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Starting point is 00:03:08 It's good to be science-based, but don't be science-bound. So I'm bringing this up because I belong to groups on Facebook, right? Different, like there's a neuroscience group I belong to, one for biology, one for nutrition. Anyway, someone posted a study connecting high sodium intake to poor health. Now, you look deeper into the study,

Starting point is 00:03:30 and what you see is that there's poor controls. And lots of studies have, when the controls aren't right, you see some biases that come in that influence the results of the study. So I'll explain this one with sodium, right? We've been told for years and years and years and decades that a lot of sodium is bad for you. Like we've known this for a long time, at least according to mainstream narrative. So what ends up happening is people who hear this, who are health conscious, consciously try to eat less sodium. So you start to develop a bias.

Starting point is 00:04:00 Then when you look at studies now, people eat a lot of sodium, oh, their health is worse. Why? Because they tend to be the people who are less health conscious. They tend to eat other foods, process foods, they tend to exercise less. They tend to do other things that are less healthy. So then we connect the sodium to that. If you look at well done studies, you find that sodium

Starting point is 00:04:19 is actually not connected to poor health in most cases. In fact, higher sodium intakes are better than too low of sodium intakes. And it goes like this for lots of different things. So that's why I want to kind of bring that. Isn't that very similar to what we found out about cholesterol too? Yeah. Same thing. Like they weren't controlling a lot of those other things that healthier people. Yeah. Well, a more common, a really good one that's classic was that we're the studies on coffee. Back in the day, back in the day, coffee studies were connected to cancer. So I was like, oh my God, coffee's bad for you,

Starting point is 00:04:47 but what they weren't controlling for was what a lot of coffee drinkers did back in the day, which was smoke cigarettes. So it's like, yeah, they got more cancer, but it wasn't the coffee. There's studies on supplements like this too, where they'll show people who take multivitamins are healthier, but it's hard to see if it's the multivitamin

Starting point is 00:05:04 or if it's the health bias. That people who take multivitamins also tend to exercise, tend to eat right and so on. And so if you think back to some of the messages that we've gotten throughout the decades around what's good and what's bad, many of them are wrong. For example, they told us Marjoram was better than butter. They told us to go fat-free milk. They said avoid egg yolks. So because of that messaging for so long,

Starting point is 00:05:28 people who are health conscious would do those things. They would avoid butter. They would avoid egg yolks. They would eat fat-free dairy. So then in the studies, you'd see, oh, if you avoid those things, you're healthier, but that's because the health conscious people were doing those things, they also did other things

Starting point is 00:05:43 that contributed to better health. I feel like there's a lot of factors with a lot of these studies that people don't realize that I think you, it would be helpful for you to kind of outline in terms of like how to read the study, how to look for certain characteristics of the study that makes it more valid than other studies, in terms of the controls and all that,

Starting point is 00:06:02 if you could explain that a little bit more. Yeah, well, there's observational, which are based off of surveys, which are notoriously bad when it comes to nutrition. I mean, when you guys are trainers, like when people would come in and tell you, that you rely on people to honestly report, which is we already know of that.

Starting point is 00:06:17 Even with the best intentions people have. Yeah, right. So there's that. So you want studies that are controlled, where there's a double blind meaning that the researcher and the subjects don't know who's getting the ingredient or the supplement or the drug or whatever. So nobody knows, there's no placebo going on, no bias is kind of going on. And then you want to see a large sample size.

Starting point is 00:06:43 So if there's like, let me put it this way, if there's four people in a study, I could very easily pick four people who are gonna respond in a particular way. And not, if I pick a thousand people, I'm more likely to get the larger the control the better off. The larger the longer the sample variables. And then who's in the sample?

Starting point is 00:06:59 You know, 30 college aged males. Well, is it gonna be different if we're checking, if we start to throw women in there, or people who are older or younger, like that that's another thing you wanna kind of pay attention to. And then look at other studies, has this been duplicated?

Starting point is 00:07:15 And then what I like to do on top of that is I also like to compare it to conventional wisdom. What have people been saying for hundreds of years? Where do we see similarities and practices that have existed for a long time or are their counters? And then you get a bigger kind of picture. Otherwise, you become, you get kind of science bound, meaning, you know, like, you're like, well, unless I see in a study, I don't believe it or the study said, therefore, it's 100% true. And we went into a lot of problems with this. We just recently saw a huge analysis of SSRI drugs,

Starting point is 00:07:48 and they just came out and said, serotonin, the serotonin model of depression is wrong. Yeah, yeah. Which is crazy. We've been prescribing these drugs for decades. Now, that's not to say that there isn't some effects and that people maybe not see some benefit. It may mean that we just don't know the mechanisms,

Starting point is 00:08:03 but it's not the serotonin is what this thing is saying. And how long we may prescribe these for? It's so funny to me, because I know on this show that I've been labeled as like the skeptical challenge sal every time he brings a study to the table, but this is the reason why. It's because we rarely ever can replicate it.

Starting point is 00:08:20 There's always so many other controls we control. And then no one's mentioned yet or talked about, which I'm super fascinated and the power of the mind. Yeah. I mean, you could literally take... No, see, but I'm placebo. That's right. You could take several of these studies

Starting point is 00:08:32 and take a group of people that think negatively of the outcome and say there's 50 people that are just worry wards and they think it's gonna be bad and their body's gonna affect negatively and then take 50 other people who have a very Positive outlook on life and think that oh, they're gonna be fine in a situation and I bet you would see a dramatic difference in the results of that It's not acknowledges a belief system It's crazy. So so it's so funny when people think that they kind of razz me about always being skeptical when we talk about studies

Starting point is 00:09:01 But that's the reason why there's also a cause and effect that sometimes we flip. So like, for example, you could read a study that says, people who use marijuana, I'll just use an example. People who use marijuana are more depressed and more anxious. So you could say the marijuana is causing the depression and anxiety, or you could say people who are depressed and anxious tend to reach out for things that make them feel better

Starting point is 00:09:27 so they're more likely to use marijuana. Or it's a combination of the two. So you wanna kind of look at things that way because it can be very misleading. Well, yeah, you could isolate certain parts too to make something sound good. You use the example I told you I was getting in an argument with one of my buddies about them potentially vaccinating their young daughter who has autoimmune issues and that just

Starting point is 00:09:49 recently came out about the immune. And then of course he fired a PubMed study at me saying that, oh, the risk is okay because you're better off taking it because of what it reduces potentially. And then your response to that was, we could take a study as shows that six smoking cigarettes reduces anxiety by 30%. So should you smoke cigarettes? Because you've isolated this one thing. Oh, one effect, yeah. Yeah, one positive effect from it,

Starting point is 00:10:13 because that's what you're trying to prove in this study, that hey, if you're a really anxious person, maybe cigarettes is actually a good choice for you. Because you're negating all the other potential effects and you're not throwing that in. So another example would be like, chemotherapy is anti-cancer. Now, the average person wouldn't just go take chemo because I don't want to get cancer, because we know that chemotherapy comes along with its own risks and issues, right?

Starting point is 00:10:38 So that's very true. So you can look at something that says, you know, causes weight loss. I'm like, oh, this is going to be good. This is going to be good. It's going to prove my health. Well, maybe it causes weight loss. Like, oh, this is gonna be good. It's gonna prove my health. Well, maybe it causes weight loss because maybe people lose muscle or their anxiety and stress goes up.

Starting point is 00:10:52 So they eat less, or they're depressed, so they eat less, or who knows, right? So you wanna look at these bigger pictures. And what you don't wanna do is negate common knowledge. This is where I see a lot of problems where people will read a study. But well, the study doesn't say that that's the case. You know what my favorite is?

Starting point is 00:11:06 I remember this a long time ago. It was when my son was my oldest, who's now 17, right? When he was little, I don't remember what happened. One of us had a cough or something like that, and I brought up to the doctor. I said, so his pediatrician was my client, and I brought up and I said, you know, when I was a kid, my mom would give me honey in tea

Starting point is 00:11:28 and it would help my cough. And oh, that's an old wives' tail. You know, that's not really, you know, there's no studies to show that that actually works. I'm like, really because they've been using honey for hundreds or maybe thousands of years for coughs. Yeah, you know, it's just a, you know, it's an old wives' tail. Well, literally that year a study comes know, it's an old lifestyle. Well, literally that year, a study comes out showing

Starting point is 00:11:47 there's a compound and honey that suppresses the cough reflex in the brain, and that may be why it helps with cough. So then I remember I brought a turn, she goes, Oh, yeah, I guess it works. But well, you got to wait for the study. They've been doing this for hundreds of years. You know, so there's got to be some, and so there's got to be some balance with this kind of stuff. And you got gotta consider all of these things before making your decisions,

Starting point is 00:12:07 and also realize that we don't know a lot. Like there's a lot that we don't know. So when I see, like my favorite ones are the, my favorite ones are poke holes under the dairy ones, the meat ones, like, oh, meat causes this. Well, God, for so long we've been hammered, that meat is bad for us, that a larger percentage of health conscious people

Starting point is 00:12:24 avoid red meat now. So how can you separate the two? By the way, red meat has been considered healthy and nutrient dense for thousands and thousands of years, almost every culture. So now all of a sudden it's bad for you. I don't know about that. So we need, yeah, like vegetable meat and insects.

Starting point is 00:12:40 Yeah, that's how we need to survive. It's so ironic to me, because that's such a luxury to even think this way because I was, I binge watched the latest alone season this weekend again. I'm like, I think I'm on the latest one is where I'm at. And I just, I can't help it. It's like the perfect example of like,

Starting point is 00:12:56 this is how we evolved. And you see the people struggling in this simplest four eating crickets and pulling up, I mean, onion bulbs and berry shrubs and stuff like that. Like the ones that don't get, don't kill the deer, that don't catch the fish, that don't get the Wolverine, that don't get these, they didn't get this meat.

Starting point is 00:13:13 They're fucked. They're always fucked. They never, they never get past the couple weeks. They're eating up calories. And like, it's like, how could you watch that show? I think like, this is how we got here. I mean, this is, we, now we're in this great place where you go to the grocery store

Starting point is 00:13:27 and even a fruit or vegetable or something is not in season or your state can't even grow it. You could still eat it. I remember getting a big debate. I had a client once who was like, do you grill your food? Like, yeah, sometimes.

Starting point is 00:13:41 Well, you know that grilling food creates a percentage from the flame. I'm like you know we grilled our food forever up until recently where we had all this technology We could cook it differently. So I don't know and then you sound vanilla or you know and also that doesn't necessarily mean It's it's bad not necessarily and so then we then I'd said well Let me ask you question. I said do you think it's better to have vegetables raw or cooked? It goes well raw because when you cook it, you destroy the nutrients. So yeah, you don't absorb them. You're returning a bunch of raw vegetables. I said, why don't you eat a rock?

Starting point is 00:14:10 There's hella minerals in the rock. You're not going to absorb those either. So we got to look at the whole picture. But it's a constant discussion. And it's interesting because supplement companies, people who sell books, politicians, you know, food companies, if they have an agenda, they could take something and use it in a way to- Which, by the way, I wish I remember the number.

Starting point is 00:14:34 I wanna say it's like 80 something percent, maybe Doug can fact check me on this, of studies that are put out there. There's a financial incentive for the company that's pushing that study out. Which of course, understandably, that's how studies have to get done because nobody's just throwing money at all these random studies,

Starting point is 00:14:51 so it's normally gotta be somebody who wants to prove a point. That means lots of other things aren't being studied. Like alternative medicine. Exactly. Who's gonna study things that you can't patent and sell? Or at least who's gonna fund that? Because what am I gonna get out of funding, out of funding this million dollar study? Okay, it turns out that, you know, goji berries are phenomenal for blood pressure or whatever.

Starting point is 00:15:11 Well, okay, now what, what am I gonna do? But where do I get my million dollars back? I'd rather take the compound out of goji berry, synthesize it, change it a little bit so I can patent it, and then I'll do that study, because now I have something to sell. Totally. That's all stuff you need to consider. So, you see the percentage on that done, I know it's high. Up to 75%, okay.

Starting point is 00:15:31 So I knew which studies are the worst. Psychology and behavior. Yeah, they can't ever replicate that. They're almost always there, they can't replicate that. Yeah, I think that's up above 80 or 90% can't be duplicated in stuff. But then again, that also highlights, when you're talking about psychology, right? Like human behavior and how individual all of us are.

Starting point is 00:15:52 In complex. Yeah, and exactly. I mean, the brain and the metabolism, too, which is why, too, I mean, I know that's metabolism is directly in our space. But that's why I'm so skeptical of so many studies because it's like studying the metabolism is kind of like studying our universe right now.

Starting point is 00:16:08 It's like arguing. I think we know more about the universe to be honest with you. Yeah, that's how, that's how many unknowns there are. So when you get people that start to like tout all these facts because a new pub med study is like stop it. Stop it.

Starting point is 00:16:19 Like we can't, we don't even know that much about it. I had, I actually saw it was in LA Friday, right? And I was on a couple podcasts, one of them's Macs, Lou Gavir, one of our friends, favorite people. And we were talking about the people who are like, it's all about calories and people like calories don't exist. And I'm like, you know, the thing about this whole calories versus calories out thing, like I get why

Starting point is 00:16:38 there's people say they doesn't exist and I get why there's people who are like, this is all that matters. I said, but the people that say it doesn't exist, it's because we don't realize that our calories out part are metabolism. It literally adjusts all day. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:51 It's always adjusting to try to find homeostasis or to keep us alive. So it's not like my body burns 2,000 calories a day. Even if I measured it today, it did. Yeah. Yeah. If I measured it today. It's my mathematical one plus one.

