Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1866: The Truth About Fat Burning Supplements, How Massage Can Improve Performance, Ways to Protect Your Back When Deadlifting & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:03:49 So there was a post on Twitter from, really someone who I considered to be one of the smartest people in our space, Brad Schoenfield felt. You guys know what that is? Yeah, I saw it, dude. Yeah, very, very smart guys. I was one of the best people in the muscle building space,

Starting point is 00:04:02 but he did a post, it was a bit misleading. I don't think he was trying to mislead anybody, but it did come across in a misleading way, and I think people would read it and maybe get the wrong idea. So I'm gonna read what he said, and then I'll read, I'll talk about the study that was in this that he was referring to.

Starting point is 00:04:17 So what he wrote in this was, when matched for total essential amino acid profile, no differences in muscle development or performance measures between plant and animal-based protein supplements. Additional evidence to suggest that animal proteins aren't inherently more anabolic than plant-based proteins.

Starting point is 00:04:36 So, keyword, when matched. Yes, so if you hear that, if you read that, you think, oh, it's the same. But the key here is to see that in the studies, they have to match total essential amino acid profile. Yeah, how do you do that, you think, oh, it's the same. But the key here is to see that in the studies, they have to match total essential amino acid profile. How do you do that with vegetables? Right, so what does that mean? That means you have, because plant proteins

Starting point is 00:04:54 are lower in the essential amino acids, so for people who aren't familiar, proteins are made up of amino acids. A certain number of amino acids are considered essential. They're essential because your body can't make them. You have to eat them or you'll die. So, essential amino acids make up proteins. And animal proteins are much higher in essential amino acids than plant proteins.

Starting point is 00:05:17 So if you eat enough plant protein to match the essential amino acid intake that you would get from animal protein, then the results are roughly the same. But that's the key. You'd have to eat a lot more. You'd have to eat a lot more plant protein to make the same effect or to get the same effect that you would get from animal protein because animal protein is so much higher in essential amino acids. So if you're eating a vegan diet, if you don't supplement with protein powders, in order to hit that number

Starting point is 00:05:46 of protein, which is usually studies will show about 0.6 to maybe 0.8 or 0.9 grams per pound of body weight, which is what maximizes muscle growth and performance. So that's pretty established in studies. In order to get your protein intake to be equivalent to animal protein intake, you'd have to eat a lot. You'd have to eat a lot. You'd have to eat a lot of plant protein to make up the difference because of the amino acid problem. Yeah, you're going to have to look at powdered form because the volume of that and trying

Starting point is 00:06:15 to assimilate all of those plants would be really difficult to digest. Yeah, well, people point to things like legumes, right? Or seeds or nuts. Like, you know, if you ate 50 grams of protein of beans, like what was that gonna do to your stomach? Well, try eating 50 grams of protein from beans versus let's say 50 grams of protein from eggs, or beef, or fish, or if you can tolerate dairy, milk, or whatever.

Starting point is 00:06:42 It's a law, and along with that comes a lot of other stuff, and it tends to, you know, disruptor digestion. Plus that 50 grams of protein from beans is probably gonna be equivalent to something like 35 grams of protein that you'll find from animal protein because of the essential amino acid. Well, this conversation can sound a little trivial, I think, except for the fact that

Starting point is 00:07:01 most people under consume their protein. So this is where it's not trivial. Yeah, who's eating one gram of protein per pound of body weight, average population? Right. Nobody. And I think that's the most important thing to point out in this situation.

Starting point is 00:07:13 If you are a hardcore fitness person or the vegan bodybuilder guy, that's probably gonna be offended by the way you open this, who counts his macros and hits his targets every single day. This doesn't matter. It's not a big deal. But if you're the average person who already struggles with consuming enough protein on a regular basis, and you've decided because of maybe the mainstream narrative to choose

Starting point is 00:07:38 a vegan protein because you think that's a superior or a better choice for the environment or whatever your reasons are, just keep in mind that is inferior in comparison to a way-based product, right, or an animal protein source, right? So I think that's the most important point to make. And in the study, they used a plant protein powder, but they used a mix where they combine different plant sources.

Starting point is 00:08:03 And this is what you'll have to do to get the essential amino acid. Not be able to match it. Like, for example, we work with a company called Organify, right? We've been working with it for a long time, and they have a plant protein,

Starting point is 00:08:13 and I use it because I can't tolerate dairy. But they don't have, it's not a single source of protein. Yes, not just pea protein. No, they use a lot of different sources, which combine, give you a good amino acid profile. When it comes to animal proteins, you don't have to do that. You could just have way or just have egg or just have beef and you'll get that, right? So that was, I actually commented on that post and we went a little back and forth and

Starting point is 00:08:38 said, look, when we're talking to the average person, I'm always going to comment on a whole food diet. So yes, if you're a vegan and you supplement with plant protein powders, you can make up the difference for sure. But if you don't take supplements, very difficult, very challenging. You have to, you have to, you have to do a lot of different types of plant proteins and you'd have to eat a higher protein diet with the plants to equal a lower protein diet that you would get with, with animal sources. So that's the big, that's the big reason why. And look diet that you would get with animal sources.

Starting point is 00:09:05 So that's the big reason why. And look, I've experienced this with clients. Now, I've definitely had clients who were better off eating vegan, but that had more to do with, of course, those individual variances. It had to do with their own individual body. But more than that, I've had clients who went plant-based, who then added some eggs or added some fish,

Starting point is 00:09:24 and they were like, oh my God, I feel so much better. Yeah, and that's really what we get to watch out for as the deficiencies and be able to supplement that is almost crucial if you're going in that direction. So it's just something to always consider. That's the thing about animal sources. A lot of that's already packed in there. So it's something to consider.

Starting point is 00:09:44 By the way, do you guys know what the fail rate is with vegan diets? 80 plus percent, I brought this up. Yeah, yeah. Which is, by the way, it's the same fail rate you get with any diet. Yeah. You know who sticks to a vegan diet?

Starting point is 00:09:55 The ones that are doing it for a cause, right? For moral reasons, ethical reasons. It's a belief, which I totally understand. I totally respect. But a lot of people are being coerced or convinced through propaganda that this is better for them. They don't necessarily, this really isn't a moral thing for them.

Starting point is 00:10:12 They don't have this huge ethical push for it. They're just getting this information. Then they go switch to vegan. And because it requires more planning, because they're not familiar with what I'm talking about, because processed foods tend to be plant-based, or there's more plant-based processed foods, they're not familiar with what I'm talking about because process foods tend to be plant-based or there's more plant-based process foods. They're health worsens and

Starting point is 00:10:28 they don't know why or they ignore their signals because they've been told it's better by mainstream media. It's just totally not. So I Watch something on Netflix the day that I was wondering if you guys knew I knew nothing about this person Until I saw this little mini docu series. I forgot the name of the docu series, but it was about a guy named DB Cooper. Oh, yeah. Are you both familiar? You know, I read about, of course you guys. Okay, so when I was a kid, there was a, there was a, there was a little

Starting point is 00:10:58 of DB Cooper. There was this book series that I see in the library called Unsolved Mysteries. And in there was like, Ramuda Triangle, Triangle big foot aliens and one of them was about DB Cooper a whole book dedicated to the real little liberal like skinny books right because like a whole series of and it was about this guy who did this heist and jumped out of a plane and they never found them yeah again got away with all that nobody knows what happened to him or what out of a commercial plane, which is crazy. Cause I mean, he had to slow the plane down, get him to come below.

Starting point is 00:11:29 So tell the whole story because I literally read it when I was a kid and I don't remember all the details. You haven't seen them. So there's a Netflix series that's out right now. And have you started watching it? Yeah, I watched. About two episodes of it and they recap it pretty nicely. And also there's this whole thought

Starting point is 00:11:43 that the cold case detectives that's behind it. Like, they're pretty sure and certain so far that they got the actual DB Cooper. So that's why I'm still engaged. They haven't obviously confirmed it yet. Yeah, I'm far enough alone to know that the one you're looking at right now, they fail at the community to fail.

Starting point is 00:11:59 And I don't think they solve it at all. Okay. But it's, I did not know anything. And I was like, so blown away by all the references that I had seen before and just never. I think a cultural icon. Yes. So, okay. So he, so he, okay. So he, there, there's a short plane ride from, it's the one we've been on before too. It's Portland to, that little, not Spokane, is this book, it's one of those. It's like one of those short little rides from, from Portland to Seattle or something. It's like a 45 minute flight or whatever I thought.

Starting point is 00:12:27 And he gets on there and he basically tells the stewardess that he has a bomb in his briefcase. And then remember, this is 1971, right? So like you could totally. Which was brilliant. I mean, the way that he did all this was like brilliant because he was very calm and brought her over. So it was just her and him having the conversation.

Starting point is 00:12:46 Nobody else really heard them. So there was no panic. He did it all in a way where there was no immediate pain. Which is why he's a cultural icon is because nobody got hurt. I mean, nobody got hurt. And he basically robbed the government. Have you seen the picture, the sketch of him that's from within? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:00 The glasses. Yeah, okay. Yeah, because you had his sunglasses on the entire time or what do I thought, right? So where do you get the money? I don't remember. Okay, so he asked so he says he's got a bomb and when they land at the airport in 45 minutes his demand is 200k and four life fest. Yeah, I mean for parachutes So another part of his brilliance that they talk about is that he didn't ask for one one parachute

Starting point is 00:13:22 So it gave him a faulty parachute so he wouldn't be able to jump out of the plane or something like that. Well, that also assumes that he's taking on hostages. Exactly. So they assume he's probably taking hostages with him also. So they of course give him 200k, which is now valued at like a million dollars today's money or what that, right?

Starting point is 00:13:38 So they give him is 200k, his four at that, and then the plane takes off again. When they take off again, they're flying over like a really remote area in Washington, Washington, Nevada, they're not sure exactly where, where he's at when this happens, but he sends the stewardess up front. And now he's the plane's empty. It's him as like a stewardess or two and then they like the two pilots. That's all it's on the plane on this flight. Now, and of course, there are already FBI's alerted. They're following the plane, they're tracking it,

Starting point is 00:14:05 and that, well, he sends a student it's only front, he's sitting calmly in the back and he tells the pilot to drop the, forget the drag or what about that on the plane, slow it down to like 200 miles an hour. Pilots are like, we can't do that. He's like, yes, you can, it'll fly, trust me. So he knows enough about aviation

Starting point is 00:14:22 that he, they can actually get away and do some. Lower the altitude substantially. Lower the altitude. Yeah, substantially. Lower the altitude, slow the plane down and then tells the stewardess to go up to the front and when she went to the front, he lowers the staircase out the back and literally walks out, walks out the staircase and then jumps out out the plane. Never found. Never found.

Starting point is 00:14:39 And it was like over like a crazy huge forest and they were like search parties, everything coming after him and never will. And now obviously this guy had some survival. So there's all these like speculations that he had have been like special forces or you know, for him to be able to jump out of a plane like that and know that about his speed of the planes and then he's died.

Starting point is 00:14:58 He's stuck in the chair, right? Everybody found him. Well they actually, I mean they told me, they combed that entire forest and said that there was no way that he is, his, his, his, his, he's, well, the interesting part too is like later on, like, I guess a kid found like part of the money because he asked for it all in like $20 bills, right?

Starting point is 00:15:14 Yeah. And so then like dug up and there was like, I don't know, $6,000 worth that they found. But it's like, then later on, there was speculation that maybe they came back and planted that there to kind of, you know, threw them off, you know, off trail. And also too, there's like speculation,

Starting point is 00:15:31 maybe, you know, because I guess it's like 20 something extra pounds for the amount, like 100,000 or whatever amount of cash that he wanted in 20s, like that would have like weighed him down with his parachute and they're like, maybe he left the majority of it on the plane, you know, and then had somebody on the inside kind of take it or there's all this like interesting, but you start thinking about it because it was so sophisticated how he pulled this off.

