Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1854: When Fasting Hurts Your Gains, the Best Source of Carbs for Strength & Performance, What to Do When Personal Training Clients Aren’t Getting Results & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 9, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: If you have to pick between animal or plant protein, pick an animal protein. (2:52) The guys recap their Cabo family vacation, the All-In Podcast drama, and Sal in Spanish. (7:31) Would the guys consider sending their kids to an out-of-state boarding school? (27:40) Are you digging Sal’s “Nonno” mustache? (39:41) Will fasting increase the androgen receptor’s sensitivity? (42:00) Is ESPN running out of content to promote?! (45:04) The richest self-made women under 35 may surprise you. (48:47) Have you heard of the ‘Crypto Queen’? (50:09) Who the heck pays $1000 a month for a car?! (52:52) #ListenerLive question #1 - Is my morning fasting routine impacting my strength gains? (58:23) #ListenerLive question #2 - What would be the best way to track the progression of my high school athletes'? (1:12:20) #ListenerLive question #3 - When and how do you know it is time to let a client go? (1:29:59) #ListenerLive question #4 - What kind of carbs do you recommend eating in the morning for energy? (1:43:54) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** July Promotion: RGB Bundle or MAPS Suspension 50% off! **Promo code JULY50 at checkout** Mind Pump Live Event at the North Lake Tahoe Spartan Ultra World Championship The Myth of Optimal Protein Intake – Mind Pump Blog Metabolic Evaluation of the Dietary Guidelines’ Ounce Equivalents of Protein Food Sources in Young Adults: A Randomized Controlled Trial  Watch Stranger Things | Netflix Official Site All-In Podcast E84: Markets update, crypto collapse, Russia/Ukraine endgame, state of the podcast Mind Pump Clips – YouTube How To Increase Sensitivity And Density Of The Androgen Receptors? World Chase Tag 5 - Part 2 | Watch ESPN Forbes Names Rihanna Youngest Self-Made Female Billionaire 'Crypto Queen' Ruja Ignatova of Bulgaria added to FBI's 10 most-wanted fugitives list The average car payment in the US climbed to a record $712 a month in June as borrowing costs increase Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MP Holistic Health MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump #1830: Five Steps To Determine Your Ideal Caloric Intake Mind Pump #1630: Ten Ways To Break Through A Plateau Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MindPump Co-Host Justin Andrews Talks High School Football Training w/ Joe D! Mind Pump #907: Cory Schlesinger MAPS Prime Webinar MAPS Prime Pro Webinar HANDGRIP DYNAMOMETER – MIND PUMP STORE The Most Important Skill For Personal Trainers – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Fitness Prime Pro Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jason Calacanis (@JasonCalacanis)  Twitter Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral)  Instagram Cory Schlesinger (@schlesstrength)  Instagram Jason Phillips (@jasonphillipsisnutrition)  Instagram

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or maps suspension with the discount, go to mapsfitinistproducts.com and then use the code July 50, that's July 50, or with no space for the 50% off discount. All right, here comes a show. All right, let's talk about protein. Gram per gram, gram versus gram. Okay, animal protein is more effective at building muscle, at recovery, at satiety. It's more bioavailable to your body. So if you have to pick between plant protein and animal protein, choose animal protein. Okay, now in the context of getting a surplus of protein,

how much does that still matter? Not that much. Yeah, but I did just, but I just read a study though that showed that animal proteins are just utilized by human cells, much higher rates than, or at higher rates, I should say than plant proteins now what you said Adam is real important if your protein intake is really high What does that what do I mean by really high like point eight grams of protein per pound of body weight or a gram of

Protein per pound of body weight Lee doesn't matter if it's plant protein animal protein. You're getting so much protein so many amino acids that it doesn't make that big of a difference. However, how many people eat that much protein per day? Yeah, most don't. Most do not. It's rare that somebody eats that much protein unless they're really focused on it. So for most people, most people who eat the average amount of protein every day,

you wanna go for the animal stuff. It's just more bioavailable and more effective for your body. Plant proteins just, and all the studies, when they compare them against each other, just not in the vegan studies. Yeah, say what? Even in the vegan studies. It's true, it's all of them.

All of them do. And I have this conversation, you know, I'm bringing this up because there was a study that was posted. I belong to all these forums on Facebook, it's kind of a hack that I came up with, like how I can learn about different subjects, nerd groups, in fast ways. That's what I call them.

What are they? Nerd groups. I go on there and I look for groups about specific, trying to be repressed. We're getting arguing all the night. Yeah, check this study out there. That's the face I've been up to.

No, I just observed. It's the leader of this group. I said, let me speak to your leader. It's the leader of this group. I said, let me speak to your leader. Excuse me, I have some questions. Yeah, I'll leave that to you. Make fun of me. I'm sorry.

When I bring your leader. You're real happy. When the camera's turned off, Adam's a H cell. I got five questions. True story. True story. No, but some stuff last. The best content comes from.

No, but here's it. So I belong to these groups. Like, I belong to like technology groups, and groups on medicine, whatever. And so there was a group that I belong to and someone posted this study that showed that animal proteins are just more, that human cells utilize them more effectively and efficiently.

And underneath it, of course, you get the vegan who's like, yeah, but animal sources cause this, that which we can talk about those studies and they're all pretty much garbage. If you eat a healthy diet, balanced diet, seems to be best generally, of course, it's good to have senses. Well, is it because there's sort of, I guess,

I mean, there's plant toxins, all these, there's a lot of things that have been sort of brought to attention from the carnivore caps. Yeah. But really is it just about, you have to break down more things to be able to get to the nutrients versus like the animal. The source is like pretty much ready to go.

Or is it because there's things that inside meat that we still don't even know that are beneficial to the body? Well, okay, I mean, the prevailing theory, and again, there's a just, and so the reason why I like these groups is really smart people that are in them for the whatever the subject is and so you see these debates and discussions. And I mean, look, this is not a secret. Humans evolved as apex predators and in many cases, a majority of our diet was meat.

And given the choice, you know, humans would choose to eat meat over plants. But this is pre-agricultural evolution, before modern agriculture and grocery stores. Like if we throw people in the woods, and they had the choice of eating fish or elk or grabbing berries and random plants that grow, they're gonna pick the animal, right? So humans were apex predators.

We ate a lot of animals, or at least the ones that survived it, and we just co-evolved with that. And so we became better at utilizing those sources of protein. So just gram program, it's just better for you. So unless you're doing a super high protein diet, your main protein sources, of course, if you're against eating animals

and all this stuff for more reasons, it's totally different. But if it doesn't matter to you, go for the animal sources. They're just, let me put it this way. You can eat less animal protein and get the same benefit as eating more plant protein. That's the difference. You'd have to eat more plant protein

equal less animal protein. Now, if they're all high through the roof, one gram per pound of body weight, and it doesn't matter so much. But again, I don't know any, but it eats that way except for people who track and really make a point to do so. Yeah, yeah. What did you guys think of vacationing together?

I never do it again. Never again. No, I was a great time. You stuck with you guys, so I had a lot of, you know what I enjoyed the most? Was hanging out with your guys' kids. I don't get an opportunity to really hang out with the kids.

A good sell time. Yeah, see them hanging out and playing and. No, it was cool. There was some fun moments at Max and Aralius were really cute, hugging each other, playing. And then there was one I told Justin this. So my daughter is the, she's a huge horror film, fanatic, I think I've told you guys.

She's a really dark sense of humor. She likes to really scary shit. She's only, she's only, she's about turn 13, she loves that stuff, Doug's out of Brie is older, she likes it too, and Ethan was like, hey, I'm gonna watch some scary movie, but he's not really into it, more hasn't been. Dude, he got the trial by fire.

Yeah, dude, so. So, first night, they watch The Purge, not really a scary movie, but still kind of stressful. Actually, so Ethan afterwards, I'm like, was it scary? What'd you think? He was like, oh, it was more stressful than scary. So I'm like, okay, that's cool.

Anyway, next night, I walk downstairs, and I'm looking and I'm like, what are you guys watching? Texas chainsaw masker. Okay. Say what happens, right? Oh yeah, you're going to pro status here, huh? So I go in the kitchen and I make in some popcorn because I planned on sitting with them. Anyway, I got caught up in a discussion with Jessica.

So we're in the kitchen for like 25 minutes, right? So 25 minutes later, the kids walk in the kitchen. I'm like, oh, what happened? You guys not watching the movie? Anything goes. As soon as he ripped the old lady's face off and put it on like a mask, I knew that I probably shouldn't watch this. Let's eat over my head.

I was dying. There's another level of scary stuff. Oh, die of laughter. Oh yeah, there's levels, buddy. Yeah. You've heard me, you've heard me actually talk about what my buddies used to do because I was the one who doesn't like scary movies.

So that is actually one of the last mem, so I don't remember what year that, it's the newer chain song I just got. So when the newer one came out, which is still a long time ago. It's still an old movie Yeah, I think we were in high school. Maybe maybe junior college just could be all oh Maybe could you check the date on it that if it's the one I'm thinking of that when it came out I think I described you right there on they're on like they're on some country road. Yeah, right?

It's very that's how it starts it opens up with it just gratuitous Oh, but that was the last movie I recall when I tell you guys my buddies used to do that to me where they were like, let's make out and watch this. And you're calling, I'm like, we're in high school, I think at that time. So we'll see when the date comes up. That's what I was like.

Which movies, Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The original is 1974. No, that was a original. There's one of the 90s. There was one of the 90s late mid to late 90s. I want to say 99, I think. That's a good guess, which would put me as a senior in high school. 2003 is one of them.

Oh, wow. Okay, so you weren't college? Yeah, too. So I definitely get back. You're grown, mate. So I can't back down to my buddies calling me out that I can't watch it, right? So that's where we're at.

We're at it. And that was the last one that I remember that doing that where they would make me watch it just so they could watch my reactions. And that was it after that. Oh yeah. I'm done. Yeah. That's it. I'm looking at anybody bully me into watching these things. It's miserable. Was it really 2003? So yeah. I'm I'm like 19, 19 20 at that point. So what? What? Yeah. I think the last one I was watching in high school at 17 years old and 99. Oh, okay. So that would be right?

So you're at 18, 19 years old. Flushing in here pretty close. Yeah. 20 years old. Yeah, but it was just funny, he was self-aware enough to say, yeah, as soon as he ripped her face off, that's what I knew.

I'm glad he didn't have like super nightmares old, because Everett, he always wants to do whatever his brother's doing. Yeah, and so he, I think he actually started upstairs with them. And then I was like, buddy, I just don't feel like we're ready right now to go to that level. And so I had to figure something out. And so we actually just introduced some stranger things because it was like sort of, I thought it was just an introduction enough into kind of scarier eerie stuff and so we actually started all the way back

from the beginning which is cool but now I'm like I was just on the new season like two episodes in and I gotta go all the way back and like we're only on like you know season two almost finishing that up and well plus stranger things got more horror as it went along. Like in the beginning, it was kind of cool. Yeah, like a slow drip. The last season got was pretty gnarly. I just finished watching it. It's pretty, it's like it harkens back to like the 1980s kind of horror. I love it so much. It's all set in the 80s. It's so much nostalgia and like I rewatching a lot of the old episodes too. You're like, oh yeah, they did such a good job. Yeah, they did.

Well, going back to our vacation, I was most impressed with the fact that we pretty much live with each other here already and work with each other 24, 7. And then we're able to like, you know, I mean, and we were in a house where we weren't leaving. I mean, we pretty much were all there together 24, 7 for a week. And nobody got into it. Nobody scratched each other.

Yeah, why would we get into it? I think I've grown. Come on. People that, spouses. Nobody scratched each other. Yeah, why would we get into it? I'll do it. I'll do it. Come on. People that, spouses that live with each other and see each other, they're never done getting into it. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, and they're married to each other. Love each other.

They're just professionals that avoid each other. Yeah, I thought that we did a really good job of like, I mean, we shut down. That was the most shut down I have personally been in a really, really long time. Like, normally takes me about 48 hours to like decompress and like I'm technically in vacation. I was in vacation mode within the first 45 minutes.

Dude, he had me a pinnacle on us sitting up by the pool. Dude, we are drinking caronas in the car. Yeah, that's right. I was even before that, right? How's the rules work over there? It's not understand. So you get in the car.

Apparently, that's okay. Dude picks you up and he's got a cooler with beer. Yeah. He throws beers in the back. Here you go guys. I'm like, what? It's great. I don't know. I just heard that. Yeah, there's different rules in Mexico. The pharmacy in Mexico. This was great. I went in like five different pharmacies because I cannot believe the shit that you could buy over the counter in Mexico. You could buy anything. Yeah.

Anything over the counter. Advertised. Pretty much. You want muscle relaxant? You want painkillers? You want opiates? You want them? I'm like, what the hell? yeah, it's all over the counter I mean that has to be big business for them because it's on almost every quarter Sure, you see oh yeah, you see you see a pharmacy and then you see one two stores down another one It's like god damn that's super competitive you guys have there's this one lady on the street trying to sell stuff And choose like you want big of boners stuff and she was like, you want big of boners? Wow.

I'm like, whoa, lady, I got kids. Like, you need to change your approach. But hey, be me over there real quick. But also, your wife's like, you're $20. What's it gonna get me? Yeah, basically. Around the quarter? Hey, come here.

Yes, give me the boner pill for my life. No, I got dark and I just kind of got more freckly. Yeah, you did all right. You got colorized. You got colorized. I push of got more freckly. Yeah, you did a right. You actually did a right. You got color. I actually, I pushed the limits because I was trying. You're trying to compete with me. I can't do it.

