Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1856: How to Build the Outer Part of the Chest, Ways to Train With an Unusual Work Schedule, Tips for Improving Wrestling Performance & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Supplements are NOT the answer until they ARE the answer. (3:56) The conspiracies surrounding the Large Hadron Collider. (18:15) A puffer fish may have inspired the Mandala. (21:14) We are so vulnerable without power. (22:49) Time dilation is a real thing! (27:14) Nuclear energy can be scary. (29:28) The Japanese are fierce. (30:44) Dad's life updates with the guys: Aurelius has a new favorite word and Maximus’ interesting personality. (33:11) Airplane horror stories with your kids. (37:10) Competition is great! (47:51) The power of TikTok! (50:26) Mind Pump fans love Vuori! (51:25) #ListenerLive question #1 - What type of training (duration, frequency, intensity) would you recommend for a person with adrenal fatigue? (54:52) #ListenerLive question #2 - What programming would you recommend for my client who has a very inconsistent work schedule? (1:06:16) #ListenerLive question #3 - Do you have tips on how to follow a MAPS program while still training 6 hours a week as a wrestler without overtraining and burning myself out? (1:14:38) #ListenerLive question #4 - What is your advice on building the outer/side part of the chest?  (1:28:02) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! July Promotion: RGB Bundle or MAPS Suspension 50% off! **Promo code JULY50 at checkout** Glutathione supplementation suppresses muscle fatigue induced by prolonged exercise via improved aerobic metabolism Large Hadron Collider Puffer Fish Constructs A Masterpiece of Love - BBC Earth The Metcalf Sniper Attack The NYC blackout of 1977 happened 42 years ago today What is time dilation? | Live Science Tsar Bomba Hiroo Onoda, Soldier Who Hid in Jungle for Decades, Dies at 91 Daily Wire signs Jordan Peterson to podcast deal Dave Rubin suspended from Twitter for tweeting about Jordan Peterson's Twitter suspension, asks Musk for help What Is #Gentleminions? Why Teens Are Wearing Suits to Minions: The Rise of Gru Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Paragon Training Methods Mind Pump #1822: Wim Hof On How To Control Your Immune System With Breathwork MAPS Fitness Anabolic MP Holistic Health Equi.life is offering all Mind Pump listeners an at home Minerals & Metals At-Home Lab Test for 50% off! Rubberbanditz Resistance Band Set MAPS Fitness Anywhere MAPS Cardio Stop Working Out And Start Practicing – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1122: How To Build An Impressive Chest Why The Guillotine Press Is One Of The Most Powerful Chest Exercises Mind Pump TV - YouTube Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson)  Instagram Laurie Christine King (LCK) (@lauriechristineking)  Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof)  Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral)  Instagram Logan Paul (@loganpaul)  Instagram

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when you use them. And just like that, we lost all our spots. Just confuses everybody's lost all our spots. No, so you know, here's why I say that. If you have an actual nutrient deficiency, like if you get tested and your magnesium is low or your zinc is low or you're not getting enough vitamin D, supplements literally are life changing. Like literally will change everything for you if you have an actual deficiency. In those situations, supplements are the answer. Otherwise, they're not the answer. Now, they can help with convenience.

They can help with enjoyment of maybe workouts or, you know, just generally having fun with supplements, or again, with convenience. But other than that, they're not the answer. They're not the answer to your fat loss goals, your muscle building goals, your health goals. Unless, of course, there's something that you absolutely need to take. What do you think it is that draws us to that, even though that's a message we've been saying

as we started this podcast? What is it? Why do you think we're so drawn to that? Well, when you have... You're the best person to ask those too, since you have... Since I have a supplement edition, I know. It's admitted. You know what it is, it's when you have a product that you can sell, then most of the information you're going to, you're going to tailor most of your information

towards your product that you can sell. Like, we can tell people how to exercise and we can give advice and, you know, that's great, but selling that's very hard, right? But a product, you got to buy it. If I say this supplement's great and it's going to do this stuff for you and that stuff for you Well, that way you can buy it. So what happens is the information in the health and fitness space is skewed towards the money generating products which are supplement. So we're led to believe either indirectly or sometimes directly that the missing piece to our our health and fitness routine is supplements.

If I just took that supplement, that would solve my problems or I'd get these great results or I'd gain another 10 pounds of muscle or the body fat's gonna come off my body and it's the supplement that's gonna do that. It's not true, that's not the case. Yeah, I mean, I blame the whole marketing we grew up with.

It's the same exact formula. And like, it's just that companies want to find that answer that seems like it's simple. Like, and it's something that you can just consume it. And then all of a sudden, these great things are going to happen. It's the magical pill thing. It's, nobody wants to highlight the work and the effort and paint the vision of a long-term approach to something.

They want to get this idea that they can get these results pretty quickly, pretty effectively, just from doing something very simple. I find it ironic that most people I think know this, yet still fall prey to that marketing. That's a very good point. It's been conditioned, I swear. I mean, I'm a product of commercials. Yeah, like all the jingles, like all the, like I remember

that more than anything. They're masterful at it. Yeah, I think that's just it. I think it's, they've got it down to a science so well. And much of it is subconscious. I think that people, because I think when you, when we say this, or we've been saying this for a long time, people are like, oh, yeah, that's right.

Yeah, yeah. And then still, yeah, like, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And then still, yeah, I like, gotta get that. I've gotta try that or whatever. Well, I mean, again, the truth is, if you have a nutrient deficiency, it's life changing. It really is. I've worked with clients who've been low in a mineral

or a nutrient, and we know this through testing, or through some, through symptoms. Sometimes the symptoms are very clear, and you're like, well, I won't hurt to take this, but it might be that you're deficient in this because all your symptoms seem to match this. And then they take it and it's like my anxiety's gone. Especially when they've been doing so many different things to really find out what it

is. What's that one thing that I'm not doing or I haven't figured out yet and when you can figure out what you're deficient in, it does feel like, wow, I have answers now that my body is, you know, feels the result of that immediately. Yeah, just give an example of how they do this. Like, when fasting really became a thing in the fitness space, it still kind of is, but at one point it was like this big trend, right? Everybody was fasting, which by the way,

we used to call that just skipping meals, but it was branded fasting. It, right? Everybody was fasting, which by the way, we used to call that just skipping meals, but it was branded fasting. It's hard to make money promoting fasting because it's nothing. Fasting literally means nothing. So, and we predicted this. In fact, for people who've been listening to the show since the beginning, we predicted this.

We said, just wait, there's gonna be a whole wave of fasting-based supplements that are gonna follow now. Sure enough, there were supplements. I didn't think it was possible, but it happened. There were supplements that attached itself to fasting, right? Take that same thing with keto diet or anything else, the Lattachar product, because it's an easy way to monetize. And if you don't buy the product, then you can't possibly get the results of the product

promises to deliver. But I mean, that was, I mean, I know I say I'm addicted to supplements, and that's somewhat tongue in cheek. There's some truth to that as well. I do like taking them. Yeah, no, I think we I mean, I know I say I'm addicted to supplements and that's somewhat tongue-in-cheek. There's some truth to that as well. I do like taking them. Yeah, I know. I think we give you a hard time about it, but the truth is, and we've talked about this off-air before, like, I mean, it's fun. I mean, we've been doing this for a long time, and so we have the big rocks pretty taken care of, right? You know, you know what dials are the most important for you to change your physique or get in shape, the build muscle to lose body fat,

to be overall healthy, you've got that all figured out. So for you, and I think I am similar, like it's fun to like, oh, I'm gonna try this and add this to what I'm doing and see if I notice something, and then it's fascinating to see if you can notice a difference. Well, I'll give you an example, right?

So to bolster my immune system, right? So for the last few years, you know, we've been in a pandemic and everybody's talking my immune system I got to stay healthy So to bolster my immune system I've added certain supplements that can help for example glutathione glutathione liposomal glutathione in particular Raises glutathione levels and when glutathione levels are are optimal in the liver You tend to get less severe symptoms of respiratory type diseases as well documented. So it helps fight certain infections.

Okay, if I did that, but I also mislead had a shitty diet and exercise, it's like putting an air filter on a screen door in a submarine. I'd say, I'm sorry. Let's get a sink in, though. Yeah, let's get a sink in. No, it's more like putting an air filter on a screen door in a submarine. I'd say, I'm a big sorry. Let's get a sink in, though. Yeah, let's get a sink in. No, it's more like putting octane boost in your, you know,

you're Honda Civic. Oh, I got an extra, you know, four octane boosts. And what I'm going to get so much more performance, you can't tell, right? Yeah. It's, it's, I added it, but I also did everything else. I remember as a kid, when I was, you know, when I was reading all these magazines and I really wanted

to build muscle, I would go to the back of the magazines because that's where all the crazy advertisements were. And I thought that's where I was gonna find the secret. And I remember specifically, I've talked about this before, but I remember specifically it was a company called Cybergenics, you could probably find some of these old ads online. And it was the first time I'd ever seen a supplement stack,

so it had like seven bottles of pills. And then it had a picture of a dude who looked kind of beefy, but you know, kind of thick. And then the next one, he was like shredded and muscular. And it was, it sold me so hard for two reasons. One, I'm like, well, if you take that many pills, it's got to work. There's a lot of stuff there. And two, the dude, the before and after was like, oh my God, that's so crazy. And I bought it and I took all the supplements,

didn't do damn thing for me. I spent like, it was like 150 bucks back and I wanna say 1993, you know, and that was like a lot of money for me. I didn't have a regular job back then. So it was a lot of money. It did nothing for me. And I remember bringing that to a friend of ours.

We had a friend, it was a chiropractor and he was a bodybuilder, ex bodybuilder. So anytime we were around him, I always always like, I'm gonna ask him questions, right? And I never forget, I finally mustered up the courage. I must have been 15 years old, and I walked up to him and I said, hey Joe, his name is Joe. I said, Joe, what do you think about cyber-genics?

And he goes, cyber what? And I opened it and I showed him, and he looked at it and he goes, and I swore to God, I swore to tell me, and I didn't listen 100% to what she did. It's what he told me. He said, Sal, just do this.

He goes, lift weight three days a week full body, and eat a lot of chicken, tuna fish, eggs, drink some milk, and make sure you have some rice and potatoes. And you'll be great. I thought he was blowing me off.

