Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1868: How Long it Takes to Build Muscle, the Benefits of Carb Cycling, the Truth About the Body Weight Set Point & More

Episode Date: July 29, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Extreme fitness and extreme performance are NOT healthy! (2:59) Throwing shade on serotonin being the leading indicator of depression. (20:41) The humor in watching your kids develop. (31:07) The disconnect between young athletes and their body awareness. (33:45) The ultimate muscle preservation tool. (43:19) Imagining the war of the future. (45:12) A sign of the times for future car purchases. (51:47) Sal’s dream PRx garage gym. (58:45) #Quah question #1 - How long does it take to build muscle mass? (1:03:05) #Quah question #2 - Can you explain carb cycling and its benefits? Can you fat cycle as well? (1:14:49) #Quah question #3 - Is there a set point for our weight? (1:24:23) #Quah question #4 - What are some training tips with a newborn? (1:30:01) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! July Promotion: RGB Bundle or MAPS Suspension 50% off! **Promo code JULY50 at checkout** Association of Grip Strength With Risk of All-Cause Mortality, Cardiovascular Diseases, and Cancer in Community-Dwelling Populations: A Meta-analysis of Prospective Cohort Studies How to Balance Your Social Life With a Healthy Lifestyle – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1560: Woke Fitness Is Making You Fat & Unhealthy No Evidence That Depression Is Caused by Low Serotonin Levels The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma Strengthen your mood with weight training – Harvard Health SCIENTISTS SUPERCHARGE HUMAN MUSCLE CELLS BY INJECTING THEM WITH "BEAR SERUM" Robot Dog With Machine Gun | cybernews.com Black Mirror: Metalhead BMW starts selling heated seat subscriptions for $18 a month Europe will require carmakers to install speed limiters from 2022 Visit Serenity Kids for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MP20 at checkout** Mind Pump #1717: Why Before & After Pictures Are Bullsh*T Carb Cycling: A Good Way To Lose Fat? - Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1830: Five Steps To Determine Your Ideal Caloric Intake MAPS Macro Calculator Mind Pump #1322: What’s Your Real Muscle Building Potential? (And How To Get There…) Mind Pump #1452: Your 10 Minute Workout For The Holiday Season Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Kris Gethin (@krisgethin)  Instagram

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Does not contribute to longevity. Extreme! How dare you? I know. I had this discussion today on a podcast. I was interviewed by Chris. What the hell do I say is like? Gethen.

Gethen. Love that guy. He's a good guy. I just met him today, in fact. And he asked me about how. I'm glad you called him out. I'm glad you called him out. What did I say?

I love this guy. I just met him. I just love him. What I mean is I like him out. I just met him, just loving him. I love him. Anyway, we had great conversation. We were talking about longevity and fitness. It went in that direction. It's like strength is very healthy, but power lifters don't have typically great health or great longevity. Cardiovascular endurance, very healthy.

People who run 100 mile marathons, not so healthy, right? Muscle, very healthy. Pro bodybuilders, not so healthy. There's a crossover between fitness performance and longevity, but the more the further you go in the extreme, the less longevity, the worse your longevity is. It's amazing that this isn't obvious to everybody.

You know what it is? It's obvious to everybody that's not in that category. Yeah. You tell a runner that about bodybuilding and power is to be like, yeah. Oh, yeah, those guys are pretty good. And you say, oh, no, I'm not somebody who abuses that. You say, you tell that to a bodybuilder about power. Yeah, it's like whatever camp you're in,

that you're your belief system of the best way to state if fit and healthy, you don't believe that you're the extreme version of that. And I want to say this because oftentimes what is promoted as pictures of health, if oftentimes probably every time, is extremes. It's like, oh, look at this athlete, look at this pro football player, baseball player, look at this this Olympic athlete, this is healthy. What do they do for their health? It's like, look, and I do look at this Olympic athlete, this is healthy. What do they do for their health? It's like, look, and I do want to say this too, like quality of life contributes to health

as well. So, if you enjoy lifting heavier than you should for longevity, and it's something that you really enjoy, like that's great, and could that contribute to longevity? Maybe because of the quality improvement in your quality of life. But the more extreme things go, the further away you move away from longevity. And thank you for communicating. We need to tease out the true specimens. I have no problem with pertrained specimens

in their particular sport or their particular pursuit. Like, all the best for them at the highest peak of their performance, whatever it is, but we gotta tease out that it's, like health is a completely different pursuit. Right. And so, I think that's where a lot of the articles and a lot of the stuff, they convolut all that

by trying to say that, well, they're only eating, all, it's all carnivore diet or it's all these extreme versions of things that are getting them to that pinnacle. And so your average person is like, well, I need to do that too. Or I need to do this crazy high intensity workout every single day.

But literally, what they're doing right now is completely different than what you're trying to do. Yeah, no, I did you, I don't know if you guys saw, I actually, I didn't know you were gonna go this direction in the conversation. I was real hesitant to post. I had a current picture of myself from vacation with my son, and I posted it in the main IG.

Oh, I saw. And I thought, you know what, I wanna post this, because I would consider myself in some of the worst aesthetic shape that I've been in the last IG. Oh, I saw. And I thought, you know what? I want to post this because I would consider myself in some of the worst aesthetic shape that I've been in the last decade. Yeah, you saw Horde on yourself, Adam. No, I mean, it's a fact. It's not.

I know. It's not me being hard on myself. It's a fact. Yeah, you look good. I saw the picture, I know it's you know. But that was why I wanted to share it. Yeah. Right, like I was hesitant because I'm like,

oh, this is like the worst shape I've been in in a decade. Like, it's not something to brag about. But I was like, you know what, I want like, well, this is like the worst shape I've been in in a decade. Like, it's not something to brag about, but I was like, you know what, I want to highlight that this is what real life can look like, and I still would consider myself healthy and in pretty good shape, especially all things considering. If you think of my balance with work, my balance with my family life,

my balance is a father, my mobility, my sleep, my sleep, if you factor all that in, you can make the case that I'm actually helped, some of the healthiest I've ever been in my life, even though I don't look like the version of me just say six or seven years ago. And so that was kind of the motivation.

And it's unfortunate because it's not, like nobody I just can guarantee screenshot of that photo and said this is my mom and a spy or to look like this or be like that because it isn't the extreme. It's nothing, but if I, and the irony is if I would have posted the extreme version of myself and said this is where I'm at right now, check it out. Like I guarantee there'd be all kinds of saves

and shares on it because it's like motivation for people with the reality, most people my age should probably aspire to be that version of me than the version of me six or seven years ago. It's a better quality life for most people. It offers balance. You've got more longevity. I mean, being a body, but when you competed, how unbalanced was your life?

Yeah, completely. Yeah, and could you be the dad that you are without that kind of stuff? And would you even want to, right? So it's, we confuse extreme fitness and performance and what that looks like with health. We confuse the two. Extreme fitness and performance looks a particular way,

for sure, but health, longevity and balance doesn't look like that. Usually, there's extreme variances and individuals. There are definitely people that they just, you know, 0.1% that look in particular way, almost no matter what. That's not most people. Most people, it's about balance and longevity and health and, you know, to use another example, like one of the single, one of the best single metrics for all cause mortality is strength.

Like, so you could take someone measure their grip strength, which is a good general way to measure overall strength. And based off that, they can more accurately predict versus other single metrics, someone's all cause mortality. Now, does that mean that strength in extreme endeavors contributes to more and more longevity? No, look at strong man or power lifters or people who pursue it to the absolute extremes.

At some point, you get this negative result from it. Now, I don't want anybody to feel like I'm hammering them if they enjoy doing that kind of stuff. I'm all about also quality of life. Like, here's the example I brought up on the podcast I did earlier, We talked about alcohol. There's very conflicting studies with alcohol, extremely conflicting studies. For example, if you look at the island of Sardinia, where men live to 100 at rates that there's

no one else in the world that men live that long at that proportion. One of the practices that they have there, that's pretty regular, is they drink wine every night, every single night they have wine. Now we have clear studies showing that alcohol in any amount is unhealthy, any amount is unhealthy. And yet we have studies showing that people who live a long time often will have a glass of wine or two every single night. But how is that possible? Well, because it has nothing to do with the wine, it has to do with the quality of life that is being improved. Well, because it has nothing to do with the wine, it has to do with the quality of life that's being improved.

Absolutely. And that highlights how much weight that carries in the overall health sphere. Totally. So can pizza be healthy? Yeah. I think it depends on how you use it, how much you have it, and what you're doing with it.

Alcohol can all these things be healthy in terms of longevity? Yes. So it's much more complicated, it's not the whole like, oh, that person looks shredded. I'll tell you what right now, some of the unhealthiest people I've ever known look the most shredded and the most muscular.

Yeah, I think this is a tough one because of how I've seen everything kind of turn in terms of marketing into the culture, right? So there's been this sort of demonization of really fit people and like you shouldn't even go in that direction, you know? And like these extreme examples that are just supposed to be examples of people

within their respective pursuit, you know, they kind of, I mean, we grew up like idolizing, like the guys that were like jacked and huge and like, you know, body types that, you know that were jacked in huge and body types that were unreasonable and unachievable, but at the same time, there was a little bit of a different kind of motivation with that versus, now it's almost extreme other end of it. So now it's all complacency. No, don't even try.

So I get a little bit like, I mean, it's not that I'm like going against this message. I think it's, it's just like considering that there's a lot more factors in terms of lifestyle, in terms of health, in terms of like relationships, in terms of like, you got to sort of take inventory of all those different pursuits and, and where to pour, you know, your effort into each one of those buckets and it's like,

we're always trying to promote balance and that's where you're gonna live and thrive. I feel like best. I 100% agree with what you're saying, Justin. And I'm glad you brought that up because I do wanna be careful about that either because I also don't want to be- Yeah, we're not promoting the other stream.

Because here's the thing, the most dangerous part about the living in those extreme places, whether, like, think of it the same way with living in the extreme dieting place. What do we always talk about? Why that's so dangerous? It's the rebound. It's that you swing so hard the opposite direction.

So one of the things that I was most proud of About my current state of my health slash physique where it's out right now is I was able to go on vacation for three weeks Literally not workout. I drank I ate out But I did it in in a moderation that didn't allow me to go way overboard Which is what I would have done in the past. My 20s looked like this, the tip top shape version of me, which is single-digit body fat atom, and then the extreme vacation. Yeah, I'm on vacation all the time. Yeah, then I put on all kinds of body fat and I'm in terrible shape

and I'm eating crap and over-consuming. That was a lot of my 20s. Was either I was in primo shape or or I was completely out of shape, all or nothing, where what I think that I've gotten better about is not living in the extreme so much, because even though those extremes can teach us some things about fitness, about nutrition,

that I think are very valuable, the most dangerous parts about the extremes is they tend to cause people to go to the extreme opposite direction also. So that is the thing that I would caution people about. I was like, I think competing like I did was one of the most valuable things I ever did.