I was focused on breed, to be honest with you. I was actually trying to catch a breed as far as I was really going. You said your limits of the course. I did. I was like, I wasn't even thinking about you. I was thinking about how I'm gonna get breed. And then she went out there and read her book out

on the beach one day and it was like, that was toast. Like I'm not catching breamed. And then she went out there and read her book out on the beach one day and it was like, that was toast. Like I'm not catching her now for sure. But I actually, so I now, as a kid, which I think you are, I think you're still like this. Do you not have to use sunscreen at all? I do for the first day or two if I stay out of it. Okay, so.

That's what I don't have to do. So when I was a kid, I none. Like none, it could be out in the sun all day long. And I just got darker, darker, darker, darker, darker. I never got sunburned or anything. As I got into my 20s, another weird thing that changed for me was I could get sunburned or I would actually get these like,

I get these like sun blotches or like rash, almost like rashes. So I don't really get like a redburn. Do you think it's this because you're not in the sun a lot anymore? When you're kid, you always look. Totally. I think my body, because then I go into these fluorescent lights

working in the gym and it's free. Then I go, BAP, thinking I can still handle the sun the way I did and then my body goes no you can't So anyways, I have to now wear Sun tan lotion and but I was still like pushing the limits on how long I was out there for and by about day four So that's why you saw the last day I was like in the shade because I was like god damn it like I went too hard and it got all ratcheted But you know what I used, and I don't know if I'm supposed to or not,

but I used, I had my caldera with me. And so I rubbed that on there, and it's sure shit felt and looked better the next day. Yeah, I don't know, there's anything in there. Oh, really? Yeah, anti-inflammatory, and it's got compounds into that help with damage, with skin damage. So, and the studies they deal with caldera,

you see reduction in fine lines, sun spots, healthier skin because of that. Yeah, I was crazy because I come out and I was all oiled up. She's like, how's that gonna help you? You're gonna attract all the sun. No, no, I said, I'm not, it's the Caldera. I try to put it down. And it did. I mean, I definitely, I felt how dry my skin was too and I felt like it soaked it all up. I was real dry. Yeah, I was like, I actually put it on my heels because they're like all cracked at that point. And I was like, oh, it hurts the walk.

What's happening? Of course, I just never even consider I have dry skin. I'll tell you the one thing that I'm glad I skipped out on was the fishing trip that you guys want. Oh, you guys knew that show. Oh, maybe that's why. Jinx said it. Yeah, dude.

What? That is the first fishing trip that I've done, like one of the, like what you pay for, right? So I've done fishing trips before, I caught no fish. But one of those, we did take it out on the boat. Like I've done that quite a few times now. And every time it's been like super successful. And we always come back with a bunch of fish.

So the theory, okay, the idea in my head was actually like trying to save us money. It's like, you know, and be fun, right? Take the boys out fishing, everyone get to experience it together, and then we catch all this fish, and then we're gonna have somebody prepare it for us all week, and so we wouldn't have to spend so much on groceries. That was the thought.

No, dude, I got a text from my son, because he went with you guys, and he's like, I'm like, hey, how you doing out there? Is I'm laying down? I'm so seasickly. Oh crap. Because it was choppy. It was horrible.

The whole month? The whole month? Doug, you peed with the bunch, right? Yeah, three times. I'm so seasickly. Oh crap because it was choppy those horrible Doug you phew the bunch yeah three times and not just one time I like three or four times each time I just power so you did three sets of like ten reps. Yeah, exactly Basically power vomit. It was like over the side of the boat. Oh, yeah I just took my head over the work if you've ever had seasickness It's the worst because it's so exhausting. Because all your senses are fighting or whatever. So don't recover. No, you're ruined for like a day or two.

I've been ruined for two days before from extreme motion sickness. Well, you're super sensitive to this. You can't even sit in the back seat of a car, like a little kid. I'm gonna sit in the front. I need to see the window. This is why like fishermen are so like superstitious.

You know? Yeah. Anything goes wrong, all of a sudden, they'll just look around and what's the point. Well, I knew it was a bad idea when we got to the place, and the guy tells me that the last three days, no boats had caught in the sea. We should have listened to that guy.

But it was already too late. They already had our money at that point. That's true. So what are the kinds of fish you can catch out there? El Dorado, which is basically Mahi Mahi. Same thing. They call it all El Dorado there. It's it was Stripe Marlin and I forget what other type of Marlin season. So that would be it was like a That's why it was so exciting was I'm hoping for that June and July are prime months for the Marlin out there,

which every time I've gone, I've gone towards the winter time. And in the winter time, that's when El Dorado is like, everyone's catching El Dorado like crazy. But that's the better tasting fish. So, but the trophy fish would have been the... Yeah, would have been the Marlin. Well, I'll tell you the best meal I had out there was the last day.

The last day we were there, so you guys weren't there, right? So we went downtown because we had to check out and we had some time before we went to the airport. And the driver, we asked him, what's a good taco place? And he gives us the name, I can't remember the name of the place. He gives us the name of some place. So we said, okay, we're gonna eat there for lunch. So we're hanging out and then it was time to go eat lunch.

So we're walking to find it and it's a, it's a hole in the wall. Taco place. Like a goose. It was a little, it's's a hole in the wall. Yeah, Taco place. Taco goose It was a little US. Yeah, like cash only or whatever no AC like there's a fan The place was like a dirt. Yeah, yeah, and we're supposed it's hot and everything I'm like, oh man, of course the kids are like I want to air couldn't know whatever dude the tacos were fire Yeah, he brought those things out and I was like this is the best tacos. I wish I remember it all I know Courtney

Made a made at least written that wrote down one right? Yeah, we have a couple that Tom actually researched all the before the last time that we went all of us went to Cabo Like all the hole in the wall places and we like went round every day We went to one or two of them and they were all fire. I know she brought us back to one of the ones. Yeah, that's one of them. There were a couple and I don't know if it was the one we, I don't think it was the one we went to, that was one of my favorites that Tom took us to,

but I wonder if it's one of the same ones. Cause it was definitely a shithole. Yeah, they all were. The best ones were the ones that looked like, oh my god, that was a good one. By the way, it's like that here in San Jose too. Yeah, the best taco places in San Jose. That's the ones that look like.

It's the same. It's the same. Yes, the best in San Jose. The ones that look like. It's the best taco. It's the best. Yes. The best, some of the best, I've had tacos that is someone's trunk out of the car. It's one of God's. I am not joking. You got authentic.

It was so good. I'm probably not saying the word, you just use. Oh, he's a real tick. If it came out of the truck. You know what, you know, what made me think about us and like still be known to get no one actually fighting, there was no, there was no riffs at all. It was really an incredible vacation.

So that when I came back, I watched the all in podcast as back to their regular recording of the forum. I don't know if you watched it up, but there was a bunch of controversy. Yeah, one of the, there was a J.K.L. wanted more a greater percentage of the podcast. Yeah, so the debated back and forth.

And I just, I find it really interesting. They're all multi, I mean, you have a hundred millionaire. You have someone who's worth like 500 million. I mean, I think Jay Cal is like the the Titus and he's still worth tens of millions of dollars. They're all worth a lot of money. And they're swabbling over like literally percent percent. But here's the learning, here's the learning part.

That's true, but they're all shrewd business people, but they all got along and they did it and they dropped it. Yeah, see a lot of people will get that, let that get in the way and then, you know, screw you, I'm not gonna be a real one. It's also early and it's very small in the business too. The fact that that has happened already is crazy to me. I know, I just highlight again, I think that we talked about, I was just just, my uncle and aunt came and visited me this weekend and he was asking all kind of,

I haven't seen them in a long time and he was getting all caught up on the business. And the number one thing that my family or friends or people that I tell the story about how this all started and that is the four owner thing. Everybody always trips out about that. Wait, wait, you guys are equal, all equal, and what are the positions and how does that work? And like, and you guys, you haven't, you haven't fought over all this money and done, it's like, no, it hasn't been that way.

Everybody is, well, who, I mean, there's gotta be somebody who does more of the work or know this, like, that's what everybody, like, comes down to, which, to me, that's what that highlighted. It's like, no doubt that J. Cal and that situation in all in, like he organizes the podcast, he orders some it, so rightfully so, he probably,

but I think back to all the ups and downs and things that we've done over the last seven, eight years, and I think there's a time at every point in this business where somebody can make the case that they're doing more work than everybody else. Yeah, and also, there's a time at every point in this business where somebody can make the case that they're doing more work than everybody else. Yeah, and also, there's a time when Sal 100% was buried in his book, writing for eight hours, eight hours a day,

or researching something that with the rest of us were at home probably not doing anything. Or there's definitely been plenty of times where Doug is up till two in the morning trying to get accounting stuff together. So that's right. There's definitely been times when, I mean, Justin just went through a hell of a shit show

the last month and a half of all the push that we did with all the programming and launches that we did and revamping and doing more video shoots. Like, yeah, so there's times where everybody, I think, feels like they probably, I've watched enough, love those, yeah, it's like true Hollywood stories to know and not to let you go.

Hey, how many bands have been destroyed because lead singer's head gets too big or everybody is jealous of them or yeah, or they're, they're lead singer just like, you know, takes to meet drugs. Yeah. Yeah. We don't take that many. I was impressed to that. I, I, I, to your point about them still being able to like, ah, we all love each other and

still move forward because, uh, uh because Jason Calcannis was making the point that, I mean, I couldn't imagine if I was actually telling one of you that you're replaceable. Yeah, he was saying that at one point. Yeah, because they had, so check this out, okay. And remember when we did this? Remember when we had times where we subbed out and the only two guys did the show way, way back when he was, he was using the numbers on, hey, when we had so and so on the show and

you weren't here here our numbers were up So he was like literally making the dude feel Joke about yeah, that would be a funny job, but he was like serious about it Wow, so it's amazing that didn't cause more to do so that I got to tell this story So this is funny. So when we're there There's there are also people in the house that were house that we're working in the house, right? So the cleaners are people preparing food and stuff. And one of the guys there, Alan, is his name,

so give him a shout out, real nice guy. He's like, what do you guys do? You know, and he's spoke English pretty well. And I say, oh, we have a fitness podcast, and we work in health, and whatever. And so he's asking me questions, and he's like, you know, me and my friend have a debate is green juice healthier or not.

So we got this whole discussion about whether or not green juice is healthy. And I was telling him, you know, I told him about organifi, obviously, because we worked with them and I said, you know, if you don't eat enough vegetables, then it's good. If you do eat enough vegetables,

vegetables, you know, whole foods always the best. It's always better than supplements. But if you miss some like a lot of people, then the green juice powder, like the one from Organifi is gonna be really good. So we got that conversation. So that was day one, right? Anyway, like two days later, he comes up to me and he goes,

Sal, you wanna know what's crazy? I said what? And he plays a video of me. Yeah. And so it's that clip, that one clip. That same clip that keeps going on. The man who loves the journey, one, right? That I'm so sick of seeing, because it's that clip, that one clip. Same clip that he's gonna want. The man who loves the journey one, right? That I'm so, now I'm so sick of seeing

because it's been shared with him. And I know, in the one that Jessica met, my wife, she's like, of all the things you say, that's the dumbest one, that's the one that's gonna share. My goodness, he has the dumbest one. Anyway, so he's showing me the clip and he goes, He goes, my friend sent this to me and said, you need to listen to this is super motivating.

Not knowing that he was working with us. Yeah, yeah. He was in the house with us. So he's showing, and it's my, it's, I'm speaking, but it's subtitled in Spanish. So apparently there's clips out there of shit that we're saying. Oh, it's hilarious.

subtitled in Spanish. The best was the super cool. Remember the joke with the week, the joke of the week after that was that we're gonna be walking out in Cabo and someone's gonna be like, oh man, without the journey man. Can you sign my shirt? Well, run right past Justin.

Yeah, journey man. Journey man. Make you take picture of me and man with journey. Yeah, I'll do. Yeah, no problem. But, you know, it did make me think, you know, that market is really valuable market and they're like five years behind. Yeah, you remember when we first started we did uh that one girls radio show. Yeah.

I can't remember her name or the radio station. It was L.A. right? It was L.A. Was it was it was it was it was a part of telomundo's? Yeah. Telmundo was it? It was uh. Univision. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. And she was saying that. She was saying how desperate. Well obesity in Latin America is exploded Okay is explode Mexico in particular need a lot of help and they're very interested in health and fitness Yeah, and a lot of the information they're getting is like 10 years behind yep, so I mean I think it would be smart for us to have something

That maybe the clips like so we have a mind pump a clips channel a lot of people know this on YouTube Oh, how do you brought that up because like short clips of us saying things I think it would be smart to have some of those you know in subtitles Yeah, totally back to the green juice I could see the skepticism though because any podcast you listen to they have like some kind of green juice attached There's lots of like you know brands out there. I'm not gonna throw too much shade But there's not a whole lot of high high quality versions versions of it out there, so you gotta be kind of careful with what you're out there by just like any other supplement.

Yeah, how many people just like mo some grass and then throw it in? I mean, we're just shaming through. Yeah, so much stuff. Yeah, green high sea. So what were you gonna say about the clip clips? No, I'm just glad you brought it up because we've had so many people that thought,

there's people that think that we got rid of it, right? Cause we used to put the clips on the same channel as the podcast channel, and then people thought that we just stopped doing that. And there's a lot, I actually know a lot of people that don't listen to the whole show, and they actually like it in the little stuff. They're easy to share in the show too.