I thought the guy, but he was giving me the right advice. Yeah, yeah. But then he goes and he sits down and he says, out he goes, you know what this before and after is? He goes, that's a body builder that competed and then they paid him to get out of shape and they put that in the before picture

and he knew this and he pointed that out to me. And then he said, also, if someone to get results like this, it's the workout and diet and not the supplements. And he told me all this, but as a kid, I really wanted to believe so much that I could take the right supplement stack to cause whatever, you know. Body for life or the first masters

to really do that, right? Oh, they were the, they re-were the book on selling supplements. Yeah. Yeah, it was EAS owned by Bill Phillips and he did, he put out, this was brilliant, a supplement review book, which really was a massive pamphlet

for EAS supplements. And what it would do is in there, they would review different types of supplements, like Craya Team doesn't work for all the EAS ones. Vanidil supplement, you know, it's a Vanidil sulfate, does it work, does it not work? Glutamine, is it? And they would do this whole review

and break down the science. And then at the end they'd recommend like the top brands. Of course EAS was the top. They sold millions of dollars with supplements. Because of that. I remember too I'd got that and I remember thinking well then he also had the body for life challenge and the book where he had the before and afters and the book was just full of before and afters like so and done just like you said you go find a body that's in great shape and then you pay them to fall out. Yeah so I'll give you so I just talked about glutathione okay so there's a study with glutathione that shows

that people who took it built some more muscle than people who didn't. And it was statistically significant in the sense that it's enough for them to say, wow, look, these people gain an additional pound of muscle versus these other people. Okay, now that's cool. That's really cool.

It shows that glutathione might have some benefits for muscle building, which is awesome. However, if I took those two groups, modified, looked at their workouts and their diets, took one group, individualized the workouts and their diets, and had no supplements, I'd crush that extra pound of muscle. I gave, they gave five to seven pounds of muscle compared to the group, just to show an example of how much of a difference those big rocks are and how little of a difference, even supplements that work on.

Not only that, but I'm so skeptical because of the power of the mind. Like, it's, so did you guys ever see that study? It was done for free throws. So they took three groups. So they had one group who practiced free throws every single day for like 30 days. They had another group who practiced not at all, then they had one group, they had one group who practiced free throws every single day for like 30 days. They had another group who practiced not at all,

then they had another group, and it was for an hour a day, every single day, right? And then one group, not at all, and then the third group only practiced in their mind. They did not physically go do anything. They just laid there and saw themselves for an hour shooting free throws. You wanna know what happened to the three groups?

I bet the practicing in the mind and the actual practicing were similar. So the group that practiced every single day for an hour saw a 24% increase in their free throws. Okay, in better accuracy. Yeah, in the accuracy better. 24% increase. The group that didn't practice at all

saw a zero increase. They didn't get better at all. The group that did it in their mind, 23%. Not wild. Tell about somebody who actually went out there, put the work in every single day and practiced that shot. Well, that's 24% better. And the group that just laid there and thought about it. Isn't that wild? And visualized it. Got 23%. That's why the gold standard is what's called a double blind placebo controlled, meaning that the researchers don't know who's getting the right supplement or medicine and the people being tested don't know.

And they give a placebo to one side. In other words, if I'm testing, let's say I'm using live on labs glutathione, right, the packet that we know that doesn't taste good. I would get, I would create one that tastes like that that has no glutathione to give to one side or so. So nobody knows, why do they do that? Because placebo is measurable. It will actually show a result just off of what people think.

Well, that's an example, that's a studies an example of that. But there's also the case too that like, if it gives you the results, it gives you the results is it worth spending the money financially, right? I mean, that was a debate we had to take in, I remember, like if it works, if it gives you the results, it gives you the results, is it worth spending the money financially, right? I mean, that was a debate we had to take in, I remember, like if it works, it works. Yeah, psychology class.

That's like what's your, like your, what are the drugs called for depression? Oh, SSRI. Yes. And a lot of the research says that the placebo is equally as effective as all those drugs are. And so the argument is like,

okay, but if it shows 50% improvement on these patients, do you stop utilizing them regardless? And so the argument is like, okay, but if it shows 50% improvement on these patients, do you stop utilizing them regardless? And so it's like, wasn't there a drug that was developed, that was called Oba Calc or something like that, which is placebo backwards because they would actually use it. Some doctors would use it to give to patients and they'd be like, oh, this works. So I heard, I don't know if they're, I don't know about that one, but I definitely have heard of doctors giving patients like sugar pills and telling them it's something

because they believe it's just something that this person is. Well, I mean, that's where we get into like certain products and like people like really are passionately like exclaiming that they got results from it. And it's like, and you can't really fight them on that fact is it's, but they really believed it. Yeah, so the belief part of it is definitely a powerful thing. It's a real, this is a real thing.

It's called obi-calpe, which is placebo backwards. And it comes in capsules or pills. It's sold in various colors. It's obviously nothing's in it and they can prescribe it. They can actually get to you. Pharmacists, a pharmacist will get a prescription for it and it will know what to do. So it's almost like, I wonder how that works.

Parents will give children placebo treatments on numerous occasions. So a child mimicking a parent with a migraine will occasionally ask for a pill, oh, that makes sense. So if your kids are whatever. Oh, I imagine a doctor who gets a patient who comes in and claims to have this.

I think if I'm the kid, I'd find that out. Or, yeah, you have a patient who comes in, they complain of this chronic issue and the doctor is checking them out and sees like nothing every time they come in and goes like, you know what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give them this and see if they notice a difference.

Whoa, I'm sure that. How mad would you be? Doc, that'd really work. Ah, surprise. I mean, you would give you nothing. Yeah, well that would be mad, would you find that out? I mean, mad that he told me, because that really worked. Ah, surprise. I mean, you would give you nothing. Yeah, well that would be mad would be fine. I mean, mad that he told me, because then you don't believe in it.

Yeah. And then the fact probably goes away. Oh, I keep selling me the sugar pills. Yeah, exactly who cares? Hey, speaking of weird stuff, do you guys know what the large Hadron collider is? Yeah, okay, do you know what the, I don't know what that is.

The good, looking for the God particle. Yeah, so it's a particle accelerator. So I don't know, I really don you know what they're doing? I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. Look at the God particle. Yeah, so it's a particle accelerator. So I don't know, I really don't know what it is. I just can't explain any of it. It's massive, it's massive. It's literally this huge underground tunnel circle. It's a big circle tunnel underground. And I think it goes through two different countries.

That's how big it is. What? They spend a lot of money on it. And what they do is they take particles and they spin them around and accelerate them to almost the speed of light and then collide them. And then what happens from there? It's like, like the big bang theory?

Very good. That's close. Yeah, I mean, that was like, they're trying to simulate it, you're actually right. Very good, yeah. So they're gonna be like, you're surprised. Like that's awesome.

Like, fuck off, bro. Like when you're surprised like that Fuck off bro like when you're Science very good I just imagine Give him a star though He's go start. No, it's not sure. No, it's because you didn't know what it was. And they said, no idea what it was. Anyway, they collide and they're observing, you know, what happened during the initial stages of the universe.

And they identified new particles. In fact, I don't know what these are, but I saved them because it's so crazy. So they found a new type of pentacorp, that was particles, and a first ever pair of tetra quarks. Don't know what that means. What the hell is the quark?

But apparently they're all excited about it. Okay. Anyway, have you guys been here about the conspiracy theories around this whole thing? Okay, so they turned it on a while ago, and lots of people were like, you're gonna create a black hole, you're gonna create an alternate dimension,

you're gonna move. Terra fabric in the universe. This space time continuum and everybody's like, so they turned it on a while ago, and then all the weird shit, they're all a weird shit that's happening right now kinda happened after that. So people are like, you already put us

in an alternate dimension. See, the Mayans were just a little bit off. Yes. Maybe that's what it was. A little bit off. They turned it on again, I think yesterday, and they just, they're slamming particles together and people are like, oh, great. Like now we're in another alternate universe and more weird. So this is relatively new. They haven't been doing this for very long. They've had it for like 10, 15 years, but it's,

so trip, trip off this. Initially, when they kept trying to get it to do what it did, or what it does, it kept turning off or breaking. And people thought because those speeds and the experiments that time doesn't travel forward and back and somehow the machine was breaking itself to prevent, anyway, it actually worked eventually. And now, so who gets to control this thing? Science people.

Science people. Science. Science. Yeah. Science people. Scientists. Yeah. Doctor Octopus. I have one for you. Speaking of sea creatures. I got one for you. So you have, I believe it's your house, right? Above your bed. Don't you have what's it called?

A mandala? I don't know. It's above my bed. A mandala or whatever? No, I don't have it above my bed anymore, but yeah, I do. A huge mondala, yeah, wooden mondala. Yeah, so do you know what that's inspired from? No. Okay, so Japanese pufferfish, they do that in the sand to attract a mate, they design that.

Really? Yeah, check it out, pull up a Japanese pufferfish mondala. You know what else is weird about pufferfish? That dolphins will trade pufferfish back and forth and get high off the pufferfish. And literally we'll use it intentionally. Yeah, like they're training with high-matchers. Would I ever, birds do that with ants?

Oh, there's ant birds will let these certain type of fire ants get on them. Sting them and it gets them all high. Wow, that's weird. Dolphins who weird ship, bro. Isn't there a lot of examples of that nature of the animals? Look at that.

Oh wow. So pufferfish does that. Have you ever eaten pufferfish? Doug must have. You've had puffer. Couple times. Yeah. Do you have to sign waivers in there?

No. If you cut it right, maybe do it wrong. You're a fair. You have to be licensed, I believe, in Japan to prepare it. It's called Fugu. That's the name, the Japanese name. Fugu. Yeah, and...

No, like Fugu the brand? No. No, it's not for us. It's not for us. I'd like to try that out. Fast needle that, it's cool. I watch the whole video. Too much for acting mate.

Yeah, watch the whole video of me. You know the shit the guys do when I get girls. Look what I made. That upper fish love explains some serious underwater circles. Justin, you had something you wanted. I don't know if it's really inspired by that, but that's what they call it. They call it a mandala.

So I don't know which one came first. You were talking about the disruption of reality and how everything's been all wacky. Let's just say for the last few years and simulation theory and all these crazy things. But I think a lot of people are sleeping on this event that happened that was actually in our backyard. It was in San Jose.

And I heard this, I think they're talking about it on a podcast on Joe Rogan. It was like these guys that had basically, they dug, I put it up here, it was about, they like sniped part of an energy plant. Around here. Matt Caff. Yeah, Met Caff.

Oh, but Met Caff? Yeah, and so like they basically shot and blew up a bunch of these like energy, producing machines or like buildings. And nobody ever was arrested, nobody was ever tried for this. What did you try to mess with the power grid? Yeah, exactly.

Like it was like, it was almost like a test run in an sense. And this is where my mind goes with that. Because why, and it was organized, they said that there was like flashlights that were like signaling for when a group of guys came in with, you know, mass and all that and and like and destroyed some of these like power grids. Oh, there's like a whole whole landing page that is unresolved.