Starting point is 00:15:58 It was very, very well thought out. He was in a disguise. His hair was dyed black and shiny. They said, the people on the plane said that it was obviously he had a lot of makeup on. And so it's like his facial features, they think were probably different. So anyways, that was organized where they even saw flares at the bottom. And that never got investigated. But there was like flares, so obviously,

Starting point is 00:16:27 they're trying to think, like, well somebody marked it and then they all swooped in, picked them up, you know, cause it was very... Or he died, you know, or he just died. Or he just died, you know, sometimes we're like, we create these stories when, you know, the missile, if he died, the money would have been found.

Starting point is 00:16:42 If he would have died, you know, on the jump, he died. You know, it would be fine someone in some of these places sometimes. I don't think they comb the... Oh, by now though, I mean, it became so popular. I mean, millions of people have spent their... They get treasure hunt, look at this. Yes, like people have spent their lives.

Starting point is 00:16:56 Like, I told Katrina one of the most fascinating parts of Washington talking to me, it's like, could you imagine being married to me if I was the guy who was so fascinated with this story that I dedicated 30 years in my life trying to find him? Like come on, dude, yeah, he's like, come on, bro. Like seriously, like, I mean, it's I'm like intrigued by it, but like the dedicated your life to trying to figure this case out. Like, come on, dude, I think you got in a divorce over it. I think that's how somebody was searching for his money though. Yeah, that obsessive about his case. And I mean, they put together like this crazy CIA,

Starting point is 00:17:30 FBI, retired group of God. There's like, 40 people, they're all like 50 years above, special forces, CIA, FBI. Well, I don't know, man. I know some of the motivation is to be the guy, the cotton. Of course. Then you go down history and like your name is associated with it.

Starting point is 00:17:47 Totally. So it's, again, it's, and people that are sleuths or like, you know, detectives, like that's like the golden goose, right? You can be the guy that caught them. You imagine this guy's like a grandpa now. I was like, it's a big secret. Grandpa, tell me about, when you, how you opened up your bar? Oh, yeah, I started my bar about the coolest story ever.

Starting point is 00:18:04 Yeah, I know he just doesn't tell anybody. It's a secret. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just the, oh yeah, I started my bar. The coolest story ever. I'm sorry. No, he just doesn't tell anybody. It's a secret. I tell these on his death. I just see, I had never heard, I don't know how I'd never heard the story. I kind of ashamed of myself. I knew you guys would do that. I remember distinctly the picture of him on the book that I read.

Starting point is 00:18:17 And it's the one where he's wanting the dark glasses and it's like a sketch of his face. They said that because they released that, like that it brought in way too many leads. Like, and so this is how they didn't really get anywhere because it was such a generic white guy businessman, you know, face. It's like everybody's like turning on their neighbor and like reporting the men. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:40 It just kind of caused this like false hysteria. Some of these cases are so interesting. Didn't they catch the zodiac killer? They eventually found out who that was, right? They did, right? I'm pretty sure. After the fact. Way later.

Starting point is 00:18:50 Yeah, way later. I mean, and this was a guy that would tell the police what he was gonna do. When he was gonna do it, he would send these like, does it, does it, does it, does it, San Francisco Chronicle, right? Yeah, he would send, he would leak codes to San Francisco Chronicle.

Starting point is 00:19:02 Did they find them dug eventually? Yeah, his name was Gary Francis Post. Was he alive when they caught him or was this post after that? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Gary. I think it was after the fact. No, I mean like after he died.

Starting point is 00:19:12 Yeah, that's what I think. I don't think they pieced it together and it's like, I don't believe in that. I don't remember him serving time. Hmm. I'm pretty sure. I don't know. For sure.

Starting point is 00:19:22 Let me double check this. I've seen the dog. You know, it's weird about that whole era, that decade, like the 60s and 70s. You don't hear for sure. Let me double check this. I've seen the, I've seen the dog. You know, it's weird about that, that whole era, that, that decade, like the 60s and 70s. You don't hear about this anymore, but that was like serial killers were everywhere. Yeah. When's the last serial killer? You guys know what happened? The average started to tie it in to MKL tricks.

Starting point is 00:19:37 They started talking, what's trip, trip, yeah, they started talking about hijacks. Mm-hmm. Hijacks at that time. Oh, that was a thing wasn't it? Bro, it was four, four a month. Four a month. Could you imagine today, so it's a different time? Like, could you imagine four high jacks having a month?

Starting point is 00:19:52 Like, he will be madness. Madness. Wasn't there a plane that was hijacked by Iranian terrorist before the Olympics? Or was that the building? That guy. It was a building, okay. Was that the 1970s? I don't or was that the building that building goes a building okay is that the 1970s I don't know but the fact that I don't know In the 70s that that hijacking became and he like made it popular and became a thing. Yeah

Starting point is 00:20:16 He ruined airport security like all this stuff for us to experience now because like before that it was really cool to fly Like you'd go in and like It was the experience of it was like before that, it was really cool to fly. Like, you'd go in and like, it was the experience of it was very casual. Like there's like, there's not any security. It was less about protecting and security, and it was more about the experience. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:37 And like making sure that you like enjoy the experience. Okay, so you guys have, okay, so if you look at pictures of the experience of people flying planes in the 70s and 60s and people in trains in the 1930s and 20s, we've gone backwards. Oh, yeah, you're going to train now versus what it looked like in the 30s or you go on a plane now. It's a fart tube. It's so different. Oh, yeah, no, totally different. Yeah, it's so different. Speaking of fart too, have you guys heard of Brown noise? No, but I'm curious. What do you think Brown noise is, Justin? Well, I mean, come on, dude. I've heard of the Brown note.

Starting point is 00:21:12 They've been messing around with different frequencies. Basically, I don't know if it's just urban legend or not, but you could hit a brown note and constantly shit their pain. No, that's real. That's not what this is, but that's real. That's an experimental weapon. That's a real thing. It's an experimental weapon.

Starting point is 00:21:28 Oh, I think you actually brought one of you brought it up. It was like a military thing where they send a noise and they say, we shit their pants. Yes, you lose control of your bowels. Yes. It's like an anti-riot research, right? So is it, is it 100% effective of like one in every life? It makes you feel super ill and or you shit your pants. And then there was another

Starting point is 00:21:49 one where why didn't they pull those out? There was another one. There was another one that they fire it into a crowd. They aim it at you. And when you yell or talk, you hear your voice back in your own head like a split second later. And it disorings you so much that you don't want to say anything. So talking. They could shut up a crowd by shooting at this at them. This could come in handy. Yeah. Who put the dishes in here like, okay, so tell it,

Starting point is 00:22:14 what is brown noise then? What is brown noise? So brown noise, okay, so you know what white noise is. Yeah. So I have a white noise machine for my son. So we play that in his room and that way he doesn't hear us wake up in the morning and help some sleep and whatever, right? I feel like white noise would be like a snap

Starting point is 00:22:29 of a salty cracker. Do you understand the science behind white noise? Do you understand the science behind white noise? That's how it works. So, do you understand the science of how the white noise actually works? Does it, that it mimics the sound in the womb? Is that what it does? I don't know, I'm asking you, I don't know the answer to that.

Starting point is 00:22:46 But, so I had like this little hack that I figured out and I think I shared it on the podcast years ago, but I used it again because it was Fourth of July. I had my aunt Uncle over and they had their little dog and over and it was Fourth of July, fire was going off like crazy. And I said, and they're like, yeah, you know, he's gonna go crazy.

Starting point is 00:23:03 Well, I don't know what we're gonna do. And I said, oh, well, we could throw some white noise in there. Like I do for my dogs. And they're like, white noise. I'm like, oh, yeah. Like, well, I figured this out for the July of part of before the music. I put. And so I set them up.

Starting point is 00:23:19 And they were like blown away. They're like, oh my God, he hasn't parked at all. And because they can't decipher. Yeah. So it does. It like, oh my God, he hasn't parked at all. Because they can't decipher. Yeah, so I think it somehow blocks it. If the fireworks are happening outside and as long as I can make the white noise between, they're not able to, maybe it doesn't disrupt them as much.

Starting point is 00:23:37 Yeah, I mean, they didn't single people out of them. Well, so brown noise is a much lower frequency and it helps, they're finding studies. It helps people with autism, ADHD, other neurodivergent conditions, where people feel calm, like they'll play it, and people will say, oh my God, I feel so calm and focused when the sound is like,

Starting point is 00:24:00 I wonder if the brain FM is using that. I guarantee. So Doug just pulled up white noise. Since white noise contains all frequencies at equal intensity, it can mask loud sounds that stimulate your brain. Doug, look up with magic for dogs. Oh, wait, look at this.

Starting point is 00:24:15 Pink noise versus there's pink noise. Brown noise, black noise. Hold on, what's pink noise? Pink noise? What's that? What is pink noise? Thank you, Justin, for that. Wow. So the color of noise is determined by the energy of the sound signal. Specifically, it depends on how energy is distributed over

Starting point is 00:24:35 various frequencies or the speed of sound. Okay, so what is pink noise? Nature is full of pink noise, including rustling leaves, steady rain, wind and heartbeats. So, obviously, so in the background and they'll feel kind of calm and stuff. What is it? Brown noise also called red noise has higher energy at lower frequencies. This makes it deeper than pink and white noise. Examples of brown noise include low roaring, strong waterfalls and thunder.

Starting point is 00:25:21 I love thunder. Not real thunder though. Pretend. Oh, real thunder. I don't like real thunder. I can thunder. Not real thunder though, pretend. Oh, real thunder. I don't like real thunder. I can't sleep with real thunder. What's black noise? Is there black noise too? Yes, there is.

Starting point is 00:25:31 So, black noise is an informal term used to describe lack of noise. It refers to complete silence or mostly silence with bits of random noise. Oh, okay. Have you guys, did you guys know that there's a room? It's the most soundproof room in the world, apparently. They've designed it.

Starting point is 00:25:52 Want to make you go crazy if you're new? That's what they said. Yeah. Maybe you could look it up to, I think the longest, there's like a record for the longest someone's ever been in there. It's not very long. It's like a few minutes. Because it's so silent in there, you hear the blood pumping through your veins.

Starting point is 00:26:05 So you can hear your own internal, and it literally drives people crazy. Where is it? Like, is it way underground? No, I think it's, I think it's in the bear. Our office like a float tank from that. I feel like a float tank, you get that. No, not like this.

Starting point is 00:26:18 This is so, Well, that takes care of your other senses, right? So like, you're just, you feel like you're suspended, but then like taking all the notes through your whole. That's that it. That's not it. Look up Doug, the most soundproof room in the world. Yes. Oh wow. Okay. What does it say? It's the anicoic chamber of or field laboratories in Minnesota. The space is so quiet that the longest anybody has been able to bear it was 45 minutes. How bad I would love to go in. I do. I just see what it's like. I'm curious. I'm curious. So that doesn't look like if you're just looking at it. So does it?

Starting point is 00:26:56 Does it mess with you because if I were to like if you were to speak you would not hear your voice because your voice wouldn't bounce off the wall and give you feedback or something or would you just die here too much of yourself? I think that's something like what Justin said. So the quieter room, the more things you hear, your ears start to adapt to the quietness. You'll hear your heart beating, sometimes you'll hear your lungs and hear your stomach gurgling loudly.