So it's mind-pum clips, you can give the name of it. On YouTube. So I do have something that I want to ask you guys that came up. So today we have live callers and we had this this girl that's working for a high school that gets like these kids recruited kids ready for D1 and

Justin and I were both like man, that would be so cool. I love our kids to go to that school or what about that and got me to thinking question that I wanted to ask you guys because I know we also have a mutual friend who I believe did do this with their kids or he did it one of the other can't remember Would you guys consider sending your kids off for high school to another state to like a school like high school? Yeah, no, I wouldn't I wouldn't do the one of those boarding school I have a friend that's that's doing that. Yeah, yeah, same guy probably yeah That's I think this kid off to school. Yes. No, I don't, you know, why? Because now they're not just teaching your kid the raising your seat. You have a snap judgment note of that. I don't have a

snap note. Yeah, I know. It have to depend for me. Like the, I guess like them approaching me with the idea, obviously, if it's like one of my kids was like really motivated to do that. And like I saw a lot of like talent potential in that direction. And like they're arguing with me a good case for it. And like you saw a lot of like talent potential in that direction and like they're arguing with me a good case for it and like you saw the track record of all the students that then resulted in like the sounds like no way. Yeah, like obviously it would kill me inside to be away from my kid. Me too. Me too. It's not just that but those are formidable years. You're talking about 13, 14 and up. Are you talking about high school?

Yeah, high school. So how old are you in your freshman? Yes, 14, 15. Okay, so 15 to 18. You're asking those people not just to teach your kid, but to raise your kid. Not that they're partially teaching. Okay, get you the argument that. So I'm going to challenge that.

I care about playing Devon's game. So if they come back for the summer, I mean, that doesn't play any factor. Okay, two months out of the game. Well, I mean, here's the deal. like, you're a kid's high school is racing your kid right now. Anyway, not the same. I mean, my kids still come every day. Yeah, but let's be honest with yourself, how many days out of the week do you actually sit down and then break down what he learned today and then challenge it or

agree with their work? It's not just that's about being around bringing around your house. I'm with Justin. So I knew this would create a good discussion between us because we would all see eye to eye on it because I win with you, if might, let's say, and this would matter, right? I would never just send my kid to a boarding school. No, I would, yeah. I'm not trying to, but if I had a son or a daughter.

I was sent him to Xavier School for the gifted. Exactly. I would send him to the ex-man. I would send him to the ex-man school. If my kid was a mutant, that would just say, I can't handle this. He keeps sending the house on fire. No, go to this school. If my son or daughter exhibited a real talent, whether that be in music or that be in sports, or something like that, and there was a school, like the one we were talking to with this girl,

that had an extremely like strong program, and they have a great pathway for them to potentially become pros. Well, I don't trust anybody when my kids 24 hours a day, except for people I really, really fucking cared. Well, of course, it's my kids. I mean, look, okay. Yeah, but to that point, dude, it just because they're in the same town as you

doesn't make that any more less scary. Yes it does. That's scary. Just they're with me. I can keep my finger on the pulse. I can see what's going on. Be a better helicopter dad. You take, yeah. I mean, look, I didn't have to be about helicopter. It's that they're with me. I can keep my finger on the pulse. I can see what's going on. It'd be a better helicopter death. You take, yeah, I mean, look, I didn't have to be

about helicopter. It's that they're there. You can watch them, like, you're gonna send your kid off, find their talented. Let's say they want to play music and they want to be, you know, classically trained pianist. So they go to this gifted musical school and they're out of the state.

They're somewhere else. You're not there all the time to keep your finger up. Maybe the pressure's too high. Maybe they're trying to impress you and they, you know, it's, how are you gonna know? How are you gonna know what's going on? Hey son, how are you doing? How's it going?

You can call them every day for an hour. I don't know. Yeah, honestly, it's a completely individual thing. Like if I saw a lot of like real potential and like they were in a setting where it's gonna foster the growth of their success. Like I would feel like I was robbing them of that opportunity. I think you still get that opportunity.

Imagine I'm hard at would be to say no thing. You really wanted to do that. Like I definitely wouldn't send my kid off because I think this is a better education and that's like that's me imposing my thing on them. But if my son or daughter, we went there, we toured this one, he's like, dad, I, I, can I come here?

And he really wanted to go there. And it was all those great things. I'd have a really hard time telling him, I would convince you guys not to. No way, let me do that. It's a tough one, because I'm, where you at, Doug? I'm pretty torn on this one.

When do you let the youngling fly out from the nest? Of course, the non-athletic, right? I think, I think, I think college isic, right? I think one with the age and your preference. No, I think college is good. I think those young mid-teen ages, those mid-teen, and up, come on, man. Who knows? You don't know what's going on over there.

You don't know the kids. I feel like I went with junior high, a hundred percent. There's gotta make school a little more, like, you know the kids they're with, who they're sleeping with, come on. You don't know that with school, you don't know that. You don't know that with school, You don't know that with school.

Well, you know more. Again, you'd have to you'd have to vent it out like definitely, right? And you'd have to like see the track record. You meet all the teachers like you do your homework. You know, I just send it them off. Kyle, you let him go or you don't let him go. You let him go or don't let him go.

Hey, when I was in high school, I had a thing I wanted to, I don't know if it was the best fun. Yeah, so he agrees with me. That's what you got out of that. You're my TV. You know, you know, you know, like, have you seen these, find me one kid that's fucking normal that at 15 years old goes and goes hardcore in some kind of sport or endeavor. Yeah, they become a star, maybe track athlete or amazing golfer, but they're

all messed up, dude. Look at, look at child celebrities, like with all that talent. That's a big generation. Well, okay, find me some that turned out freaking amazing. Like, I mean, I turned out more than one balance. You don't have it in front of us. Look at what's his name, Tiger Woods, greatest golfer of all time. He was, he got, since he was a kid. Come on. You know, that's different. That was then hammering him and not giving him, yeah.

That's what you're asking for. No, you're lumping a lot of things into one conversation here. That's a different conversation. Like that's a dad who was obsessive from the kid being three years old all the way. We didn't have when he sent your kid to a school like that. They're obsessive. Yeah, he's exactly the kids like that would be that would be 10 year old's ass for all kinds of crazy shit. You don't mean to say yes. Well, you're right. You're right. And there's a lot of things I'd probably say no to, but that is a situation where it could potentially better him and move him forward in a pursuit that he IFC passion in him about. And I want to help foster someone close by.

So that would do. And and and and honestly like, well, I mean, if that were it's out. I mean, yeah, if there was that perfect situation, but I mean, even that girl with that school, like, I don't know any schools, any, any high schools that are doing that for the basketball players right now. And they have that kind of record where they're sitting. How much do you want to bet?

How much, well, I don't wanna say, I bet you a lot of the kids that go to the, I bet you there's a good percentage of kids that go to the schools that get recruited for sports, where it is a clearly better option, because maybe they're growing up in their underprivileged, maybe it's a single parent, they get recognized because they play really good sports.

And mom is like, I can barely afford to support you. I'm working by myself. You go to this school with all these kids that are not doing so great. Yes, I'll send you over there. Now, if you got, you know, my kids have a great house, we have good environment, good family, everybody's taking care of it, whatever good.

Like, what's the benefit? I don't see a huge benefit to going somewhere like, now if I was struggling and I'm like, oh my God, I, come on, you know that, I mean, that's like comparing the, why you have your kid in a private school versus having your kid in a public school, right? I'm not saying the same thing.

I'm the same way. No, it's just, but yeah, it's to the point of the argument you're making right there, I don't see the benefit. Yes you do, you see the benefit of putting them in an organized school where the relationships that he's going to make is going to benefit potentially his future.

The same thing would apply by social media. I think it's worth it. The same thing would apply by social media. I think it's worth it. I just don't think it's worth it. What do you think Doug? You're touring, but I want to hear what you think. Yeah, so I feel like obviously if you really want

to improve their career prospects, having them go away is the ideal thing. However, from the standpoint of development, relationships, and modeling, you know, behavior such as apparent can provide, I feel definitely having them close by is best. For example, Brianna and I, a while back, I was really immersed in my work all the time and I wasn't really given her the attention I needed and I could see our relationship slipping apart and she was kind of falling into the wrong crowds and doing some things I didn't think was a great

idea. And then I really started to dedicate my time to spending time with her and then on the weekends we go do something we'd spend time together and that's made a world of difference. And our relationship is a lot better, but it's also spilled over to other parts of her life. She's made better choices with friends and things like that. So I've seen kids go off to boarding school

and just become total wild. Yeah, I'm not a boring school. And also take his perspective. Well, they're all boarding schools. If they. Yeah, I'm not a boring school. And also take his perspective. Well, they're all boarding schools. If they're sleeping there, it's a boring school. Take, yeah, but you mean sending them off to like a boarding school as a parent versus them choosing to go to the school because they want to pursue

a specific sport or talent, right? You know what the problem is? And also remember where he's coming from right now is that like you noticed behaviors that you didn't like in her, you recognize things that you weren't doing as a parent. Therefore, it was something that you, I'm talking about a kid who is so passionate about this sport

and I'm so proud of him as a father that he's into this. And he and I are touring schools, and this school offers this opportunity, and it's gonna break my heart to let my son, which my first born son go over there, and I'm out without him for four years at this school. It would tear me up every night, every night it would tear me up. But if he wanted it that bad and he is showing me

that he's that serious about this, I would have to support it. You know what the problem is, is that a lot of people value, they think that success in sports or business or money is happiness and is everything. It's not. I'd rather have a kid be-

Bro, you're not a flyer. You're not a flyer. You're not a flyer. You're not a flyer. You're not a flyer. You're not a flyer. You're not a flyer. You're not a flyer. I'd rather have a kid be bro your middle class argument ball is on its face by what I just said. He's passionate about this is his passion. He lives in briefs basketball. It's what all he thinks about he might sleep so there's a lot of nobody's losing

by not being with his family. And by being an asshole life to be with his family. I mean, there's no, after that, it's a lot harder. After that, then it's I don't disagree with that. I mean, I mean, sure, it doesn't get any easier or whatever like that. But I mean, that's, sure it doesn't get any easier or whatever that. But I mean, that's to say that for fit if you send your kids to see that.

I can see that. No, I knew this. Max stays here. I was like, well, we were doing that. When we were doing the live, I'm like, this is a highly unlikely scenario, but I'm gonna keep going. Yeah, well, I mean,

when we were doing the live, and the girls, I was cool. I could see both Justin and I. I can see, I'm like, Justin and I can see our eyes going, man that'd be so cool. It's in my kid I would have loved this personally for me Me too, I would have loved it and I would have taken advantage of it me too, and I would not have regret it

And let me tell you my Titer today That's different Yes, you're right. It's different. I like living home That's different. But why? What do you mean? That's it. Yes, you're right.

It's different. You're like living home. Exactly. You're like, I want to get out. I should done a long time ago. So, I mean, and that's a good point. Okay. And that's a very good point, right?

Justin, I didn't like it home. We would have loved that. That would have back to you. And our kids love us at home. So it's a different scenario. So it will be a different scenario. And so it would be a very hard right. I hope that I provide a home for my son that it would be very challenging for him to even want that right I could never

see your your kid wanting that yeah I think your kids want to be home they want to be near you that bad that I don't think he would come to you in fact you're going through that process right now touring colleges I wouldn't be surprised if your kid makes a decision he's smart enough to get into almost anywhere in the country closer he will pick something I think that is closer because he doesn't want to be too far from his dad. Well, see, I mean, he's older too, though, right? He's he's out of that age. We're talking 15, 16, like he'll be 18, 19. There's a big difference. There's a big difference between

18, 19 or only 15 year old. Sure. Yeah. You know, that's huge. I mean, you put me, I mean, I don't know. I guess, look, and let me tell you, I'm like way, I'm way more progressive than the way I grew up in my family. you don't move out until you're married. I don't care if you're 40. You live the history. You think I'm joking? No, I know. I'm culture living with a culture thing.

Which hints is why you're so that way, bro. Yeah, exactly. My parents is, see you later. Yeah, speaking of which, right, so I go, my grandparents, whatever my my parents house last night I went over there real quick to go visit with them and you know We haven't had Vicki here in a little while she does our beers and so my beard was all big

Oh, yeah, I was supposed to bring up your mustache. Oh, I got the story. It's okay So I walk in and my grandfather right away gives me shit because my beard was all scrapped You know you go sovathod you know I love right? And I know he's gonna say some shit. So yeah, I know that. No, no, he goes, but you look terrible. You need to cut your beer. It's too long. My grandma's like, you look old.

So it's okay. So I went home, so we're gonna go back for dinner. So I went home and I trimmed everything except for the mustache. So I told Jessica, I said, watch my grandfather. I'm gonna come and look at Luigi and see if my grandpa likes it. Hey, watch him. It's a lie. I thought for sure my grandfather would think it was like throw fit, you know. It's gonna be funny.

So I walk in and my grandparents are like, oh my God, it's a beautiful. I love it. It looks so good. Give me all this complex, not confused. You can ask a few. You're like Luigi, that's why bro,. You're like a musketeer. You got the little cash in here. And then Jessica, she said his handsome-ish.

That's what she said. So I said all right. We have the counter-monic crystal. I mean, I'd prefer that your mustache has the most dark hair still, I see. That's why I kept it. Everything else is white. This is all white, you can see the guts of dark hair.

I have like three or four whites going on there. Yeah. I don't know, maybe we should go the full, like, Mastasio group here. This is all white you can get some dark hair like four whites going on there. Yeah Maybe we should go the full like Mastasio group here. Oh, I was actually considered remember when Adam grew. Yeah, I rock my camera one Yeah, I look so bad though. I look so bad Yeah, I feel like I need to see I wasn't in great shit I need to be in like great shape and then have that you need to have kind of like if you're gonna have like you're in great shape Right now, so you could do like stupid shape with your face. When you do stupid shape with your face

and you're not in good shape, it just doesn't look good. And it reminds me of it. It looks like you don't get, it's heavy. It's like you don't care, but obviously you care, right? You see, I care all over you. Every once in a while funny like facial hair looks, like can kinda look cool, like a bartender. Yeah, that's a little easier right there.