Yeah. What? We read that. I didn't know. But I was just tripping because this isn't like our backyard. Oh, do you remember any news around this? No. Read this, Doug.

So in the early morning hours, April 16th, 2013, a group or individual would attack an electrical substation outside of San Jose, California, armed with at least two rifles. This mysterious entity would open fire on the station's transformers, causing more than $50 million in damages. Years later, federal officials still have no idea who perpetrated this bizarre attack on America's power grid.

Or why? I've read that our power grid is very susceptible to attack apparently. Yeah, like it's not that hard. Obviously, if one guy can go into the army, do $15 million worth of damage. That's the Soviets. How many tinfoil have things do you have to be reading to find an article that's from 2013? I bugged you. No, somebody brought it up and I was just tripping on that

because I didn't know that happened and like why that wasn't getting more news because that's pretty problematic to be able to think about people having that kind of access of being able to just like get to these power grids because that's, we're so vulnerable without power. Think about what everything would look like, if all the power grids gone.

You know how it is when blackouts and all that, there's just crying. Almost as if it were the hours. That's what they say were most susceptible, right? Were some of like another country out. Or an EMP. Yeah, but okay, so you wanna know, you wanna have an example of what it would be like?

You ever read about the blackout? It was in the 1970s university. Yeah. I forgot how long it lasted, maybe Doug can find it, but they lost power and it was for like, I don't know, I wanna say a week, maybe. And it went crazy. Like people became savages.

I know the party, the part about that, that's so crazy, is like a week without power, isn't that big of a deal, but it's the way we all react. That's, of course. Of course. I wanna know how long it was. I wanna see what it took up.

And I think it's more that they didn't know if it was coming back on anytime soon. So, 25 hours, it was off. 25 hours? Yeah. That's the great blackout. No, I can't be. 1977.

That was it? 19.25 hours. That's it and all that. That's the only thing you guys have in there. Chaos. You guys have to watch it. You guys have over 48 hours. Did you ever watch the episodes of Twilight Zone episode like that where, like, it's great, by the way,

Twilight Zone best show of such great writing. There was an episode where there was a whole neighborhood, then the power goes out, so the neighbors come out and start talking to each other, then the cars don't start, so now machines aren't working, they start turning on each other, they blamed it on this one person, they all attack them. Anyway, it turns into just pandemonium chaos. And then the camera zooms out to this UFO. And there's aliens in the UFO and like experiment number one is finished.

We now know how long it takes before they start killing each other. And I'm like, oh shit. Oh, damn. That's good, bro. That's true. Tell me to get chills right now. Every time you bring up one of their episodes, you do make me want to go back and watch it. So good, dude. So good. They're all black and white, but they're all super good. You know what, it's trippy.

You sent an article, I don't know, that was an article. It was like me. Yeah, you. It was a science thing, which was kind of weird. Oh, no, that tripped me out. Time dilation. Yes, the fact that you, if you left it 15 years old,

you spent five years in space, and then you, you, I got it, I got it right here. Yeah, yeah, that tricked me. So if you leave Earth at the age of 15, in a spaceship at the speed of light, and spend five years in space, when you get back on Earth, you'll be 20.

But all your friends who were 15 when you left, will be 65 years old. That's called time dilation. That's a real thing. So you want to know what's trippy about that? That's cool. Okay, you know that time on Mount Everest, the peak of Mount Everest moves slower than time on the sur... You said that.

I didn't know that. The closer you are, the more gravity there is, which there's more gravity, the closer you are to the center of the earth, the faster times moves, the slower moves for the way. And they can measure this. Satellites, they have to account for satellites' distance and speed, and it's very minuscule,

like we wouldn't be able to tell, but they have to change the clocks on the satellites so that they could do GPS and stuff. Otherwise, they'll be off. So all the time is really based on rotation. Just speed and gravity both have effects on time. Yeah. How weird is that movie where, uh, wasn't it? What was his name? Superman, spinning.

Destroyed all of it. And I'll suck out. What was that? That movie where they were, he went to another planet. And because he landed on the surface of it and it was super strong gravity by time he came up that his buddies on the space station were all old and shit. What was that movie, dude? It had a weird-looking robot. I can't remember.

Do you know what I'm talking about, Kyle? Kyle's no idea. He doesn't want to see weird sci-fi. No, it was a great movie. He were socks of the sandals. He's not into this stuff. Oh. You're talking about that stuff you guys are into.

Okay. I wore socks of my sandals. All right, what was the name of the guy? Okay, wolf of lost street, the guy that was doing, oh, what's his name? Matthew McConee. It was a movie, the Matthew McConee, and it was when they go to space.

Interstellar? No. Was it interstellar? Probably, yeah. I think it was that. Is it Matthew McConee? Interstellar? Yes.

Oh, I thought that was Matthew. That was that was the one. It was the other Matt. Yeah. Yeah. Look it up, Doug. Yeah. Speaking of, it was Matt other Matt. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of, I said Mount Everest roller. Dude, you guys want some more cool stuff. So someone sent me, I think it was my cousin,

sent me this like little infographic on nuclear bombs that have, we've set off and tested and their relative size. You want, okay, trip off this. So we dropped a bomb on Hiroshima, right? I was the one of the, those are the first and one of the only bombs ever used in war. The Russians, the Soviets, tested a nuclear bomb called the Tsar Bomba. That was 3,500 times more powerful.

Then the one on Hiroshima, it was so powerful it made a mushroom clad that went 33 miles in the sky. Like where did they set this off? I mean, it was so powerful it made a mushroom cloud that went 33 miles in the sky like where did they set this off I mean it was in the ocean. It was over an island Yeah, cuz I mean case was like bikini island the bikini a tolls or whatever is where I mean we tested We did stuff right, but they did the bombs. They did the biggest one and the sound wave was so big It's circled earth three times Yeah, dude that's how big, and you wanna know,

here's what makes it worse. They made the bomb half as powerful. So it's supposed to be a hundred megaton, I think it was, it brought down to 50 because it was afraid of falling. So how much like radiation and everything else, like remnants of that can be traceable. I don't know, right?

It's a good point. I was talking about war with my uncle, he was visiting, we just, he served, right? We were just telling old war stories and stuff like that to me. And did you know that we lost more people in 9-11 than Pearl Harbor? Oh yeah.

That's true, huh? I didn't know that. Yeah, that's true. And those are all civilian lives in 9-11. Well, mostly, and then you have some, obviously, some first responders, so it was a big chunk like that. But I did not realize that we lost less people in Pearl Harbor than we did in 9-11.

It was one of the few, I don't think we've never been attacked on our homeland, except for that, right? If I'm mistaken, never. I think those are the two times. Those are the two times you've ever been attacked on the homeland. But you would, I mean, wouldn't you think Pearl Harbor was, was work, I would have thought Pearl Harbor was way worse. Well, yeah, too, because there was like a lot of like dog fights

and planes and yeah, a lot of ships that went down. A drop in bombs and stuff. Dude, you want to be speaking of World War II, there was this Japanese soldier that after the Japanese surrendered, he never got the message. And because he was so loyal to the emperor,

because the Japanese were very fierce. They would not give up. Obviously they had the kamikaze, whatever. This guy hold himself up on an island, lived on the island by himself. I think they found him when he was 77 years old and they found him and they'd say, hey, the war's over.

You guys give up and he's like, oh, okay. He literally lived on this island for how many years? Decades, decades by himself. What? He's like, he thought he was in the war still. And he's like, I'm just gonna stay here and wait for the man to sit in it out. That's what I'm doing.

What? Yeah, that's crazy. That could probably be fine. That's a crazy, that's a crazy. Yeah, he hid in a Philippine jungle for 30 years. 30 years? 30 years? You know what though?

Hiding. Hold on a second. Maybe he made that shit. Maybe you don't want to go home. Yeah. I'm my wife. I'm gonna stay here in a new family. I mean, he's just like, yeah, yeah, it's not so bad here. It's tropical. Yeah, I say. No, I think actually the truth is, I think he lived by himself

in a cave for 30 years and survived. I'm serious. You got it. There's something got to be wrong there. Okay. Do some investigating. There's another story here, a guy in Guam, another Japanese soldier for 27 years. So there's a couple of stories. Second place.

Yeah, you gotta beat him. Not like a guy in the house. I didn't wait that long. Yeah, I mean, you would try and check or find out. Sooner than that. Well, his orders are wait here. And if anybody comes, kill him. So you probably just kill him with your soldier time.

Yeah, wow. Eating pigs and bananas Survival like it. That's crazy dude. So my my son my baby son now He he knows how he says no like this to us. He waves his finger. Yeah. Yeah, now he says like a diva He does this you know why he does it cuz Jessica does that to him. She goes like this So now that's the way he says no. But now he says no too, but he says it's so funny. Yeah. He goes, no.

So now, I make him say that all the time. Like, hey, buddy, can you say no? No. No. Yeah, I'll just correct him. Max is completely accelerated. So the, I remember, okay, it's now, but we're on week three, I believe, since the surgery.

And right away, I could tell that like he understood more, he was trying to say more, this weekend was like an explosion of like words. That's crazy. I mean, right, he's now at, now all of a sudden we're at the place where you can get him to try and repeat everything you say. Like it was him like sporadically saying stuff.

And then after the surgery, you'd notice that like that was starting to come in a little more clear. And you could kind of understand a little bit more of what he was trying to say every once well, but it was still like one word at a time here and there to all of a sudden, like multiple words, repeats everything that you say. I mean, it was funny. My aunt and uncle were over there having such a good time playing with them. They haven't had a chance to like be with just him.

And I've been doing this thing with him since he was like practically born, where I tickle him and I'd say say it, say it. And I'm like poking him and tickle him. Say it, say it. I love your daddy. I love your daddy, right? I say it. I say that to him with that and I've been doing that

and he can't talk, right? He hasn't been able to talk or say anything. He burst it out and said it. Like, you know, I was like, and Kutcher was like, oh my God. And my head never went what? I'm like, he's never said that before. He had to stop.

