Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1826: How to Kick Start Fat Loss Without Cutting Calories, What to Do When Strength Goes Down Instead of Up, How to Do Strength Training in a Class Setting & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:25 Oh shit, Doug, you know it's my favorite time of the week. It is. It always is. So we have two winners for Apple podcasts and zero winners for Facebook. The Facebook people decided not to review this week. The Apple podcast winners are Heather Elizabeth 0623 and Zoe C86.

Starting point is 00:02:44 Both of you are winners. Send a name I just read to iTunes at minepopmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. And two at a eating is not instinctive eating. Don't confuse the two. You know, you know why I bring that up? Yeah, what do you mean by that? Because the proponents or the opponents, I should say, of intuitive eating

Starting point is 00:03:07 are always like, what is intuitive eating? Like people don't intuitively know what to eat or whatever, say, okay, you're confusing that with instinct. Yes, we don't instinctively just know how to eat healthy or whatever, building intuition in the way that we talk about with intuitive eating really involves a process of learning, how to read your body, learning what's in food,

Starting point is 00:03:29 learning the total values of food, and how your cravings happen, and what's causing cravings, and why you eat the way you do, type of deal. And through that process, you develop this, for lack of a term, intuition with food in the sense that you eat in a more balanced way. So sometimes eating a slice of pizza is healthy because at the moment you're feeding other things

Starting point is 00:03:51 besides your physical health, like maybe you're connecting with your friends or you just want to enjoy the evening with your wife. But most of the time you probably eat in a way that feeds your physical body in a healthy way, but the balance happens there. But you have to be properly informed and work through the process before you can get there. It's not instinctive. You might be in the education first. You'll be able to base that off of otherwise, you may just be tricking yourself

Starting point is 00:04:13 and it's all cravings that you're really seeking out. Exactly. In other words, if you're instinct suck, you have no business doing this. Yeah, well, in other words. Yeah, okay. If you're doing intuitive eating and you don't understand what you know, what foods contain

Starting point is 00:04:27 proteins, fats and carbohydrates, right? You don't understand how foods affect you entirely, like how it affects your moods and your energy, not just fat loss or weight gain or any of that stuff. How your cravings get triggered? Do I tend to eat when I'm depressed or sad or how do I use food in ways that maybe doesn't serve me? Like if you don't know any of that, you don't do that work. Well yeah, now intuitive eating is based off of what you know about food, which most people would know about food, what tastes good, what's convenient, and that's it. And you end up with the problem that we have now. Well it's a great place to end up. Like it's sort of the

Starting point is 00:05:00 pinnacle of all of the knowledge that you're gonna acquire going through the laborious process of paying attention, like reading labels, tracking calories, understanding macronutrients, and all of that work will lead into eventually not needing to be as completely attention to detail, unless you have very specific goals, which again, this is something you always wanna go back to

Starting point is 00:05:29 and refer to that to education. I really don't think most people belong here, at least not yet. No. I mean, I like to think 20 years of doing this, I like to think I'm a black belt in nutrition, right? As far as especially for with my own body. I have the average person you are.

Starting point is 00:05:50 Right. I like to think that, but I find it necessary that I even revisit tracking and weighing and measuring and getting back to that every once in a while just to kind of recalibrate. Because here's the thing that you have to keep in mind. Okay, so say you've figured out all these different signals and you've learned about your body and you've tracked long enough, you know what macros are, like you're at a place where you're a black belt, so you believe that I'm ready for intuitive eating.

Starting point is 00:06:19 But then your job changes, you know, or you've aged quite a bit, or your training is different. You're no longer training seven days a week, you're've aged quite a bit, or your training is different. You're no longer training seven days a week, you're training more like a father, or your goals are different. Once you start changing all those major variables, you kind of have to go back and recalibrate again. A little bit, right? But what sticks with you is,

Starting point is 00:06:39 you know what tends to make you feel good, what tends to make you feel bad, how you use food to medicate, for example, a lot of people are not aware that they use food in ways to Medicaid or distract. You see lots of people do the whole diet and then binge model afterwards. Why does that happen?

Starting point is 00:06:57 And people, oh, I just, I don't know, I'm so hungry, right? Not understanding cravings, for example. And the problem is that when you grow up in these wealthy societies, you learned to value food really for a couple of different things. Like how good does it taste? And how convenient is it? I mean, you ask anybody, you know, when you're with your friends

Starting point is 00:07:14 and you say, hey, what are we gonna get for lunch? What are you thinking about? What's gonna taste good? What sounds the most fun? Most people even know what real hunger feels like, because they've never gone for more than a day without food. And so what they think hunger is is cravings. And so yes, from that standpoint, intuitive eating would never work, because intuitive eating

Starting point is 00:07:30 is what people do all the time in America and it's making people super obese. But if you want to develop a sense of balance to where you can enjoy the occasional glass of wine or the occasional dessert, but for the most part, you eat in a way that's maybe considered classically healthy, but you feel good about it. It's what you wanna do. You don't feel like you're restricting. You don't feel like you're oppressing yourself.

Starting point is 00:07:52 You're not doing it from a self-hate position. Well, that's what intuitive eating basically means. It's stress-free. It's a balanced way of living. And yeah, you're not gonna eat. And now you're not gonna get 4% body fat with that. You're not gonna become a top level body builder or performance athlete with that.

Starting point is 00:08:09 When you get to that level, being balanced doesn't work. Being 4% body fat is not balanced. No. At that point, you gotta get a little crazy and follow the numbers and ignore the fact that you're probably not doing things that are healthy, right? Like eating too few calories or working out quite a bit.

Starting point is 00:08:25 But that's the confusion. When I talk about intuitive in people, some people get mad, what do you mean intuitive? Like you have to track and do a lot of stuff because nobody knows, you know, no, it's not instinct, obviously. Our intuition is based off of our limited knowledge and experience and awareness.

Starting point is 00:08:42 So if you expand your knowledge, expand your awareness, expand all those things and work on them, then you develop something that's more balanced to the point where, look, I'll give you guys an example. I never liked vegetables, never as a kid. Most kids don't like vegetables. I hated them, they weren't great. But through this process, I identified that well-cooked

Starting point is 00:09:00 vegetables really were beneficial for my gut health. I've on and off dealt with gut health issues for a long time. I identify like, man, this really helps my gut health. What happened through this process is that when my gut is off, what I crave is vegetables. I literally crave well cooked vegetables. That doesn't mean they taste as good as pizza, but I enjoy eating them just the same because I understand the true value. That's what intuitive eating or the way we talk about at least what that's

Starting point is 00:09:28 what it means. Oh, a similar experience. I mean, you have to build those associations that this is good for me in a different way than these other foods I naturally tend to gravitate towards. So I have to go outside my comfort zone because I know that this is helping my body become more healthy and therefore, you know, I'm putting a different association to it as I go to eat it, which then eventually kind of train yourself and your palate to enjoy that

Starting point is 00:09:53 because you know the benefits from it. You know, it's an interesting dance for somebody who's kind of just getting started on their journey. Of course. And they have no idea. Right. And they see the obsessive fitness person who is weighing and tracking and, you know, and they're like, I don't want that.

Starting point is 00:10:09 No. You know. And so this, this intuitive eating thing sounds so much more like where I want to be. But the truth is, you come in and you say you want to lose 30 pounds or whatever. I don't, I come from a camp or a a belief that ideally I want to, I want this person to track way and measure on our way to their goal. Of course. And during that process, I want to help them make those associations that Justin was saying, like not just, oh, the scale is going down, but how did you feel when we ate this way yesterday? Did you notice that your digestion was better?

Starting point is 00:10:44 Did you notice your stool was better? That's the awareness part, right? Did you notice your energy level? And while we're tracking and we're being consistent, as a coach, I'm asking these questions to help them make that connection, so that now when they reach their goal, I can remind them, okay, now we're gonna remove

Starting point is 00:11:00 these scales and trackers and get away from that. And let's try and really listen to your body. And because we've done that journey of being very diligent about what we're consuming and paying attention to it and being consistent to get to your goal, that person I feel is better prepared than somebody who comes in and says, I wanna lose three pounds,

Starting point is 00:11:20 but I don't wanna be like those fitness people that count and track and stuff like that. Well, it's like saying this, it's like saying, I've never played basketball before, but I want to, I want to know how to do a layup and I want to know the positions of the players and I want to know how to move in a particular way if I grab the ball. Okay, well, first you're gonna have to learn step by step, basics, right? Like, you guys played sports, I did martial arts, like I remember learning judo as a kid, I had to think about everything I had to do. I had to think about my foot position and the coach would get behind me and no, your foot goes here, turn your foot

Starting point is 00:11:53 that way, move your hips this way. This is where they're off balance. And for the first year, it was just like awkward. I had to think about it. Eventually though, it became intuitive. Eventually I sensed their balance. I sensed when a particular throw would work. And this is, I mean, athletes will tell us all the time, like you take a baseball player, and the balls coming at them, they instinctively, or I or intuitively know how to jump and move to catch them. Well, that's not gonna happen right out the gate.

Starting point is 00:12:18 Throughout the gate, you have to learn to step by step basics. All the steps, the mechanics, the way that you hold your body position, but then it's the reps. It's the continual reps that then eventually embeds itself in your subconscious. So that way, you've done it enough times where it's like you can actually start to navigate and make those good decisions because you've put all of those reps into where it's like it's something that's just like part of your formula. 100% and it becomes more stress-free. And you know, this is when you hear people it's like, it's something that's just like part of your formula. 100% and it becomes more stress-free.

Starting point is 00:12:46 And you know, this is when you hear people say things like, yeah, I stopped that diet because I just wanna enjoy my life. Wait a minute, very strange thing to say, right? Or here, come from someone who's in the fitness space. It's like, you stopped eating right so you can enjoy your life. Like, that's weird, because I know how much proper nutrition

Starting point is 00:13:04 and all the data will back me up. How much that improves the quality enjoy your life like that's weird because I know how much Proper nutrition and all the data will back me up how much that improves the quality of your life Oh and and its entirety Why was it that you felt the need to stop to improve the quality of life? Well, you're in a you were in it was a stressful situation for you. You were restricting you were This wasn't a natural way to be so that's what intuitive eating really is. But it's not, we're not animals that we are born and instinctually we know how to eat in a balanced way. It doesn't work that way. In fact, we've learned how to do it the wrong way for so long that this is a bit of work, bit of a process. This is this conversations remind me of I finished last night I finished the

Starting point is 00:13:37 Ricky D'Rivace standoff. Oh man. He went hard dude. Oh god, he would so hard, so good though. It was so good. Yeah, he did the obese one was rough, dude. Like he went after it for a minute. I thought, Oh my God, he's going to offend so many people. I can't it's only been not with a jugular of 24 hours or whatever right now. So I mean, as of the airing of this, it's probably been two or three days, right? But I can't wait to see if there's backlash. I think you said it, um, that, you know, when Netflix came out with that statement, like a couple of weeks ago. It was a preparation for them.

Starting point is 00:14:09 It was totally a preparation for that. I mean, as he's doing his thing, there must have been at least five or six different skits where he's like, well, this ain't gonna make the special. Yeah. Yeah, dude. You know, can I just, I think I've said this before,

Starting point is 00:14:21 but I wanna just really hammer it. Like why I respect and value comedians so much. People don't realize this, but it's true. Comedians do more for our free speech, our right for free speech than almost, than anybody else. They do it more than the media, definitely. They do it more than politicians for sure. And why?

Starting point is 00:14:42 Because first off, they push the limit, but second, and this is what's brilliant about comedy, because it's covered in humor, and it makes people laugh, they can get away with it. Like if Ricky Durace was up there making statements, right? It would be like much harder. Like, for people, yeah, nobody would really receive that well. Yeah, we need comedians so bad. And there was that, what was that old saying? Like, if you know the king has gone mad, if he kills the gesture, that's when he's gone crazy.

Starting point is 00:15:11 When they start to kill the funny gesture, right? Yeah, so I appreciate. Well, it honestly felt like, let's say we get in a time machine, we go like five, 10 years back, like probably 10 years at this point, based on where our culture is today, but just to sit and listen, 10 years back, like probably 10 years at this point, based on where our culture is today. But just to sit and listen, it really felt like

Starting point is 00:15:29 it was nothing changed in his delivery of every other special I've seen from him. And it's weird that you're like, oh wow, it's really brave. Yeah, it's just like who, he's just been consistent. Yeah. And I know Bill Mark kind of talked about this a bit too. It's like, well, everybody else changes in tips more to the extremes. Like, I've just said the same thing

Starting point is 00:15:49 over and over again. And it's like, I'm not going to change my value system just because the world's changing. Well, I get excited when I see it because there was just not that long ago where even the comedians I find I know weren't saying anything so I thought it was smooth. Now that and I really feel like, you know, Chappelle opened that door for a lot of people, right? And now we're starting to see him. Like more and more of these, the stand-ups that are coming out.