It took my consistency and discipline, my understanding of my own body and nutrients, macro nutrients and what I needed for my body to look and feel a certain way. it took it to a whole other level and understanding that I previously did not have until that. But the dangerous part about that, and it would have been, if I would have ran into that at 23 or 24, because it would have caused

a whole different body image issues and extreme dieting back and yo-yo dieting and stuff, versus I went into it a much more mature and experienced trainer and knowing the pitfalls of those extremes. You knew, you were aware going into it. And the point Justin's making about what they're doing now is they've taken the pendulum and they said, oh, it's way too extreme over here.

Let's swing it so far in the other direction that now we're putting obese individuals on magazines. And we're saying that this is healthy, which it's not. It literally is the same terrible message just packaged differently. And the reason why they're able to package it this way is because you've heard the other message for so long that the opposite message is almost like a breath of fresh air.

Right. Oh yeah. This is, That was crazy. This mustn't be crazy. So the heroin looking at models, that's unhealthy. So, oh, thank God they're putting someone that's 300 pounds on the magazine. That's so much better. No, it's also, it's the same thing.

It's the same exact thing just in the opposite direction. Exactly. I hope that people have a very bad relationship with food. Bad relationship with health. Period, I said. I really hope the next extreme is gonna be the middle. That'd be great, right? I didn't even look at that.

Well, that's a problem, it's not an extreme. It's not, yeah. Maybe it will be considered that. And that's the reason why I think the other way so marketable is because it is another extreme. It's just another version of extreme. It's the extreme opposite than the heroin addict skinny model look is like you're saying.

It's like, and that's more extreme, is our marketable. In the middle average is not, and I don't know if it'll ever will be. Maybe it will be when it's so not typical, right? I was having this conversation yesterday with my oldest. We were sitting for dinner, and that show I talked to you guys about on Netflix. We were talking about it joking about it, the sex room one. Oh, the sex room. And I was talking about one of the episodes and we were laughing about, just oh my gosh, people are like really like different with their into whatever.

And my son goes, what if it goes, I bet you in the future, it's going to be considered really weird and kinky to like just have missionary sex. And I was laughing and he goes, what if that's like the future? Like, hey, you guys want to do it? Yeah, sure. I'm just gonna get on top. It's like regular. Like what?

Regular. I mean, nothing else. Like, no, we're like, you're not gonna hit me in the face or you're gonna hit me in the face. I mean, I wonder if that's gonna happen. I mean, I would like to think that that's kind of how society works, right? Where the initial swing is always the hardest.

And then when it swings back, it's not quite as far. And then when it swings back, it's not quite as far. And then when it swings back, it's not quite as far. Like, bumpers on those lanes. Well, I like a pendulum that's slowing down. The initial, when you swing that pendulum, it's gonna swing as hard this way and as hard back the first two swings. Then the third swing, it's a little less,

the fourth swing, it's a little less. And you get closer and closer to probably the center and more middle. I mean, I hope that's kind of, and I think that would, it would look that way in most areas. So maybe it's not as extreme in, in the future, it's a, it's a little less, but, and maybe what draws it back to the more the center is that, yeah, it becomes popular to be mission. I mean, you see this like with tattoos, right? So in our, in our generation, in our generation, tattoos were just starting to become

like before our parents generation tattoos was like prison. If you had one tattoo, yeah, prison, Harley guy motorcycle dude bad boy, if you had a tattoo. And then it became very popular in our. And then it was like, oh, you're kind of edgy sensitive. Yeah. Now it's like, oh, you're a fool. Yeah. Then we went the whole way and you know, tattooing your face anding your face and then now I see this younger generation, it's not as popular to be tattooed. Like, so, you know, but yet, so some people are doing it, but I think it's less extreme.

So, I mean, I think it took like, tagging all the way over their face and everything to them to be like, ah, you know, that's for me. Or face implants. You've seen people with face implants? Oh, like horns and their skin and stuff. Oh, yeah.

Well, I think, yeah, so like, you bring it up the fact that like, you learn quite a bit from like the extreme, I think that there's potential there, and that's why it's good to pursue challenges and look at it like, like a season, or it's like, this is a period. Just don't marry.

I'm gonna pursue this, you just can't like live there. Yeah. Cause it doesn't benefit your body long term. No, 100% right. That's, I think there is a lot of, I mean, I think there would be a tremendous value in being an extreme runner for a while, then an extreme bodybuilder for a while,

and then an extreme power that for a while, for a while. Like taking yourself to, oh, you like, I'm gonna be very competitive about getting good at running. Oh, those are great challenges. Yeah, I think those are, I think there's a lot of lessons in there, you're gonna learn a lot about your body along that way.

But what tends to happen in our space is you marry an ideology. And then you're looking at decades, I've been this powerlifter guy, or decades, I've been this bodybuilder guy, or decades on this marathon runner. It's like, I think there's value in all of those things and learning the process of getting good at those things

and what it teaches you about your body, about health. And then I think if you've done a good job, you kind of find the balance of it. That's what the bodybuilding thing did. What the bodybuilding thing did for me is like, I really became so hyper aware of how hard I was training in the gym in relation to what my calories needed to look like versus in relation to my steps and movement.

I train that so consistently for so many years that when I was on vacation for these few weeks, it was really easy for me to modify. I didn't say no to the drink with my friends at the beach. I could, okay, we did that. But then I was aware that, hey, I didn't get up till 9 o'clock. I didn't train the day. We haven't really walked around very much. I'm also not going to go over and doge on the dessert

because I just sat here and had some alcohol and I want to make sure that I, you know what I'm saying? So I've learned. We only had candy one night the whole time. The whole time I bought candy and Adam and I had candy one night. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's I, I, I, I, I, I,

and I mean, that's a thing like sometimes, you know, we go places, Adam and I, of course. mean that's a thing like sometimes you know we go places Adam and I of course Yeah, well, so you okay funny you bring that up because um like a night. I have from our combo trip I bought candy. I bought peach rings and I bought something else at the airport. I love peach rings Peach rings and something I can't remember the other canals. I was sturdy though, but hey Yeah, I don't know why the both those bags are still at my house right now. That would, in my 20s, that would never fall. You would just crush that.

Yeah, because between, between three and a half, four weeks ago now, it's almost been four weeks and today I have already had multiple times where I craved that stuff. We're in the past, I would indulge, especially because I'm not being consistent with my training. We're now like, I've learned to train myself that like, you know, I definitely haven't

earned the right to do that. Or also, I'm going to be putting myself in a deeper hole. It's more enjoyable too with balance. Where's the other way you're like, go off and like, oh, why did I do that? Yeah, I feel terrible. My stomach hurts now. Same here. You overdo it.

Just punish yourself. Yeah. Speaking of like progress and learning and stuff. Have you guys been reading what they're saying about these these new studies on serotonin and depression? Oh no. Jack, you just sent something over to study. She did too and it's making its rounds, right? So this is ground breaking. In fact, the timing is perfect. I'm reading a book right now called The Body Keeps the score, which very intense read. It talks about PTSD, trauma, how the body stores it, and how the medical establishment has viewed these things throughout the years.

And the latest, I guess, way that we've looked at things like depression, anxiety, and stuff like that is that it's a chemical imbalance. So when ProZac was invented, this was the first SSRI, everybody was like groundbreaking, right? Here we have a drug now, because we thought it was, okay, serotonin deficiency, that's what's causing depression,

that's what's, you know, contributing to anxiety. Here we have a drug that's gonna raise serotonin levels in the brain, and this is gonna totally help. And that changed psychological medicine forever. So it went from talk therapy to psychiatry where it's prescription-based. And now you go get all these different prescriptions. And this has been the model for Western medicine for a long time. It's chemical imbalances.

You need this noripinephrine reuptake inhibitor or the serotonin reuptake inhibitor or whatever, right? Well, the study comes out now showing it completely throwing shade on the whole thing and saying they don't think serotonin is really a contributor to depression. Now, they've tested it many different ways in this, which is really interesting. Really, really interesting. Now, what I find really interesting about that is I have a very vivid memory of my psychology class, my first year of college, and we had debate whether SSRI drugs are worth it or not,

because they had already came out with studies that showed that they were getting the same effect with placebo. So the argument was, well, if it's helping them, should we do it or not, and we had to debate that in class. Well, the evidence they're showing now is that it may be more numbing than anything,

which I guess can help in some cases, but it obviously doesn't solve the root issue. And I mean, I've talked about this before, exercise and studies outperforms SSRIs when it comes to symptoms of depression. But boy, this is crazy because we've built an entire industry, decades-long industry over these medications and the theory that psychological

disorders are chemical and balanced or chemical and balanced rooted. And in these studies, they did, they took people and they limited their serotonin and none of them became more depressed than other groups. And they looked at serotonin receptors. They actually found more serotonin receptors in people who were depressed, not less. And they looked at serotonin receptors. They actually found more serotonin receptors in people who were depressed, not less. Then they looked at serotonin levels, and then they raised them and lowered them, dollars of things. And it was very interesting what's coming out. So I think there's some value, obviously, because people use them in fine

value, but they're thinking maybe it has more of a numbing value than anything else. And that, in many cases, it may be doing more harm than good. Obviously I'm not a doctor, so you want to look this up yourself. And I do not, this I do know, you do not want to go off medications because you read a study. You got to do it with a doctor, because I think the rebound, the rebound. I hate when stuff like this comes out.

It just, it makes me more, even more skeptical about all the research and the studies and stuff that we all hang on to and we tout and try and talk like in certainties about nutrition and fitness. It's just like, damn dude, every time we think we know it all, something comes out like that and disprove something that we believe to be true for some protective of a lot of these methods too. And like, you know, may have their own anecdotes and things of success stories,

you know, and like, so the numbing part of that, I've heard that from some people that it's helped them to sort of at least taper it down by not feeling anything really as much. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's frustrating, because, too, you see this breakthrough science with like psilocybin and some of these other means in therapies

out there that you know are maybe unconventional but like you're like wow the success rate lea look at statistically like what's happening there and it just does it just doesn't seem like it's a big ship to steer well you know the research on psychedelics and therapy was there was tremendous research lots of research on it until it became part of public enemy. But there was a lot of studies in the past. Now we have more studies now. And I think we still have to look deeper,

because I'm also afraid that people will think, oh cool, I'm gonna go do some shrooms in my bedroom and I'm gonna solve my problems. I don't think it works that way. In fact, I know that you say that. And you need the therapy. It doesn't work that way, right? But it is interesting with these medications.