Why do you gotta give me Luigi, not Mario. I know, it's just too lazy to give you a little off. I there. Why do you give me Luigi, not Mario? I know, it's too much like Luigi, you know that thing. Why are you shorter and fatter, say? That's so, you should be happy. Most racists cartoon of all time, I swear to God. Mario, right. Anyway, I got confused. I'm like, I don't know, maybe it looks good,

maybe it does. So I think I'm gonna get it. Let the audience decide. I got a study I want to bring up with you guys, kind of cool. So Adam, you know how we've observed and talked about on the show how after a prolonged period of cutting or dieting, or at least where the main goal is to get lean, especially like when you do a show and you get shredded. That post shredded period where you start to bump your calories up, start working out, you just feel, you're amazing. You build muscle like never before. Your body just anabolic, right? Yes. Well, I just read a study that shows that fasting

increases angiogen receptor sensitivity. So the angiogen receptor is what your your anabolic hormone testosterone attached to. Going through a period of fasting and I'm assuming cutting calories does this as well, right? Makes them more sensitive. That's why you feel this muscle building boost when you go in a cut and then go back on a bulk. And this is why when someone's bulking, I always recommend a little short periods of cuts in between, because I noticed for myself,

I seem to build better as a real, and it's the study shows that. Oh wow, that's fascinating. I have said that I have felt more anabolic after a show like that than I have from taking any animal. Isn't that crazy That's how powerful that feeling is it's what it does have a lot to do with how long of a period I had been you know in a cut for And to your point about fasting that is true because you're fasting mimicking diet They've already shown is is gives all the same benefits as somebody who fast right so if you did like the

they've already shown is gives all the same benefits as somebody who fast, right? So if you did like the... Yeah, if you just go on low calorie. Yeah, so and you're low calorie for a very long period of time, and then you finally reintroduce all these calories and that that work, those next three to five workouts, I'd say after a show, after I've loaded the calories,

like non-stop is the most amazing of it. Yeah, so I guess the takeaway is for people who are trying to bulk and build lean body mass. It's a good idea, and we've talked about this before. It's a good idea to interrupt your bulk with some short periods of cuts. So let's say you do three weeks of bulking, three days of cutting, three weeks of bulking,

three days of biological benefits, also psychological, right? Yes, because then too, it's like, it gets really, it's quite a gets really it's it's quite a choice but not only just keep stuffing your face that's a really good point to Justin as far there's also the psychological side of actually just being filled back up that it comes into that workout so not only do you feel anabolic for the science that you're that you're saying to them there's also the psychological part of being fed your muscle belly's filling all up and then the pump is so amazing. It's a feeling that is hard for me to describe because it's like no other workout or

liking those. And it is like no other steroid I've even taken. I've taken steroids before where I've talked about with you guys, I don't know if we have on air, but I remember taking deball for the first time and then it was like, oh my God, I just muscle packed on me. Every time I did shoulders, I was adding like 10 pounds to my shoulder press, every workout. It was just insane the way I felt.

Even that doesn't compare to... Isn't it wild? Yeah, that was super wild. That workout the week. And anybody who's competed probably can relate to this because they've been here before where they have depleted themselves for that long and that workout week afterwards just feels so.

Have you guys seen the crazy stupid like sports they're trying to promote now and like ESPN 2 like I feel like I feel like they just need content. Some reason they do know dude so okay so first of all it was like 4th July all that so they have their normal like Nathan's hot dog getting contest Adam sent something over with this guy. Oh yeah guy yeah he Yeah, he like gets in front of joy chest Nutt is like trying to promote some stupid thing. Oh, he put a headlock headlock some I guess you had a injured leg too

Oh, that's after he to shit ton of hot dogs too dude. Yeah, the guy's a savage, but But so I was I was at this sandwich place and we were eating with the family and there was all these TVs on and there was another one going on simultaneously that was it was called World I forget it was like world tag championships. Oh world chase tag world chase tag. Thank you. What yeah, and so It had all these different levels of platforms and like weird like railings and things and so you get one person versus the other and so the guy takes off The other guy tries to catch him to tag him and has to like jump through all these things and then it's crazy climb over the top and like Lunge out and try and get it's like it's like a jack and a modium. Yeah, it's just like jack a chance

Like they're doing crazy shit to try and catch each other. It's actually kind of cool. Yeah doing crazy shit to try and catch each other. It's actually kind of cool. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I didn't know that was a sport. Okay, so the objective is, and I'm assuming that the guy who's running gets a little bit of a head start. Yeah, I had the other guy.

I think they end up on either side on both sides of the platform. So they take off and then one guy should fit in. And I'm assuming they have to stay on this course or traps, we can't go all over. So it's like a square course, right? So there's all these different obstacles within this square.

And so he's just trying to evade the other guy through all these different maze directions of parkouring that he can get through to avoid getting caught. And then there's like a timeline. I watched it for, I watched some of that for 10 minutes or so gets boring. Yeah, more or less common for the guy to get caught.

Oh, I don't remember. Yeah, that's a good question. It depends on the team. I think everybody gets caught. It's kind of 50-50 from what I always watch. Well, a lot of to get caught. Oh, I don't remember. Yeah, that's a good question. It depends on the team. I think everybody gets caught. It's kind of 50-50 from what I always watch. Well, a lot of people get caught. I would think you would give it to, if it's one on one, one on one.

Cause you got to get as hard. Well, here's the thing, when you're a kid and you play taggy, it's all you versus like five people. So if you miss this guy, then you're going all the sudden to this guy. It's like, you guys have a really good, like, movement fluency, right?

Like, you know how to like just all of a sudden make a cut that you can see that on the field too, or somebody avoids like a collision because they just have that foresight. And so some guys were really good at some guys weren't quite like. Also anticipating their position, like, like,

yeah, like, juggling up the bars and like, like funneling him into the corner. But yeah, so then there's this other one that came on off of that. That was like, it was like the world champion. It was like a place setting, like for like table, like fine dining, like place setting. I was like, what? Really? Like is this where we're at now?

Like we're watching people like be judged on like how tight their place setting is and what competition would You can invent any competition what competition would you be the world champion if there was a competition? That's the world champion I'm not very talented a lot of stuff to I mean, I appreciate a lot of things. What do you mean? How about that like the most average? The guy who's the average, that's what it would be like 30 different sports pretty good at every

Yeah, not great. No, yeah, but not terrible top 15 everything. Yeah, the world. It's like the the crossfit of everything Yeah, that's probably you have something you can win I don't say that's reverse curls I mean I'm just I'm really good. She's 10 times when there's a sport or a thing for everything So I feel like you would you would have found it. Oh, I got just, I'm really good at that. She's 10. We did it in a time where there's a support or a thing for everything. So I feel like you would have found it. Oh, I got a trivia question for you guys. Do you guys know who the richest self-made women, I'm gonna look it up.

I have it written down. The richest self-made women under the age of 35 are. Oh, under 35. Under 35. You guys wanna guess who number one is? The richest. No, one of the cardations. Self-made woman under 35.

One of the cardations. No. No. It's like, Yon. Oh, Yon. One point four billionians. No. No. No. It's like, Lionel. Oh, Lionel. One point four billion.

Oh, she's a billion. Oh, she's a billion. She's a billionaire. And she's under 35. I don't know that. Third with Kylie Jenner. Kylie Jenner was third. Fourth is Taylor Swift.

But, do, Rihanna, she's the richest self-made woman under 35. So is it one point four billion? Cosmetics. Yeah, I was just going to say. Music and cosmetics. So she must have been the one who paved the way for Kylie and then all the other ones that are doing it She must have their crush and that's like the video game like the apps I remember like one of the Kardashians like crush that because medics is huge business huge business Because that's where she gets the majority of well, especially when you're a hot celebrity Exactly like you got to be a celebrity first. Yeah, then so.

That's exactly what I want to know. I want to know the ones that made millions off of just one idea. No, well, the second one was someone, that's a whole different one. That's another category. Second one was someone, oh, here you go. Second is $740 million. Whitney Wolfherd. Do you know what she did?

I don't even know that. She created Bumble. Oh, yeah, that's right. The dating app. So there you go. There's so many of those. You know, who's like, Spina Women, America's most wanted women right now, the crypto queen.

What was she? She should be up there. She's worth four billion. What do you mean? Why does she want that? She doesn't get the credit because she stole, you know, I'm saying all right. But she should be up there for Bill and-

She's not going to be honest. Look at that. She's still four billion dollars in crypto. Yes, how? They call it the crypto queen. Look her her. She's still four billion dollars in crypto. Yes. They call her the crypto queen. Look her up, Doug. I haven't heard about this. Yeah, crypto queen.

I mean, this is part of what's happened. I mean, boy, we're gonna see. Hey, that's something like a villain, right? Like a super villain. Yeah, she's got a crypto copter. Yeah. Yeah. It's invisible.

Yeah. I don't know if it's pronounced Ruha Rujah Ignatova. Yeah, I think that's her. Born in 1980, so. She's not under, she's not under, she's just 40 years old. She's a little too old. Too old for this.

She didn't make the status. No, I thought she's still all the crypto. Dude, that's why this thing is gonna collapse, bro. How did that happen? Everything is collapsing. Let's see if you can pull up a good article on it. It's supposed to be like not possible. Dude, you know what I find interesting right now

about you talking about collapsing? All the people that are acting like they knew all along, things were gonna get inflated and cost were gonna go up. Where were you guys 14 years ago, after, or 13 years ago or whatever, after 2008, when they started quantitative easing, which basically means the government's gonna print a bunch of money and just buy shit to keep things expensive.

Nobody said anything about that, except for the Oscar. I know economists left saying that this is all good. Oh, well, no, where were you just two months ago when we were already in our sex transitory? Tell people we're in some of the greatest economic times. I know. It's so crazy, and everybody's like, oh, why would we so long? No, you didn't, bro. I mean, they're calling this,

and I think you've said it on the show already, the everything bubble, right? So this is like, this is gonna be interesting to watch. So here's the thing. So I was a big Milton Friedman guy way back in the day. 2008 happens and I follow a lot of Austrian economic. So Austrian economics is not,

it's not because they live in Austria, but it's a very free market form of economics, and they believe that the market corrects what it does and it proof is in the pudding. not because they live in Australia, but it's a very free market form of economics and they believe that the market corrects what it does and it proof is in the pudding. After 2008, they were like, you guys are going to cause some big problems if you do quantitative easing and they said it'll never end. They said they'll never stop because they can't. Once they start pumping that drug in, nobody's going to want to be the person to stop

that from happening. Exactly what's happening. Exactly what's happening. Well, and every, you know, unfortunately, the majority that are voting for the people that make this decisions think that it's a good idea. Well, because nobody wants to fuel the pain. Nobody want everybody like you got a credit limit with a credit card, you're running out of money

and say, hey, you need to stop paying for subscription services and you can't buy a card to get forward. Before we can give you more. Can you guys know what the car is. Could you pull this up? Oracle for me. I don't know if you read that, the Queen was. So she's on FBI's 10 most wanted now.

That's wild, right? I believe, let me make sure I get this correct. And I don't know if it's the average or that peak, but I think I read the average car payment in the United States now is $1,000 a month. No way. Google that. Who the hell pays $1,000 a month for a car. No way. Google that. Who the hell pays a thousand dollars a month for a car? Most more than it. Why? That's what it's a car. It's because of

interest rate and the cost of an average car now. Wow. Well, most cars are 50 grand and above, dude. Yeah. So the average car payment in the US climbed to a record 712 dollars a month in June as borrowing costs increase. Oh, my increase. This is a brand new article. You're all right, I'm sorry. Still high shit. It's $7 a month. Yes, still. And we're at highest record debt right now.

So debt is higher than it's ever been. And so that's part of the scary part of what might happen, right? So gas prices going through if they're not gonna slow down, inflation's still running. And before people will actually curb their spending habits that they've been doing for the last two to three years, they're more likely to continue to pull more debt out and make it even worse.

So, and all that it will do is kind of kick the can down the roof. The worst possible thing you could finance, I'm just going to say this right now, for most people's a car. That's a losing money. You're guaranteed to lose money in a car, If you buy a car and you finance it. The second you drive it off a lot, you lost out of this code. It's a status quo thing. It's a, and it makes you feel rich.

And if you can finance it, Hey, we voted it. By the way, this is a bipartisan issue. This is not just a Democrat. As a Democrat Republicans, they Republicans like to talk like they are physically responsible. But when they're in office, they do the same thing. So we have just rampant spending and it's been like this for a long time.

But after 2008, it really took off and that was it. It was no turning it off and then COVID happened and then it was like, yeah, and they turned it away. So what's going to happen? I was really excited. We're going to see crazy shit happen and they're going to put us into a recession because you have to feel some pain. I bet you the printing press goes back on. it happened and they're gonna put us into a recession because you have to feel some pain.

I bet you the printing press goes back on. Oh, it has to. Because nobody's gonna wanna let, there's $30 trillion of money in the economy, I think in the world economy, that was been printed. That money needs to get pulled out and corrected for. Nobody's gonna wanna deal with that shit. That's a big number, you know?

No, they won't. And I agree with that prediction. And I would say that comes at the end of next year. So I think we're gonna feel the pain starting now, all the way through this year, into next year. Next year will be one of the worst years as far as that's all concerned. And I think to start to revive it,

they'll start pumping money. And by the way, when they do that, I think they will, we will all have become adjusted to, because I think we'll see as high as $10 gas prices. And then when we see gas prices that high, and then we get the relief of bringing it back down to five, we're all gonna be like, oh, thank God, it's just five. It's $5.

You know what I'm saying? But I think that's what's gonna happen. I think they'll get us a use to seeing this $8, $9, $10. And then they'll bring it down a little bit. They'll put it in a new house. And then house prices, I think we're originally at the house and we were gonna see a pretty big crash on houses. I don't know.

I think what might happen is a dip. Yeah, I think we're gonna see a small dip in correction. Only because investors are gonna throw their money and of course. Exactly. Because it's just gonna, not on buyers, they just, yeah, you're normal on buyers.