Starting point is 00:16:15 Oh, it seems like everyone that comes out is like to try and see who can go harder. Yeah, so they're sort of pushing, which excites me because I feel like what we, and I've been saying this in the podcast now for several years that, you know, I have faith in humanity that will come back. Like I think we were due for correction in a lot of areas. And I think that we over corrected

Starting point is 00:16:37 and we've seen that over correction for maybe the last five years. It's gotten a little crazy. And I now think that like, okay, when the comedian start like, said I'm doing, okay, this is a little ridiculous now. So think that like okay when the comedian start like set up to this little ridiculous now. So I feel like that's the beginning of like okay now we're gonna start. You know what I'm hearing from people in education?

Starting point is 00:16:53 Is that this new generation of kids coming up? I think you might even set this too Adam, that they're not like the millennials more or other ones after that. They're more like us. They're rebelling against that. And that's the great time. That's the cool thing about teenagers is they're just going to rebelling against the recent thing, right?

Starting point is 00:17:07 Yeah, the recent thing is like stupid, like, oh cool, let the new kids come in and they'll rebelling against that too. Just think about how overbearing and restrictive it is, like all of that, of course there's going to be rebellious kids that are like, don't tell me what I have, what I can and can't say. Like that's just been the theme of teenage angst forever. Forever. You know, so it's just inevitable that the more that you try to really stuff and suppress speech

Starting point is 00:17:34 in any direction, you're gonna get back laughed. Speaking of like, you know, when you talking about, I was thinking about when I was a kid or when I was younger, so although I was, I think it was in my 20s, how, when did the first Jackass series come out? Do you guys remember was that like 2000? It was after high school for me. So it was after high school late 90s or yeah, 2000 so we were like in our 20s early 20s So I mean, I funnily I have fun memories of the first Jackass, you know the series when it was MTV and I just watched 4.5

Starting point is 00:18:03 I know you brought this back. Yeah, bro, those guys. What did you think? That's a lot of dick stuff. I'd say that you know. And butthole stuff. They open it up by doing a hot sauce, anama. Yeah. With a bunch of guys.

Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah, they just pour hot sauce directly. And the funny thing is, they don't have nurses, they're doing it to each other. Like that's a little too far, buddy. Oh, man. That's not too far. Yeah. But it was, it was, it was funny.

Starting point is 00:18:27 It was watching these old guys do this kind of stuff on like, man, pardon me, respect them. Pardon me, like, dude, you guys, you guys, you guys, so that was 4.5. So that's like the extended like scenes. So I think that's different than, because I watched the movie, it was like, Jack asked for,

Starting point is 00:18:41 Oh, okay. It was on Netflix. Yeah, I haven't actually watched that one yet, but they opened it up with, like, Jack asked for whatever. Oh, okay. It was on Netflix. Yeah, I haven't actually watched that one yet, but they opened it up with like Godzilla. Chris Ponyus, yeah. We had the, like the Godzilla, he just turned his dick into Godzilla. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:18:55 It was like smashing buildings and things like. Yeah, you knew he was so crazy. No, so no, it didn't open this up. Yeah, that's how it opened. The opening is what I saw, the opening is what Justin said, is like the first like five 10 minutes is literally like a Godzilla dick.

Starting point is 00:19:09 You just see him laying like this and then they put like, they pay his dick and balls green. Yeah, they just, they just put like his whole city on top of it. They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they got strings to it. Oh, it's like, hey, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I, well, Doug, I'm with you. I, you know, I, you this right now. Hey, Doug, this is just, it's a movie. Well, Doug, I'm with you. I've never, I was never a big jackass fan. Really?

Starting point is 00:19:30 Yeah, I watched it all. Even your early 20s? Yeah, even, it's just, I don't know. I mean, okay, as a kid in high school, it was popular to do the crazy stuff. I think we've talked to Off-Air before about all the things. Eating ants and guys would do, you know, eat horseshit and do weird stuff. I mean, that was, there was always someone ate horseshit.

Starting point is 00:19:46 Yeah, the guy put it in someone, I think it gave him 50 bucks. I could do it. You put in like a jack in the box biscuit. No, he did it. You just so legend. Yeah. I mean, yeah, any buddy of mine, right? So there I was never that guy who I was just me either.

Starting point is 00:20:01 Yeah, I wouldn't do it. I thought I don't want to be cool that bad. Yeah, I thought it was crazy to watch people do it. So I wasn't drawn to it though, it was like whatever. So when the jackass thing came around, I mean, it hooked me enough to watch it, but I just, I don't get off the show. No, I used to die laughing.

Starting point is 00:20:18 But you know what you used to kill me? Remember when they hooked up the massive, it looked like a big hand, but like it hit you, it would like knock you out. And there was like, people will come around the wall, just coming to work. Hey, what's up guys? Boom!

Starting point is 00:20:30 It would knock me back. Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. There was that one guy, I don't know his name is, but he's the missing tooth. And in the version that I watched, they're interviewing them. Also, and he's like, I guess they did a scene in one of the previous Jackass's where they were all

Starting point is 00:20:44 in a room, they shut the lights off so it's did a scene in one of the previous Jackasses where they were all in a room, they shut the lights off so it's pitch black. The rest of the movie. The rest of the guys come in there wearing night vision goggles so they could see them and they just get the ship beat out of them. And it was like 30 minutes long in the dark and he couldn't escape and he said, I literally got, he goes, I actually got PTSD from that. Yeah, I'm getting all of them have had a form of it.

Starting point is 00:21:04 Well, the member they had the, they had the snake through in there. Yeah. So, remember, right before they do the lights out, they showed them the big old snake they got in the basket and then they knocked the basket over. Yeah, they took the lights out. Yeah, they took the lights out. And then they had like stuff animal snakes where they would be like throwing it on of a sudden.

Starting point is 00:21:19 Yeah, so they just can I tell you, this is the reason why I never got into prank wars with my friends because I know what Happens they don't end yeah, and then the rest of the school year you're looking over your soul. Oh, yeah, you're looking over your shoulder You're like what okay? What's that? You know those always ended a fight like that that happened at my school all the time like that we would get into that I went too far. Yeah, so we'll go too far and then like destroy property or something I mean I got into a fight over one time. I remember the guys that would be funny. I was, this is when I had just cut my car

Starting point is 00:21:49 and I was parking it and someone thought it would be cool to shoot paintballs at it. And you're, are you car? Yeah, dude. Oh my God, I'm so excited. So you just thought of it. Yeah, that's terrible. That's not funny, bro.

Starting point is 00:21:59 What I did was funny. That's not funny. Oh, I see. So it always ends like that. Like, you ever, suddenly the couple good funny ones back and forth and then someone decides to do something that means dumb thing. Yeah, just, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:08 Oh no, when I, the one that, that where it stopped, because I stopped it, but it was a wedgie war. So I don't know how it started, but it started at the beginning of the year. So they ended up going all year. Were randomly you got behind your buddy

Starting point is 00:22:20 and you'd give him a hard wedgie. Well, I wasn't in it. I told everybody, I'm not playing. I don't want to play as a stupid. Don't do this to me, okay? Morning everybody. Well anyway, sure enough, halfway through the school year, my buddy gives me it like a gnarly wedgie.

Starting point is 00:22:33 So I literally waited. I'm like, I'm gonna wait like a month. So he doesn't, and I, and remember, I was working out since I was 14. So this is like senior year, so I'm like 18. I'm really too be strong at this point. Yeah. And I clean and press him by his underwear.

Starting point is 00:22:45 I literally clean and press and he fell forward. Underwards ripped off. Yes. So I had his underwear in my hand. I do that. That's my brother. That was it. It was over here.

Starting point is 00:22:54 You have those tight UIDs and they covered wagoned him. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. See, I feel like that you guys are a little bit older because what was popular when I was a kid was

Starting point is 00:23:02 pantsing. Pansing was way more popular. We did that too. Yeah. But that would get you in a fight for sure because that's like when I was a kid was pancing. Pancing was way more popular. We did that too. But that would get you in a fight for sure because that's like, oh man, you're exposed me. You can't do that anymore, of course. Oh, God knows. No, this is all the time.

Starting point is 00:23:13 I mean, it was the best if you're in front of a bunch of girls and you get your body, you know, leave them before they're arrested now. It was the same. It was also popular to go commando when we were in school at that time. Yeah, so if you pants someone with some angle. Yeah, so that was super popular. And if you did that now, you probably would go to jail. I think, right?

Starting point is 00:23:30 Would you go to, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you'd expelled. If you pants, if a kid pants another, his friend today and you went full naked in front of a bunch of girls, there would you get expelled. Really? Well, yeah, the sexual harassment.

Starting point is 00:23:41 You see that, yeah. You can't do that, dude. Wow. I know, man. Hey, did you see what happened with the Elon Musk sexual harassment thing? Oh, that was a, you know, so I don't know too much about it. I know that they settled for a quarter million dollars. Yeah, I saw that. And the case, basically, it's like, look, when people come after large corporations or billionaires, oftentimes to save money and time, there's like, settle. Here's the money. So that's what he was saying. and time, there's like, settle.

Starting point is 00:24:05 Here's the money. So that's what he was saying. Now he said something interesting though. He said, if he's denied, he's like, this is a baloney and he goes, if this really happened, then tell me a distinctive, like, like a scribe, like some like super characteristic. Yes.

Starting point is 00:24:20 Oh, I don't know if he has a birthmark or something, but he said, well, then let's see if you can describe something about me, that only you would know. I don't know if he has a birthmark or something, but he said, well, then see if you can describe something about me that only you would know. But I thought it was brilliant. That's a really smart, if there isn't. I mean, even if there was, that's a brilliant play. That's a brilliant play.

Starting point is 00:24:34 You have this average-looking dick, and you say, oh, yeah, you saw it, huh? Well, tell me what's different about it. Justin, tell me what's different about my dick. What's up, say now. It's really weird. It's bomb, bomb or else. Yeah, it's for this.

Starting point is 00:24:50 They call it, they call it top box. All right, Doug, all right, Doug. Move on. All right, I'll move on to a light subject. Let's talk about monkey pox. Hey, I didn't even know this is fun from. Hey, I didn't even know that was a thing until I It's not a thing. There's like a hundred and

Starting point is 00:25:07 Some people in the world with it right? Like that you've got that's seen it. So it's not like this big thing. Uh-oh. It spreads through. It's like a elementary school. I got I saw a Vicki Vicki. Some does some post-autantizer off the chain. She she didn't want to say I'm just gonna come out and say it early that I'm against the jab from the box. The box, Vexy. Yeah. Well, it's, it's like, I don't know, 100 and something people. So it's not like it's this crazy thing. And it's not super virulent.

Starting point is 00:25:33 I think you have to have close contact. And I read an article that said that they think it started in two raves in Europe. So I guess there was a couple of raves. And some dudes, naturally, some dudes got it from each other or whatever. Oh, okay. But it's not, I mean, from whatever I'd write, it's not a super deadly disease, kind of sucks. Obviously, it looks bad. Oh, yeah, what does it look like?

Starting point is 00:25:53 I mean, you get like rash lumps. You get big ass pox, dude. Wow. Yeah, it doesn't look good at all. Yeah. You don't want no monkey pox. Although, at least you know when someone has it, if they have it like that, right? It's all visible. Yeah. But that's at the end. I think that's

Starting point is 00:26:08 at the, at the end of the virus. You get that. But it's, it is funny how the fear gets stirred up now. So quickly with like viruses and stuff. Because it's beginning, like if you Google monkeypox, there's like tons of mainstream articles. Wow. And there's only that many cases. Maybe Doug can look up how many total cases, but it was like 100 something in the world. That's what it looks like. Ooh, you don't want a bunch of monkey pox. Well, yeah, what's the case count at?

