Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1834: Natural Ways to Raise Testosterone, How to Avoid Gaining Fat on the Weekends, Keeping Weight Off After Gastric Bypass Surgery & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:59 the more obese we have become. You've said that before, mainly Doritos. You've said that before, but I don't know if I've ever seen that graph before. Yes, I don't know if I've seen one either, but. But you keep saying it on the bottom. No, no, no. If you look at the percentage of our diet that's made up of heavily processed foods and I mean, I agree with you and I think that makes total sense, but I don't know if I've

Starting point is 00:03:22 ever seen somebody pull up a graph that shows that. You know what the problem is, is that we blamed it on fat, right, and then we said, oh no, it's carbon-hyde. And that's all, okay, so that's all been debunked. Well, but here's the thing, and then they'll say it's salt. These are all the things I heard you. But the reality is heavily processed foods are high in all those things,

Starting point is 00:03:40 because that's what makes them palatable. And you eat more calories when you eat foods that are heavily processed, that's what makes them palatable. And you eat more calories when you eat foods that are heavily processed. So that's a fact. So okay, when, what year, I mean, we've been processing food forever, but what year did it explode? Like when did the, when it really starts to become

Starting point is 00:03:56 a focal life? Yes. It started to really kick up in the 70s. Really? You had TV dinners which kind of became a thing in the fifth day. It had to be related to the microwave, right? Microwave made a big, made a big part of that.

Starting point is 00:04:09 Also, also, um, dual income households grew quite a bit. So traditionally, you had one parent at home, usually the mom, and she usually prepared meals when both parents work, convenience became a big factor. We need food to be convenient and easy. Heavenly processed foods entered into... Are you two hunting this down right now so that you make your sounds not lying? No, I'm not lying, bro.

Starting point is 00:04:31 This is 100%. Well, we know for a fact that it's excess calories. We know it's not activity. We used to think it was, oh, we're not moving enough, but we show that that doesn't make up that big of a difference. It's that we eat too damn much. And the best studies on the show,

Starting point is 00:04:45 that people eat 600 more calories a day, just from eating heavily processed foods. That's a big difference. That's the deficit that we put people in while we're trying to get them loose body fat. It's always been in the food, like certain companies, best interest to get you to keep consuming their product.

Starting point is 00:04:59 So like all of their science and efforts went into like having you not just be able to eat one and be satisfied but eat multiples and get through the entire you know chip bag or the entire of food so you could go back and you buy more. Dude, do you know how many potatoes are in a large bag of lace potato chips? Like eight? No, it's like five four or five. Nobody could eat four or five plain potatoes. Most people couldn't do that all in one sitting, but I know a lot of people that could eat a whole bag of chips. No problem.

Starting point is 00:05:28 I know I could. So it makes that big of a difference. It'd be interesting to see how much the average Americans diet is made up of process. 70% today. Yeah. And so where I was going with that was the, how that's changed.

Starting point is 00:05:40 Where was it 10 years ago? Where was it 10 years before that? Where was it, you know, 40 years ago? That's a good thing to look up. Yeah, I think that would be's a good thing to look up. I think that would be a really good thing. Because that would, I think that would, whether you, these guys look at,

Starting point is 00:05:49 they can't find graphs, dogs have a hard time I see over there. You know how to Google? Yeah. No, obviously not. And do you struggle on too? Maybe sells a liar. No.

Starting point is 00:05:56 No, I just need to find a solution. It's a bunch of me. I get, I get, I get. I have one graph, but it's not exactly what I want. You can just look up what percentage of our diets is made up of healthy processed foods over the years, and then maybe we'll find some numbers. But what's that? That's obesity.

Starting point is 00:06:13 I mean, obesity is just like skyrocketing. And what year did you see? 1960, we see. Yeah. And that's really about the time that, you know, ultra processed foods became really pretty much what else happened? Doug, when you were, what else that was, what else that was crazy from the 60s to now? Well, I mean, there was the low fat, fat,

Starting point is 00:06:31 that, you know, what they did is they added sugar instead of fat to food. The other thing was the use of high fructose corn syrup. Yeah, I mean, sugar is literally in like, like what do they say, 80 or 90% of all foods in the grocery store? Yeah, all these things that Doug is talking about are ways of making food more palatable and processing them more to do so.

Starting point is 00:06:52 But I mean, that's exactly what I said. Doug, when you were a kid, do you remember how much of meals were heavily processed foods versus today? Well, I mean, I can't speak for everybody, but my family, you know, we basically, my mom cooked everything. So going out to eat was actually a treat. Yeah. You know, it's funny. If you look at Europe, there are obesity rates have obviously taken off as well. Italy actually did pretty well for a long time. Now, my family's from Italy and the tines are, the culture is very centered around homemade food. They tend to be food snobbs

Starting point is 00:07:26 when it comes to food, but now they're heavily processed, food consumption's gone up as well, and their obesity's gone up. When was the twinkie and the hoho invented? Oh, those were old. Oh, that's pretty old, yeah. Yeah, so, okay, so then this is- But that wasn't a majority of a person's diet.

Starting point is 00:07:40 I know, but okay, but I mean those, okay, those things have been around forever. Now, so you think it's processed foods more than it is like the lack of exercise in movement. That's, that's for sure been, been proven for sure. They've tried to connect it to activity and that doesn't. Because if we had all the same amount of processed food, the chips, the ho-hoes, all these things that we had in the 40s and 50s when kids were outside playing and doing things, you think that we would still see, you would still see very close numbers.

Starting point is 00:08:04 Probably a little different, but you would still see very close numbers. Probably a little different, but you would still see very close numbers. Yeah, because you got to think that a huge spike is not a single thing, right? The technology's played a role, right? Atari came in what, the 70s. So kids weren't even glued to television before the 70s.

Starting point is 00:08:19 Doug, that graph right there with obesity, what year is it where it really started to take off? Around 1960. No, no, no, no. Yeah, so it was probably around 1990s. Okay. It really started to do the off. Really start to take off.

Starting point is 00:08:34 Yeah, I mean, Well, we should have the answer from this is our generation. You really started to see the explosion of both parents working and convenience became a huge thing. So it was a lot of meals that were in boxes. I mean, I know that was for our family, right? So like, what was that? What's the tr- the swanson truck?

Starting point is 00:08:51 What's the truck that goes around the frozen, the guy that drives in? Is it swanson? You guys ever get swanson? No. My family got swanson. We had bigel bites. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:59 No, that was Costco, like, supply it all. That was part of that. Swanson did bigel bites, did corn dogs, did frozen burritos, and those were all became, like, staple things in my house. And it wasn't when I was really young. When I was really young, my mom made dinner almost every night for us, and that was pretty,

Starting point is 00:09:13 and she still made dinner a lot. Give my mom a listens to this. My mom was amazing. She made lots of dinners, okay. Oh. She must've got trouble. She made some of the caviar. My mom always gave me a blast

Starting point is 00:09:23 for my mom. That's not true, you're exaggerating. Okay, okay. But we did have these frozen foods. I remember that's when I got introduced to me, and then I remember when I was on my own, that's what I lived off. Well dessert was also a food group.

Starting point is 00:09:35 Yeah, like I noticed that. It was like always like, you know, meal, but then you had dessert after the meal, especially dinner. Well, you know what's interesting? Another interesting place to look at was Mexico. Mexico, obesity was non-existent, and then all of a sudden exploded, and now Mexico's one of the most,

Starting point is 00:09:51 at the time. I thought they'd connect that to Coke. So does. So does. So does in heavily processed foods. They're heavily processed food consumption, and soda consumption was like zero. And then all of a sudden, it became a part of the culture.

Starting point is 00:10:03 And there are a few. So Doug says the 90s were the Pepsi wars when in 90s, right? I think so, wasn't it? That was the, that was the worst? Yeah, the coldest. Definitely had to have been a factor in the whole thing with in combination with the pro.

Starting point is 00:10:15 Doug, look up Mexico's open. That's a really, okay, so like when did like, like soda vending machines get really popular? That has to be like, have you ever look at the size of a coke from the 60s? Well, okay, you've ever seen the, have you ever, just not that, coke, fries, burgers, everything, just a serving size.

Starting point is 00:10:31 What we consider a small today was like an extra large or bigger back in the 50s. So also like, like, 7-11 was big in my family. So we'd go like after church, where we'd come by big gulps and then double gulps. And it's like, you're almost drinking a full, like, two liters. No, they have, they have, I took a picture

Starting point is 00:10:53 when we had mind pump, when we first started, I stopped to the 7-Eleven, I hadn't been one in forever, and they had, I forgot what it was called, but it was a fucking gallon, dude. Like a refillable, yeah. It has a handle, I see that, yeah. It's like, it was this big. I dude. Like a refillable. He has a handle. Yes, he has. Yes, it was this big.

Starting point is 00:11:07 I took a picture of it on Instagram. When it first, this was what? Seven, eight years ago or whatever? Dude, for anybody who denies this kind of stuff, if you have so healthy, like I have my son's 19 months old, right? And we don't give him lots of this stuff at all. We just don't eat a lot of it anyway,

Starting point is 00:11:21 but especially because he's a little kid. We were at a party over the weekend. He never drinks juice, let alone soda. I don't even think he's ever tasted soda, but he's never had juice. We don't have juice. We drink water. And I got one of those Capri Sons. So they're at the party. I had a Capri Sons, and I'm like, I'm going to have him taste a little bit. And he attacked it. Like he put the strong mouth and he's trying to get the whole thing. And I take out of his mouth and he's like wants to throw tantrum. And I had to finish it myself so that he could have a tiny bit

Starting point is 00:11:49 and be like, oh, we're all done buddy. And you can see the look on his face, like, oh, more, I'm like, oh my God, it's powerful. Yeah, it's powerful stuff. Well, and it's compounding, right? So like, you introduce it to them at that young of age. And I think, and you know, not trying to condemn any parents that did this and so with that. But I mean, you introduce it, you trying to condemn any parents that did this and so

Starting point is 00:12:05 that, but I mean, you introduce it, you know, like, and oh, it's so cute. It's funny, watching them do that. And then they get used to the Capri Sons. And then that's like, that's like, it becomes water to them. And then they need the next level of sugar to get that same sensation. And then they get that. And then the next sensation, that's how you end up with these gallon big, gold drinks because of how much you need.

Starting point is 00:12:24 What does that say there for Mexico, Doug? Boy, look at the growth in that. I'm looking at the graph between 1975 to 2016, and around 1975, the obesity rate was probably around 8%, and in 2016, more around 30%. That's Mexico. That's Mexico. Wow.

Starting point is 00:12:43 And that was, remember, what was the whole Coke thing? Are the Pepsi going there? Oh, I don't know when they started making a big, a big push in there. I do know that I talked to, okay, I remember who it was. It was a trainer fitness expert who spoke Spanish. We met them at one of these events. Mm-hmm. And he was starting, he was thinking about starting a podcast and doing in Spanish. I thought that was a great idea because it's, you know, Spanish-speaking countries, one of these events. And he was starting, he was thinking about starting a podcast and doing in Spanish. I thought that was a great idea, because Spanish-speaking countries,

Starting point is 00:13:08 like they really have a need for this and a desire. And he was going through some of this stuff. And he goes, it's crazy how much he goes, obesity was not even a thing a few decades ago. Whereas here in America, we were talking about obesity, we've been talking about obesity epidemic for a while. He goes, it exploded over there. And he goes, and soda became a part of the culture.