Starting point is 00:17:04 Exactly. Exactly. If I measured it today, mathematical one plus one. Exactly. Exactly. If I measured it right now with very sophisticated technology, that answer means that that's what I did now. Right. Tomorrow, I don't know, I could get in a bad mood or I could, you know, sleep differently, get different sunlight, take whatever, eat something to, and then that'll change. That number's gonna change.

Starting point is 00:17:19 And I think we, it's more dramatic than we realize. You take somebody that you all the most sophisticated stuff to measure and say that. And then that same exact person doesn't eat for an extended period of time. Something very stressful happens in their life. They didn't sleep, but maybe four to six hours at night. Boy, I bet that metabolism is running completely different.

Starting point is 00:17:39 One day. One day like that, no. Yeah, so it's just like this idea that we, when we get one of these studies that come out at that point. And I think think too that we have to be careful because I think you get labeled as like also more like anti science Like definitely not anti science because I think that's a it definitely should show like oh, there's something here for us to look into or pay Attention to how about this focus on what we know. Yeah, what do we know? If you do strength training properly, you'll build some muscle and you'll speed up your metabolism. Being active is better than not being active.

Starting point is 00:18:08 Don't overeat, right? Stick to whole natural foods. Treat people nicely. Like these are all things we know. Like when we just focus on that stuff, and then all these little pieces that we keep, trying to pull out to strengthen our bias or our political position where it's like,

Starting point is 00:18:23 come on, that's ridiculous. Yeah, the nuances are just talking points to kind of sway you into some kind of marketing funnel. I mean, for the most part in our space, you know, and they're masterful at finding those one or two pieces of study that help to support whatever method they use. Oh, another point too, and I was with Max, we were talking about MTOR, and he goes,

Starting point is 00:18:43 what do you think about people saying, you know, that eating too much protein stimulates mTOR, mTOR feeds cancer? I'm like, you know what else feeds cancer? Like all the food that you eat, if you had cancer. You got to look at context. It makes a big difference. You know, anyway, it's pretty funny. Did you so, okay, I got to tell you guys, so Geo comes in, right? So this is one of our editors. I didn't tell you guys, I want to tell you guys on the show. You want to hear what happened to him yesterday? How crazy this was. So he lives in the didn't tell you guys, I want to tell you guys on the show. You want to hear what happened to him yesterday? How crazy this was? Right.

Starting point is 00:19:06 So he lives in the mission district of San Francisco, right? So last night in front of his house, he said there was like a block party or something. And they were just rowdy on a Sunday. Yeah, random. He said they were rowdy. They were doing donuts in front, like just crazy. And he's like, he was in his house, couldn't sleep,

Starting point is 00:19:23 loud as hell. And he was contemplating going outside to tell him to shut up right now geo Great guys super nice guys also a thing is a brown belt brazil you get to pretty tough guy or whatever so but then he's like I'm glad I didn't I'm like what happened he goes another rival Group or something drives through and just start spraying bullets Throughout the neighborhood bullets went through his house. What yeah, Bullets went through his house. What? Yeah, dude. Bullets went through his house. He was showing me pictures.

Starting point is 00:19:48 And he's got San Francisco. San Francisco. Bro, is it that crazy there that like that could happen on a Sunday night? Cops not get called and show up to. Bro, he was showing me all the, the, what is it? The bullet shells or whatever?

Starting point is 00:20:00 There's like hundreds of rounds. He's like literally machine guns. There was a party there and some rival, this is what the police said. Some rival group drives through and he just, and he just, and it's going through his walls, dude. Could you imagine that?

Starting point is 00:20:12 What, dude, I'm out of there. Hey, could you imagine, like, I'm gonna go out there and say something. Like, thank God you go out there, bro. Right. You ain't gonna throw an arm bar on the bullets. They're gonna, wow. That happened to him last night?

Starting point is 00:20:22 Last night, what a Sunday night. So he walks in, he's like, oh, rough night. And I'm thinking, oh, what happened, man, you go out like, you know. So he walks in. He's like, oh, rough night And I'm thinking, oh, what happened man? You go out like you know, lay it whatever is like, oh dude, you know, it's flying through Why were you live dude? You're an Afghanistan. It's gang or right outside my door right outside you and he showed me pictures He's got bullet holes through his wall. Wow. Yeah, we'll put him up on the video here What's he is is San Francisco still bleeding people? Do we know? Yeah, are they?

Starting point is 00:20:46 Yeah, I read an article that showed that of the big cities it was faired one of the worst. So a lot of the big cities did really bad during the pandemic. Of course. But San Francisco did really, apparently really bad and people are upset about the business climate there, which it's always been a complaint, but I guess you got real bad and the crime. The crime. Remember how we know we've been talking about the crime. We can have a new, some tax successful businesses. So we're fine.

Starting point is 00:21:09 Yeah, we're good. Dude, retailers leaving San Francisco because they don't persecute shop lifters. And then prosecute. Yeah, they don't prosecute. So I'm not prosecute. I'm sorry, prostitute. And not a prostitute. We're all on the same page. I'm sorry prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prostitute prost out on all kinds of cities like this. What was that? Did you not read that? Starbuck's leaving a bunch of cities. I think San Francisco is up there with the board.

Starting point is 00:21:48 Yeah, they were actually, wasn't it the CEO that came out in cities, who pulled them out of like certain cities that were run by, you know, mayors that allowed a lot of this to take for. Yeah. Seattle, Los Angeles, Portland, Oregon, Philadelphia, and Washington. Oh, San Francisco is not on there. I don't see it. Now, why was he pulling out?

Starting point is 00:22:08 It was because they were because of the crime. Because of crime. Yeah, well, they weren't enforcing law and order. Okay, so I mean, in order to secure like a free society, you have to have very, very good law and order because that's what security decides. You get to have a white guy to the guy with the biggest guns runs a show. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:22:28 And if you don't have good, good crime control, you're screwed. Yeah. No business, there's no, you can't have good education, can't do anything. Well, you saw what happened with the Chas chop up there. Oh, yeah. That was pretty crazy.

Starting point is 00:22:38 I wonder if that, is it still like, No, it got shut all down. Okay, so that all just imploded. Yeah. And I think there's a big joke about it, right? Like all the businesses that were in that area left and like it just totally decimated that area. Oh man, this is a stupid idea.

Starting point is 00:22:52 Because I love Seattle. Like I went up there, I remember like after all was said and they were just so happy to have anybody there like shopping and going in their businesses. It's like the business owners were just, you know, suffering through this whole thing. Yeah, they, they, when you look historically at areas where stuff like this has happened, it takes decades for them and

Starting point is 00:23:12 sometimes they don't recover. Yeah. Because once businesses leave, there's no investment in there and everything else just starts to go to crap. Well, so you brought up the geo story that sounds like it's something out of a movie. I saw something that reminded me something out of the movie seven. Remember the, I can't remember which part of the movie was a stir boss. That was so, that was so, that was so, that was so, that was so, that was so, that was

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Starting point is 00:23:53 I don't know. Maybe it was like, she was paying. Pull up, pull it up, Doug. Two year, two year, I mean, I'm sure you go, woman's dead, two years UK, paying rent. It must have been the same. Nobody came and checked up on her. Yeah, two year, they had to send a dental to be able to figure out who she was.

Starting point is 00:24:08 Wow. Oh, yes. She was all. Two years. Yeah, rotting for two years. Remember in seven where he had it for the neighbor. I gotta say something about that. They got to fix their apartment.

Starting point is 00:24:19 Something smells in there. Do you remember the member in seven where he had all the air freshers and stuff like that? They were thinking, Well, that's so sad. Like had no friends and for two years. Yeah, you do not know if I was depressing. Yeah, the landlord actually cut off gas and kept taking rent. She lay dead in the house for two years.

Starting point is 00:24:37 I bet he feels like an idiot now. He's not well she never canceled. I don't know. It's on her. She's not going gonna need the money. It must have been an auto pay, right? It must have been some sort of an auto pay. Wow.

Starting point is 00:24:49 Yeah, I don't see that. I almost sounds like he knew he was dead. I don't know. Well, that's why, that's why. You ever hear the stories of people who collect, they'll collect like social security or disability payments on their elderly parent or someone they take care of, they'll die

Starting point is 00:25:05 and they'll just hide the body so they can keep collecting. Right, have you heard of these? I've heard about that. That is massive. I'll tell you what, if I disappear for longer than three hours, my mom would know. That's just a silly mom right there. Hey, what are you doing right now?

Starting point is 00:25:17 Hey, you better answer me. If you don't answer me in five minutes, I'm like, said, you're okay. I'm working, mom, Jesus Christ. What do you want me to do? Did that crazy, Doug? That is crazy. Right?

Starting point is 00:25:26 That's insane. Like how that could even happen, both on the neighbors, like you bring up to, on so like family, how are no family members knowing? And then three, the guy who's collecting rent, like never once thought to like check out. Well, he cut off for gas. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:39 Why would you cut off somebody's gas if you thought they need it? He never went by the apartment. He's like, he's very selfish. He's like, what a fre He said, he said, he said, he's a good, a free loader. I cut her gas off and she's still not even saying anything. Whatever. Yeah, dude, I call bullshit on that guy.

Starting point is 00:25:53 Dang, I wonder what that look like when you walk in. What does a body look like two years in a party? Yeah, you need a dentist to be able to tell you who she is. Oh, I mean, that means everything's probably decayed and it's just nothing. Give me a whole hazmat suit. And everything. Do they have a picture of her?

Starting point is 00:26:07 No, I'm just giving up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Like he said, like, he's saying like words just out of nowhere, popping them up like crazy. Like we were looking at something in a book and he's like, wow, I'm like, did you just say wow? And then right now, Jessica said to me a video, we said, whale. Like he knows what that is. He's like saying words out of nowhere.

Starting point is 00:26:37 And it's fun to watch. It makes me not want to leave. Because when I leave, I come back and he says new stuff and I'm like, no, I'm still a whole new, so I can't really. What are you guys at right now? How far? He's 20,

Starting point is 00:26:47 I think he'll be 21 months soon. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I felt like, I felt like once you hit that one year mark, I really do. And of course, every kid's a little bit different. Like some kids walk a little sooner

Starting point is 00:26:57 or progress a little bit faster, but it's like spurts. It's not like, remember that documentary that we all watched on Netflix? I was, that was a really fascinating documentary to watch where they talked about how the child development and that's actually what happens, right? They have these crazy spurts over,

Starting point is 00:27:12 also they grow two, three inches in a night or whatever. I feel like the learning process is the same way too. Max is the same thing. Also, he'll put together two or three words and I didn't even know he could say those words or knew what that meant. It's so great. It's so fun to watch, dude.

Starting point is 00:27:26 Yeah. And we're doing this. Obviously he's got a baby sister coming soon, right? So we've been really good about, and I did this with my older son. I involved him a lot, and he was never jealous of his sister because he was always a part of the whole process. Like he would hand me the diaper when I was time to change your diaper. He would help me dress or he would watch her.

Starting point is 00:27:42 And so, you know, we never got that jealousy. So we're doing, we're already prepping a rail yes, and we got them little stuffed animals And I say it's the baby and this is how you take care of baby and you got him a stroller so push them So now he's like all I'm doing like he's got we bought a newborn diapers. I forgot small there by the way We're looking at me. They're like oh my god. I forgot how small newborns are but anyway He wants them he wants the diapers to put on his little stuff He's putting a newborn diaper on us so I can't wait to see I think that is I think that is such a parent hack So we're you know, we're obviously a little bit ahead of you right now right right you were at three years

Starting point is 00:28:14 And this was something that even what we were doing it regardless if we were gonna have a second one come along or not That the idea was just to and you'll they'll tell you like child development to involve them as much as possible, right? So Max helps Katrina Cook, he helps me do yard stuff, he helps me wash cars, he does like, and it's so cool to see that training early on when they're kind of getting into it, to where now it's such a hack, so he was like, he spent the night at his aunt and uncles,

Starting point is 00:28:42 he didn't sleep at all, they pulled like an all night or with them, they had a blast with them He didn't, he didn't sleep at all. They pulled like an all nighter with them. They had a blast with them. Of course, we get him the next day. Yeah. Yeah. Tired and cranky and stuff like that. And he was being a little cranky about something like that.

Starting point is 00:28:52 I said, Hey, you want to go outside and help daddy? I go pick up poop. Yeah. Yeah. You're like just excited. And for the next half hour, he's, I got the plastic bag and he's been in over and he's picking it up. And like he just, he totally wants to be an adult

Starting point is 00:29:05 and a part of adult things. That they also feel like they get to contribute to the family. Oh, you can see it. And you can see it now from the, you know, the last year of trying to implement that and a lot of things that Katrina and I would do, it's starting to pay us forward because it's like,

Starting point is 00:29:20 oh wow, here's this little cranky kid that was getting all fussy about the toy he was playing with. And initially I pulled him out of that and said, okay, let's go work. And the fact is, he's like, oh wow, here's this little cranky kid that was getting all fussy about the toy he was playing with. And initially I pulled him out of that, I said, okay, let's go work. And the fact is, he's like, yeah! And I'm like, oh wow, this is a great hack. I said, no Jessica's with that's particular, she's so good. And we had this conversation because,

Starting point is 00:29:36 like a while ago where, you know, I'm doing a chore, like let's say washing the dishes, and I'm trying to get him out of the way, so I could do it real fast so I could go play with him. And's like have him help you. She's like that is play. So I'm like oh my god wouldn't idiot. It's a hundred percent right. Like why am I hurrying up to do this thing so I could go play blocks with him. Yeah. When all I got to do is make this part of the play takes longer but what's the difference? So I'll hand him a fork, put it over here for me buddy and then he helps out and it's like and they get to contribute you know? So it's all about how you present it.