Starting point is 00:26:35 Look up total monkey pox. He looked up images. But, yeah. What, so where are we at with COVID? I mean, we're still seeing, that's so last year. I thought so, but I heard there's we're it's spiking again. Yeah, there's there's cases. Yeah, it's it's it's endemic. So it's up and down. It's not nearly as deadly as it was. Yes, we got for me does. So as of yesterday 90 confirmed cases. Oh my god 28 suspected ones. Okay, so Grant total of 118 total things. Yeah, out of here with the fear.

Starting point is 00:27:05 Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. What's not hilarious? It's like, it's unfortunate for those 98 people, but that's crazy though. I didn't even know it was a thing, and then I made that post about me being in the airport and being sick. Well, so there's also this like, you know, this whole conspiracy thing, right? So who is it, the World Health Organization?

Starting point is 00:27:24 I think it was them that either them or the World Economic Forum, one of the ones that everybody talks about with is W.H.A. They came out and they were gonna talk about potential monkey pox, maybe before anything happened. Like how would we handle it? We have vaccines.

Starting point is 00:27:39 And then, so then the conspiracy theory is that they, they'll tell you what's gonna happen. Do you do like a dry run or something? Yeah, that's like planning it all out before. I know. Because now we see it. Well, because before COVID, there was this whole, like, I guess, convention and stuff.

Starting point is 00:27:55 And they said, oh, what if a coronavirus came out and could cause all these problems? And then COVID happened. So now they're like, you're gonna do this again. They're gonna talk about a virus. It's gonna happen. Sort of prepping this all. Yeah, but I'm not worried about the pox.

Starting point is 00:28:07 More good news. You guys hear about Hyundai, they're doing a recall on a bunch of cars, like 22,000. What happened? This sucks. I guess some of the seat belts explode. Poof. That's a little problematic.

Starting point is 00:28:21 Yeah, so in a car accident, I guess part of the seat belt, I don't know where the tax rate explodes and then shrapnel. Wow. Yeah, so shrapnel from it comes out and can hurt people. So I don't know, I think it's like 22,000 or something like that. 239,000. Oh, even more, 239,000.

Starting point is 00:28:37 Yeah. From this purchase. Is that make it sweet? Did you guys know how recalls are calculated, by the way? What do you mean by like as far as like? So they have, so these car manufacturers have departments where they do these risk assessments. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:55 And what they look at is, okay, the cost of the recall, compare that to the cost of the potential lawsuits or the cost of the potential public outcry. And then if the recall is more expensive, we're not gonna do the recall. If it's less expensive, then we'll do the recall. You know what I mean? I mean, the truth is to let me,

Starting point is 00:29:16 how else do you decide something like that as a business? I mean, ethically, you would like to think that they always, or worried about the, but there's always gonna be a safety issue, right? Like, no car is 100% safe in every single accident. So there is always some sort of a risk, somewhere in the design of the vehicle. And so it's just risk assessment or risk management, right?

Starting point is 00:29:37 So there's no other way you actually probably would do that. It just sounds really bad when you say that, right? Like, when you say it like that, it's just like, well, you know, we're only kill about probably, I don't know, 150 people, which is down from last year. Yeah. So how many, we'll go ahead and roll with it.

Starting point is 00:29:52 You don't say that sounds horrible. How many car brands have imploded because of this? Because I want to think that, was it Corvair or one of those old car brands that the engine was in the back and then would any Anytime somebody would slam into it like it explode. You know that was him that was I think it was the Pinto Mm-hmm. That was the problem But you know that was a myth. It was a myth really didn't actually they didn't actually blow I yeah

Starting point is 00:30:17 Well, I mean I've watched myth busters and get the engines don't really explode No, I can movies whenever you shoot a gun at it You know what else doesn't happen? And I learn from Mythbusters. You cannot throw a cigarette and gasoline and blow up anything. It just, just catch fire. It goes out, puts the cigarette out. The liquid puts the cigarette out.

Starting point is 00:30:33 You gonna go test that? No, I have half. No, you have, what? Yeah, of course. Don't you watch Mythbusters and you tested it? Yeah, no, we absolutely have done it. It totally does not work. Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on.

Starting point is 00:30:42 I did do it at a gas station to blow something up. All you have to do is be on a bonfire, have some gasoline on it, then throw a cigarette on it and it won't do it or a, yeah. You've done that? Yeah, well, doesn't do anything. I'd be too scared to do that. No, I mean, it's not a bonfire.

Starting point is 00:30:55 It's not like it's, we're gonna light it anyways, trying to light it with, some of the movies whenever those guys, No, and if it's still liquid, it just puts it out. Yeah, what? Yeah, it does not light it. So you need more flame. You need a flame. So you need to flame.

Starting point is 00:31:05 You need an actual flame. The charcoal from the cigarette will not ignite. Oh wow. Yeah. Because it's the actual gases from the gas that ignites. It's not the liquid itself. So the cigarette, but hitting the liquid puts the coal out. So you need to flame to ignite the fumes that are coming off from the gas.

Starting point is 00:31:24 Actually ignite the gas. It's weird. But in movies, I mean, they still do it. It's still, it still do it today, which all cracks me up that that's been out and they've, they've busted that a long time ago. But yet you still will see a new movie come out. The guy will, yeah, walk away really slow. You know, I had a buddy whose dad was within the military, okay? And he, I used to hate watching, like, like war movies or anything like that with him, because he would always call out everything in there that was stupid. So like, yeah, like predator, like he's got the,

Starting point is 00:31:54 you know, the grenade launcher and he's like, grenades don't explode like that. Yeah. That's not how it works. It's not that big. You know, you watch movies like Rambo, where he throws a grenade and building it, blows up the whole building and he's like,

Starting point is 00:32:03 now it doesn't do that. That's funny, because I was thinking about that, because I was gonna, uh, top good, huh? Yeah, I was trying to blow up, the whole building's like, no, it doesn't do that. That's funny because I was thinking about that because I was gonna top good, huh? Yeah, I was trying to talk to all the pilots. I saw all the pilots, yeah. Don't let them root it for you, bro. Thunderbird pilots, you know, and apparently they liked it. This is entertained, but of course it's like not even close to being

Starting point is 00:32:17 realistic and I'm like, yeah, it's Hollywood, you know, like they're gonna do like stunts. You just, you wouldn't do or like they're gonna do like stunts that you just you wouldn't do or like they're gonna add CGI to things to kind of really enhance it, but I mean from what it looked like, I think that there was a lot of time that the actors had to spend at least in the cockpit and then they had like cameras on the inside. And so a lot of the perspective is like as much of the audience feels like they're in the cockpit this time then just being kind of a cheesy model like one on top of the other.

Starting point is 00:32:50 I mean, considering how old Top Gun is, I actually thought they did a... I rewatched it the other day. And normally when you watch a movie like in the 80s... You watch it again? I did, dude. It's a great movie, dude. It's a great movie. I was never excited about that.

Starting point is 00:33:03 Really? Man, never a big fan. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm really man. I never big fan. Oh Romance part maybe huh, you know big fan of romance part. What is it? It's I mean it's no Rocky I want to pass romance movie Top good is a big top gun is a better romance Yeah, start this debate. Not even close. Oh my god, it is. What are you talking about? So much better. The whole story behind Rocky is him gazing at the bottom from the bro.

Starting point is 00:33:30 It's way better, dude. Yeah. Yes, dude. Rocky, I think did top gun win any awards? No, of course. Damn things. Actually, probably get pulled up. Top gun win had to win a win or a win.

Starting point is 00:33:40 Special thanks or something. It won the hearts of my bro. My point of bringing it up. My point of bringing it up. My point of bringing it up is a movie that requires like special effects like you know fighter pilots and crazy shit like that. Like you know that that obviously they couldn't do a lot of the things that they pretended to do in that movie. It's when you look back on a movie, it's 20 years old and you watch you like oh my god.

Starting point is 00:34:04 So like yeah, it's so, but it's not. It's like, they did a pretty good job. Did you know that military, that movies that depict like military weapons or whatever you can get funding, right? You can get funding from the US government. They have to prove, obviously, what you're doing because it serves as sure a promotion propaganda. Yeah. Of course. To Rambo get out of the out of the blue little extreme. Well, I mean, first blood is a Vietnam vet that loses a shit and starts a war with a whole town.

Starting point is 00:34:32 I'm pretty sure the government didn't support. Hey, just did you start? Did you start watching Halo yet? I haven't watched it. I'm kind of into it. Somebody said it was going to be like the worst. I'm kind of wait, Halo, it's a based off the video game. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:43 Okay, so you're the third person. Yeah, I mean, I heard so I saw you host it, and I thought, let me, I thought maybe it was a movie. Then I saw it was a series, I'm like, let me check it out. It's like, it sucked me in. Did you play the video game? Yeah, I did.

Starting point is 00:34:54 So maybe that's why, right? So maybe because I played the video game a little bit. So, I mean, it's definitely sci-fi. You know, what is it on? No, I'll check it out. It is on Paramount, I think. What the hell's Paramount? Paramount, Amazon.

Starting point is 00:35:08 You could buy it individually, probably on Amazon. Oh, okay. Right, so if you have Amazon, you can buy Paramount movies or if you have Paramount, you obviously get it for free. I'll watch that. Well, speaking of, so I was, you know, these TV shows and whatnot, like I was watching, every now and then I do this, I'll go and see what my kids are like watching on YouTube

Starting point is 00:35:28 because I'll kind of come back and watch. And the biggest thing I've noticed, it's not just like, they can't just watch SpongeBob or they can't just watch regular cartoons or shows anymore. They want to watch these, like, break downs and also like, almost like conspiracy theories within like cartoons. No, that's just your kids, bro.

Starting point is 00:35:47 Dude, I'm like, what? Those are your kids, that's what I mean. Yeah, it must be like a genetic thing. I'm like, I've never heard of it. He's like so SpongeBob. Let me tell you. Yeah, you think it's the Sponge in the ocean. Okay, so here we go.

Starting point is 00:35:59 So there's just one side of the side to watch on, because I thought this was hilarious. I mean, this guy was breaking it down. This YouTube like commentator and he's talking about how basically so Pearl is like the whale daughter of Mr. Krabs. Oh, right, right. And so the thing is they're like, well, where does he get all the meat for the crabby patties?

Starting point is 00:36:21 And then he used to be like a whaler, like a pirate on this ship and everything. And so there's this whole like dark theory of like, he killed like her mom or something. And then like, created all the meat for there. And then he's raising her to then end up using her for a Crabby Patties later. What is that about? So there is this thing that we're drawn to.

Starting point is 00:36:44 And you see it now on social media platforms, YouTube, all over the place, where somebody is commentating on somebody else's content. That's like so popular, whether it be music, or something like this. Whether it be video games, whether it's like a thing to, you know, take, watch somebody else, watch something. And that's like,

Starting point is 00:37:04 Well, I mean, how many sports shows you watch where they talk about the sports that just happened? I mean, I guess that's fair. Same thing. Yeah. Like, you just watched the game. No, I've got to watch that. And what's happening in their life right outside

Starting point is 00:37:14 of the sports event, it's like they create this whole narrative outside of it. So I heard a theory that you guys have seen Moana. Have you seen that? Yeah. That she actually died in the, remember the scene where she's in the ocean and it's like the storm or whatever, that she actually died.

Starting point is 00:37:28 And her spirit goes to the island and brings back this, it does the all the work or whatever. So the whole time you're watching the movie, I have the half of the movie, she's dead. She's dead. Oh cool, that'd been at the end like six cents. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:40 I was never alive. All the kids. Oh, what? You know what I thought? who brought up the thing that was something that Disney does that I never, like almost every Disney movie like the kids like an orphan. It's always some sad shit.

Starting point is 00:37:53 Yeah, they hook you with like a traumatic event. The worst is up, I can't do it. The whole scene and up where they show the, I've only seen that one older together together and everything and they can't have kids Yeah, so come on man You really bummed me out. That's totally sad speaking of of sad or ruin my day or crazy wait before you leave Disney I want to ask you something I just want to ask me this and I thought that was a really interesting question ask me What's your what's your Disney classic? You're one. Oh my favorite. Yeah, one. Yeah, one give me your one

Starting point is 00:38:22 I know somebody asked me that. It made me think. I was like, oh, I think, what about you? It's a good question. I had mine canned already. So like, we were big, we were little. We watched a lot of Disney classics. Like I watched them. We had them in classic classics, huh?

Starting point is 00:38:36 Yeah. I mean, all. I was sort of the stone. That's mine. How is that? Oh wow. No shit. Yeah, that's mine.

