Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1864: The Best Way to Target Butt Growth, How to Build Strength Stamina, the Truth About Essential Amino Acid Supplements & More (Listener Live Coaching

Episode Date: July 23, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Protein is as CLOSE as you can get to a magical macronutrient. (3:09) Heritage pork from Butcher Box hits different! (17:48) So, you want to build a sex room? (22:55) Rage has become the machine. (27:05) The Stranger Things effect. (28:35) Will Sal be in a music video?! (34:08) A throwback to Adam’s old photoshoots. (36:26) Have a drink, and keep that Zbiotics on hand. (48:24) #ListenerLive question #1 - Is there a way to grow the glutes/legs, without growing the back/upper body? (52:06) #ListenerLive question #2 - If you put in the work consistently over a long period of time, should everyone be able to lift 225 lbs. for bench press, 315 lbs. for squat, and 450 lbs. for deadlift? (1:01:33) #ListenerLive question #3 - How can I improve my endurance in the gym while deadlifting? (1:14:24) #ListenerLive question #4 - Would you recommend supplementing with essential amino acids, if I am struggling to meet my daily protein intake? (1:24:34) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! July Promotion: RGB Bundle or MAPS Suspension 50% off! **Promo code JULY50 at checkout** Relatively high-protein or 'low-carb' energy-restricted diets for body weight loss and body weight maintenance? Mind Pump #1837: Manage Your Blood Sugar & Lose Body Fat With Kelly LeVeque The Myth of Optimal Protein Intake – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1815: Improving Fat Loss, Muscle Gain And Fitness With Continuous Glucose Monitors BEST DAMN AIR FRYER PARMESAN GARLIC PORK CHOPS WHAT ARE HERITAGE BREED PIGS? Watch How To Build a Sex Room | Netflix Official Site Rage Against the Machine called to 'abort the Supreme Court' at their first concert in 11 years Watch Stranger Things | Netflix Official Site Metallica x Stranger Things Instagram Post Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! How To Do A Barbell Hip Thrust The RIGHT Way! (FIX THIS!!!) How To Sumo Deadlift (The RIGHT Way) | Jordan Syatt The Only Way You Should Be Doing Bulgarian Split Squats! (BUTT GROWTH) MAPS Symmetry PEAK STRENGTH: At What Age Are We Strongest? MAPS Powerlift MAPS Strong How To Improve YOUR Work Capacity (6 MOVEMENTS) | MIND PUMP COUNTRY STRONG?? Increase YOUR Work Capacity (2 EXERCISES) | MIND PUMP Mind Pump #1860: Fourteen Of The Best Foods For An Amazing Physique Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Kelly LeVeque (@bewellbykelly)  Instagram Larry (@larrywheels)  Instagram Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram

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That program is also 50% off. It's only happening this month. So if you're interested, go to mapsfitinistproducts.com and then use the code July 50 for that discount. Alright, here comes the show. Protein. It's as close as you can get to a magical macronutrient. They just did another study that showed that a low calorie diet, yes, it does cause fat loss, but if the low calorie diets high in protein, you get better health outcomes, more fat loss, you keep more muscle, you got better satiety, blood fat loss, you keep more muscle, you got

better satiety, blood lipids even look better. It's another study showing that protein makes a very big difference. Are you telling me the bros were right again? I'm telling you, well the bros are pretty good. Jim bros. No, so check this out, check out the study, right? You're so bad though, I think you like literally have, I think we've titled an episode of like protein is not the magical supplement.

Well, you know what, I'm not really sure. People can over mean, people can over do it. Check out the study, right? So this was a study, the title of it was relatively high protein or low-carb energy restricted diets for body weight loss and body weight maintenance. So this is the, I'll read the abstract to you. Low-carb diets have been suggested to be effective in body weight management. However, these diets are relatively high in protein as well. So the objective was to an arousal, whether body weight loss and weight maintenance depends on the high protein or the low carb component of the diet.

So they literally took two low carb diets. Yeah, but isn't that kind of obvious, right? If it's, if it's, if, holy on a, holy on the muscle is more related to lower carb or to higher protein. No, no, so let me break it down. That's not confusing to me. They followed people for a year who both, in both groups, followed a lower, a low carb

low calorie diet. But the difference was one group had more protein in their diet and the other group had less protein, so they had more fat, right? So the difference was the protein. They the all low calorie, all low carb. And what they found was that the higher protein intake resulted in better outcomes across the board, more weight loss, more fat loss, better, now HDL lip blood lipid, you know,

triglycerides look better. Like it was just, it was healthier and better for aesthetic goals. What? It's related somewhat to what, I forget her name that we had on the podcast, talking about like blood sugar, consistent level Kelly, Kelly, yeah. Could be because also part of that study, they showed that the insulin response was better in the high protein. So what were the controls on the protein?

Right. You said, you said just low and then high protein. So what are higher protein? So what was it? Was was one group under their RDA or they above it? And then one group was way above it like it because that matters, right? Because if if one group is is grossly under eating protein and the other one is just eating adequate protein or I mean, that's pretty obvious to me, right? Yeah. That's a good question. It would be different. I think it would be more compelling of a study if both groups had at least adequate protein,

but one group had higher by say 20% or something like that. Well, here's what it is. It was 15% of the calories from protein versus 30%. Oh, okay. Of the calories coming from protein. So double, both are in deficits though. So that's- Both in deficits, both low-car.

Okay. But the high protein group did better. Almost every matrix, there was emotional eating, they did better. Hunger score, they did better. HDL, they had a larger rise. A much bigger reduction in triglycerides. Insulin response was better. Body fat percentage went down more and weight went down more

from the high protein group. So it's just better across the board. Now of course there's always individual variances. So this really does highlight that protein is something you should aim for, especially if your calories are low. If you were comparing this like as if they were two diets, you would use the ketogenic diet

and then what other one would you use to compare that? I think you would go high protein ketogenic or more of a low protein ketogenic, like the classic ketogenic, right? Yeah, because classic ketogenic is not high protein. No, and the goal of classic ketogenic, just so people know, it was medical, it was medically applied.

And the goal was to get ketones as high as possible to treat certain medical conditions, like epilepsy, for example. But no, most people who follow these days, most people are not on a ketogenic diet for medical reasons. Like, I don't have you guys people are not on a ketogenic diet for medical reasons. Like, I don't have you guys ever met anyone doing a ketogenic diet?

No, everybody is a ket... No, they're all doing it for fat loss. For fat loss, right? They heard it from some biohacker. That's usually how I find out. Yeah, exactly. And you know, it's funny when keto was a big thing, there was even a lot of messages about,

oh my God, I don't need too much protein, Kiki had a ketosis. That could be a bad thing. Well, no, actually, it's, I mean, unless it's for medical reasons, no, you want the protein to be high. So this is really, it's just another, it's another study.

And what I like about this is they were both locality. And everything else was very similar. The only difference was this group ate more protein than that group. So is Amtore really just overhyped? At this point, if we're gonna go back and revisit some of our earlier stances of some of the crazy versions of how far he can go with protein intake

and the dangers of that versus now, like seeing how beneficial. Well, I think if you go extreme, so let's say a guy who weighs 180 pounds, right? And he's high protein would be like 180 grams of protein. I look, I've known people to go two and a half three times body weight, right? But what happens with that doesn't leave much room for other other macronutrients. Would you really consider 180, 180 really high? I would consider that like good.

I wouldn't consider that for the average person. It's high. Oh, okay. So I'm person, it's high. Okay, so for, I'm not talking about bodybuilding. Okay, average person, they're normal. Because the average person, it grossly under-consuming. They don't get close to that.

Yeah, I mean, almost every, like, I mean, I feel like you have this category of fitness enthusiasts and bodybuilder type people, and then you have the average person. The average person, and the difference in protein intake is, well, look, dramatically. If you're 180 pound male and you want to eat

250 grams of protein, you're probably going to be taking at least 100 grams of protein in. In protein powder. Because it's really hard. So there's that extreme, right? There's that extreme. And studies don't show any additional benefit from going above about a gram per pound of body weight.

Really, I haven't seen any studies that really showed too much benefit going above that. So that's when I say high protein, that's what I'm referring to. But yeah, it's just another study showing the value of eating protein in controlling insulin and health parameters, fat loss, muscle, controlling satiety. You know, that's the direction you wanna go.

I mean, I'd say it's one of the most basic strategies that I stick to year-round. Like, you know, we just came off a bunch of vacations where I drank and I ate out and I enjoyed myself had dessert here and there. But one of the things that I've learned has helped me through those times is not telling myself I can't enjoy those moments,

can't have drinks, well, I'm gonna enjoy my drinks with my friends, I'm gonna do these things. But making sure that I'm always targeting protein first and getting a protein meal. So if I'm like, oh, for example, we had cinnamon rolls one night, right? I had bought these cheap generic cinnamon rolls and I had been craving and I wanted to have those.

But first I wanted to, I had this big old 10 ounce chicken meal with rice before I let myself have that versus in the past. You know, I'm already starting to get a little hungry. Oh, the cinnamon rolls are cooking. I'm just gonna go crush three of those or have something else quick and then that and then or fill up on the cinnamon roll. Instead, I go, okay, I'm still gonna go crush three of those or have something else quick and then that and then or fill up on the Simmons war instead. I go, okay, I'm still gonna enjoy a Simmons rule.

And what ends up happening is I don't even eat a full one because I get a couple bites of it and I'm already get that satisfied and I'm okay because I just ate before that. I have found that strategy as one of the best ways to kind of mitigate the weight gain over like a vacation here. Totally, same here, it's easy, too. Yeah, and it's really easy.

And it's not restrictive, you're not telling yourself, you can't have the drink, you can't do this, you're just saying like, hey, I know my body needs this much protein. If I, all this muscle I was working, I worked my ass off for the earlier part of this year, before I went on this little three week vacation of not really training, kind of enjoying myself,

I don't want it to all go away because I grossly under consume protein every single day and I make bad food choices. So all I'm gonna tell myself is, hey, outta make sure every meal, you get a good serving of protein, eat that first, and then hey, if you wanna have a drink, or hey, and I swear, that has made the biggest difference

on the swings I used to go through. That was just gonna say, so when we did the episode with the dietician who works with continual glucose monitors and I talk about how eating protein first blunts that blood sugar and insulin response. Like if you eat the protein first, then go have the cinnamon rolls, the crappy behavioral, the crappy feelings you get after

when that crash happens, which you might not even feel a crash, you just might notice more cravings or irritability or maybe your energy's a little off, right? It helps control that. So you could still have the cinnamon rolls. You just had the protein first. Now back to what you said just about mTOR,

so I'm not an expert at mTOR, but I know a little bit about it. And I know mTOR is mammal million target rep of myocin, is what it stands for. And it's a driver of cell growth in particular, muscle growth. It also can drive cancer, right? But I'm going to use an analogy because a lot of, there's a lot of fear around anything

that can cause cancer to grow. So let's use testosterone, for example. I don't think, I don't think I have to argue that having high normal levels of testosterone is healthier for men. There's tons and tons of studies on this to show that improves quality of life. If men's testosterone levels are in the high normal range, they're better off when it comes to heart disease or better off when it comes to dementia, Alzheimer's, muscle, fat, mobility, quality of life, libido, all these different things, right? If you have a testosterone-sensitive cancer

testosterone can outfuel cancer. So I have prostate cancer, and I'm in that state, and I have super high testosterone, that can actually drive the growth of that cancer. Okay, so M-tore in the context of normal is perfectly fine. High M-Tore in the context of cancer can definitely drive cancer, but so can carbohydrates, proteins, and even fat. Whatever is going to feed it.

Yes, because they're cells. From early, yeah. So what they do is they say, oh my god, M-Tore, we don't want to get that too bad. About the only thing that's going to help it is fasting it, right? Totally. So that's the problem is they'll say, oh, M-Tore, oh, you know, you don't want to raise that too much because then you're going to get, oh, you don't want to raise that too much because then you're going to get,

no, it doesn't work that way. Well, you just cause so many of those alarmist articles. Yes. And so that's why I bring that up because it's just like, it's one of those things you'll get. We have this split division of wellness people versus like performance and, you know, the kind of bodybuilder sphere.