And this book I'm reading is really fascinating. I mean, human psychology is so complicated to pretend like we know how to fix it with a pill is like so arrogant and ridiculous. It's just absolutely. And it's interesting too, because I mean, even if you had pain, like I remember like Courtney going in and You know was experiencing pain and like their first answer to that was to give her like an SSRI or something

You just don't feel like it solves nothing like didn't get to the root But it's an easy thing to like sort of prescribe so that way it like sort of Has an immediate effect I can also have scary side effect Well a lot of people gain weight on them, lose their libido, and then there's some scary side effects that are not very common. Listen, I feel like when it comes to the drug business,

we do enough studies to prove that there's some sort of positive benefit so we can fucking get it out and make money. As long as it has... Well, who funds all the studies? I know. We have enough studies to show that it has some sort of a positive

benefit and that outweighs any sort of negative potential side effects. And if that is it, it's green light. Well, here's green light. Let's go. Let me give you a 75% of commercials and ads space for everything on TV is pharmaceuticals. And the irony of that is we're one of the only countries that

allows that, right? 75%. Let me give you three examples. OK, when artificial sweeteners first were invented, they said, this is going to solve obesity. We can now make food sweet with no calories. Obesities worse. Okay. Here's example number two. Stattons were invented. Drug effectively lowers cholesterol. You take your cholesterol as lower. We are going to solve this heart attack epidemic. No, didn't do anything to it.

In fact, heart attacks are worse than ever. Now, we survive heart attacks more, that has more to do with the treatments that the doctors do when they go in after you have a heart attack or putting stints and stuff like that. Number three, the S.S.R.I.s. This is, and I remember when they first came out, there's a very famous time magazine cover

with like a happy face on it, a happy pill or something like that. This is the chemical and balanced theory, this is the problem, depression worse than ever. So there's your evidence right there. So none of these things did anything to curb the growth of these problems. Why? Because they're far more complex than taking a pill

or doing one thing. Well, we're in the middle of it right now too, with medication for, we're starting to give kids like ADD medications. Starting to, that is an epidemic, bro. You give kids meth and it's like, I know. And that's, and again, something that we claimed

is gonna to help them or solve this issue and it's not getting better, it's getting worse. I remember, as a, as, because I had, I got diagnosed with ADD as an adult, and I remember taking a stimulant, prescribed stimulant for the first time as an adult. So I was in my 20s, and they gave me a low dose of Adderall.

I think it was like five milligrams, seven milligrams, considered a low dose. In fact, they'll start kids off on doses like five milligrams. And I remember taking it, and as an adult, and I was like, they give this to kids. This is drugs, man. This is like holy shit, this is crazy. And then I remember telling the doctor,

this was way back, and then they gave me another medication that wasn't stimulant-based, and then I felt weird and loopy. Imagine you're seven-year-old, you're giving them this, they don't have the words to describe, kind of what's out, you notice the kids calm now. And you're like, oh, this is working. So I mean again, I'm not a doctor So I'm sure that there are applications for stuff like this but Man, we take a brush and we just everything broad strokes. Oh, yeah, this is the solution

It's not the solution and part of it is the funding There are like try to fund a study or find a study that's funded with where the potential outcomes lead to zero profits. Let's do a study on something natural, where if it comes out that it works, nobody's going to fund those. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, that's the only way they unfortunately get done. This is when I get pissed off with the people who are like, the show me the study bullshit. Yeah, yeah. What study?

Dogmatic about study. Yeah, what study. You know what I do? I'll do this. I'll look at old practices. Practices that have been around for thousands of years. Okay, well, why do they do this in aeravetic medicine? It's been around for a long time.

There's obviously something there. Do they do something similar in Chinese medicine? Oh, wow, they do. Is there something in a practice over here in the Western world that's old that matches it? Yes, there is. Okay, there's something to it. Like there's something to fasting, for example,

because it's present all these different forms. Well, there's something to activity or there's something to talking your thing, your problems out. Really interesting. Anyway, in this book, it's really crazy. They were talking about, they were doing FM or eyes on people

and having them relive their trauma and to see how the brain, and they can, all they can see in the brain is more or less blood flow. Okay, this part of the brain is being active, this part of the brain is being shut off. Was there any commonalities

with which parts of the brain are most active? Yes, so with the trauma, there's a part of the brain called the braka. I think I hope I'm saying it, part of the brain, Yes, so with the trauma, there's a part of the brain called the braka, I think I hope I'm saying it, part of the brain, which is responsible for using words to explain what's going on in your mind, what you're feeling and thinking. That part turned white, no oxygen, like it got a stroke,

like it got turned off. So they say this is probably why some people don't even have the words to explain their trauma or when when people are in traumatic Experiences they kind of like just shut down. Yeah, and then you ask them in their speech list Like you know, like like a kid goes through something and you tell them what would happen? And they just don't talk. Yeah, all they can do is feel that part of the brain shut off and they can't communicate You know what happened or whatever which one of the reasons why it's so hard That's really weird. Yeah, really really fascinating stuff speaking of you know the brain happened or whatever, which is one of the reasons why it's so hard. That's really weird. Really, really fascinating stuff.

Speaking of, you know, the brain and kids and stuff, having a little, having little ones, one of my favorite thing about having little kids is watching them develop and use certain skills and you can see them grow and learn how to like, how to lie or manipulate mom and dad or how to be funny when they need to be. Come up with dark jokes.

It's hilarious. Yes. So Jessica sent me a video of a really, he somehow got into the pantry. It's where we have like snacks and stuff or whatever. And she got the phone right the camera and she goes in there and you can see his face like, oops, mom found me, right? And so that as soon as she sees him, he goes,

bye, mama, bye. He's trying to tell her to leave. So she's like, oh, you want me to leave? He's like, uh, bye bye. So she's not leaving. So then he's blowing her kisses. No, this little manipulative kid. Get him home to leave it so he can eat some of the snacks.

That's what I'm saying. Dude, speaking to that, like, too. So I was, I was just hanging out with the Everett and he was, he was trying to be funny. It was like borderline not funny, but like I could see how his brain's trying to do right now, you know, and so he was trying to be funny. It was like borderline not funny, but I could see how his brain's trying to do right now. And so he was trying to associate, so he was basically trying to describe

like what sequence we got the dog. So basically we kidnapped the dogs, took them from their mother, created our own family with them. And meanwhile, they'll never see their mom. Like it was like super dark. The way he's describing like how we, we attain pets and then raise them ourselves

away from their own families. And while he's like laughing about it, I'm like, yeah, dude, that's kind of how it actually, that's actually very deep for him to be thinking that way, right? Like most kids don't think about that. Like that we have these. I know. What we call packs.

That's cool. Yeah, it's really cool. I was tripping out on that to be honest with you guys. I was like, him thinking about that. And like, you know, and he's like, and we give him a nice family home, but we literally like took them. Yeah, we kidnapped them. Yeah, we kidnapped them from their own, you know, family.

And like enslaved them basically. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We can do all that, dude. You know, the family. You ever learn about like white cats, meow, and white dogs bark when they're when they're adults, because like dogs in the wild and wolves, they don't bark unless when they're puppies. But you know, domesticated dogs bark and they, you know, they help and they, you know, they do certain sounds. It's because they evolved to act more like puppies as adults because we found it cute. Oh, yeah, that's what we prefer.

Yeah. And their features, their behaviors we foster. Yeah, dude, they totally evolved to like, like that part of evolution was like, we're gonna make these, these like apex predators like us a lot because they'll just take care of us. Yeah, that's fascinating. I don't think that's the reason. Yeah, but you know, talking about kids too, you know, less of a kid, more of a young, young man. My nephew was in here today and Justin was helping him out with some of his football trains,

a sophomore, and he's playing, playing football. And he wanted to get some advice from Justin and I as far as like, plow metrics and I was training and I said, oh, man, this is a really good time. I said, Justin's in the thick of all this right now. So, you know, if he's willing to part with some of his time, I said, I would love to be able to get you with him and then all of us kind of work together. And so we brought him in today and was teaching him some drills.

And I mean, I know this is probably very normal for Justin because he's living in that world, but I forget, you know, like just the body awareness that like those young kids have. And it's like, and it also highlights to me how disconnected so many young like athletes are with coaching and strength training and stuff like that, because to me, it reminded me that he is the normal, and there's probably three to five kids on the team

that most training drills that a lot of these coaches are doing really only cater to, because they have already the core. The natural ability. Yeah, the natural ability, the core nation. Yeah, like, I mean, my nephew's done a really good job in the last year of like, you know, leaning out

and building his gas tank and like, he's really, you could tell he's really wanting to get good at football. And then Justin has him in there doing some drills. And he's just like, the communication of his upper body to his lower body is just not there. And so, and what it looks like, it looks like a baby giraffe, you know,

trying to do these things. He hasn't lived in that body very long, has he? Yeah, I mean, he's a sophomore in high school, but you can just see like as Justin, and you know, Justin has such beautiful form, right? He teaches a windmill or a box jump, and so a box jump, and he just, and he just, and I know, and, you know, and I'm, and I'm watching Justin

teach it. And then I'm watching my nephew try and emulate it. And it's like, it's so far off. Like in it's, it's the most simple little details. Well, yeah, it's, it's great. Yeah, it's like, it's like a peer into like the last year or two. Like I've been trying to like really figure this out and like work my way back into that. Good patience, man. Oh my God. And it's, yeah, cause you have kind of ideas of like where you want to take them,

but then you see what they're capable of and you're like, oh my God, I have to really peel back. How different is it training a kid versus someone who's older? Both cases have challenges moving, but the advantages and disadvantages of both. Very different. I remember the first time I trained a kid,

I was like, oh, you can't do this, but for different reasons, then why your dad can't do this. Like your dad can't do it because he's tight and stiff. And he knows how to tell his body to do it. They're not happening. You just don't know how to tell your body to do it.

If they're serious about it and they're disciplined, like the adaptation process is so quick. It's crazy. Yeah, I'm really excited. I'm really excited to see if he takes the little bit serious about it and they're disciplined like the adaptation process is so quick. It's crazy. Yeah, I'm really excited. I'm really excited to see if he takes the little bit of stuff that Justin was giving him and actually applies and gets better.