Starting point is 00:27:18 Yeah, just to the stomach gurgles worse. Yeah, just talking to you. And that's a good, I want one of those rooms for my kids act up. Hey, you know what I mean? Well, five minutes of the quiet room. Oh, she's talking to you. And that's a good, I want one of those rooms for my kids act up. Hey, you know what I mean? Well, five minutes of the quiet room. Yeah, the quiet room. Why we're on all this crazy stuff?

Starting point is 00:27:31 Did you guys see that what Audi does in their new cars, the new technologies they have with red lights? Mm-hmm. This is cool. And Doug maybe could pull us up. Andrew, have you seen this yet on the red lights? Okay, this is cool. So, and I don't know what Y Audi has access to this,

Starting point is 00:27:46 but their new cars now have the timing of all the lights, signals, and we'll tell you when your lights about to turn green. What's even cool in that, they took it a step further that let's say how you put in your like your ways app, and you say where you're going, it'll tell you the speed to keep to hit all green lights. Oh my god. That's sick. Is that sick or what?

Starting point is 00:28:10 A dad invented that exactly dude. That was a dad. You're not going to tell your kids that you know this, right? I've always done this to try and time. I look over to the left at like the light that's like just turned red. You trick them. Yeah. Given the old Jedi mind trick. Oh, oh, I, they're like, wow. Yeah, I got away with that for a long time with my kids. Yeah, for a long time.

Starting point is 00:28:30 Like, but I change, change the light. Like, I don't feel like it. Nah, I don't. All right, fine. So there used to be, there used to be an old trick that you could do that I haven't tried it a long time. Swing flicker your life. Yes.

Starting point is 00:28:40 Is that a myth? So I thought that too. Yeah, because it, that's worked like maybe one out of 20 times for me. So the story is that the emergency personnel have a flickering light they shine. It's true. It's the light to change.

Starting point is 00:28:54 Is that true? I've heard that. I don't know if it's true or not. It might be one of those like 90s. Somebody that's working back there. All of us that, dude. We all heard that. Is it urban legend or is it true, Doug?

Starting point is 00:29:04 I'm gonna look it up. I did that all the time as a kid. I rolled up and I flipped it, flipped it, and then, yeah. It's like, maybe I'm not getting the timing of it or something. It might be like the blowing in the Nintendo cartridge. Everybody just thought it worked. I don't care what anybody did. They did a study on it. That's really, did it study?

Starting point is 00:29:18 They swear to God. What about, he is why some studies are faulty, bro. I don't believe that still. Hold on. Oh. The United States police ambulance have access to some special spotlight. Stoplights, the strobe lights,

Starting point is 00:29:28 when trigger can change the lights to green. Yes. They're by line emergency. It is true. There's probably none of them around here though. Yeah, they probably changed the light. Wow, that's a real thing though. Okay. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:29:38 So it used to work, so there was a light in my hometown that it used to work on. And that's why, and like that's where I- You lived in the cuts. Yeah, yeah, no, that's just one white. Yeah It's a stop three. I have no cars with a field. Yeah, keep going Did you guys that did you guys do that because you're in such a like a Roma area? You're listening. Yeah, yeah, you run a lot a lot We run a lot of lights and you run a lot of stepstimes for sure too, but I've been busted for that too

Starting point is 00:30:03 So did you really yeah, yeah, of course, because you think you've assumed that there's no cop and then you just have happen to roll it when there's a cop there. So I gotta take it once for doing a burnout. Just I just decided to be cool because I had girls in my car. So I'm like, check this out.

Starting point is 00:30:18 I did it. Got pulled over and I, and the cops are, hey, they threw me down, they put me on the hood. Oh my God, like that? Cuffed me? Yes, I think they were trying to teach me. I mean, now I was an adult.

Starting point is 00:30:27 So I got to, so I did a burnout in a residential area and the car in front of me was a suburban and it was an undercover. And he threw his siren on top of his room. Right in front of you? Yeah, and then came out and fucking, yeah, I guess. You made some brown noise after that. Oh no. Oh yeah, I guess you made some brown noise after that. Oh no.

Starting point is 00:30:45 Oh yeah, I was like, one of the chances the car in front of me is undercover like that dude and then yeah, but he didn't do it. I mean, I don't think technically he can do anything. He wasn't on duty. He was totally dressed in like, he wasn't like, he didn't scare it. Yeah, he did.

Starting point is 00:30:58 I was like a 16 year old kid, you know, so he came over and like, try to, you know, threaten me and say, I lose my life. That's, I think they were trying to scare me because he pulled up, it, so I did the burnout. I saw the lights and I'm like, oh, fuck. And then he pulls up, he gets out of his car and I'm in my car and he goes,

Starting point is 00:31:15 do you know why I pulled you over and I played stupid? Cause I didn't see him before. And I'm like, he must have heard me and he's guessing. Yeah. So I'm like, no, get out the fucking car. And that was it. It is switch went off and he gets me out, cuffs me. And I remember being like, God damn, bro, this is a little excessive.

Starting point is 00:31:28 Like I just did a burnout and calm down. When we were in your whole speech about why I shouldn't do it, why it's so dangerous or whatever. When we were in high school, we got like three cop cars, pull us over, took us all up, put us against the car. And so supposedly it was like a Friday night,

Starting point is 00:31:44 we were driving in my buddies suburban, and his dad had a custom license plate that said Ben to the top, but with shorten, because you can't say Ben to the top. So it was like, B-E-N-T-T-P or something like that, right? And the cops pulled us over and they thought, for sure, we were these people that were like

Starting point is 00:32:03 T-P-ing houses and harassing people all weekend because they got all these calls. Oh, because it said T. P. Yeah, because it said Ben T. P. And and that was like they're like that's so much your thing. You get a customized last play. We got jackets. Yeah. I really thought that was a T. P. game. I literally thought that's literally the thought. Tell me you guys are. Your license plates as big. He's like, uh, that means Ben to to the top my dad's a big rock climber

Starting point is 00:32:29 We love TPs We get a license It's like a Reno 911 fucking episode Must be that guy right there. Show us the toilet paper. Yeah. I can't handle the back of the issue. Oh no. No, I don't want to enjoy the episode. A hundred percent felt like that.

Starting point is 00:32:52 Hey, speaking of dad, so I gotta tell you guys about my dad, right? So, you know, you guys know how he uses Ned, right? He uses Ned, because it helps him with his inflammation, his joints, he feels better when it takes it. But anyway, I gave him the capsules. So they have, so for people who don't know, Ned is a hemp oil extract, and you can either buy it in a bottle

Starting point is 00:33:12 where you can squeeze out like a, in a dropper, so like a thick of tincture, or you can buy it in capsules. It's the same exact thing. The only difference is capsules more convenient, and you don't taste it or whatever, but otherwise it's the same product. So anyway, I give him the capsules all the time and he only takes one or two max every day He takes it in the morning good for his arthritis whatever anyway. He ran out

Starting point is 00:33:33 So it's like a hastal goes do you have any more net? It's the idea I have some at work. So I come here We ran out of the capsule so I said I'll give you the same thing. It's in a drop or though Use that for now until Ned says it sends up some sends us some more capsules So I give it to him give you the same thing. It's in a drop or though. Use that for now until Ned sends us some more capsules. So I give it to him. I think nothing of it. Anyway, I go over my parents' house. It's like, I don't know, like a week later.

Starting point is 00:33:52 And my dad, you know, he's barbecuing and he goes, you know what's sad? I've been feeling really weird. I said, what do you mean, really weird? I don't know, I feel a weird all day. You know, it's hard to focus and this and that. So we're going through this thing like, what do you talking about?

Starting point is 00:34:05 Are you okay? Like what's going on? So that dawns on me. I'm like, how many, how much of the net are you taking? Yeah. And he goes, oh, I squeeze it, you know, I take it. I said, what do you mean you squeeze it? I said, do you know that, that, like,

Starting point is 00:34:19 and if you see on the dropper, there's like lines or whatever. And I showed him, I said, this much is equivalent, because it's a strong bottle. I give him the real strong, And I showed him, I said, this much is equivalent, cause it's a strong bottle. I give him the real 600 milligrams. Yeah, I said, this much is equivalent to a capsule. Oh no, cause I did the whole. Yeah, so my dad was getting,

Starting point is 00:34:35 hell, I can't have it, I was about to figure out, I was feeling kinda weird. I'm like, dad, this is strong. This is really, really high dose. You have to, you need a very little mount. That's why it lasts so expensive. So he's like, okay, it was just. This is really, really high dose. You need a very little mount. That's why it lasts so expensive. So he's like, okay, it was just cracking me up though. Cause my dad, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:49 it's breaking my heppocondraque. I feel a bit weird, you know, I don't know what's going on. He's happy to. Yeah, my mom's like, oh my god, your dad's been telling me he's going to die or something. Well, I was going to be a bit pissed driving back. I told you, brother, the dogs are me and they're driving me crazy.

Starting point is 00:35:03 And I gave Arlo some because it was like, they were from? Yeah, yeah, he totally was just, and I kind of felt a little, I'm like, oh no, I hope he doesn't get sick or anything because he was at that point where he always tries to just like, forcibly snuggle you. Like, we call him the invasive lover.

Starting point is 00:35:22 Like, he was just, he just smashed that. It sounds bad. It sounds bad, but it's true. And so he was like in the back of my truck, you know, kind of making his way up and then he starts kind of wobbling a little in his eyes or like this. He's like, ooh, and then like lay down buddy,

Starting point is 00:35:37 lay down. And then finally once he laid down, out, did like, the majority of the trip is chill. It's strong, because my dad, he had some CBD gummies that my aunt gave them. And he's like, oh, he's like, it doesn't work. I'm like, that I said, the dose that I,

Starting point is 00:35:52 Ned is constant strong. You feel it. This other stuff, you have to be like 15 gummies to notice anything at all. It's strong stuff. So he literally one cap, one little, and they're small, one little capsule or whatever. And he's like, it's, it's, our

Starting point is 00:36:05 brightest and everything feels much better. It was just funny to hear him. I had to like detective it. You know, speaking of our partners that we work with, Max has become a huge magic spoon guide. Oh really? Yeah, yeah, that's like his, like one of his go-to snack, he'd eat a dry too. So we just fill it up in his little...

Starting point is 00:36:22 That's so grazy and way protein. I, well, you know, one of the things I was telling Katrina is that I really want to launch in dinner really good, but breakfast, you know, breakfast is, you know, waffles pancakes. Oh, I mean, there's just not a lot of just get drawn to those crazy. Yeah. It's just it's carb heavy. Yeah. And I was telling her I'm like, and he loves waffles and pancakes and it's normal. Right. Well, you know, it's basically cake, you know, he's the cake for breakfast. It's in the game, by the way.

Starting point is 00:36:50 Yeah, he gave it away. It's pretty much cake for breakfast, huh? You know, say it was with some sugar. He did drizzle them over the top of it. So not weird that he said he loves it, right? Especially for a kid who doesn't get any other sugar, right? So I've been trying to get her to add like more meats or more proteins in there.

Starting point is 00:37:07 And, you know, he just tends to gravitate towards the sweeter, more carbohydrate type of foods for breakfast, but she has recently introduced magic spoon for him. And this, I don't know, we're probably on, we did it before vacation. So we're probably on week three or four now of consistently, it's now become a staple.

Starting point is 00:37:23 And he actually asked for it all time now. So I'm pretty excited. Yeah, no, it's great. And it's not against the protein. Right, which is, I think, you know, I think it starts now like trying to make sure that they're doing that consistently. I think that's part of why I struggled with it most my life was that our meals weren't centered around a protein. And I think if had I been raised that way, I think it'd have been easier for me to go after and get protein. I was trained carb heavy food. I could tell a difference when Aralius has a protein

Starting point is 00:37:52 heavy breakfast, which he usually does, but sometimes he doesn't. I could tell a difference in his behavior. He's just more, it's, you know, remember we did the episode with the CGMs? They talked about having a protein heavy breakfast, controls blood sugar throughout the day, regardless of what you eat later on.