And so I always would then see wellness practitioner kind of like really mentioned, like you got to really restrict a lot of the protein intake because of this. And so yeah, I kind of had that sense it was a bit overhyped. It was just like always in sort of the conversation though. Yeah, I think it's part of the whole propaganda. We've talked about this the whole,

like everybody needs to stop eating me propaganda. Have you guys ever gone on phases where you try to go kind of lower protein, just to see how your body responds and feels. It's good to step away for a bit. I feel good when I go low protein for a day, but I'm also going low calorie for a day. So it's almost like fasting.

So that's the same, that's my only, so I've done it before where it's like that, a day a couple of days, where I've done it for extended periods of time. And what I find going back to the point I was just making with my vacation is if I do, if I start stringing consecutive days together, my body just pairs down muscle fat.

I mean, I will lose weight, but I'll lose muscle as fast as I am losing body fat when I do not hit my protein and take consistently. But having a day where I take a complete break, a fast type of day, or just a really low calorie, low protein to a day, I feel phenomenal from that. I noticed that. Yeah, and I think it has more to do with just taking a break. You know, because if it was, if it was a low protein high

calorie day, I think I'd feel like crap. You know what I mean? I, I, same thing out of my five-go low protein for two, for, you know, three, four, five days in a row. I starts I'd feel like crap. You know what I mean? I'd same thing. Adam, if I go low protein for three, four, five days in a row, I start to not feel so good. I can definitely tell in my muscle and in my energy. Yeah, I think it's just a lot of work for your digestive system. It's going to be constantly inundating it with protein. And so to step away from that and allow things to kind of work their way through. So I'll just fast or maybe I'll just focus on every now and then I'll be like, okay, maybe I'm not getting a fiber.

I need to really address that and then maybe back off the protein a bit. Now that advice though, I'm only giving that to other fitness enthusiasts like ourselves. Because I feel like for most of my career, clients that I train struggle to consistently approach it. It's hard. Especially unless you're naturally like, I bet a few clients that are like huge meat eaters and they love eating meat and those tend to be the clients that

are easier to hit those targets. But unless you're somebody who like absolutely loves eat lots of meat, it is really tough to hit 130, 150, 200 grams for bigger guys like a protein. Well, day in a day out. Let's put this in context Adam So let's say the average woman weighs I don't know what the average woman was to say 140 pounds I don't know if that's the average, but let's just say the average woman weighs 140 pounds and a six ounce chicken breast is about 35 grams 36 ounces so it's a good size chicken breast Yeah, you got the what 12 what 18 ounces or something like that to get 130, 140 grams, maybe more. Yeah.

That's a lot of chicken breast that you'd have to, how much steak would that you'd have? Well, you're talking about like, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48, is gonna maybe eat one of those at each meal. And that would mean she needs four of those. So four of her meals need to be this big old chicken breast and then whatever carboa starch or whatever that she's gonna go with that.

And just that's not common. It's not common that I would get a client that be like, oh yeah, I'm definitely knocking that out every day, no problem at 135 pound female. Like no. So they, most people, and most people think they eat a lot because they're like, oh yeah, at every meal, I tend to have a protein.

Well, yeah, okay, well, if you only eat on average, because the average person only eats twice a day. I have three turkey slices. We'll say something like that. Yeah, sure. Or the mistake I used to make as a kid, like I was a kid, I remember getting like, deli sandwiches.

You know, deli's put two to four ounces of meat on your fucking sandwich. That's nothing. Four ounces of turkey. And that's a large, good's a large, good, like, togos or one of those sandwich places, and you get a large, sounds like four ounces of meat on there. And even doubled up, which feels like a ton of meat

for the average person, just only eight ounces. I know, I was just like, I'm behind in lists. That's literally what I'm targeting directly first. Like, I need to get the meat established, and like, this is the priority of the meal, and then I'm gonna build around that. But yeah, like I, have you guys had any of the pork chops? Like I just just speaking about meat,

like Courtney started to make it an air fryer. You was holding, you mean the butcher box ones? Yeah, this guy's been talking about it for a year. Are they not the best? I haven't had it yet. That's right. The heritage, yeah, you've been mentioning this. They taste better than normal pork, though.

Okay, so I finally had it and it was phenomenal. How'd you cook it? So it was in the air fryer, which was, you know, I didn't think, anyway, she found a recipe for it. It makes it really juicy and it's not like, sometimes the worst part about pork, if you do it wrong, it gets really dry and it's like, yeah. So it was like perfect, but then you guys

will make fun of me for this, but like, as she just added a little crust of like it's like a Parmesan like a cheese or something with like some garlic. It's good. Oh my God. It is so good. But yeah, so that was like that's literally my meal today again. Like I like my whole meal is like, okay, now I'm gonna take the meat that we cook last night and then I'm gonna keep, you know, making that the priority throughout the week is like, you cook this, and then I'm gonna, like, did you watch how she, so did she actually put the crust on in the air fryer and it melted into it or after the fact? Do you remember?

That's a good question. I think it was afterwards. Oh, okay. Where she put it in like the oven to kind of crust it. Ah. Yeah, I think that's how, how she did it. Yeah, I'm telling you, I've been saying this, and I'm glad you finally tried them.

I still have a... Heritage pork tastes way better than the regular stuff. I am not a pork fan at all. I'm not, I never like pork shops. Everybody's like, I never like them. Yeah, me either. Then I butcher box, I don't remember when it was, it was a while ago, but they had like,

you know, sometimes they run like specials on certain things, like add-ons, that's what it's box add-ons. So I'm like, all right, I'll give this a shot. And Jessica made them, and I was, I wasn't that excited on my, all right, pork whatever, we got it. And it's one of my favorite things now. And it just tastes different.

I couldn't figure out why it tastes. I thought it was the way she made it. And she does make it good. It's the heritage pork. Well, I've told you guys that I've compared, I mean, I could, I think Doug and I both cooked the ribs this weekend. So I mean, I'm, I'm,

it's pork ribs. Yes. Yeah, and consistent with them, because I've tried other sense that, since we like, I mean, we've been working I'm from pork ribs. Yes. Yeah, and consistent with them because I've tried other sense that since we like I mean we've been working with butcher box for a few years now and there's been multiple times where I've had to go get Other pork because I just didn't have it and I already used up my butcher box pork ribs And so I wouldn't get this grocery store and they just not even close to not even close to the butcher box It's the I've now I like, I won't even cook ribs

unless I have that. It's the breed. Maybe Doug, you can look up Heritage Pork versus Conventional. I'd like to see if they look different. Like, what's the deal? Yeah. With these. It's how they're raised, no?

It's a breed. That's definitely a different flavor. It's a different flavor. Oh, it's actually a breed. I'm pretty sure it's a different. Yeah. Oh, I thought it was how they're raised. No, I know that they're raised.

So obviously they have different standards, right? Butcher box, like Grass Fed, and it have to be, you know, a raised. No, I know that they're raised, so obviously they have different standards, right? But your box at Grass Fed and you have to be, you know, a particular way. So I know there's that, but I've had no antibiotics in hormones. I've had that other pork like that. It doesn't taste the same. I think it's a breed if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know what you find it, Doug. An original breed of pig found on pig farms before the industrial agricultural boom. Yeah, so it's different. So it's an old one. Can you look up a picture and see a heritage poll? So maybe it's a combination of that of not only how they're fed,

and then on top of that, it's also a different breed of pig, huh? Interesting. Must be more expensive than. I mean, I wouldn't you, I think it's not. Oh wow. I have a picture here.

They have hair. Can you pull it up? It's a little more wild. Yeah, a little more wild maybe. Yeah, maybe pull up a picture here that they have hair. Can you pull it up? It's a little more wild. Yeah, a little more wild maybe. Yeah, maybe pull up a picture on the TV. Yeah, because it's crazy how quick that happens too. If you've ever, like, if you've- Oh, shit, they look like a domestic pig.

They look like a sheep pig. Oh, wow. Yeah, they grow hair and then tusks pretty quickly. Oh, all pigs. Yeah. Okay, so you know that if you take a, you probably know this, because you were around farms,

you take a pig and you put it in the woods it changes like it's self doesn't that like the next generation I didn't know that I didn't know that no no no we didn't turn it like free any pigs I mean I do got some farm knowledge, but I've knew that. I mean that's like wild knowledge Yeah, there was like this one. I remember reading the story really so if you set a almost like werewolf like that Yeah, the bro tusks and the wild on the wrong their body adapts that fast. Yes There was this one. Okay, that's fascinating. So there was this one world record Wild hog that was shot by a hunter and it was a massive I remember seeing the pictures years ago

Massive look like a bore, but it was huge. I'm like, this is crazy. I don't know, they got that big. But then you read in the article and they're like, it was a domesticated pick, because they get bigger, right? They're domesticated ones. That went into the woods. Yeah, and then became survival mode. Yeah, and they get really big.

I know, and that weird. That's what's weird about that is like, okay, so you're like their body knows. Yeah, and well, even that even if it did Know you would think that it would take years to adapt. Yeah, no like generations of having more pigs before finally turned into like a wild pig The fact that it like that same pig that's yeah, imagine if I happened to us. Let go in the woods I feel like there's some there's some signs why I live in the woods there like that adaptive process like we should be able to tap into it Tap into that turn turn us into a superhero.

Yeah. Big man. Man, bear pig. I did not know that. I did not know that. Is that weird? You dropped some farm knowledge on me right there. Super wild, impressive.

Anyway, I got to tell you guys about your show on Netflix that I found. What? I don't remember the name of it. Maybe Doug confi- Cauchon our audience always, whatever you give. I already know what 20 days is, because it's okay. Oh, you do? Well, yeah, I'm just going

to guess because there's like the suggested new shows out and there's one about a sex room. I'm like, this is probably up sales out. Yeah. I'm right. It didn't get suggested to me. I don't know. I guess I'm in that loop too.

Yeah. I can't deny that. So this, so what it is, here's the premise of the show. It's actually kind of interesting. So this woman, you know all these like home renovation shows, right? We're all designed like whatever, right? Anyway, this woman, she's a top designer,

goes to these people's homes and designs a sec, she calls it a sex room. Now, some couples just want a room that's kind of like a spa where they can connect. Some families are coupled, I say families because there's like these polyamorous groups that we're also on the show, that want like specific types of sex rooms.

Yeah, I thought it was a bond agent. And you kinda, oh, some of them are. Okay. Some of them are wild. Like there's this one group that she met with where she meets with this couple and everybody kinda looks kinda different in the show. So you're like, what's the deal here?

Anyway, she's talking to this couple and they're like, oh yeah, all of our, we have our other partners. And so I guess they're a group that they're all together. It was like five or six of them, and they were into some pretty- Voltron. They were into some pretty kinky shit.

And so she asked them, what are your kinks? What is this? What are that? And then she designed the room around, and some of the rooms are great. Like this one was like a huge. This is like prime time TV. Bro, I know it was a huge shower in this one. There's like dildos on the walls and one of the rooms are great. Like this one was like a huge. This is like prime time TV bro.

I know it was a huge shower in this one. There's like dildos on the walls and one of them. Now how much of this do you think has been accelerated because of how much like pornography has accelerated in this? Are you kidding me? Pornography has changed so many things. That's what I mean.

So I mean, would you think that something like that, even like the TV show or even the profession for someone to do this would even exist 30 years ago? Uh, I think, oh, not at this scale. That's right. No way, not at this scale. Enough to obviously create a show or a person who has a job that actually does this.

I feel like it would be like a very small. Or just demand increase after like 50 shades of gray, you know, that whole book that came out in the movie and like it's sort of like in the culture now where it's like, oh, I just think ever since porn hub was having access on your phone. Dude, that's has to have accelerated that. That's a huge impact on our culture.