Starting point is 00:30:06 I had to learn that especially with my kids. It's like, you know, like telling them, I could really use your help you guys with this. Like that goes way further with them, then just be like, do this. Do this, I need you to do that. You know, like, it's all like inclusive and then they feel like they're contributing.

Starting point is 00:30:22 So like, I have to like constantly remind myself, like the presentation is everything and the response is exactly how what I'm gonna get, you know, based on my presentation. So funny to have a story that you just reminded me of that just happened to this glass weekend. So we all know that I've brought up the dishwasher thing with the solvow around.

Starting point is 00:30:41 It's been like a big joke. Most valuable thing you've ever said. Yeah. Everybody. All the stuff you've ever said. Yeah. Everybody. All the stuff you said. We wrote that one down. That's the one you get the most famous in this city. It's 100% right?

Starting point is 00:30:51 That's your thing to say to the man. That's your thing to say to the advice right there. It's the disfusion stuff. So what I don't think I've ever shared on the show in regards to that too, is just that like Katrina doesn't give a shit about that stuff. And it's been like, I always know if she did the dishes in the daytime because I'll open it up and sure shit,

Starting point is 00:31:08 they're all mixed together. I almost like, and then I'll know I'm gonna go and fix them whatever. So the last like three times that I've been doing dishes, I've actually noticed when I opened a dishwasher, they're all organized. So I said something to her today, or this weekend, I said, hey, I just wanna let you know that,

Starting point is 00:31:22 I noticed that you're making an effort with the silverware to organize it, I appreciate that. I do, and I noticed that you're making an effort with the silverware to organize it. I appreciate that. I do. And she goes, it's not me. It's Max. I was like, oh, fuck. You're right.

Starting point is 00:31:32 I thought she was like, oh, like she's really trying to help me out here. And so like that, she's like, no, Max just puts it all organized like that. You're going to be outnumbered, lady. You'll be over the day. He'll be telling her. I'll take it. You're gonna be outnumbered, lady. Yeah, no. You'll be over the name once again, until he'll be telling her. I'll take it. You'll say whatever, I'll take it.

Starting point is 00:31:50 Hey, talking about life lessons, I gotta tell you this funny realization ahead. I was on Facebook and I think it was Facebook and I belong to these like martial arts pages and they'll have like martial arts. How in groups are you part of? You have like a mold culture, you know, like a scientific group. This is it's a hack I'm telling you right now. I don't have to search for anything. They do it for me. Booker sculpture group. Yeah, no

Starting point is 00:32:12 Not that okay, that's weird. Yeah, where'd that come from? I don't know. Anyway, so I'm going through trying to remember and I There's this page. I belong to martial arts and they'll show like you know versus fights like you know boxing versus this That versus whatever right? So there know, boxing versus this, that versus whatever, right? So there was this video of this Ikeeto master against this submission wrestler. And I know already know what's gonna happen. The submission rest is gonna kick his ass. Anyway, I watched it and it was like super fast, beat his ass or whatever. And then there's a debate underneath.

Starting point is 00:32:38 And it made me realize, like, the reason why this Ikeeto guy got his ass kicked is because modern Ikeeto, they never train full contact. Really, That's all it is. They just don't train hard full contact And then it made me realize like this is like business It's all natural cool. Well, it's like how many people learn business stuff in school and textbook Yeah, but they they go out in the real world and the entrepreneur that went out and did it It's like getting the street fighter versus the guy that, you know, that bunch of blocks of hits and it's heavy bag. We never actually gets in a fight, right?

Starting point is 00:33:10 Like you gotta go out and do it because the full contact part is where you learn the most. And you know, that's why boxers are such a factor. That's why the Mike Tyson quote is so famous and so epic. Everybody has a plan to get punched in the face. So it's like business is like, you talk to somebody who's got this education in business

Starting point is 00:33:24 and they'll tell you like, well, you know, the business cycle and this one that's like, how many businesses have you own? in the face. So it's like business is like, you talk to somebody who's got this education in business and they'll tell you like, well, you know, the business cycle and this one has like, how many businesses have you own? Oh, zero. Yeah. It's like how many fights have you been in? You wait too much emphasis on the business plan and like, get just hung up on that.

Starting point is 00:33:35 What are your business plans? What are your key points? Like that's what you get basically like that. You get all this like, and then it detours a lot of people from making the next steps necessary and they're so afraid of failure that they're not even going to invest themselves fully into it. Well, again, to bring it back, it'd be like saying, you know, I want to be a, I want to be a good fighter, but I don't want to go out and get a fight.

Starting point is 00:33:56 So what if I get hit in the face? Yeah. I hate to break this to you. You're going to have to get your ass kicked a bunch before you become a good fighter. Just like with business, you're going to have to go out and fail. That's like part of the fighter. Just like with business, you're gonna have to go out and fail. That's like part of the process. You're gonna go out and succeed right out the gate. So, it doesn't work that way.

Starting point is 00:34:09 Well, that's why I love about the whole McDow-Jow page where it kind of exposes a lot of the old, like legendary lore and mysticism behind a lot of these like martial arts. I got so many stories because when I did Jiu-Jitsu was, God, it's been, it's got to, it's almost 20 years now that I haven't done Brazilian Jitsu. So back then Jiu Jitsu was a little bit less known or whatever and we would everyone was like, Oh, I'd say it was a lot less known. It's got really popular than I've ever told.

Starting point is 00:34:35 Even then, no more people knew, but you're right. It's now, it's like everywhere. But anyway, I remember people would come in from other styles that were they never trained like full contact and they would say some of the stuff. So I remember one time this guy comes in and he did, I don't remember what it was, it was Kung Fu or something like that.

Starting point is 00:34:50 And again, never fights, never really a full contact. And he challenges the instructor and he says, you know, he goes, I want you to go against me. And then I'll try and do moves on you that I've learned that are lethal, but I won't make them lethal. And I remember I can see the instructor.

Starting point is 00:35:04 Okay, buddy. So anyway, the five finger death I remember I can see the instructor. Okay, buddy. So anyway, the five finger death touch. So anyway, the instructor's like, he's like, all right, so the instructor, what are you doing? He takes him down, chokes him out, right? Now while he's choking him out, he feels this like kung fu guy, whatever,

Starting point is 00:35:16 tapping on his head with his fingers like this. So then when he lets go, and the guy taps out, he goes, yeah, I could have totally ripped your eyeball out. And he goes, what? He goes, yeah, I was tapping on your head to let you know that I could have Plectra eyeball out and he goes if you if you poked my eyeball out while I was choking you ought to choke you till you died He might lose an eye your dad bro But it was funny because then he says all right, let's go again this time go ahead and poke my eyeball Choked him out again

Starting point is 00:35:50 Yeah, dude Ribbed your eyeball so shenanigans that anyway, so did you guys hear about you know how they're talking about the recession might happen Well, it's not gonna happen Wait, we're in a recession. How are we spinning this? No, recessions not happening. Oh good. They changed the definition of recession. Is that true? Yeah, do.

Starting point is 00:36:10 No worries. No worries. They're not changed. Let me read to you. Just all undercover too. Dude, this is so funny. Well, first of all, okay, wait, so first of all, you tell the audience, the true definition of a recession

Starting point is 00:36:19 is two quarters back to back. Okay. In other words, six months in a row of negative GDP. It's always been that. Yeah. That's been the definition forever. Yeah, okay.

Starting point is 00:36:30 This was on WhiteHouse.gov's official White House website. It says, while some maintain that two consecutive quarters of falling real GDP constitutes a recession, that is neither the official definition nor the way economists evaluate the state of the business cycle. Really? It is unlikely that the decline in GDP in the first quarter of this year, even if followed

Starting point is 00:36:52 by another GDP decline in the second quarter, indicates a recession. This is under what is a recession and White House. So now they can come out and say, now we're not in recession because we change the definition. Well, so now I know. Okay. So when is changing the definition, uh, equate lives? Well, that's just like how do we, yeah, so here's what, here's what some economists are saying, though, about that. And I'm going to play the other side just so people understand like where that's coming from is we had it, we had a, uh, two month negative GDP at the beginning of the pandemic. Yeah. And then we came out of that and we had this crazy surge.

Starting point is 00:37:27 And when they do the numbers of growth on GDP, it's compared to prior year. So we had, we went from two months or two quarters of negative GDP, then we go into the sky rocketing, crazy growth in the GDP. And now we're back to this year and now we see in Q1, Q2, we see negative GDP in comparison to previous year, which saw abnormal growth because of the pandemic. So the argument that they're trying to make or what some economists are trying to say is that when you look at the total average, let's say we look at a five year running average, we're fine. We're right on pace. We're still GDP is still overall growing. It's just that

Starting point is 00:38:04 you would you would expect that after a say, because I don't remember what the exact number is, but I want to say it's somewhere around 4% growth in GDP that we had of that rebound when everything got inflated like crazy over the last year and a half. Now we're coming back down to earth and coming down to back to earth

Starting point is 00:38:19 when comparing to previous year looks like negative GDP, but it's not. Yeah, but that's, so here's why that's ridiculous. First off, it's still a recession because recession means we're going backwards. So regardless how fast we went forward, we're still going backwards. And also, if anything that indicates a bigger problem,

Starting point is 00:38:35 so to put I think, right. So to put it in to put, like, giving an analogy, it would be like somebody coming to you and be like, hey, look, I just gained 20 pounds in the last week. But I'm still down 15 pounds because I lost 35 pounds last month. You as a trainer, be like, hold on a second. Yeah, we're heading the wrong direction. You might still be down 15 based on what the hell is going on.

Starting point is 00:38:55 You gained 20 in the last week. No, that's a great analogy, Saul, because in the grand scheme of things, we're okay, you're not bad, but there's some serious signs that were heading in the wrong direction. And if we continue down this path, I think it gets worse. If anything, it shows that that fast explosive growth was there was some skewed signals and some shit that was going on. I think the thing that I'm watching

Starting point is 00:39:15 in regards to all this conversation that's, that's, and I brought it up on the show logo. I was under the impression that it was a thousand dollars. I was wrong. It was like $700, something dollars is the new average of a car payment, which is the highest it's ever been. It's never been that high before. And the amount of debt that's being carried on cars

Starting point is 00:39:32 right now is crazy. And I didn't know this, but there was little to no regulation around the loans that were being given out for a lot of these cars. So we had this huge explosion because of the chips that weren't getting over at this high explosion of demand for vehicles, which drove the prices dramatically up, so I sent you over the car on the calendar.

Starting point is 00:39:54 It was like $40,000 increase on a vehicle. Crazy. Yeah, it's insane how high people were paying over MSRP and that the banks were actually approving these loans. So we are actually about to see something very similar that we saw on the housing market happen in the car market. So you have a bunch of people right now driving around cars they bought last year at a 20 to 30% over MSRP that now have loans that are on a car that is not worth 30, 40, 50

Starting point is 00:40:24 grand. Okay, so to put this in perspective, you know, 30, 40, 50 grand. The prices are paying for the loan. Okay, so to put this in perspective, you buy a brand new car off the lot, it automatically loses value anyway. But now you can add an additional 20% to that. And so you have a situation where people are gonna look at their loans, they're like,

Starting point is 00:40:35 why don't I just dump this car and not pay back this loan because I could get another one for. That's right. Now, here's a deal. And car loans are market-based, and the reason why they give out a loan, is they can always repo the car. Here's the, and's a deal. And car loans are market-based, and the reason why they give out a loan, is they can always repel the car. And that's okay, that's how market's correct.

Starting point is 00:40:50 Here's the problem. If this becomes a big enough issue, it can become politically expedient to come out and be a politician, say, hey everybody, losing your cars. That's why we need to help everybody out. So now we're gonna have, we're gonna bail out the car industry so that you guys can all talk a car. How weird is it going to be when we see that again?

Starting point is 00:41:08 How weird is that going to be? That's going to make the car price exploding more. Yeah. The car cars are getting more expensive. What is the consensus on the bail out of the houses? Like is it, is, are we divided on whether we believe that was a necessary evil or that we should or should not have done it? Or is it, is it pretty clear that that was a bad idea? I think that it's clear that it was a bad idea, but if you ask the average person, then you're going to get some division, right? But if you look at what happened, it exploded the cost of assets even more. And all it did is it pumped it up, pumped it up even more, and now it's creating maybe potentially a larger problem. It also created a larger divide,

Starting point is 00:41:48 because you have more of the halves versus the have-nots. Now, had they allowed the market to correct it? Would have been some pain for sure, but then what would happen is you would have a much more accurate market. So. Which is what always happens when we flood a bunch of money into the market anyway. I mean, I try to explain this to somebody that I'm about, and I told you guys before off air, like the analogy I use is like a monopoly board. And if you have somebody that halves

Starting point is 00:42:09 or the people that own boardwalk and whatever the green pieces and the red pieces and they've all got hotels and houses on it and then the middle class has some properties but they don't have any, no houses on it yet. And then the poor have got no properties or maybe one property like Mediterranean and they don't have no houses on it yet. And then the poor have got no properties, or maybe one property like a trainian, and they don't even have both of them,

Starting point is 00:42:28 they can't build any houses on it. And they run out of money, and you go, hey, we're trying to help you out. We're gonna give you, here's 10,000, so you can keep playing the game. Well, what is it happening? They still end up going around. And the market never correct.