Starting point is 00:38:10 It makes a difference. I feel like I could tell if he has fruit in the morning or something that's more carbohydrate heavy, I notice a little difference in his behavior. But luckily, he likes, and what he usually has is three egg yolks. He doesn't even have the whites, he just eats the yolks almost every doesn't even have the whites.

Starting point is 00:38:25 He just eats the yolks almost every single morning. Yeah, that's really good. That is really good. Yeah, it makes me... Anyway, I got to tell you guys about something I learned about the other day, that, you know, the internet, when I remember when it, when it, I'm old enough to remember when it really became a thing, and the opportunities that we're going to open up and all the different markets and things, and ways you can make money money and ways you communicate with people

Starting point is 00:38:46 and it was just all these wonderful dreams and I didn't realize that. This also meant you could do all kinds of weird shit and go in the wrong direction, whatever. Anyway, did you know that there's a category of men that women will cater to online and make money off of and they're called, they have a term for these guys. No, they're called pay pigs. Pay pigs? Pay pigs. Okay, you know what a pay pig is?

Starting point is 00:39:12 No, I don't. These are men. I mean, you introduce Broney's to me. Now pay pigs. This is interesting, dude. Broney's isn't interesting. This isn't, this is, to me, blows me away. These are men that they're online and they go on these pay sites with women and they get off on women demanding money from them and them giving women money. If I was a chick, I would be so all over that dude. You don't have to show any side of me. You have to pay pigs. Yeah, they like to they like to be, they like to be fined. That's what they call it, fined. So they find them, they'll, they'll give them disparaging remarks,

Starting point is 00:39:51 like you idiot, you, whatever. So they like to be talked down to, and then they like to be told, you gotta pay me, you gotta pay me a thousand dollars because you didn't do what I told you or because you're an idiot or whatever. I don't like your hat. That's a 50 dollar fine.

Starting point is 00:40:03 And they get off on these Send These Women Money. I was reading about this one woman. That is a team. There was one woman that was making a couple thousand dollars a week off of like three or four pay pigs. And they just pay her, because she tells them and they get off on it. I swear, I'm not making this up.

Starting point is 00:40:18 It's the craziest thing ever. I don't have to show them. Why don't you have to show them? I don't have to show them. Why don't you have to show them? I don't have to show them. The market would be saturated right away. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:26 Wow. Can you believe that? That is fascinating. I know your wheels are turning out. I do. I do. I can do that. I don't think I'll do that all day long.

Starting point is 00:40:34 They must have just been, like, as a kid. I'm just like trying to picture like this pay pig guy growing up, you know, like just being scolded constantly and was just like, oh, no, no, hold on. Hold on. Look at what it says. Now your average side hustle, the women making thousands from pay pigs who enjoy being financially dominated, that's the term. Financially dominated.

Starting point is 00:40:56 And they don't have to do anything other than like, yell and get us to find salt in the men. No, it's called being financially exploited and they get off on it. Okay, so what caught any guesses? Always when you have these weird fetishes, there is some sort of like psychological thing that's happened.

Starting point is 00:41:13 Hold on, hold on, scroll down Doug, I wanna read more right there. It's a commonality. It says, one woman who's cashing in on the fetish says she starts a typical day by posting a degrading Twitter message. Telling her followers to pay her. Right, like, is Ryzen Shine my little ATMs?

Starting point is 00:41:28 I know exactly what buttons to push to make you spit out as much money as I want, and I do it with an evil smile. Oh, wow! And they pay her. Wow, that's insane. All right, so what's like, money slaves, like, fandom,

Starting point is 00:41:40 fandom, pay pig, and money slave? Dude, this is a whole nother level because I remember, like, you know, there was like a, there was like Amazon wish lifts where a lot of like, like girls would point to, like yeah. And then guys, like, oh, hoping to get some kind of reward or attention, which is buy them,

Starting point is 00:41:59 like whatever that's super common. Yeah, but like this is like, they get nothing in return. Well, what do you know know it sounds like to me? It's like virtual dominatrix. Oh, it's like in the category, yeah. Yeah, it's like the virtual form of that because I can't see you in person.

Starting point is 00:42:13 And then probably guys that have despicable incomes right that have so much money that it's maybe, or maybe they don't. It's really bad if you're like, look what it says, they want to be laughed at and called pathetic. This is sad, dude. You really would break it down. I don't know, to me, the guy that poor bastard,

Starting point is 00:42:29 like to me, this was strange about it is because normally, you know, they would have to like show them nudity or do like that. Yeah, but I'd be interested. You need nothing out of that. I'd be interested. I mean, you're assuming that I think they're powerful men who have a lot of money who are used to being in power and in control and they get off on not being powerful and it can nobody tells them no anymore. That's right. So they need someone to punk

Starting point is 00:42:53 Everyone's afraid of them. Everyone's afraid of them. Everyone does what they say They got all the power. They have the money and so they get off on somebody else who is instead of physical pain I mean that's what I would I would guess that's more likely than the dude who's like barely getting by financially and is gets punked all day. You know what I'm saying? It just reminds me of billions, right? Yes, yeah, we do.

Starting point is 00:43:15 Like he's a powerful figure that everybody is fearful of him and so he gets off on the, Yes, somebody else like whipping them around. Yeah, I would, I would, yeah. But there literally, this has to be the easiest, I don't know, it else like whipping them around. Yeah, I would, I would, I would literally, this has to be the easiest, I don't know, it's like literally a score. It has a gold mine. Yes.

Starting point is 00:43:30 I mean, and it was a brilliant chick who figured it out first. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like she's genius. And does she feel bad? Or does she feel like, well, hey, that's a lot of fun. No, she created a genre, she's brilliant. Hopefully she wrote a book. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:42 I see it, there's a, see it, there's a pay-pig book, Doug. There's gotta be some, some girl figured this out. You know what, I hate to say it, you know. And she went, she probably hooked her homies up and said. I hate to say it, but it's always, it's always man. That art, that will give money for the weirdest stupidest shit. What is wrong with man?

Starting point is 00:43:58 I don't know, they're paying for it. You know there's no woman. There's no, there's not much wrong with man. What's wrong with man or women are just a step ahead. Are they smarter? I think probably both, but I don't, I don't, I, I guarantee you, I guarantee you. I guarantee you there's not a single woman on earth

Starting point is 00:44:14 that gets off on giving a man money because he tells her that she needs to give him money. There's not a single one. This is a guy thing. So weird. What is wrong with two? It's not understanding. I mean, I think I'm gonna stick with my guess that it's, it's, it's men that are in power and have money

Starting point is 00:44:29 and are used, they get that all the time. And so this is just- It was a document last very long. If you're just like your average dude, he's like just taking- Well, he ever used to get his bank account by everybody and by his wife and everybody. It's already, I don't need to pay for this shit.

Starting point is 00:44:43 He's already losing. Yeah, he's already get pumped to work. And you've not hooked it pay for this shit. He's already losing. Yeah. He's already get pumped to work and you've not hooked it home. You're not married. These are single guys. Yeah. Literally I'm living under a bridge

Starting point is 00:44:51 because if you was married, you'd be happy at home with me. This dude is like power, money, everyone's afraid of me, he punks everybody else. I don't know, okay. So there was this show, I think it was on HBO called Real Sex. I think that's the one I saw where they'd go into like weird stuff.

Starting point is 00:45:06 I want to see your, you're, you're cute. Bro, real sex is old. Yeah, you know what? Just a, just a minute. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, the taboo was another one. Sex rooms was your last record. No, that's Netflix.

Starting point is 00:45:18 No, so they talked about, you know, being dominated or being submissive or whatever. And a lot of it has to do with how they deal with trauma. So people who've been abused or whatever, it's like them getting control over this trauma and it becomes sexually satisfying because they can still get out of it. They still have to see people like somehow

Starting point is 00:45:41 like them growing up, they must have had that like super negative comments and feedback. That's what I think. So that's a good guess. I mean, I could see that too. I could see somebody who like their mom, okay. It's like a mommy issue, right?

Starting point is 00:45:54 Their mom punked the shit out of them and told them they were worthless and they're all this stuff like that. And so they're trying to gain control of it. Right, right. And they got older and successful and did their own thing and now they try and get it and now they have control as they can pay and stop whenever they want. So they actually can stop the bull from saying it.

Starting point is 00:46:06 I don't know. That's messed up. Yeah, I think that's super wild. You know what else I read? I read something yesterday that I have a fact check so maybe Doug can fact check me. TikTok is catching up to Google on search. Wow.

Starting point is 00:46:21 Are you serious? Yes. I don't like that. I forgot what the percentages were, but they were starting to say, even like a restaurant reviews or something like that, like it's become between certain age groups obviously, that they rarely use Google anymore.

Starting point is 00:46:33 They go to TikTok to find these things out. How does it, how does it, how does it become? It says nearly 40% of Gen Z users prefer using TikTok and Instagram for internet searches over traditional Google search. Well, I don't trust TikTok just because I know that it's controlled by China and they do change the algorithm for some countries versus their own.

Starting point is 00:46:53 And I look, I tell you what, our own CIA is done in this other country. So of course they're doing this. I think that they're in there trying to manipulate, you know, kids and... She knows it's wild. I mean, I looked into that and I took to fact check it and from what I know it's from what I found, it's true. Yeah. That what you what you said and I was blown away by and I've told that to so many people since then. What I think is crazy is that I've told that to so many people and it's not changing anyone's doing care. Yeah. Yeah. I know it's just weird. Yeah, sense of like facts and being able to kind of like go back and

Starting point is 00:47:28 and and utilize like all those ways that we used to make sure like it was valid information. Like I feel like like that whole thought process now was like being absolved right in front of us. Well, those are just study that just came out that says that social media, because social media hasn't been around long enough to really have lots of studies, been like a lot of speculation. But this new study shows that social media makes young people unhappy

Starting point is 00:47:55 and negatively impacts their finances. So there's more and more evidence on that. If you're asking me to get theocracy, okay, I think I have. We're headed there, if not, we're there already. Yeah. Watch that movie again. You never watch that?

Starting point is 00:48:09 That's everybody's homework. It does sound pretty lame. This guy goes in one of those cryo, cryo things or whatever and ends up waking up way later. He's just an everyday, ravaged guy, but the world population continues to get down around the mountain. He's a genius in that culture.

Starting point is 00:48:22 So as soon as he wakes up, he's in the future and he's like a genius because everybody's so dumb the president is a pro wrestler Yeah, it's so funny Did you know it's pretty without off air? We were just talking betting on the rock being the freaking president Exactly, it's it's a viable option if nobody drinks water in the future They all drink this drink called was it Brando or something like that? It's like this power a drill Maybe I have a sound here. I'm at the plan to let's go electrolytes. Yeah, how old is it? How is it like that? It's like this power age. Maybe I haven't seen it. They can't be around with a plan to buy it. Let's go electrolytes.

Starting point is 00:48:46 Yeah. How old is it? How old is it? Oh, it's old. It's old, but it's so on point, man. 2006. Oh, wow. It's a cult classic.

