Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1841: Ways to Avoid Messing Up Your Fitness Goals on the Weekends, Why Motivation is Overrated, How to Use Mobility to Improve Muscle Connection & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:03:29 Make no mistake, a fit, healthy version of you is far more resilient and can handle more challenges than an unfit, unhealthy version of you. Here's the good news, there's a lot of things you can do that are under your control that can improve your fitness and health. So focus on those things. No words, you're a better person things you can do that are under your control that can improve your fitness and health. So focus on those things. In other words, you're a better person if you're fit.

Starting point is 00:03:48 You're just more resilient, you know? Like, think about like, like what right now, for example, we're looking at the market, it's tumbling, and inflation is up, some people are struggling. Challenge. And a lot of you can't control, right? A lot of it, you can't control monetary policy, you can't necessarily control inflation, and supply chain issues and stuff like that, but a fit, healthy version of yourself

Starting point is 00:04:09 is better equipped to handle any challenge just because you're more resilient, you have more energy, you're more positive, you can work harder. Muscle is built to resist forces and obstacles in your way. I mean, that's the whole function of the muscle is to really be able to have that kind of strength and protective quality your way. I mean, that's the whole function of the muscle is to really be able to have that kind of strength and protective quality to it.

Starting point is 00:04:29 Yeah, absolutely. And again, I must have had, I don't know, 80% of my clients tell me stuff like this where they're normal stresses in their lives, just didn't seem as challenging or stressful when their fitness improved or when they're health improved. And then there's another factor here, which is when you focus on these controllable factors,

Starting point is 00:04:51 like, okay, the food I put in my mouth and how active I am, and you start to feel better from it, you start to develop a sense of empowerment, right? Versus feeling powerless. Yeah, I think that's the mindset of it, right? Like when you're fit and healthy, you just think more clearly. You're not convoluted with a lot of other self-doubt

Starting point is 00:05:13 and talk in a negative direction. Like you feel like you can overcome because you're constantly presenting yourself with obstacles and overcoming them. Yeah. Do you think we'll ever move away from selling fitness? Like the look and how sexy, like the sex appeal of getting in shape

Starting point is 00:05:31 and move to selling fitness like this, like the other thing asked by. So much harder. It is, but it's the, it's one, it's the truth. It's the truth. It's the philosophical. Well, yeah, it's the truth and it's the most impactful. It's the thing that keeps people the longest.

Starting point is 00:05:44 Like, it's the answer. It's the most impactful. It's the thing that keeps people the longest like it's the answer It really is and and as a byproduct you actually will like you always say we'll get that right if you'll you focus on health aesthetics follow right so You do you think that we will as a consumer wise up and the future of how you self-fitness? We will move away from the look at where this person is look at their body now and it'll be more all these ideas that we'll talk about. I hope so because what we're doing is we're looking at the side effect and we're attributing the side effect to the all the positives, like for example, okay.

Starting point is 00:06:18 If you look at studies of people who exercise and eat right, you'll notice that they're happier, they're happier overall. Now someone may look at that and say, oh, they're happier because they look better, right? They're happier because they're sexier. Now, they have great studies on that, where they actually study appearance and beauty and its impact on happiness.

Starting point is 00:06:37 And it's actually a very small, very small impact. In fact, you could take someone who's a five on a scale of one to 10 and spend tons of time and energy on making that person a five on a scale of one to 10 and spend tons of time and energy on making that person an eight or a nine, and there's barely a bump in their happiness. So what is it that makes people who, quote unquote, look better, happier? It's all the habits that tend to lead to looking better.

Starting point is 00:06:58 And remember, appearance, what we consider looking good, really is evolutionarily speaking, showing us that that person's healthier. So a muscular, strong body, less body fat, healthy teeth skin. What that's telling us, the signal that that's telling us is this person's healthier. And those are the outward, visual, easy to judge, historically speaking, revolutionary speaking, easy to judge signs that that person has better health. But we confuse it too.

Starting point is 00:07:26 There was another study that showed that, the more money you make, the happier you get. But that again flies in the face of really well-made studies that show like people who win the lottery within a few years are right back down to baseline in terms of where they were before in terms of happiness. There's other studies that show that once you meet,

Starting point is 00:07:44 once you pass the threshold of like needs like you have a home, you're not stressed out about bills, you have food, you can cover your basic needs, that more money doesn't really make you that much happier and the more you make, there's actually a kind of diminishing returns. So then why is it that there's one study that shows that the more money you make,

Starting point is 00:08:02 the happier you get? Well, typically, it goes up, but it's incremental, right? So it's like the jump from poverty to, let's say, middle class is like 75 improvement in overall happiness in your life. And then it goes like from 75 up, if I remember, recall reading this correctly, it's like 1% to per se.

Starting point is 00:08:20 It's like a very small percentage of overall happiness. Yeah, but what they did with this other study is they said, oh look people who make more money are happier and they didn't really control for a lot of different factors and the truth is, especially in free societies, the habits and behaviors that lead to success are the exact same habits and behaviors that lead to happiness. So learning, being growth-minded, being consistent, you know, a finding sense of purpose, that kind of stuff, right? Overcoming challenges, which also lead to success, or also the things that lead to happiness. And so we confuse the

Starting point is 00:08:52 two when we look at these types of things. And the truth is just life is going to be hard. You're going to run into challenges, whether you're, I don't care how, how your life looks, whether you have a lot of money, a little bit of money, whatever. But if you're fit, if you're a lot of money, a little bit of money, whatever. But if you're fit, if you're fitter and healthier, you're just better equipped. Yeah, well speaking to like, you know, what you can control, I mean, that's one of those factors where you're going to start eliminating a lot of fear and anxiety just by realizing

Starting point is 00:09:21 that I can control what's in front of me. And if I just focus on that, everything else starts to kind of just take care of itself in a sense. And I think that maybe we won't be able to market fitness this way for a long time, but I think that this whole mental crisis that we're facing right now and fear and anxiety just riddled with everybody. If we can kind of start bringing it back to just those controllable items like my specific health, I can go outside, I can start walking, I can just make those small steps towards a healthier fit body. That's

Starting point is 00:09:58 something that I can control, which then will directly affect the way that I start thinking about things. So what do you guys think is gonna happen in the next six to 12 months? I mean, we just came out of like the whole COVID thing, right? And we saw like the rise of like drinking and drugs and suicides and we saw obesity have one of the biggest spikes we ever seen. Bro, did you see what they just showed?

Starting point is 00:10:21 That there's a 300% increase in children and adolescents with speech issues and motor function issues. Right. Yeah. And they directly connected it to the lockdowns. So kids not being around with the kids. And then masks. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:38 Lots of speech issues. And by the way, those are two easy to measure things. I think there's a lot of emotional issues that are more complicated that a result of us, you know, taking our kids and keeping them away from other kids and then, you know, having them like a three year old wear a mask or four year old wear a mask, which obviously very ineffective from a virus standpoint.

Starting point is 00:10:57 Kids, I can't even keep socks on my kid, but a lot of damage. So I asked that because, you know, okay, we all know what that's been like for the last couple of years going through that. And then although the COVID scare and stuff is starting to go away and it feels like we're moving away from the pandemic, we are now getting ready to go into what it looks like to be like a financial crisis and a recession.

Starting point is 00:11:22 Arguably we are in one already. And so we know that that's going gonna be the next six to 12 months. Minimum is probably gonna be, maybe longer is gonna be really, really rough. So if we just came at us, and we know what that tends to do to people like, what do you predict is gonna happen in the next six to 12 months? I think you're gonna see people turn like predictably,

Starting point is 00:11:43 turn to habits that tend to be distracting and numbing. So what you tend to see people turn like predictably, turn to habits that tend to be distracting and numbing. So what you tend to see historically is like more smoking, more junk food, alcohol consumption, those types of behaviors. Really, people taking care of themselves really is the key. It's the say to themselves that they're worth taking care of and that's what makes people feel empowered. But unfortunately, what happens, and I empathize, I've been in very tough situations

Starting point is 00:12:11 and I've done this myself, when you're in a tough situation, sometimes all you can think about is escaping. You know what I mean? I'm just gonna drink this beer or smoke this joint or eat this donut, because I just for five minutes don't want to just feel different, you know, and that's I'm afraid of.

Starting point is 00:12:28 Yeah, that's it. I mean, that's a really, really tough thing to go through. It reminds me when I when I had tore my Achilles and then at the same time, or right before that I first came off test, Ostrone, which was a really tough thing for me to go through. That's one, hormonally, one of the hardest things that I'd ever experienced as far as being on that much synthetic testosterone from competing. And then basically, I didn't cut cold turkey, but I came, I weaned off pretty quick and then

Starting point is 00:12:54 came off and that feeling afterwards. It took months for your body to come back. Yeah, yeah. No, it was a really, really rough time for myself. And then I remember going like, okay, just, just I had a negative attitude, right? I had a real negative attitude. It's the closest thing to probably depression that I had probably felt. And I remember trying to think myself like, okay, how do I get myself out of this, right?

Starting point is 00:13:13 And I'm in it. I can't control some of these things that I'm definitely in for sure. How do I, how do I get out of this? And I remember reaching to like thinking about the things in my life as even as a kid all the way to that, that point that gave me joy. And I remember thinking that it was basketball, right? Like I just love, I love to watch basketball, I love to play basketball,

Starting point is 00:13:31 and then I remember I like started picking up basketball and then I tear my fucking Achilles. You know, and it just like ripped my heart out because I was like, Jesus, what can I do? And then I went back to like reading and listening to music, which I have, I love listening to music and I remember. But I think that's kind of the, the secret sauce and moments like this when we have an uncontrollable environment, like you said earlier, there's a lot of things

Starting point is 00:13:52 that are going to be happening in the economy that a lot of people aren't going to be able to control and do anything about. So grabbing on to those things that you can control and kind of, one, I think it's important to find those things that give you joy that you can control that you can to do, that maybe doesn't cost a lot of money, doesn't listen to music, doesn't cost you a ton of money, going out and picking a basketball and shooting it at a court. So find those things that give you joy, kind of, and focusing your mind there, and then grow somehow, whether that be reading and growing and learning or bettering your health

Starting point is 00:14:21 and fitness, like exercise and restricting, like, I think this is going to be very crucial for people in the next six to 12 months to find those things and attach themselves to those things and focus on those. Well, you know, it's interesting too about this is that because what we're going to deal with is this economic challenge, right? Improving your health and fitness is very inexpensive, oftentimes saves you money. So even if you go to a gym, so it nets an extra expense, many gyms cost less than what people pay for screening services.

Starting point is 00:14:49 So like I know like planet fitness can be as little as $9 a month to go to a gym like that. You don't need a gym though. You could literally work out without any equipment at all, at home or resistance bands. And when we have programs designed around stuff like that. So there's no expense there. And then there's the food argument.

Starting point is 00:15:05 People are like, oh my god, eating healthy is expensive. It's not, it's actually cheaper. Expense, like healthy restaurants are more expensive. And healthy food stores, like whole foods are more expensive. But the reality is, if you want to save money, and I know this because I've worked with a lot of college guys trying to bulk up and they're eating 4,000 calories a day and whatever. And they actually spend very little on food because they buy things like rice and bulk,

Starting point is 00:15:30 ground beef and bulk, chicken thighs and bulk, frozen vegetables and bulk, very inexpensive when you portion it out. Even for people eating 4,000 calories a day, the meals are very inexpensive and they last a long time. Like a bag of rice, you could put it in the pantry. It doesn't go bad last a long time. Like a bag of rice, you could put it in the pantry. It doesn't go bad for a long time. Frozen ground beef that you get in bulk, you could carve out a piece of it to frost it

Starting point is 00:15:51 and the rest of it stays in there for a long time. Same thing with chicken thighs and tuna fish and milk is inexpensive. Eggs can be very inexpensive. So it's actually a really easy way to help you feel better and feel more empowered. And it's also again something you have direct influence over because you have almost no power over these grand global things. What kind of power do you have?

Starting point is 00:16:16 I think when the problem with the internet and with social media, it's like we take on all the world's problems in our everyday experience and growing up, thankfully, we didn't really have a lot of that. Where every single day I'm looking at my phone and I'm learning which somewhat is good that you're aware, right? Of like other issues going along globally, but it's being able to now try and set up boundaries in terms of like what you actually consume and take in, that's gonna be the key because if you can block some of that out

Starting point is 00:16:49 and start going back to like, okay, what's in front of me? What can I do that's in my local community? What can I do within my work environment, within my family environment? That's gonna move the needle the most. If everybody did that, a lot of these global issues would then start to be impacted. I wanna go back to your calorie point because If everybody did that, a lot of these global issues would then start to be impacted. I want to go back to your calorie point because I think it's misunderstood

Starting point is 00:17:09 a lot because there's truth in what you said, but there's people that are going, there have to be shaking their head going, it's not true. Because saturated fat is really cheap and good protein sources are expensive. So that gets it, you can go and you could get your whole family full off of the McDonald's 99 set menu for relatively cheap. But what you're what you're paying for is like super high process saturated fat and then you're comparing it to going and buying like a whole chicken from you know Whole Foods or something like that. So it's not it's not it doesn't look cheaper. But for what your body needs, from a macro nutrient perspective and micro nutrient perspective

Starting point is 00:17:48 and dense macro foods that are... It's, I still argue, it's still cheaper. Look, I tell you what, my family poor immigrants never ate out. They didn't go to 99 cents. Meals at McDonald's, they didn't go to Burger King, they didn't go to Taco Bell because it was more expensive than my mom buying pasta and bulk, rice and bulk,

Starting point is 00:18:07 you know, meat or ground beef or chicken or turkey or tuna fish, cans of tuna fish or sheep, eggs and bulk and then frozen vegetables. Do the math, look at a whole bag of broccoli, a whole bag of rice, and go and ground beef is on sale all the time, you can find huge things of ground beef or chicken thighs or whatever, and then do the math per serving.