Starting point is 00:13:27 Like every meal you serve soda. So he's like, I really wanna, you know, create this for Spanish-speaking countries in particular, Mexico. Do you believe we correct it? That we're gonna reverse it? Yeah. I don't.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Boy, I don't, I mean, I don't know how. I mean, if you've ever had, have you guys ever had anybody in your family or dealt with addiction at all like drugs and stuff like that, have you ever had it? Do you guys have anybody close to you that you've seen it like firsthand or anything? I had a friend, but not family member now.

Starting point is 00:13:52 I have, it's like it's a crazy, unbelievably powerful thing to watch, right? Like just how much it takes over somebody's life, the things that you do, you know, just to get your fix and things like that. And you're talking about drugs, right? Things that we've socially demonized and are bad. And food doesn't have that same, you know, label as drugs do,

Starting point is 00:14:13 but yet could potentially harm you the same way if you abuse it and over-consume it. So this is the reason why I don't think that we correct it is because it's still celebrating. We don't look, nobody looks at food right now and goes like, be careful, like cocaine, or heroin, or pills or anything else like that. Nobody looks at it like that still. Well, look at what you're doing.

Starting point is 00:14:34 The worst you get is when you go to the grocery store and then check out, you get like a pint of ice cream. Oh, you treat yourself to night. I didn't eat all that. Yeah, I'm just like, well, I'll give you guys an example of how challenging this is. There was a study that was published. I go on sciencedaily.com, great place by the way

Starting point is 00:14:51 to look up studies. And there was a debate over ultra-process foods, which to me is always like really a debate. So I'm pretty sure one side is accurate. The other side is funded by heavily processed food companies. Sure enough, I read the arguments, okay? On one side, the argument is studies show that people consistently over-sconsume when their diet is made up

Starting point is 00:15:11 of heavily processed foods. Very true. They've done some of the best controlled studies on this and it averaged about 600 more calories a day, which will make you gain a lot of weight in a short pretty time. The opposing argument, you're ready for this. The opposing argument was, well, you know, plant-based foods,

Starting point is 00:15:28 which are really good for us and good for the environment, are often ultra-processed, you know, cause you eat like a fake meat product or whatever. So they're trying to argue that those are healthy because they're plant-based, and therefore these are okay ultra-processed food. So we shouldn't demonize them as things that are unhealthy. It's, this is what makes it so challenging

Starting point is 00:15:49 because then you get the average person who hears all this information and says, okay, let's have dinner guys, but we're gonna eat healthy today. So instead of regular nuggets, we're gonna have vegan nuggets, we're gonna have pizza with no meat on it because it's all vegan and we're gonna, it's gonna be awesome we're gonna be so healthy so people are so confused about you know what what's gonna help them Do you know I read it? I read a thing on

Starting point is 00:16:12 Vigins you know how what percentage of people that do the vegan diet go back? Oh, it's it's gotta be a lot like 60% 82 Check it's like 82 or 84 80 for some of that range because the majority of people do it because they check it's like 82 or 84 or 80. 80, 84 or somewhere that range. Because the majority of people do it because they think it's gonna improve their health and lose weight. And the only people that stick to it are the ones that have like more allergies attached to it. Yeah, like a real strong moral.

Starting point is 00:16:35 84%. 84%. Yeah. Did you also see, so this mic get a little touchy, but it's all right. That's vegan or vegetarian. Yeah. And again, it's a majority of people who think they'll doing it

Starting point is 00:16:46 to lose weight or to improve their health, they don't have any real moral. Yeah, they watched a documentary, and I also think it's a smart one. Like people who do it because they really, really think that it's better for animals, and they really don't want to hurt animals, they're more likely to stick to it.

Starting point is 00:16:57 I still think there needs to be a market for like vegetables that are actually made out of meat. Tens of it. Tons of. There's been funny memes of people that they've done that. Yeah, like broccoli, this just like sculpted meat. Bro, this is just brown. It would look this way. This tastes just like broccoli, but it's made like sausage.

Starting point is 00:17:14 Yeah, yeah. So you just, you just look more virtuous that way. Yeah, but you're not quite as you're pretty. Yeah, you're not quite vegan. You're eating a salad with a tomato. Yeah, they're like, oh, you're doing so good. That's just hot. I am, dude, good, thank you.

Starting point is 00:17:29 Yeah, this is, okay, so this might get touchy, but a disproportionate percentage of people who are vegan have mental disorders like anxiety and depression. More so than people who are omnivore type diets. There's a couple of theories as to why. One has to do with the nutrient deficiencies that are more present in vegan diets because vegan diets require you to have more variety to make up nutrient imbalance. This where a creatine kind of helps to address some

Starting point is 00:18:00 of that. Could be that. It could be the B vitamins are very common. Low iron. There's certain nutrients that are harder to get. This way, vegans often get encouraged to take supplements. So that's that. And then the other one is this is that someone who may feel is more likely to be anxious or depressed, maybe this is a theory, maybe more likely to attach themselves to an ideology, like veganism to say, okay, well, I'm doing this because this is better for whatever. So those are two theories, but studies do show a greater percentage have those things.

Starting point is 00:18:31 So you know, since you brought up processed foods, I got to bring up this article that I read. Were you guys in the room when I was sharing about dip and dots to Doug? No, you know, I've never had dip and dots. Oh, really? Yeah, what is it? My son like was talking about it the other day.

Starting point is 00:18:43 He's like, oh, we'll try that. They're like free, it's like freeze dried ice cream balls. So it's like when I was a kid, have you guys tried them? You're gonna try it smaller. Have you tried them before? No, I haven't. Oh wow, that's great.

Starting point is 00:18:53 Yeah. Yeah, I've had them one. Andrew, you tried them. Yeah, great. So I was definitely seeing them by I did. Hold on, it's just get the hype around. It's just like when I ate astronaut ice cream in high school and in high school.

Starting point is 00:19:01 Oh yeah, it is kind of like that. Remember when they bring you that's freeze dried? Yeah. And it kind of dissolves in your mouth. Yeah. Yeah, it's super cold. Dissolves your mouth and has the flavors of what it is. Yeah, it's all right.

Starting point is 00:19:11 I mean, you know I'm an ice cream guy that I wouldn't consider it like gourmet ice cream. So it's, you know, catching me. I was not always weird. So it just dissolves. Is it even satisfying because it kind of, not as satisfying. That's part of the reason why I don't like it either, right?

Starting point is 00:19:23 You have one of those, they sell them all the time at games, like ball ball games so that's where I've had it like a ball messy maybe yeah they're less messy and they're whatever they're fun at hot baseball game and you have these frozen you know dip and dots you can have whatever but anyways my point of bringing that up it's what sexiness haven't had it because in this conversation it's kind of stupid I guess the business model so I the article that I read, did you look it up, Doug? I've tried to told you about it.

Starting point is 00:19:47 I'm looking up, now I can't seem to find it though. So how they make most of their money is nothing to do with ice cream. What? So there are massive, they sell spoons. No, they're a massive like, manufacturing for freeze dryers for massive companies.

Starting point is 00:20:04 Like huge, like quarter million dollar machinery that they supply for companies that need like freeze dryer machines or whatever, what do you call those? I don't know what you call it. I have no idea what you call those massive refrigerants. The machines that make the dip and dots. Well, not just dip and dots, anything that you would freeze dry. Like lots of things get.

Starting point is 00:20:21 So that's how they make them a drawer of their money? Yeah, all of it. If the dip and dots thing is just like a byproduct to act and ship through a lot easier with the freeze dry. Like lots of things get. So that's how they make them a drawer of their money. Yeah. All of it. The Dementot Sting is just like a byproduct. It's a back and ship food lot easier with the free dry technology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you have huge places that that's how they store they store their food. I mean, when we receive, I believe our butcher box comes in a freeze of... No, no, they freeze it, but then they put dry ice pack.

Starting point is 00:20:39 Yeah, yeah. Well, how do you think the dry ice packs where they store all these big packs like that? That's like they get stored in like a freeze dry dry. That's how they make their money. Yeah. I always wondered how profitable Some of these like a dip in dots location is or whatever. You ever see a one do that? I am I always wonder about businesses that you look at and you go like how do they make them? Remember we remember we had the discussion. I think we had a podcast about the hunting store. Yeah, just doesn't make sense to me I know people okay We brought that up and people DM me and they're like, well, Adam,

Starting point is 00:21:06 it's like the biggest hunting. Bass pro. Yeah, bass pro shops, right? Yeah, we know that, but also, it still doesn't matter if it makes sense to me. It outrages some out square footage to sell product, like, come on. You don't need all that.

Starting point is 00:21:18 And the build on it and the margins have to be. If you don't have to pay to get in, right? Because at that point, like, you build something that grandiose, you'd want to have a mission fee or something to cover. You know what places always make me wonder that? We'll go somewhere nice. We were in Carmel a few weekends ago,

Starting point is 00:21:34 Jessica and I were walking through the nice town. Carmel is expensive place, right? A lot of tech billionaires and millionaires will buy a house there because it's on the beach gorgeous, right? And we're walking through the town and I see only- You swed some air. Is beach gorgeous, right? Yeah, and we're walking to the town and I see only he's with the mayor Yeah, huh is that true right what happened? Is it not that's a Not Carmel is it Carmel Doug, you know, he's he is near me. I know that who who is

Starting point is 00:21:56 Mayor Carmel yeah, he's a mayor there. No, he was oh Oh, I only know that because I actually Oh, you know, I'm just trying to know. Oh, interesting. Well, I only know that because I actually serviced his house and we re-glazed the windows. I know before he come, you know, interested with a different job title than I. He was too serviced.

Starting point is 00:22:15 Yeah, I'm here to glaze. So, yeah, it was a glazer in the day. No, I mean, so we're walking through the town and I know it's expensive to have a shop Near the beach there and that nice down to I know it $20,000 minimum super expensive, right? And I'm looking at these shops. I'm like candles and crystals. Okay. Like how the hell is this lady or whoever Making how are they supporting the margins are crazy? So I so last night I went I don't count big the more She's on 30,000 dollars of the candle somebody bought her the store. Yeah, went and picked up a brand. I don't care how big the more it's a brand. She's selling $30,000 of the candle. Somebody bought her the store.

Starting point is 00:22:46 Yeah. And then there's a brand. Maybe it's a brand of ice cream right now that I buy. That's, it's $20 a pint for ice cream. Why? It's, well, it's like, it's all this homemade, and I told you it doesn't flare up my psoriasis. So it's like, they sweeten it with honey

Starting point is 00:23:01 and all these like natural ingredients and like, hardly anything in it that's processed like it's all natural. And of course you're by $20 on ice cream. Dude, it's not sweet. I had a wait in line. What? Yes. $20 ice cream.

Starting point is 00:23:13 A pint, bro. But there's like, you know, Ben and Jerry's it cost you like like $4.99 or $3 or what I thought that? $20 a pop. That was good. It's amazing. Wow. It's amazing.

Starting point is 00:23:24 It's called Weir Revival Ice Cream in Monoray. They ship all over. I've actually been trying to get the owners because I've been eating it now for like a year. I found it last year and I was amazed by how I've told you as before. I part of why I can't mess with ice cream is like it'll flare up my psoriasis really bad. And yet I love it still, right? So I'm always on the search of like alternatives and a lot of the alternatives are just, bleh. It's like, tell me dude, I can't have dairy, you know how annoying it is. Yeah. Every time we go get ice cream, for somewhere and there's an ice cream place, I'm always like, I'll get the dairy free option

Starting point is 00:23:51 and it's always like, and they're dairy, by the way, they're dairy, they're like raspberry sorbet. They're dairy free options, bomb. So, what I make it with, Doug, will you pull up the ingredients

Starting point is 00:23:59 so I don't mess up exactly what's in it? Well, look at that, what's got cookies on either side? Yeah, like what's their stick? It's just because it's that good or do they like make it a different way? It's what's, it's homemade. The ingredients are all natural in organic.