Starting point is 00:48:55 Like, it never really got lots of, like, in senomant type of, it sort of sounds like. Well, it's kind of like office space kind of vibes. Yeah, because it was, I think my, his name is Mike Judge. The guy who did the even some butthead, he wrote it. Oh, hey, you want to talk about, because it was I think my his name's Mike judge the guy who gave us some but had he wrote it Yeah, oh, hey, you want to talk about a you know going back you hear that Toys of Russ is coming back Really remember they went bankrupt really they're they're bringing it back

Starting point is 00:49:14 There's there's a I think a mall I want to say on the East Coast that they're gonna have a Toys of Russ and apparently Toys of Russ is gonna Make try make a comeback who's cool. I was kind of bummed that they went with a ownership, new CEO, who's real. I don't know the details. Are they pivoting on what they were doing? That's a good question. You know, I always, I was crazy to me to see them go under like that because I mean, Toys R Us is a kid.

Starting point is 00:49:34 I remember being like one of the coolest places ever. And they were one of the first places to do this, which I thought was brilliant. Oh, it's Macy's is gonna bring back. Oh, so it's Macy's bottom up. It's gonna brand Toys R Us and bring it back to every store. This holiday back, it's gonna brand Toys or Us and bring it back to every store, this holiday season, in store shops.

Starting point is 00:49:49 Nice. Where they're gonna be a thousand square feet in small locations, up to 10,000 square feet in large locations, where they're gonna have little Toys or Uses. Why, what's your guys' opinion? You think Amazon killed them? Yeah, you think Amazon killed KB Toys, Toys or Us?

Starting point is 00:50:03 Like, all those little mini Toys stores that were huge in the 80s for us. Two Toys or Us was a juggernaut. So it was KB toys, toys or us? Like, all those little mini toy stores that were huge in the 80s for us? Two toys or us was a juggernaut. So was KB toys. KB toys was like, every mall. Every mall, KB toys existed. And then toys or us was everywhere. And they completely went away.

Starting point is 00:50:17 Is it, was it Amazon that killed them? You think? Probably the competition was so, it was so heavy. Yeah, I, you know, now the reason why I think that they're bringing it back is then soldier. Cause you know they're gonna bring it back and I think you're gonna see, like parents like us, I'm gonna get excited.

Starting point is 00:50:31 If I see a Toys of Residence. Well, do you guys remember, so Toys of Res did this. They were the first ones to do it. And I know I've seen other stores adopt it since then, but for Christmas, you give your kid the little gun and he could run around and shoot and shoot the toys he wants, and then it builds their Christmas list. Yeah, that was smart.

Starting point is 00:50:50 Oh, I thought that was so brilliant. Because every kid was so excited to go do that. When I was a kid, that was the greatest place ever. Yeah, there was a Toys of Russ in San Jose over here, it was on Blossom Hill, and I remember, we drive by, and I'd scream, oh, let me go ahead and go, no, we're not going on a, and then the few times when they would turn in the parking lot,

Starting point is 00:51:10 like I remember one year, I wanted in Nintendo, this one NES first came out, and I wanted it so bad, it was expensive back then, my parents didn't have a ton of money with four kids or whatever, and I remember I cried, because I wanted it so bad, and I think my dad felt bad or whatever.

Starting point is 00:51:25 And we were driving and my dad just, he just turned into the parking lot and my heart's like jumping. And I'm like, are we going to Twizzora? Or are we going to Cosplus next door? Which one? I remember that. Sure enough, we go inside the Twizzora

Starting point is 00:51:38 and it was like the greatest thing ever and it goes, show me the Nintendo you want. It was like the greatest thing of all time. I remember, I have fond memories of Twizz of us also it's just it was a great store So it's crazy to think how another business like Amazon can cut totally just rip the hard out They need a new mascot stupid drafts though. I thought the zebra looking giraffe thing was cool. What? Yeah, zebra looking multicolored giraffe or whatever was wait. Are you thinking about the was he like a multi-colored giraffe? I think you're confusing the gum the zebra gum

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Starting point is 00:52:34 Chew, chew toy. No, it's something else. It's, it's a girl's name. No, dude. Okay. So I was wrong about that. Let's see if I'm wrong with it. With a J or a G.

Starting point is 00:52:42 No, put, put giraffe chew toy for kids. Popular giraffe chew toy. It's named something else. It's with a J or a J. No, put Jiraf Chutoy for kids, popular Jiraf Chutoy. It's named something else. It's like Sophie. It's Sophie. It's not Jeffrey. Maybe you guys named that. Oh bro, if I'm right on this one, that's it.

Starting point is 00:52:53 It's over. You're gonna make up for that. That's it. Sophie. Oh my God, Adam. It is Sophie. Look at that. See what happened.

Starting point is 00:53:00 I was wrong one time. Maybe that's a female version. Where's the male version? There's a female version. You know you're chasing the baby. I did it. That's why you think that's a female version. Where's the male? You know you changed the Jeffrey. We got your son Sophie as Jeffrey now. Here's Jeffrey. Jeffrey the toy. You also confused the you thought you said multicolor. You're talking about the gum. I am with the zebra. That was tasty but last

Starting point is 00:53:22 the 20 seconds fruit. Fruit something. I forget. Let's call it. You're right. Fruit stripes or something like that. Yeah, the the toys. So was tasty, but last of 27. Yeah, fruit something, I forgot what's called. You're right, fruit stripes or something like that. Yeah, the toister I always wanted to go to was you remember that movie, Big with Tom Hanks? Yes. And then they went in and they jump on the, isn't that in the Bay Area?

Starting point is 00:53:35 No, that's in New York. Yes, in New York. It's a famous toy store. What's the name of it? It still exists if I'm not mistaken. I forget, but it's like a rich name. I was always like, why don't they have this,

Starting point is 00:53:44 I wanna go to this place, like as a kid, I was always like why don't they have this like I want to go to this place Like as a kid that was like I couldn't even believe that there's like those kind of toys You could go around it's a famous toy store that all there it is fruit stripe. Yes, that's exactly that gum lasted Maybe 10 seconds. You chew the whole pack with My wife's chocolates. Yeah, F.A.O. Sh shorts. Yes, definitely. And it was like some weird, sounds like an investment firm. Hey, dude, what's F-A-O? Or like a diamond star.

Starting point is 00:54:08 It's a huge fund, you know? So what do you, okay, I'm really, I'm curious. Maybe you can find out if you looked at why, why toys were us went bankrupt because. Better make enough money. Well, obviously, right? But I mean, it was still a prop, don't you remember? I mean, I was like,

Starting point is 00:54:22 Well, my kids were on the tail end. They like literally grew up going there and I took them there and it was so abrupt, don't you remember? I mean, I was like, well, my kids were on the tail end. They literally grew up going there, and I took them there, and it was the same kind of cool experience. And then all of a sudden, it was like, that year was gone. Well, according to the Motley Fool, because the company had a tremendous amount of debt due to a leveraged buyout used to take the company private,

Starting point is 00:54:39 that stopped the retailer from investing in stores at the time when demand faltered and major retail. There you go. So it actually wasn't, okay. That makes way more sense. stop the retailer from investing in stores at the time when demand faltered and major retail. There you go. So it actually wasn't. Okay. That makes way more sense. Now, I actually went, which by the way is rarely successful, like what Elon was about

Starting point is 00:54:53 to do with Twitter. Yeah. Is it over public to probably. Yeah, go public to private and then, and then revive it is not commonly. You're not hard. Yeah, it's very. I remember when Toys of Us went downhill. I remember when it went from this fun great place to like I'd go there

Starting point is 00:55:07 I remember what used to be like super cleaning cool to go to then became like a real dirty toys Yeah, yeah, I remember that trend. I'm sure it was right around this time Well, I'm excited that they're gonna come back. Can't wait to take my kid and have him get excited So if Macy's owns them then is it now back to being a publicly, you know, traded Stockton because it's under Macy's it. Yeah, Macy's is I then, is it now back to being a publicly traded stock then because it's under Macy's it? Yeah, Macy's is. I don't know. Yeah, that's what the walled.

Starting point is 00:55:31 I know they're going to be in Macy's, but I don't know if Macy's owns the deal or what the deal is. It's a partnership, so I don't think they own it. Interesting. Oh, they probably got a really good deal on it, then if it's gone bankrupt, right? Imagine they got it for pennies on the dollar for its name. So interesting. That's really cool.

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Starting point is 00:56:31 for 20% off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Sarah from Massachusetts. Hey Sarah, thanks for calling in. How can we help you? Hey, thanks for having me. You got it. I am actually a very new listener.

Starting point is 00:56:45 I only found your podcast two weeks ago, one of my own clients actually recommended it. So I've been really trying to catch up on the episodes, but there's a lot. So, wow. Yeah. I do have a question about supplements, actually. So I am a personal trainer and nutrition coach and I recently started my own cut just a couple months ago after being at round maintenance for five years. So I started seeing really great results after using a couple different fat burners, the Legion fat burner and a Yo-Him, a Yo-Him bean

Starting point is 00:57:21 supplement. And then more recently I started taking a fedron. And so I was curious what kind of supplements like these have side effects that should be aware of. Do they require cycling off of to remain efficient and effective and what your thoughts are on those? Yeah, okay, so first off, thanks for listening to the show. Let's talk a little bit about fat burners, quote unquote, and what they actually do in the body. So, Yohinge, Ephedra, Caffeine can even be put kind of loosely in this category. Siniferin is another compound that probably can be put in this category. These are all very strong central nervous system stimulants.

Starting point is 00:58:03 And what they do is a dramatically increased the production of what's called catecholamine. So epinephrine, nor epinephrine, maybe even adrenaline, spike and cortisol. These give you lots of energy, so you get hyped. They're appetite suppressing, so you probably want to eat less. What are the side effects of that? Well, it's a stress response in the body.

Starting point is 00:58:23 So you are increasing the amount of stress that you're producing your body kind of artificially, not necessarily, actually for the most part, not really a good thing. And then the adaptation that happens to them is actually quite rapid. So what happens is the receptors that these chemicals interact with start to downregulate. Meaning they essentially will shut down and shut off. And this is why I'll use caffeine as an example, because that's much more widely consumed. This is why when you first start drinking coffee, one espresso gets it jazzed

Starting point is 00:58:50 and you feel amazing all day long. And then soon you realize you need two espresso's and then three and then now you need them just to feel normal. So whatever effects you get from the stimulant effects to the appetite, suppressing effects, they're quite short-lived, and then you experience what's called a rebound.

Starting point is 00:59:07 So you go through a period of, okay, now I need them, just to kind of feel normal. If I don't take them, I feel terrible. And then when you go off, your body has to go through a process of up regulating its receptors again, and getting back to normal. And that can take a little while, it could take as long as a month, in some cases.

Starting point is 00:59:25 And what happens in that month is you have lower energy, some people feel depressed, and the appetite and cravings go up. So what's the net effect of this? Doesn't help, doesn't work. Now if I did a six week study, I might show some weight loss because of the appetite, suppressing effects,

Starting point is 00:59:42 that's mainly what's happening. I don't like the term fat burners, I really burning fat, whatever thermogenic effect these have weight loss because of the appetite suppressing effects. That's mainly what's happening. I don't like the term fat burners, I really burning fat, whatever thermogenic effect these have on the body is minimal. Really it's the appetite suppressing effects is where you see the weight loss. I would argue that it's not that.

Starting point is 00:59:57 I don't think that's the most beneficial. I think it's the natural increase of meat that people don't realize. I mean, and it's is a real simple test. Like if you ever noticed yourself on a day, and I don't know if you're a caffeine or coffee drinker or what I thought, when you have your coffee versus when you don't,

Starting point is 01:00:13 like, so I have a drive, right? And there's times where I forgot to turn the coffee maker on. And so I've got this 45 hour drive and I'm almost falling asleep. So like 45 hours. Did I say 45 hours? You do. So when you don't have. So you're like 45 hours. Did I say 45 hours? You do. So when you don't have caffeine, it feels like 45 hours.