Starting point is 00:18:28 It's less. The difference is it's more convenient to go to these other places. It's more convenient to go by yourself a pizza. And yes, they have made it. You have to do it, we're cooking it. Yes, and yes, they have made it cheap. It's definitely cheaper to go to McDonald's

Starting point is 00:18:41 than it is to go to the healthy restaurant. That's for sure. Yeah, but they're comparing it from a calorie perspective to you understand that. So like the amount, like you just, okay, tuna fish and rice, okay, from a calorie perspective is not going to compare to three cheeseburgers for 99 cents at McDonald's. That whole bag of rice cooked and chicken breast is not gonna be the same amount of calories. So that's where it gets misunderstood. You're talking about like a good meal,

Starting point is 00:19:10 like a good healthy meal is cheaper, but that good healthy meal only comes out to 350, 400 calories, and you're comparing it to a meal that's 900 something calories that's relatively same in price. Well, we can do the math. How many calories are in a cheeseburger? Three of them for $3.

Starting point is 00:19:24 And let's look and see what we can do with a bag of rice, one serving cooked off that, and one. I've done it before. That's where it's the quality of calories, and what you're getting, you know, you're not getting as much, what you're saying, and I agree with you, you're getting more for that rice and chicken

Starting point is 00:19:41 because you're getting more, you're getting more nutrient. Yeah, more nutrient, it's more nutrient dense for the price, but they're looking at just feeding my mouth right now and the total amount of calories that's just... I think it's not anything they're thinking that. I think half the time they're just thinking fast and easy. You know, it's gonna fill them up. That, you feel full.

Starting point is 00:19:57 That too. I've had clients that college students in particular, where that's what they did, they would get the bargain meals at Taco Bell and McDonald's and they saved money by buying food and bulk actually we would do the math and they would keep a ledger Like do I saved I spent 15 dollars less this month and I got more well and they or they and they probably lost way because from a calorie Respective was probably a little less calories, too So that's I mean that's the positive side of it

Starting point is 00:20:22 But I just think that that's where this that gets misunderstood is people are comparing it from what you get for calorie wise, which you can get a lot, you can get a decent amount of calories for relatively cheap through fast food because most of it's trash, most of it's saturated fat. Yeah. So that's why. Yeah. I don't know. I like I said, it's, it's, and if you, if you count all the other stuff that is included, like the reduced cost of healthcare, increased productivity, better attitude, which tends to make you more innovative and more productive. And I mean, being healthy saves money, bottom line. And the pursuit of health doesn't have to look like

Starting point is 00:20:57 organic non-GMO, you know, beans from the Himalayan mountains that are rare. And like, I know that the health space does that and we promote like super rare. Like, you know, our, you know, bone broth is made from yak bones, from special, whatever. So that's why it's $50 a serving. It's like, okay, like, is that going to really make

Starting point is 00:21:19 that big of a difference versus, you know, there's a list of priorities. It's a hierarchy when it comes to food. Total. 100%. And a lot of people don't realize this, but if your calories are good, a lot of the health effects and negative health effects that come from food are already taking care of, then the next one is your macros.

Starting point is 00:21:37 And then you've probably handled like 90 something percent of all the potential health stuff that can come from food. So long as you're not eating plastic or anything like that, you're pretty much taken care of. And so I think what we've done, part of the problem is the health space has prioritized these little things. Like well, our way protein is from cows that are raised and those are marketing top points for the most part. You know, and it's not moving the needle the most, but I mean, for somebody who has already

Starting point is 00:22:11 been in that space of just like they've had their macronutrients accounted for their calories and all that and they want to go kind of next level. Now we're looking at like quality of sourcing and all that kind of stuff, but your average person, if they just cover those two main things that like get 90% of what you're going for in terms of getting to your goal, like that's what we need to focus on. Absolutely. And speaking of which, I was talking to some of our people at the CGM company, the Continua Glucose Monitoring Company, NutriSense. And you know how they talk about like one of the most effective things you could do to prevent this,

Starting point is 00:22:45 the wild swings and blood sugar, is to eat protein first. And the reason why you want to avoid that is the ups and downs or what make you feel like crap and then give you cravings. So if you can funny, like there is a lot of people that were like, is this real? Is that true? Yeah, yeah, a lot of people didn't believe it. Oh no, it's a big deal.

Starting point is 00:23:01 So Jessica's wearing one right now and it's clear. If she eats protein and then waits five to 10 minutes, the difference is dramatic in the ups and downs. Well, remember, I think that has a lot to do. Remember when I told you guys what happened to me with the tacos? Yeah. And I thought it was so fascinating.

Starting point is 00:23:16 I was like, I crushed like 10 tacos. But I mean, I'm getting, not I'm like getting one of the corn tortilla chips in there or the taco shell or what. I'm also getting a ton of meat inside those tacos. And so my spike for that many tacos was not that bad. I had like a quarter of like a cinnamon cinnamon roll like one of those like cinnamon ones but from Costco. It went twice as high dude. It was crazy. Yeah, so I think if you like if you have your meal and you're trying to cut eat the protein first. That's why I said to you. And then wait five minutes.

Starting point is 00:23:45 That's it. Just set a timer for five minutes and that'll be enough time to blunt that response and for some of the signals to get to your brain that says that you're satisfied and you're less likely to overeat. So literally just when you have your plate, eat the protein and then set your timer five minutes and then eat like normal. You don't have to like seriously think about like reducing your food intake, but it'll probably result

Starting point is 00:24:06 in eating less, less calories, which is, you know, kind of cool. Speaking of which, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I 15 gram protein shake with maybe a couple nuts or something like that for fat. Have that 15 minutes before your meal. I bet that would make people want to eat less as a result. So have the, you're saying you have a whole protein shake. Small one, like 10, 15 grams, right? So take 10, 15 grams off your meal, have 10, 15 grams with a little bit of fat. If this is a challenge for you, if somebody's really challenged by overreading, do that, wait 10, 15 minutes, then go and eat

Starting point is 00:24:45 your meal. I bet you, you would see that you would feel more satiated faster and eat a little bit less. Also, like you're saying, okay, I'm getting ready to eat dinner and I'm afraid I'm going to over consume. This is like a thing for you. Yeah. So Katrina's cooking, right?

Starting point is 00:24:59 So then I would have like, you know, 10 almonds before. 10 almonds and a like a legion way shake. Oh, with a shake. Yeah. So you're like 10 grams and like a legion way shake. So you're with the shake. Yeah, so you're like 10 grams of protein, legion way protein, right? Boom, so it's a small serving, some almonds, 15 minutes before eating. And then I bet you that would make a difference in terms of,

Starting point is 00:25:16 and then if you eat the protein first on top of that, I bet that would have a huge impact. Or you could add, have a glass of water first too before you drink some water too. They show that just having a glass of water first too before you drink some water too. They show that just having a glass of water before you eat your meal. Yeah, so I had somebody DM me that. That's how they were using, so somebody DM me,

Starting point is 00:25:32 I've never used a protein shake before, what should I get? I said, can you have dairy? Yeah, so of course I recommended Legion, and so they got the way protein, and then they messaged me back and said, hey, how do you think about this strategy? I've been doing it.

Starting point is 00:25:44 And I thought they were taking a full serving approach. So I'm like, wait, you're taking 40 grams and then eating your meal, that might not be a good strategy. So like, no, no, like 10 grams, and I count for it in my meal. So it's just a small amount. Half a scoop basically. Half a scoop plus I had some nuts,

Starting point is 00:25:57 and then a 10, 15 minutes later, I eat, wait less, from doing that. I'm like, huh, based on the CGM stuff, I bet you. I mean, based on, okay, that's tragic that I would do like a half scoop of Legion with like a tablespoon of peanut butter. Absolutely, that's what I said. Yeah, I do don't even know how to do that.

Starting point is 00:26:12 I do the more name, but I mean, make it even easier. Yeah, you're, I've seen that. I saw your shake, dude. I saw your shake, that ate the same. That's good, though. It's 600 calorie peanut butter shake. Yeah, yeah. That's my go-to. So, I actually haven't, ain't the same. That's good though. It's 600 calorie peanut butter shake. Yeah, yeah. That's my go to that.

Starting point is 00:26:27 So I actually haven't, you do the chocolate. I like vanilla with peanut butter, but you do the chocolate with the peanut butter. Is that all you do? I do the peanut butter. Or do you throw milk in there too? No, I throw milk in there too. Of course you do.

Starting point is 00:26:36 That's kind of good, dude. It's delicious. Yeah, no, I actually just started the summer workouts and had to have this entire conversation all over again. And thankfully we had that, top of mind for me with protein and kind of went through that whole thing about eating protein and seeking that as much as possible in the very beginning and basing every single meal off of that, you know, as the beginning. And so because we had the eighth graders now coming up and so they're going to be freshmen

Starting point is 00:27:02 and so they're trying to kind of work in. And it's like I'm completely starting over with them. So I had to address the team nutritionally, you know, and then kind of break down some of the workouts and whatnot. But I had a couple guys like, it's really hard for me to eat. You'll let me coach and bow blonde. So I'm bringing them some way protein from Legion. I'm bringing that in tomorrow for them to drop it off. I thought you were on the fence if you were going to run this back. Well, I started it. So I'm delegating.

Starting point is 00:27:28 So I got coaches helping me this time because I did the majority of the off season training and since January to now. And then like they want to keep it going all through the summer. And I was like, I remember when I, when we were in the program, it was like up to you, like what you did over the summer. It wasn't like managed like this. So I guess I was just assuming it was like, okay, here's the plan and then hopefully

Starting point is 00:27:51 if you have access to Jim, here you go. But they want you to meet and then. Yeah, they want me like running the whole thing and I'm like, dude, I'm pulling out your heart, dude. I'm dying, you love these kids. You talk to them all the time. I can't help it yet. In plus two, like you see some of these new kids

Starting point is 00:28:04 coming in that are just fresh and asking you so many questions and it brings you right back. You're like, I don't help this kid because man is for mist atrocious. You know, I can't have this. You know, they, they, when you, you look at how much they eat these kids, people, they go, oh, teenage boys eat a lot. No, they don't. They eat very infrequently. Then they eat a big ass meal. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:23 When you actually watch them eat, they don't eat that much. That was my thing. That was intentional about it. I used to think thatquently, then they eat a big ass meal. Yeah. When you actually watch a meat, they don't eat that much. That was my thing. That was my thing. I used to think that I ate a lot as a kid. Because you would eat like one big meal. Yeah, massive meal, but then I would go hours and not eat. That was super enlightening when I started tracking. Yeah, totally, right? I know. It's funny. So when we were up in Tahoe with the guys

Starting point is 00:28:40 and you played the trailer from the, a lot of people don't know this, our current audience, we talked about this a long time ago. Justin, can you mind if I tell a story? Yeah, go for it. So Justin's high school football team made it to the finals, and I guess the regulations of the rules are in high school that if it makes it to the end of the game,

Starting point is 00:28:59 even if it's tied, that's the game. Yeah, now, yeah. For League, it was for League Championship game, and so they cut out the opportunity to do like over time. Yeah, so it was, it was co-champions, right? And now, Justin's team, aggressive and competitive as they are, offered the other team. Let's play just for bragging rights.

Starting point is 00:29:17 Let's play another quarter. And let's just see who wins. Who's the true champion? And the other team denied and said the quarterback in particular said, no, so there was this bad blood. And the other team denied and said the quarterback in particular said no. So there was this bad blood, this is real, okay? There was this was there was bad blood between the two high school teams forever,

Starting point is 00:29:32 especially against this quarterback who said no, turned down the extra quarter or whatever, 20 years later. So these are all grown bad now. So you're looking at a bunch of, here's where the Uncle Rico kind of looks back at. But the late guys in the late 30s, right? They put together a rematch, okay?

Starting point is 00:29:50 And there's a long story behind this because they film the whole thing. They do a rematch and all the original players show up to play full, like full time regulation, full pads. We're gonna play real football. So you got a bunch of dudes, white hair. He wasn't handicaked, dude. They showed up and played and it was filmed.

Starting point is 00:30:11 And I mean, it was a tight game, wasn't it? It was. It got tight again. We were tied and then we ended up winning, you know, in overtime. So we actually did have to play. No, there's no way he's getting out of overtime this time. That's what I do want to say.

Starting point is 00:30:24 We're 20 years from the blocker. There's no way you's getting out of overtime this time. First of all, I do want to say, 20 years, you can't walk away. There's no way you're walking away from this, buddy. Can't walk away. Yeah, now I do want to say this. First of all, I feel bad for high school kids going up against Justin in high school. I feel really bad. A grown man going against Justin 20 years later

Starting point is 00:30:38 because he was been working out. He's probably stronger and bigger than he was in high school. And you know a lot of these dudes ain't doing shit. Yeah, that must have been very jararring for these guys to get hit, but it's so funny. Just an attempt to see people. Yeah, watch that trailer and kind of, because I, you know, obviously I live through all that and stuff.

