taste that's what made me think about it was I was watching I was watching

Why are these apples so booties? Stop telling people that I'm just direct I like that idea though on the property yeah that's so if I were to be buried I wouldn't mind being like in a place where you know the family still comes and visits and then we kept playing just Haunt them every now and then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it reminds me of that joke. You remember that joke where these two guys like your best friends And they're like hey if one of us dies first We got to come back and visit the other guy and one of them does die and he visits you visits the other guy in a dream

And he's like what's it like man? He goes oh, it's wild man. He goes like just green fields as far as you can see and he's like, what's it like, man? And he goes, oh, it's wild, man. He goes, like, just green fields, as far as you can see. And he's like, I just eat and hang out all day. And he goes, that's kind of weird. I didn't think heaven would be like that. And he's like, no, no, I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana.

I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. I'm a cow in Montana. You can't really set that. You could have, you could have 10 out of 10 for that one.

Listen, this is a crit out of 10. Is this real dog, I'm reading this right now on the TV here. It's real, it's real. They're giving away seven pounds of meat when you first sign up for butcher box right now. That's like your arm. Ribbys, drumsticks, and burgers, seven pounds. So it's, it's ribbys, drumsticks, burgers,

seven pounds worth for free in your first order of Butcherbox this is a great deal, especially you know how expensive meat is right now. Yeah, what a crazy Give it and there's no contract right you sign up and you can pass out. Yes correct Every one so technically you could take advantage of them if you want to cook some ground beef together this last weekend You do it with a special moment. Yeah, it's a together this last week. You do. It was a special moment. Yeah, it's to be sure. So what you guys made?

No, so I had, I have this like generic dish that I always make and Doug put his little spit on that sauce. So, that's fast, that's fast. And the bar. Do you go? He just did, he just did. No, it's a go-to dish, ground beef, mushrooms, diced up onions, and then just rice.

And I normally just like season. How does it mean you meet that? Yeah, and then just rice. And I normally just like season it. How does it mean you meet that? Yeah, and I just makes it with like a Montreal seasoning or what I thought. But Doug gave me this, is it a Thai paste? No, it's Korean. Korean paste. Yeah, go to Chang.

Is this the one that you did the time, the Korean ribs? No, that's different. Okay, yeah. Everything he makes is good. I know. Well, he did two things different to my recipe and just made it. Oh, and then we also, we crack, actually there's three things that he two things different to my recipe and just made it. Oh, and then we also we we crack actually

There's three things that he did way better to my recipe was much better than when I make it One was the the Korean paste that he added to it Then he changed my rice to sticky sushi rice and then he put the over easy egg and he Talked me. I didn't so okay. I'm terrible at making eggs like it I can make scrambled eggs No problems. That's my jam. But over easy eggs are hard to make like you know the flip I always flip you put a lid I didn't know that yeah, I did you know see me make I make 12 eggs in the morning when we're up there No, no, I know I try to avoid you with food Yeah, that's the way you do you put You put a lid, a see-through lid,

so you can see them, and you don't have to flip them. Yeah, I had no idea. You had water when you did that? Tiny bit. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of steam them. Yeah, I did not know this. I love egg dough.

Shame on me. Over easy, over medium, my favorite. Yeah, so then we made that dish, mixed all together, put that paste in there a little bit, and then put two over easy egg dough. Oh, and then the yolk goes in there? Yeah, oh, that sounds good. It was bomb.

I mean, I already liked that dish, but with Doug's adding two, it would make it super bomb. So hold on, is this sale going on with them because of Moriel Day? Is that what's going on? Honestly, I don't know when it ends. Let me see if I can find out. You know, we have a Memorial Day sale going on right away.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Huge one. Yeah. It ends on the 12th of June. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Huge one. Yeah. Yeah, ends on the 12th of June. Okay, so passing Memorial Day. Are you talking about butcher boxes? butcher boxes.

Yeah, okay. How long's our Memorial Day sale go? I think it's until June 1st. Now, now let me make, I want to be clear and we can edit this out if I'm wrong. I don't want to steer people the wrong way. It's 50% off all programs. Everything. Not all bundles.

No, all programs. Yeah. Yeah. Every single program 50% off until June 1st, okay, so we don't do this kind of a sale except for maybe Black Friday or something like that So it's huge and then what's the code there MD 2020 2022? Yeah, so if you go to maps fitness products calm any maps program you'll get 50% off with the code MD2022. And again, we only do this usually for Black Friday. So this is a pretty big deal.