Starting point is 00:42:40 And that's exactly how it is happening in real life, right now, the rich have all the assets, the rich have all the companies. They have all the stocking companies. They have all those means. And so it's all they're doing is delaying the process of them being more rich. Right, well not only that, but they don't have any incentive to changing the prices

Starting point is 00:43:00 or business because if you, okay, so politicians got very involved in the housing market because it became this message that was everybody deserves On a house. This is the American dream and then they got in and said hey if you don't give loans to these people It's because they're under privilege or because of this or because of that so we need to guarantee loans So it's like if I gave you a $100,000 go to Vegas and I said, you know, Justin here's a hundred grand to go to Vegas By the way if you lose every penny of it, I'll give it back to you.

Starting point is 00:43:27 What are you gonna do? You're gonna gamble every last cent. So there was an incentive for banks to do this knowing that they were guaranteed. And they're really, and the market pressures for giving out good or bad loans, they were all skewed, right? The same thing happened with education.

Starting point is 00:43:41 Everybody deserves a higher education. So the loans became crazier and crazier, what happened, the price went through the roof, and none of these universities. So they're saying that this is the same gangster thing that's happening with the cars, is that these banks and these car companies are doing it knowing that the worst case scenario,

Starting point is 00:43:57 they'll just repo this shit and take it back. So they let these people get in these loans, get these cars, they put their, so they're a window matter what, either they're gonna get somebody who's gonna pay 20, 30% over MSRP and they actually pay it down and then they really win, they really win on that loan or they default after having it for six or seven months

Starting point is 00:44:11 because now they don't have a job or we're now we're in a recession and they go repot and they get it back. They go flip it and sell it again. It's crazy. Yeah, but then you're gonna get a huge enough amount of people losing their cars for it to become like I said, politically expedient.

Starting point is 00:44:25 Oh my God, you're all losing your cars, so then I step up like a politician, I go, hey everybody, I'm gonna make sure you guys get to keep your cars when you come out of this new government program that's gonna guarantee that you keep your cars. And what they'll do is they'll make a deal with the auto companies and they'll say, our tax dollars will print some money

Starting point is 00:44:40 and we'll pay some of their loan. If you give them a lower rate, that's the deal that will work out. Car companies make a lot of money. We inflate the money supply even more, and we create more problems with it. I feel like I'm the only one stressing out about all this stuff, dude.

Starting point is 00:44:53 It gives me heartburn. I'm like, God has been off, dude. The last like few weeks, I swear. So what's going on? Brutal. I think it's just because of vacation, let my hair down, like incorporating some of these foods that normally I wouldn't eat and drink and look sensibly. I've just been,

Starting point is 00:45:12 like, I've tried to clean it all up the last week or so. I've been really trying to dial it in. And it's like, man, it's such a process. Once you let it get to a certain point, it's just, it's so inflamed, so easy. So any little bit of anything, like I had like one cookie, it's like, you got it back up. Yeah, it's awful. So I mean, I'm dialed it back down, so I'm just like, you know, meat veggies,

Starting point is 00:45:35 like I'm like, in fasting some of the time too, but like I've been trying to like, even increase the bit of vegetables I'm getting as well. And so I'm like, also like, doing some green juice in there as well, just to kind of like, because we talked to a Dr. Terry Walls. I remember talking to her about that, how much volume of vegetables you really should be

Starting point is 00:45:57 in taking every day. It's pretty substantial. That conversation we had with her years ago, it was that changed me. That was when I started to do, like I remember when we first met Sal and he was like the first person I'd ever seen that would eat like a giant bowl of steamed vegetables. Yeah, I can't do that, dude. I never had done that before. I do that now. I literally after, after meeting Sal, seeing that and kind of like kind of mocking him a little bit over and laughing like, but he looks so good.

Starting point is 00:46:25 That's what it was. No, then I remember us interviewing Dr. Terry Wallace, and I remember her talking to just about how much we under consume vegetables. And then I also too, before Sal, I still was still stuck in the old way as an old trainer of the butters and oils thing. Like, if I had vegetables, my thought was, I needed a steam on the nutters. It's making as gross as possible.

Starting point is 00:46:48 Yeah, I mean, it was like, well, that defeats the purpose to put butter and oil, butter and oil is bad for you while I do that. So even though I knew better, I still was stuck in those old ways of cooking. And I mean, I guess seeing you eat that way really gave me that like, oh, I could throw some bacon in there

Starting point is 00:47:01 or I can have some butter on there or oil on there. And now I actually really enjoy it. Now, how does the green juice affect your digestion? Oh, it helps. Yeah, it helps. So what do you do, like, one, like two servings or something today? Yeah, the two servings.

Starting point is 00:47:13 We'll do one in the morning and one, you know, later on in the day, even after my meals. So I'm just like kind of making sure I'm getting enough volume. But another thing, Courtney's been creating her own vegetable garden outside, which has been fun to see that all kind of transpire. And what I realized was she actually used like really high quality soil in that. And I didn't realize that would make that much of a difference, but I had one of the carrots.

Starting point is 00:47:41 So we have these carrots that are growing that are like white or purple and orange and different ones. And I had one that was like, I bid into it and it was like such a strong carrot flavor. It was like, it's hard to describe, but it was almost like spicy. It was like, oh, it was almost kind of like a ginger kind of a aftertaste.

Starting point is 00:48:01 It was like, was it orange? Is this how they're supposed to taste? You know, like, it was pretty easy. It was white, but even the orange ones, they all had kind of that similar, like, really strong, and I'm pretty convinced that it has to do the soil. You know where you see a big difference with that? Just if you ever, anybody watching this, if you want to ever see what a big difference it makes and what your food is fed or how it's grown. Get yourself some real pasteurized eggs

Starting point is 00:48:27 and then compare them to normal conventional. Yeah, the color is great. The first one orange is insane. First of all, the color is weird. The conventional ones are pale. The pasteur ones are like this rich kind of oranges, you know, yoke. And then the shell.

Starting point is 00:48:41 You get the conventional, the shell, the crumbles in your hands, like it's paper. The shell and the pasteur runs is hard. So that's paper, the shell and the pasture runs is hard. So that's the big ass difference. We're gonna bring chickens back. You know what other vegetables like that is tomatoes. I remember getting my mom's husband has his own organic garden that he grows and he has these tomatoes.

Starting point is 00:49:03 And they kept telling me, oh, you gotta have these tomatoes. I'm like, I'm not a big tomato guy. Like, I'm not a huge, like, I got something in my salad or stuff, but it's kind of like mush for me. Yeah, it's kind of whatever. I'm not a big, they were so rich and tasted so, we could drink it and I would eat them up for dinner by themselves.

Starting point is 00:49:19 Slice them up, little balsamic over the top of them and eat it like a meal. It was, they were so good. You know, I got to bring you guys some tomatoes for my dad, so my dad grew up, my dad obviously grows a lot of stuff. And he grows a lot of tomatoes, green beans, what else eggplant. I got to take you some of the stuff that he grows in.

Starting point is 00:49:36 I could tell a huge difference between his and the ones we get at the store. Yeah. And it's got to be the soil. So now I see why like she's so defensive of all because like you know between Squirrels eating all our fruit and you know gofers and like dude it's it's like this weird like like system of Threats that it's just a constant, you know, it's like either like the ants are coming in or it's like you know

Starting point is 00:50:01 The gofers are like you know some birds it's like, you know, the Gofers or like, you know, some birds or like deer. You know, we're fighting like mother nature out there always just to try and like reap the bounty. That's why I go to the store and buy it. Yeah. That's a lot easier. Maybe I'll buy sure of Courtney. Speaking of threats, did you guys see the video

Starting point is 00:50:19 of the chess robot playing the seven year old chess, like there was this like Russian chess champion, one of the best in the world, under nine. Did you see what happened? No, no, oh, fuck that bro. So the chess robot takes a piece and makes a move, right? And the kid will make a move. Well, I guess the robot made a move, the kid made a move,

Starting point is 00:50:39 didn't move his hand fast enough. The robot grabbed his hand, thinking it was a piece, broke his finger. Oh, what? The robot uprising is started. Oh, nice. I swear, he's being drinking human beings. That really happened.

Starting point is 00:50:53 Shut that robot down. The robot little kids finger, dude. Fucking robot, it's just robot, dude. Melt that robot. Oh my God, I'm slow as that kid had to beat it. I see that coming. I mean, it brought health, right? I mean, you're making a move.

Starting point is 00:51:04 You're still thinking about it. And the robot's coming. Oh,, it could help, right? I mean, you're making a move. You're still thinking about the robot's coming. Oh, no. Do you imagine if you saw that, a robot grabbed your kid and whatever? Oh, my God. I'm gonna axe out. I wonder if that's what I mentioned. I bet you made this robot.

Starting point is 00:51:14 I bet you that's what happened, Justin, is that, and I bet you they had in program that in, is you know, in chess, where as soon as you take your hand off, that's a move, right? So you probably move. His hand was still in the piece, and maybe they didn't write that in the code like. But it matters.

Starting point is 00:51:29 First of all, also like imagine the environment of the whole tournament, right? It's like under nine champion kids, parents all watching everybody's, they're playing these really smart machines and a fucking robot breaks a little kids figure. Kids screaming. Yeah, because I won't let go. Oh my God. Dude, that's crazy. It changes the whole thing. So that's the robot. And there's the kid running on top.

Starting point is 00:51:51 Oh, look, they couldn't get it out. Oh, wow. Oh, dude, and they're like trying to pry it. Oh my God. Oh, a little kid, poor kid. Just like traumatized, dude. He'll never play chess again. Look at that poor kid.

Starting point is 00:52:03 Oh my God. You know what though? You know this is the beginning. He's the destroy of that robot. I just thought of like a crazy sci-fi plot right now. Okay, okay. Probably thought of it. In the future.

Starting point is 00:52:14 First of all, first of all, let me paint the story. Adam, you're gonna love this too. Okay. He's a chess champion, a 70s old, obviously highly intelligent kid, right? In the future, when the robot uprising happens, this kid is gonna gonna lead the rebellion and they're gonna go back and be like when you know When did the salt start for you? I broke my finger and that was it a dedicated my life forever to destroy all robots

Starting point is 00:52:36 Robot connections John Connor ception anyway, yeah, dude, so I finally got to take the kids out again, fishing. So, and what was cool was we actually connected with Andrew and his kid. Oh, you guys all went together. So we all got to make a thing of it. Yeah, I went to the Loch Loman. And it was like, it was great. I was hoping that we'd all like catch fish.

Starting point is 00:52:59 It was going to be this epic outing and whatnot. But, you know, it didn't really pan out. Like, we had some bites and some action, but literally the whole time was like, we have to like untangle these kids' lines and redo their rigs. And it was like, I had to check myself quite a few times to not lose my shit, you know,

Starting point is 00:53:20 because it was like, you have to trust them that they're gonna cast correctly and you teach them the techniques, but it's like you have to trust them that they're gonna cast correctly and you teach them the techniques, but it's like you have to let them fail too, right? And like, tangle up and like, do all this and do it all over again. And I felt like I have this whole new respect for like my grandma, my grandpa,

Starting point is 00:53:40 they took me fishing and like dealt with the fact that like, okay, I cast it, I find like, I got everything correct, but now I get it on the bottom and then I get stuck and then we have to like rip it and do it all. Yeah, because if you get all frustrated and angry, you're just gonna ruin the experience. Yeah, like, you think it's more an advantage to be not a big fisherman

Starting point is 00:53:59 do teaching your kids or do you think it's a less of a advantage? Cause like, I feel like if you're teaching something that you're very passionate about, you love you're really good at, you probably have a, I don't know if somebody else teach it. I feel like you will get irritated faster because you enjoy doing it versus like,

Starting point is 00:54:15 if I was, if I'm doing it, like for example, my son and I doing the puzzles, right? Cause he loves the puzzles. Like him messing up or trying the same piece forever, I really don't give a shit. I suck at puzzles. Half the time he's faster than I am. So it's like whatever we're doing together.

Starting point is 00:54:30 So I feel like I have all the patience in the world doing that. But if I was trying to teach him like basketball, spreading his fingers, and this, I'm so into that that like I could see myself getting more frustrated. So you think it's advantage or a disadvantage to not be into the thing that you're teaching. I could see advantages and disadvantages. Right. I think you advantages and disadvantages. Right.

Starting point is 00:54:45 I think you just have to be, remember the experience that you're creating and have to accept. Like, I'm not here for me, I'm here for them. But boy, I could see the frustration too, right? Because if you show them, they're frustrated. Like, I have a friend. That's gonna turn them off, right? I have a friend whose dad was a high level soccer player,

Starting point is 00:55:02 very, very high level soccer player. And he was so frustrated with his kid trying to teach him soccer, that by the time this kid was like 12, he and now he's an adult. When he's 12, he's like, I don't want to play soccer every game, because his dad made us such a back experience. Well, now as an adult, it's like, man, I had so much talent, because but I quit because my dad made me hate it so much. He's like, had he not done that? I would have totally played.

Starting point is 00:55:24 Well, yeah, I mean, and I had to catch myself because Everett actually caught me messing with the line. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna be getting pissed that I was having to unravel everything and start over and get it under the bail. And so he was like, Dad, I see you're getting frustrated, don't worry about it and he was about to do something. Wow.