Because they know that what you're predicting right now is that they're gonna print again. And when they do that again, it's only gonna cut on buyers. They cut out, yeah, your normal home buyers. Because they know that what you're predicting right now is that they're gonna print again. And when they do that again, it's only gonna have a phone call. That housing market is very lucrative for a politician to pass legislation to protect because the majority of Americans hold their wealth in the value of their home.

So it's politically expedient to do so. So they're gonna pump that first as much as possible. We're gonna become, we're gonna quickly become a renter's country. I mean, that's, we're heading in that direction and where it will be different or weird abnormal to own the home, like just you rent. Yeah, and people need to know this too

with quantitative easing, which is, they come up with fancy turns, by the way, to confuse people. Really what it is is they don't want the prices to drop, so the government comes in and buys shit to keep the prices high. It's essentially what it is. So if I sold a bunch of pencils and all of a sudden

the demand for my pencils goes down, and then I'm like, oh my God, any bar pencils in the government's like, don't worry, we'll just print money and buy them from you and just throw them away, because we're not using them and it's printed money, I don't know where, they're gonna keep the price of things artificially high.

That's what's happened. Oh, actually, not just keeping them artificially high, but pump them up artificially way high. So I don't know how they're gonna back out of it other than allowing shit to fall. So it happens. It's gonna be crazy thing. Buckle up.

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Well, a little nervous. I'm in the listening to you guys for six years, so this is really exciting. Wow. So I am all start off my question. I'm probably gonna read a little bit of my email so I don't ramble too much. But so I have a morning routine. I'm pretty, I kind of have a type of personality and I've developed a pretty consistent routine in the weekend, kind of a ritual. And I kind of want to get your advice on whether it's kind

of effective for my overall health goals and my fitness routine. So I wake up kind of early for my overall health goals and my fitness routine. So I wake up kind of early and I drink my coffee and then I walk my dog and then I do some gardening and housework and then I work out and then I do all of that prior to then also having to get ready and work out or then go to work. So if I don't read in the morning while I drink my coffee,

if I don't work out, if I don't do any of those kind of those rituals there, I probably won't do it during the rest of my day. I just get too busy. So I do like to do that in the morning. I've listened to you many times about talking about working out in the morning because it's good for consistency.

I've also run MapS Anabolic twice. I've followed it to the T the first time and then the second time around I did split up the exercises because I just really don't have a lot of time to kind of squeeze all those things in the morning. So I only have about 30 minutes to exercise in the morning but the second time around I did an op-sane of wall while like I just felt like when I split up the workouts until like five day kind of workouts those foundational exercises, I felt like I wasn't really getting a whole lot of out of it and I'm just wondering if the way my routine is doing all this in the morning is kind of impacting my kind of like strength gains because another

thing that I wanted to bring up is the fact that I kind of got in this habit of fasting until noon. So I finished my wake up like 5.30, I finished and it's probably finished around like 7.30 with my workout and then I don't actually eat until noon. And I'm just wondering like, that's a bad idea because I recently listened to Dr. Cabral and joined his the holistic health group through mind Comfortespell about maybe that's not that great on my metabolism. So I have kind of two part questions there Is like the fasting impacting kind of those strength gains and also just any advice you have on kind of breaking up the foundational workouts So I can have that consistent morning routine. I definitely don't think what you're doing is bad.

Yeah, now are you asking simply because your strength gains have stalled or is there anything else that you've noticed? Like how's your energy? Yeah. How's everything else feel? So I feel like I was hoping by the second time around with MAPSAN of all, I would be able to kind of progress

a little bit in my strength gains. And I don't necessarily want to use the excuse that I work out from home to be that excuse, but I sometimes feel like it because I only have so much dumbbells. And like, for example, if I wanted to do a squat, I just feel like I can only, I can lift probably much more in a squat, but I can't physically pick up the dumbbells with my arms If that makes any sense because I don't have a squat rack. So I feel like I can't progress there Okay, so that's you you you kind of get into the point now where you might need to change your approach with your workouts if you aren't If barbells are not available to you and you're not willing to make them available in a sense,

maybe get yourself a squat rack at yourself, barbell, or go to a gym, I would suggest a different kind of workout, something different like map suspension, might be a good example, suspension trainers can be made very intense, and the resistance can be made very high, simply by changing the angle of pull, and it also maintains that convenience that it sounds like you're looking for,

which is, you know, you work out for 30 minutes in the morning at home. Cause right now the limiting factor sounds like for those barbell exercises, you just can't go heavy enough because you have dumbbells. Yeah. I mean, maps performance would be good suggestion too. We have a dumbbell mod for all those the core programs. So moving to map, I think just something that's novel will help break through a little bit of a plateau.

I also think that to the point you made about Dr. Crabral and fasting, that's not helping the cause either, right? So if we're trying to progress and build strength and you're also fasting all the, every single day, that's probably not helping. I don't think it's hurting you. And if it works for you, I would never tell someone, don't do it. Like if you, you like that routine,

it helps you manage your calories that way, and you feel good. As a client of mine, I'd say, hey, listen, if you feel good, you like that, it helps you manage your calories. Okay, so we may sacrifice, you're not gonna be progressing as fast, maybe in the weight room, but you like that,

then go ahead and stick with it. But if you were at like Adam, I really want to get stronger. I really want to see myself build this where I'm trying to shape this part of my body. If you're really focused that way and we're also fasting every single day, that's where I might say, okay, why don't we start maybe with a shake in the morning or start to kick start to metabolism a little bit and actually fuel the body a little bit more and see if that helps support your lifting inside the workout. Yeah, I think to dumbbells, I mean, at a certain point, yeah, if you can lift them with your arms,

but you're capable of more with your legs, obviously, like, you know, lateral work and like, single leg dead lifts and with like bulgarians and just changing the tempo up a lot. I mean, you can add intensity to those types of exercises and that type of workout that way. So that's an option for you if you haven't really messed around with that yet. And do you have kettlebells? Well, just to cut why about the 35 pound kettlebell

that I could use single-leg deadlift splat I think. Yeah, that one. Yeah, so just thinking that was in that direction pretty much, but I mean, you're gonna need new stimulus. And so that is a hard one to get, like really solid legwork when you're limited to dumbbells, but I mean, that's really like, in terms of like where you're at for now,

that would help quite a lot is to change it up. We need a more complete picture though, too, Tiel, because you're just talking about plateauing a little bit with strength. Although strength is a great metric, it's not the only metric. I need to know energy, sleep. Are you noticing any other changes, or I don't know, plateaus, or any negatives anywhere else in your health and performance?

Not necessarily. There's nothing specific. I would say I would like to go to bed earlier. I mean, I probably get seven hours of sleep, but that's not, I don't know if I'm actually sleeping those seven hours, but yeah, so I think sleep would probably be a big thing. So and I am just naturally like that type of person, how do you where I'm just like, go, go, go right from the beginning. And I kind of once I get my coffee, I just kind of a non-stop. So I do kind of realize that maybe I need to slow down a little bit. But do you do you feel like you need more caffeine than before or is your energy level pretty good? Not necessarily. As long as I have my one cup in the morning, I don't think I could do anything

out without you. You're doing okay. You're fine, you're doing good, Teal. If you start to notice declines in energy, skin, your hair, serifial brittle, it feels like hormone imbalances, libido, was off, mood swings, like you notice your health, it's starting to go in a different direction or in a wrong direction, then I would take a much, much closer look,

but it sounds like you're doing okay. You can experiment with eating something small before noon. So maybe after your workout, you could have like two hard boiled eggs, like that's it, you know, a little bit of protein, a little bit of fat, see how you feel, a protein shake might be even more convenient. You could try something like that just to see how you did. I did try to start doing the protein shakes a little bit earlier. I found that I get hungrier if I eat earlier.

So that's why I sometimes hold it off. a little bit earlier. I found that I'd get hungrier if I eat earlier. That's why I sometimes hold it off. But then I end up eating a ton for lunch and then I feel slow to shop. Have you actually tracked calories just to kind of see where you're at? Do you have any idea? Yeah. Actually, I did have a small question about that because I do every now just track calories, just for curiosity. And weight loss isn't necessarily something I'm trying to do, by any means, is just overall health goals. But I think I'm probably around 2000 calories. I just struggle with all of oil,

because I just use all of oil all the time. I just drizzle it, and I just don't know how many, I feel like I can easily add probably like 500 extra calories just on top of, you know, they say they're two tablespoons but I don't even know. So sometimes I just don't measure everything. I don't take the time to weigh. A lot of people don't know this.

A lot of people don't know this deal but olive oil doesn't count. You can use as much as you want. That's true. That's not true. That's not true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's you from Italy saying that. Yeah, yeah. Trust the point. You know, the one that I would probably be more concerned, like, have, do you know where your protein intake is on a regular basis?

Have you, have you, have an idea of how many grams of protein you eat every day? Yeah, I have recently really tried to be more mindful of that. And I am, I feel like I'm usually over, I'm usually, I mean, I'm like, I don't know, one 10, one 15 pounds, but I'm usually like 120, 130. Yeah. This may be a case of being over critical. We may be in a situation here,

and you said you're type A, people in your, kind of like your category, tend to over, they look at everything and they get real critical and break everything down. When everything seems to be doing okay, really based off what we're hearing, it sounds to me like what you need to do

is just kind of change your workout. Especially when your goal is overall health. You just want to be healthy. You've already made that clear. You're not trying to lose a bunch of weight. I don't, it didn't sound like you're trying to build a bunch of muscle or gain a bunch of weight. It sounds like you are pretty healthy. Sounds like you got a pretty good balance. Come here now. Sometimes

that happens in the weight room, especially if you're doing the same routine and you're limited with weights. Platoes are very normal. I mean, we deal, I mean, and even sometimes a little bit of a regression depending on what you're, it's not weird to see that. And if the main goal is health, the thing I'm concerned about is the stuff that's out of saying, like, are you sleeping well? Do you have good sustained energy? Are you not having to suck down the caffeine like crazy? Pretty happy with the weight.

You don't feel like you're retaining a bunch of water, feel bloated. I mean, if all those things, or you're checking all those boxes, you're probably doing pretty damn good. Yeah, you know, change your bilateral exercises for lower body to unilateral. Just do that. So instead of, you know, change your bilateral exercises for lower body to unilateral. Just do that.

So instead of, you know, double leg squat with dumbbells, bulgarian split stance squat with dumbbells, that'll make it intense. Instead of a deadlift with both legs, do a single leg deadlift. Basically what I said. Yeah, exactly what Justin said. Go unilateral with the lower body.

That'll give you the extra resistance that you need. And I think that would probably be enough. Okay, and you think that like even, and I know, I mean, I usually do it five days a week, but I don't feel like I go super, super hard. Like I don't not like sweating. I'm not and I just block other than that. That's okay. That's okay. You're fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But I actually, I actually prefer anabolic split too. Yeah. I tend to, I tend to break up anabolic. It works better that way for me than the long one, set the one session, you know, foundational day.

I like to split it up. I don't think that's hindering you at all. Okay. Yeah, I'll definitely stick with that and try to be a little bit more just less critical, I guess. I think Doug is gonna send you over maps suspension also from us. So you can play with that a little bit too.

So it won't hurt to add, I think just having just a good new stimulus. Yeah. And novel exercises are going to we're going to help out. But yeah. And then maybe in the future, consider like a PRX rack where you can attach it to your wall and fold it away. So you can still use your garage and I mean, I just I think there's a lot of value in having a barbell squat rack at your place. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Okay. Awesome. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for calling into you. Thanks for the score too. Yes. Thank you. Have a good one. You too. Yep. Yeah. I think that's a bit of a case of Yeah. No, I think you I think you I think you hit it. Yeah. I've had clients like that. We're psyched. They're doing really well. Yeah.

Everything's consistent. They're doing really well. It's like they get nervous because it's like they're doing really well. Yeah, everything's consistent, they're doing really well. It's like they get nervous because it's like, they're doing well, is this really going well? Well, your type A's have very high expectations for yourself. Yeah, so it's like you're putting all the work in and then if you're not seeing the like serious results, like I'm not adding weight to the ball. Or you don't feel a crazy struggle. Right, right, like yeah, so then it's like,

man, should I be doing more? I'm not doing enough because I'm not seeing more results. And it's like, well, listen, when your goal is overall health, you sound pretty damn healthy to me. It sounds like you got a pretty good balance. Yeah, I don't know. Every scene sounds great. And again, a type A person I eat to hear in an episode,

like Dr. Cabral, who then tells the benefits of eating in the morning and then goes, oh, shit, I've been skipping for a few minutes. I need to change it. It's like, well, wait a second here, hold on. And that's where this is so important. Yeah, you can make the case why there is value to that metabolism wise and what Cabral talked about.

But then you also have to take an account like, does this work for your lifestyle? Like, do you like not eating till noon because it helps you manage your calories and keep you at a healthy weight? And you feel good. And you feel good. And if that's the case, then I don't care doctor says what about how the benefits of you eating in the first In the morning, it's like this works really well for you. Let's continue to it now different story if you look at me and go hey I'm really struggling with this or my energy dips or I don't feel good or I'm having trouble sleep

Okay, and now we can explore some other maybe it is you not eating all the way told new and every single day and then maybe we change that Yeah, the other the other side of this too is even the client where Not only are they just feeling good, but they're progressing and then they're like what else gonna add to progress faster Yeah, you ever get that like I'm like you just gain 20 pounds in your squad. Yeah, let's keep doing good Let's just stick with it keep it where it's at Our next caller is Emily from Arizona Emily what's happening? How can we help you? Hi guys so excited to be here on the show and yeah long-time listener like last three or

four years pretty consistently so next time I get to talk to you guys. Awesome alright. So I'm just a little bit of background about me I'm a certified athletic trainer so I work in sports medicine I have been at my school. This is going on my third season. With my school, I work at a prep school where we have mostly basketball athletes. So all of my kids are getting recruited to play D1. to play D1, we just had a couple kids get drafted to go to the NBA. So I work with very high level athletes. This upcoming year, my job is kind of like evolving. They decided that they like me and they trust me. And what else can we do to benefit our kids?