Starting point is 01:00:28 So I'm a 45 bit of drive. When I'm driving, I'm almost like falling asleep. I'm so tired. I'm barely moving. If I have my coffee, I've got music on. I'm tapping my finger. I'm tapping my foot. Like I'm moving around.

Starting point is 01:00:39 I'm alert. Like that's neat. And when you when you when you're stimulated like that all day, you are burning more calories just from that. And that adds up. And I think that is what we see on those studies that show. It's all of it. I mean, because it does suppress appetite in a short period, but it wears off.

Starting point is 01:00:59 You've probably already noticed this by taking them. The effects wear off. And then the rebound sucks. And what happens with the rebound is the rebound, it's like you're, if you're above baseline and then your body adapts and then you're out baseline, then when you go off your below baseline, and the net effect, meaning the long term effect is zero.

Starting point is 01:01:16 And I'll even say this, over time, this messes with your hormones, it messes with your stress response, you get this imbalance in your HP, A-AX, you know, access, you know, your hypothalamus, your pituitary, your dreams, even your thyroid can be thrown off from taking lots of these stimulants over long periods of time. Now, you know, short bouts, like once a week, I take a fedra to give me some energy or whatever, or I'm going to go to a party tonight. I need some energy. Let me throw some Yo-Himbee and you know,

Starting point is 01:01:46 and a Fedger together to join me. Whatever, you could do that probably gonna be okay so long as it's appropriate for you because remember, they are stimulants and some people they're not appropriate. You will see in some cases increased risks of cardiovascular insults like stroke or heart attack. Not to freak anybody out.

Starting point is 01:02:02 You're probably okay because you're young. But as fat burners themselves, not effective, not in the long term at all. It may be in a six week period, but then you get a rebound and come back. And I've only seen over time, negative, net negative effects from taking them. And now this is coming from someone,

Starting point is 01:02:19 and you haven't listened to the show very long. So I'll give you a little background. The three of us have been in fitness for well over two decades. Back in the 90s and early 2000s, a Fedra, the ECA stack was like, I mean, it was you could buy it anywhere. And we worked in gyms and we worked long hours and I would take, you know, speed stack drinks, they called them a rip force. And we pound them all day long. And let me tell you, that's it was I could I could see. Proctivity through the roof. That's about it.

Starting point is 01:02:46 But then the negative, right, when you crash or whatever. Big negative after that. Yeah, you know what they, by the way, do you know what, what, what people can take a Fedra and turn into, you know what they can, they can make out of that? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:57 Yeah, methamphetamine, yeah, crystal meth. So, so just to give you an idea of where it comes from. So, I don't, I don't recommend these fat burners to anybody ever. Now, if you're, if you're like like me and you're a supplement, you know, fiend and you like to play around and have fun with them every once in a while, I'll mess with them, but I don't recommend them. Not for fat burning, definitely not. Yeah. So then in terms of supplements that are effective, like creatine or protein powder, how do you tow that line of recommending supplements that you know are really effective

Starting point is 01:03:26 and scientifically backed to your clients when that kind of, you know, might be out of scope and something that I try to avoid doing, but when they are effective, how do I share that appropriately? There's a hierarchy. I mean, creatine is amazing. So it's protein.

Starting point is 01:03:42 First of all, with protein powder, I'm always telling a client that we wanna try and get our protein and take through whole foods. That's the goal always. So don't ever think, and this is something you have to communicate to clients because with the great marketing that supplement comes and done, they've convinced people to think

Starting point is 01:03:58 that protein powder, when you wanna lose weight or you wanna get in shape, you go buy a protein powder. Like there's something in the protein powder that helps us get in shape, but it's like just great marketing. And the truth is, no, we in shape, you go buy a protein powder. Like there's something in the protein powder that helps us get in shape, but it's like just great marketing. And the truth is, no, we don't want to have to take a protein shake. My goal is that you eat enough protein

Starting point is 01:04:12 through your whole foods, but if you don't, this is a great alternative. So if you have a hard time hitting your targets, then absolutely we want to utilize something like that. And that's how I recommend that. As far as creating, because it is the most studied and best performance supplement that's out there,

Starting point is 01:04:28 I still am gonna tell my client, there's a hierarchy to that. If you are not hitting your protein intake every day, and you're inconsistent with your diet, and you're inconsistent with your weightlifting routine, yeah, why take great time? Why waste our money on creatine? But if you're being very consistent with your training,

Starting point is 01:04:42 you hit your protein intake and your calorie macros on a regular basis, then hell yeah, if you wanna play with your training, you hit your protein intake and your calorie macros on a regular basis, then hell yeah, if you want to play with creatine, let's do it. It's a relatively cheap supplement that is probably the most effective performance supplement on the market. So why not? And now we're starting to attach it to a lot of health benefits. So I'm super proud. There's one population I would recommend creating to no matter what.

Starting point is 01:05:01 Those are vegans. Yeah, vegans because they don't get near their diet and studies show that they get some pretty good cognitive and health boosts from supplementing with creatine too no matter what. Those are vegans. Vegans because they don't get near their diet and studies show that they get some pretty good cognitive and health boost from supplementing with creatine. And then along those lines what you said, you know, supplementing with a nutrient that your body's lacking, it can be a game changer. But I always would defer that to somebody that I work with. So I would say something like, hey, you know,

Starting point is 01:05:22 Mr. Johnson, I work with a functional medicine practitioner. They do hair, hair sample tests to see if you're lacking any minerals. I think this might benefit you. This is the person I like to work with. I'd like you to work, you know, if you're interested I can refer you and then you could do these tests

Starting point is 01:05:36 to see if there's anything that you specifically need to take yourself. By the way, we have a forum on Facebook. So you haven't been listening very long but this is a free forum, and I think you would get gain tremendous value from. It's called MP holistic health on Facebook. Go there, join the forum.

Starting point is 01:05:54 It's functional medicine practitioners run it. They give talks on there, they answer questions. I think you'll get huge value as a trainer from going there. I will, thank you. No problem. And since you're a new trainer, let me send you a program that I think you'll get huge value as a trainer from going there. I will, thank you. No problem. And since you're a new trainer, let me send you a program that I think will benefit from

Starting point is 01:06:11 with your clients. Prime Pro. Yeah, maps prime and maps prime pro, their correctional exercise based, and they'll benefit pretty much any client you have. So I'm going to send those over to you for free, okay? Thank you so much. I was looking at your program, so there's so many, and I really wasn't sure, like, which one would be right. So thank you. That's it, Sarah. And I appreciate you listening. Hope you stick around. Hope Adam doesn't annoy the crap at you. I will. I have been listening

Starting point is 01:06:32 to like three episodes a day, so. Oh, wow. I'm trying. Okay, you're really going to make up for lots of time. You really do like us. Okay, I believe in you now. Oh, yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you. You got it. Yeah, I like those kinds of questions because she hasn't been listening long enough to hear our stamps on those. It's fresh. Yeah, giving me an opportunity to talk about those. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 01:06:52 It's interesting to hear the perspective of somebody just kind of dropping in of what we've talked about for years, but it's good. It brings you back to reality of how powerful the marketing is behind a lot of these products. And your average person just buys into it because it makes a lot of sense. And these, these, these, these fat burners, these CNS stimulants, especially a fedron when you combine

Starting point is 01:07:14 it with aspirin and caffeine, it's also got like a drug like euphoric energy effect. Like, I had people who took them, they didn't care about fat loss, they didn't care about working out. They took them a couple of times, like I love these, I take these in the morning, help me clean the house or when I hang out with my friends or whatever. So they feel good, they can be fun in the short term. And so they've got these kind of addictive properties. That's why they got so popular. Well, yeah, and that's, I mean, that was something I was going to bring up, but it's mainly why I like caffeine so much is because of the cognitive benefits of it.

Starting point is 01:07:45 And for me to feel like, I can accomplish more and I'm more prepared for my daily tasks. And so, but I do have to cycle through that and make sure that when it's up real high, it's less affect to it. But in terms of fat loss and all that kind of stuff, the big rocks and the big movers were gonna stay. I love that she asked about the protein and creatine

Starting point is 01:08:06 because I really think those are the two main supplements that I most often that I utilize with clients. They made the most sense for most of the people that I was training, all the rest of the stuff that's out there, unless you do exactly what you said, Sal, which is, which I, you know, she probably hasn't heard us communicate it. There is tremendous value in supplementing

Starting point is 01:08:25 for something you were deficient in. So if you don't have enough vitamin D or you lack a magnesium, which by the way, those two are super common in people. So if you find out, if you are somebody who lacks vitamin D or magnesium, and supplementing for that will be more powerful than any of these supplements that we're talking about

Starting point is 01:08:42 towards your fat loss goal or muscle health. Yeah, overall health, right? So balancing that out I think has lots of value, but randomly taking all these supplements, like we've addressed some branch chuchin, I mean, acid conversation, fat burner conversation, oh man, that was the liver, liver supplement day today. It is supplement day today.

Starting point is 01:09:01 And it's just the same thing rings true. We've been saying forever is like one, you go after all of it, you possibly can't hold foods. The next step after that is to figure out where you're potentially deficient in if you're going to supplement supplement there. And then if you have disposable income and you want to play with these performance supplements and you don't mind throwing a couple hundred bucks a month at it, then fine.

Starting point is 01:09:19 Then you can do that. You know, if Edra was, it does have medical applications. It was been used in Chinese medicine as a bronchodilator. So they're used for asthma. And it was sold, obviously, Sudafedr, it's Sudafedr in, as a decongestant. That's how it got discovered. I got discovered because some bodybuilders

Starting point is 01:09:36 took some Chinese ma huang, which contains a fedra and they're like, hey, I feel high. Let me put this in a drink and sell it. And they did, and that's, that was a huge market. And a market after it. Until it got banned. Our next color is Audrey from New Mexico.

Starting point is 01:09:50 Audrey, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi, so obviously my name's Audrey. I am 22 in the email I said I'm 23. I messed that up though. So I'm a licensed medical massage therapist. I work on on veterans. I've been doing that for about two years now.

Starting point is 01:10:09 And my question is, how do I adjust my training to better prevent me from feeling so strained at work? When I'm working on a client, my hand goes numb sometimes or my foot will go numb. And I've been exercising for about five years now. I ran through Maps Power Lift and I got my deadlift up to 315, which is pretty cool. I had an axiomabolic. I just started the six pack apps, but I was sore for like a week, so I kind of backed off of that a little bit and I've done most of maps

Starting point is 01:10:46 aesthetic. I didn't do the last phase just because I just got married last month and then like a ton of stuff happens. So I just my question was how do I you know just my training so I don't feel so strained after work or at work and I've had a hamstring injury in the past and I feel like I had to do with my hamstring, being overstretched, because I'm bending over the whole time my mouth worked. So what do you guys think? Yeah, good question.

Starting point is 01:11:14 I used to own a wellness studio, and in that studio I had a massage therapist that I worked with for almost 10 years, and she was excellent. Her name was Devon. She was very, very good. And she would massage sometimes seven people a day, which is a lot for massage.

Starting point is 01:11:30 And you know this. How many people would do you work on on a regular basis, by the way, in a day? Right now I'm being about five. But I'm only, I was working five days a week, but I'm down to three just because it was too much for me. Yeah, so a lot of people don't know this, but the amount of stress and strain it places on the hands,

Starting point is 01:11:47 the wrists and the shoulders, when you're working on people is tremendous. What do you mean you don't know this? You ever tried to massage your partner before for longer than 30 minutes? I know, well, two minutes. You're not super aware of it. You want to be motivated for something?

Starting point is 01:11:59 Anybody who has ever massaged their wife or partner before they get about 15 minutes in, they want to tie it. I know. Now, the reason why I brought up the therapist that I worked with is because her technique was so good that she never felt a lot of these strains. So what she didn't do is she didn't use a lot of her hands. She used a lot of her elbow with position her body weight behind it, would use her body weight.