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use the code MindPump10 for 10% off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Greg from Texas. Greg, what's happening, man? How can we help you? So Greg. Hey, how's it going, guys? Good.

Hey, so I recently listened to your podcast with Stephen Cabral. And so I indulged myself and did the test. I did the hair follicle test, the blood test, and the urine tests. And I got my results back about two weeks ago, and I met with my health coach last week. Just a quick rundown of my fitness journey. I've really gotten into it about five years

ago, I always play sports growing up, but never gotten to serious weight lifting or doing any type of gym work. I was just athletic and general just an outside kid. But since getting into it, I lost about 70 pounds initially. I was originally 230 and then I dropped all the way down to 156. Then I started big, bringing my weight back up to at least 190 to 200. I'm six foot, I stayed at 205 today. But the concerning thing that I saw getting my test results back was that I am a low oxidizer, which I didn't understand I'd never really heard before. I kind of went over with my health coach.

What that meant, and she said, this kind of means like a slower metabolism. She gave me some foods and fruits and vegetables that I should specifically be eating because what it meant was that my body wasn't digesting things properly, so I needed to give it what it needed. And I guess typically with the low oxidizer,

it requires higher carbohydrates. So you're looking at like a 60% 2020 ratio for what you're taking in, and that my body right now isn't breaking down proteins correctly due to a mold infection that they discovered in my digestive tract. So I'm working with them to do the cleanse and get that taken care of. So my question today is, what should my focus be on? If I'm still trying to build muscle, should I even try to attempt to build muscle right now with my protein ratio being still low in me needing to focus

on having carbohydrates to have more sustained energy. That was the main reason why I took the test was I had been experiencing so many lows in energy recently and it turns out that I'm just not eating enough carbohydrates to give my body the proper energy. So yeah, that's my question. Sixty-twenty-twenty, by the way, is not you're not low, you're fine. Yeah. Percentage-wise, that's a pretty normal diet. Yeah, so the way I not, you're not low, you're fine. The percentage wise, that's a pretty normal diet. Yeah, so the way I understand oxidizer, I remember by the way, back in the day,

we used to do these questionnaires to determine if someone was a fast, moderate or slow oxidizer, and essentially that basically means how quickly you convert food into energy and I used to have this whole presentation around it. Anyway, they now have testing that's much more accurate.

And so here's the question I'm gonna post to you Greg, which version of you do you think is gonna build more muscle, the healthy version or the less healthy version? Obviously the healthy version, probably will build the most muscle. That's right, so when we give advice on the show eating high protein and doing certain things, we're talking to a general audience,

but if you put someone in front of me as an individual, sometimes my advice changes. I've had clients who do way better on a more vegetarian diet where the protein was much lower that what you might hear us recommend on the show because their digestion was better, they felt less inflamed, they had more energy. So because you're working with people who are working with you as an individual, you're working with experts who are looking at your profile, they're looking at your blood test, your urine, and your hair, they can give you individualized advice that I can't give you right now on the podcast.

So I would say, take their advice. Now, on the other end of that, you say, okay, well, how can I build muscle? How can I still focus that? Well, that's the workout part. You let us worry about that. That's our expertise. Now, it's still take their advice on that as well. They may tell you that you need to work out less intensely, more intensely or whatever. But as long as you send that muscle building signal, you train appropriately, the diet that you follow that they recommend to you that's better for your health is going to be the one that's going to contribute to the best gains and the best results. I think he understands that. I think the question is the last part you just said that he was

really looking for is should my like programming change because I'm focused on my health. I'm not eating as maybe high, high protein, I'm eating more carbohydrates. Does that mean I shouldn't be focused on building muscle? And so the short easy answer is no, absolutely. Still follow a MAPS program and still focus on trying to build muscle. The one thing that I would just caution is your health comes first here, right? And you're going to be getting advice from a nutritionist who's helping you along the way.

And to Sal's point, they may say, hey, you know, it seems like you're, you know, overreaching or training too hard and tensely. So you would just scale back. So that I wouldn't wreck it's like someone in your situation, like I would never say, go follow MapsPED, right? Like that would be terrible advice. You'd run something like anabolic or performance, maybe even aesthetic. And then I ran anabolic here recently and I did pretty well the first time around and that took a break and I started running it again and I just hit a wall.