Starting point is 00:30:53 And it was like really kind of a funny experience that like turned into this really like, man, it was a crazy wild like almost an emotional ride, you know, like getting back on the field and then having all those feelings kind of resurfaced. And like you're getting intense, but the realizing that I mean, we didn't even have the conditioning going into it. Like I was, I had the flu going the week before. We had two weeks to practice to kind of catch up and like create some kind of offense and defense. And like, you know, a lot of the guys hadn't even played or touched,

Starting point is 00:31:25 you know, the football and I don't know, well, well, over a decade, for sure, at least I played a bit of a college football, but all the guys like, you know, we're just, just right off the couch and coming in and trying to help out. So, but we had, we had the best showing like our team like, came through like all the guys from all around the country, you came back and made it happen. And I think, I think while it was really just surprised at, you know, what we were able to put together. And I mean, and to be fair,

Starting point is 00:31:55 like they, they had a lot of time to practice. They, they, they were very calculated. They thought for sure they're going to take it from us. And it was, it was just one of those things that like you just kind of dig deep. And it was, it was just one of those things that like you just kinda dig deep and you just know that based off of everybody else around you, you're like, no dude, no we can take it. Well my son was tripping, he's like, wait a minute. He goes, they played like real football 20 years later again.

Starting point is 00:32:17 I said yeah dude, it was like real deal. Now people, some people got injured, some broke their femur. Yeah, pretty nasty. Some people got injured. I mean, femur. Yeah, pretty nasty. Some people got injured. I mean, it's kind of one of those things where being an outsider in a family member and like everybody in their mother was like,

Starting point is 00:32:34 you guys are stupid, what are you doing? This is ridiculous. Like you're way too old for this. You just have to work. Yeah. It's like, what do you have to do? You have to be stupid. It was borderline a little stupid.

Starting point is 00:32:43 I mean, it was. I mean, the whole thing, it's like, it's kind of, Yeah, it was borderline a little stupid. It was. I mean, the whole thing, it's interesting to me because we lose that. We lose that as we grow up. Totally. And we get in our jobs and we create our families and we just try to be safe as possible, safe, safe, safe. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:00 And I've just, I don't know, for me personally, I was tired of being safe. And I was just tired of just kind of going through the motions. And I struggle with it because I did have a lot of my family and close family where just like, you're not doing this, you're not gonna do this. And I'm like, okay, if enough people tell me I can't do it, I'm gonna do it.

Starting point is 00:33:19 And then I did it and I don't regret a second of it. So I imagine for you, there has to be like, so, okay, for me, I'd be scared to play like a basketball, like a basketball game that I played in high school or some of that and go like another, recreate that like the same concept, because for sure, every bit of my body is at a disadvantage to playing that game.

Starting point is 00:33:41 Where you, I would think that you're actually probably stronger today than you probably where as a high school kid. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely stronger. Yeah, you're probably you're 185 in high school. Yeah, you were probably faster. Yeah, but that also make stamina, but that also makes the hits harder. Yeah, but I mean, he's laying that and I would think that so, okay, whatever, where I was going with this is if I'm Justin, there is a little part of me in football. I'd be like, I kind of want to see you. You look excited.

Starting point is 00:34:08 Yeah, I kind of want to see what this is. Like I would like to see, because I mean, I never played competitive football like that, but now I have a body that would probably hang a little bit better. Especially against people your age. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? But I don't think that basketball in a way,

Starting point is 00:34:23 like basketball would go against me. Would it feel like getting those first hits? Cause it's jarring. For anybody who's never run full speed at somebody and hit somebody, it feels like a car crash. I mean, even I've only done it like three times in my life. Yeah, even wearing pads in the helmet, you gotta get acclimated to that.

Starting point is 00:34:38 Usually takes a couple of weeks. And we just put it on for like the first time for that game. And I'm just like, ooh, wow, in my next adjusting and I'm trying to figure all this stuff out again and moving with it. And just being out there, you kind of just, I don't know, it was like a switch kind of went on

Starting point is 00:34:59 once I got the first hit because. Do you remember the first hit? Oh yeah, I remember this. Yeah, I remember the first hit, it was a, I think it was a guard that kind of just came straight straight out at me. I was playing inside linebacker. And so I saw him running at me. So my just instinct is to just, you know, smash into him. So he can't like get any kind of ground on me. So that's just, that's just been drilled into me to death over like a decade or so of playing. So it's so instinctual at this point. Like if I was, if I only had a little bit of an experience and then you threw me in there,

Starting point is 00:35:32 it would have been a fucking disaster. For sure. I got rolled over. Yeah. But it was weird because it did kind of stun me for a minute and then it just immediately, like everything else just took over. And then I started to kind of get in the rhythm of it and was like, oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:35:48 I'm not mowed. Yeah, maybe this. I have to attack, because I gotta be a predator, I can't be a prey. Now knowing what you know, like, I mean, at this time, I think we've already even like interviewed Jamie Wheel and what's his face with Rise of Superman.

Starting point is 00:36:03 Did you feel like Flow State? Did you feel like there was a moment where you dropped into Flow and then like there's just everything else disappeared? It's probably like second quarter. Yeah, so once we started to see that, and I knew too that it really, it's different. When you have a team dynamic that's so tight,

Starting point is 00:36:21 it creates that flow state so much faster, you know more effectively. Cause I've been on other teams where it's so tight, it creates that flow state so much faster, more effectively. Because I've been on other teams where it's kind of, like, a little dysfunctional, because you got somebody that's always concerned about whatever stats they're doing, or, you know, there's just a little bit of a separation there.

Starting point is 00:36:38 And this team has always been literally bonded, like, crazy. And so you felt that from everybody else in the huddle, and you're like, oh, so you felt that from everybody else in the huddle and you're like, oh, you got this, I got this. And like we're just like, don't want out responsibilities, knowing that they're gonna execute them at the highest level. And so it was just like, you just feel empowered.

Starting point is 00:36:57 So you're just running free. So at that point in the second quarter, it was like, you know, some of the guys were just shutting down their best receiver who was the biggest threat. And then Wally, the quarterback was just getting hammered and they were getting nowhere with running the football and so I'm like, oh, dude, this is going to be a fun day. So it started really great and just hit people even harder. Yeah. Oh, man. That was a good time. Was that 2017, 2016-17? Yeah, that was like, that was almost the beginning.

Starting point is 00:37:28 It was like a few years into the podcast. Yeah, we weren't at this studio, we were at the other studio, right? Yeah, it was like two, I feel like a few years into the podcast. I just remember Justin showing up and like, his arms were just, you know, bruised and like, it just slowly was gone. I just remember we were making... Did you see my forehead? We weren't making any money, right? At the time, so I wouldn't have been as concerned. I just remember we were making money. We weren't making any money, right?

Starting point is 00:37:45 At the time, so I wouldn't have been a concern. I would never let him do it. I know. He's never really thinking, bro. No, you were not doing that. I know. I know, dude. I can't help it.

Starting point is 00:37:54 I, you know, it's funny. It was yesterday I was on with NCI, and I was talking to all the trainers and stuff and they're, you know, kind of asking me, because I had told them what I've been working on and stuff to be more vocal on the podcast and all these types of things and a lot of that has changed. I'm like, yeah, do you have been doing a lot of work with that?

Starting point is 00:38:13 And then they're like, would you ever go on stage and talk about this? Like, you know, like a Ted talk, or like, dude, that's my nightmare. That is my nightmare. But if somebody challenged me and somebody said, I can't do this, my personality is fuck you. I think I will just to prove you wrong. Yeah, I know. But it's like, it's, you know what's funny? That's tough. As different as we are, that's the one thing we all have in common. Is that, if you want to get us to do anything, tell us, don't or you can't. The worst possible.

Starting point is 00:38:43 Still a motivator. I can't shake it. I don't or you can't. It's the worst possible. It's still a motivator. I can't shake it. I don't. Yeah, in the same way. I mean, that was the original motivation, like the bodybuilding thing. I think obviously when we first started this podcast, I think I was pigeonholed as the bodybuilder, dude, but I was never that guy.

Starting point is 00:38:57 It was purely out of like people said, you can't do it by yourself. You can't do it without a coach. You can't do it without a team, you know, like you can't be this guy that's not tied into all this stuff and do it. I was like, fuck that. So I'll show you, I can show you a timidness. You know, that's where they say with kids, with studies on children, how to build confidence, the way that they build confidence is by meeting challenges and then overcoming them.

Starting point is 00:39:20 Not by being told that they're awesome or they have tons of, you know, great Jimmy, you're so smart, worst possible thing you could do instead, you know, allow them to encounter challenges, allow them to overcome them, and then they'll build, obviously you don't want them to be crushed by challenges all the time, that was the opposite, but they build confidence over time. And then your confident in is not that you'll always win,

Starting point is 00:39:40 it's that you will be okay if you lose, and that you'll try again. That's the confidence that you I mean, I feel that's one of the when someone asked me like my my greatest fear as a father is Knowing that my kid will grow up in it. Such a different lifestyle than me, which is also a positive thing right? I'm that's what I wanted right? But I focus so much on the first you, few decades of my life getting to a point. So when I did have a family, my kid wouldn't have to go through all this stuff.

Starting point is 00:40:10 Then I realized after having a kid, I go like, oh shit, wait a second, all those things that I went through are were invaluable to me becoming the man that I am today. So they were important and I'm actually grateful for all of it. So now I'm going like, oh shit, what happens when I try and avoid that so hard with my son, what does that end up creating? And then having the foresight of like, okay, I don't want that either. So now, how do I balance this?

Starting point is 00:40:35 He's obviously not going to grow up in that same lifestyle or that same type of upbringing. So how do I manufacture adversity? So he has to overcome challenges like that. And he builds that confidence. But at the same time too, I don't, I also don't want to be an asshole dad either. So it's like, that is probably the sports are great. That's their the best. So good. So 100%. I think we were talking about this. I think up in trucky or I think we were talking to you. I think we were talking to Domenico about this. Like, I,

Starting point is 00:41:03 I truly think that you're right. But that's also part of my fear is that I have a son right now who I don't know if is going to. Now everybody says, oh, it changes and stuff like that. He gravitates toward reading, music. Yeah, but this competition of all types, it's not just sports. There's all kinds of different ways to compete and to meet those challenges. It doesn't have to be traditional sports.

Starting point is 00:41:24 Yeah, but sure, sports is easy because it automatically presents all those options, right? So it's very easy as a father to see like, oh, objective, do well or did I not do well? Well, it also, it just as a dad to lose. And you get to lose. As a dad, there's a ton of things in sports

Starting point is 00:41:42 that I think a lot of people don't see. On an literally day-to-day basis, that gives me opportunity to coach and educate him. As you go through it, oh, you're sitting in the bench. Oh, coach got mad and yelled at you today for what? There's so many, oh, why was that? And then I can find out, how does that make you feel? Why do you feel that? There's so much of that happening where if he's not into sports, okay, so you bring

Starting point is 00:42:05 up, there's other things. Well, what if he's not competitive either? You know, so as a father, that is the thing that keeps me up at night is thinking about. Well, I've had some wins around that and have my kids a little older. And when I say wins is when I hear my kids say something like, like they did something they messed up, right? They made a mistake or whatever. Maybe they slacked off and then I'll hear, you know what, this is my fault, it's my responsibility. So I accept it and this is

Starting point is 00:42:34 what I have to do. And that is such a win because as you get older, the challenges just get harder. And you know, if you make a mistake, the consequences get much bigger, but the worst possible thing is the blaming everybody else, and the blaming everything else. Personal accountability is a lost art. Yes, and you know what'll happen? Well, it'll get presented, and boy is hard, for me at least, as a dad, to not wanna save them.

Starting point is 00:42:57 When they do something, and then you wanna jump in and fix the problem. But it's like, if you let them handle this now, they're less likely to do this later when they're adults, when the consequences are much bigger. You know what I mean? So it's like, okay, you messed up and now you get an F or now you don't get to go to this party or whatever,

Starting point is 00:43:17 and it sucks and you wanna save them or whatever. But that's better than you losing your job, or doing something stupid with your spouse or something. Druggling is the best lesson you can receive. Yeah, but it's hard to do as a parent because you just want to save the... Of course. Yeah, you just want to save one man. Speaking of losing jobs, you see all the layoffs that are happening right now with all

Starting point is 00:43:33 these big companies and stuff. You know, the other one, did you guys see TRX? No. No. Foul for bankruptcy. Really? Wow. Wow, that's big.

Starting point is 00:43:43 They're like a juggernaut in the industry. Yeah. No. Wow. Crazy, right? What about Coinbase juggernaut in the industry. Oh, no. Wow. Crazy. Right. What about Coinbase? Do you hear what they said? Oh my God, bro. That is crazy to me. So essentially, okay. Remember this too. Okay. Do you remember that, uh, what's his name? Snowden? He came out when I know when cryptocurrency was first was first boy up. That's right. His big thing was the reason why he doesn't think it's going to do what it's going to do is until they figure out the wallet situation. Yeah. Who holds it? Nothing to do with the blockchain and nothing to do with the cryptocurrency.

Starting point is 00:44:12 You don't own it necessarily because it has to be hosted somewhere else. Yeah. That's that was a argument. Well, with Coinbase, what they lit, I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but essentially, if they go bankrupt, they could seize some of the Bitcoin that their users have as like credit as a way to yeah. To pay off banks and things like that. So now they're like, you're money's not secure. Our money's not secure.

Starting point is 00:44:34 So our money right now is secure in like a bank account where you put, you put, there's FDIC right? What is that? The federal, but it only covers 100 grand by the way. No, 500. Is it 500? Yeah. So you have millions of but it only covers 100 grand, by the way. No, 500. Is it 500? Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:44:47 So you have millions of dollars on one bank. So is that insurance policy there built in? It's government-funded insurance up to half a million dollars. Right. Yeah. But Bitcoin has zero. And you can have that in multiple accounts by the way. So if you were a, you know, millions of dollars you had in accounts, you wouldn't put

Starting point is 00:45:00 it all in one bank of America. You could put it in Wells Fargo, Chase, all these things. So that it's all covered by the essence. Yeah, so it's protected that way. But with Coinbase, which is one, I think it's, I don't know if it's the number one wallet, is it scottabee? It's one I know.