Because a lot of them are recruited to come into the school. So, their parents are like, kind of leaving them in Arizona with us and just trusting us with them to take care of them, that we're going to get them the best chance to get into college and to play professionally eventually. So, this upcoming year, I'm helping with the nutrition coaching as well. So we have a chef at the school who's going to be preparing all their meals like from scratch every day, which is awesome. And then we also hired a strength and conditioning coach, so like the guy who's a CSCS has worked in basketball for a long time as well. So like I know have a good team around me, but they kind of put me in charge

of tracking everything. They're like, we want to do a pre-season and like, you know, help all like monthly check-ins, just to like make sure that everything we're implementing is beneficial. So a lot of the parents and everything, you know, they want to know, you know, it well is my kid progressing.

So honestly, my question was, you know, like, what do you guys think will be the best way to track? It'll be body composition, like, performance, so, you know, like, how they're doing on the court, weight room. And then I want to track their injury prevention. So like, we haven't worked. We've worked with string coaches in the past, but it just hasn't been like super consistent. So this year I think it will be a little bit more consistent

than it's been in the past. And just keeping that like, you know, as cheap as we can do it as possible would be awesome. And then yeah, whatever is going to be the most beneficial to like, you know, show our coaches and parents and the administration that the money we're spending on these things that we're implementing this year are worth it to keep doing this future. This is cool. I wish you could send my kids to the school. It's awesome.

It's cool. We're recruited. We're recruited only. How old are the kids that you're working with? 17, 18, 19. They're all pretty much junior, senior, high school. Yeah, I think personally I would look at, because you're already tracking their performance

and their strength, you said, right? So you're already looking at things like how much weight they can lift. How are you doing that, by the way, too? Are you using any of the grip testing as part of that? No, so that's kind of the thing is this is the first year we're going to have this string coach at the school. So me and him have kind of been going back and forth on,

you know, like what do we want to do? Preseason testing wise, like do we want to do grip strength? Do we want to do, you know, three rep maxes? Do we want to do 40-yard dash? Do we want to do you, you know, um, three rep maxes? Do we want to do you 40 or dash? Do we want to go get them Bob pod tested or just do like skin comforts at the school? So like we have a lot of resources open, but it's just like what's going to be the easiest to do a month to month? What's going to be the cheapest? And like what's going to show the most benefit is really like what we're looking at. I like all that if it's feasible totally if it's feasible the more the more metrics that you can get

The better off you're gonna be did you ever listen to the episode of even yeah, did you do you listen to the episode? We did with Cory's messenger I don't think so okay, you should go back and listen to that so he now it works for the sons He was working for Santa Clara at the time. He's a basketball coach. Oh, excuse me, is it Stanford? Oh, yeah, he was for Stanford. And he was the basketball,

the strength and conditioning coach for Stanford is now a strength and conditioning coach for Phoenix sons. Good friend of ours. And he did some stuff that I, and I don't know, and maybe in that episode, he talked about the app that he was using. I think a metric that you didn't bring up that I thought was very interesting he talked about was their workload week to week, and specifically for injury prevention like you're

talking about. So the strength and conditioning coach would work hand in hand with the basketball coaches that were running them on the courts and stuff, and they were actually tracking the athletes like how much workload they were putting in. And then he would he would manipulate how much he would push them in the gym based off of how much the coach was running them on the court. And they would they would do load management basically. So instead of running separately where on the string the condition coach, this is my routine. I run it every single week the same way. And on the basketball head coach,

and so I run my players this way, they were working together and he would modify as the strength and conditioning coach. Oh, maybe today I was originally gonna do heavy lifting, heavy squatting, so I guess head coach decided to run the shit out of the kids the last two days. And so actually I'm gonna do more rehab work with my players because injury prevention is so important.

That's the best way, I mean, in terms of like stress management. And I know there's sophisticated software out there that's expensive. And so you're trying to do this a little bit more on the cheap, right? And so, like, that's why I mentioned grip testing is, you know, one of those options, like, you're just like consistently testing them before workouts, just to see, you know, what kind of response they have in terms of their CNS, because that's gonna vary a bit. And I've been playing around with it

with these student athletes and kind of like paying attention. And it does reveal a bit about their readiness. So it is a valuable resource for that. That's on the cheaper side of it. And instead of going with like a Woop or like a HRV where they're strapped up, checking that variability. So, but everything else you mentioned, like I've, I've implemented, like, so that's,

that's great. Like, another thing too, like in terms of like, just a quick mobility check and, and to see like, you know, in terms of like their joint health and whatnot, like I just use our compass tests. So for prime, I don't know if you have our prime programs or not, but you could run through and even do like your own, even go into prime pro and maybe fixate it on their ankles and knees a little bit more rather than just our three checkpoints that we do in our broad type of testing in prime.

So you can get a little more sophisticated in it that way, but that's something you can always show a little bit of progress, a little bit of gain of range of motion, a little bit more control, strength in that. But in terms of like a three rep max, I think is brilliant. That's something that I didn't want to do one rep because there's a little more risk to that. And it's a totally different skill set. The kids have to learn something.

How much time you have to really implement that as well. But yeah, I think between that and then like, if you can do just vertical jump, obviously basketball, super specific to that, and then 40 yard dash and then shuttle run, something like that that you can do time tests with in the field, really quick, really easy, shows a lot of,

you know, you're just, you have a lot of metrics and you're paying attention, you can send that off to the parents. If you can show that athletes are maintaining a healthy body fat percentage, they're getting faster, they're jumping higher, they're getting stronger. Yeah.

That in itself, and then you're managing their load management. To me, those five points right there are huge. Yeah. Like, your kid is either maintained or lost body fat percentage. He is jumping higher, he is running faster, he is stronger in the gym. Like, that is like, I mean, that's a win all the way across

and then, and he's not injured because we're managing his load and making sure that we're not overstressing his body, but we are pushing him to reach new PRs. Like to... And the reason why I asked the age is because right around that, 17, 18, 19, they've now been playing for a while. It sounds like they're high level based off of what you're telling me. I mean, they have a chef cooking them food and you're recruiting them. A lot of this, and you see this with higher level athletes with experience. A lot of it is preventing injury.

So when they're young, it's like push them to get stronger, push them to improve performance. But when they start to get to that level, if you just keep them from getting hurt and over training, their performance does excellent. And so that really becomes key because, like again, they probably are getting trained a lot. They're probably doing a lot of practice. It sounds like there's a lot of focus on their performance. So I would worry more about mobility and recovery and how do I keep them healthy rather than what can I add to push their performance even further

because they're probably already kind of redlining. They're probably already at that level. They've been training for so long, they're such high level that redlining. They're probably already at that level. They've been training for so long, they're such high level, that if you just keep them healthy, prevent overtraining and don't get them hurt or keep them from getting hurt, then they're gonna do great.

Do you have a good relationship with the coach in terms of their practice schedule? So you could actually acquire a lot of that work load, so you could write it down and chart it? Yes, I mean, me and my head coach have like an awesome relationship, but it's not like he's going to have to do. Yes, yes. That we're doing in terms of rehab, testing,

what they're doing in the weight room, what they're doing in their agility training. I know that's where things are going to need to be tweaked versus at practice, but we have a great relationship. And I'm at practice every day. I don't miss a practice when they're at the gym I'm there just to be somebody gets hurt because they want me to be like first person on the scene like to be able to evaluate and kind of like You know get the ball rolling if you know they need to be referred or you know

I just need to take their ankle from to get back to practice. So I'm there all the time Just so just you being able to get an idea of what a like we just want to get an idea what I would consider like a low workload and then a high workload and then based off of that as the strength and conditioning coach, I'm going to a job. That's right. That's right. So I've got like, let's just say this is a let's say it's a week head coach is the guys are conditioned. They're ready to go.

We're ready for the game. We're doing walkthroughs. A lot of just like basic drill stuff. I'm not really pushing the boys hard. That would be considered very low. And then on a week like that, then my strength and conditioning guy can push the limits a little bit in the weight room

because they're so well rested there. And then I had the other extreme where coaches like, we got our asses kicked, we were getting, we were, we were not conditioned well, you fuckers are running this week. This is, and he's pushing the shit out of them. And then now my strength and conditioning coach needs to know like, oh, this week is recovery. We're rehabbing, we're doing mobility, yeah, mobility, stability stuff, like more foot control, we're not pressing the weights. And so that in itself, I think if you guys can get to that level where the strength of conditioning coach yourself are mirroring what's going on with the head coach and really changing

the routine based off of the work load they're doing, I think that's going to do enough injury prevention wise. And then if you use Justin Suggeston as a grip test, you can start to correlate like, oh, wow, that boy, this really does work when they like that. Because it's daily, you know, they come in, they squeeze, you know, the dynamometer. It's just a team, yeah. And then you know, oh, we got to train easier.

Because it doesn't, because here's the other thing. There's also lots of uncontrollables. There's their teenage boys. So maybe the workload is low with the head coach. But yeah, dude just didn't go to sleep for two days in a row because he's hanging out with his girlfriend or maybe something happened or whatever or his diet has been crap. So I like that because that tells you right then and there you're going to train harder or you got to train. Well, that's why all the metrics, all the metrics you can take

are only going to help you. Right. So without it being over the top, as long as it's, and it's so important. You still need to present it to the student athletes, right? That's just for your own data. Yeah. Yeah, because this sounds point to great point, like it could have been a low workload for the coach, but then the strength-conditioned coach does the strength test

by everybody and he goes, oh wow, for some reason, Timmy is like, this is like the worst grip test he's ever done. So even though I had planned, he was playing video games all night. He had planned to run everybody in the ground. What he may not know is maybe Timmy's coming off a cold or getting ready to get sick

or he had a stressful week, whatever. And so he's gonna manage him individually, right? Because he sees that. So yeah, I think that's a no brainer to do that on a daily basis, but that's kind of what the things that I think I'd be looking at And it sounds like you guys are set up. I'm pretty excited to hear about how this goes Yeah, me too. I think this next year just having all the help that I'm gonna have

Like compared to like my previous last few seasons before I was kind of doing I think I was just doing a little too much It was hard to like keep track of everything Yeah, you know, and I was more playing catch up rather than prevention. So I feel like this year, and I think that's a really great idea to do the group testing. I had it thought about to do not like every single day. I was more thinking every day.

Every day. Doing that every day would be pretty cool, actually. Well, yeah, imagine the cool feedback. I can even imagine the cool feedback you can even give the parents like that you're so in tune with like his, you know, after you've charted that for weeks consistently, you go, oh, wow, it seems like to me again, on weekends, he must go really hard

because Monday morning when he rolls in, he's always tested with you. Especially, okay, especially, and here's something I found out through doing that was, you know, some of the kids that literally look like baby drafts. Like they just are flimsy and have like very little body control. They consistently do in grip testing and you start to teach them how they need to be able to tense their entire body and you know, be able to produce that type of intrinsic

force and carry that throughout their body. You start to see a change in the way that they lift, too. In the control they have with these major compound lifts, especially. So there's a lot of carryover in terms of value of that as well. Yeah, definitely. All right. Awesome. Cool. Thanks for calling it. Good luck, Ellie. Yeah, thank you guys. I'm excited to meet you. You too. All right. Yeah, it's, um, when, when, when kids are, the younger kids are, the more you're focused on pushing this general performance, the higher the level, because you look at professional athletes,

what percentage of the training that Steph Curry does, for example, is towards preventing recovery? I didn't want to get into it with you about that, but I don't fully agree with what you said. They're still at a young, they're pretty fucking resilient, bro. You're talking about a college athlete heading into what I'm saying is they're at that, you're right, but they're at that cusp, especially with the school, especially a school like this, like, you know, high school

that recruits kids and has a chef. Sure. I bet you these kids are like, no, but yeah, but this is, this is not where the, this is not where the, the switch of like, no, right? But this is not where the, this is not where the switch of like, okay, all we're worried about is injury-price. No, not all. This is, you are prime testosterone-wise, you are resilient as fuck, we are still kind of throttled down right now. Yeah, it's on top of mine,

but also like they need to build a foundational strength base that is like a really high priority with that age group. But yeah, like simultaneous to that have to do constant checkups of their, their joint health and ability. That's what I mean because you have, you have what ends up happening is you have separate coaches working with students, each coach has their agenda and each coach wants to push their agenda. Yeah. And so if they don't communicate, they don't do the testing, you know, you brought up a messenger, which I thought was great because that's

exactly what they did. And that's worked. do the testing, you know, you brought up a challenger, which I thought was great because that's exactly what they did, and that's worked. But what happens when you have a strength coach, you have a head coach, you have this, you know, sports medicine individual working with them, everybody's pushing them. Dude, it's the next level. If coaches could all communicate like that together

and like figure out like in chart, how much work load they're like hammering them with in practice, because that's valuable information for me to know in the gym. That's it, to me, that's it. I mean, that's all they really, that's already such a step in the right direction for high school kids.

Yeah. That you're so ahead, I mean, we were talking about Cory Sushinger, who's ahead of the game, who's ahead of the game in the college level. I know. If she's already moving, if this school is moving that way in high school, very few high schools are even thinking

like that. Corey's gonna be one of the best in the NBA. Watch. Yeah, no, I'm well shit. The suns are one of the best, was the best team last year as far as record wise. He just got, he's just getting started. So yeah, no, they're phenomenal.

What they, he's phenomenal. What he did, that's a great episode for her. Oh god, did you see that's 907? That's fucking, oh, it was that long ago. Wow. We got to call, send him a text because the season's over. Yeah. We should bring him back on because I didn't realize that's been years.