Starting point is 01:12:21 And she utilized techniques that allowed her to do that work without hurting herself. So that's the first thing I would say is look at your techniques. If you can adjust your technique in ways that is going to not put that wear in your body. Now as far as your workouts are concerned, you're going to have to reduce the intensity and the volume of your training because massage, even if you have good technique, is a lot of work. So you're going to have to cut that back because you're already doing a lot of strenuous work when you're doing, and then I would place a focus on hand, wrist, and shoulder mobility.

Starting point is 01:12:54 Okay, so we have a program called Maps Prime Pro, and you'll find hand, wrist, and shoulder mobility in there. And I think that would be good for you to practice before and after you work on your clients to really help your body move in ways where you can have a little bit more longevity and maybe not so much pain. Yeah, how long have you been a massage therapist? A four by two years now.

Starting point is 01:13:16 Okay. Yeah, your point actually sells really good about technique. That's one of the things that Katrina would always say she could tell a new therapist versus the advanced therapist is how well they are at their leveraging their body angles. Yeah, because you beat your body up a few times. Yeah, because it's super physically demanding. But I mean, if you're deadlifting 315, I know you have an ability to get after your workouts. So that would be my clear indicator that you are not afraid of an intense hard workout And I probably would have to coach you to scale back. That's when just that that's what I've put together in the short time that we've been talking So that would be my answer is like hey, maybe scale back to two workouts a week and you know do a full body routine and maybe even back off some of the intensity

Starting point is 01:14:02 And the mobility work. Yeah, Audrey, do you get massaged? Uh, no, I haven't even a while. Well, you know the value of it. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's funny working with massage therapists. Uh, I, I didn't realize how many massage therapists didn't get massage themselves when they, themselves would benefit tremendously. So I don't know if you could do a trade with another massage therapist or something, but I that would also help you quite a bit getting your great advice, getting your forearms worked on,

Starting point is 01:14:31 getting your neck and your shoulder worked on, and probably even your hips getting worked on, would probably help you a lot because I'm, you know, the positions that you get in and the way you use your hands up, you need to get those muscles worked out because it can get real tight, and they'll stay tight, and you'll lose circulation and start to feel kind of some of the stuff you're feeling. I don't think I've ever talked about it on the show before, but that was actually a crucial part of the success I had during competing years. I was getting a massage every week, and if I was not doing it, and I see the difference now because I don't get that anymore of how crucial my mobility work is now, if I like, I could get away with doing less mobility because I was consistently getting massage

Starting point is 01:15:10 with all that training, but now I'm not getting that the massage every single week. I see that I have to do my mobility work or my joints are constantly talking to me. Yeah. Do you have Maps Prime Pro? I know I don't. Okay, I'll send that to you. Okay. And then do that, look at the hand wrist and shoulder mobility stuff in there. And I would- Okay, I don't have any issues with my wrist or hands, like that shows perfectly fine. It's just my back sometimes.

Starting point is 01:15:37 Okay, well, I would go through the program and I would look then at hip mobility, because that might be contributing to your back. Didn't you say your hand goes a little numb though? Oh, yeah, my hand will go numb, but it feels like it's more of my shoulder than anything else. Okay, that's why I said shoulder mobility too. Okay, so I would go shoulder and I would look at hip mobility and work through the program and the intent is very important.

Starting point is 01:15:59 So make sure you watch the video and follow the cues. Don't just do the movements. You have to follow the cues. It'll make a big difference. Okay. All right. Thanks for calling in. Okay. Thank you. You got it. Yeah. I, you know, that was such a, I learned so much through working with a really good massage therapist because, and the reason why I did it is because I saw the value of my clients. I never worked with a therapist that was really good. You know, there's a spa massage, which is there's some value in that,

Starting point is 01:16:25 but then there's like correctional massage. And she was so good, I would see such dramatic changes in my clients, and then I would have her work on me sometimes, and her technique was incredible. Like, the way she would leverage her body and position herself, she would use her body weight, so she didn't have to use so much strength in her hands and her shoulders,

Starting point is 01:16:43 which that'll beat you up for five hours a day. It's that'll crush it. It's very helpful to unlock it. You know, so if mobility is a struggle, especially, and that was always a hard sell for me, it is to get people to consistently do mobility. And so, yeah, sometimes I would refer to massage therapists just to get that circulation going in, to get that access again, and to, you know to move and function properly again around the joints. So I definitely found it very, very valuable to do that in conjunction with mobility. Yeah, it's really valuable, but it's important to make the point or make sure that people understand the difference

Starting point is 01:17:21 between a Swedish massage and a sports massage. So a sports massage is corrective, where a Swedish massage is more meditative and relaxing. Both have benefits, okay? So if you are the person who just needs to decompress and you're like, a little restful. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:36 Oh yeah, no, it'll be, I mean, a lot of times, yeah, a lot of times I'm wincing a little bit and it's, it's a, the, it took me a while to get comfortable getting a sports massage. I remember the first time I was like, oh God, that's rough. I don't know if I want to do this.

Starting point is 01:17:47 When I first started getting massage, I leaned towards a Swedish massage because I felt it was more relaxing, but I found I got way more benefit from a sports massage and that's what I needed. So different types for different things that you're trying to get. If you're trying to get something that is corrective,

Starting point is 01:18:03 then they have tremendous benefit. And then if you can also incorporate some of the mobility stuff from Prime Pro, you're really winning. Our next color is Heather from Idaho. Hi Heather, how you doing? Thanks for calling in. How you guys doing really well. Thanks for taking my question.

Starting point is 01:18:19 I'm kind of a little bit starstruck. You guys have been so helpful and I just admire a ton that you do. So thanks. Thank you. Thanks. So I actually had a couple of questions. If that's okay. The first one that I wanted to ask you is a trainer question. So I have a lady that I train and she's got some joined issues. She was in a car accident a while ago. And so she has both her hip and her knee are both messed up. So what I've been doing with her is the zone three prime. I just do the strength one. Fortification workouts?

Starting point is 01:19:02 Yes, thank you. I do the fortification once and then we also do the stretches. I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things.

Starting point is 01:19:18 I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to lose quite a bit of weight. So that's a priority too. Map starter, I think map starter would be a good place to start with. It's a lot of physical ball exercises. It's great strength training.

Starting point is 01:19:35 And based off of what I'm reading here and also what you said, I think that would be more appropriate than having to modify a program like maps on a ball. Well, then I would go to symmetry actually. So I go starter symmetry before anabolic. Sure, yeah. Sure, do you have either one of those? I don't.

Starting point is 01:19:52 They're both on my list of what to buy next. We'll send them to you. So thank you. Yeah, that's super nice. Yeah, no problem. We'll send them over to you. So you'll have them both, but I would go starter because based off what you're saying, I think anabolic, I mean, you could definitely modify anabolic,

Starting point is 01:20:08 but it would require a lot of modifications on your part, which is probably okay. But I just think starter, we wrote it and it's the way we wrote it. I think it's much more appropriate. Yeah, just to address the lost ability issues like specifically. And so, yeah, I think that would be the perfect place to kind of lead and direct. So yeah, I think that would be the perfect place to kind of lead and direct Yeah, that's kind of a duh when you first said that I was like oh, yeah, why yeah, okay? That's a great idea. Thank you very much. Okay. I'm not quite as nervous now I was super nervous because I listen to you guys so much and I just Think you're super not that we're not that cool

Starting point is 01:20:40 So if you meet us in person, hey, you'll be speaking to yourself. You'll be underwhelmed These are all characters were betraying So if you meet us in person, hey, you'll be speaking to yourself. You'll be underwhelmed. These are all characters with betrays. I don't remember ever like getting a job interview or anything ever being this nervous. I kind of felt good for me. But okay, a little bit less nervous. My other question was for me. And this is something that I've been kind of working with.

Starting point is 01:21:04 I think I put in the email three months, but it's actually been a lot longer than that because I pull muscles like around my SI joint, around my left SI joint quite often. And it's always, always when I'm deadlifting. And so I went through, I found you guys, when I first found you guys about a year and a half ago, I was the typical high stress pound, pound my body pretty hard, you know? And so I immediately went to static and really I wasn't super consistent with that,

Starting point is 01:21:39 but then I went to performance and I was consistent with that and I felt great, I felt really good. I added in the hyper extension and a couple of just like getting pump days in my glutes trying to strengthen my glute me, my glute max and my performance because I know those are weak. Then I felt really good and I went to strong to really try and build that posterior chain and In my third week of phase three, which was last week I I pulled that again. I pulled whatever must I keep pulling by my S. I joint and so I was

Starting point is 01:22:17 That's actually when I when I wrote this question. I was super frustrated and was like, why the heck does this keep happening? So yeah, so I hit the you know, like, why the heck does this keep happening? So I hit the email. Yeah, it sounds QL. Are you familiar with the QL? The quadratus lumbarum. Okay, so can you do a windmill, okay? I'm better at them. I really, so in performance, I think it's phase two.

Starting point is 01:22:41 There's the string throw where you use the kettlebell and you kind of rotate. That one I really felt like I could feel that I was weak in those areas and I assumed that was the QL and that one helped a lot. That was one of one of my favorite ones. Well, I like windmills for you. When meals in Turkish get-ups. Turkish get- When we make those, I would make those. Oh, okay. Those two movements, I'm trying to get really proficient at them. I mean, forget our programming. That would become like a two staple movements

Starting point is 01:23:12 that, and think of it like getting good at it versus like programming it to necessarily get some. Just practice them. Yeah, get practice and getting really, really good at the movement. Now, because we're giving you symmetry, I think you should follow that program too. Yeah. I think map symmetry, follow the whole program. I think that's going to be very likely to solve your your discrepancy between your right and left. It's one side right that you're constantly pulling.

Starting point is 01:23:35 Yeah, it's always the last. Yeah, go go through map symmetry go through map symmetry. We tell you this in the program, but I'll tell you now to on the show. symmetry, we tell you this in the program, but I'll tell you now too on the show. Start with your weak side. Allow the weak side to dictate what the strong side does. So if you only do five reps on the left side, that's what you're gonna do on the right. Don't do more. Allow your body to balance out.

Starting point is 01:23:53 You have a left to right imbalance. It's asymmetrical. So symmetry will address that and then practice windmills. And I think you'll be okay. Great. Thank you so much. Hey, I put in my question too. I don't know if you guys read down below,

Starting point is 01:24:10 but I know you've talked a little bit about archery, elk hunting and things. And you guys have been, you guys have been so great to help me as a newer trainer. Like I've avoided so many mistakes and I've been able to help a wide variety of people because anytime I come across something, I just go back and look at you guys as past episodes. So I really appreciated you. My my son listens to you guys a

Starting point is 01:24:33 lot. I included his Instagram, but we do quite a bit of archery alcunning if you ever want to come out to Idaho. We're not that far from Park City. So. Oh, yeah. That sounds cool. We actually have we actually have places in Idaho. So we have to come out that way. Oh, do you really? Yeah, yeah. Meridian. So we're not that far from Park City. So. Oh, yeah. That sounds cool. We actually have places in Idaho. So we have to come out that way. Oh, do you really? Yeah, yeah. Meridian.

Starting point is 01:24:50 So we have a couple of Meridian and Boise. Oh, nice. Yeah. We're more Eastern than that. We're hanging the southeastern part. But if you jump on his Instagram, he puts quite a bit of stuff on there that he hunts. He's by far the better one out of all of us, the more successful one, but there is nothing in the whole world like a screaming bowl,

Starting point is 01:25:09 like 10 yards away from you. It's so terrifying. It's super names, so you're like, that's really scary. So, you're like, well, well, email, send that, like how to contact you to the person that you emailed your question to.