But even his dad with my brother-in-law was there watching it and afterwards, he said, you have any questions and stuff. And he brought up, like, I know he really needs to work on his foot-trills. And it's crazy because it gave me the perspective of like a dad or somebody who doesn't know like what we're showing and teaching him is like You know, it's wild is even though Justin wasn't teaching him all these foot drills What you want to see come out of your son will come out if he actually practices these movements Yeah, Justin's teaching him a proper wind meal You know, he's taught teaching him how to be on the balls of feet,

how to do a single box jump, right? The proper way. You know a movie illustrated that real well? Karate Kid. Oh, the wax on, the wax off. He's like, he wants to learn how it's complicated stuff. He's like, no, he's just learn how to do wax on, wax off. Yeah, but I mean, everything has to be quality.

Like quality is so much more important with each one of those attempts. And that's something that is frustrating a lot from the perception of kids or from the parents because they just want to get into the hype of it all. And like get to get to the crazy hard workouts. And they just don't know that if you just spend that that quality time, like sharpening each part of that movement and being really intentional with every part of that process, like what that is going to build for you later to then build upon it.

Well, it really, it really highlighted for me too, the discrepancy between the young kid on the team who's like the super athlete and then the kid who's like so far, seems so far behind because just like my nephew, he's researching all this stuff. He came to us and he's like, he found like, pile metrics are supposed to help me out. And he's like, Uncle, will you teach me pile metrics? And it's like, well, yeah, I could show you these ice skaters and all these cool like, pile metric moves that you could do,

but his body's not even communicating. Yeah, we had to do this first. Right. And so what ends up happening to probably a lot of these young athletes is you and why they're, I think there's such a huge discrepancy between the superstar athlete and then kind of everybody else, is you have this kind of genetic anomaly who has got, you know, passed down genes from dad or mom who were super athletes.

Gifted motor cord, yeah, exactly. Gifted proprioception, just to understand great body coordination and awareness. And then they find plyometrics and they find these drills and it just enhances them. Well, and then the whole, like you said, the whole workouts and the structure from the coaches is geared towards those kids, which leads everybody else,

you know, to the side to try and catch up on their own. They're not getting any real, like, education and means of being able to work their way into that ability. So it's funny because like, the way, like, I got things very easily, like with my body in terms of, like, I could see you do something and I could mirror it pretty easily. That came naturally to me. And so that helped me a lot with athletics.

And my experience as a new trainer was like the frustration of it was that people didn't have those ability to do this. Yeah. So half my career literally is me trying to figure out how to articulate each one of those in segment, each one of those little pieces that make the most impact to then produce what I was already naturally capable of. This is when you start to learn how to communicate to your clients in ways that gets them to do what you want. So you're like, okay, keep saying pull the bar down to your chest and it's not working.

Oh, bring your chest up to the bar. Yeah. And then it works. I don't chase the bar. Yeah, and that's our, so I wish I knew, so I was in here being interviewed when he was out there. I had no idea what you guys were doing. I wish I knew, because I would have brought them

organ complex from Paleovalid. We got a bunch of them in the back. And for kids, that is a great, you wanna talk about a natural multivitamin, especially for what kids need, with the B vitamins and the iron and a lot, you get at an organ meet, which, you know, I actually didn't even think about that.

I stacked them up with some protein. That's why I... Well, protein too, of course, but I would have given them the organ complex. Well, maybe you can pick it up now if you're gonna see them. Yeah, well, he's gonna start coming in here, so I will. I'll give it to him the next time he's in here,

because he's coming, we'll see, right? So basically Justin and I gave him some stuff to work on and said, listen, and here's the challenge for him and I also is that he's going to another school that's, you know, that's he's practicing with and then also lifting with already. Oh, so the challenge of me had not to add too much. Yeah. And that was like, I was trying to scream. My brain was scrambled because it's like I'm meeting with him And that was like, my brain was scrambled because it's like I'm meeting with him at the very tail end of the opportunity to train into season.

So he only has a couple of weeks and it's like the team's already doing their thing. So how can we complement that? Yeah, and that's the other mistake that these young kids make. And I felt I had to communicate to him in the first, like, you know, 15 to 30 minutes that he was there with this, like, I know right now,

like, you're super motivated to do whatever it is. We'll tell you to do and you just wanna get better. But you need to understand that, you know, if Justin and I just take you through a bunch of like weight training drills right now that are supposed to be good for football, and then you go and you practice on the field today

and you also weight training today, we're doing you a disservice. Like, you're just gonna hammer the body so much that you, and you're doing more so you think you should get better from it, but we'll actually potentially work on it. Especially if you super like motivated and wants to work hard. Yeah, it's a hard message. Dude, he looks great.

Like last time I saw him, I was like trying to tell him, I'm like, man, and that's where I get excited because I can see like all this motivation is coming from him. It's no outside influence of like pushing him in that direction. He wants it. Yeah. I go protein powder, creatine. If he's not already taking it and then organ complex. That's what I would actually do. I thought creatine and protein powder, but I actually organ complex. You know that, you know, I think I know I brought this up on the show. You know that that organ supplements like liver tablets was a staple in bodybuilding. It was a staple for a long time.

Up until the 50s, bodybuilders would take five to 10 desiccated liver tablets with every meal. And they swore by the effects that they had. Was drinking cream and all that was that before that with like the Eugene Sandau days or was that? Oh no, they would also do that heavy cream, milk, whole eggs, you know, all those foods. And they would also, the way they would get lean is they would actually watch Carpohydrates.

This was old time bodybuilders. Limit the, they would say limit the starches and the sugars. And that's all they would do to get lean. Now they didn't get shredded, but they got pretty lean, you know, they got rid of. Okay, so you have to talk about this bare serum because I just did a little bit of reading up on that art. Bare serum. And that's all right. Sounds like be in the next kind of crazy performance?

Oh, no, like dear antler? No, no, no, no, no, no. This is legit. Now, it doesn't exist. Oh, no, it's legit. Oh, yeah, it's here. It doesn't exist yet. So everybody relax.

It does the same thing. It does the same thing. And look up bear serum for most of the, no, no, no. So scientists right now are studying. So bears when they hibernate, which is fascinating, how some animals hibernate, right? Bears when they hibernate, lose a very minimal amount of muscle mass

for the, especially when you, well, when you consider the fact that they're doing nothing for months, they're literally sleeping in hibernation for months, they come out, they lose a lot of fat. They should at your feed. They lose a lot of fat. They should've at your feed. They lose a lot of fat, but the muscle, I mean, it like sticks around.

And so what they're trying to do is they're trying to isolate what is happening in the bear's body that prevents this muscle loss while they're totally inactive, and so they're calling it bear serum. Like if we can figure this out and put this together. Oh, fascinating. Then we may be able to use it on ourselves, which the application is medically or huge, right?

Like you're bedridden or you're injured or you broke your leg, inject you with this thing in the muscle. And muscle pressure. I don't know, dude, I think the pigs that adapt from the wild, from the blue. Oh, you get all hairy and toxic. Yeah, I think that, to me, there's more aggressive.

That's way more progressive. You know what I'm saying? If you get all of a sudden go from being a domestic That's way more progressive You know what I'm saying if you get it all said and go from being a Domestika to wear wolf's Serum is Yeah, bro. That's like you know I'm saying also you grow tusk imagine with that Compossibility, I don't know man you put it put us in the wilderness and if we don't die because we don't know what the hell We're doing I think we'll look pretty different a couple months Probably looks like the weird in our hair

Lord of the flies I survived but yeah, so if they can identify this, it'd be pretty, it'd be pretty rad. Yeah, that's interesting. Plus it's from a bear, right? Interesting. That's a cool animal. Dude, speaking of weird shit, dude, I have a video, I think I sent it to the group.

I don't know if Doug can pull it up. So, you know how they have, they're making these like, autonomous, you know, machines, and one of them looks like a dog and it walks around and you've seen it before, right? Where they jump on this. Boxed from Dynamics. Bro, they put a machine gun on one and a shotgun on one and this little thing I mean did you ever question that was Aggression right the first plate. I mean, it's fucking terrifying I mean isn't what funds most of this stuff like for military purposes?

Of course, yeah. Of course. Yeah, Boston Dynamics, all that stuff is, I think, for military purposes, right? So, can that, because I will, that's the application. I wonder if, here's, I'm imagining a war of the future, right? A war of the future would be machine versus machine. And then once the machines are destroyed, is the next level now human? You know what I mean?

Like, what do they do? Remember, okay, if you go far enough back when we, we, we, on pop mind pump, I theorized that it would be like video games. Yeah, but what if you lose in that? Does that mean you lose in like your champions? Right? Yeah. I like to do. What is going to agree to that though?

What do you mean? You're not going to, if okay, oh, we lost. Oh, great. Okay. Listen. Yeah. No. No. Okay.

Listen. If you think about a, a, a us as an evolved species, look, look, look, look, it's a, it's a freaking dog about a it us as an evolved species Look at look at look at it's a freaking dog with a machine gun head, bro Yeah, that's crazy. You imagine that thing just coming out listen though You think about okay, there was a time. Okay, think about this when we used to go to war and we line up Ten yards from the other guys. Yeah, and blast each other like that So we've obviously progressed from that and it's gotten more and more separate and distant. Why would we not eventually progress to a time where we agree that like why we can have

this disagreement? Because that's the opposite of the way that war progresses. Wars progress and become, we become more efficient at killing. We don't go. We don't learn the other direction. It goes in the direction of, yeah, like it used to be harder to kill someone. You staffed them.

If that was the case, like, there's less destruction, but there's more, like, so it's like in the virtual setting where you're like disputing it. Well, what if that's what future, like a peace treaty's look like? I just don't see.

The peace treaty in the future is this. Listen, we're not agree. We're not agree. We're not agree. We're not agree. We're not agree. We're not agree. We this, listen, we're not agree. We're not agree. Everyone Mario three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude. Let's go. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know because you still are,

you're still battling in a sense because it's our, our, our, our, our intelligence that built that, our strategy that has to go to war and do that with these machines. I wish, but could you imagine, do you really think we would do that? Like, let's say we go to war with China,

and we're like, okay, we agree to a virtual war. Whoever wins wins the war. And then we'll do it by changing. They win all the games. All the video games do. Hey, this is so fun. Hey, but I did you guys. But hold on.

Maybe that's why the US will be the reason why we don't do that. No, that's not true. Yes, it is. We have some of the best video game players that have been me from China. I need a career with kick-ins. What's that mean that the spelling bee? No, it was like the math champion.

Yeah, the math, the US math champion. And they're like all Asian kids. Yeah, yeah. Hey, that's America, bro. America is everybody. Anyway, I can't imagine another country losing and be like, oh, we lost. You guys went and be like, nah, fuck you. I know we lost, but we're not going to do what

you say. Also, we still have missiles. Yeah, I don't see that happening at all. At all, but it is kind of terrifying to see. There was a black mirror episode where there was like a AI dog that was like chasing someone around and trying to kill that one. Well, that shit's going to happen. What do you think, though? I mean, in terms of, like, we created space force, right, for a reason, and there's lots of satellites and this protective kind of zoning of now, of like beyond Earth, like how are we gonna manage people from occupying the moon, for instance,

and then if we keep expanding our way out? Well, the way we do it, we know it's a treaty, but we know it's a treaty. And the treaty is up to that. Nobody puts a base on the moon, but that's because if you do that, that's a declaration of war. So if you do that, now we're going to war.