Starting point is 00:38:43 Watch out my kids all the time. My kids are the aristocrats. Bro, that's like a 1967 one, too. I probably, the older that? Oh wow. No shit. Yeah, that's my. Watch out my kids all the time. My kids are the aristocrats. Bro, that's like a 1967 one, too. I probably, yeah, the older ones are the best. I probably watch later. It's so crazy. You're so much. I watch a lot of Lady the Trump.

Starting point is 00:38:52 I see that. You're the dog. You're the dog. Where are we, we're ready to say, you look like the dog. It's like, look at a snout. It's a snout. What is that? Is it a snout?

Starting point is 00:39:01 The gray dog. You know what, Suck? It's the gray, let's take you guys. It's the gray old, let's the gray old nice dog. Snout, snout, not sure. It's a snout. It's a snowser? The great, the great dog. You know what sucks? It's the great, let's say you guys was the great old, was the great old guys, little snowser. I'm not sure. It's a snowser. It's a snowser.

Starting point is 00:39:09 It's a, we've already said it's a snowser. Can I tell you guys what sucks about that? You guys never told that to Jessica. She's told me that. Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh,

Starting point is 00:39:18 You're a dog. You'd be a snowser. What? Do you look, pull the dog up, dog, that is in a lady the trap, that is the, what's the character's name? It's not the main two. It's the's the it's the it's the friend. Oh, I don't know. He's great. He's gray and he's grayish black or whatever Now, all these things into there's a tramp is you have the tramp is we he's a schnauser is a schnauser Oh Peter Pan was the other one I watched a lot of but there's no there's an old schnauser, too

Starting point is 00:39:41 Hi, yeah, it's the old yeah, it's the old schnauzer that I think Sal looks like my second. I don't look like the young one. My second was probably Robin Hood. The jock. Yes, yes. Pull his pull his picture. I want to see you look like he looks just like Sal. I think did you guys ever watch Fox in the town?

Starting point is 00:39:58 I watch all of them for sure. That's so crazy. You're sort of the stone. I have never heard anybody else say that That's yeah, yes, that is south super random. I don't have I'm not short like that. He's crazy. You're great It doesn't really a Scotty dog. Yeah, I love that dog. Yeah, I actually want to get a snout I mean, it's not an ugly dog, you know, they're adorable. Yeah, he's a cool dog so cute You know what I'm saying and I think he's kind of like the angry wise guy in the movie, right?

Starting point is 00:40:25 I'm not angry at all from home. You're angry. I'm not angry. You're telling people that, dude. Are you getting DMs? You're probably doing it. Are people sending you away? People always start with like a apologizing

Starting point is 00:40:37 or telling me like, I don't know, this is not a job or what. It's like, yeah. I'm so afraid I'm gonna rip a race off. I'm like, if we had to choose the most sensitive, it's like a gray cloud. Just. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:47 So as a kid, I was the grumpy, the care bear, right? So that was my favorite care bear that I, I told it was the three leaf clover one. Wait, hold on a sec. I'm not gonna say, you guys had care bears. I did. Come on, dude. I mean, I'm not like the manliest guy ever.

Starting point is 00:41:03 Well, actually, I thought you were for a second. You guys had care bears? I did. The care bears, that's a kid, dude, I mean, I'm not like the manliest guy ever. Well, actually, I thought you were for a second. You guys had car bears. I did. The car bears. That's a kid. That's a good help. That's all I think because you get the cabbage patch kid too. I wanted my dad.

Starting point is 00:41:14 I had the garbage. No, garbage pills. Yeah. I'm in all garbage. Now my sister had cabbage patch kids and I had the garbage. Folk kids. Yeah, he man. That's all I had.

Starting point is 00:41:21 He man and all the masters that you see him in. Yeah. You look back at the other one? That's interesting. Hey, can I tell you something though? The figurines, they literally modeled them after pro bodybuilders. They don't look like athletes at all. They're all like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:41 The Skeletor memes are my favorite. Oh yeah. There's somebody good Skeletor memes. This is right there. Anyway, so I was gonna say that's crazy. And I got it, I'm supposed to mention our sale right now, but I do want to say this because we have a marketing department that operates separately from us. Meaning we don't really have much,

Starting point is 00:41:58 we don't control what sales are gonna run. I mean, we can, obviously we own the company, but often we don't know what's gonna happen. And then they'll tell us, hey, here's the sale that's going on. So 50% off everything, like, why are they doing this right now? That's ridiculous. Because it's a party, see, okay, we did it. It's not an immoral day.

Starting point is 00:42:13 It's an immoral day. It's an immoral day. We did it. Okay, so they run it, they run it right before summer, and they run it at Black Friday. Those are the two times they run it. So we actually ran it this time. We did?

Starting point is 00:42:22 Yeah, we did. 50% off everything. All programs? We have two massive sales in a year. This is one of them right now. That's always right before summer. I think give or take. I think they did it over the same holiday weekend last time. I believe. Yeah, I believe they do. There's no exception. When you're out shopping for your mattress, every program. Every thing fitness programs. Wow. It's not limit mattresses. Did you see shots? Yeah, it's always going sail and moral day we get mattresses. Yeah, the cars.

Starting point is 00:42:47 I took Doug mattress shopping the other day. That sounds weird. That sounds weird. You guys tested it out. It sounds very weird. You guys tested it out. It's a little closer to me right this. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:59 This is a good spoony mattress here. Did you practice your wrestling? Yeah, throw them on the bed. Doug, this one's good. Yeah. I'll look you practice your wrestling? Throw them on the bed. No, this one's good. Yeah. A look you bounced that foot apart. What mattress you get?

Starting point is 00:43:10 So we were shopping for the park city property. Yeah, well, it's a brand though. The brand's been around for a hundred years. I never heard of it. King Coil. Have you ever heard that? King Coil. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:19 I hadn't heard of it. It was like 97 years old. Super comfortable. Really? Super comfortable. Yeah. They're nice. I don't realize the price range. Yeah. Oh, mattresses.

Starting point is 00:43:27 You want to play $10,000? Yeah, this one is, this is probably more moderate, right? We were also laying on what was the other ones that were like 7,000, right? Yeah. I forget the name of the other ones we were looking at. But we're like, okay, if we thought we were going to be at that house, you know, more than two or three times. Well, it makes a difference, dude.

Starting point is 00:43:44 I have a nice mattress now and I sleep on it. Really good. So I mean, it's definitely a big difference. Now, have you done it even in your spare room too? Cause you get kicked out of your room sometimes too. I don't have a spare room. I got a hell of kids. Oh, where am I asleep?

Starting point is 00:43:54 Does it do? I got another one coming. Okay, so I'm like, garage with your weights. So when you, when you're booted for snoring, where do you go? I don't get booted. Oh, you boot her out. I don't boot her out.

Starting point is 00:44:03 I don't boot her out. I don't know. And do the bath tub. It out. I don't boot her out. You boot a pregnant woman out of her room and do a bath tub. It's not my choice. Yeah, that's a true story. Hey, it's not my choice. Who sends a pregnant woman to do a bath tub? Not me. She did herself.

Starting point is 00:44:16 She did herself. She went and slept. Okay, so right now when you're like a tree house. When you are driving her crazy and snoring, you don't get up and leave No, I don't get up and I don't where am I gonna go what are the rooms the kids are always in all the rooms, right? Yeah, no So she'll still she'll sometimes go Good mattress

Starting point is 00:44:39 She goes to get on the twin yeah, unless he has a little twin because she gets to go sleep on gets on the twin. Yeah, unless he has a little twin, as he gets to go sleep on. Oh, Vermont, he made me feel bad now. Well, I leave. So that's like, like, if I, because I'm just as guilty of, especially since I've been sick,

Starting point is 00:44:51 like Katrina will give me the sim, simmer thing, roll on your side. You know, and then if I still snore even on my side, then she'll let me know again. And then that's normally my signal. I just, I don't, I have to sleep. No, I actually, I actually bought, I actually bought a mouth guard thing,

Starting point is 00:45:06 and it goes in your mouth, and what it does is it pulls your lower jaw forward, like this, and it does work. It does prevent snoring. Now the only problem is I wake up with my teeth or sore, so I hope it's not gonna make my teeth all weird out of it. But it does work. If I put it on, it does prevent snoring.

Starting point is 00:45:20 Dude, I just reminded me of, has this ever happened to you guys where you had like such a vivid dream, and you get woken up because you physically acted it out. Yeah. What did you act out? So I was like, there was this big bully guy that was like picking on my friends or whatever and like, I was trying to reason with them and then he swung at me and I literally like dodged, one way dodged the other and then I swung back and I wake up and I hit my glass of water off the table right next to me.

Starting point is 00:45:51 And it likes water everywhere. Thankfully, it didn't like shatter into a bunch of pieces or anything. But. I thought you didn't swing the other way. I know, I was thinking that dude, I was like, oh my God, I just, did you know there was,

Starting point is 00:46:03 so the dream you have. There was this woman, there was this, there was no idea where that came from. There, did you, hey, did you know there was, so the dream you have, there was this woman, there was this, there was this, no idea where that came from. There was this, this true story, there was a guy who, he would wake up with like a bruise or a black eye or he'd get hit in the middle of night

Starting point is 00:46:13 and his wife's like, I'm sleep, yeah, I'm sleepwalking or whatever. Anyway, he set up a hidden camera. This woman was a, she'd wake up and hit him and then put you in and go back and sleep. Oh, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, intentionally or as I, no, intentionally. No, no, no, she'd wake up. Cause I told Yeah, it actually orders out by the way. No, it's actually a disorder.

Starting point is 00:46:25 No, no, no, she wake up. Cause my best friend has that, like he's like, I don't know, like one percent, it's super rare what he has. There's actually a documentary on one of these comedians who has the same disorder and he did a documentary on it. But he has that and it's like, it's actually really sad and scary because it like 80 or 90 something percent

Starting point is 00:46:43 get Parkinson's. It's like, oh yeah, it's, it's right. It's connected. Yeah, I think I remember you talking. Yeah, and he, I, he gets up and he acts out the dreams like super like he and he's dead. It'll be, she is wifel. He can't wait to shake him. Can't wait to come up and he's like at the edge of his bed, get ready to jump, jump off and there's been scary stories.

Starting point is 00:47:01 There's stories jumping out windows and stuff like. There's stories of people having sleep sex. So they'll have sex with their partner than the next day. I try that on Katrina all the time. Oh, I'm a sleep-woo. Oh, no. I could tell.

Starting point is 00:47:14 Sorry. No, this one, this one woman. I just watched all the way there. I don't know the whole thing, where the husband's like, oh man, you were, it was great last night, whatever. She's like, what are you talking about? Anyway, she did that.

Starting point is 00:47:26 She would have sleep sex with him. The thing is, he thought I was the best sex. Oh, there I was. I can't believe you did that. Oh, it was crazy. Yeah. Great, yeah, crazy stuff. Anyway, I have to bring this up because we're supposed

Starting point is 00:47:39 to mention working with Equalife, but I have been, so Equalife is the company that, so we had Dr. Steven Cabral on the show, Functional Medicine Doctor, and they have a company where they do lots and lots of testing, hair tests, urine, blood, and then they'll coach you and figure out root causes of your health issues.

Starting point is 00:47:58 And really, I mean, this is really comprehensive stuff. Anyway, someone was testing, messaging me, sorry, asking me about the type of tests that they do or what they're testing for. I have them written down. So here's some of the stuff that they'll test for. So if you're interested, it's really, really interesting. So they'll test for, they can, and these are just the popular ones, but they do more than this. They can test for Candida, Metabolic, and Vitamin function, food sensitivity test. They test your stress, mood, and metabolism,, minerals and metals, toxic heavy metals,

Starting point is 00:48:26 they test your neurotransmitters, your gut bacteria, and if you have parasites, they'll test your stress, sleep, and hormones, mold toxicity, environmental toxicity, and then your omega-3 levels and inflammation, and there's much more. Did you guys end up ordering the Candida one? Oh, yeah. To test that out and find out. We are. We'll report back on that. You got it. I'm pretty sure I do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do of like, you know, having the digestive, the HCl pills and then you also had a time to

Starting point is 00:49:05 kind of eat away at it, but it's like, dude, if it's, if I can actually, you know, really get on top of that and get rid of this crazy chronic heartburn, it'd be great. Now, we've barely started working with him. And I don't know about you guys. I'm already receiving DMs of people that love him. Yeah. Same. Yeah, they're already having a tremendous.