Starting point is 00:24:12 Like so, and it's, and it's in Monterey, your caramel area, right? So you're talking about these areas that where people can afford to pay $20 price for you. Yeah. I thought it was a mistake. The first time I got $20 for you. I had the very first time I did it, I door dashed it and it was a mistake the first time I got this. I had the very first time I did it, I dored to ask it,

Starting point is 00:24:27 and I got a $100 bill and I'm like, oh shit, I must have put like 40 of these things on that one back and look for. Yeah, I got four of them. I was like, what the hell? It's crazy. Speaking of expensive stuff, you guys see gas over here in California.

Starting point is 00:24:40 It's almost $7 gallon for premium. Insanity. I heard it, I heard it now, it's eight now. What? Yeah. So here's like a gallon for premium. Insanity. I heard it. I heard an L.A. It's eight now. What? Yeah. So you're going to wonder how are people, because a lot of people live, how are people still driving right now? A lot of people save barely enough every month to save a little bit. How are they doing it right now?

Starting point is 00:24:57 Yeah, no, if you're commuting, you're that that's killing you. I mean, if you're, if you live within five miles of your work, not such a big deal, right? You're just going to have to limit how much you're driving outside of that. But boy, if you have to commute to work, too, this is gotta be making a massive impact on people. And- Well, you know what they're doing,

Starting point is 00:25:12 we were talking about this earlier, is rather than raise the price of products, they're just making products smaller. Yeah. So like, you'll go by toilet paper. Yeah. Oh, look, the toilet paper is the same price. It's one third left.

Starting point is 00:25:24 Half the size. They're doing that with everything. I know. And it's, you know, it's super sneaky. You're noticing it. Oh yeah, your bags of chips, your toilet paper, you're saying your toothpaste. What's air being wrapped? Well, if nobody even thinks about it,

Starting point is 00:25:34 I have, I mean, do you have an idea what your guys' regular toothpaste, how many ounces is? Because it's a weird out. It's like 4.7. It's never, it's never like an even number. It's weird. So, you know, they shave off point five. Off all these things and and then on top of that raise it to raise it a

Starting point is 00:25:49 Hey, a little bit and then shave it. Maybe a maybe the silver lining. We're talking about obesity earlier people Walk everywhere and they won't even notice it's like, wow, I'm like, yeah, I'm doing great. I'm losing weight I mean what I always do I'm just walking more. I'm changing anything. If extra toilet paper and toothpaste is making people fake. Oh man. Hey speaking of foods that wish I could eat

Starting point is 00:26:12 and I can't have dairy and all stuff. Oh so our sponsor, Magic Spoon, right? I wish I could have it. I've tasted it's delicious, but it's got way protein and I can't do dairy. I know you guys eat it all the time. They're an article in pop sugar. They just wrote an article on it.

Starting point is 00:26:23 I don't know if it's from a pop sugar. I've heard of it. Yeah, They just wrote an article on it. I don't know if it's from a pop sugar. I've heard of it. Yeah, so they wrote an article on it and it got rave reviews. But it's gluten free, grain free. It's a gluten free, grain free. It's got obviously very, very low carbohydrate, no sugar. And the protein is way encasing. It's literally a bodybuilding supplement in like kid cereal.

Starting point is 00:26:44 They barely, they barely, never when you first got what they really kid cereal. They barely, they've barely, remember when you first got, we really touched that. They are now. Market, yes. They are. Yeah, remember when Salomon, a big deal about that when we first were with him,

Starting point is 00:26:53 like how's this not in the bodybuilding community? I'm like, no, it's not. That was back when I was still around it. Yeah. And I remember watching, like waiting to, and we sent some of our friends. I actually sent some boxes to them to try that or bodybuilders, but now they've sponsored a bunch of,

Starting point is 00:27:07 yeah, they're right there, they're the article. Yeah, so remember the protein cookies and the donuts for a while were crazy within the bodybuilder. Well, like cereal is like a huge one. Well, so the sweetener blend that they use is monk fruit and aloe los. So these are very, very low sugar types of sugars

Starting point is 00:27:24 that you find certain fruits. So you get that sweetness, but like almost zero grams of sugar. She can reroute inulin, which is a prebiotic fiber. So I don't know if you guys ever look at the boxes fiber in the cereal from this. And tapioca starch, which is gluten free. So when they do add a little bit of that starch, that's what it is. But yeah, they got r reviews. That's cool. Which is kind of a match. So what was the cover of the pop sugar? Was it Justin Timberlake or, yeah, I don't know. I'm not getting it.

Starting point is 00:27:52 Come on, man. I'm not getting the joke that you're trying to pull. Pop sugar, dude, like, what kind of magazine is that? I was going to do it. Oh, yeah, dude. Those are the old ones. I just see the one that you're like, 17 or exactly. Yeah, yeah black fresh ones.

Starting point is 00:28:06 Pop sugar is actually, I think it's a fit to don't know why they're fit in this article, right? Is that Doug, where they come from? I don't know. It says fit in this particular article. How did you find that? But they may report on all types of things. Besides, you just googled them.

Starting point is 00:28:19 I got on the Google. You got on the Google and I looked at that. You are this thing. It's like beabler or somebody is on that. It's about you are the best girl. It is kind of, I think like a people magazine. Yeah, it's like everything that's cool or happening right now.

Starting point is 00:28:29 Yeah, exactly. That's why I'm like, why are you reading that? Yeah, that's all. No, I don't subscribe or anything like that. I just I looked up news on magic spoon because I know we're gonna talk about them today. And I saw this article on it. It's a good cover.

Starting point is 00:28:41 Yeah, did you read the or watch the YouTube video I sent over to you that Thomas D'Allio guy did on HMB? I got sent a bunch of people. You know, HMB. I always defer supplement stuff to you. I didn't even watch myself. Let's see, HMB. I think it's Hydroxy methyl butylbutyrate.

Starting point is 00:28:56 Maybe you can look it up, Doug. But it's a metabolite of loosing, amino acid loosing. And we know that loosing is a muscle protein synthesis signal, right? So it tells your body to build muscle. Lucine is one of the branching amino acids. And in studies, so H&B, let me see, a hydroxy methyl butyl butyl, okay, I remember. H&B is an interesting supplement.

Starting point is 00:29:16 It's actually one of the most studied ergogenic supplements out there. Probably second only to creatine. That much, huh? Lots of studies. Now here's the interesting with thing with it. People who supplement with H&B, they tend to be stronger, have more muscle

Starting point is 00:29:33 or lose less muscle when they're dieting, but in a very high protein environment, doesn't make a difference. In comparison to losing, not that big of a difference. Now, the studies are promising. I've used H&B 50 times because studies come out and I go, okay, I'm gonna give it another shot. All right, I'm gonna give it another shot.

Starting point is 00:29:49 I never can tell. I can never tell when I take it. So is it derived from a protein? What is it? It's a metabolite of losing. The amino acid losing. Which is a part of makeup of protein. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:00 And so that makes sense to me, right? So when these people tout the supplement, more likely it's where they're seeing these crazy results or claiming these crazy results are like in the context of low protein direct diets. So it'll take people supplement, some of them supplement with H&B, some of them.

Starting point is 00:30:18 Which we know the average person is under consuming on protein, is it? But take somebody who is dialed nutritionally or is consuming enough protein or over. You're not going to see. I don't think you'll see a difference. Now, where the value it reminds me of like branching amino acids, right? Exactly. Like if you are what's a branch you lose scene is the most important amino acid than branching amino acids. Right. Same thing. So you give BCAAs and that's where that gets it. Okay. Exactly. You give BCAAs to people

Starting point is 00:30:41 who are consuming, you know, low protein diet. they notice a difference too. You bump the protein though, and it doesn't make a difference. HMB tends to be one of those types of supplements. Now, here's the value I could see in it. It's easy to add. So in other words, I've seen them add HMB to some of the meal replacement shakes that they'll serve in, really called,

Starting point is 00:31:00 those homes for retirement homes, or they'll give it some hospitals or start to use H&B in their shakes for people who had surgery. And in that case, I could see value because they're not eating a lot of protein to begin with, adding the H&B can help. And so I don't say there's not no value, but like I said, I've supplemented with so many times, and I've tried high doses. Yeah, I know I've gone way over what I'm supposed to just to see what happens. And I've never noticed anything. Well, this is what makes creatine so awesome

Starting point is 00:31:29 when you talk about all of that. You could tell when you take it for sure. Well, not only that, but even if you, in the context of a high protein diet, you still will see a difference in taking creatine, where a lot of these supplements that get a lot of attention, many of the times that you see

Starting point is 00:31:44 like all this great response that they claim from it has due to somebody lacking something. For example, like, okay, I rave about mellow all the time with magnesium. Part of the reason why it's so amazing for me, I'm not stupid, I'm deficient. So me, now if you're somebody who gets enough magnesium, you take mellow, you're probably gonna feel shit

Starting point is 00:32:04 from it, they had a big deal to you So to me that's what it's like the studies that show vitamin D raises testosterone when people supplement Yeah, we're low low vitamin D right Yeah, so I think that's the thing that you when you're when because the people that are trying to get attracted to these type of Supplements or like your muscle building communities like that and if you're already the kid who is hitting 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight, you know who I used to recommend HMB and branching amino acids to my vegan clients.

Starting point is 00:32:30 So I had clients that were vegan and the legit was a better diet for them. Again, there's lots of different people and some clients just they felt better eating that way. And usually not, but these clients did. And getting high protein for them was tough. They would have to supplement a lot with plant protein, powders and stuff getting high protein for them was tough. They would have to supplement a lot with plant protein powders and stuff, and it was just kind of tough. So

Starting point is 00:32:49 I said, hey, let's supplement with branch immunowacids around your workouts and use HMB. And they all saw phenomenal results. But that's because they're protein. It's like it would be like a, let's see, one guy was, he was an anesthesiologist, one of the smartest guys ever worked with, by the way. Love the guy's name is Mike. He was a vegetarian and his protein intake was probably around, he's like a 200 pound guy tall dude. He probably ate like 70, 80 grams of protein a day. So for him, BCAAs, like made a huge difference. He noticed a tremendous difference.

Starting point is 00:33:18 Now if he was eating 150 grams of protein a day, it's not gonna make that big of a difference at all. So it depends who you are, that's where you'll see the value, you know, type of deal. Transitioning out of fitness and nutrition, did you see the article that I sent over to you guys in the group thread about the 40 year mortgage? Oh, you called it, didn't you? You did, right? I got an email from one of them.

Starting point is 00:33:40 It's about time you called something I do. I'm like, what the fuck? That's why I gotta point it out, cause you're almost you forget. You would say like, oh, that's one for Adam again. What? Hey, did you get a one, 30 time? I called it out, I called it out.

Starting point is 00:33:53 I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out. Yeah, I called it out, I called it out. Yeah, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out.

Starting point is 00:34:00 I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. I called it out, I called it out, I called it out. about like the future is like a fractional homoning as the future. There's a couple companies that blew up over the last decade. They're just trying so hard to prevent house prices from going down. And the truth is we kind of need the correction.