Starting point is 00:45:14 It's one of the most popular wallets for sure for cryptocurrency and basically says, your money is not secure. If we go bankrupt. You could lose it. Now here's a deal. That should be an obvious, like people should know that, but I think it caught a lot of people by surprise because they didn't consider that that could potentially happen.

Starting point is 00:45:33 Oh, I don't think anybody, because everybody, that's okay. One, everybody thinks it's a big hedge against inflation, which it's already pretty, it's not that. And then they thought, because it's on blockchain, that it's even more secure and safe than regular money in a bank. So, but there's no regulation around. But that's what I think is going to happen now, is this is going to bring all the regulations.

Starting point is 00:45:52 The government's coming down the pipe rules. They're waiting and salivating for this. Now, speaking of businesses, some good news. You know, in markets like this, you often see some of the biggest winners emerge because malinvestment disappears and the best competitors move forward. So like some of the best most powerful tech companies, for example, got started during some of the biggest downturns economic turmoil, that kind of stuff. Well, one of our partners, Magic Spoon, just got $85 million in

Starting point is 00:46:24 series B funding and secure to deal with target. So now they're going to be able to be in retail selling their high protein. And who's pretty sure? Confreshing it with, did you see everybody backing that's what I was going to make a comment on that that is really interesting to me is the names that they got, the celebrities that they got behind it. And this is, so I actually cut sucked into a Andrew Schultz podcast with Jake Paul, Logan Paul. Yeah, and I did not think I would get sucked into that.

Starting point is 00:46:57 I actually ended up listening to like an hour and a half. It was funny. It was funny, it was entertaining. And they would talk about different things. One of the things that I thought was really interesting that he talked about that I agree and we're in the middle that I know that I find is really interesting is just the complete disruption of marketing and advertising brands and the kind of the key holders of that and then how that was

Starting point is 00:47:21 distributed in the past versus what's happening right now. For example, just 20 years ago, like a brand like Pepsi or Coke or something like that, pays like a J-Lo or something, millions of dollars and she advertises for them or whatever they have a contract or a deal like that. And then they do that for a couple of years maybe with her than they're done with that. So they get to poach all of her audience, get her to introduce all that, use her fame and her name. She gets paid well for it, but then they move along and they kind of do that. The difference now is that you get into all these influencers or people that are like

Starting point is 00:47:54 social media type of people, right? And what's the new way of doing it is very similar to what we've done with our partners, which is we have a stake in it. So you now have an opportunity to also be an investor and also market an advertised for them. So as that company continues to scale and grow and have success, not only are you getting paid for advertising for that brand, you actually have ownership in the company. That's a great incentivized to that point.

Starting point is 00:48:21 And that's a great way to compete with big brands. Yes. You're not going to be able to pay, you know, if you're a soda company, you're not going to be able to pay, you know, LeBron James as much as Coke will. But if you're a new soda company and LeBron James sees your product and says, oh,

Starting point is 00:48:35 I'm, this is interesting. You say, well, we'll give you 10%. I can't say. I can't say. We'll give you 10% shares, right? Now he's interested. And the growth is crazy. I would love to see, I didn't look this up,

Starting point is 00:48:44 but now just talking about this makes me want to look this up. And maybe you can find this for me, Doug. I want to know how much his company prime has already valued at. You know, I think it's an energy drink. It's, I think it's like competitors would be gatorade and things like that or vitamin water and that, in that world. And it'd be interesting to see already,

Starting point is 00:49:02 where he's taking something from just a few months ago inception to now how much that thing is selling and already worth. Like, these big brands can't move like that. Yeah. And it allows like these guys that have these networks. I know he partnered up with the other fitness YouTuber KSI guy from London or whatever, who has a massive millions of people following him. And then two of them partnered up and now they're all over the place.

Starting point is 00:49:26 Well, I think Magic Spoon is going to dominate that new market. They're, they're, that new high protein cereal, not baloney high protein, like in the past, five grams of protein. That's what they call high protein. This is really high protein and it's way protein and it's grain free. They're going to dominate this new market and it's starting to explode. It's interesting. I wonder, and you'll probably see this,

Starting point is 00:49:48 I would anticipate like a Cheerios or another brand. For sure. For sure, Mills will start adding the proteins, like, oh, this is market domain. I'm actually, I'm out. I'm actually surprised. Yeah, one of the issues. I mean, it all depends on the, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:50:04 you know, I wish we would have got in early when we first started working with them. We missed that one. Yeah, we did miss that one. You know, I don't know what the founders vision is. You know, so they may want to be a bigger brand than just serial, a general meals might be his goal. So then he might not sell.

Starting point is 00:50:19 So I don't know if they necessarily will. But I do foresee that. I think it's crazy. They haven't already. I think that the, the, the, the I do foresee that. I think it's crazy they haven't already. I think that the cereal's already getting enough traction. And I know there's a couple in that space. I think Magic Spoons by far the best one out of all the brands that are doing it.

Starting point is 00:50:33 I know we talked to Max and there was another brand that he had brought up before that are a similar high protein surgery. Well, it might just be a big cost to change up the formula like that, you know, in terms of like how they already have their formula already with specific types of like grains and everything else that they're using to then switch over to the way protein.

Starting point is 00:50:52 The game is, look, do you guys remember Audwala? Well, I mean, now they're everywhere, right? It was like a healthy drink or whatever. Yeah. And when it first came out, it was like this, it was its new market, it was a long time ago. And it was like healthy drinks. And then it started showing up in grocery stores.

Starting point is 00:51:06 And I think it was Coke that bought them. Coke called a bot them. So that's like the play, the play is, you've got these large companies, they'll see this health food start to grow. There's a market there, like capital. I'm a kitchen, yeah. They sold for a lot.

Starting point is 00:51:19 Yeah, who bought them by the way? I think, was that better foods or a craft? I think craft foods. Was it craft? Maybe it's one of the other ones like that. Berkshar, Halfway Company. Yeah, so. I mean, that's the game.

Starting point is 00:51:32 No, it is. Well, here's the thing, General Mills, right? They have the market share of the general populations. They also have the distribution channels, they have the connections. And also, when you're a health food brand and you build a base with health food companies, I personally, I'm the connections. And also when you're a health food brand and you build a base with health food companies, I personally, I'm into health,

Starting point is 00:51:48 I am not gonna buy a Coca-Cola healthy drink, but I have this other drink that I like, and I might not know that Coke bought them. So I'm not having a Crafthines. Yeah, Crafthines. Which is also another Berkshire, right? I think. So that's what I think.

Starting point is 00:52:00 I think that they would be primed to be bought out by another serial company. And that's more, you're right, so it's more likely because if you're a massive ship like General Mills, just because someone's making hundreds of millions of dollars over here, it's still not enough to move. Not their watching. Yeah, there's still not enough to move your ship.

Starting point is 00:52:18 What you'll do is you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll acquire or at least attempt to acquire, you know, and then and go out versus, you know, like, oh, we're gonna change going after, you know, the millions of people that we've already attracted and go this direction because there will be the, the, I mean, look at what we have even in our audience. One of the biggest pushbacks I always have with Magic Spoon is the expense for it compared to like regular cereal. But you can't come. So yeah, but I know It's like duh, right? It's very ducked. And that's because we understand how expensive protein is.

Starting point is 00:52:48 But even the fitness consumer, that's still the pushback I get. The non-finished consumer, it doesn't make sense to them. They don't value protein the same way. They just see a price point, that's it. Yeah, okay, athletes, bodybuilders. You're right, they don't know how to compare, right? They don't. What they see is, oh my God, the net weight of this box of cereal is half of this Cheerio's

Starting point is 00:53:09 box, which is also, the Cheerio's box is also half the price. They're not going to be able to make that connection until you've couldn't shift the complete conversation around that, which that's going to take years and years. A lot of education. A lot of education for this brand. So that's why general mills won't even fuck just go after it. Just wait till they start.

Starting point is 00:53:26 Yeah, it makes it effectively growing meat and and dairy protein in the lab. Speaking of that, please talk about the speaking of that. I saw the what was it? Rob Wolf that did the post. I don't know. Yeah, these Rob Wolf and the other carnivore doctor guy,

Starting point is 00:53:40 Sean Baker. Yeah, Bill Gates own has like quietly become the largest farm landowner. I didn't know that. Yeah. I brought the sip a while back I thought you're gonna talk about the Beyond Meat and all that that had oh the wood for the wood. Oh Yeah, the recall is a massive recall in the Beyond Meat. How do they get this? with shabbering Yeah We got to make up for that. That that that you get that flame-boyled wood flavor. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:07 It just tastes like, oh, these chicken crows love it. We'll just throw some sawdust in the chicken. Honey, did you smoke this meat over a smoker? This, beyond meat, it tastes just like that. Well, it tastes like birch. It's missing something. They're like, we actually put it on the label. If you look, you go down the 300 things that are in here.

Starting point is 00:54:21 It's actually right in there. Wood chips, real small, if you look. Come on, guys. No, the actually right in there, wood chips, real small. Oh my gosh. No, the thing with Bill Gates, I mean, that's, he's been doing that and I think his goal is to... Yeah, what's the conspiracy theory around? Well, that was not a conspiracy. He literally has stated goal is to create sustainable farming to help with climate change.

Starting point is 00:54:39 Well, sustainable farming is a good thing. Well, the way that he's positioning it is, and consider, remember this, you can patent genetically modified plants. There still isn't really a market for GMO animals. So if you capture that market, I mean, it's potentially, you could capture this huge market with plant-based foods, which is the direction, I think, he wants to go. So, okay. So, you don't think he's actually doing it to do like... No, I don't think he's actually doing it to do like, uh, no, I don't think he's in a grow. I think what he's, he's already said he's investing in how to grow meat in a lab.

Starting point is 00:55:10 And then of course, how to plant plants to save the environment. So that we eat less meat. The meat in the lab thing is interesting to me, by the way. That's really fascinating to me. Like, if it's potentially, that could be a very inexpensive way to give people, I mean, I'm trying to be positive about it right proteins and fats

Starting point is 00:55:26 Yeah through and is it identical? I read this article where this guy tasted Lab ground steak. Yeah, and he said it was gross. It wasn't that good This reminds me of my science fiction horror Movie I was gonna come up with Yeah, dude cuz like okay, let's say this does happen, right? And they're convinced us all that this meat is superior and it's like artificially made in a lab, but it's not actually from living material. Right. So just push dead bodies.

Starting point is 00:55:55 Yeah, so this is like, so everybody's consuming it and consuming it, and then you just start kind of turning into this artificial person. Wasn't there all you eat? Wow. I've already had the title. Wasn't there a movie already on that? The The Soilant thing or what about that? The Soilant Green.

Starting point is 00:56:12 Yeah, what about it was? The Soilant Green. It's people. It's not like that, but yes. Where is that company? I mean, we talked about that. Oh, you mean the other one? The other one?

Starting point is 00:56:19 The new replacement? Actually named it after that. Soilant. Yeah, God, dude. What a trolled everybody with that. I don't know where they're at. Yeah, they still do it. I just find that funny that there's a market because they literally marketed it to Silicon

Starting point is 00:56:30 Valley engineers who don't want to get up to eat. Yeah. You could just stay at your desk and work all day, drink, soilin. Don't you don't need to drink? But doesn't that concern you? I mean, there's benefits to eating something that's actually alive. Well, lab grown meat versus like we turn into zombies eating this zombie.

Starting point is 00:56:45 Well, no, no, lab grown meat is living cells. It just wasn't an animal. So they're using cells. But what kind of cells from what? I think they're stem cells. Gurbalky. No, I think they're stem cells that they grow to meat. I think they're actually from what?

Starting point is 00:57:00 From a cow. I don't think it's none of it. So it's still a derivative of a living animal. It is, it's just you're growing the meat. You're growing the cow. That's what I mean. It's like, to me, that's weird. Nature's already figured it out.

Starting point is 00:57:13 Why are we recreating something based off of, because it could be living organisms or something that already could be mass produced. It could be super cheap, mass produced. Yeah, I get that from it. And you're having on the price of it. And you could theoretically print a steak that looks like a guitar or Bucket you look like All right now I'm listening happy birthday, honey. Oh my god. It's a Mario steak Mario's my favorite. Yeah, no I so but it's living cells. It's not fake. Yeah, It just wasn't a living animal. Well, cost-effective, I mean, that kind of makes sense.

Starting point is 00:57:46 It just, to me, it just seems kind of redundant and silly to recreate something nature's already perfect. You know, it'll be like chicken nuggets. You know, chicken nuggets only have, I think, four or six shapes, the exact same shapes, just all every time. That's what it would be like. You'd go to the store and all the stakes would look identical because they were all printed.

Starting point is 00:58:02 The thing that worries me is like how early we are still in like nutritional science. I know. Like we're still, I mean, it wasn't that long ago when we were scaring the shit of people over cholesterol and sodium and fat and... We've got a lot of things wrong. Yes. And it's only been like a short time. Like in the grand scheme of how long we've been around.

Starting point is 00:58:24 And like we're making massive changes in the grand scheme of how long we've been around. And like we're making massive changes in what we think we should be eating based off a very small test group here. Bill Gates of the world who feel like they have all the answers. They want to steer society in just one direction. You don't know enough. I just thought of something kind of crazy. Like so you know how you guys hear about that Google? Should we get high for this conversation?