That's 2018. Yeah, okay. Wow, we need, we need some updates. Yeah, no, we should definitely get back into it with them. Our next caller is Abby from Wisconsin. Hey, Abby, how can we help you? Hey, guys, how's it going? Good, good, good.

Good. So I just wanted to first say, like everybody does. I really appreciate you guys taking the time to take my question. I will just go ahead and read my question. So I've been a person of trainers since 2017 and I started working in a gym from 2018 to 2020 and After I left the gym in 2020 I started to I went off on my own to work with clients on my own

I work with people both on the fitness and nutrition side And I feel like I'm pretty good understanding understanding of meeting my clients where they're at. And I feel like I start to sometimes with working with clients. I can't get them to commit to sometimes some of the things I have them do. So I usually digress to try and meet them where they're at. I feel I put in all of this time and energy and I feel it put my heart and soul into it. So my question is when and how is it a good time to know when it's when you should let

a client go. I hate, I absolutely hate the thought of letting clients go and I know you guys have said before that it's ultimately a trainer's fault of why their clients can't see progress, but I was just wondering if there's a time to let the client go and try and keep some sanity on your end.

So I love your guys' opinion. I think it's less about that and it's more about you getting better at managing expectations. So instead of thinking that, you're putting all this energy and effort in these clients and you're working so hard to try and get them to get to where these results that they want

and they're just not following what you tell them to do and it's then you're thinking like, God, is this mean I should fire these people? No. What you need to do is get better at managing the expectations. Like, okay, if you don't want to follow your diet, Susie, that's totally okay with me. I'll still give you a great workout when you come and see me.

Just keep in mind what is going to potentially happen if you do that. So that's where you just need to improve on communicating to them when they're not executing and falling through on things that you know are communicating to them when they're not executing and falling through on things that you know are crucial to them potentially seeing what they say is their goals or what they really want. And really questioning that,

like, you know, are you sure you're a 10 as far as like really wanting to lose these 30 pounds because you say it's really important to me, but then the things I'm telling you that are extremely important for us to follow and be consistent with in order for you to get there, we're not doing consistently. In fact, we're maybe 20 or 30% of the time doing it,

which means at best we're gonna be lucky to get 20 to 30% of the results if we do that, which I'm totally okay with, because I love training you, your great client, we've built a great relationship, you come in consistently and see me, I can, what I can offer you is we are gonna work out, I'm gonna help keep strength on you,

I'm gonna do these things, it's gonna be good for your mental health,. I'm going to help keep strength on you. I'm going to do these things. It's going to be good for your mental health. And I'm going to paint the picture of the positive things that you are at least doing. But I'm also going to be very realistic with you on because we're not following X, Y, and Z that we're not going to see because of that. And so I think that's really what this is more about than like, there's very few clients that I actually had to fire

or say like we can't work together anymore. It's more about managing expectations, I think, than firing the client. Yeah, do you have like, because I mean, I did have a line that would, there was a line that if it got crossed, I wouldn't wanna work with someone and really was just my time.

So if I'm here and you're supposed to be here and you don't show up and you don't want me to charge you for a session when that happens, then I can't work with you obviously because now it's affecting my business. But if they showed up, if they at least showed up, I know that at least for two or three hours a week, they're working out, which is better than nothing. So that's what Adam's saying with expectations, 100%. That's the point.

That's everything right there, because at least they're showing up, it's better than nothing. But you also have to be honest when they ask you, hey, why am I not getting results? Well, here's why. You don't do anything I tell you. And that's okay. You gotta be honest, but you also have to have your line.

And then here's the other side of it. Here's the business side of it. Is there an amount of money that a client could pay you, a specific client that maybe you're thinking about? That would make it worth your while. I had a client like this. It was somebody I trained. They were the biggest pain in the ass in the world.

And I said to myself, you know what? It would be worth my while if they paid me twice as much as my going right. And so then I told them, my rates are gonna go up, but this is my rate. And if you can't pay it, I'm sorry, I can't train you. And then they paid it. And I was okay with them being a pain in the ass

because I got paid twice as much, right? So these are the discussions you have to have with yourself. But this is the hard part about being a trainer. You have to both take it personally and not take it personally. You have to take a personal in a sense that you're the guide, but you also have to not take a personal one they decide not to take your advice.

That's funny you brought that up because I noticed that immediately when I was raising my rates, like how much more bought in my clients were. And it just makes perfect sense for, you know, people coming in that's like, I'm making this commitment and I'm tied to this, you know, with, with a financial commitment. And it's really is kind of one of those things that really maybe pushes somebody a little bit more into the serious side of like really like implementing a lot of what you're trying to, you know,

teach and instruct them on. But at the end of the day, people, I mean, just getting there for them, you have to kind of put yourself back into that mindset. The biggest challenge, the biggest hurdle, is to get them to consistently even show up. It is a lot of what I was talking about, getting that expectation back, celebrating the wins when they're there,

scaling back a lot of the goal setting in terms of how can we now implement something really simple that you know is gonna Have a little bit more impact with this type of a person. So it's not like they feel like they're just they're not accomplishing anything So they as you build your portfolio and you get more experienced You're gonna get better and better about fishing this out before you get here. For example, like later on in my career, I started to do this thing. I've talked about on the show before, but I wasn't doing this for the first 10 years, where if you wanted to hire me as a trainer,

you first had to go track for two weeks for me, food, your weight in the morning, your weight. I mean, I gave them a pretty rigorous list of things. They had to go give to me before you could pay me to then take care of you. And what happened more often than not, people couldn't even go two weeks of riding down their food to present to me for us to start. And so right away I knew like if you can't do that when you're the the most motivated and you're ready to make this change in your life, you're not ready to be a client of mine

because I'm gonna give you a lot more tasks than just that over the course of the next six months and you're gonna have a lot more times when you're not feeling like it and you're less motivated than you are currently at this moment, you're not ready for me. Yeah, now consider that at that point, Adam had clients knocking down his door too, right?

So you might not be in that position. That's why I say when you build your portfolio and you get the experience, you'll get to that. Totally, but you know, here's an example of being honest, right? So you might not be in that position. That's why I say when you build your portfolio and you get the experience, you'll get to that. Totally. But here's an example of being honest, right? So let's say I have somebody I'm working with and I'm trying to help them with nutrition and they're doing nothing, right?

Or they're doing none of what I tell them to do. I stop helping them with nutrition and then they'll bring it up to me, Sal, can you help me with my diet? And I'm like, John, I'll be honest with you. I don't want to because we did and it didn't work and I honestly don't think you're ready. So let's just focus on this other stuff first

and let's be consistent with that and then maybe I'll bring it up again later. But that's what I mean by being honest, right? You can be very honest with the person and still care and show up and do, get them to be better off than they would be without you. But you gotta be very careful with taking a personal but not taking a personal,

because otherwise it gets to this whole like, if you're not gonna do what I tell you, then I don't wanna train you type of deal, which that can often be worse off for the client. If you really want to help somebody, I've done that, I blew someone out a long time ago because of that, and then they ended up not working out. And I was like, shit, you know,

at least they were coming two days a week, now they're doing nothing, because I blew them out of the water, which didn't help anybody. Yeah, no, that totally makes sense. I think I just, I definitely put myself in their shoes where starting back on my fitness journey, I wish I would have had a personal trainer,

and I think I just understand what such a great tool and resource that trainers are, you know, it's just, I know I have to take myself out of that situation and know that every single person is going to be different. So yeah, that totally makes sense. Many clients, I'm guarantee every one of us in this room have had many clients where all we did was ace. I have clients where all I did was focus on cardio with them because that's all that I could get them to commit to and focus on. There's some clients all we did was ace. I had clients where all I did was focus on cardio with them

because that's all that I could get them to commit to and focus on. There's some clients all we did was nutrition. I had some clients all we did was working. Even though I knew that I needed to help them with everything and they would benefit so much more if they allowed me in the other aspects of their life, but that was all they would let me in on.

And so then I would do the best I could impacting that little sliver they would give me. And then if and when they came back to me and were frustrated with not seeing progress or not, you know, whatever, I would say, well, these are the reasons why, you know. And you can, you can drip that, right? While you're training, you can kind of hint to that. I think a real good trainer can do that. Like in between the sets, you can be like, oh, man, if, man, you're doing so good working

out right now, I'm so proud of what we're living. It says, if we could just get that diet dialed in, boy, I can't imagine the results. I mean, I'm saying things like that all the time, planning the seed to try and motivate them to want to be inspired to do the other things at the same time. I'm also managing expectations by letting them know that's why we're not seeing these things, you know, because we're not following those things I'm saying. Yeah, as a coach, your job is to have the door be open. They have to step through it.

At the end of the day, there's nothing you can't force them through, they have to be the one to step, but you always gotta keep the door open. Just think of it that way. Let me keep the door open, and when they're ready, they'll come over. I mean, I've had clients lose 30 pounds in three years. They took up three years to lose 30 pounds,

and it all happened at the end when everything finally clicked. So think about that, two and a half years, I had to sit there, listen to this person tell me how much they want to lose weight when a reality didn't want to do, was necessary. So I had to manage those expectations until it finally all came together. Right.

Yeah, definitely. It all makes sense. It just, sometimes I, it tells me my heart strings a little bit just to know, at the end of the day, I have to refocus and come at it at a different angle. Completely. Totally. So, thank you Abby. Those are the challenges of being a trainer Abby. You're not a lot of a 100%. I'm getting there and I'm learning more every day and you know, just, and that's

I really appreciate your guys' content and And I've gotten my sister on the board with your guys' programs. And I'm actually, I'm in phase two of Anabolic right now. So I am live and breathe your guys' programs right now. Abby, do you have prime and prime pro? I have prime, but I don't have prime pro. We'll send that to you. We'll send that to you.

We'll send it over. We'll send it over. You have one eye twitching right now. We'll send that down. We'll send it to prime pro. Before Adam loses. I'll send that. I'll send it to him. He has one eye twitching right now. We'll send it over. We'll send it over. We'll send it over. Thank you.

I appreciate it so much. All right, Abby. Abby, have a good one. Awesome. Have a good day. Yeah, I had a client once hire me because they want to lose weight. And then as we're training, this at this point now, I had been more experienced, right? So as we're training, they're gaining weight, right? They're gaining weight as we're working out through this process. And then, you know,

she asked me, she's like, why am I gaining body fat? I was like, well, because you eat too much, you're not following what I were doing nutrition. And they'd be like, well, what do you mean? Well, that's what's happening. And that's fine. When you're ready, then it'll go in the opposite direction, but at least you're here working out with me. And I would just be honest, you know, you don't have to lie, you'd be very straightforward and honest. Manage expectations, that's it.

100% everything. There's a skill to that though, there really is. Totally, because it's hard not to be like, especially when you're new and you're still passionate. Yes, that's just evangelistic. That took me years to get there. It took me a long time. Oh, it's 10 years later.

Yes, it took me a long time, but that's where you need to get, right? This is not, you need to fire the client. This is not like there You don't need to like have the come to Jesus and hammer them about things. No, it's just that Listen, some people are not gonna be ready to commit to all the things that you want them to commit to for them to see these ultimate results Which you obviously want because it looks good for you as a trainer and you want to help people. You have the answers. Right, and you have the answers, but the truth is if they're not asking, they're not wanting

to your point, walk through the door, you don't want to shove them through the door, just wait. But then you also can't ignore, like what, here's a mistake that a young tray, they, okay, they start to get to that, they're like, okay, well, I'm just going to train them, but then they don't communicate while they're doing that, because what you need to do. You have to keep finding ways. Yeah, you got to set the table for what's coming that because I know if a client comes to me and they want to lose 50 pounds and they refuse to track nutrition or steps or movement or anything.

And all I got is three days of lifting weights. The likelihood we're going to lose all the way they want is probably really low. So I'm not only am I not going to push the nutrition I'm going to give them what they want, but then I'm also going them know like you know what's really cool is we're definitely gonna be getting some Strait we're gonna get stronger and hopefully speed up your metabolism But until we get to the point where tracking calories can be real that scale though. Yeah, so you you you can't just Ignore that they're not falling that and not communicating. No, you can't not care. You got to care You just got to find find a way and sometimes it takes years to find a way I literally have had clients were staking years right, but you but like that's what being honest is all about

It's like you have those conversations leave it alone. Yeah our next caller is Cody from Wisconsin. What's up? Cody? How can we help you? Hey guys? How we doing today? It's great to be on the show. I appreciate you guys taking my call Happy Fourth of July by the way. Hey, up in America. Up here in Wisconsin, Justin would love it. Yeah, he gave me some cheese curd, real. Yeah, so a little bit of background about myself.

I'm 5'7, about 185 pounds, pushing 190, trying to be about as wide as I am tall. I've been in the army for about seven years now, and I just got down with recruiting for them, actually. So I have an extra special thank you to you guys for what I'm doing now, which is nutritional coaching, because without you guys, no one have discovered Jason Phillips and his team over there at NCI. So thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And so first question I got for you is what kind of carbs

do you guys recommend eating for energy in the morning? Because I know through the courses that I have taken from their level one nutrition coaching, I learned that the carbs are like counter regulatory to the insulin production, or I'm all mixed up. The e-cars produces insulin which turns off cortisol and you want to back load your carbs so that you have your cortisol curve lowest at night so that you can start producing the melatonin. And so I was just curious what gets the energy going for you in the morning then.

Well, what do you what do you need the energy for? Are you doing just regular strength training workout? Uh, yes. I typically work out of the mornings. If you're doing like a tradition like a traditional strength training workout about an hour hour and 20 minutes long, you don't you don't need to worry about eating a big ol' ass carb meal before that. The carbs you ate the night before are going to fuel that. The only people that I would have worry about eating carbohydrate, rich meal, a couple hours before, aesthetic performance are people working out for like two hours, stamina, endurance, high-intensity type stuff. That's when it kind of makes sense.