Starting point is 00:34:13 It's, I mean, if you care about the average person that is, if you're already the wealthy and so that you don't give a shit, right? And if you don't care about other people, right? But if you own your house for 20 years, you don't want your home value to go down. Yeah, no, but I mean, it's moving your house for 20 years, you don't want your home value to go down. Yeah. No.

Starting point is 00:34:26 But I mean, it's moving out of the reach of the majority of people. I mean, it's real soon here. I mean, God, where we live, like, you can't find a shack for under a million. No. It's depressing. Yeah. I think you know, your kids trying to like stay here. No.

Starting point is 00:34:39 Well, yeah. And now, and the loans are tougher to get now than they were 10, 15 years ago. So you have, not a lot of people can save $200,000. Saving $200,000 in an area where you, like this, the income you have to make to even save. Well, what are you going to do? You're going to buy a house with a 40-year mortgage, your 30. That means you're going to have a mortgage till you're 70. And hopefully the value keeps going up so that maybe you could do

Starting point is 00:35:03 some kind of a reverse mortgage when you retire. Yeah, but you know what? So we've we've taught Americans that you don't buy a house to pay it off. You buy it for the right off purposes, you buy it off for as an investment. That's how people buy it. So they don't even look at it as like you don't buy it. Go, oh, I'm going to be 70 when I finally put no one thinks like that. I'm going to buy this because oh, they know the course of 20, 30 years, it's going to be worth more money. And so you're thinking, I'm going to flip it and sell it there. I mean, I agree. I mean, I think at one point, the bubble does have the burst. The problem is that there's like no where to go. There's everything bubble, everything's a bubble. Mark it's a bubble. The houses are also moving in this time too. We've talked about this

Starting point is 00:35:43 before also that where ownership is becoming less, I mean, look at the companies now with cars, like renting high end cars like that and zip cars that you see around. That's the world health. Air being the economic form, right? And the most if, yeah. Air being, I mean, we're the only country still that home

Starting point is 00:36:02 ownership is as big as it is, right? Isn't everywhere else much, much, much, much lower compared to places, right? Yeah, and I'm probably, you're more world travel than I am for sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're one of the highest when it comes to like home ownership. Most places are renter nations and I think we're just going to move into that direction. That's wild. 40 year mortgage. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:24 I mean, you're signing up for a long journey. It's a long journey. Long, crazy commitment. I mean, what tricks do they have left? If they raise interest rates too much, we have so much debt that we won't be able to pay back to debt. What they're doing right now, this is why they're gonna continue,

Starting point is 00:36:39 this is why I don't think they're gonna ever permanently end their quantitative easing, AKA printing money at a thin air. They're gonna keep doing that because the only way they can continue to pay off their debt and continue to ask, tear is to inflate the currency. Yeah, so they can either tax you directly,

Starting point is 00:36:54 so this is why people don't realize this. They can either tax you directly or they can tax you indirectly by making everything more expensive by devaluing the currency, and that's what they're doing right now. Is that home ownership? Yes. So we're 65. Yeah, we'realuing the currency. And that's what they're doing right now. Is that home ownership? Yes. So we're 65.

Starting point is 00:37:06 Yeah, we're way down the list. 65%. Really? The highest home ownership is in, where was that? Romania. Well, Romania is almost 90. Romania, Laos, Hungary, Slovaksia. Let's see if there's anything here.

Starting point is 00:37:18 Well, we're the big countries. So, so China, a China almost 90% of people in China own their home. But you gotta consider though. Yeah, wait a second. We gotta consider though with China where they were 30 years ago, where they are now, that of course is gonna explode.

Starting point is 00:37:33 Cause 30 years ago, China was a very different country economically. So that makes perfect sense. Russia. Russia same thing. I did not know. A lot of these are like, I thought we were the highest.

Starting point is 00:37:43 Well, the Western world were probably one of the highest. Spain is a little higher than us it looks like. So we're like one of the lowest. I was way off on that. Interesting. I did not know that. Interesting. Glad I had you look.

Starting point is 00:37:57 Well, let's see what happens. Yeah. So maybe we're going to be the first to move into this like renter nation. We're comparison everywhere else. I don't know. Maybe it's not. Oh, I mean, is it?

Starting point is 00:38:09 Who knows? I mean, I guess. And people are happy with it. I wouldn't be. It's an opportunity, I'll tell you what, it's an opportunity, in my opinion. It's an interesting bet, right? You could buy properties now, betting that everybody's gonna

Starting point is 00:38:23 be renting in the future and buying properties will be almost impossible. So you'll be one of the first person, you'll be one of the only people that has these properties that people can rent from. Well, that's why the theory is that there's all these institutional money that's in single family. Yeah, that never happened before. Right.

Starting point is 00:38:39 That's what some of the theories, and rumor is that some of these are, like some of them were, are obvious we know about and then some of them are institutions that are pretending to be individuals. So they'll like email someone that has a real estate portfolio as if they're a family who's trying to move in this area, but they're really like a black stone, like a big institution. But the person who's supposed to go out and go find these properties are targeting houses and so that, and they're posing as if they were an individual or a single buyer.

Starting point is 00:39:15 Yeah, because I don't know how much truth there is to that, but. Well, I'm sure, because think of like, if you're the seller and you have options in that range, if you're gonna give it to a company versus a family, you're gonna be more polled to the family. So I can see them trying to mask that on some level. So that's exactly right.

Starting point is 00:39:36 That's the theory on what, because someone might go, Well, they're trying to avoid the political pressure too. That too, both, right? But it's Justin's point is the point that they make why that's being done, like why would Blackstone do something like that? What's what but it's, Justin's point is the point that they make why that's being done. Like, why would, why would Blackstone do something like that? What's, what's, what's because exactly what you said?

Starting point is 00:39:49 I'm a seller. I'm going to make my money no matter what. I'm moving no matter what. What do they, they send like a, I guess you don't meet them, right? We start your house and we meet. Like fake ol' and mills picks, you know? Yeah. It gives me my family.

Starting point is 00:40:01 It's like, it's just, it's just that simple. They send over an email and say, Hey, my family and I are interested in moving this area. We love your house. There's not, you know, we were, and because everyone's getting so many offers right now, they, they, you know, go towards that one thinking that it's an individual, but really it's not just an institution that's going in and but.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Hey, I gotta tell you guys, I got, I had this funny conversation with Jessica, almost gotten trouble, thanks to you, Justin. So she gets in the car. She gets in the car and we're driving, and then she reaches down into the side door, there's like a little space where you could store things or whatever, and she pulls out these sunglasses, and she goes, who sunglasses are these?

Starting point is 00:40:37 I'm like, oh, those must be. Yeah, I left those there, dude. I'm like, those must be Justin. She goes, these are girl sunglasses. I said, no, they're not. What? I said no, they're not I said those are Justin She's like these are not guys sunglasses. These are girls sunglasses, and so we went back and forth I'm like rocket some juicy controllers text. I'm like text Justin right now Madsons I wear black flies like I don't wear it's like a really ass

Starting point is 00:41:01 Fuck it. It's like a brown. He's dude. It's big. I got big ass face. They're like it's got like a brown. It's like a big ass face. It's got like a brown like frame. I can't wait for my profile. They're not like those big rounds. She literally thought it was a whole lady one. Like you know girls will wear those big like. That's what she thought. I know exactly what she's thinking.

Starting point is 00:41:18 Bro, we went back home. I'm like can you, I said we will text Justin right now. This not, a girl was in my car. You know how I got her. I said try putting on your head She put on like oh yeah, they're just because his head's like I do like cuz you originally we're getting our Felix Grazy had like Nash or there I put those on and they were like little I'm like face They're Nash Nash is what I wear and I wear. And I got a real narrow face,

Starting point is 00:41:45 I like to wear a small glass. It's like, it's a mess. I see them in the count to that. What are these, just like, these fucking other glasses? Hey, yeah. What are those glasses that they, you know, they just pin right here?

Starting point is 00:41:55 That was like a monochole. Yeah. That was some monochole. Yeah, dude. I like that. They look like little reading glasses for him. I like that. Felix Gray, have you seen their Faraday?

Starting point is 00:42:04 I like those. Did you, do you? I thought they were two- I can't leave you, Jim. I like they're reading glasses room. I like that feel like sprays I've you seen their fair today. I like those did you do I Can't leave you gem is I think it's too much of my face all the fairies of the dog I bought fair days originally thinking that I would like them and they came in so did you guys know that oh you guys Do this you will totally like all their glasses are named after like scientists and physicists and so fair I remember what I remember when what's his face said that, right? The owner, when we had him here on the show, I thought that was so cool that they did that. I think they should highlight that more and market it.

Starting point is 00:42:31 They don't even talk about it. I didn't even know. It's so cool. We have all these brands, the names. I never want like, like, Edison's, yeah, I'm so disappointed. I like, how did I not like, go like, are these names?

Starting point is 00:42:40 They said, put the black ones on Faraday's. They don't look like them. They do seem like groups. So that point, how they come up Yeah, see those are chiggle I think I have the little like cat kind of feature I got a mask I get out of it. I gave it a contributor right away. I was like oh shit. I can't wear these I just thought it was funny. I should wait. I'll give the sal you'll wear them. I just thought I was funny little eyeliner to wear I thought I was hilarious because it's, because she goes to put a butter head

Starting point is 00:43:05 and went in here and went in. And then she's like, oh yeah, they're in some, either it's just there's some big ass head girl came in here. Yeah, either way. You know that there's like rules, not with that rules, but there's like when you buy,

Starting point is 00:43:18 trying to find sunglasses or glasses that shape to your face, you're supposed to do the opposite of what your face is So I have a I have a fat round face right we always talk about that So like square narrow lenses will better on someone like me round glasses don't go well with a round face If you have like a round someone like Sal who is kind of like a chiseled and narrow kind of face like that and he can get away with like round Round I'm waiting for you to say beaky can get away with like round round. I'm waiting for you to say beaky. I was thinking around.

Starting point is 00:43:45 I was being like, I was thinking around. I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like,

Starting point is 00:43:53 I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like,

Starting point is 00:44:00 I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I was being like, I put them together. Just smashing. Big head like, just you were ski goggles. He wears, that's what I tried and came from.

Starting point is 00:44:10 Yeah, that's what I came from. That's what I came from. I never got into that, but you guys have a big ass head. No, you know, for me, you know, the challenges with glasses is that my head is a bit narrow, but also, they'll be too far from my face because, you know, you're right, my nose does push it out. So they'll be like, have your beak because I'm here right my nose does push out so they'll be like have your beak so you can see underneath, you know.

Starting point is 00:44:28 Uh, hey, speaking of funny stuff of the lives or whatever, did you guys see Babylon B sometimes? Oh God, they did the podcast one. They're my favorite. Did you see the podcast one they did? No, what is it? I repost.

Starting point is 00:44:40 I reposted the podcast one that somebody posted that though. Yeah, no, there was one that said something like, like, and this is, no, there was one that said something like, and this is, I sent it to Jessica, cause it's so, this is so us. It's like man mystified by the appointment that he has to make,

Starting point is 00:44:53 that is why I've told him about every day for the last 30 days. Oh my God. Yeah, and it was like, That's so accurate. The guys like confused, I don't remember today's thing. That is today.

Starting point is 00:45:00 That is Jessica and I, every time. 100% of that. I'm like, what are we doing today? It's like the thing, you know, whatever. I'm like, you know what, you know what, you know what, I've been telling you this for a long time. You know what, I'm so guilty of,

Starting point is 00:45:08 it's like getting mad, do about it. What's going on, what is it? Why would you put your counter in your mouth? I've literally reminded you every single day that you're mad at me today. Like, why is this a guy thing? What is that? I'm so guilty of that.