Starting point is 00:49:22 Yeah. And there was a, in fact, the guy that we answered the question recently, he, they, they, they found with his diet that he was a slower oxidizer, need a more carbohydrates. He was eating differently before, not knowing why his energy was solo. Yeah. So they can, I mean, if you really want to get it, get down to understanding your body. Yeah. And not, and get out of the, get the guesswork out of the way, or not do a bunch of guesswork or work with your doctor, which won't test you for any of this stuff. Yeah. Well, get real answers, you know, real specifically to you. And then I don't, I don't know, Doug and Justin, if you guys can even answer this or not, but when this goes live,

Starting point is 00:49:55 will we have the forum up yet? Or will it be shortly after Justin's when setting that up? Yeah, I should be able to do it. Yeah. Yeah. So what's the name of the forum going to be? It's going to be a holistic health forum. Yeah. And it'll be managed by Dr. Cabral and his team. Yeah. So this is on Facebook. Yeah, it's going to be free. It's a free one. So you can ask questions. So by the time this airs, you should be able to search for it. And should we put mine pump in a name as well? I don't know. Yeah. Maybe my pump holistic health doctor. Yeah. MP holistic health or something like that. Well, it's the name of the forum. So, okay. But it's gonna be something like that.

Starting point is 00:50:26 So search that and then we'll let you in. Interesting. So that, yeah, that's gonna be paired with working with them as a partner now, which I'm really excited. So I mean, I think that we've already got great feedback on the hormone form that we created with Dr. Rand and their team.

Starting point is 00:50:41 We've got a huge response from that. Which by the way, I had to go in there and kind of straighten things out a little bit. So just so everybody knows, it's a hormone forum to ask about prescription hormone therapy, testosterone replacement therapy, stuff you do with your doctor. It is not an antibiotic steroid forum.

Starting point is 00:50:59 So, have those people on there? Oh, wow. Yeah, as you said. I would have taken some D-ball and trend, and I'm running it with, oh, there was a guy on the, I've been using tremble on it 400 milligrams. And what about this then?

Starting point is 00:51:09 I'm like, it's not the place. This is not where you ask him that. This is not legit. The truth is, Dr. Ran and them, they have answers probably for that. And I hope that they know to just leave that alone. They do, okay, they do. Yeah, they ignored them.

Starting point is 00:51:20 Yeah, but I went in there because I don't want them wasting their time on stuff like that. No, no, that's not what it's designed. It's designed to help people that are in a place. Is everybody building? Yeah. No one's got nobody knows the answer. There's a lot of guests.

Starting point is 00:51:31 Yeah. I wanted to bring it. So I know we have another sponsor we got to mention. A great commercial for them is that my son's using it now. So we've been dealing with the all-ear infections and everything. So always first before, you know, we want it, we went this, the specialist and the surgery route was, is there something in this diet that's causing inflammation

Starting point is 00:51:53 that we try to figure out? And the only thing that we could figure out that he has consistently that may potentially have effect and it also bothers me. So that's why I told Katrina, try teasing that out. It's his favorite thing that he has every morning, which is the toast. Yes, and the cinnamon raisin toast.

Starting point is 00:52:08 So you're gonna take out gluten? Yeah, so we took gluten out. But we took this specific raisin bread toast out because it's something that he has every single day consistently. I've had a couple of pieces before and instantly feel like bloated from it. So I can't even, there's been a couple of times where I've tried it

Starting point is 00:52:26 and been like, oh, have it with them. And then I'm like, oh man, that doesn't make me feel good at all. Oh, let me try to get, of course. So by about third time, when we doing it, I realized, okay, my body's not reacting well to this. So the kids got my DNA. So probably this could be something. So he's been using magic spoon instead.

Starting point is 00:52:40 And I was like, you love it. Oh, wow. He likes it dry. So the same way, you know those little, I love those old cop. Snack capture. Yeah, the snap capture. Yeah, they stick their hand or whatever.

Starting point is 00:52:50 Yeah, we just fill that up with magic spoon and he just goes the town. Oh, that's great. Yeah, he loves it. Yeah, and he's getting good protein. It's grain free. That's why he can eat it. Uh huh.

Starting point is 00:52:59 Because he's not having the gluten. Wow, that's what flavor. He likes fruit. That's what we have. The fruity, well, we have fruity and blueberry, but he likes the fruity one. Oh, that's great.. He likes fruit. That's what we have. The fruity, well, we have fruity and blueberry, but he likes the fruity one. Oh, that's great. Speaking of breakfast foods, study came out showing that moderate, but this is what the

Starting point is 00:53:10 study said, moderate intake of eggs is positively correlated to better heart health. So people who eat eggs have better outcomes with heart disease, which is the opposite of what they told us for a long time. That's just a egg yooks. We're going to be so bad for your heart. And you know, there were studies that showed that if people ate a lot of eggs, that there was a correlation. And that was really less about eggs and more about cholesterol because eggs are so high

Starting point is 00:53:37 in cholesterol. Oh, that was the fear, yeah. Yeah. And that we used to think that dietary cholesterol had that much of an impact. But what happened was, what happened was, because, and this is what you need to pay attention to with studies, because it had been hammered into us for so long that eggs were bad for you,

Starting point is 00:53:53 the only people left eating eggs where people that didn't really consider their health. So then they would do these population-based studies, and they're like, oh, look, eggs are bad for health. Well, yeah, those are the people that are also eating hot dogs, and burgers, and look, eggs are bad for health. Well, yeah, those are the people that are also eating hot dogs and burgers and smoking, right? Type of deal. And so the truth is, when they do the right controls, eggs are

Starting point is 00:54:11 actually, and I forgot who said this, I believe, might have been Dr. Steven Gural off air. He said that eggs are an egg yolks in particular, it's like nature's multivitamin. It's one of the most nutrient-dense foods. Well, it's one of the most balanced foods that you can possibly have, 100%. Super healthy. I mean, that reminds me of your proverb, you just said, did that go, of the most balanced food that you possibly have? No, 100% super healthy.

Starting point is 00:54:25 I mean, it reminds me of your proverb you just said, did that go, did that area, is that live yet? Andrew the proverb? A parable? Yeah, the 11th. Is that considered a parable or a proverb? I think it's terrible. I think that goes live before this airs for sure.

Starting point is 00:54:37 Oh, okay, so yeah, I do. You like that one? I did. I really did enjoy that. I enjoyed it because one, I had never heard it and then two, when I was listening to you say, I knew where you're going with it. Yeah. This is like, oh had never heard it. And then two, when I was listening to you say, I knew where you're going with it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:47 This is like, oh, this is so good for, yeah, for these guys. That's a good one. Can't wait for that form to listen here. Hey, before we, at the end here, I gotta tell you guys, I read something really frightening. You guys know anesthesia, right? So, but not really, I'm gonna run it up right now. No, stop, listen.

Starting point is 00:55:00 Okay, don't worry. I'm gonna fucking tell you more of my son goes under in like five days. Like, okay, let's go. Cause every person, oh, listen. Okay, don't worry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:55:09 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, But the early days of anesthesia, they would give women this anesthesia during childbirth and supposedly it would help, right? Now the women would still be moaning or whatever, but then they'd have the baby afterwards but like, oh, that was amazing.

Starting point is 00:55:33 Well, anyway, they discovered later on that the anesthesia never blocked the pain. It just made them forget. So they were giving this anesthesia as women and they were going through surgery, doing shit throughout the whole process. And they even did it with surgeries where people will feel everything the whole time if they forget about afterwards. Like yeah, that was great.

Starting point is 00:55:51 Everything will work just awesome. Dude, how scary is that? How horrific is that? Just kill brain cells that all it did or what? Well, it's just how scary is that? Like you're in there and they're cutting your leg off. Like, ah! And then afterwards you forget.

Starting point is 00:56:02 You're like, yeah, I wonder how they figured it out. They finally sort of did like ask people why they're going through it. Is this painful you're like, that was, I wonder how they, how they figured it out. They finally started to like ask people why they're going through it. Is this painful? That's a good question. That's how they had to, right? The only way they had to have figured that out was, because if they always forgot about it,

Starting point is 00:56:12 they had to of someone probably thought, you know, we've never really thought about actually asking while they're going through it, right? So on a level of one to 10, how do you feel? 10, 10, you know, like, then afterwards you're like, no, that was fine. Yeah, that was good stuff. How scary is that?

Starting point is 00:56:27 Is it called twilight's sleep? Yes. Yes, so it's an injection of morphine and scopolamine. Scopolamine. Yeah. And morphine's getting this. It causes sort of amnesia. So they wouldn't remember the process of labor or...

Starting point is 00:56:40 Oh my God. Oh, bad. So random. Would you come across that? Really medicine. It was an old, I read it a long time ago, and it just, you know, it worked. Oh my God. Oh, bad. So random. Would you come across that? Really medicine. It was an old, I read it a long time ago and it just, you know, it worked. It was rough.

Starting point is 00:56:48 We had to get through to get the kind of procedures we have now. Well, you know, there were so many women that would die in childbirth because of, they would get, I don't remember, they call it something fever. But it was because these medical students, this is before we understood, we really understood claiming this, right? These medical students would go work on cadavers and shit, and then they go deliver babies and not wash their hands. So these women would get,

Starting point is 00:57:12 like a high rate of them would get infections and then they'd get fevers and die, and they thought, oh, this is just childbirth. No, because you don't wash your hands, dude. This is before we really understood that. Yeah, you ever washed this show? I think it was the Nick, it was like before they had,

Starting point is 00:57:24 where they were like prescribing people like cocaine and things like that like you know to get through like some of these ailments and you know the very first hernia surgery and all that they kind of go through the process of like how they were able to get to that point where they actually figured it out and just all the poor people that like had to go through the butchering process to fine tune it. Well, you know how they used to rank surgeons and during the Civil War was the speed at which they could amputate an elim. That you were a good surgeon

Starting point is 00:57:55 if you could cut that shit off in 10 seconds. I mean, that makes sense, though. It sure does. Yeah, I mean, you could be on the battlefield. It's like, bro, we got a minute to get out here and say, cut that shit off, let's go. Oh, it's great. Let's go. Yeah. Hey, real quick, you got to check out one of our sponsors, actually one of our longest

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Starting point is 00:58:44 All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Brian from Ontario. What's up, Brian? How can we help you? Hey, guys, big fan of listening to you guys for just over a year now. Little background, I became a trainer just over a year ago. I grew up in, or I started living a small town with a very bad training mentality. Everything is balls to the wall, more reps than you can handle, and the signature of success is if your client doesn't walk out of the gym. I remember those days. I remember those days. That's what happens

Starting point is 00:59:22 when you hit your balls against the wall. So I've started my own personal training. It's out of my garage. The clients that I have appreciate the mentality that I have, which is a lot of it, which I've learned from you guys over the last year. My reason for calling in today was I have a client, a little background on her. She's a female, 205 pounds, 5 foot 8. Her goal was to get some fat loss, weight loss, talk her into the whole, let's not just go on a diet and do cardio talk to her into the resistance training and buying into it. We started, rackings, she has calories of about 1200 when we started.

Starting point is 01:00:07 We got that up to 1500 very reluctantly. And then recently over the last couple of weeks, we finally got her up to about 1800 calories. She's seeing tremendous strength gains. We started doing two whole body work week. We're currently now doing three split workouts a week. As I said, our strength grains are great, upper and lower. Body composition changes, again, upper and lower

Starting point is 01:00:36 have been fantastic. Body fat has increased since January by 0.6, which I am attributing to hopefully just the increase in calories. My question for you guys is subcontaneous belly fat will not but it is super stubborn. It is there. It is very prominent with her. It's a very big sticking plant with her and probably the whole reason why she initially came to me. So my question to you guys is, where do I take her from here? Do I work on going into a deficit, more cardio, which I don't want to do?

Starting point is 01:01:09 She's doing cardio two times a week on her own right now, half an hour to 45 minutes, or maybe a new program. So I'm open to your ideas. All right, good question. So real quick, Brian, you said her body composition is doing really well, but then you said she went up and body fat percentage. What did you mean by that?

Starting point is 01:01:23 Do you mean that she's gaining muscle? So, yeah, she's gaining muscle. So we, it's in its weird. I have just a, a quick body scan scale. So that's where I'm saying the body fats come up. You're using biometric impedance. Yeah. Not very accurate.