Also you could also drink carbohydrates during your workout. That'll help a little bit with that. But if you're just lifting weights, you're fine with the carbs you had the night before. It's not something you need to necessarily work about. I also think there's a bit of an individual variance here. For reference here. Okay. And so just so you know, okay, I built myself into the biggest monster I'd ever built getting on stage and competing at the highest level without ever over complicating this.

What it looked like for me was testing out different breakfasts. I did the carrying over the meal from night, having the meat and rice, and then I'd have meat, rice, and eggs for breakfast. Then I had other mornings where I did a big oatmeal breakfast, and then I had other mornings where I did a a big oatmeal breakfast and then I had other mornings where I did like a sweet potato with something and you know, and really what I was doing with that was less about like trying to break down the science of what's going on

with cortisol and insulin and more like, how do I feel eating this way and then my workout two hours later? It's my performance in the gym, feel it, and for me it was oatmeal. Like I felt the best on that. Now I didn't feel bad on those other things I just said. I definitely didn't feel good if I had something off,

like a cereal or like a, or a big ol' like steak breakfast at that time, and eggs, like I wanted some carbohydrates, for sure, I noticed a big difference. In fact, I noticed when I had two carb meals before my workout, I had the best workouts, the best pumps, the best lifting sessions, I felt the best when I got two meals in, which so basically for me that was about 80 to 90 grams of carbohydrates before I would lift.

So that's what it came down to me. And that was so individual, like I would talk to all my competitive buddies and some of them lifted better on lower carbohydrates, some of them needed even more carbohydrates than that. Someone chose different carbohydrates. Like, so for me, I mean, what you're learning in NCI, I think is important. So you understand how the body works and responds to all these different foods. And so you have that foundation. But as far as applying that to yourself for maximal results to try and build as much muscle, get jacked like it sounds like you're trying to do, I'm really actually, I'm doing the field test.

I'm playing with the amount of carbohydrates and what type of carbohydrates, and then how does my workout feel? And I'm doing that consistently for a while, so I have a time to measure it and go, okay, two weeks of eating oatmeal every single morning at this time, and then having this meal, and then working out, this is how I've felt.

Okay, now I'm going to switch it up, and I'm going to eat rice, and this, and now I'm going to add a little bit more, so I'm going to do a higher carb, and then I'm going to look, and then basically deciding what that is for you that gives you the best performance. That's my opinion on how I would approach what you're trying to do. Are you working out really early in the morning or is this late? I probably haven't about an hour before I go lift. I've been making eggs and hash browns, like four to six eggs, and then hash browns before I go lift, let it settle a little bit, and then yeah, go and pump some iron.

Well, okay, so for, I mean, how do you feel? An hour for a lot of people might be too short of a time window to eat, and then what, 30 minutes later, you have your pretty pre workout and then you work out? Yes, it's usually about 45 minutes to about an hour before that that I eat and then I'll take some pre-go lift and I guess it does kind of depend upon how big of a meal I ate for dinner the night prior as to like how much hash browns or how many eggs I'm not necessarily tracking my calorie intake or my macros right now. It's kind of just been like the intuitive eating.

So. Okay, well that first of all, that will pay you way more dividends in trying to figure out what type of carbohydrate to entase. So knowing that is way more important. So that's another thing too when we're talking about things. When we're talking about insulin and cortisol and things like that, we're also talking about priorities.

And if I don't know, if I, you can't tell me if you were, if I was coaching you and you couldn't tell me your carbohydrate intake and your macros on a regular basis, but then you wanted to ask me a question about what type of carbohydrate intake I would push back on you and go like, you first give me that information. So I can adjust your calories and your macros before we start getting into what specific carbohydrates to take at what time. And also just to try this, okay, since you're working out so early and you have limited time, make a shake, put a half a cup to a cup of oats inside the shake with like banana strawberries, like in some berries,

and make like a protein shake for your meal and see how you feel. Do that for a couple workouts and get back to me with that loaded up of carbohydrates. So use dry oats inside the shake, use some berries that you like. So strawberries, blueberries, whatever, banana in there and your favorite protein shake and take that in and that will digest, break down and get into your system faster than like your hash brown and egg meal. Have you tried going into the workout fasted? Oh yeah, usually if I'm running out of time

or I just get up quick and I gotta get to the gym right away, I'll go fasted, or I'll just eat a little bit of fruit for the fast-digesting carbs there. Have you noticed the difference between eating and fasted for yourself? Is there a big difference? I guess if I eat like a larger breakfast before I go lift, I'll feel a little bit more, I guess, bogged down the fruit and less food before I go. That tends to give me like a little bit,

it feels better when I work out, but I guess I don't have the endurance to lift as long it seems. Yeah, and something like that then I would go with the lighter meal and then maybe drink some carbs during the workout for the sustainability. I would have a powder that I throw a scoop in with my protein post workout. I mean, I want to get back to the priority list here because I'm going to, you're not getting coached by anybody right now, right? You're just doing this on your own. No, I'm trying to gain the knowledge to help coach myself and then pass it.

Okay. So then this is important because you're going to get somebody, especially in the competing world, you actually sound like somebody who's like getting into the competing world the way you're talking because this is the type of stuff that all my competitor friends would talk about, like trying to maximize insulin levels for max. And I'm like, bro, if you're not tracking your calories and watching those things, that is so much more important. They get stuck in the wrong G2.

They do, are they like timing their meal? Like, you know, I'm gonna, they're making their shake in the locker room right after their lift because we're trying to hit that anabolic window and it's like, dude, that isn't not that important if all the macros and calories aren't accounted for, that's so much more important. So I would be really challenging you and that of like, dude, be very consistent with tracking

your macros and calories and don't try it. And I mean, remember that we push intuitive eating on the show all the time because we're talking to generally people that just want to be healthy and fit. Like, you, if you came to me and said, yo Adam, let's get jacked. I want to put on as much muscle get as strong as I possibly can. And as fast as I possibly can,

I'm gonna go, okay, we need a track. We're not eating intuitively. We are going to get this thing dialed, especially if you're talking about insulin and cortisol and you want to get that detail. It's like, we're gonna start tracking and really pay attention because there is such an individual variance

I've seen all different types of foods affect all different clients differently and sometimes the science Lines up perfectly and it's like oh that makes sense why he feels better eating the carbs and then sometimes it doesn't make sense And so until you and I got dialed in enough to where we are tracking exactly How you feel and you report them out to me? I'd want you focusing on those things first before I got into this stuff. That's just my opinion. Right. Yeah, I guess after listening to the show for three years, I probably could have predicted to hear the individual variance answer and you know, start basics before we start getting into this scientific stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm seriously, bro, I didn't even get this far into over thinking the process for myself at the highest level of building a body. It's, and I would tease all my bodybuilder buddies that because it is what they like to talk about. All the science nerds like to get into how it all affects the body and the glycemic index and they start, and it's like, man, really, honestly, it's about being consistent, good ass programming, staying dialed in on the calories and macros.

And most guys just don't have the fortitude to do that long enough and consistent enough to build these crazy physiques. That's really what it is. It takes serious, and honestly, the guys with the best physiques, a lot of times aren't even the smartest guys. They have proven, they have that discipline to stay consistent about stuff So it's like to me it's first about building that consistency and discipline around tracking and paying attention to what you're Intaking and then we can start to get a little geeky about porn and tweaking and like and I've done all that stuff too

Bro, I've backloaded my carbs. I front loaded my carbs. I've carb-cycled. I've done a low carb I mean I've played and I played high carb. I've done loaded my carbs, I've carb cycled, I've done a low carb, I've, I mean, I've played, and I've played high carb, I've done everything in the sun, to get to the bottom of like, how my body responds best to all those things. As I think that you should too, if you're asking questions, you wanna know about that stuff. Just sip on aminos all day, bro. Stupid, stupid, don't do that.

Puddle your chest press. Yeah, chest press. I actually read a study recently that said that excessive amino intake reduces the dopamine production and the brain. Or you guys told me that. I don't even remember. It was. It was probably us.

It was too much branching in the wild. It caused depression. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess that leads into my next question for you.

And that's how do you guys avoid Xenoestrogens? I know you've talked on the show plenty of times about the rapid decline in testosterone and today's day and age which is pretty scary, so just curious what your thoughts are on that. The biggest defenders, because you'll find them almost everywhere, but the biggest defenders are plastic containers, plastic bottles in particular, so avoid those. Receipts from the grocery store. Receipts from the grocery store. Those, so you know when you get the receipt,

it's kind of wacky. It's actually stupid, yeah, but there's a lot. Oh yeah, yeah. So many in that that you touch with your hands and it goes in your skin and all that stuff. So receipts are really bad. Plastic bottles are really bad. And then antibacterial soaps and chemicals in detergents.

Those are the main ones that I would look at. Now you can go down the list and you'll go crazy because they're everywhere in the modern world. But if you just focus on those right there, you'll hit the biggest offenders. And I think you can just give me out of touch and receipts anymore. I never touch them anymore.

And you know, this is actually on my mind as I was rubbing my chemical deodorant on myself the other day and thinking about this exactly thing, right? There's certain things in my life that I'm just, I'm not willing to like, break from. It's like my old-spice deodorant that I just won't go with the all-natural, you know, deodorant. You don't have to. It's just, I mean, look, there are really good brands now that avoid the biggest offenders when it comes to products.

And you can find them now. These would be a very small market before. They used to be where if you want to do it or that was free of this stuff, you need to use the salt. You know, that it looked like a salt brick that you revved your art. Yeah. Well, my point of bringing that up and saying that I why I was having this conversation in my head with myself was that like it's something that I hadn't changed.

And it's like, for me, there's a there's a hierarchy of things that I need to improve in my life, health-wise, before I get radical about certain things that have been consistent in my life. And there's certain things that don't bother me, switch, I've switched out my laundry detergent, I've switched out my hand soap, I've switched out a lot of these things that I don't have this infinity to.

Like, it's not a big deal. I don't have, like, if Katrina changed it from dial to whatever brand I wouldn't care, I would big deal. I don't have a, like, if Katrina changed it from dial to whatever brand I wouldn't care. I would, those things I don't mind changing, there's certain things that I do mind changing, and I feel like there's other aspects of my life. You don't use a little bit of a lay anymore? Yeah.

You're a little less instant. I'm like, oh my God. I mean, I think again, there's just, I think there's a priority list here of things when it comes to. Yeah, that's why I listed the biggest ones. It's a, it's a, those are the biggest ones. The, the plastic, the plastic container. Just getting as much sun as you can.

Yeah, those are the biggest ones. You do that and you'll, you'll take care of a lot of it. The, the Teflon pans are high too, right? Isn't that another high one? Yeah, but I don't know if that's a Zeno estrogen, but you can get like, I don't know what they're called. They're pans and they have a nonstick surface, but it's ceramic instead of the nonstick, you know, teflon type of stuff, which that shit gets off in your food and in your body quite easily.

So you can find pans and stuff to cook with that, don't have those chemicals as well. Nice, yeah, I've switched to like the metal blender bottles and the glass meal prep containers and that kind of stuff. Stop touching those waxy receipts. So I've been just I was just curious what it was that you guys might do if you even actively think about the Xeno estrogen thing throughout the day.

Honestly, we're so manly we need more Xeno estrogen. It's a good balance. Justin takes the receipts and just rub some on his face. It makes him underwear out of them. Sure. I believe. All right, man. Oh, good. Thank you guys so much for taking my questions. It's been awesome to be able to come on of the show. Listen to you guys just no longer. Thanks Cody. Right on. Right on. Cody, dude. Thanks, guys.

Where do you why do you have affinity up there? I think you said infinity. I have an infinity. No, affinity. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I heard you said infinity. Huh? It sound like you said infinity.

Oh, really? You know, that's what you could, you could challenge me on the spelling on that one. I would have got that one. My, my list might have fucked it up though. To affinity of y'all. Yeah. You know, it's really just highlight how people get stuck

in the details. Neuons things. It don't matter as much as the big ones. Well, and that was like the, like, okay, so I mean, obviously his goal was to get jacked, right, I want to build as much muscle and so on. So I thought, and then he's like, I intuitively eat. But then I want to know about

back loading my carbohydrates for insulin and cortisol reasons. And I'm just like, I intuitively eat. But then I wanna know about back loading my carbohydrates for insulin and cortisol reasons, and I'm just like, okay, that's, that's, when you probably just learned about that, you know what I mean? No, and that's totally what it would, and then of course, as you know, astrogens and stuff like that, I mean, these are all cool, interesting,

but there's definitely a hierarchy of things so that- Those people I'm close to in my life where they, you know, they're worried about all the EMFs and the Wi-Fi and the plastic and the chemicals, and it's like, they'll wear crystals and shit to block all the stuff, and know, they, they're worried about all the EMFs and the Wi-Fi and the plastic and the chemicals and it's like, they'll wear crystals and shit to block all the stuff and they're overweight and they don't exercise.

And they don't exercise. They garbage, you know, organic garbage, but it's still garbage. Well, and I'm like, bro, if you just worked out and fate's your diamond. Even that, maybe they're not overweight and they're lean or what, but they don't even strength train. It's like you use the benefits of strength training for you will far outweigh

You know, they were grabbing the receipt or drinking just strength training will cut your cancer risk by that's what I'm saying There's nothing that does that is what I'm saying is that if you are dodging receipts and wearing crystals And you're fucking not and you're all that you smell like a hippie all the time But then mother I was here, but you don't but you don like a hippie all the time, but then- I mean, you get a mother-I-wasking, but you don't, but you don't. You don't ever squat deadlift or lift weights over your head. Like, you were missing the boat here on like, what makes the biggest. You have, I got a buddy who has literally a patch of grass

that he puts under his bare feet with his house computer. So he can touch grass. He's grounding. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I love it. Why are you eating your doughnut? Come on man. It's fun to see what people get into.

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