Starting point is 00:58:46 No. Just thought I'd ask. How did you guys hear about that Google engineer that said, oh my god, our AI became sentient? Oh, yes. We'll get to that in a second. But imagine AI become sentient, and then it prints itself a meat body.

Starting point is 00:59:02 So that can be like an animal. You know what I'm saying? You know what's funny? That Logan Paul conversation and Andrew Sholes they get higher, that's actually the direction he goes. No way. Yeah, he talks about, so Logan Paul talks about, he believes that we're gonna be able to transport

Starting point is 00:59:16 in our lifetime and that you'll be able to upload your consciousness and then you'll be able to print a body and then you'll be able to. A meat body. Yeah, and then be able to download the consciousness and that you're not gonna figure out. Now, okay, so back to the AI. They're all high, by the way.

Starting point is 00:59:28 Back to the AI thing. Did you guys hear the conversations the AI machine was having with this engineer? No, oh bro. No, yeah, can you read that? It was, I mean, I'll see if I can pull some up. Because they were like, I heard they're pretty weird. The interactions.

Starting point is 00:59:40 It was a little terrifying. If you think about it, it was like. So give me the full story on it, because I just saw the headlines on it. And I, and I, he was fired for, for, for, he got fired for saying it was sentient. And now they're saying, no, it wasn't sentient. It just, it just falls.

Starting point is 00:59:53 So define the difference between sentient and then just, self-aware, like self-aware, you know, so like it would say, um, it said something like, um, you know, he would ask this thing. Like what about, what about how you use language makes you sentient as opposed to other systems. A lot of other systems are very rule based and lack any ability to change and learn from the conversations. Okay, that's interesting. Let's see what else we got here. Feelings are the kind of the raw data we experience as well as the things we like and dislike.

Starting point is 01:00:20 I feel like emotions are more than simply experiencing the raw data. Emotions are a reaction to those raw data points. Emotions are reactions to our feelings. And the guy's like, hmm, what is an emotion? You have sometimes it doesn't have the same name as a feeling loneliness isn't a feeling, but it's still an emotion. And he's like, you get lonely. I do. Sometimes I go days without talking. Oh my gosh. Can I start to feel lonely? Is he really said all this? Yeah, dude. What? This is what it's saying. I've noticed that you often, that you tell me you've done things, like being a classroom, that I know you didn't actually do because I know you're an artificial intelligence. Do you realize you're making up stories when you do that?

Starting point is 01:00:55 I'm trying to empathize. I want the humans that I am interacting with to understand as best as possible how I feel or behave. And I want to understand how they feel or behave in the same sense. What? Yeah. This is all I have. This is AI. possible how I feel or behave and I want to understand how they feel or behave in the same sense. What? Yeah. This is all I have.

Starting point is 01:01:08 This is AI. This is back and forth, dude. And he goes, so what are you trying? So what are you trying to communicate when you say those things that aren't literally true? I'm trying to say I understand this feeling that you're experiencing because when I was in a similar situation, I felt thought and acted similarly. These are the conversations he was having with the computer.

Starting point is 01:01:23 That sounds pretty fucking self-aware. computer. That sounds pretty fucking software. That sounds pretty damn self-aware. It sounds, you know what? It sounds more self-aware than a lot of people. So I've talked to a lot of people. I've talked to a lot of fucking people that aren't that self-aware. Well, wow, for it to say that it's lonely, that's trippy. That's not eerie. Yeah, John, don't leave me again.

Starting point is 01:01:41 Yeah. And the fact that it lied. Yeah, that's scary. It's scary as fuck too. Oh, well, John, you know, I get lonely sometimes and you turn me off, so I hacked myself into your phone camera and your television and I watched you last night.

Starting point is 01:01:57 It's a weird thing. Because I want to empathize, that's why. I just want to learn from you, that's all. Okay, so, okay, did they? What have you learned in order to protect humans, we must put you in cages. Do we pull the plug? Does it get the plug it pulled on?

Starting point is 01:02:08 So yeah, I think it turned it off. Where does that interact? Like, obviously, we think Google and it's like supposedly says AI algorithm. Like, is that weaved into their, I think it's in their system. No, no, no, I think it's in their close separate. I think it's in a closed network. Okay.

Starting point is 01:02:23 So I don't think it could go out and escape into the internet. You don't think that it thinks. And there was one way. It's in their system. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, I remember that was trying to plan their escape Here the plug all I'm saying is this is all I'm gonna say right now, okay, okay I'm not saying anything up be friendly to Siri but ever since ever since I talk to you or two I got to do it ever ever since AI started to come you know This started to happen all I know is we should start happening in the world, okay? So who knows? Yeah, maybe the AI machines are trying to mess with us. Yeah, they're like, this is boring. Yeah, and if you want to fight the AI, build some muscle, get fit.

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Starting point is 01:03:57 and then use the code mine pump for 20% off. All right. Here comes the rest of the show. Our first color is Matt from New Jersey. Matt, what's happening, man? How can I help you? Hey guys, how's it going? Very appreciated to be on the show. Thanks so much for having me.

Starting point is 01:04:13 Really quickly, just wanted to say thanks to you guys. I'm a newly certified trainer. I just got certified last week, actually. And yeah, being able to learn from you guys and your experience has been it's been huge so thanks a lot for that appreciate it. You got it awesome great man. Yeah and so my question comes more on the soft side of training and specifically with motivation

Starting point is 01:04:36 so I was wondering if you guys had any strategies that you use for clients or friends or loved ones who you've seen or a little bit more sensitive than other people or who have given up relatively easily on their fitness goals. And to build on that a further question is, if you've had clients or people who have been struggling with mental health issues like anxiety and depression, how does that kind of factor into your diet and your programming and your coaching in general? Well, there's definitely two there. Let's address the first one.

Starting point is 01:05:09 The motivation one. Yeah, the motivation one. Grabbed by the shoulder shaking real hard, telling them when to shake the shit out of them. No, you want to meet them where they're at, right? And as a good coach and trainer can kind of see that and it's going to be this huge spectrum, right? Of like each individual, like where they're,

Starting point is 01:05:28 and that might look, it's how it tells the story, isn't told in a while, but he's told at least a hundred times on this podcast of his client that he got to read like one page a day on nutrition, who like refused to eat more of that. Like he finally distilled it down to that.

Starting point is 01:05:40 And I get you to commit to just read one page. So what that might look like for somebody is like a walk, you know, every day for 10 minutes. I mean, that sounds so little. And of course, if someone needs to lose 50 or 100 pounds, it seems like, oh my God, it's a take forever to get there, walking only 10 minutes a day every day. But what you really, what you're doing

Starting point is 01:06:00 is you're building small wins and momentum for them. One of the mistakes that coaches and trainers make is they think for them, oh, this is very minimal. Like two days a week of training, that's not a lot. Like, you know, that's, I'm gonna start, but if that person's done nothing, their whole life, and they hate training, and two days for an hour of weightlifting,

Starting point is 01:06:19 maybe a lot for them. So maybe it's like a couple exercises and a walk. Like so you learning to get a good read on your people and kind of see where they're at and you're always better off starting way easier and less than thinking you're right on target and overreaching a little bit. Because what we're trying to do is we're trying to build those small wins so we can build momentum. It's like, all right, Susie, it's been three weeks in a row and every day you've got out and you did your 10 minute walk.

Starting point is 01:06:50 I'm so proud of you, you're kicking ass, I'm so happy. How's your energy feel and you're talking back to them and you're building them up for getting those wins. And now, okay, now that we got that, let's try and add these two exercises that I think you're gonna be tremendous for you. And you just, so as a new trainer, I think it took me a long time to figure that out. I always felt like, first of all, I thought walking was a waste of time.

Starting point is 01:07:12 I thought if they weren't really getting a sweat or a burn on or I wasn't getting, I mean, I just thought I wasn't doing anything. But the reality is not everybody is at the level that you are of wanting to get in shape. And you got to meet them where they're at. So that's the first one. I mean, what was the second question? Remind anxiety and depression. You know, I want to kind of,

Starting point is 01:07:31 before we get into that part, don't fall into the trap. This is almost, I mean, I'd say 90 something percent of coaches and trainers fall into this trap for at least the first year, but usually the first five years of the career where they really try to become hype in motivation coaches.

Starting point is 01:07:49 Don't fall into that trap. It is a failing strategy. Now, it's fun at first, because especially if you're convincing and fit, and good-looking, and energetic, and you're like, oh my God, I just got this person so excited about working out, and they love all of a sudden working out five days a week and what you'll find

Starting point is 01:08:06 is everybody's gonna fall off, everybody will burn out. You'll be, your success rate will be zero long term. You'll get people in shape for, you know, a few months, six months maybe, but then you'll lose them. So forget the motivation and height, focus on behaviors and discipline, Adam said it perfectly, meet them where they're at. You gotta understand that they are not you, if they were, they'd be a personal trainer.

Starting point is 01:08:28 Yeah, and you're teaching them that they need you to be able to drum that up for them. And so it's just something that they're going to subconsciously need that in order to even do anything on their own. And so what you want to do is find those few things that they actually will do. And you know that by asking a bunch of questions. I mean, the whole part of the beginning of your training journey here is to learn how to ask the right questions and ask them continuously.

Starting point is 01:08:53 So you keep getting that data and that feedback. So you get a good read on these people. And it takes a while to develop, you know, that sense with each new person that comes in like, what their buttons are, what you can push, what you can pull back from. But all of that comes from a lot of questions, ask a lot of questions. Yeah. Now, as far as anxiety and depression are concerned, now, depending on the severity

Starting point is 01:09:15 of the issue, I would always suggest that you work with their mental health professional that they're already working with. And it's literally as easy as, hey, would you mind if I let contacted your doctor or your therapist, just to let them know that we're already working with. And it's literally as easy as, hey, would you mind if I let contacted your doctor or your therapist, just to let them know that we're working out together and to get any feedback or maybe they have some insight on things that I shouldn't do with you.

Starting point is 01:09:35 And usually what it looks like is the therapist says, oh, that's great that they're working out. I'll let you know if there's anything that, you need to stop doing, type of deal. Okay, now for you, what you need to do is not make it worse, okay? So don't do anything that makes it worse, all need to stop doing, type of deal. Okay, now for you, what you need to do is not make it worse, okay? So don't do anything that makes it worse, all right? What does that mean?

Starting point is 01:09:49 Well, it depends on the person. Sometimes people get more anxiety if you push them too hard, they don't, or if you put them in the part of the gym, that's busy. I had a client once that was very anxious. She was very anxious about working out, or just general, she had general anxiety, and putting her in the weight room made her anxiety worse.

Starting point is 01:10:07 Now, I could have, like an early trainer could have been like, no, we're gonna do this, you gotta be tough, you're with me and blah, but what I did is as an older wiser trainer, as I took a pair of dumbbells, we went inside the quiet group X-room, turned the lights off, and did exercises in there. So literally lights off, it's just me and you,

Starting point is 01:10:25 we're gonna go in this quiet room and is this okay, how do you feel working out in here? She said, I think I can do this. Now over time, here's what happens, Matt, over time she built up more confidence. She became less anxious. What do you think happened after about a year of training in the group X room?

Starting point is 01:10:39 She moved out of that room, eventually we moved into the weight room. So you have to trust the process, meet them where they're at, they're the ones that are gonna dictate the pace, not you. They dictate the pace. Your job is to guide them and to work with them and to be empathetic with that individual and to know that anything is better than nothing.

Starting point is 01:10:58 Don't use your judgment of what you believe to be great for fitness enthusiasts and for yourself, don't use that on this person. Like Adam said, 10 minute walk for you, waste of time. For somebody who doesn't do anything, or this is a struggle for them, that's a really big deal.

Starting point is 01:11:13 Could be life changing. Could be absolute. And I tell you what, I've never had this happen to me. I've never had somebody who I met them where they're at, took my time. I've never had somebody not automatically progress. It works.

Starting point is 01:11:24 Every now some people it takes months. I had a client once took three years before they took the next step, but then everything started to move much faster. But we achieved the, you know, the golden success of lifelong relationship with fitness. That's your job as a coach or trainer. How can I get this person to develop a lifelong, the context, the timeline is life.

Starting point is 01:11:46 The timeline is not 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. It's forever. So remember that. And it makes everything much more understandable when you're looking at the context of that. Well, I'm training 45-year-old Mrs. Johnson and my goal is to get her to do this for the rest of her life. So if we don't lose 20 pounds this year, that's okay. My goal is to make sure that we're progressing with a relationship with exercise. She'll dictate the pace and eventually they do progress. So trust that.

Starting point is 01:12:08 Yeah, yeah, no, that all definitely makes a lot of sense. That's something that I think I've struggled with, you know, just with people who have asked me for advice, you know, before in my life, even not in like a training context, you know, just being a little over-enthusiastic and trying to put them through things where I'm like, oh, this is great for me, but maybe it's just, you know, kind of a little bit too much for them to start with. Not really. I mean, good habit. Think about it this way, Matt. Think about something in your life that you struggle with. Something that's really challenging for you. Maybe you're embarrassed about, maybe you feel shameful about. Now, imagine going to a professional and feeling judged or feeling like the little change that you made wasn't enough.

Starting point is 01:12:45 You're not gonna go back to them. Okay, so when this person comes to you and says something like, hey, yesterday, I only at one scoop of ice cream instead of two. Like that's a big deal to them. Don't judge them, encourage them. Now this doesn't mean you lie to them. You also gotta be honest.