Yeah, I had to stop. I had to stop doing it because he actually said it. I was like, oh my God! Am I in a way? What? He's never said that before. He had to stop. Yeah, I had to stop. I had to stop doing it because he actually said it. I was like, oh my God, dude, he has a, he went from not being able to say, like stuff really clear to be able to say, I love you, daddy, like that. Oh, I was like, oh my God, dude, it was so great to see that. It's like, do you get emotional when you just, oh yeah. No, of course, we got all, I got all excited

and Katrina got all, she was in the kitchen and she hurt, she hurt it in the kitchen and I was inside the living room playing with them. She's like, oh my god. He just said the whole thing I know and that shit makes me emotional. Oh, yeah, your kid is such a good little hugger like I when we were on vacation And I go up to him like, give me a hug and he gave me his big squeeze. Yeah, I love her Yeah, no, he definitely is he's and my my so my aunts first experience with him was not that long ago at like a family party. So he's got this really interesting personality. Like so, Max, if he's in an environment where it's really loud and a lot of stuff going

on, he's like, he's very kind of reserved and like an observer. Like he'll just kind of watch and he's kind of, he almost seems skeptical of everybody. Like unless he really knows, he knows, if you've already built that relationship, like obviously me or Katrina or my sister or someone, or maybe one of you guys who already has a bond with him, then he's pretty normal if we do, but strangers or people that have only seen him once before, he's kind of reserved.

And so my aunt, who is like, she has a ton of kids, she's a ton of grandkids, she's great with kids, she's like, she did homeschool to our kids, and she was great in my life and she's trying to play with them. And he was really like, kind of sound, and I was like, oh, I felt so bad. I'm like, oh, it's my aunt,

and my son didn't really take to him and she has no idea what a sweetheart he is. Well, they stayed this weekend. He got used to them. Oh, yeah. And he was like, and she had right away, and her already within the first day had built that relationship with him

and we're in the living room stuff like that. And she was, I don't even know what she was doing, what she already had trained him to do, like she was like, oh, I need a hug so bad. And then he would get up across the room, run over and jump in her lap. That's great. Give her a big hug.

And so she was eating it all. Yeah, my dad, my son really likes his, no, no, likes my dad, right, a lot. And it's because my dad will give him and do anything he wants. So my dad, I tell him, listen, I don't want him to watch too much TV. Okay, okay, no problem. Sure enough, five minutes later, my dad looks at me, goes, he really wants to watch it though.

Look, he's asking for, he really wants to watch it. Okay, whatever, put it on. Put it on, I guess, I don't know. Oh, he wants to go outside, go outside. Oh, you want to buy him that thing? Okay, or you want to give him a snack? So it's like, he gets everything he wants. And my dad's like, he loves me. I'm like, yeah, of course he does.

He gets everything he wants, dude. I, you know, do we talk about the plane rides with the kids and stuff like that? Did you bring it up on the show? I don't think I brought that up on the show. I was rough, dude. Yeah, you sat through a rough one, huh? Bro, that was so, I think every parent,

well, not every, but most parents have gone through one experience like this. And I have one all share after you. I have yet to go through one, except for recently. So we were on the Tarmac, ready to get on the plane in Mexico. So it's already hot and humid. A real estate hasn't had a nap. So he's already kind of, you know,

wily and cranky or whatever. Like, you know what, hopefully he'll sleep on the plane. He's kind of already acting again, a little cranky. Right before we get on the plane, literally they're like, okay, everybody, so let's start walking towards the plane, steps off the curb, bam, bash his face into the ground, busts his lip. So he's bleeding in his mouth, we gotta get on the plane.

He's inconsolable, he's screaming. So now we get on the plane, trying to clean him up, he's screaming, he's slept for 20 So now we get on the plane trying to clean him up. He's screaming. I'd say he's slept for 20 minutes. The rest of the plane ride. He screamed uncontrollably. Like at the top of his lungs in the plane like, maaaah, my words. You can't, you know, and you know, you can't sit him now. You know, it's like shell shock after that. Dude, it. I was so proud of Jessica because she was so calm. She kept singing to him. She would try to rub his head.

She was very calm. I'm sitting next to her. He wants nothing to do with me because he's her. He wants mom. I try to reach over and he just like reaches new levels of screaming so it's back to her. So I'm just sitting there and I'm like, man, I feel so bad. So as a fall, I mean, I can't do anything except

for thinking my head. If anybody speaks up, I'm a slap on this plane. Cause I can't do anything else, right? That's what you do. Nobody better say shit. Yeah, I've looked around like, you know, my kid, you better show me. But reality was everybody was so supportive on the plane. People kept saying, hey, look, we have kids, we understand.

I get, but man, that is rough. Then we get off the plane. He's still screaming. He's still in control, but still having trouble, whatever. We're trying to get through customs, because you have to get through customs once you get to the plane, he's still screaming, he's still in control, but still having trouble whatever. We're trying to get through customs because you have to get through customs once you get to the U.S. Long ass line. So I make up a lie to get through. So sorry, everybody at TSA, I squeezed through by making up some bullshit. But we had to get through. My kid was freaking out. He's doing the same thing in the airport. And then I don't know why we didn't think of this. My older son's like, isn't there a painkiller? You can give him

like fuck. Talonol. Talonol. Gainson Talonol and it totally helped. Made a big difference. So he was a little screaming on the second flight, but not as bad. Oh my God.

Doug was really helpful. Brianna was really helpful. Jessica lost her shit for literally one minute. Like at the whole time, she lost it for a minute in the airport. I could tell and I took him for a minute and then she was back to being a champion. And I was like, man, I don't know how, how she was able to handle that. But that was rough to you. That's my worst nightmare. It's so

rough. Yeah, you, because you can't, you can't do anything. And you're stuck in that place. And so do it. Oh, yeah. I can. On the second plane, I, I, we got on. He's kind of cranky. And, you know, with Tylenol hasn't kicked in. I told everybody in our area, I said, I'm gonna, if he screams, I said, I'm gonna buy a drink for everybody. I'm apologizing ahead of time. And everybody was super cool. No, we get it, you know, no big deals.

That was my first trip to Hawaii with Ethan. And he was sick. Like, he just got sick. And unfortunately, it was like, he stayed with like, with Courtney's parents and her mom was sick and tell us. And then we, this is right before, and then she recovered and then right before we left. And so he got it and then he had this flu and it was just like inconsolable because of the pressure of the plane. Once we took off and we just

screamed, he screamed, screaming. So I was like, he'm not really comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not comfortable with it.

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We shouldn't have planned anything, right? We've just been like, okay, like, we're done. We give up. But we went on this boat ride to this island and I might have told this before, but like, so the same thing, he was just like screaming, screaming, screaming, and just couldn't control himself. And I'm like, on a boat that's confined to this room, right?

So everything that was packed with people, like all the way there, all looking up, and nobody said a word. Even the guy that was packed with people like all are ending they're all looking up and nobody said a word Even the guy that was normally like hey, I'm the announcer guy that's like describing everything that you're looking at was just like Wouldn't say anything you more like and then I pretended I'm like, oh this is crazy I like I was like pretending to like throw them off the board And that did not go well I'm joking.

I'm not gonna give rid of him. You know, come on guys, I'm not. It's like, I don't know me. His parents lose their shit. Yeah, I was like, he's gonna throw the kid off. That's bro, it's my, it is up there with top fears in my life. Bro, I like fear. You can't hear anything.

Yeah, I fear being on a plane and him just uncontrollably screaming. And so Katrina makes fun of me all the time because if he even gets like fussy at all, and we're in public, I'm like, let's go right here. I don't do one. I don't do shit on a plane. Yeah, I don't want to be locked into a position like that where I have to.

I will say though, and I was talking to my mother-in-law about this because she asked how Max did with it. And by the way, we got stuck at the airport for like six hours. So they told us that they told us to be at the airport three hours early, which are, we got there three and a half hours early, and then we had like a two hour delay. And then the flight. So he was like nine hours of traveling.

A long time. And was a saint, dude. He was incredible. And what I attribute most of it to, of course, I know a lot of it has. He's been a drill. Yeah. He's a true, lots of nightquil.

You know what I'm saying? You guys said, Rob's a testin' on. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of nightquil. You know, ropes and tests. Yeah. For No, what I really think and it's funny because and I'm sure people will laugh and make fun of me or will laugh when I said it way back when but you never when before Max came, I was talking about some of the things that I wanted like prioritize.

And I thought I and I believed in my head at that time, right? That I was like, he was not gonna get any TV till he was like five or six. Like, he's still so young. I'm just saying I like, all right. Yeah, all right, man. I'm like, never. He's like, we're our goal, but-

I'm up the fight. Yeah. Here's the thing that I think where it, so that obviously didn't happen. Like, my son has watched TV's any three years old, so he's watched TV before I thought he was gonna watch TV. But we did do such a conscious effort of Katrina and I not really watch TV. Oh, it's a treat, right?

Yes. It is so rare that he gets it, right? That, I mean, he goes day, I mean, we were in Mexico, he like never got it. I mean, I think there was like two nights where we let him, we stayed up and watched all TV together as a family. Other than that, like, he doesn't really get to use his iPad very much, but when he does, he gets so excited. No, you know, so we do the same thing with the railiest. And it worked, and he's traveled many times on planes

and he does really well because if he gets fussy, that's what we do. We'll pull out the phone, play a video, and because he doesn't watch it very often, it's a treat, and it works. Didn't that work this time? I was showing him videos, whatever, he's hitting the phone out of the way. Ma! Like just scream. Oh, nothing, bro. Yeah. Did not work this time. I was showing them videos, whatever. He's hitting the phone out of the way.

Ah! Right, just scream. Oh, nothing, bro. Nothing. I tried to give him candy. I tried to give him cookies. I pulled everything out. Everything.

I'm gonna give you anything you want. If you just stop crying. You know, give me some whiskey to get a bottle of this one. I mean, the poor guy, I saw his lip. Yeah. He busted it. He busted it. It wasn't like he had like a little spill and was not only

He busted his lip, which he got a good one I thought for a second my neat stitches, but it didn't he also hurt his tooth a little bit I'm keeping an eye on it because I'm what I'm hoping that no damage was done And you'll know you know later as if it gets well lucky this baby teeth anyways Yeah, but then you be you know until it is permanent grows. Yeah, no tooth for all My brother did that. He knocked his, his front, both his front teeth out. Yeah, we were playing in this, in a cardboard box.

He fell forward, his teeth came out. And you know, I don't know, when you're, when you're adult, like front teeth come in, it takes a little while, right? So it's like for four years, the brother had no teeth. Oh my God. I did that's when my best friend, this girl,

I told this to, like we were trying to hide because like her parents came and were like, no, it's hide, so you can stay longer. It was the whole thing of like, let's stay. And I like, hide here and I like push her by her head and her face went into a tree and like her teeth went and stuck in the tree. Oh wow.

Wow. How hard you push her too badly. I don't. How hard you put your two bad legs. I don't know. I was just like, I'd hear. You don't have a strength meter of day jerry. I know, I'm trying to teach ever this, because he's got the same problem. All or none.

All or none. It's like full throttle, you know. It's so great. I'm sorry, Emily. Again. Oh, gentlemen. I told you guys when my brother broke that girl's arms on accident, right? I told you guys about that? No. Yeah, he was in fifth grade, all jokes. I told you guys when my brother broke that girl's arms on accident, right?