Starting point is 00:45:20 I'm so guilty of being like, why would you do it on this day? It's always random things like, yeah, whatever dude, it's not on my stack of priorities. But it's on their stack of priorities. So it's like, do you do this?

Starting point is 00:45:33 This is what I do. I'll show up. Just plan it. It's whatever, yeah. Yeah, no, it doesn't. I'll be there. Doesn't always work, but I saw it. I'm like, oh, this doesn't just happen to me apparently.

Starting point is 00:45:41 I mean, to me about it because it's very, it's so accurate. Very common. Anyway, and I think for you, Justin it's very, it's so accurate. Very common. Anyway, and I think for you Justin, okay, so you, I've shown you guys just before the cheese rolling race they do, I don't know where they do it. Yeah, they roll down the hill.

Starting point is 00:45:52 I think it's in a challenge. They chase after it, right? So you can watch videos, they chase after it, and it is not like a normal hill, it's a cliff. No, the challenge is that they can like, literally run down this vertical cliff. And people break their horns. Yeah, and they just tumble with it in their body, just like flops all the way down. And yeah, there's all kinds of injuries. And the award is the

Starting point is 00:46:14 bro, as the cheese. There is no money. You win the cheese that went down the hill. I get it. You know, is that all they get? I thought they get it like a prize or like a trophy. That's it. It's the cheese. Bracken writes. It's a big wheel of cheese. My kind of, anyway, there's this American girl one it and she's getting like famous because of it.

Starting point is 00:46:33 Really? Maybe Doug could look her up. Yeah. I don't know. It says in the, in the title says American, a woman from North Carolina. She won the annual cheese rolling contest in the United Kingdom. And I don't

Starting point is 00:46:46 know, apparently she's attractive. I don't know. Her name is Abby Lampe. Maybe you could look her up dog ABBY and then L.A.M. She is fearless because that hill is like that grade is like this. Yeah. Well, I'm wondering like I'm trying to look her up to see how how like attractive she really is. I'm wondering if she's attractive or in that setting. Yes, like think about all the people that chase after cheese that hill. You know what I'm picturing on there, you know.

Starting point is 00:47:13 It's not people I would put on the sports. I could definitely, she's cute. I could definitely, oh, that, that she's cute. But I mean, again, I wonder what her competitor would say. That's the hill right there, huh? Yeah, it doesn't look that crazy right there, but when you tell a camera, you can tell by the way, people are hiking up,

Starting point is 00:47:29 they're all like an angle just to hike up. It's crazy. Oh, you watch them. You can't, you cannot, it's impossible to run down without falling. I've never seen fall. Everybody rolls and falls. It's that steep for sure.

Starting point is 00:47:39 There's no way, like you gotta be some kind of weird like cat ninjas. Is that on your bucket list, Justin? I mean, if somebody were to to say hey man, we're gonna fly you out like I make consider careful We have oh wow You almost you almost put it out there. Yeah, careful, but I should know by now We got we got people everywhere. You know the states are right up. I was like I just happened to put those events on just it We'll get you out here. Hey, I don't know like it's I think you're up my alley I think it would be great for my pump if you...

Starting point is 00:48:06 Oh, definitely hurt myself though, which would not be good. No, I don't know. Did you guys... Pretty tough. Did either one of you guys read that article that's going around right now on the cancer treatment? I did. Immunotherapy.

Starting point is 00:48:16 Really interesting. It was only, I think, 18 people, but every single person went into remission. So basically with the treatment... 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Now, here's the thing with cancer is that you often will see these really exciting, promising thing,

Starting point is 00:48:28 and then it doesn't really work itself out. But this is exciting because it's this new technology. And what they did basically is through this technology, they teach your immune system to be more aggressive against cancer, and that's exactly what happened. And people went into everybody, 100% cure rate essentially. That's so awesome. I mean, with the sea little glimpses of hope like that.

Starting point is 00:48:49 Now there's a high rate of like, allergic reactions, stuff like that for me, because obviously heightens your immune system. So my fear would be, do you cure cancer, but then create autoimmune issues? Yeah, yeah, but overreactive. Yeah, but come on, would you rather have an autoimmune issue or die of cancer?

Starting point is 00:49:04 Well, of course. I mean, look at our current treatments with cancer's chemo. It's like this, this will kill your cancer and, you know, maybe you, what type of cancer was it? Was it all different types or? I believe so, I can look it up. I don't think it, I think they were all. And did it say like what stage they were in?

Starting point is 00:49:20 Mm. Obviously, the doubt they were like stage four and then went into remission right? No, no. Early early onset. No, I don't know. Obviously, the doubt they were like stage four and then went into remission, right? No, early onset. No, I don't know. Oh, 12 patients, sorry. 12 patients who received this experimental treatment. It's really interesting.

Starting point is 00:49:34 Yeah. It's six months of immunotherapy treatment and they all went into remission. I think we're gonna find in our lifetime. I think we will. Wow. You really do. You know what the challenges? There's a lot of course people out there. We're not gonna ever cure cancer because we make so much money treating it Baloney if a pharmaceutical company Discovered the cure for cancer. They would become the richest pharmaceutical company of all time bottom line

Starting point is 00:50:00 So that's baloney. Yeah, What it is is an extremely complex disease. Two different cancers can be two completely different things. It's your own cell. So how do I kill yourselves without killing you? It's very, very challenging. And then here's the other thing. One of the downsides of having a regulatory system like the FDA or in other countries

Starting point is 00:50:22 you have other regulatory systems. Obviously they put in place to protect us, but the problem is the cost that it takes to introduce a drug, make it through trials, and then hit the market is so expensive that if you're a pharmaceutical company and you have options of an experimental treatment that could potentially cure cancer

Starting point is 00:50:40 or a new type of chemo, and we know chemo can kind of work, we're gonna invest in the thing that we think we'll get a return, and we're not gonna do these experimental new type of chemo, and we know chemo can kind of work, we're gonna invest in the thing that we think will get a return, and we're not gonna do these experimental new types of treatments. So that's what ends up happening is you don't get, so you get a lot of opiate pain killers, you get a lot of chemo type therapies for cancer, and nothing really groundbreaking because the cost is just so high.

Starting point is 00:51:00 It's too great, it's just too great. So, but like I said, I think from what I've been reading, but this new immunotherapy type treatment isn't the only drug. There's lots of drugs now going down this path. I think we'll solve it in our lifetime, hopefully. Yeah, so that would be awesome. Hey, you got to check out Organify. They're one of our longest running sponsors.

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Starting point is 00:51:38 Head over to, excuse me, head over to organify.com-fordslash-mind-pump. Use the code MindP mind pump for discount. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Brittany from British Columbia. Brittany, how can we help you? Hi there guys, thanks for having me on. I've been listening for a number of years, so about four or five years now. So pretty exciting for me to be here and ask some questions.

Starting point is 00:52:08 So, thanks for that. I'm turning 40 next week. So, my question sort of comes with some very strange for me. I'm a probation officer, so I work in an office all day. I don't really get out too much. I've been working out for about 12 years in the morning mostly, in my hour or whatever, and for about six years or so I've been lifting weight. But at Work last week we had to move some furniture around. And there was a fine and cabinet to move and things like that. And I was unable to move these on my own.

Starting point is 00:52:48 When my co-worker next to me who doesn't work out, doesn't look late, and maybe runs a lot here and there, and I'm chasing around her children, moves this thing with some struggle, of course, that managed to do it. And so my question is sort of around the area of how can I get more of this practical strength where I can lift furniture or, you know, pull myself over if I need to do. Yeah, that's a really great question. So a couple of things I want to address

Starting point is 00:53:19 here with that. One is be very careful comparing yourself to other people because there's such a wide degree of, you know, genetic strength. And I mean, I've had, I've been working out since I was 14 and I can't tell you how many times I've had employees or new members come to the gym and just outlift me almost right out the gate. So, so there's that. There's also, you know, you might have days you're less strong than other days, so really the only fair thing to compare yourself to is to yourself. Now the second part of the question is how do I increase my practical strength? Getting stronger generally in the gym will have some carryover to real life, but really it's the exercises that are compound, gross motor movement that are going to give you

Starting point is 00:54:03 the most carryover. So dead lifts and squats and overhead presses. And then doing exercises that are not so conventional, like farmer walks or rounded back carries, like carrying a sandbag, that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's torture squats. There's a lot of carryover to those exercises to, you know, what you're talking about. A good program for that, by the way, map strong is one of the best programs you have for applicable strength, and the math performance would be the other ones.

Starting point is 00:54:31 So those are the two programs that I would say, if you're looking for that kind of carry-over real-world strength, those are the ones I would go for. Yeah, what did your workouts consist of for the most part? Like, has this just been all machines or been all machines or hypertrophy-based? Actually, I'm totally in my house. I've been working at home for years because I don't like to go to the gym at five o'clock in the morning. I prefer to just not have to do my hair or anything before I go there. And so I've been for the past two to three years now.

Starting point is 00:55:03 I've been doing the past two to three years now. I've been doing their other programs actually. So I'm doing anabolic right now in the second time running through that. I've done performance and S.X as well. Are you sure you've done performance already? Yeah. Okay great because if I listening to your question I would run performance and then strong. I mean based off of what you're trying to get out of it, I think those two programs are some of the best programs for that. I think the performance is going to address the multi-planar movements and I think anti-rotational stuff that you're going to get from that. And then for strong, you're going to get some of the things that Sal was talking about rounded back lives, search your squad, stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:55:41 Yeah, are you stronger in your workouts? Do you feel stronger in your workouts than you did, let's say two, three years ago, generally? I think I do. But I don't really feel like my weight hasn't really gone like my weight. I haven't really gone out that much. Okay, but you've been working out for so long that that's understandable.

Starting point is 00:56:00 You know, you can't have those kind of beginner gains forever. But at the very least, you don't feel weaker in your workouts, like significantly. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let me tell you a story, okay, Brittany. I've told this before in the podcast, but I remember this is like the first time I learned just how specific strength is, or at least the first time I, it was revealed to me.

Starting point is 00:56:19 I was, I don't know, I think it was 16 or 17 years old, and my grandfather from Sicily was visiting our family. So my grandfather at the time was in his, either his late 60s or 70s, and he's been working manual labor, I mean his whole life, poor Sicilian, right? And he came and my dad at the time owned a construction company. And so it was the summer,

Starting point is 00:56:41 and I would go with my dad to help him, and my grandfather was no way And hell was he gonna stay at home while we all went so he went to go help us, okay? And we were mixing cement and I'll never forget my I don't know 70 year old grandfather just smoking me now Consider I had been working out by this point for like three years in the gym I'm a teenager full of energy and my 70 something year old grandfather Literally was crushing me with carrying buckets of sand and mixing cement.

Starting point is 00:57:09 And I couldn't believe it. I told my dad, and I was like, this is crazy. And he goes, well, this is the stuff your grandfather's been doing forever. So he's good at it. He's got technique. He understands how to move these things. So there's a lot of skill that's involved with strength as well. So if somebody, for example, moves furniture a lot, they're going to be better at moving furniture than someone who lifts

Starting point is 00:57:27 weights it a lot, a lot typically. So that's another thing to consider. But ultimately, you can't compare yourself to other people. You have to, it's not fair. You have to just compare yourself to yourself. And if you're strong still in your workouts, you're not seeing a decline in strength, especially as you enter into your 40s. I mean, you're doing pretty good. So now do you have maps strong? You said you had performance. Do you have maps strong? I don't.