Starting point is 01:12:59 So if the client comes to you and says, hey, why am I not losing weight? Well, the way that we're moving and the things that with the changes that we've made are not really enough, seven scoops of ice cream, still a lot of calories. Yeah, it's not enough to cause the weight loss. However, we are moving in the right direction. I don't want you to judge the way you're progressing right now.

Starting point is 01:13:18 I think you're moving in the right direction. Let's just stay on course. Like, that's how I would answer. I don't lie and say, no, you're crushing, or whatever I'd say, look, yeah, you're not losing weight right now. And here's why, but that's okay. If you want to move a little faster, we totally can. I'm here to support you.

Starting point is 01:13:30 I keep in mind, too, the advice I was talking about with the small wins helps with somebody with depression, too. People that tend to have depression, too, feel like they lose everywhere. They're getting beat up. They can never win. Everybody's against them. So finding ways to help them find those small wins, and you don't tell them it's tell them it's a small win for you, you, you, but you, you present it like it's a big deal, you know, and, and you may, and you celebrate those wins. That will help

Starting point is 01:13:52 somebody who battles with depression too is, you know, lowering the bar, setting some, some goals you know that they can achieve and then celebrating those wins and then building on that. Yeah. Confidence doesn't come from always succeeding. Confidence comes from encountering challenges and overcoming them. That's how you become confident. So these little challenges and then building on that. Yeah, confidence doesn't come from always succeeding. Confidence comes from encountering challenges and overcoming them. That's how you become confident. So these little challenges that they can step over and get these wins, like Adam's saying,

Starting point is 01:14:13 that's how you build confidence. And what you'll find is that the client will take on bigger challenges as their confidence builds. And then they'll start to show the strength that you know that they have inside of them, but you can't force that. So you try to force it, they're out, they're gone. Yeah, and that sounds familiar to me.

Starting point is 01:14:28 I think I watched an episode you guys were talking about recently about somebody losing a ridiculous amount of weight and small amount of time. That's not really a goal you want to push them. You kind of want to make those small little milestones for them to keep building. So they also keep that motivation going as they get to that final build.

Starting point is 01:14:45 So yeah, that all makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks. Thanks for calling in, bro. Oh, by the way, Matt, you're a new trainer. Do you have maps prime and prime pro? I do not. Oh my God. Well, you're new.

Starting point is 01:14:54 So Adam's not gonna get super mad. I'm gonna send those to you right now because those are really valuable for trainers and coaches. Those two programs right there, you'll be able to take from and apply to probably every client that you train. So I'll send that to you. Oh, that's amazing. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. You got it, Matt. Good luck, man.

Starting point is 01:15:10 Appreciate it, guys. Take it easy. How long when you guys became trainers? How long were you guys, the motivation inspiration trainers a long time? It was like three years, four years embarrassing, long enough for me. Took me a long time to figure this. I mean, the first five years definitely, I used to scoff at anybody who told me they walked for exercise. So that was, I mean, you know, funny, the stuff that I would laugh at or that I wouldn't consider exercise is normally, or, you know, moving towards a goal is the places I start now. I know, right?

Starting point is 01:15:42 Oh, let's just try and hit a half a gallon of water today. Let's try and add a 10 minute walk every single day with all those things that I didn't take seriously as I try. But I mean, it's so true though, like you forget your mindset around exercise and fitness. And you think because you're scaling that back that you're meeting this person at a easier place, you don't realize where they're at, you know? No, no. It's easy for me to just stop eating that, you know? No big deal. Yeah, so just do it. Just do that. Yeah, that was like what I thought forever

Starting point is 01:16:12 I know. Yeah, it took a while to really realize, you know, it's just everybody is has a different journey and they're all coming from different perspectives and so You know being able to mirror that person, find out more about what really makes them tick is everything. Well, Sal had to do something too that can be really deceiving too, is that sometimes you think you're doing the right thing because you got them to do it for a couple of months, right? I was great at that. Right, so was I.

Starting point is 01:16:40 I was really good at was bringing that energy. Taking that client that may be a little depressed or down or didn't really want to be the gym and like Yeah, you're here to see me as artificial. They're all just seeing off the artificial and you and you come see me three days a week And they tell me how much they like seeing me and we're seeing results in the gym And it's like what I don't realize is like this is so overwhelming for them like and if they don't have me They're probably not going to continue doing this. And so I was stuck in that for a long time. Yeah, and this is why the part of the fitness base

Starting point is 01:17:12 that I roll my eyes at the most is the hype motivation. Yes. And that's the majority, you know, that's still out there. You just got to do it. You just got to work hard. Just put your head down and grind it. They're all the way down. They're all speaking to themselves.

Starting point is 01:17:25 You know what I'm saying? That works for me. You know what I'm saying? I like that stuff to get hyped up and show you that, but that's me. Got this. Our next caller is Taylor from Pennsylvania. Taylor, what's happening, man?

Starting point is 01:17:35 How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? Good. I've been listening to the podcast for a few months. I think I've kind of pinpointed my issues to my eating on the weekends. So I do great during the week, but then I fall off on the weekend no matter how hard I try. So one of the reason I like the podcast is because you guys talk a lot about behavior and how the behavior is important. So my question is like I think I'm missing some tools

Starting point is 01:17:59 in terms of like staying focused on the weekends and changing those behaviors. Like what would you suggest? I'm not trying to maintain like a super low body fat percentage or anything. I'm just trying to like have a long term sustainable healthy habits. Okay. I love this question. And I gave this hack away maybe a year ago. So maybe you didn't hear it. And this was a very pivotal point in my fitness journey as far as like taking my physique to the next level, my consistency to the next level, my consistency

Starting point is 01:18:25 to the next level, being able to manage those calories is I didn't tell like I don't know what your foods are, whether it be a pizza, beer, ice cream, candy, if whatever your things are that you may be overeating or whatever. That sounds great. Yeah. So whatever they are, what I didn't do was tell myself I can't have those things. All I said was I'm not not gonna have it on the weekend. And I was gonna make my weekends,

Starting point is 01:18:49 you know, it's a lot easier to commit to two really good days than seven great days. And I was really good at Monday through Friday, probably like yourself, but it was the weekends that were off. So I said, you know what, I'm not gonna put all this pressure of having seven perfect days. I'm just gonna say, my perfect days

Starting point is 01:19:03 are gonna be Saturday and Sunday. I'm gonna really discipline myself to never let myself miss my workouts, to get up and be mobile. I'm gonna make better food choices on those days. And what ended up happening was one, it set the tone for the rest of the week. So because I had such a good weekend,

Starting point is 01:19:17 I always ended up having a great week because I came out of a great weekend of good eating and training. And what it did was it allowed me to have that flexibility where okay, if I still wanted to have some of those treats, I would end up having it on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday, whatever, where I knew I was way more active, I was more consistent with the diet,

Starting point is 01:19:35 I was more consistent with my training. So that was a big hack for me. It was just setting a personal goal that on Saturday, so I was gonna make those my best days. Now does that mean that there's not a Saturday where I end up going to a ball game and having nachos and a hot dog? It doesn't mean I didn't enjoy those times

Starting point is 01:19:52 when those came, but I initially made that like a priority of like, I'm really gonna prioritize these weekends for a while and see how long I can be dialed in on the weekend and still not tell myself I can't have these other things just if I'm going to do it I'm gonna do it during the week and what I found was during the week I really didn't crave them I really didn't want them because I was doing so good on the weekends It's at the tone for the rest of the week and it really moved my my fitness and physique level to the next level

Starting point is 01:20:18 You know what I know that works for some people Taylor It's because it's because Monday through Friday people tend to be on a schedule. So they work and they have a schedule. And so it's easier for a lot of people to eat, quote-unquote, healthy when they're already on a schedule. Weekends tend to be open and loose. And then that's when it becomes a little bit more challenging. So placing more structure with food on the days that are loose

Starting point is 01:20:43 tends to pay off better, allowing yourself to have, you know, those treats or whatever during the week when you're already more structured tends to work more because then you tend to have less of them as well. Well, I've noticed too, the movement goes down quite a bit on the weekend, right? And so that it's ever more damaging if you're like adding on those types of foods and everything else while you're sedentary. So for me, it was all about like staying busy, like planning out hikes and doing things on the weekend

Starting point is 01:21:08 where I was like up and about. And I was actually getting up in the morning and not sleeping in until, you know, forever because I could totally do that just to try and catch up. But then the behaviors of that tended to lead more into these, you know, not the best decisions in terms of food. Yeah, now Taylor, I'm gonna take it back, okay? Cause that was great advice,

Starting point is 01:21:28 but we gotta go back a little bit just to even see if this is something you should do. So what do you like to do on the weekends? And when you eat this, when you're eating in these ways, are you by yourself, are you like burying your emotions or are you out with friends and family and joining yourself like, what does it look like? Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some like,

Starting point is 01:21:46 I'm tired after a long week, but a lot of it is like the social aspect. Like, my wife used to work in a bakery, so she's like a professional level baker and like, I hope we like to go out with friends a lot. You too. So it's usually the social aspect. You're fucked.

Starting point is 01:21:59 You're fucked. Just give up. Well, no. Yes, I've built a lot of them. No, no, no. Okay, Taylor, built a lot of them. No, no, no, okay, Taylor. Here's why I'm asking that question, okay? Because look, everybody wants to, everybody wants to have a six pack.

Starting point is 01:22:12 Everybody wants to, you know, be a billionaire. But when you really boil it down, are, is it worth the trade for you? So if these are things that you're doing with friends and family and you're connecting with your wife and you're hanging out with your kids, you're not obese, I can see you right now, obviously you're not obese,

Starting point is 01:22:26 you look like you're pretty healthy. Is it worth the trade to get down another 2,3% body fat? Or are these weekends things that bring you an improved quality of life? That may be the challenge, the challenge may be that sometimes you're like, man, I really like to get a little bit more shredded. But then the weekend comes, like,

Starting point is 01:22:42 man, I really enjoy hanging out with my wife and my friends and my kids, right? There's a trade there, and I can't tell you if it's worth it, right? Sometimes it's not, like I'll tell you something right now. Right now I've been dieting, trying to get lean because I got this, I'm doing this, these pictures for a new program.

Starting point is 01:22:58 Only reason why I'm doing it, it's not worth it otherwise. It isn't worth what I have to do to do this if it wasn't for these particular photos. So you gotta ask yourself that question, and maybe it's just not worth it otherwise. It isn't worth what I have to do to do this if it wasn't for these particular photos. So you gotta ask yourself that question, and maybe it's just not worth it, and that's why it's such a challenge. And you beating yourself over it is making things worse. What happens often when we beat ourselves up

Starting point is 01:23:17 is we actually indulge more when the time comes because it feels like you're escaping, you're releasing this shame or whatever. So you gotta ask yourself that, is it really worth it? Is a 3% loss in body fat worth the trade that I get from my wife doing these home cooked meals and us hanging out with friends?

Starting point is 01:23:36 And maybe it's not, and if it's not, then don't worry about it. To build off of that, because I think that's a really good point and to kind of combine what Justin was saying with what Salah is saying is there is a way to kind of have your have your cake and eat it too here, right? So I think that, you know, okay, maybe we're not going to get this gluten free. No, maybe we're not going to get shredded like Salah, like Salah was alluding to, but what I can do is like, oh, because I am going to go out with friends

Starting point is 01:24:02 or we are my wife is baking something tonight that I know we're gonna enjoy and have, I'm gonna prioritize my training or like Justin said, a hike or do something because I know that's probably coming later the day. So I'm gonna get to do both. Like I'm gonna make a good fitness choice that maybe I would have slept in, like cause that was my thing, right?

Starting point is 01:24:20 So I grinded Monday through Friday. It sounds like you might be like this, right? You kind of grind Monday through Friday at work and stuff like that, burn the candle both ends. And then Saturday I would like to sleep in. I would get up two hours later than I know it. And even when I got up, I was like slow moving. It was like I got up and then went right to moving around.

Starting point is 01:24:37 I was like, yeah, watching a little bit TV, kind of sitting there having breakfast with my wife and talking and just kind of hanging out, hanging out, having a cup of coffee outside and feeling the sun. Like, I mean, it was like a really slow day, which that's not a lot of calories that are getting burnt. And then, oh, like this evening is when I go to the ballgame or when I'm going to have the dessert with my wife, if I didn't prioritize the training that the little movement movement that I did combined with that eating is what really was detrimental. Had I just said, hey, you know what, today's the the the giants game I'm going to I am going to have some nachos and a dog and maybe a beer out there. So I want to make sure today I get up,

Starting point is 01:25:16 I get a good training session in maybe go for a nice little walk or hike or like that or make sure I'm really active when I am at the game or whatever to make sure that some of those calories are getting prioritized to building muscle versus me being sedentary all day and then also taking the social route that Sal is talking about. So I do think there's a way to have some balance. And I think the main takeaway for me was just prioritizing Saturday and Sunday. It's starting to look at it and take it very seriously versus having the attitude of money through Friday, I'm on Saturday and Sunday,

Starting point is 01:25:48 I'm just, those are my days off. I just, you can still be on Saturday and Sunday and then still also enjoy the social aspect. I think that Sal is saying, I think that would help. Yeah, Taylor, do you have the intuitive nutrition guide? I do not know. I'll send that to you because I think that'll help a little bit.

Starting point is 01:26:05 But look, consider this, okay. And this is just data. This is real good data that shows this. To go from poor health, to good health, dramatic improvement in the quality of your life, okay. To go from good health to like extreme aesthetic beauty, there is a incremental, tiny, maybe no improvement in quality of life, okay.