Starting point is 01:25:22 I appreciate the invitation. Thank you. Thank you very much, other. Thank you, Heather. Thanks, you guys so much. You got it. I have a good day. I don't know, man.

Starting point is 01:25:30 Is screaming bowl running at me? There's nothing like that. I think she went to rush, right? I do want to tell our audience that she did say something that I don't know if I've brought up on the show lately that I feel like we should try and be better about reminding our audience. So we have created so much free content on YouTube and through this podcast that you literally can go to YouTube or even Google and put in mind pump and then the question

Starting point is 01:25:57 that you have. And we'll probably have. And we'll probably have maybe even multiple episodes or even white papers that have been written on that. And, you know, we've gotten to a place now, growth wise where I know that all three of us cannot reach all of our DMs anymore. We've prided ourselves on that early on

Starting point is 01:26:14 that we answered every question. It's impossible today. So before you even slide in a DM and ask a question like that, because I find myself when I'm trying to answer those, at least 80% of them could have been solved by that person literally just Google searching the word mind pump and then their question or going to YouTube and doing that and we already have their answer for them. So make sure you guys do that.

Starting point is 01:26:35 Very good point. I do want to touch on the asymmetry aspect. If you're somebody that constantly hurts one side, like it's one side of your body that you always pull and it's really frustrating. Going through and training unilaterally for two or three months, not always, but often, often we'll solve the issue. The map symmetry is a program that does that,

Starting point is 01:26:56 but even if you do it on your own, train unilaterally, like exclusively for a couple months, oftentimes you'll find the issue and solve it. It's kind of crazy that we took as long as we did to write that program because it's such a need. It is such a need. I mean, since we've written it, I don't know how many times it's already been recommended

Starting point is 01:27:13 to people that are calling in because many times that's the thing. I've finally even got Courtney's doing it now and finding all kinds of things out about her body that was like, it should have been addressed a long time ago. Oh my gosh. Katrina ran it too. I'll absolutely love it. So, you know, it should have been addressed on time. Oh my gosh. Katrina ran it too, I absolutely loved it.

Starting point is 01:27:25 So, you know, it's funny that we took as long as we did to write that one because I think it does, it's going to help a tremendous amount of people. Our next caller is Roxanne from Florida. Roxanne, thanks for calling in, how can we help you? Hey, so how you guys doing today? We're doing good, thanks. I'm going to start off the traditional way,

Starting point is 01:27:44 but I want to say how much I want to thank you guys and you guys are doing such great work out there, debunking a lot of myths and really helping people's lives and careers and being vulnerable and putting your lives out there. So, gotta say thanks to your wives out there as well. Thank you. My question is, you see a lot of health stuff out there in regards to metabolism, and hormones, and luckily all that's pretty mainstream now, but part one of my question is, is there any truth to a specific type of workout based on your hormone type that's out there? And of course, they have questionnaires where they are asking all about your hormones.

Starting point is 01:28:21 And the reason why I'm asking to give you guys some context is I grew up as a, I would say an endurance athlete, I played soccer and I danced my whole life and then kind of doubled into gym workouts and things like that after college and a little bit afterwards. But I did have a two-a-terry tumor in 2011, which I had removed. Ever since then, my hormones had been kind of messed up. I don't produce

Starting point is 01:28:46 FSH and LH, which is follicle stimulating hormone and LH, so I don't menstruate anymore. And that also affects my progesterone in estrogen. I've gone through a lot of different type of workouts in the past, and I've had some setbacks in 2020, I broke my back. I broke my L3. So that took some time to recover. Last year, 2021, I did a lot of fertility treatment. I spent the year trying to do fertility treatment, which was not successful. And most recently, I finished math and a Pollock.

Starting point is 01:29:19 So with that in mind, and ask any questions you may have, I'm kind of confused on what kind of workout I need to do next. Do I do another round of matzaynabolic? Do I need to change my workouts depending on my hormone type or the fact that I'm in a perpetual menopause is what my doctors like call it. Yeah, I know really good question. First off, great book in the background there. I think I recognize that one.

Starting point is 01:29:47 Right behind you. Don't act like you, don't act like you're gonna do that on purpose. Whoops. I'm gonna have a research. I'm gonna research. I appreciate that. Okay, so look, so there's so many factors to consider

Starting point is 01:30:00 when designing a workout for an individual that saying this is a workout for this hormone profile, or this is a workout just for women, or whatever, that really doesn't narrow down very much. I like writing programs for goals, but even that doesn't really tell us nearly the whole story. The most effective thing you could do Roxanne when it comes to a workout is forget our program.

Starting point is 01:30:24 We have great programs, but we do write them for general audience. The best thing you could do Roxanne when it comes to workout is Forget our program we have great programs, but we do write them for general audience the best thing you could do is hire a really good and really experienced Trainer who can individually let lies your workout because here's what you need to consider our Hormone something you need to consider will of course, but so is your perceived effort and how you feel so is what you enjoy What you don't enjoy so is how's your body moving? So is your strength improving? Is your appetite changing? How's your libido? Like all the, and more, right?

Starting point is 01:30:54 All of these factors are what would help me design a workout and on the fly, change it if I needed to to give a client the best workout for them. So could I design a workout based off of someone's just hormone profile? I mean, kind of generally, maybe, but I really what this is, is this is really the attempt for people to market a product to really make people feel like they're going to get some special individualized workout. Like take this, like, it's really, it's no different.

Starting point is 01:31:23 Not saying that it's, this is as valuable. I think hormone metabolic testing is more valuable than this, but it's no different than those tests you see on Facebook or Instagram where it says, what your favorite color says about your personality or whatever. And she's like, oh my god, I want to know about that. So, uh, there's some, there's some, there's some value. The reason why they can get away with this is because there is some truth. It is rooted in some truth, right? Like, you know that if you are training somebody who has adrenal fatigue and their hormones are out of balance or a thyroid condition, what are you not doing to them? You're not going to hammer the intensity, right? You're not going to put them on like hard, stressful type of training routine.

Starting point is 01:31:57 You're not going to run them into the ground cardiovascular-wise because of their hormone profile. So there is some truth to this idea, but it is they've taken a little bit of that truth and they've ran with it to market it and sell you something. And the real truth is what Sal is saying is that you really want this professional who can be asking you questions as you're going through your training routine, saying like how do you feel?

Starting point is 01:32:19 How did you sleep last night? You know, how did you recover from our last workout? Oh, that was rough. Oh, you didn't sleep very good. Okay, let me modify this. Let me change this on the fly. And so that is way more valuable than some generic. Oh, put all these questions in and then it spits off a routine off of that. And I'm telling you what it's probably going to be is like, based off of some of the things that you say or they find out hormonally from you,

Starting point is 01:32:40 it's going to be a lower intensity routine versus like a higher intensity. Yeah, something like that. I mean, to give you an example, like, let's say I had a client who, for whatever reason, we do some testing like this. And I'm like, oh, man, the ideal form of cardio for this person is running. And then I tell them, hey, if you run, that's the best form of cardio. Like, I hate running. I hate running. I'd rather swim. And I'm like, well, you need to get 15% better results by running. But guess what you're not going to recommend? Swimming, because that's the one they like. And there's also value in doing things that you enjoy and the

Starting point is 01:33:09 consistency that comes along with it. So I guess that the short answer is if you can find a good trainer, which really finds someone who's experienced, you've been doing it for like eight years or more, somebody that you connect with that's that doesn't assessment listens to you, watches you, doesn't overtrain you, beat the crap out of you. That person is gonna give you the best workout. And what you'll find when you work with them

Starting point is 01:33:30 is they'll be able to change your workout as your body changes and as things improve or change or your sleep changes or whatever. They'll be able to change the workout and individualize it for you. Nothing's gonna beat that. No workout program that we write for the general audience will beat that and definitely no program that's based off of a you know hormone metabolic type is

Starting point is 01:33:47 going to beat something like that. Okay so you guys wouldn't suggest that I you know having the personal trainers good and I forgot to mention this but I do like to do some cardio just for mental capacity and health as well so I do a lot of walking sometimes a run jog and I know that you guys came out with Matt's cardio recently is since I grew up doing more so endurance workouts and not as much resistance training, do you think I should incorporate something like that? Do my routine, let's say if I don't go with a personal trainer, maybe try to do something like that. Well, I got more questions for that than. So I'm assuming you're supplementing

Starting point is 01:34:26 with certain hormones to make up the difference because you said you're luteinizing hormone and your fall school stimulating hormone don't exist. So are you taking progesterone estrogen you're on hormone replacement therapy? So I was, but I just got back from honeymoon in Italy and I actually forgot, they want me on birth control. And honestly, after listening to a lot of the hormone doctors out there, like I really don't want to be on

Starting point is 01:34:50 birth control. So I'm trying to find somebody else. Maybe there's another option that I can have other than going on birth control for the rest of my life until I hit menopause. But I'm not sure if that's an option. Yeah. So I have to- I'm gonna stay in my lane here. So I'm gonna recommend you to people that we refer to in this situation like this. So we have a forum on Facebook called MP Holistic Health. It's run by Dr. Cabral and it's teamed to functional medicine practitioners.

Starting point is 01:35:18 They're really, really good. And they're always trying to, their goal is always trying to get your body where is gonna to be optimal without having to use pharmaceuticals or hormones. Now, that doesn't mean that those are options if they have to be, then they are, but they're exceptionally good. So go on that form, it's totally free. And then if you want, you can contact them and try some testing. Another person you can look up is Dr. Becky Campbell on social media. She's

Starting point is 01:35:40 a good friend of mine, Julie. Dr. Julie Brighton. She's also very good. But the, the forum is free and you'll actually be able to talk to and ask questions on there and maybe get directed in ways that could help you out. Because I know some stuff about hormones, but that is not our expertise. And if you are my client, that's who I would send you to, 100%.

Starting point is 01:35:59 Okay, awesome. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. And again, I appreciate everything you guys do. Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank much. I appreciate it. Again, I appreciate everything you guys do. Thank you. Thank you I'm calling in appreciate it Yeah, it's Boy it would a smart way to market a program. I'll tell you what

Starting point is 01:36:12 Take this test based off of your hormone or take this test based off of your blood type is when I've seen quite a bit So this is a new spin off that it seems yeah the hormone one's brilliant though, because everybody that has ever dealt with any hormone issues has always gotten a recommendation from the doctor on how they need to adjust their training. That like light bulb goes off like, oh, my doctor already said, I shouldn't do this, or I shouldn't do that now because of this. So, oh, this makes sense that there's this hormone test that I can take and find out what programming is best for me.

Starting point is 01:36:41 It's like, that's generic advertising just to get you to the point. Give me an example, you could be a man with low test australian, and it could be a vitamin D deficiency, or it could be your stress is too high, you're not getting enough, so many reasons why your hormones may look a particular way. So just to look at a hormone profile and then boom,

Starting point is 01:36:59 spit out a program without further testing, further, like I would watch my clients and see if what I'm doing is working or not. Well, that's why I made the point of like, ideally, and what you said originally, right, which is having a trainer who's good and can ask those questions, because that's how, I mean, if she was my client one,

Starting point is 01:37:16 I would defer to people like Jolene Brighton, like Becky Campbell, like Stephen Crabral, guys that are way more in girls and are way more advanced in this category. But then meanwhile, while I'm training here, I'd be trying different things with our routine and getting feedback. That's it.

Starting point is 01:37:31 How did you feel? Are you still sore? You didn't sleep very well? Okay, let me adjust this or, oh, that you feel great. Great management. I mean, finding where they're at and then really trying to get closer

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