Massive impact. But yeah, Jessica and I are watching this and we're just like, why would you be on a show like this? Trying to get ideas or what? And that was, this guy's like, I mean, it's why you watch home and profit shows. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Hey, some of the rooms look really cool and nice. Some of them are like, why would I walk? Wow, they have attachments for drills. Oh, dude, they got a room. There's little, like, just, like, they seem normal like us. Appenis is up and down the wall. I'm like, I'm going, I'm going.

Swings everywhere. At some point when the room looks silly, like you come in and we're like, okay, we've had this for a few years, like this is kind of looking a little weird. I don't know. Plus, if you have an extra room in your house, is that the direction you wanna go?

We're gonna turn this into a... I mean, is this what we're gonna convert, garage it? It's like half that, half a guest room. You'll see that. No. There's a secret entrance, you know, you got a knock if you tell me. Yeah, we're in my sleeping.

Take a left at the dildo and then you go, I mean, I see something like that. I just think like two people found each other that were both like, you know, madly addicted to pornography for a long time. That's what I think. I think like, okay, two people that like would want to build a room like that.

They were both people that at one point. Some of the episodes don't like that. Like there was one where it was a couple and they're definitely like, you know, flirting and stuff and she tries to bring out the sexual stuff, the woman who does the interview or whatever the designer, but they they were both the worst previous, you know, marriages, they both brought kids into the relationship. They seem like a pretty genuine like normal or whatever you want to say,

couple and then he proposes to her in the room that they make. But the room was more of a like, spa, cool chill environment. But then again, like I said, there's some episodes where you're like, this is the, this is the, this is the, this is the cage you could put your boy from. Oh my God. This is the, this is the, this is the cage you could put your boy from. And beat him and then this is it.

I'm like, oh my gosh, this is going a little, that's kind of wild dude, a little too far. Anyway, let's talk about a music, I should say, rock band, I guess you could say that release disappointed me in the last few years. What happened? Raging in some machine. What happened? They're just so not, they should be called, they should call themselves.

They're so not raging anymore. No, they are the machine now. They're the machine. We became the machine. They were so counter like culture and this and that and their music. This is my same irritation with punk rock and like you know back in the day it was all about like kick in the system and you know challenging things and like being the one that's against the grain.

Yeah. You know now it's just like no like all the same voices are like you have to do this conform conform conform and like whatever the cause or whatever the thing is that culture and government is trying to impose, it's like, oh, you need to do that step in line. I mean, you expect anything different though. I'll force all four of them in there from like Harvard and stuff like that. I have no idea. Yeah, they all have like IVV, IV, really?

Really? Yeah, education, yeah. But they're all really smart. Oh my God. You know, look up the bands education. I'm pretty sure Rage has got a really high education. I mean, I love their music, so when I listen to it pretend that they're all really smart. Oh my god, you know, look up look up the the bands education I'm pretty sure Rage has got a really high. I mean, I love their music. So when I listen to I pretend that He's from Berkeley, I think right no, I think it's Harvard. I think I don't know I don't know They were talking about abolishing the supreme for the word yeah, there was like oh, we need to abolish the supreme court

Like what yeah, two of them are from Harvard. Yeah, yeah, I don't know Yeah, have you guys ever been to the one of their concerts? I've even have it. I was a bucket list for me I mean, I love Rageance machine. I just yeah, like you said, I was one of their concerts? I haven't had it. That was a bucket list for me. I mean, I love Rageance Machine. Like you said, I was bummed out because my two best friends did in Vegas and I missed out on it. I was supposed to go on the truck. I can't remember why.

I think it was working. You want to know what my kids got into? What? Metallica. Do you know why? Stranger Things. Crushing it. Stranger Things.

Okay, so not only that, and then the other song that was like an 80's song, I forget what the artist's name is, but like where she's putting it. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know who you're talking about. So yeah, so that show has done a lot for these artists and resurrected their popularity. Wow. And so their sales went through the roof, Metallica's sales went through the roof, really. New generation. New generation.

So the bassist now for Metallica, he used to be part of suicidal tendencies. His son, I believe, is in Stranger Things, like Jammin with the main guy that's like the sort of Dungeons and Dragons mask guy. So I would be so curious to be like a fly on the wall and the conversation leading up to all this. Like was that the intent? like was did Metallica like?

Well, so okay, so did they offer like a really good partnership or deal because they thought on the back end they were going to get all these crazy sales or did you did stranger things at the pay them but they're not. I bet you they approach. They have to pay them royalties or yeah. I bet you they approach Metallica. Okay, so you don't watch stranger things right? I actually did watch the first two seasons.

Oh, you did. Yeah, at least one and a half. Why don't you Stranger Things, right? I actually did watch the first two seasons. Oh, you did. Yeah, yeah, or at least one and a half Why don't you finish too scary? No, just not my I really enjoyed all the 80s references and I thought that was fun It was fresh over that but it kind of got old for me Yeah, so did you dog have the same experience? Yeah, I enjoyed it the last season I saw it just got way too outlandish I think that's what I discovered degrees like I once, once you got to saw the monster and stuff like that, it was like the suspense leading up to seem the monster

was cool. And then when you got to see it, it was kind of open. Well, the last season was this last one that came out, I thought was cool. I mean, everybody said it crashed. I heard it was amazing. But so obviously it's in the 80s. It's really good.

And one of the characters is like this kind of metalhead, right, kind of nerd type of thing. And there's a scene where they're in the, what do they call it, the upside down, where all the monsters or creatures are, and to attract or to cause a distraction, they're on the top of a mobile home, and he's playing the guitar in this dark, so it looks super metal, it looks like the cover of like an old metal bands, you know, but without cassette tape or whatever. And the song that they play, of all songs in Metallica, they pick Master of Puppet.

One of their most metal songs, right? You're putting the strings. Yeah, and my kids were like, loving it. So now my son's listening to Metallica all the time. Like, thank you Stranger Things. That's kind of cool. So we're like bombing, I'm like,

you know, this is one of the first songs I've ever played. Yeah, so I'm like, what you think, so you think that Stranger Things came after Metallica. I would think so, because it's kind of, it's like fun. Cause they're doing references, like in the, of course, like I guarantee they had in it's kind of, it's like, cause they're doing references like in the,

of course, like I guarantee they had in their mind. Can you look up Doug and tell me if they have to find a better, you know, like for that particular kind of vibe. Well imagine what a huge win that is for them. So they probably got paid on the front end, introduced a whole new generation. And they got a whole new generation into their music.

I mean, that could have a huge, what you saw that did for Queen when they were in a, a Wayne's world. Yes. I mean, that could have a huge. Well, you saw what that did for clean when they were in a Wayne's world. Yes. You know, oh my God. So got about that. Yeah, that's such a good point. That's why I'm asking this question because I mean, we've seen this happen enough times that maybe they didn't.

Maybe they came to them and said, hey, here's a deal. Like, we could pay you, you know, or, or what we could maybe their fans of the show and we're like, hey, you could use our right. So I'm curious if there was some sort of a deal that, and they kind of knew that this was potentially going to happen with such a popular show that there's a good chance that it was, and exactly like Wayne's, well, that's a great example.

We were driving, we were in the car and we had all just watched episode of Stranger Things and so I'm like, hey, do you guys know what that song is called or whatever, my daughter, you know, my daughter's 12. She's like, oh, that's Master of Puppance, that's Metallica. Oh, it's really cool. So I'm like, oh, do you guys know what that song is called or whatever? And my daughter, you know, my daughter's 12. She's like, oh, that's master of puppets. That's Metallica. Oh, it's really cool. So I'm like, oh, you know, that's the first song I worked out to. I said, did, are you, have you listened to any other music in that genre? From that era? Am I, my daughter? Again, my 12 year old, she goes, there's a song about a jungle

coming to the jungle. Welcome to the jungle. My, you listen to that too. I think, you know, it's my heart's just, you know, feeling with pride. I've been on a G&R kit lately too. I've been listening to that. I think that kind of gives me hope, you know? It's like maybe like the next, the generations coming up, we'll start getting back in into actually like people playing instruments.

Why? Just like hitting buttons like, do do do do do do do in the dream drop. Yeah. I feel like rock has let me down the roast. So I love all genres. Out of all of us, I probably listen to the most genres of music. And I listen to way less, like I listen to new,

there's new hip hop artists, dude, there's new country that I listen to. There's not a lot of new rock artists, dude. I go back to older rock. Yeah, it's been pretty dry. I have not found, and I know you've thrown a couple of my way and there's a few that I have on my on my on my playlist that I kind of like, but I mean, there hasn't been Metallica, Gianara, Pantera. There hasn't been a band like that. I can't see it now. You think so. Now with this new generation, it seems like

it's I've okay. So I hope so. I hope you'll bring back something that will be, that iconic that people will listen to it for. Throwing in reverse, I guess they're crushing right now. Is it like the zombie one? The one that you have to find? Yeah, well, when I was in Vegas recently, I saw a few old school metal shirts. Like the concert shirts.

Oh, okay, well, that's super popular right now, which is I think funny. And these are kids, yeah, but there's kids that are rocking that shirt. You can then like the concert. Oh, well, that's super popular right now, which is I think and these are the kids trendy Yeah, but there's kids that are rocking that shirt. You can then like target Yes, there's been I've seen kids rocking Nirvana shirts or that never fucking listen to Nirvana song before like There's a lot of that going on right now. Yeah, cuz trendy. Yeah, it's trendy and it's cool It's a mega death ones. Oh, yeah, no, that's it's become popular to wear like 80s rock like concert shirts And then half the kids don't even listen

Well speaking of music So it looks like I may be in a music No No, no, no, no, okay, so that that one journey man is gonna be oh the journey man Shut up, bro. Yeah, can we please make a t-shirt or something? I know, this is a neat one. This one, it's a quote that I did on a show, went viral, and not from that show specifically,

but lots of pages that have nothing to do with fitness or sharing it, and it's me saying, it's the journey that counts. I can't say that audio clip must be on TikTok somewhere, something where people can just grab it. Yeah, that's what I'm curious about. How is it being reproduced? I have no idea. By so many different people.

I have no idea, but I got a message from a music producer and he's like, Hey, I want to I want to sample this. Yeah. And put it on one of my so cool. You're gonna be kidding me, dude. I love it. No, I don't want to be. It's for the audience.

It's like it's a running we have our personal thread We're that we all communicate when we're not around each other and it's been the running joke that we call sell the journey Journey man journey man, and I say when we go places now We're gonna get we're gonna get recognized but none of us will get recognized It'll be just be sad to be like it's journey man journey man. I mean you huge pages though, huge pages, millions and millions of followers. Most of them don't even know. I've seen it on a red bull thing.

I saw it on Caesar Milan's page. I've seen it. Who else did I see it on? I mean, tons of massive pages. There's like business pages. Investment pages. That's the funny part. I remember we did those gifts where we're doing things.

So I've been recently tagged on a few of yours in mind and like one of them was like in this presentation for Microsoft, they're used like the stupid, in another like commercial campaigns have been using it for all that stuff. And I'm like, do people are gonna know us for all the random shit?

Not like the actual content, we're trying to help people. That would really show. Yeah, you know, it's funny, two people, people think, oh, if you trying to help people educate. Yeah, it's funny to people. People think, oh, if you just go viral with something like that, like you just, it's worthless. Yeah, it's worthless. No, it doesn't.