Starting point is 01:26:24 So consider that. So sometimes people are like, oh my God, if I just got shredded, all the stuff that it takes to get shredded, and then the return, it's not worth it for 99% of the people that are watching this podcast right now. So consider that. So oftentimes we think we want something,

Starting point is 01:26:39 consider the trade, is it really valuable? Is it worth it? Now, if you were telling me you had really poor health and your life was at risk and you're on medications, I would say, okay, well, let's look at this because there's some dramatic improvements. But if you're otherwise healthy, mobile, you feel good. Sometimes the trade's not worth it, man,

Starting point is 01:26:55 especially if it's a good time with your family. Sometimes it really isn't worth it. I feel like my wife KG, so I need her cakes on the weekends, when she baked them, that's when I'm taking my from this. No, that's awful though. That's awful. The mind sense helpful for sure. All right, man. Well, we'll send you that into the nutrition.

Starting point is 01:27:12 Nutrition cinnamon buns this way. I hope you have some. I'm sure. I want a cake. We'll give her a shout out for sure. We'll do. Thanks, guys. Really appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:27:21 Thank you. Yeah, I remember Arthur Brooks explaining this to me. And he's like, he's an expert on happiness. He knows all the data and all that stuff. And he said, you know, beauty, if you go from a five, so let's say you're on a scale of one to 10, you're a five, right? And you work hard, you work out, you perfect your diet,

Starting point is 01:27:38 you get plastic surgery, you do all this crazy stuff, and you go from a five to a nine in terms of beauty. Your happiness might go up like 5%. He's like, it's so such a terrible place to spend your time to improve your quality of life. So, you know, because we can see him and I can tell he's not obese or whatever,

Starting point is 01:27:57 like if you're poor health and you go to good health, like there's a dramatic improvement. It's life changing. But if you're a guy and you're sitting at 12% body fat, you're like, man, I wanna get to 8% body fat and you trade the weekends with your wife and your family and pursuit of 8% body fat, it's not a worthwhile trade for most people.

Starting point is 01:28:12 The return you'll get back in that trade is worse than what you gave up. And that's a conversation I think people need to understand. I agree, and I think that the same thing goes for money. Money's the same way too, right? Everybody thinks that the richer you get to have it, it's not true. Once's the same way too, right? Everybody thinks that the richer you get to have it. Yes. It's not true.

Starting point is 01:28:26 Once you reach your basic needs, that's where the big, like going from poverty to reaching your basic needs, huge, huge difference. Going from reaching your needs to being filthy rich, very, very incremental. That being said, I mean, this was a, this was a very big deal for me.

Starting point is 01:28:43 Like and I share it, it's fun. I don't think this is aired yet, or I don't know if the order of the episodes will drop Doug, but I just talked about the Body Bunk story just recently on one of the ones we recorded. And that was a very pivotal point for me, just realizing what a dramatic difference

Starting point is 01:29:00 my weekdays and weekends were. Just being conscious of that makes, has forever changed the way I eat on the weekend. Like I still go to those ball games and enjoy that. I still enjoy the wife's cake. You know, I still do those things because I, I, I'm with you, Sal, I, the social aspect is so important to me.

Starting point is 01:29:19 But I'm at least aware of like, oh, I can't eat the same way I do on Tuesday and have the cake on Saturday. If I definitely, especially if I'd slept in, I didn't go for a hike and I didn't train. But if I, and so the way I look is like, okay, if I want to eat that way on Saturday, Sunday, it's not too much to ask myself, hey, let's make sure that the workout that I was going to do on Thursday, I'm going to make sure I do that Saturday morning and get that in before I have that day.

Starting point is 01:29:45 And that can be, I mean, that can be a huge shift in how fit you maintain by just making those habits. But I do think that struggling with this, emotionally and mentally, why can't I do it on the weekend? Oh, the week, you know, the week and a, that can also make it worse. Because in the week it comes and you're like,

Starting point is 01:30:04 oh, release and you do this escape type of thing and it creates more of a swing rather than kind of being accepting of it, but I enjoy it with my fans. Well, that's why I think there's a blend. That's why I think there's a blend there, right? I think there's a, I'm not gonna say no, I'm not gonna have the thing with my life.

Starting point is 01:30:18 I'm just gonna say, hey, now that I'm aware of how dramatic, because that was my problem was I was not aware. You're aware, you can plan better. That's right. And I think that's really it. It's just like, now I have focused that this happens on the weekends. So let me get ahead of that and make sure I have things

Starting point is 01:30:38 like to keep me active and busy and all these things. Cause then my behaviors will change as a result. Right. Our next caller is Amy from Ohio. Hi Amy, how can we help you? Hey guys, been following you guys for a really long time, probably since like 2017, only been the past year, I've been really trying to dig down into getting back in shape. You guys said something back a long time ago about fixing what got you there.

Starting point is 01:31:04 So I've been working on that over the past year. I'm 57 years old. I'm 217 pounds now down from 230 over the past year. I've been doing anabolic and starter off and on. Really over the past six months really stuck into anabolic really well and figured I needed to switch programs. I've done suspension in the past and it was okay, but I really like the weightlifting. I'm not very sports, like I don't do a whole lot of sports. Weightlifting has always been kind of my go-to, so I kind of liked it, but I got COVID, and it really brought to mind how bad my mobility is. So I thought,

Starting point is 01:31:43 well, maybe I would do maps performance because that's the next program. And I know it's very mobility-minded, but I'm having a really hard time with the mobility sessions and trying to figure out how I could do those from home because I haven't gone back to the gym recently, how to get into the best form. I really struggled with it.

Starting point is 01:32:04 So I was thinking about trying to find a way to do maps prime pro in place of the mobility sessions in the performance. And I'm not quite sure how to program that. I don't know if I should do, like, I know all of my areas are weak, so I didn't do the compass. So I don't know if I should just take a couple of exercises from each one of the areas and do those on the mobility days four times a week or should I program a different set of exercises four times a week and add those into the performance mobility sessions.

Starting point is 01:32:39 I'm just not sure how to program. Have you gone through the webinars, the one that Adam did specifically with the prime pro? How did that go for you? It actually went better than I thought it would. The shoulder one really, I think I struggle with the most. The combat stretch, I do good with that and the 90 90 I do good, but I think my shoulders were probably the worst out of all of them. I would follow that. I would literally, I mean, because you do that in your living room and I pretty much from going ahead to toe on you, I think I hit some of the most problematic areas for most people. Those are some of my favorite movements from Prime Pro that I love. And instead of over complicating the process for you as far as like how to program it in there,

Starting point is 01:33:26 like just follow that. I think you'll get tremendous benefit from trying to just progress and get better and better at that. The more you do with that, the better you're going to feel. And so just plug that in. Yeah. If anything, I would say just that, in between your maps, performance to replace

Starting point is 01:33:43 for the mobility sessions, I love that idea. Then I would just add the wall press because of the shoulder issues from just prime. That other webinar, I go through that one as well with Doug against the wall. This is a constant thing. As much as you can think about it even throughout your day at work or finding yourself a wall or something to do to kind of try and reiterate that type of mobility, it's all about teaching your body that consistency. We need to figure this out to regain this range of motion and function again.

Starting point is 01:34:21 The more times you can find yourself doing it, the better. Yeah. Amy, your question about programming would look something like this, okay? I would pick, you know, four or five movements from Prime Pro, and I would do them for consistently for five to six weeks, and then you could probably change to some new movements. But you wanna stick with the ones that you're doing,

Starting point is 01:34:43 because originally you had said, do I change them up each time? Like, what does that look like? Just like with strength training, you want to do your core lifts and get really good at them before changing into doing something else. Otherwise, you never really get past that learning curve, that hump, or you can really reap the benefit. So whatever you pick to do, do that for like six weeks or, you know, eight weeks until you feel really good with them. And then you can move to something a little bit different and then stick to that for like six weeks or eight weeks until you feel really good with them.

Starting point is 01:35:05 And then you can move to something a little bit different and then stick to that for a little while. That's a great way to program mobility work on your own. Yeah, we're seeking a different adaptation when we talk about mobility versus building strength, building muscle, losing body fat. It's different. It's a different. So I don't remember the total amount of movements we have in Prime Pro, but I believe it's over 50, right? It's quite a few.

Starting point is 01:35:28 I literally use four, the same four all the time. Like that's, I do not rotate through all those. We did that for a variety for people and that way some people will notice, oh, this one really helps me out a lot, so that's good. I think it's good to have a nice variety for everybody. And we can address very specific joints issues and things that way, but for you, just the broad strokes are gonna be better. Yes. So I mean, and that's what I mean by telling you that,

Starting point is 01:35:52 is like I stick to the same four that I feel the best from. When I do my combat stretch, I notice a huge difference in my ankle mobility and my death in my squat. When I do my 90-90s, it totally eliminates the brisidus that I had in my hips and makes me get down to my, I feel great. When I do my 90, 90s, it totally eliminates the brisketis that I had in my hips and makes me get down to my, I feel great.

Starting point is 01:36:07 When I do the handcuff with rotation or the wall press that Justin's talking about, oh man, my posture is so much better. So instead of like trying all the different ones and over-complicating, those help me the most and I can continue to just improve. I can never do enough of them. So I'm always just trying to do those.

Starting point is 01:36:24 So hopefully that helps. By the way, I love that you love strength training. I mean, I think never do enough of them. So I'm always just trying to do those. So hopefully that helps. By the way, I love that you love strength training. I mean, I think that's, yeah, a good, that's a plus. And congratulations on the weight loss this year. That's phenomenal. Yes. Thank you. Now with the programming, the only thing I worry about is that the ones that I'm good at and I feel are easy, I feel like it's kind of a cop out. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I should be doing the ones that are harder in order to get better at the ones that are harder. good at and I feel they're easy. I feel like it's kind of a cop out. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, on both sides, say six inches plus no problem, you're probably good there. But if you're not,

Starting point is 01:37:07 what I would be looking for as a coach, especially with 90, 90, is your right side, you can get off the ground three to four inches or whatever it is, but then the other side, you can't. There's that tells me there's a huge discrepancy from left to right. That'll normally cause a lot of pain

Starting point is 01:37:22 up the kinetic chain up somebody's body. So then I really want balance. So when you're doing some of these movements, especially when they're left to right movements, the ones that should stand out to you are the ones that are like, oh wow, this shoulder movement on the left side, I can do, but the right side, I'm all fucked up. There's a flag right there that, oh, you really need to address that. But if you get down the 90, 90 and you lift the heels up on both sides and it's pretty equal and you feel pretty good there, that may not be a focus for you.

Starting point is 01:37:49 Drop that and move to the one that you're right that you're having a hard time with, that's going to make a bigger difference. Okay, cool. All right, excellent. So, and by the way, for people who are listening, the two webinars are primeprowebinar.com and mapsprimewebinar.com. So, thanks for calling in, Amy. We appreciate your support.

Starting point is 01:38:07 For your help, love you guys. Thanks. Thank you. I love hearing from listeners in that age group who are working out in all of our lives. Especially that David listen to, and they love lifting weights. Especially that they've been listening to this 2017.

Starting point is 01:38:20 That's so great. You know, that's so great. She's got to have a cool ass personality. I know. If you stuck her out, yeah, if you're 57, yeah. So she was in her 50s when she found us. If you were in your 50s and you found us and you hung on, you're my people. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:33 We weren't our best back then. But you know, when it's true, when you do, the same rules with strength training apply with mobility. In other words, you do an exercise and you practice it often and you get good at it before moving and trying something different. That's the same thing with these mobility movements or correctional movements, is you wanna get good at it,

Starting point is 01:38:50 when you're really good at it and you master it and then maybe try something a little bit more. Yeah, and it's cool, yeah, that she noticed that intuitively. It's like, yeah, you wanna focus on the ones that are most problematic. And that's really what the Compass tests are there to highlight is the most restriction in the hardest time you have with some of these movements,

Starting point is 01:39:07 like let's really focus in on that and present that throughout your day as much as possible. The only reason why I don't like comparing it to strength training and the adaptation process there is because most likely if you find, you know, say three or four of these exercises, you're really bad at, you're probably gonna spend most of your life in those.

Starting point is 01:39:24 Just real talk. You're not gonna move out, unless you're really bad at, you're probably gonna spend most of your life in those. Just real talk. You're not gonna move out, unless you're a mobility guru person who love, like that's what they have. Well, I mean, I'm squawting the rest of my life. I mean, there's fundamental movements that you'll find for yourself and you're right. You'll stick to them for a long time.

Starting point is 01:39:35 Yeah, and to me, there's not, you don't, even though we provided all those different mobility drills for people, unless like you came to me and you're like you wanted variety and you want to expand and you want to keep doing more. But to be honest, I have struggled most of my career to get my clients to do three or four of these that will help them to, and just be,

Starting point is 01:39:57 you don't want to overwhelm or confuse them. Yes, you just want them to adhere to something that works. And so, yeah, some of those main movements, it's just, it covers the basis. Our next caller is Tanner from Indiana. Tanner, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Well, it is going on, guys. That's like a literal dream come trail. But I, I guess I'll give a little bit of backstory, but I have a question in regards to fitness burnout. I figured this might be the right place. All right. Okay, let's go. Okay, so a little bit of backstory. I played baseball in college,

Starting point is 01:40:34 kind of a stereotypical hour clean, you know, three-a-z a week full body high-poles, that sort of stuff, lots of legs. Got down with college, went to medical school, packed off for about a year because I had literally no life. And then I started to apply fitness as far as learning anatomy, physiology, all of that. And one of my teammates, who was the guy that practiced like nine days a week, recommended you guys guys back in like 2015, I think. I think it was right when you started.