It was hard for me to get past the first phase again because it just felt like I was going nowhere. I just kind of plateaued and again the whole energy aspect came into it. And obviously at the time when I was running it, I wasn't eating enough. I don't think to have sustained energy for the program. But I recently had bought symmetry, so I was wondering, like, if you think that would be a good program. That's fine. Great.

Great program. And you're addressing the reason, it sounds like you're really addressing the reason why you felt the way you did with Dr. Stephen Carroll's team. So symmetry is great. I would follow that. And if it feels like it's working, if you feel good, stick to it. Another program, I would say that might be good, it would be strong.

But I like Symmetry for you. I'd say stick with that and follow their advice, and I think you'll start to see things moving in the right direction. And by the way, we just finished the finalizing the contract last night or the night before, dug a night with Cabral and we are in the process right now of starting

the forum. So like we have a hormone forum, like we have our private forum, we're also now going to have a forum specifically for people that have questions just like this from Cabral's team. So that it's going to be managed by them. There'll be somebody in there pretty much around the clock answering questions. They'll come on there every week and do live live&A's. So that's coming for you guys. And it'll be a free service for mind-pump listeners to have access to that. So just know that's coming. That's awesome.

Cool. Awesome. Thanks, Greg. I hope that helped you. Oh, thank you so much. Excellent. Yeah, so I'll use an example kind of what I was talking about because I do think this is an important point to make. We've made it before, but I think it can't be stressed enough. You look at people in the extreme end of the diet spectrum, like Dr. Paul Saladino, right? He's a big carnivore advocate, I should say, where you know, eat mostly meat or all meat. No carbohydrates whatsoever, no fiber.

And for him, it radically improved his health. Now, generally speaking, a carnivore diet is inferior to a balanced diet when it comes to building muscle. There's tons of studies I show this that eating carbohydrates and fats and having a balanced diet is probably better or definitely better for performance and strength. But in his individual example, those were terrible for him because whenever he ate anything aside from me, he had an immune response, inflammation, reaction. So for him, the best diet to build muscle was the carnivore diet. So I'm using an extreme example, just kind of illustrate what I'm talking about. Where if your

health is bad, I don't care what you read or what you hear as a advice. If it's not working for you and you feel your health being poor, don't stick to it just because you heard podcasters and influencers and read a study on it. At the end of the day, your individual body is what counts, not what works for most people. Yeah, getting yourself healthy is the utmost priority always and that's why it's always going to shift in terms of whatever you're doing or whatever advice, general advice we're kind of putting out there. To the individual, what's going to move the needle the most is to have all of your systems working at its optimal

ability. And I like, and I was going to kind of suggest symmetry just because I always feel like if there's something you're working on health-wise, to also kind of slow down and take that time to address other things. So maybe it's like joint health and maybe it's like, you know, stability, mobility, things that like you would, you would totally not have as much fun doing, but he's low energy right now and it's something that he can kind of kind of focus and it tends to kind of mirror that process nicely. I like that advice because I got the impression that that's what really he was looking for.

I think he, I mean, I don't think we need to convince him anything about what he should or shouldn't do diet nutrition. I think he's on board with that. I think his big concern was now that I'm focusing on my health and really trying to get that in order, can I still try and build muscle, cyanotasic, or can I still train in a manner that would be advantageous to lifting and heavy and building muscle? I think that's where he was really searching for. I think the answer to that is, yeah, and but you still listen to your body, right? Like, anabolic, I think is great.

I think symmetry is great. But if you're going along and it's taxing and you're not recovering, like, then I would scale back on the intensity on that. But more than likely, with him feeding himself in this manner, he's probably going to feel better. He's probably going to feel great. Bill, more muscles start.

You start running. I was referring to the written part of the question where he's pretty specific and it's like, how can I build muscle with lower protein intake? How is this going to work when I'm eating so many carbs? That's why I wanted to address that. I know those people listening who may feel better on a diet that is not the quote unquote ideal muscle building diet. And they question it, wait a minute, you know,

I know I'm supposed to eat this way because I read about it, but I feel better this way. Am I gonna lose muscle? No, if you're healthier, you're in a better position. Well, the irony of that too though, is, I mean, a 60, 2020 is pretty much the standard muscle building diet that I would put somebody on. Yeah, so that's the ratios I put most clients on

unless they have a specific condition or they don't like that much carbs, they prefer a little bit heavier fat. But for the most part, a 60, 20, 20 is a very balanced, normal split and you can build tremendous muscle off of that. Our next caller is Rachel from Illinois. What's up Rachel, how can we help you? Hey guys, thanks so much for having me on today. You got it.