All it does is it gets me, I get random messages from like, family members I haven't talked to for a while. Yeah, look what I saw. Well, it just, it honors the wrong attention. Unless you're building a business specifically around something that's related to that, it's absolutely worthless. I don't know if you guys have been watching, I've been doing throwback posts of mind-pump

stuff. Yeah, so a lot of people have been like, oh, more of these. I mean, we're coming up on 10 years since we've been linked up. So it's like now it's a little... Has it really been almost a bit? Yeah, especially if you count the time that when you guys were starting to build, just now we're working on level up before we even got together. So I've got content from photos and things that we took

and shot and did before that, just like you guys do. So that's 10 years plus now, or right at 10 years. Yeah, 2012, 2013 time is when that was all happening. And so I've been sharing some of these old posts. And I shared this, one of these pictures I've never shared. And I'm meaning to, I'm gonna share for you guys, because I know you get a kick out of the swing or one of those stupid ones. Oh, we're here. Yeah. And I know you guys have seen, but nowhere else have seen. So I'll share it. We all have one of those. Yeah. So I'll share with the

audience. I'll share for the audience. They can make fun of me. But I did a post from that, from those shoots. I did a post in those shoots that, you know, back then, I didn't know what I was doing. Like, all I, my goal at that point, Justin was handling a lot of the tech side as far as managing all the project managers and the engineers and stuff like that. You were the thirst for that. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, really what it was was, was I saw the riding on the wall with social media. I mean, I saw what was happening with Instagram, Twitter, and this was before TikTok, it's an audience. And so, yeah, exactly. I wasn't stupid. I knew that we, no matter how amazing of an app, which by the way is a mistake I see people make all the time, is that they have this brilliant idea for an app,

but then they have nobody to sell it to. It's like, you could have the best app in the world. You don't have an audience to get it off the ground and get it going, you're never going anywhere. So, I knew that was gonna be paramount to the success of what we were trying to do So Justin was handling the back and stuff my goal was let's figure out how I can garner this attention So we had an audience and at the beginning I was just throwing spaghetti on the wall. I'm posting my car or my watch

I'm just watching what everybody all these other kids are doing and I remember going and getting that those these photos shoots You know, so wait, so I want to let's go back and talk early days. I mean please God if it hope Andrew posts this on the video so people can see I'm only giving them one I'm not giving them all over. Just see you know there's like a hundred that will no one's ever seen. Oh except for it made you your best friend like yeah taking the picture. Okay so even more amazing walk me through this so you you never did anything like this before you're like hey dude I need to do some like. So my buddy is a landscape photographer

and he's really good, he's really talented. It's actually a side hustle. He does weddings and stuff like that right now and then. This is my child, we go back to fourth grade. So we go way, way back. And he is totally not interested in anything I do. Still this day, like he don't give a shit about what I do or what I like. He's a principal and he's into other things

and like we actually don't have a lot in common and other where adults and stuff. But anyways, he's taking sexy pictures of me. Well, it kind of was like that, right? So first I had to lead up to how it got to that, right? So the first thing that gave my page traction, this is I actually got into the thousands, I think I'm close to like 10,000 followers this time was sharing my transformation and literally just like

With my iPhone and shitty lighting in the bathroom of like this what I looked like before This is and showing my progress start a lot of these like transformation pages back then when the a lot of those fitness pages Were sharing me and it was blowing me up And so that got me that first bit. Then I started noticing pages that were fitness influencers that were, and what I noticed was a lot of these kids that were much bigger than I, what they had done is they had professional photos. You could tell.

You could tell that mine was shot with an iPhone 4 or 5, whatever it was back then, and there's were being shot with like real DSLR cameras, and then they were uploading it on there, and I'm like, okay, I'm missing this like professional side. And at that point, I had gotten in really good shape. like, okay, I'm missing this like professional side. And at that point, I had gotten in really good shape. So, okay, I'm gonna do all these like, you know, shirt off, fucking photos, then I'm gonna take it.

My best, and at this point, I'm not trying to invest a lot in this because we're not making any money at this point. We're sinking all this money into this app. So, I start, I go to my buddy, said, hey, you know, I have some stuff. I'm trying to build of my fitness business right now, and would you take some photos for me

and now that I've gotten down to 7% body fat, so I thought, he's like, well, what exactly do you want? I'm like, well, I don't know, I think I have some ideas and it's just, I'm trying to gain more attention and traction to the page and stuff like that. So I'll share a couple and then maybe together we can collaborate and he's like, uh, yeah, okay, you know, you know, so I get there.

And it was of all my friends too, this is my buddy that's liked this too, is just the wrong one to do this with me because he's awkward, I'm awkward. Are these all your ideas? Really like, let me do the swing. No, no, okay, so that is actually a second, the second shoot, not the first shoot. I did like back-to-back shoots. And you do the first one, you, okay, so that is actually a second the second shoot not the first shoot the for I did like back-to-back shoots and

You do the first one you're like it's not risky enough. Let's go. No, no, so the first one I Steered actually a lot of those so the very first one I steered a lot of the poses because he my buddy was just like I don't fucking know what you want, you know, so did you make him spray you stuff? He is wife sprayed me What's like water? make him spray you stuff. He is wife sprayed me. Oh, what? What? What do you mean spray? It was like water, you know what I'm saying? So it was called. Come on, that's water in the process. It's a lot of the process, dude.

No, why would you know? How awkward was that in the day, why? It was never a fluffer, dude. It was never a good room. It was awkward as shit. It was awful, you know. I do want to point out, though, okay. A cover of a romance novel came from that.

Yeah, one of them turned out. Yeah, yeah. One of them, one of them penned out got some attention from somebody who's some author, 80 justice who writes romance novels that it ended up being on the phone. So can you tell us what some of the, we know you were on a swing on one. Maybe that's the one.

So that, okay, that's it. Okay, I'll share that once. Is that the one you guys think is so funny? Well, I haven't seen them all, bro. Oh, I'm not gonna show you. Oh, my god. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, all, bro. Oh, I'm not gonna show you. Oh, my God. Oh, no. I feel like we have. Okay, listen, okay. So let me explain what happened here.

You let me explain the rest of the story and I'll give you some detail of it. But I don't think I'll ever let it out. So the first she was my buddy, it was awkward as hell. I got a good amount of pictures from him, but at that point I realized, okay, I need to go see somebody, because I don't know what I'm doing.

I'm not comfortable doing this. I'm willing and I'm open, so I'm like, let me go find a photographer who shoots bodies. So I went to a, with a Budwah, Budwah, is that how I say it, Doug? What? Budwah, yeah. Yeah, Budwah, photographer.

The Budwah, first she's, kind of sexy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she specializes in that. She's really good for, I looked her up, found her in the Bay Area. And I said, okay, I'm gonna goizes in that she's really good for I looked her up found her in the Bay area and And I said okay, I'm gonna go to her and I'm not leading anything. I'm not gonna lead anything. I'm gonna let her Tell me like I told her the idea what I what I'm trying to accomplish and said you I'm serious game Yeah, I'm getting you say oh dude, so that was you to stroll her with a girl. I was naked I was naked by about 15 minutes in. Full on naked?

Full on naked. Full on naked. She had me do this photo. No, I don't forget this. I remember, look at that. Can you, hold on a second. Hold on, why are you naked? Are you showing your, are you showing everything?

No, no, I'm not showing. It's all hiding. Yeah, yeah, so she had me, she's pretending to be naked. And then she had me, because she asked me too, she's like, you know how game are you? I'm like, listen, I'm game, I'm whatever. You know what I'm saying?

I'm 21 months. 21 months. Yeah. Okay, whatever you think is gonna be good. Like I'll, I'll do this listen, I'm game, I'm whatever, you know what I'm saying? I'm 21 months. 21 months. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, whatever you think is gonna be good, like I'll do this stuff, right? So I was like totally open about it. And Adam, down. Yeah, yeah.

The thing is, she has me, um, just a naked, like hugging a bush, dude. So is that her? No, that's just, oh, give it a sad photography. Yeah, so yeah, that's the type of thing. Those are way better than Adam's. That's how she, look at those. Yeah, so that's the type of thing. Those are way better than atoms. That's how she looks at those. Yeah, yes. Hold on a second, so you're hugging a what?

A giant bush. So I'm naked and I'm like, I'm like, laying a bush. Legs and arms and I'm hugging it. Hold on a second, hold on a second. Yeah, yeah, I was like, what the, We got it, let's stop for a second. Let's, you got a pause for a second.

I'm never showing you that. That voice in your head, was it like, Yes, it was fucking yelling at me. What are you doing, bro? I'm not hugging. How second. I'm never showing you this. That voice in your head, was it like, yes, it was fucking yelling at me. What are you doing bro? How are you gonna use this? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That voice was telling me. Hey, you're landscaping buddy, I bet you might not even know. When Moses was talking to the fiery bull. Oh no, so hugging a bush naked. Yeah, I hugged a bush naked. You guys have seen this thing. Is there one of the big teddy bearer

that I make that one up? No, there's one for, there's one where I have like a heart of for like a, because around that time, I have seen that one. I think you have seen that one before. The round Valentine's Day coming up. And so she wanted to do like this like Valentine's Day pose because that was gonna come up and so I could use it. And it was like me like holding this like metal heart,

you know, it was like it shirts off. It's all that. It's so many bad photos. It's all it's oh my So many bad photos. So many I mean I shouldn't say I don't want to disrespect her like she's well, that's what she knows Yeah, she's created what she did and I mean she's just not you. Yeah, she loved it She used it like advertising and she used it for all kinds of stuff. Oh, so it's out there Yeah, it's out there on her stuff like you would have to go find her there's trap. Yeah, it's out there on her stuff. Like you would have to go find her. There's trap. Yeah. Do you remember what her name was? I do it. I'm not giving it to you.

So I'm just searching for it. I will pull up all posts on. I'll give one to Andrew. So yes, then you guys can make fun of me. Let me ask you this because I've never done that. But I've been in situations that were just not me. So I'm kind of awkward. Did you have to like, did you have to have a drink or something before I had to loosen yourself? I probably smoked some weed before both situations. I'm sure I did because it was, um, yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny too because it really goes back to, if it's not, if it's never, how much nervous, you remember how much it struggled.

I mean, I'm not, I'm not a nervous type of person, but I also, and the type of person who has that voice in his head, like, this isn't you. This is not what I'm, but I'm, but I'm like, I'm also a guy too who can shut that down and just be like, I have a mission right now like my My job is to get through it. Yeah, and I'm like I'm that's the type of I'm game I'm like whatever I don't give people gonna make fun of me people. I don't care Like if I if I can garner more attention for us to launch this app like that's my job Have you now now that you have a son?

Do you have a story to tell him if he ever finds these? Like, he's like, of course. Hey, dad. What is, I mean, I'll be honest and share the whole story with them how it all panned out. I'm not just telling first before he finds out. Well, you remember like, it was crazy. His way back when I bet, well, I get more now because how big my pump is, but probably just, if you go back maybe a year ago on my screen

and my pump was already pretty big, I barely am getting the same kind of likes and attention. I was getting five years ago. Those pictures were getting it, but it was all the wrong attention. You remember when we first started the podcast, I told all the dick pics I get and all the crazy shit. Yeah, yeah.

But I mean, the likes, the comments, the shares, I mean, it was really, it was really, it was working. But what I quickly realized and why I abandoned using them was, it was getting the wrong attention. And I mean, I wasn't gonna go sell it. If maybe if I was gonna transition into an only fans page, it would've been a very smart strategy.

That's our backup plan, by the way. Mine pump ever tanks. But I mean, this is a common mistake, I think, fitness people make, all people make that are trying to build a business and they're trying to use a social media platform. So I understand, because I went through it, and I try to help people when I see this.

It's like, if you're the way you are gaining attention, if it is not totally directly connected to how you're going to monetize in the future, it's a fucking waste of time. A total waste of time for you. I had to completely stop all of that and let those people fall off of my social media platform and almost start over, rebuilding back

with good valuable content, which was a slower grind, didn't get a bunch of attention, didn't get a bunch of comments and stuff like that, but those people were more likely to convert into customers. I did one photo shoot, nothing like that, but it was very uncomfortable for me too, because that's not like me. And one of the photos, like I'm still,

and she's like, make love to the camera, like the cliché, you know. Oh, yeah, I do say that. And I did the photos, and I thought, maybe I'd use some of them to promote fitness, but it just didn't. It wasn't me, same thing. Yeah, for me, I just immediately turned into

zoo landers, like, yeah, help myself. It's just like, I have to make fun of myself immediately. Because I can't take any of that stuff seriously. You're trying to dress me up a certain way and have me look, I have to crack on it. But speaking of having to drink, you know, before doing uncomfortable things, I mean, that was the beginning of the podcast for me. This is not me, dude.