Starting point is 00:57:49 We'll send that to you, Brittany. So you'll have access to that and you'll be able to do something different. It's a great program, different from the other ones. And it's a great strength building program, especially for like kind of odd functional lifts. Great. Awesome.

Starting point is 00:58:04 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's a that's a fun one Okay, how many times have you guys felt that or you're like I'm the gym guy and then you go do something with someone Yeah, you get on hold immediately She she did say something that I want to address because actually last night Katrina and I were just having a conversation about her training routine right now And she's getting we're getting ready to go to Mexico in a few weeks and she's asking me like, let's ramp it up, like what should I start doing? And even after all these years we've been together,

Starting point is 00:58:33 her listening to every single mind pump episode, she still has the, should I start cutting my calories and start picking up the movement in cardio yet? And I asked, and she's been consistently going since January, like consistently four times to five times a week, she's been lifting and she's following our programs. And you guys need healthy.

Starting point is 00:58:51 Yeah, right. So that's all she's on. And she's in pretty good shape. She's just wanting the next level, right? And I said, well, before you sort of cut calories, when was the last time that you really ramped up your intensity and your lifting? She goes, well, what do you mean?

Starting point is 00:59:04 And I said, well, I've watched you lift and you're training, but I see you lifting weights. Not pushing yourself. That's right. I see you lifting weights that are lighter than I've seen you lift before, which is good because we're coming off of you not really being consistent not that long ago.

Starting point is 00:59:19 And so I think I advised you that way. Just get back in the motion, start lifting again. But before I would start cutting calories, why don't you just really start to push the weight? And she's like, you know, you're right, I've been just kind of, I mean, I'm training and I get a nice little pump and like a little bit of a sweat, but I'm not my training intensity,

Starting point is 00:59:38 has it really increased this whole time that I've been training January. So she said something that, you know, I didn't get a chance to ask her to go a little bit deeper, but sometimes this happens, and it happens. It's more common with my female client. It's more common seeing it with my wife is, you know, you can get in this routine of like following a program like ours and just moving the same weights. Well, especially when you're working out at home. That's right. And this is, I had the same conversation, Well, especially when you're working out at home. That's right.

Starting point is 01:00:03 And this is, I had the same conversation, you know, with Courtney's wall. It was just one of those things where when you get into the groove and you're like, man, I'm so consistent, but you start like gravitating towards that same weight. So you see what's the, you know, itemize for your workout for the day and then you just grab the weights you always grab. That's right. And it just becomes sort of like this routine. Instead of really pushing yourself outside of that progressively overloading, which then

Starting point is 01:00:27 pushes for that change in your physique, that change in your strength. So yeah, sometimes you really do need that nudge to step forward. That was the exact, the exact advice I said to Katrina was before we cut calories. So what I want you to do, because I haven't seen you do this, track your protein. I know you've been eating good, but have you made sure consistently you're hitting your protein and take every single day and I want you to push the weight. Give me that for the next two weeks and then I'll adjust. And watch what happens and then I'll just from there. And the truth is, more often than not, when you've been working out for years and years,

Starting point is 01:00:56 it's good to train in a consistent way. That's right. Don't be yourself up. But interjecting these two, three, four week periods of higher intensity and push it I mean, that's how you get your body to get you. Well, especially when you were leveling off. Yes, you need that. Especially when you're wanting to see progress. Yeah. She came to me and said, am I doing a good job, huh?

Starting point is 01:01:14 And I said, yeah, you're doing great. We're eating healthy. We're making good choice. We still have some flexibility. We had pizza the other night. Like, when you're training four or five days a week, you're moving good way. But if you want it, if you tell me, hey, I got Mexico in three weeks and I want to make moves. I want to see change. I want to bring a great bikini body. I want to take the next level. Well, okay, well, and before I go, hey, cut

Starting point is 01:01:33 your calories, hey, pick up cardio or something like that, because I know you care about the muscle that we've built. Let's push the intensity and lifting. Let's try and get a little stronger right now. Make sure you hit your protein intake. Let's, let's put some weight on the bar a little bit, or slow down tempo. There's other ways to progressively overload to Justin's point. So that's what we should do first

Starting point is 01:01:51 before we just go straight to cutting. But again, at the end of the day, it really isn't fair to compare yourself against someone else because there's such a wide degree of... Everybody needs to hear that. I mean, I've seen it so many times myself, and it's not fair for me to look at someone else.

Starting point is 01:02:06 Why is that person lifting so much to me? I've been working on it for so many years. It is, but it's a path to, like, you just can end up hating things, right? Our next caller is Cameron from Washington. Cameron, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going, dudes? Thank you for taking my call. You got it. Yep.

Starting point is 01:02:23 So, my question is every 22-year-old magic question. How do I build muscle for summer to look awesome and to look better than my friend who I'm in a competition win? Yeah. To look to look buffer. So yeah, and the email question I had, and the email question I had, it's essentially three months to put on as much lean mass as possible. And my, essentially, what I want to know is, what do I need to know nutritionally and programming. So right now, I'm in MAPSAN Obolic, just got Donald Phase 1. Today is actually the beginning of Phase 2. I'm also running the Nobius Six-Pack formula alongside it. So by the time I'm done with Santa Bolic, I'll have six more weeks to follow up with another program. So what would you guys suggest? We're going to sabotage

Starting point is 01:03:21 your friend. I was just going to say there's two ways to do this. Yeah, we can play dirty. You can look better or you can make him look worse. Either way, are you looking just for mass or do you want lean muscle? Ah, lean muscle. Preferably lean muscle. Don't want to get super ballooning, you know. Getting shredded is gonna make you look that way. That's what I mean.

Starting point is 01:03:44 Always. Yeah, so to me the focus I would be on right now, because it's a small amount of time. I mean, maybe for a month, I put you on like a short bulk and then the following two months we cut. So, but where's your body fat percentage? Any idea right now? So we both does it our body fat percentages using the US Navy method, which is just waste

Starting point is 01:04:04 and next are conference and it puts us both a like 20-ish percent body fat, which not the most accurate in the world, I know. Okay, so you have a 20% for a guy, you basically, you don't have any abs, you got kind of a little bit of a belly, is that accurate? Because that body fat test sounds kind of interesting. Yeah, I got a little bit of flap in the stomach area, but like my back and arms are lean. Well, Adam's on point then. If you got lean in the three month period, the most dramatic change in how you appear is going to be getting lean. So I would do, Maps and a Box perfect, do the three foundational workouts, make sure you

Starting point is 01:04:37 do the trigger sessions on the off days, hit one gram of protein per pound of body weight, and I would keep your calories just below maintenance. So whatever your maintenance calories are, I'd bring it down maybe two, 300 below that for the next three months. Hopefully the idea is you build some muscle and burn some body fat. I mean, three months is a long time.

Starting point is 01:04:59 I would actually probably, so you said you have six, after you finish in a bulk, we'll have six weeks, right? Yes, sir. So I mean I may I may finish in a bulk in like a maintenance and then or even a little bit of a surplus Sometimes and then actually do the cut for the last six weeks when you switch programs So I'm more of aggressive cut for yeah, yeah, I mean you're gonna switch programs and then go to go to a cut and then run that for six weeks because he's 185. I don't think he's the body fat person. I mean, if he was really overweight, then I would say run him through a cut for that

Starting point is 01:05:34 long. But I think you could probably run anabolic, keep your calories at a healthy place, not trying to cut yet. And then when you switch to the next program, which either performance or aesthetic would be fine, post that program, that's when I would transition into your cut and then I would run your cut for six weeks. Are you doing any cardio right now?

Starting point is 01:05:57 No, sir, I work construction. So I get more than enough steps in a day, cardio-wise. Oh good, well then what I would do is just the final two weeks is I would start to get some cardio in there. Wait a minute. Hold on a second. Do you know how many calories you're eating every day? Are you tracking? Yes. I'm doing that unfortunate thing where you're good tracking five days out of the week and then the weekends. There's your pill a little off. Yeah. That's what I figured. Yeah, so okay, so if you're in a 500 calorie deficit Monday through Friday, and then you do what a lot of people do on the weekend,

Starting point is 01:06:30 and you go, I just ate a little more or whatever, you'll erase it easily, very easily. In fact, some people actually go and end up in a surplus because of Saturday and Sunday. So you need to track every single day. And that right there alone, just the weekends, is gonna tighten everything. And honestly, that may be just you following maps to a T, committing to yourself, I'm gonna track on the weekends and stay consistent on the weekends too. And then transitioning to another program after that,

Starting point is 01:06:58 following that all the way, you should lean out. That, I mean, that's it, right there. You should. And I'm assuming if you don't track on those two days, are you still allowing yourself like a drinking night or pizza and beer? I mean, is that happening right now? You're 22. I wouldn't be surprised if you are. You, you, you, you got it. Okay, bro. If you, if you want to win this competition, you will look better. Your buddy, you, you, you just, you got to be the one who's willing to sacrifice that share right now. Yeah. I mean, it's that I mean that right there in itself.

Starting point is 01:07:25 If you just literally I mean we don't even gotta get crazy here. We don't gotta get all technical and now that's it right there. Yeah, just just tighten up the weekends and be the one who's willing to sacrifice that for the next couple months and that in itself you will lean out and build muscle. Hit feed yourself, hit your protein intake, stay on top of your diet on the weekend, cut out all the garbage that you know you don't need to be doing already, and you will. You'll lean out, bro. Are you, are you, is there money on the line? Did you guys bet something? Just a pride. Okay, well that's, that's worth more money. Yeah, that's a lot right there.

Starting point is 01:07:56 Make them wear a chicken suit or something. Yeah, that's a big deal. No, hey, listen, at camera, I'm telling you right now, I've worked with so many people, right? The weekend, people think, ah, five days during the week, I'm perfect, Saturday and Sunday, I'm kind of off, not that big deal. When I have them tracked, they end up in a surplus then in the week. That's how big of a difference.

Starting point is 01:08:14 It's for me real quick. Yeah, don't try to like eyeball it. You'd be surprised just how, just tracking the weekend, I bet you that alone is gonna make all the difference in the world. Have you heard me talk about, and I don't know if you do this too. Do you also if you take a day off a lifting is it also on the weekend too? No, I always

Starting point is 01:08:32 lift I have more time to lift on the weekends away. So okay good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, just tighten the diet up on the weekend, bro. Okay, track it. Just be more consistent. He will you'll beat him just from that. Yeah, just following the programming and then running right into another program afterwards and stay. Good. I have a question pertaining to the next program. Would you guys suggest I know, typically you go performance after anabolic, just that of different stimulus.

Starting point is 01:08:56 Do you think? Because aesthetic is it means in the name, it's more aesthetic focus, but performance because it's such a different stimulus than anabolic. Would that still just like keep the muscle in like as alongside doing the cardio like you said? Yeah, considering the work that you do, I think you'll get better results performance. I think going from anabolic to aesthetic with construction, you might actually be doing too much volume, to be honest with you. So go with performance. I think you'll get better results Yes, sir, you got it man. Thanks for calling in

Starting point is 01:09:28 Of course, you look real quick. I just want to say real quick If you don't mind the obligatory you guys are awesome type of thing Yeah, I really appreciate everything you guys do out there Sal Sal you talk about how you're thankful for the power lifters you met when you were a little kid. I feel the same way when I was introduced to you guys, to your guys' podcast, I have been very thankful for everything you guys do.