I told you guys about that. No. Yeah, he was in fifth grade, sixth grade, and he had this crush on this girl. By the way, she turned out to be a model. By the way, she ended up becoming like a professional model later on. So anyway, he had this huge crush on this girl,

super loved her, flew her with her, whatever. Anyway, I think it was a fifth grade. When you're in fifth grade and you're a boy and you want to flirt with a girl. I would push you, I'm gonna hurt you. You push him or you pull their shirt, you fuck with him, right? Yeah.

She was running and getting in line. He tripped her and she fell. She broke both of them. Oh, my God. She broke both of them. Both of them. Both. So she had to go to school.

Oh, my God. Here's the best part. She went to school. She had to go to school. Hey, here's the best part. She went to school. She had to cast like this, right? And so my brother had to do all her work for her until she healed. That was his punishment for tripping. After that, she never want to go out with her.

Bro, how devastating that would be. I know, dude. What is it? Is it a George Peterson talk about the psychology and that why we do that? Is there there's a reason why we do that. Why, why? I have no idea. Yeah, I've heard him talk about it before.

Are we teasing each other? Yeah. No, I get the attention. Yeah, yeah. And why is physical like that? Cause you do, you, you, you kind of poke at him. Yeah, you do physical stuff like that. Both sexes, I believe are, are guilty of it.

And I know there's a, there's a reason behind why, like what, that's how we do it or why we do it at that young age Because we don't know yet how to communicate Social cues. I think yeah That's point right here. Just trying to get their attention I mean, that's what you tell it's I told my daughter when she was younger It was just boy that kept messing with her and I said you doing that cuz he likes you. Yeah What I said yeah, the only reason why he's messing with you. Yeah, it's dumb at it

You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you're not told a 30 so It's true guys are dumb. It's so we're like 30. Yo, did you? Did you guys see that deal with daily wire with Jordan Pearson? Jordan Pearson signed with them. Yeah, I try to find the contract deal I don't know if you did you see it dug by chance like I wanted to see what he's got so his podcasts is what they acquired Well, they are like he's got. He must have got his podcast. Is what they acquired? Well, they are. Because like he's kind of like an author, like he does a, like a lot of things. Yeah. So I don't know if I think so.

Like I think that it will be okay. The same way that Spotify came after Joe Rogan, right? I think it's the same thing. Like exclusivity with that or something. Yeah. I mean, we talked about this a long time ago. This is the future of what's going to be. That's going to have.

Of course. Well, it must have been easier. He's just got kicked off a Twitter. So. Yeah. He's just got kicked off with Twitter. So yeah, he did. Yeah, he got kicked off Twitter. So do Ruben. Ruben Gus is going to do too. For, you know why Ruben Gus suspended for screen shotting

and talking about what Jordan Peterson got suspended for. So they said, no way. Dave Ruben. Yeah. Wow. Well, I mean, you know, what are you gonna do? Private organization, they can do what they want. But I think that they're making themselves, they're, they're, they're, they're going to lay, they can do what they want, but I think that they're making themselves,

they're gonna lay, they're, what are they doing? Digging the wrong graves with their, they're gonna, they're asking for regulations, because they're gonna get blamed by both parties. You know, that's an interesting thing to think about too, because like daily wires, like one of those that they're, I feel like they're gaining more traction. I don't really know, like other,

there must be other competing conservative kind of entertainment or like media outlets. Companies and outlets kind of emerging, you know, these days just because it's so like taboo. I love it, not because I'm a fan, but I love competition. Yeah, that's what's good to happen. I don't see regulation, I don't see them stopping, I don't see Twitter stay in the way Twitter is, I see Instagram, stay in the way Instagram and Facebook, I see them stopping. I don't see I see Twitter stay in the way Twitter is I see Instagram stay in the way Instagram and Facebook

I see them at YouTube all stint say what I see though is that They've already now laid the blueprint on how to create these platforms a competitor will come up Yeah, that will offer the opposite side and we will see just like we I mean, so it's so funny It's called social media and old media, which is the news and TV Which has been divided the news and TV, which has been divided forever, Fox and CNN, right? I mean, you're gonna see the same thing. Fox proved it.

Fox came out and said, we're gonna be conservative, right? Quote unquote, and they crushed because there wasn't anybody really serving that democrat. And I think daily wires trying to make that move. They are. They're doing all media, right?

So movies. So movies. Yeah, movies, music, animation, they're going all they're doing at all. And because there's nobody that outwardly says, we're like, can you think of another company, a media company says, we are a conservative media company. No, I'm sorry, I'm actually surprised. The, I mean, it's obviously it's a huge monster to tackle. But I'm sure there's going to be other ones coming up. If it's successful.

Speaking of media, have you guys seen, okay, so you guys know minions, right? The whole series? Crushing. The new minion is just crushing, crushing at the box office, and young man, teenage boys, this is a thing. They're showing up to the minion. All suits. Wearing suits.

What is that all about? I have no idea. There's gotta be something to do within the movie. Maybe. I saw something stupid where they had like a bunch of guys trying to smuggle in like a whole huge trash canful of bananas to watch it. Oh wow. Well, it's a thing apparently with teenage boys

and they're showing up and making a big deal about it and it's causing a lot of. Did you ask your son about it? I didn't, I should. Yeah, you should. Because you know, it's like you're just like out of ask your son about it? I didn't, I should, huh? Yeah, you should. Because he knows all the stuff. I was like, you're fine with that stuff. That's you would keep you.

You're selling what you old money used. What are you trying to tell me? There are these raps of scallions doing that. That's happening right now. What's your favorite CD? Yeah. You're listening to me. I saw the same thing you saw.

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I'm super jazzed to be chatting with you today. Awesome. I'm going to get right into it because my question is kind of long-winded. So I've been training for nine years. I started off doing CrossFit and then I did a little bit of competitive weight lifting, a little bit lifting. And then for the past couple of years, I have been following Paragon's Physique Program. And my question I wrote that I trained or lived for four days a week, but in reality, I

too are between three and four days depending on what miscedure looks like and how I'm feeling and whatnot. I do yoga one time a week, and then I prioritize walking my dogs every day, but usually it ends up being about five times a week, depending on whatever I have going on. I'm 31 years old, I have 149 pounds, and I'm gonna turn me.

My question is related to training an individual with adrenal fatigue. So for the past three years, I have struggled with core sleep. It became really bad this past February, and I sought help of an integrated medicine doctor. I wasn't able to get into see her until April. She ran a bunch of tests, she did some migratory and deficiency testing, and then a Dutch test and put me on an anti-inflammatory diet. Things were going really well. I learned that I have a histamine intolerance, and then you know, I was doing okay with the diet, and then my brother unexpectedly passed away about a month ago.

And the diet kind of took a back seat and whatnot. That's in the week. I got my doctor's Alzheimer's back and realized that everything is low. My testosterone is low for my age. My estrogen is low, progesterone is low, which is what my doctor says, causing my poor sleep, and my cord is also low. So she put me on a bunch of different supplements and continuing me anti-inflammatory diet, and I asked her, you know, what does my exercise look like? And she just said, don't run any marathons. And so my question to you is, like, what type of training would you recommend for somebody who is dealing with adrenal fatigue in terms of intense day duration and frequency? And then secondarily,

I'm assuming that being a chloric deficit isn't a stress on the body, but I don't know what should I be at maintenance right now or should I be in a surplus and just curious to know your thoughts on that. Yeah, good question. First off, my condolences about your brother's passing. That's terrible. Now, adrenal fatigue now they call it HPA axis dysfunction. So that's more of the medical term. Basically, the hypothalamus, the pituitary, and the adrenals are off. And in your case, it's measuring is everything coming out low. So you have to really prioritize your health above all else. And I your case, it's measuring is everything coming out low. So you have to really prioritize your health above all else. And I would scale your training way back to try to go. I'd go one or two

days a week of strength training, max. I would be the yoga, make sure it's more of a Yin style yoga, kind of a recuperative, relaxing yoga, nothing power, nothing he did, just kind of relaxing. Meditation would also be very good. And then diet wise, what you think is absolutely right. I'd have you at maintenance or a slight surplus. Just to give your body nothing else to be worried about or be stressed about. And then your workouts, the way I would treat

the workouts is as stress relief. So go into the workout and really think about what's gonna make you feel good while you're feeling the way you are. So that may mean your workouts are lower intensity. It may mean some of them are higher intensity, but really got it. You got to really get your health back before you push anything with your workout. Be careful with that advice, though, because you know, sometimes we misinterpret what

feels good, right? Because when you're in a state like you are right now, that rush of cortisol after you're a hard workout, sometimes feels good and is misleading. Clients like in your case sometimes will... Don't use the workout to distract yourself in other words. Yeah, did you also say, did I hear you say you're a lawyer too?

Yes. Oh yeah, okay, so it's probably a pretty high stress job in addition to what you got going on. So yeah, I mean, and that's how I would, so based off of my week, like speaking as you, I would, that's what would drive and steer like what my workout looked like. If I had some, if I had a couple good days of good rest and work, I got a lot of stuff done at work. I don't feel like I'm behind and not like staying up super late and grinding. Okay, I'm gonna go to gym and have a good hard workout. Flip that scenario. It's the opposite.

It was, oh my god, work is just, I'm overloaded. It's staying up late. I'm grinding like crazy. Like, okay, now my workout is gonna be more recuperative. I'm gonna do some more mobility stuff. Some maybe yoga. I'm gonna do, you know, maybe I'll do some lifting, but it'll be very light as far as the intensity. It's just, I'm gonna go in there know, maybe I'll do some lifting, but it'll be very light as far as the intensity. It's just, I'm gonna go in there and get a little bit of a pump and do some movement. And I wanna walk out of the gym, you're like feeling energized and good,

not like I crushed the gym, and I have this rush of cortisol. I wanna feel like I feel good. Like, oh wow, I'm even more energetic for the rest of my day based off of the way I lifted. Do you do any meditative practices currently right now? So I just started doing some breath work. Is that what you mean by meditation?