Starting point is 00:55:48 No, no, I'm just only frustrated with what I'm doing right now. It's nothing to do with you. You know, this is just me trying to work my way through and I'm processing it and so anyway, it was total like a lesson for me. Bro, when your kids call you out, it's like, oh yeah, bro.

Starting point is 00:56:06 I remember one time my son did that to me, he's like, dad's hands just weren't made for petite things. So, I asked him later, I'm like, would you guys want to try it again? They were all about it. So I was like, oh, thank God. That was good. You know, totally fun. Yeah, you know it's bad when So I was like, oh, thank God. That was good. You know, totally fun.

Starting point is 00:56:25 Yeah, you know, it's bad when they're just like, no, it's okay, Dad. No, Dad. You're gonna sit this one out, Dad. You know, Dad, I don't want to, because I don't want to disappoint you. It's making me crush you. Oh, God, what did I do?

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Starting point is 00:57:30 Gary, what's happening, man? How come we help you? Hey guys, thank you so much for taking my call today. I appreciate it. I really enjoy the show. This question was actually submitted back in April and then because of my school schedule I was never really able to get anything hooked up but my question was so prior to that I reached out to you guys on

Starting point is 00:57:52 social media, I'm a PE teacher, I teach middle school and at that time you know because we were in the pandemic I was teaching online online, and I remember, Sally, you had said that your son was upstairs, you could hear him banging around up there, doing burpees and hit-type training. And so that was kind of what I was doing and giving my students links to videos and stuff. So I just said, hey, well, what would you suggest we do with our students? And so you said prime, prime, pro pro fast forward then we get in person and I Was trying to work on a little bit of that stuff. You know, maybe just some general 90 90 a little bit of combat stretch

Starting point is 00:58:36 But my question is I have access to and our school some About six TRX straps. And another episode I had heard you guys talking to a caller who said that they had got their daughter into a little bit of working out. And you mentioned the suspension trainers and using those types of things. So again, I have access to that. I have access to some of those Kaiser air machines,

Starting point is 00:59:03 light dumbbells. And so along with all of the traditional sports that we do, I try to do some sort of a couple days a week fitness training. So I want to know how, you know, I get incorporate that. And also in the in the meantime, since the question, I have purchased maps. Symmetry. Yes, I'm sorry. That's symmetry. Sorry about that.

Starting point is 00:59:28 And I was curious, you know, because how Justin's doing with his players with the isometric training. So as a teacher, how would you try to incorporate all that from your points of view? Yeah, now this is this is a class, right? So this is not a sports team. This is just a PE class. How many kids I do actually do both.

Starting point is 00:59:46 I coach and I teach, but mainly, so I would use them for both, but a lot of the question was from my student job. Okay, yes, it's gonna be different from each one. And in my experience, general fitness for middle school kids right now, isn't that super great? So we're not dealing with a lot of athletes.

Starting point is 01:00:03 It's a lot of kids who probably spend a lot of time on electronics and don't do a lot of physical activity. Would you say that's accurate? Oh, absolutely. Okay, so that being said, and you're doing a class, you're gonna have to keep it very basic, mainly because that's what's gonna be appropriate, but also because you're working with so many kids,

Starting point is 01:00:23 it'll be very hard to monitor anything more than basic with a class. And if you, if kids are doing an exercise that is a little above what they're capable of doing and you can't go and watch them and really have them do perfect form, you may be doing them more harm than good. So I'll keep it extremely basic.

Starting point is 01:00:40 You can use the suspension trainers, you can use body weight exercises, but it would be very, very basic stuff. Standing squat, split stance lunge, a modified push up so that they can actually perform the push up, a modified row, so they could perform the row. You could do the wall test to help with shoulder mobility, but I'll keep it super, super basic.

Starting point is 01:01:02 You could pick like four movements where you could pay, no let's say you have a class of 30 kids you could divide them into four groups and each group do one basic movement so this group over here doing a split stance squat this group over here doing these modified push-ups this group over here doing a modified row and you essentially you're doing four groups and that we can go from each group and Kind of watch what they're doing and it's not a circuit so I wouldn't treat it like a circuit. It's not like you're trying to get them to beat themselves up. What you're trying to do is really work on perfecting and practicing technique, form, and control because that's what they're going to benefit the most from. It also gives you the least risk factor in terms of injuries or getting these kids to do something that's inappropriate.

Starting point is 01:01:45 I also like taking actually, and I totally agree with Sal, but then we just had, we got tagged yesterday in our private forum with a coach who was taking his soccer players in a group through a Turkish get up. And I think this is something, I mean, if I was in your position, this is something that I would like to do. Like I would, and the Turkish get up, you can really break the Turkish get up in like eight separate moves. So I would like make a circle, the kids around me,

Starting point is 01:02:14 I would be in the center of the circle, and we'd all do the first part of the Turkish get up. That's it. And I would just repeat it, repeat it, until they get that part, and then I would add the second part, and then the third part. And then eventually we would piece the whole Turkish gift.

Starting point is 01:02:28 And that could be a class. I mean, the whole class could literally be around breaking the Turkish gift up, trying to perform it and explain every aspect of it. And then get to a place where you can actually start to teach the kids that movement. That is such a good movement that they have to learn to articulate their entire body from their head to their toe, that if you can get them to perfect that, the carryover into a lot of the other things they're doing. And it's challenging in a nice little

Starting point is 01:02:53 workout, just simply doing that. So I like the simplicity of just like one movement in the class and teaching that. The same thing goes for a movement like a wind meal. I think a wind meal has got such good carryover. It's challenging enough that you could focus just on that. The same thing goes for a movement like a wind meal. I think a wind meal has got such good carry over. It's challenging enough that you could focus just on that. And then it's also got enough parts to it to where you can kind of break it up in multiple movements and teach those movements and then put it all together. That's also an option.

Starting point is 01:03:18 Yeah, I think my answer would be a bit different from how I was training the football team in terms of we have a very specific objective and you know going through the list of exercises and trying to figure out what I can establish and get them to learn most effectively and then what their goals are in terms of getting stronger, more powerful, you know faster, you know all those type of attributes versus like your average student you know, all those type of attributes versus like your average student, just trying to general health and fitness and strength. You know, I think isometrics do help.

Starting point is 01:03:51 You know, in terms of them being able to slow down and be able to really focus on control and, you know, coordination and like all those types of things, just understanding their body about how to generate force. So I think there's value in it. coordination and like all those types of things are just understanding their body about how to generate force. So I think there's value in it. I just don't think I would do it quite as aggressively as I did with the football team in terms of like, you know, really hyper focusing on that for a while

Starting point is 01:04:16 because what I was really trying to establish was like how to do that, how to generate more force in these compound lifts because they didn't really understand that aspect in general. But I think in terms of like having the prime compass tests, I think that it's super valuable. You can do that in a big group. And you can go through all those and break them up. And then, you know, even when you start evaluating, like, is a, you know, a barbell squat appropriate for all these kids? Is it even worth like kind of going that direction

Starting point is 01:04:46 or just sticking with like split stance squats and, you know, focusing on like general fitness, like in strength pursuits, where also it's like addressing a lot of the instability. So you see a lot of like movement that you can address and slow down. So I guess when my point is, I would probably focus on more like the tempo

Starting point is 01:05:08 and like really like slowing it down, having some kind of a, maybe even having some kind of a beep that they can like a cadence that they follow as they're doing the reps. So the focus is on... Like a metronome or something. Yeah, the quality of the movement, everybody's trying to hit the beat,

Starting point is 01:05:22 trying to get to that next position and then back up and They're doing this kind of as a group. They have somebody watching, you know, they're doing it with partners And then you know make it fun and so you have you throwing a challenge every now and then You know to see you know because kids just respond best that way even when they're high school kids They love a challenge. So they give them a challenge, get them engaged, have them do some kind of sled challenge where they're pushing it back and forth, some push-up challenge.

Starting point is 01:05:54 You get creative with that aspect of it, but then you have the structure of it really focused on the quality of their movement and then just things that they can repeat. So it's not too complicated. It's just lunges, just dips, it's just pull-ups. You know, it's really basic things that they can carry with them. I don't think a lot of these kids will be able to do a single dip or pull-up. Yeah, well that's what I mean. You got to teach those things. Here's the key. So I've had,

Starting point is 01:06:18 I've actually had the opportunity to not only train several PE teachers, but I've actually helped them write exactly what you're wanting to do. And I made mistakes earlier on and I'd learned from that after I got to go see some of these classes and the types of kids that were taking it. And what I learned was originally, and I feel like you're kind of asking from this, and this is why you're getting probably a shitty answer from all three of us and going like, this helped me not at all.

Starting point is 01:06:39 So I still have to go figure this out, is you think like where we originally thought, which is I'm trying to write a workout for these kids, and that throw that out. Like you're not trying to put a good workout in, you're trying to teach them something. So a whole class could literally be dedicated to just teaching tempo, like Justin said. Like today, kids, we are gonna learn the importance

Starting point is 01:07:01 of the squat and tempo, and the whole class is just slowing down the process or I'm just gonna teach you an isometric lunge and like, or a push up. Or just a push up, right? And all the nuances of it and then slowing it down and talking about, like, instead of thinking, like I need to, I wanna try and write a good workout

Starting point is 01:07:20 that's gonna help all these kids. It's like, throw that out. Like it's not like training you, it's not like training a client, it's totally different. It's like, can I, if you can, if you can in a semester or whatever,

Starting point is 01:07:32 you guys break it down a quarter or whatever, what if you can teach a kid, just literally the Turkish get up, what you have done for that kid or that group of kids is so much more powerful than if you wrote all these really good workouts that are super complex and make some burn and sweat. It's like throw that shit out.

Starting point is 01:07:50 100%. The biggest mistake that you'll make or the hardest challenge is going to be to want to get them to sweat and to want them to get to soar and to want to get them to their heart rate up. I got to get them to sweat. It's got to be a hard workout. No. They need to perfect and practice the skills and get their bodies to move the way they want. Because all other stuff doesn't matter. So it's going to be

Starting point is 01:08:09 a panic at the moment. And getting back to Adam what you were saying. That was kind of the direction I was thinking because again, well I just finished my 28th year of teaching. And you know, these kids are especially coming back from the pandemic, being stuck at home, you know, they're sedentary. And you mentioned about kids can't even do a pull-up. I mean, they took it out of the California state physical fitness testing. We don't even have pull-ups anymore.

Starting point is 01:08:34 We might have a modified pull-up, flexed arm hangs, something like that. But even a regular push-up, they can't even do. Very few kids, they give them one because they try. That's like what we have to do. So, I know. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Starting point is 01:08:52 Well, you just said push-up and you brought up a good point. One of the more viral videos I've ever done on our Mind Pump TV YouTube channel is teaching the perfect push-up. I don't know if you've watched that video, but I actually have, I teach regressions to it, how to progress it, and it's a hand release push up. So if you go to MindPump TV and go like,

Starting point is 01:09:11 perfect, MindPump, perfect push up, it should be a video that I'm teaching. That's like a class right there. I feel like you could literally take that video and then teach that for a class. 100% the mentality of, I need to give them a workout, that's the wrong mentality. It's gonna be, I need to teach them

Starting point is 01:09:29 to be able to move their bodies in proper ways. And so it's literally that. And that will actually give them better physical results also. They're also gonna get better results from that anyway because we tend to think that in order to get good physical results, we have to get sweat, we have to get sore. No, keep it as basic as possible. That's what you're working with,

Starting point is 01:09:47 and they're gonna get more benefit from it. And they'll probably value it more. I think that they'll enjoy it more as well, because they can feel and see the progress versus, oh, here's the class, we're just gonna get sore and tired. And you know, back to the isometrics thing that Justin was saying, here's why I don't like isometrics necessarily

Starting point is 01:10:03 for a class like this. Isometrics is so dependent on intrinsic tension. The second you turn your head, that kid's not doing isometric anymore. The second you turn your head, they're just holding the position. So it's very hard to monitor. Now, if I'm working with athletes,

Starting point is 01:10:17 there's a little bit more of a drive and motivation and competitive aspect, but if I'm teaching a class, I'm like, all right, guys, hold this pose and really push hard to what a second I turn my head that kids just holding it. Yeah, I would look at it more. Yeah, they collapse down. Yeah, I would look at it more.

Starting point is 01:10:32 So if you're teaching these proper techniques of let's just use push up as the example, and you've been able to establish that, but now you wanna add a little spice to it and you can have them hold at the bottom position as like a challenge. And so that's something that's like, you're not having to queue anything else other than they're struggling in that position, in that low position. And then also to get more benefit off, you know, as far as like they're more engaged because this is like something that they're trying to beat and compete

Starting point is 01:11:08 you know people around them with. So I mean there's just ways to kind of play with it. Once you establish those you know those main type of exercises that you're really trying to educate them on. Yeah and by the way it looks like you got a really cool shirt on. What is that? Oh this is one of the, well I don't want to put out anybody else's content but this is one of the other people I follow. It's I don't know if you guys anybody else's content, but this is one of the other people I follow. It's, I don't know if you guys, are you familiar with Corey Gregory? Oh, yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:11:30 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's just what I had on today. So, yeah. If I had a mind-pump, sure, I'd be wearing it. Yeah, well, maybe. Yeah, well, we.

Starting point is 01:11:40 Mid-West Boy, right? Cole Mining Guy. Is that right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I know what he's saying. Well, I tell you what, Gary, normally we give away free programs, but you're in California, aren't you? Yeah, actually, you know what I was going to say, two a few weeks ago, I was up to Santana Roa. I was looking for you.