Starting point is 01:01:40 How's her body weight? Has it changed at all? No, so we're actually up three pounds from when I see I Think you're doing great. I think you're doing great right now the fact that you've taken her from by the way 1200 because 1800 calories to the average listener may not sound like a lot But taking someone from 1200 to 1800. Yeah, 600 more calories a day. That's a lot That's like three and a half hours a card. Yeah, that's right. It's a 50% increase So that's phenomenal where she's at.

Starting point is 01:02:06 And to have only added 0.6% or three pounds to the scale, which is like, probably muscle. Yeah, that's nothing. So here's a challenge in a way I like this question because I remember getting this challenge so many times. And the hard part is I know why you're asking this is because she wants to get rid of this belly. And she's being in of a question. Yeah, she's, she's, she's, she's ready to, she's, you know, she's ready to start seeing herself lean out and feels like she's been

Starting point is 01:02:31 putting in the consistent work with you. And this is where it's always really tough for a trainer because the truth is what you're doing is perfect. I mean, I would stay the course to continue to try and build muscle, to continue to try and creep those calories up more. I mean, a woman, she said she's five eight, 200 and something pounds. I mean, I'd like to, stay the course to continue to try and build muscles, to continue to try and creep those calories up more. I mean, she said she's 5, 8, 200 and something pounds. I mean, I'd like to see her in the mid 2000s, at least. I'd like to see her up at 2500 calories. Just so you can cut down to 2000.

Starting point is 01:02:55 Right. So I'd like to keep working in that direction and keep pushing the message of let's build muscle, let's build strength, let's build this metabolism. Let's get these calories up and let me tell you, if I could get you to 2500 calories, and then we come down, we're going to be in a much better place. Now I would explain to her so she understands, listen, what I can do with you right now, is I could take you from that 1800, we can go back down to 1200, and I could show you, we

Starting point is 01:03:17 can lean out, we would start to lose some belly fat, you would, and get a little bit leaner. The problem is we'd stall out before we got all the way to your goal and now you're back at that 1200 calorie mark again and that's not sustainable. But if you trust this process, what we want to do is what I'd like to do with you is I'd like to get you up to more like 2500 calories and then bring you down to somewhere like Sal said, 2000 calories, which is significantly higher

Starting point is 01:03:42 than you've ever been and we're also plummeting. You're trying to drop that belly fat and talk about sustainability. Like now she can sustain it because she's eating 2000 calories a day. And she's at her goal body weight. Like what a great position to be in. The other thing to consider too is this Brian, like the most challenging thing that you'll ever do as a coach or a trainer is not program design. It's not exercise, form and technique, although those are important.

Starting point is 01:04:05 The most challenging thing you're going to have to do is guide people in the right direction, especially when they want to go in the wrong direction. So you have to get really good at that. And so here's a strategy that I'll give you that I think might help. Rather than focusing on body composition with her, which is she's building muscle and that's great, she's getting stronger and that's awesome too, Start to help her point out all the other benefits that she's noticing. I'm going to assume because she went from 1200 to 18 in her calories and she's stronger. She's probably got more energy. She's probably noticing she has a better libido. She's probably getting better sleep. She probably feels

Starting point is 01:04:41 better in her clothes. She's more stable and more productive in her day. More productive. Point these things out because otherwise what happens is a person thinks they're not making any progress because they don't pay attention to anything else other than what the scale says. They go, why am I doing this? I'm not moving anywhere. When you start to point this out,

Starting point is 01:04:56 they go, oh yeah, I feel way better. Oh my God, my skin looks better. Wow, my energy. And so much better. There's a trainer trick to this, by the way, too. Don't wait to have this conversation when she's venting to you how she wants to lose. Yeah, good point. You do this while you're in the middle of training like, Hey, how's your sleep been lately and get her to tell you like, Oh, it's been really good. Have you noticed? Is your energy increase? Like so, don't wait for

Starting point is 01:05:18 this to be like your rebuttal to her complaining about not seeing the results because then you're not going to win that way. The trick is to get her to tell you all these positive things that you know as a coach is probably happy. So that when she does have that moment later on where she's frustrated, she says, man, Brian, I just feel like, you know, I haven't lost any way. And you go, you got it. Then you remind her, but you remember, Susie, we're just talking about how your energy's up.

Starting point is 01:05:43 You feel stronger. You're in a better mood, your sleep is better, your sex drive is better. We are seeing great progress. That's when you remind her of that, but you wanna get her to say it in another context, right? Not when she's complaining about not seeing the results, then you're pointing out, oh, you're probably from this,

Starting point is 01:05:57 cause then she'll deny it, or she won't admit it. So you wanna get her to vocalize that, while you're working out or training, or when you're in a positive mindset, and then goal is a coach when that situation does happen, then I'm reminding her of all the other things that are positive. I bet her quality of life is improved dramatically. Now, from a workout perspective, I mean, you're training a right if she's getting stronger on building muscle.

Starting point is 01:06:18 As far as activity, you can talk to her about injecting activity into a normal day. More walking. You know, walking, you know, 10 minutes after a Vimeo, that's an additional 30 minutes of activity. Forget the calorie burn, it's just healthy to do that and makes people feel really good. So you can talk to her about that. As far as the belly fat is concerned,

Starting point is 01:06:35 the first place that you gain body fats is usually the last place that you lose it. It's largely determined by genetics. Now with women, with belly fat storage, sometimes that can mean high levels of cortisol. Sometimes it can mean hormone imbalances, but you're moving in the right direction. Okay, she sounds like she's getting healthier. She's able to eat more, really hasn't gained weight. She's gotten stronger, so you're moving in the right direction anyway. And so this is really about,

Starting point is 01:06:59 hey, look at all these, you know, these are the canaries in the coal mine. They're showing us that we're about to get on the snowball effect of fat loss. We're boosting your metabolism. Like we're gonna get there when we do, and we cut you down, you're gonna need more than you did before, but you'll be much leaner. And you're only gonna work out with me twice a week

Starting point is 01:07:17 for the rest of your life, like just to maintain that. Isn't that a great place to be? Can you see how you can maintain that forever? So these are the conversations you want to have as a trainer. And this is what's going to make you, make or break you as a trainer. And I know, like I said earlier, exercise selection and form and technique.

Starting point is 01:07:33 That's all important, but this is what separates the great trainers from the average ones. Okay, perfect. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's kind of what I feel like I'm on the right track. It's just, and it can, as a client, like she's trusting me. She's still trusting me good A couple though. I got the text message like hey look. I'm down a pant size So wow wait hold on a second. She's down a pant size and her weight is up a little bit

Starting point is 01:07:58 Do you know what that means? Yeah, she's she's lost body fat and she's gained muscle that electronic Compatient scale don't rely on that by the way. That's one of our inconsistent ways of test body fat. Use body fat calipers or use circumference measurements. Yeah, it's good at showing that. And practice going back to what I was saying, practice while you're in the workouts and you're communicating these things,

Starting point is 01:08:21 practice helping her make the connections to all the other positive things. It's really tough when a client comes in and they have a very specific goal, I want to get this body fat off, I want to build this muscle, I want to run faster, they become very myopic and that's all they think about, right? But you as a coach want to help them make that connection to all the other aspects of their life that is improving and it's not just simply pointing it out one time, it's constantly reminding them that, you know, that's why you feel so good because we keep doing this.

Starting point is 01:08:46 This is what's so great. Remind yourself, that's why you love this thing. It's not just about that weight on the scale. It's also about all these other things that your life is improving. Awesome. Hey, that answers my question, thanks guys, I appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:08:59 Show her this episode, Brian. So she can. I will. Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, that's it. That's the secret. Thank you. Yeah, that's it. That's the secret to successful trainers. Well, you nailed it.

Starting point is 01:09:09 I mean, that's tough though. That takes a lot of experience to learn to kind of work up your confidence to get to that level where you can just be adamant. We are on the right track and be able to keep painting that vision. And again, you really do have to get in there ear that like what we are doing is moving us into the right place we want to be.

Starting point is 01:09:29 That's the hard part. That's the hard part is a trainer coach because the person wants what they want or they want what they think they need or they want they actually don't have an idea. So you have to communicate this effectively and you have to do it constantly and you have to help them build a relationship with exercise that doesn't just revolve around body weight. It revolves around a lot of the benefits,

Starting point is 01:09:48 or all the benefits, because it gives them a much clearer picture. Our next caller is Sean from Minnesota. Sean, what's happening, man? How can I help you? Guys, how are you doing today? Good, really good. How are you doing? Hey, I just can't tell you how grateful I am

Starting point is 01:10:02 for everything you guys do. I mean, it's your passion, your energy, your synergy together, your knowledge. It's completely helped me in so many ways. And I just want to say thank you. You're just, you guys are just awesome. Man, appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:10:19 Well, you got a 54 year old man started his first maps program six weeks ago. I think it was now And slowly trying to get my body back to moving Long story short, you know, I started training back when I was 16-18 and it's funny. I just caught your podcast. What was it three? I'm sorry at the beginning of the year so I finally found it through a lot of diving I did with Sal, I don't know how your tummy was, but I had a really bad tummy where I couldn't walk the dog around the block without dry heaving and throwing up

Starting point is 01:10:54 and thought I'd better get on this stuff. So I could start diving deep into it, finally found you guys. So anyway, I came up and some of your stories are great. I still remember I came from a universal machine when I first put up 100 pounds and put in the big plates on the weight, and then I went through college and back in the late 80s, it was the bigger, faster, stronger

Starting point is 01:11:16 program, out of the brass gut, the football team that was having a lot of success. So, my career really been based around performance, power, speed, whatever we want to call it. Training on the Ayridain bike, the old Ayridain, we were pumping the arms back in the 90s. And then, you know, through my 40s, got more in the old man workout, whereas working out just to kind of maintain and had the kids growing up. And then now at 54, I find myself taking care of the tummy first, the foundation down there, and then kind of branching out and really want to do what I really want to do.

Starting point is 01:11:56 And I've been doing mobility for the last six weeks. And I don't have a plan or a big achievement goal, but I'd like to get out of bed without worrying about my back hurting after so many years. I'd like to get the mobility and I've been working a lot in my workouts. I went to the full body workouts to the first time in my life, which I love. And really focusing on form, focusing on structure, going back to, I've had a few surgeries and things like that. We're using one limit of time, right, you know, pause down,

Starting point is 01:12:30 perfect form, explode up, right, arm first, right arm first, left arm second, whatever it is. But I really just want to know you guys just take on it both. Am I starting out of the right path? There's a gal that works to your name, Ann, she's been a godsend, She's kind of helped me get gone. And, you know, and I'm just wondering,

Starting point is 01:12:49 am I starting out on the right path to live the second part, the second half of life as I'm looking down the hill? Yeah. Now, Sean, you used to play professional hockey. I saw this in your, in the question that you sent us, correct? Yes, sir.

Starting point is 01:13:03 I played for a while. Oh, good deal. So you've, you, you Yes, there, I played for a while. Good deal. So you, what drove you to work out for so long was high level performance. High level performance, pushing your body, getting stronger, being faster. The challenge with that is making the mental switch,

Starting point is 01:13:20 which I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, right? Making the mental switch from pushing performance, just feeling better and working on mobility. So that's the big challenge. Although it sounds like you're on the right track, it really does. It sounds like you're really moving in the right direction. As far as programs are concerned, Sean, I like map symmetry for someone like you. I think that would be a great program because it's all unilateral.

Starting point is 01:13:42 Or at least there's a few phases in there that are mostly unilateral in the first couple weeks or isometric to really get the body to fire properly. And it does encourage balance throughout the body. And you do get mobility movements in that as well. If you don't have a program like Maps Prime or Prime Pro, I think those will help you as well. He's got prime already. He's done the compass test already.

Starting point is 01:14:02 So he's got prime, but I agree symmetry will send over to you. You got to have that and I'd like to put them in the forum and I'd like to point out did I just look you up and see that you're a Stanley cup winner also? We're not gonna mention that we're not gonna mention that bro. You're just gonna like Yeah, we're just gonna say like yeah, I kind of played some professional. I'm a big deal That's fucking awesome. Yeah, that's red and we will I'm gonna I'm gonna put a clip up. You're kind of a big deal. That's fucking awesome. Yeah, that's red. And I'm gonna put a clip up when you're talking now. So now that I know that, dude, I can't believe you did mention that.