Like I'm like, ah, trying to drink. It took me a while to get through that. But dude, over the last few weeks, like we've been, you know, invocation, whatnot and like putting it down, putting it down. And then I'm also trying to come up with ideas for like more Z-Batic commercials. And I realize that like, I go to take on before we're having, I'm like, oh cool,

I got some Z-Batics, let's take those, and then we'll do like a Cheers, whatever. And it's empty. Every single buy I have is empty. What, wait, there's none in the back either, huh? No, we've gone. So here's the thing, once you realize Z-Batic's works,

you got a stock pile, dude. Yeah. Because it's just like, the worst thing is that you know, it's there, but you know you're gonna have like, so a bunch of these drinks, and wait a minute, like this would have been so nice, but I don't have it now. So this is anecdote, okay?

So, and because you have to be very careful when you discuss symptoms of things like hangovers and stuff like that, that's actually regulated as a medical condition. So, so this and because you have to be very careful when you discuss symptoms of things like hangovers and stuff like that, that's actually regulated as a medical condition. So, so this is my own anecdote, but you know, we were in Cabo, then I was in Vegas, and I was averaging literally one, maybe two drinks a day, max.

I'm not a big drinker, you guys know that, but I didn't have any Z-Botics with me, and I was taking, I'd be profan here and there, and I never get headaches or anything, and Jessica pointed out, she's like, you're asking me for another I'd be profan here and there. And I never get headaches or anything. And Jessica pointed out, she's like, you're asking me for another I'd be profan? She's like, what's going on? I'm like, it's gotta be the one drink that I had.

You know, that's gotta be what it is. And I forgot that that's, I mean, I guess I didn't forget, forget, but it wasn't top of mind because, for, I mean, jeez, for the last couple of years before I had any drinks, I would do Z-Bot. I wouldn't get that. I've trained myself.

I mean, you and I are of the group. Yeah, we both have a car like that. I just, I, one drink can make me feel bad like that. Sometimes I'm okay with just one. For sure, too, will definitely make me feel that way. And so, I've trained myself that, even if I'm this gonna have one or two, I just go, I go have the Z-Biotic.

I mean, we did the same thing this, I mean, luckily the trucky house is loaded with a huge hundred pack in there. And, you know, anytime that I was gonna enjoy even just a single drink, I never, once got drunk the whole trip. I think the most I had on one day, it's three or four, I had one day,

which I consider heavy drinking for me. But I consistently made sure that I had the Z-biotic before and I would, I'd wake up the next day, feeling like a J.M. They had one of those hundred packs, but like that, we, Courtney, I threw a party in like, the friends are so now, like, in tune with the fact that we have these.

And so they just would go into, you know, the pantry, grab one, and then, you know, part in like, I realized before I know it, like, they're all empty. So I tell people how much they are because they're not cheap. And if you don't know, if know, part in like, I realized before I know it, like, they're all empty. So I tell people how much they are because they're not cheap. And if you don't know, if you don't know that, then they think this is a little, a little shot of looking water stuff.

So they just, everyone, they think they do that with every dream. Yeah. They'll take one with one. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they think it's no big deal. It was they don't realize it's like,

that little thing is not cheap. So you just, they just take it like, oh, it's no big deal. Just go to 100 of them. I'll take four or five of me first. Next time I have a party. It's like, it's like, it's like stealing 50 bucks from me, dude. Easy. There's my gold right there. Yeah. Yeah.

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All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Amanda from Michigan. Amanda, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi guys, how are you? Good, how are you doing? Good, good, good. Good. Um, you know, I just want to start out by saying I'm going to try really hard not to be a crazy fan girl, but I have been following you guys and listening to you for about six years now. And I just want to say that you guys are amazing and have taught me so much and thank you for about six years now. And I just want to say that you guys are amazing and have taught me so much. And thank you for everything that you do. Thank you.

Thank you. That's awesome. So what I want to say is I have been training consistently for about 20 years. I was like a bikini competitor. Sorry, I'm like super nervous right now. I was a bikini competitor. My last competition was in 2018.

Since then, I've been really trying to grow the glutes and the legs, which I have achieved using a program like 5x5 and just lifting really heavy. In doing that, I have grown my back. I have got a thicker, wider back, which, you know, most people might really love and want, but for me, it's not really what I was looking for. So I was wondering if there's a way of still growing the glutes in the legs without growing like the bigger back and upper body as much.

Yeah, great question. Are you happy with your glute size now or do you want to continue to grow? Oh my God, well, it's amazing. I love the glutes, I love my legs, my husband loves my glutes and my legs, but yeah, I want to maintain basically without growing anymore upper body. Okay, well first off, congratulations

for getting to this point. Most people never really get to that point. So good job, 20 years of training, you've been consistent. That's pretty awesome. So what you need to do to maintain is way less than what you did to build. So consider that, so that's number one. Okay.

And now I know why this is challenging, because you're talking about the posterior chain, right? The glutes are on the back of the body, just like the back muscles are a lot of glue exercises or at least the most effective Glue building exercises will involve at least some support From the back. So you're gonna get some development in both with things like squats and deadlifts and even hip thrust Will involve some of those things, but you're in a position now where you wanna maintain the glutes and you want to not grow the back or maybe even allow the back to shrink a little bit. Yes.

In which case, I would say I would stick to hip thrusts, I would even do single leg hip thrusts. And now you can do the exercises that we tend to talk down on, donkey kick back, single leg, dead lifts where you squeeze the glutes. Things that'll maintain your glute size. They're not gonna to necessarily build, but they'll maintain. And what we're doing is we're taking the back out of a lot of these exercises. So you may see some back atrophy, which you're okay with, but you definitely won't see your back growing.

I would be even more specific. So I would, I don't know if I would get rid of deadlifts completely, but I definitely would get rid of conventional deadlifts. So I would have you do sumo deadlifts only, just because you drop your hips down in the position more, it's gonna be more glute dominant, then back dominant, like a conventional would be. And instead of squatting, I would do Bulgarian split squats. So those two things replacing that, I think, because that's what you're,

if you're starting to do heavy heavy conventional deadless and heavy squatting It may be developing your back more than you like and so you're a perfect example of someone if I was training for bikini We would just eliminate those two movements out of your programming and then anywhere where they would normally go I would probably put Bulgarian split squats or hip thrust in that position. And then where you would do potentially deadlifts, we would do sumo or put the opposite one of that of the two I just recommended for squats.

And I think that would be, that would suffice for what you're trying to do. Have you taken a few months, or have you taken some time to run through a good unilateral program and And just go ahead. I had a feeling that I'd be one of those viewers that know the answer to the question. I did send this question probably about a month ago and a couple weeks prior to that, I did my own kind of experiment and I laid off the traditional deadlifts. I've been doing a bunch of split

squats. I've been incorporating some cardio like hit because I know sometimes women have that like bulky feeling and it's from just an extra layer of fat on their muscles. So I thought maybe if I lose a couple pounds I might might see a difference and I have so that's definitely helped a lot So Like I said, I might have answered my own questions, but I just wanted to hear from the fitness crews themselves What we get something like you're on the right track. Yeah, we have a program called map symmetry you might really like Yeah, especially someone like you've been working out for so long Unilateral training can really develop the body

in targeted ways. So if you don't have that, we'll send that to you. Let us know what you think. But again, remember this, okay, because you have a lot of experience. You've been working out for a long time. What you need to do to build is like two or three times the volume and intensity that and what you need to do to keep.

So if you like the way your butt looks, you can drop the weight, drop the intensity, squeeze the glutes, just keep them where they're at, but that lower weight, lower intensity, will prevent you from building any more back muscle. So just consider that, maintaining is a lot easier than getting there in the first place. Okay, and so you're saying like take squats out,

like barbell squats out, like barbell squats out completely? Yeah, you could do that or go really like. You could do that. I would replace it with the movements that we said. So I would take barbell squats out and then that becomes hip thrust, right? Or I would then I would take dead lifts out

and that becomes bulgurian split squats or vice versa. Lunge is, yeah. Just live in that. Yeah, but you know, lateral I think you'll really like. Yeah, that's already done in that program So you're not gonna do any conventional deadlifting in that you're gonna do any any bilateral squatting and that it's all you know lateral So the last phase, yeah, you know, it's it's only three weeks at the end of the program where you'll do some of that stuff

So let's send that to you. I think you'll really like it Especially someone like you with your experience. I think you'll really notice a big difference with it Well, thank you so much. And it has been such a pleasure listening to you guys over the past six years and listening to your growing fanways and just the growth of your businesses. And it's just awesome. And I gotta say, I'm a sci-fi nerd myself. And I just love hearing you guys eagle

to sci-fi, paranormal stuff in your... I'm like people. ...posing. Just keep it coming, guys. I love it so much. you are doing such a great job I want to give you another free program. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. Yeah, thanks. Thank you guys. You got it Now I want to say this to the audience. Okay. This is a very rare case because what I don't want is I don't want Women listening to this who have not worked out for 20 years,

who have not trained that consistently, who don't have that type of development. To say, oh, I better not deadlift, I better not squat, I don't wanna get that. This is obviously gonna happen. Huge old back, that's not at all what happens for vast majority of people. She's in a position that she's in

because she's trained for so long, so consistently, and you heard her, I'm very satisfied with where I'm at. I just don't wanna grow my back anymore. When you get to that place, if you get to that place, which most people don't get to, you're in a wonderful position where you could just maintain certain things. The workouts are easier in certain ways,

and now you're just kind of maintaining and shaping and sculpting the body. Yeah, it's just at that level where you can really like, hyper focus and fine tune, like, exactly what she wants at this point. So it makes sense, you know, the vice that we're giving her, but yeah, not to your average level. She did touch on something that I think is important to reiterate too is because it's

something that Katrina struggles with this because Katrina has kind of broad shoulders and broad hips. And one of the things that she hates is that when she starts to put on a little bit of body fat, she feels like it really exacerbates that. And so one of the things that I'm always reminding her that it's like, listen, it's not the dead lives, it's not the back exercises that are making your back the village, it's the body fat.

When we lean that down, tell me what your back looks like and then decide, you know? So, and she kind of already kind of started to be sort of that, too. Yeah, I started to figure that out and I just want to highlight that because we all store body fat differently, right? Even though there's like general truths that wear men or women tend to hold body fat,

we're all still individuals and we all tend to store it. We all have different anatomical structures. Katrina has broader shoulders anatomically and so when she puts on a little bit of extra body fat, it looks it looks wider. It looks you on that note, high level female athletes that perform really well, especially at track and field sports and basketball and, you know, those types of things, they tend to store body fat a little bit more in the midsection, and they tend to have a little bit more narrow hips, wider waist, because that's better for athletic performance. So if you're a high level female athlete, this tends to be more of an issue than the average person.

Yeah, I think that's why it's important to note that, because sometimes we just, we assume it's these exercises that are making us this way. Yeah, your genetics just tend to store body fat in those areas and I always like to challenge my clients. Hey, let's lean down first so we can really assess what your body looks like and tell me if that's's if you think it's your back is too big or it's just that just happens to be where you store body fat and you don't like total look Our next color is mark from New York mark. What's happening man? How can we help you?

Hey guys, this is awesome. Can't believe I'm talking to you So I was wanting to start off. I'll start over the question and then go into some background. So my question is, if you put in the work consistently over a long period of time, should everyone be able to lift say two plates for bench, three plates for squat and four plates for deadlift? Just some background on me. I've been lifting for six years now and I'm finishing up the RGB progression and I do a MAPS prime warm up. I've gained a considerable amount of muscle and really do like my physique, but I feel like not I'm feeling I still am lifting the same weight I was about five years ago. For our friends it's about 185 for squat, 155 for bench,

225 for dead lifts. I have tried to increase the weight on the lifts, but even a five to 10 pound increase causes my form to break down and me to start twisting and breaking down form. I am consistent with the workouts and nutrition and sleep. I just feel with that consistency, I should be stronger and lifting more weight than I am.