So if a country does that, they're basically saying they're going to war. But an agreement where we're like, hey, if your favorite champion beats our favorite champion, then we'll give in and you guys win. I don't think that'll happen. I think we'd lose. I don't think we would accept it.

Would you accept it? Oh man, we lost. Now we're communist. No. Everybody's like, man, man, your social credit system, that's to deal with. Sorry, I know we lost, but we give it, we're taking it back.

You guys have to come in here and fight us though. Well, I don't think that, okay, so that's fair. That's a fair point. We give someone tried to conquer us and take over our land and we, and that we, like, I don't think we would stand for that. But then the conflict is normally not over that, right? It's normally over trade or goods or stuff. That always escalates, dude.

But that's just it. It depends on who's in charge. And escalates because we don't have like a more, you know, less aggressive way to settle it. Like if we could just say like, if it was like over trade, right? Or tariffs or something like that, it's like, we're gonna enforce these things. No, you're not. We're gonna go to, you know what might work? Well, I got an that. It's like, we're gonna enforce these things. No, you're not.

We're gonna go to the... You know what might work? Well, I got an idea. What might work, this would never happen, by the way. But let's just say the whole world was in on it and they said, okay, and they were the referee. So, and it's like, you know, it's like one country against another and then they have to go

in this virtual world, whoever loses loses, but if they go back on it, now the whole world declares war on the loser. Hey, you didn't follow the rules, I'm sorry, but, but even then, I, okay, I'm gonna use an American example because I know Americans, I am an American. We're, we get a virtual war and the whole world is the referee and we agree, all right, if we lose, we'll give in,

and we lose. You know what we're gonna say? No, sorry, we're not gonna give in. I didn't say that. Yeah. Well, I mean, we all have depends on what, because like you said, bringing back to like, we're not going to give in and then say and then become a communist nation like that. That was the war. Like, Oh, China is saying, Hey, we're going to, we're going to go to war with you in this virtual world. If we win, we get to, we get to dictate you how your countries are and like, no, I'm thinking it's over more, you know. You know, in the past, there have been situations like that

just to avoid greater carnage, but on a large scale, it's never worked. But there has been the past, like, duels. You know, back in the day, you had families that hated each other, and instead of going out and all out, feud with each other, like one guy walks up with the guy, I said, all right, let's do a duel,

and then that'll end it. Now sometimes it didn't. Some times I was watching, they still do that over like an iron leader with that with like families Oh, you mean the the knuckles travelers. Yeah, you got an issue with another family with that They kept going back and forth though even them and it is spurred a murder and one of them or whatever So even then I don't know man Human behavior we're back to you to be able to do it. Yeah, we're left the greatest It's a there hey speaking of law of behavior and weird changes and stuff. Is it true? Oh man, human behavior, we're back to human behavior, yes. We're left the greatest.

Hey, speaking of behavior and weird changes and stuff, is it true that BMW is going to, this may be a sign of the time, a sign of the times of the future, they're gonna start charging you a monthly fee for your seat heaters, excuse me to work. So, okay, I heard this. What? I know. And I actually think this is a good dime. I held out of this. Yes, work. So, okay, I heard this. What?

I know. And I actually think this is a good diamond. I'm a hell out of this. Yes. Okay, listen. EA owned BMW. One of the most brilliant, one of the most brilliant services I've ever seen created is dog kennels now

that have these cameras on your dogs the entire time. And you have all these all-acart options that you can do at when you want to do it, right? So you pay your $25 a day to have your dog stay here, but then if I want a tummy rub for my dog at three o'clock in the afternoon, I can pay $3. If I want my dog to go for a play date with another dog, I can pay $4.

Yeah, this is a really easy one. And you have control, you can watch and everything like that, and it's brilliant, right? Because you know dog owners are doing this like crazy it's brilliant, right? Because you know, of course. The dog owners are doing this, like crazy. And then if they don't want to, they just want the service, they can be those people too.

And I think the future of these cars, especially like Tesla's BMW is going in this direction now, is you have a base model car that you pay only certain amount of money, but then all the upgrades are controlled digitally that they can also do. Oh, you want your self-driving automation upgrade to your car? That's all a car. You can run it just one time and use it for this drive. And so it's $17.00. This was an Apple's idea.

They always do that with their products. Why would you say that? The right to be like Apple. Apple CarPlay is going to be one of the most revolutionary things to do. You know why this is so weird to me is because it's never been this way with your seat getting heated. Yeah, but there has been expectations. I mean, you have to pay for it by the car. Exactly. So think about it. Okay, what you're reading into right now, we use that mix. Well, that lower the price of the vehicle.

Yeah, so you would buy. Okay, so this would now become a a baseline BMW that Option that can be upgraded for a monthly service. Okay, that makes me like that So what if it's like this what if you could pay to like get the 500 horsepower that you want? That's what gonna happen to Because it's all driven a lot by the chips anyway You're gonna be you're gonna be I'll I'm gonna pick up when you are. It's upload you're gonna be, oh, I'm gonna pick up. When you are, it's up load. You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna,

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gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you's built, that model, like a year or two ago, it's guaranteed it, but I do believe that they're going away from that, that the upgrades, you will have to pay for it. Actually, now that you explain it, that makes a lot of sense, because if you can lower the price point of entry for getting a vehicle and then like,

as they acquire more money to, I mean, it's brilliant. Yeah, and it's a win for the consumer, and it's a win for the business. Yeah, that makes sense. Because they can then get you in at a lower entry level. And so they're like, oh, I can own a BMW now because it doesn't have all these options. But then when you want those specific options, you can choose to have those upgraded in there. Now, I don't know about you guys, but all I can think of right now. So when we were kids, remember how you had to pay extra for HBO and Cinemax

and Pay Per View, and then remember how you could buy a box and put it on your TV. And it'll always be hackers. That's what I'm thinking right now. Sure. It'll be a black market where you bring it possibly. They all get the base model.

Why are you scratching your head, Doug? Well, I mean, if you wanted heated seats in your car, they have to put in the mechanisms to not... Already built in. Already built in, so that's an expense. So you're gonna pay for that when you buy the car. Well, they do give you access. They're essentially paying for heated seats

when you buy the car. Yeah. Because they have to put in the mechanism. And now you're paying a subscription on top of that. Yeah. That's right. Well, I think that the... Well, are they factor that in

and they don't give you access to turning it on? Well, yeah, but they still have to have the mechanism or or what happens done Yeah, they're gonna have to wrap that in the total price or because of the subscription services that offsets the cost of Shitting them in the car. Yeah, so they could lower it for people who don't use it That's what I would think my work. Well, of course BMW is gonna make more money doing this or else they wouldn't do it Yeah, of course, they're gonna make more money doing this, or else they wouldn't do it. Yeah. Of course. They're gonna test it in some show. I'm sure they already.

Yeah. I can see hackers though. I'm all about, like, if I buy the car and I own it, and I don't have to take it in, like, as a lease, and they, whatever, I'll take the base of your account. Look how quickly, like a wash doesn't it. Look how quickly Apple trained all of us to lease our phones. You know what, though, that's because it was a new market.

Imagine if we, see, the thing about car market, is that such an old market that you're going to have to retrain the consumer? You know what I mean? Seated seats are not an old market, that's a new market. Seated seats have not been around that long. They've been long enough to where if you have it, you have it. Like no one's ever had to pay a subscription service for it before.

Oh, I mean there's probably a lot of people that don't have heated seats in their car right now, bro. Well look, on every fucking, they were talking about being in a luxury car. Here's why I kind of agree with you because people buy bottled water. Like, yeah. That was a joke, literally 20 years ago, 25, 30 years ago, it would have been a joke if you said you could sell everybody to buy water because it was free basically. And now everybody buys bottled water.

So that's why I kind of agree with you. I can see. I just see where the, okay, our cars are becoming more and more like computer systems. 100% and it's a tech piece of tech. Yes, they're becoming more and more like a piece of tech that from away from the car, somebody else, a hub, can add or take away things.

And so it only makes sense that we would move into this direction of here's your baseline vehicle that you paid for. And then it has all these potential things that you could turn on whenever you want, and then you pay all the car. Yeah, that makes sense. I could see it going in that direct. Did you see in Europe?

I don't know what country it was. They passed a law that said, any car sold past, I forgot what the date was, has to be speed limited, so that they can't go fast on the speed limit, which makes logical sense, just on a consumer basis though, I can't imagine consumers wanting that shit.

I always thought that as a kid. I'm like, wait a minute, they could put a speed limiter to make a good now go faster than 130. Why can't they do it to 65, so nobody's speed? That makes sense. And I think they would just crush the ticket market or whatever, the five.

I mean, Jack, who wants that car? Yeah. But there's countries, I forgot where it was in Europe, they were passing that. So with cars like this, I could see that. Of course. Now the government's gonna step in and say,

oh, you can't accelerate past this point. You can't go past the speed. If you get pulled over, police has access to your car. So as soon as they want to pull you over, they will push a button, stop your car. And then that's a thank you drive. Well, you see now too, the, what is wrong? As long as I'm going with like hot rods.

I'm going to buy a horse. Yeah. You see what insurance companies do. Trust me, you're car insurance companies are doing now too, where you have this like adjustable car insurance based off of how you drive, because they can now track all your driving patterns. How often do you speed or the speed limit?

If you stop at stop signs, like how often you actually drive throughout the day, like all that stuff gets, it's thrown into an algorithm and spits off, like oh, this person should only be getting charged or so then you'll be able to get a kickback on your entrance. Speaking of tech and stuff, I am trying to find a way to put PRX in my garage

because I have an old rack in there. But in the garage that I have, the walls have a bunch of storage cabinets. And the back wall has got some pipes and stuff. And so I don't know where I can put the PRX cage, but I think I may take off some of the side storage because I can't use my garage. I don't park any of my cars in the garage.

I just have my gym in there. I'm so mad about that. I'm so disappointed in you when I see it too. I know. I'm a little bit too car. As we now get some amazing racks. First of all, first of all, park out here in this parking lot over here for whatever reason. I know.

I don't know what plants they have out there. I don't know. There's something over there. Two seconds after they're washed, they're covered in, I know. I know. Pollering and stuff. So I don't know. But I want that rack in my garage because I can't use it.