Starting point is 01:09:55 Appreciate it, Cameron. If you don't have performance, I've got to say this, by the way, if you don't have performance, we're gonna send that to you, okay? Oh, I got it. I got it. Appreciate it. Yeah, all right, brother, thank you.

Starting point is 01:10:04 Thank you so much. You got it. Yeah, people don't really, I got it. I got it. Appreciate it. All right, brother, thank you. Thank you so much. You got it. Yeah, people don't really, I would literally have clients do this all the time. And then we would, I mean, think about 500 calorie deficit, which is a, that's a standard deficit for body fat loss, right? Five days a week, you end up with 2500 calorie deficit. Saturday and Sunday, people like, I go off a little bit and I don't have them track. And we would end up with like 1000 extra.

Starting point is 01:10:25 At the end of the week, yeah. You know, it's so, it adds up an estimating it's impossible. This was me. This was me all through my 20s as a trainer. And I remember as a trainer. As a trainer. I, yeah, and I actually remember, this is how naive I was as a trainer even.

Starting point is 01:10:39 I actually believed at that point in my career that the only thing that separated me, this is actually what drove me to antibiotics. I believe that the only thing that separated me, this is actually what drove me to Annabalox. I believed that the only thing that separated for me from the guys that were shredded on the magazines were they were running Annabalox and I wasn't. I was, my training and diet was so dialed Monday through Friday.

Starting point is 01:10:57 And in my head, I really didn't fuck off that much on the weekends, that it couldn't be that. It had to be these guys are on Annabalox and that was what drove me to first messing with Annabalox. And I learned the hard way that it couldn't be that. It had to be these guys are on antibiotics, and that was what drove me to first messing with antibiotics, and I learned the hard way that it wasn't that because I didn't get great results just by taking an antibiotic. It wasn't until the body bug, and I had to wear that, and I started actually tracking my food.

Starting point is 01:11:17 So I opened it, right? And it blew my mind. Now, he says he works out on Saturdays and Sundays. What I found out about myself was, if I worked as a trainer, so many times I was up at 4.35 o'clock in the morning during the week. Saturday and Sunday, I slept until 9 or 10 in the morning. And then that's also the day that I would kind of,

Starting point is 01:11:35 I'll get around, I finally ate it like 10 or 11. Watch football, watch football, watch basketball, maybe I'll have some pizza. Like it. Yeah, and in my head, I was, I was not, and I didn't think I was going that over, but what I didn't realize was Monday through Friday, I was burning like 5,000 calories,

Starting point is 01:11:51 because how much I was moving on Saturday and Sunday, it was burning like 2,000. And eating more. And eating more. So it was like way flipped and just simply make, and that was what, and I've given this advice on the podcast before. All of a sudden, I said, okay,

Starting point is 01:12:05 because I already automatically have good Monday through Friday and I've dialed that in for so long, I'm now just gonna focus on Saturday and Sunday. Saturday and Sunday are now, I made a goal for myself that these are gonna be my perfect days now. And I didn't say to myself, I can never have pizza again, I can't have a beer with my friends again,

Starting point is 01:12:21 I didn't say that, I said, I'm just gonna make Saturday and Sunday my most perfect days. I'm gonna get up, I'm gonna exercise in those days and I'm not gonna take the days off. I'm gonna make those the most dialed days nutritionally. And then if I want those other things during the week, I'll have it, but you know what happened, right? You don't end up doing those things, right?

Starting point is 01:12:36 They cleaned up everything. Yeah, plus construction, I mean, just as in my experience, they just tend to have, I mean, like what I call, door, cardash, burritos, and you know, they they call door, a Kardashian burritos and you know, we take them, the front of burrito, you put out the Kardashian, by lunchtime. Yeah, bro. Yeah, it's cooked and everything.

Starting point is 01:12:51 I mean, just someone the worst diets that I've ever worked with where people in, or you get the roach coach, you know, it comes by, you know, or the nasty food. Yeah, and they get away with it to some extent, right? But just not the best diets. No.

Starting point is 01:13:03 Our next caller is Vincent from Utah. What's up, Vincent? How can we help you? Hey, what's happening, bitch? Hey, how's it going, guys? So yeah, so I've been listening to Mind Pump for probably over a year. I got to say Mind Pump is single, handily helped me realize my passion for personal training. If it wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't be doing this. I wouldn't be

Starting point is 01:13:25 training right now. So thanks so much. Even though I started working a few weeks ago at a big box gym, all the content you guys have put out has made me feel like I have years of experience. So thank you so much. So trying to start working with the client who has that gastric bypass surgery and has lost a lot of weight but They want to still lose another 30 to 40 pounds She says that she's way more active now than before the surgery. She's like walking every day and She's been doing some light weight training

Starting point is 01:14:01 but she says she wants to do in the heavier weight training, but she says she wants to do good in the heavier weight training and she wants to lose the extra weight. So for a fat loss client, I would based on what you guys have taught. I would probably boost the metabolism slowly, increase calories, but she can only eat a thousand calories a day. So I'm just kind of wondering, how would we approach this in a more sustainable way? Is it even possible to boost the metabolism in this kind of a situation?

Starting point is 01:14:27 Yeah, it's possible, but it's harder. We all have a lot of experience with this because we all managed to gym. Yeah, across the street from a facility that would do this. So I'd get clients, and Adam and Justin too would get clients that had this procedure. It's more challenging. So she's going to have more challenge absorbing challenging. So she's gonna have more challenge absorbing nutrients, so she's probably already supplementing quite a bit. And obviously the procedure is effective and the reason why it's effective at weight losses, it makes it hard to eat.

Starting point is 01:14:54 So my best advice for you is to take it slow. Focus on getting or stronger for now. Sometimes what that does is that increases the appetite enough to where the person can kinda of eat a little more. And really she's going to have to focus on eating throughout the day, very small meals throughout the day. So increasing calories might be less of eating bigger meals and more of adding more liquid calories sometimes, like protein shakes, meal replacement shakes, or just adding snacks. You know, I hate to do this for man. I don't recommend this to most people, but in this situation it's

Starting point is 01:15:27 a bit unique. Adding small, you know, additional calories in between the meals that she's currently doing. Well, especially protein focus, because one of the things that I would notice with these clients is after they do the surgery, they now they can only eat a thousand, but a lot of times they still have the bad eating habits. Yeah. Right. So they still... Same food just less. Yeah, just way less. Right. So they're still not making good nutrient-dense choices, and they're not targeting protein like the same... So the same advice I'm giving to this client,

Starting point is 01:15:57 as I'm giving to my average client who I'm trying to boost from metabolism and get them to focus on eating protein and stuff, because they still gravitate towards the same type of foods, they just only eat a thousand calories worth and they lose weight so then it gets justified in their head that it's okay from the eat that way. So a lot of the conversations I'd be having around is like, what are our a thousand calories? You know, where are we getting our thousand calories

Starting point is 01:16:21 and then trying to push their, her in that direction of, or it's a hurt, right? Do you see that? I don't know if you made that clear. Yeah, so I would put her, push her in the direction of making sure that their protein focused meals. And we may have to do what Sal is saying, which is the shakes and bar route because they're lower calories and they're easier for them to consume.

Starting point is 01:16:37 Yeah, that was the first thing I would do is I had, when I would work with people like this is I would have them just add, we would start with adding a 30 gram protein shake, you know, way protein usually, if they can tolerate dairy well, it's thin, it's easy to digest. You can mix it in minimal water even, so it's like not a lot of volume. And I would have them either sip on that for over the course of an hour, because sometimes even that is too much, especially right after the procedure, or just drink it after the workout. And then we would start with that.

Starting point is 01:17:08 Like let's just add 30 grams of protein and way protein and keep eating what you're eating. Adam, what Adam said though is ultimately, what you want to focus on. I mean, I literally, I would see, I would have these clients, they would eat less, but I would see what they're eating. And it was like,

Starting point is 01:17:22 it's a process card. Yeah, like a breakfast sandwich from McDonald's or baggage. It was like the same stuff, exactly. Yeah, or even candy and stuff. It was just, they just, they're stomach had shrunk so much so they just couldn't,

Starting point is 01:17:33 they couldn't physically eat or binge it. And so they would lose weight. And because they were losing weight, they would go, oh, I'm okay, I'm eating them all right. And I'm taking all the supplements the doctors give me. It's like a whole pass. Yeah. And then I'd go in and I'd look at him, like, Jesus, we're only having like the supplements the doctors give me. It's like a whole pass. Yeah, and then I go in and I look at him,

Starting point is 01:17:45 like, Jesus, we're only having like 10 grams of protein a day. Like, we've got to get more protein than this in your diet. So, yeah, I think Sal is a place of starting with the way shake with water is such a good place. And if they can't take way, then doing like an organify type of shake, right? Yeah, that's the plant protein.

Starting point is 01:18:00 It's an organifies the best one for that, too. Yeah, so go that route. And yeah, you're not going to be able to, you're not going to take this client for a thousand calories to three thousand calories, right? And, and, but you can slowly increase that and more importantly, make better choices. And then continuing to follow one of the programs

Starting point is 01:18:16 and sending that signal to build muscle. Yeah, but really focus on getting or stronger, you know, with the basic movements. That's where she's going to see the most, the best results. Right, strength. So if we have time, I have one last question You know, with the basic movements, that's where she's going to see the most the best results. Right. Strength. So if we have time, I have one last question for another client with another medical condition. Okay.

Starting point is 01:18:32 All right. So I just acquired a new client who has PCOS. Are you guys familiar with that? Yes. So obviously she is actually very strong. She's actually power lifted in the past, but her issue obviously affects her hormones. And because we know that they regulate pretty much everything in the body, fat loss, muscle gain, what would be the best approach for someone with PCOS

Starting point is 01:18:52 if their goal is fat loss? All right, this is general. OK, I'm going to give you, because it could be very different from person to person. Also, we're not doctors. I do have some experience working with polycystical variance syndrome. And a lot of it, oftentimes I respond very well

Starting point is 01:19:06 from eliminating or reducing dramatically the sugar intake and or carbohydrate. I wanna go keto, but oftentimes reducing or eliminating sugar and bringing carbohydrates down seems to work better. This isn't true for everybody though. So what I'm gonna recommend is that you find them a good functional medicine practitioner.

Starting point is 01:19:26 One of my Dr. Becky Campbell's really good. She's got a great podcast called Health Babes. You can refer this client to that podcast, really good. We also have a wellness or holistic forum now that's free. And what's the name of it on Facebook, Doug? I'd always forget. M.P. Holistic Health. M.P. Holistic Health.

Starting point is 01:19:43 Have them, it's free, so anybody can go on and we're keeping it free for now. Have them go on there every week, or I believe every week, or is it twice a month? Twice a month, the doctor goes on there, does live questions that they're answering the audience and then every day the staff is on there actually answering people that are messaging inside there.

Starting point is 01:20:01 So it's absolutely reasonable. Yes, so that's where I actually haven't had a client with this. So I would have deferred out. I would have deferred out to probably Steven Cobraul and the forum that we have, which this is part of the reason why we've partnered up with him is to help clients like you guys, because this is even above my paper.

Starting point is 01:20:17 Yeah, but again, I do have some experience and usually it was like cutting sugar, reducing some carbohydrates from a dietary standpoint, and we would see some pretty good results. But this is a situation where you want some individual attention. And as a trainer, Vince, I'm gonna tell you this, and I've said this to many trainers, one of the most valuable things you can do

Starting point is 01:20:38 is have a trusted network of practitioners that are experts in areas that you're not, that you can send people to. What you don't want to try and do is be the guy who has all the answers because you're not, that you can send people to. What you don't want to try and do is be the guy who has all the answers because you're not going to have all the answers. So, my advice to you is find a good functional medicine practitioner, you develop a relationship to that you can refer to, have a good correctional exercise specialist, have a good hormone specialist. That way, when you run into these situations, you could say, oh, I got the right person for you and I work with. And then we'll work together to help solve this for you.