Starting point is 01:11:55 I grew up in, in three months. So I was, I was right up over there, but now I'm in the, yeah, I'm in the central valley. Okay. Well, I tell you what, what part of central value are you? The Fresno area. Okay, yeah, I grew up in Modesto, Oakdale, Turlock, that'll let stomping ground over there. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Yeah, for sure. Well, now I've been listening to you guys for a couple of years now,

Starting point is 01:12:15 so I really appreciate it. And Sal, you know, you mentioned about going to see the Matt Apple the other day. And I saw that two weeks ago. And it's kind of like what I like about your show. It's, uh, you keep up on current events and then you guys give the fitness advice so appreciate It's not an all-one show great. It was a great show. You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna send you some I'm gonna send you a shirt normally we give away free program. I'm gonna send you a shirt So you don't wear that one anymore Definitely appreciate that we got you we got you Gary. Yeah, thanks for calling in man appreciate Yeah, thank you guys so much keep us posted man. Yeah, okay. We got you Gary. Yeah, thanks for calling in man, appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:12:45 Yeah, thank you guys so much. Keep us posted man. Yeah. Okay, no problem. Have a good one. Okay. I tell you man, there was that one, I brought this up before on the show,

Starting point is 01:12:56 but there's other studies that are showing this. There was a study and I'll bring it up again. There was a study that showed that college aged males today. So I think this was like maybe within the last six years or so. College-aged males had the grip strength of a 65-year-old in 1983. I remember. So depressing.

Starting point is 01:13:13 Like the strength and physical readiness of kids, and it's just this is the way society moves because we become more technologically advanced. It's less demanding and blah, blah, blah. So I get it, but when you're working with kids today, like in the past, you'd be like, all right, guys, we're gonna do pull-ups, we're gonna do push-ups, we're, they can't even do a straight arm plank after these kids, right? So you gotta bring it wave, and now this doesn't mean that their bodies can't respond,

Starting point is 01:13:36 adapting, get stronger, they totally can. It's just, you gotta keep that in mind. Well, group training, group training is already unbelievably challenged. Yeah, I remember when I went on my rant years ago and pissed everybody off and said, group training should already unbelievably challenging. Remember when I ran years ago and pissed everybody off and said, group training should die. Yeah. There's so much truth in that though. I there is.

Starting point is 01:13:50 There is truth in that. And it's just really challenging to teach a group as it is. And then you add in the fact that they're young kids, then you add in the fact they're deconditioned, then you add in the fact that COVID is really fun. And they know you want to be there most of the time. And so I actually, I have, I've had several PE teachers that I trained. I actually had a really long-term client

Starting point is 01:14:09 and good friend of mine who was a PE teacher. And I had already kind of written programs before. She was the first one that I actually got to go see it, implement and I went, I didn't realize what a mistake I was making. Until I saw it and I went, oh shit, like they're just not, and so that's where I went back on it.

Starting point is 01:14:26 You know what, if a whole year went by and I could just get her to teach her kids how to do a proper push up, it would be such a win. Yes, and even though they're not gonna leave that class and be shredded and go, oh my God, I've got all, but I will help her lay the foundation for these kids that maybe that will set them off in the future that they want to train or now They have better posture because of it and unfortunately that PE teacher like Gary is not going to get a lot of good credit for what he did

Starting point is 01:14:53 But I promise you he's laying a solid foundation if he focuses on yeah, I mean that's and I'm glad you brought all the way down to that point because it was like Like I don't see barbells really valuable at all and that kind of, you know, they came in control of their body. Yeah, they came up, barbell. And so like yeah, trying to even come up with some like body weight exercises that are valuable that you can then take on with you. I bet if you took a hundred average middle school kids,

Starting point is 01:15:17 you probably would be lucky if you had two that could do a proper barbell squat with the barbell and nothing else on. Well, even student athletes now, because that used to be the ones that really wanted to be there and want to improve in our performance driven, right? Like that's even like degraded like substantially. So yeah, so I mean, it is hard.

Starting point is 01:15:35 It's a hard thing. You really have to sit back and like evaluate like what you're working with. Did you guys see the video I was referring to on our forum, the kid posted it, that's when our forum. No, which one? So he's a soccer coach and he had like, oh yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah, I did.

Starting point is 01:15:48 And he had all of it, and he had the soccer ball there about it, and then he was breaking down the pitch. That was great. No, it was great. And it's complex enough that it'll be challenging for all of it, right, to get good at it. But it's simplified enough by breaking up in eight steps. You got to, they need to know how to be in their bodies. You're just disconnected from their bodies.

Starting point is 01:16:07 And before you can work out, you got to know how to be connected and how to control and move and stabilize. Otherwise, the workouts will waste, not only a waste of time, it's a very high risk of injury and problems later on. Our next caller is Megan from Tennessee. Megan, what's happening? How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:16:24 Hey guys, well, so first first of all I want to say I have been a full-time personal trainer for six years now. So you know you guys are giving me content that are just helping me perfect my craft and so I'm just so thankful like y'all are creating real change in my life. So thank you. Awesome. Yeah so before I will I'll go and hop into the question. So, okay, I am a 28 year old mom of a two year old, and I weigh 133 pounds, and I'm wanting to go into some type of cut, but I'm at 11% body fat already, and so I kind of wanted to get yours intake on that, but I'll give you guys some context.

Starting point is 01:17:04 So, I've always been really lean and I'm definitely naturally on the endurance side of the spectrum But the past nine years I've been straight training and focusing on building muscle and I've actually been able to put on like 20 pounds But stayed at roughly the same body fat percentage So that's I'm really really proud of that So my exercise routine right now consists of, so I lift heavy for four days and then I do one day of like kettlebell work, just like technique stuff because I love kettlebells. And then I do one day of like low intensity study state cardio. I also get 10,000 steps in every day, but I take Sundays completely off of everything. So my current strength is out, so I'm deadlifting twice my weight.

Starting point is 01:17:52 I can bench my weight. I'm working on my mobility for my squats, but I'm definitely like building that back up, my strength for that back up. I've never maxed on my overhead press, but a couple weeks ago, I did 85 pounds for four reps on my overhead press, and then I can row a decent amount. So I feel like I'm pretty strong right now. So my nutrition, I eat 100% whole foods, so I eat my body weight in protein, so I get plenty of protein. I'm roughly at like 2,000 to 2,300 calories every day, and that's maintenance, so I'm not gaining or losing there.

Starting point is 01:18:32 And I also have never had alcohol in my life, so I just feel like really full. I feel really nourished, I don't feel run down or anything like that. I sleep roughly eight hours a day. I mean, I'm pretty religious about when I go to bed, but I mean, y'all know I'm up at four or five every day. So, but I go to bed at nine o'clock every night. And so I feel like pretty rested as well. So I feel like my stress is also pretty low,

Starting point is 01:19:00 even though I have a two year old. But my hesitation is that like, I guess I worry if I were to go into a cut that I would just lose muscle and potentially put on a body fat. And so, yeah, I just wanted y'all's opinion or yeah, advice on that. So Megan, you know we can see you, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:21 Okay, you look amazing. You laid out everything. You look amazing for someone who doesn't have a two-year-old. You look unbelievable for somebody who has a two-year-old. Everything you've listed off is like a dream to get a client to this place where you're currently at. Can I ask what you're doing? I'm gonna practice what I preach.

Starting point is 01:19:39 It's like, this is my job. This is what I tell my clients. And so, and I believe in what we do. So, I practice it you know. So let me interrupt for a second Adam. So you said 11% don't take this the wrong way you don't look like you're 11% 11% is almost essential body fat meaning you look lean but 11% is a unhealthy body fat percentage for a woman you look healthy I would guess you to be in the mid teens Well, and so I mean, you know, I've used I have an in-body skill like that's what I'm using

Starting point is 01:20:11 Regularly using that so I'm not like in a dunk tank So or I'm not doing like the calibers But I don't feel like I look 11% body fat I know that I'm lean but yeah, I'm just going off of my in-body and Like before I had my baby, I was also roughly 12% body fat. So I've stayed consistently like this was years ago, like even before I started strength training, I really have stayed about the same body fat percentage. I've just put on muscle.

Starting point is 01:20:38 Yeah. Yeah. You don't look, you don't look 11. If you were 11% or real, you would look unhealthy. This is Katrina. I tell you that I saw a time. Katrina time. Katrina, the worst shape you've seen Katrina is 14. She normally hovers around 11 to 12. Yeah. So weirdest thing ever. Yeah, I know, but it's talking about that, like saying that Katrina is roughly that body factor. Do you, so you might have asked about your hormonal cycles

Starting point is 01:20:58 and stuff. Do you have a period? Or are you on birth control? Yeah. So after I had my baby, my body just decided it hated me. And so all my hormones completely bottomed out. And so about a year and a half ago, I started pursuing hormone replacement therapy. And then it's just been a struggle finding the right doctor here.

Starting point is 01:21:19 So then like shortly after that, you guys started talking about hormone replacement therapy. And it only like enforced, okay, Megan, you're on the right track and you really need to pursue this. So I did do a consultation with y'all, the guys that y'all work with, but I wanted to work with somebody in person. So finally, like three doctors later, I found the right fit, I'm on the right dose of, I'm on testosterone replacement therapy and I take Pajostroon. So, and I've been on the right dose for about six months now. So, I feel so much better. Any girl that is like questioning going on testosterone, it's a game changer.

Starting point is 01:21:53 Okay, so you're not getting like hot flashes and hot cold temperature and tolerances. And so, okay, so the hormones feel pretty balanced. Yeah, and I have a regular cycle too. So, yeah. Okay, and I'm asking that because, when you get too lean as a woman, one of the first easiest signs is you start to see issues with the cycle. Usually I can see in a woman's face if she's too lean or if she's in that state of like

Starting point is 01:22:15 we need to increase body fat. You don't, you look pretty healthy just from looking at you. I will, I do want to ask one personal question though. Have you dealt with body image issues or eating disorders in the past? No, and even after having my baby, it was like, I believe in what I do. I never put any pressure. No, it's like, no, not at all.

Starting point is 01:22:35 I mean, yeah. Why do you want to get leaner? If you don't mind me asking. Honestly, I just think the body is so amazing. And so, right before I had Aria, that's my daughter's name. I did a half Iron Man and then three years later, I'm the strongest ever, we've been in my life. So I just love, I just think the body is so amazing.

Starting point is 01:22:54 So I just like, I'm curious, but I'm also not committed to it. So like if you all feel like it wouldn't be appropriate, I'm like, cool. No, I think you have the right mindset. I also think you're a healthy person in a healthy place. You're a professional in this. I see value in pushing the body to those extremes as for that reason. The fact that you're not so committed to it that if all said you started to see signs like say you lost your period or you notice you weren't feeling good, you could back out of it. You're not committed to it.

Starting point is 01:23:21 So I don't have a problem with it. I think I think the thing we for is like, you're in a great place right now. But I can totally relate to wanting to push my body to an extreme that I've never seen just to see what it feels like, see what it takes, see how I feel when I get there. It was an amazing experience for myself. So I mean, I think you're in a pretty good place to do it, and you have the right mindset. If you have plans to compete, or step on stage or anything? Definitely not. I know.

Starting point is 01:23:51 No. Good. I don't want it to be like a drastic cut. Like I would want it to be just like, I don't know, and I want advice from you guys on that, but no, I don't have any plans to do. So here's what I would focus on if you do want to get a, because you're really lean, and if I had to guess,

Starting point is 01:24:08 I'd say you're probably around 15, 16% based off of how you look, which is good, there's nothing wrong with that. It's pretty lean. 11% is typically too lean for a woman. And these body fat testing methods can be off, because if they, if they guess your body fat percentage because you're a female, you may store body fat a little bit differently, and so it's going to give you a different type of reading. So I fat percentage because you're a female, you may store body fat a little bit differently

Starting point is 01:24:25 and so it's gonna give you a different type of reading. So I don't think you're 11%. I've never met a woman at like a real 11% that looked healthy. Typically it's right before they gone stage and they don't look too good. But here's what you're gonna have to focus on. Not the cut, it's gonna be the after. Because where you at now, you're already pretty lean.

Starting point is 01:24:43 Getting any leaner, it's gonna get a little extreme with how you are with your diet. You're already pretty dialed in, so it just means you're gonna have to get a little obsessive. It's gonna be the afterwards. It's gonna be the reverse diet that's gonna be where you really gonna have to place your focus.

Starting point is 01:24:56 It's gonna be, can I get my body to come back? Cause body fat percentage is, or body fat is essential. It's extremely essential for a woman. Your hormones are closely tied to your body fat percentage is, or body fat is essential. It's extremely essential for a woman. Your hormones are closely tied to your body fat percentage. Your body will say, we're not gonna be fertile anymore if it gets too lean, if we push yourself a little too hard. So you wanna, it's the after

Starting point is 01:25:16 that you really wanna pay attention to. What you don't wanna do is go down, but like, oh my God, I got so shredded, and then just do this crazy rebound. If you were my friend, I would say, you know, you could play with this, but be pay very close attention to how you feel. And if you start to feel unhealthy,

Starting point is 01:25:31 just slowly back out of it. That's that would be my advice. You said all the right things for me. I feel like your attitude going into it, the place you're at, health wise, the reason why you wanna do it. I think you're, to me, you're saying all the right things for me to go, let's do this.