All right, you want my question? Yes, I will. OK, so I'm a full-time personal trainer. I've been doing this for eight years. And then I'm struggling right now because I'm full-time training in the gym, as well as teaching classes. And I'm virtually training people still coming off of COVID. Some people prefer to do the virtual stuff still.

And I'm struggling to get motivated to train myself. And I know your guys' background as trainers and stuff like that. I didn't know if you had any advice for someone like me who's in the gym all day, active and all that, but I just can't find the motivation to actually train myself. I like this question.

Yeah, do you want, is it just because you want to get out of work because you're in the gym, so you're like, I want to leave when you're done? It's more so, I think, yeah, like just to get out of there or just there's so many distractions from other people coming up and interrupting me if I get into my workout. And I don't know if that's voidable, but just kind of getting in my old routine, I used to train five days a week, break it up.

And now I'm struggling to even like get into a routine where I'm feeling like I'm actually building strength. I mean, I'm maintaining because I'm active all day, but I'm just not finding like that five days a week where I'm like lifting heavy or making any gains in general. I remember that. You guys remember that when you manage gyms and it's like you work out in the gym you worked in. Members would come up all the time. Yeah, people. Staff, that's why I love the over the ear, big headphone trend. Yeah, I love that. I love that. In the hoodie. Yeah, I love the over-the-ear, big headphone trend. Yeah, I love that trend. I'm in the hoodie.

Yeah, I love that trend came so he could hide. You know what I used to do, Rachel, is I used to work out at a different gym. So I would manage gyms and then I used to get interrupted because I'd work out and then I'd hear my name on the intercom, you know, Sal, it was the general manager, right? So Sal, up to the front desk, I have to answer question.

Member would come up to me, staff member would come up, and my whole workout would get ruined. So, what I used to do is I'd have my time to work out, which usually was from 12 to 130, and I'd leave, and I'd go work out at another gym. Now, you may not want to do that, but I would ask you, are there other forms of physical activity that you do enjoy besides working out?

Well, that goes along the lines of the tip that I was gonna give that I think has been crucial to the two decades plus of training that I've done is when I've been in this situation multiple times and what has helped me is completely shifting my focus or my goal. So what sometimes it's hard to get motivated to go back and do kind of the same thing that I've been doing for nine years of getting stronger, getting leaner, building some muscle. It's like how about radically shifting like your focus? When have I ever trained just to get a bigger vertical or to move faster or to be more mobile

or pick an exercise that you never do like a Turkish get up and get really good at it. Like, I think that helps fitness professionals. When you've done this for a really long time, sometimes the same old, lifting to be strong, lifting to look good, goal all the time, gets boring. Yeah, totally. And so I love when I get in a rut like this,

if I feel that way, I'm like, well, you know what, I feel this way, I'm so tired of chasing that same bullshit. I've already done it. I've already proved myself I can get hell ripped. I've already proved I can get hell strong. But you know what I haven't done? I've never got really good at a Turkish get up,

or I've never said, I'm gonna write a program to increase my vertical by six to eight inches and see if I can do it. Like, that has always helped me to get out of those ruts and to just kind of refocus and switch my goal. Yeah, totally to piggyback on top of that, I would get in those same mindset, but I would sign myself up for something else that I could learn a whole new technique, a whole new modality. You know, something that's like really stimulating that, you know, I knew I was going to suck at it for a while and I had to practice it continuously because then that drove me a bit more to incorporate that in the workouts

and then also, you know, who benefits from that as your client. Oh yeah, I was just gonna say it. So it's just one of those things, like there's plenty of those now out there and I've been looking at them a lot and I'm kind of, that's one of my one things where I'm like, ah, doing this is amazing but also if I was still just being a trainer, there's so many of those like modalities that are popping up out there that are so interesting. Like one of them's like landmine university.

I don't know if you've seen that yet, but look into their stuff, really, really cool what they're doing, but there's just a lot of examples of that that you can look and seek to enhance your education as well. Rachel, how do you still enjoy training people? Yeah, I love my job. That's the thing. And I love actually listening to your guys' podcast that come a came upon it like a couple months ago. And it's really helped me with new ideas

and just like information and stuff. So I feel like that way, like I'm learning new things to do, which I then do myself. So that's been really helpful. And I do like that idea. I enjoy all sports Being in the Chicago area the weather's terrible. So it's like Finding something I can do inside because you know, like I love to run But then again listening to you guys like running is like Listen listen, I want to be clear, okay? Running is better than nothing, it's better than nothing or doing nothing.