Starting point is 01:14:32 Yeah. I mean, you got the right idea. You got the right attitude. For the gut health, I don't know if you're working with a functional medicine practitioner, but that's where I would go. Because if you can't get that, if you get that solved, it makes a huge difference. If you can't get it, if you don't get it solved, it's gonna really make everything else so much more challenging.

Starting point is 01:14:50 But you're on the right path, man, really just, what you're aiming for is feeling good. Like, how's my energy? How do I feel? Do I feel mobile? Do I feel stiff? Do I feel painful? I don't, what you don't wanna aim for is soreness and exhaustion, and beating yourself up.

Starting point is 01:15:07 That really doesn't have a lot of value for you anymore. Now it's like, do I feel better after my workout than I did before? Do I move better? Am I getting out of bed with lots of energy? Use that as your guide, and then slowly you'll progress. Sounds like you've already reframed all that. I mean, it sounds like your mindset is in that direction,

Starting point is 01:15:24 which is the hardest thing with ex-athletes, especially of your caliber, to get them to not identify with the workouts the same way and not approach them with the same type of intensity, whereas you can use that discipline, that athletic discipline, and move it more towards restoring your body and addressing imbalances, and really bringing yourself back

Starting point is 01:15:47 up to optimal health. So I really think that you're on the right track. Everything that you've mentioned so far is what I would recommend. So I know you called us to ask us questions, but I want to ask you a couple questions since I have you. So give me a favorite player to play with

Starting point is 01:16:01 and Guy you hated playing against. Oh, I have a great question. Well, I was blessed to play for and guy you hated playing against. Oh, great question. Well, I was blessed to play for a little while. And you know, I played with a guy named Peter Forsberg and goes, that I can call her out of that. We're just for people. I mean, super players, but they were even better people. Great human beings.

Starting point is 01:16:20 And I got to learn from them daily. I really learned a lot when the paycheck showed up because there was a few extra zeros on it. And playing against, you know, just the great players that were, you know, the amuse of the world, the winged gratskeys of the world and back to my era. It's back when I have an egg or like myself I've got to actually be out there and try to shut them down

Starting point is 01:16:43 and try to keep up with them. So, you know, it was just, it was fun. Those are great. I know those are easy names that throw out there, but learned a lot from both of them, both on the ice and off the ice. Do you still hang around the sport and follow it closely? Are you over it? You know what, I've been lucky.

Starting point is 01:16:59 I've been able to coach my kids growing up. I got a 19 year old, actually, like the upper upper mont and I got a little boy 15 and I don't putting on the skates these days like you're talking about stability is definitely something that I like to focus on because when you throw the razor blades on your feet that's not all there as much as it used to be. But yeah so I'm around the game I I can salt in it and I'm still coaching in but yeah, it's just I'm really enjoyed it. It's been a blessing for me and my family and and it's just been great.

Starting point is 01:17:31 Well, good deal. So cool, Sean. I think I did you tell him we're giving him the four sets of the forum. We're going to set you up with the forum. I'm going to send you map symmetry as well, because I think that'll be a good program if you don't already have it. Well, you guys that's very nice. You don't need to do that, but I just I just want to let you know what a big difference you've made, not only millions of people's lives, but mine.

Starting point is 01:17:50 It's just been amazing. I'm all in. You guys are just a blessing. And telling you from a guy who is 54, and I put that first compass test, the first three, and got a definite F minus and all three. And with your being the kind of ship from that mine focused to the fine body connection instead of having to put up the you know whatever way it is in the bench press

Starting point is 01:18:16 the right arm already finished in the left arm about halfway up to really focusing on that stuff it's been it's been a godsend so thank you boys I appreciate it. And if there's anything I could ever do for you, please let me know I appreciate it make sure you say make sure you say hi to us when you get the forum So tag us and then we'll make sure we stay on top you and pay attention to how everything's going I will for sure. Thank you boys. Thanks for calling man. Oh, that's really cool Yeah, so hey, this is so great. Doug's looking him up over there. He's a Stanley Cup winner. No big deal.

Starting point is 01:18:48 That's pretty rad. That's a slouch. But I tell you, man, it's just that you probably have the most experience with this because you played at a pretty high level. It's like, I've trained people like this, not profession X-PROs, but people who played college. And it was years later, and their mentality was the main thing I had to switch because when you train for decades

Starting point is 01:19:06 For maximum performance it is a completely different mentality when you're training to correct imbalances and a move better It's like it's so different and you're so disciplined, you know, and that's the thing. It's like It's a hard thing because it works so well for you It got you to the highest of highs like a standing cup. That's amazing. You can't get any higher than that in that sport. And so, yeah, to now really focus on what's going to benefit the rest of your life and being able to be there with your kids and move and be active and healthy. Different mentality. Totally different mentality. You can apply that same athletic mind in that direction. That's right. That's the cool part about getting a client like That's right, that's the cool part

Starting point is 01:19:45 about getting a client like this. Yes, they got the discipline. Yeah, once you get them to switch the mindset and make and figure out like the way they need to focus and channel that energy, they're incredible. Because they've, for decades had built that discipline, it's just learning how to refocus it. It's not about intensity and how much weight I can move. It's like applying that discipline towards okay, getting better connected, more

Starting point is 01:20:10 mobility, like overall health, like, and he's there dude. So it'll be cool to watch his journey. Our next caller is Dan from Georgia. What's up, Dan? How can I help you? Doing great guys. I just wanted to thank you guys, you know, Doug Adam Sal and Tiny Beard for doing everything. Yes. Long live Tiny Beard. Keep it going. Recognize. Thank you, Dan. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I'm running into this problem with my back squats and it seems like randomly happened to me. It feels like it might be fatigue because I just can't seem to lift the weight I normally can. Also, I'm not sure if it's maybe just because I'm an old injury. I had about 10 years ago,

Starting point is 01:20:49 like I think I might have herneed it at a disc and maybe that's impacting as well. So, I'll go like squatting like low bar doing like a top set of four reps to like 260 pounds comfortably. To then having to do 205 or 185, because it feels like so intense, like I'm still doing 260 or even heavier. So I'll seemingly work my way all the way back up, then it just happens to me again. And just give me some context,

Starting point is 01:21:18 I've been lifting for just a little over a year now. And so I just see what you guys would recommend for a new lift for like me to figure out how would I go about like troubleshooting this like, would it be a mobility, priming, fatigue or symmetry problem maybe? Interesting. Do you get painful?

Starting point is 01:21:35 Is it an injury that you feel? Uh, I wanna say it just feels like tight. Like almost like if I was to go stretching, like it feel like it'd be like a little bit better. But um, so let me get this straight. You you you work up to 260 and then all of a sudden you draw you have to go down 60 pounds and then and then you can build it back up again over time and then it does it again. So it's like all of a sudden. Right. So it'll be like three or four months. Like um, just recently I got above it and I got to,

Starting point is 01:22:07 I tried to have one rep max and I got up to 195. Now, I felt good there for a little while, then all of a sudden, when I started anabolic, I couldn't hardly do one reps for 260. I got to 2.95, yeah. I mean, just recently, but in the beginning, I got up to 230, then95 you met. Yeah. Well, I mean, just recently, but like in the beginning, like, I got up to like two 30, then I had to drop it down to like, you know, 150, then I got up to 260, then I had to drop it down to like 185 because it, I don't know, like just

Starting point is 01:22:34 something happened just also and it just became unbearable. I just had a lot of there. There's a lot of different things that could be usually strength. The clients don't happen rapidly, like all of a sudden. Which that's what you're saying, right, Dan? It's just all of a sudden at an hour. Yeah, and are we okay? I just want to get some clarity here

Starting point is 01:22:52 before we start troubleshooting here. Is this within a single workout? Or do you mean like over a period of time? Like so, for example, like you come in on Monday and you were hitting it, hitting 260, then all of a sudden the following Monday, you squat again and you can only do 180 or is it within that workout you work up to 260, then you have to drop all the way back down to 180 or something.

Starting point is 01:23:14 Give me more questions. Yeah, it's the following week. I feel like I'm like, really excellent. I just hit the 260 really hard. Then like, you know, the next week I was like, yeah, I mean, I could definitely like pump that up, like, you know, another 5 to 10 pounds. Now, have you teased out? Have you teased out like other things that are going on in your life at the same time?

Starting point is 01:23:31 For example, like, you know, has it been a stressful week for work? Did I not get very good rest? Was your diet really dialed in on one week and not so another week? Did you train it at different times? Like, a lot of these other factors could have impact. Yeah, but, but to have it drop from 260 to 180 in a week, without like lots of pain, like it's an injury, that is, if you get weaker within a week,

Starting point is 01:23:55 it's usually 10 pounds, 15 pounds. You know, it can be as much as 30 pounds, but we're talking about when you're squatting a lot, 500 pounds down to 470, that's, but 260 to 185, it's a pretty big drop and within that weight range, within a week, I would have, I would go get my nervous system checked and make sure that there's no issues with,

Starting point is 01:24:16 where I'm leaning. Yeah, with your nervous system or where you're not getting all the sudden, something's getting blocked and you're unable to fire the juice to the muscles, if you will. So I would actually, this is something that I would turn to Western medicine for,

Starting point is 01:24:32 and I would let my doctor know and say, it's very strange, I have these sudden drops, significant sudden drops and strength, in a very short period of time, because if you went from 260 to like, oh, then I went up to, then it was 240 the following week or 250,

Starting point is 01:24:45 and it felt just as heavy. Well, that can happen with over training and fatigue. This is also perceived though, bro. You gotta think, okay, what I'm hearing though from him is not like, he also feels all stiff or weak and can't do that. He says he doesn't do it. Yeah, I can't do it.

Starting point is 01:24:58 I know, but that's not, okay, so there's definitely been times, not that long ago where I'm lifting where, you know, 315 feels comfortable, and then also the next week, like 275 feels like a fucking brick house. 315 to 275 is different than 260 to 185. That's a big drop, and the more weight you lift, the bigger the drop can be with fatigue.

Starting point is 01:25:20 But 260 to 185, I would definitely get, I would have my nervous system shut down. I mean, does it like shut off? Like do you lose muscle tension, you know, within your rep, like is this something that like is problematic in terms of when you're, when you're getting up to that amount of weight, does your body just sort of shut off?

Starting point is 01:25:40 No, like it just, it feels like just really heavy. So like, okay. I'm trying feels like just really heavy so like I'm trying to think like I know like the very first time like it's ever happened to me Which were like I fit teague down like I was benching one time and it also had the same effect where I went from like you know 150 I had to go down to 95, but that's the only time it's ever happened to me benching But I I seemingly have this happen to me multiple times But it's only with my back squat. Yeah I would get the nervous system look at and then do you notice any never happens to me, Ben she, but I, I seemingly have this happen to me multiple times, but it's only with my back squat. Yeah, I would get the nervous system looked at.

Starting point is 01:26:09 And then do you notice any other symptoms along with that, like more fatigue, worse sleep, changes in balance or anything like that? No, I like, I feel like I sleep great. And like, I've been sleeping even better since like Adam recently mentioned like the chili pad. And like ever since I've gotten that, like, I've been sleeping even better that Adam recently mentioned the chili pad and ever since I've gotten that I've been sleeping even better. That's been in godsend. Now, what does your nutrition look like? How have you been eating a carb amount? What's the kind of energy you have going into these workouts?

Starting point is 01:26:37 Well, for the last year because I'm really kind of tiny, I'm at 6 six three. And last year I started at like about 160 pounds, I've been bulky like constantly. So like from the, I guess the time I started experiencing this, my calories have been anywhere from like 3,500 to about 4,000. Hmm, okay. Yeah, I mean go get it looked at it. I wouldn't, I'm mystified. Yeah, that's a big drop.

Starting point is 01:27:02 That's a pretty big drop. Now the way I would work out with the information that I'm, that I'm given right now Yeah, because that's a big drop. That's a pretty big drop. Now, the way I would work out with the information that I'm giving right now is I would reduce your intensity overall. And I would just train with a moderate level of intensity until you get cleared and make sure that there's nothing going on with your nervous system. And there's nothing autoimmune that's going on.