I always hear you guys talk about how strength is such a great indicator of progress. And I was just wondering if I'm missing anything or what your guys thoughts are. All right, let me answer the first part about benching two plates, squatting three plates and deadlifting four plates. That's true for girls.

For guys, it's just me girls. For guys that should be. Yeah, sounds so can you. Just kidding with you. Listen, Mark, there is no standard, okay, when it comes to strength, how much you should lift and how much you shouldn't lift. So I want to address that first because everybody's very different. And if I use the same, if I use this, let me put it this way, if I use the top powerlifting female competitor standards for lifting, I'd be very disappointed at myself

after 30 years of working out. So you don't wanna do that, it's not fair to yourself. Now the second part, I'm a little confused because you said you've gained a considerable amount of muscle, but your strength is the same. So what do you mean by that? How much muscle have you gained? Have you gotten leaners?

Your body weight a lot lighter? Like I need more details to make sense of this. Yeah, so I was about a year ago now. I was 140 pounds, under 10% body fat. I was just, you know, it did a lot of cardio really obsessed with being lean. I went on, I both through most of the RGB progression, eating about 2700 calories.

And I, so over that nine month process, I gained about 30 pounds. Oh yeah. And yeah. And, you know, I look in the mirror, I compare myself to pictures from a year ago, I took pictures every few weeks. And, you know, it's not, I could tell, it's not, it's not all fat just by looking at the pictures. And I was just curious like, how that works or if I'm missing something on the strength side. Did you get a body fat test or are you just judging off pictures? I'm not, I'm not gonna tell you the way he looks.

You don't look like that. Yeah, I can tell right now, but I swear you look in your video. Yeah, you don't look like you went to 20% body fat. Yeah, yeah, I know. But did you test body fat just by any chance? So we can know how much lean body mass you actually gained? I did not know. Okay. Yeah, that's interesting. So you gain 30 pounds, a decent amount of muscle, but you strengthen this identical.

Does your form feel different? Do you feel more under control? Are there any other changes in your workout performance? I mean, I have improved my squat depth just by doing the MAPS prime and going through that and doing that before the workouts. So I could save them. I mean, my lips have improved in that regard, if more range of motion on the squat. How did you feel during a map Santa Bologna, like phase one, for instance? Did you feel any strength gains in that sort of a protocol where you dropped your reps

down significantly? That was the most of our increase, the weight I did go up to 200 for squat, which is the most I had ever done during that doing about, you know, like two to three reps. Okay, so I do want to be clear here, if you're using the same weight, but you're going to say five inches deeper on your squat with more control, you're stronger. Not only that too, for sure. Also, if he's handling more volume in the workout than he would, he was.

Yeah. Two years ago too, that's stronger. Sometimes we always measure strength by the PRs. Yeah. You know, like, oh, this is the most I've ever deadlifted a squat, but then also, but I'm not counting that, I'm doing three more sets of deadlifting in a routine

than I have ever done before, or I'm, if your volume is increased also. So there's other factors that I think that are at play here, and especially if you have something as objective as looking at a picture from before and after and you feel it, you know you've put on muscle and you look better, it sounds like you're doing really good, man. Yeah, it sounds like now you might want to just shift your focus a little bit more on those big

compound lifts and like really dive into that and make the power lifting. Yeah, absolutely. Direction for you because I guarantee like if that's all working out for your body's substantially changing, transforming, now if that's an indicator, if that's a metric that you're going to seek, you just focus on that for a while and you're going to seek, you just focus on that for a while and you're going to see a lot of strength gains. Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing, Justin, was like, you know what would be great for you since you've gone through the RGB is now is a good time to mess with Mass Power Lift.

Totally. So going to Mass Power Lift routine and I guarantee you run through that program, you will come back with all those numbers we'll have gone up. Yeah, we'll send that to you. If you don't have it, but yeah, if let's say you handle the same weight, but you're more stable, or you're range of motion increases, or you can slow the rep down,

or you can lift it more explosively, or you can handle more sets and not lighten the load, or you can rest less than between sets, and handle the same load. Like all of that are improvements and strength. Yeah, it's not just I added weight to the bar all of you know more volume all that stuff shows that your strength Has improved so it's not always just the amount of weight especially when consider this too You're you're going through different programs each one is Maps and a box are very different from maps for formats and maps aesthetic is very different. Each one has different phases within them. So, you know, phase one for Maps and a ballad to phase three, you can't look

at the weight on the bar and one of them you're doing, you know, you're resting three, four minutes, you're doing really low reps and the other phase you're doing super sets with lighter weight and more volume. So, you don't want to necessarily compare it that way, you want to compare kind of apples to apples. So a more fair comparison would be everything's identical and then is the weight going up. The form is identical. The depth is identical. The volume is identical. Then is the weight going up. That would be a little bit more of a fair type comparison. Mark, how old are you right now? I am 23. Oh yeah. And you're still growing too. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And it's very normal to, I mean, you've been lifting consistently for six years. So when I think back to my entire lifting career, you're gonna go through phases of your life where you kind of plateau PR-wise on some of these lifts. I mean, I've been in, I've been helvaring around the same deadlift, squat,

and bench for a very long time. I mean, so, and I can't get hung up all time like I'm, I will not always keep getting stronger in those lifts. In fact, I tend to go way back down and then I have to work my way back up just to getting back to what my, some of my PRs were in my late 20s in those, some of those lifts. And so I've kind of reached where, where's my max potential strength is. This doesn't mean that can't get a little bit stronger, but that's kind of what my body is capable of doing. That kind of, you know, I think the max bench,

I think it was at 3.50 at one point. My squat was around 4.20. My deadlift was 5.50. Those are kind of my max numbers. I'm not at any of those numbers right now because I'm not lifting at the same volume and consistency is what I was just four or five years ago. And if I were to really get after it,

it would be, I'd be lucky just to get back up to those numbers and then stay consistent after that for another four or five years. Maybe I get another five pounds or 10 pounds out and some of those things. So, you know, at one point when you've been consistently lifting for a long time, you start to get closer and closer to some of your, your, your, probably your max numbers.

Yeah, I know the thing to consider to mark is that when you look at, this is true for everybody, but generally speaking, people's strength peaks when they lift consistently in like their mid 30s. That's just across the board, which is very interesting. I've been working out. That's where I hit my peaks. Same here. I worked out since I was 14 consistently,

and the strongest I ever was was about 34, 35. 31, 32 for me was one peak. Yeah, and if you look at like competitive numbers, natural competitions, drug tests, all that stuff, you see people peaking strength wise. Now I'm not talking about athletic performance. That tends to be much younger, but that encompasses things like agility and that kind of stuff.

But just raw strength, men tend to peak in their 30s, sometimes 40s. So that's when people are hitting their strongest lifts. And this is after years and years and years of lifting. So in other words, I'm telling you, you got a long ways to go, so don't freak out. Don't worry. I think you're doing great, dude.

Same. Awesome. I mean, that's good to hear. I had no idea that strength peaks that are late. So I mean, don't worry. Yeah, I think you're doing great, dude, same. Awesome, I mean, that's good to hear. I had no idea that, you know, strength peaks that are late. So, I mean, that's encouraging. Yeah. If I progress onto maps, power lifts. So I did bulk through most of the RGB progression.

And I've kind of been at maintenance just, you know, being the summer, didn't want to keep bulking. And it's a lot of food. What would you recommend going into that program with nutrition wise? I like maintenance. That's maybe a slight bulg. Yeah. You know, maybe like a hundred, 200 above maintenance, just enough to fuel any strength

gains. You're not going to see like huge weight gains on that, but you should see huge strength. Because you don't want to be a deficit just because your goal is to train increased strength. Like you want to give your body adequate energy, but that's about it. Well, that's actually how I would, that's how I would let your calories be dictated is how you feel going into each workout.

So, so let's say you start the program and you get into week two or three and you see maybe a dip in strength, the very first place I would look at is my nutrition. Yeah. I would go like, oh man, maybe I'm not giving myself an adequate calories or protein or enough carbohydrates before my workout.

So just fuel your workouts. So make sure that if you do not feel like you're either maintaining strength or gaining strength through the program, that you give yourself adequate calories to make sure that you feel good in your workouts. That's how I would dictate whether I'm in a bulk of maintenance or whatever, but like Justin said, being a deficit in a strength-based program, you're not going to see very much strength gains if you're in a deficit. So I definitely wouldn't be in a deficit. I'd be in a maintenance slight surplus like Sal saying, and the way I would dictate that

would be based off of my performance in my workouts. There you go. Okay, awesome guys. That sounds like a game plan. And I just want to thank you again. I mean, your podcast has really helped me create a fitness plan that fits in nicely like I was in college I had all the time in the world, but now creating a plan that works fits in nicely in that morning window before work So thank you guys. Yeah, good for you man. Thanks Mark All right, thank you Yeah, you know Back to that statistic that I mentioned I remember as a kid, you hear all the time

that a man's performance, right, peaks in their late teens, early 20s, athletics and sports and all that stuff, but when it comes to just pure strength, it's much later. It's totally different, like, you're right. But I didn't know that, right? So I thought, oh my God, I'm never gonna hit these doors. I don't really know your body, so wait a minute. That's it. Well, it's totally like grinding raw lifting strength is so different than like basketball, tennis, swimming,

Yeah, which is just lots of agility. Yeah, you can't have joint pain. You gotta be able to react really quick which you kind of lose the lose that is you get older. Yeah, and that's a straight. I mean in professional sports you're considered old at 30 Right. Yeah, in in lifting it's completely off. Oh my God. And the top lifters are in their early to mid 30s. Well, some of them in their 40s. My peak was 31-32 for strength. That was, I mean, that's so far that's been the best I've ever been in a lift was at that time.

Was 31-32. So that was like the best year. So most people I know that have been lifting for a long time would say the same thing. Yeah, it's because it's an incremental slowly slowly, build, and build, and build. And even now at 43, I can hit some of the numbers I hit in my mid, not all of them, but some of them. And I'm starting now to notice a little bit, but that's more to do with just wear and tear on the body, and it's just not smart for me to train that way.

But yeah, it's like when you're 23, when it comes to strength and lifting, you're a baby. Maybe not sports, but for lifting, you're a baby. Yeah, I think baby not sports, but for lifting, you're a baby. I think Larry Wheels is ruined it for everybody. You ever? I've got every 25 year old season Larry Wheels and goes like, why can't I do that? Well, if he doesn't hurt himself,

he'll keep getting stronger for the next 10 years. Yeah, he's crazy. He's a beast. He's only like 25, right? He's a baby. Yeah, he's hell of you. Our next caller is Brian from North Carolina. Brian,. What's happening man? How can we help you? Hey, what's up guys? Thanks for having me on today. You got a good experience for about three years

I'm excited to be here right on right Yeah, so let me get into it So I just turned 30 and serve myself to be in you know pretty good shape with the way I want to pain free You know got a lot of good things going. I was running maps in a ball recently, and when I got to my dead lifts, I was winded after about four or five of them. I generally only lift weights, not a cardio guy. I work from home now, it's been like that for like

the last two years, going some walks during the day You know, so my question is like how can I improve my interns in the gym? You know while deadlifting I feel like it's costing me some strength games since I'm fall short on my reps Do you notice this on the other lifts too or just deadlift? Now it's just been deadlift. Squats isn't so bad Yeah, just just deadlifts is where it really comes out. What program comes of mind right away? Tell me you guys are on the same page as I am.

Strong? Yup, that's strong. That sure would be great. The first phase, we're capacity. Yeah, first phase. You know, there's another part to your question, Brian, that you didn't say here on air that you wrote in and you said that you like to keep your body fat

around 10% or lower. Is that where you're at right now? Yeah, that's generally like, for like last like three years, I've been kind of hanging around that number and I've never get it tested. I just have like visible ads, like nutrition's kind of locked in. So it's generally where we're been at.

Well, you could try going, you know, try adding calories too. You know, some guys can maintain, guys can maintain 9% body fat, notice no performance drops, but that's the exception after one. Yeah, but he's also, he's also, okay, so he's not doing any cardio. He's also got a desk job at home all day long.