I can't use it. If I had a PR I could be able to use it. I could fold it in. Well one cool thing I saw that they did because there was like a problem with like the models where your ceiling wasn't quite as high. So say they're like eight foot, not like the 10 foot clearance. Like that's what happened in my old house.

And it was a bummer. I had to like, I didn't realize that I had to like send it back because I couldn't pick it because it has to go up to be able to go into the wall. So what they did, so I couldn't get the one that had the pull-up bar attachment. So now they actually have like engineered like a way that you can you can bolt that into the wall so you can still put your rack up but then you keep the actual attachment on the wall for your pull-ups. Oh, that's cool. So it kind of solves that

probably have like lower ceiling but you still want to pull it. Oh, that's cool. So it kind of solves that problem if you have like, lower ceiling, you still want to pull up. I also like that I like that rack better than a standard case. I do too. It's more stable. The way more stable. It's the most stable rack of a week. I mean, I remember being so skeptical

when we first started working with him, like, go on like, am I going to like this for a lot of 300 pounds on this and make it a lot of money. And you know, shame on me for not like, like it's very, it's pretty basic physics when you think about everything that's attached to the wall plus the support of the arms when it comes down, I think it's stable as shit, dude.

I, and I love the fact that it literally, I mean, that's how much it takes up on my garage. Yep. So I can fit my truck in the garage, which is super long compared to the other cars. Like, and you have a full gym. Yeah, I love that, man. I mean, it's for sure been one of the one of the best

inventions as far as garage gym stuff to be out. Because that's one of the, I mean, forever I've always been hesitant about building a garage because I are gym inside my garage because I've always one in my car's in. I love being able to pull into a garage and be out of the weather and have your car in there. Plus, I don't know if you guys have ever had a time

in your life where you've had a car for a long period of time that never was garage and then a car that has been garage. The longevity of your car when you park in the garage is crazy difference. Like you park a car out all job and everything else. All the time, oh the interior, I mean, it just wears on a car out all job and everything else. All the time, oh the interior air, I mean, it just wears on a car being beat down by the sun all day long

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Yeah, very specific. Oh, it's okay to. Now, all things being equal, meaning you have an appropriate effective workout program and a good diet, good sleep. Like, all things being equal, your genetics play a huge role in how quickly this can happen. So, it's a very tough question to ask, but generally speaking, it's a slow process because you are asking your body to add or to increase upon its requirements for energy. In other words, it's gonna need more calories,

it's gonna need more nutrients. And your body doesn't do that willingly. Also, generally speaking, you tend to build muscle faster when you first start working out than later on. So you get this like real quick response. A lot of people refer to that as new beings. And then it really starts to slow down. And the longer you work out the slower

and the harder it is to add muscle. But for a person or person, boy, this could vary, right? It's not only a really slow process, it also requires consistency with the diet and the training for a very long period of time. All the components aligned at once. So yes, if you're in that sweet spot where you have everything, your recovery is super on point like the amount of stimulus

You're providing your body is is adequate for for you to change Your hormones are balanced like you know, you're there's just so many nutrition and all the stuff So like yeah, if if everything is stacked like completely perfect if for and you're stringing that out for a period of time that's super consistent, that's when you're going to see results a little bit quicker. Yeah, but you have to, so when you guys think of someone like this who asked a question like this, what do you see or like some of the most common pitfalls or mistakes that a person like this normally makes in pursuit of that, right? I get a young guy who's like, how fast could I pull 20 pounds of muscle or whatever?

And they want to know like all the, Well, either inconsistency or it's over training. Yeah, it was not to be the two biggest ones. Right. And that's exactly where I was going was. So, and this is the mistake I even made as a, as a young kid trying to build muscle too, is that, you know, I didn't realize how important it was for me to every day in, day out, be hitting my protein intake and then also being in a calorie surplus, a majority if not all the time, and then also being very consistent with the workouts. And when one or two of those things are not consistent, you could literally go a month or two of training and see very little to no progress.

Or backwards. What people need to realize is that your body's always in a muscle protein breakdown stage where you're losing muscle or in a positive, protein synthesis stage where you're adding muscle. And the process of building muscle is essentially when the positive protein synthesis outweighs the negative. So even if you build muscle, it's not always that you're building muscle.

You're still going through processes of losing. It's just that the building outweighs the losing. So that's kind of what it looks like. Also, it's, you don't build muscle. It's not a consistent linear thing. If you were to look at, like it takes somebody who worked out for five years who gained, let's say, 15 pounds of muscle, if you looked at when they gain that muscle, it looks like blocks of time. Oh, here's where I gained three pounds and then nothing for a while. I know I gained another one and then nothing for a little while. So it's not like this. I gained 15

pounds over the course of two years, which equals out to a quarter pound of muscle every week or whatever, it doesn't work out that way. It's like a spurt of growth and then plateau and maybe some backwards. Even then you get challenges if you have like these big periods of growth because now you have to be able to support that growth.

Right. And so like if you're just applying the same hammer to get you more growth, you're gonna run into problems where it's like, okay, now my joints are screaming at me and my ligaments and everything else are, you know, like to, tense up and there's too much demand there so I need to reinforce that.

So now my focus has to be elsewhere to be able to support this to then add upon what I ever received. So to your points out, this is one of the reasons why I like this psychological game that I've played with myself when I'm trying to sound really bad. Right. My delivery. What do you play with yourself? The psychological game is not me playing with myself. It's literally challenging myself. As it rolled off my tongue, I was like, damn,

that didn't sound the sound the way I wanted it to sound. Okay, we all do it. No, I, I, I, I challenge myself with it because I know how important the consistency with the workout is, I know how slow the process is. And I know how important the consistency with the diet portion is that all three of those have to be aligned and consistently aligned. And the reality is that many times in a journey towards a goal like this, one or two of those things fall off here and there.

So I challenge myself this way where I say, okay, I diet and training all gonna be consistent and I'm gonna try and be perfect for X amount of days. And I start with small goal this week, you know, this week is gonna be a great week. And so, and then maybe I have a day where, oh man, I didn't hit my protein intake. And to your point, I'm going backwards. I'm either building or I'm losing. If I don't hit my protein intake, I miss day training, I'm going the opposite direction.

I'm not building, I'm not sending the signal, I'm not building at that time. I'm going the opposite direction. If I always wanna be progressing, I need to keep stringing more of these days. Okay, so I made seven days. The new goal is eight days. Can I string now eight perfect days in a row?

And then I go, maybe I not only go with eight, I actually carried it all the way to 17 days, and then I have my first day of missing nutrition, and my first couple of days of missing the gym. Oh shoot, instead of beating myself up, okay. Now 17 was the new record. That's if I can beat that. That's if I can beat that.

And I just keep playing this game of challenging myself with being more consistent with that stuff. And then that's to me when I started to see like the muscle starting to pack on, because I was starting to string more and more consistent blocks of not missing on my nutrition and not missing on my training. And then it started to compound.

Because if you go into it like, oh, I heard that you can gain eight to 10 pounds of muscle a month or like that. And then you, and or you could do the other angle, which is like, well, I'll do more. You know, I'm gonna train harder and hopefully, it's all that intensity and you think that's the way you're gonna build more muscle.

You get stuck in these traps and these plateaus that you can't get out of and you can't figure out why because you're working hard. Now, in my experience, I love your guys' input on this and I'm gonna refer to the, this is the average person. So I'm not talking about the freaks, right? The genetic freaks. So the average person, I would say, for a man on average,

doing most things right, okay? Most things right, working out, right? Eating pretty good for the most part, getting good sleep, appropriate training, intensity volume. I would say the average man could probably gain anywhere in the first year of training, anywhere between, I don't know, maybe 10 to 14 pounds of muscle, something around that, right, for the first year.

If they do everything right for a full year, for a woman, it's probably around four to eight pounds of muscle in that first year. Would you guys say that that's? I think that's super accurate. I think that's pretty accurate. I think it's super accurate and don't be discouraged if you're a young guy or girl who is wanting way more than that because

the difference is that's the first year by the way. Yeah, after that, it ain't happening. Yeah, and also 10 pounds of lean body mass. It looks really different. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So and the likelihood if you gain 10 pounds of muscle you probably also put you know three to five pounds of fat along the way. So you know, you're 15 pounds. Well, that's one of those 20 pound, you know, like we'll get that sometimes like I gained 20 pounds of fat along the way. So you got your 15 pounds. Well, that's where those 20 pound, you know, like we'll get that sometimes, like I gained 20 pounds of it. You got to just decipher like what was lean mass versus like, you know, what you actually packed on to. That was so much.

And there's also water. I could make my body now, right now, I've already done this. I can make my body weight fluctuate by five to six pounds of water very easily. Yeah, very easily. And when I have the extra six pounds of water, I feel bigger, my muscles feel more pumped,

it feels like muscle, but I know it's water. Well, you're also, it's really important to note that you talked about a beginner just starting, right? It's totally different than, like, I could put 20 pounds of muscle on a month right now. Well, because you got that muscle memory. Right. Because I'm way under what I've...

You've had it before. I've had way more muscle on my body than I have currently right now. I'm nowhere near dialed in either both consistency training or eating. Yeah, if you went super aggressive. If I turn it on, it was perfect over the next month. I could shift my weight.

And that's what we see a lot of times on these advertising, this bullshit. That's why I wanted to bring it up. It's because you'll see someone like me who's got 20 years plus of training has built his body up to the pinnacle of bodybuilding physique. And then is now kind of fallen out of shape and comparison to that.