That'll work. Yeah, no, definitely. I mean, that's kind of where I was going in terms of. Yeah, I don't know if you mentioned Wim Hof and you're trying to, like for me, that was a very applicable way to get into meditation in terms of like the way that just, it just helped to kind of get my entire focus in that direction with tangible ways of approaching it. Because I know it's kind of one of those things like, you know, especially if you're a type

of a kind of person, it's a hard headspace to get into just by sitting there and kind of trying to think about it. So to put yourself in classes or settings like that, I think it's a good idea. Yeah, to be more specific, daily activity is good. Hard workouts is what I'm telling you to scale way back. So strength training one or two days a week, but daily activity daily walks daily movement is fine It's really good for you. I wouldn't do five days a week of strength training or four days a week of strength training I think that's too much for you right now. Yeah, I think your your your body needs to you need to when you're

Whoever you're working with the expert that you're working with when your hormone start to come back into balance that Would be the time to scale up the workout once everything starts to come back in balance and is more stable. And slow and go back in measure still, right? So like just as you start to feel good and go, okay, I'm starting to feel good. Don't turn it all the way up. Yeah, let's add one day of resistance training. Let's go back in measure. Am I still good?

Am I still feeling great? Am I still, is everything up? Okay, cool. Now I can add another like versus, oh, I'm good again. Now go back to my five days a week crushing it getting after it like Allow yourself to scale slowly up and always be checking back in with yourself a good program to follow You map center ball could probably be good And I would do one or two foundational workouts a week and then just be active

Throughout the week. I think that would be appropriate for you at this moment And monitor the intensity so even with the hard foundational workouts You might even need to scale down the intensity depending on how you're feeling. Koli, are you also taking advantage of the free form with Dr. Cabral? Yeah, yeah, I actually asked the question there last week, just for some more resources that I could look into myself

and would read up on that and or listen to any episodes that they offered and they gave me a couple of good sources. Good, and they do, they do testing as well, but they do, they're very comprehensive. So I like to Dutch test a lot. I think that's a superior way to test hormones, because your hormones fluctuate throughout the day and a Dutch test for people aren't familiar.

This is, you're testing your hormone levels throughout the day. But there's also hair tests you could do to look at like mineral deficiencies and heavy metal toxicity, a stressed body doesn't do as well of a good of a job of detoxifying the body as a non-stress body. So you can look at Dr. Cabral's team, maybe work with them to do some further testing

to kind of get more fine tuned with what you're doing. Okay, cool. Did you say, I'm Santa Bob, I have that one, is that it's on the charts? Yeah, I'm absolutely. I'm one or two foundational workouts a week is what I would do. And then the rest of the week you just be active

and keep the intensity real low with the activity. So I could like keep my yoga and my walking if I wanted to add in another day of yoga with that be fine? As long as it's a good restorative yoga, okay? Don't try and do strength training yoga. Because there are yoga classes that are like high intensity. I'd urge a lot of them.

No, I would look for Yin. Yin yoga is a really good option. Okay. Okay, and good luck. It's gonna take a little while. Be patient, please. It's gonna take a good six months to a year for you to feel like you're old self.

But if you don't, if you don't heed the warnings, it'll never happen. Right, right. Okay. Cool. All right. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. Thank you, Clyde. Thanks. Yeah. And I just wanted to thank you guys. You know, the first episode I heard was a Why Women Should Bulg I listened to about a year ago. And I share that with all of the women in my life and friends and family members. So just thanks for putting that really the contact.

I appreciate it. No problem. Thank you. Nice. We should go to contact info. We need a good attorney, don't we? Usually. Oh, what kind?

Would people say a corner in your head? What kind of attorney did you say what she did say? She did say. Yeah. It's always good to have an attorney friend. You can never have too many of them. Never. I'm going to attorney.

I need a judge. Please chief. Sound like I'm off you. No, you know, I feel for her because when you're in that state and you feel bad, you wanna do more to help yourself and the answer's doing less. Yeah, it's like counterproductive. Which is like hard to do, especially if you're somebody that's, you know, she's accomplished, she's an attorney.

So she's used to doing more to get what she wants, probably. Well, what are some things, I mean, so we we can help I know we didn't go into it with her But maybe when she listens to this later that like I think what makes it hard is we we look at the traditional things of like my body My strength the mirror. Yeah, when now I would want her to shift her focus on like hey, how's your sleep? You know that would be the number one focus. How's your sleep? How's your mood? Yeah, how's your mood? How's your energy cravings? Are you starting to see less cravings now?

So these are the things that, you know, by us scaling back on the intensity in the gym, of course, where we might potentially get weaker. Of course, I mean, I'd be as buff as we were a month ago, but your health is our number one focus now. So let's not use that as our markers if we're doing well. And let's look at these other things. Totally.

That we want to pay attention to. And so that will help you stay motivated and focused is looking at those things and really let that be like, oh, this I'm having success with working out only one. I worked out for almost two years like that. It was almost because I had a family member that was going through some day, ended up passing away. It was a real tough battle with cancer.

And it was two years of me working out to maintain my health. Literally, I would just work out and like, okay, how can I stay healthy so I can help this person? It was not PRs, it was not how much muscle I could build. It wasn't burning body fat. It was literally, I go in, I have an hour, what can I do to feel good and to help myself.

And sometimes it was like one exercise and then walking on the treadmill really slow is what it looked like sometimes. So it's real tough. Our next caller is Josh, Josh from California. Josh, what's happening? Man, how can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going?

I appreciate the time to chat with you and get some little bit of help here. I am working time to chat with you and get some help here. Working as a food coach for a lot of clients now, I've been doing it for about a year after getting involved on the physique competitive side. I'm really planning to reallocate that focus towards helping people versus doing it myself. I have a client who's pretty locked in with food. He's in his early 30s and he's like typical early 30 year old, trying to lose a little bit more body fat

and get a little bit more lean muscle. He's in that 25% body fat range. He's about 5'10 and 190 pounds, and I'd say average workout experience. So we started his diet plan, it's all macro based, and that goes pretty snooly, but where I'm struggling a little bit is pointing him in the right direction from a workout regime perspective.

His work schedule is very, very unique. He's a New York tugboat captain, and he works two weeks on, which means he literally lives on this tugboat for two weeks, and then he has two weeks off where he goes home and he's not working. The two weeks where he's off, it's really easy, right? He can go to a gym, he has access to anything he needs to from a gym perspective, and then he has two weeks off where he goes home and he's not working. The two weeks where he's off, it's really easy, right? He can go to a gym, he has access to anything he needs to from a gym perspective, and that's pretty fluid.

But the struggle here is that when he works the two weeks on the boat, he works in six hour increments, which means that he has pretty limited time to actually get a workout in, maybe about an hour a day, which is terrible, but his sleep schedule, in particular, is really broken up into like two or three hour a day, which is terrible, but his sleep schedule in particular is really broken up into like two or three-hour increments, maybe twice throughout the day. So I'm really struggling with a helping him find

a consistent program that you can kind of break up with amongst the two weeks. And then probably more importantly, work on a program that lets his body still recover from a sleep perspective, because I know that his schedule, he could be a way to get two o'clock in the morning and be awake from two to four and then have to go back to sleep for 45 minutes or an hour. It's just so hyper

inconsistent that I worry about putting him in a position where maybe he's pushing it a little bit too to too hard versus appropriately being able to scale back and set them up for success. What is his primary goal? He's not trying to compete, right? He's, the show's not in him. What's his primary goal? Yeah, he's just, he's 33, 32. He's in that, you know, 25, maybe closer to 25, 30% body fat.

And he's just trying to kind of lean out and ultimately, he gets to where he probably looked at, like 22, which I think is pretty normal for us early 30 year olds. But yeah, no competitive, you know. Okay, I mean, I mean, this is very doable. I mean, it's not, I actually think that with his poor sleep schedule on the tugboat, I think trying to do too much on the tugboat will end up

hurting you than helping you. If you train really well and you're eating really well when he's back in town and stay very consistent with that, so long as I always say on the show, he doesn't eat like an asshole on the tugboat and he sounds like he's probably doing physical manual labor, maybe get some trigger sessions in there, maybe give him some bands and he does some trigger work on there, some body weight work, you'd be surprised of what he could maintain during that time. It's really him not going off the deep end and totally eating off the rails and not working out for those two weeks and then he comes back and then it's just like we're going to take these big steps back. I think 20 to 30 minutes of daily mobility slash a little bit of strength training on the tugboat will be totally fine. You could use a suspension trainer or bands to make it really completely. I don't have any. I remember we had somebody call in for tugbos and there's no way to put the suspension. Really? Yeah. Okay. Because it's all waterproof. Well,

that would be body weight and bands. Body weight and bands. Body weight and bands. And then the in order to put the suspension. Really? Yeah. Okay. Cause it's all waterproof. Yeah, body weight and bands. Body weight and bands. Body weight and bands. And then the two weeks he's off, obviously, who would just train like he normally does. But yeah, diet's gonna be the big one with fat loss. And you said he wants to get down to 22% body fat?

No, sorry, maybe I'm a spoke. He's in that like 25% range give or take. But he's trying to, you know, probably ideally would be in more of like a 15 to 18% range. Okay. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's going to be a largely, the result of his diet. Yeah. But on the boat, he could do 20 to 30 minutes a day of some kind of exercise, body weight, bands, it could be mobility work. And then two weeks, when he's back, he trains normally. It's not that bad. Actually, be honest with you, studies are showing that that really doesn't make that big of a

difference. As long as he's active and he does those two weeks of traditional strength training, he'll probably progress just fine. Yeah, I know you guys always cite that what, like, three weeks on when we got studied. Right. I have some. I really good results. Exactly.

Yeah. Okay, cool. I guess just as a follow-up, do you guys think it's appropriate for when he is home for those two weeks? I was thinking something specific to, like, aesthetics, to kind of like matches or his kind of goals. Maybe maps and a ball. Like aesthetic is really high volume or performance. Maps for performance might be more appropriate.

A lot of people will, they tend to navigate towards aesthetic because they like the main minute spot. But it's really high volume. Yeah, he should work to that. Like that should be the goal to get him to aesthetic, but I would run him through our normal anabolic performance and then aesthetic to get him there. So, and that's how I would set it up from,

if like, hey, I know you want to get into body sculpting and you want to look a certain way. You know, eventually I want to scale you to this much volume, but we need to start here first. I'll start at an anabolic phase and then we'll work our way into performance and then work our way into study Which also as a trainer. I mean that's to me it's it's set you up for your resign for the next six month or nine months right there too

Yeah, telling him that this is what we're gonna do We're gonna follow anabolic when you're on the boat and here's how I would do it too I'd be he would be running anabolic when we're in town when he's out of town I'd give him some body weight stuff or some band stuff. If you don't have maps anywhere, a Doug will send you maps anywhere. You can pull from the programming in there and just let it interrupt the program and then continue right where you left off

in the program before when he's in town, until you get all the way through Anabalc that way and then go to performance, same thing. Run performance to a T, when he's on the boat, then he's running kind of a maps anywhere type of protocol and then continues on with performance when he gets back and just, then he's running kind of a maps anywhere type of protocol and then and then continues on with Performance when he gets back and just keep running the programs like that Yeah, that's perfect. I think Matt's anywhere might be the only program that I don't own from you guys so that would be amazing

Cool, send that right off the other side of the door. Yeah, appreciate you guys. Thank you. You got Josh. Thanks, man Take care Very uncommon schedule, right, but challenging. Yeah, yeah. Real uncommon. Now, tugboat, that's the boat, that's like a tow truck, right? They go out and the boats that are stranded, they pull. Hands the name.