Well, I mean, it would be part of the formulas when I'm saying, I'm not saying it's the answer, but I would say like, map strong, I would go on a surplus, and then see what happens. I know for me, for example, my stamina is just better when I'm like at 11% body fat than when I'm like eight or nine. That 2% makes a big difference for me. Some people, that's not the case, but like I said, that's the exception. Single-digit body fat tends to affect performance for some people.

So I would go on a little surplus with MAP strong and see what happens. I don't think you need to add cardio if you do MAP strong. MapString has got some stamina in there, built in. And you want to talk about deadlift endurance. There's a lot of stuff in there that'll build that. Yeah, there's two different ways that I would go at it. If you were a client of mine, you said like, Adam, can I build that endurance without adding cardio? I would move you in the strong direction. Just do that program. That's going to build the work capacity you're looking for without actually doing any cardio. If you said, I don't, I actually don't mind cardio if you don't mind me doing it, I would

say, dude, due to 12 to 15 minutes of hit, post workout, after you're lifting sessions and watch what that does to your work capacity, I think that in itself would also do it. So you kind of have two different options on how you want to approach it. Both options though, I would agree with Sal, I would increase calories a little bit because the volume and workload that's in strong, you could increase calories and still maintain your body fat percentage and you'll probably see strength gains in that. 100% I'd go up 300 calories. Yeah, and then same thing goes for HIIT if you all sudden did the other direction that I said, which is start to incorporate HIIT into your routine thing goes for hit if you all sudden did the other direction that I said which is start to incorporate hit into your routine

Post workout for like you know like I said 12 15 minutes on the Stairmaster or sprints of the row or something after your lifting also increase calories and you'll still keep your in maintain your body fat Persons maybe even go down a little bit so you kind of have two different options on how you could potentially Increase your work capacity and it really would have to do with which one do you prefer as a client as where I'd push you. Yeah, and deadlifts for reps, gnarly. So that's just hard for everybody.

I don't feel too bad about that. It's like, I rarely go over five reps of deadlifts because it's just one of those exercises that just seems to work better. Yeah, but you could barely run across the street to start off too. Let's not use use an example. That's true. I mean, I think that you...

They bring it to me though. Yeah, so let's not use use an example, or any of us for that matter for running stuff. But I mean, literally it comes down to what you like to do. And if you really like, you know, strength training, you dig the lifting weights part, you could totally build a cardiovascular endurance. That's the one thing that I think that we are always

trying to preach on here, because people think we're anti-cardios. Like no, you do a program like strong, like the very first phase, you got 20 reps of deadlifts. So work sessions are gonna be good. And then you have work sessions on the opposing days, which are like speed ladder drills and things like that. Like you're gonna build some cardiovascular endurance just by following a weight

drill. Especially for the deadlift. Yeah, and it's translatable. And so I think that's why we first, you know, highlight the work capacity part of it because you're loaded and you're trying to maintain, you know, good form and technique and everything while being in a state of fatigue. And so to train that way translates a lot better towards a goal of being better, having better stamina while you're lifting weights versus just adding in running at the end of your workouts, which will help, but it's not exactly as translatable. Right. And I think for me, it's like I'm comparing, you 2019, I was in the gym.

I feel like I didn't have this issue. It's been three years later. I've been working from home more, three years older. So I was trying to figure out. The other thing is, so my calories are at like 2700,000. I think I just bumped that up to 3000. Yeah, I would go 300. That sounds like a good place to go.

But then from there, feel it it out see if you need more You're you're also you said you're 30 right so you said you're at Yep, this is about the age where I hit where I started doing this thing where Occasionally would I because I'm not a big obviously runner or or cardio guy either, but I also don't want to Allow myself to get so far the other direction that I can't run a mile, right? So what I would do is like, I don't know, every couple of months, if I notice, like I feel that way, like you're kind of explaining,

I would get on the treadmill and just see what I can get my mile time, just to see where it's at. And I always like to keep it in a range that I think is good. So I wanna be able to do sub eight minutes always. Like it's just, to me, that's not like a super fast mile time, but it's also, that's pretty decent. You know, I'm saying like it, especially now 40 something years old. So, when you, I start to catch your kids. Yeah, it's right. I get your kids or run away from somebody like that's kind of my, my thought processes. And then miles only eight minutes. You know,

I'm saying, I don't, I'm not a big cardio guy, but, and I'll probably never have to run more than a mile at one time. So that's kind of my idea of like, okay, I'm still relatively fit enough to get after it for one mile. And so I like to use that as like how cardiovascular fit am I at the time? And so you have a baseline. I think it's a great age to do that. So it's in since you're feeling that way. Get on the treadmill, run your mile, see what your mile time is

and then let that be kind of your baseline of judging where your cardiovascular endurance is at. Okay, yeah, that sounds good. All right, man, we're gonna send you maps strong if you don't got that, all right, Brian? I don't, I appreciate it. It's great being on, man. You guys are great.

Awesome, man. Nice beard, by the way, very healthy. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. You got it. Not tiny. It was tiny, small. Yeah.

Thanks, man. You know, could you imagine running from something scary for a mile? He said you want to be able to do that for a long time. We're ready for some scary shit. That's what after about a quarter mile, I'd be like, I think I'm just gonna die. I don't that's why that's why I want to be able to do it. I'm like, there's not many times you'll have to run for more than a mile. Really, let's be honest here. You know what I'm saying? I mean, if you're running for more than a mile, like, let's be honest here, you know what I'm saying? I mean, if you're ready for more than a mile, like if there's something bad going on,

you didn't get away. You know what I'm saying? You didn't get away. That's hilarious. I like the metrics this, I might go for a kilometer. The miles too long for me. Yes.

No, but you know, his question is, it's a good one. I think also, something else that's probably playing a role is that he's working from home. That, you know, sitting all day, you know, I remember when they first came out with the body bug, it was like a breakthrough piece of, you know, fitness equipment or, you know,

metric, I guess, measure, and I remember, looking at my clients' charts, and then I really realized, like, oh my God, you move for one hour a day, the rest of the day, you do nothing. So the wonder your calorie burn is so low Or you feel the way you do even though you work out every day. Well, whatever you do the most throughout your days What your byperer? Yeah, or what it blew me away with that that tech was I'd see a day they train with me Where we not only do a weightlifting session. They also did a half hour hour cardio

Then they'd have a Saturday. Yeah Saturday that they burned way more calories. They're yard workers. Yeah. And you just went to the mall and shopping. They cleaned house. They just and I was like, whoa, like so it is. And I remember this transition in my life when I went from being a full time personal trainer who was, you know, training eight, ten clients every day, six days a week to

all of a sudden being this guy who was running a cannabis club where I was sitting at a desk and I, at the beginning, had no, no clients, no customers. And I just sat for eight hours out of my day. It was a huge transition for me to go through that because I quickly went from the guy who could never eat enough calories to keep up with his burn and his activity level to quickly being the guy that was just pilot and it was- I bet it fooled you at first. It did. I've shared-

Oh wow. If you listen long enough on the podcast, I've actually shared this story before, but when I first told you guys that like I had this realization like, oh, I'm fat. Like I've never felt fat before in my life because I could never put on weight for all of my 20s. And when I first started to put on weight, I was so, I cared so much about the scale that I didn't realize that it was mostly body fat. That was point of, I was just like,

oh, I'm filling out my shirts. Oh, the scale's going up. It was like the first time over 200 pounds. And then I remember laying on my side in bed and scratching my side and like filling a belly for the first time in my life. I went, oh my God, like, I've never, never put on that kind of weight.

So yeah, it's a major transition when you go from being somebody who is just, you know, has a relatively active, yeah, active job. How much of a difference that makes. Our next caller is Brett from Minnesota. Brett, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going? Good. I just want to say thank you guys as everyone does and that I respect the grind you guys are on to put out, you know, new-ish content every day. My question is about two things. The first one is the supplementation of EAAs or just like, you know, all the amino acids or the nine main ones.

And the supplementation of organ meats for the EAAs. I've listened to what you guys have to say about whether or not they're useful or not useful and how they're only useful if you're not hitting your protein targets, but for me, I'm 66, 245 pounds and I only eat about three meals a day with my work schedule and try not to eat after dinner time. So while I'm here in the proper protein absorption methods, you can eat more

than maybe 40 to 60 grams of protein in a meal, three meals a day, that's about 150 to 180 grams of protein. So would this be an opportunity that supplementing for amino acids would be helpful because I'm not getting to the about the point eight, which would be about 200 to 222 grams of protein for me. Yeah, so good question. If you address the protein absorption first. Yeah, you can take, you can eat more than that.

That's 100 grams in one sitting, bro. As long as you can digest it, As long as you can digest it, yeah, as long as you can digest it, it doesn't affect your digestion negatively, you can have more protein at one sitting. So that's a bit of a myth. So it depends on digestion more than anything. Big guy like you, you could probably eat 80 grams of protein

at a sitting and you'd probably be fine. So I'd mess around with that a little bit. If you're hitting about 170 grams or so of protein, you're probably okay. You probably don't need essential amino acids. Now, you could test it out, you could supplement with them and see if you notice a difference, but the studies show it's like,

0.6.8 grams per pound of body weight. The one gram per pound of body weight, that's really a number that, supplement companies push out. It's easier to measure. People have to do math. They can just say, I weigh this much, eat this much. And if I miss it a little bit, I'm still gonna hit

the number that the studies show. So I mean, I'd say this is hit or miss. You're probably okay, but you can mess around with a little bit and see how that feels for you. Go ahead. I wanna know, what's your favorite source of protein? Are you a big meat eater? Yeah, I'm a I want to know, what's your favorite source of protein? Are you big meat eater? Yeah, I'm a Midwest eater and we do half cow a year

between our family for so we do a lot of red meat and sometimes chicken, but it's pretty much way protein and red meat. And eggs, I eat a lot of eggs too. I love them. I mean, high quality. Yeah, dude, so literally just do this when you when you eat your meals Instead of eating probably eight ounces of steak like you probably do eat 10 to 12

So bump the ounces up of of your servings of meat every time you eat meat. I mean, this is how I eat I mean, you and I are almost exactly I'm 235 240 So we're you're a little bit taller than I am, but we're about similar weight. And I'm only eating about three meals a day right now. And so in order for me to hit my protein take, I'll sit sometimes, I'll put a whole pound of meat down in one sitting. So and then it's totally fine. I might just, now what I can't do and pay attention to this because you might be like

me with this is I can't do that all in like protein powder. If I have 100 grams of protein, like dairy, or like that will kind of met, like then I'll be on the toilet right afterwards. But like meat and rice, or meat eggs and rice, like a combo like that, man, I could crush 100 grams of protein easily in one meal with that combo.

I did it last night, you did it nine morning before, so that's kind of a go-to staple for me is, and I think I just recently shared this as a fitness tip where I'll make a big meat type of dinner, the other just night before last, I did a huge, I did three pounds of bison and rice all mixed together. And then that was my dinner.

And then morning, I had the exact same thing, but then I just cracked two over easy eggs on top of that. So literally having like a 80, 90 gram breakfast of protein. And that sits really well with me. I love that. So now the only caveat would be if you're, if you the extra three ounces of meat is adding, you know, more calories than you want

from the additional, maybe fat that comes from the steak, in which case, I would cut your carbs down to make up the difference if that's your goal or choose a leaner meat or choose a leaner meat, but yeah, that's that's great advice. You could always add more shakes to you know, the thing about essential amino acid supplements, it's always very interesting to me because you could just take a 10 literally 10 grams of way protein will give you more essential amino acids than essential amino acid supplements or pills. If you do the math and you look at the two,

it's like six grams of whey protein is more typically than essential amino acid supplements cheaper, cost less money. Yeah, I know the one thing that got me on a rabbit hole was, I also listened to one of your guys' friends who I actually found Sal on who's Ben Greenfield. And he's really huge on amino acids and he's like, amino acid with way protein is like the way to do it.