Starting point is 01:25:45 Let's have some fun. Let's go try and do this. Are you in our private forum, Megan? I'm not. And I have so much of you guys' content, and I was like, oh my gosh, I hope they get me in their forum. Well, okay, so I'm gonna have Doug put you in our forum

Starting point is 01:25:56 and just keep us posted. I would love to actually watch and hear this journey because I think you're a great person to do this and just keep us posted. Have you ever tried to gain body fat purposely? No, but I put on 20 pounds. I weigh up into the max to keep you down heavier for me. And if anything, I'm eating more than I've ever had in my life and I have a tear old

Starting point is 01:26:22 baby. So no, like I've never... Here's another option because you're really lean. You got along what you can go pretty. Yeah, another option just for fun just to see how you feel, how your body reacts, how you sleep, how you feel in your body. Another option would be let's see if I could go on a bulk and gain some body fat. That's not going to let me go on a bulk before I actually.

Starting point is 01:26:44 Not necessarily, just to see what it's like. Yeah, I'm so I agree, but I would actually do it after. You're already play, I mean, I would reduce your calories a little bit, because you don't need to do very much and you'll probably see that. Maybe pick up your steps. Like 200 calories. Yeah, two, two, 300 calories.

Starting point is 01:26:58 Two, one, three, two to 300 calories, increase your steps a little bit. Maybe every once in a while add in like some hit cardio post workout for 12 minutes. And I would progressively do that. You've probably heard me talk on the show how I would do that with competitors is we start by just increasing steps a little bit.

Starting point is 01:27:16 Then I would start to add three days a week post workout, hit for 12 minutes, keep increasing steps and then maybe that hit goes to five days. Just slowly progress that. Only cut your calories by 300, just that extra movement, the reduction in calories, how lean you already are. I bet you'll drop a few body fat percentage right there. And then when you're the most shredded you have in your life, and you've kind of achieved

Starting point is 01:27:37 like, okay, cool, I did this, then do what Salsai. And then the goal will be, let's see how high I can get my calorie intake up and see if you can really start pushing up to 26, 2800 calories. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'm down for that more for you. Yeah. Alright.

Starting point is 01:27:53 Yeah. But I mean, if you're the space that you're in and the vibe that we're getting from you, you can, you have your base, right? You have your home base where you feel comfortable. And so now you can have fun and move a little bit up, a little bit down, pay attention to how you feel, get in tune with your body. And then what's good about this is you can identify, okay, well, during this period of my life, I think I want to carry a little bit more body fat because it makes me feel this particular way.

Starting point is 01:28:14 Or, you know, I think I'm going to ramp it up and get a little leaner because I feel this particular way with the context of my life. So it's good to know that, but I would never recommend that to somebody who I felt like, you know, if you came to us at your body fat percentage, and we got any inkling that you were unhealthy or there was some bad food, you know, relationship issues, we would not tell you to try to get in the league. I'm looking at you right now, like I said, I don't think you're 11%, but you're lean. You're very lean, you're very fit. I don't, yeah, so I typically wouldn't say, I think you should try and get leaner, but

Starting point is 01:28:43 I think for just the experience and, you know, kind of how it's going to feel and learning more about your body, I think there may be some value there. But you have fun with it. Go get it, Megan. Hey, and before I hop off really quick, I wanted to say, like, I'm obviously so grateful for the content and I've learned so much, but I also want to say, like, for example, Sal, when your wife went into delivery with a rail use, like I was praying for them, and everything went so well. And then, you know, with Max and his surgery, I was praying for him, and so happy that he's doing well. And then also Justin, you know,

Starting point is 01:29:13 I know your youngest is in gymnastics, and that's maybe you want to put my baby in gymnastics. So, although, like, obviously a lot of us are here for the content, but, I mean, I stayed for Yelts personality, so I just wanted to say thank you. Oh wow, thank you very much, man. Thank you, manelts personality, so I just wanted to say thank you guys. Oh, wow. Thank you very much, man.

Starting point is 01:29:26 I appreciate that. All right, we'll see you in the forum. Bye. Bye-bye. Okay, so you know how valuable it is that we could see them, because if she talked to us and said I'm 11%, I would have been much more, now, here you're talking.

Starting point is 01:29:38 So here's it, okay. But I would have been way more apprehensive. You know, Katrina, I'll bring it in. She actually, I've just recently I was going through my old books and she actually has them kept. I'll bring you guys her dunk, okay? Underwater, which is like super accurate,

Starting point is 01:29:53 11, 12% consistently. But let me ask you this. She does not look 11, 12%. No, no, I was gonna say, let me ask you this, you know, out of 100 women that dunk at 11%, how many of them look healthy? Yeah, no, you agreed. Your point is right, but I mean, she looks like that.

Starting point is 01:30:07 She has that kind of look to her where and I don't know what that is. If they just don't carry hardly any visceral fat or with they're not hardly any in their organs and stuff like that. And that's what they're so clean. The only truly accurate body fat test is when you're a endeavor. Yeah, that kill your body. That's true. It's 100%. And what it really highlights is and I didn't want us to get too hung up on the issue 11 or not, because it doesn't matter. Like, it's like, if you've consistently used a tool,

Starting point is 01:30:31 even if it's in body and has room for air, it's like, just consistently use that. It's just seeing the trends, right? Yeah, I see. But I mean, if we couldn't see here, because you can, I mean, look, doing this as long as we have, I can see in a person's face, and she looked bright, she looked healthy,

Starting point is 01:30:45 she also answered questions. And she was incredible. Chance her questions the right way. So, but I would, if I didn't see her and hear some of the stuff that she was saying, I would not be like, yeah, get leaner. I would be like, well, I think that's a good idea. She hit it right on the, for me,

Starting point is 01:30:58 the motive, when you asked what was the motivation, that was my motivation. Exactly, like curiosity. Yeah, I think that is awesome. I think especially it's your profession, right? This is not just some random person. It's like this is her profession. The amount of insight I felt that I gained

Starting point is 01:31:14 and how much better of a coach and trainer I became from doing that, it was, I don't know. One where those lines exist, right? And like finding your way back to homeostasis, I mean, we talk about this all the time, just trying to optimize your body and all kinds of different pathways.

Starting point is 01:31:27 So it's cool that she's kind of experimenting in that. Yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did the leaner thing and then she got, let her body fat creep up, five, six percent above where it's at now. And if she didn't have a better experience with the higher body fat percentage, well, a lot of women feel that get there and they get over the like,

Starting point is 01:31:44 and then they're like, oh, I actually feel really good. I feel better. Yeah, better. So the only thing that I mean, and it's, we are totally, I'm being totally critical at this point, right? Cause I think she's in such a great place.

Starting point is 01:31:56 I don't know if you guys remember. So Melissa was the last person that I coached for a show and we kind of document her journey. When I first got her, she was eating about 1900 calories, was already in really good shape, very similar kind of body type as hers, as Megan's. We got all the way up to 2,800 calories. So she could easily, with the amount of activity

Starting point is 01:32:14 she's doing, the amount of muscle I see on her body, like that. Her strength tells me she's got some good genetics too. I'm double body weight deadlift. And to have that kind of strength with her body fat percentage. Yeah, so I think a cool goal for her after she does this getting lean would be to see how high she could her core can take up. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:32 I think she can get her. Maybe just empower lifting. Yeah. As well. Our next caller is David from Texas. What's up, David? How can we help you? Hey, guys, how's it going?

Starting point is 01:32:40 I have to say before anything else, I'm really grateful to be able to talk to you to the three of you or to the four of you because I got to talk to Doug right now. You guys have made a huge impact both in my professional life with personal training and with my personal life because I went through a lot of stuff a couple years back and the podcast was just something that was something that I would look forward to a lot and it made things easier to deal with. I'll just say that so I just want to say thank you guys. Thank you man. Awesome David. Alright so my question is, so I'm starting a lean bulk. And I actually, I ended up hiring a coach that I met on the private forum, on the mind

Starting point is 01:33:32 point, private forum. And basically, I want to bring up just my delts and my buys and tries. I don't really want to bring up anything else. I'm pretty happy with my back development, my chest development and my buys and tries. I don't really want to bring up anything else. I'm pretty happy with with you know my back development, my chest development, my legs. I'm pretty content with all that. So I just want to bring up my my my arms really just this area right here and my original question was should I be running a program that just brings up the volume on those particular areas that I want to bring up and not, you know, how a lot of mass builder programs will end up

Starting point is 01:34:13 bringing up the volume on pretty much everything? And my question was, should I run something that just brings up the volume on those lagging body parts? Because I feel like if I bring up the volume on everything, all my body is going to do is just grow what's easiest for it to grow if that makes sense. Or worse, it won't grow at all because you're just over stimulating, you're giving it too much. That's a great question.

Starting point is 01:34:37 That's a great question. Mapsesthetic. Do you own Mapsestetic yet? I don't know. I have a K before it, but I don't have Mapsestetic. Okay. We're going to get. I get. I get. I get. I get. I get.

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Starting point is 01:35:04 I get. I get. I get. I you end up hitting. Yeah, no, actually your intuition is on point. One of the biggest mistakes people make when they're bringing up a lagging body part is they add more volume to the lagging body part and now they're doing too much volume overall for the whole body. So best case scenario, the whole body progresses at the same rate as before, meaning the lagging body part remains

Starting point is 01:35:18 a unbalanced for the rest of the body, but that's usually not what happens. What usually happens is they just end up over training and nothing happens. So your happens is they just end up over training and nothing happens. So your intuition is right, spot on. So I like to tell people, do this, look at the body part that you have now, that is your fastest responding,

Starting point is 01:35:34 the one that you're like, look, I'm happy with it. Take volume from that body part and then add it to the body part that you wanna bring up. Right, yeah, like the coach that I hired, could I give her a shout out, by the way? Sure. Go ahead. I did find her on the Mind Pump forum. So her name is Katie and the company's name is Barpath Fitness. She's really, she's been really great and you know, she's Super smart. She does a lot of, I can tell she listens to you guys as much as I do.

Starting point is 01:36:03 I can tell she listens to you guys as much as I do Awesome good deal, but yeah like I Just noticed you know when I first started working out which is almost 10 years ago Really I remember Even then my traps my back and my legs were like the first things they grew and ever since then I Never like I always struggled growing my belts, especially the side belt. My arms were never up to par with the rest of my body. It always felt like they were just lagging behind

Starting point is 01:36:34 and I think a mistake that I made across the years was every time I tried to poke was exactly that. I would just bring up the volume on everything or just wasn't really like paying attention to those body parts. Yeah, no, it's on point. That's a hundred percent on point. Maps aesthetic is written that way.

Starting point is 01:36:51 So I would go Maps aesthetic and your focus sessions are delts and arms. Another small tip, and I've said this many times on the show, so you've probably heard it, is a simple thing too. Because traditionally, when you, all of our programs are written this way and most programs, you start off with like squats or dead lives

Starting point is 01:37:08 or the big movements, but if I had shoulders as a specific muscle, I'm starting to work out with that. So start, so even if you're following like, maps aesthetic and we have squats in there, I'm actually gonna start my workout with my delts. It's my delts, so. Before you bench, you do your shoulders, you know, biceps, before back, which you never do before,

Starting point is 01:37:28 but in your case, I would do it that way. Yeah. It's a side leg just rearranging the order just to bring priority to those body parts. That's right. That's right. That along with the increased volume and frequency and not adding it to all the body parts,

Starting point is 01:37:41 that alone over time you should start to see some faster results out at your weak body parts. Cool. And another question just related to that is I struggle a lot with connecting to my delta. I think that's the reason where they don't grow or at least part of the reason would be that is I just other than my rear delts, I can't feel my front and side delts working. Yeah, go way lighter, way lighter, and work on your form until you feel it. This means you may have to go down to like two pound dumbbells. Even hold up like an isometric pose and really try to squeeze and make that mind muscle

Starting point is 01:38:20 connection sort of happen as the prayer. Yes. This is another reason why I love the Z press. You've heard me say this probably a bunch of times on the show, like the Z press, someone like you, a Z press and a hold and stabilize at the top. Like you'll light your shoulders up. It's such a great, great exercise

Starting point is 01:38:36 to teach someone to work on their connection there. So do the Z press, when you do the Z press, make sure you hold and stabilize at the top every time. It'll help work on that connection. Cool. Sounds good. I'll definitely give that a try. Thank you guys so much. All right, man. Thanks for pulling in, David. Yeah, thank you. You got it.

Starting point is 01:38:52 Yeah, he literally said the biggest mistake that people make when bringing up a weak body part is they add overall volume to the workout. Rather than what you need to do is you need to borrow volume from the body parts that respond really easily and well, and then take that volume and add it to the weaker body parts. So if it's, you know, if it's your,

Starting point is 01:39:12 like for me, it was my legs, my legs just respond, like crazy. So if I wanna bring up a body part that's challenging for me, let's say chest, I'm gonna do less legs, more chest. I'm not gonna just add chest, because now I'm doing just total way more volume. And I'm probably gonna tip the scales in terms of doing too much, in which case nothing happens.

Starting point is 01:39:30 One of the things that we didn't say to him, but I wanna make sure we comment on that. When you're trying to like, like the delts, for example, or arms are like this too, if that becomes like a priority and you start to lead your workouts, what you normally will see, almost always, is now I'll send you big lifts that you used to do first.

Starting point is 01:39:47 They drop down. They drop down. And people get discouraged. They think, oh, oh God, this isn't working. Or I'm getting weaker by doing this now. And then your shoulders before bench. And I'm gonna be lifted. That's right.