That's what I figured. Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't know when I was a kid. That's the guy that gets by you. I'm telling you. Just wanna make sure. We'll break this down, you guys. It's a boat that tracks things.

That's the one, what's his name, pull to his teeth, right? Isn't that what he pulled? Tugboat? No, he he pulled tugboat? Did he? You were doing good there for a second no Jack, look at that pull a tugboat somebody pull the tugboat somebody pull the tugboat So many Google who pulled the tugboat? I'm sure I'm sure Adam

know something Somebody did it you guys show we pulled the tugboat. Yeah, no. I'm telling you, somebody did. No, but that's a tough, but you know, two weeks on, two weeks off with activity on the off, whatever, as long as it's some kind of activity, you're fine.

The key is to die. They honestly, the key is to die. That's going to be a tough thing. Yeah, if he's talking about body composition, I mean, that's really where you need to live anyway. And I think the risk that you run as a trainer who's coaching someone with this is trying to get them to do too much in a state where they're probably not sleeping very well and don't have a lot of time. And then he then he, when he does train, he's kind of over-training the body and then cravings

are up and then he makes bad choices. It's easy to step over that line with exercise. And he comes home and he's exhausted for five days, six days. Yeah, what I would do if he was my client, I would put all the energy around, okay, let's talk about what food choices you have on this boat and let's try and really, full prep before even leave. Yeah, let's manage that really tight.

And then, hey, three days a week, I'd like you to do these movements. Do your best. I know you're gonna be working on that boat. Like, I'm sure it's a physical job. Yeah. I don't think he's probably just sitting on the boat with his feet up.

I'm sure he's probably doing like manual labor all day long. So he's probably pretty active. He's talking to me. He's talking to me. He's talking to me all day. Our next caller is Sean from Massachusetts. Sean, what's happening man? How can we help you?

Hey, how you doing? So I'm 32 at the end of this month. I decided for some odd reason that I was going to become a pro wrestler for my sons. And so I did a camp. And it was actually, coincidentally, the same day you guys dropped Maps Cardio. And I was looking at Maps Cardio.

And I was just trying to figure out how to Do the maps program on top of training? It's actually Tuesdays and Thursdays from 7 to 10 p.m. And then I do yoga Once a week so I was just trying to figure out how to balance everything out and kind of not get burnt out because The training I'm not going to, I wouldn't be having my first wrestling match for like six to seven months, so I'd be training pretty much for that long, so that's pretty much where I'm at and trying to figure out what to do so I don't get burnt out.

All right, good question. Yeah, we'll get to that question, but I want to find out, like, what inspired this? Did you just like sue Plex one of your kids? And I'm good at this. Yeah. Uh, I grew up with like stone cold and the rock and stuff like that. And I watched it. And then, you know, there's like a lot of local shows.

And I took my kid to a one day and he kind of fell in love with it. And I'm like, man, I want man, I want to do this for them. And I have like this whole thing planned out in my head, like, of how I want my first match to go. And like, be like sitting in the crowd type of thing and have somebody come out and like challenge somebody in the crowd and have that person be me just to see my kid's reaction. You're going to be a viola. Yeah. And I've always loved it. I feel like this is how you convinced your wife. That's what I really feel like this is how you convinced your wife.

I'm honey, this is for the boys. I've got to do something for my son. I know, how does a mom say no to that? I swear. Yeah, she's not too thrilled about it. It's over. It was a little bit more than I thought. I'm not going to be able to do it.

I'm going to be a little bit more honest. I'm going to be a little bit more honest. I'm going to be a little bit more honest. I'm going to be a little bit honest. I'm going to be a little bit honest. I'm going to be a little bit honest. I'm going to be, it's pro wrestling. I know. How does a mom say no to that? No, not for them. I swear. Damn it. Yeah, she's not too thrilled about it. It was. It was.

I said it was. It was. Bro, we're cheering for you by the way. Yeah. Is that is a listen baby? I got to get a new motorcycle for my sons. So look, here's a deal. I'm a two things.

Number one, you're going to be a superhero to kids no matter what you do. I just want to break that down for you. Whether you make a real ownership. Yeah. You're going to your dad's a superhero whether kids no matter what you do. So I just wanna break that down for you, whether you make it or not. You're gonna, your dad's a superhero, whether you go pro wrestling or not. All right, so let's answer the question with the training. I think depending on the intensity of the two training sessions you're doing with pro wrestling,

I'd probably throw one or two strength training sessions in there on top of it. And then I would focus primarily on the techniques that you need to practice for pro-resting. So a lot of people don't know this, but wrestling, even pro-resting, even though it's scripted, you're doing the moves for real

and they're very technical. It's not just the person performing the move, but it's also the person who's getting thrown that needs to perfect the technique. Otherwise, you hurt yourself. So where I would spend my time, if I were you, a majority of the time I would spend is on that, not on workouts.

You look like a big guy, you probably got the performance down. You gotta practice the techniques. That's what's gonna keep you from hurting yourself and keep you from hurting other people. Are you drawn to cardio for stamina reasons? Was that something you're considering right now? So I own pretty much every single program from you guys except for like PD and like OCR. And when I saw the cardio where you throw in either the hiking or whatever you do,

that's pretty much why I had bought it. And I've been playing around with it a little bit and I can actually break down what we do in the training sessions at the school. But map cardio just seemed like the perfect fit for something like that because it was only like three days a week. Yeah. When you're doing your wrestling training, it's a lot of practicing the moves and techniques, right? Yeah, and so the class that I had went to the first 45 minutes, which was the warm up, basically we were running up and down three flights of stairs for 10 minutes.

We would do firemen's carries with the guy behind us for a few rounds. And then we did like a hundred squats and then 50 pushups. And then that was the warm up. And then, you know, we've gotten the ring. The first, they wanted to do like catch wrestling for the first two minutes trying to see like who can kind of hang and who can't. Well, you know, me being one of the only guys that looked like I worked out, I got thrown in there with one of the guys who's been wrestling for six years and who was the second biggest

guy in there. I'm not going to shoot my own horn, but I made him tap out. Yeah, so we got, we did in the ring like 45 minutes after the workout and then, you know, after that we work on like promos and talking, learning how to talk to the crowd and things like that. So it's not like seven to 10s, not a full intense workout, but there's like two or three hours solid. I feel like you could follow a Mastercard.

Maybe. I mean, if you was my client, so pro wrestling training is very similar to if you took a competitive judo class or wrestling class, what you just explained is what you would do in took a competitive judo class or wrestling class. What you just explained is what you would do in a high level judo class as well. I would go one day a week of strength training and it could be full body basic. So you could pick one of the workouts from cardio

or you could go maps in a ball lick and then you got your two days a week of pro wrestling. And then if you can, I would throw in one or two more days of judo or wrestling training. That's going to transfer way better to the ring than more gym time. It's going to be way more carryover if you do something like that. That's a good point. Yeah.

I mean, the catch wrestling he explained catch wrestling is technical. That's old American submission wrestling. So America actually has a history of submission wrestling. He's called it, catch is catch can was the name of it. And they would do all kinds of different submissions and stuff. It's very cool of submission wrestling. It's called Catch His Catch Can, was a name of it. And they would do all kinds of different submissions and stuff. It's a very cool form of wrestling. But yeah, I would do more of that in one day

a week of gym work. The gym work, yeah, you'll get stronger and stuff. But if you wanted to carry over to the ring, you get to practice more of that stuff. And because I'm speaking specifically to an athlete, I can be very specific with my advice. So that's what I would do. One day a week of strength training,

and see if you could throw another day or two in of wrestling or judo or something along those lines to make you- This is the day start working on your costume. That's what I would do. Yeah. That's it. So getting that down.

Do you have a wrestling name yet? Did you come up with one yet? So I was debating but big daddy games. Yeah. Oh, I like it. well, you can't take that's, that's just this name. You got to pick another one. Oh, man. It's okay. You can have it. You know, I, I get a game that said cakes. Big daddy cakes. We called it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big dad cakes. Yeah. Yeah. No, you would, it could be a tag team. Oh, my man. Calm down, Adam. I see this now. That's cool, man.

I mean, yeah, I'm a little jealous. Yeah. I like it, dude. I like it. Well, yeah, I agree. I love the advice. I think you could mold cardio to work, but I think what Sal said is perfect. And it makes a lot of sense that if you've got the extra time, if you've got the extra

two days of lifting, you're better off putting in it towards a craft that if you've got the extra time, if you've got the extra two days of lifting, you're better off putting in it towards a craft that is going to improve your craft. Because I imagine that's your body fat percentage or your ability to bench press 50 more pounds is probably not what's going to make you a pro wrestler. It's going to be your skills in the ring and maybe your personality and those things. So doubling and tripling down on those things is far better off than I would do I would either do judo or Greco if you can find a class that does either one and just go train with those guys and that'll give you some some nice carry over to pro wrestling All right, I mean, I just I love lifting so it was that's not what I want to hear

I want to do I want to do both So it was that's not what I want to hear. I want to do I want to do both. Hey listen. If you really want to be if you really want to be a prolett wrestler, I think that's what South saying is really good. Oh yeah. It's for your sons. Yeah, forget.

Yeah, for your whole man. He's gonna hold that in. You got to do it. You got to do it for your kids. Yeah. He said angle on him instead of picking up weights, I got to pick up human bodies. That's it man.

100% brother. That's right. Do you have maps in a ballac by the way? Because we can send that to you. I think the foundational workouts and there will be will be better. Just pick one a week. Oh, yeah. I have like I said, I have every program except a PD. I actually just finished a map in a ballac. Okay. So I guess, I guess my other question is like aside from that, because it's going to be about seven months after the seven months What should I do as far as a program because I mean well? We know if you're a pro by then or not?

I Mean I'm certainly not gonna be a pro, but I'll at least have my first match under me Okay, I mean to me that to me I'm I'm staying I know and it's probably gonna be hard for you to hear because you already admitted how much you love your weights But sounds advice. Yeah, if you want to be a pro wrestler I mean I can tell from the video. You're not a small guy. You got muscle on you, dude You got plenty of muscle on you. Yeah, I mean double triple down on your crap The technique in the skill of wrestling is so important. Yeah, that that's where I'm in place I would and the stamina and the longevity of it to not get injured You need the technique.