So now I'm like deciding, I'm like, my own Tom Ben Greenfield, I'm like, what? What? How about this? We don't sell on amino acid. That's it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, so I'm gonna do it. And on top of that, in Ben's defense, okay,

because I love Ben. If you've ever seen that guy's routine, what he does, and if you were in- It's insane. Yes, his activity level is nothing. I would think that the three of us in this room are probably closer to your lifestyle or the average person's lifestyle.

Ben Greenfield is an anomaly. Ben Greenfield is one by himself in a category. I've never met, of all of our friends, there's not another friend I have like him as far as like, the way that guy trains rigorously all the time. And a lot of it is cardiovascular. So he's running all the time and doing physical stuff. Like, okay, if I had that much activity in my day,

maybe I would consider supplementing with something like that in addition because he'll do sometimes where he goes on a run for an hour and then an hour or two later, he's lifting weights or doing archery or something else. Like, okay, someone who's got that much physical activity on a regular basis makes a little more sense to play with something like that. I could see that being more beneficial.

Guys like me and the guys in this room and probably you, not so much. Yeah, but I mean, again, the studies are very clear on this. I mean, I'll supplement with protein or I've even supplemented with essential amino acids only when my protein intake is low But if it's high, it makes no difference. It's like you're throwing, you know It's like you're in a pool and you throw a water on yourself You're not gonna get any more wet. You're already in the pool. So it doesn't it doesn't make it doesn't make a difference unless You're having trouble hitting those targets, but I mean, you know guy your size if you hit 170 180 grams You're probably you're probably hitting enough And if you want to add essential amino acids,

you can literally, like I said, you could do 10 grams of way protein instead of six essential amino acid pills and you'll get more essential, essential amino acids from the 10 grams of way protein, which is like a tiny, you know, it's a sliver of a scoop, which is why the move for me for you is literally bump every meat meal two ounces. We're always gonna go natural. You bump every meat meal by two ounces and no way protein, no supplement pill is gonna trump that. Now there was a second part to your question.

I think we might have missed. If you wouldn't mind re-asking that again. Yeah, I wanna throw in one little quick closing thing. First of all, you said that you kind of referenced the podcast you put out like a few days ago. I'm about just meals that you guys eat that you think are really awesome. I listen to that and that is super awesome. And I eat most of the things on that list.

So I think that's really cool. And I would kind of like to see one of those for supplements too. What you guys are actually using every day. I know you've said ones that are good to use, ones that you could use, but what are you actually using every day that you think is good for longevity? I like that. I like that for a single topic. Yeah. You don't want to know what I say every day. There's a huge, there's a huge discrepancy between the four of us.

And there's all very different. There's what I recommend and then there's the advice I don't take that I do for myself. That's a good episode. So that's a good episode. That's a good one. And then a second one too. And I got this idea from Ben Greenfield. He did a thing where he went through his whole routine, which

is absolutely insane, took him two hours to talk through it. And then one of the questions they asked him was, what does your wife do? And she doesn't do anything. So I think it could be cool to hear what your guys' wives do, I know you talk about you know that working out using your programs and the whole thing So I think not only you guys, but what your wives are actually soaking up from what you guys are doing to and be cool I think my second question No, no, I was just I agree. I think those are good episodes

And I think a lot of people would gain value from because I actually think that our wives and us are pretty fucking normal But yet we're all a little bit different as far as how we so we have exceptional wives I mean, could you imagine being married to us? How annoying that would be And then the last question. Let's hear it. Let's hear So you guys talk a lot about natural living and sestral health and the whole thing But you guys don't at all. It's kind of research and haven't found anything of you guys talking about organ meat supplements.

It's really clear that before we lived in civilized societies, we would eat organs first, before we ate muscle meat, we would give that organs to our women first, and we would eat them above anything else we could eat. But a lot of people don't supplement with them. I think a lot of the upper echelon health people talk about supplementing with liver, heart, whatever. But I haven't heard that from you guys. So what do you think about organ-meat supplements?

Why don't you talk about them? Yeah. No, we have. We brought them up. And we actually work with a company called Paleo Valley, and they have an organ complex supplement That I think is really good and I've recommended them organ meats are very interesting Number one, they're so nutrient dense. They're the most nutrient dense

Meat first off animal meat in general is very nutrient dense, but you go down to organ meats There's so nutrient dense you can actually run the risk of overdosing yourself on things like iron For meeting like lots of liver for example, that's how that's how dense they are. So it's a it's nature's literal multivitamin, um, very, very potent. Here's the bad part about them. They don't taste good. And we're talking to the general public. And I could tell people eat kidneys, eat heart, eat spleen, eat liver. and no one is gonna listen to me. I've never had a client like hear me say that and then go home, cook up organ meats and be like, this is amazing and I love it. Nobody likes them, they don't taste good.

Well, they are incredible. There's also hierarchy, right? Like, if I'm, and I would say 90% of my clients I ever trained under consume protein, same thing that you're struggling with right now. And so, as a coach, I'm gonna focus on helping you, giving you some basic advice that I just gave you, bumping your meat by two ounces, and that's gonna become more beneficial than me

telling you, hey, take this organ supplement. That's really what it, so we always try and focus on the, I think, the higher our care is sustainable. Yeah, but I tell you what, I mean, I took just some liver pills the other day. I see Sal take them all the time. So we utilize things like that. We've also had episodes where we've told people to take, I know Sal talked about this

a long time. We actually were on like an organ meat talk kick a long time ago. We actually talked about it a lot early on in the early days of mind pump. And we were giving tips of how Sal would, he would freeze like little one ounce chunks of organ meat and then mix it in with like his regular like- Yeah, so I do like ground beef. Yeah, so if I do like a, like you know, 10 ounces of ground beef,

I'd put like an ounce of ground liver and just kind of blend it in there and sneak it in and you can't really taste it and the kids would eat it, type of deal. But yeah, we're big fans of organ meat. You know, in the back and the kids would eat it, type of deal. But yeah, we're big fans of organ meat. You know, in the back of the day, when a child was before supplements or multivitamins existed, you know, if a kid came in and they had, you know, displayed low vitamin D or iron or if a woman was anemic,

before we had supplements, doctors would prescribe eating liver or cod liver oil. You know, kids used to take cod liver oil, he said, like, force it down kids' throats. In fact, if you watch old cartoons, you'd see like kids like fighting their mom and they're trying to force feed them a spoon of something. It's cod liver oil that they would give their kids. But again, the downside is it's not tasty, right?

But they're amazing, they're definitely amazing. But now supplements exist. If you have a nutrient deficiency, I mean, you can technically, you could satisfy that deficiency with a multivitamin or a specific supplement. But I'm a big fan of it. I wanna make it clear too.

This is none of this is new science. We've known this for a very long time, the value of organ meats and amino acids. And why you see it as such a high talking point from so many people in this industry is because they're normally pedaling their supplement. They're selling a supplement. And that's, and so it is the truth. And there's decent margins still left in that because there's not a lot of margins in a lot of supplements. And so, decent margins still left in that because there's not a lot of margins in a lot of supplements. And so, you know, to me, if somebody is talking to you about that, the very first thing that I'm going to ask is like, do they have, do they sell a supplement that is related to

that? And, and that right away should give you this red flag of why they talk about it so much. We talk about it, but we don't make a, we don't, I mean, we're sponsored by a coming like paleovali, but we make, if we sell a 10,000 organ complex versus one, it doesn't change the way we get paid advertising for their company. So, we don't push it and talk about it that much because it's not on the hierarchy of things that we can help people with. Doesn't mean that we don't believe in it or else we wouldn't be connected to it. Well, for the people that it helps, it helps a lot.

That's right. Yeah. But that, you're talking about a very small percentage of people when I think of all the things that I'm going to address and drill home to them. Let's get all these other things in order. And then we can talk about some other things that can also potentially benefit you. And so, I would always question that first is when I hear advice like that and then they also are selling that supplements like, okay, they're going to drill that home so much harder because of course they make money off of it.

And so now that being said, I give my kids organ complex, that's the supplement that I give them most often. It's got those great nutrients that I know that their bodies will need because they're growing and my kids hate organ meats, I have to sneak it in if I give them any. Getting them to eat actual liver, it's like it's worse than pulling teeth and I'd rather not create that bad relationship with food by forcing them. So I try to sneak it in and I'll give them organ complex from paleovales. Very easy to take just a few capsules. So wait, that's awesome. Thank you guys. All right, man. And I'm looking forward

to your daily routines and what your wives are doing. I appreciate it, bro. All right, bro. Get back to playing golf. Thank you. Thanks. Looks like he's playing golf right now, doesn't he? Yeah, no, it's a good question, good discussion. And you know, you hit the nail on the head the head Adam and I do want to state it differently that when there's a product to be sold you're going to get a disproportionate amount of information directed towards that product and it's going to create the illusion or the perception

that that is more important because you're getting so much information regarding that particular thing. That thing is not important to look at essential amino acids, but it's done intentionally. It's just, they're selling it, so there's gonna be more content, more blogs, more podcasts, more information directed toward this, and so the consumer, the perception they get is, oh my God, essential amino acids are way more important than looking at my calories or hitting my protein targets.

Listen, one of the things that the audience probably has no idea about that we talk about off-air and we have many, many times is creating our own supplement line. Obviously, we have a large enough audience that that would be a multi-million dollar side of the business if we chose to do that. One of the reasons why we haven't, aside from the margins being terrible and all the other bullshit that comes with it, is because it could potentially move our message. It's hard if you have a major revenue stream that is coming from that to not give it attention. You would be a poor business person then, right? If you didn't. So if we can find ways for

us to monetize this business without having to pedal supplements, it doesn't steer our conversation around that topical time. Otherwise, it would be hard for us not to do that. You know what it reminds me of, it's like when statins were invented, they very effectively lowered total cholesterol numbers. And so what was the focus being placed on in medicine? Was cholesterol, total cholesterol, gotta get that low. And it was almost like they ignored all these other, because we need to look at all the metrics.

That's what gives you the clear picture. It's not just total cholesterol. But now we have a medicine that can lower it. For 100%, we can lower your cholesterol. So what was the message center around, right? It was centered around. That and it gave the perception that this is the most important thing that I should do.

And all these other things don't matter as much, because all the information was directed that way. And that's what ends up happening with our space because of things like supplements and monoclesis. that I should do and all these other things don't matter as much because all the information was directed that way. That's what ends up happening with our space because of things like supplements and monocles. Well, there's just so many things to cover. At a certain point, you're going to get different motivations from different platforms, different people, representing certain things. There's so many avenues of health and fitness to focus on, and aren't we choose to focus on the biggest movers,

specifically, and yes, you can make arguments for a lot of these supplements that help in certain instances and situations and certain types of people that would massively benefit, but is that the majority? Yeah, I also try and put myself back in the shoes of what a B&A 17 to 21 year old kid who didn't really have

the expendable budget that I have today and I try and give advice from that perspective versus me today because Yeah, if you looked at South Subway back, he probably walks around with a thousand dollars worth of supplements all the time But you also have the disposable income to play with those things. If you were struggling and gas prices going up and it was cutting into your weekly budgets and your paycheck to paycheck, you wouldn't be taking all those supplements. That money would be going to those things

and so that matters too. It's like when I'm talking to somebody, it's like okay, if you have three to $500 to throw away every month, then why not play with all these supplements? That's fun. They're not gonna hurt you. They are beneficial and have fun with them. Adam to your routine, month, then why not play with all these supplements? Just have fun. They're not gonna hurt you. They are beneficial, then have fun with them.

Adam to your routine. But other, if not, I'm gonna first give you advice on the big rocks, the big moveers first. It's also this, as a kid, I remember getting advice from someone, it was the right advice. And he told me, lift full body, three days a week, eat a lot of chicken, eat a lot of tuna fish, eat a lot of rice, get good sleep.

And I'm like, ah, he's not telling me the real stuff. Like, had he told me to take this pill, it's this cool supplement, cost $100 a bottle, I would have been right on it. Yeah. You know, so it's just one of those things that we got to constantly battle.

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