And also, look, you're a fitness fanatic, you work in the space. So, you know, it'll probably happen, you're running for a while, and then you'll probably be like, yeah, I feel like I want to lift again, or I want to do more mobility work. I mean, that's an amazing, by the way, it's a very good way to have your lifestyle around fitness

is to weave in and out of different modalities, different training methods. And then as a trainer, and this is why I asked you if you still enjoy training people, just in my favorite point, which is, as you do different things, you become a better trainer. You just do because you have different insights.

Not necessarily new information, you don't necessarily learn new info, but as you implement different things, you get more excited about them. You maybe notice things in your clients. For example, creativity. That energy and that creativity makes you a better trainer. So you might be stuck in this rut of this is how I should work out, but how you exercise. I mean, there's a million in one ways to do it. Forget about your goals for a second. Go have fun. I mean, there's a million and one ways to do it. Forget about your goals for a second, go have fun. I mean, there's absolutely nothing wrong.

Or just radically change the goals. And then part of the goal could be have fun. So it doesn't have to always, I think we always get, we always default to the Gatlin, you know, lose body fat or pill muscle. You know what I'm saying? That we always default to that as trainers and coaches, I feel like, and even like members,

it's like there's so many, this world of health and fitness is so broad. And I agree, I love Justin's point that he's making since we're talking to a coach. Like, man, go dive into something that you're really unfamiliar with. If you've never gone deep on kettlebells, go deep on kettlebells, you've never gone deep on landmine,

go deep on it, if you've never gone deep on mace bells, and like build your entire routine, go learn, take a certification, do your whole routine around that, and what you'll see is like, you're gonna find so many things that you're gonna be able to apply to all your clients. And I think it'll rejuvenate both your own training and then also what you're doing with your clients.

Completely. Now at the risk of potentially ingering at them, do you have maps Prime or Prime Pro? No, I didn't. I've been listening. Since I've started listening, I haven't. She's only been listening for a month or two, bro. All right.

Yeah. It's only the ones that have been listening for years that I've been listening for a while. All right. So I'm going to send you Maps Prime Pro, because I think that'll really benefit you personally, and then it'll benefit your clients. There's a lot of stuff in there that you might not be familiar with. So take a look at that. Maybe

they'll spark some, you know, some of that motivation, some of that inspiration. Thank you. I really appreciate that. That's great advice. No problem, Rachel. Thanks for calling in. All right. Thanks for having me. Thank you. You know, if we were to, if you were to compare like two different individuals, one person follows the perfect routine, but really doesn't enjoy it that much. The other person doesn't really follow the perfect routine, but loves what they do all the time over the course of a lifetime

who's gonna be more fit and healthy, right? So, and happier. And happier, so there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is when you, I believe it or not, the big problems happen when you stick to one thing all the time you never move outside of it, then issues start to develop. And also again, just like the previous question,

we communicate to a general audience, but talking to Rachel, it's like, okay, so what? You don't like to work out in the gym, go do something outside, go do something else. Nothing wrong with that. You're still active and as a trainer, it just makes you better. Our next caller is Aaron from California.

Aaron, how's it going? How can we help you? Good, how's it going, Jens? First off, just like to thank you guys for the opportunity to come on your show and ask a question. But I guess I'll just get right down to it. So I've been listening to you guys for about four years now. So I've, you know, I heard a whole bunch of different, you know training tips and things from you guys, but I first bought a program about the map starter a couple

of years ago that came with the maps prime program in it. And been kind of messing around with it. I didn't really get into it when I bought it about two years ago, because I had an activity military and had some training and a deployment that came up. They kind of took me away from my fitness goal. But basically what I'm trying to figure out is based off the maps prime program, I just bought maps for for once as well that I'm starting to run. And I'm trying to see, should I be using the separate workouts from maps prime zones, do like one zone per day and just focus on those priming exercises or would you guys recommend kind of picking and pulling from different zones

to kind of focus on trouble areas like if I've got shoulder mobility issues or ankle or knee or hip Just kind of what you guys recommend as far as Building a priming session before I go into a workout. All right, Aaron. So first off I want to thank you for your service, but let's get into your question here. So for someone who's listening right now, I'm not familiar with Maps Prime. Maps Prime has an assessment portion. It's called a compass test.