And I'm significantly, my muscle mass is probably somewhere around 180, maybe even 170 right now. I've been a lean body mass. Yeah, lean body mass. And I've been as high as 205 and lean body mass, even a little bit higher than that, I think, to 10, when I'm at the age of 10. Oh, at the very least, you could add 10 pounds of lean body mass

for a month. Like that, like that, because I had it before. So that's, and so when you see those, those transformations like that, you, and you don't know all those factors, you have to, and it wasn't the supplement he took. It wasn't the workout routine necessarily that he did. It's just that you have to factor all that stuff. But yeah, that first year, the numbers I gave earlier is, if you do everything right, you'll

probably fall. And I say probably because some people will be less, some people might be a little more, most people will be somewhere in the middle of what I said. You'll probably fall within that range. The second year, far less. So if you gained 13 pounds of lean body mass in your man, that first year, and you did everything right, and you're not a teenage kid, where you're going to gain weight anyway at whatever, that next year you might do three pounds or four pounds of lean. Then the third year, maybe a three pounds or four pounds a litle more than the third year, maybe a couple pounds or none. And that's that. It's a struggle for every pound of lean body mass and for a woman,

you know, same thing that first year. Most of my female clients, if they did everything right, I'd be able to put a good five, six pounds of lean body mass on them in that first, like real pure lean body mass, not body fat water, but actual in that first year. Now, I've also there are genetic anomalies out there. I mean, I've only trained a couple that I could really say are, oh, these are genetic freaks, where the muscle just,

but that's not the average person. So don't expect that. But I think the thing that's encouraging and why I was bringing up my point of being able to swing my muscle mass that fast now is that over a year, and what that is is that, you is that at one point I probably had one of that hyper growth years where I put on 10 to 15 pounds of muscle and then every year

after that it was five more than five more than five more than five more and then here I am at 40 years old and I've been all the way up to 235, 240 pounds and I can now drop all the way down to 190, 200 pounds and lose a ton of muscle, but that I can get it back really quick. So even though it took years and years and years and years and years to add on the three to five more pounds, three to five more pounds, but once your body has carried that lean mass before,

obtaining it again gets easier and easier as you get older. So even though it's a slow process initially to build all that muscle mass, it gets better as you get older. So even though it's a slow process initially to build all that muscle mass, it gets better as you get older. Next question is from Too Rache. Can you explain carb cycling and its benefits? Can you fat cycle as well? So carb cycling is really popular among

stage presentation athletes, like bodybuilders and physique competitors and bikini competitors. I love it. And they, they, they tout it because they say it's effective for fat burning or you burn more body fat doing it. That's not why I think it's effective. I think it has more to do with the psychological effects of carb cycling because first off cutting carbs for calories to reduce your calories in my experience, especially when you're tracking everything and you're, to reduce your calories, in my experience,

especially when you're tracking everything and you're lifting weights and all that stuff, it's easier than cutting fat and definitely easier than cutting protein. You don't wanna cut protein. In fact, it can be a little bit challenging to really cut because it's more satiating than carbs. So people tend to mess with carbs.

Carbs are also non-essential. You can get rid of them completely in second to kill you. You can't do that with fat and with protein. So why do they cycle it? Well, higher carb days give you more energy. Your muscles fill out, you're stronger, you feel good in the gym, you get a better pump.

When you drop the carbs, you lose weight, you look skinnier, maybe you look leaner because you've got less water, but then you're weaker, less energy. And so rather than always going low carb or always going particular way, you cycle and They tend to try to target harder workouts with more carbs and they try to and you get to also

Satisfied that mental feeling of like you know when you caught when you cut your calories, especially if you're You know body conscious and you don't like losing muscle you cut your calories and you cut your carbs You feel like you're shrinking that little carb up is a nice, oh, I feel better. Here's my pump. Oh, I can see what's working on my body. So that's one of the main reasons why I think it's better. I think 100% agree with you. The main thing is the psychological piece. And you're right, a lot of body builders will try

and make the case with insulin, what's going on with insulin. And what's really going on more than anything is every third to fourth day, depending on what your carb cycle looks like, you get to refeed. Is that what yours was when you were? So I actually played around with that.

So those are the other things I thought was really funny, is there was kind of like this traditional way of every third day, there was like a low carb day, a medium carb day, then a high carb day. It's kind of like the traditional. And I understood the science behind what was really going on. And so there's nothing that stops you from going low, low, medium, high, or medium, medium, low, high.

Like you can play with it and I did. I messed with all different ways. And I really liked the fourth day being the refeed. I like to push my body a little bit further on the low calorie and then I would refeed on the fourth day. I always tried to schedule it around like a big muscle group that I was training, whether that was legs or back or something like that.

So I wanted my maximal strength and calorie surplus at that time. So I think it's the psychological part. When you're dieting for an extended period of time where you have to be in a caloric deficit, and if you have the same macros, the same everything day in and day out, it just, it gets, it gets laborious and it gets tough to stick to forever where with the carb cycle,

it just gives you a break in the diet. It feels like you get like the, all of a sudden you get this day where you get an excess amount of carbs in comparison to the previous two or three or four days. And it feels good, and it's a nice little break. I don't, although you could calorie-wise cycle fat, I think it's a bad strategy. I think most people... Mostly, it's just calorie cycling at that. Well, yeah, and it's essential, like you said.

Fat and protein is essential. The reason why they carb cycle carbs is because, not essential, there's less room for air when you're cycling fat, or if you were a cycle... You go too low on fat, you're affecting your health, and you're affecting your health. You can potentially affect hormones, and you're not gonna feel good,

and it's end fats, very satiating in comparison to carbohydrates. So I think it feels better to reduce the carbohydrates than it would do to reduce fat, which actually helps you stay satiated, and when you're in a cloric deficit, you wanna try and feel as much satiated as you can when you're most of the time gonna go.

I had 100% agree. I only did this, I've done this a few times when I've gotten really lean, and I like to do, I only go, I would do low, low medium, and then I had a one high carb day, and the reason why I didn't do it more frequently, because I, for me at least, noticed that when I had the high, first off, obviously the next day,

I had great workouts great pumps But when I would do it it would set my appetite off and then I'd have like a day or two afterwards where I'm like fighting my appetite So I'm like I don't want to do this every three days because this can be really hard So that's the greatest challenge with the carb cycle is the is the discipline after the refeed to not because you're that the next day is the hardest day Because you you now give this refeed and it reek kicks up that appetite again. And then you, and then you have this 10, and by the way, it's also psychologically challenging because you feel better and you look better at the refeed.

So a lot of guys go like, oh, I'll do another day. Yeah. And then the next, you know, you're back in a calorie surplus. You're no longer in a deficit anymore. So if you have the mental discipline to understand what is going on with the body, why you feel that way, why you looked that way in a deficit anymore. So if you have the mental discipline to understand what is going on with the body, why you feel that way, why you looked that way, I liked it.

I've had a lot of success. It's typically if I were to go into a real aggressive fat loss or a cut right now, I would lean towards a carb cycle. I would first, the first steps would be figuring out my balance because I have no idea what my clork maintenance is right now, not exactly what it is. I would first just track and see where my maintenance is.

Then once I figure out my calorie maintenance, I would start off with an even ratio of carbohydrates and fats because it's just nice and balanced and then hitting my protein intake. And then after I've got another week or so with that, I would go, okay, now let's start manipulating carbohydrates and calories. And then we'll start to cycle.

Yeah, I was always curious to kind of ask you guys because I didn't mess with any of this stuff really. You do cheese cycling. It's cheese cycling. I don't cycle it. I just keep it in the mix. You do. He's always on the cheese bowl.

Maybe like variety. I'll cycle the variety, but the whole concept of like carb, loaded, car back loading and all that, like I've played with all that too. Okay, so it's hard for pulling the day. Yeah, it's hard for pulling the day. And again, that's the benefits. So, okay, so again, here's another thing where we like to take a little bit of science

and we run with it and then we try and make the case again. You've got someone likes it, it's the psychological problem. It is, exactly. They try and make the case for the insulin levels and then like your body wanting to recover through the night and rest and that's when you should really be feeling it. So that's why you back low carbohydrates, blah, blah, blah.

And then other people are like, no, don't raise them. I've heard that. I've always kept the goal. Yeah, to me, all that stuff is all a bunch of bullshit and you're splitting hairs on the difference of it. And it's really like, what will you add here to and what do you like the most? And I played with both.

And the things that I didn't like about the back loading and carbohydrates is I needed, I shouldn't say I needed, I felt better in my workouts when I front loaded my carbohydrates. When I, and I've told this on the podcast before, I've told you guys, I had it to a gram. Like I knew that 75 grams of carbohydrates, if I had, once I intake that,

I had the best workouts like that. For my body then, it's probably different now, but then if I had about 75 grams in, it wasn't too much, and it was just the right amount for me to have fuel and amazing workouts. So if I backloaded carbs, and let's say it's a day where I'm only eating

a hundred grams of carbs, that means I'm not in breakfast, not in lunch. Most of it's gonna be happening in the late evening meal and dinner and I already had my workout at noon. So my workouts would suck. Yeah, this is where you and I are different. I liked eating if I had a higher carb day in the evening because I slept better.

I would sleep better and have a big meal in the evening and I like to work out more, you know, relatively fasted. That's where you went. Well, you also like to logic. Yeah, but here's the thing though, you're not back loading as much as you think and I'm not front loading as much you think because our workout times are so different You train really early in the morning, right? So if you loaded up on carbohydrates late at night It's actually and you don't Yeah, you're he's fueled up for his morning morning breakfast or morning lift which makes a lot of sense

What's it called why you like that and it makes a lot sense. Why someone who like me who trained it two o'clock in the afternoon, why I wanted the carbohydrates in the front. And to me, that is what matters more than what the argument that the geeks like to try and make of like, what's going on with insulin and growth hormone and all that bullshit. It's like, come on.

It's like, when do you work out? Because if I have a shitty workout, I'm less likely to push the intensity, to hit PRs, to finish the workout. Well, when you're trying to time out, you're easily accessible energy source. Yeah. And when you're training at that level, where it's your job, you're competing, it's your job.

You want to do everything you can to make your workout as perfect as possible. But I love talking about that stuff because these are all things, I played with all that stuff. I had, you know, four years of being fanatical about this stuff. I every, everything you can think of that some bodybuilder guy has pushed or talked about, I have manipulated and played with. And then, like, it took my own, like,

okay, I see why some people like this, I understand why that. Like, they, in South says it's a lot, right? Like, we just, we've done a really, it's got a bad name of bro science because the way they communicate it, because they try and communicate it with insulin levels and growth form. They try and sound really smart about it. When it's just like, okay, that's splitting hairs. What we're really talking about, what's really more important is tell me how you felt when

you, at the way, did you get a good ass workout from it? Did you feel really good from it? Because from a calorie perspective, it's the same damn thing. Whether you're 70, 75 grabs in a breakfast or you have it at dinner, if it all equates out to the same amount of calories, then from a fat burning perspective, it's pretty much the same damn thing.

So that all that bullshit is out the window. It really becomes, can you be more consistent with that? And are your workouts good with that? Next question is from, I love T-shirt time more than he does. I don't know, it's his favorite time of the week. Is there a set point for our weight? Yes and no.

Okay, so here's the yes part. You do have a genetic size, obviously, Justin, Adam, myself, Doug, we're a certain height. There's a certain, I'm sure, genetic limit to how much we can gain in terms of weight or lose and all that stuff. So in that sense, yes.

Now, here's the sense where it says no. They've used this to sell people in the fact that you're not gonna lose weight, you're not gonna do it, you know, it's not effective because your body has a body weight it wants to be at and that's the bottom line. It's like a pain point thing. Here's your limitation.