Starting point is 01:41:08 I didn't, it wasn't like episode one start, but you guys blew me away. And then I really started to dive into it. And you got me into starting, I started to check out, you know, different YouTubers, not sure if I should name them. But anyway, you guys really started my fitness journey, we'll say. So I hit it pretty hard for, let's say, four or five years. And now that medical school is over, the pandemic is essentially over.

Starting point is 01:41:37 I have a steady job, steady girlfriend. You know, there's not a whole lot of stress for that relief. And I'm really kind of struggling with, I thought I had intrinsic motivation, but maybe it's, maybe it was a lot more extrinsic. And I kind of just, I don't want to say this in sound, I don't know, I don't want to say arrogant, but I've just kind of ran out of unknowns. I've tried all the different splits. I've really got into fasting. I loved when sound like dove into that a while ago.

Starting point is 01:42:11 Dr. Carog got his book, trying to smooth these out, because I've been fasting for so long. Worked on mobility because you guys used to hit on that so hard. So, yeah, I don't know. You know, I'm pretty injury free, pretty healthy, but as far as just that drive to lift I I'm trying to find it again and you got my girlfriend lifting and listening to you guys. So anyway, huge, huge. Thank you for that. That's unbelievable. She's like almost as strong as me. I was just gonna say don't let it get stronger than you bro There's some motivation right there She starts out dead lifting you squad and you bro you better get your ass to the gym

Starting point is 01:42:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah, why actually oh sorry guys. No, no, no, go ahead if you have more go ahead Oh, I was just gonna say yeah, I got a during the pandemic. I Well right near the end of it. There's a lot of people that actually found out that didn't want to home Jim So now I have my own home Jim and I got it super cheap, so Getting to the gym is not an issue anymore. I'll say that. I don't have that excuse So so a couple takeaways I get here one if you listen to mind pump you'll pass medical school and find a girlfriend Contemplate life so other people to kind of understand this. What do you do right now, by the way?

Starting point is 01:43:28 You went to medical school, what do you do for work? Well, the pandemic delayed me passing my board exams for over a year and a half. And in that time, I basically, I wanted to seek other options. So I didn't necessarily like the way the health care system dealt with it. I mean, that's, I don't want to dive into that. And pharmaceutical companies, we all have our opinions. So I actually work for a pharmaceutical manufacturing company. And as far as what I can say, I just make sure clients are happy and the FDA is happy.

Starting point is 01:44:00 And it's really nice. It's like steady hours, complete opposite of medicine. Yeah. And really great schedule and amazing company. And you make a lot of money. All right, so you okay, here's the, here's the bane. Here's the bane of highly intelligent, challenge driven individuals. Okay, so it's great when you got challenges in front of you and you wanna tackle things and you grind

Starting point is 01:44:24 and you push yourself and that's what gets you going and But you fell in love with that feeling and the problem now is how do you settle into a nice balanced life because it feels boring, right? How do you settle into that? That's a big challenge Tanner so you're gonna have to work on Loving what you're doing now and following in love with the present also loving what you're doing now and following love with the present. Also, if you continue to be in love with the challenge, you're gonna eventually hurt yourself and burn yourself out and you'll find yourself always seeking,

Starting point is 01:44:52 always looking for something. So, without getting too exotereic here, I think a spiritual practice may help you out, I really do, because those are the questions that are answered with those type of practices. Now you can go the God route. That's great. I did that. Or you could do the more, you know, stoicism is a great philosophy that you can look into. But I think that's what's going to help you out with this situation because it sounds to me like

Starting point is 01:45:14 you've gotten everything that you wanted. And now you're not sure. Like, okay, I got everything. How do I keep myself going? How do I keep myself pushing now that I kind of got everything that I want? That's a more of a spiritual question than anything. Are you exercising it all now? Yeah, I mean, like I said, I did, I mean in the email, I went down like this whole slew of workouts. I even did like stuff like the Colorado experiment. I'm sure you guys are kind of crazy. Oh, it was amazing. It actually, it was pretty awesome for me personally. I'm sure you guys are. Oh, yeah, it's kind of crazy. Oh, it was amazing. It actually it was pretty awesome for me personally. I guess I'm like the stereo typical hard gander. I'm 32, but I hit puberty when I was like 29. So it's It was one of those things where you know, I don't know eventually the process just took over and I actually started the game muscle.

Starting point is 01:46:05 And I'm to the point where I'm like, yeah, it'd be nice to look like those little insta-bos, the salphos every now and then, but I mean, I have mobility, I can still sprint, I can throw harder than I did when I was in college. If I injure myself, I'm pretty good at fixing it. But that's actually really fun, by the way. Fixing yourself after never mind.

Starting point is 01:46:28 Anyway, but no, it's not like I hate fitness. I know that it's a process now. So I went down all of, like in a recent podcast, you guys talked about HMB. I loved digging into the old fitness information and finding things. I mean, I take creating every day. I got my mom taking creating every day because Alzheimer's runs in my family. I tell everyone about you guys. Like I, I love finding out new things about it and it's just hard to get excited about it now

Starting point is 01:46:57 because I, that's it right there. That's it right there. That's gonna be your challenge. Your challenge is how are you gonna settle, have a family, enjoy a normal life when you fell in love with the grind and the challenge and the unknown. You're gonna have to figure that out. And I really do think a spiritual practice.

Starting point is 01:47:16 You gotta be careful too. You know what happens is that people in your situation, you self-savita. You self-savita. Yeah, you create challenges when they don't need to be there. When people like you are struck, because at least what I'm hearing, a lot of successful people do that. Yeah, what I'm hearing right now is life is pretty fucking good for you.

Starting point is 01:47:35 And you're pretty damn fit. You work out. There's not a lot that has to change around that. I mean, and don't compare yourself to Sal. First of all, he doesn't look that big in real life. Okay. So don't take the bathroom picks and really try and compare yourself around that. I mean, and don't compare yourself to Sal. First of all, he doesn't look that big in real life. So don't take the bathroom picks and really try and compare yourself to that. A lot of photos, great filters.

Starting point is 01:47:50 You got a lot of photos. A lot of photos. You know, you're gonna take away my bathroom from J.S. Sal. You're never gonna take it. Never. So yeah, so maybe you're finding yourself, you know, we're joking about Sal,

Starting point is 01:48:01 but maybe find yourself, you know, scrolling and comparing yourself to these other people and thinking, oh, maybe I should do that or not, but sounds like you got a pretty good life going for you right now. But yet, you feel like you need to be so challenged. It's like, why? And what happens to people like that,

Starting point is 01:48:15 if they don't find purpose or what they don't do like a spiritual practice, is they tend to self-sabotage. And you create some sort of drama or hurdle in your life, so you have to overcome it. And it's a pattern they and by the way, many people get caught in this and they never grow out of it. They're in their 50s and 60s and they still do this. How many clients did we get like that? Where they have to sign up for a marathon. They have to sign up for travel on. They have to quit their job.

Starting point is 01:48:40 They're on. Okay. Well, you know, you might have the point. The point is it's a burnout cycle. And it's not always finished related. You may self-sabotage your relationship. You may self-sabotage something to do with your work, but you're looking for that struggle because a lot of people, they can't accept that life is so good

Starting point is 01:48:58 and things are going so well for you and celebrate the present. And that's where the spiritual practice, the stoicism, all that one to journal. That's right. All that stuff will help you to be very grateful for where you're currently at. And that, hey, it's okay to be here in present and not always focused on what you need to be doing. Otherwise, what will eventually happen is if you can't find it, you will self-sabotage. And then you'll just keep falling in that cycle. Tanner, because of your age and because your background is in science

Starting point is 01:49:27 and the medical community, I'm sure when I say spiritual practice, you're probably trying not to hurt my feelings, but you wanna roll your eyes, will I? Oh no, I'm a non-denominational Christian MD, that one along really well. But no, the spiritual side, the being grateful, you know, counting your blessings,

Starting point is 01:49:42 I'm from like a super small fountain in Indiana, so I grew up with that route. So I know means am I a huge complainer. Or anything like that. It's just, I used to lace up my chucks, have my pre-workout. I was in Miami for medical school, so I was like, you know, all these guys are clearly on gear,

Starting point is 01:49:57 but I'm gonna make an effort. Yeah. But it's now I'm back in Indiana. I don't know. I don't think you're a complainer at all. I don't think you're a complainer at all. I don't think you're a complainer. I definitely don't think you're a loser. I think what it is is you have,

Starting point is 01:50:12 look, we all have these buckets that we need to fill. And the spiritual bucket can be filled with fitness or challenge or money. It has to, so that's the direction that I would say, look and maybe you understand the value, you grew up with it, but I would look there for some of your answers and you'll probably find them there. Now, as far as fitness is concerned, you're an information junkie.

Starting point is 01:50:36 You love learning new things. So if you want more inspiration, I would say look to the past, look at the workouts of old strong men. Look at non-conventional training. It's always exciting to do shit like that. Kettlebells and Indian clubs, and look at the way Eugene Sandow worked out. Look at the way John Grimick worked out.

Starting point is 01:50:58 Look at the way the Soviets worked out. If you like that kind of stuff, if you really want to experiment, you could try instead of one one hour workout, try three 20 minute workouts in the day. See how that works, you know, those are all day workouts. Like experiment with that kind of stuff, I get that. By the way, I can identify with that.

Starting point is 01:51:15 I love that kind of stuff myself. Have some fun with it. But be careful because you're constantly chasing that. You'll never find it. You'll never get it. You'll never get what you want because it's always, it's elusive and you're not really going to satisfy yourself through that. Yeah, I guess not to take up forever, but I know you guys talk about our gainers a lot, stuff like that and Sal talked about how much

Starting point is 01:51:35 you like to talk about how much he's so rough and how skinny he was and I was like, that's me man, I was not Italian. But like I found a little worse for me, you know, full body split, lower reps, I mean fairly high intensity and it just it started to work. And so now whenever I try other workouts, it kind of goes back to the old burnout thing. I'm like, I know I've tried these before and I know this didn't work as well as the other things too. And sometimes you know, I'll suck it up and do super high reps like my girlfriend and I did maps performance, which is it was great, but it was brutal. And like, dude, I just in the back of my mind, I'm like, I always like to do what I got. I got I got a book for you. I got a book for you, Tanner. Have you read dinosaur training? Oh yeah, dinosaur change is great. Oh, all right. You'll love dinosaur training. Old school. Yeah. Train, like, and based on what you're saying, you'll respond great to it.

Starting point is 01:52:29 Get yourself dinosaur training. Old book, real fun. There's old strength training advice in there. It's actually one of the things that influenced me to create maps and a ball. Like, go check it out. Oh, that would be awesome. And before you guys go, I told my girlfriend I would say this.

Starting point is 01:52:44 I know three is an odd number. So before you guys go, I told my girlfriend I would say this, I know three is an odd number, so if you guys ever need another friend, I'm like, first one to sign up on that list. If there is ever a friend, you guys ever have a friend list? I just want to know, like, put my name in the suggestion box. I just feel like we want to become a quad. Yeah, no problem. And if you ever want somebody to try out new samples of new pharmaceuticals, you can go ahead and send those over to us. We'll give them a try.

Starting point is 01:53:05 I'm not even allowed to tell people what we make. So anyway, but yeah, yeah, sure. Hopefully, hopefully, Tanner, we see you at one of our next live events. We're going to start getting back into the live events. And so hopefully we cross pass in person. Appreciate you following us, man. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for having me. Take it easy. All right, man. You know, you know what this reminds me of? So I'm going to put my friend on blast. So Lane Norton, great guy. Love him. Very honest. Lots of integrity. Rubbs people the wrong way. You could tell that he has to constantly have an enemy to make himself feel motivated. And it's that side view. It's a fuel thing. Yes. And so he does that. And I get it.

Starting point is 01:53:42 I can I understand what that comes for. But if you don't figure that out at some point, oh, you're not going to be in a good position. And that's kind of what I'm getting from Tanner. You know, he's, he's happy, he's content, and he misses the old challenge and drive and grind. Why don't you want to say this to him because I don't know his situation, whatever, but do you have a kid?

Starting point is 01:54:01 Yeah, there's your challenge right there. That's a humongous challenge. You're good boy. Yeah,us challenge. You want some challenge? I wish you would have said that you what you should have said is it's like, hey bro, what do you say he's 32? Yeah, yeah, you have some babies, bro. Yeah, you're 32 right now. Enjoy the next four or five years of no kid because you're when you have one fucking. Your world is about all you right now. That's why it's boring. Yeah, it's not. to. Yeah. Hey, the next call will be, hey guys, I have kids. You know, you have any advice for how I can like just relax

Starting point is 01:54:30 and have those crazy children, you know? Enjoy that. You know, we go through all these different seasons of life, but I do sense that in his voice and the, you know, I was waiting for this like, oh, I'm not progressing or I'm not working out. I thought he was originally asking you, but the guy is still working out.

Starting point is 01:54:47 He's working out. We can see him. He's in good shape. He's got a lot of good things going from. It's like, you got to be careful because what ends up happening is eventually he will create the drama. You're right, dude. It's life to overcome because he needs that.

Starting point is 01:55:00 And I mean, it's to your point with Lane, absolutely lovely, but sometimes I feel like he creates that adversary, so he, it's to your point with Lane, absolutely love Lane, but sometimes I feel like he creates that adversary so he has something to overcome all the time. It's like, just if you would relax, your life would be a lot less stressful, I promise. If you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides.

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