You do the test, and then that'll direct you in terms of what priming movements you should do before you work out, which will be correctional in nature. So I'll help you fire muscle a little bit, a little bit better. It'll help you get better recruitment patterns, get into the groove faster and really maximize the effects of your workout workout, right?

So did you take the compass test, Aaron? Yeah, so I did the three compass tests. And like I said, notice some kind of mobility issues to my back or my shoulder. I've got bad shoulder bad knees. So I assumed it was kind of a you know, focus on on the problem areas. If the workouts from that workout day are going to be you know the focus, but wasn't 100% positive. So yeah. So based on your test, that will direct you and tell you how many priming movements per zone you should do before your workout.

So I would do those priming movements from those zones that you did the worst in. So if you did like really bad in zone one, then you'll pick I think two or three priming movements from that zone. If you did really well in zone two, then maybe just one and so on. So that helps individualize it for your body.

And then what you do is you do the priming session before your workout. So if you're following mass performance, the first 10 minutes or so will be your individualized maps priming session and then you get into your workout. And then afterwards, if you have time, you do what's called the post priming session. And that's how it's individualized. And it'll work alongside with your body and essence. To add a little bit to that, because there, there's a good question for a lot of people that have have the program and have the similar type of question. Sometimes what happens is someone will take these compasses and they feel like miserably and there's like all kinds of issues going on.

In that case, I normally tell someone to pick, you know, maybe two areas to like really focus on. And every time you go in or like what you notice helps you move better, the best in the workout. And then we'll eventually work our way through the last. So I don't know how many areas that you solve issues in. So if you had like four or five things that you that were really glaring, I might pick just two of those and say, let's fix these two big rocks. Like let's say in your case, because you mentioned me right away

that comes to mind for me as like hip and ankle, right? Or you mentioned shoulder. So I'm looking at the shoulder mobility stuff, right? So I might pick two or three movements that one that helps your shoulder, one that helps your hips, one that helps your ankle mobility, and those become your staple priming movements every single time before you work out.

In addition to that, you want to get in the habit of doing that as much as you can, because we're working on mobility in a joint where you lack it, then it doesn't hurt to do that two, three, four times a day. So now that you have those priming move, the idea is I always do this before I lift. And when I'm watching TV or down, hanging out with the kids, or doing something like,

I'm always trying to do these little movements to improve. And this is where we kind of individualize it, because it depends on the severity of what you need to correct, right? So if you, and you'll notice like, the distance like, for instance, it took for you to get you'll notice like the distance like for instance, it, it took,

for you to get your hands to touch the wall or your elbows all the way back or, you know, and just in terms of your, your external rotation, your shoulder. So if, if, you know, depending on the severity of it, like, I would repeat those movements, like whenever you think about it throughout the day, like this is just one of those things. We're re-teaching the body that this is a priority to be able to maintain and hold this type of position and to get in this range of motion. So the more frequently you can do that and connect with it. This isn't about like intensity and this isn't an exercise where it's damaging. This is something that where you reprogramming your body to be able to form into these positions.

and this is something that where you're reprogramming your body to be able to form into these positions. Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense actually. All right, perfect. Glad we could help. Thanks, Aaron. All right, thank you very much. You got it. Yeah, if people really knew the value of proper priming, I mean, nobody, everybody would do it. Well, it's a little complex, right? That's why I like that question and I like addressing this because if you own prime and you've got a lot of issues going on, it could

be a bit overwhelming. You know, it could be like, oh my god, I've got, I've failed all three tests. Where do I start? What do I do? And do I do it before workouts? Do I don't even do another workout? And all I do is prime. So, and they're, and you know And it also presents one of the greatest challenges that we had building maps fitness products, right? Is we knew that there's such an individual variance that there's no such thing as a single digital program that's great for everybody. So it's like we took some core principles

that we know would help the majority, but the idea of this podcast, the forum, the community that we've built is to be able to give people access to these big rocks that we think they'll help them and then teach them how to modify it and mold it into. For themselves? Yeah, for themselves and their lifestyle. And we try and simplify it, right?

Because that was the biggest thing was, I know a lot of these movement assessments and from physical therapists and really brilliant people That was the biggest thing was like, I know a lot of these like movement assessments and, you know, from physical therapists and really like brilliant people that, and they're pretty elaborate. But it's like, how do you apply that? How do you apply that every day? How does this make sense to your everyday average person?