That is everything. I mean, when people throw you, if you don't know how to fall right and you guys don't work together well, to me, when you become a pro, then worry about looking sexy. Exactly. Then when you become a pro, then we can talk about diet and looking even more at us to your shows. Yeah.

So for now, if you want to become a pro, then the advice that South's given, I think, is spot on. And it stays that way beyond seven months. It stays that way until you become a pro. That's how I would think. Yeah, percent. Yeah. Yeah, when I did the two minutes, I mean,

I was already gassed out from the 45 minutes, because, you know, doing the stairs and the firements, carries, and everything else. And he couldn't get me down. And like I said, he was doing it for like six years. So he's doing it a lot longer than me. And he was getting mad. He couldn't take me down.

So he ended up like scooping me up on my shoulder. On his shoulders, like Brock Lesnar and just dumping me on my head. So I just got dumped on my head and I popped up. I finally took him down. I just cranked his neck as hard as I could to put them to sleep because I wasn't gonna lose. But it was the hardest two minutes of my life.

It was only two minutes. The stamina that's required for grappling, the best way to build stamina for that is to grapple more. Yeah, this is where the carryover is. It's a whole different level of stamina. A different type of stamina involves a lot of static, specific adaptation, strength and stability combined with cardiovascular, you know,

and so you wanna get better at grappling, you gotta grapple more, that's about a mile. Sounds good, I appreciate you guys, I really do. I've been listening to you guys since, I wanna say 2017 and just a sidebar. Do you guys remember when you were shouting people out and you shouted, you bedford downtown post office? Yeah, I do remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm the guy who started it. Oh

I'm from Mount Pleasant and I got two of the guys into it and then it was like a domino effect. So I'm the starter There's no there's no beef no there's no beef between us. It was just When I when I heard them get shout out, I'm like, well, I got to get a shout out too. I started well You're here. You're on it bro. You're on the show big daddy And you a you You stick with it will come watch you how's that sound dude? I'll come I'll come watch you go be come a pro for those boys Hell yeah, all right. I appreciate that guys. Thanks so much take it easy Alright brother, but when we're talking about pro wrestling, I just kept picturing what you guys are

Hey, team I would have one of those Captain King I don't have no mess all like Elmuchotos I want to be the who is the who is the guy for the Bret Hart with the mic the microphone and I was the one who you guys He's like razor Ramon, but that's right. No, no, no, no, no rick ravishing Rick Rueck Rueck. That's a Measley's god and a picture of it ravishing Rick Rueck because that's at a right there No, I think I think 100% we were right. He came up with a good excuse

Cut out because the rest of the bro do that for my kids for sure that say that for sure that pitch was to close the wife for sure that my son yeah yeah she's like god damn it what do I see yeah no you know you got me here so you know a lot of people so pro wrestling it's scripted but it's just like any other grappling except for you it's a sport and you need to work together very well because you could really get hurt you and so it's very technical. It's extremely technical. So the time he's going to spend in the gym is like he's wasting that time. Well, I mean a classic example to that point is you guys saw the big news that came out right this last week with Logan Paul signing with the WWE. So he

just signed with the WWE. He's got all kinds of years of wrestling behind his belt. And you could tell by him going out there, I mean, he only practiced for like six weeks, going into it, but he was a natural, but he's a natural because he's been practicing wrestling for his whole life. You gotta know how to fall, how to throw. There's different skills techniques and working together. And so you just gotta spend your time doing that.

And Jim, you know, once a week, Max. Our next caller is Michael from Virginia. Michael, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Oh, hey, guys. Um, yeah, I just want to say thank you for taking my call. I'm a big fan of you guys. It's a little bit you do. So thank you for that. No problem. Thank you. Who's Duncan in the background? I can't see from here. Who's that? It's a sign Williamson. Oh, I think that's really nice. Are you happy with the signing or what? Did you, would you, were you happy with the big deal he just got?

Oh yeah, oh yeah, I got to see him laugh a couple times. I'm a big debtor. Is he playing for the Wisconsin Wizards? Stupid dude, don't touch. Just stay quiet for more longer. I just stay quiet for a while. Right, this is the minute talking right now. Just be honest.

Continue. All right, ask your question, bro. Yeah, so I wanted you guys advice on growing the outside, of side for the chest that connects to the upper arm and gives it, you know, the real round and look near the armpits. I have decent development in my chest, but I've always noticed it's a little bit of a lag in part for me. I have good strength and I have a good bench press, but I don't really see the fullness in it. I do high reps, lower movements as well, like dips and flies to try to get a good stretch at that point, but I'm not seeing the results that I want. I understand the way the chest fibers run

and there's no real outer chest, but I would just love to hear your guys thoughts on this. Yeah, I mean, you hit the knee on the head. If you look at the anatomy of the, so you have the pectoralis major and the pectoralis minor. Okay, so major, you attach it at the humerus and then all along the sternum. Then there's the peck minor,

which is kind of on the outer part. And you really can't isolate, outer and inner. Now you could do upper and lower because of the way the muscle fibers attach on the sternum. But inner, outer, really there's no use in trying to isolate one or the other. It's just about developing the chest overall and building the chest overall. So I would focus chest overall and building the chest overall. So, I would focus just overall on building the chest and you can do your upper and lower

chest exercises to give you that balance. But when it comes to upper and inner, really, that's just a genetic thing for the most part. The best answer I feel for this depends completely on what you do consistently and what big exercise do I think you're missing or you're not doing enough? What are you doing for your chest? So for example, like incline bench press, obviously flat bench press, both dumbbell and barbell, obviously flies, dips.

I would categorize it as some of those, that's the meat, right? And then when I think of all those big lifts for the chest that are going to develop the chest the most, I would categorize it as some of those, that's the meat, right? And then when I think of all those big lifts for the chest that are gonna develop the chest to most, I would ask you, okay, which ones are you really consistent with that you do most of the time and which one do you think you neglect the most of the time? And the ones that you neglect, I would put you to focus on that.

So like maybe you're not like a big weighted dip guy. You don't ever really do that for the chest. Maybe that's not, that would now become in our routine. We are going to get strong at weighted dips and see what that does for your chest. Maybe you're a guy like I was in my 20s where I skipped incline a lot because I was weak in incline.

I hated doing incline bench because I had to reduce the weight so much compared to my flat bench. And I wanted to bench heavy weight. So I did incline but infrequently in comparison to flat until one year I said, okay, my goal is to make my incline equal to my flat bench and I did mostly incline for a year and my chest blew up. So really, you know, tell me what is your chest for Tumaga and after I've listed those, are there any exercise I listed that

you think that you neglect and comparison the others? Yeah, probably weighted dips. I normally just do body weight for about 8 to 10 reps or so. Yeah, you can try messing around with heavier weight, lower reps, 8 to 10 is not bad with dips. You can even try banded dips and going higher reps up to 15 so you can mess around with the reps there. But we're looking at overall chest development, is really what you want to focus on. You ever do a guillotine press? That's a good exercise for the upper chest. A lot of people don't do.

No, I've never done that before. Just sketchy looking one. It is. It's a go light with it, but it's an interesting one. It works really well for the upper chest. But really, it's about overall chest development. Upper, I'm sorry, inner outer. You're not going to isolate one or the other.

How's your shoulder mobility and stability around the shoulder joint specifically? And do you do a lot of like overhead press? Yeah, I do a lot of standing barbell press, military press, and I don't really ever have shoulder pain when benching with barbells or dumbbells. Okay, so there's no issue there in terms of range of motion and depth and all that kind of stuff like you're able to hit that

pretty easily. Yeah. Thanks. Are you following one of our programs? I'm not currently. Oh, fuck. Well, there you go. There's your problem right there. That's the problem. Finally, we get to your follow some other clouds program online. That's the reason why your chest is not as big as it should be, bro. You have the wrong recipe We could have totally cut all that crap out I asked that question. We're just shooting the dark over here. Yeah. How long you been working out for Michael? Uh, just about two years. All right, we're gonna send over

Let's start with maps and a ballic Do the three foundational workout a week Variation then following that you could do their maps performance or maps aesthetic variation, then following that, you could do their mass performance or maps aesthetic. But follow maps in a ballac as it's laid out, do three foundational workouts a week, so do that option. And then on the trigger session days, focus on chest exercises with bands. Do that and see what happens. Where you kind of write in your own routine before or you follow in somebody's. I've never really followed a script or program. Oh, shit. Well, here you go, bro.

That's gonna make a big difference. Yeah. Follow the program. I guarantee you stick the program. You'll notice a difference in your chest at the a script or program. Oh, shit. Well, here you go, bro. That's gonna make a big difference. Follow the program. I guarantee you, you stick the program, you'll notice a difference in your chest at the end of the program. Yeah, you gotta ask for directions, you know what I mean? Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, yeah.

You got it, man. Yeah, we got you. Don't act too excited on your wife. Just give you a free program. Don't act too excited there. We're working on your energy. You're gonna have to do work. These are like your son, bro.

That's the five or seven. That's like five or seven. That's all you get Cool story. We got a six there. I saw that smile. That's all right. We're just thanks for calling and Michael We'll send you maps and a ball follow that program. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you guys so much. You got it, bro Thank you, bro. Is he not your son right there? Get excited man. Yeah, just give you a free part. This one a big choice. You good? We'll help you. Yeah, you know, we used the old bodybuilding advice

was this is for inner chest. So this is for lower biceps. It's the right, waste of time. Total waste of time. You know why that stuck around and still is still around is because what it ends up doing is the point I was trying to make, it gets somebody to do something they weren't doing before. Yes

You know, it's like oh if you do this exercise for your inner is like oh, I never do that That's what I've been missing they start doing the they see a difference with chess and then they think oh it was that exercise I was like no it was the novelty you've been doing the same bullshit for your chess for so many years You finally did something different and it's like so and I really think the ones that I was listing off the you know The dumbbell barbell flat flat, incline, benches, your flies, and then your dips are like the meat for your chest. Totally.

And typically when I meet somebody, I know he was very... They do like one or two of them. Exactly. There's always, you know, he just said dips, but I call bullshit. Like, you're probably, there's probably a couple of those that you're neglecting, or there's definitely one you favor, and the one you favor, you need to back off a little bit and replace it with one of those other ones, and you'll

see a difference. You'll get, you'll start to tap into, not quite, but you'll get a little bit of those newbie games, right? Sure. Because the exercise you don't often practice, right? You'll see the strength go up, and then the muscle typically follows. Look, if you like Mind Pump, if you love this show, check out Mind Pump Free.com. We got a lot of free guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal.

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