Starting point is 01:27:20 So those are the big ones I'd want to just double check. And I'm not saying that's what's happening, but a drop in strength strength that significant in that range It's pretty it's pretty rare. It's pretty rare unless something big happened which you would you would know You would have told me and said hey I did 261 week and then I got lost four nights of sleep Or I got really sick and then went back to the gym in which case I would say well, yeah that makes sense but if nothing big happened in between and You were doing 261 week and the next week it was 185 and it felt just as heavy, that's what makes me say,

Starting point is 01:27:50 let's rule out any medical conditions first. Yeah. Huh. Like, I'm just trying to think for this. So if it was just like 30 pounds, instead like that would that still be acceptable or that still be like probably I mean you know 20 20 pounds You know at 260 I mean I would expect that like if I trained to climb over this way If I trained to client and they did 260 for four on Monday and then I saw them the following Monday and they were struggling to get four with 185 I would have a lot of questions. Okay, I'm not trying to freak you out. I'm just trying to yeah Yeah, just I think it'd be a good idea to rule out, because you know what could happen? You said you had a herniated disc before

Starting point is 01:28:29 and you're written question. You could literally, you could be, the herniation could be pressing on a nerve that could make you lose strength and you just don't know it. That's why I was worried, like, maybe your whole body kind of shuts down once you're in mid-lifts.

Starting point is 01:28:43 That's why that would be my concern is like, you're something like that happening. Yeah, so I wish we could be more help, but I think that you just require. Well, what we'll do is, what, Dan, are you not in our form yet? Are you in our form? No.

Starting point is 01:28:57 Okay, so I'll have Doug give you access to our free form. Then I'd love for you to go get it looked at and then to give us more feedback after that. I would even love to see like a squat. So if I could see maybe we could video the next time. It'd be great to see the two squats. The contrast. That's right. Yeah, that's right. So maybe you could video some squats for us, throw it in the form so we can take a look and see if we can help troubleshoot this. There is a lot of variables here. So I mean, it's really tough to nail it down, say, oh, this is for sure what's going on with you. But maybe we can help further after one,

Starting point is 01:29:30 go get a look at that to shoot some videos for us in the form. Yes, definitely something I've been working on because I had a hard time sort of going down to parallel then I just dropped all the way down to about 135 and what basically asked to grass and been feeling it in my quads now. But I'm gonna be going to performance here. Would it be better for me to run symmetry

Starting point is 01:29:54 before performance or focus on prime or prime pro? I think symmetry would be better for me. Do you have that program, Dan? Yes. All right, perfect. That'd be a great option. All right, man. Well, thank you guys. I appreciate it. Keep us posted, man.. That'd be a great option. All right. All right. Well, thank you guys. I appreciate it. Keep us posted, man. I'm curious. We'll do. Thank you. All right.

Starting point is 01:30:10 Yeah. I don't want to scare him. But, you know, imagine if you had a client that did. No, you're right. I would I would want to check for so you're right. That's got rule things out. The number the number is pretty large. That's when I would send a client to the client. He could also be kind of like you might be explaining the most extreme situation, right, or case. You all, here's some things too. Okay. Like so this is very possible. You take it. You got somebody who is, you know, very interested in increasing their back squat and they, they're, they're, they love to keep testing their PR. He hits a PR 260. Overreaches, sores fuck, has a rough week, maybe stress wise, didn't consume enough calories really and then goes in the next week. Very easily could see a huge drop in the squat. I mean, I've done this to myself. I just feel like I feel like that would have been a part of his question. And you know, he's like, you're right.

Starting point is 01:31:00 I mean, I think your advice is right. I mean, go get this, go get it looked at first just to make sure we can. I would rule out autoimmune issues. Make sure there's nothing autoimmune going on because there's certain autoimmune issues, especially those that affect the nervous system where you'll go through, like you'll feel fine and then you'll get a bout of sudden weakness or loss of balance or issues like that.

Starting point is 01:31:22 Could also be like we said, you guys said you had a herni a hernia and he had a disc. If that hernia and a disc sometimes impedes the nerve and sometimes it doesn't, it doesn't have to completely cut the nerve off, it's just weaker, and so you're not pushing as hard, and you feel normal, you just notice the bar is much lighter, so.

Starting point is 01:31:38 Yeah, there's a lot of possibilities. Yeah, but the nutrition was where I went initially, because to me, I think that's what this says to me, is like, I thought maybe he was like, he was like, dieting, right? Like, I thought maybe nutrition was where I went initially because to me I think that that's what this says to me is like He I thought maybe he was like way he was like dieting right like I thought maybe he was cutting Yeah, right hits this PR then also is an extreme cut. Maybe he's not sleeping very well. Okay. That's it's possible to see a drop Like that. Although that is a pretty big drop our next caller is Brent from Colorado Brent. What's happening? How can we help you? Hey, I was a going just wanted to start out saying thank you. I've been listening to you guys basically every day

Starting point is 01:32:08 for the last two years. And because of you all, I did. I went all in with NCI and I've been learning great stuff from them. Awesome. I do. Yeah, so my question is program, how to program for my soldiers.

Starting point is 01:32:22 So I've got about 15 soldiers that I'll work with for about 60 to 90 minutes a day. So a little bit of background. I've been in the Army for 14 and a half years. There's been a lot of changes in the fitness program, but it's always seems to be pretty slow and to catch on the catch and up. Typically the PT sessions are either bare minimum, do some push-ups setups, and then just getting through the time, or they're extremely intense where they're trying the instructors are trying to make people puke. So we are aircraft mechanics, so we do do some heavy lifting, carrying toolboxes, heavy parts, stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:33:02 Sorry, I'm a little bit of brain fog. My kids got me sick. I feel that. Yeah, I think on the, I was listening to you guys this morning, and he said that you I'm going to have been two weeks. I'm going to go on. I'm going through it right now again. So, I feel yeah. So the army started a holistic health and fitness program to kind of do like an overall fitness. They changed the ACFT to the ACFT, which is not just pushed up to sit-ups anymore. We do have some equipment. We've got hex bars and barbells and hex bars, barbells, kettlebells, bands, benches, all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 01:33:47 We don't have dumbbells though, but the issue is all the soldier in different places. So some of them are actually fairly physically fit. Others of them, they need some work. So my main goal was to build their strength, to kind of burn off some of the excess fat, and then worry about improving their ACFT sports because they can already all pass the ACFT. The minimums are pretty low. So I guess that's where I end of my question is how do I have to do that program with that kind of equipment for a group of people with that variance on age and size and physical fitness levels. I like symmetry.

Starting point is 01:34:25 Yeah. Brent, Brent, you have, you have in your written question, it says 60 to 90 minutes with them every day. Is that seven days a week or five days a week? Five days a week. So five days a week you have, and then you send your main goal is to make them stronger, build some muscle. Yeah, initially, so I figure if I can build up, get them some muscle on them and try to burn

Starting point is 01:34:44 off some of the excess fat that they Added on over the last couple of years because the army with the transition in the program Kind of stop doing the PT test and started implementing this and then COVID and Some people weren't doing PT at all and it's been pretty rough on us for that couple of years Okay, so the building muscles gonna help with the fat loss most of the fat loss gonna happen with diet Which I know you don't have much control over but if you try to burn their fat off with the workouts It's gonna be a bit of a struggle with you know even if you did it five days a week So what the way I would train them is I would do two or three days a week full body strength training

Starting point is 01:35:16 And then two days a week of mobility and the way you train multiple people is you set them up And you have them you teach them technique So why you train multiple people is you set them up and you teach them technique, have them go lighter than they think they need to go, and then you walk through and correct their form and be really as good stickler with technique and with form. But I would focus on the compound basic, being on the basic lifts, dead lifts and squats

Starting point is 01:35:38 and overhead presses and bench presses and rows and I throw some rotation in there, maybe some split stance exercises, about two or three days a week. And then the other days, I would use something like Maps Prime Pro. The webinar. The webinar.

Starting point is 01:35:51 I haven't followed the webinar. It's like a group setting. You have to, have you seen the Prime Pro webinar that I did? I've seen parts of it. I haven't seen all of it. Okay, so it's free, right? So you can get access to that at PrimeProWebinar.com

Starting point is 01:36:03 and watch that. It's about 50 minutes long. I think it's actually what I would teach classes. So I think it's great forever. So no matter what level of mobility you're at, and they can literally just follow along. I would literally put it up there. Or you learn it yourself so you can teach it. It's up to you whether you throw it on a TV and they follow it or you learn it yourself and then teach it to them. That's what I would do for the mobility days at South Saying. I agree the strength. I like symmetry.

Starting point is 01:36:29 Only problem with that is he says they don't have dumbbells. Yeah, just barbells, sex bars. Yeah, so performing a mass performance. We have kettlebells too. Okay, kettlebells. Okay, kettlebells. You could modify some of it with kettlebells, but I still think anabolic or mass performance,

Starting point is 01:36:44 you know, the foundational workouts, two or three three days a week and then on those other days mobility, I think it'll be perfect. Yeah, the only challenge with a group on anabolic will just be like, you may have people, I don't know where their level of fitness is at that aren't ready for a barbell back squat yet, for example, and so you might have to modify, right? So maybe somebody, maybe you got some advanced people that have been lifting for a while, they have great technique and you can kind of basically, they can just follow them up, but then you have somebody else who has terrible squat technique,

Starting point is 01:37:09 and maybe you modify instead of them doing that, or doing a lunge, or something else that's a little less risky. And so you might have to do that, right? Because you're teaching in a group setting. That's the only thing the tip that I would give is those high technique exercises like squatting and deadlifting in particular.

Starting point is 01:37:26 You may modify them for the people that aren't quite at that level to where you could just tell them to squat and walk away. Yeah, you could go instead of a squat, you could do a split stance, exercise, walking lunges, and then instead of a straight bar deadlift, you could do a hex bar deadlift, which requires less skill. So you could throw those modifications in there, but yeah, five days a week, three days, two to three days of full body strength training, and then two to three days of correctional mobility type work. You've got yourself a really good routine, and they're going to feel good as they do it, and they will build muscle, and they will build strength.

Starting point is 01:38:00 That'll help with the fat loss as they start to speed up their metabolism. I mean, I'm honest with you that the fat loss, a lot of it's gonna be when they're not with you right? They're diet so you're in the military so you can beat them up a little bit and tell them Call them fat whatever. I don't know if you guys are allowed to do that anymore But it's round upon How's going on? Yeah, no, I'm gonna work with them with their nutrition also. I mean, I've learned a lot from it I was already a nutritionist, but andI has helped with the actual application. So perfect I'm gonna work with them. I'm definitely working with them with that. Okay, Brad.

Starting point is 01:38:33 And then I do have anabolic. So I was gonna I wasn't sure about how to Program it into how to modify it into a group setting. I mean the first The first and second phase are pretty easy But once you get to the third phase, the rest periods are so short, it's kind of hard to get everybody through with that rest period. It doesn't have to be perfect. You can keep on longer, and you can also go phase one,

Starting point is 01:38:53 phase two, phase one, phase two. And then I would go mass performance. Do you have that program? No, I do not. I'll send that to you, Brent, because mass performance is great. Okay, awesome. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:39:02 Yeah, no problem, man. Thanks for calling in. Yep, no, thank you. Yeah, no problem, man. Thanks for calling in. Yep. No, thank you. Yeah, group strength training is really hard. Very hard. Yeah, I know Justin, you do it with your football players.

Starting point is 01:39:11 It's a tough one, man. I mean, it gets away from you really quickly. And it's, I mean, for me, it's about slowing it down and like really trying to like apply things like isometric so I can at least like make sure everybody gets the concept of how to brace properly, how to hold certain positions, but really at that point like you have to kind of trust that they're going to apply the exercise with appropriate form. Yeah, totally because otherwise you're everybody's doing strength training. You're watching this guy over here, that guy over there, that girl over there, doing it wrong.

Starting point is 01:39:40 Yeah, you start to get injuries and stuff like that. Well, and here's an example of where I I mean, we always talk about how, you know, how important squatting and deadlifting is and it is. And if I had each one of those people individually, I would be working on all of them getting great at those movements, but if I'm forced to teach in a class setting. Yeah, that's why I said walking lunges.

Starting point is 01:39:57 Yeah, I'm going to look at my 20, you know, 20 pilots or whatever, or soldiers and go, hey, you know, these five have great squat mechanics and deadlift mechanics. So you guys can follow Anna Borg, according to these other ones that are all over the board. I don't have the time to coach each individual up. So it's like, you're gonna do a lunch. Yeah, so that's, yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:40:17 I had to look to at like which one had the most, at least risk in, you know, had the most like benefit in, you know, had the most like benefit to them too. So like a trap more deadlift versus like regular deadlift. I don't have that much time to coach all those cues and get everybody on the same page. So I would prefer them to just do that

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