And so, you know, to simplify, we need to keep having these conversations to be able to give people to understand, like, there's a simple way to address it and move the needle the most. Our next caller is Aubrey from Nevada. Aubrey, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi, how's it going guys? First of all, I just want to start, like, saying thank you, just like everybody else.

I've learned a lot from you guys. It's helped with schooling and everything. So I really appreciate it. Awesome. I want to start kind of just giving you some background on my life. So I go to the University of Nevada, you know, I'm studying kinesiology and nutrition. I'm a senior. So I'm almost done. I have another year left. But I also work two jobs. So I work a full-time job, have about 16 credits usually on a typical semester, and then I also have a part-time job at a PT clinic. So I am very, very busy, so I get up around like 4.45

every morning to get to work at 5.30, and then I work pretty much till noon to 1 and then I go to school until around 3 and then I work at the clinic from 3 to around 7.30 to 8. So super busy and I'm just kind of wondering how to program around that. So I have a very unpredictable schedule, things like that. I've been trying to follow programs, some of your guys' programs, but it's just very difficult. So I'm just kind of wondering how I can program around that. And when I should prioritize like sleep and things, because I have to get up so early and if I go to work out sometimes after work, I won't be getting very much sleep.

Well, Aubrey before it, Sal, Stepson, and answers this. I won't be getting very much sleep. Well, Aubrey before Sal steps in and answers is I have a question for you. Have you had the hamburger tacos at Taco Shop? I haven't. Oh my God. I've never had a pro. What a sin. Yeah.

You have to always get some use in this town. It's downtown from you. Oh, okay. You said the taco shop? Yes. Okay, I'll have to go there. You will have to. It's a little alleyway. It's hard to find. Yes. Okay, I'll have to go there. You will have to. It's a little alleyway. It's hard to find. Okay. Look up, look up taco shop and

you get to go there and you get the hamburger taco. Cheeseburger. Oh, excuse me. Cheeseburger tacos. Cheeseburger. That's like, that's like a, that's like a, a bombination right there. Oh, American food. It's amazing. Hey, so, so Aubrey, first off, I want to say you're a champion. I mean, you, you, it sounds like you're paying your weight through the workload. You're learning a lot, you're working hard, like you are a champion. It's not always going to be like this until you have kids

and it'll be like this again. But I'll say this, okay, so sleep has got to be our priority. Okay, it has to be a priority because if your sleep goes down, your workouts don't matter anymore. So make sure you prioritize sleep. And I'll say this, you're probably better off following a workout program where you can throw in workouts

when you have time. In other words, not super scheduled. So what might be good for you would be a program like a map suspension, where you have suspension trainers hanging somewhere in your room or take them in your car. And when you've got 30 minutes, put them up and do some exercises. And that would be the way that I would do it because your schedule is crazy. I mean, you're literally, you know, 4.45 to 8 p.m. and that doesn't even include studying.

So it sounds crazy to me. And it sounds like you might have like one or two days off during the week, like Saturday Sunday, which you probably want to sleep most of the day. Yeah. I have Saturday, Sunday off and yeah, Saturday is kind of like my, I don't want to do anything day. And then on Sunday, me and my boyfriend basically meal prep all of our meals throughout the whole week.

So that way, I'm not not eating because if I don't meal prep, I won't eat. So we do that Sunday. And then those two days, I kind of don't even worry about trying to get into the gym because it's like I need those two days to just kind of reset. Of course. Yeah, you're I mean you're again you're a badass. I would I would get Do you have map suspension? No, I don't. I was I'm working trying to work through map symmetry right now. Because I noticed that I'm very unsymmetrical in my Side to set from my right side to my left side. So I've been trying to work through that, but like I haven't even gotten through a full

week and I'm supposed to be starting phase three this week. Well, if you want to follow map symmetry, then the way I would follow it is I would do someone you can and then wait for the next, yeah, in chunks. That's another way you could follow map symmetry. So I know it's laid out a particular way, but you have to modify it because your lifestyle is is. I mean, I so hectic. I like if I like maps and a ball, like one day a week and then suspension trainer sprinkled

throughout when you can through the week. So if I could if I could mold like a full body workout watch. Yeah, one day a week, you hit everything and just and choose the day that you feel the best. You got the best rest and you feel great. You make sure you get one good lifting full body routine at a MAP Santa Ballac. And then I would have that.

So I love the suspension trainer advice. I would have that tool at my house somewhere, strapped up to where, oh man, I got a little 15 minute window, or 20 minute window right now, and I feel pretty good, like I'm gonna go over there, or maybe I've been sitting studying for the last two or three hours. So I'm taking a break and move for 15 or 20 minutes.