Starting point is 01:39:57 So just keep that in mind if you're somebody who's exhausting them. Doing something like that that is completely normal. And again, the focus is you're trying to bring the delts up. So don't worry that your bench just dropped a little bit. It's not like muscle. Well, and also to the focus sessions, like the intensity is really something

Starting point is 01:40:14 that you want to make sure you manage appropriately and make sure that that's in the lower end. Like I guess we kind of compare them to more of like a finisher at the end. So we take a lot of the exercise mainly machines and cables and things like that that aren't quite as damaging to add in to really keep that volume going up and not as much on the intensity. Right.

Starting point is 01:40:35 Our next caller is Joel from Hawaii. Joel, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Well, first off, it's an honor to be here with you guys. We've been fan years for a few years. But I guess I'll give you a little bit of a background for my question. So I've been a full-time personal trainer for about three years.

Starting point is 01:40:54 I started working in a gym. I thought I was doing pretty good there. Then COVID hit, shut the gym down. And I still wanted to say relevant in this craft. So I responded. Two years ago, I responded to a request to work with advanced age senior citizens, basically from the ages of 80 to 100 plus years old. The interview was pretty cool. It said, look, we have no idea what this program

Starting point is 01:41:17 is supposed to look like. All of our folks are deteriorating due to the quarantine and we need your help. Folks who can't walk, who could walk, can't walk anymore. So we need your help. So I started working and I thought I knew what they needed, but it took me a few months to figure out what they really needed and I learned a ton. And now our goals are basically functional fitness, maintaining whatever independence they have

Starting point is 01:41:41 and trying to fight for that quality of life, even at that advanced age. Right now, I have 28 clients with various and diverse limitations. I got folks in walkers, wheelchairs, Parkinson's, the rapidcy of the legs. Some of the folks, most of the folks I can't lay down because it's too much of a workout to get it back up. I teach two boxing classes, two stretch bound to breathe classes, two C to strength classes, and I have multiple small person tribes in about 12-101 sessions. So, a long way to go. Now, here's a preface to the question.

Starting point is 01:42:18 Besides physical therapy, there are minimal options for this age group to get their fitness needs met. We're talking to folks that can't get to the gym. All the personal trainers that I talked to that work with seniors, they're working with folks who can get to the gym. So what resources besides physical therapy are out there for me to strengthen my skillset as the trainer for this population. And the second question is, right now I use a generic senior fitness assessment. Are there other assessment or measurement tools out there to evaluate this advanced age

Starting point is 01:42:55 improvement in fitness? Oh, wow. Great question. Okay. So just to summarize, you want to know where you can learn how to work with this population better and work with them more, correct? I've been doing research so hard and I've done everything I can to the best of my ability, you know, I'm at a point where I can know I can take this program further. Okay, and you said besides physical therapy, so you've already worked with physical therapists who work with this age group and you're learning from them already? Yeah, we've got a great connection because the physical therapists, they kind of feel

Starting point is 01:43:26 proud that they have someone to refer them to so that way they don't get re-ignited to do the same person the same problem a year later. But there's my schedule is full now. I don't know where to send people anymore. Oh, I see. You know, I would look at, so in terms of who to send them to, that's a real tough one. I think finding other trainers like yourself who are interested in working with the population, having someone work under you, that would be a good place to find or work with referrals.

Starting point is 01:43:54 I think in terms of learning, I would go to the medical community and I would go with doctors that specialize in neurobiology. I would work with pain specialists. So doctors who work with pain medication, how to decipher pain, work with pain. And then I would work with some mindfulness individuals. And I like mindfulness because when you're working with someone at that stage, some of the issue is the fact that they've accepted where they're

Starting point is 01:44:27 at. And there's nothing wrong with accepting where you're at, but the sense that moving any further, not the whole saying, you can't teach an old dog, new tricks, moving any further, sometimes can be the challenge. And people will say to you, like, I don't care, I don't want to do that. That's not a big deal or whatever. So working with mindfulness experts or practitioners in my experience brought me some value with working with this particular population. But, and then, you know, here's some fun stuff. You can use, so I'd learn this from a physical therapist

Starting point is 01:44:54 and maybe you've already done this before, but I saw a physical therapist use a balloon as an exercise tool with advanced age. And you might think, well, how the hell do you use a balloon? She would literally stand away from the individual and pop the balloon to them and they'd have to reach to hit the balloon back in different directions and it improved the proprioceptive ability. It sounds so silly, but it made a huge difference.

Starting point is 01:45:16 So stuff like that, I found to be very, very valuable when I was working with people in that age group. Where would you guys recommend is the best resource for him as far as like isometric training as far as either a book or so. Yeah, even, I mean, you could definitely do isometric stuff with this age group. You would just scale it way back, right? Yeah. We do a lot of isometric.

Starting point is 01:45:37 They seem to be very safe exercises for folks with osteoporosis and stuff. Yep. One, I mean, one thing, one of my friends, Ryan Glatt, he just came out with an entire program for like Neural Feedback and like Brain Training. I think that would be a great fit for that community. And it's really just about physically holding positions or just maintaining focus while he has a directed focused with the neural feedback program that he put together.

Starting point is 01:46:10 So it's one of those things that isn't really addressed a lot in the fitness community is like that type of real hyper focus on just maintaining position and being able to cognitively maintain control. So I think between that, I'm trying to think of other programs that are similar, isometric-wise, most of them are in the performance realm. No, Joe, I'm just not to get into the weeds here, but when you look at this population, easy to identify that lack of movement is a big problem.

Starting point is 01:46:46 They got to move more, they got to build some strength, build some muscle, improve mobility and bone health. But there's another factor here, and you're working with their health. There's another factor here that's a big one in this age group that we tend to not pay attention to, which is a high percentage of these people that start to feel lonely.

Starting point is 01:47:02 And some of the results that they get from working with people, it's just the fact that they And some of the results that they get from working with people is just the fact that they're working with people, that they're just talking with people and moving with people. This is why I like mindfulness experts that will love to work with this generation of individuals with this age group, because the benefits are far reaching.

Starting point is 01:47:19 Just meeting with someone, talking with someone, breathing exercises, mindfulness, the benefits for everybody is far reaching. But when you look at this particular age group, it's massive. And you see the studies that show improvements in physical health just from like people visiting some of these senior homes, just people showing up, visiting and hanging out with them for 15 minutes.

Starting point is 01:47:40 You see improvements in blood lipids and markers and mobility just from that. So that can't be overstated as well. So along with me. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. No, I was actually going to ask Sal something related to that then. So in Europe, because you definitely, out of the three of us, I'd say this is more your category, at least than mine, for sure. Do you think there's value in him actually getting some consultation from like a therapist

Starting point is 01:48:04 who would actually even help him with the types of stuff to try and have conversations around or types of questions you should prod them out to bring up good memories or I mean, is there, do you see value in learning some skills like that? Definitely when you're dealing with specific situations, like if you're dealing with dementia and the issues that are challenging with dementia. Or like you just like you lost a partner. Like say you're obviously that this age, a lot of these people either have just lost

Starting point is 01:48:30 or maybe lost a partner conversation. But you can even take it, you can even go way back. Okay, cause this is my personal experience, okay. When I was working with people over 80, the word therapy or counseling, a lot of them were like, no, because that generation, no, I'm saying for him. Yes, he goes through it, he learns some of the were like, no, because that generation. No, I'm saying for him. Yes.

Starting point is 01:48:45 He goes through it. He learns some of the skills that they apply to someone like that. Yes. So you could be like working with them and then kind of prodding. Agreed. Yes. And then for them, things like, you know, I had a client once in this age group and I set her up.

Starting point is 01:49:00 There was this volunteer service that would bring dogs. Yeah. They would bring dogs and puppies to hang out with people in the sales group. And the benefits were tremendous. I would see physical benefits from stuff like that. Just like you see physical detriment. Right.

Starting point is 01:49:13 Sometimes I bring my daughters with me to work out with them and they love you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, stuff like that, right? So broad in your scope, you've got the physical part down, broad in your scope and look into all the things that they deal with at this age,

Starting point is 01:49:27 pain management, mobility, depression, loneliness, just having someone to have a conversation with, mindfulness, this entire category will contribute to their health. That's such a good point, Sal. If you can, at this age, the percentage of strength or whatever you're going to get is going to be so minimal. But if you could increase just their will to live

Starting point is 01:49:50 by 3% right? Everyone comes to my classes, they're excited, man. They're pumped up, they're motivated to fight for their functions. I don't have to motivate them anymore. I used to, when I started to have to throw a balloon at them to get them moving. Yeah, I did and the social aspect I start every class off Challenging them to remember each other's names. Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah, perfect To a war chant beforehand. We like had some energy in the room and we do a war chant together So it brings that teamwork. So I know some of them are just there for the social aspect. Yes teamwork. So I know some of them are just there for the social aspect. Yes.

Starting point is 01:50:24 Now, yeah, are you using like props and aids like in terms of like, so T or X? Cause I know you're focused on the function and the strength of like them maintaining their abilities, like how many of those things are incorporating with chairs and with, you know, folks that they can hold on to. Minimally equipment, not a big budget, but I use a lot of bands. I use chairs, dumbbells, I bought a big balance rail. I use balance sticks, which are big sticks, you know, for isometric exercises. And we just do a lot of postural work.

Starting point is 01:50:58 I'd be honest, I've learned a lot from you guys, especially with the Eldoa, and I'm actually signed up at the end of this in two weeks to go to San Jose to that Eldoa training and I've been using some of the things from your videos for the isometric holds and stuff. Excellent. Good. Yeah, I mean just to highlight what you're saying Joel, like you could take someone who uses a walker and an exercise literally is take your hands off the walker and stand up tall. Let's hold that for five seconds.

Starting point is 01:51:23 And that that presses hard down on the walker. Yeah, or don't even just take your hands off and walker and stand up tall, let's hold that for five seconds. And that, that... Presses hard down on the walker. Yeah, or don't even press, just take your hands off and try and stand up tall and just hold that, or just reach your right arm up above your head, and I would measure their distance, and I would see if we can get a little further each time. I mean, stuff like that, right?

Starting point is 01:51:37 But listen, I cannot stress this enough, Joel. I know for a fact that half of the benefits my clients got was the fact that they got to see someone and be in my studio and have conversations with everybody and have something to do with fortune. And you know what's funny? The most consistent clients I had, the ones that never missed a session were in this age group.

Starting point is 01:51:57 They never missed a session. And it's because they look forward to that interaction. So that can't be overstated. So look in that direction because I think that's where you'll see some value. It sounds to me, Joel, if you're doing a hell of a job. Tell your job. I think you're on the right place,

Starting point is 01:52:11 you're in the right mindset, what you're growing. It's literally just a matter of just more time and more experience, you're probably better at than any of us in here. So it sounds like a great, yeah, this is one of those segments of the fitness industry.

Starting point is 01:52:23 I don't like have like a professional, I can be like, oh, this guy's killing it. So I love that you're diving into that side of fitness. Hey, you know, I just kind of share some of the awesome feedback. So the best feedback I get sometimes is when they forget their walkers at the end of a class. Yes. Oh my God, that happened to me a couple times.

Starting point is 01:52:42 Exactly. Oh, you just brought back some memories. That's great. That's great. Hey, I don't fall down into the toilet seat, hoping it works out. I can now lower myself down with control. No, it's so great.

Starting point is 01:52:55 What's the take for granted? Joe, are you in our private forum? I am not. We own quite a bit of your workouts stuff because we enjoy the programming you guys guys put together me and my wife But I'm not in your prime form. I'm gonna have I'm gonna have Doug put you in there And I love to and I actually since you're on the hunt and in this I

Starting point is 01:53:15 I'd love to hear some of the stuff that you find out on your search because like Justin said I don't have like a go-to place that I think I would refer you to that was going to give you even more information than we just talked about. So if you find anything, I'd love to hear back from you and your and your process. Yeah, it feels like an untapped area unless you're physical therapist. You're not really worth it. All right, man. Well, thanks for calling in, Joel. I appreciate you guys. Thank you, man. I want to say this to all the trainers listening right now because I know this, when you become a trainer,

Starting point is 01:53:46 the last segment of the population you think you wanna work with is this age group. You think you either all wanna work with athletes or I wanna get moms fit or business man, whatever. I'm gonna tell you something right now. By far, this was the most rewarding segment of the population I've ever worked with because there's so many things you take for granted. Like he said, he just brought back some memories.

Starting point is 01:54:07 I had, I remember I had a woman who forgot her cane. She walked out to her car, drove off, drove back, comes back and goes, I can't believe I forgot my cane. And as a trainer, it's like, it's profound and it really does stretch your capabilities. And you see the, the effects of what you do dramatically. So it's not like, oh, we gained 10 pounds of the bar. It's like, I was able to reach up in my cupboard and grab a glass of water. I mean, it just screams opportunity.

Starting point is 01:54:34 You know, like huge to all this. Like, the whole time rack in my brains, I know that like, I'm sure I've met some people that have like done a good job, you know, in that community, but it's just not, nobody's standing out, so there's plenty of room for trainers to come in there and make a big impact. Huge, and again, there were the most consistent clients I had,

Starting point is 01:54:54 they did not, and they were the hardest ones to stop training. They were the ones that were like, what am I gonna do, without, so very rewarding, so I implore any trainers, if you're looking for a segment, check this one out. I was really, I really liked that guy. I think he's, I think he's on the right path. I mean, it sounds like he's doing a lot of a lot of the right things already. And so he's, you could tell that how much joy he gets from it. So it's cool to see a trailer like that.

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