Not true. Obesity really is a new problem. Did all of a sudden we evolve the last couple of generations to be super obese? No, that's just our lifestyle. So the set point that people fight with now is really just their behavior and their lifestyles. So we tend to go back to the behaviors and lifestyles

that we're most used to. So when you lose 20 pounds, how do you do it? You change your behaviors, you change your lifestyle. That's how you lose a 20 pounds. Why do you gain it back? You go back to your old lifestyle and which takes you back to your old body weight. That's where that comes from.

But it's not this block where it's like, well, hey, I can't lose 50 pounds because my body won't let me. It's my set point. No matter what I do, my metabolism will adjust, and my body's in a work itself. No, no, that's just your behavior, John. You just got to fix your behavior.

Yeah, yeah. And then you're going to end up. Well, it really depends. I've heard this question asked by several different types of clients. So if you're the fat loss client that is really struggling with weight loss and you're 100 pounds or whatever, you're way over weight, it doesn't matter how much. And you're curious, do I have

this set point? The answer that salgis gave is spot on. It's the way I would communicate it to that client. Then I also get it sometimes from like the person who's trying to build muscle, like the young kid who's trying to add a bunch of muscle and is wondering like, am I just genetically screwed? I'll never be this buff guy. Well, you'll probably never be Arnold Schwarzenegger if you have this kind of ectomorph type of body, some anotype, and you're really, really lean, like you're probably not going to get all the way up there. We have, unless you use probably anabolic steroids.

Even then, no. Yeah, and even then probably not, right? But, and we have, what's the name of the calculator that we have for your muscle potential? Oh, that's on our... Because there is a a there is a maps macro.com will have a link So there is a generic number that we all have that is your natural You know, potential potential muscle potential very few people are there, okay? Most of us having unless you've been lifting for decades consistently

You probably haven't reached that. But yeah, there is a point where your skeletal system is not naturally going to want to put on any more muscle without using drugs. That it's gonna say, this is kind of the net. So if you're asking me about set point for that, that's kind of where I'm going with that conversation is I'm gonna explain muscle potential and that yeah we have we do have kind of a limit there very few young people have come anywhere near it yet so I

wouldn't be worried about that but then there's the fat loss community that wants to use the set point thing and that was your body is just very good about finding its way to homeostasis and trying to regulate everything. So it drives in the environment you present it with. So a lot of the change has to be a constant staying ahead of the curve of what's stimulus you're applying to your body. And so being consistent is definitely the biggest factor to that in terms of like you're but reaching closer to your potential, which most people don't even get close. Because the consistency is the hardest thing.

But if you're talking to somebody that's been consistent for years and years and years, but hasn't then also applied different stimulus, different concepts, taken their body and challenged it in a variety of different ways. You know, then that's also another way that you can kind of maybe squeeze out even more from your body. But the thing is, you're always kind of battling your body's natural inclination to kind of bring things into its optimal. Like, this is where we're best at. Yeah, the problem is that the question is point, as if there's a point, it's is where we're best at. Yeah, the problem is that is the question is point, as if there's a point, it's not, it's a range.

Yeah, right. You have a, you have a genetic range. You change all the time. You have a genetic range for intelligence, you have a genetic range for how good you're gonna be at basketball or chess or how fast you can run or how much weight you can gain or how much weight you can lose.

And it's a big range. Now what determines whether or not you're in the middle or on one extreme or the extreme, your lifestyle? Now, I have a range for intelligence. It's different than Einstein's range was for intelligence. So can I achieve the types of feats of intelligence that Einstein had? No. But I have a potential,

and I probably haven't reached that potential, right? And I probably have a potential for obesity and muscle mass and health or poor health. And it's your lifestyle that dictates that. So I would say that more accurate way to ask this question is there a set range for our weight, in which case yes, but that range is pretty damn massive. Like I'm pretty sure I could get my body weight down to 120 pounds

if I really starve myself. And I'm pretty sure if I really pushed it, I could get my body weight up to a hundred, maybe 300 pounds if I really pushed it. So let's just say that's my range, right? Well, how do I determine where I land within there? That's my lifestyle. Next question is from Brett Richards 87. What are some training tips with a newborn?

Yeah, I would start with a really lightweight, and I have a very strong stable at that age. Really support the head. Really support the head as they're doing. I'm not using deadlifts yet. Don't probably weigh a little bit longer. Don't use them like a shake weight. Yeah, don't shake it.

No, it's not good. Obviously, the question is for the dad. Yeah, I'm about to have a newborn, I got like three, three, I'm not good. Obviously the question is for the dad. I'm about to have a newborn shit. I got like three, three months before I got another one. Well, I tell you what, okay, that's such a great point. And one of the best things that you did was you've built one of the best physiques you've had heading into it. So I'm gonna let myself go way down.

It's so normal. I mean, the truth is though, I mean, that's the right it out from here. That's a good strategy. I think you should, you know, I'm not that you will either. I know you, like you're not going to like also do, oh, fucking right it off. But the fact that you have pushed and been as consistent as you have been with your diet and your training to get your physique to the level that it's at right now, boy,

it gives you a lot more of a good answer. I remember you did that when you had master's-same thing. Yeah, I gave me a lot more latitude to kind of not stress if I didn't get a lifting day this week. Yeah, I'd say the keys to consistency or training when you have anything in your life that makes it very challenging to be consistent

with anything, which a newborn is gotta be one of the most challenging things. There's so demanding, right? Especially on mom, but can be on dad too. I think the key is that short, small workouts when available is a really good strategy. I like having a home gym or something, like a suspension trainer or something,

where 10 minute bouts I could go and do two or three sets of an exercise, whenever available, versus I have an hour workout scheduled at these times, because inevitably something's, it's gonna get in the way. It's gonna be very, very difficult to do so. The other thing is, if you have a willing partner that you both schedule a couple workouts you do on your own and the other partner agrees, okay, your workouts are Tuesday and Thursday at this time,

minor Monday and Friday at this time, you watch the baby, I watch the baby and then you kind of make that happen. But, and then the third thing is acceptance, except the fact that, you know, whatever can go wrong, will go wrong, you're going to miss stuff and you got to be okay with that. That's a tough one for me because it can be really hard to do. I like the short workout hack. I mean, that's just one of those things where you leave you a lot of the pressure of that feeling of like, I didn't get a good workout in, you know, so where's the value?

And to kind of string that out a bit to where you take it now into chunks of like five to 15 minutes, like whatever you have available that day, you look at it as an everyday thing. Instead of like, I'm doing three days a week, I'm going with the gym for you, and I have these days in between where I'm kind of resting, where like no, this is just like,

if I have a moment, I'm just gonna find my way over to the equipment and I'm just gonna get some reps in and then yeah, everything else, you kind of have to kind of concede the fact that you're a lot of what you want to happen is like you just got to throw that out the door and just be cool with, you know, being flexible and riding it out. I mean, I think you guys' advice has spot on both. And Sal, really all the things that you suggested as possibilities actually all happened for me. Yeah. Right. And so I think that's another thing too, is like, it doesn't have to, it doesn't have to look

the same every week. Like there was times where Katrina and I actually, you know, bring, and we still do this, bring Max into the garage. And we're working out as like a family together. And like he's actually occupied kind of playing and doing his thing. Like you and we still do this, bring Max into the garage and we're working out as like a family together and like he's actually occupied kind of playing and doing this thing, like you can do that. They got a little pack and play, you can throw it, throw him in and do that we used to bring him down in the gym everyone.

So sometimes we got an actual full hour workout and we would kind of, you know, if he needed a diaper change, I would go handle it while she did a set and then if he was being, he wanted attention, she would go give him attention and we kind of would ping pong for an hour and a half to two hours in the gym that was sometimes sometimes a workout like that then there was other times when it was just get it where you can

and sometimes that man I got three sets of squats that was my workout for the day and be okay with that I think that and if and if you it's not forever either by the way right here's almost six months to a year tops by you by time they're a year and they're walking and they're playing, like it's a whole different ball. I always say that the first six months was like the twilight zone and then you're like, you kind of start to see the light, the tunnel eight months, nine months,

and then one year it's like, that was when it got really fun and I really, really enjoyed fatherhood was hitting the one year and beyond. So I think the thing you gotta be most careful with, and I think is the most important piece of advice. I know this is regarding working out, but the truth is that's not where you're gonna lose.

And what are you going? It's gonna be the nutrition, and the lack of sleep is going to make that really challenging, right? So what happens when you get poor sleep, it really ramps those cravings up, and you're also kind of sedentary, and you're not moving around.

And so it's real easy. You start to have the fucking attitude. Yes. You start to have the fucking attitude. You start to make bad food choices. And that's what will really backslide you. That's what's really going to make you fall out of shape is not only missing your workouts, but then also craving all these bad foods and indulging on this stuff. And then also not moving around. So being cognizant of that and knowing that, hey, I'm probably not exercising and moving as often as intensely. So I really need to rein in my habits and behaviors around nutrition and keep that tight.

That is going to take you a long way. Yeah, the diet is where I see the biggest. For sure. For myself especially, it's going to be the diet. Because the workout is a workout. That's 30 minutes or an hour. You eat all day long. I mean, breakfast, lunch, dinner, maybe snacks.

And that's when you're at home, and you're with the baby, and you're tired, and it's like, yeah, I'll have some cookies. Yeah, that's sort of some door to ask for. And wife is tired, you're tired, so maybe you're not, we're not cooking. You're not cooking and prepping your meals, so you're eating out, so you gotta make better choices.

But you know, here's some, I guess some words of encouragement. The amount of training that you need to do to keep, or at least maintain, muscle and strength is way less than whatever it took to gain. So, the whole like leading into it by training hard, it's kind of a strategy because whatever you build going into it, let's say I work out five days a week for an hour, five days a week.

And now I'm in this situation where I don't, I can't train here as much. Well, two days a week will probably keep everything that I gained or I'll lose very little, right, with just two days a week. So keep that in mind as well. However long that season is, which could be anywhere from six months to a year, you don't need to train a lot to kind of keep what you've built or at the very, at the least, you'll lose a little bit, not much. Trying to go away in the other room. The diet will be the most important thing

because where you would fall off big time and lose a lot is if you don't hit your protein intake, you're eating, you're intaking, you're over-consuming on calories, right? So you're over-consuming carbohydrates and fat, you under-consume on protein and your volume of training grossly reduce, then you could see a massive swing in what your physique will end up looking like as a new dad right now,

whereas if you just keep the diet and check, hit your protein intake, and then make an effort to touch some weights as frequently as you can throughout the week, but don't beat yourself up if you don't get those, like Justin's saying, those regimen hour routine three days a week, it doesn't gotta look like that. Just touch some weights and be good about the way you eat

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