Starting point is 01:21:06 It just makes you so valuable. You got all that with us. That's part of why we built that. It's for our, to support our trainers and our community. So make sure you, if you're not in also the hormone one, you should be. So those are two free forums. And as a trainer, it's just a wealth of knowledge for absolutely free for you. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:22 I'm actually in the, the private forum too. Oh, perfect. There you go. Yeah. Awesome. I actually actually in the private form too. Oh, perfect, there you go. Yeah, awesome. I actually have a lot of your programs. Cool. Prying and all like performance aesthetics, lit kettlebells for aesthetics. So yeah, I feel like I'm, like I said,

Starting point is 01:21:36 I'm only three weeks in, but I feel like I'm set for the next decade or two. All right, man, well good. Awesome, that's a good, you're gonna keep doing it. Yep, appreciate your call. Thank you so much. You got it. It was funny, is that I hear so many,

Starting point is 01:21:48 I've had so many people message me and say that they became trainers because of us. And we usually tell people it's the hardest, not a place to make a lot of money. I don't know. It's super hard. It's passionate. Yeah, that's great though.

Starting point is 01:22:00 I mean, it just shows that there's a lot of people out there that are passionate about helping others. That's what it is. Regardless. And I think that here are our passion. I think we make it clear that there's not a lot of people out there that are passionate about helping others regardless. That's what it is. I think they hear our package. I think we make it clear that it's not on. We can make it living, right? But I mean, this is just another example of highlighting the resources that we have out there for everybody.

Starting point is 01:22:15 I mean, that's what we're trying to do because we're not functional medicine practitioners. And we can, I can give you, you know, what I've seen in some of my clients, but I'm not Dr. Stephen Cobrall. I'm not Dr. Becky Campbell, I'm not- Oh yeah, and all the tests you can refer them to, and just get that kind of like real like, man, we're not gonna try, not subjective, but objective. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Starting point is 01:22:36 And because it can be different from, I mean, usually, you know, it's like, oh, a testosterone is too high in this woman and sugar affects them a particular way, but it's not always that way. So. Our next caller is Gabriel from Kentucky. Gabriel, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, how you guys doing?

Starting point is 01:22:51 Good. Great. That's good. So I wanted to know how I could optimize my total testosterone. I'm 19 years old and I recently got some lab tests and my total came out to 323 nm per desolate and my percentage of free test, Ostrone was 2.8. And about a week ago, I retook the test and I retook the lab and my test austro went up 26 points and my free test austro has almost doubled in a way.

Starting point is 01:23:33 It's 2.34. Okay. All right. So you're you're 19 years old. So I'm going to cover the common offenders for for people your age with who have who are experiencing lower testosterone, okay? So, number one. Way too much masturbation. That increases to the time you're... No, no, no, no, that's...

Starting point is 01:23:52 You're busted. You're busted. Let's not go there yet. Let's not go there yet. So, a few different things. Number one, good, consistent sleep every night. Not just most nights, but consistent every night. Nothing will crash to testosterone like poor sleep.

Starting point is 01:24:10 So you wanna aim for eight hours, but not just eight hours in bed, quality sleep. So an hour or two before, turn off your electronics. That's the ideal thing, or where blue light blocking glasses. Be consistent with that. Very consistent, okay, So that's number one. Number two, get sunlight every single day. So don't stay in, you know, on your computer

Starting point is 01:24:30 or in your room. Try to get an hour of sunlight every single day. Number three, lift weights. But don't lift weights too often. I see in your question here that you train five to six days a week, and you're doing three times a week of cardio. Do, listen, three days a week full body.

Starting point is 01:24:50 That's it. Mapsentabolic. Mapsentabolic, three days a week full body. How tall are you in what's your body weight? I am five of 11 and I weigh like 200 and five pounds. Okay, a little bit of cardio is fine. I don't care, that's perfectly fine, but lift weights three days a week,

Starting point is 01:25:07 maps at a ball, just do that. Keep your protein intake high. Don't get your fat intake too low and just eat a general healthy diet. Those things alone tend to make a tremendous difference with testosterone levels, especially for young men your age. Because a lot of guys are age, you stay indoors too much,

Starting point is 01:25:26 you're watching a lot of, you know, you're on your electronics quite a bit, sleep is terrible, and that's where you tend to see the issues. So do that for two or three months, and then see what happens with your testosterone levels. In my experience, I've worked with kids your age and we've done stuff like this, and we've seen them double their testosterone levels.

Starting point is 01:25:44 If you indeed do have hormone issues, have worked with kids your age and we've done stuff like this and we've seen them double their testosterone levels. If you indeed do have hormone issues, you'll know after three months of doing that consistent and then at that case I would refer you to a specialist but not until you do those things. What you don't want to do is go see a specialist if you're not doing those things because it's really only reflecting your lifestyle. And I see you're already taking vitamin D and zinc and ashwagandha already. There's not much to add to what Sal is saying. I think before you go out and spin any money

Starting point is 01:26:11 on something crazy or buy any like testosterone, booster type bullshit supplements, check all the boxes that he's saying. I think the big one that jumps out to me is the training five, six days a week. I mean, training maps in a bulk, which we'll send, if you don't training maps in a bulk, which will send, if you don't have maps in a bulk,

Starting point is 01:26:26 we'll send that over to you. Do you have that by chance or no? I do not have that. Okay, so we'll send that to you. Follow maps in a bulk, and I think that a lot. Do you track actually your macros at all right now? Yes, I have 100 and 80 grams of protein, I have a hundred and 80 grams of protein,

Starting point is 01:26:52 990 grams of fat and I'm not gonna like 200 grams of carbs. Okay, let's keep balance. Yeah, that's not bad at all. So keep doing that, look at the sleep, look at the sunlight and watch the training, overtraining is also kind of- Generally, that's what I noticed from clients that have been in your age range, is just the recovery isn't really a thought.

Starting point is 01:27:09 So it's always more is better. And if you even just pull back a bit through your three times a week of hard lifting and then allow your body to recover, rest, get good sleep, get good sunlight, a lot of this stuff will kind of turn around. And along the lines back on the sleep talk, like,, one of the things I remember when I'm your age, what I was really bad about, was being consistent with the time that I went to bed.

Starting point is 01:27:34 It was so... I could easily have one night, and I would still get six to eight hours, but I'd have one night where I went to bed at midnight, another night where I went to bed at 10, another night I might stay up to one. You're making yourself jet lagged every other day. Yeah, so even though I might be getting six to eight, the six to eight wasn't very quality because my body wasn't on this clock.

Starting point is 01:27:52 It was completely being disrupted all the time. It didn't know when I was supposed to be resting. And even though you might be getting the total time, the quality of the sleep might be hurting based off of how inconsistent you might be with the times that you go to bed and you wake up That simply Diling that in can make a big difference also if you yeah if you take pre workout You take a lot of caffeine you got to consider all that with like you know the timing of that and how much that may be

Starting point is 01:28:17 Impeding on your actual sleep and the quality of it. Yeah your age Typically the body's very responsive to these types of things. If I'm talking to a 45 year old, I mean, we can typically raise the testosterone, but I'm usually looking at like a, if I really crush it, 40% increase in testosterone, but at your age, you have a tendency to be more responsive. So give that a chance.

Starting point is 01:28:40 And then after being consistent, don't judge it until you're consistent with those things for a few months. And then after that, if it's still, if it goes up to 400, barely moves up, then I would go talk to a specialist. Now you said you already doubled your free testosterone. Was that just from taking supplements and paying a little attention to those things? What I did was I actually, my free testosterone I said, going six, I started going five days and I kind of held back on some of the cardio but I trained more when I did go to gym is more intense. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, And to be honest with you, MAP Santa Ballock has two options. There's one option that's two foundational workouts a week and one option that's three foundational workouts a week.

Starting point is 01:29:29 I bet you, just from where you're at now, if you went all the way back down to two because you might be already over trained, that might even be the best option. You can counterintuitive, but watch how your body works. Yeah, if you get stronger, if you see yourself getting stronger, you're on the right track. All right, man, thanks for calling in, buddy.

Starting point is 01:29:45 All right. Thank you very much, guys. You got it. Yeah, man. Yeah, it's a very common one as the overtraining that'll, you know, testosterone is so responsive. Well, especially if he's here, he saw that just by backing off cardio right away. He had a response.

Starting point is 01:29:57 Exactly. It's so funny. Like the body trying to tell him, like, it's like knock, knock, knock. Yeah. You're on the right path. Keep going that direction. Yeah. I, too, is really, I mean, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:30:05 I think he's going down to three. He's, he went from six to five. If he goes from five down to three, I think he's in a noose of huge difference. You know what though? I've trained a lot of, at one point, I had a lot of kind of teenage clients that were in that like, oh, it's hard for me to gain muscle.

Starting point is 01:30:18 And it's like, I would do two. And I trained a lot of clients two days a week. It just worked out that way. And if they did an extra day, they would do it on their own. But I trained, and I'd see like these really good consistent strength gains very consistently. Shit, I'd train Doug that way for a year before he got the business.

Starting point is 01:30:32 I agree, like kids like me or hardgainers like Doug, right? Or people that think they're hardgainers like us. That was, that was the answer for me. He's all, he sounds like he's trying to lean out, right? So he's a little over 200 pounds. Yeah, because testosterone, those getting hammered. That's where I'm, I'm a little careful. Yeah, no, we can always add.

Starting point is 01:30:47 I mean, what I would rather see is cut out all the cardio and go three times a week of training. That's another option. I mean, instead of going down to two days of lifting and then still letting him do the cardio, I'd rather say, hey, let's lift three days a week and drop your cardio completely or switch your cardio to just walking.

Starting point is 01:31:02 Yeah. I mean, because I think that three days of lifting isn't going to be that bad on him. I'm based off what he's eating calorie wise, his macros, his supplementing, he says he's getting rast, like, I don't know, I think they're going down to three. Yeah, but I'll tell you something, dude.

Starting point is 01:31:15 You have a 19 year old that tells you, yeah, I'm getting good sleep. I mean, I know. Well, that's why I think we all picked up on that. That's why everybody kept fucking circling around. I thought I had good sleep. You know what it was? I could get away with crappy sleep. Like looking back, I did not. Well, that's why I brought picked up on that. That's why everybody kept fucking circling around. I thought I had good sleep. You know what it was? I could get away with crappy sleep.

Starting point is 01:31:25 Like looking back, I did not. Well, that's why I brought up the... So lacked out of it. The different, because I thought I got good sleep too, because I got six to eight always. But what I realized now is like how I can, like I said, I could one night, I go to bed a bit of two in the morning,

Starting point is 01:31:37 another night I go to bed 10, like, you know what I'm saying? Well, that's the attitude, right? I was like, I'll sleep when I'm dead. Yeah, and I was mucking out on video gains for the last three hours of the night. You know what I'm saying? You can't think I was so stimulated trying to go to bed. Like, so yeah, there's a lot of things like that. And you think as a kid, you're doing fine

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1834: Natural Ways to Raise Testosterone, How to Avoid Gaining Fat on the Weekends, Keeping Weight Off After Gastric Bypass Surgery & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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