I'll go get on my suspension trainer and do some moves on that. I like that, so if I were to customize something based off of what I'm hearing from you, I would love to see you train one day a week at a full body, maps and a ball of type routine and pick one of the three days every week whenever you can, fit it in there.

And then the other time, I love the advice that Sal gave with a suspension trainer. So that would be my good idea. My advice. Yeah, just break it in chunks. I mean, you're gonna get it when you can get it. And so you'll know what that looks like.

And if there's somewhere around where you can hang that strap at work or wherever you can get it, like, or do pull ups where it's available. So, I mean, rubber bands are good for this as well, but I like this, I like the advice of suspension. Doug's gonna hate me for this, but we're also creating something right now that I think would be perfect for you.

I know, man. I wish you could promote it. I know, man. I know, man. I wish you could promote it. Yeah, right. I'll see you in the same thing. Yeah, so we got something for someone just like you who has been thinking about your needs. Yeah. So for now, I think the advice that we're giving

and I'll hook you up with the program stuff. So I think that's a good place to start, but look out for what we got coming the next couple months. We'll send you anabolic and suspend. Do you have anabolic? I have anabolic, yes. We'll send you suspension. We'll send you anabolic and suspend. Do you have anabolic? I have anabolic, yes. We'll send you suspension. We'll send you suspension.

By the way, so what are you gonna be a physical therapist is that we wanna do? Yeah, so I'm sending Kinesiology right now at UNR and then I'm minoring a nutrition. And then hopefully, I'm gonna start applying to PT school this year because I graduate next spring. So hopefully I can get into PT school by next fall. Look into Luna. Okay. Luna is a company that allows physical therapists to kind of moonlight like Uber.

And really awesome way less paperwork. You actually make more money too. And it's it's totally changing the physical therapy industry. So look into Luna. It's a great company. Yeah, I think I remember that episode you guys talked about that and I was like, that's a good idea. So look into Luna. It's a great company. Well, yeah, I think I remember that episode you guys talked about that. And I was like, that's a good idea. So. Thanks, Aubrey. Thanks for calling it. Yeah, best of luck. Thank you guys. You got it. You know, I will say this, right? It's, uh, it's not ideal to live your entire life this way where you're like just grinding all time. But I will say this is a phase. The time to do it is when you're that age, you don't got kids, you don't have those responsibilities. And this is when it's a good time

to see what you're made of and to push yourself and to set yourself up so that later you don't have to do so much, right? Oh yeah, no, it's the most ideal time to really push and grind and establish that foundation that then you can kind of pull yourself out of. That being said, when you guys say push and grind, I'm thinking push and grind on all these things that she's having accomplished the gym should try and compliment correct

Yes, right? So I think that's the mistake that probably I made at this age you grind everything right you grind everything It's like no sleet in the same shit like sleeps overrated. I'll do it when I'm dead shit like that It's like so you're you're also smashing it at the school dance So you're also smashing it at the school dance. Yeah, you guys stop doing that. You're grinding everywhere. And this is a perfect example. For example, she's killing it in so many other aspects over live that the workout piece,

you actually don't want to take the same probably approach and mindset as you have it and all these other things. And you should be thinking more, what can I do to compliment? Well, it should always be that way. Your exercise routine should always be designed or applied in a way that improves the quality of your life

in the current context of your life. How can I work out in a way to make my life better right now? And that means your workouts are gonna change as your life changes. Yeah, but somebody at this age, sometimes we'll misinterpret that feeling of like pushing in the gym as like, oh, we mean sometimes, but somebody at this age, sometimes we'll misinterpret that feeling of like pushing in the gym as like, Oh, we mean sometimes, but most of the time.

And then what you don't realize is, and I'm glad you started with the like, the number one thing that we want to focus on is sleep first because then you sacrifice to sleep and then what you don't realize is how that kicks up cravings and then now how making good food joys is effective. Yeah, right? And you're adding caffeine.

That's right. And then you're adding caffeine and then you're caffeine and then you're you're smoking crack in the back alley. Wow. It's just escalates. Just so you don't want to do that. Real fast. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at MindPumpMedia.com. The RGB Superbundle includes maps and a ballac, maps for performance, and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased, expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels, and performs. With detailed workout blueprints in over 200 videos, the RGB Super Bundle is like having

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